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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122725
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122691

The government made an announcement about the “Crown-Maori partnership”, which now has a minister. For this announcement, they invited some Maori into the cabinet room to symbolize Maori having a seat at the table where the nation’s most important decisions are made.

So who did the government invite into the beehive to represent Maori?
Sitting next to the prime minister was Titewhai Harawira and on the other end of the table was her grandson Wikatana Popata (and some other relatives).

I’m shocked. Harawira is controversial enough, but Popata was convicted of assaulting Prime Minister John Key in 2009. Shame on Jacinda Ardern for associating with this lowlife.

Can you imagine the outcry if a Labour prime minister was assaulted and later a National prime minister knowingly held a photo op with the assailant?

Interestingly, only the NZ Herald mentions Popata’s presence at the meeting. And they removed a photo of him at the meeting from an earlier version of the article.
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September 11, 2018 8:00am
- dave_c_
  
  What I’d like to know, is why I was not represented at the table. Obviously, white New Zealanders are being deliberately racially ignored – arseholes
  I’ve got a few opinions that ought to be considered in terms of “Crown-Maori partnerships”
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:04am
  - igm
    
    This disgusting illegitimate PM is becoming more detestable than either Palmer or Clark.
    She left a white, decent, hard working lady to die in Bali, yet she is reported as saying she felt sorry for not being able to do anything.
    She can give $3 million to paedophiles and thugs on Manus Island, give millions to PIs for bogus superannuation, but would not help a hard working taxpaying ill Kiwi lady dying in hospital.
    She is beyond comprehension!
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:46am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes but those “paedophiles and thugs on Manus Island,” are her future constituents.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:04am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        hopefully her neighbours too.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:32am
- secondcumming
  
  I think we know the real reason Cindi’s doing what she’s doing…..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:10am
  - tf78
    
    You absolutely nailed her! That is all she is interested in.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:07am
  - Harkman
    
    And they wear the same type of clothes.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:07am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The mother cracking eggs is Clare Curran’s doppelganger!
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:14am
      - krazykiwi
        
        The mother cracking the eggs was, in fact, Cyndi Lauper’s mother!
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:18am
- Justitia
  
  Better get used to it. New Zealand is now officially a condominium under the joint administration of those who self identify as “Murri” on the one hand and the “Crown” representing honkeys and other non “indigenous” trash. It all happened on a whim, while you weren’t looking.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:22am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Quoting:
    Titiwhai Harawera?
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:33am
    - Justitia
      
      The concept of a condominium, perhaps it could be called “Aotearoa-New Zealand” , is the reductio ad absurdum of the “partnership” fallacy.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:37am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    But the Crown won’t represent non-Maoris in the sense of vigorously challenging historical evidence or separatist claims, if the ToW tribunal hearings or iwi-local body partnership management bodies being set up are anything to go by.
    
    We already have equal-partnership groups with decision-making powers where half the membership is held by representatives of iwis whose members also have a vote in local bodies. The NZ taxpayer is subsidising claims for coastal control, but not subsidising those who challenge these claims.
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:22am
    - Justitia
      
      I am afraid you’re right. Racial preference is government policy – the coastal claims process (set up by National) is a disgraceful example of this.
      
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      September 11, 2018 12:03pm
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  If PM Ardern invites two known violent people to sit with her at the Cabinet table, how can her government credibly campaign against domestic violence?
  
  Violence is either OK, or it’s Not OK.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:54am
  - tas
    
    Violence is bad enough, but violence against elected representatives is violence against all of us. This is absolutely unacceptable.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:40am
- Dave Mann
  
  The tragic thing, though, is that there is very little possibility of this kind of Maori preferentialism ever being reversed – or even meaningfully reduced – if this government were to be voted out.
  
  Has anyone ever heard anything from the National Party that indicates it would arrest the slide towards racial separatism that is happening in our country? Quite the opposite in fact. Under the Nats the maoris were given billion$ and they were consulted and grovelled up at every opportunity.
  
  Why the fuck do we need a ‘Crown-Maori partnership’ anyway? Has anybody asked that question?
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:17am
  - MickMac
    
    Very Good point Dave.
    
    National are Labour Lite.
    They had 8 yrs to get things done but kicked it all down the road.
    
    Simon doesn’t inspire me to vote for National either..
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:26am
  - Chris R
    
    Dave: The answer to your question is; We Don’t! If maoris wish to have a partnership with the Crown make it with Westminster and see how far they’ll get preferential treatment there…ahead of Britain’s Islamos, Canada’s Indians, Jamaica’s Mullatos etc..
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:39am
  - tas
    
    Why the fuck do we need a ‘Crown-Maori partnership’ anyway?
    
    The “big lie” is that the Treaty of Waitangi created a partnership between the Crown and Maori, and this bullshit is merely complying with legal obligations.
    Read the damn treaty. None of this crap is in there.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:45am
  - Dave Mann
    
    OK here’s a serious question. Obviously KiwiBlog readers and commenters aren’t exactly ‘mainstream’ kiwi voters. For starters they are much probably more interested in politics than the average Joe. This is probably given.
    
    But even of you accept that, isn’t there a huge potential groundswell of support out there for a party which would meaningfully send a message that we should backpedal on Maori separatism, stop pandering to stupid ‘climate change’ bullshit, demand integration from immigrants, halt the advance of Islam in NZ, radically improve our education system and reduce welfare to those who are in genuine need?
    
    What do you think? Uptick if you think the general thrust (not each item specifically) of such a party would attract support in the wider community, or downtick if you think I’m dreaming.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:09am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Please let’s see your opinions on this, guys. I’m not just looking for a flood of upticks … I’m genuinely interested in whether or not you think there is an opening out there for such a party, or am I totally off the planet in this?
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:25am
      - wiseowl
        
        Your’e not off the planet Dave.
        There is a great opening for party now because there are more and more people who have no one to vote for and see no leadership amongst our current politicians.
        The issues you mentioned above are a good start and there are plenty more.
        Kiwis should be marching in the streets right now over the separatism alone but they are too busy getting on with life and with MMP they don’t see any options to get rid of the career politicians we are infested with.
        It is actually dam serious and when you have Palmer and HC yapping from the sidelines it is scary as hell.
        We need a new party , definitely.
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:39am
    - tas
      
      I think that people mostly just want a competent government that can manage the economy and generally won’t cause problems. This is why both main parties gravitate towards boring middle-of-the-road policy platforms. Voters don’t like radical change.
      
      So I think you will find that these policies get a lot of support, but this isn’t necessarily going to translate into lots of votes if the political messengers are seen as loose cannons.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:36am
- Chris R
  
  tas: Yes you are absolutely right. I do not believe that this is an instance of keeping your friends close and your enemies even closer. All this does is reveal what a bunch of gauche losers the CoL actually is. The irony of having a convicted thug in the Cabinet Room will undoubtedly be lost on Taxinda & Co. The greater irony is that the vile Harawira tart cannot speak Maori other than a number of hideous anti-White curses so this can’t be a celebration of the pointless “Te Reo” week either. I doubt I have been so embarrassed about being a NZ’er since Lange’s anti-nuclear ship nonsense.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:37am
- septic skeptic
  
  Maybe Cindy put Titiwhai there in recognition of her having reduced Helen to tears. Utu for some of Helen’s recent media comments.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:53am
  - tas
    
    Clark and Harawira supposedly buried the hatchet.
    
    But it’s still astounding that they chose this odious woman and her ilk as representatives of Maori.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9218744/Harawira-nephews-jailed-for-drunken-assault
    
    If I were Maori, I would be ashamed to have these thugs supposedly representing me.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:13am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes Septic it occurred to me this was some mad two-fingered gesture of defiance to both Peters, who pissed on Comrade Cindy’s refugee parade last week, and HC who has been publicly second guessing her. I had always had qualms about Cindy’s judgement but now one has to be concerned about her mental stability as well perhaps?
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:52am
- KevOB
  
  So the Harawira’s have won the far North. Who is Cindy to annoint the tribal leaders?
  Nga Phui would have eaten Ngai Tahu if the musket wars were not stopped by the intervention of the treaty.
  
  Cindy has better be careful 170 years is a short time in oral history societies. Utu is still longed for and this playing up to Maori is fostering old memories and longings. It could get out of hand. By favouring any tribe she is offending others and they will want placating.
  
  Cindy should be removed forthwith.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:41am
- Northland Wahine
  
  I’m hardly surprised that Nga Puhi have aligned themselves with this. However I am surprised who is sitting at the table.
  
  What a fucking joke.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:15am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Chris Finlayson has put down a question to Kelvin Davis for Oral Answer today. One of the sharpest intellects in Parliament will be up against the dullest and driving a wedge between Labour and NZ First.
  
  ***Grabs popcorn***
  
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  September 11, 2018 12:18pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And no Trevor.
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:53pm
AgainstTheFlow

Titewhai Harawira sitting at the Cabinet table.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122691

A violent and hateful person gets to sit at the Cabinet table – the first non-Minister to ever do so – alongside the Prime Minister who looks attentively upon her.

And the whole virtue-signalling policy is handed over to Kelvin Davis.

What could go wrong?
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September 11, 2018 8:00am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  I missed this bit in the Titewhai at the Cabinet table article:
  “The media arrived for an announcement on the Crown-Māori relationship.
  
  But the announcement appeared to have been delayed because the only announcement Ardern made was that the Cabinet had decided that the group present would be the final submitters before the Cabinet made final decisions.”
  
  I don’t know what scares me more – the PM’s incompetence or the influence of Titewhae Harawira.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:06am
  - dave_c_
    
    and her ilk.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:11am
    - pdm
      
      Celebrating Arderns new National holiday – Hug a Thug day.
      
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      September 11, 2018 8:18am
      - Tarquin North
        
        They asked the Kahui family to join in but they were too busy looking after the whanau.
        
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        September 11, 2018 8:34am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    https://scontent.fakl6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12036756_1663454767243608_1621749518664993389_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=61c11e8a1ec66eb95b177b8793ef1c42&oe=5C2576F6
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:30am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right AgainstTheFlow even apart from the silly little girl denigrating the chamber with activists whose constant agitation has resulted in so much wastage of public funding. Redirected to the critical areas of the system where these as well as everybody else would benefit most only sees the waste compounded as all those special programs fail. They have managed to redefine the term “help yourself first” buy the elite being there first to only help themselves to what they can grab resulting in the targeted group STILL missing out. Thus the constant cries of not doing enough for the Muddy people when it is largely their own tribal power structures fat hands too heavy to reach beyond pocket or mouth.
    However the two most frightening things about this disgusting show of impropriety is A) the old crow saying “we now have OUR OWN Minister and B) the said Minister is no other than Davis. Again we only see $$$$ signs as yet another burden layer is added into the mix likely to push the wastage level closer to the $1 billion mark. Yes it is never a surprise that yet another Murry language week sees an even bigger push this time for finally getting made compulsory. Knowing those obvious Fool Factors (unintended consequences) again being ignored completely by a Government more intent on keeping them in the tent just for their political survival.
    Lets just rewind a little to take stock of just who it is that is pushing the saving of this dying language. Apart this from all the white virtual signalling public servants and fools who follow the piper but is again the same elite group who crowd out all the bros. How many of the LCD will ever become fluent in their own or any other language for that matter. Then when we cross the growing racial divide it is only the sort of better schools who’s higher capable students have the capacity for two languages. Meanwhile the under performers will continue to do what the best and only swell the wrong statistics with numbers on their shirts and more headstones/unmarked plots.
    If anybody was confused about why after being reassured it was not necessary why this Government NEEDS more taxes just watch the bobbing head of the silly little girl. We are hastened to ask though if this move was so important why it was not the subject of one of their special expert panels or advise groups? They left it up to Davis? That’ll work well. Yeah right.
    
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    September 11, 2018 2:44pm
- Harkman
  
  Just remember Winston, the guy meant to be opposed to separatism, allowed all of this to happen.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:10am
  - MickMac
    
    Yep, I think that every time I read about Jacinda Adherns incompetence……
    
    Not voted Prime Minister.
    Put there by Winston.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:28am
kowtow

Hey , honkey ! How do you feel being so patronised by our taxpayer funded media during this Racial Language Agenda Week?
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September 11, 2018 8:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  TV1 weatherman’s maori introduction to the daily weather last night was a complete debacle. He stumbled through, looked embarrassed, had another go. Just no. It wasn’t good.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:09am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Doesn’t help that Dan is a POM educated in the US. Shame, the guy is actually a good meteorologist.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:13am
    - dave_c_
      
      Indeed – such enthusiasm is hard to fake – he’s genuinely into his trade ! But he had a massive fail, insomuch that he did not push back, and refuse to toe the line of ‘maorification’. Perhaps he knows where his bread is buttered – Just another lacky to the cause.
      
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      September 11, 2018 8:28am
      - Harkman
        
        It was priceless, the only part of Maori week I’ve enjoyed. And he kept on going. What a mess ?
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:13am
  - MCos
    
    1/100 for effort
    (I wish Mister Dan would drop ‘of course’ from his spiel)
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:15am
  - artemisia
    
    Actually, it was pretty good for plenty of New Zealanders who not only felt for him but also agreed with him.
    
