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August 6, 2018 8:01am
- Colville
  
  He probably needs a few panadol and a bottle of blue powerade… as his hangover might be a bit of a beauty..!
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:39am
mikenmildagain

Happy Hiroshima Day, everyone.
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August 6, 2018 8:02am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Does that come before or after Rape of Nanking, Sacking of Singapore or Bombing of Darwin Day?
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:07am
  - skyblue
    
    Afterwards on a time scale.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:10am
- skyblue
  
  It was a great day. Many Allied lives were saved.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    My father was part of the occupation force, many old photos of young men admist the total devistation
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:24am
  - mandk
    
    Arguably, a lot of Japanese lives were also saved, when you consider the counterfactual.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:31am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    While you are quite right skyblue, I hope Hiroshima Day will be regarded as a commemoration rather than a celebration.
    Ugly thing happen in war. And that was certainly ugly.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:19am
    - logan0312
      
      You’re right of course Shaun. War is an ugly business and cruel things happen that are hard to justify to our consciences afterward. But that is the rule we all know going in – human beings are often ruthless when they feel the need arises. Maybe the lesson to aggressors (or to us all) is that; if you don’t like the rules of the game then don’t play.
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:17am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I don’t know if I will bother watching NHK today. I can picture the imagery and imagine what the national broadcasting company of Japan will say. (As they do every year…)
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:24am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I checked out “Ohaiyou Nippon” (broadcast on NHK at 4:30 a.m. (Japan Time) (7:30 NZ time) and got a surprise.
    The news story led with a weather report about the ongoing head wave and the risks of flooding in western Japan. This was followed by an article on an international Judo convention.
    While I am sure there will be some insert about today being the 73rd anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, it seems that maybe more important issues of today are taking precedence over historical “look what was done to us” types of stories.
    Japan is getting over the past and dealing with the present. Maybe the world can learn something from that.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:27am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Did Japan ever deal with it’s past Odakyu-sen? Is it true that there was never any acknowledgment of WWII and Japans agressive expansionism taught in schools there?
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:55am
      - Jack5
        
        Salacious Crumbs, forget about judgment of who was right and who was wrong.
        
        Sudden total surrender and takeover by foreign military must have been devastating for the Japanese, even without the horrific effects of two atomic bombs and the heavy losses of Japanese life overseas.
        
        The Japanese went to work, and were highly intelligent in the way they adopted latest manufacturing technique, based on American statistics-based quality control. They adapted and enhanced these to become the world’s leading quality manufacturers, and a leader in economic growth.
        
        The cultural flow was soon two-way, with Japanese martial arts, for example, becoming popular in Western countries.
        
        You have to praise the Americans, who, in contrast to the iron control the Soviet Union imposed on East Europe, adopted a “move on” policy.
        
        As an occasional visitor to Japan, I have seen much that is good in Japanese culture, and Odakyu-sen is correct in that the lesson is to move on.
        
        Formal apologies are a side issue. Don’t forget the endless official apologies under Helen Clark’s government and her grovelling on the floor of an Auckland Pacific Islander home because of a death caused by an electricity company.
        
        What people do in contrition counts for more than their words about their previous action.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:25am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Meh, Wart’s ‘n all history should be taught as accurately as possible, but collective guilt, particularly generations after the fact is bullshit.
        
        Hirohito after the bombing:
        “The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage.”
        Shines out as one of greatest statements of spin in history.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:26am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Salacious Crumb,
        
        How best to “deal with the past”?
        This goes hand-in-hand with the notion of “punishment for the crimes of your forefathers.”
        
        If dealing with the past means examining the process that led to a war (i.e., the rise of a totalitarian, socialist system with strong national and racial undertones, in which the nation was everything and the individual was nothing; a system which labelled any thought that contradicted the prevailing narrative to be a “crime”) then so much the better.
        
        On the other hand, if dealing with the past means to confess to the crimes of one’s forefathers and to accept punishment for their actions, for now and forevermore, then I don’t see how that can help to build healthy relations between nations.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:05am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Odakyu-sen: more the former. I subscribe to the “warts and all” approach to history. My comment was based more in response to your initial comment about “getting over the past”. It seems to me that modern Japanese are ill informed about the dangers of totalitarianism be it via Empericism or other state mechanism so I guess it depends on what aspect of the past you refer to.
        The Japanese government’s reticence on acknowledging atrocities committed by invading Japanese forces has been a long held sticking point of diplomacy in the Asia-Pacific region also.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:15am
      - sooty
        
        We have the treaty and will be paying for ever and a day.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:17am
      - Lance
        
        Interesting that on a couple of day tours we took in Germany the host repeatedly apologised for WW2 and made a point of saying more than once that Hitler was not German. Odd because it wasn’t like anybody asked and it was the sins of the Fathers/ Grandfathers.
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:37pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Lance strange you should get a tour guide in Germany apologising, except unless it is to do with the Holocaust, then the apologies are never ending.
        Generally, 1932 to 1945 has been legally blocked out of the German psyche. Mentioning the war is frowned upon.
        
        Also, the tour guide was correct Hitler was an Austrian & not a German.
        
        As with Japan, the rise of the Nazi regime is not as simple as “the Germans wanted it.” Much of what happened to Germany was caused by the Western allies in 1919, settling old scores. This resulted in a vanquished country looking for easy/scapegoat solutions in the midst of the rose of fascism & communism across Europe.
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Hah. Germans often point out that Hitler was Austrian. Austrians, funnily enough, often point out that the Nazis invaded Austria.
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Forgetting for a moment who we think were right, and who were wrong …
        
        The German World War 2 experience is a guide on how to move on from trauma. Tens of thousands of counsellors? Nope. Talking and talking and talking about their trauma? Nope.
        
        Without shutting it out of their minds and focusing on the “now” and the future, how could German people have got over:
        
        – The Red Army rape of hundreds of thousands of women aged from 10 or less to 80 or more in Berlin and eastern Germany.
        
        – The annihilation of East Prussia and the expulsion, often brutal and including rape and murder, of six million or so Germans from neighbouring countries.
        
        – The devastating carpet bombing of Hamburg (42,600 dead), Dresden (25,000), Berlin (20,000 to 50,000), Pforzheim (17,600), Darmstadt (11,500), Kassel (10,000).
        
        Similarly in London, where air raids killed 43,000 people, and in Tokyo (about 100,000 dead), survivors bravely and quietly soldiered on, and succeeding generations recovered.
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:42pm
    - freethinker
      
      Try convincing our Brown Bro of that and if successful use the skill to help the religion of peace move out of the 7th Century – not sure if that should be AD or BC.
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:21pm
  - Justitia
    
    Odakyu-sen, the war was a terrible tragedy and left its mark on many families including my own. But modern Japan has been a powerful force for good and we admire the Japanese people for their many achievements and culture.
    
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    August 6, 2018 4:55pm
- flipper
  
  When will it be happy Warsaw, or Leningrad, or Nanking or Coventry day???
  Hiroshima?
  Mostly media BS… but “Hiroshima Day” did help to keep the “peace” of the world for all these years.
  That is the only logical reason to recall it.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:31am
  - skyblue
    
    Also represented the dawn of the nuclear age.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Tena koe, flipper
    You are welcome to commemorate, or celebrate, any anniversary you wish.
    Do you still light a candle on the anniversary of Muldoon’s death, to recall your special time together?
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:54am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Sorry team, my bad, fat fingers
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:01am
    - Jack5
      
      Interesting start to the day with Milky. Was it a diversion?
      
      The GD topic could instead have been sparked by the move to Sunday night of State TV’s Q&A, with Jacinderella placing herself in the anti-free-speech camp, or NZ’s Muslims confirming they don’t support free speech as the Muslim woman tried to talk over Stephen Franks, or Paula B’s fascination with shoes.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:59am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Heh, heh, good one, Mike. I note your question is very timely, too.
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:05am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Taken away from us only 26 years ago, yesterday. Only three years to the centenary of his birth though, so flipper has that to look forward to. If he can keep his few remaining marbles for that long and think of a suitable activity to commemorate his beloved.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:53am
    - starboard
      
      ..great, 31 down ticks and milky bar gets flushed, heh.
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:43pm
  - SGA
    
    @flipper
    
    When will it be happy Warsaw, or Leningrad, or Nanking or Coventry day???
    
    Or happy Dresden day for that matter 🙂
    
    Hiroshima?
    Mostly media BS…
    
    Perhaps a bit. On the other hand, Hiroshima was a demonstration of a new awesome weapon that changed the terms of all out war between major world players. Maybe Hiroshima serves as a useful reminder of what the stakes are now in a way that Leningrad, Dresden, and Nanking don’t?
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:20am
    - Paulus
      
      But we have had no Nuclear wars since – rhetoric !
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:17am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Nations tend to use new weapons of mass destruction once, then they are never used again (when both sides have them).
        
        Re: poison gas, biological weapons, nuclear weapons
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:51pm
  - Liberty
    
    Hiroshima Day day is mostly lefty bullshit.
    As I recall in the sixties. Lefty teachers telling us innocent children. Hiroshima was going to be moonscape for a thousand years due to the evil american imperialism.
    Now go look at Hiroshima on google map. A major city some of those building would have been started while the earth was still warm.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:45am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Some us had a to study a book titled Hioshima as for 6th Form non-fiction work for UE English in the 1970s.
      
      This was at a very middle class High School on Auckland’s North Shore.
      
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      August 6, 2018 5:15pm
- kowtow
  
  Mayor of Hiroshima, 815 am ,August 6 1945, to his Secretary…….
  
  “What the fuck was that?”
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:06am
- dime
  
  a horrible day but ultimately the right call.
  
  the yanks had 10,000 bombers they would have moved to the Pacific. without nukes, the japs would have been napalmed out of existence.
  
  also, thank fuck we got nukes first eh!
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:39am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    If the Japs had had the nukes first – what do you think they’d have done ?
    
    Fuck them.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:00am
  - realityczech
    
    “the right call.”
    
    Now if only they would deal with the rouge nuclear state of Israel in a similar fashion.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:05am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      “rouge” lol, those Jewish hussies.
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:28am
      - Lance
        
        RCZ is in full retard mode… how unusual
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:51am
    - Viking2
      
      That’ll be once you have dealt with Pakistan, China, Iran and North Korea then.
      
      Must say that thank the lord that Germany doesn’t have one.
      They would be at Russia’s door again for the 4th time in history.
      
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      August 6, 2018 7:26pm
- realityczech
  
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  One of many examples of US cowardice. The war was ending and they tested weapons on civilians, mainly kids, women and the elderly. Right up there with fire bombing of Dresden, which even the airmen who did it knew was wrong and it haunted them.
  
  They are still up to their old tricks, as under Obama nearly 3 bombs an hour were dropped on civilians, while supporting evil regimes in Israel and Saudi Arabia.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:41am
  - SGA
    
    @realityczech
    
    One of many examples of US cowardice.
    
    meh – it was more complicated that. With hindsight, the Japanese efforts during the Battle of Okinawa to convince the Allies that any invasion of the Japanese mainland was going to be very. very expensive played into the hands of those who had found a “short cut”.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:51am
    - Jack5
      
      ‼️Realityczech‼️
      
      US cowardice?
      
      C’mon, ❗K-rcz❗ that’s bullshit, even by your standard.
      
      For the American – and Allied soldiers – on the ground, it’s not cowardice to endure attacks from an armed, insurgent population, without being able to unleash the power of all your technology.
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:39am
  - mark15
    
    You have a point.I think a more effective tactic in the religious war against western civilisation would have been not to invade the Middle East but to kick every last one of its inhabitants out of every single western civilised nation.Hindsight though…
    
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    August 6, 2018 12:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Which invasion of the Middle East do you think should have, and could have, been avoided?
      
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      August 6, 2018 1:19pm
- Ed Snack
  
  More people died in the (conventional) firebomb raid on Tokyo than at either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
  
  Saw a story recently about a Fellow who was in Hiroshima and survived with minor injuries. He was evacuated immediately afterwards to Nagasaki…. and survived that too.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:02am
  - RF
    
    Out of the proverbial frying pan and into the fire…
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:39am
Souvlaki

So, here we have the airheaded virtue signalling ” leader” of the country essentially endorsing threats of violence to shut down ideas she is not happy with. Not a peep from the press, let alone our emasculated opposition! What IS wrong with this country?? We look like spineless morons!
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August 6, 2018 8:03am
- Swifty
  
  We are being fed bullshit and treated like children.
  
  We have entered the period of the infantilisation of NZ politics.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Correct. Toothys comments are soooooo ironic as are Golly Gosh. Both claim to support diversity but dont support the most important diversity that is diversity of thought and freedom of speech.
  
  At the risk of being accused of Godwins Law let us consider that a lack of diversity of thought coupled with a oppressive regime lead to WW2 and the extermination of Jews and other groups.
  
  Now consider the current Government and Phil Goffs statements oppressing freedom of thought and freedom of speech and we can see how Germany and Germans arrived at the situation in the mid to late 1930s where the population was slowly manipulated towards a certain ideology.
  
  Beware the Left. Their agenda is to wipe out any thought or speech that doesnt fit their ideology.
  
