General Debate 04 September 2018

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Captain Mainwaring

Bridges got a thrashing in the media for apportioning about $120,000 worth of Ministerial limousine expenses to his productive six-week tour of the country.
Cindy manages to spend a similar amount in two days on a totally unnecessary trip by Air Force 757 to Nauru when the Minister for such things is already there. It can’t be a crucial meeting if the Australian PM can’t be bothered going.
And on Wednesday when both of them are in Nauru who’s going to answer the PM’s questions in the house? Surely not the Kelvinator?
Worst. Government. Ever.
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September 4, 2018 8:01am
- Viking2
  
  It will be a fun meeting when she gets there. She wants to raise the number of immigrants and Peters stated that “it ain’t going to happen until we fix up the problems we have at home”.
  Blindsided her completely. As I said;
  FUN TIMES IN THE COL.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:07am
  - igm
    
    There is no mention of this in Fairfax or NZME, so Little must still control subs via his union.
    This Crockery-faced illegitimate unelected joke (reminds me of Precious Pup) must be held accountable . . . it has no respect for commerce or employed people, showing this by squandering their taxes on degenerates and wasters.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Speaking of Peters, who else noticed what he looked and sounded like when he got off the plane at Nauru?
    Like some old coot staggering out of the pub at 2 in the morning.
    Air Force One must have a good supply of single malt.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:16am
  - Paulus
    
    Yes – it appears that now Cindy has met her Nemesis called Winston on increased Refugees. The Greens will be spitting tacks.
    She said on RNZ this morning when asked that Cabinet had not discussed (had a conversation) on the subject of increased Refugees.
    Does she not realise that Winston put her where she is and she will get nowhere with him.
    What Winston wants he gets so STFU.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:27am
    - KevOB
      
      Winston: “No increase in refugees”!
      Jacinda: “Cabinet haven’t discussed it, but we have started rebuilding at Mangare–we’ll have some from Taranaki a bit later”.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:36am
    - Maxx
      
      Winston will be conflicted with this. On one hand, he doesn’t want refugees, on the other hand, getting one up on the Aussies and pissing them off is a win. Whats a Winston to do?!??!
      
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      September 4, 2018 12:37pm
  - Scott
    
    I do agree with Winston Peters on the specific issue of refugees. Labour has gone out of its way to upset Australia, to indirectly upset America, on this issue of refugees.
    Meanwhile do NZers really want to take in more refugees? It will be 3rd world types, probably all Muslims, who don’t fit in well here and in reality don’t like it here, and see us as a backdoor to get back to Australia!
    
    Plus Labour were voted in on the promise to bring down immigration. And now they want to bring in more refugees!
    
    NZ wants less immigration. We don’t want to become a 3rd world country with the influx of thousands of people from the 3rd world.
    Let’s look after our own people first. And stop bringing in thousands of foreigners to replace us.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:31am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Scott,
      
      “It will be 3rd world types, probably all Muslims, who don’t fit in well here and in reality don’t like it here, and see us as a backdoor to get back to Australia!”
      
      Can you document that or is it trough the filters of your bigotry and fear?
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:06am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Whats wrong with bigotry and fear?
        
        I don’t like them as they offer nothing, either personally or towards the collective good. They despite and hate me seeing the soft touch offered by the collective soft bellied socialists currently holding the change purse.
        
        I hate them because I fear what they bring and if that makes me a bigot, then so be it. I have, I believe, a well founded fear for my children’s children.
        
        There, I have said it for you; feeling better? Rant away, I don’t give a shit.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:17am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Can you document that Scott’s claim is wrong?
        Sources and References please.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:19am
      - Philview
        
        I saw a documentary on Greece the other week which coincided with the refugee crisis. The presenter stopped to chat to some refugees and interviewed a Muslim lady. Next thing, she was accused of dishonouring her family by talking to a western male and she was dumped from her family just like that. There is no hope in hell of assimilating men like that into the West.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:24am
      - BassilFawlty
        
        Do your own research goat shagger.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:30am
      - sooty
        
        What do you have tt say about the two muslim lesbian women getting flogged, stupidboy.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:38am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        More importantly, what does our fake refugee parliamentarian have to say?
        
        Will she to taking those doing the flogging to task?
        
        Crickets
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:11am
      - Jack5
        
        Middle East Christians all but shut out of the international refugee chain:
        
        https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:18pm
    - cas
      
      I have heard from someone who has detailed knowledge on Nauru that a lot of the refugees there initially have gone to the USA. Which suggests that those left are what the US of A doesn’t want. i suppose Winston has heard this too.
      
      And isn’t there still an option for those in refugee camps on nauru and Manus to be repatriated to their country of origin. I doubt whether there is a real threat if they retrn, just an economic one.
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:26am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I am always amused to see the occasional armed forces recruiting ads on the TV calling for young people to “protect what we value in NZ” while at the same time another branch of the State allows colonists from Western/Far Eastern-hating cultures into New Zealand (who will have the right to bring in family members in time).
      The root of the problem is that “protect what we value in NZ” is only a notion; it is never defined.
      Were this nation to become an Islamic state, then “protect what we value in NZ” would still be equally valid for a national defense force to aim for. The values to be protected would be totally different, but since the values were never defined, it doesn’t really matter…
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:53am
      - kowtow
        
        Ody
        
        The UK want more Muslims in the army.
        
        ‘The British Army has released a new advert showing a Muslim soldier praying as it defied critics of an inclusive recruitment campaign which critics have called ‘politically correct’.’
        
        ‘The new film, called Keeping My Faith, shows a soldier taking off his helmet and kneeling down in prayer while his comrades wait respectfully nearby.’
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5267601/Army-advert-shows-Muslim-soldier-praying.html
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:25am
  - backster
    
    Hate to say it but Peters has the right priorities.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:47am
- Surely Knott
  
  Bridges using the company cars for legitimate company purposes Media says “Simon Bridges is spending up large – using taxpayer funding to pay for his limousine.” Jacinda books a special trip for her to use the plane at a different time Grant R. and Jacinda say…..those planes and drivers are existing assets so it’s not really an extra cost they need the flying miles anyways! Errrr aren’t the crown cars existing assets owned by the government not Simon Bridges limousines. Anyways, it’s different when the left do it.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:08am
- pdm
  
  The Kelvinator, as you call him, wasn’t even allowed to talk to Hoskings – so no way will they trust him in the house this afternoon.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:10am
  - niggly
    
    Perhaps Robbo will step up (as they shove Kelvin back into the broom cupboard).
    
    The only problem for Robbo then becomes, who pulls his strings (for a change)?
    
    Betcha Robbo wouldn’t want Angry Andy to do so (he might finally get his revenge at last)!
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:40am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Witless protection?
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    He will have a cardboard card to hold up at Question Time as pioneered by the wrinkled prune.
    
    One side will be blank, the other side will be blank also so it does not matter which side he shows as it will be a true reflection of his answer to any question asked without having to think which side of the board is showing. All reinforced by his stunned mullet expression!
    
    Jim Hensen is missing a Muppet.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:22am
- oldpark
  
  It is starting to filter out that the latest cost to fly Peters NZS PM Ardern’s return to Nauru on Wednesday has now been re-calculated up to an amount of circa $350,000 Dollars. Her duties there is to be part of a gang of freeloaders at an organised sit down four course meal,when the talk fest is concluded.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:17am
  - RF
    
    I hear she will be the trolley dolly on the flight up there and then take drink orders at the meal after the talk fest.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:21am
    - Paulus
      
      She has to serve he own milk as she is the only passenger on the flights.
      No wonder Stupid Little Girl – no idea.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:30am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Not a girl, she is a womanly age.
        
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        September 4, 2018 2:16pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      What will she do as the trolley dolly if someone asks for something not on the fish and chip menu?
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:25am
    - Longknives
      
      “I hear she will be the trolley dolly on the flight up there ”
      
      Will she get to take the uniform home for Clarke?
      
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      September 4, 2018 10:15am
  - Komata
    
    Oldpark: To look on the bright side, it’s a good navex for the RNZAF….
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:45am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    A $350,000 virtue signalling trip by the Minister for Child Poverdy. Surely not.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:22am
  - cmm
    
    Well I don’t see any problem with this.
    
    Nobody would complain if Bob Jones flew somewhere in his plane. This is just sexism and mumism!
    
    The country’s biggest employer and biggest philanthropist should be allowed some luxuries.
    
    She gave away billions of her money with 2018 tertiary education is “On me”.
    
    Why should she be denied a flight in her jet?
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:02am
    - sooty
      
      I thought it was Ron Air!
      
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      September 4, 2018 12:29pm
- artemisia
  
  The extra trip to Nauru may have a valid explanation, even if a tad thin.
  
  But this is politics, perception is everything.
  
  If the PM and her advisers don’t get that, what do they do all day?
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:18am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    The perception they are after is that she cares.
    
    Her supporters don’t care about dollars because there’s plenty more where those came from.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:31am
  - Lance
    
    This comes hard on the heals of refusing to fly a seriously ill NZ woman home. A perfect storm of events exposing their hypocrisy.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:56am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Anyone seen Tova O’Brien?
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Assume Tova is in Nauru of course still looking for a new job !
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:31am
    - Harkman
      
      Cindy’s speech writer perhaps?
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:07am
  - Tricati
    
    Just filling up on another dose of hypocrisy as the Simon Bridges load has run out.
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:47am
- VicParking
  
  But they fly models all over the world in private jets for Photo shoots so just a short trip to Nauru for one should be no trouble. Anyway I have a gap in my busy schedule of school photo shoots so a quick trip to Nauru to get away from the insistant crying at home will do me the world of good. Its a pity I cant take Neve with me but she sleeps most of the time so she will just have to put up with it. Come on summer so I can send the cry baby out fishing so Neve and I can have time alone. I’m getting sick of all that Almond milk as well.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:26am
- redeye
  
  7 photo opps in 12 hours. It’s blatantly obvious this is about boosting her CV for her UN application. Soper has it right for once.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118650
  “When she does arrive in Nauru, we’ll be left in no doubt she’s there with no fewer than seven photo ops in her busy diary for her 12 hours of appointments on the ground with little chance, it would seem, for her to see the desperate refugees she’s forever talking about.“
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:38am
  - VicParking
    
    Photo Shoot 3 and 4 with REfugees
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    The Prime Minister for Manus Island sure gets around!
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:08am
- Sofia
  
  On Simon Bridges original travel “controversy” – since Government cars are apparently charged out at different rates depending on their use – why has a so-called investigative journalist (possibly a near extinct breed, if indeed any remain) not worked out what Jacinda would have payed for the same travel?
  