    A ‘decent day’ for him after all?
    
    PS I like his weather reporting….
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:36am
    - igm
      
      He is one of the best producers since Jim Hickey, and should not be maligned for mispronunciation of a failed, and ridiculous language.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:16am
      - waikatogirl
        
        I wasn’t attempting to malign the man. I was criticising TVNZ for pushing maori language onto a POM, a very good weatherman, who clearly struggled learning a language he doesn’t understand. 99.9% of the viewers don’t give a damn about hearing a bunch of words they don’t understand and don’t care to understand. The weather report is what they are after.
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:51am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I was over it by lunchtime yesterday.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:20am
Inandout

Garner, and especially Mark, has gone Maori troppo on their show. Looks like the stone age language will be on the show permanently, so I have heaps of recorded programmes to play for the short time while I eat breakfast.
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September 11, 2018 8:05am
- dave_c_
  
  You’d better get out your stone age tablets, and learn to speak this archaic language poste haste. It won’t be long before we are being instructed to conduct our affairs solely in maori.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:08am
  - Inandout
    
    davec, solely Maori until you get into the area of law and how to interpret legal clauses. Pure minefield for lawyers, especially when the taniwha and spirits are involved.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:18am
    - dave_c_
      
      Indeed – everything about this government and Maori affairs is ‘fluid’.
      
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      September 11, 2018 8:31am
      - Jack5
        
        There’s still Radio NZ’s Concert Programme …
        
        Unless, unless, the Concert Programme is going to brooadcast kapa haka for breakfast: Harawira’s Haka No. 17 in C Minor.
        
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        September 11, 2018 12:31pm
  - igm
    
    I once had a staff member who started answering the outside line with this kee orra crap. Gave her an ultimatum, either “Hello”, “Good Morning”, don’t answer the phone, or resign!
    She resigned, saved me a heap in redundancy, and the rest of the staff were happy.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:19am
  - KevOB
    
    It will all be over in a few years. No govt can force a change from English to a pidgin maori.
    
    Elsewhere in the Pacific the compromise has been to use both the local language and English. To adapt the local language was impossible or pointless as they would have had to borrow so much English as would swamp their natural language.
    NZ does not have the homogenous population of other Pacific countries so 85% of the people don’t have language problems in a modern technical society. Their language is already adequate.
    
    It’s the short sighted activists that are the problem.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:52am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Stop watching it.
  Hits the ratings. Only thing they’ll take notice of.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:12am
  - Inandout
    
    Ratings hit follows.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:18am
- Harkman
  
  Just watch Fox or CNBC or moan on here (like me ?)
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:15am
secondcumming

For some reason probably best known to herself, my missus has been googling…. ‘Women who changed the World”. (LOL!!)

Although when she showed me this one, I couldn’t help myself 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmWLcJJXcAA31An.jpg
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September 11, 2018 8:05am
Steve James

Abby Hartley has died. Condolences to her friends and family.
I can’t help but think this government would have helped her had she been less European looking.
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September 11, 2018 8:06am
holysheet

Two blokes chatting in hospital first one says “I’m in for an endoscopy, they are going to see whats going on down my throat , “what you in for “.
Second guy says ” oh camera up the arse “.
The other guy says ” colonoscopy its called “.
The other guy replies “nah mate camera up the arse, the wife caught me taking pictures of the neighbour’s tits “
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September 11, 2018 8:08am
slightlyrighty

Ardern, having been thrust into the leadership as she was, and adulated by the MSM at the time, was not placed under the scrutiny of previous holders of the office of Leader of the Opposition.

She has become the Photo Op leader, never tested in Parliament to any great level, never having been a Cabinet Minister, never winning an electorate seat until being gifted Mt Albert after losing in Auckland Central 3 times.

She is proving to be so far out of her depth, and lacks the introspection necessary to grow in the job, as evidenced by her assertion that she handled the Curran issue well.
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September 11, 2018 8:09am
kowtow

Ardern’s gubmint happy to bask in the glow of returning deceased servicemen’s remains but also comfortable to allow New Zealanders to die abroad.

Whatever about the merits of insurance etc there’s a bit of an irony in what they spend our money on , including bringing unwanted fakeugees in while NZers languish abroad.
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September 11, 2018 8:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Question:
  What are our embassies, in these countries, for?
  We are opening an embassy in Sweden, to allow more Kiwi’s to die in another country?
  What’s MFAT for, if not to represent NZers abroad?
  Heard that cindy’s flight of fancy to Nauru, returned EMPTY.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cindy stated this morning that she still intends on bringing fakerefugees from Ngaru. Will the new Australian PM allow her to get her way?! Her reference to visiting the UN while making the statement speaks volumes.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “Will the new Australian PM allow her to get her way”
      He can’t stop her.
      BUT
      What he can do, what they did when the Clarkenfuerrer, changed the law.
      They can change their law and make it harder for Kiwi’s to go to Australia (visas perhaps).
      Another nail in the coffin of CER, by another self centred and inept Labour PM.
      Funny how it was the PM (Muldoon) that they loved to hate that started CER, that benefited us for decades and a couple of inept Labour PM’s that are undermining it.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:03am
      - Jack5
        
        The irony is that if Australia shuts the back door from NZ, the border crashers won’t want to come to New Zealand. Australia is their goal.
        
        The camouflage is coming off Jacinderella. She’s still the international socialist leader and social justice warrior.
        
        Her wings are about to be severely clipped. The kiwi dollar is falling and if there’s a spike in world oil prices we are in for a rough time in NZ. It’s hard to think of goods that aren’t affected by fuel costs.
        
        Kiwis will then put Jacinderella back in the toy box.
        
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        September 11, 2018 12:38pm
    - tf78
      
      I don’t think the UN would employ her as she has no diplomatic skills whatsoever.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:31am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        I don’t think the UN would employ her as she has no ………… skills whatsoever.
        Fixed it.
        Wouldn’t let her clean the lobby.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:36am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        No skills? Fit right in.
        
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        September 11, 2018 1:54pm
    - KevOB
      
      Cindy has no right even as NZ PM to step onto Nauru soil without complying withe the law of Nauru. Ten thousand people gives them the right to say she is not one of them.
      
      The Republic of Nauru is well known for its stroppy Heads of State.
      
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      September 11, 2018 11:01am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Be way cheaper to just offer each of these proposed queue jumpers $100k to fuck back off to whence they came. That would make them rich at home and be vastly cheaper than bringing them to NZ. What’s the bet most would jump at chance?
      
      Would also demonstrate that it was primarily an economic issue. Which would be a great lesson for the left.
      
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      September 11, 2018 11:17am
      - KevOB
        
        Those “queue jumpers” are under Australia’s control. They landed their illegally and are being held on Nauru by arrangement. That makes their attempts to enter Australia unrewarded which is what the Aussies want would be followers on to know.
        They have reasonable freedom on Nauru–better than an Aussie prison compound.
        
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        September 11, 2018 11:58am
    - Piniwi
      
      But waikatogirlt it sounding like that old song “Anything you can do, I can do better” type message being sent via the airwaves to the old drunk. Emboldened by the stern phone call her PR team claim she made. Will this signal Round 2?
      
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      September 11, 2018 2:56pm
    - igm
      
      If the Crockery-faced maggot brings those bastards here she will get the biggest rebuff ever seen by a NZ politician.
      Not one person I have spoken to wants these evil violent paedophiles here . . . in fact, no one in their right mind wants the Islam-aligned scum anywhere, other than left-wing UN greasing leeches.
      
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      September 11, 2018 5:26pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Ardern’s gubmint happy to bask in the glow of representing criminals in Australia but comfortable to allow New Zealander tourists to die abroad.
  
  Whatever about the merits of insurance etc there’s a bit of an irony in what they spend our money on , including bringing unwanted fakeugees in while NZers languish abroad.
  There : another angle
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:06am
hullkiwi

Business confidence is sinking. So, we get a govt using the select committee process that still refuses to listen to business.

Cindy may think she is the boss of the most employees collectively, but a simple truth for SLG, the private sector employ more people than the state sector does. Then there are her other porkies….just because the Key govt took until 2011 & 2015 to get rid of Helen’s provision in employment law, it doesn’t mean they were always on the statute books.
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September 11, 2018 8:09am
- cmm
  
  There’s water sloshing about in the bottom of the Good Ship NZ.
  
  Captain’s Call: Drill some holes in the bottom to let the water out. #MustIThinkOfEverything
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    What, is that so Clare Curran’s leaking can leak away too….?
    
    You’re right ordinarily this lot would sink without a trace, but when you add in the toxic gnome and the Red Melons, we are summarily scre***!
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:27am
    - GazzaW
      
      Buried in the depths of the Business section of the Herald yesterday. The latest BNZ survey has expected GDP growth for this quarter dropping from 0.8% to 0.6%. No doubt Amy Adams will ask the question of Robbo today at QT and no doubt Robbo will reject the premise of the question.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:17am
Sofia

Waitangi Tribunal finds Crown breached treaty obligations, caused harm to Te Rohe Pōtae

The tribunal’s 1506-page report gives particular focus to negotiations between Crown officials and leaders of Te Rohe Pōtae in the 1880s.

“The report found the cumulative impact of the Crown’s treaty breaches in the district has been breakdowns in social and political relationships, land loss, and enormous social, economic and cultural prejudice, the impacts of which continue to this day,” the tribunal said.

The tribunal recommends the Crown puts in place legislation to recognise the rights of autonomy and self-determination of Te Rohe Pōtae Māori.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106975334/waitangi-tribunal-finds-crown-breached-treaty-obligations-caused-harm-to-te-rohe-ptae

autonomy – the right or condition of self-government
self-determination – the process by which a country determines its own statehood and forms its own government

Have rights of “autonomy” and “self-determination” actually been recognised in any Waitangi settlement yet?
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September 11, 2018 8:10am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The tribunal obvious doesn’t believe in the nation of New Zealand if it desires that the country be broken up into smaller identity-driven fiefdoms.
  
  Balkanization, anyone? (There’s an “n” and a “z” in there somewhere…)
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:37am
- waikatogirl
  
  Promotion of funding for maori business announced those business’ are now valued at $400m, would suggest it is time maori stood on their own and stopped syphoning taxpayers funds onto the gravy train.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:53am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Now valued at $400m, but after how many billions invested?
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:24am
    - dave_c_
      
      And where are those billions now ? Just saying.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:04am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Whose businesses are they counting?
      Ngai Tahu has a business portfolio worth over a $1billion alone.
      
      That $400m number smacks of the Massey Maori accounting course a friend had to do in the first semester for her BCom.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:42am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Can I have some?What do ya mean,” I’m not Maori”?
    Isn’t that racist?
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:02am
- KevOB
  
  Is it wise when a Maori have a high incidence of the violence gene to encourage tribalism?
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:26am
flipper

Nice humanitarian pix of Banksie and Bright on Whale Oil this morning.
I love the way they stick it right up the white ants, McCreadie and KDC..
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September 11, 2018 8:11am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Banks once again shows that he is a thoroughly decent human being by visiting Penny in her last days.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:22am
  - stephen2d
    
    I wish he could do the same with his son.
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:11am
    - calendar girl
      
      Nastiest, gratuitous, off-topic comment of the day.
      
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      September 11, 2018 11:51am
      - stephen2d
        
        Why?
        
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        September 11, 2018 12:23pm
cmm

Herald has obviously been commanded to unleash the squirrel bombs.

Here’s another alpine fault “we’z all gonna die” article which they seem to keep locked & loaded, ready to fire:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122653
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September 11, 2018 8:12am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Yes
  A story about a corrupt govt. that didn’t act, resulting in a woman’s death. ie something they could have done something about.
  Replaced by:
  A story about, something we can do NOTHING about.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:46am
EAD_TWO

I’m not sure if anyone is following the “controversy” in the UK after Rabbi Menahem Lester broke ranks last week and said: “he feels Islam has no place in Europe and certainly not in Britain.”

The furore and swiftness of the denunciation of the good Rabbi by organised Jewry in this seemingly innocuous, factually correct and obvious statement is extremely telling & revealing:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/rabbi-slammed-for-islam-has-no-place-in-europe-comments-1.469230

Edie Friedman, executive director of the Jewish Council for Racial Equality said Rabbi Lester’s comments were “so outrageous I didn’t even think it came from a real person”

Geoffrey Harris, chairman of the South London Synagogue said Rabbi Lester’s “views did not represent the shul.”

Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, Reform Judaism’s senior rabbi said: “As a British rabbi I reject the letter and the statement that Islam has no place in Europe.

I strongly believe in our shared destiny as Jews and Muslims.” (read that again)

Rabbi David Mason, of Muswell Hill Synagogue, also condemned the comments.

“As a Rabbinic leader I have taken great comfort in developing solid relationships between my local community and local Muslim communities.”