  Those who dont learn the lessons of history are bound to repeat them.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:12am
  - sooty
    
    Today Commie Chick will be in all news reports about how she will front up to parliament flash her tit and feed poor little squirrel the ultimate fashion accessary!
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:27am
    - CHFR1
      
      Why Karl DuFresne is still one of the best journalists we have,
      https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2018/08/sick-to-pit-of-my-stomach.html
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:48am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Great article. I loved this comment in the comments section:
        
        “If you drive fringe views into dark places they don’t die, they come back as something much worse.”
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:05am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Absolutely agree with the words you have quoted Sal Crumb.
        I am very nervous about where this could head.
        Zealotry of any shade is a very dangerous thing.
        These nasty lefties are not just annoying centre-rightists, they are pouring fuel on the fire of the serious nasties at the other extreme.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:28am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Great article, I wonder it anyone will read it to Gower, the princess and the Antifa in Aotea Square
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:45pm
  - KevOB
    
    The only diversity permitted is 0.001% deviation from the Selected Leaders edicts.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:55am
- Justitia
  
  Will the bold leader of our parliamentary opposition challenge Ardern on her dog whistle incitement to violence against free speech? Not holding my breath…
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:24am
  - Lance
    
    Oh no, you can’t be mean to Cindy these days.
    To ask an awkward question is to hate babies.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:40am
  - chuk
    
    He failed to do so when given an opportunity on red radio this morning. Very disappointing but not much of a surprise.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:42am
  - Simon
    
    “Ardern on her dog whistle ”
    
    This is the extent of her power. She is a mong in a cage she cant do shit. It will in time drive the left utter nuts.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:48am
  - Komata
    
    Justitia
    
    One lives in hope, but based on his past ‘appeasement’-type comments, I doubt it.
    
    If only he would….
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:23am
  - Scott
    
    Totally agree with the above comments. I did take the time to listen to some of Lauren Southern’s contributions on YouTube and to be honest she asks questions that we should actually talk about.
    
    For example we are endlessly told by the human rights commission and the powers that be that “diversity is a strength”. We should welcome diversity and that diverse groups made up of people with different sexes and different cultures and different races is stronger than groups that are homogenous.
    
    However is that really true? Is it really true that if we have in society lots of different cultures and different races and no organising principles that we will be a stronger country? Surely we should be able to debate that without the automatic charge of being racist?
    
    The suspicion I have is the mantra “diversity is our strength” is actually a politically correct statement that is not actually true. Lauren Southern is prepared to debate it. She argues her points well. Now she may be wrong? But surely we have the right to hear what she has to say and decide for ourselves?
    
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    August 6, 2018 12:13pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Newshub still putting up articles about Molyneux and his race/iq comments. So Molyneux is deplatformed because his race/iq comments are too vile and divisive to be discussed. But Newshub , who called the speakers alt-right and nazis – seems happy to repeat the iq/race comments to create a stir and get the clicks for it’s own purposes.
      
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      August 6, 2018 3:00pm
- G152
  
  Our fake media is ‘on side’ with Cindy.
  After all think of how much they have invested in her
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:28am
- artemisia
  
  There will be questions in the House tomorrow on the implications of the statements of the PM, Minister of Justice and probably some others.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:41am
  - Justitia
    
    There damned well had better be.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:00am
  - mara
    
    Simon Bridges ought to be slaying dragons but he can’t even choke a bloody chicken. Change is urgently needed.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:18am
    - GoVege
      
      Has ANYONE from National spoken up for free speech yet?
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:17am
      - Komata
        
        GV
        
        Not that I’ve noticed, but hey Mr ‘nice Guy’ is still tourign the provinve so there MAY be something (I know, ‘Tui’ adverts and all that).
        
        Bu as the MSM is ‘baby -obsessed’, the rest of the country would probably never know anyway.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:25am
      - rangitoto
        
        Dan Bidois ?
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:48am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Unfortunate double entendre there mara, but point taken.
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:29am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I have joined National and I will not be going back to NZF. However, I will make my views clear to my local MP and other if I get the chance that Simon Bridge’s silence is almost as bad as the commie chick. I do not believe that none of the other 55 National MPs are not opposed to the thug’s veto.
  
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  August 6, 2018 2:44pm
skyblue

More meetings lined up in Wellytown, today it is school principals and the vertical building construction industry.
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August 6, 2018 8:04am
- marcw
  
  If you are an executive in the building and construction industries, I am trying to imagine your trepidation today as you approach your meeting in Parliament with the wise heads allocated for a rigorous discussion – Salesa, Twyford and Tugger Jones.
  
  Oh the humanity – their collective knowledge in this field would be exceeded by a coloured drawing pin and a left hand zinc plated nail.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:13am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes like pin the tail on a donkey. This time with their eyes open. What a trio of no hopers. Some might say bums and stiffs.If it wasnt so serious check out Salesa track record in the building field. Zilch.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:27am
    - softail 1450
      
      Oldpark, it’s obvious that Jacinda just had a big booze up and chose these ministers on “feelz”.
      unfortunately it’s NZ that is suffering the endless hangover.
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:39am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Grant Robertson joke of the day . . .
      He would certainly say bums and stiffs.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:23am
      - skyblue
        
        Stiffs up the bum. Cum Alfie, cum.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:41am
Inandout

Our Finance Minister (we actually do have one) says business confidence is fine, unemployment is down and employers are being too negative. Then we have beached whales stranded somewhere…….
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August 6, 2018 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Thank God for the Budget Responsibility Rules. It keeps the mongs in check.
  
  BRR aint all about balancing the books. It stops Labo / Greens from implementing all their ideas.
  
  Princess craps on about poverty but if NZ gets all of the left’s ideas unleashed then you would see REAL poverty. BRR stops this.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:18am
  - KevOB
    
    Poohbah (GR) has promised he will find money as he needs it. He now has access to the RB which is only one House session away from his absolute control.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:59am
  - edenman
    
    Wait until the poor are living in leased Govt owned BMW’s.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/105966832/leasing-exgovernment-cars-to-lower-income-families
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:09am
    - sooty
      
      Who’s going to be the special one to get them? What’s the chances of some high up Party member been first in line?
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:27am
- Justitia
  
  Our “Finance Minister” should stop meeting with business leaders. If they get up close and personal with him they quickly realize he lacks any expertise or competence for the job, which he got by riding identity politics. Any residual confidence immediately evaporates.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:30am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Our “Finance Minister” has been meeting with business leaders who are reassuring him that all is well with the COLL’s policies. Yeah Grant, well all I can say is you must be visiting Labour supporting business’, the owners of which will be lying to your face.
    Grant says unemployment will not rise above 4.5%, and is confident numbers will actually drop.
    Grant has his fingers in his ears and his blinkers on – nothing to see, nothing to report.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:44am
    - softail 1450
      
      W G ,my eldest daughter is in an executive position with one of the planets most well known pharmaceutical products,has been for 6 years .
      On the weekend she informed us that July was the first time since she has worked there that budget was nowhere near reached,, that is an indication of whats happening around our Country….
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:59am
      - Viking2
        
        Have an acquaintance who sells glass ware items to optometrists. Says the same.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:14am
      - RF
        
        My accountant who is very switched on believes that 2 more years of a Labour Govt continuing to follow its current path will completely stuff this country.
        
        Time to hunker down.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:56am
    - KevOB
      
      The GFC is coming for Grant.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:00am
      - skyblue
        
        I reckon there is a good chance of this. I have just joined Kiwisaver as I have an employer contributed scheme as they are Australian. I am withdrawing all the dough and paying off all of the rest of my mortgage and input into KS. Debt will not be your friend in 2-3 years. Hopefully KS will not be hurt as much and grow when things get better. But I will be debt free, main focus now.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:46am
      - gorse
        
        There will be an NZFC before the GFC – like last time.
        
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        August 6, 2018 3:24pm
    - GJM
      
      I am in the design end of the construction industry. We have been on a downhill path this year, with less work, projects not going anywhere and tighter margins. I have had the same story from others and in other areas, and we are all keeping a watching eye on the situation and forward work load and looking closely at expenses and fixed costs. I have heard of redundancies in a number of large companies. In my previous large corporate employer before I joined the capitalist imperialist running dogs oppressing the workers, 3 months downturn led very quickly to talk (and action shortly after) on head count reduction as it is a business with expensive (skilled) staff costs that can bite quickly if you don’t have cashflow and margins to support it. If we aren’t designing, it won’t be built in a year or 2.
      Payment delays and overdues are much worse as well compared to a year ago, which is a sign from previous recessions that things are going to get nasty.
      
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      August 6, 2018 7:43pm
- softail 1450
  
  inandout, and the fool using one of John Keys recent quotes to fortify his points was spew inducing…
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:42am
- freethinker
  
  I didn’t know Nania was out swimming.
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:34pm
softail 1450

You know there’s a problem when Alfies husband Grant quotes John Key on Garners lefty tv show concerning the economy.
The new deflecting buzz phrase coming from the COL is ” transitioning the economy” FFS this cabal couldn’t transition a young labour pissup and make it “sexual assault free”,how the fuck are they going to transition an economy?
Be afraid NZ , be very afraid….
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August 6, 2018 8:12am
- DigNap15
  
  Maybe they are going to transition us into a Venezuela type economy?
  Or a hemp growing, basket weaving one, based on Maori culture?
  Or one where every student is equal (equally bad) at English, maths and science.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:15am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Speaking of students, Sonny Bill is doing a degree. Well I never….
    He says there is life after footy. At least Sonny Bill will not have to pay fees for the first year. ?
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:24am
    - softail 1450
      
      W G, I’m not a rugby follower but have a lot of time for S B W,he’s mostly kept his record clean and is a big contributor with his time to young NZ’rs.
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:46am
      - waikatogirl
        
        SBW’s Not the brightest bulb softail. ?
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:52am
      - Jack5
        
        SBW’s promoting Islam.
        
        The Islamic PR team that pulls off periodic propaganda publicity stunts will use him for years to come.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:53am
      - Jack5
        
        Detail: I see that Sonny Bill is among 10 Blues players doing a bachelor’s degree in “applied management” through the Auckland campus of Otago Polytechnic.
        
        The axe is coming down on the pseudo-university expansion of polytechnics in New Zealand.
        
        I would imagine that an Otago Polytechnic will find its branches (Cromwell as well as Auckland) will be vulnerable in the imminent reorganisation of the sector.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:07am
    - Philview
      
      He will have to pay fees. I believe it only applies to to Year 13 High School students. I read a couple of articles that poorer background students many of whom dropped out before Year 13 and had to do foundation year courses or have been working missed out on the free fees this year.
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:57am
      - softail 1450
        
        W G, he’s a rugby player not a Rhodes Scholar W G…
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:06am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      He’ll be great for advertising . . .
      
      ‘If we gave this dude a ceremony, there’s nothing on earth that can stop you – enrol now’
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:28am
    - dime
      
      is SBW doing a degree? I thought it was just some coaching papers.
      
      the dude gets a bad rap. ive only met a couple of people that have had dealings with him over the years. apparently a good guy. works his ass off.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:41am
    - Longknives
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/88724462/sonny-bill-williams-bmw-sponsorship-reviewed-over-links-to-muslim-extremists
      
      Fucking great guy alright!
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:57am
      - dime
        
        oh god lol
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Longknives, we too often think of Muslims merely as thickos who can be recruited as suicide bombers.
        
        The still-small Islamic community in NZ is expanding under the radar of media coverage, with mosques in regions.
        
        On the other hand the community pulls off some clever PR stunts that command media attention and sympathy.
        
        The community even seems to influence our courts, as with the astonishing sentence of a Christchurch would-be terrorist to probation in close collaboration with local Islamic leaders – and, of course, golf lessons.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:12am
- Simon
  
  “transitioning the economy”
  
  Labo cant do shit. They are mongs held in place by BRR & NZ’s overseas creditors.
  
  Labo are good for a normal range of fuck ups but they go for anything else and NZ interest rates go up and goodbye Labo.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:45am
  - softail 1450
    
    Simon, yeah but much more importantly, Grant is the first Gay NZ minister of finance…
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:48am
    - mandk
      
      Cullen was pretty gay in another sense of the word.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:38am
DigNap15

I cant wait to see what Jacinda comes up with in a months time to get more business confidence.
She is going to make a major speech then.
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August 6, 2018 8:13am
- Poppa
  
  If she resigned it would help
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    The date of an early election.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:32am
- KevOB
  
  Is she going to formally welcome the GFC or Antifa?
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:06am
- Viking2
  
  Last week she said that there was going to be an important announcement from Herself and Willie the Wanker , the two faced hypocrite on Charter schools, talking about the new rules that are coming on Industrial relations.
  Jones was indicating last night that Labour were not going to get their own way.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:20am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  I saw HARBINGER of the govt message from a union flunkie on the tv yesterday……business confidence is a political stunt, yet teachers, police.ird & nurses strikes a not political but a reaction to 9 years of national underfunding. simple.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:28am
waikatogirl

The teachers are involving primary aged children in their fight/strike with the COLL for higher payments by getting little children to draw their favourite teacher and say how they would miss them if their teacher wasn’t there any more.

Children are innocent and should be kept out of industrial relations and adult politics. They are not pawns to be used by the teachers for their own pecuniary advantage.
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August 6, 2018 8:13am
- Viking2
  
  Teachers are grown up infants in most cases. What do you expect?
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:24am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Teachers, as someone once said, are
    
    Men amongst children, but
    Children amongst men.
    
    (In a bygone age when most teachers were male.)
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:28am
    - sooty
      
      Yep. Never left school, since 5years old.
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:33am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      And someone once said that rural people are ignorant and unsophisticated due to the idiocy of rural life. The fact that someone once said something doesn’t make it true.
      
