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duggledog

Activist Government continues destroying wealth and wealth creators for the sake of 10% of NZers, business can see it, Jacinda’s soothing words & concerned looks with a head tilt won’t help today.

Wonder why?

Honest, hard working people who have toiled to own one or two rentals are about to get royally screwed by the Queen and her knights.

70% of landlords have just the one rental and many are retired, counting on the income for retirement because Kiwisaver came too late.

But half-wit Twyford says Tough Tits.

Call it a dividend from the senior citizen’s friend, who enabled this, Winston Peters

Unintended consequences:

Good kiwi landlords will now sell while the price is still high, and ruthless immigrants, who are only here for the beer, will purchase these properties. Sucked in tenants!

Plus, the urban set with large mortgages will see their equity decrease as the market floods with rentals.

Intended consequences:

Government buys rental stock, hey presto, what housing crisis.
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August 28, 2018 8:01am
- JibberJabber
  
  It`s so simple even Barely Sober gets it,
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114525
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Almost. Minimum notice for a landlord to terminate a periodic tenancy is 90 day, 42 days if the property is required for a family member.
    
    I think Twatford cites the same incorrect information as BS.
    
    Rule #1 with tenants: don’t let them redecorate.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:12am
- Chris R
  
  The irony of the morning is that tenants are demanding the right to keep pets in their rental homes, while elsewhere in what passes for a media, a town in Southland is being lauded for its efforts to do away with property owners’ rights to keep cats as pets! Figure that out!
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I charge $40.00 a week for a dog as they invariably destroy the garden amongst other stuff, and $20.00 a week for a cat; birds and goldfish are foc – who says landlords aren’t understanding, I just want recompense for things that I have to rectify and refurbish once the tenant has gone and before a new tenant moves in.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:18am
    - Chris R
      
      Fair enough Gnome: If I wanted to move in how much would you charge me to keep Twyford as a pet? He’d certainly wreck your neighbourhood, irritate other tenants and turn up with undesirable friends and associates.
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:21am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        We would split his parliamentary salary, not his worth as I would be behind the 8 ball with the $40.00.
        
        We would be able to use that classic line; ‘bring out the gimp’!
        
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        August 28, 2018 8:31am
      - softail 1450
        
        Chris R , no charges for Twitford,he’s as useless as a goldfish and come to think of it does resemble one when his mouth is flapping…..
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:06am
  - waikatogirl
    
    So what happens when the puppy craps and wees all over the carpet. You can’t get the smell out. Does the tenant pay for replacing the carpet?
    
    When talking about rentals owned by private landlords, why have Cindy and Twitford been referring to the tenants as “our tenants”?
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:21am
    - cmm
      
      Well since feral don’t even pay when they burn down the kitchen, I can make a good guess about the puppy.
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:34am
    - igm
      
      What happens when a dog spews out a gutsful of freshly chewed grass on a nice woolen carpet?
      No bloody way would I ever entertain domestic rental properties again . . . we had a few problems under a decent government; like many, got a gutsful and went to commercial where we get decent lessees, who even pay their rents without prompting, pay rates, insurance. and maintain the properties.
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:38am
      - Soletrader
        
        A 3 yr old 4 Beddie in the Tron which is victim to the wily HCC 10 year plan to bleed landlords pockets dry, may see out this years agreements then form a deposit for a small commercial.
        The only disadvantage will be the penalties for breaking the mortgage…..
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:01am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Another option to buying a small commercial is syndicated property or shares in a property company like Property for Industry or Precinct Property. I have both.
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:12am
- godruelf
  
  Just wondering with the proposed ban on “rent auctions” if new rental adverts will come out with the rent advertised as a figure of the market rent + say $150 but “Negotiable”.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:24am
- kevn
  
  Virtue signals and buzzwords aplenty…
  No questions from the audience apart from Sir Rob (who?). Clearly the engagement just wasn’t there in the room.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:53am
  - Colinxy
    
    After the PM’s carte blanche move in closing down businesses (Oil and Gas), I doubt any business wants to be noticed in case she delivers another dictatorial response.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:45am
- Harkman
  
  Anyone notice how Twyford has an ability to make his suits look cheap? If his goal is for the state to own every house in NZ then he is well on his way. He is Labour’s version of Nick Smith only twice as bad.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:55am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    As a poker player I have noticed that Twyford has a tell. He angles his head slightly to the right whenever he is talking bullshit.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:29am
    - dave_c_
      
      Indeed – great observation Nigel – Cindy seems to have a 90 degree head bend every time I see her.
      
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      August 28, 2018 11:06am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        People have different tells. Probably Jacinda has one, but it’s hard to determine when she so rarely says anything that is even capable of being definitely true or false. It’s all feelings and platitudes.
        
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        August 28, 2018 12:27pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I foolishly thought the tell was when his lips moved, or is that just when he is lying?
      
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      August 28, 2018 1:02pm
- simpleton1
  
  Government will pressure the voted in “luvvies” in City, Regional, and District Councils that it will become their responsibility for homeless, poor housing, over crowding etc… that they will have to build houses, apartments etc.,and then comply with all these new tenancy laws and so should be the shining example of being landlords.
  
  It will be pointed out that in the name of sustainability, environment, making diversity and essential of vibrancy, vitality of living life styles.
  That alone would be a great return on rate payers input.
  Most likely all water, gas, 🙂 , electricity will be at cost, and free as the children are thought of, as the rent will be only charged at a nice formulated rate.
  Rate payers can help with the redecoration and maintenance etc.. and cover the costs of increased borrowings.
  That is how this government will work in its perceived job of redistribution.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:09am
- Ultima
  
  Watch the massive rent increases because renters has been subsidised by owners, Rental income is relatively low compare to cost of capital, but thats going to change under this govt. Next headlines will be rent rise shocks.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:13am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Only if you can suck the government into massively increasing the rent subsidies. I suspect landlords who bought in recently or are highly geared will be doing it tough. Rents ARE too low in comparison with the capital value. Not because landlords are such nice guys, but because they haven’t had to make a return on the rent in recent years, capital gain is better. But it can’t go on forever, and when the bubble bursts don’t imagine you can double the rent to keep afloat!
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:30am
- DJ Ward
  
  “Activist Government continues destroying wealth and wealth creators for the sake of 10% of NZers.”
  
  Q: How does a landlord create wealth?
  A: They don’t. There is no commodity creation.
  
  Q: How is landlords wealth destroyed?
  A: It is not destroyed. If the value rises they have the same house. If the value falls it is still the same house.
  
  Q: Is such policies for just 10%.
  A: NZs non home ownership rate is far higher than 10%.
  
  “Honest, hard working people who have toiled to own one or two rentals are about to get royally screwed by the Queen and her knights.”
  
  What about the honest hard working kiwis who can’t afford to buy a home due to exorbitant rents stopping them creating a deposit, and the ridiculously high house prices created by them dominating the market. For personal financial gain.
  
  Renters have, and are being screwed right now. Sad thing is its taxpayers money that often pays the rent. Duggledog will be complaining about the high taxes that never get paid on his rentals profits next.
  
  Pay tax, pays someone’s rent, landlord gets rich, demand for rentals rises, house prices rise, increase rent, introduce more income support to support rent, more tax, landlord gets richer.
  
  How sad. This parasitic, wealth destroying, society harming fantasy is under attack.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:19am
  - realityczech
    
    DJ stop triggering the greedy moral cripples with your insightful observations.
    
    The fools think the current housing market is a good thing.
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:26pm
- Notsofast
  
  Not a bad idea buying rental stock. Government pays $1000 a week with permanent leases for tiny 2 bedroom motel units. In places like TeAwamutu. They will lease 3 in each block, a cash cow for the motel owners.
  This is 3 to 4 times market rate, but it is other peoples’ money so nothing to see.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:26am
  - DJ Ward
    
    So your saying landlords are socialist predators.
    All good to the money runs out then.
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:31pm
Inandout

‘PADDY GOES IN’, featuring only on TV3 at 6pm, with all the tears of a Paul Holmes drama, and a drone.
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August 28, 2018 8:02am
- Chris R
  
  Paddy will be lamenting that he didn’t go into the mine a few weeks ago and stayed there in hiding to avoid the smart Canadians who smashed his inept abilities as an interviewer. What a loser! What a self-opinionated jerk!
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:18am
  - lifesgood
    
    I caught a clip of him on The Project last night laying into Phil Gifford. It was vomitous, especially his smug turn to the camera with an “aren’t I clever” expression. For such an unfortunate looking person you do have to wonder about his narcissism. Anyway, I don’t think making an enemy of Phil is a good idea.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:29am
    - Crisplion
      
      In an act of masochism I just watched that Project clip. I didn’t even entirely disagree with what Gower was arguing but he still made me want to puke.
      
      I hope Jordan Peterson comes to NZ and gets interviewed by Paddy, just so I can enjoy watching Peterson eviscerate him. Paddy’s probably just about arrogant and stupid enough to think that he can succeed where Cathy Newman failed.
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:03am
      - David George
        
        Dr Peterson is due here in February, I suspect he will be easily able to fill at least two venues.
        I don’t think even Paddy Gower, dripping wet ideologue that he is, is that dumb he’d be willing to take on the Jordan. The trouble with a lot of these news media types is they’re not nearly as smart as they think they are – regurgitating Marxist falsehoods does not a genius make.
        