It’s very interesting what ones read when they venture outside the Western MSM…..
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September 11, 2018 8:15am
- mandk
  
  Shanah tovah (שנה טובה), EAD_TWO
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:24am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ mandk
    
    What’s your view of the remarks of Rabbi Laura Janner-Klauser or are you just going to go all Talmud on me ? (you should tell the Kiwibloggers about Sanhedrin 59a)
    
    FWIW – her father was Greville Janner (one of the world’s most prominent Jews) and a serial rapist of British children, a lifelong criminal who never saw justice thanks to mysterious and, as yet, unexplained failures within the “justice system”.
    
    Janner also wrote a book about Muslim-Jewish collaboration called “One hand cannot clap”.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:32am
    - mandk
      
      I’m not going to go all Talmud on you.
      
      I just don’t understand your obvious seething hatred of Jews.
      
      You should see a shrink about it. It’s not healthy.
      
      Shalom.
      
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      September 11, 2018 8:52am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Why does the truth = hatred?
        
        What part of my article above is false?
        
        What don’t you want the Goyim to know?
        
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        September 11, 2018 8:53am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, Jews also have no place in Europe?
  
  And anywhere?
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:55am
oldpark

Was just wondering about the very ill NZ who was lying in a coma in Bali at the same time as the Peters selected PM Ardern made her must do dash to Nauru to attend a banquet and talk foreign refugees .
Yet here we had a real NZ born citizen in a desperate health situation in Bali.Maybe would it have crossed her mind to instead of spending tens of thousands on a trip to Nauru maybe flying the real NZs home in the early stage of her illness .Not to be, not important enough. Not enough votes in that.
Sadly the real NZs passed away in Bali at the weekend thousands of kilometres from home.
Between Peters and Ardern refusing to help out the desperate NZ family in Bali in their hour of need is a bloody indictment on how they operate. Maybe as a token they could at least offer to fly the body home back to NZ. Shame on you Ardern and Peters,for earlier refusing to help out the NZ family.Not a good look and a stain on the good name of NZ.
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September 11, 2018 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  But very little comment about Simon Bridges arranging via friends to pay the total Medivax costs.
  Give a Little (less 5% fee) have done well to pay her Bali costs too.
  Not a squeak from our wonderful Government yet they can fork out Millions to uninsured Christchurch people.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Barely a mention on the AM show (TV3) this morning either.
    All soft peddling and excuse making for Jacinda. While asking whether it is PC for Bridges to even mention it in parliament.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:50am
- Biscuit
  
  oldpark, what odds that Ardern, wearing her face of concern, will be seen at some stage grieving with the family concerned?
  
  Photo ops is about all she seems capable of…
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Wearing her concerned face…BUT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUuH4TEmgLo
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:53am
  - ex-golfer
    
    I don’t think the Hartley family will allow Ardern anywhere near them.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:54am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Well I wouldn’t
      But
      Maybe they are more forgiving human being than me.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:10am
  - RF
    
    She will be at the airport when they fly the body back.
    
    Dressed in black with a concerned face.
    
    Makes you sick…..
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:02am
- MCos
  
  She wasn’t NZ born.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:54am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Neither is my wife, all the first generation immigrants or refugees the talk so eloquently about.
    Should we leave them to die.
    This should be Ardern’s “Benghazi” moment.
    When Obama/Clinton left their people to die.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:12am
  - Duxton
    
    Mcos: Neither are the Manus rapists.
    
    Your point?
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:13am
    - MCos
      
      Oldpark says she was.
      Personally I don’t care where she was born, but might as well get the facts right.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:42am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Many recipients of govt support are not NZ born (probably more than 50% of the welfare state for start). What point are you trying to make?
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:36am
  - stephen2d
    
    So fucking what if she wasn’t NZ born? She is a citizen.
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:14am
- OTGO
  
  Compare this with what Trump did getting 3 hostages out of North Korea. He was too late with Otto Warmbier but he at least got the body home and showed compassion for Otto’s parents.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:34am
waikatogirl

Alan Peart, the last of the WWII flying aces is to be buried in Hamilton today.
Thank you for your service.
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September 11, 2018 8:33am
- kevn
  
  @WG…. Go see the film ‘Spitfire’. It is great.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:41am
Right of way is Way of Right

I have a friend who used to be a US Marine.

On the morning of 11 Sept 2001, she was promoted to Lance Corporal in a ceremony at her place of work. She worked in Arlington County, Marine Corps HQ, Washington DC. Across the road from the Pentagon.

The ceremony was interrupted by the roar of jet engines, and they glimpsed the silver streak of American Airlines 77 flash by them, and then the impact, the explosion, the fireball. The building they were in shook as though it was an earthquake.

As is the manner of those in the military, she ran TOWARDS the fire, and with her Marine comrades, helping the wounded, performing basic triage, evacuating the more seriously wounded. She didn’t sleep for three days.

On the second day, she joined the search and rescue teams that scoured the rubble looking for ‘non-survivors’.

It was during one of those searches that a concrete barrier shifted and crushed her left ankle. At first it seemed the damage wasn’t that bad, but it was worse than she could ever have imagined. That ankle would never heal properly. It became a source of constant pain and suffering, leading to intense physical and mental anguish. She developed PTSD from what she had seen in the Pentagon, and always the pain from her ankle made it worse.

After 5 surgeries, with no improvement, in 2014, She made the decision to amputate.

Since her surgery, she has gone from strength to strength. As a para-athlete, she competes against, and beats, two legged athletes. She has heart and soul in abundance.

She’s one of the toughest women I’ve ever met. I’m proud to call her my friend.

I won’t name her here, but I’m thinking of her today. Her and thousands of others.
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September 11, 2018 8:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The very definition of:
  INSPIRATIONAL!
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:55am
Duxton

Abby Hartley has died in Bali.

Regardless of the arguments around whether the Govt should step in and help in cases like this, it doesn’t look good when that same Govt donated $3m to support the Manus rapists.

Simon now has a big stick to wave.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122852
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September 11, 2018 8:38am
- MrLovebucket
  
  It’s a sad story and I hope for the family it doesn’t get turned into a political football by National. They need to be above that sort of thing. There will be plenty of other opportunities to stick the boot into the Government.
  
  In some ways, it will niggle Cindy more if the opposition does leave it.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:45am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I’m not going to “down tick” you.
    But my opinion is different.
    As difficult as this is, a light needs to be shone on this FAKE concern, self centred little asshole, that someone labeled a Prime Minister.
    She is not “Prime” (top quality)
    and is not doing her job as a “Minister”
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:25am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      I think some media will pick up and play this line. It will be out there and light will be shone. It just doesn’t have to be by National.
      
      People are seeing the CoL are a bunch of amateur student politicians, while National need to show they are ready to govern.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:52am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Simon Bridges and National are having enough trouble getting traction in the media.
        Here is the diametrically opposed story.
        Ardern with the power and ability to act, did nothing
        Bridges who has very little power/no govt. power, acted to the benefit of the situation.
        The maximum difference between the two.
        Bridge’s found a way, Ardern refused to
        Bridges looked like a PM and she….well…didn’t.
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:08am
      - MrLovebucket
        
        Oh, I agree Bridges has been excellent throughout. I just hope he keeps the moral high ground.
        
        (I accidentally clicked report rather than reply do your message)
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:44am
- ex-golfer
  
  I don’t think National would be wise to raise this in Parliament or make anything of it.
  There will be plenty of examples of previous Governments (of both sides) refusing to help NZ residents/citizens when they are in trouble overseas.
  National should leave it to David Seymour (who has already come out swinging).
  And people should be reminded about all of those uninsured (not under-insured) Christchurch residents getting payouts.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:57am
  - Duxton
    
    And that fact that 150 rapists on Manus were given $3m of taxpayers’ money.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:16am
  - KevinH
    
    Today a family is grieving for the loss of a loved one. The Hartley family requested help from the government, and they said no.
    In the court of public opinion, this was a decision that will be remembered for years to come.
    It will be remembered as a failure to act, a shameful decision, a lack of compassion and humanity.
    This family matter was a test for this coalition government, a test to prove that they have what it takes, to not give up or abandon fellow New Zealanders in their time of need, and they failed.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:47am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      To bring up another angle:
      They are willing to go into a mine
      risking further lives attempting to recover the dead
      at MUCH higher risk and expense.
      
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      September 11, 2018 5:57pm
- Komata
  
  Duxton
  
  Re: ‘Simon now has a big stick to wave’.
  
  Dollar to a Donut, he won’t!!
  
  Another opportunity handed to him on a plate but what will he do with it?
  
  Based on his past performances, absolutely nothing!!
  
  Surely he needs to be replaced!!
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:20am
secondcumming

People who can ‘fuk-off’ today…….

Black Rod
Sonny Bill
Tax Working Groups
Pakeha’s talking Te Reo
Botanists
Kirstie Allsop

More as they happen……
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September 11, 2018 8:42am
- sooty
  
  What’s kirstie done to you?
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:56am
  - Harkman
    
    Yeah Kirsty ain’t no lefty.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:21am
waikatogirl

Cindy will be hoping for royal fervour and the associated good news rubbing off on the government when the popular Duke and Duchess of Sussex visit NZ in October. The recently married couple, Harry and Meghan will visit for four days and will travel to Auckland, Rotorua, Wellington and the Abel Tasman National Park. Harry and Meghan are also visiting Australia, Fiji and Tonga.
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September 11, 2018 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Stephen Chadwick is ‘excited’ the Royal couple will be immersed in Maoridom when she visits Rotorua.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:52am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    They can get immersed in local mud.
    
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    September 11, 2018 5:02pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Wouldn’t it be absolutely super if Meghan announces that she is pregnant during her trip to NZ?
  Think of the photo ops: dinky baby gifts, chats about child birth and donations of baby clothes.
  Whole edition of the Woman’s Weekly with the Duchess and the Prime Minister on the front page- and Neve, of course.
  Stuff/Puna that dreams are made of world wide.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:17am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Isn’t Ardern a republican? Genuine question.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:18am
  - backster
    
    No a Marxist.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:40am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Which is worse.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:10am
lifesgood

A few KBers have had it in for Simon Bridges wishing he would come out all guns blazing against the govt. They have underestimated him. He is playing the long game. He was not a successful crown prosecuted for nothing. He has sat back and allowed the COL to self immolate which they are doing very successfully. Meanwhile he cannot be accused of anything. Also it is obvious Curran leaked his expenses on her secret Gmail account and the public know it.
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September 11, 2018 8:46am
- PhilP
  
  Here here, lifesgood, I couldn’t agree with you more.
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Damn confusing those hear, here, hair, hare words
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:01am
- artemisia
  
  Also agree. Not only a long game but I am sure there is a Plan B as well, in case the coalition wheels continue to fall off.
  
  The ‘long game’ approach gives the Opposition a whole lot of flexibility. The ‘now game’ will lead to painting into corners.
  
  The Opposition is large, experienced and very clued up. Unlike some others we might mention.
  
  Have a little faith!
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:54am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” – Napoleon Bonaparte
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    As the Russians discovered 1812!
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:59am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Have the government expenses been released yet? Or are they waiting for something major to happen so they can release in hiding?
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:59am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Expenses to be released next week. I too wondered about the delay.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:02am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Weren’t they released last week?
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/highest-spending-government-minister-revealed-expenses-released
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:12am
    - waikatogirl
      
      ? Oops!
      Time for me to go water the garden then…
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:25am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Maybe it’s on Curren’s private email?
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “The Minister responsible for Ministerial Services Chris Hipkins said he was frustrated at the delay and he expected better.”
    Blaming the public servants again? Typical labour.
    It’s spelt RESPONSIBILITY…..Chris…take some.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:43am
    - Paulus
      
      Hipkins is on Maternity leave for six weeks so leave him alone.
      
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      September 11, 2018 2:16pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Gee, mail from Clare.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:28am
- OTGO
  
  “Never attempt to murder a man who is committing suicide.” – Woodrow Wilson
  Or in this case woman.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:51am
VicParking

Plunket is being reorganised in Auckland as a template for all of NZ. No more home visits for those who have the resouces to travel (i.e own a new car, live in Remuera or don’t have a community services card). These people will have to travel 40 minutes and will get a 10 minute once over before being sent home. “families in affluent areas would be deemed “low needs”.”
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4852254/Plunket-Nurse-Changes-Appendix-B-Sept-2018.pdf
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September 11, 2018 8:54am
Ross12

Interesting comments from a official observer for the Swedish elections

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/09/10/sweden-election-osce-shock-undemocratic/
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September 11, 2018 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Ross12, why should we take Breitbart seriously?
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:01am
  - Inandout
    
    Why should we take you seriously; mind you we don’t.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:03am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      @ Stephieboy,
      
      your pal Barbara Lerner Spectre (founding director of Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden) will be happy with the Swedish results?
      
      I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural.
      
      And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make.
      
      They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:18am
  - Ross12
    
    Here is the article they are quoting from sb. I presume you can read Danish.
    https://www.b.dk/globalt/venstre-ordfoerer-svensk-stemmesystem-langt-fra-europaeisk-standard
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:09am
- Inandout
  
  Bye bye Sweden. They don’t seem to have the guts that Norway has, and even the Volvo has more strength than its makers.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Volvo now Chinese owned ?
    
