General Debate 29 August 2018

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duggledog

I think opposing this Manning character from coming to New Zealand may actually be smart politics.

Take a dispassionate look at the guy (because Chelsea is male, remember, it’s to do with chromosomes).

The vast majority of kiwis would instinctively flinch at the sight of him. That is indisputable.

Those are the people National wants to continue to identify with as they make up by far the largest pool of voters; normal people. I don’t think this is about free speech at all, it’s about identification.
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August 29, 2018 8:01am
- brett68
  
  Seriously?
  
  That’s a terrible comment and I don’t think it’s at all reflective of people who vote National.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:04am
  - realityczech
    
    “That’s a terrible comment and I don’t think it’s at all reflective of people who vote National.”
    
    Yep. That sort of image, deserved or not, is why Labour will get 2 terms.
    
    National are our most liberal viable party. They need to play to their strengths: Sensible governance, prudent financially, not nanny state, self reliance mixed with compassion.
    
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    August 29, 2018 10:00am
- Chris R
  
  Dog: I agree with your comments. I would add to them: What could this person have to say which could come close to being of interest to the majority of New Zealanders?
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:06am
  - dave_c_
    
    Showing your colours there Chris R ? Somewhat of an arrogant “I know best whats good and bad for you” statement !
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:15am
    - Chris R
      
      dave:It was a question not a statement. NB The sentence ended with one of these: ????? I am genuinely interested in knowing.
      
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      August 29, 2018 8:55am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Free speech isn’t about deciding “what is of interest to the majority of NZers” nor about whether you approve of transgenderism. Lauren Southern , Jordan Peterson, isn’t of interest to the majority of NZers, they should still should get to say their piece. If people want to go that is their individual choice. The only possible argument is that she is a felon and therefore not entitled via immigration laws. But if she is not a risk to security then let her speak.
        
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        August 29, 2018 9:24am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Surely, Manning can’t be a risk to security as we have few state secrets not already disclosed – except the Labour camp fiddler, and the lunatic leaker.
        We have Hager watching the coop, so all those other chickens are well and truly flown.
        
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        August 29, 2018 11:41am
  - Colville
    
    Chis R.
    With that level of “I know what is best for you” you really belong in the Greens
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:22am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Unless we are all traitors to our country
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:45am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She probably has a lot of interesting stories about her time in the army and in Middle east, by her accounts it was a pretty horrible time, shades of full metal jacket. Also what motivated her crimes. The fallout, early days of Wikileaks, how she went about doing what she did. Lots of stuff that would be interesting regardless of how you judge her actions (I personally think she’s an unredeemed criminal).
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:02am
    - noskire
      
      Speaking of Full Metal Jacket, there’s a very good short documentary on YouTube – The Making of “Full Metal Jacket”
      
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      August 29, 2018 11:32am
    - kowtow
      
      Quick read of wiki tells me that he has nothing of interest to say , should never have been allowed to stay in the military and all this gender shit is fucking up important institutions.
      
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      August 29, 2018 12:15pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Manning was a REMF. Not full metal jacket. More like forms papers and files.
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:25pm
  - marcw
    
    There’s lots of people here Chris R that do want to hear him. The same people as all those who demonise anything to do with the great Satan America:
    Monsanto
    KFC
    Exxon
    and of course, Trump Trump Trump.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:19am
    - Flash
      
      ‘lots of people here who want to hear him speak’, and they hire a 200 capacity venue?
      Should they have hired Eden park, perhaps?
      
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      August 29, 2018 10:15am
  - realityczech
    
    What could Chris R have to say which could come close to being of interest to the majority of New Zealanders?
    
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    August 29, 2018 10:01am
- The Heat
  
  Of all the dumb moves National makes, this is by far the worst.
  
  The weakness of the COL is that they are controlling. Think shower heads. Kiwis bristle at attempts to deny freedom. That feeling reaches deep down and crosses political divides.
  
  We had them on the ropes over free speech. Free. Freedom. Not controlling. That story could run and run for years. Now National have just gone and said “Hey, we’re controllers like the COL, only blue!”
  
  FFS.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:12am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes National’s call on this is utterly pathetic. But Soimun is probably too busy fretting about his leaked expenses inquiry to notice. Meanwhile the rest of the country just roll their eyeballs. Looks like National are determined to squander their 45% support base.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:55am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Agree. This deserves more than one uptick. This is the comment of the day (already). So dumb. National had the liberal and free speech moral high road.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:25am
  - realityczech
    
    Slime-in is going to cost National the next election.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:03am
    - Prince
      
      I see what you did with his name there.
      Hilarious.
      
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      August 29, 2018 12:14pm
    - freethinker
      
      I hope you are wrong but fear you may be right.
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:12pm
- Huevon
  
  I get the sentiments, but free speech is a hot issue so I would side with letting the freak come and speak. Besides, the normal people will see that this is the kind of weirdo that the Left adores, while an attractive young Canadian woman who speaks common sense about immigration and Muslims is apparently the moral equivalent of a Nazi.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:29am
  - Scott
    
    Heuvon – totally agree ?.
    This is the time that the right could show that we believe in freedom and are in favour of free speech!
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:38am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Call and make a vieled threat of violence and see how the police react.
    
    Speaking of police; anything to say today Mike?
    
    I mean, you have told us that Gayford is not a drug dealer, is there anything else you want to share?
    
    A bit of balance perhaps now that the police have clearly been shown to kowtow to the demands, sorry, my bad, requests from the red team.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:39am
    - freethinker
      
      The Police are lefties – Greg O’Connor – the union will be kept on side by the COLL so their cemetery of skeletons remains buried
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:14pm
  - Philview
    
    I agree, also National need to rethink their media strategy now that everything they say to a Left leaning media is going to be twisted against them. The same media that condemned Lauren Southern are now condemning Woodhouse over his Manning comments.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:13am
Inandout

The special working groups are now heading for the 200 mark; absolute evidence this cobbled government is scrambling because of inexperience. Then we have an academic on Garner who is going to fix child bashings, mainly by our tangata whenua; hence the Maori name of his ‘initiative’.
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August 29, 2018 8:05am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  NZ is re introducing the death penalty? I like!
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:39am
Left Right and Centre

Is Karen Stevens really a dude ?
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August 29, 2018 8:06am
- Inandout
  
  She has a family.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Most people do, a mother at the very least; father as well somewhere.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:43am
- VicParking
  
  Who ever she is she is an idiot. Five minutes on the web would have shown she was being ripped off.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:30am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Such a limited choice of option you give us. She could actually be:
  •Agender
  •Androgyne
  •Androgynous
  •Bigender
  •Cis
  •Cisgender
  •Cis Female
  •Cis Male
  •Cis Man
  •Cis Woman
  •Cisgender Female
  •Cisgender Male
  •Cisgender Man
  •Cisgender Woman
  •Female to Male
  •FTM
  •Gender Fluid
  •Gender Nonconforming
  •Gender Questioning
  •Gender Variant
  •Genderqueer
  •Intersex
  •Male to Female
  •MTF
  •Neither
  •Neutrois
  •Non-binary
  •Other
  •Pangender
  •Trans
  •Trans*
  •Trans Female
  •Trans* Female
  •Trans Male
  •Trans* Male
  •Trans Man
  •Trans* Man
  •Trans Person
  •Trans* Person
  •Trans Woman
  •Trans* Woman
  •Transfeminine
  •Transgender
  •Transgender Female
  •Transgender Male
  •Transgender Man
  •Transgender Person
  •Transgender Woman
  •Transmasculine
  •Transsexual
  •Transsexual Female
  •Transsexual Male
  •Transsexual Man
  •Transsexual Person
  •Transsexual Woman
  •Two-Spirit
  
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/13/facebook_custom_gender_options_here_are_all_56_custom_options.html
  
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  August 29, 2018 2:46pm
artemisia

Who to believe?

Prime Minister – falling business confidence is ‘a flashing great neon sign with giant lights and fireworks going off behind it’.

Minister of Finance – Business confidence is only one element of the government relationship with business.

Morrinsville small enterprises – Night and Day business down 40%; Kaimai Cycles – a business downturn, working groups are smoke and hot air; Morrinsville Chamber of Commerce – the phone is off the hook.

Business confidence surveys are:

Deputy Prime Minister – Bulldust

Minister of Finance – Biased

Economic Development Minister – Junk

Prime Minister – the elephant in the room.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018660131/morrinsville-small-businesses-feel-sidelined-by-govt

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018660132/finance-minister-hopeful-of-business-confidence-turnaround
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August 29, 2018 8:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Prime Minister – falling business confidence is ‘a flashing great neon sign with giant lights and fireworks going off behind it’.
  
  How could the COL dismiss the signs of low business confidence for so long with a “great neon sign with giant lights and fireworks going off behind it’.” Because THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE IT as it is not part of their narrative. Ostriches with their heads in the sand come to mind.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:19am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘a flashing great neon sign with giant lights and fireworks going off behind it’.
    
    Great expression for the third form debating team, business leaders breakfast, not so much perhaps.
    
    Indicates the level of mind maturity in speaking, because she was not communicating, to the intellectual maturity of her audience.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:45am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      If the giant lights go off it will be the blind leading the blind and we will all be in the dark. Whereupon everyone will step in the bulldust, hit their knees on the junk and trip over the elephant who should not be standing the the middle of the room. That’s just bad manners.
      
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      August 29, 2018 2:51pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right PG but it might be an example of what the Kevlar female in the spin dept put in front of the SLG. What is they say about like minds?
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:18pm
  - Scott
    
    It’s no wonder there is low business confidence.
    We have a government that wants to regulate everything including whether or not you can have a plastic bag at the supermarket. We have a government that has without any consultation shut down the oil and gas industry for the future.
    We have a government that spends like a drunken sailor on shore leave.
    We know this government wants to raise taxes to pay for all their spending and the fuel taxes in Auckland are only the first installment of many new taxes.
    