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        August 28, 2018 12:03pm
  - Chris2
    
    Good to read that the organisers of the Canadian’s speaking visit in Australia have refused to pay the $68,000 bill the Victoria Police sent them for being on hand to prevent the event from being disrupted by protestors.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:41am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Thanks for the warning.
  I’ll be washing my hair.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:06am
Longknives

Excellent piece from Soper this morning on Labour’s Demonising of Landlords-

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114525

Labours changes to Rental Law properties are dreadful news for Landlords.
I have a family member who is working overseas and was thinking of renting his family home- He is now considering just leaving it empty as Labour appear to be about to give free licence to Tenants to unleash hell on properties…(And trust me they will!)
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August 28, 2018 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  So long as he tells his insurer, which may ask that the house is regularly checked for damage.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:07am
- Longknives
  
  Well said Duggledog! I hadn’t even thought about older folk who rely on their Rental for income during their Retirement- I had a Landlord at University who was a lovely old bloke. He looked after us and we kept his place clean and tidy.
  People like that will be forced to sell now.
  To the same ruthless big companies Labour hate…
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:08am
  - Harkman
    
    You got to love the mushy piece from One last night using one student as a generalisation of all landlords. This will cause the chaos of lots houses on Air B&B that are owned for capital gain, that are empty for most of the year and not rented out. Who would rent out a house under these policies, open ended policies just ridiculous.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:02am
- Paulus
  
  Thought I heard that there are currently some 30,000 empty houses in greater Auckland.
  That will increase surely.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:32am
- KevOB
  
  Landlords have left properties empty before.
  Return to the 1950’s when letting was controlled and hidden key money got many a tenancy.
  
  Next compulsory acquisition of all housing stock unlet for 120 days to boost Kiwibuild numbers.
  
  Standby for the latest economic announcement from the Kremlin Fishnchip Shop Advisory Service.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:47am
- Than
  
  Yep. I remember reading a discussion on The Standard a while back about the percentage of rentals being left empty (can’t remember if the discussion followed a post on the subject, or was started in Open Mic). Most commenters there placed the blame for empty rentals on speculators buying properties for the capital gain.
  
  But the problem with that theory is it doesn’t explain why the property would be left empty. Even if capital gain is the main goal, why settle for only capital gain when you can get capital gain + rent? It would be just leaving money on the table.
  
  The answer of course is simple – the risk of damage to the property, and the inconvenience caused by landlord obligations to renters. If you pass more and more laws making it more difficult to kick out tenants, more are more property owners will decide the additional money from rent is not worth it. But the far-left don’t like to admit these consequences of their precious “renters rights” laws, so they stick their head in the sand and blame speculators.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:18am
  - tf78
    
    I wonder how many tenants H1 has. Interesting how not many Labour MP’s own more than one property – they must be very, very bad at budgeting/saving or have no foresight what so ever.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:08am
    - starboard
      
      Curran has 4 properties..capitalist tart. I think klarcula has 6 from memory.
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:56pm
  - KevOB
    
    In commercial situations where valuation is affected by rent having a property let at a lower rental can be very adverse. This is less relevant to domestic rentals but rental capacity may be significant.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:14am
  - Piniwi
    
    Also Than there is that other problem that can be devastating on property values and that is the type of tenants looking so hard for a rental. A well placed house in the right location could see it’s value improvement paired back with the wrong tenants with 10 kids , two dogs and latent desire to be an “interior” decorator. Too much of that and the neighborhood would be full of ferals of one breed or other.
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:42pm
secondcumming

They’ve been playing a promo for the Hoskings Breakfast show on ZB. Let me just say that if I hear Soiman say one more time, “I’m sorry Moike, I have no idea who the leaker is” – I’ll f**ing scream!
And that goes for everyone else in parliament.

Even my mother in-law knows FCS!!
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August 28, 2018 8:07am
- lifesgood
  
  A lot of people say they know but nobody is prepared to name him/ her. Why? It means they only think they know who because if it is true you can’t be sued for libel.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Cinderella on RNZ last evening said she had nothing to do with Mallard cancelling the enquiry.
    I could see and hear her lying through the wires.
    Of course she like H Clark could never lie they both said so – so there.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:35am
    - hullkiwi
      
      She repeated her lies on RNZ This morning. The best one was that Mallard had already made up his mind to can the enquiry before she spoke to him on Friday. This was supposedly after not having received any further information from the leaker or the police subsequent to confirming the enquiry on Thursday.
      
      With Jacinda’s track record of lying, is it any wonder politicians are held in poor regard by the public?
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:48am
      - RF
        
        Sorry….. I know it’s an old one but still very applicable for our PM.
        
        How do you know when Ardern is lying ? –
        
        Her lips are moving !!!!!!!
        
        I will get my hat…
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:27am
- pdm
  
  sc – please post MIL’s phone number so I can give her a ring because I haven’t seen or heard a whisper about who it is.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:17am
  - sooty
    
    Can she tell us the sex camp pervert as well?
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Tova knows – she got the original text to Mallard and Bridges I now understand – although it is now said that whatever media group employs her that they received it.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:37am
Huevon

Jacinda’s whole Pollyanna act is becoming very tiresome. She was hopeless on Radio NZ this morning. Flailing about, evading questions and minimising her mistakes and Curran’s behaviour. All you can hear is that goofy grin through her responses, as if her smiles and “positivity” make up for her incompetence. Loads of “utterly” and “absolutely”. Worst Prime Minister in living memory.

To her credit, Suzy Ferguson wasn’t letting up. And this was Red Radio. Have the media finally woken up?
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August 28, 2018 8:07am
- Longknives
  
  Jacinda can’t do her patented ‘Frowny-Sad face’ or her ‘Jesus Christ Pose’ on Radio either…
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    True, but you can hear it.
    
    Interestingly, Adhern says Mallard spoke to both her and Bridges on Friday before announcing the calling off of the official enquiry into the leaker. I am picking he spoke to Adhern first and got the word to stop the investigation there.
    
    Mike Bush; step up and give us a Gayford moment.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:23am
    - sooty
      
      Yer, come on Mike. I just know you are chomping at the bit to burst into print!
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:32am
    - Prince
      
      Mallard spoke to Bridges first and they agreed to go ahead with the enquiry. He then spoke to Ardern and subsequently announced the enquiry was canned.
      Fill in the blanks.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:19am
    - hullkiwi
      
      So all we need is excessive gossip in Wellington’s beltway…and by the time it reaches Pt Chev we’ll have to believe it is true.
      
      Interesting point from Jacinda was that, she didn’t know Bridges expenses. Amazing given at the time we were told that Mallard as Speaker and Peters as acting PM had them.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:26am
      - marcw
        
        That’s why to me the most credible source of the travel expenses leak is ex-journalist now NZF list MP, Jenny Marcroft to O’Brien. Evidence is Winston’s crowing and deflections – and why the princess insisted the inquiry be dumped else the coalition is laughing stock.
        
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        August 28, 2018 10:01am
      - hullkiwi
        
        @marcw that was my thought s entirely.
        In my opinion, five things point to the leak being as you suggested:
        Peters received the information;
        Marcroft has had form of doing the dirty work of her senior colleagues when leant on;
        Marcroft showed a degree of being unstable when she tried to lean on Mitchell and the aftermath;
        Marcroft was ham fisted in the Mitchell episode and this has been ham fisted by the leaker;
        Marcroft is an ex-journo with the contacts and she knows how leaks are managed;
        I was of the view if it was not a Nat, there had to be at least two people involved, the source (Peters or Mallard) and the leaker who could keep the source at arms distance. If it is Marcroft as we are of the opinion, then she can’t get caught lying to the House as she is not a Minister, and doesn’t face questions in the House; and
        Finally, Peters’ crowing on Friday, was excessive and hypocritical, suggesting he knew more than he should have done – almost suggesting involvement.
        
        They are my opinions and I’ve not spoken with anyone about them.
        
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        August 28, 2018 11:56am
  - RF
    
    Longknives…
    
    That’s it…. “Jesus Christ Pose”
    
    The second coming. I knew I had seen that “look” before.
    
    Notice how the media photos and cartoons do not show her huge pearly whites anymore…
    
    not good form old chap…..
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:06am
    - sooty
      
      What about the pose of “I just plucked it out of my arse”.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:25am
  - VicParking
    
    “Can I have a mic for Neve so the public can hear her suckling”
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:19am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  You seem to forget that journalism is basically all about holding power to account. So all politcians generally fear the news media.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    That is because most of them do not understand their subject matter, for example Jacinda and economics and business matters. So instead they mouth platitudes for as long as possible. When the platitudes finally wear thin and the politicians spin masters can’t control the interview, the politicians avoid the interviewer/programme. This happened in the UK with Tony Blair. Blair would not appear on TV against Jeremy Paxman and he wouldn’t go on Radio 4’s Today Programme.
    
    So the question begs, how long will it be before Jacinda gives up on Hosking and Morning Report?
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Well, no politician is gonig to be afraid of Hosking, because he is so ill-informed and ill-prepared. but I agree it would be a damaging sign for the government if the PM ceased to give interviews to particular outlets. The politcial calculation, however, would be that the voters don’t care, which is true.
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:50am
      - softail 1450
        
        M M A , “gonig”. sounds a bit racist MMA or is it that Swedish supercar makers name ?
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:15am
      - Psycho Milt
        
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        …I agree it would be a damaging sign for the government if the PM ceased to give interviews to particular outlets.
        
        I don’t believe so. Key spent years avoiding talking to journalists and instead sticking to bonehead commercial radio DJs who asked him about important issues like whether he pissed in the shower or which celebs he’d like to fuck. Didn’t noticeably damage his government any.
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:21am
      - hullkiwi
        
        PM, so you never listened to morning radio prior to 2017? Key, like English and Ardern had regular slots with Hosking and Morning Report.
        
        You are just like ztev, can’t restrain your bias at any opportunity. Key is gone, so 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 – pony tail….happy?
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:31am
      - GazzaW
        
        I’m not sure whether you would classify Leighton Smith or Larry Williams as boneheads. He did a one hour interview and talkback session with Smith on a monthly basis. I will give you that he did reduce John Campbell to bonehead status on a couple of occasions.
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:39am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Milt – do you think Ardern is a good Prime Minister?
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:48am
  - tf78
    
    When was that then Milky.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:14am
- lifesgood
  
  “Have the media finally woken up?”
  We can only hope. Of course the media were the architects of this mess.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:17am
  - dave_c_
    
    Lifesgood- They are incapable of waking up – their ideological viewpoint prevents that.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:47am
  - Nermal
    
    How could we tell?
    