  Now that her travel is questioned a little, it would be nice to compare apples actually with apples, sort of.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:39am
  - Tricati
    
    Maybe that’s why the MP’s travel costs have really been delayed – I call bullshit on it taking 4 weeks to add a missing month to their accounts
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:49am
- SGA
  
  It can’t be a crucial meeting if the Australian PM can’t be bothered going.
  
  Probably worried that he won’t be PM by the time he got back 🙂 🙂 🙂
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Apparently they are building a new longer corridor in Canberra to hold all the pictures of past Australian PM’s. Long corridor, doesn’t go anywhere, sort of like an Australian PM’s future.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:29am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  And on Wednesday when both of them are in Nauru who’s going to answer the PM’s questions in the house? Surely not the Kelvinator?
  
  That’d be Grant Robertson, but to be fair, he also answers the PM’s questions for her while she is actually in the house, so no change there!
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:29am
- cmm
  
  Thanks for leading from the front Jacinda! Show us what’s important.
  
  As Cindy has told us, climate change is the biggest issue in our time and she’s going to make a difference!
  
  And wow has she made a difference!
  
  A 757 slurps approx 4.8kg of fuel per km. A round trip to Nauru is approx 9000km. Total burn is 43200kg of fuel. About 51400 litres.
  
  Kinda makes me feel inadequate with my ecosystem-killing SUV using 0.07 to 0.08 litres per km
  
  Each litre of fuel generates approx 2.1 kg of CO2, so that’s approx 108 tons of CO2.
  
  That’s more CO2 than a herd of cows generates in a year. They will, however be producing a lot more value (and milk) than her!
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:33am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Shame Cindy cancelled the oil and gas industry… What will she run her airforce on? I wonder how far her batty operated electric 757 would get? Or perhaps a slingshot would hurl the jet to Ngaru, and save all the greenhouse emissions. ?
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:46am
krazykiwi

The media are starting to hold this government to account.

At last!

They must smell blood.
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September 4, 2018 8:03am
- sooty
  
  But who’s blood?
  Jacinda?
  Clare Curran?
  Meka Whaitiri?
  David Parker?
  Come on Kelvin, nows your chance. Lead a coup!
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:12am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Kelvin thinks a coup is something for chickens.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:17am
    - kowtow
      
      He thinks a coup is an animal that can get M Bovis.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:24am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I am impressed that you think Kelvin thinks!
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:30am
    - KevOB
      
      Wait till he meets H1 & H2 come to take back power.
      Jacinda’s lot if they continue may kill off the Labour Party. Urgent action may be quietly underway to prevent that.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:43am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s leaking out of the Beehive.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:40am
- secondcumming
  
  Even Barry Soper’s changed his tune and is putting the boot in……Heather must have got in his ear!
  
  My missus reckons it’s either that, or she’s threatened to withhold confidence and supply.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:18am
  - freethinker
    
    Mainly supply I reckon.
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:15pm
- niggly
  
  “The media are starting to hold this government to account. ”
  
  Sure Newstalk ZB, Stuff, NZH, and Mediaworks are – they have all run critical stories.
  
  One media outlet didn’t yesterday. Guess who?
  
  NZ’s “biggest” media brand.
  
  That’s right, TVNZLP (the TV propaganda arm of the NZ Labour Party), all they said on last night’s 6pm news in relation to the Pacific Forum and as a final note was ….. “the PM will be attending on Wednesday”!
  
  What’s the bet only a TVNZ journalist will accompany the PM on tomorrow’s 757 flight and will be filing gushing stories!
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:46am
- rockape
  
  I bet Jacinda is only going overseas to avoid question time this week. It may put her back in the mental health wing!
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So an analogy would be:
  CoL = USS Indianapolis
  Media = Tiger Sharks
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

This Government needs to figure out who is the spokesperson on immigration Numbers.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/365603/labour-and-nz-first-differ-over-refugee-increase
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September 4, 2018 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  The government “had already started boosting capacity at the Māngere Refugee Resettlement”
  
  I wonder if that capacity boost has overtaken Kiwi Build’s housing for ordinary NZers?
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:06am
  - VicParking
    
    I wonder how the Budget for the capacity got through Cabinet or was it another Iain Lees-Galloway captains call
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Stuff, 18th May:
    
    The Government included $7.7 million to build and operate two new accommodation blocks as well as an additional $6.2m in operating funding over the next four years for the Auckland centre in the budget. The development is expected to be finished by May next year, and will provide up to 80 additional beds on top of the existing 196 at the centre.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:38am
    - VicParking
      
      Were are the other 1224 going to sleep (Sky City?)
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:35am
    - marcw
      
      So 80 new beds for immigrants (not NZers), and 18 KiwiBuild private developer houses for homeless Kiwis in the same time.
      
      Priorities, or the Twyford effect?
      
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      September 4, 2018 10:24am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Quite right, isn’t the centre good enough for homeless nzers, by the time the prayer room is removed, a whole suite of bedrooms could be fitted out.
        
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        September 4, 2018 2:24pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Mangere refugee centre will be reopened next week by Twyford and will count towards the kiwibuild total.
    
    Did anyone notice the flicker on the counter on the sidebar when Twyford opened that kiwibuild house sold to the government by a developer?
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:33am
  - freethinker
    
    Won’t be difficult as Twitford has only produced one new house only 99,999 to go.
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:17pm
- Happychappy
  
  Winston must be down in numbers on his internal polls Maggie so it will be interesting how Jacinda handles him or are they prepared to swallow a bucket full of dead rats with the embarrassment of going back on a policy that these Leaders of other Countries expect her to honour.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Winston’s right on this one.
  
  He’ll probably lose though as Cindy is off to the UN shortly and will need to show the world how compassionate we are by increasing our intake of future terrorists , sex offenders and unemployables…..
  
  However we can’t have a housing crisis if we’re bringing in so many more who will need social housing. Madness.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:09am
  - wiseowl
    
    The big worry is the UN Compact on Immigration.
    NZ First should be dead against the UN taking over our immigration policy decisions.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    Winny is the boss, she’s just a figure head, like one of them carvings on the front of a boat. How can she turn around and over ride whinny’s preformance on tv. Things are not going to end wll for her. Is this the begining of the end?
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      A figurehead is a carved wooden decoration found at the prow of ships, generally of a design related to the name or role of a ship.
      
      There we have it; a fool leading a ship of fools.
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:36am
    - Piniwi
      
      Well sooty judging by the key people in the COL during OQT were all wearing a wreath around their necks they might been sending a signal. Then when they stood to answer questions they muttered some gibberish in the absence of English from nerves we might imagine. Guess they might look as stupid as they are showing us with every other move.
      
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      September 4, 2018 7:06pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I agree kowtow but being the hypocrite Peters is he must have had some bad polling figures to pull this stunt while he is out of NZ with only Jacinda to face. You install Weakness to lead the coalition and hope you are able to control its destiny but Peters will come unstuck by waiting for it to suit his narritive to spring his surprises. Sooner than later the voter will say no to his antics and rid the leech and his Party from Parliament.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:22am
    - Paulus
      
      It was Cindy who decided that she could/would not travel with Peters and the full party to travel on her own.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:34am
  - Simon
    
    The Prog Princess off to the UN in time. Much sooner than later.
    
    Looked this up and these pieces of UN shit do not even have to pay income tax on their salary.
    
    Section 61(50) – Income Exempted by Another Act: A New Zealand resident
    was employed by the United Nations and stationed overseas. She asked if her
    United Nations salary was taxable in New Zealand. She was on leave without
    pay from a New Zealand employer, and she owned a home in Wellington.
    Under section 61(50), income expressly exempted by another Act is exempt from
    income tax. This salary is exempted by clause 14(b) of the Diplomatic Privileges
    (United Nations) Order 1959 (No 51), which was an Order in Council made
    under the Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Act 1968
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:59am
MrLovebucket

Anyone got a link showing the silly little girls face when Winston dropped his immigration clanger in Nuie?
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September 4, 2018 8:04am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Nauru I mean… And Whats this I hear about two planes going over? Is that because her team are already sick of listening to her vacuous empty talk and would rather take other transport?
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:08am
  - pdm
    
    MrLoveb – I think it is the same plane – two trips.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:13am
- RF
  
  She was talking through very clenched teeth when questioned about Peters bombshell.
  
  She was not a happy turkey.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:26am
  - sooty
    
    Is she the christmas turkey?
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:44am
- igm
  
  MrLove: SLG’s face will look like a horse eating Scotch thistles when she hears this Peter’s clanger!
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:32am
  - Longknives
    
    “SLG’s face will look like a horse eating Scotch thistles when she hears this ”
    
    So an improvement then?..
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:17am
    - sooty
      
      She’s a woman of many faces. Some of them are not pretty. Should only be used for radio! The media is starting to run some of them, so the gloss is coming off the turd.
      
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      September 4, 2018 12:38pm
  - realityczech
    
    “SLG’s face will look like a horse eating Scotch thistles when she hears this”
    
    LOL 🙂
    
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    September 4, 2018 12:41pm
Chris2

$80,000 – $100,000 just so Ardern can take her baby to Nauru for 1 day (Australian PM is not attending).

It would be cheaper if the Government bought her a breast pump.
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September 4, 2018 8:05am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Think of the C.V. for the U.N. job and besides, poverdy and homelessness are cured now.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The baby is not going to Nauru. The reason she has to go later is because she can only express enough milk for 36 hours (apparently).
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:14am
  - sooty
    
    Stick her tit in a ringer!
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:19am
  - secondcumming
    
    God that bloody Clarke’s useless!!
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:22am
  - Chris2
    
    Thanks for the clarification. Still an extra $100k just so her child can remain on breast milk. Utterly appalling that tax-payers are picking up this expense.
    
    Entitlitis has well and truly set in.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The baby can remain on breast milk if it is expressed
      (breast milk can be frozen and stored for occasions when mum is not around).
      
      The baby could be sent to a wet nurse… as Chuck suggested yesterday.
      
      I wet-nursed another mum’s baby – 1 day/week for a number of months…no problems.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:42am
      - niggly
        
        Good point, didn’t Clark say he had plenty of girlfriends that could assist?
        