    So higher taxes, more government spending, more regulation, shutting down the energy sector. That’s the Obama model that gave the USA the worst and slowest economic recovery ever.
    Now the new administration is cutting taxes, freeing up the energy sector and cutting burdensome regulations. And the US economy is booming and record low unemployment.
    
    We are following the good leftist Obama and we will reap what we are sowing. I cannot see anything but recession under the leftist progressives that sadly are governing us.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:47am
- Paulus
  
  I heard at bowls yesterday that there could be increasing support for Peters to take over as Prime Minister.
  Opinion recons that he made a good job of his time as Prime Minister when our Princess was away.
  Having listened to Peters’s Prime Minister’s gobby pontificating, saying sweet f.a. yesterday to big business left me again with a most uncomfortable feeling that it can only get worse and quickly.
  New Zealand has tens of thousands of small businesses who were not involved in the talkfest.
  That Luxton is heading up this new conversation is interesting in that he is a direct Government employee who recently took on Andrew Kirton (ex Labour Party Gen Sec ?).
  Robertson alluded this morning to the fact that he had been talking to Luxton for some time. Does that suggest that Luxton was told to take on Kirton – maybe being seconded to the conversation to ensure it does what Robertson wants and keep an eye on Luxton.
  Machiavelli Peters is grinning I am sure along with Shane Jones – who openly has no time for Cindy or Robertson.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Luxon not Luxton.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:27am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Not five minutes ago, Jones the gob, was threatening to hang either of them from the tail-plane.
      
      Got to ask how Kirton got that position.
      
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      August 29, 2018 8:51am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Indeed; what responsible corporate would hire someone with an inquiry hanging over their head that goes directly to their ability to do the job.
        
        It was such a poor hire by AirNZ, you have to wonder what the contra deal with the Labour Party was.
        
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        August 29, 2018 9:04am
  - MCos
    
    You heard at bowls that Winston was the bees knees?
    Never would have picked that!
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:02am
  - secondcumming
    
    Luxon…..the guy who “want’s to do a John Key and lead the National Party”
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:08am
  - rangitoto
    
    It was interesting to hear Jones on Leighton Smith a half hour ago. His contempt for Cindy and Gweens is palpable. How the CoL holds together is a mystery.
    
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    August 29, 2018 10:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    With respect it is the people at bowls who voted for Peters and got us in this mess.
    
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    August 29, 2018 2:19pm
- VicParking
  
  Deputy Prime Minister is Bulldust
  
  Minister of Finance is Biased
  
  Economic Development Minister is Junk
  
  Prime Minister could not see the elephant in the room if it shat on her
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Like this?
    https://youtu.be/SA-JdLDOSEo?t=30
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:06am
- Harkman
  
  That Wayne-Kerr CEO of Westpac telling me to get over the election, fk-him, I withdrawing any money I may have at his back, all 50 cents of it.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:06am
- Liberty
  
  “The Princess Moochers and looters committee”
  The Princes held another talkfest has formed yet another committee.
  Amongst the moochers sucking up to Col was some banker who
  Pompously claimed Business NZ should forget the election and move on.
  Business NZ forgot the election the day the inept Col was formed.
  Knowing the the rock star economy was now being controlled
  By an academic whose only practical experience was cooking a chip.
  The end result will be NZ joining Venezuela at the bottom.
  Consequently business NZ has gone into lock down to ride out the incoming storm.
  By having minimal staff, minimal stock, minimal update of plant.
  Now one year down. Only two years to go before NZ is once again guided by professionals.
  As for the scabs who have joined The Princess Moochers and looters committee.
  Show some fortitude and stop pandering to this appalling Government.
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:59am
- freethinker
  
  I think Taxinda and her band of incompetent know nothings will discover that the Elephant is actually
  a very hungry Tyrannosaurus Rex who will devour the COLL and then be violently sick when the venomous contents are digested.
  
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  August 29, 2018 5:19pm
hullkiwi

Seems Morrinsville small businesses are not that impressed with the nation’s first mother. RNZ Morning Report took up Judith Collins challenge, so McLachlan went through the Morrinsville phone book. Result, look business people are not singing the praises of the town’s local girl.
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August 29, 2018 8:08am
- holysheet
  
  You would be hard pressed to find any town wanting to own that silly little girl. Saw a movie on the weekend where the local police badge had the words ” Dearborne Police, the home of Henry Ford”
  
  Can you imagine ” Morrinsville the home of the silly little girl who fucked a good country”?
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:25am
  - hullkiwi
    
    HS on that note, it’ll be interesting to get WaikatoGirl’s reaction?
    5…4…3…2…1…
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:31am
    - waikatogirl
      
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      I don’t know anything more about Morrinsville than you do hulk. I imagine holy is right!
      
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      August 29, 2018 8:41am
      - hullkiwi
        
        I know where it is and I’ve been there a few times in my life, how is that?
        
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        August 29, 2018 11:49am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Question:
  Considering about 80% of all business’ are classes as “small” and owner operated to some degree.
  Why was this expensive luncheon, for invited CEO’s of large business’?
  CEO’s are largely NOT owners but employees of the owners(shareholders).
  Looking at their faces around the room, even they didn’t look impressed…at all.
  NB small business’, employ about 60% of the countries workers.
  Confidence down…..unemployment …up!!!!
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:51am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Exactly!
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:29am
  - Liberty
    
    Its was a bit rich of the Westpac manger ranting on.
    He would be blind on how his small business customers in heartland NZ are getting on.
    There was a time the local Manager got out of his office and walked down the street
    And had a chat with his customers.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:20am
    - Paulus
      
      Westpac, for one, no longer have Managers (or Branches for that matter)- they have some woman who sits in her office waiting for teatime.
      The computer tells her when to wake up to go home.
      
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      August 29, 2018 1:36pm
    - freethinker
      
      Bank Economists record of accurate forecasting this last 10 years have been been less reliable than the Zimbabwe weather forecasting outfit. Westcrap have just reported a big drop in the interest margin – failed to predict that as well.
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:23pm
- Longknives
  
  I thought the Messiah claimed to be from Te Aroha?
  *Or is it like the story of how she met Clarke Gayford? She chops and changes to suit…
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:19am
  - calendar girl
    
    Te Aroha (further east near the Kaimai-Manaku forest) was where she spent a lot of her childhood when her father was resident Policeman there.
    
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    August 29, 2018 10:38am
- backster
  
  Maybe Morrinsville is peeved because the name of Aderne’s baby memorialise’s TeAroha instead of Morrinsville. The Fish and Chip business not doing so well then.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:24am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    For sure. Neve Morrinsville Gayford-Ardern.
    
    Hardly trips off the tongue does it.
    
    Do they make name-tags that long? Imagine sewing those into the school uniform.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:38am
    - Paulus
      
      Hope they spell the baby’s name tag correctly without an “i” in it.
      Poor child.
      
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      August 29, 2018 1:37pm
duggledog

Um, yes Brett68… I know it’s a bit of a stretch when you think it’s Woodhouse but maybe it is as simple as that.

Chelsea Manning is what the ordinary Joe would call a weirdo. Joe doesn’t give a shit about what Chelsea did. The ordinary National voter would not like to see their representatives siding with a total freak like Chelsea.

National simply cannot carry on trying to be all things to all people.
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August 29, 2018 8:09am
- brett68
  
  I vote National and I couldn’t give a shit if he wants to be a woman.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:18am
  - KevOB
    
    Manning is an irrelevance. We do ourselves more harm by denying freedom. We are not the COL.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:25am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes and just about every day you find something to voice your dislike for the National Leader or it’s MP’s. I do think this is a bad decision but alot of visitors to NZ have done a lot less than Manning and haven’t been able to get a visa.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:33am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    What about the fact that he was a traitor.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:48am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      IS
      He is a traitor
      There fixed that for you.
      
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      August 29, 2018 12:03pm
    - freethinker
      
      You may be right but looking at the lack of “Integrity of the CIA/FBI & US MOJ” she / he may be telling the unpalatable truth.
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:27pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I care that he wants to be a cock in a frock when he wants me to pay for his delusions.
    
    I identify as a one armed maori lesbian with a lisp; I am sure if I identified as a new 8m Rayglass boat, I would still get nothing.
    
    Back to reality as white, pale stale, taxpayer . . . .
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    I don’t give a shit if he wants to be a horse . Just don’t expect me to call him a horse.
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:32pm
holysheet

Just seen where Julie Bishop, aussies ex foreign minister, is in line to be their next governor-general. Good help us if the COLL decide to follow suit and appoint that ugly bitch Helun as our next GG. After all, she is still looking for a job. No directorships for her.
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August 29, 2018 8:09am
- JibberJabber
  
  Unfortunately, NZ has an incredibly shallow talent pool, so buckle up.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:16am
  - MCos
    
    I could think of plenty of worthy personalities: Sam Hunt, Tame Iti, Dotcom . . . the Topp Twins could do a double act
    
    Imagine Tame Iti welcoming President Trump to NZ. What fun!
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:24am
    - MH
      
      why not bring back a pom with a monocle? After all NZ is a mature country now and can look back without feeling patronised, whanau are our thing, aren’t they? Our ancestors and attachments can be enjoyed without shame. The commonwealth is something to be proud of. If we were mature and not think best to throw out the baby along with the bathwater to prove our Independence rather than cut of all historical ties as we have and vice versa by Britain.
      
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      August 29, 2018 11:25am
- pdm
  
  It is why I say NZ should not consider becoming a republic until Bolger, Clark and Peters are all dead and buried.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:31am
- sooty
  
  What’s wrong with Sir Bob Jones?
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:47am
  - holysheet
    
    Stale old white male????
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:07am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      OMG! White privilege!
      
      How very dare you!
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:09am
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    Ritchie?
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:28am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    We’re saving Sir Bob Jones for President.
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:06pm
- marcw
  
  H1 is anti-royalist – what should she have to do with being GG? What an insult to the Queen that would be. It would be the dumbest move ever to nominate her – but in saying that … we do have princess Cindy so I can’t rule it out.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:31am
- RF
  
  I was recently in the company of Helen Clark and very surprised to see that close up in the flesh she looks much older than in the photos you see of her. Not the photo shopped ones that were doing the rounds years ago.
  