      Also: the fuckwits pretending teaching’s a cushy number for childish people should shut their gobs until they’ve spent a while trying to get 30+ kids to do what they’re told and learn stuff.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:07am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Insecure people often dislike teachers, who are a common source of information or behaviour that contrasts with, or even contradicts, what children have experienced at home.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:18am
      - Viking2
        
        Time that you learnt that you can’t forc people to do what they don’t want to do. (well the COL thinks they can of course but they can’t).
        And that the difference, encouraging people to learn rather than beating them up.
        I doubt there is a person on KB that couldn’t tell you about their best teacher and the worst. One encourages and gets kids excited about learning, the other is there for the pay.
        We shouldn’t forget that teachers are people also and the abilities are the sum of their experiences, so ifthey didn’t learn by encouragement why would we expect them to act that way?
        
        One can compare kids at 4-5 looking forward to school and then within a short time that has become a chore. No excitement left.
        
        Watched it happen to my own kids and my grand kids.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:35am
      - Longknives
        
        Yep- Working 9 to 3 is one hell of a tough day!
        Especially while wearing a Bone Carving and spouting Socialist nonsense to confused kids..
        Teachers sure earn those massive holidays!
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:54am
      - lilman
        
        Psycho I think teaching is piss easy.
        
        Try getting up at 2.30 every morning to be at work by 3 am.
        Try working outside in all weather an seasons.
        Try working 72 hours legal (not to mention the other hours]
        Try driving in traffic on shitty roads and hoping you dont get killed every day.
        Try getting 4 weeks holiday a year.
        Try sometimes staying away from your family for up to 5 nights a week in hotels with a tea ands cut lunch provided.
        Try doing all that and then getting paid $17.00 p/h.
        
        Dont tell me how hard Teachers work as I am on school boards and give up my time and any monies made are returned to the school as it is a choice I make .
        
        What Im saying is you think Teacher have it tuff.
        Think again.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        lilman, do you do the milk deliveries and get paid that poorly?
        
        Sucker!
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:07pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Lilman: the fact that other people have unpleasant working conditions isn’t relevant to the fact that getting 30+ kids to do as they’re told and learn stuff isn’t easy.
        
        Longknives: it’s easy to spout ignorant bullshit about other people’s jobs, if you’re a maliciously-inclined dim bulb. Your job will be no exception.
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:40pm
      - KevOB
        
        … trying to get 30+ kids to do what they’re told and learn stuff.
        The Union way: bash it into them.
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Dude, Kiwibloggers won’t like that comment. Kiwibloggers know that the education system has crumbled since teachers were allowed to assault the students.
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:29pm
      - lilman
        
        HELLO…………checked and checked again,didnt say I was earinng $17.00 an hour.
        Thing is people work hard at most jobs,to say one deserves more than the other is often judged by which job you do.
        
        I would rather be a Teacher any day than work the hours of some driver for less a lot less pay then a teacher can earn.
        
        Also if you cant organize 30 plus children then you ,as an adult need another job.
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:59pm
holysheet

This wife came home early and found her husband in their bedroom making love to a very attractive young woman and she was upset. ‘You are a disrespectful pig!’ she cried. ‘How dare you do this to me — a faithful wife, the mother of your children! I’m leaving you. I want a divorce right away!’
The husband replied, ‘Hang on just a minute love, so at least I can tell you what happened.’
‘Go ahead,’ she sobbed,’ but they’ll be the last words you’ll say to me!’
So the husband began — ‘Well, I was getting into the car to drive home, and this young lady here asked me for a lift. She looked so down and out and defenceless that I took pity on her and let her into the car. I noticed that she was very thin, not well dressed and very dirty. She told me that she hadn’t eaten for three days. So, in my compassion, I brought her home and warmed up the enchiladas I made for you last night, the ones you wouldn’t eat because you’re afraid you’ll put on weight. The poor thing devoured them in moments. Since she needed a good clean-up, I suggested a shower, and while she was doing that, I noticed her clothes were dirty and full of holes, so I threw them away. Then, as she needed clothes, I gave her the designer jeans that you have had for a few years, but don’t wear because you say they are too tight. I also gave her the underwear that was your anniversary present, which you don’t wear because I don’t have good taste. I found the sexy blouse my sister gave you for Christmas that you don’t wear just to annoy her, and I also donated those boots you bought at the expensive boutique and don’t wear because someone at work has a pair the same.’
The husband took a quick breath and continued – ‘She was so grateful for my understanding and help that as I walked her to the door, she turned to me with tears in her eyes and said, ‘Please ….. Do you have anything else that your wife doesn’t use?
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August 6, 2018 8:15am
Prince

I saw a particularly nasty column from Labour apologist Jane Bowron on Stuff this morning, with the usual personal attacks on various National MP’s.

Something about National ‘toffs’, Bridges and Key’s diction and accents, attacks on Amy Adams and Collins. Ho hum.

Thought this was particularly tasteless piece of ‘journalism’ but not surprised from that quarter.

It must have been particularly vile as it seems to have been removed from the site. Possibly too defamatory or just in such poor taste even Stuff has withdrawn it.

I’m not sure under what category Bowron and her ilk are allowed access to write their diatribes now hate speech is a thing in NZ.
Political commentary ? Hardly, unless ‘My Tribe good, the other lot evil’ constitutes political writing now.
Witty repartee ? Nope. Nothing clever in mocking someone’s speech pattern or appearance.

I can only surmise she is a friend of one of the editors.

Anyway, keep an eye out for a reappearance, probably heavily edited. Her vitriol is so off-putting it is one of National’s best weapons.
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August 6, 2018 8:20am
- Viking2
  
  Oh Mate, go onto Facebook and find the posts about the Canadians. The lefty vitriol is mind numbing.
  Look at the Facebook pages of some of them and most seem to entitled NZer’s who were edifnicated at our Universities. Its a worry it is.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:29am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Bowrons a Bitch on a Broomstick.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:30am
- softail 1450
  
  Prince , she may have realized it’s not a good idea to make a contribution while half drunk or heavily hungover and simply removed it.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I listened carefully to Simon Bridges on RNZ this morning and he does have a problem with enunciating some words.
  
  I think this is a matter that should be addressed as people turn off from speech they find hard to decipher.
  
  A decent speech teacher should be able to assist him with some exercises to bring clarity to his speech.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:33am
  - chuk
    
    Agreed Maggy. He could also try to get rid of that rasp in his voice which makes him sound like an affected school kid. He needs some gravitas.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah, I’ve not encountered that particular problem before, but there must be a way to work around it, as some of his words are clear.
      The rasp becomes more apparent towards the end of his sentences.
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:55am
      - Harkman
        
        Exactly Maggy, he does need a voice coach and and while he isn’t overweight as such, if he could drop a suit size it would make him look more polished “like he owns that suit” in James Bond vernacular. But remember Clark only polled 2% at one stage.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:40am
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, Simon B’s speech could be subtly improved quickly and subtly.
        
        Give Bridges a chance. He’s intelligent, and a few quick elocution lessons and daily practice would make him more effective. His speech might become a distinguishing asset, as the lisp was to Churchill.
        
        New Zealanders will eventually be bored by the middle-aged working mum’s baby saga.
        
        In the meantime, so bedazzled are the media’s mainly female reporters, with the their biological clocks ticking away their 30s and 40s, they’ve scarcely noticed that Jacinderella has identified hereself as being in the anti-free-speech camp.
        
        On Churchill’s speech:
        
        https://richardlangworth.com/churchills-speech-problem-a-lisp-not-a-stutter
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Jack
        I know you are interested in Churchill. I found this book recently. It has an interesting essay about Churchill’s use of rhetoric:
        https://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Shadow-Confronting-Modern-Britain/dp/0195219260/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1533521814&sr=8-1&keywords=in+churchill%27s+shadow
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thank you, Milky. I’ve put it on the “to read” list.
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:56pm
    - geoff3012
      
      Here”s a jolly good idea…why doesn’t he dye his hair and learn to walk funny…….no, already been done…
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:20am
      - GazzaW
        
        Personal attacks on personal appearance lower the overall standard of the comments regardless of the politics involved.
        
        I’m guessing that you’re a perfect physical specimen geoff and expect to remain so.
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:00pm
    - cha
      
      which makes him sound like an affected school kid
      
      His vocal fry makes him sound like an affected young woman.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY
      
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      August 6, 2018 5:29pm
  - Lance
    
    Not just the words but the style.
    Changed Maggy Thatchers career big time.
    From a whimpy irritating voice to a voice of authority.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:50am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I’m reading a biography of Margaret Thatcher, ‘Not for Turning’ by Robert Harris. Britain was riddled with socialism and strikes, their highest unemployment and the economy was circling the drain when MT became leader. We need a Margaret Thatcher to lead us out of the current mess!
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:00am
      - wiseowl
        
        Or a Trump!
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:18am
      - Harkman
        
        I hope it is better than that Meryl Streep trash. Which was just a hit job on Britain’s most successful leader since Churchill.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:32am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        We’ll be in such a mess soon enough, we’ll need both of them!
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:33am
  - Philview
    
    I think it is the legal training. He gives highly detailed explanations and it is easy to lose the point.
    However, I have listened to a couple of RNZ interviews with Jacinda and they are lovefests whereas Simon has been give some very hostile interviews. (I didn’t hear the one this morning). He has done well in the interviews I have heard.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:51am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      What are you going to do – be hostile to a new mother ? Hel-loooooo ??
      
      That’s women abuse or some shit.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:37am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Try listening to JA sometime. Aside from the fact she only knows 4 sentences and repeats them ad-nauseam, she can barely pronounce basic words. I guess her constituency is blind to this and still see her as somewhat of a genius.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:56am
    - Philview
      
      When the interviews are pretty much the interviewer telling Jacinda how wonderful she is it is fairly easy. Poor old Simon has the interviewer shouting in his face (that is what it sounds like on the radio).
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      But but but BABBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEE!
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:09am
    - calendar girl
      
      An irritation with JA’s speech is her pronunciation of ‘t’ as ‘d’ in the middle of words. For example: better = ‘bedder’
      later = ‘layder’
      shooting = ‘shooding’
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:16am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Aunty Hulun pronounces her t’s as d’s as well. Cindy must have picked up that pronounciation while working in the older PM’s office. A bit like how a parrot mimicks his owner. ?
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:35am
      - Philview
        
        I live down south and thought it must be a North Island pronunciation (T as Ds) as hear it on TV a bit but not locally. Some Americans are prone to this as well.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:58am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, you an English elocution policewoman?
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:02am
    - graham
      
      stephieboy, seriously, what is your problem with Maggy?
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:08am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Maggie is smarter than him and he knows it. A lot of people are smarter than him and he resents that.
        
        Rather than becoming smarter himself, he spends his time here making disparaging comments to and about others which make him feel better about himself.
        
        SB has some intellect, a pity that it is mostly misdirected (well in this forum in any event)
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Paulus, “Stephieboy” is a syndicate of posters.
        
        Sometimes we have on roster one recently off the plane from Stephiestan, and he/she posts like someone from the Raj era of India, and with only slight grasp of English pronunciation.
        
        There’s another Stephie who is a bloody pervert and talks of his expeditions to leer on young girls at the local mall.
        
        And another quite angry fellow. Then there’s this one, with an unhealthy obsession about Maggy. I would advise her to get a German Shepherd guard dog.
        
        One claims to be a Christian, but most are obviously Stephiestani Muslims.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No,
      stephieboy, there is no such thing.
      
      I am a listener. After 60+ years listening to the radio/tv/movies/people’s speech, I have a fair idea of what works and what doesn’t.
      
      However… I did take elocution lessons as a child, and I’m a pretty good public speaker.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:15am
      - stephieboy
        
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        MW , speak” Queens English”?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDksS5LrxkU
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You really are out of your depth on this topic, stephieboy.
        
        I don’t speak with an RP accent.
        
        I’m from Castlecliff.. and I’m sure an expert could spot that.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:42am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      No – but she’s part of the giant downtick lynch mob.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:43am
  - realityczech
    
    Bridges is not the right choice to swing voters and secure a win. The one eyed National fan boys support him out of tribalism, not because he is any good. I will vote National regardless of who is the figurehead, but they need someone with wider appeal.
    
    Expect a second term of Labour if Bridges stays in his current role.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:49am
    - Philview
      
      Wider appeal seems to be LGBT friendly etc John Key could turn up at Gay Pride marches and fit in. However, the coalition is a coalition of chaos. Simon just needs to stay firm to his own middle New Zealand values and he will be fine.
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Bowron should stick to being a TV reporter, although to be fair, she wasn’t particularly good at that either. She started writing political columns midway through John Key’s reign as PM, and they fair dripped with her left-wing vitriol.
  