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    August 28, 2018 3:05pm
- Philview
  
  Interesting how uncomfortable she sounds when it isn’t a smiling photo-op with a baby or a 100% prepared script.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:39am
- Paulus
  
  She is in Tauranga tomorrow talking to children who have no votes yet – must be hopeful.
  One is hundreds of College children.
  The other meeting is a special young Maori Hui with all bells and whistle with children from all very the place to scream at her wonders.
  Wonder where bubba is in all this ?
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:40am
  - Inandout
    
    Bubba will be in a germ free bubble I would imagine.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:55am
  - RF
    
    Paulus.
    
    I hear she is off to the islands next week with another sack full of cash.
    
    Is her father still a chief up there ?
    
    When the royal Bub grows up she will have a shit load of airpoints.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:12am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Does one get air-points on the grey line 757?
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:25am
    - softail 1450
      
      RF, I’d seriously doubt the miracle child will be going on airforce 1, it’s very bad for infants ears etc to travel at such a young age and apparently quite painful as well ,of course baby will have to go to her UN meeting later in the year as that bubba is all the Gayford’s have to offer ,,,,
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:36am
  - dave_c_
    
    Paulus – no doubt after the Tauranga talkfest, there will be anouncements of 12 further working parties engaged to rubber stamp cindies burgeoning list of policy to be rolled out.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:50am
    - tf78
      
      I heard Grant Robertson talking to Mike Yardley last evening assuring him there was only 38 working groups and National had made the other 90 odd groups up. Seems our finance minister can’t count.
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:18am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Robertson not being able to count? Joyce can, and did!
        
        What can’t be counted (on)?
        
        Labour
        
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        August 28, 2018 1:08pm
      - Paulus
        
        A few weeks ago I had a list that had been prepared which showed 127 conversations.
        It has gone up again since.
        As it covers four pages I will nor reproduce it here.
        
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        August 28, 2018 1:42pm
  - fatman43us
    
    Better than this morning at a “Business Breakfast” with the great and commercially stupid. Never offers a breakfast to the plumber, the taxi owner, the landlord, the pub owner, nor indeed any small business owner who is so incensed at this Government they could spit. Keep it up Jonquil, keep telling us how you know business is delighted with your Socialist tripe. They will give you the message eventually!
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:35pm
- Chris2
  
  Man, I just listened to this interview on the RNZ website and Ardern really is out of her depth, she came across as a giggling (and there was a lot of that) teenager trying to be in the adult world. It’s really quite embarrassing.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:08am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah, lightweight. Good at saying nothing with lots of emphatic intenisfiers, but has no intellectual depth or ability to think on her feet.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:14am
JibberJabber

Why is it that the legal fraternity can`t get their collective head around the fact that there are no deterrents to committing crime?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114534

Can this activist judge present evidence that his soft sentences reduce recidivism?
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August 28, 2018 8:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  Guess who’s son he is!
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    Would he be Geofferys son.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:41am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Indeed he is.
      
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      August 28, 2018 1:42pm
      - RF
        
        Dear God.
        
        We are in trouble…..
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:03pm
- flipper
  
  No. But the obligation is upon the Crown and those who would spend zillions on incarceration. Best to exile the bad bastards to McQuarrie island.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I doubt that prison sentences deter criminals that much. Especially when we wait until people are hardened criminals before sending them to prison for the first time.
  
  Prison is mainly for keeping the public safe and the evidence is overwhelming that there is a much lower risk of being raped or murdered by someone who is locked up in prison than by someone who is let out into the community.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:52am
  - softail 1450
    
    N K, yes i have a mate that got his 5th d i c ,did 3 months in waikeria and will never drink drive again…..ever.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:40am
- cmm
  
  Even the lowest animals like insects respond to feedback. Crims are capable of doing so.
  
  People offend because it seems like a good deal. ie the perceived rewards they gain from offending are greater than the perceived costs.
  
  We all have different tolerances and thresholds so we make that computation differently.
  
  The only way to reduce offending is to crank up the cost of offending every time a person offends so that they are less and less likely to choose offending.
  
  That is why 3 strikes works. And yes, 3 strikes does work.
  
  Proof? Easy:
  * Recidivism in the general prison population is something like 50% in 4 years after release.
  * Recidivism in the 3S population is tiny. We can see that by how the population of strikers drops off: 10,000 or so on first strike, a few hundred on second strike and only a handful on third strike.
  
  In other words, 3S has reduced offending by a factor of 10 or more.
  
  Those stats are far more compelling than stuff we take for granted. For example, that smoking causes cancer (around a factor of 2).
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:53am
- simpleton1
  
  Is this judge looking for another angle to strike down the 3 strikes law?.
  To position the use of “manifestly unjust” to be used more often, to become common place.
  
  Very good points cmm
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:04am
  - backster
    
    If they toughened up the prisons and got rid of the social workers they would be more of a deterrent. Our inmates cost $100,ooo per inmate. Sherriff Joe $16000.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    These bloody dud judges should be brought into line.
    
    It is their job to ensure that the laws of the land are applied impartially. It is not their job to undermine the will of the people and redefine laws and sentencing.
    
    Putting away bastards that would bash their granny for 20c is part of the job.
    
    If putting people away upsets you then you are not up to the job any more than a dentist who doesn’t want to look at teeth.
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:25pm
EAD_TWO

Remember Mollie Tibbets – the good looking 20 y.o. student killed last week by an illegal Mexican alien whilst old jogging?

Well, they’ve just had her funeral and her father displayed a thermonuclear level of cuckoldery & ethnic masochism in his eulogy.

These people would rather die than take their own side:

https://www.today.com/news/mollie-tibbetts-funeral-her-dad-says-she-was-nobody-s-t136308

“The Hispanic community are Iowans. They have the same values as Iowans,” he said, including an emphasis on family. “As far as I’m concerned, they’re Iowans with better food.”

I am speechless – his daughter may be dead but at least he can buy Old El Paso.
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August 28, 2018 8:14am
- cmm
  
  Autumn is coming. Somebody has to operate the leaf blowers.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:55am
- UpandComer
  
  Lol so turns out Mollies’ ‘father’ Rob worked for a company called HOK International that paid for the Wiiliam Jefferson Clinton Child Centre in Haiti. He left his position there 5 days before her death. She died along a well known trafficking highway called Highway 80 which leads to Toronto. Her murderer was not an illegal immigrant – he possessed a car and a registered home address. Then James Comey, ‘the’ James Comey, tweeted himself standing in those exact cornfields where her body was found on June 16 this year.
  
  Rob Tibbetts got in deep with the wrong people. Its just amazing how every highly publicised case seems to link back to the same people. Same as Madeleine McCann and the Podestas Tony and John and the same centre in Haiti.
  
  Also i thought all the media on the Jacksonville Madden shooter was off. First it said he was a white guy. Then it refrained from identity allusions altogether. Then i realised why. David Katz was Jewish.
  
  https://forward.com/fast-forward/408997/jewish-gamer-suspected-of-killing-two-at-jacksonville-video-game/
  
  http://archive.is/BPTMr
  
  You also had Dyoan Klebold at Columbine and James Holmes at Aurora. Maybe the problem isn’t guns. Maybe its… Racism sexism and phobias. The answer is more immigration.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:57am
  - Harkman
    
    “Her murderer was not an illegal immigrant” I’m pretty sure he was an illegal that lied about who he was giving a fake name answer social security number.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    UpandComer, while your at it can you do a racial profile of Stephen Paddock and Nikolas Cruz,including Cinton Foundation connections?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:07am
    - UpandComer
      
      Lol his wife was in the FBI, and worked for James Comey.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:11am
      - UpandComer
        
        Her name is ‘Marilou Danley’. She is an Auatralian national. She listed her occupation as FBI agent on a publuc credit application. Her fingerprints and DNA were all over the ammunition Paddock used. She worked for James Comey. Not wife but girlfriend. Oppsies. But still, nothing to see guy. Coinkidinks.
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:44am
rangitoto

Taxinda announces another talk fest. Luxon seems to be doing a good job running Air NZ but he is out of his tree having anything to do with this.
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August 28, 2018 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Is it Kirtons for Luxton otherwise?
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:26am
- godruelf
  
  Did she run her choice past Shane first??
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:27am
- alex Masterley
  
  A business advisory council.
  What a waste of fucking time that will be. All talk and no action. Just like the small business group recently set up, with no-one who is remotely engaged with small business.
  Most of us in the business community will see this announcement for what it is- utter rubbish and business confidence will continue it’s downward march.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:29am
  - Happychappy
    
    How can you get business confidence when you are talking about implementing draconian laws against Landlords.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:46am
    - Tricati
      
      And the draconian Industrial Relation laws
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:22am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Up here in Northland things have been pretty quiet most of the year. So far we’ve held up o.k but several of my competitors are starting to discount to attract work even though raw materials are going through the roof. I can’t blame them, they’re good people but they have bigger overheads than I do. Gambling and a war of attrition seem to be the way forward, once this starts it is very hard to stop. I suspect a similar scenario is being played out all over the country. But not too worry, Jacinda is going to make a speech today that will fix everything. She and her ministers really don’t have a clue. Another example was Twyford saying if landlords had a problem with his plan they should get out of the game. Arrogance will be their downfall but the damage they do will haunt us for some time to come. Thanks Winston.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right TN as we note the next industry coming under attack after a few early signals it is the private rental industry as they again ignore that the unintended consequences will dominate this move as well. The the SLG has now established yet another Trojan horse with the Business Advisory Council to fill the business vacuum between her ears.
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:05pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, but, she knows all about money because she had to use her own pocket money to buy stuff when she was a kid…. ?
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/jacinda-ardern-had-to-buy-own-food-clothes-with-pocket-money.html
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:32am
- Rich Prick
  
  Hey everyone, Cindy is finding out all about businesses. Clever girl that Cindy.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:18am
dave_c_

Just heard the latest proclamation from our unelected party dictator – “Now is a good time to invest in business blah de blah de blah”
I guess this is the new strategy to change business confidence ? Perhaps they really do believe that they are making a difference ! Bloody wallies.
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August 28, 2018 8:21am
- Jade Warrior
  
  This is too ridiculous for words. Business confidence is the lowest it has been in decades and what’s Jacinda’s answer? Let’s form another working group! A new “Business Advisory Council”.
  