  She needs to have an orthodontist sort out her crooked teeth as they were stained and looking bloody terrible. Think Nanny McPhee.
  
  She must be a troubled soul as she sat there scowling at anyone attempting to strike up a conversation.
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:41am
  - stigie
    
    What did the professor look like..?
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:11am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Invisible.
      
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      August 29, 2018 3:03pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stigie:
      
      What did the professor look like..?
      
      You’d have to have been hanging out in the gents room to catch a glimpse of him?
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:36pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What punishment were you serving to be in the company of that horrendous old witch?
    
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    August 29, 2018 2:40pm
  - freethinker
    
    Who the f88k would want to talk to that venomous bitch.
    
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    August 29, 2018 5:30pm
duggledog

Hull kiwi I think the media and Morrinsville small business owners are being a bit harsh on Jacinda’s brand new Advisory Group.

I mean when you and virtually all of your colleagues have precisely zero experience in the private sector, global business and how to create actual prosperity then what do you do?

The best thing those po faced business leaders could have done during Jacinda’s Dynamic Business Breakfast yesterday morning was walk out en masse.

Because this is an Activist Government. The corporates know exactly what’s going to happen.
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August 29, 2018 8:10am
- Ross12
  
  duggledog
  
  While I agree the lack of real world experience is important , I think the biggest problem with the PM is her lack of leadership experience. A good PM should have that experience by the “truck load”
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:27am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well she’s got the balls to shut down an industry under ‘her leadership’.
    She must think being a leaders all kinds of fun.
    
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    August 29, 2018 10:02am
- VicParking
  
  They might be po faced but no enough to turn down a free lunch, woops sorry breakfast
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:37am
- hullkiwi
  
  Duggledog, while I accept that given here’s and her colleagues’ lack of business experience she needs help from industry advisors with experience. What I find annoying is her and Robbo telling us all they are transitioning the economy and are taking action with big decisions, why? And where do they think we need to transition to?. While in the next breath telling us the economy is doing fine with good growth and low unemployment. None which is because of the actions/decisions of the CoL.
  If anything, the economy has held up remarkably well given the lack of action in some areas and the poor decision making in other areas e.g. oil & gas industry exploration closure, fuel costs up 25% since the election (Woods once again sitting tight and not following through on work started by Collins), NZ$ decline by 10% + since the election, more wage disputes in 10 months than in the previous 10 years.
  If, that is being tough on the inept, as NZ taxpayers, I think we have every right to expect better!
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:41am
  - freethinker
    
    You are being so kind today by only identifying 1% of the COLL defects/decisions/integrity.
    
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    August 29, 2018 5:33pm
- Paulus
  
  Walk out and lose a free Westpac breakfast !
  
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  August 29, 2018 1:40pm
secondcumming

Interesting that the two keynote speakers at the launch of *Labor’s Business Advisory Council*, were Westpac CEO David McClean…… banker to the Government and no doubt facing a new tender process for the business in the near future , and Christopher Luxton,….. CEO of 51% government owned Air NZ.

You can hear the two of them discussing Jacinda’s invitation…….”LET’S DO THIS!” 🙂 🙂
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August 29, 2018 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  Yes I thought the same when the banker spoke. These fuckers are the first to put up interest and their fees whenever the shit hits. The average joe would not understand how high banks fees are to business.
  Banks never feel the downturn like every other business does, so he was the wrong person to promote the silly little girls latest stupid idea as a good one.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And when there is a downturn and banks do feel the pinch, what happens?
    
    The taxpayer is suddenly the socialised backstop of their business!
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:13am
- alex Masterley
  
  To be fair to these blokes sometimes it is better to be inside the tent attempting to influence things so that the fuckwittery is reduced or minimised rather than sitting on the outside moaning and achieving nothing.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:17am
  - MH
    
    it’s the intent that matters.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:28am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Any big business is vulnerable to retaliation from a vindictive government. Their duty to their shareholders means it would be a mistake for them to say or do anything to upset Jacinda. Small businesses are another story and they make up a huge part of our economy.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Is it not so that the Greens are trying to get the Government to move its banking to KiwiBank ?
    
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    August 29, 2018 1:41pm
- KevOB
  
  An ideologue has to restrict their advisors to those who will give advice to specifications. That is why they cannot govern: they cannot deal with the pragmatism required. What would they do with a Christchurch earthquake? What rulebook is that in?
  The external world seems irrelevant to them despite the fact the NZD has dropped 20% and much of that from external factors with more to come.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:34am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Those “external factors” are largely a rampaging US economy, mostly caused by TAX cuts.
    So the other contributing factor is OUR incompetent govt. who is in the process of doing and achieving the exact opposite.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:58am
hullkiwi

Indiana is not a happy little camper this morning. Last night Tasman District voted down a water dam scheme because of escalating construction cost estimates. Now the region’s friend had promised the scheme funding from his slush fund. So, with last night’s vote Tasman are sending the cheque back to Indiana. Now he is not happy with this.

However, this episode once again raises the question as to how much due diligence is being done regarding projects Jones is offering taxpayer support for? This project is yet another example of poor procurement process leading to contractors escalating estimated costs. You have to give credit to Tasman councillors who voted down this project.

If only, somebody would clip Twitford’s and JAG’s wastage in Auckland (the tram, SkyPath & SeaPath)!
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August 29, 2018 8:18am
- waikatogirl
  
  Reposted from last night:
  The construction costs of the 3.5km Auckland city rail link priced at $3.4billion has blown out to similar amounts so looking at closer to $6billion. For every metre, the cost, so far, is over $100k. TVNZ happily stated Robbo is “footing the bill”. ?
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:35am
  - VicParking
    
    Makes the East West link look cheap now
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:41am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      A second harbour bridge to carry far more people daily than that fing underground train ever will, a snip at less cost!
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:16am
  - Harkman
    
    Some economist wrote a book how these projects never come in near budget. As for Auckland’s rail link the cost-loss is really perpetual. It will never run a profit.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:10am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Harman, it is called project optimism bias. That is those promoting projects always:
      1. Overstate the benefits/revenue returns; and
      2. Understate the costs/negative impacts of a project.
      
      It usually can be boiled down to a promoter (usually a politician) wants a legacy and they have no idea what they are talking about and don’t Cate what the outcome will be.
      
      Hence Auckland gets CRL, the trams etc. and everybody will pay to save Auckland from bankruptcy.
      
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      August 29, 2018 10:09am
      - Harkman
        
        Yes, I think someone from CATO/Heritage etc wrote a good book on it but I don’t know who (I read the review). It’s not the first time Auckland has been bailed, the reason the provincial system was abolished was Auckland and Southland were bankrupt but this system delivered these lands from a Nation of waring tribes to 1 or 2 in the rankings. We’ve been in a rankings decline since doing away with this internal regional competition.
        
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        August 29, 2018 12:40pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    That’s conservative…CRL is running late and the estimate is north of $6bn. Remember, we were told it was $2.5bn when they closed down the Downtown Shopping mall in 2016.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:33am
  - marcw
    
    It’s getting towards the $10 billion potential – even bigger than the $7.5 billion I predicted at the start. NZ Local Government Assoc. will be bailing out ACC from bankruptcy in 5 years (all local governments share in each other’s failures by agreement). So just because you don’t live in Auckland, don’t think you won’t be paying too.
    
    The last National Government had to deal with the GFC, the next will have to deal with the NZ FC. So the cycle continues.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m wondering where the poor man is going to spread his largesse. Seems all the regions are wanting to close down development… Tasman/Nelson doesn’t want a new dam.. so their growers will look elsewhere for expansion; Patea doesn’t want iron-sand mining way off on its western horizon.
  I went up to Hicks Bay yesterday… the locals don’t want their old wharf repaired… Ngati Porou Forestry do….There are millions of pines planted in the northern East Coast that will be harvested over the next 20 years… It makes sense to deliver them to a Northern Porthead, as opposed to trucking them all through to Gisborne.
  
  There will have to be some political wrangling to get the anti-development folks in the regions to embrace industry, change and progress.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:45am
- howitis
  
  …Twitford’s and JAG’s wastage in Auckland (the tram, SkyPath & SeaPath…
  
  One belt one road >> Ao tear rower style
  Communism done the NZ way (1960s model; kind of like a Trekka; Czecha style )
  
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  August 29, 2018 1:10pm
realityczech

Tiger Woods was asked what he thought about race relations after a game of golf – on a sports channel. Because Tiger refused to indulge in an anti Trump rant they attacked Tiger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUuLdK_EmAo
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August 29, 2018 8:20am
- stephieboy
  
  kea, is ranting Mark Dice Alex Jones’s Dad?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Ibf9pDmXM
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:08am
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy, you will get into trouble with your fellow lefties for mentioning Alex Jones on the internet. Remember you disappeared him.
    
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    August 29, 2018 3:31pm
duggledog

The Heat:

No, the statement from Woodhouse is not controlling. It’s just simply pointing out the facts.

The headline (and I repeat myself) is this:

Woodhouse / National say No to Chelsea Manning.

Ask the guy with the stop-go sign if he’d go out of his way to meet someone who looks like Chelsea Manning
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August 29, 2018 8:21am
- secondcumming
  
  I would. 😎
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:38am
  - VicParking
    
    First cumming when you first see her
    Second cumming when she shook your……..
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:43am
- simpleton1
  
  As I posted on the Manning post
  Canada turned Manning away
  25th September 2017
  
  On Monday, she [Manning] posted a letter from Canadian immigration officials to her Twitter account that said because she was convicted of offences that are deemed equivalent to treason in Canada , she’s inadmissible to this country for what’s known as “serious criminality.”
  
  https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chelsea-manning-says-she-was-denied-entry-to-canada-over-criminal-record/article36384332/
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:43am
  - Kabull
    
    This is exactly what the twitterazie are missing – its not a ‘free speech’ issue but one of compliance with our immigration laws. I have no doubt that a NZ citizen convicted of the crimes Manning has, would not be permitted to enter the US.
    