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    September 11, 2018 2:17pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, it has been for a decade now. Just like Jaguar is owned by Indians.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This caught my eye from that article:
  Even though 60 percent voted against the current government,” Jensen said, Sweden would likely end up with the “unimaginable situation” in which it continues to govern, thanks to parties’ refusal to work with the Sweden Democrats.
  
  “From a point of view of democracy this seems very wrong to me, as it basically amounts to [politicians in the other parties] telling the many Swedes who voted for the Swedish Democrats that they are not important,”
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:06am
  - MCos
    
    If you look back through the NZ election results we haven’t had a government in a very long time that the PM has come from a party with 50% of the vote.
    Prior to MMP it was around 40%.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:55am
    - alwyn
      
      I think you could word that as
      we haven’t had a government in a very, very, very, very, very long time that the PM has come from a party with 50% of the vote.
      1951 to be exact. I wonder how many people reading this blog were even alive then?
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:38am
      - MCos
        
        Most of us.
        The rest were dormant.
        
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        September 11, 2018 11:22am
- Jim
  
  Slightly more balanced appraisal here: Brisbane_paper_on_secret_voting_26062018.pdf. Worth a read for anyone genuinely interested in how it works in practice in Sweden.
  
  It’s a peculiar process for sure (especially if you are an outside observer), but not as bad as Breitbart would like you to believe.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Proportional voting systems aren’t as logical and fair as they are portrayed….
    
    Sweden’s electoral system is proportional, and similar to New Zealand’s except that the threshold for party participation is 4 per cent rather than 5 per cent.
    
    There are eight parties in the one-chamber Riksdag, the Swedish Parliament.
    
    The Riksdag has 310 electorate seats and there are 39 “adjustment seats”, which I guess are the equivalent of our list MPs.
    
    We and the Swedes would be better off with FPP.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 ,FFP ? Not a realistic or serious option. What about Israel with almost a 0 % threshold?
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:06am
kowtow

Not enough real crime to deal with ?

It’s all about feelz.

‘A police force has urged people to report insults which make them feel bad even if they are not crimes.

Under the slogan ‘Hate Hurts’, South Yorkshire Police have called upon members of the public to report incidents they know not to be criminal in order to build up a wider picture of actions which cause distress to people within the community.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/10/police-urge-public-report-insults-hurt-feelings-arent-crimes/
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September 11, 2018 9:01am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Under the slogan ‘Hate Hurts’, South Yorkshire Police have called upon members of the public to report incidents they know not to be criminal in order to build up a wider picture of actions which cause distress to people within the community.’”
  
  So it’s okay to report to the police faceless women clothed from head to toe in black, as this causes English natives to fee a profound sense of distress?
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:55am
waikatogirl

Sir Geoffrey Palmer is calling for sick and disabled to be covered by ACC.
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September 11, 2018 9:03am
- Gravelroad
  
  No.
  Don’t we already have sickness benefits and disability allowances?
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:06am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes we do, although of course they are not universal. I had a lengthy period off work with depression/anxiety, but because my wife was working, I was not entitled to state support. I don’t have a problem with that, and nor would I apply for ACC if that was available.
    
    Palmer wants to be all things to all people. He, like Helen Clark, needs to remember he is a FORMER Prime Minister, and butt out.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:23am
    - Happychappy
      
      A very poor one also KS and he would be the last person needed to rewrite ACC as like most things he touches usually end up having to be looked at again.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:42am
    - MCos
      
      What happened to freedom of speech that everyone was stoutly defending here a couple of weeks ago; ironically for former wannabe PM Don Brash?
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:01am
    - Piniwi
      
      Sort of KS but rather much like the current PM as an accidental PM for a limited time.
      
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      September 11, 2018 11:50pm
- ex-golfer
  
  No need – we already have a welfare system that does this. And enough of our taxes get wasted on it – we don’t need ACC doubling down.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:08am
  - MCos
    
    If you put your back out ACC subsidises your doctors fees.
    If you get the flu you pay the full amount.
    Is Palmer calling for ACC to subsidise that too?
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:07am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right ex-golfer while many parents who usually rely on somebody else providing care for their handicapped children are now entitled to be paid to do what they should have done from the start. It will be interesting to see how this impacts on the established care industry provide through DHB’s? Lots of carers in those situations will not get the perk holidays they put their charges up to “deciding” they want to go to a Oz, USA or maybe the UK.
    
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    September 12, 2018 12:00am
- secondcumming
  
  Whenever I walk past someone in a wheelchair, I always slow down a bit so it doesn’t look like I’m showing off.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:10am
  - Monique Watson
    
    I was so slow at cross-country I always got lapped by the Cerebral Palsy runner.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:37am
- cmm
  
  The stupid bugger should be first in the queue!
  
  Ridiculous what gets covered by ACC already. It was, I believe, intended to cover real accidents.
  
  Now it is used to pay burial fees for murder victims. How is that an accident?
  
  What next? Oops I got knocked up? [Putting aside for a moment the woman who’s tube tying didn’t work.]
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:19am
  - Harkman
    
    When the stock market crashes, ACC will implode.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:24am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    That happened to a rugby mate of mine. His wife got her tubes tied, and fell pregnant after the surgery. On our first game after the news broke, he strode in to the changing room and proudly announced that it was simply an example of how potent his sperm was.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:18am
  - MCos
    
    Why shouldn’t ACC pay funeral costs for murder victims?
    I’m guessing here, but I’d be inclined to think the perpetrator won’t have twenty grand sitting in their bank account & will be out of the circulation for a long time.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:20am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      Because it’s not an accident?
      
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      September 11, 2018 1:03pm
    - cmm
      
      It isn’t an accident.
      
      Yes, it sucks to be left with a huge bill through no fault of your own, but those huge bills happen in all sorts of ways: a tree falls on your car, thieves nick your TV, etc.
      
      ACC covers none of those.
      
      You probably have insurance for those. You can get insurance for funeral costs too.
      
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      September 11, 2018 4:37pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right cmm like it was intended to be free for all working people for which the right to sue for negligence was removed. It has morphed a long way from the White Paper that laid out clearly no worker contributions would be needed. First came ACC levies and now it is a percentage level tax.
    
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    September 12, 2018 12:06am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The biggest fault with ACC is that it’s a “No fault” system.
  Suggestions:
  Privatize it, worked well last time!
  Modify:
  Accident/traffic record, linked to the cost of rego.
  Sports clubs and recreational pursuits subject to ACC (eg skiing, ACC part of the lift pass)
  Companies/people with good records (not just H&S policies) ie no accidents, pay less and their workers too.
  This will encourage everyone to be mindful of H&S, as it will hit them in the pocket if they don’t.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    No, no, no, RW, that will just not do! All people are the same under this Marxist regime. You can’t have willy nilly rules for some and other rules for others. Personal responsibility separates you as individuals and will not be tolerated. Off to the gulag with you for re-training! ?
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:06am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Sarcasm WILL be taxed at a rate determined by the Govt.
      The National anthem will be replaced by the lyrics to 1984.
      
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      September 11, 2018 12:01pm
  - Maxx
    
    Add to the list that if you are injured through the act of something unlawful, then you are not covered i.e drunk driving.
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:55am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Escaping from prison (remember that?)
      
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      September 11, 2018 12:02pm
- sooty
  
  He just wants cover for himself.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:06am
- tf78
  
  It won’t be called ACC anymore then will it – it will be Any Complaint Compensation Commission.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:14am
- KevOB
  
  Geoff should go bath to his bath chair.
  We have an excellent public health provision by world standards. An insurance scheme would only add to the costs and delight the money managers and lawyers.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:36am
infused

A bit torn on the whole mother dying in Bali issue.

If it were my family I would be gunning for the govt to help out, but the insurance side doesn’t make any sense.

I do feel the govt should have done something at least. I can’t see how it would set a precedent.
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September 11, 2018 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Hundreds of New Zealanders die every day. Sure, it is sad for them, but that is part of life.
  
  The only time this really looks off is when it is juxtaposed with Cindy’s extravagant use of “her” jet.
  
  It doesn’t make her look like the Princess of luvvs any more.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:14am
  - SGA
    
    Yeah, pretty much. If the government started picking up the tab for people who’d cut corners on their travel insurance, I suspect many here would be outraged. There is enough teeth-gnashing going on here about the compensation for people whose properites the government chose to “red zone” (which is something, I believe, that insurance wouldn’t even cover).
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:21am
    - fernglas
      
      It was uninsured people they chose to indemnify, rather like the EQC paying out to those in Edgcumbe who had property damage but didn’t have cover. Don’t know why I bother getting insurance.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:39am
      - SGA
        
        Good luck if you have a house fire 🙂
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:41am
    - tf78
      
      SGA – why do we cover tourists who have accidents in NZ, they aren’t Kiwis but they get taken care of.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:16am
      - MCos
        
        Put that question to the Indonesian Government.
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:22am
      - SGA
        
        @tf78
        I don’t know how medical cover for tourists in NZ works (never having been one). How does it work?
        
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        September 11, 2018 11:46am
      - Antoine
        
        They can get ACC just like Kiwis
        
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        September 11, 2018 12:47pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Bad precedent – noone will get travel insurance if govt is going to step in. Govt should have capability of paying for repatriation in such circumstances and then getting it back off you via usual IRD menaces.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:20am
  - infused
    
    Yeah, look, I understand that. It’s not about the insurance, but a flight home and put in the public system I don’t see as being overboard.
    
    And we don’t actually know if she didn’t get insurance, more so that insurance wouldn’t cover it.
    
    That’s why I said there’s a bit more information needed here.
    
    When people *don’t* get insurance, I have no sympathy. Just like the Christchurch earthquakes. Paying them out was wrong.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:38am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  You may not see how it would set a precedent.
  
  But every lawyer and journalist in NZ would certainly see it as a precedent.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    A medical evacuation training flight for the RNZAF medical team could have easily taken care of Abby Hartley’s trip home apparently. I hear there was a spare plane, oh wait…Cindy had that booked for her personal use to Ngaru. ✈️
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:12am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Was the insurance company named at all? I would like to know so I can avoid them.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:23am
  - SGA
    
    Cover-More Travel insurance – but if it is true that she chose not to disclose a preexisting medical condition, then I’m not sure how much I blame them. I haven’t seen the precise circumstances, to be honest.
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:29am
    - Ross12
      
      Her problem was a twisted bowel –I doubt anyone would know they had that problem , unless symptoms were present before, in which case you would not be travelling.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:15am
      - SGA
        
        Yeah, but the way I understand it, she had a known pre-existing bowel condition? Not so?
        
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        September 11, 2018 4:44pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Discussing it on TV3 it was noted there were 56 pages of conditions attached to one person’s insurance cover. Apparently, if you visit your GP within 3 months of overseas travel this can affect your policy. I assume that would eliminate quite a number of travellers who try claiming from their travel insurance?
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:33am
    - fernglas
      
      As long as you disclose pre-existing conditions, then they are contractually bound to pay out if a policy is issued. In this case, the lady clearly didn’t tell them she had a problem, that problem caused the twisted bowel, and so she lost cover for that and the consequences flowing from it. Big hint. Disclose. If you don’t get insurance, don’t travel.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:43am
      - Debbie
        
        It’s just a bit simplistic, that attitude.
        
        Covermore is the same travel insurance sold by travel agents (who don’t actually understand their policies themselves and can hardly be expected to ask the right questions or provide clarifications) at the same time as the flights.
        
        I nearly took Covermore to court myself recently, under the fair trading act in the Disputes Resolution, til they finally rang me ten minutes before my cut-off point to tell me they would settle. They’d already had a phone call from a travel editor that same afternoon, to “seek clarification” and I strongly suspect they’d realised they would lose if it went to court. That was over knowingly selling me a dual insurance policy; the fine print said if I was able to claim under a different insurance policy, then I “must” do so, which meant my Covermore policy was worthless as I already received complimentary travel insurance through my credit card company, and had told the travel agent this at the time I purchased, but she persuaded me that Covermore would give me “better” cover; which of course wasn’t the case at all as I would not legally be able to make a claim with them!
        
        Basically I think Covermore are rubbish; they tried to do everything they could to avoid paying out when my friend’s daughter got sick in Thailand and she also ended up threatening them with the media before they finally paid up.
        
        I’m not convinced, given that history, that Abby Hartley actually did anything wrong at all. Just because a condition is pre-existing doesn’t mean she knew about it, or that she understood the terms on the travel insurance questionnaire, or that the travel agent who sold it to her understood those terms either.
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:04am
    - ex-golfer
      
      It would also eliminate those that go to their GP to get their vaccinations updated before they travel!
      
      Insurance – a necessary evil and they love to take your money preying on scare tactics, but are complete wankers when it comes to making a claim.
      
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      September 11, 2018 10:13am
      - Inandout
        
        I use One Cover (Lloyds) because they have reasonable health questions. I have spoken to people who travel and use their credit card insurance and don’t tell the company they have existing conditions, thinking their bank will stand by them. Dumb.
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Why avoid them ? – I understand she advised them of a pre condition and they accepted it under the policy but decided she would not pay the additional premium.
    