  Isn’t this the sort of thing that MBIE should be doing? If this goes on for much longer, we’ll have more civil servants in these working groups than we will in Ministries.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:27am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help
    Ronald Reagan.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:19am
- KevOB
  
  The French had a way to take out rogue government. We need similar rights to deal with these incompetents.
  
  How do the people get redress?
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:09am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Viva la Guillotine! ?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:25am
    - sooty
      
      Impeach Jacinda!
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:38am
      - stephen2d
        
        “Lock her up”!
        
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        August 28, 2018 11:57am
      - KevOB
        
        But how?
        Jacinda was selected by Winston.
        What mechanism do we have to recall these people now?
        
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        August 28, 2018 2:59pm
    - Harkman
      
      “Let them eat cake” ?
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:39am
oldpark

A new slant on” how to win friends and influence people”. The Peters selected woman known as Ardern to be NZs PM seems to be the joke that keeps giving.
Ardern fresh from her unilateral decision to shut down Oil and Gas exploration in Taranaki,which almost overnight destroyed Business confidence throughout NZ.Heard one of her knee-capping bully boys Twyford put the boot into Landlords who provide a rental service,like they were Public Enemy number one.
Ardern and her business hating lieutenants be it the effeminate Hipkins or Twyford seems to miss the point that Charter Schools and Landlords are a business and deserve respect as they also pay taxes.
Some of the punitive laws about to be enacted on so called nasty Landlords by Ardern/Peters /Shaw gangs are virtually no recompense for tenant damage. 90 day rule for getting rid of free loading tenants to be axed. Yet retain the 21 day notice for tenants to exit the property. Dogs to be allowed by hook or by crook ,unless a believable reason why they would not be allowed.
Seems a great way for silly little girls like Ardern to instil business confidence. Even to hear Twyford say to Landlords to fugh off if they dont like the proposed new tenancy rules,and put their money elsewhere.Arrogance and comments from such a bully boy Twyford as instructed by Ardern gives out a message loud and clear.
Who the hell would be a Landlord under the umbrella of the punitive laws proposed by the Peters selected Coalition of Corruption and Chaos.
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August 28, 2018 8:23am
- waikatogirl
  
  “Even to hear Twyford say to Landlords to fugh off if they dont like the proposed new tenancy rules,and put their money elsewhere.Arrogance and comments from such a bully boy Twyford as instructed by Ardern gives out a message loud and clear.”
  
  Like Parker telling business if they can’t afford added costs then leave the industry.
  
  Our way or the highway is the COL’s modus operandi. Their cavalier attitude toward those who make up the taxpayer base is callous and shows a lack of respect.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:49am
  - KevOB
    
    The COL are working to ideology. Their rule is superior and the ideological imperative is fixed.
    
    MMP what have you done?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:13am
- rockape
  
  Envy has eaten what soul Labour had away, its all they have left now.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:06am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right rockape all that is left is the two orifice which for them are interchangeable in line with their equality ideology.
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:12pm
holysheet

Foreign Aid : Poor people in a rich country sending money to rich people in a poor country.
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August 28, 2018 8:26am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Sounds remarkably like the funding of our tertiary education system; chicken or egg?
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:29am
Keeping Stock

When a self-described “teachers union apparatchik” (PPTA) publicly rips in to Chris Hipkins, then we can surmise that the education unions are pretty pissed off with this government:

Hipkins says govt offer to primary tchrs ‘is double’ what they got under last govt. This is being ‘tricky’. Pay of primary teacher at top of scale went up by $1460 in 2016 and $1489 in 2017. Offer is for $1500 in 2018 & 2019, $1600 in 2020. So about the same, not double

Interestingly, primary teachers received significant pay increases in 2016 and 2017 under National (no mention made of earlier years), so it seems that Labour’s favourite refrain of “nine years of neglect” might be as false as Hipkins’ claims to be offering teachers “double” the pay rise the previous government gave them.
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August 28, 2018 8:32am
- KevOB
  
  Labour’s favourite refrain of “nine years of neglect” might be as false
  
  Nine months of proven COL disaster is going to take 19 years to recover from.
  
  The COL need to be removed now before worse befalls us.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:17am
Philview

I read that Nigel Farage is giving a talk in Auckland next month. It will be interesting to see if he has last minute problems with the venue, gets banned or has an angry mob gate crash the talk.
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August 28, 2018 8:35am
- Harkman
  
  There’ll be protests for sure, that he is anti immigrant or something. Some lefty journalist will be at pains to point out in an interview that Brexit has failed, although Breitling hasn’t happened yet.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:11am
  - Harkman
    
    Oops Brexit (I typed Brexit)
    
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    August 28, 2018 3:30pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Apparently the Morse creature is organising a protest.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:18am
  - graham
    
    Correct.
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1808/S00331/nigel-farages-politics-not-welcome.htm
    
    “When UK far right politician and Trump’s best mate Nigel Farage comes to New Zealand next month, there will be resistance to his views from communities across Auckland. Tāmaki Anti-Fascist Action is organising a peaceful anti-racism public demonstration outside of Sky City on Tuesday 4 September at 7pm where Farage is due to speak,” said Valerie Morse, member of Tāmaki Anti-Fascist Action.
    
    “Speakers at our event include Golriz Ghahraman from the Greens, Emilie Rākete from People Against Prisons, Te Ao Pritchard from the Pacific Panthers, and Azad Khan from the South Auckland Muslim Association.”
    
    So as it’s a “peaceful” protest, expect to see the Thug’s Veto used once again.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:36am
    - Fletch
      
      If you want to leave some choice comments –
      
      https://twitter.com/AntiFascistAkl
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:41am
    - Komata
      
      graham
      
      Re: ‘Speakers at our event include Golriz Ghahraman from the Greens, Emilie Rākete from People Against Prisons, Te Ao Pritchard from the Pacific Panthers, and Azad Khan from the South Auckland Muslim Association’.
      
      Is it just me, or do others also find that these names have certain associations / implications which suggest that their definition of ‘Peaceful’ is not the one which appears in the ‘Oxford English Dictionary’?
      
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      August 28, 2018 1:14pm
- MCos
  
  Brexit is a world away from NZ.
  What’s that rabble rouser doing out here?
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:26am
  - Komata
    
    MCos
    
    So you’ll be outside then..?
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:15pm
    - MCos
      
      Inasmuch as I won’t be inside, you are correct.
      Apart from that I won’t intentionally be anywhere near the chap.
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:57pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  But we will be ok with Hanoi Jane right?
  
  It is rhetorical, we is the royal we, and assumes that no council controlled venues will be utilised as I found her speech ‘hurtful’
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:30am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Don’t forget Chelsea Manning at Q Theatre on 8 Sep
    An event organised by some outfit called Think Inc.
    Bahahaha
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:43am
  - Komata
    
    Paulus
    
    Nah, Phil is a HJ fan; Leopards, spots etc…
    
    (No doubt Clark and the other ‘usual suspects’ from ‘the old gang’ will also be attending; ‘solidarity’ and all that).
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:18pm
RF

If you ever had any doubts about Arderns intelligence and common sense all you have to do is look at who fathered her child.

That’s enough to send you running screaming to the hills.

They deserve each other.
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August 28, 2018 8:37am
- Woz
  
  You are now off to Hell to keep Deborah Hill Cone company.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:44am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  If you ever had any doubts about Bridges’ intelligence and common sense all you have to do is look at who mothered his children.
  
  That’s enough to make you run screaming for the hills.
  
  They deserve each other.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Really? You really are a twat
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:34am
  - Longknives
    
    “If you ever had any doubts about Bridges’ intelligence and common sense all you have to do is look at who mothered his children”
    
    I don’t know anything about Simon Bridges wife.
    But then -She hasn’t posted vids of herself on You Tube bragging about her hundreds of sexual conquests.
    Clarke Gayford made his own bed with years of sleazy publicity stunts…
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:38am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      So it’s OK to hate politician’s spouses as long as those spouses have a social media account? Good to know.
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:56am
- Nermal
  
  Are you insinuating that it wasn’t an Immaculate Conception?
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:16pm
Woz

Another fucking committee!? Is Toothy entirely unable to think for herself? I’m expecting an expert panel to be convened at any moment to advise her on how to wipe her own arse.
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August 28, 2018 8:43am
- sooty
  
  Nine yrs eating pies and cruising the country side. Yes this goverment was prepared to take the reins of power. Why would they waste three mill otherwise. They could have given the teachers a payrise with that amount of loose change.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:34am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It would be really simple for them to cancel the industrial relations law plans. And for extra points say ‘we were wrong’ and reverse oil and gas stupidity. That would show that they were capable of learning from mistakes possessed some pragmatism and care for the economy and would probably fix the business confidence issue. Would cost them nothing other than a little pride.
  
  But as ideologically hidebound as they are it’s not going to happen.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:28am
lastmanstanding

I wonder if the Leaker could be Chloe Swarbrick. She said in one of the Sunday papers that she suffers from depression. And shes a millennial.

Unless the truth is out there will continue to be speculation.

The only way to stop the speculation is to say who it is and give them all the support they need.

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know that if it was a Nat MP or connected with the Nats Mallard will be sure to continue the inquiry.

The fact that he hasnt says that its on the COL side and he is protecting the COL as well as the person.

But truth will out it always does and the damage to Mallard and the COL will be greater the longer it takes.
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August 28, 2018 8:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  All of the Greens are mentally ill in one way or another, so good guess, but it’s not a narrow race.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:02am
- SGA
  
  Would Swarbrick have had access to that information? I have no idea, to be honest, but I would have thought not.
  