        Ooops slight flaw in that plan, they must be all single rather (as opposed to being new mothers), if so Jacinda must have shot that idea down!
        
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        September 4, 2018 8:52am
    - Komata
      
      Chris2: But won’t the ‘Remuera Mummies’ love her for her ‘Brave sacrifice for her darling child’? This has Women’s Mags all over it. No doubt the RNZAF aircrew will have their own thoughts…
      
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      September 4, 2018 11:01am
  - Woz
    
    That’s fucking expensive breast milk. For fuck’s fucking sake. Pardon my French, but I mean, for fuck’s sake. Couldn’t the Gaylord have fed it formula for a day or two? How about hiring a wet nurse?
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:13am
    - howitis
      
      Lots of options but of course the S.L.G. will take the worst option.
      -She closed down oil and gas so that the net result will be greater carbon emissions.
      (like a ‘single use’ flight to Nauru for one bimbo)
      -She talks to school kids about NZ policy for adults.
      -She banned plastic bags despite a very robust set of activity on this very matter occurring in Australia right now that we could learn from.
      
      Learning ain’t her game.
      Ignorance is.
      Michael Jackson would have had a field day with this one.
      
      Options:-
      1. Wet nurse (or JAG could ‘cycle’ over on her e e-bike 🙂 )
      The kid would get a break from the tainted juice of a nervous Nelly
      2. Formula. Less of an option but a $20 tin is waaay less than $100,000 of fossil fuel.
      3. Use a Milk bank. Or in fact there (surely) will be plenty of her misty eyed supporters who would step up with direct or indirect supply.
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/340364/breast-milk-bank-considered-for-auckland
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/92184724/breast-milk-donations-prove-popular-on-social-media?rm=m
      
      If the S.L.G. truly was a leader she would expedite a milk bank in Auckland (there is one in ChCh) but this would actually be something useful …so unlikely.
      The 10 year olds at Kowhai Intermediate did not ask her to start one.
      
      I think it boils down to this:-
      There are plenty of viable options but Ardern is simply too dumb to work through them .
      Just like with ‘single use’ plastic bags this B.A. from Waikato is too dumb to make simple logical decisions and has being lying for too long to be able to stop when caught out.
      
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      September 4, 2018 11:51am
- VicParking
  
  No taking the Baby.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:33am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not taking the baby, that is why she needs to get back, I don’t think that she needs to go.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:40am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  She has one, builds decks in his spare time. Pity the neighbours when the spare time was 2.00am.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:38am
- igm
  
  Just a little incorrect there. It would not be the Government buying Gnashers a breast pump . . . it would be once again, overburdened taxpayers!
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:59pm
Monique Watson

Who Let the Dogs out:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12118713

NRL playoffs with Bulldogs players photographed throwing up and naked
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September 4, 2018 8:06am
oldpark

Seems the cost of” fake news” has become more expensive. That bastion of fake news Dominion Post full of left wing lunatics have increased the price again now $2.80 . Fake news in that sycophantic nespapers follower of Peters selected Coalition of Corruption and Chaos are deliberately ignoring the real truth and anecdotal evidence in the country .That “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern Peters selected NZs PM cant stand the heat in the kitchen. What is going on.
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September 4, 2018 8:08am
- sooty
  
  They put the price up because not so many people are buying it.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:21am
  - Prince
    
    The propaganda will continue until morale improves.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The advertising revenue will decrease further when it doesn’t.
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:40am
- igm
  
  With this latest increase their ABC figures should drop further, they then get screwed in advertising rates, so should be close to the final death knell for the left-wing losers.
  Hope Murdoch picks up the mess then we will see decent journos and a quality brand once more.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:21am
  - Prince
    
    Last ones out (Scott and Bowron) turn off the lights.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:26am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      If they continue with this logic, the circulation will eventually decrease to about ten, by which time each copy will cost about $100,000.
      That will certainly solve the problem.
      
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      September 4, 2018 10:05am
holysheet

Cindy with no brain

Sing along to the sound of America’s Horse with no name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAJ0l4OBHM

On the first part of my journey
 I was leader of the young commos
There were girls and boys, wine and beer 
There was sex and drugs and other things 
The first thing I met was a boy with fuzz 
And the rest is history 
The heat was hot and the ground was dry 
But the air was full of sound

I’ve been through the world as Cindy with no Brain 
It felt good to be out in the glare 
In the media you can forget your lines 
‘Cause there ain’t no one really gives a shit
 La, la, la, la, la, la
 
After two weeks in the Morrinsville chippy
 I was already a commerce  leader
After six weeks at waikato uni 
I was sure I knew it all 
So I spent most of my time on the piss

You see I’ve been through the world as Cindy with no Brain
 It felt good to be out in the glare 
In the media you can forget your lines 
‘Cause there ain’t no one really gives a shit
 La, la, la, la, la, la

With the new Baaaybeee I’ve got it made
No one can touch me now
But the poor suckers will still give you their vote
Stupid is as stupid does

You see I’ve been through the world as Cindy with no Brain  
It felt good to be out in the glare
 In the media you can forget your lines 
‘Cause there ain’t no one really gives a shit 
La, la, la, la, la, la
la, la, la, la, la
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September 4, 2018 8:09am
secondcumming

Listening to the spokeswomin for *Amnesty International* on ZB this morning, she was saying that a large number of Manus detainees are now so traumatized, that a lot are self-harming…..and there are many suffering from what she described as ‘resignation syndrome’, where they refuse to even get out of bed in the morning!

Sounds to me that if Jacinda does manage to convince Australia to let us bring 1500 of them here, intergration shouldn’t be a problem, particularly in South Auckland.

I feel another phodo oppotunidy coming on….

https://i.imgflip.com/2h3ykx.jpg
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September 4, 2018 8:14am
- igm
  
  They would fit the Labour mould well.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  Australia is doing a great job in stemming the flow of illegal immigrants to this neck of the woods.
  
  A pity the rest of the west doesn’t have the same commitment to the welfare of their own citizens.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  No way Australia will allow that. The messaging to people smugglers would be to load up more boats.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:34am
  - wiseowl
    
    Australia have just signed a FTA with Indonesia.
    They included the provision for more immigrants from Indonesia able to work and study.
    The Minister said it would amount to thousands.
    Immigration should not be part of a FTA. Why does a country have an immigration policy, Minister etc.?
    There is a good story about this on macrobusiness.com.au
    Hugh will not acknowledge it.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:28am
- Harkman
  
  Amnesty International has one challenger for supreme idiot status, Oxfam. Every year Oxfam comes out with a statistic that the richest 200 own more that half the world’s population, but half the world’s population is under 18 so this phenomenon has likely always existed and perfectly explainable.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:14am
  - artemisia
    
    And of the other half, one or two have student loans, mortgages, hire purchase, credit cards …
    
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    September 4, 2018 12:56pm
VicParking

We burnt down our accomadation in the detention centre so now we have to sleep outside boo hoo.
It was better when I was in jail for assult. Boo hoo
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September 4, 2018 8:17am
- Harkman
  
  What would Darwin think of this? ?
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Actually he bro’ being interviewed complained that the camel shaggers wanted to burn down their accommodation and they banded together to prevent the arsonists getting their way.
  
  Now they know what is is be part of Neighbourhood Watch when the fereals are coming down your street and the bro’s are the target with the potential to loose something they have.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:47am
DigNap15

Its really time that Australia flew all those refugees back to where they came from.
With a free parachute. Just tell us when you want to jump out before we land in Afghanistan.
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September 4, 2018 8:21am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Do as Israel does and shoot the invaders – that will soon learn them.
  
  We have had enough of their bullshit sob stories. If you can’t create a country of your own worth living in – don’t steal the land our forefathers fought and died to bequeath to us:
  
  https://twitter.com/Alba_Risen/status/103596651274441523
  
  https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/status/1035980699113861120
  
  #Chemnitz (powerful powerful stuff going on over there)
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:25am
Chuck Bird

Seriously, why could not JAG be a wet nurse for her baby?
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September 4, 2018 8:27am
- holysheet
  
  No no no. Think of the baaaybeee. Neeve has got enough poison flowing through her body without getting more from JAG.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:33am
- igm
  
  She is probably trying to console the two dykes that got a caning for their disgusting chosen lifestyles.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:35am
- VicParking
  
  She could bike over to Premier house. Clarke would be creaming (Almond Milk?) in anticipation.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Woops….
  (see my comment above…)
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/general_debate_04_september_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2299046
  Yep, wet nursing works well.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:45am
GoVege

Is the lady who claims to have eaten an endangered native pigeon 2 weeks ago going to be prosecuted?
Or does she get a free pass because
1) she’s tangata whanau
2) her mum was Dame Whina?
She wants her race to have the right to hunt and eat endangered birds….but admits there are no kereru left in her area. They have to get them from up north where there are some left.
(Has it ever occurred to her WHY?)
I suppose she reckons no one will be politically incorrect enough (not to mention raaaacist enough) to charge her.
She’s probably right.
Goodbye kereru…..
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September 4, 2018 8:33am
- secondcumming
  
  According to Forest & Bird there’s only 15000 Kereru in the entire country!
  
  As Don Brash would say…. “Gone by lunch time”
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:40am
  - GoVege
    
    But they’re our favourite kai!
    And we do miss moa….
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:01am
  - mandk
    
    15,000 in the entire country?
    
    I don’t believe it. There must be that number around Wellington.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:20am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Slightly less than have ever been tied around Sonny Tau’s ample waist
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “According to Forest & Bird there’s only 15000 Kereru in the entire country!”
    
    If that’s the case they must all be in the Hutt Valley.
    No shortage of them here.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Lots in Daft Dunners too.
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:38am
      - Jack5
        
        They might be farmed easily.
        
        Another issue for the animal righters to fret about: cage-farm wood pigeons.
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:58am
- niggly
  
  I agree, that woman was appalling – it was all to do with cultural “entitlement” in her mind, she had no concept of further decimating the native wood pigeon population would result …. which makes things worse because it works against the current PC narrative that tribal Maori are guardians of the earth!
  