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    August 29, 2018 10:34am
holysheet

The Police arrived at my neighbour Mohammed’s house earlier, seems he reported his wife as a missing person as she didn’t come home when expected. Luckily it turned out to be a false alarm, she had been given school detention.
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August 29, 2018 8:26am
- realityczech
  
  LOL good one.
  
  “Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg—who is 63 with a long, graying beard—recently sat down with me to explain what he described as a “child-rape assembly line” among sects of fundamentalist Jews.”
  
  https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What do the men from the “child-rape assembly line” do after they grow up?
    If they have any honor, they go after the elderly rapists.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:49am
    - realityczech
      
      Odukyu-sen, not that simple I am afraid. People who speak out are persecuted and cut off from everything they know. Rabbi Rosenberg has paid a terrible price for speaking out. He is a man of honour and a devout Jew. He is now rejected by his own people and can’t fit into mainstream society either. It is a sad story.
      
      KB is full of these sorts of people. They regard speaking out as a bigger crime than raping kids.
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:43am
      - realityczech
        
        7 Pedo enablers and counting. Come on surely there must be more?…
        
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        August 29, 2018 3:32pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I didn’t have “speaking out” in mind.
        
        There are other ways to get the message across than by talking.
        
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        August 29, 2018 8:22pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Lucky she wasn’t tossed into the back of a passing rubbish truck dressed like a moving bin liner.
  
  Muslim fancy dress and ‘come as you are’ party’s must be a real hoot!
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:20am
DigNap15

Jacinda’s business working group is a joke.
It should be run by small business people, retailers, builders, exporters, manufacturers.
In actual fact we don’t need one,. The government just needs to get out of business’ way.
I think that business confidence will keep dropping along with the dollar.
More taxes
More strikes
More rules
More beneficiaries
More crims

In a few months the fireworks and lights will really be flashing in Jacinda and Grants offices.
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August 29, 2018 8:34am
- holysheet
  
  Yeah and all they will do is get a thicker pair of shades
  
  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/files/Nerd_with_Glasses_Emoji.png?9898922749706957214
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:43am
- realityczech
  
  They don’t care. Labour’s support does not come from productive people. It is made up of a, largely white, elite ruling class and poor brown people to get the numbers up. Both groups live off the tax payer.
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    kea, you from the productive sector?
    
    LOL
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:48am
    - realityczech
      
      I am pretty useless stupidboy – but not so intellectually bankrupt that I support the authoritarian hard left.
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:51am
- Harkman
  
  Largest trade deficit ever, yet a falling dollar didn’t help exporters deliver a surplus because the foreign items we need just take up more of our disposable income. When will they learn?
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:15am
  - igm
    
    They do not have one person with commercial integrity amongst them. They are correctly referred to as the CoL, and that is apt.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:31am
- double d
  
  One annoying line I hear from many observers/commentators, is that businesses have an innate bias against labour governments, as though it is a political bias issue rather than a policy issue.
  I suspect policies that increase cost (raising minimum wages without addressing productivity) and make the business environment more difficult to operate in have an impact on this sentiment. Maybe closing down entire industries without any consultation or not having any policies in place and needing working group proxys as decisions enablers are part of the issue.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:15am
Nookin

So, the government will not pay for the costs ($160,000) of returning a critically ill NZer from Bali because it is against the rules.

I seem to recall that it was also against the rules for a political party to make off with $158,000 of tax payer funds not that long ago.
I guess rules are things that apply to some people and not others. Clearly, they are not involved in the racing or fishing industries!
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August 29, 2018 8:38am
- Komata
  
  Nookin: Air Force One’s excursion to LAX comes immedately to mind…
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:00am
Manolo

Rumour has it that stephieboy himself will be at Auckland Airport to welcome Miss Manning. A marriage of true minds, I’d suppose.
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August 29, 2018 8:46am
Ross12

“Theresa May Announces Support For South African ‘No Compensation’ Land Reform”

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/28/theresa-may-announces-support-for-south-african-no-compensation-land-reform/

The sooner Boris makes his move the better. The woman is crazy ( and her advisers must have rocks in their heads).
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August 29, 2018 8:54am
- Komata
  
  Ross12: Sadly, the Brits have form in such matters. Rhodesia was treated in a similar manner….
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Komata, that as white minority of 250,000should forever rule over millions more?
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:47am
    - realityczech
      
      stupidboy, great to hear you speaking out against minorities. You are correct, majorities should rule.
      
      Well done moron.
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:54am
    - Komata
      
      Not ‘forever more’ BUT at least until there is a viable, educated, neutral ‘native’ middle class. It is / was noticeable that when such ‘British minorities’ did rule, there was peace through out the land and the country was prosperous. India is but one example where such things occured succesfully. Contrast that with the current situation in Zim and SA…
      
      Englishmen may have been lampooned by Coward, but at least they were successful in their mission.
      
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      August 29, 2018 10:25am
- dave_c_
  
  Perhaps she has similar plans to be rolled out in the UK ?
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:38am
- dave_c_
  
  I guess this ‘confiscation’, is no different than the ‘Agenda 21’ ambition to move allcomers into the cities in the US. It’s all about the control of the citizenry.
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:01am
- Ross12
  
  This is a very interesting development in the issue.
  
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/south-african-parliament-withdraws-bill-to-steal-white-owned-land-following-president-trumps-tweet/
  
  “On Tuesday the South African ANC led government announced they were withdrawing their land grab legislation for further reconsideration.”
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:06am
  - cmm
    
    Another international win for the Donald.
    
    Theresa May just folded and gave them her support!
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12115578
    
    Of course the devil is in the details. One would be utterly naive to believe this is the end of it.
    
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    August 29, 2018 4:24pm
    - Ross12
      
      There some reports, cmm, saying they have delayed it or going to implement the ideas in another way. I hope they are wrong.
      
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      August 29, 2018 7:28pm
- freethinker
  
  You are right but I would prefer the rocks to be on their head having fallen many metres and weighing many kilos
  
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  August 29, 2018 5:51pm
doggone7

Ardern sets up some sort of group to link with and get feedback from business leaders. What a dumb stupid thing to do. It would be far more sensible for her to come on Kiwiblog and get the inside oil and bounce ideas around about business. Or read the newspapers.

Thing is, then what she’d read on here is that she’s dumb and stupid and out of touch for not dealing directly with business leaders.

Or maybe she should have floated the idea on here and asked for votes on who she should communicate with in the business world. And only dealt with the nominated group. Then while the group elected, those fitting the particular views and perspectives from here would be in the loop, she’d be pilloried for not being decisive and making up her own mind.
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August 29, 2018 8:54am
- Tarquin North
  
  Just be thankful she isn’t relying on what the kids at Point Chev primary think – so far anyway.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:59am
  - cmm
    
    The teachers at Pt Chev have been handing out new readers about the evils of capitalism and worker exploitation so perhaps the kids will have something to say in a few weeks.
    
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    August 29, 2018 4:25pm
DigNap15

The thing the Business Working group is a waste of time because Labour have their agenda, and its not business friendly.
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August 29, 2018 9:00am
- Komata
  
  DigNap: Predetermined outcomes sometime need window dressing. It keeps the proles happy…
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:05am
DigNap15

The judge that says our justice system is broken is part of the problem.
Its their short, namby pamby sentences and lack of tough action at the first time a person commits a crime that are the problem.
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August 29, 2018 9:03am
- dave_c_
  
  Also a mention of what appears to be inconsistent rulings and sentencing. Most citizenry have an inate sense of what is a reasonable and what is not reasonable for a crime committed. Sentencing for similar crimes often appear poles apart. Either the judges or the laws fail to deliver ‘justice’.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:35am
- backster
  
  Totally out of touch, and absolutely no empathy with victims, and he is leading contender for Chief Justice., once the current pretender retire.
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:08am
Manolo

Trump warns the censors:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/trump-accuses-google-of-rigging-search-results-in-favor-of-bad-coverage.html

President Donald Trump doubled down on threats against Facebook, Twitter and Google Tuesday afternoon, saying the social platforms are “treading on very, very troubled territory and they have to be careful.”

Trump said in a tweet that the tech giant’s search engine had “rigged” news story results to show mostly “bad” stories about him and other conservatives.
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August 29, 2018 9:06am
- holysheet
  
  The other day 350+ news outlets got together and planned a co-ordinated campaign against Trump to attack him over the false claims he made about how the news outlets are banding together in a co -ordinated campaign against him.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  Just google Trump and here is wHat we come up with,
  
  https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&ei=C7qFW-baC5f6wAPN76-4Aw&q=Trump&oq=Trump&gs_l=psy-ab.12…0.0.0.34590.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0….0.89UI7VEz5Ww
  
  Rigged, indeed !
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:11am
- realityczech
  
  Google openly censors search results. It also openly employs far left activist sites like Snopes to “fact check” political stories.
  
  It is not a conspiracy, they are actually loud and proud about doing it. The censorship words to watch out for are things like: Fake news, hate speech, community standards.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:50am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yep, look at the sources in Stupidboys link.
    CNBC,CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Vanity Fair, The Guardian, Stuff, Politico.
    But nah, it’s not ‘rigged’
    Great own goal.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:57am
    - holysheet
      
      Must be false news then. There is no mention of his pillow talk with his goats.
      
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      August 29, 2018 10:37am
secondcumming

Back listening to Leighton on ZB this morning….is it just me, or are other people pissed off with his continued guttural pauses?

FFS!!
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August 29, 2018 9:17am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Perhaps. I am confident that these are future treasured moments when the airhead who is to replace him at the end of the year takes that chair and ZB’s audience numbers plummet.
  
  LS’s presentation is ‘unique’ and that is what makes his program; switch to whatever the other talkback show has to offer or the Concert Program, always a delight!
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:28am
- calendar girl
  
  I’m just delighted Leighton Smith is back on air. He’s a rare entity in our news media – someone who is no pinko, and a person who is prepared to analyse and criticise the political machinations of the left.
  