  You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know that if it was a Nat MP or connected with the Nats Mallard will be sure to continue the inquiry.
  
  meh – perhaps, you might be right. Or, if Mallard has a firm idea that it is someone connected with the National Party, then it is a better look for Bridges to conduct a witch hunt than him – some might then be saying “the only reason Mallard is continuing the investigation is because he thinks it is a National person, he’d bury it deep if it was someone from his on office”. One can paint whatever picture one likes on the information available.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:15am
  - Prince
    
    Ardern’s claim that no one in the Govt had access to the information is repeated so often it is almost certainly a lie.
    Could easily have been sent to a Govt MP by a Parl. Services or Speakes Office person.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:27am
- Psycho Milt
  
  I wonder if the Leaker could be Chloe Swarbrick.
  
  Given that the only people with access to the info were the Speaker, Parliamentary Services and the National Party, my money would be on “No.”
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:27am
  - rangitoto
    
    And the speaker would never pass the information on to the CoL. TUI billboard.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:05am
  - stephen2d
    
    You forgot both parties whips.
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:09pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right lastmanstanding like the Labour Sex Camp scandal and the Middlemore failure we might expect they learned at least a little something about leaving things too long. However the it seems the SLG is being set up to take the fall since her PR advisers have prompted her to put herself out front with the constant use I, Me and My in her latest public utterance. Wonder who is instructing the PR advisers?
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:28pm
EAD_TWO

After blanket Global MSM coverage describing the Flordia shooter as “White”, it turns out he is as white as George Zimmerman. Will we see the MSM retract their stories – most likely only when hell freezes over….

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-suspected-gunman-in-game-tourney-shooting-described-as-loner/

There seems to be a pattern here – When Jews do something bad, they’re “White.” When they do something good, they’re “Jews”

Really makes you think ?
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August 28, 2018 8:59am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , as mentioned can you do a racial /ethnic profile on Stephen Paddock of Las Vegas infamy?
  
  It really make you think!
  
  DUH!
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:11am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    You miss the point yet again Stephie,
    
    It’s about the way the MSM racially profile…..
    
    If the shooter had been a Black, the MSM would be telling us he is a “yoof”.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:19am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO , examples of that kind of thing?
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:22am
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy,,,”that kind of thing” septicboy is a Father Ted fancier and a livestock specialist,,,,
        
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        August 28, 2018 10:08am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Do your own research
        And open your mind
        
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        August 28, 2018 11:09am
- MCos
  
  What the fuck’s wrong with you?
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:12am
  - SGA
    
    Sometimes I entertain the idea that (((EAD))) is a “plant” designed to give Kiwiblog a bad name. Sadly, I think that’s probably not the case.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:20am
    - Jack5
      
      No, SGA, 卐EADolf is just an old fashioned Nazi lover. I doubt he’s a plant: it’s just that he hasn’t heard yet that the Nazis lost the war.
      
      I presume your use of triple brackets in your 9.20 post is a reference to 卐EADolf’s use of them.
      
      They are code used by neo-Nazis signalling belief that the person named inside the brackets is a Jew.
      
      On the other hand, Hitler was part-Jewish, DNA family studies indicate, so may be you know something …
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:18pm
      - SGA
        
        I’d never seen them before (((EAD))) started sprinkling them around. Had to use google for clarification. Odd chap.
        
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        August 28, 2018 11:09pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ Mcos,
    
    Aren’t you one of the blogs free speech warriors?
    
    Just because I’m not beholden to manufactured social taboos which are designed to shut people should I refrain from commenting on the news?
    
    The only things matters is – is what I say above true?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:22am
    - SGA
      
      And others are using that same right to comment on your deeply held convictions. Seems fair?
      
      Add – Opps, you have now edited out your bit about your right to free speech.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:27am
brett68

If anyone wants to read what’s being proposed around rentals, here’s the PDF.

http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/housing-property/residential-tenancies/rta-reform/consultation/discussion-document.pdf

It’s going to be nigh on impossible to get rid of tenants, what a nightmare.
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August 28, 2018 9:00am
- Manolo
  
  Which is exactly the rationale behind the government’s proposal. Bugger the owners, all power to tenants!
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:05am
  - dave_c_
    
    Manolo: And all tenants votes to Labour in perpetuity !
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:15am
- rangitoto
  
  I guess people who head offshore for short periods wont be renting their houses. A neighbour did that while they were on a six month contract.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:10am
- softail 1450
  
  brett 68, thanks for that….
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:19am
secondcumming

*One of my favorite websites for wasting time*

Geoguessr drops you somewhere random on Google Maps, and you have to guess where you are just by looking around 😎

https://geoguessr.com
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August 28, 2018 9:01am
lifesgood

Jacinda must be shi**ing herself this morning. She’s talking to business leaders. That should be a laugh a minute. Will Robbo stand beside her to mouth her speech? I hope the business leaders tell her a few home truths and don’t just listen politely. Of course only a highly edited, positive view of Jacinda will be shown on the news.
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August 28, 2018 9:07am
UpandComer

http://www.unz.com/freed/decline-in-the-fall-or-late-summer-anyway/

Another man identifies late Rome.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568630/

Less then 50% of modern science is scientific. The gold standard for truth is as worthless as a random number generator.

But clearly tbe problem is racism, sexism, and various ’tisms’ and ‘phobias’. The answer is more women, minorities and those nobel prize winning genius people with the highest IQs in science. We need more immigrarion and diversity in science. Thats the answer for why science is now less predictive then chance taken as a field.
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August 28, 2018 9:08am
- stephieboy
  
  UpandComer , give us the science behind McCain Tokyo Rose , Holocaust denial and sundry conspiracy rubbish ?
  
  http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:16am
  - UpandComer
    
    You would know, you’re Baghdad Bob! I’ve never denied the Holocaust happened in some form, and i never would. Even David Irving accepts the evidence of the Einsatzgruppen operations in the East and death by Typhus in the west as incontrovertible as do I. I’ve always found the hostility to him very weird and deranged. But i will never deny the right of anyone to question whether it did. Because that would be a disgusting arbitrary abrogation of free speech about a historical event wouldnt it. Illegitimate, worthless emotive bullshittery. I also don’t believe in things like a roller coaster into acid pits, lethal masturbation machines, moving chambers of knives, carniverous horses or every claim by every so called survivor when so many have been found to be false. Hannah Arendt herself said she would happily shoot any fellow Jew who lied about the Holocaust because it would ruin the memory of genuine victims. She was a communist first, and i respect that. Same with Rosa Luxembourg. Lol I hadn’t seen this article. Wow a man as smart as Murray Rothbard the founder of Libertarianism said it never happened at all. Churchill Eisenhower and De Gaulle implied it never happened? John F Kennedy supported Robert Tafts assessment of the Nuremberg trials as a farce? Alexander Cockburn proved Elie Wiesel was a fraud? Simon Wiesenthal just made up the 6million number out of his arse? Norman Finkelstein proved Joan Peters was a fraud? Anne Frank is fiction? Schindlers list is mostly fiction? The IHR is legitimate? Chistopher Hitchens one of my idols said the official narrative was bullshit? Michael Shermer and Stephen Gould part of the ‘intellectual dark web’ with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are frauds? The US government used Zyklon B itself? Maybe im wrong. Maybe I have to rethink my understanding. You’ve convinced me that most of the Holocaust narrative is false. You haven’t convinced me it didnt happen at all, im not a denier like you Baghdad Bob. If muslims say sth didnt happen it definitely happened in some form. But you’ve convinced me to change my views based on the evidence presented. What a shame you and i can’t be arrested in NZ for discussing Historiography. Im sure the enemies of free speech are screeching away to themselves. I’d never seen this before. My goodness.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:47am
- KevOB
  
  @UpandComer
  Have you been reading where you shouldn’t be? Keep it up: I can’t cover all the field. Sneak the URL’s in here under cover. Most interesting post.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:37am
- realityczech
  
  “But clearly tbe problem is racism, sexism, and various ’tisms’ and ‘phobias’.”
  
  is an American church known for its use of inflammatory hate speech, especially against LGBT+ people (homophobia and transphobia), Catholics (anti-Catholicism), Orthodox Christians (anti-Orthodoxy), Muslims (Islamophobia), Jews (antisemitism), Romani people (antiziganism), and U.S. soldiers and politicians (anti-Americanism).[4][5] It is widely known as a hate group[6] and is monitored as such by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
  
  To see (((who))) is behind these isms and phobias look down the right hand column. The WBC are the most honest Christians on the planet. They say what the bible says.
  
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  August 28, 2018 12:32pm
kevn

@life. Was positividdly …. nauseating to watch and listen. Choking on my Kornies at some of the nonsense spoken by JA with arms flailing around. The audience were clearly underwhelmed. Almost zero questions at the end.
Looked a decent breakfast tho…
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August 28, 2018 9:12am
- KevOB
  
  Fishnchips.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:40am
slightlyrighty

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/animal-activists-start-weekly-protest-in-dunedin/

Does anyone else want to join me in attending this protest with placards bearing pictures of Gravy and Mint Sauce! Maybe a Sausage Sizzle?
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August 28, 2018 9:19am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A sausage sizzle with white bread and sugar laden tomato sauce with a little notice written in bovine saying ‘your tomorrow today’
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:40am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A little camp cooker with some sausages and a nice big sign with People Eating Tasty Animals on it.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:33am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah have a bacon fry up. That will take care of these fuckwits and the followers of the paedo profffit as well.
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:15pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Or Save Animals For Eating 😀
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:46pm
Manolo

The headline says it all:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-weekend-shootings-august-27-2018/
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August 28, 2018 9:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo. shall we do a sample comparsion with New York( similar Black population percentage) and ask why ?
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-19/why-london-has-more-crime-than-new-york
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:24am
  - Manolo
    
    Maybe Jo’burg or the favelas of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil are better places, dear stephieboy.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:49am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Manolo. shall we do a sample comparsion with New York( similar Black population percentage) and ask why ?
    
    So you want to compare Chicago shooting statistics with NewYork shooting statistics and then offer a link to an article explaining how Londons crime rate is higher than New York.
    