  Would love to have seen Forest and Bird or the Greens interviewed – but would it have caused them a dilemma? Save the kereru or be “racist” in opposing the views of the tangata whenua? 😉
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:00am
  - GoVege
    
    Fear of the “r” word will always take precedence over saving native species from extinction.
    “Guardians of the earth”, my ass….
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘tribal Maori are guardians of the earth’ because that arrangement worked so well for the Moa.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:51am
- igm
  
  Is the obese ex-Greeny dep-leader going to be prosecuted for thieving off taxpayers?
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:45am
Keeping Stock

Roll on 2pm, when Parliament resumes after the two-week recess.

I reckon Trevor Mallard is going to have to make some big decisions today. He will be getting a sheaf of letters from National MP’s today applying for urgent debates on all manner of issues; the Curran “sacking”, the Whaitiri standing-down, David Clark’s appointment of Steve Maharey without proper process, the borrowing that Robertson and Twyford have tried to conceal, and the PM’s back-flip on business confidence and her jet-limo service to Nauru – and that’s just off the top of my head!

There will also be pressure from National for Mallard to back down from his accusation that it was a National MP who leaked Bridges’ travel expenses, and that a National MP is so seriously mentally ill that Mallard had to can the Heron inquiry. With that all swirling around, he’ll be under immense pressure not to show any bias whatsoever today, so I will predict with confidence that he will grant an urgent debate to someone.

That will give National an opportunity today to hit the coalition with everything they’ve got. Winston isn’t here to ask smarmy supplementary questions, and if Grant Robertson gets to answer on behalf of the PM, hopefully he’ll lose his rag as sometimes happens when he is put under pressure.

Popcorn time!
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September 4, 2018 8:36am
- Paulus
  
  Mallard will shut it all down and allow Ministerial Statements lasting an hour or two.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:42am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    If Mallard tries to shut things down today, I reckon a no confidence motion might not be too far away.
    
    But realistically, Labour, and to a lesser degree NZF and the Greens need more than Trevor Mallard to get them out of this mess, which is entirely of their own making.
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Maybe Mallard will be holding the baby of the nation, a perfect foil as it is a sin to question the speaker when holding a baby.
      
      How did our Parliament ever descend to this Gilbert & Sullivaneske farce?
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:55am
- KevOB
  
  Its a pity we can’t have live feedback to the House.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:10am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    We do. Parliament TV
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:31am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Channel 31 on my Freeview.
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:55am
    - KevOB
      
      I would like to be able to offer the govt cheers, catcalls & interjections while I’m watching the sandpit on Chanel 31.
      
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      September 4, 2018 11:49am
Fletch

Utter, utter foolishness. The fkn idiots in Five Eyes want to end ALL encrypted end-to-end internet traffic. How is banking going to work? Purchasing via the internet? Securing your website?

The privacy of internet use is under threat, says internet protection agency InternetNZ, over reports the Five Eyes countries want to thwart end-to-end encryption.

New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the US and the UK – members of the Five Eyes group of nations – met for a conference last week to discuss “grave threats” online and ways to tackle illicit material being shared by the likes of terrorists.

One of the solutions put forward at the conference was to break end-to-end internet encryption, according to InternetNZ. Encryption is technology that translates data into unreadable code which is only decipherable by the user and those the user intends to share it with.

“Encryption provides important protection for all of us. We need encryption for things like online banking and booking travel safely,” said InternetNZ chief executive Jordan Carter in a statement on Monday.

“We need it to keep ourselves safe and secure online. Without it no one will have trust in the Internet.”

MORE –

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/09/five-eyes-call-to-end-internet-encryption-spooks-new-zealand-privacy-advocates.html
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September 4, 2018 8:36am
- KevOB
  
  This sounds like an indirect attack on banking control by the USA.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:12am
- cmm
  
  Well it’s one thing to make a statement and another to actually achieve it.
  
  You can’t break encryption with force. The only way to achieve this goal would be to make encryption illegal and prosecute anyone that uses it.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:17am
- meh
  
  They’ve tried that before. Anyone recall the Clipper chip?
  
  Good luck to them, they haven’t got a snowballs chance in hell of backdooring every programme / algorithm.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:45pm
Fletch

John Nolte from Breitbart on how the vulgar behavior of elites ruined two funerals..

Ogling, groping, racists, racism, accused-rapists, mean-girl snubs, inappropriate rants, cheap shots delivered to humiliate invited guests as the crowd roars its approval… No, this was not a sorority hazing or a prison riot or the last gasp of Ancient Rome; it was how America’s establishment behaved at the funerals for Aretha Franklin and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).

Here we are in an America with a roaring economy, manufacturing jobs are coming back (without a magic wand), the War on Terror feels like ancient history, we’re not launching stupid wars, Putin’s adventurism’s been halted, and North Korea has gone from launching missiles to arguing over how quickly it will denuclearize…

In other words, for the first time in 17 years, for the first time since those passenger planes hit the World Trade Center, we are at long last enjoying some well-deserved Peace and Prosperity.

But how did our self-appointed media and political elite spend the last few days? Lashing out at the man primarily responsible for America’s comeback while longing for the good ol’ days when they were in charge of endless wars and managing America’s decline.

And all of this happened at the most inappropriate venue imaginable: a funeral.

There is only one way to describe what we witnessed over the last few days. Basically, in front of the whole world, we watched those who piously lecture the rest of us about decency, decorum, and civility, bare their sorry asses.

Worth reading the whole thing –

https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/09/03/nolte-how-vulgar-media-political-elite-ruined-two-funerals/
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September 4, 2018 8:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Yet, yet, gasp! .. the President’s disapproval rating reaches an all-time high-60%,
  
  http://www.fox8live.com/2018/09/03/trumps-disapproval-rating-reaches-all-time-high/
  
  All on Wed, where are you?
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Oh look it’s Stephie, the boy with no ‘Brian’
    LOL
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:07am
  - Fletch
    
    According to Website FiveThirtyEight, based on all polls, Trump’s approval rating is 40.3% and disapproval is 54.4%. And if you change the dropdown at the top to “Poll of likely or registered voters”, the difference shrinks to 42.4% – 53.5%.
    
    If you look down at the comparison graphs of other presidents over the same period he is close to the approval ratings of Reagan, Clinton and Carter at the same point in their presidency.
    
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:27am
  - VicParking
    
    Obama’s was only 45% at his equivilent time as president so F**K of Stephie
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:43am
- Harkman
  
  Did you guys see the fake Stephen Miller twitter account? “Donald Trump wasn’t invited to John McCain’s funeral, because Republican presidents are usually not invited to democrat campaign rallies.”
  
  Or “In a positive twist, John McCain will no longer have to live a painful double life as a Republican, since all dead people are automatically registered Democrats.”
  
  Quite funny
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenMilIer/status/1036606880448176128
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:22am
  - VicParking
    
    Their biggest voting base
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:44am
    - axeman
      
      McCain: You are not invited to my funeral
      
      Trump: OK I’ll celebrate on the golf course then…
      
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      September 5, 2018 2:44am
sooty

Golly Gee, are you going to come out and support your sisters that are been flogged for carpet munching.
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September 4, 2018 8:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It was a public caning
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45395086
  
  Warning ladies:
  don’t sit in a car with another female in Malaysia
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, tsk, tsk, tsk.
    
    Quite right!. This type of thing is rife in cosmopolitan and diverse Gisborne?
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:55am
    - pentwig
      
      stupidthing
      you really do not possess a brain do you
      
      just so sad
      i can’t even LOL
      
      Thank goodness MW can rise up against your attempted bullying, and even cripples you when she bothers to give you an undeserved reply.
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:20am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Do you have a point
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:34am
      - sooty
        
        Give him one on a stick.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:51am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Aren’t Islamic countries just lovely. I can’t understand why people from the West aren’t clambering to get into them. Nor why their citizens want to get out of them. It must be the water quality.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep look at the pickies from the weekly Gaza protests . They turn everything to shit. Including the neighbourhoods they move to in western cities.
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6124659/Palestinian-protesters-flee-tear-gas-fired-Israels-armed-forces.html?mrn_rm=als1
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:44am
  - VicParking
    
    Shouldn;t be don’t sit on another female in a car in Malaysia
    
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    September 4, 2018 4:25pm
Chris2

The racist former maori MP Marama Fox, so used to unlimited travel and IT whilst an MP, all paid for by the taxpayer.

After losing her seat less than a year ago she sets up her own company and carries on spending, except now her company is being liquidated because she has not paid 1 cent of more than $70,000 owed to a self-employed travel agent and a small Masterton IT company. Some of the travel was for Tame Iti.

Fox should not be able to escape criminal charges by hiding behind her limited liability company, she ought to be charged with fraud.
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September 4, 2018 8:46am
- igm
  
  She possibly took her business advice from Fat Fairy!
  Shows why lefties should not be let near Treasury benches, they being incapable of operating small business ventures, without going arse up, even their expert Parker has gone broke . . . they are useless!
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:00am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Wendel Nissen on TV3 this morning demanding a living wage paid by all business. She announced she “paid a living wage to her 3 employees cause she could not have looked them in the eye otherwise.” She then goes on to say “my business failed because I’m useless at business.”
    Why work for yourself Wendel when you’re sooooo goood at telling everyone else how to do it successfully!!! ? ? ?
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:59am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Wendyl Nissen is a vacuous lush.
      I’ve always wondered why get get air time.
      
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      September 4, 2018 12:13pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Exactly Shaun, wondered the same thing myself. She is obnoxious and without a brain.
        
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        September 4, 2018 2:52pm
- Harkman
  
  To think only a couple of months ago she was prancing around on Dancing with the Stars making out she was noble person is just ridiculous.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:25am
- Woz
  
  Being a socialist lefty, she forgot one of the important fundamentals of running a business – generating an income.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:46am
  - igm
    
    Ask her what gross is on a balance sheet and she would look at you with that Mr Ed face. In fact, so would Fat Fairy . . . he would need to consult Alf.
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:48am
  - marcw
    
    Rule 101 of a successful business: Make a profit.
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:50am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      marcw profit is a two syllable word.
      It is a dirty word invented by filthy capitalists.
      You expect too much.
      
      Try: spend less than you earn.
      
      Oh wait …
      Earn.
      That’s a lesson for another day.
      
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      September 4, 2018 12:17pm
    - Komata
      
      Marcw: Shouldn’t it be ‘Make a CONTINUOUS profit’?
      
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      September 4, 2018 1:48pm
- freethinker
  
  Operating a business knowingly insolvent is an offense.
  