  He’ll be sorely missed when he finally retires late this year.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:36am
Harkman

That Edinburgh Fringe festival must be a tick the boxes contest because Rose Matafeo isn’t funny.
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August 29, 2018 9:18am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Tick box or thick box.
  
  I agree, Rose Matafeo winning demonstrates it must have been a seriously sad turn out this year.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:30am
  - Harkman
    
    Honestly, not being nasty but I have never heard her say anything funny. Mind you Amy Schumer isn’t funny either.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:44am
Hugh Pavletich

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NEW ZEALAND: Why Westpac (Bank) CEO David McLean is right in urging the business community to get over the election result and get on with business | interest.co.nz

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-29-august-2018/#comment-3175185 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-29-august-2018/#comment-3175194

Why Westpac (Bank) CEO David McLean is right in urging the business community to get over the election result and get on with business | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/95561/why-westpac-ceo-david-mclean-right-urging-business-community-get-over-election-result

… extract …

… Bridges and Key none the wiser

The whole, ‘MMP is to blame for the Nats losing the election’ line is getting old.

As is the rhetoric that somehow the economy would be in a vastly better position if National was in power.

It simply wouldn’t.

John Key, in all his National Party poster boy glory, has even admitted it.

A month ago he told Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking that the factors that drove the economy when he was Prime Minister – strong immigration and house price growth, an abundance of cheap credit globally and a booming China – were either being “taken off the table or reducing”.

“If you want to continue to stimulate the New Zealand economy, the question is, what replaces those factors? And that’s the question the Government ultimately needs to answer,” Key said.

He did not however answer the question himself.

When I asked National Leader Simon Bridges a fortnight ago what he would do, his initial reaction was to do exactly what the Labour-led Government is doing and invest more in health and education.

He then bumbled on, somewhat incoherently, about the work underway in various sectors. You can see his exact response here…. Read more via hyperlink above …
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How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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… further information …
June Update; Ardern / Twyford and Gone Gone Going sections …
Performance Urban Planning
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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August 29, 2018 9:25am
- Harkman
  
  McLean can go fk himself.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:45am
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    AUSTRALIA: ABC does the investor mortgage reset shock – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/abc-investor-mortgage-reset-shock/
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    Hong Kong’s hot property sector show signs of cooling | Financial Times
    
    https://www.ft.com/content/774f6c5a-a77c-11e8-8ecf-a7ae1beff35b
    
    Rising interest rates, a slowing economy and a depreciating renminbi is starting to cool Hong Kong’s residential property market, the world’s least affordable housing sector.
    
    Property developers have been selling new residential homes below market value in a sign that demand is drying up, according to market data.
    
    The average price for a new flat from Nan Fung Development at its LP6 project in Tseung Kwan O is HK$15,304 per square foot, which represents more than a 10 per cent discount on new units sold nearby, according to real estate information site Dataelements. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:21am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NEW ZEALAND: BUSINESS CONFIDENCE CRASHES … PM JACINDA ARDERNS INFANTILE MALTHUSIAN ECONOMICS …
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-29-august-2018/#comment-3175713 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/small_businesses_unimpressed.html/comment-page-1#comment-2294714
      
      Paper for UN sustainable development project sets out why and how the ways energy, transport, food and housing are produced and consumed should be transformed | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/news/95552/paper-un-sustainable-development-project-argues-why-and-how-ways-energy-transport-food
      
      By Gareth Vaughan
      
      “It is time to retool our economy to make it work within the limits of our environment, shape it to deliver on the hopes and aspirations of all our people, and for our economic purpose to be bigger than just profit.”
      
      So said Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in a speech to an Auckland business audience on Tuesday morning.
      
      Ardern’s speech was entitled Working together to build a new economy. The lofty goals she outlined are similar to those detailed in a paper I was sent later on Tuesday. Entitled Governance of economic transition, the paper paints a dystopian picture of where the world is heading arguing the ways energy, transport, food and housing are produced and consumed must be transformed via some sort of global Marshall Plan.
      
      The paper was written by Finland’s BIOS Research Unit. It’s a scientific background document on transforming economies to support work on the United Nations Global Sustainable Development Report 2019.
      
      The paper argues new economic thinking is required for a changing world that’s facing challenges from climate change and a move away from fossil fuel driven energy supply. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 29, 2018 5:28pm
lastmanstanding

The latest saga in Aucklands continuing infrastructure shambles. The Council (AT) have just figured out their Park N Ride stations arent big enough.
My son used the Albany PNR from day one. It filled up so quickly he agreed with his boss he would start work and hour earlier so he could get a park. A little while later that didnt work so he and others starting parking quite safely on the grass verges around the PNR. They were ticketed.
So the Greens/Socialist Left refuse to increase the roading infrastructure and tell the Peasants ‘Get the bloody bus Aholes” and then dont provide the infrastructure.

This is they story of Auckland and to a lesser extent elsewhere.

The citizens continue to tolerate incompetence and willful negligence,

And the CRL. The recently appointed CEO has just told us the cost will be significantly higher than the previous estimates.

Im picking north of $6 Billion and it will be a white elephant. Use will not match the cost and not provide a return in any measure.

Smart business is now either moving out or allowing staff to work remotely. Remote working saves lots. As an employee you pay rent for the workers space of 24/7 168 hr per week yet the worker uses it for 40 pr so. That means you are paying for the empty space foe 76% of the week.

Plus all the other costs of having an employee on site. Better to do as I have done in 2 situations are pay the worker an allowance to use their home as an office.

Also allows better work life balance and allows the worker to avoid the time and cost of commuting.
For example from Browns Bay where I life the weekly commute by car is 10 hours plus. That is not usually paid time so a 40 hour worker is doing 50 hours plus door to door getting paid for 40 which reduces their hourly rate by 20%. So if on say $40 ph the actual rate is $32 ph.
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August 29, 2018 9:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  $6Billion would pay for about 120km of elevated Skyrail out of BYD (China). Basically like 600 person buses, uses tyres to pinch on a rail and can climb steep grades quietly with max speed 80km/hr
  
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  August 29, 2018 3:26pm
Steve (North Shore)

South African farmer thanks Trump.
I hope this link works.
https://www.facebook.com/WorldCloudLA/videos/330118297729960/
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August 29, 2018 9:30am
artemisia

“In some senses I am the largest employer in this room,” she said, prompting eyes to roll in the audience.

Hahahaha! No wonder eyes rolled.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106636870/jacinda-ardern-opens-the-door-to-business-filling-the-vacuum
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August 29, 2018 9:37am
- marcw
  
  FFS is there ANY brain inside that air-head? Unbelievable.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:48am
  - realityczech
    
    Yeah but the sheeple love her and have you seen the baby? Awwwwww
    
    I mean who understands all that politics stuff anyway…
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:56am
  - Inandout
    
    She looks like a bag lady, albeit a newly wealthy one. The brains aren’t on show in that video clip.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:17am
  - freethinker
    
    Yes Taxinda does have a brain located in her large intestine with direct outlets to the nether and facial orifices which explains the smell and content they both emit.
    
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    August 29, 2018 6:00pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She’s certainly the biggest cost of doing business in NZ.
  
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  August 29, 2018 3:27pm
- cmm
  
  She’s also the biggest philanthropist in NZ.
  
  She is also paying for all the first year university fees.
  
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  August 29, 2018 4:29pm
- Piniwi
  
  @artemisia reminds of the story of the old county boy taking a driving test. When asked “if he could make a U turn?” he replied “sonny I can make her eyes roll.”
  
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  August 29, 2018 5:53pm
Keeping Stock

Bryce Edwards used to be a cheerleader for Jacinda Ardern’s government, but it seems the lustre has worn of:

They say a new car smell never lasts long. And Clare Curran has been a major contributor to a slight whiffiness that now accompanies this government.

While the prime minister herself has been a major asset in projecting an image of newness and change, Ms Curran’s behaviour – and now Jacinda Ardern’s relative leniency in dealing with that – has had a tarnishing effect.

Ms Curran’s first major stumble, earlier in the year over the meeting with Carol Hirschfeld, was bad enough. But others, particularly Ms Hirschfeld, paid the price, while Ms Curran largely escaped with a telling off, despite misleading Parliament.

That it was the Minister for Open Government who concealed a meeting with a senior public servant at the beginning of a major restructure wasn’t a good look, to say the least. Many Labour supporters hoped for a genuine change, not just in policies, but in the basic approach to government, eschewing crony capitalism and “jobs for the boys and girls”, which the previous government had rightly been criticised for many times.

Back in March they would have had a sinking feeling. What happened at 4pm last Friday may have finally sunk that promise.

Genuine mistakes and oversights by new ministers can be forgiven. But the same mistake, by the same person, leading to the same serious outcome – misleading Parliament – within a few months is corrosive.

The difference this time is that the prime minister had no choice but to act, and so Ms Ardern’s behaviour and response to Ms Curran’s misdemeanours now also comes under the spotlight.

First, there’s the Friday 4pm news dump. Despite the PM’s ongoing defence of the timing, it was so blatant, so brazen and so contrary to the basic principles of transparency and open government that it’s worthy of the final days of a third or fourth term administration.

Second, the refusal to sack someone who has made the same fundamental and basic mistake twice in a matter of months also undermines notions of basic accountability. New prime ministers usually start off trying to set the bar high, and the bar is progressively lowered as the ministerial casualties mount.

It seems the bar for sacking has been set at “deliberate intent”, rather than “incompetence”. And hence Ms Curran has been spared from banishment to the backbench and only “half sacked”.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/365088/this-government-has-lost-its-new-car-smell

Edwards’ whole piece is pretty dismissive of the Ardern government and its standards. I somehow doubt he’ll be getting a Christmas card from the PM.
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August 29, 2018 9:46am
- cmm
  
  There’s only so long you can keep digging the hole before you decide you one day want to crawl out.
  