    What the article does not cover is the proportion of blacks living in London, it would seem a reliable sample comparison can not be made with the link you provided.
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:37pm
softail 1450

Am I the only one that can see an amazing resemblance to piggy muldoons facial gymnastics when Jacinda pulls the left side of her lips back to the point where it’s nearly touching her ear?
I couldn’t stand watching her on TV now I wouldn’t miss it for quids ,seriously turn the mute on and watch her bodily and facial gymnastics she’s got to be the most animated parliamentarian we’ve ever had.
She resembles a crashing helicopter……..
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August 28, 2018 9:25am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Am I the only one who notices that right-wing men find it difficult to assess women on any other basis than their appearance?
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:32am
  - Longknives
    
    To be fair Psycho Milt the men (and women) on the Left aren’t exactly pleasant about Judith or Paula’s appearances are they?..
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:34am
    - SGA
      
      I don’t frequent many NZ blogs other than this one, Longknives, so I don’t know. Is there the same fixation with aspects of Collins and Bennet’s physical characteristics as I see here?
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:39am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        In short: no. And anyone who does try it tends to get slapped down by moderators or other commenters. Although, to be fair Brownlee tends to cop a fair number of weight references and those aren’t policed anywhere near as rigorously.
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:48am
      - stephen2d
        
        I remember even lefty MPs shout at Judith about her botox job and Paula’s stomach ring.
        
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        August 28, 2018 12:12pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Quite so Stephen. And I don’t remember Milt getting all indignant when interjecting against Gerry Brownlee, urging Trevor Mallard to “throw fatty out”.
        
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        August 28, 2018 1:49pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Her mind is as to her materiality. There. But that sounds like a promising field of research for the male gay community Psycho, with their in depth psychosexual insights into heterosexual women based on rigorous relational experience. Lets form a summit committee to investigate a warrant for a preliminary investigation into a bill by the Minister for children to commission a commission.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:39am
  - softail 1450
    
    psycho mutt , you may be right mutt ,perhaps you could help me to break the habit ,or book yourself in for a humour transplant ,you could use your own brain for the transplant as the humour part of it is brand new and never been used….FFS.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:25am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Yeah, when I was a kid mocking people for their appearance was generally regarded as a laff riot, “but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:59am
      - big bruv
        
        ” I put away childish things.”
        
        A bit like this PM has put away her own child?
        
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        August 28, 2018 11:36am
  - softail 1450
    
    psycho mutt, am i the only one who notices that left wing men are just like left wing women?
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:38am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Really Milt? I can’t see how you could arrive at that conclusion. It’s pretty clear from the comments here that porcelain chops is regarded as a weak, insipid, lying, virtue-signalling and deceitful air head who is nominally in charge of a sleazy crony government that would put even klerkula and Muldoon to shame. I really can’t see how any of those traits are relevant to the fact that she’s got a set of chompers reminiscent of a keyboard on a grand piano.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:54am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      And yet you can’t help yourself constantly referring to it as though it were in some way reflective of her character.
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:57am
      - thedavincimode
        
        No, I constantly refer to it as a caricature of the individual. Any similarities between appearance and character are pure coincidence Milt and in fact, comparisons with a piano keyboard are rather more flattering of adern than various other epithets that come to mind. Goodness Milt, you’ll be wanting to ban newspaper cartoons shortly.
        
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        August 28, 2018 11:17am
    - geoff3012
      
      Davinci
      
      Jesus that was so funny….don’t do it again …i’ll make a mess
      
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      August 28, 2018 11:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “She resembles a crashing helicopter……..”
  
  Or an octopus falling out of a tree, as Jim Furyk’s golf swing is often described.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:49am
Keeping Stock

Didn’t Shane Jones call for Christopher Luxon’s head on a platter a couple of months ago? Now Luxon is the man to drive business confidence, according to the PM.

And interestingly, hasn’t Luxon recently hired Andrew Kirton, former general secretary of the Labour Party, and the bloke who swept the summer camp sex assaults under the carpet?

Is whitewash on special at Bunnings this week?
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August 28, 2018 9:29am
- Psycho Milt
  
  You seem confused. Shane Jones and the PM are different people.
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes they are, but as Ministers in the ‘Government’, shouldn’t they be on the same page?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:51am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Why? They’re from different political parties, it’s inevitable they’ll have different views.
      
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      August 28, 2018 11:00am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes, I am confused Milt. I’m confused that a very senior coalition Minister wants the AirNZ CEO sacked, but the PM sees Mr Luxon as the saviour of business confidence. They can’t both be right.
    
    But in any event, getting someone like Luxon is the wrong move. The PM needs to engage with SME’s in the regions, not the big city corporates, because WE are the ones feeling squeezed at the moment.
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:06am
- thedavincimode
  
  Now Luxon is the man to drive business confidence, according to the PM … [and] … hasn’t Luxon recently hired Andrew Kirton, former general secretary of the Labour Party, and the bloke who swept the summer camp sex assaults under the carpet?
  
  … and the majority shareholder in Air NZ is …?
  
  Nobody with even half a brain will think for one moment that this will do anything in terms of building business confidence.
  
  These crooks will never escape the oil & gas decision, charter schools nor their union agenda, nor any of the other stupid policies in the pipeline that they’ve shunted off to various bollocks hug-fests that have been pre-programmed to come up with the answer this gang wants.
  
  The message to business is very clear already: this crooked gang of economic saboteurs will do what ever they want; no matter the consequences. They’ve embarked on this agenda expecting that life would just carry on as before and now they’re sweating because businesses are hunkering down.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:04am
  - KevOB
    
    Is AirNZ now at risk too?
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:01pm
- VicParking
  
  Tit for Tat
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:31am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

it must be Tuesday,, the mule toothed communist has announced yet another advisory board – this time as a means for govt to connect with business! this is another admission of failure by this COL. that’s right, they admit they don’t get business and the confidence polls are not political- be afraid….
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August 28, 2018 9:31am
- Psycho Milt
  
  To be fair, National doesn’t need to connect with business leaders because it’s their party. Labour isn’t their party so there’s a need for stakeholder engagement.
  
  This is actually an example of how much better-governed the country is under Labour – try and picture a National government looking for a means to connect with unions…
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:43am
  - skyblue
    
    They did, told the unions to get fucked but there were bugger all strikes. Union members still got paid though. Tell business to get fucked like Labour are doing, they shut up shop and no-one gets paid. Labour need business to pay taxes for their loopy spending promises, National did not need unions at all. Simple really unless you are a socialist/communist.
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Unions are nothing but damaging for the country and the members they ~~represent~~ exploit. They only survive in a few monopoly industries where they can hold the country to ransom. Why (other than adolescent-level ideology) would any politician want to engage with them?
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:41am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Well, exactly – thanks for illustrating my point. Labour is capable of engaging with business, but National are incapable of engaging with the workforces.
      
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      August 28, 2018 11:03am
      - stephen2d
        
        Alas, “engaging” doesn’t (always) produce any positive outcomes.
        
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        August 28, 2018 12:15pm
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    How many times have we asked “what the fuck did labour do while in opposition?” clearly, nothing ! they had 9 years to invest to understand business – yet,the fruit of that time ?????? fuck all. no disrespect to chris luxton, but he has no idea about the 90% of nz businesses who employ less than 20 people. What will he be telling the mule toothed communist about them ? more importantly, what will this col do for this group ? tax more, spend more, tax more……
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:38pm
UpandComer

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/08/25/us/new-mexico-compound-suspects-terror/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Finstapundit%2F&rm=1

So that new mexico compound with the grandson of Linda Sarsour’s (DNC presidential candidate) imam? CNN picked it up on page 100. Gee it must be true now that the media hath spake. That muslim who ritually sacrificed his 3 year old son was training kidnapped kids to not just shoot up schools. They were going to attack a hospital. So comforting that the FBI bulldozed all the evidence.

In Chellnitz 3 men were stabbed by a Syrian and an Iraqi. One died. The other 2 are nearly dead in hospital. People protested. The brave lesbian led police in Chemnitz protested against the peaceful violence led by ‘far right’ citizens. Those silly billies just have to get stabbed. After all, Germany is a nation of immigrants. There is no such thing as the German people lol.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYCULqJ7Fw

Even getting police to fake Nazi chants isn’t going to work forever for the govt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tpjuSP4z24

Sooner or later, they are all going to have to go back.
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August 28, 2018 9:33am
Woz

“Jacinda Ardern has announced a business advisory council to provide ‘free and frank’ advice to the Government.”

Somehow I don’t think that is “free” as in “without cost or payment.”
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August 28, 2018 9:42am
- KevOB
  
  Always pick your advisors to agree with your viewpoint–saves friction and thinking. Nothing competes against ideology.
  
  We, the people, need a mechanism to hold ideologues to account. Fixed thinking has no place in responsible government.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:55am
Longknives

I thought you guys were joking when you said Ardern had announced yet another ‘Committee’ (This one re Business Confidence)

But here it is- (Complete with Frowny Face)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/106607473/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-to-address-big-business-crowd-in-auckland

Sweet Jesus is forming a committee or working party the answer to everything?
How does this ridiculous creature make decisions in her Personal life??
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August 28, 2018 9:43am
- Manolo
  
  She never does!
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:47am
- softail 1450
  
  Longknives,,,,,it’s a helicopter yeeeeeee haaaaaa. if she throws it on the floor it will resemble her television performance this morning.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:31am
Manolo

Guilty!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-hold-giant-mass-dublin-abuse-victims-rally-030337491.html

Pope Francis has declined to comment on a claim that he ignored sexual abuse allegations against a senior clergyman amid speculation conservative elements in the Catholic hierarchy are using the issue to mount a “putsch” to remove the liberal pontiff.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, a former Vatican envoy to the United States, on Saturday said he had told Francis of the allegations against prominent US cardinal Theodore McCarrick in 2013.