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    September 11, 2018 2:22pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Now if she’d just had the presence of mind to die in a coal mine …..
  
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  September 11, 2018 2:26pm
wreck1080

The other day I said…

Surely the most dangerous or high risk roads are also the ones that enforcement will be most effective?

I can’t believe they are not targeting SH2 between waihi and tauranga…. this is one of the most dangerous stretches of roads with high traffic volumes , poor road quality, and abysmal driver behaviour. Lot of deaths result.

And….yesterday there was another fatal on that road…. there will be more this year.

But cops still say sh2 is not a priority.
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September 11, 2018 9:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the CoL also say SH2 is not a priority. They have deferred the plans that National had to four-lane it and bypass Katikati.
  Blood on their hands.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:14am
Monique Watson

What a load of Fuckery:

“Ardern said she had been surprised, while working with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Mfat), by the number of New Zealanders who sought and were given consular support every year.

“Over 200 cases where medical issues arise where Mfat does provide support. That support just doesn’t extend to bringing them home and hasn’t done, and nor do really any of our international counterparts either.”

Ardern said help could be provided to Kiwis abroad, but that did not absolve insurers of their obligations to customers.

Ardern “When it comes to significant medical events, then that’s when we’re always hoping and seeking the assistance of insurers to support New Zealanders, when there are situations like medevacs,” she told TVNZ.
Ardern has well and truly jumped the shark. Insurance be buggered. This was an opportune time for NZ to restore relationships with the U.S and get Hartley to Stanford or back to Middlemore via American Medivac. Or Wellington.
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September 11, 2018 9:35am
- ex-golfer
  
  No problem or hesitation in handing out millions to uninsured property owners in Christchurch though.
  
  The numbers:
  Hundreds of greatful and probably new Labour supporters in Chch vs 1 person stuck in Bali.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:10am
  - wiseowl
    
    Ex you reminded me of something in the media a while ago now but the Canterbury Health Board were owed millions by non kiwis that had treatment in the Christchurch hospital but never paid.
    Millions.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:51am
    - MCos
      
      The equivalent would be tourists treated in Indonesian public hospitals for free.
      I doubt if there are public hospitals as we know them in Bali.
      There is a big difference.
      She was treated in a private hospital. I doubt if NZ private hospitals would accept uninsured tourists.
      
      I have had some experience with Thai hospitals. You can’t leave until the bill is settled.
      Be good fun if they tried that here.
      
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      September 11, 2018 11:40am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Better to go treated in Indonesia than Middlemore. Have had a doctor and a midwife warn us off it, and know two people who were dangerously mis-treated there.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:15am
Fletch

Jordan Peterson on why you don’t see as many women in high paying CEO jobs etc.. (I’m not sure if someone has posted this before?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q

Is very good and straightforward.
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September 11, 2018 9:39am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch. a summation would be useful for those like me who do not have to watch it.
  
  Does he suggest that women are genetically or physiologically unsuitable or inferior?
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:09am
  - Inandout
    
    stephie, if you watched a Jordan video you would turn to stone, so full of truth are his speeches.
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:42am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Christ on a crutch. And he wonders why….
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:34am
MickMac

What were the Previous complaints she had that they cancelled cover because of?
Will we ever get to know?
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September 11, 2018 9:41am
- SGA
  
  All I have read is tht she had a pre-existing bowel condition (whatever that may be) and she needed emergency surgery to remove a section of twisted bowel. There were complications arising from the surgery.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:47am
- fernglas
  
  Quite possibly abdominal adhesions arising from previous surgery; check wikipedia
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:47am
MickMac

Well I’ll be blowed, Maths is in everything..
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-hidden-prime-crystal-like-materials.html
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September 11, 2018 9:45am
Huevon

“Te wiki o te reo Maori.”

For some reason Google tells me this means “week of insufferable virtue signaling wankers”. Who would have thought it??
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September 11, 2018 9:54am
- SGA
  
  You might be onto something. Alongside Google, Google Scholar, and Google Maps, there could be things like Google Left and Google Right, so that the search only located information consistent with the searchers’ pre-existing worldview. There could be one called (((Google))) just for (((EAD)))!!!
  🙂 🙂 🙂
  (Now waiting for someone to tell me that this exists already 🙁 )
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:05am
Longknives

No doubt about it- If that poor woman had died overseas and a National Government had decided not to intervene the Media would be screaming blue fucking murder!
The PM would be getting hounded and asked if he has ‘Blood on his hands’? and ‘Will you resign?’etc etc

And now Ardern is claiming – “I wish I was in a position to have helped”!
Jesus Wept Jacinda! You WERE in a position to have helped…
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September 11, 2018 9:56am
- artemisia
  
  Meanwhile, Mr Bridges quietly went about arranging with the family a medevac. No fanfare. Sadly not needed.
  
  Who knows how that family voted previously. I’ll put money on how they, and many of their donors, will vote next time.
  
  Softly, softly.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:27am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Totally agree Knives. That is a staggering display of cognisant dissonance from Ardern.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:36am
Monique Watson

Yeah you cunt.
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September 11, 2018 10:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  ^^^ Monique is obviously a green voter 😉
  
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  September 11, 2018 1:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Pete George has posted a list of the Guardian Fluff pieces on our PM.
https://yournz.org/2018/09/10/ardern-risks-being-hoist-by-her-own-celebrity-pr-petard/
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September 11, 2018 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  The Guardian is so excited one of their own is actually in the top job down in the South Pacific. They will do anything to keep her in the news.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:45am
rightoverlabour

Blood on her Hands

The masses will remember that she took a 757 so that she could pop back to breastfeed, rather than send the 757 to aid a dying citizen in need. The details of each case will not be remembered, the perception will. And the perception is she didn’t help when she could have.
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September 11, 2018 10:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ms Ardern said it was incredibly sad the opportunity to bring her home did not eventuate.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366151/nz-woman-abby-hartley-who-fell-ill-in-bali-dies
  
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she’s “gutted” to learn of the death of New Zealander Abby Hartley in a Bali hospital.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122852
  
  Wow!! You can see how the PM is going to spin this story.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:25am
  - niggly
    
    Talking about spin, the first question the PM was asked on Morning Report was did she have any regret?
    
    Ardern gave an uninterrupted 56 second deflecting answer that didn’t even address the question!
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018661982/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-discusses-govt-troubles
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:29am
  - rangitoto
    
    Nothing to see here. It was nine years of neglect by that John Keys fullah what caused it.
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, maybe this whole thing could be avoided if Abby Hartley just simply made a declaration about her prior condition as is the case for all Travel and Healthcare Insurance.
    
    I mean isn’t this the mantra of Right wingers like you about taking individual responsibility.
    
    We now learn that the her family does not bare any ill wiil again the Giovernment ,
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/09/abby-hartley-s-family-say-they-have-no-bad-feelings-towards-government.html
    
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    September 11, 2018 3:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The 757 wouldn’t have been able to help as it’s not a fully-equipped and specialised air ambulance.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:19am
Poppa

NZ dollar continues its inevitable track downwards.

Fuel costs will be increasing again & $3 per litre looks within sight.

That will put the skids under the economy big time
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September 11, 2018 10:34am
- MrLovebucket
  
  They will claim it’s “not our fault and out of our control”
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  The economy tanks, fuel costs rise and kiwis stop travelling by car on casual trips. Cafes get quieter (it is already happening) as customers eat more at home or take lunches to work. Air NZ is throwing around big cuts in selected air travel and expect to see more before Christmas.
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Air NZ averages about $30 profit per passenger flown. They have some margin to play with.
    
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    September 11, 2018 11:08am
    - lifesgood
      
      How come Air NZ charges around $12,000 to fly business class to europe and back when other airlines can do it for way less than half that? I’d love to have a go at business class sometime but won’t do it on Air NZ
      
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      September 11, 2018 12:50pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Because NZ government departments and City Councils are willing to spend other peoples money on exorbitant fares would be my guess.
        
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        September 11, 2018 1:10pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Why would anyone shell out an additional $200/hr for a business class seat?
        
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        September 11, 2018 1:58pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Another Energy Report out today.
  Another report that won’t achieve anything.
  The rubber is hitting the road now and the people Labour claim to care about the most are going to be hit:
  – higher petrol prices
  – higher imported goods cost
  – higher interest rates
  – inflation
  – reduced business investment leading to lower employment
  
  Its the Economy stupid.
  As soon as people have less money in their hands they turn on the Govt – regardless of who is in power.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:19am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Restoring housing affordability … what are the Aussies learning from New Zealand and Texas ? …

Comprehensive posting at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-11-september-2018/#comment-3182888 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/links-11-september-2018/#comment-3182889

… AUSTRALIA: Restoring housing affordability … what are the Aussies learning from New Zealand and Texas ? …

The ‘3 i’s’ of the infantile local government sector … insolence, ignorance and incompetence … as recent Australian research illustrates …

Housing affordability too hard for us to fix alone, local councils say … Domain

https://www.domain.com.au/news/housing-affordability-too-hard-for-us-to-fix-alone-local-councils-say-20180910-h156gx-762893/
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… The New Zealand government is starting on the path of not allowing local government to screw around with land supply and properly debt finance infrastructure … in setting up Urban Development Authorities …

Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald … VIEW & READ …

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
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Urban Development Authority a long overdue initiative … Auckland Business Chamber of Commerce | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1808/S00741/urban-development-authority-a-long-overdue-initiative.htm
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September 11, 2018 10:37am
Longknives

Apologies if someone has already posted this but-

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/09/british-parents-to-swap-genders.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6147827/Britains-gender-fluid-family-prepare-total-transformation.html

Jesus fucking Wept!
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September 11, 2018 10:40am
- Poppa
  
  There are some sick people in this world!
  
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  September 11, 2018 10:50am
  - Longknives
    
    What they are doing to that poor kid is nothing short of child abuse.
    But dare say so and you will just get shouted down-
    ‘Bigot!’, ‘Transphobe!’ ‘Hate Speech!’ etc
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:52am
- RRM
  
  Calling the son Star Cloud is a bit fucking edgy…
  
  But other than that they seem like loving parents who give their boy lots of hugs, and he looks like a happy little boy. At least he has two married parents.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:32am
secondcumming

I just watched a replay of Serena’s meltdown at the US Open Woman’s Final.

Honestly, a 6-foot Black woman, built like a brick shit-house, yelling abuse and smashing her tennis racket into the ground, all the while wearing an ill-fitting fucking ballet Tutu…….ain’t a good look.

I hope we don’t see Budgey inviting the nasty bitch back here for the ASB Classic 😎
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September 11, 2018 10:56am
- Longknives
  
  Just don’t depict her as a cartoon caricature-
  That’s ‘Raaacist!’
  (Even though this guy has done the same to dozens of sports personalities over the years)
  
  https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/aussie-cartoonists-depiction-of-serena-causes-a-firestorm/news-story/0333c3c71fafdcaff25e2e8b33eb257f
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:04am
- MCos
  
  FYI
  She’s 5’-9 & 70kg.
  The Japanese women is 5’-11 & 69kg
  
  Venus is over six feet.
  
  I thought Serena overreacted, but if the umpire from Nick Kyrios’s match has been there he might have had a yarn to the coach and told him to cut it out and avoided all this drama.
  As it is Serena has form in the bad behaviour department
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:52am
  - Longknives
    
    You actually believe that “70kg” story she has been peddling to the Media for years?
    Have a look at her physique- She is massively muscular and has a hulking frame…
    
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    September 11, 2018 12:34pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Serena is one big unit. Utter bullshit that she is 70kg.
      
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      September 11, 2018 12:47pm
    - MCos
      
      The info is on the WTA web site.
      If you have alt-info let’s see it.
      If you saw the two women standing together at the presentation the other day you could see Ōsaka is not the waif depicted in the cartoon.
      
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      September 11, 2018 12:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        This website- which was updated on 30 August says she is 84kg. I find that a bit more believable
        https://healthyceleb.com/serena-williams-height-weight-body-statistics/41643
        
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        September 11, 2018 1:06pm
      - Longknives
        
        Given the amount of muscle she (rather dubiously) packs onto her Gargantuan frame I would have put her around the 90kg mark.
        But 84 seems way more realistic than MCos’ laughable 70kg claim…
        
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        September 11, 2018 3:45pm
      - MCos
        
        Suit yourself
        
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        September 11, 2018 6:18pm
- Fletch
  
  AN Ozzie cartoonist has been raked over the coals for his “racist” cartoon of the incident…
  
  https://twitter.com/Knightcartoons/status/1039017329030393856
  
  I don’t think it’s that bad. Part of cartooning is caricature, exaggerating features etc. Apparently, you’re not allowed to make fun of Serena though, because it’s somehow like a Jim Crow era cartoon…
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12122841
  
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  September 11, 2018 12:27pm
Poppa

So it seems Cullen has not come up the answers Cindy & Robbo wanted. They really really want a Capital Gains Tax to punish the rich pricks. Of course it has unintended consequences but that probably won’t stop them.

If Cindy & Robbo are for it then I am against it
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September 11, 2018 10:58am
Komata

Duxton

Re: ‘Simon now has a big stick to wave’.