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  August 29, 2018 4:30pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  You can’t fire a friend who has lived with you and knows every skeleton and where they are buried… Curran has both Jacinda and Mallard by the short and curlies. Trouble is she is so fucking thick, she doesn’t know which Curly belongs to who…
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:42pm
Scott Hamilton

It’d be timely for Chelsea Manning, with her insights into spying, to come to NZ, because Kiwis may be about to be the targets of espionage on an unparalleled scale.

Several experts believe China is building a huge spy base in our nearest neighbour. I’ve just been in the Kingdom of Tonga, and I can testify that the ’embassy’ is immense – it extends for three stories below was well as above the ground. I also talked with two local academics who believe the ’embassy’ has equipment capable of intercepting all sorts of communications in NZ. They think it was sited in Nuku’alofa because the city lacks American, British, or French embassies and spies.

Local journalists are wary of covering the story, due perhaps to their dependence on Chinese advertisements and junkets to Beijing, and so far only NZ’s veteran Pacific watcher Michael Field has taken up the issue: https://www.facebook.com/mjfield/posts/10157902871153066

The National and Labour parties are both aware of how dependent NZ has become on Beijing. I’m not surprised they haven’t raised the issue. But a visit by Chelsea Manning would be a good opportunity for NZers to reflect on the prevalence of spying in the 21st C, and to wake up to the possibility that they may soon have their most intimate communications read by Chinese spies.
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August 29, 2018 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now what are you worrying your self with about China’s relationship with Tonga?
  
  Our little princess didn’t think the issue was worth bringing up when she was in Tonga in March.
  
  Ardern met with Pohiva in the new Saint George Palace, built with over $15m of Chinese aid money.
  
  She told media Tonga’s relationship with China and Pohiva’s ill health was not a topic of discussion during the meeting.
  
  “Our focus has been on New Zealand’s relationship with Tonga, not Tonga’s relationship with anyone else,” Ardern said.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102046975/cyclonestruck-tonga-gets-further-7m-from-nz
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:32am
  - Jack5
    
    The resaon for China’s South Pacific expansion seems also to be to curtail Taiwan support from Pacific micro-states.
    
    Wouldn’t worry too much about the vast Chinese embassy in Nuku’alofa. China has several white elephant building projects in its own borders, including scores of new but empty “ghost cities”.
    
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-chinese-cities-are-ghost-towns-2017-4?r=US&IR=T#/#when-caemmerer-found-out-about-these-empty-cities-he-was-immediately-fascinated-as-an-architectural-photographer-i-found-the-notion-of-a-contemporary-ghost-town-to-be-appealing-in-a-sort-of-unsettling-way-he-said-1
    
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    August 29, 2018 3:29pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Nah, the Chinese don’t need a spy base, they make so much of the technological hardware for the West, they probably have stuff sending them data every time somebody uses a phone or a laptop…. And, it doesn’t bother me one bit. If China ruled the world, so what? Better than Ragheads ruling the world…. China today is not the China of the 50s and 60s.. I have taught many Chinese students, they work hard, are respectful, and don’t bugger around in class. I have Chinese property managers, – efficient and polite. My mechanic, chemist, doctor, all Chinese. And if the Chinese ruled New Zealand, there would be no more treaty shit either.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:37pm
Manolo

Mamma Merkel’s refugees are no saints:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/far-right-demonstrators-extra-police-chemnitz-violence-a8509991.html

Extra police have been sent to the city after hundreds of far-right activists protested amid tensions over the killing of a German man for which an Iraqi and a Syrian have been arrested on charges of manslaughter.

Prosecutors said two men, a 23-year-old Syrian and a 22 year-old Iraqi, were taken into custody on suspicion of manslaughter after a clash on 26 August in which one man in his 30s died.
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August 29, 2018 10:00am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and that bitch Merkel said she would not tolerate people taking vigilante action.
  She did not condemn the murderer or say sorry for bringing those sum into Germany.
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:32am
  - Inandout
    
    Merkel let the monkeys live amongst decent German people who were trying to forget their Nazi past, but you can’t suppress news of the crimes which are happening every day on German streets. The sleeping eagle has been woken and Merkel should be very afraid.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:13am
Surely Knott

Uk banning wet wipes and discussions on talkback if NZ should follow. They are undoubtedly an environmental hazard. But….for working travelling modern parents consider the options. When young Neve is on the plane travelling to the UN, and has a liquid poonami disaster. Will Gayford pop into the bathroom, open the reusable cloth nappie, scrape the poo down the toilet, wipe Neeve with toilet paper and then a reuseable moistened flannel that he has in his bag. And then take pooey flannel and nappy and put them back in a cloth bag (?) and put it back in his carry on luggage with the other soiled nappies and reusable flannels to wash in napisan back at the hotel?
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August 29, 2018 10:05am
- sooty
  
  Without a wetwipe how are Labour, snowflakes and Geoffry Palmer to clean up?
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:28am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Napisan?? Surely you jest.
  Baking soda and white vinegar only – none of those nasty …chemicals!
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:19pm
- Fletch
  
  After the successful banning of one thing, the nimbys just look for the next thing, and then the next. They will never be satisfied.
  
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  August 29, 2018 1:06pm
  - Viking2
    
    Wipes are basically indestructible and cause major problems when flushed down the loo. Because they don’t break up the collect fats and then cause blockages in even the sewer mains. No problem if they go to the tip.Apart from the greenflies belly aching.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/12/total-monster-concrete-fatberg-blocks-london-sewage-system
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/fatbergs-a-big-problem-for-nz-s-sewers-watercare.html
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I think we should institute it only for Green and Labour voters.
  
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  August 29, 2018 3:31pm
- cmm
  
  I am very surprised we can still buy bleach and Round Up.
  
  I was expecting Round Up to be gone by December last year.
  
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  August 29, 2018 4:32pm
  - sooty
    
    Better stock up!
    
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    August 29, 2018 5:15pm
EAD_TWO

One-third of Americans think “substantially less” than 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, according to a new survey that highlights a worrying lack of basic knowledge about the World War II-era genocide.

http://www.newsweek.com/one-third-americans-dont-believe-6-million-jews-were-murdered-during-holocaust-883513

Let me correct that for ya…..

One-third of Americans think “substantially less” than 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, according to a new survey that highlights ~~a worrying~~ an encouraging ~~lack of basic knowledge~~ amount of independent research and lack of sway of the the Corporate MSM the World War II-era ~~genocide.~~ workcamps

The “holocaust” storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted.

That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship.

What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Only liars demand censorship.

The “6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers” are scientifically impossible frauds.

https://katana17.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/my-holocaust-problems/

From Global Warming to the “holocaust” to “isn’t mass immigration wonderful” to “John McCain is a hero” to “the Maori were a peaceful and ingenious people until YT came along – it is truly great to see people question the B/S they are constantly fed by the MSM
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August 29, 2018 10:11am
- EAD_TWO
  
  I bet you all the downtickers are thinking: quick – send these deniers on a ~~diversity training course~~ holocaust re-education course because they’re thinking incorrect thoughts and the whole ~~diversity~~ holocaust boondoogle might come to an end.
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/germany-agrees-to-88-million-more-for-holocaust-survivors/
  
  The organization that handles claims on behalf of Jews who suffered under the Nazis says Germany has agreed to pay another 75 million euros ($88 million) to fund social welfare services for Holocaust survivors.
  
  Given da Nazis apparently exterminated all the kids, just how many more survivors can there be left still alive?
  
  Given the average age must therefore be 100+ and therefore dying off, why is Germany upping it’s guilt fund by 20%+ per annum?!?!?!
  
  PS: No I’m not from a European country so you can’t have me arrestes me Jacksie/ Southern Raider/ Stephieboy/ Mcos/ Mandk/ Mikenmild for legitimate lines of enquiry on historical events ?
  
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  August 29, 2018 10:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So have you tested that (what I believe you called harmless) Zyklon (hydrogen cyanide) ‘delousing’ gas on yourself yet?
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:53am
- MCos
  
  How many Americans think more than six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust?
  Only 6% think chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:34pm
DigNap15

I was going to give you another Maori vocab lesson on the word Deduce.
But its not in my Maori dictionary
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August 29, 2018 10:37am
Captain Mainwaring

Why is Bridges the only Polly who’s expenses have been published?
What happened to the others?
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August 29, 2018 10:37am
- Inandout
  
  It is all on the government site.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Labour Party commissioned report on the Sex abuse/Booze fest party has arrived:

Labour Party to review policies after Maria Austen report into summer camp scandal

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115498
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August 29, 2018 10:39am
- Happychappy
  
  Wouldn’t most of what she has avocated for the Labour Party to implement should be what any CEO would know as common sense when dealing with alcohol, underage members and mixed sexes at any summer camp.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:14am
- Rich Prick
  
  You’d think a “no sexual abuse of kids” policy would be a no-brainer. Not so, for the Labour Party it seems.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:30am
  - MCos
    
    . . . . . or the Catholic Church
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:13pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder when the trial will take place.

Labour Party to review policies after Maria Austen report into summer camp scandal

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115498
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August 29, 2018 10:45am
- calendar girl
  
  It’s one week short of two months since the accused appeared in Court and was remanded. How long, indeed, will it take for him to appear for trial?
  
  I trust that nobody will be subjected to any political influence as to the timing of the trial – for example, at a time when there are other happenings or distractions.
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:03pm
  - KevOB
    
    The matter could well be 12+ months hence–a few remands, busy lawyers, Police not ready….
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:15pm
  - artemisia
    
    More likely those ‘happenings and distractions’ aka squirrels will magically appear on day 1 of the trial.
    
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    August 29, 2018 1:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is it not so that the Greens are trying to get the Government to move its banking to KiwiBank ?
    
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    August 29, 2018 2:19pm
  - noskire
    
    He’s in the UK now so will make the trial tricky, and expensive.
    