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  September 4, 2018 1:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So someone else has noticed that the Board of Antarctic Division seems a bit light on Science expertise.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/106779727/editorial-new-zealands-antarctic-efforts-need-to-be-refocused
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September 4, 2018 8:51am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, why not put your hand up given Botany’s key relevance in Antartic’s wastes?
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:57am
Rachael Membery

Australia’s new PM isn’t off the the Pacific preferring to deal with domestic matters presumably.

AM pundits reckon that it is a matter of mana that we need to be there, grandstanding comes to mind.

Is Winston suddenly not capable of managing a couple of days, he was deemed capable for six weeks.

I assume that Neve doesn’t need the same immunisations for her trip to America later in the month?
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September 4, 2018 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bainimarama isn’t attending either.
  
  He’s sent one of his ministers…
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/365593/bainimarama-no-show-at-forum
  
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  September 4, 2018 1:38pm
Sofia

I do hope that everyone – well, those who didn’t get it before, and especially green young Golriz Ghahraman – now understands what a facile sham Winston’s claim is, that his waka-jumping bill is to keep faith with voters and preserve the integrity of the party vote as they voted for, while he is still making up the Immigration policy that they also voted for.
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September 4, 2018 9:01am
Swifty

Really….. really?

This is the state of the nation if National was currently in government?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118587

I’m just a toiling foot-soldier, not a high-flying comms and PR whiz – but even I would be embarrassed to put my name to this superficial, smarmy, one-sided and subjective analysis such as this, and in the national media.

I’d expect better from my 15 year-old daughter.
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September 4, 2018 9:02am
- brett68
  
  That’s the “balance” article to offset the criticism of Ardern.
  
  Everytime there’s a negative article of the COL, 9 times out of 10 there will be some opinion piece from a left wing shill pointing out how shit National is.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:16am
- niggly
  
  It sure was a biased one-sided crap article (what would one expect when written by a self-confessed Labour/Greens party apparatchik), eg no mention of National’s extra superannuitant payments that were cancelled by the COL (replaced by the late, part time winter energy payments – he didn’t mention that aspect did he), no mention of National’s targeted approach to helping those struggling in life being cancelled by the COL, lying about National’s minimum wage increases, lying about transport infrastructure all being for Auckland under National etc etc etc.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:52am
  - igm
    
    As with Fairfax, APN is looking at ways of relinquishing involvement in print media in NZ. Wait till these left-wing so-called journos try and find jobs, they being as unemployable as the imbeciles they support.
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:54am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I knew better than to read it, I hope you have learned your lesson!
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:05am
- UpandComer
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12064840
  
  Yes I was going to cite this.
  
  Here is Mr Cormack on white and male privilege.
  
  How amazing it must be to be a deluded left winger bourne aloft by shared prejudice into these media positions?
  
  No doubt given his support for Genter he will be happy to relinquish his job at the Herald and at Cormack Draper to any of the brave minority type females i know. After all, its a truism that privileged men have to step aside.
  
  I bet if anyone checks they’ll find an anglicised last name. Hard to believe this person was ever in Bill English’s orbit.
  
  Had Bill won you’d have 4% growth and a reduction in social dysfunction unprecedented in its scope and low cost.
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:26pm
Komata

Swifty: He obviously had some Nat say no to him. Slightly bitter isn’t he..?
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September 4, 2018 9:13am
Notsofast

Here is an item on waste

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118448

I communicated

“It is notable that plastic bags do not feature in this waste, and this is because they are the only reusable product. New Zealand is victim of a massive hoax in the banning of this extremely light weight, easily disposable and logistically efficient invention. I would be pleased if you have any thoughts on this, and share my thoughts with your colleagues.”

If I have this wrong, I can’t for the life of me see where. I plan to buy my own from a Chinese importer.
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September 4, 2018 9:18am
- DigNap15
  
  Well done and well said.
  They are a marvelous modern hygenic, efficient invention.
  I bought mine from Trademe
  Apparently Office Max also has them.
  But yes you can buy them in bulk from AliBabas fro less than one cent each.
  If you ever get some printed I will buy some from you!
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:23am
- dave_c_
  
  The selectiveness of supermarket bags only, highlight the hypocracy and sheer cheek of those leading the charge to ban them
  I don’t hear them crying fowl as they pick up their loaf of bread – each loaf nicely packaged into a one time use – you guessed it – plastic bag. There are many examples of this, and I am at a loss to see what the underlying agenda is. Whats next ?
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:30am
  - marcw
    
    Those bread bags – NON recyclable plastic, unlike the PE reusable supermarket bags. Irony, as is the plastic bag used to deliver Pravda Herald and Socialist Stuff printed editions.
    
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    September 4, 2018 10:57am
- Notsofast
  
  To be fair on supermarkets, they have been handed this gift wrapped. They save money on the “single use” and make money on the bulky impossible to handle alternative.
  
  The appropriate solution would have been to make them slightly larger and stronger, and printed with a legend that encourages their diverse utility, emphasising it is illegal to discard them in the open, and so on.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:41am
DigNap15

Today’s Maori vocabulary word that I wanted to discuss is
Concerted
But sorry, once again its not in my dictionary
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September 4, 2018 9:19am
- Harkman
  
  I’m sick of the word Aotearoa.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:27am
  - dave_c_
    
    Indeed – it is bandied about nowadays as though it is the official name of this country. I’ve mentioned it before, and predicted we are being softened up for a name change possibly before xmas.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:32am
  - Notsofast
    
    I don’t understand this language game, but an interesting exercise is to put these letters randomly
    
    o p a u t
    
    to an English man, and say assemble into a word that sounds like the infamous Toepaw.
    
    Yep, TOPAU is the only workable solution.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:48am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I was motorcycling through the central North Island last weekend and noticed that the Macron Mercenaries had been busy placing sticky white macrons over vowels in the English place names, turning them into the Te Reo ones.
      If we are a bilingual nation, then logically we should have bilingual signs. (Of course, Te Reo would have to be on the top, and in a significantly larger font size.)
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:59am
      - Notsofast
        
        We are in the grip of revisionism, William Williams, Maunsell, and others defined what was first heard pronunciation. We are being lied to by a Maori group who want to piss Europeans off.
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:05am
      - Jack5
        
        Agreed, Odakyu-sen. This is political “sleight of sign”.
        
        Modern Maori can use macrons if they like – and other diacritics such as acutes, graves, tildes, cedillas, and umlauts. But pushing them into English for political purposes creates a new pidgin language – NZ Pidgin.
        
        These signs: is the Automobile Association complicit in the macron piginisation? I thought the AA was responsible for road signs. Hated “old white men” and “old white ladies” will comprise a large portion of AA membership. Should they rattle the AA’s chains?
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:43am
      - itstricky
        
        noticed that the Macron Mercenaries had been busy placing sticky white macrons over vowels in the English place names
        
        Like…?
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:16pm
      - freethinker
        
        So the English version is there so Maori understand the real meaning.
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky, like this: Kūmbāyā.
        
        Macrons are the the diacritics that go above letters, as you well know.
        
        Here’s another example: Āōtēārōā Mācrōnīā Sōcīētȳ’s NZ Pīdgīn award goes to Ītstrīckȳ.
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:47pm
      - itstricky
        
        Here’s another example
        
        Still harbouring your irrational fear of macrons?
        
        To clarify what I was questioning: Odakyu-sen – what is an example of an English place name that had a macron placed over it, that you witnessed?
        
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        September 4, 2018 2:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky, in the English language it’s usual to spell foreign names in English: Rome for Roma, Warsaw for Warszawa, Moscow for Москва, Hong Kong for 香港 and so on.
        
        That is, we use the English alphabet and English versions of the geographical name.
        
        If we want to spell names in the Maori language we use the Roman alphabet plus the diacritics adopted in modern times, such as the macron.
        
        When we have an English language newspaper mixing Maori and English, including by using Maori diacritics, that newspaper moves from printing in English to printing in NZ Pidgin.
        
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        September 4, 2018 3:44pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        To reply to itstricky.
        
        I saw a sign (originally “Taupo 65 km) that had been macronized to instead read “Taupō 65 km”.
        
        The English place name had been transformed by the little piece of white sticky tape into Te Reo.
        
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        September 4, 2018 6:42pm
      - itstricky
        
        The English place name
        
        Pretty simple. It’s not an English place name.
        
        Also, you said macron*s* on place name*s* – do you have any other examples?
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:57pm
      - itstricky
        
        When we have an English language newspaper mixing Maori and English, including by using Maori diacritics, that newspaper moves from printing in English to printing in NZ Pidgin.
        
        Because… we live in New Zealand. We don’t live in Russia, China, Taiwan or UAE. We live in New Zealand. New Zealand. The native land of the Maori people. New Zealand. Yes, New Zealand.
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:59pm
    - Notsofast
      
      There is a risk everywhere of confusion, even to emergency services. These additions are a grave mistake, the English language is the origin of Maori pronunciation, and this features no ornaments.
      
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      September 4, 2018 11:14am
  - DigNap15
    
    I sick of the organisations that call themselves Aotearoa this and Aotearoa that.
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:57am
    - Jack5
      
      The charge to rename New Zealand “Aotearoa” is led by State TV and State radio, but now the two newspaper chains have fallen into line.
      
      We can cancel newspaper subscriptions, but how do we stop our tax money going to State TV and Radio NZ Aotearoa?
      
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      September 4, 2018 10:35am
      - wiseowl
        
        For a start National should come out and say they consider our country is New Zealand.
        Put a stake in the ground.
        
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        September 4, 2018 10:44am
      - itstricky
        
        The charge to rename New Zealand “Aotearoa” is led by State TV and State radio, but now the two newspaper chains have fallen into line.
        
        Let me guess – they’re coming to your house and forcing it down your throat, just like Stuff was yesterday.
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Waste of time replying to Itstricky. He just repeats his initial assertion.
        
        FFS, Itstricky, why don’t you be honest and say you think the MSM is balanced and that New Zealand should be renamed “Aotearoa”?
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:33pm
      - itstricky
        
        Waste of time replying to Itstricky
        
        Why did you, then?
        
        why don’t you be honest
        
        Why don’t you be honest and just say that you like trading in over the top hyperbole every day?
        
        MSM is balanced
        
        For this particular topic, you haven’t proven in any way that it isn’t. You’ve just got out your violin and suggested Maori language is being “forced down your throat” when it’s nothing of the sort.
        