Dollar to a Donut, he won’t!!

Another opportunity handed to him on a plate but what will he do with it?

Based on his past performances, absolutely nothing!!

Surely he needs to be replaced!!
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September 11, 2018 11:21am
RRM

Just received an email from Spark telling us our broadband is going up by $5/month, from next invoice.

We’re in the middle of a 12-month contract.

Funny sort of contract! I wonder how it would go down if we told them we’ve decided we’re going to pay $10 less per month?

This will be the last time we make the mistake of using Spark for anything.
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September 11, 2018 11:27am
- Inandout
  
  Fuel costs being passed on. What are all the stay at home mums going to do with their Face Book use?
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:33am
- ex-golfer
  
  That’s one reason I avoid any service from Telescum.
  They have no idea of the concept of contracted terms.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:44am
- dave_c_
  
  Perhaps they are just passing on the increase in charges that Chorus are imposing on Spark. I think Spark is also attempting to price us all out of using copper, as that costs them an arm and leg to rent from Chorus.
  
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  September 11, 2018 11:49am
Sarkozygroupie

Property Owners Rights At Risk

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106854461/property-owners-rights-are-at-risk-under-proposed-changes-to-building-law-surveyors-warn
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September 11, 2018 12:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND: Christchurch … The Bureaucratically Buggered City … Continued …

First priority is relief for beleaguered residents | Mike Yardley OPINION | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/106957442/first-priority-is-relief-for-beleaguered-residents

OPINION: It’s the biggest conflagration to blow up between city council staff and elected members since the revolt against Tony Marryatt’s pay rise in 2011. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… When is functional community control going to be restored Mayor Lianne Dalziel and Chief Executive Karleen Edwards … as promised following the 4,500 strrong Peoples Protest 1 February 2012 ? …

Better communication can shine a light in the darkness | Brendan Burns OPINION | Stuff.co.nz
… February 2012 … now offline …

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness

… extract …

‘ … For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.

To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council….’
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… What the 1 February 2012 The Peoples Protest was all about …

Christchurch: The Way Forward | Scoop News
… June 2012 …

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm
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… Former Mayor Bob Parker bails July 2013 …

Embattled Mayor Parker quits | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/exhausted-parker-wont-run-for-mayor-2013070519

CHRISTCHURCH: THE POLITICAL SHAMBLES … HUGH PAVLETICH OPINION JULY 2012 … NEW ZEALAND NATIONAL BUSINESS REVIEW

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/christchurch-political-shambles-nk-142674
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… Staring us in the face for decades … the failed bureaucratic disastrous Christchurch City Council … and the smaller functional adjoining units of local government Selwyn and Waimakariri … which ‘saved Greater Christchurch following the start of the earthquake events 4 September 2010 …

No wonder people (and businesses) are fleeing …

Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press
… h/t GF …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town
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September 11, 2018 12:12pm
- Happychappy
  
  And not a word from you on the cost of those small houses that Labour have up in the ballot Hugh, and do you think that it fine that people have to put a 10% deposit down on dwellings over a half million dollars. Can you see problems when interest rates start moving to 6 or 7% and more.
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:53pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Happychappie … why me … when others such as Stephen Sellwood, Chief Executive of Infrastructure NZ are doing such an outstanding job effectively articulating these issues ? …
    
    How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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    … and so many others on allied issues … to illustrate …
    
    AUCKLAND: “A VANCOUVER OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC; BEAUTIFUL, BUT UTTERLY UNAFFORDABLE” … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY
    
    http://www.newgeography.com/content/006072-auckland-a-vancouver-south-pacific-beautiful-utterly-unaffordable
    
    Mike Hosking (Popular Conservative Commentator): Housing Minister Phil Twyford right to bulldoze his way through councils – NZ Herald … VIEW & READ …
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118208
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    Urban Development Authority a long overdue initiative … Auckland Business Chamber of Commerce | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1808/S00741/urban-development-authority-a-long-overdue-initiative.htm
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    There is huge political progress underway … further reading at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
    
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    September 11, 2018 6:00pm
gump

Seen on social media:

“Criticising Trump in a book just isn’t fair … it’s like criticising the Amish on Television.”
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September 11, 2018 12:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  +1 Actually that’s quite funny 🙂
  
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  September 11, 2018 12:43pm
krazykiwi

Record class action launched against Australia’s banks, Aussies owed up to $3000 each
Up to five million Australians could get thousands of dollars back from the big banks under what is set to be the largest class action in the nation’s history.

Law firm Slater and Gordon will today launch an unprecedented wave of legal action on behalf of around one in three Australian workers believed to have their super invested as cash with the banks, according to a News.com.au report.
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An issue is the fact that bank-owned super funds have been busted putting members’ money into the parent bank instead of the bank that offers the best interest rate — meaning workers are often paid between 0.5 and 1 per cent less interest than they should be.

The firm estimates that for someone with AU$100,000 in cash just a 0.5 per cent difference could have cost them about AU$3000 in only six years.

Could prove expensive for the banks, and a windfall for their lawyers whatever the outcome.
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September 11, 2018 1:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ll be interested in Question 4 in the House today

CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON to the Minister for Crown/Māori Relations: Has the formation of the Crown-Māori Partnership Office been approved by Cabinet; if so, when?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1809/S00137/parliament-oral-questions-11-september-2018.htm

Anyone else heard of this Partnership Office before today?
Wonder who is behind it?
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September 11, 2018 1:48pm
- krazykiwi
  
  In the context of the treaty, the term ‘partnership’ is a große Lüge – a Big Lie. The use of the term ‘partnership’ is based on earlier use, which is based on still earlier use. But it’s never mentioned, or suggested by the treaty.
  
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  September 11, 2018 1:58pm
- cmm
  
  Don’t bet your panties in a bunch. It is just an existing office that got remnamed.
  
  It used to be called the Partnership Transparency Office.
  
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  September 11, 2018 2:35pm
- wiseowl
  
  That was the scariest and most serious issue in QT today Maggie.
  It appears that the plan is to set up almost like an alternative race based cabinet that is going to deal with all issues .
  This is scandalous.
  I wonder if DG or someone can clarify if the Cooke decision can be challenged .It was the most dangerous decisions of all time and the great majority of kiwis do not understand what this latest move is going to mean to what was the greatest country in the world.
  
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  September 11, 2018 3:15pm
- Piniwi
  
  But Maggy Wassilieff he Minister was in the witless program again today so it was Angry Andy fielding his question in his usual evasive manner.
  
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  September 12, 2018 1:09am
secondcumming

WOOPS! Was about to post something real important and suddenly realised the *Speaker’s Briefing* is about to start…….later!
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September 11, 2018 1:55pm
Duxton

Happy birthday DPF!

I hope that you have a great day.
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September 11, 2018 2:24pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Seconded 👍
  
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  September 11, 2018 2:25pm
graham

Wow. Wow wow wow.

I just listened to Mike Hosking interviewing Jacinda Ardern this morning … the term “train-wreck” comes to mind 🙂

Mike started off gently, asking if she regretted how she handled the whole Clare Curran issue. He then ramped up, asking why Jacinda didn’t tell Newstalk ZB that Clare had resigned during the interview when she already knew this. Jacinda answered, “Well the question I was asked from memory was if her seat was safe and had I sacked her, and I had not.” Mike then told her what the original question was – “Have you considered – this is the question – have you considered as Prime Minister cutting ties with Clare Curran?” Jacinda first bumbled about, unclear why Mike would ask her this when Clare has already resigned. Mike clarifies, telling Jacinda that was the question she was asked at the time and why didn’t she state she had already received Clare’s resignation? Jacinda obfuscates and firstly states that she had already made her decision to remove her from cabinet (Really? Despite stating her position was safe??? Uh … what???) and then goes on to say she hadn’t even received her resignation at that time!

Read that again. Jacinda states that she had already made her decision to remove her from cabinet. And yet in the interview with Chris Lynch she stated she hadn’t considered firing her, her position was safe, and that she doesn’t want to set the bar so high that if you show a bit of human frailty you lose your job over it.

Mike then goes in with all guns blazing – why had her office provided an edited, inaccurate transcript to David Farrar? “Oh that’s not something I was involved with, but there’s nothing for me to hide.” Mike asks if she is worried that her office is editing transcripts. “Well I can’t confirm that they had or hadn’t Mike.” Mike informs her that he can, because he has both versions in front of him. Jacinda’s answer? “Well then you can helpfully provide that transcript to David as requested”. Mike just can’t believe this, you can almost hear him face-palming!

And just for good measure, in the middle of all this, Mike slipped in a question about how was Greg O’Connor told off? “By myself”, was the answer. “But in a telling-off kind of way?” asks Mike (it’s pretty obvious what Mike thinks at this point, from the tone of his voice). “I think you can expect the conversation I had with him, and it was as you would predict” came the reply. Pfft.

Hosking obviously no more believes that Jacinda is capable of giving somebody a rip-roaring tongue-lashing than the rest of us!

Have a listen, this is just unbelieveable.

http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2018.09.11-07.30.00-S.mp3
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September 11, 2018 2:31pm
starboard

Tamati Coffee is obviously eating Megan WOODS pies…
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September 11, 2018 2:45pm
- Longknives
  
  Well he wouldn’t be eating Megan Wood’s P……
  
  *I’ll get my Coat….
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:11pm
  - sooty
    
    Is that the Woods with a son at camp?
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:31pm
  - stigie
    
    Sorry but i cant help vomiting..?
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:43pm
mandk

Interesting point from the report from the Electricity Price Review.

Between 1999 and 2008, residential electricity prices increased by a total of around 31%.

Between 2008 and 2017, residential electricity prices increased by a total of just 12%.

Just goes to show that socialists really care about …

… No, wait.
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September 11, 2018 3:05pm
noskire

Happy Birthday DPF!
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September 11, 2018 3:30pm
Fletch

Proof positive that Google used its power to try and influence the last U.S election. And they don’t deny it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7iPJMCxOZY
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September 11, 2018 3:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, Tucker Carlson and Fox??
  
  Umm …!
  
  Google a foreign power?
  
  And if the allegation is actually factual? ( coming as it is from Fox)
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:00pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
    Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:05pm
    - stephieboy
      
      QAnon devotee?
      
      http://time.com/5356851/what-is-qanon/
      
      Sigh!
      
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      September 11, 2018 4:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Seen your Doctor yet Pervboy?
        https://m.wikihow.com/Be-Less-Perverted
        
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        September 11, 2018 4:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con,
        answer the question first?
        
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        September 11, 2018 4:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You never answer anyone else questions eh c##t.
        Seen your Doctor yet?
        Hey, wouldn’t it be funny if there were ‘notices’ at Church this weekend.
        
        Hint hint to whoever does it
        LOL
        
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        September 11, 2018 4:43pm
AgentBallSack goes Forth

Hi all, been a while.
I am just visiting now that Agent BallSack is no longer banned to inform you all that I am retiring the Agent BallSack profile, and retiring from commenting on New Zealand blogs altogether.

I would like to thank first of all DPF for allowing me the privilege to comment here over the last few years, and wish him luck in the future with his family and his endeavours, thanks David!

To the rest of you, too many to name! who I have enjoyed interacting with, shooting the shit, living through great victories such as National and Trumps election, and the total clusterfucks like the last election and the disappointment it enjoined, thank you all. You all are great people and hopefully one day we will share a beer, a whisky or a huge fat blunt when dude weed is finally decriminalized. You have helped me through dark days even when you haven’t realized it.

While it has been fun, I no longer have the interest in curtailing my speech or thoughts to pass the standards on this or any other blog. Having lurked the last few weeks, while coming to this decision I have realized I wouldn’t last a week here before being banned for the 8th time and the requisite 6 months so it’s time to hang up my chapeau and bid you all adieu.

To the lovers, haters and mildly disinterested – stay safe, love life and don’t take it all so fucking seriously!

I think that’s about it, I wasn’t planning on writing a novella, just saying goodbye and wishing you all the best of health while drawing a line past the point I will not return.
Cheers!

Agent BallSack
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September 11, 2018 3:56pm
- Longknives
  
  ‘Critics Be Damned’ Ballsack!
  I enjoyed your contributions- I hope you take a break then contemplate coming out of retirement.
  We need more like you fighting the good fight!
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:10pm
  - stigie
    
    Wish you were back sack. All the very best !~
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:49pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Good luck ABS
  Thanks for the posts and the laughs.
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  ABS, soooo… sad,sad. Now, where is my theatrical tears kit?
  
  Sniffle, sniffle…Oink, Oink…!
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:13pm
  - AgentBallSack goes Forth
    
    One last time just for kicks:
    
    Shut the fuck up stupidbitch!
    
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    September 11, 2018 7:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS, good riddance!
      
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      September 11, 2018 7:26pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Neil Young had the right idea – ‘better to burn out than to fade away’. Come back and burn out 🙂
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:26pm
- cmm
  
  Go well Ballbag
  
  Hang low, swing slow.
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:42pm
DigNap15

The more I see and hear Ardern (eg on newstalk ZB this morning with Mike Hoskings) the more I despise her.
She is pushing all sorts of agendas that most kiwi do not want.
Eg Maori Language
Maori Commission (Kelvin Davis)
Refugees
Business bashing rules
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September 11, 2018 4:20pm
- Longknives
  
  “The more I see and hear Ardern…. the more I despise her.”
  