  Little wonder that Fairfax is heading down the tubes.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:00am
hullkiwi

Two pieces from the weekend, that make you think the world is on its head.
1. The Sunday piece on Southern/Molyeneaux was half hearted, but the threats from the left to first boycott and then ban the programme highlights exactly where the left are on free speech.
2. A Boa constrictor eats a pigeon on the streets of East London. The RSPCA get involved. Are they worried about the people or animals in the area. No, they are worried about any harm that may come to the snake. Now let is understand this, a Boa is an exotic snake to the UK, the RSPCA are worried it may get run over by a bus or attacked by another animal. Give me strength, they should be more worried about which goon is keeping exotic animals in urban London that they are unable to control, and there are multiple risks if these animals escape to people & the environment.
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August 6, 2018 8:20am
- waikatogirl
  
  Story the other day about a blind woman who got into her shower and realised she was not alone after putting her hand on something cold and scaly. After summoning help her shower companion was found to be a large python entwined around her shower head. ?
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:31am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That story of the exotic snake devouring a British pigeon could be weaponized, in the wrong hands…
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:32am
oldpark

Seems its alright when they do it. Sometime ago the woman known as ms/ Ardern being paid as a list MP in NZs Parliament,with the blessing of her Party she headed off to Europe to address a bunch of so called young socialist/commie youths.
Ardern on addressing the crowd was heard to utter the words comrades at least 15 times. Since then she is known in commie European circles as the “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern from NZ.Imagine just a few days ago Ardern put the boot into Two Young Canadians who thought that NZ would be open to” free speech”.Talk about a mirror with two faces,and a chanter of Comrade Comrade at least 15 times Ardern supported the attack and verbal assault on the two innocent Canadians.
From NZs so called Main Stream Media infested with” lunatics from far left”. To name a few RNZ,DOMINION POST ,NZ HERALD TV3
.Even worse NZs taxpayer funded TVNZ came out with the comment,of “Free Speech Fanatics”.Not a good look for the once famous NZs hard fought rights for democracy.

Starting to look that if the type of attack on free speech by peope like Ardern and her sycophants is continued ,Will not be long before NZ is known as the “Socialist Republic of South Pacific”
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August 6, 2018 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  Like lunch time
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:50am
- wiseowl
  
  Very good point about Adern OP.
  The comments from Little saying ‘good riddance ‘ were disgusting but this morning Bridges response to the Canadians on Red Radio was a major disappointment.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:08am
Viking2

Is Jones exerting his authority over the Col?
Looking at him last night I sense that he is about to blow the useless apart.
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August 6, 2018 8:31am
secondcumming

We watched the panel discussion on Q&A last night……my missus reckoned that woman from the Islamic Association looked a bit like Paul Eagle in drag 🙁
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August 6, 2018 8:36am
- stephieboy
  
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  secondcumming. is that all you and your missus have got to grizzle about?
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:58am
  - secondcumming
    
    @stephieboy
    
    thanks for taking the time to complete and return the survey….
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjubcQoWsAE0Y0R.jpg
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:27am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You mean the woman from the Islamic Association, Anjum Rahman, who was a Labour Party list candidate in 2014? It’s really odd that Q&A didn’t disclose that.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274153
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:04am
- Viking2
  
  Nasty witch.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m told she thinks very highly of you, though.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:48pm
RF

I note that Ardern is trying to dump her dithering soft image and show “her teeth” by booting the two terrible Canadians from our shores.

She would like us to gather around and sit at her feet whilst she tells us tales of the evil people that she has saved us from.

What a sanctimonious little brat.
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August 6, 2018 8:43am
- stephieboy
  
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  RF, Jacinda never booted the “terrible twins” from our shore. In fact, her Immigration minister let them in.
  
  The venue owner pulled the plug on the booking.
  
  Simple!
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:50am
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie dont’t forget visting hours, zetv will be waiting for toothpaste and pork chops.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:53am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      …….and goat’s milk.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:45am
- Psycho Milt
  
  I note that Ardern is trying to dump her dithering soft image and show “her teeth” by booting the two terrible Canadians from our shores.
  
  I note that you just made that up.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:58am
Harkman

That garbage on the Sunday show last night was an absolute disgrace. Talk about jack up, they send an “indigenous woman” to interview them. They consult with Paul Spoonley, an ultra neo-Marxist. They rabbit on and on about “privelege” a term they have taken from American lefty activists. And they have Davidson and Kamo pushing an agenda. Then at the end they have some Somali who is not assimilating say “you can’t have diversity of thought without diversity of people.” Bollocks, on one side of my family I had Catholic Labour supporters and on the other, farming, non religious National voters. Just a joke.
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August 6, 2018 8:47am
- stephieboy
  
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  Harkman,
  
  “..They consult with Paul Spoonley, an ultra neo-Marxist” ???
  
  You’re obviously deluded.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:52am
  - geoff3012
    
    How about “fuckwit” then…that better?
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You shouldn’t watch TV if it upsets you so much.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:00am
  - MCos
    
    He was waiting for the item about artificially enlarged mammary glands.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:11am
  - Jack5
    
    C’mon Milky, people are allowed to comment on TV without you jumping on them and telling them if they don’t like it don’t watch it.
    
    We’ve got a State dominance of TV in NZ. Surely the plebs can criticise it.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:57am
- Lance
  
  Agree it was a joke of a program.
  Nobody asked the Somali woman her views on say sharia law.
  Islam was a race
  She spouted some crap about a ‘white’ woman wanting her to leave the country after she gave her a ride to the airport (WTF?). My BS meter was off the scale and after complaining about these wicked Canadians pigeon holing races, she implied all ‘white’ people are racist by wanted her to leave NZ because of what one woman (supposedly) said to her.
  They presented as racist the anti-Islam posters (Islam is a race?) but spectacularly ignoring the endless assault on all things Christian.
  It was a crock of shit, I guess I didn’t expect anything else though.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:00am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Racist ?
    Or – no to third world losers with dumbarse weirdo cultures who do stupid shit like wanting their own personal swimming pool day for their segregated women; organised by ‘multicultural committees.’
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:58am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Tania Page’s 17 minute segment gave more time to Davidson and Spoonley insisting that opinions they disagree with should not be allowed, than to Molyneux and Southern who did not say anything hateful or disrespectful. They made no call for violence against minorities, no claims of superiority.
    Did Tania Page miss the irony of the hate speech and anti-free speech both coming from the left?
    
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    August 6, 2018 1:20pm
    - Viking2
      
      And of course she explained herself as being indigenous Maori.
      whiter than white but Maori. FFS
      Wonder what it would tell her if she was ever brave enough to take a DNA test?
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:51pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  …Paul Spoonley, an ultra neo-Marxist.
  
  Could you explain what an “ultra neo-Marxist” is, and what leads you to believe Paul Spoonley is one?
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Snigger.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:02am
  - wiseowl
    
    Try arsehole for Spoonley.
    That’s enough.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:04am
    - stephieboy
      
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      wiseowl, your brain churning around inside?
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:07am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You are going to ‘try arsehole’ for Spoonley? Shouldn’t you be enjoying anal sex for your own sake?
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:07am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Snigger
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:08am
      - Jack5
        
        Spoonley an ultra neo-Marxist?
        
        Harkman in his 8.47 post was probably alluding to the fact that Spoonley is a multiculturist. I don’t think Spoonley would deny that. Some might say Spoonley is NZ’s arch-multiculturist.
        
        Many argue that multiculturism either stems from, or is heavily influenced by, the “Frankfurt School” of political thought, via Cultural Marxism.
        
        The neo-Marxist “Frankfurt School” dates back to Germany in the 1920s.
        
        This is from the Far Right (perhaps Far-Far Right) Metapedia web site:
        
        T he Frankfurt School was perceived to be a communist organization and was closed down within six weeks of Hitler’s ascent to power. It migrated to the United States (until after World War II), where it was also widely perceived to be a communist organization.
        
        Prominent members of the Frankfurt school include Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Friedrich Pollock, Erich Fromm, Walter Benjamin, and Jürgen Habermas.
        
        Here’s an article from the same Far-Right site on Cultural Marxism:
        
        https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        ‘Cultural Marxism’ is best known today as snarl words on blogs.
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:20pm
- kowtow
  
  Diversity ?
  
  We have lots of that here. But wait I thought Tim Barnett’s bill was going to solve this .
  
  Double diversity whammy.
  
  ” “When I asked the professionals what they thought might give it away that someone had been trafficked, they said ‘oh, speaks very little English and locked up.’ They had really bought into the dominant narrative of what constitutes trafficking.”
  
  Thorburn described a sex traffic victim as “anyone who is being forced or coerced into doing sex work against their will.”
  
  She spoke to victims who had been forced to sell sex by family members, gang associates, or boyfriends.
  
  Their lives were marked by violence, no choices and no financial gain for the sex work they were forced to undertake.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105972846/coerced-sex-work-a-significant-problem-in-new-zealand
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:16am
  - Jack5
    
    Diversity, Kowtow?
    
    How about Diversititty?
    
    A woman radio announcer in Auckland in a court case over an Asian taxi driver saying to her:
    
    “”No pay, I touch your breasts.”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12101294
    
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    August 6, 2018 2:27pm
- Harkman
  
  Spoonley is a liar too. He was speaking to Sean Plunket back during mass media generated crisis of Syrian refugees. Spoonley said refugees like those Key was pressured to take all play an active role in the community. Crap, their labour participation rate was 29% compared to the overall economy’s 68%, and their unemployment was 26-30% compared with 5.7% at the time. Spoonley couldn’t be more wrong. Pants on fire stuff.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:18am
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    Harkman, their labour participation rate right now? Not shortly after they arrived.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:22am
    - Harkman
      
      Several years after arriving.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:44am
MCos

Amusing tweet
https://twitter.com/mikel_jollett/status/1026117474549288960?s=21
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- stephieboy
  
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  I hope wanker Stephen Molyneux looks at it. Claiming his brain is superior to a Black’s brain.
  
  LOL
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:55am
  - Inandout
    
    Kevin Black?
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It is.
    The relative success and economic development of Western cultures compared with those of Africa will show you that.
    Or don’t you want to know?
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:37am
    - stephieboy
      
      I can assure you that the former President’s brain ( and his wife and family) is no different to yours.
      
      The same in respect of Africa in general!
      
      The great divergence !
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Divergence
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:38am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    When did Molyneux ever say that?
    Proof with references please.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Last night on TV One he distinctly claimed his brain was better than a Blacks Brain.
      
      “Hate speech or free speech “,
      
      https://www.facebook.com/SundayTVNZ/videos/2139463859397114/
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:42am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Are you quite sure that is what he said?
        Did he use the words superior, or better?
        Perhaps you’d better watch your link again.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:50am
      - Inandout
        
        Listen to Leighton, he will sort your brain out. Molyneux once again has been taken out of context.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:58am
      - stephieboy
        
        Shaun the Sheep,
        
        “Did he use the words superior, or better?
        
        Explain the distinction in the context of the interview.
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:09pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        You clearly didnt watch the programme properly. The reporter said he had said that, but during the report & interview he did not say anything of the sort as to what you’ve just accused him of saying.
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:22pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        stephieboy
        
        “Did he use the words superior, or better?
        Explain the distinction in the context of the interview.
        
        Let me put this in words of one syllable for you:
        He did not say that.
        You made it up.
        
        squawk
        
        LOL
        See your doctor.
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:43pm
  - pentwig
    
    stupidboy
    as you know, daffy duck has a larger brain than you
    
    you even demonstrate the fact every day on KB
    
    LOL
    
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    August 6, 2018 12:35pm
  - CharlieBrown
    
    You just said his brain is superior to a blacks brain. I’ll quote you even
    
    his brain is superior to a Black’s brain.
    
    LOL
    
    Thats reprehensible stuff you racist.<
    
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    August 6, 2018 2:42pm
kowtow

Our media relentlessly go on about the USA “under Trump” and all things negative.

We have problems at home the lying media need to address before we get too high and mighty about America.

‘Up to six gunshots were fired at a St Clair home in an apparent drive-by shooting early yesterday morning, residents of the street say.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/six-shots-fired-vehicle-home-st-clair
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August 6, 2018 9:09am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, five fatalities at this recent Maryland “targeted shooting is a fact and reality of US daily life.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/28/capital-gazette-shooting-annapolis-latest-live-news-updates-today-maryland
  
  The six-shot drive by pales in comparison.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:19am
  - Inandout
    
    And there was an earthquake in Indonesia, and Muslims were blown up in Afghanistan.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , your point?
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:28am
      - Inandout
        
        The point is we can all squirrel like you.
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:59am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Galah – if you scroll back through your last 10,000 posts you will see conclusive evidence that having a point is not mandatory here.
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:10pm
- MCos
  
  I took a look at this morning’s NZ Herald in light of this comment.
  (The print edition. The online version is too awful for my liking.)
  You can’t get any more mainstream than that and there was less than third of a page of Trump news.
  Hardly relentless coverage.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:28am
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The USA under Trump. The latest!

“This was a meeting to get information on an opponent”: Trump changes his story on Russia meeting

In denying reports he’s worried about legal scrutiny of Donald Trump Jr., Trump made a big shift in how he talks about the Trump Tower meeting.

President Donald Trump hit back at reports he’s worried his son Donald Trump Jr. could be in legal jeopardy over his involvement in the meeting in Trump Tower to get dirt on Hillary Clinton in 2016. The president’s defense: The meeting, which the administration initially wrote off as about Russian adoption, was, in fact, to get information on a political opponent. And that’s “totally legal.” But Trump himself definitely didn’t know about it.

Trump appeared to be reacting by a story by Philip Rucker, Robert Costa, and Ashley Parker at the Washington Post juxtaposing Trump’s private “brooding” and public “roaring” in recent days. The Post reports Trump has been increasingly anxious about special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections and expressed to confidants concern that some people around him, including his eldest son, might be caught up in the probe.