        New Zealand should be renamed “Aotearoa”
        
        I don’t think it should be, and I don’t think it is.
        
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        September 4, 2018 1:46pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky, tell you what. You take two subscriptions to the local daily newspaper to replace my subscription.
        
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        September 4, 2018 2:21pm
- VicParking
  
  Kua haahitia
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:50am
- Philview
  
  It would be interesting to know how many Maori words existed before the colonists arrived. Words for the 7 days of the week, 12 months of the year, New Year etc etc indicate a lot of their vocabulary is a relatively modern invention.
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:59am
  - Harkman
    
    Like Matariki? What a scam that is.
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:27am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Concerted – in maori; tomorrowispaydaybro
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:08am
- itstricky
  
  But sorry, once again its not in my dictionary
  
  Depends what context you are using it in, but it could easily be incorporated into a sentence using ‘kaha’ or ‘whakaritea’. Or both.
  
  D- for today’s effort
  
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  September 4, 2018 1:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    E for that attempt, Itstricky.
    
    From your examples, Maori vocabulary is too small to allow for nuance.
    
    Limited for science, limited for mathematics, limited for world academia …. Maori has a huge handicap when it competes with English.
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:41pm
    - itstricky
      
      too small to allow for nuance
      
      Rubbish
      
      Limited for science
      
      I don’t think I am arguing anywhere that Maori is “better” than English, or will become the next scientific standard.
      
      I am simply pointing out that DigNap15 has it wrong, again, because he/she is apparently only capable of typing two words at a time into Google and seems to be incapable of basic research.
      
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      September 4, 2018 2:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky: To my point that Maori vocabulary is too small for nuance, your one-word reply “rubbish” illustrates that, for some, even the vast vocabulary of the English language is no help in nuance.
        
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        September 4, 2018 3:50pm
tedbear

So these 18 supposedly ‘Kiwibuild’ homes just completed.
Can someone answer a few questions for me please:
I had the idea the McLennan development land was purchased by HNZ under the previous govt.
The builder says he doesn’t know whether he’s broken even. When does he get paid?
What’s Kiwibuild all about if they’re not paying the builder upfront?
When does Kiwibuild start dishing out the $2 billion?
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September 4, 2018 9:34am
- Poppa
  
  No issue, Phil will make up any shortfall. He is desperate to grandstand about this pathetic attempt at acting like Bob the Builder.
  
  There is a rather large number which are still to be built though Phil, have you worked that out yet?
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:07am
- marcw
  
  Mangere resettlement center, 80 new beds; KiwiBuild private development 12 new homes – all in the same time frame.
  
  The Twyford effect (or more correctly, in-effect).
  
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  September 4, 2018 11:02am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Each of these $620,000 ‘Kiwibuild’ homes will cost far more over the 30-year life of the mortgage.
  At today’s interest rates (and who knows how long these will continue for) you will have to pay up $1,080,000 to settle your 80% (of $620,000) loan (having paid a 20% deposit).
  
  Here’s the kicker. To have $1 to pay off your loan, you will have to earn that dollar PLUS income tax. Let’s be generous and say it’s 30 cents in the $.
  That means that you will have to earn 1.3 x $1,080,000 = $1,404,000 (pre-tax) over the course of the 30-year term of the mortgage.
  
  You’ll win if property prices increase in that 30-year period (and they probably will if the trends of the past decade continue), but if you lose your job and interest rates increase by a couple of percentage points, you could be in real trouble in the medium term.
  
  Houses are for nesting; not investing.
  
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  September 4, 2018 11:30am
Fletch

Four Corners, in Australia, interview Steve Bannon –

https://www.facebook.com/abc4corners/videos/692279557794005/
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September 4, 2018 9:41am
Manolo

A poor Argentina hits the wall:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/03/argentinas-macri-says-to-ask-more-of-exporters-in-austerity-push.html

Argentina unveiled plans on Monday to raise export taxes on grains and slash the number of government ministries in a bid to balance its budget next year, as President Mauricio Macri seeks a deal with the IMF to accelerate a $50 billion loan program.

The new austerity measures, announced by Macri and Finance Minister Nicolas Dujovne, were prompted by a 16% slide in the value of the peso last week, bringing the local currency’s losses to almost 50% against the dollar so far this year.
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September 4, 2018 10:05am
- DigNap15
  
  Good
  I hope the IMF tells them to get stuffed.
  They never paid back the last loans.
  
  The Argentinian people need to realise that they have to stop their corruption and learn to operate in a sound business like manner.
  
  Most Argentinians I know tell me their country is a mess.
  
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  September 4, 2018 11:03am
  - Jack5
    
    As a decent measure, we could help out Argentine rugby during the country’s hard times.
    
    It would be good to some of the aid we send to shit holes diverted to Argentina for a time. Divert some of the student-visa-rorts from India to Argentina for a time, too.
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:22am
Manolo

It will not be long before Trump fires Sessions:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/03/trump-slams-sessions-on-twitter-says-ag-is-hurting-gop-in-midterms.html

President Trump lashed out at Attorney General Jeff Sessions in a string of tweets on Monday, accusing him of hurting Republican chances in the upcoming midterm elections with a series of Justice Department investigations.
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September 4, 2018 10:08am
- Harkman
  
  And so he should, he is not doing his job. He recused himself from Campaign related issues regarding Russia. He is not recused from controlling Mueller’s investigation into tax, money laundering or obstruction of justice etc. On these issues he is Mueller’s boss.
  
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  September 4, 2018 11:33am
kowtow

Forget us, a minnow in the Pacific , China is buying up Africa. Big time. Compete with that . The black kleptocrats must be loving it , all that money they can cream off of.

‘President Xi Jinping offered another US$60 billion (HK$468 billion) in financing for Africa and said mainland companies will be encouraged to invest no less than US$10 billion over the next three years, but he also warned against “vanity projects.” ‘

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=199796&sid=11
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September 4, 2018 10:09am
RW Capitalist

Has there been any more heard about this?
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/wellington-property-developer-bankrolls-new-50m-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-jw-205038
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September 4, 2018 10:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mark Dunajtschik has been in & out of hospital since he got collected by a snowboarder.
  He’s been selling up some of his Wellington properties.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/104352644/wellington-philanthorpist-and-property-investor-mark-dunajtschik-sells-office-tower-for-1025-million
  
  Plans & consents were being organised at end of last year
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/99283876/plans-reveal-first-look-at-proposed-50m-wellington-childrens-hospital
  
  and the site was being prepared Feb 2018
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/101559614/wellington-hospital-outdoor-carpark-shuts-to-make-way-for-childrens-hospital-build
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:13pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Thank you for the info.
    Hope gets and stays well, we need many more like him.
    
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    September 4, 2018 4:49pm
Nookin

Are there any National MPs or parliamentary staff on sick leave this week?
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September 4, 2018 10:32am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I don’t know, but Meka Whaitiri is reportedly holed up at home on the East Coast while her alleged assault of a staff member is investigated.
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:57am
  - sooty
    
    There was a rumour that her child was at the sex camp. Maybe Mike could do a press release.
    
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    September 4, 2018 12:54pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No charges being pressed apparently.
    
    Be very interested to see how the career and financial circumstances of the staff member in question develops over coming months.
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:25pm
- Prince
  
  I understand the Government and Speakers Office are refusing to cooperate with the investigation.
  So any emails between the Speakers Office/Government and Tova OBrien will not be available.
  I wonder why.
  Nothing to see here of course.
  
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  September 4, 2018 12:25pm
Jack5

The Rev. Indiana Jones. I’ll be damned.
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September 4, 2018 10:46am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! That post was meant for the Indiana Jones thread. The delete function doesn’t seem to work these days.
  
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  September 4, 2018 10:55am
DigNap15

Leighton was talking this morning about China offering huge loans to Nauru and Manass Island to build airports and huge ports.
This is in Australia’s and our backyard.

Who are we gonna call?
Oh that’s right many kiwis have been brainwashed into hating the USA!
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September 4, 2018 11:05am
- Jack5
  
  There would be plenty of patriotic support in Auckland for the People’s Liberation Army Navy.
  
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  September 4, 2018 11:17am
  - Komata
    
    Jack5: Not a peep when the last Chinese vessel was in port, but when the Yanks turned up, surprise, surprise, guess what happened…Minto, Bradford, Bright, and the usual hangers on, and they weren’t giving away free coffee…
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:20am
  - Jack5
    
    Komata, the Auckland radical far-left is the remnants-descendants of the old Auckland nutters who were the world’s stupidest commmunists.
    
    They switched support from the Soviet Union to Mao after Stalin died, then when Mao and his descendants became too liberal, they switched support to Albania.
    
    I don’t think their party survived long enough to make a hero out of Pol Pot.
    
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    September 4, 2018 11:25am
    - Komata
      
      Jack5: So true, I knew them in the Shadbolt days, before Tim and co. ‘Got Capitalism’ and went all conservative. Sadly though, there will always be the bright young things, straight out of school and into uni, who think it is so cool to be ‘anti establishment’, but who have absolutely no idea what they are actually saying. These are the readily -available fodder for the likes of Minto, Bradford, Bright, Golly G etc. to manipulate and groom. They are dangerous in their stupidity / niavety and, in the best leftist traditions are always out the front while their leaders lurk in the shadows, ready for a quick exit when the idiots they are manipulating suddenly realise they have been conned. Nothing has changed, although the manipulators are older and even more bitter. Failure has that effect on some people..
      
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      September 4, 2018 2:12pm
- brett68
  
  China has a massive investment arm where they will lend countries huge amounts of money at practically 0% interest rates to build infrastructure.
  
  The catch is that the project must use either (can’t remember the exact numbers) 50% Chinese materials or 50% Chinese labour or a combination of the above.
  
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  September 4, 2018 12:10pm
  - Komata
    
    Brett:It’s known as ‘Conquest without bloodshed or firing a shot’ and is a policy that the CCP worked out many years ago.It’s very successful, especially in Africa, and plays on simple human greed for its sucess. We have it in NZ.
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:17pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I’m picking that if all the Nauru and Manus Island refugees were told they’d be re-settled in China, they’d all find their passports toot and darned sweet and be on the next floating object back to where they came from.
  