But rather than punish McCarrick, who was forced to resign last month, Vigano said Francis had lifted sanctions imposed on him by his predecessor pope Benedict XVI.
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August 28, 2018 9:46am
- UpandComer
  
  Yip bergoglio is a crook and worse. Sedevecantism is real. The sooner that pervert is removed from office and he and his Lavender cabal of abusers and exploiters are punished in St Peter’s square the better for all. But the problem is not clericism and the confessional. Its something else. Its not conservative cardinals like Pell. Its Liberal people like Bergoglio the communist neo babelist.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:10am
Hugh Pavletich

UPDATE … AUSTRALIA: Mortgage rejections skyrocket 1347% as credit crunches – MacroBusiness Australia

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-28-august-2018/#comment-3174266 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/westpac-housing-correction-deepen/#comment-3174267

Banks ditch ‘sales-focused’ volume-based commissions … Sydney Motning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/banks-ditch-sales-focused-volume-based-commissions-20180827-p4zzzz.html

Banks have stopped rewarding mortgage brokers who sell the most home loans with bonus payments, admitting the payments risked encouraging excessive borrowing, as the industry tries to lift its game amid fierce scrutiny from regulators and the royal commission. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Lessons from Ireland 2007 … copy earlier MB post …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/apras-airbrushing-mortgage-risks-exposed/#comment-3157717

… CONSIDERING THE 2007 IRISH EXPERIENCE …

The unweighted average median multiples of its metros in 2007 was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.

Currently the average Median Multiples for the Australian and New Zealand metros overall are about 5.9 and 5.8 respectively … refer … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 28, 2018 9:51am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND: NZ housing: snakes and ladders … BlueNotes (ANZ Bank economists)
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-28-august-2018/#comment-3174464
  
  NZ housing: snakes and ladders … BlueNotes (ANZ Bank economists)
  
  https://bluenotes.anz.com/posts/2018/08/nz-housing–snakes-and-ladders
  
  New Zealand and Australia have much in common, including high property prices.
  
  Despite signs both markets are starting to soften, many wonder if they will ever get on the property ladder.
  
  “Housing affordability is not just a concern for people on lower incomes.”
  
  New Zealand house prices have soared in value, while income growth has been more modest. Ten years ago the median house price in Auckland was six times the median household income. Now it is nine times. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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  Reality check for Ministers (really some … just some … asleep enviros) at environment conference | Politik (behind paywall)
  
  http://politik.co.nz/en/content/Environment/1400/Reality-check-for-Ministers-at-environment-conference-Environmental-Defence-Society-Gary-Taylor-Phil-Twyford-David-Parker-RMA.htm
  
  … extract …
  
  … Attendees probably left last night with more questions than when they arrived as Ministers, who in Opposition had seemed sympathetic to environmental issues were left qualifying and modifying their stance on major issues.
  
  This was starkly evident in an exchange between Urban Development Minister, Phil Twyford, and the EDS CEO, Gary Taylor over urban sprawl.
  
  Twyford had set out an impassioned description of the impact of high house prices in Auckland and advocated the linking together of transport and other infrastructure and new housing developments.
  
  But he also advocated the scrapping or urban-rural limits.
  
  “We believe that we have to manage growth on the fringes of the city,” he said.
  
  “If we do not allow new land to come into the supply we will never ever fix the problem of absurdly expensive urban land.
  
  “With good investment in infrastructure and transport, with more planning, not less to create the future urban environment that we want, setting aside areas of special value and open spaces, acquiring land for transport and other infrastructure, if we then allow the city to grow we will bring down urban land prices and it is absolutely critical that we do,” he said.
  
  Twyford had proposed this when he was in Opposition but, even so, any suggestion that more rural land was going to be absorbed for housing was going to be controversial at an environmental conference.
  
  And Taylor was quick to respond.
  
  “Everything makes sense except I worry about why you need to do away with rural-urban boundaries altogether,” said Taylor.
  
  He said that giving free reign to developers seemed inconsistent with Twyford’s overall objective of having a compact city.
  
  Twyford replied that it was a question of values.
  
  “This is for us, for Labour, for our coalition government, this is fundamentally a social justice issue.
  
  “Our objective is not to build a Copenhagen of the South Pacific.
  
  “We could build a beautiful city with a whole lot of the policies we have talked about.
  
  “We could build a Vancouver of the South Pacific; beautiful but utterly unaffordable.
  
  “I’m interested in us fixing this totally dysfunctional urban land economy.
  
  “If we don’t deal with affordability we will have completely wasted the opportunity that has been given to our generation.”
  
  Twyford said the only way to deal with the affordability issue was to deal with the land price issue and that meant dealing with the artificial scarcity of land caused by the planning system and the availability of finance for infrastructure.
  
  However he didn’t dispute that the Auckland region was going to become more heavily built up.
  
  “You know what,” he said. “In two or three generations this is going to become a tri-city conurbation between Hamilton, Tauranga and Auckland whether we like it or not.” … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:23am
  - wiseowl
    
    The only way to deal with the affordability issue is to stop mass immigration.
    There are still 6000 a month arriving in the country.Ludicrous.
    Where are they going to live?
    Cut immigration now!
    I note Hugh you never link to the excellent posts on macrobusiness that discuss mass immigration into australia and the impact it is having.
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:01pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Wiseowl … You are quite correct. I don’t share the MB immigration perspective … as the high growth metros of middle North America … such as Dallas Fort Worth, Houston and Atlanta cope … refer Annual Demographia Survey … http://www.demographia.com …
      
      Here in NZ note how Selwym and Waimakariri Councils are coping with growth.
      
      Remember this recent rumble with Deadbeat Dunedin … unbelievable !!! …
      
      … Don’t laugh … Deadbeat Dunedin of all places … out of land !!! …
      
      Dippie critical of Dunedin district plan … Otago Daily Times
      h/t GF
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dippie-critical-dunedin-district-plan
      
      A leading Otago developer has criticised Dunedin’s new district plan.
      
      Allan Dippie said yesterday a lack of greenfields sites meant it would be a struggle to generate the property development the city needed.
      
      Mr Dippie, who has developed residential subdivisions in areas including Wanaka and Mosgiel, said the city needed residential-zoned land for developers to build on. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Subject: NEW ZEALAND’S NONSENSE HOUSING ISSUE … (DONT LAUGH) DEADBEAT DUNEDIN OUT OF LAND !!!
      
      Posted (with further material) at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/general_debate_18_august_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2285221 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/phil-lowe-welcomes-falling-house-prices/#comment-3168264 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/phil-lowe-welcomes-falling-house-prices/#comment-3168268 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/house-prices-falling-in-98-of-sydney-and-melbourne-suburbs/#comment-3168275 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/house-prices-falling-in-98-of-sydney-and-melbourne-suburbs/#comment-3168277
      
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      August 28, 2018 1:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        Wiseowl … Do check out the consent rates per 1000 population graphs 5 and 6 here …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/2017%20Information.html
        
        They speak for themselves.
        
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        August 28, 2018 1:53pm
    - Paulus
      
      Plus the Manus Island and Nauru refugees ? that Cindy is going to bring in shortly – possibly along with the next load arriving very shortly chose by the UN.
      Where are they all going to live – Dunedin I expect.
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:07pm
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

Who’s this lefty dribbling crim-hugger they’ve got filling in for Leighton??

FFS!!!
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August 28, 2018 9:52am
- rangitoto
  
  I heard about ten seconds of the prat before turning it off.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:15am
  - wiseowl
    
    While Leighton is away I am listening to alan jones on 2gb australia.
    Many issues relevant to here.He interviewed Farage this morning.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:18am
Manolo

Another commission initiated by the incompetent PM.
Has Miss Ardern, NZ’s “Conversation Queen”,achieved anything in her life?
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August 28, 2018 9:53am
- Longknives
  
  “Has Miss Ardern, NZ’s “Conversation Queen”,achieved anything in her life?”
  
  Now I may be wrong but I think she was the first working mother EVER to have a ‘wee Baybeee!’
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:26am
- Komata
  
  Manolo
  
  She may not have, but her ‘Conversation’ inclination has certainly resonnated with ‘Twenty-something’ Kiwi females.
  
  I (and others) have ben invited to attend a ‘breakfast’ event intended to discuss the future of an organisation I am part of. The invite (from a very earnest female twenty-something) is titled ‘Let’s have a Conversation’, (Complete with floral decorations and lots of soft pastel shadings) and has been sent out to a group that is large composed of male retirees or those approaching that situation!!
  
  No ‘Big’, ‘Adult’ words like ‘Discussion’ or anything similar, just ‘A Conversation…’!
  
  It’s very difficult not to feel patronised…
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:55pm
  - starboard
    
    I’m sure it was her that invented the deep fried mars bar.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:11pm
softail 1450

S C, I’ve forgotten his name but he was one of the reasons I stopped listening to the shit that is talkback about a year ago …never missed it for a second….it’s Tim somebody..
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August 28, 2018 9:58am
UpandComer

Tra lala

http://newsupdatessa.site/education-is-not-for-africans-it-came-with-the-whites-reveals-minister-of-basic-education/

“Yes, education is not as important as everyone thinks. Africans have survived thousands of years without it. It is not for Africans, it came with the whites,” said South Africa’s Minister for Basic Education.

All hail new Liberia.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-27/south-africa-civil-war-looms-white-farmers-black-hitler-willing-die-over-property

Johan Steenkamp’s farm, the first Kulak to receive communist confiscation lies over a coal seam. How unfortunate if a government had taken Chinese loans and had to give them privately held property to pay them back. Not to worry. Ramaphosas $500million personal wealth accrued because he is a whip smart entrepreneur. I certainly hope Steenkamp hasn’t placed anti personnel land mines on his farm or anything.
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August 28, 2018 9:58am
- Komata
  
  Never under-estimate a Boer…
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:00pm
- cha
  
  So much going on here…….
  
  The South African Taxi Association has announced that it will introduce a racing league in an effort to capitalise on drivers’ diverse skill sets.
  
  Spokesperson Grant Urismo said: “It is our hope that the Taxi Racing League (TRL) will allow our drivers to share their abilities with more than their passengers. We want to expand the typical edge-of-your-seat experience to TV audiences.”
  
  http://newsupdatessa.site/south-african-taxi-association-introduces-racing-league-races-will-require-drivers-per-event-to-offload-25-passengers-within-20-minutes-over-a-pre-defined-course-during-peak-hour-traffic-in-the-mornin/
  
  ….oh…….
  