Trump Jr. is under scrutiny for his role in organizing a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 between campaign officials and Russians — a move that the president worries means he “inadvertently may have wandered into legal jeopardy,” the Post reports. CNN separately reported that Trump is concerned about his son’s exposure in the Russia probe.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/5/17653136/trump-tower-meeting-tweet-trump-jr
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- Harkman
  
  Vox is a far left news outlet, same as the DNC or MSNBC.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman and Inandout, shall we try the conservative Daily Telegraph instead,?
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/05/donald-trump-admits-son-met-russian-get-information-hillary/
    
    Or an alt right staple ,The Daily Mail,
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-6029035/Trump-admits-son-met-Russian-information-opponent.html
    
    LOL
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:24am
    - Harkman
      
      Alt right? The Daily Mail is the most read rag in the English speaking world.
      
      Anyhow did he get any info? NOOOOOOO
      
      What about Obama’s Justice department, outsourcing investigatory processes you the Clinton campaign? Spying on political rivals Banana Republic style? Trying to plant smears and then leaking these smears. Hillary is the most corrupt women in the world.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hartmann, blah , blah…!
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:24am
    - Harkman
      
      Natalia Veselnitskaya was deliberately let into the US by John Kerry to damage team Trump, who didn’t know who she was. Further evidence the corrupt Obama Administration was spying on a political rivals.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        Harkman, sources, please?
        
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        August 6, 2018 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  What about the quietly suppressed emails and the Clinton Foundation? And you quote from the bible of the Left FGS.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, what about them?
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:29am
Harkman

Right now on Radiolive, Sainsbury is saying Labour is a shoe in for a second term. National are stuffed, Bridges has the worst job in the world and Cindy is invincible. Did he see the same poll numbers I saw? National at 45%, a 3-4% swing (which is the margin of error) against the CoL and they are wiped out. Just wait for bad policy to have an effect.
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August 6, 2018 9:28am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sainsbury is a lefty has-been. He won’t change.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:39am
  - Harkman
    
    The lefty trolls are out in full force this morning giving us down ticks.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:42am
- Poppa
  
  There is a long time in political terms before the next election, however, I am fairly sure National will change their leader before that time.
  
  Simon just doesn’t resonate with Joe Average. Their core is obviously loyal at 45% but that in itself is not enough to win in 2020
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:45am
  - Philview
    
    It wouldn’t matter a jot who the National is leader given the saturated media coverage saying how wonderful Jacinda is.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:13am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Correct Phil. Opposition leaders really struggle for air time, but it’s the perfect storm for Bridges having to compete both with Ardern and baby Neve.
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:30am
- Lance
  
  Sainsbury just simply looks for idiotic things to say that denigrate National. That’s about the level of insight involved.
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:46am
  - Inandout
    
    Leighton is back.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:50am
    - stephieboy
      
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      ZZZZZZzzzz…
      
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      August 6, 2018 10:25am
      - Inandout
        
        Asleep on the goat again?
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:01am
      - Swifty
        
        They’re both lying back having a cigarette.
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:33pm
- Harriet
  
  National only has to go along with the publics skepticism of the COL and it will collapse under their over enthusiastic behaviour; kiwis have seen for over a decade where their money comes from, continued business confidence and rising house prices, but they now see the COL meddling with both, via the unions and poor business and accommodation policy.
  
  She’ll go before Bridges does — the NZ Wimmins Weekly, Stuff, TVNZ et el don’t really have any large international markets. Well not in the real economy.
  
  Well maybe milk powder. 😎
  
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  August 6, 2018 9:49am
- RF
  
  Sainsbury is a hairy faced old git who is so out of touch.
  
  Time he was given the chop…..
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:24pm
- KevOB
  
  And its’s coming for the present Finance Minister unawares. The GFC will not be denied a student polly that believes he is in control.
  
  2020 should be a National takeover. Someone has to be able to manage.
  
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  August 6, 2018 1:34pm
waikatogirl

Magnitude 7 earthquake in Lombok.
Justice minister Andrew Little says it was a “pretty full on experience” being caught in the magnitude 7 earthquake that struck Indonesia late on Sunday.
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August 6, 2018 9:42am
- MrLovebucket
  
  The gods are clearly angry with Little and I think the locals should burn him as a witch to appease the heavens.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:57am
dime

It’s funny watching the glee from lefties about the speech being cancelled.

Those people should remember – it can go the other way too.

The best example is Obama ruling by decree. The left thought it was just wonderful at the time! just bypass the Senate. fuck em. he’s doing the right thing! (ends always justifies the means if youre a leftie POS)

Then Trump came along and did the same thing and it was like the world ended.
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August 6, 2018 9:46am
- stephieboy
  
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  dime,
  
  “The best example is Obama ruling by decree. ”
  
  ???
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:22am
  - dime
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Barack_Obama
    
    dipshit.
    
    and yes, all presidents do executive orders, but Obama was the first to do it for major shit.
    
    Not to mention he never passed a fucking budget.
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:36am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Apparently Hanoi Jane is coming here to tell us how terrible Trump is.
  What if somebody on the right threatened violence if her speech goes ahead?
  Would the venue pull the pin and would Cindy and the angry one offer their opinions of what New Zealanders think of ‘alt left’ personalities?
  Just asking.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:29am
  - Inandout
    
    Or a bomb call, lol.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:02am
  - Kabull
    
    Chelsea Manning is coming to speak as well. No doubt she will be welcomed by all followers of Hager et al. But the decent ‘Right’ will not try to shut her down or protest …
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:21am
secondcumming

I can tell you one thing…….it’s the last fucking time me and the missus ever take the dogs for a walk through Totara Park.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj3XYgpXgAA8LVE.jpg
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August 6, 2018 9:48am
big bruv

Stephen Jones hits the nail on the head once again.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/106031809/english-rugby-critic-stephen-jones-blasts-crusaders-and-super-rugby
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August 6, 2018 9:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a clown this Jones is.
  You too Bruv.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Jones has a clear agenda; to get all the Saffer sides playing in European competitions.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:40am
  - flipper
    
    Any detail on 2018 AB Squad today ???
    News ???
    Anyone ???
    BTW … Jones, last seem entering fleet Street’s Cheshire Cheese before writing his garbage is worse than Reason ever was.
    O’Gara , having spent the last four months with the Crusaders ,may know just a little more than the so called (He is a known pisshead) Welsh scribbler!
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:52am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Squad announced at midday
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12101953
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:05pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yeah all those World Cup titles up north. That’s really showed us.
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:35am
- Nookin
  
  Dear Mr Jones.
  You say that if the Crusaders are the best team then you would hate to see the worst. The Blues are close to the bottom. Remember them? They beat the British and Irish Lions last year.
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Pass the burn cream. That was an absolute stinger Nookin.
    
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    August 6, 2018 12:06pm
Keeping Stock

The Labour-led government has called an urgent crisis meeting with construction industry to be held at Parliament today.

Shane Jones says the industry wants taxpayers to shoulder more risk. As a taxpayer, I would argue that we are already shouldering an abundance of risk with Jones’ multi-billion-dollar regional slush fund, let alone bailing out the construction industry. Enough is enough Mr Jones!
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August 6, 2018 10:15am
- Poppa
  
  It is a very slippery slope the government getting involved in risk sharing in the private sector
  
  Why should construction be any different to any other private business?
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Amen, amen and amen!
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:40am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s easy to spend taxpayers money, eh Shane…
    Shane showing NZ how it’s done! ?
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:08am
  - Viking2
    
    KS. If they try to do it in traditional media they won’t. Be like Trump go over their heads, constantly. They won’t even notice. The TV’s are now the monor source of entertainment as is red radio. Overtaken by Netflix and Spotify and others. (DPF posted the numbers the other day)
    
    Simon’s problem is that his voice has no authority in it and he still speaks as if in a trial. The is war and being nice doesn’t cut through.
    
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    August 6, 2018 9:07pm
- KevOB
  
  The govt cannot shield NZ from the global credit constraints now emerging.
  
  Passing risks onto the taxpayers? What taxpayers? They are being decimated by closing down opportunities for productive industries. DOC in lock-up: worms rank higher than economic gain that pays for the green benes food bill.
  
  Economics periodically sorts out out the foolish who do not recognise that someone else pays for their free lunch. It also deals with those who spend relying on tomorrow to do them right. Ideology is not gold backed.
  
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  August 6, 2018 1:47pm
stephieboy

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KS,

“Shane Jones says the industry wants taxpayers to shoulder more risk.”

Does he?
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August 6, 2018 10:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  That’s what he said on Q&A last night.
  
  Business is risky at the best of times, but increasing corporate welfare is not the solution.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:48am
Philview

The Otago Daily Times tends to be a left leaning newspaper but has issued a warning about the economy this morning which sums up well all the issues.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/business-charm-offensive-needed
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August 6, 2018 10:25am
- mandk
  
  It’s a good summary.
  
  But it could have gone further by stating that, before making decisions that could profoundly affect entire industries and the economy as a whole, the PM needs to listen to advice from officials and consult with the businesses most likely to be affected.
  
  Feelz, fairy dust and posidividy are for schools kids and simpletons – not serious political leaders.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:37am
  - DigNap15
    
    The word “consult” means nothing anymore.
    They just do what they want
    Government and local councils!
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:43am
  - DigNap15
    
    They wont listen to any advice from business leaders as it will all be against what they want to do to bring in their left wing argenda and payback the unions.
    
    So confidence will keep falling
    Inflation will start to rise
    Unemployment will start to rise
    Beneficiaries are being encouraged to stay home
    Wait till these things really start to kick in, say a year from now!
    
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    August 6, 2018 10:49am
- Jack5
  
  The Otago Daily Times, apart perhaps from the Gisborne Herald, is the last of the locally owned daily newspapers in NZ.
  
  You can see the benefits. The owners, the Smiths, live in the community, and surely feed some practical NZ balance to the editorial staff.
  
  Now that journalists come out of the tertiary mills, they tend to be standard liberal-leftists. In previous times, there was apprenticeship-style training, which often included in intakes adults from other occupations.
  
  This tended to provide a greater range of opinions and attitudes among newspaper staffs, albeit with too few women, except during wartime shortages of males.
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:50am
  - Harriet
    
    Yep…..if central or local government aren’t featured on every page of every newspaper in the country daily, then someone pushing their agenda is; just look how often DHB’s and councils figure in the paper daily. And the education sector. Then you have the radio. NZ is becoming like the Scandinovelty countries, vying to create the perfect civilian via the guidance of the public service institutions of health and education, and their statistics and performance indicators. That ain’t the natural course of things, that’s government intrusion.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:23am
    - Philview
      
      I don’t think it is working so well these days with frequent reports of no go areas and grenade attacks in Sweden. Norway seems happy to make money from oil and natural resources.
      
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      August 6, 2018 2:31pm
- Inandout
  
  The ODT is a business, and unlike other papers in NZ is realistic about their future, which is really in serious trouble.
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:01pm
- KevOB
  
  The ed. writer is hopeful the PM can fix the business confidence with a smile. Does no one learn basic economics and history these days?
  
  NZ is a puddle in a global forest: when it rains on the forest we get swamped. Finance Ministers have traditionally been expected to have some knowledge how NZ Inc. works in the world. Also to be able to steer NZ through the varying globally imposed situations as they arise.
  
  That Grant R. doesn’t seem to have adequate knowledge has to be a serious concern. Ideology doesn’t work in all circumstances.
  
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  August 6, 2018 2:04pm
edenman

Wait until the poor are living in leased Govt owned BMW’s.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/105966832/leasing-exgovernment-cars-to-lower-income-families
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August 6, 2018 10:38am
mandk

@ big bruv (9.49)

Given that only Ireland comes anywhere near the All Blacks at the moment, and the fact that the top level rugby talent is spread more thinly across the leading clubs in Europe than it is in NZ, it is simply absurd to argue that the Crusaders would not trouble the top clubs over there.

Heavens, I bet even the Blues would spank the top clubs in Europe!
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August 6, 2018 10:47am
- Longknives
  
  You are aware that the top Clubs in Europe are loaded with plenty of ex All Blacks, Springboks and Wallabies?
  I think a lot of people are missing the point here…
  Jones wasn’t attacking NZ Rugby- He was lamenting the Super Competition (Which I think most fans agree isn’t what it used to be)
  
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  August 6, 2018 10:53am
  - Harkman
    
    The best players are like Dan Carter and he isn’t even a shadow of his former self.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He didn’t help to make that point by claiming that the European clubs would easily beat NZ super teams.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:24am
  - MCos
    
    The Lions were placed second on the pecking order according to the convoluted conference system even though they had less points than the Hurricanes or the Chiefs. They also won less games than the Highlanders & the same as the Jaguares, but had more bonus points.
    No wonder the crowds have lost interest.
    My area of Mangere Bridge is Blues territory, used to be Chiefs, but there’s far more interest in the Warriors.
    I’ve been to some Blues games. I get the impression there’s a few Blues supporters who remember when they were great plus ex pats cheering for the opposition.
    Another problem in NZ is the awful stadiums with their terrible parking & abysmal catering.
    The problem Eden Park, for example, has is there’s only about 25 days a year of cricket/rugby which makes providing facilities for cooking reasonable food uneconomic.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:28am
  - mandk
    
    Yes, ex All Blacks, Springboks and Wallabies who are past their best or couldn’t sustain a place in the national team.
    
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    August 6, 2018 2:26pm
Dave Mann

I have listened to Stefan Monyneux for a couple of years, so he is not new to me… but I’ve just heard him talking to Stephen Hicks about the history of Europe leading up to the rise of postmodernism.