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    August 29, 2018 9:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Chuck Bird , you must of over looked at her recommndations. From your link,
  
  The Austen report recommendations include:
  
  • To develop a more tangible and effective relationship between Young Labour and the Labour Party
  
  And to review and/or develop policies on:
  
  • The party’s code of conduct – along with consideration as to whether that should apply to the Young Labour Party, or whether a modified or separate code should be developed
  
  • Sexual harassment & sexual assault
  
  • Alcohol
  
  • Events and host responsibility
  
  • Bullying
  
  • Complaint procedures
  
  Austen’s report also identified the need to:
  
  • Incorporate updated event registration and parental consent & risk disclosure information requirements and forms to ensure compliance with current best practice and all legislation relating to the care of minors when participating in party-held events.
  
  • Ensure at least one Labour Party representative should also attend the entire event and be available throughout (solely or jointly with another nominated adult supervisor) to ensure compliance with safety and welfare expectations and the Young Labour Party should also nominate a welfare officer to attend all events.
  
  • Introduce a new, over-arching alcohol policy, formulated in consultation with expert external advice
  
  • Introduce a new open complaints process to enable complaints to be received and responded to without delay and with the appropriate degree of specialist advice.
  
  Appear pretty comprehensive to me and even without your priggish moralising!
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:44pm
  - Nookin
    
    Appear pretty comprehensive to me and even without your priggish moralising!
    
    I am not sure whether Chuck was actually moralising, priggishly or not.
    
    I suspect that if he switched into moralising mode, he might, like 99.999% of every reader of the recommendations, come to the conclusion that labour did nothing right and made a complete and utter hash of the whole thing.
    
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    August 29, 2018 1:36pm
- Paulus
  
  Did we not hear on Lunchtime RNZ That the perp lives in central Auckland – it was quick so I will not put which central suburb it was so as not to denigrate them all incorrectly.
  
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  August 29, 2018 2:22pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Hopefully not near St Albans!
    
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    August 29, 2018 5:45pm
srylands

How can you be going fast enough entering the Terrace Tunnel to total a car and kill someone?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106649741/wellingtons-terrace-tunnel-close-after-truck-and-car-collide-serious-injuries-reported
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August 29, 2018 10:57am
- realityczech
  
  You don’t have to be going very fast. 40kmh is more than enough to destroy the car and kill you.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Slight correction srylands. The crash happened at the exit to the tunnel. Obviously the car was stopped in traffic and the van hit it at about 70 km/h (one would have to wonder what the van driver was focusing on).
  That said, it doesn’t take much to crush a 20 year old Peugeot, but very sad for the deceased and his/her family.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:08am
  - Batman
    
    Quite, a loaded up transit van vs a 20 yr old Peugeot 406 is one heck of a mismatch.
    
    All that paper mache holding the car together had no chance sadly.
    
    Poor person.
    
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    August 29, 2018 2:16pm
Fletch

Meanwhile, in the United States, consumer confidence reaches an 18 year high. Jacinda should be taking lessons from Trump….

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/consumer-confidence-reaches-18-year-high/
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August 29, 2018 11:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , restoring governemnt subsidies for farmers and raising tariffs on imports ?
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:40pm
noskire

HDPA must have finally talked some sense in to Barry Soper – he’s really starting to go feral on the CoL. Barry Soper: Why does this government need plethora of experts?
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August 29, 2018 11:11am
- rangitoto
  
  Taxinda was supposed to be NZ’s version of Trump. What a disappointment she has been.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:42am
  - noskire
    
    Dare I say it, but even Trump has a better hair-stylist than Klarke V2.0.
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    Who said that.
    Trump is right wing pro America and pro business.
    He gets things done himself
    Jacinda is a communist and anti business and pro losers
    She starts working groups
    She is our version of Jeremy Corybn
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:35pm
    - stephieboy
      
      FARTING WITH ATTITUDE,
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-rZv3hI76A
      
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      August 29, 2018 12:37pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        A very constructive post sillyboy, compared with your usual standard.
        
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        August 29, 2018 4:03pm
    - rangitoto
      
      The comparison came from some foreign press who picked up on both Taxinda and Trump being anti immigration. It got up Taxinda’s nose, which was excellent.
      
      ” Meet New Zealand’s Justin Trudeau—except she’s more like Trump on immigrationhttps://t.co/HXs3FfmrWe
      — The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) September 5, 2017″
      
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      August 29, 2018 12:42pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rangitoto, who claimed that?
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:43pm
    - rangitoto
      
      The Wall St journal.
      
      When I read that I thought that maybe I shouldn’t have voted for Bill after all. Unfortunately, the Wall St Journal couldn’t have been more wrong on this one. Taxinda turned out to be a miserable failure.
      
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      August 29, 2018 1:09pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Has anyone done an audit or stocktake of exactly who all their ‘experts’ are and whence they have come from?
  There do seem to be a lot of them and the Labour Party does have dreams (or delusions) of making some immense societal and economic changes under their stewardship…
  Be interesting to see what they plan to do with all the advice from their chosen consultants.
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:54am
  - KevOB
    
    How can an ideologue evaluate advice which is outside its internal frame of reference?
    The consults are a PR stunt to be seen to be spreading the good feelings. Those chosen are expected to perform to order or be quietly excused.
    
    A real waste of public money.
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:11pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Have to justify the brave new ‘post capitalist’ direction somehow!
      
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      August 29, 2018 12:23pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Soper’s journalism appears to be influenced more by his secret source and drinking buddy WP, than by HdPA
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:24pm
- Piniwi
  
  But noskire it seems it has only half taken with this short gripper as he can’t not get past the first sentence before he reverts to his old ways. Seems he likes Lux on since he is ex Unilever? Guess he will be familiar with soft soap then.
  
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  August 29, 2018 6:11pm
Suze Wainwright

Believe it or not, the NZ First Party does have some associations with millennials
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August 29, 2018 11:50am
- noskire
  
  Which millennium?
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:52am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    The one that is ‘adept’ at writing texts and utilising social media…
    
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    August 29, 2018 11:54am
cmm

Business confidence down, but no worries…

Gang confidence is up!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114101

“Gang researcher and sociologist Dr Jarrod Gilbert said there had been a “remarkable” resurgence in the number of gangsters in New Zealand, which in turn had led to an increase in crime.”

Nothing remarkable at all. People respond to incentives. Joining a gang, and criminal activity, is a better deal than it was a year ago.

The current government has indicated that penalties for criminal activity are going to reduce, so the disincentives are going away.

On top of that, business uncertainty is going to hamper jobs. Gangs look more secure and attractive. Win/win to join the gangs!
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August 29, 2018 12:27pm
- Longknives
  
  I haven’t heard a peep from National on Labour’s plans to unleash every Rapist,Murderer and Paedophile on the New Zealand Public..
  
  If I was National Party leader I’d be raising hell about this..(Rather than shooting yourself in the foot over the Chelsea Manning thing)
  The whole Party just seem to be sleepwalking…
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:33pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Maybe Winnie has said no.
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:44pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    And to lock that in, Little wants to give prisoners the right to vote.
    
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    August 29, 2018 12:59pm
- DigNap15
  
  Gang confidence is also up, because more are being sent back from Australia
  And many are losing forwards to early release via Andrew Little
  
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  August 29, 2018 12:37pm
  - Viking2
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106615489/we-wont-live-in-fear-vow-townsfolk-as-gang-heavies-te-kuiti
    
    A resurgence in gang activity in a King Country town has left residents fearful with reports of standover tactics and extortion.
    
    Some Te Kuiti residents say gang members have been demanding cash from certain businesses and people, and in some instances threatening families unless they pay up.
    
    Police have confirmed activity linked to the Mongrel Mob has ramped up in the last four weeks after a former member returned from Australia and settled in the town.
    
    And what about all the shootings? Imports muscling the locals?
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:29pm
stephieboy

Longknives,

“I haven’t heard a peep from National on Labour’s plans to unleash every Rapist,Murderer and Paedophile on the New Zealand Public..”

But they’re not any!
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August 29, 2018 12:38pm
- Longknives
  
  ??
  
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  August 29, 2018 1:25pm
cas

I was really really angry last night after first john Campbell then Patrick Gower went on and on about the families and the re-entry of Pike river. ( And how amazing to have the TV and Patrick there just as Bernie Monk decided to go in). There was a very cogent letter from a parent of one killed in Pike river in a recent Listener who didn’t want re-entry or the bodies discovered/retrieved etc and she sounded like she was not alone. So does this counter point of view get conveyed. Not on your nelly.

And while the Govt is splashing millions of dollars on Pike River what about justice for those who dies in the Canterbury earthquake. Or has the Govt forgotten them???
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August 29, 2018 12:50pm
- realityczech
  
  Campbell droned on about how emotional walking a few meters into the entrance was for Bernie. Bernie meanwhile expressed surprise at how unemotional he felt.
  
  Reported a few lines apart in the Labour promo piece issued by the fake news media. The editors must have been in a big rush to get it out.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:34pm
DigNap15

Yes leave the men there.
They died together and make it a fitting memorial to them.
Just make sure any future mines are safer.
Stop wasting our money Bernie!
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August 29, 2018 2:06pm
- Paulus
  
  What makes anybody think that they will get to the rockfall as that is where any ashes will be behind.
  Sad, but what a waste of money – local schools would be a more fitting memorial to these men.
  
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  August 29, 2018 2:27pm
noskire

More lazy/fake news from Stuff.

Burger King barred from hiring migrant workers for a year.

Desai was paid a salary to work 90 hours a week.

A previous story in The Herald stated that the complainant was contracted to work 90 hours per FORTNIGHT.
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August 29, 2018 2:20pm
- noskire
  
  I posted a comment under the article that it was factually incorrect. My comment wasn’t published, but the article has now changed.
  
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  August 29, 2018 9:05pm
rangitoto

So it turns out that it was the Chinese and not the Russians who hacked Hillary’s emails.
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August 29, 2018 3:24pm
Jack5

Another one coming up for probation with golf lessons?