  Mate you are not alone- My mates and I (a cross section of Lawyers, Cops and Businessmen) were having a beer on the weekend and we were saying the same thing.
  The consensus was we would ALL rather have Winston in charge- and Jesus most of us would rather that dreadful Helen Clark Beast-thing returned to the big chair!
  Ardern is a Stupid little Communist who seems to live in a magical Pixieland…She is utterly destroying our Country.
  
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  September 11, 2018 5:43pm
DigNap15

Here is todays Maori Vocab lesson, very timely in view of Maori Language week.
The word is
Compulsory
Its not in my printed Maori dictionary.
But you will pleased to know that I have bought another printed dictionary on TradeMe, hopefully it will have more words in it.
I’ll keep you posted.
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September 11, 2018 4:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15 , no surprises there coming from a rabid alt righter like you.
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    Never mind the “rabit alt righter” insults. I see you’re doing a reading at St Albans on Sunday. How exciting!
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:34pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Nostradamus, one thing for sure you’re just a colossal bore?
      
      Keep it up!
      
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      September 11, 2018 4:42pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        I’d rather be a “colossal bore” than a pervert who tells Kiwiblog readers what he gets up to at shopping malls!
        
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        September 11, 2018 4:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostadamus , get up to exactly what in shopping Malls?
        
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        September 11, 2018 6:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Is it time for a PERVWATCH post again?
        I’d of thought you’d be sick of having your own words repeatedly shown to you.
        
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        September 11, 2018 6:52pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        get up to exactly what in shopping Malls?
        
        Here you go:
        
        Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
        
        December 3, 2015 2:26pm
        
        Would you like another example?
        
        Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire .
        
        August 21, 2016 8:51am
        
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        September 11, 2018 6:53pm
      - Longknives
        
        Stephieboy- Can you tell me? (And be honest!)
        Is creeping round after underage Girls (or Boys if that is your thing) pretty much ‘Par for the course’ on the Political Left?
        Recent happenings at Labour Youth Camps would certainly seem to suggest as much….
        
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        September 11, 2018 7:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        I was not perving . Merely stating the obvious about how Muslims ( like the two daughters ) and those at the cafe integrate well and adopt many of our mores and customs.
        The Urban Dictionary has a number of definitions for Honeypots. Mine wasn’t the perverted one you all have adopted.
        
        Sad how the women’s form creates such disgust and shame amongst white trailer trash such as yourselves.
        
        https://makeameme.org/meme/i-am-leisa
        
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        September 11, 2018 7:34pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        I was not perving
        
        Your comment indicates:
        
        – you “happened” to be at a shopping centre – at least twice.
        – you “happened” to notice young girls near you – at least twice.
        – you “happened” to study the young girls bodies in detail, including their clothing, and their physical features – at least twice
        – you gleefully reported your perv-log findings here at Kiwiblog – twice – and there’s other perverted comments of yours at Kiwiblog that could be used to build a case study of a disturbed mind!
        
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        September 11, 2018 7:46pm
    - nasska
      
      Solicitor in court – “I can prove my client was at home on the evening in question, I can read out his search history to the court.”
      
      Stephieboy – “that’s not necessary, I confess to the murder.”
      
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      September 11, 2018 5:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Nostradamus
      Do you think that your continued doxxing of stephieboy is a good thing?
      The guy’s obviously a bit limited – perhaps just ignore him or simply rebut his arguments if you must. Posting personal details is a little off. I can recall feeling a little threatened myself when one post swore he would find out who I was. I’ve only been marginally more careful than stephieboy.
      
      I find it a little odd that some regular commenters on this blog seem to think stephieboy is so out of line that he needs such concentrated attention.
      
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      September 11, 2018 7:49pm
      - nasska
        
        Maybe Mike but you’d have to admit that he’s a sick unit. I’ve had daughters & granddaughters of the age he refers to as “revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts” & if someone had referred to them like that in front of me they would have spent the rest of their lives in a wheelchair.
        
        He’s a creep.
        
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        September 11, 2018 7:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I accept your objection to stephieboy, nasska. But do you think that he is any more offensive than a dozen of so of the usual suspects on the blog?
        He plugs away, rather misguidedly if must be said, against the general tenor of Kiwiblog comments, and for that cops way more abuse than people who call other humans “niggers”. or accuse other commenters of pedophilia.
        Many of the people who so bravely call him out, or spread his personal details, look the other way when much worse things are written. Fucking gutless hypocrites.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:17pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I am a right wing patriot and proud of it.
    
    The word compulsory came about because the Greens want to make learning Maori at school compulsory.
    
    What is your political bent in you own words?
    
    What Maori vocab words would you like me to cover next?
    
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    September 11, 2018 5:09pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”What Maori vocab words would you like me to cover next?”…..
      
      Pay slip.
      
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      September 11, 2018 5:11pm
      - Longknives
        
        ”What Maori vocab words would you like me to cover next?”
        
        Incest and Inbreeding.
        
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        September 11, 2018 5:35pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s more of a Canterbury thing, rather than restricted to an y particular ethnicity.
        
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        September 11, 2018 7:50pm
- rangitoto
  
  My dictionary says:
  
  Compulsory – Tiriti payout
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:36pm
  - gump
    
    Every year we spend around $14 billion on national superannuation payments.
    
    The entire value of all the Treaty settlements over the past 25 years would cover super payments for two months.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:39pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hush you.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In my Ngata dictionary it is:
  herea
  Although that word does not appear in my Williams dictionary.
  
  Neither dictionary has any offering for alt-righter
  
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  September 11, 2018 5:48pm
- itstricky
  
  http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=compulsory
  
  Tip of the day: http://maoridictionary.co.nz/
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:41pm
DigNap15

Just heard Melissa Lee on the radio!
Are they trying to make her feel guilty for Curran’s resignation?
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September 11, 2018 4:25pm
VicParking

Channel two just had a Maori word of the day.
“rapeti” I’m sure that when captain Cook landed the Maori chief approached him and said “kei a koe etahi rapeti”
Three picks as to what rapeti means
Rabbit
Bunny
Cottontail
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September 11, 2018 4:42pm
cmm

Forget about Maori Language week.

When is Maori technology microsecond?
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September 11, 2018 4:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  cmm,
  microsecond?
  
  Micro borrowed from Greek Mikros( small)
  
  Second borrowed from Old Frech via Latin sequin/ secondus ( follow)
  
  Your point?
  
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  September 11, 2018 4:51pm
  - stigie
    
    How do you say goats in Murri..?
    
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    September 11, 2018 4:52pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stigie:
      
      Do you know if there’s a Maori word for “honeypots”?
      
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      September 11, 2018 4:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What about micro ‘Brian’?
        
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        September 11, 2018 4:57pm
      - stigie
        
        “Mingeiti”
        
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        September 11, 2018 5:00pm
      - wiseowl
        
        Manuka
        
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        September 11, 2018 7:28pm
  - cmm
    
    That has been the British Empire’s greatest contibution to the world: travelling all over the place, gathering knowledge from here and there, assembling it into a useful whole, then distributing it throughout the world.
    
    Stuff picked up from Maoridom and distributed elsewhere?
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:11pm
Brigitte

Can anyone enlighten me on what is going on here. In particular, the Speakers interruptions during q #1:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20180911_20180911_12

Edit to add, that this following might be related to the above:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20180911_20180911_20
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September 11, 2018 4:52pm
- pentwig
  
  I saw that Bridgitte and could not understand myself.
  The duck certainly did not allow question 1 to be answered and cut off question 2 early.
  Why?
  I thought the more learned people here would advice us.
  
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  September 11, 2018 6:28pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Seems to be a procedural stoush about whether the governing parties want to let a select committee meeting proceed tomorrow when they would prefer the full house pursue other legislation.
    
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    September 11, 2018 7:55pm
Fletch

Twenty years after the Clinton impeachment, Ken Starr is back with a new book called Contempt in which he finally reveals his thoughts…
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September 11, 2018 5:02pm
rangitoto

I see Musk is trying the Henry Ford trick of cutting down the number of colours available. I wonder how much that will really save.
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September 11, 2018 5:55pm
Manolo

Laugh loud:
https://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/09/10/pelosi-dems-need-new-blood-but-im-here-as-long-as-trump-in-wh/

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi revealed that though even she agrees that Democrats need “new blood,” she is not going anywhere so long as Donald Trump is president.
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September 11, 2018 5:59pm
Steve (North Shore)

So where is Mike (mikenmild and other variations) today. AWOL again.
Gone into damage control over more of Cindy’s lies? or heaven forbid he has been told to STFU by none other than H1, H2 and that dumb sheila who tells lies?
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September 11, 2018 5:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sorry Steve, I’ll try to be more available for you. When would you most appreciate my comments on the chances of the Jaapies getting a win this Saturday?
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:57pm
nasska

…..”Muslims were detained for re-education by China‘s government and made to eat pork and drink alcohol, according to a former internment camp inmate.”…..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-re-education-muslims-ramadan-xinjiang-eat-pork-alcohol-communist-xi-jinping-a8357966.html

And in other news an unidentified government official is quoted as saying, “First we’ll teach them how to use soap and water, then we’ll set about this shit they believe in.” 🙂
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September 11, 2018 7:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Brings to mind this kind of thing,
  
  https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/anti-semitism/
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:41pm
MrTips

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/c91e8f22-1c46-45d1-a029-0cb7533ec365

Russell Norman and his Welsh offsider coming up for sentencing after their stupid offshore protest. I hope the judge convicts them. Greenpeace are liars and charlatans who deserve a wake up call.
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September 11, 2018 7:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  Deport. Aus will love to get that thing back.
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:42pm
- Longknives
  
  “I hope the judge convicts them. Greenpeace are liars and charlatans…”
  
  Absolutely no chance mate. These freaks control our whackjob so-called ‘Government’!
  Remember our Oil and Gas Industry?? Jacinda certainly fucking doesn’t…
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:43pm
starboard

Hat tip Hobsons Pledge

“Better Treaty partner arrangements a mistake
A Crown-Maori Partnership portfolio and a new agency to support the Crown to be a better Treaty partner, announced yesterday, is fraught with danger because it entrenches the notion that the Crown and Maori somehow exist as separate groups.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern made the announcement in the Cabinet room with veteran activist Titewhai Harawira next to her.

Deputy Prime Minister and New Zealand First leader Winston Peters, who has consistently opposed such separatism, was conspicuously absent when Ms Ardern made the announcement.

Also present with Harawira, who was jailed in 1989 for assaulting a patient at a mental health unit she ran, was her grand-nephew Wikatana Popata, who is another activist who has also been convicted of assault.

Some must be scratching their heads seeing the Prime Minister and other Ministers fawning over such “Treaty partners”.

See https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12122568

Police show two laws after statue vandalised
When an activist from Huntly sprayed red paint on the statue of Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton, in Hamilton, two weeks ago, the police only issued a pre-charge warning and the Hamilton City Council said it would clean up the statue and repair the damage. See https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106691019/captain-hamilton-statue-vandalised-in-hamiltons-main-square

This act of vandalism came after shots were fired at surfers at Taharoa near Otorohanga and despite a spokeswoman confirming that her “whanau” was involved, the police did nothing. See https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106403119/access-to-break-where-surfers-shot-at-generally-by-invitation

Such limp reaction by authorities has the effect of condoning criminal activity.

It also confirms that New Zealand has two sets of laws and our Government and their agencies (including Police) are unwilling to act freely to enforce law equally.

Awaiting Winston on Maori seats entrenchment bill
A bill entrenching the Maori seats into New Zealand electoral law passed its first reading in Parliament on September 5 supported by New Zealand First, which opposes the Maori seats.

The Electoral (Entrenchment of Maori Seats) Amendment Bill in the name of Labour’s Te Tai Tonga MP Rino Tirikatene would require a 75 per cent majority of Parliament to get rid of them.

New Zealand First MP Darroch Ball said the party believed the issue of the Maori seats should be put to a binding referendum. An amendment requiring a referendum could be added at select committee stage.

National electoral spokesman Nick Smith said that an amendment to be put in the later stages by New Zealand First would not be accepted under the rules of the House because it is so far removed from the intent of the bill. See https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119877

One scenario is that if NZ First tries and fails to add a referendum, the party would vote against the bill, ending the matter.

A petition to send Mr Peters a clear message that he needs to keep his promise on a referendum on Maori seats may be signed at https://www.democracyaction.org.nz/petition?utm_campaign=180906_da_petition_maori_seats&utm_medium=email&utm_source=democracyaction

Stop living in the past
The past doesn’t have to dictate the future. We can keep heading down the path of separatism in this country if we want, but all that is going to do is enrich a few lawyers and academics, according to commentator Ryan Wood on Friday.