In this two hour Youtube discussion they analysed together the effects of such things as modernism, the agricultural revolution, the industrial revolution etc and the effects that these events had on individuals’ and nations’ thinking and behaviour (amongst many other subjects).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkfH87CgKOQ

Nothing that either of these men said was even remotely ‘alt-right’, racist, ‘nazi’ or even vaguely slanted towards supremacy of any one group over another.

In my view, its a (literally) frightening thought that such a clear thinker with such a deep grasp of history and culture should be viewed as ‘repugnant’ by the ignorant slime that rules this country and the angry and borderline violent thugs who support them and put them into power.

People who care about western civilisation and don’t want to see it all flushed down the drain of collectivism and mindless tribalism MUST formulate a workable plan to resist the threat which faces us now.

What are we going to do? How should we proceed from here, because if intelligent moral and principled people in the West don’t get their act together really soon, then I fear it will be too late.
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August 6, 2018 11:02am
- Dave Mann
  
  p.s. my question in the final paragraph above was only somewhat rhetorical, because Stefan Molyneux’s work can be financially supported and appreciated at:
  
  https://freedomainradio.com/donate/
  
  …. but I think we need to do more than just this within New Zealand if we are going to save our country from chaos.
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:12am
- waikatogirl
  
  Maybe show the lefties in their own language and take to the streets in massive numbers. A nationwide march down mainstreets, or a march on Parliament to show we are not going to roll over while the COLL demolishes democracy?
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:14am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes, maybe. Its worth a thought.
    
    Who would lead such a march or provide a rallying point? Soimon Bridges?
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:16am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You should. Let us know the time and place and the Kiwiblog faithful will be there in their full strength.
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:22am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thank you Mike. Maybe I’ll think seriously about it…. but as I’m a one legged hunchbacked midget with a severe stutter, I don’t think I would be a very effective focal point for such an event… hmmm….
        😀
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:04pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I have self identified as a maori lesbian with a lisp; nobody argues with me now because, amongst other slurs, it would be racist!
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:15pm
    - Kabull
      
      What surprised me this morning was Hosking saying he hadn’t listened to anything from Southern or Molyneux and didn’t care what they thought. HDPA was so off the wall against S & M that I turned her off. Thankfully Leighton Smith has a mature, sensible mind.
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:25am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Media don’t want to credit podcasters/vbloggers with any power or relevance. They can see their influence and industry slipping/dying as real talent comes to the fore through a far more egalitarian process.
        
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        August 6, 2018 11:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        kabull,
        
        “Leighton Smith has a mature, sensible mind.”
        
        Like watching and hearing the paint dry!
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      Our media – and all of us – have always paid too much attention to Leftist demonstrators in Auckland.
      
      The protesters were the NZ Stalinists who supported Mao when Stalinism was overtaken. then moved to supporting tiny Albania when China began to liberalise.
      
      Now they are reinforced by the NZ version of Antifa, but as proportion of the population they are still too few to register.
      
      They are part of the “lumpenproletariat” 5 per cent or so of no-hopers in any population who were despised by Marx, and who show up in all countries – in NZ as the confused no-hopers in random surveys.
      
      They have flourished under TV. Easy news item: fuckwits waving placards and shouting, and always ready – even anxious – to be interviewed.
      
      These Leftists’ access to the population will be lucky to survive the decline of broadcast TV.
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , tell us about your news sources other than the NZ Hooreld ! and online or otherwise?
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:15pm
      - Viking2
        
        Yep, interesting when once upon a day Penny would have been there except for this time Penny actually came on KB and made her views very clear i.e. that the Canadians have every right to speak and that she would support them fully and that Goff was wrong.
        Guess it doesn’t get better than that most days.
        
        Hope you are getting well again Penny.
        
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        August 6, 2018 9:16pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Seriously… who would lead such a march or provide a rallying point?
      
      Are there any public or political figures on the Kiwi landscape who have the intelligence, charisma and balls to articulate a meaningful resistance to the chaos which faces our country?
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:41pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Richie McCaw, with Longknives and big bruv as assistant organisers.
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:32pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        If Soimon or anybody who talks to him reads this blog, could you please pull your fucking finger out of your arse and start behaving like a coherent opposition FFS? The ammunition is literally being handed to you on a plate every day. Why don’t you use it?
        
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        August 6, 2018 7:01pm
  - Longknives
    
    People on the Right of Politics tend not to march/protest for a number of reasons-
    
    1) They have jobs and are busy people
    2) They have respect for the Law and have no desire to spit at Cops (by this I also mean not wanting to shut down Cities etc)
    3) They have faith in Democracy (possibly too much if this current insane Government is anything to go by)
    4) They have too much Dignity to lower themselves to the Left’s level (Most Protesters are smelly,feral types who haven’t had a wash in months)
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:39am
    - stephieboy
      
      Longknives , in respect of 4) have you gone up and given them a good sniff?
      
      These too ?,
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/14-07-2018/what-did-the-free-speech-protestors-actually-have-to-say/
      
      LOL
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:19pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Oh Stephie, Stephie, Stephie, why do you do this to yourself? This is such an utterly, utterly idiotic response.
        
        Read carefully.
        
        Longknives’ comment was about people who were not on the free speech marches.
        
        The spinoff’s article (which is actually extraordinarily weak) is about people who were.
        
        Therefore, your response completely fails to address Longknives’ comment and merely sets you up for yet more derision and scorn from kiwibloggers.
        
        Please, please try harder. Kiwiblog does need some reasoned contrary voices for actual debate. But you are failing so miserably in that regard.
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:46pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy ,A goaty smell is it? hows your mate ztev?
        
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        August 6, 2018 12:51pm
      - stigie
        
        How does your goat smell at 20 paces Stiffy..?
        
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        August 6, 2018 1:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X.
        
        The link you post, to Morgan Godfery, is to someone who has little or no grasp of the history of Western culture.
        
        Aristotle had long been translated into Latin, but his fuller body of work, after being lost, was translated in the Middle Ages, partly from Greek and partly from Arabic, into which it had been translated.
        
        Godfery swallow the Islamic propaganda that Islam ended the Middle Ages by keeping alive Greek learning. They, and Godfery, ignore the key role that the Western Byzantium played in keeping ancient Western culture alive. They ignore that it was the fall of Byzantium that sent scholars into Europe and fired the Renaissance.
        
        Godfery is a thicko when he says in the article Stephie links to:
        
        “The West, far from a monoculture, is a multiculture owing as much to Shakespeare’s 15th century England as it does to the Islamic scholars who were the first to translate Aristotle, Galen, and Ptolemy.
        
        Ptolemy, like Aristotle, was a Greek and wrote in Greek. So was Galen.
        
        The Arabs who translated some of the Greek works into Arabic were tapping into the early Western civilisation. Of course there were top Arab thinkers, too, but that’s not what Godfery is talking about.
        
        Godfery’s article is light weight.
        
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        August 6, 2018 2:47pm
- KevOB
  
  A historian’s insight doesn’t validate ideological thinking.They are not part of the might-is-right personality ~~disorder~~ type set.
  
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  August 6, 2018 2:11pm
BananaLlama

I’ve been thinking about the polling results from last night and they were very good for National being just 3% away from winning the next election after a year in opposition. If our economy continues to deteriorate and the far left ramps up their SJW rhetoric (just look at how Little Andrew keeps popping up in the headlines) it is going to squeeze the coalitions support from both sides. NZF voters do not like far left politics and i think it is a great shame their party continues to side with far left Labour governments. I know they picked up another % of the vote but i honestly don’t expect this to hold as time goes on and the Greens continue to enact their agenda.
This seems like the best ground for the National party to fight on. They could easily push NZF under 5% by ruling out any coalition and picking up both NZF and Labours centrist voters.
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August 6, 2018 11:03am
- Harkman
  
  I reckon the smartest thing Bridges could do right now is declare that he won’t go into coalition with Winston. It means that a vote for Winston is ‘only’ a vote for Labour and the Greens. He has no leveraging power going forward then. He won’t get the protest vote.
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:17am
  - Harriet
    
    Look at what Winston is getting through, things that matter to him and his voters.
    
    Then the entire NF Waka will jump lanes. Winston knows when and where he is needed, and next election it’s with National, and no one’s jumping his ship. 😎
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:27am
    - Prince
      
      Sure, after next election Peters will say ‘hey I got it wrong, Forget the abuse I dished out for the last 20 years, I’m with the Nats’.
      ‘Cos he’s so good at apologies and backtracking.
      
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      August 6, 2018 12:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Who is going to be National’s coalition partner?
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:39am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Don’t need one they could win with 48% of the vote, correct me if i am wrong. Not saying this is ideal but it is certainly possible although they will need a coalition partner eventually. If Winston gets knocked out early i don’t see him returning to politics. At that point it would be a good time to look at re-branding the Conservative party and finish off NZF for good. Sad because i like NZF but they keep on enabling the far left in our country.
      
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      August 6, 2018 11:53am
  - MCos
    
    The President of the National Party & Nick Smith have already burned that bridge.
    I don’t know if a party has ever won 50% of the popular vote in NZ. They’ve already given NZF the fingers. The Greens are a very long shot. My guess is they will be angling to revive the Maori Party. Didn’t Simon Bridges makes a bit of a point about his own Maori ethnicity at the conference?
    Waiting for the Government to crash & burn is a mug’s game.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:42am
    - backster
      
      John Key won over 50%.
      
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      August 6, 2018 1:32pm
      - MCos
        
        2008 44.93%
        2011 47.31%
        2014 47.04%
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:00pm
    - KevOB
      
      The global financial genies are intervening and Labour, who believe only in their own superiority, don’t know this and won’t be able to manage.
      
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      August 6, 2018 2:17pm
- Longknives
  
  Yes but what else can happen between now and the next Election? What insane legislation could this Coalition of Lunatics push through to ensure there is not a fair contest in 2020?
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:33am
  - BananaLlama
    
    The more insane they become the more it will hurt NZF. The Far Left will act like muppets and the voters will blame Winston.
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:40am
    - waikatogirl
      
      It will be all JK’s fault! ?
      
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      August 6, 2018 1:09pm
MrTips

Nibiru!

We’re all going to die!
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August 6, 2018 11:27am
- Longknives
  
  Bruce Willis and a couple of Nukes would sort that out…
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:33am
- DJ Ward
  
  One could presume that as size increases the number of objects decreases. All we know of objects in space shows this to be the case. One can then say that there will be far more failed stars with moons floating around independently than actual stars. We just can’t see them as they don’t emit light, X-rays etc at detectable amounts.
  
  We are in a shooting gallery.
  
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  August 6, 2018 11:58am
- rangitoto
  
  A better article here:
  
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180803103336.htm
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

A warning from Australia: The flipping dream is over, All things property, under OneRoof / NZ Herald

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/35239/?ref=nzhhome

Flipping houses is the Australian dream. In this dream, superior intuition about the real estate jungle allows you to trade like a jaguar — swift, smart and opportunistic. You buy low, sell high. Pinpoint renovations in hot suburbs gift you bountiful returns. Profits start to get crazy. It has been the same in New Zealand during the boom years.

For example, a home in Melbourne’s inner west bought in 2016 for $660,000 and given a tasteful renovation was moved on for $1.27 million a year later. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Further reading on Australian issues … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au
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August 6, 2018 11:27am
- DJ Ward
  
  One can presume if a person gets more money, somebody else has less money. It cannot be any other way.
  
  Oh wait. False economy!
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:02pm
waikatosinger

We are having a referendum on euthanasia.
We are having a referendum on cannabis.

We are NOT having a referendum on waka jumping legislation; a serious constitutional matter which alters our electoral system and the way that parliament functions. WHY NOT!!!!!!!!!
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August 6, 2018 12:11pm
- Harkman
  
  Because Winston and Labour are corrupt.
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:59pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    And the Greens are inept
    
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    August 6, 2018 3:38pm
4077th

Friends of Auckland peace action and Valerie Morse? Sounds like Valerie has used a few pages out of the US Antifa playbook. Fox does not directly say it (pity) but all the mugshots are of Alt-Left anarchists. Seems the only thing hey can pin on the “Alt-Right” is a few books shoved off a table outside a pinko bookstore..

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/05/berkeley-police-arrest-17-seize-several-makeshift-weapons-at-start-planned-protests.html
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August 6, 2018 12:36pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Those mug shots – what a freak show.
  
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  August 6, 2018 12:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, it’s no wonder the Antifa freaks wear masks.
    
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    August 6, 2018 1:52pm
    - Inandout
      
      Antifa burkas.
      
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      August 6, 2018 5:14pm
    - Jack5
      
      Berks in burkas.
      
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      August 6, 2018 7:11pm
DJ Ward

From the Families Proceedings Act 1980

(53 False statement in application for paternity order
Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who, in any application for a paternity order under this Act, makes any statement that, if made on oath in the proceedings, would amount to perjury as defined in section 108 of the Crimes Act 1961.)

This is an exemption for perjury specifically to protect Women. NZ presently has the worlds highest official paternity test failure rate in the world at 40%.

These women commit perjury for a variety of reasons. The vast majority revolve around personnel financial gain from the victim of thier dishonesty.

They are never held to account for thier offending despite many victims experiencing profound harm. This law is automatically ignored by the courts. They act to obstruct its use and in all events seeking accountability justice is perverted.

IRD destroys all accounts of duped men upon payment. Destroying evidence.

Would the Ministry of Women allow this exemption if men were the offenders?