Michael Abou Chaaya, 26, who drove into Auckland high school kids, remanded on six charges of dangerous driving causing injury.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115385
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August 29, 2018 3:48pm
MCos

An article about the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar from the Economist

‘Yesterday the UN human-rights council issued a report condemning Myanmar’s army for violence against the country’s Muslim Rohingya population in Rakhine state. It asserts that there is enough evidence to indict army commanders for genocide. Now the UN Security Council must decide whether to refer the case to the International Criminal Court and adopt sanctions against six named commanders. But China could well block any such referral’

https://click.e.economist.com/?qs=1809279a59646803015418ce17d1a7fa5814c1f98b574d90b21a7352f153df92ac213e6cc77b263ddb40119247b173eed541ce5f613143be
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August 29, 2018 4:20pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’d give the generals a medal.
  Ethnic cleansing without the genocide
  Seems a win win to me
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:27pm
  - realityczech
    
    I feel the same way about the Nazi generals in that other genocide people deny.
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:30pm
Jack5

Violent chaos in German city of Chemnitz:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/chemnitz-right-wing-riots-enter-second-day-a-1225321.html
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August 29, 2018 5:45pm
- nasska
  
  It would seem that a rowdy group of football hooligans are going to accomplish what voters’ pleas to rotten politicians won’t.
  
  If this challenge to the ruling class isn’t the flashpoint then maybe the next one will be.
  
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  August 29, 2018 5:59pm
- realityczech
  
  Jacksie, Lovely people in Chemnitz. I found them remarkably hospitable.
  
  Great to see you finally supporting the right of Germans to protect their culture from religious immigrants. They have had trouble like this before you know.
  
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  August 29, 2018 6:55pm
  - nasska
    
    Even the faceless bureaucrats of Brussels must get a little twitchy when they see protests like this.
    
    By imposing or endorsing ever more drastic crack downs on freedom of speech they have silenced the law abiding middle class. Missing from their calculations was the disaffected yobbo class with nothing to lose & being no strangers to street violence.
    
    If it gets out of hand then the European Union is gone & its supporters could be decorations hanging on lampposts.
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:08pm
  - DigNap15
    
    The snag is its only a small protest in one town.
    they need mass protests all over Germany.
    
    And Merkel needs to be shot as she is defending the murderer! and all the rest of the scum
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:29pm
    - realityczech
      
      “The snag is its only a small protest in one town.
      they need mass protests all over Germany.”
      
      They tried that in the 1930’s and wankers are still banging on about it. Apparently a few shop windows were broken, so it was quite full on.
      
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      August 29, 2018 7:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Poor Chemnitz, ruined in three big Allied bombing raids in Febuary and March 1945 , the damage so heavy that Audi, the car maker, moved its headquarters from there to Bavaria. It would have been encouraged by the approach of the Red Army.
        
        The bombers were attracted by a nearby oil refinery. Two of the raids were by the RAF, and each of those comprised about 700 bombers.
        
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        August 29, 2018 11:59pm
Fletch

Labour refuse to release report into camp abuser…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/labour-refuses-to-release-youth-camp-report.html
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August 29, 2018 6:41pm
- Longknives
  
  She bloody knew!
  
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  August 29, 2018 6:50pm
  - sooty
    
    She was there!
    
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    August 29, 2018 6:57pm
- realityczech
  
  I will have to assume the report is actually the pornographic memoirs of the offender and the attempts by the Party and Police to hide their offending and silence their victims.
  
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  August 29, 2018 6:59pm
- simpleton1
  
  Whose money paid for the report?
  Surely the payers should have full and open transparency for what they pay for.
  
  Official information act would bring much more out, even if only some parts were redacted that would relate to the court case.
  
  Then must be fully opened up after the court case.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:02pm
  - realityczech
    
    The report may be used by the defense to demonstrate the “culture” of the camps to mitigate the offending. It is very possible that is why the report was written.
    
    This sex offender has very good connections on the left for that to happen. He is not some random guy.
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You seem to be labouring (?) under the misapprehension that the official information act applies to political parties. It does not. It doesn’t not even apply to parliament, just to ministers and executive agencies.
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      milky, we know you will try and cover up the sex attacks against the children. But as an insider – can you please just tell us how the little boy recovering?
      
      Our thoughts are with the survivors.
      
      #Kia kaha little tamariki !
      
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      August 29, 2018 7:28pm
      - nasska
        
        Only children yet the Labour Party robbed them of their innocence!
        
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        August 29, 2018 7:31pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mike:
      
      You seem to be labouring (?) under the misapprehension
      
      I see what you did there – nice pun!
      
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      August 29, 2018 8:05pm
  - KevOB
    
    I believe the report was commissioned by the the Labour Party not the Parliamentary team. That puts it outside prying eyes.
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:55pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yep. Rather a lot of this has been dealt with behind closed doors. The Police also allowed a secret internal investigation by the offenders before doing anything.
      
      There needs to be a commission of inquiry into the cover up and the commission of inquiry needs to properly investigate the actions of the Police in protecting the guilty.
      
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      August 29, 2018 8:07pm
- realityczech
  
  The cover story run by their media people, in the link, claims it was a report on Labour Youth Camp culture. It does admit to 4 kiddies having been attacked. Multiple genders were subjected to sexual violence. They claim it was a “man”. They don’t say if he identifies as a man, or is trans.
  
  The NZ Police, the media, and the Labour Party did all they could to shut this down. All 3 have lost my respect. Forever.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:09pm
Inandout

So I spoke with a supermarket checkout lady today and we discussed the reusable bag scenario. She recounted the numerous times filthy and vermin infested bags she was required to pack were presented, and the size of the cockroach embedded in one of them. I seriously suggested she approach her union (probably one of Angry’s lot) and demand gloves or some kind of filth money to compensate the health risk. If the operator catches a disease who is at fault, and I suspect this is a Work Safe issue? This is another one of the CoL’s unintended consequences.
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August 29, 2018 6:56pm
- simpleton1
  
  Good point I&O
  
  Can you even trust the shop counter will now be clean enough for when your own groceries go through.
  
  Insist that a wash down, then sanitizing is done before you place your groceries on the count out conveyor and also the bench where the packer is.
  
  No one knows where those other peoples bags have been! or what other things have been carried in them. I do not want my groceries sliding around on other’s muck. 🙂
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:14pm
  - nasska
    
    Do others get depressed when they read “Plastic bags will outlive us all” & “Baby on board” stickers on the rear window of some clapped out Volvo….
    
    …..and realise that the virtue signalling retards have managed to breed! 🙂
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I always enjoy reading some good quality concern trolling on Kiwiblog.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:18pm
  - nasska
    
    For some of us, myself included, it makes daily visits worthwhile Mike. 🙂
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:26pm
- KevOB
  
  This is a serious employment and public health issue.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:52pm
EAD_TWO

Ben Garrison’s latest cartoon on Mad Dog, John Songbird McCain is an absolute classic:

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/mccain_mad_bomber_ben_garrison.jpg?itok=2Oebt1IT

Even has the Forrestall fire in there❗
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August 29, 2018 7:01pm
- realityczech
  
  He was a hard core zionist who wanted endless genocide and destruction rained on those hated by Jewish extremists. He worked tirelessly to have the Persians exterminated to please his Jewish masters.
  
  American foreign policy is written by Jews for Jews.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:20pm
- realityczech
  
  I am enjoying the holocaust denial that has arisen on KB recently. Some admit it is happening, but that they deserve it because the locals don’t like them, or it is consequences.
  
  Not the view of the eye witnesses and the UN. But you can’t trust those sorts of enquiries. Look at the lies told in Nuremburg for example.
  
  I am not going to report this holocaust denial of course. But I will be adopting the new standard of KB.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:38pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kea is all for equal opportunity hatred.
    
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    August 29, 2018 7:48pm
    - realityczech
      
      No I am all for equal treatment. I also do support religious wars – on behalf of anyone.
      
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      August 29, 2018 7:57pm
fernglas

Very strange, this family in Bali whose insurance has turned them down flat. Either they had no insurance, or she failed to disclose a pre-existing condition. A spontaneous twisted bowel is not a pre-existing condition so if what they are saying is true, the insurance should be paying. Why are they so coy with naming the company or giving details of why cover has been refused? If you want people to give a little, they should at least be entitled to know the full story.
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August 29, 2018 7:16pm
- realityczech
  
  Funny how it is always a woman in these stories.
  
  I am very suspicious about this story. Even our corrupt virtue signalling government has wiped their hand of her.
  
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  August 29, 2018 7:22pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Hasn`t stopped Cindy from virtue signalling tho`,
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115780
    
    Insurance co needs to step up apparently, so fucking easy to say when you are addicted to giving away other peoples money.
    Be nice if these labour twats could just STFU for once.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:43pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yes she says that to the media, but demands one of her minions deny assistance, behind closed doors.
      
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      August 29, 2018 9:58pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes for some reason the Insurance Company stepped down.
      So why should they step up on Jacinda’s wave?
      
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      August 30, 2018 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  An older story refers to a pre-existing condition… but the folks are arguing that the septicemia she caught after her operation has been responsible for her current condition.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/106162542/hamilton-woman-seriously-ill-in-bali-as-insurance-declines-cover
  
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  August 29, 2018 8:02pm
  - realityczech
    
    From the comments in your linked article:
    
    “The story was updated and the reason for the declined claim (pre-existing condition) added after the donations started rolling in.”
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:13pm
  - fernglas
    
    Given that the septicaemia is a direct consequence of treatment of the pre-existing condition and thus “indirectly related” to it, (from the Southern X travel policy), assuming the wording is the same, it seems the insurance company is in the right. So is the government, because the minute they start paying for people’s travel illness, no-one will bother insuring. That said, it hasn’t stopped them coughing over for uninsured Christchurch earthquake victims, or for Edgcumbe residents without contents insurance. The latter was the EQC.
    
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    August 29, 2018 8:16pm
Ross12

Really interesting discussion on the NAFTA negotiations, the recent USA/Mexico deal and how Canada has been put “in a corner”
(NB. It is 2 Canadians discussing it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1368&v=a76Bvdlg_Rc
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