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  September 4, 2018 12:25pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Lots of room in Venezuela now I hear
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:41pm
Komata

DigNap. Keep calm grasshopper, new zealand now Beijing dairy farm so no worries. You do as we tell you, an we all one big happy family… (Too late old chap, they’re already in charge here; we’re only going through the motions…).
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September 4, 2018 11:17am
Dafixeruppa

Anyone else having trouble posting from an Android phone at the moment?
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September 4, 2018 11:39am
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12118897

Hand in the till seems to be getting to be a bit of a pattern.

“His offending has caused reputational damage to the Waitangi National Trust ” I wouldn’t go that far. I’m not sure they had much reputation to damage!
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September 4, 2018 11:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Doesn’t say much for the management oversight of the Waitangi Trust Board.
  
  They can’t have been keeping an eye on their accounts during the 5 years that this chap worked for them.
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:00pm
  - Komata
    
    Maggi: Maori keeping account of money? Really? You might just as well try and control the wind, they are equally dificult…
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Komata and MW, Pakeha have not committed similar acts of fraud, embezzlement etc?
      
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      September 4, 2018 3:46pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Oh fuck off you useless prick.
        
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        September 4, 2018 7:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, they have, stephieboy.
        What is your point?
        
        I’m concerned about the oversight of public money…
        it’s irrelevant to me what ethnic group a thief belongs to.
        
        I’m not impressed when Trust Boards/Board of Directors don’t have the nous to realise that they’ve got dodgy staff siphoning off public funds.
        
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        September 4, 2018 7:59pm
  - cmm
    
    Nah can’t do that.
    
    Auditing someone dishonours their mana!
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:33pm
Monique Watson

I saw my aussie mate the other day, walking down the street with a sheep under each arm. I shouted ‘Hi mate, You shearing?’ then he said ‘naa mate, I’m gonna fuck ’em both meself’
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September 4, 2018 12:00pm
- sooty
  
  Stephie would have mugged him if they had been goats.
  
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  September 4, 2018 12:57pm
artemisia

Harness racing arrests – allegations of race fixing and drugs.

Hope none of Mr Peters’ dosh is not going there.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106807066/police-raids-on-harness-racing-entities
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September 4, 2018 12:06pm
- cmm
  
  Harness is ugly horses and punters wearing white gumboots.
  
  You won’t find Winnie and his pretty horses anywhere near there!
  
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  September 4, 2018 12:21pm
  - Longknives
    
    Harness Racing has been dying for years- This could be the final blow.
    It is rife with Doping, Team Driving and Race Fixing…
    
    Roll on the Gallops Spring Carnival in Melbourne!
    
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    September 4, 2018 1:18pm
    - Jack5
      
      Am I right in thinking that for a long time, harness racing was sort of a people’s sport?
      
      A farmer who couldn’t afford a thoroughbred with training, jockey,. and other fees could do most of the training work himself (herselves are more recent) on the farm.
      
      Not so long ago when you flew into Christchurch you could see training tracks on many farms. The same in Southland.
      
      I’m no racing fan, but a field of harness racers coming up the straight is a great sight. If they were galloping it would be Ben Hur. Harness racing was the great spectator sport in the Roman Empire as gladiator fighting and feeding Christians to lions went into decline. The two great fan bases were the blues and greens, whose fallouts made today’s soccer hooligans look like pussy cats.
      
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      September 4, 2018 1:53pm
    - Poppa
      
      Actually it is the thoroughbred industry which is almost dead. Harness is doing ok.
      
      This won’t help though that is for sure
      
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      September 4, 2018 1:56pm
      - Longknives
        
        “Actually it is the thoroughbred industry which is almost dead. Harness is doing ok”
        
        Bollocks.
        Apart from NZ Cup week at Addington, Harness is just about kaput…
        Tiny fields racing for pathetic money on Friday nights at the once great Alexandra Park? Little Clubs going under all over the Country?
        
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        September 4, 2018 6:28pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Fucking good job. The sooner so-called sports that promote animal cruelty so stupid pricks can be separated from their money die, the better.
        Especially for the animals.
        
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        September 4, 2018 7:45pm
Philview

If Nigel Farage is in the country the media are keeping it very quiet? I thought I heard he was talking somewhere in Auckland tonight.
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September 4, 2018 12:37pm
- Ross12
  
  Top item on the 1.00pm radio news was some Antifacist group ( or similar name) are going to protest outside the Pulman Hotel along with Green MP GG because Farage holds anti-semetic and misogynist views.
  I would love to see how they come to those conclusions –somehow I doubt they know what the terms actually mean.
  
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  September 4, 2018 1:40pm
- waikatosinger
  
  He gave a really good and very entertaining speech to a full audience in the Pullman hotel and got several standing ovations. He is a really interesting man to listen to, although I do think he could stand to be a bit better informed about Winston’s true place in NZ politics.
  
  A small but rather bedraggled crowd of about 20 people lined the pavement to greet us. They displayed festive signs, shouted loudly and filmed us all as we arrived. I felt like a celebrity on the red carpet in Hollywood. The signs and slogans were incoherent and made absolutely no sense, but you’ve got to give them credit for the effort especially on such a cold wet and windy night. As I stood in the warm hotel lounge sipping on my beer and waiting for the event to start the thought of them all out there shivering in the cold was quite a pleasant one.
  
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  September 5, 2018 1:34am
wiseowl

This new report out by the Productivity Commission is a load of buncum.
This bunch of people who would not understand the climate if they fell over it , are now trying to make us fork out more money for nothing , more regulations,more feel good , more bs that seriously is totally unacceptable.
Makes me furious.
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September 4, 2018 1:38pm
DigNap15

The climate change theory promoters have done a successful con job on people all over the world.
If they interview a peasant farmer in Asia or Africa and there is a flood or a drought he says its due to climate change!
20 years ago it would have been due to nature or God1
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September 4, 2018 1:51pm
Surely Knott

Waitakere Ranges complete closure. Councillors have now said pig hunters and dogs have been granted permission by iwi to enter the ranges. Some environmental groups also. Question is – the closure of the regional park was voted on by Councillors and actioned by Council. As well as controlled area notices by MPI. So how does an iwi trust now have the legal power to grant permission to enter the forest for certain groups. Shouldn’t that be a standard transparent process through council or mpi so that the public have access to information through lgoima etc.
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September 4, 2018 2:06pm
- Komata
  
  SurelyK: Sadly, the inevitable question: How much are they charging? It won’t be free, and if it involves Maori there will be money being made. Who’s pocketing the dollars..?
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:23pm
starboard

Hate to say told ya so, but…feral maori again

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106800483/woman-denies-kidnapping-and-robbing-87yearold-man-in-hastings
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September 4, 2018 2:12pm
- itstricky
  
  Hate to say told ya so, but… old men up to their old tricks again
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106785640/elderly-man-touches-womans-bottom-while-she-hangs-curtains-in-his-house
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:43pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Even bishops are doing that sort of thing these days:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/sep/01/bishop-apologises-to-ariana-grande-for-conduct-at-aretha-franklins-funeral
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:51pm
    - itstricky
      
      Just “these days”?
      
      Hate to say told ya so, but… church leaders up to their old tricks again
      
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      September 4, 2018 3:35pm
      - nasska
        
        “old tricks”…..what are you on about?
        
        The good bishop was feeling a grown woman’s tit rather than a young boy’s bottom.
        
        It could be the start of a whole new era of sexual deviancy from the clergy. 🙂
        
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        September 4, 2018 3:59pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        It could be the start of a whole new era of sexual deviancy from the clergy.
        
        I wonder how long it’ll take before they have gender-fluid altar boys, or perhaps transgender ones, so they can move into the 21st century like the rest of us?
        
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        September 4, 2018 5:16pm
      - nasska
        
        Can’t see it happening in our time Nostra. God’s representatives still seem to pine for the days of yore when they had the power to murder those who asked questions.
        
        Not to mention the pick of the comeliest girls & the prettiest choirboys. 🙂
        
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        September 4, 2018 5:27pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The new religion of our time – environmentalism craves similar power:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM
        
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        September 4, 2018 8:30pm
  - starboard
    
    err..hanging curtains and touches womans bottom, against kidnapping and robbery of an 87 year old pensioner.
    Is that all ya got ? Are you pissed again, itstiky ?
    
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    September 4, 2018 5:54pm
    - itstricky
      
      You can’t see anything beyond the headlines, can you? Can’t read between the lines, or for meaning. Didn’t make anything of the fact that I copied your sentence word for word?
      
      Yes, absolutely trahsed. Hmmered.
      
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      September 4, 2018 11:04pm
  - realityczech
    
    “old men up to their old tricks again”
    
    Tricky – how old were your party members that stupified and sexually assaulted the wee kiddies at the Labour Rape Camp?
    
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    September 4, 2018 5:57pm
    - Longknives
      
      Not to mention all the other Labour Party controversies the Media/Police have covered up in recent times!
      
      Labour are a Party of Sexual Deviants and Predators…
      
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      September 4, 2018 6:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        Indeed. Labour must have a dedicated team working the network of media, police, govt agencies and bullying witnesses and complainants etc.
        
        Even though the corruption is on an industrial scale, the Klarken Beast would have sealed the cracks better so we would not have know the half of it.
        
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        September 4, 2018 6:44pm
      - nasska
        
        You were missing in action last night RC so you probably missed the “Press wants no alcohol at party youth events” thread.
        
        One of our co respondents hunted down the story of what the Labour deviants were doing to a young boy about ten years ago & it made sorry reading.
        
        I suspect that the NZ Labour Party is now nothing but a front for paedophiles & pederasts.
        
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        September 4, 2018 7:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Appalling abuse of an 87 year old.
  But why are we surprised?
  This is Hastings, home of the Mongrel Mob.
  Plus we pay criminals to drag up umpteen kids and teach them crime.
  Why are we surprised when they go out and do exactly as they have been taught?
  
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  September 4, 2018 9:05pm
lifesgood

Sooooo, the police are not pressing charges against the labour government thug. It seems both the victim and the police may have been leaned on. This corrupt government has to go. Things are just becoming so appalling it is beyond belief.
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September 4, 2018 2:36pm
- starboard
  
  McCreadys going in for the kill..
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106751584/serial-litigant-threatens-to-prosecute-meka-whaitiri-if-police-dont
  
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  September 4, 2018 2:39pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Addressing his complaint to Lucinda Adern was a move of utter brilliance. McCready is a fool.
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:45pm
  - itstricky
    
    McCreadys
    
    Oh, Penny’s mate? I didn’t realise you two were so close.
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:50pm
  - KevinH
    
    McCready has quoted media reports and a statement from the Prime Minister as his evidence for the prosecution.
    He won’t even get far on that.
    The Police have made the call on this case, and the fact that they are not prosecuting speaks volumes.
    