What would a Minister for Men have to say?
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August 6, 2018 12:36pm
starboard

“As New Zealander’s we need to stand up and show Local Govt and the standing Govt. politicians that we have had enough of being spoken for on their behalf. Maori are rough riding into power at all levels and we are fast becoming another Zimbabwe if you stand up and be counted for. Freedom of speech was fought for by our Grandparents (First World War) and our Parents in the (Second World War) and skirmishes there on since.”

Hat tip, One Law 4 All
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August 6, 2018 1:01pm
starboard

“It seems that – no matter what, all councils are intent on subverting democracy – by hook or by crook. Linked below are some articles about The Hamilton City Council’s sabotage of Ratepayers’ democratic rights. Blinded by their own arrogance and knowing that a Ratepayer referendum would likely favour democracy over racism, the Council simply thumbed its nose at Ratepayers and made a number of racist appointments to its various committees.

And while they made those undemocratic appointments, they also handed Ratepayers a bill for the privilege of being ignored. Each racist appointee will get $100 an hour, plus an assortment of IT toys (takeaway tablets?) coasting Ratepayers $12k.”

Hat tip, One Law 4 All.
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August 6, 2018 1:06pm
Anne Glen Eden

I’ve long felt sorry for Deborah Hill Cone and her ongoing study of psychology. She’s finally reached the point I knew she would reach, had to reach:

(https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12101518- : Stop dumping kids in ‘factory farms’)

– the realisation that we know an awful lot about what’s good and bad for human beings, especially children. We know things that are outright harmful to them, and things that are indisputably best for them. And what course of action do we pursue? We very deliberately organise the most harmful social order we can devise for every human being, children in particular.

DHC is unusual. She’s telling it like it is – out loud. There are huge numbers of others who have learned the same things. They just put it aside for all manner of reasons, with all manner of rationalisations, most of them based on a desperate need for individuals to feel good about themselves irrespective of their faults and project the fault onto others in that pursuit, abetted by do-gooding ‘professionals’ weeping for them.

“I learned that Daniel Stern, an expert on mother-child bonding, found a mother’s instinctual focus on and devotion to her infant were critical to the child’s development. I learned that the legendary paediatrician Donald Winnicott encouragingly said children don’t need a perfect mother, but a “good enough” mother. But he found for the infant to begin to develop a capacity to experience a relationship to external reality, or even form a conception of external reality, to start with the mother must have total empathic atunement to her baby’s needs. Later the infant learns to tolerate frustration. Even then that needs to be a gradual process. Winnicott said: “Not having to react is the only state in which the self can begin to be.”

I share DHC’s disclaimer, “I fully acknowledge I might be projecting my own neuroses on to others. As a sensitive and cautious child, I hated being left with strangers.”

However, the established truth for many more than she and I is, “So we learn all this theory about human development, yet out in the real world, well… It’s like we don’t even know this stuff. I suspect we don’t want to examine too closely what effect this has on the developing self. If we knew about it we might have to stop being in denial and face the truth. It is easier not to know. And even when we gain knowledge, so often it is used not to lead social change but to shame women.”

“Little children, babies even, are farmed out to for-profit childcare centres, sometimes for 10 hours a day, because their parents have to go back to work, to become productive economic units. Is this process “good enough”? I don’t think so.”

I agree with her. And it doesn’t only apply to children and child care. Not only is the deliberate ignorance and refusal of appropriate human care and conditions universal in every area of society, it’s producing damaged people who then define themselves as ‘the norm’ and seek to spread the said damage as far and wide as possible.
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August 6, 2018 1:16pm
- DJ Ward
  
  So another mothers are fantastic……
  
  Expert on mother child bonding……
  
  Fathers don’t exist study!
  
  Fatherlessness is one of the most damaging of all the things society does to children. Far worse than Childcare.
  
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  August 6, 2018 3:43pm
- KevOB
  
  I couldn’t agree more. The Herald article being offensive to the unreasonable has been removed.
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:27pm
  - KevOB
    
    @Anne Glen Eden
    The URL referred to without the added chars.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12101518
    
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    August 6, 2018 5:30pm
KevinH

My view Anne is that we should strive to educate our children to be confident and eventually independent, characteristics that will enable them to function in the competitive world they will live in.
To achieve that requires the age old formula of love and nuturing , to provide them with the basic necessities of life such as food, a safe home and a caring loving enviroment to grow in. All of that can be achieved with working parents we just have to make the effort.
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August 6, 2018 1:36pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Oh I really understand ‘your view’ KevinH.
  
  Unfortunately, ‘your view’ is irrelevant in the face of known, researched, proven fact. But that is the problem.
  
  The facts are really inconvenient in a world where every single individual has a ‘my view’, has a right to impose it on others (especially small children), and dedicatedly asserts both their ‘view’ and some supposed right for that ‘view’ to be held as truth – generally by twisting and distorting statistics and a perverse notion of ‘human rights’ in which the damaged can argue for their ongoing maintenance and procreation.
  
  Having said all that, the precise point that DHC is making is the benefits of organising society on the most positive and successful basis to achieve what you’re describing.
  
  I might add that a ‘caring, loving environment’ can only be defined by the recipient. The world has an abundance of people complaining that they have been ‘caring and loving’ to others who really didn’t see it the same way. One thing, however, is for certain – if you’re completely absent, you’re neither.
  
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  August 6, 2018 1:54pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”they have been ‘caring and loving’ to others who really didn’t see it the same way”…..
    
    Yep! As the Book of Fairy Tales says…..”The one who will not use the rod hates his son, but the one who loves him disciplines him diligently.”…..
    
    Used by countless generations of head cases as an excuse to torture their children. Giving toddlers a crack round the head that sends them halfway up a supermarket aisle, belting kids with jug cords & demonstrating parental love with a length of 4 x 2.
    
    Amazingly not all children appreciate their parents’ attentions. Less amazingly they bring up their own the same way.
    
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    August 6, 2018 2:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Anne’s not interested in others’ views, Kevin. She know best, because she found some credentialed experts whose research happens to coincide with her feelz. So, there is no possibility of ongoing debates about the best way to care for and educate babies and children. There can only be one best way, and tt just so happens that what Anne believes about parenthood and education was right all along.
  
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  August 6, 2018 2:09pm
- artemisia
  
  I brought mine up to be gainfully unemployed. Figured that would stand them in good stead regardless.
  
  So far fully and gainfully employed.
  
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  August 6, 2018 2:38pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    My youngest daughter started working alongside her older sister part time at a local Japanese restaurant from the age of 15 and a half.
    She learned that a Mission Bay cafe lunch costs two full hours of labor (at least). I remember telling her that her taxes were going in part to pay for government employees and others on welfare. I think she got the message.
    She learned to turn up on time, to smile, make the public feel welcome and to cope with their needs (“I want gluten-free soba noodles!”)
    
    My older daughter said that she learned a lot of useful lessons from dealing with the public that she now applies at her office in the Wynyard Quarter in Auckland.
    
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    August 6, 2018 5:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Did you tell her that if she worked longer hours there would be more tax to pay those government employees properly?
      
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      August 6, 2018 5:18pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Goodness me, mikenmildagain.
        
        I told her that if we had a smaller government and fewer people with their hands out, the workers would be able to keep more of the wealth they had generated by the sweat of their brows.
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:37pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I remember telling her that her taxes were going in part to pay for government employees and others on welfare.
        
        Damn straight, a parent should always encourage in their children a feeling of contempt for those less fortunate than themselves, or where will the next generation of National voters come from?
        
        However, did you also tell her that that’s a fairly trivial part and the bulk of it goes on ensuring that there’s a society there to pay her to have a nice office in the Wynyard Quarter? Because misleading your children is pretty crappy behaviour.
        
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        August 6, 2018 6:58pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        So on that Milt perhaps you could tell us all what positives intergenerational welfarism has delivered for New Zealand. Especially Maori.
        
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        August 6, 2018 7:58pm
dime

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12101294

yuck! he should do a stretch for having poor taste
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August 6, 2018 2:14pm
Keeping Stock

Oh dear; the Wally Haumaha story just got even more murky:

New Zealand First deputy Fletcher Tabuteau and Deputy Police Commissioner Wally Haumaha are whanau, come from the same Rotorua marae.

New family links between New Zealand First and controversial deputy police commissioner appointment Wally Haumaha have emerged, as one of the party’s senior ministers looks to restart the inquiry into the process which led to his promotion.

Fletcher Tabuteau, the deputy leader of New Zealand First, comes from Waiteti Marae in Ngongotaha near Rotorua, of which Haumaha is the chairman.

They are both Ngāti Ngāraranui and Tabuteau referred to Haumaha as a member of his whānau in his maiden speech to Parliament in 2014.

Tabuteau’s uncle Tommy Gear – a close friend of Winston Peters – is a trustee of the Ngāti Ngāraranui Hapu Trust along with Haumaha.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12101966

Didn’t Tommy Gear used to be Peters’ “enforcer” in Tauranga? This whole situation is getting ludicrous, and seems almost incestuous.

I’m also reminded of the old saying that a fish rots from the head down, and there’s certainly a dodgy odour coming out of NZF at the moment.
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August 6, 2018 2:39pm
- alex Masterley
  
  You really have to wonder if NZF have any understanding of the meaning of the word “Integrity”.
  
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  August 6, 2018 2:46pm
Hugh Pavletich

Sydney property panic as prices and rents plunge – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/sydney-property-panic-as-prices-and-rents-plunge/

By Leith van Onselen

MB’s warning that Sydney property investors are entering a doom loop of falling rents and prices has received support from various quarters.

Late last week, The AFR reported that real estate agency, LJ Hooker, is trying to coax vendors in Sydney’s west to sell now before prices plunge further: … read more via hyperlink above …

Further MB reports today … …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
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APRA’s airbrushing of mortgage risks exposed – Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/apras-airbrushing-mortgage-risks-exposed/

By Leith van Onselen

Last week, economist John Adams penned an excellent article exposing the way that the Australian Prudential Regulatory Authority (APRA) has airbrushed Australian history to paint over the huge housing risks facing the economy: … read more via hyperlink above …

… PAVLETICH COMMENT ON THREAD …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/apras-airbrushing-mortgage-risks-exposed/#comment-3157717

… CONSIDERING THE 2007 IRISH EXPERIENCE …

The unweighted average median multiples of its metros in 2007 was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.

Currently the average Median Multiples for the Australian and New Zealand metros overall are about 5.9 and 5.8 respectively … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

Research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high lending multipoles was the greatest problem (more so than loan to value ratios) … and subsequently imposed a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household income. A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times annual household income …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
… access extensive background research via link …

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

A helpful television discussion about the 2007 Irish experience …

Prof. Bill Black & Vincent Brown – Ireland’s Bank Guarantee … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
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August 6, 2018 2:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  … PAVLETICH COMMENT ON THREAD …
  
  *Fart* *Burp* *Faaarrrt*
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:12pm
  - nasska
    
    Your problem is that as a lawyer you’ve been sheltered from the smellier things of life Nostra. Had you had my misfortune to walk behind livestock for most of your working days Hugh’s contributions would be easier to take. 🙂
    
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    August 6, 2018 4:19pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      as a lawyer you’ve been sheltered from the smellier things of life Nostra
      
      DPF didn’t tell me I needed to invest in heavy-duty gumboots before running through a GD thread!
      
      And, besides, with all those cans of baked beans you ate in anticipation of the Great Economic Collapse, didn’t you experience an elevated level of flatulence? 🙂
      
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      August 6, 2018 4:22pm
      - stigie
        
        Jeez, just open one of his cans of sardines, that would be more than enough Nostra..?
        
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        August 6, 2018 4:26pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”elevated level of flatulence”…..
        
        Elevated doesn’t quite describe it properly. The crook advice I received on this forum concerning the last GFC meant that I produced enough gas from baked beans to rival Kapuni! 🙂
        
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        August 6, 2018 4:33pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I produced enough gas from baked beans to rival Kapuni!
        
        I hesitate to bring Megan Woods into the discussion, but have you considered telling her that you’ve found a solution to our national electricity crisis? 🙂
        
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        August 6, 2018 4:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        House prices fall by fastest rate in six years … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-house-prices-fall-by-fastest-rate-in-six-years-20180801-p4zuuc.html
        
        Google News Search ‘Sydney Housing’
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=sydney+housing&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJt6T17tfcAhWJV7wKHVxyAfcQ_AUICygC&biw=474&bih=436
        
        Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 6, 2018 7:22pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/sydney-property-panic-as-prices-and-rents-plunge/#comment-3160648 … and …
        
        … Welcome to the real world …
        
        Vintage house ads show how dramatically costs have jumped in Sydney since 1965 | Daily Mail Online
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6030127/Vintage-house-ads-dramatically-costs-spiralled-Sydney-1965.html
        
        • Real estate guide from Sydney 1965 shows the huge difference 50 years makes
        
        • It shows houses available in Maroubra, Ashfield, Caringbah and Beverly Hills
        
        • The Beverly Hills house was for sale for £6,750 and described as ‘immaculate’
        
        • When inflation of 5.1 per cent a year is noted, this equals price of $179,744 now
        
        • A similar house is listed on the market today with an asking price of $1.32 million
        
        Life in Australia: Sydney (1966) – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR1CU8NjGW0
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        House prices fall by fastest rate in six years … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-house-prices-fall-by-fastest-rate-in-six-years-20180801-p4zuuc.html
        
        Google News Search ‘Sydney Housing’
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=sydney+housing&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJt6T17tfcAhWJV7wKHVxyAfcQ_AUICygC&biw=474&bih=436
        
        Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:06pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The sad death of Australian home ownership – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/sad-death-australian-home-ownership/
        
        By Leith van Onselen
        
        The Australian dream of home ownership has drifted further out of reach of younger Australians, with the 2018 Household Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia (HILDA) survey, released this week, showing that the proportion of Australians living in rented accommodation has increased from 28.0% in 2001 to 31.3% 2016: … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 7, 2018 4:14am
  - stigie
    
    *Hic*
    
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    August 6, 2018 4:20pm
cmm

As a tourist you burn half a swimming pool of fuel to get to NZ and back to your home and thus melt a whole lot of icebergs and make hundreds of polar bears homeless.