Commenting after the recent vandalism of the Captain Hamilton statue in the city that bears his name, Wood wrote that as a person with South Island Maori ancestry whose forebears were conquered by a North Island tribe, he feels no urge to get revenge by daubing graffiti on the Te Rauparaha Arena in Porirua.

“We could stop living in the past and start seeing each other as fellow humans, we could maybe even start addressing the real cause of inequality in our society,” he wrote.”

His full comments may be read at https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/106877783/new-zealand-we-need-to-stop-living-in-the-past
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September 11, 2018 7:42pm
- Longknives
  
  I have had the misfortune of meeting Mr Popata.
  Without going into it too much- He utterly detests (and wishes the absolute worst on) any New Zealander not of Maori descent.
  That Ardern sees this character fit to sit in the Cabinet room is utterly chilling…
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:48pm
  - starboard
    
    MM and sticky love the likes of Popata, cant get enough of the lovely thug and racist,
    
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    September 11, 2018 9:17pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What’s the difference between Hobson’s Pledge and 1Law4All?
  And, a bonus question, did you know that there is very little evidence that Captain Hobson ever said “We are now one people”?
  
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  September 11, 2018 7:59pm
  - Jack5
    
    It’s oral history, Milky, so it must be true. Or maybe he said: “We are now one wh-wh – translator, what the ~~whuck~~ blazes is this word — wha-now.”
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:13pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”It’s oral history”…..
      
      Yep. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. We’ve had Maori Treaty claims based on no better evidence than someone eaten four hundred years ago lost their land by conquest & it must belong to the greedies because someone from their iwi threw KFC bones on it.
      
      Once things are opened up to bullshit oral folklore anything & everything’s okay.
      
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      September 11, 2018 8:32pm
  - itstricky
    
    What’s the difference between Hobson’s Pledge and 1Law4All?
    
    To get to the other side?
    
    Boo Who?
    
    Something about grumpy old grey powers?
    
    Oh, I give up, what’s the punchline?
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:35pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I forgot about the One New Zealand Foundation. Between the three of them, are there any overlapping brain cells?
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:11pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        ‘I forgot about the One New Zealand Foundation. Between the three of them, are there any overlapping brain cells?’
        
        Well, one third of the One NZ Foundation is in jail for rape and arson – though according to Hobson’s Pledge he’s the victim of a frame up by the deep state. https://treatygate.wordpress.com/2013/11/30/why-im-not-deserting-allan-titford/
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:00pm
- itstricky
  
  Ah, the delicious contradiction of the blog’s biggest user of the words ‘stone age’ imploring everyone to “look to the future”
  
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  September 11, 2018 8:30pm
  - nasska
    
    You’d have to admit that the 4 to 5 centuries of NZ settlement prior to the arrival of the Pakeha weren’t kind to the Maori race. We are told that they left the Pacific islands as master seafarers, conservationists & agriculturalists yet by circa 1800 they wouldn’t venture out of sight of land, had wiped out the moa & a few other assorted species & most had forgotten how to grow kumara.
    
    The poor wretches were sitting around dressed in rotting sealskins, chewing on the last of the tribe next door & trying to remember how to make a stone axe.
    
    Seldom have a people regressed so far in so little time.
    
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    September 11, 2018 8:46pm
    - itstricky
      
      Hey, hey – enough of this looking back. Mr Brash tells us you should be looking forward.
      
      Looking forward, that is, to banning all martial arts; WWE; boxing; MMA and first person shoot-em-ups because they are “acts of aggression”.
      
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      September 11, 2018 8:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Where Mr Brash is concerned, perhaps we should be looking at banning “acts of incomprehension”.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:05pm
    - DigNap15
      
      And they were such great navigators that they cannot even tell us where they came from?
      Hawaii, Taiwan, Cook Islands? North America, Easter Island.
      
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      September 11, 2018 9:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s pretty well known that Maori migrated here from eastern Polynesia.
        But morons like you can’t be counted on to know much at all.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:38pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        ‘And they were such great navigators that they cannot even tell us where they came from?’
        
        Strange logic. The Hungarians arrived in their homeland about the same time the ancestors of Maori arrived in Aotearoa. They were great horsemen, but no one realised for centuries they came from the Ob River part of Siberia, until linguists made the connection. The ancient Britons were great masons, but the modern Britons don’t know what Stonehenge was supposed to do. History tends to be mysterious; that’s why we study it.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:48pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        ‘most Maori had forgotten how to grow kumara’
        
        It’s amazing what you learn on Kiwiblog. I suppose the hundreds of thousands of ‘kumara pits’ scattered across the north of the country must really have been, as the doyen of white nationalist archaeology in NZ Martin Doutre claimed, pits for druid-dowsers to stand in.
        
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        September 11, 2018 9:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But morons like you can’t be counted on to know much at all.
        
        I’ve never found that to be a technique that induces /encourages someone to learn more about a topic.
        
        Why not just answer the question and refer DigNap to some recent findings?
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ourchangingworld/audio/201754034/the-long-journey-to-aotearoa
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:06pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        Don Brash spoke for many conservative Pakeha when he aired the old myth about Moriori being an extinct pre-Maori people; and another outdated idea popular in the same circles, and no doubt at Kiwiblog, holds that Polynesians didn’t have the aquatechnology and navigational skill to settle Aotearoa and other islands intentionally, but were instead blown here by storms.
        
        This idea was up for debate in Western universities in the ’50s and ’60s, but it’s been discounted for many decades, owing to new evidence: the discovery of obsidian from the Bay of Plenty on Raoull Island and of archaic Maori artefacts on the Auckland Islands; the first DNA surveys in the late ’90s, which showed that Maori were descended from not less than fifty founding females; and Lisa Matisoo-Smith’s first DNA studies of rattus exuluns in 1998, which demonstrated that, unlike the Chathams and the Marquesas Islands, the main islands of NZ were not isolated in the centuries before contact with Europeans, but instead received furry visitors from several parts of the Pacific (rat DNA is a good guide to human exploration, because rats can’t swim across the Pacific by themselves).
        
        Hopefully a few Kiwibloggers are watching Sam Neill’s new series about Cook and the Pacific, and seeing the extent of Polynesian knowledge of the ocean. Cook’s Tahitian translator and navigator Tupaia drew hm a map which showed fourteen different islands, some of them thousands of miles from his homeland.
        
        I have a personal interest in all this, as I’ve just been looking at stone carvings that Hawai’ians made in northern Tonga about 1500-1600 AD. History is glorious… https://twitter.com/SikotiHamiltonR/status/1022287051314540544
        
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        September 11, 2018 10:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Scott Hamilton’s posts on Kiwiblog are usuallly worth reading.
        
        But, Scott, it’s inaccurate and misleading to say, as you do in your 9.48 post:
        
        “The Hungarians arrived in their homeland about the same time the ancestors of Maori arrived in Aotearoa. They were great horsemen, but no one realised for centuries they came from the Ob River part of Siberia, until linguists made the connection.”
        
        Not true. You’re bending facts to support your argument about history of Polynesian migration. You are very enthusiastic about Polynesia culture, and I think this at times can can bend your analysis.
        
        Hungary, of course, means “land of the Huns”. When Attila died leading the Huns against the Roman Empire in 453 AD, the Huns were well known to have come from east of the Volga. That is, from Siberia.
        
        The historian Edward Gibbon, who died in 1794, wrote that the Huns were the descendants of the non-Han Chinese Xongiu tribes, which who were driven west (into central Asia and Siberia) by the Chinese a century or two before the Huns attacked the Roman Eastern Empire.
        
        Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, and several Russian minority Uralic languages have long been known to be of one language family. The closest languages to Hungarian are Khansy and Mansi, both of which are spoken east of the Urals – that is, in Siberia.
        
        I presume DNA research has, or will confirm what language analysis shows – it usually does.
        
        Of course the Huns were famous horsemen. So were the Scythians and the Alans, who were either the same as, or were closely related to, the Huns. Everyone on the vast east European plains and west Siberian plains were either horsemen or were from further north and used reindeer for transport.
        
        Incidentally, it’s interesting that DNA links have been found between Scottish people and a Siberian tribe.
        
        With a surname like Hamilton, I suspect you have Scottish genes, Scott. You may be distantly related to indigenous Siberians, who are now greatly outnumbered by ethnic European Siberians.
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3342804/Orkney-Islanders-have-Siberian-relatives.html
        
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starboard

Is mouldy stone age language week over yet..?

Flush it down the shithouse where it rightfully belongs..

Bawhahahaha …
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September 11, 2018 9:06pm
- Scott Hamilton
  
  ‘Is mouldy stone age language week over yet..?
  Flush it down the shithouse where it rightfully belongs..’
  
  I see another member of the master race is showing his superiority on Kiwiblog.
  
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  September 11, 2018 9:53pm
  - starboard
    
    Looks like you’re on your own there scotty my boy, Come on over to the bright side
    
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    September 11, 2018 10:44pm
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      It certainly is fascinating how the people most keen to assert their superiority over other ethnic groups seem least deserving of the badge of superiority. Starboard’s put down of Maori reminded me of the effusions of a drunken skinhead.
      
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      September 11, 2018 11:16pm
      - starboard
        
        Scott Hamilton..do you wear an over-sized tiki around your neck? You know, those ridiculous looking slabs of over-sized greenstone that look silly on white guilt ridden middle aged men like yourself. You do, don’t you.
        
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        September 12, 2018 1:07am
starboard

…Bawhahahhhaa..!
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September 11, 2018 9:08pm
starboard

Another day, another brown thief comes to light..

Kia Kaha lol

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106990992/woman-fleeces-11k-from-strokeaffected-uncles-bank-account
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September 11, 2018 9:13pm
starboard

We know, dont we

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106987638/auckland-man-charged-with-raping-his-partner-over-three-years
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September 11, 2018 9:15pm
Scott Hamilton

With respect, Jack5, you’re mistaken about the link between Attila the Hun and modern Hungarians. The Huns had disappeared from history centuries before the Hungarians had their ethnogenesis. While both hail from central Asia, a vast area, there’s no proof of a historical connection. The scholarly consensus until the middle of the 19th century was that the Hungarians were descended from the Sythians – it was quite a surprise when, as you say, the linguistic connection to Siberia, and in particular the Ob River valley, was found.
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September 12, 2018 8:00am
- Jack5
  
  Scott, old pal,. Herodotus in the 5th century BC wrote of the Yugra people living west of the Ural Mountains. This is where still are the Mansi and Khanty people of Russia, whose language is the Hungarian language’s nearest kin.
  
  I can’t see how it’s surprising that there’s a linguistic connection between Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, the various Finnic peoples of Russia, and a tribe in Siberia.
  
  At least not as surprising as finding a Siberian-Scottish link.
  
  Scott, please keep your posts coming on Tonga, the Chathams, and NZ pioneer days. A possible topic: the many Australians who came to NZ as militia men and son on – were there “ticket of leave” (paroled) convicts among them?
  
  Another: the varying physiques of Polynesian people – why are Tongans such giants?
  
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  September 12, 2018 10:32am
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Interesting new study of Hungarian DNA here, Jack5:
    http://publicatio.bibl.u-szeged.hu/10604/1/Vegleges_cikk_u.pdf
    Without question they’re from Siberia; but Siberia is very large, and there doesn’t seem a link with the Huns. Having said that, the Huns vanished as a people a long time ago, so it’s difficult to completely rule out. But the Ob River valley seems to be the linguistic homeland, and as you note the Finns and Estonians and Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia are all relations. I believe that Hungarian nationalists and fascists have been very much opposed to the notion that their ancestors were fisherfolk from Siberia: they asserted what they considered a more virile ancestry, that went back to peoples like the Mongols. Turianism was a sort of pan-central Asian ideology, popular amongst Hungarian fascists, that south to unite everyone from Magyars to Japanese against the Slavs and the Western Europeans.
    
    I might have some Siberian ancestry; I did a DNA test a couple of years ago and the results suggested I had a small amount of either Russian or Finnish blood. But I think it’s more likely that the Polynesians rather than the Scots have a link to the indigenous peoples of Siberia. Certainly there are strong connections culturally between the Austronesians who had their ethnogenesis on the coast of China and in Taiwan about 8,000 years ago and the Siberian peoples, who of course also supplied the population of the Americas, via the Bering Strait. I think Siberian shamanism has some intriguing similarities with Austronesian and eventually Polynesian religion.
    
    Some scholars have suggested Polynesians are so tall partly because of natural selection on long sea journeys: the little people died of exposure. But this woldn’t explain why, for example, the I-Kiribtai and Marshallese, who were skillful and daring sailors, are less tall. The rich farming economy in pre-contact Tonga – Cook likened the island of Tongatapu to Holland, because of its gardens – may have helped stature.
    
    I just did a piece about Tonga’s attempt at a five star hotel, and the curious culture there:
    http://eyecontactsite.com/2018/09/art-on-an-urban-atoll
    
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    September 12, 2018 12:14pm
Scott Hamilton

‘white guilt ridden middle aged men like yourself’

Starboard hates Polynesians, and thinks that any Pakeha that doesn’t feel hatred must feel misery and guilt. I find that dichotomy baffling. I’m having a great time studying the ancient art of the Pacific and drinking kava…
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