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    September 4, 2018 2:58pm
    - Longknives
      
      Yep Kevin- We all know New Zealand Police are completely impartial and Politically Neutral.
      Oh Wait….
      
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      September 4, 2018 3:33pm
- realityczech
  
  “the police”
  
  The police swear an oath to the government. Not the law or truth. Or the people.
  
  Whether they are good cops or bad cops depends on who we vote for.
  
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  September 4, 2018 6:46pm
  - fernglas
    
    The oath is to serve the reigning sovereign, not the government. The reigning sovereign is the head of state.
    
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    September 4, 2018 7:00pm
    - realityczech
      
      Fuck you pig I know that. If you knew the law you would also know it is really an oath to the government.
      
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      September 4, 2018 7:07pm
  - Longknives
    
    Not quite- They actually swear an Oath to the Queen mate!
    Mind You- They also swear to Police ‘without fear or favour’…
    
    So we know that is not worth jack shit to them…
    
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    September 4, 2018 7:00pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yes, see my reply above. That guy reeks of bacon 😉
      
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      September 4, 2018 7:08pm
      - fernglas
        
        I am just someone who goes to the trouble of looking up the facts, which I am surprised should trouble you.
        
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        September 4, 2018 7:15pm
ex-golfer

Why are the Labour Party members wearing Christmas decorations around their necks in Parliament today?
Have they skipped a few months?
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September 4, 2018 2:44pm
- VicParking
  
  At least we at KB only skip a day at a time.
  When does the PM leave for her tropical photo. Shouldn’t she be flat out expressing milk.
  
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  September 4, 2018 4:17pm
- sooty
  
  Because they are the christmas turkeys that come early.
  
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  September 4, 2018 4:38pm
UpandComer

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mel-gibsons-new-police-brutality-movie-is-a-vile-racist-right-wing-fantasy?ref=home

Mad max at it again. Why will no one put Mel Gibson in prison for his political incorrectness? Why is he allowed to make movies like the other people who make movies? It’s an outrage.

Marlow Stern doesn’t like the sounds of dragged across concrete. That means it will be a good movie.

If it were accurate, it would just show 57 Chicagoites shooting one another over a single weekend, one every 2 minutes.
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September 4, 2018 3:36pm
Ross12

This will be interesting to watch as it progresses.
I wonder how long Nike will hold out .

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/im-burning-my-nikes-americans-launch-boycott-against-nike-after-colin-kaepernick-named-as-face-of-campaign/
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September 4, 2018 4:05pm
- fernglas
  
  I don’t think Trump supporters wear a lot of Nike, unless Nike has taken to new lines of cowboy boots, workboots and loafers.
  
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  September 4, 2018 7:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It will really hurt Nike if those morons burn the Nikes they have already bought.
    
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    September 4, 2018 7:29pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milky, if you were going to protest, you wouldn’t buy Nike shoes to burn, would you?
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t see how destroying anything I already own would harm the company that already has my money.
        
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        September 4, 2018 8:10pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        pish, there you go being logical. New era new rules. Feelz uber alles!
        
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        September 4, 2018 8:32pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, it’s about publicity, so as long as the mugs see pictures of the shoes burning the origin and age of the shoes (given they will be shown half-consumed by fire) doesn’t matter.
        
        The economic course would be either to burn some old Nikes you are tired of, or to cadge or to scavenge old Nikes for the photo. Then, if necessary, paint them to look new.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:07pm
Shaun the Sheep

https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=202316

Can anyone enlighten me why government members in the House today appear to be adorned as Christmas fairies?
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September 4, 2018 4:55pm
- KevOB
  
  They sounded like they were attempting to jabber in Tongan in the house.
  When did that an official language of NZ?
  If Tongan is not an official language of NZ why was the business of the House being conducted in it?
  
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  September 4, 2018 5:51pm
- RF
  
  Shaun…
  
  ? Fat Fairies
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:26pm
wiseowl

Unbelievable.
National have welcomed the Productivity Commissions report on climate fraud.
Shows how totally out of touch they are.
Mr Muller. Carbon (dioxide) is not a problem.Get some alternative advice.
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September 4, 2018 5:06pm
ex-golfer

https://twitter.com/Hilary_Barry/status/1036829599420755968

I’m sure the Nauruean authorities are quaking in their boots at the strength of Hilary’s threat.

When will these media lightweights stop trying to be the news?
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September 4, 2018 5:13pm
- Longknives
  
  Hilary Barry seems to be suggesting Dreaver has been treated roughly/assaulted?
  
  That is at complete odds with the rest of the story-
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106822330/tvnz-reporter-barbara-dreaver-reportedly-detained-in-nauru
  
  Earlier, he said Dreaver “was not concerned for her safety”.
  
  “She’s at a police station I understand … She’s happy with the way she’s been treated”
  
  I hope Hilary Barry apologies to Nauru officials for her shocking allegations..
  
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  September 4, 2018 5:25pm
  - Longknives
    
    And does anyone else sniff a Publicity Stunt here?
    
    ‘Jacinda flies in and saves the day’
    ‘OMG she has brought back the Refugees as well’
    ‘Jacinda is sooo awesome’
    
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    September 4, 2018 5:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, looks very contrived to me.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    NZ State employee defies foreign government.
    
    Is there any chance they will shoot her as a spy?
    They would have to put Dreaver on a box so the firing squad could see her.
    
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    September 4, 2018 5:28pm
- lifesgood
  
  Does that stupid Barbara see herself as some sort of crusading hero? She blatantly broke one of Nauru’s laws by talking to refugees when that was something explicitly denied. Oh I do hope Jacinda talks to them and gets arrested too.
  
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  September 4, 2018 6:50pm
  - fernglas
    
    Do the crime, do the time.
    
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    September 4, 2018 7:05pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    She was likely already very much aware of the Nauruan government’s campaign to end freedom of the press, among other civil liberties. I seem to recall NZ suspended some aid to Nauru a while back as that aid was supposed to be targeted to helping the courts, which the current regime had targeted for intimidation.
    
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    September 4, 2018 7:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      How about an Israel-Arab scale swap with Nauru:
      we take one of their would-be Australia gatecrashers for every 800 NZ Greens they take? The first batch from NZ to include Golly.
      
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      September 4, 2018 8:02pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell puts a torpedo into the latest report of the useless Productivity Commission (is it more interested in Green goals than economic productivity?):

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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September 4, 2018 5:27pm
- KevOB
  
  The IPCC can’t even get their climate model within cooee: why should we accept their economic costing too?
  
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  September 4, 2018 5:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s a comprehensive fisking of the Productivity Commission’s report by Michael. It looks like a crock of shit, and heavily influenced by Gaia zealots. What a waste of time and money.
  
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  September 4, 2018 5:51pm
Stars And Stripes

NZ woman ill in Bali hospital didn’t declare medical condition
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018661082/nz-woman-ill-in-bali-hospital-didn-t-declare-medical-condition
“She had a twisted bowel and contracted a blood infection and her family says she is now in a coma.
The Balinese hospital today confirmed Mrs Hartley purchased insurance with Cover-More Travel Insurance through Air New Zealand but Mrs Hartley did not disclose her pre-existing bowel condition before she and her husband Richard left for a second honeymoon in Bali last month”.

Plenty of discussion on the other thread about this but it looks quite clearly like the ladies own fault to me with these latest developments.
Another person with a sob story taking advantage of peoples generosity.
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September 4, 2018 6:36pm
- GoVege
  
  Is it possible she just forgot?
  In any case, she is apparently an exceptionally nice person.
  Let’s not be too judgemental.
  Nobody is forcing anyone to donate.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:45pm
  - starboard
    
    Forgot?! Pleeease…
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:17pm
nasska

“You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion…. Dogs do not ritually urinate in the hope of persuading heaven to do the same and send down rain. Asses do not bray a liturgy to cloudless skies. Nor do cats attempt, by abstinence from cat’s meat, to wheedle the feline spirits into benevolence. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent enough.”

–Aldous Huxley, Texts & Pretexts
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September 4, 2018 8:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear, nasska
  you haven’t been keeping up to date with the Psychanthrobabblers have you?
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/03/chimpanzee-spirituality/475731/
  
  I’m sure someone must have written a paper on Whales and the Sacred…but I’m too busy worshipping my pussy cats at the moment to check.
  
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  September 4, 2018 8:42pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, there must hope for nasska and you?
    
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    September 4, 2018 8:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think there’s any hope for nasska and me…
      didn’t he say yesterday, “no fat chicks”?
      
      or was that Nostradamus.?
      
      (I can’t tell the difference… pale old men look the same to me)
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:00pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve never been able to understand the Godstalkers Maggy. Most of us can look at a sunset & appreciate its beauty but the religious have to apportion the sight to the supernatural. Similarly they can look at a newborn baby & see a sinner. They can read the parable of the good Samaritan & ignore the fact that the religious nuts were shitheads & the atheist was the good guy.
    
    I have no bitch about their religious rubbish but they don’t have the courtesy to keep their long pointed noses out of my & my family’s personal lives.
    
    They are stark raving mad!
    
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    September 4, 2018 9:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “They are stark raving mad!”
      
      Another rich irony and half-wit alert!
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The newborn baby being a sinner is a puzzle, isn’t it.?
      
      but it’s because we are conceived in sin… we haven’t stood a chance from the get-go.
      Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
      (Psalm 51)
      
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      September 4, 2018 9:38pm
      - nasska
        
        The guilt keeps the faithful in line & has a payoff when the collection plate gets handed around.
        
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        September 4, 2018 9:45pm
    - MrTips
      
      I have no bitch about their religious rubbish but they don’t have the courtesy to keep their long pointed noses out of my & my family’s personal lives.
      
      And yet, you and others come on here EVERY night and moan about how to beat the God you have no belief in……
      
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      September 4, 2018 10:24pm
RF

Jesus H Christ. That tops it. A bloody kids book about the PM, the serial lover and squirrel..

“Shhh don’t wait the baby”

I hope Mike Bush has sanctioned this…..

I need to down a few single malts so I can sleep tonight.
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September 4, 2018 9:32pm
RF

Make that Wake…..not wait….
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