But while you’re here you can feel smug as all fuck because you’re using an electric camper van…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106035295/dont-toot–the-campervan-you-are-stuck-behind-may-be-clean-and-green

So many of the “green choices” we have are really emotional bullshit.

Plastic bags use a bit of the old fossil fuel for the plastic and some more for the manufacturing process and cost virtually nothing to transport. Paper bags use a whole lot more energy in their manufacturing, when they rot they release green house gases and are relatively heavy – hence expensive and fossil-fuelly to transport. But apparently you should feel smug about using paper bags…
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August 6, 2018 3:17pm
- DJ Ward
  
  So the result is, smart small town cafe, or other tourist reliant Buisiness should put in a charging station, priced with a modest profit to encourage tourists to stop at thier establishment, increasing trade, increasing profitability in 2 ways.
  
  Anti EV people will miss out as their ignorance fails to meet the changing needs of thier customers.
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:31pm
  - cmm
    
    I think you mean “changing virtue signaling of their customers”.
    
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    August 6, 2018 6:28pm
  - Komata
    
    It’s already happening in the provinces, with the Warehouse leading the charge (sorry, unintentional pun), and installing charging stations at several of its branches. It was interesting to watch the owner of a Tesla at one of these. He was there for at least two hours, at night,and looked just slightly bored. Can’t think why…
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:24pm
Jack5

For all of us who don’t buy a Stuff newspaper, part-Maori bore Joel Maxwell, in the chain’s newspapers today, praises the Hamilton City Council for appointing Maori to council committees – with voting rights, and pay.

With referendums/referenda of citizens rejecting race-based Maori “wards” on councils, the Hamilton City Council has outmanoeuvred opponents by deciding to appoint Maori, unvoted for by ratepayers, to council committees, with voting rights.

Maxwell writes in the Stuff newspapers:

“The good thing about these Hamilton appointments is that Johnny and Jane Redneck can’t get rid of them through a referendum. You’re stuck with them, Johnny, and the evil racism they apparently represent.”

Our newspapers haven’t fought for free speech in Auckland, and now they are apparently pushing for race-based local government.

Details from the council’s mouth (notice the council’s contribution to NZ Pidgin English – “Maaori”). Any day now these Waikato Lefties will be out to change their city’s name:

https://www.hamilton.govt.nz/AgendasAndMinutes/20180802%20-%20Council%20Open%20Agenda%20Item%2020%20-%20Maaori%20Representation%20Review%20Proposal%20-%2002%20August%202018.pdf
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August 6, 2018 4:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Jack5:
  
  Any day now these Waikato Lefties will be out to change their city’s name
  
  Te whakawhopwhop te aroha te kikiriroa doesn’t quite have the same ring to it as Hamilton, I reckon!
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:29pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Te Clamidia?
    Te Solo Mum Housing?
    
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    August 6, 2018 4:36pm
  - nasska
    
    What’s the Maori translation for Chlamydia Central? 🙂
    
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    August 6, 2018 4:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But, but, if the city were renamed, how could the citizens continue to cherish the memory of a pommy sailor who died only 100 kilometres away on the other side of the island?
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:48pm
  - nasska
    
    Who cares? It’s all about the “feelz”. In any case I’ve done a bit of research.
    
    “Chlamydia Central” would become “Kirikiriroa…..Kapital of Klap”. 🙂
    
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    August 6, 2018 4:58pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Didn’t the Chlamydia capital pass to Rotorua, or somewhere similar, Nasska? We have a wealth of expertise among Kiwiblog readers to draw on, but I’m still undecided as to who the resident expert on this delicate subject would be!
      
      I’d previously have said Cricko/Bereal, as he monitored Craigs List ads for any signs of deviant behaviour very closely, but sadly he’s no longer with us!
      
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      August 6, 2018 5:03pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”We have a wealth of expertise among Kiwiblog readers to draw on”…..
        
        Yes, but most of our religious conservatives prefer getting their jollies down at Madam Lash’s House of Pain from a strict lady in a boarding school matron’s costume. As such they spontaneously ejaculate & seldom catch VD.
        
        We may have to enquire over at The Standard. 🙂
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:09pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        We may have to enquire over at The Standard
        
        I like your suggestion, but the delicate petals at The Standard (led by Mr Lprent) may be too busy plugging all the cracks that have appeared in the Beehive in the past few months. Morrissey seems to have commented here more than usual lately, which suggests things aren’t in good shape at Lprent’s place!
        
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        August 6, 2018 5:14pm
      - itstricky
        
        plugging all the cracks
        
        … … … … …
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Is Nostradamus the latest Kiwiblogger to reveal an obsession with anal sex?
        Given the general tenor of his contributions, I suspect his effort was somewhat, err, tongue in cheek.
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:11pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  notice the council’s contribution to NZ Pidgin English – “Maaori”
  
  Yeah, notice the council treating te reo Māori like it was an official language of New Zealand or something. What’s the point of colonising other people’s countries if you don’t suppress them properly?
  
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  August 6, 2018 6:43pm
  - Jack5
    
    Nope, Psycho, in the Maori language it’s Te Reo for the language and Māori for the ethnicity.
    
    In English it’s “Maori” for both.
    
    “Maaori” is Pidgin English, a patois.
    
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    August 6, 2018 7:07pm
    - itstricky
      
      However, its use was not formalised until the establishment of the Māori Language Commission in 1987 and the decision, led by the first Commissioner, Professor (now Sir) Tīmoti Kāretu that tohutō should be used. This ended (largely) the competing use of double vowels which was favoured by some and are still used widely in Waikato
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:06pm
DigNap15

These people should be ashamed to be white!
Do they have that much guilt?
Whats in it for them?
A name?
Fame?
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August 6, 2018 4:24pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Handy tip: if you go accusing people of being race traitors, readers tend to assume you must have a swastika or a KKK symbol tattooed on you somewhere. Unless you do actually have one of those, race traitor accusations should be avoided.
  
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  August 6, 2018 6:48pm
VicParking

“Jacinda Ardern returns from maternity leave” NO should have said ‘Jacinda Adern moves maternity Public Relations exercise to Wellington’
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August 6, 2018 4:26pm
EAD_TWO

Candace Owens was banned from Twitter after replacing the word “white” with “jewish” in one of Sarah Jeongs racist tweets.

Sarah Jeongs account remains unbanned. Really makes you think ?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/5/candace-owens-mimics-sarah-jeong-gets-suspended-tw/

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize” – Voltaire
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August 6, 2018 4:27pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  FWIW – this is a fascinating graphic showing the racial makeup of the New York Times:
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/1026181077583507461/photo/3
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:29pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Huffington post editors meeting:
    https://twitter.com/lheron/status/733758898855940098
    Diversity apparently means no men, and no-one over 30years old.
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:07pm
    - paul scott
      
      and no whites
      
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      August 7, 2018 3:10am
- DJ Ward
  
  What would happen if Trump did it. Waited a few hours for the outrage. Posted the original.
  
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  August 6, 2018 4:40pm
- Komata
  
  EAD: She also inserted ‘Black’ in the same statement, and it was apparently THAT which got her removed rather tgan the Jewish comment. The fact that she was actually Afro-American herself seemed to be unimportant..
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:28pm
JibberJabber

Gower confesses, he`s thick as two short planks and he`s in over his head,
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=arTSG_1533510565
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August 6, 2018 4:51pm
Odakyu-sen

Hate Speech = Halt Speech
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August 6, 2018 5:27pm
- Jack5
  
  A brief look at hate speech and the law in the United States:
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c90362726260
  
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  August 6, 2018 5:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

I just heard TV3 News tell us that Malcolm Rewa is the first person in NZ to be tried three times for the same murder.
Obviously they forgot about John Barlow.
The quality of our fake news is appalling, but we all knew that.
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August 6, 2018 6:07pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Seems like at least one of our politicians is a fan of fake news:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106052951/judith-collins-defends-linking-to-fake-news-articles-on-france-consent-laws
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:00pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Was she on record as representing the views of all New Zealanders?
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:07pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I have no idea. I was just pointing to the widespread problem of fake news. Even Judith Collins can be caught out by it, so it’s a serious issue.
      
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      August 6, 2018 8:14pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        I can tell it keeps you up at night Mikey haha.
        On that though I did laugh at the media furore over Virat Kholis “send off” of Joe Root. What a non event receiving the click bait treatment.
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I didn’t see that. All the comment on Kiwiblog has put me off watching the news.
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:31pm
      - nasska
        
        Hallelujah, thank you Jesus! … Step right up here, Brother Mike & pray. Yes fellow commenters.
        
        We have a convert! 🙂
        
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        August 6, 2018 8:40pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Fake news 😉
    
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    August 6, 2018 11:02pm
paul scott

From the Religion of Peace >>
a>To understand what is coming to us from Islam a good post by Edward Cline Where he has accurately labelled our suicidal addiction to Islamists as the Untouchables https://edwardcline.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-untouchables.html

We’ve seen one country after another submit to Islam and defer to it and to Muslim sensibilities and demands: Germany leading the pack, France, Belgium, the U.K., the Netherlands, Spain, Canada…and now Australia? It’s akin to the domino effect; Islam is for some reason irresistible to the conquest of the West by Islam, per the 1991 memorandum of The Brotherhood:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
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August 6, 2018 7:03pm
VicParking

“Plans to build 460,000 homes on land released from the green belt will not help young families get on to the property ladder, say campaigners.
The Campaign to Protect Rural England said 78% of planned developments on greenfield sites do not fall under the government’s “affordable” definition.”
Looks like England are heading for the same problem that KiwiBuild.
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August 6, 2018 7:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106042894/mother-of-six-stole-zoo-donation-box-to-pay-for-car-tyre

25 year old mother of six! Faaarrrrkkkkk…… words fail me.
Is this sort of shit a defining feature of Masterton?
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August 6, 2018 8:16pm
- Monique Watson
  
  How the fuck does she have six kids at the age of twenty five?
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:20pm
  - Longknives
    
    Best I saw when I worked at WINZ was 9 kids to multiple Dads and Mum hadn’t hit 30 yet…
    *Mongrel Mob affiliated
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:31pm
    - GoVege
      
      I met a 19 year old heavily pregnant with twins a couple of years ago.
      She already had 3 kids.
      A neighbour of mine had her 6th child at 25.
      She told me her family had been very concerned because she was getting perilously close to 20 before she had her first.
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:44pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”How the fuck does she have six kids at the age of twenty five?”….
    
    Easy. She’ll just lie back & think of the benefits Monique. Old Wairarapa joke:
    
    “I’ve heard that five out of ten Eastside 14 year old girls are out on the piss twice a week.
    
    What I want to know is who’s looking after their kids!”
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:31pm
    - GoVege
      
      Read an interesting article last week about some indigenous people trying to work out which tribes they belonged to for the purposes of receiving treaty payouts.
      Some cheeky Pakeha asked them if they would spend some of the money on their whanau in care and in prison.
      I think it was the old matriarch who replied: “they put them in…they can pay”.
      She was a mother of 12.
      I wonder if it’s ever crossed her mind that maybe having such a huge number of kids might be the reason they end up in care or in jail.
      Easier to blame the evil YT I guess….
      
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      August 6, 2018 9:51pm
  - MT_Tinman
    
    How the fuck does she have six kids at the age of twenty five?
    
    Surely the question in NZ is: “How much does she get paid to have six kids at the age of 25”?
    
    That’s only one every two years.
    
    Frigid bitch!
    
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    August 6, 2018 8:36pm
- nasska
  
  Only on the east side of town Captain.
  
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  August 6, 2018 8:22pm
DJ Ward

A group of bikers out on a ride stopped suddenly when they saw an extremely attractive young lady standing on the railing of a bridge.
“What are you doing?”
She turned to face them and was wearing a vote Labour in large print shirt, with I bath in male tears in small print below. “I’m going to commit suicide” she replies.
Considering what she was wearing the bike gangs leader was not surprised. She however was so beautiful with a body so amazing that he just wanted to help. He decided to try to get her to come down off the rail.
“Before you jump would you like to have one last kiss”
The young lady paused for a moment then jumped of the railing and kissed the biker. It was a long passionate kiss. So intense that the biker couldn’t help himself and even grabbed a handful of her shapely but firm arse.
“So why do you want to commit suicide” the biker asked.
“My parents hate it when I wear girls clothes”
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August 6, 2018 8:26pm
softail 1450

Damn ,if ZTEV had still been making contributions KB would have had a “500” post day ,only missed by an easily attainable 72 from trev.
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August 7, 2018 2:32am
DigNap15

The question should be “Why does WINZ allow people to have some many babies with no husband.
And why do we keep paying them?

It really is time to can the dpb.
It just encourages people to make wrong decisions.
And breeds more ferals and brings our society down.
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