  News Updates South Africa is South Africa’s number 1 news satire website.
  
  http://newsupdatessa.site/morning-laugh/
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:03pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is Steenkamp a common name? Related to Reeva?
  
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  August 29, 2018 11:25am
Cunningham

This stupid government just doesn’t get it. They can create as many councils as they like but they ignored business up to this point and they already have their mind made up over the damaging policies they are going to implement such as workplace relations changes. So this is just a pathetic attempt to make it look like they are consulting with business while just continuing on with the stuff that made business confidence fall.
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August 28, 2018 10:01am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes any why lead it with some fat cat CEO?
  It should have been led by a small retailer or a plumber or a builder, or a landlord.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:15am
  - Cunningham
    
    It doesn’t matter who it is lead by. Despite what they say, they aren’t interested. If they were they would have consulted over the oil and gas decision, that shows their true agenda and it’s not pro business that’s for sure.
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:02am
    - KevOB
      
      Uni PR textbook stuff.
      Get them together, pies & chips, make them feel good, send them out satisfied–repeat & rinse.
      Continue with agenda.
      Venezuela awaits.
      
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      August 28, 2018 11:47am
rockape

There is a process Labour and Twyford may not be aware of. Its called Natural Selection. If more rentals are sold the better off will buy them. With fewer homes available for rent Landlords will pick the best tenants so the beneficiaries, low wage people will be the first to suffer. Take Nelson. would you rather rent to an overseas Doctor or Nurse here for 3 years or a beneficiary?
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August 28, 2018 10:03am
- brett68
  
  They seem to be convinced that there’s no difference between an owner occupied house and a rental
  
  Instead of renting a house you own a house it’s neutral yet
  
  An average 2.1 people live in owner-occupied housing in New Zealand, but there is an average 3.9 people per rental property. Every time a rental property is sold to an owner-occupier, on average 1.8 tenants still need a home to rent.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/01-03-2018/pushing-landlords-out-will-only-make-renting-more-expensive/
  
  Labour is making a bad situation a lot worse, they are ideological idiots.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:23am
  - DJ Ward
    
    That’s dishonest. Since owner occupied homes are generally in older generations who had far easier paths to homeownership than today’s young families. Many of these homes just have the widow in them after they killed the husband with nagging and bad food. They are not homes with mum, dad, and 3 kids. They can’t afford to buy homes.
    
    Your statistics are cherry picked.
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:09am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Have you got a wife? Sounds like she would be a lucky woman . 😉
      
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      August 29, 2018 11:28am
  - dave_c_
    
    ‘Zealots’ come to mind
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:23am
  - KevOB
    
    We are going to need new laws to call politicians to account for failing to exercise due care in office.
    
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    August 28, 2018 11:44am
  - Colville
    
    brett.
    I believe its more like 5.5 in a rental to 2.1 in a own your own.
    
    People in state rentals dont tend to declare the bedroom they are letting out for cash.
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:22pm
Manolo

The socialist tiumph is complete: you can save in gold or crypto money:
https://sputniknews.com/latam/201808271067500067-maduro-venezuela-cryptocurrency-gold/

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has taken measures amid the country's deteriorating economy, which made Caracas adopt a national cryptocurrency backed by oil reserves.

The residents of the country will now be able to invest in Petro cryptocurrency and gold, Maduro announced on Monday.
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August 28, 2018 10:11am
DigNap15

Jacinda at the Business group annuncement this morining looked like she had just got out of bed and was still in her nightie.
That woman is a disgrace.
Didn’t they set up a business council last month?

If you want to regain business confidence then you have to reverse all of your anti business policies and make every policy pro business.
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August 28, 2018 10:14am
- cmm
  
  Please Jacinda, keep talking and not doing!
  
  Talking breaks less than fiddling.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:25am
- alex Masterley
  
  She isn’t called the bag lady for nothing.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:57am
- Longknives
  
  What in the hell was she wearing?
  It looks like she wrapped herself in the curtains!
  (I didn’t see the shoes but one can only assume she wore those dreadful clunky old boots again)
  Does this ridiculous woman have any concept of looking/acting Professional?
  Those business leaders must have been just laughing at her…
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:22am
KevOB

Ideology has blinded Jacinda & Co to the fact that NZ is not alone in the world. She has no apparent concept of the global economic forces we operate within.
If she believes that a good fryup is sufficient and we can ignore the balance payments which is just some number-thingy or other everything will feel right.

Funny how the tide refuses to stop or go back on demand. Does ideology not always work?
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August 28, 2018 10:25am
- cmm
  
  Colonialism broke the tide. It worked fine in the old days.
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:27am
Manolo

Jobs for the boys, claims the Labour Party:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12075943

Labour’s General Secretary Andrew Kirton is stepping down from the Labour Party this afternoon to take up a new job as head of government relations with Air New Zealand.

Kirton has been general secretary of the party since January 2016.

Earlier this year Kirton had apologised for his handling of the aftermath of allegations of sexual misconduct at a Young Labour summer camp in Waihi over summer.
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August 28, 2018 10:45am
- UpandComer
  
  Holy moley. Can someone tell Ali Mau? This is a metoo moment made for feminists. Im sure the NZ Woman’s Law Journal will be right on it! Because feminists care about women being abused. They aren’t a worthless pack of greedy greasy grasping special interest vile hypocrites and slanderers and liars bereft of principles or anything. So obviously they will oppose someone being rewarded for covering up a sex offence. I can’t wait for the thundering editorials. Air NZ and the government will be castigated.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Does organising a talkfest between selected businesses and the government to stop business confidence plummeting come under the portfolio if “government relations”?
  
  If so, I repeat my comment from earlier this morning. Whitewash must be on special at Bunnings this week.
  
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  August 28, 2018 12:06pm
  - Viking2
    
    KS. We have spent years pointing out how bloody useless the Nats have been.
    Lets just see if JC actually makes things happen because your mates at the Nats didn’t change much from the last Labour Govt. Indeed they promulgated more socialism then Labour. Chances are that we may get change.
    
    A good example of the Nats. uselessness is their spiel today about stopping a persons freedom to speak. They don’t want it.
    See below.
    
    Some never learn.,
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:01pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right KS short dot spaces on this one. Head of government relations (a Labour cacky) with Air New Zealand who feeds the line to the CEO who heads the Business Advisory Council to feed it to business. Should have just called it Business Advisory Union,
    
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    August 28, 2018 3:05pm
- Piniwi
  
  Wonderful Manolo as the sex camp scandal takes another scalp in the Labour manner of moving faulty comrades from good to better trough. Is this another new position created “head of government relations with Air New Zealand.” As the CEO of the same mob will be head of a business council to advise the SLG? Talk about widening the circle of your friends. Thought that was sweet cheeks role? No matter how far apart the dots are a line can still be drawn between them.
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:00pm
MCos

This would be one of the more pitiful General Debates I’ve seen recently.
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August 28, 2018 11:11am
- rangitoto
  
  Well post something not pitiful.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:14am
Jack5

The ethnic-Indian doctor who has been charged with murdering a teenage schoolgirl is now fighting to get the trial held outside Dunedin.

Venod Skantha, aged 30, is charged with the murder of 16-year-old Amber-Rose Rush.

He successfully kept his name suppressed for a time, and at present is fighting to get released on bail pending his trial.

You have to wonder whether, if Skantha were to get out on bail, there ever would be a trial.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/doctor-wants-amber-rose-trial-heard-outside-dunedin
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August 28, 2018 11:15am
JibberJabber

Personally, I don`t care that much about Trump one way or another but this shows that Teh `Erald has truly jumped the shark.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12114819
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August 28, 2018 11:21am
Fletch

Turns out that the guy who infiltrated the Trump campaign to spy was well-paid by the govt…

We just filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit on behalf of former Pentagon analyst and White House National Security Council (NSC) senior director Adam S. Lovinger, whose security clearance was pulled after he raised concerns regarding lucrative government contracts awarded to Stefan Halper (Adam S. Lovinger v. U.S. Department of Defense (No. 1:18-cv-01914)). Halper has subsequently been identified as being used an informant used by the Obama administration against President Trump’s campaign.

Mr. Lovinger also raised questions about Long Term Strategy Group, a consulting firm owned by Chelsea Clinton’s friend Jacqueline Newmyer Deal.

The Washington Times reported on the contracts in question: “According to USASpending.gov, Mr. Halper was paid $411,000 by Washington Headquarters Services on Sept. 26, 2016, for a contract that ran until this March.” Also, “a string of contracts totaling $11 million [was granted] to D.C. consulting firm Long Term Strategy Group. It is headed by Jacqueline Newmyer Deal, a self-described ‘best friend’ of Chelsea Clinton.”

Lovinger filed his complaint in the fall of 2016. In May 2017, Lovinger’s security clearance was initially suspended by Barbara Westgate, the Director of Washington Headquarters Services and an Obama appointee. A few months later, the Pentagon’s Consolidated Adjudications Facility (CAF) “issued an unfavorable clearance determination and Mr. Lovinger’s clearance was revoked,” a Defense Department spokesman informed The Washington Times. The CAF is part of the Washington Headquarters Services (WHS) and reports directly to Westgate.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/weekly-update-jw-sues-on-behalf-of-pentagon-whistleblower-over-spygate-figure-and-clinton-crony/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/26/adam-lovingers-security-clearance-case-unusual-pen/
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August 28, 2018 11:25am
Ross12

President Trump has another win !!

NAFTA is effectively gone and a bilateral deal has been done with Mexico. Trudeau will have to do a deal now or be left in the “slip stream”.

Trump tried to sort out the loop holes in NAFTA where Chinese companies were using Mexico and Canada to get into the USA market tariff free (via the NAFTA agreement) but Canada and Mexico would not budge, so it had to go to plan B.
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August 28, 2018 11:30am
- DigNap15
  
  I like the way Trump does business.
  He tells it like it is, and gets results that favor the USA!
  Making America great again.
  Now build that wall quickly!
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:39am
Longknives

Sweet Jesus the lies just keep on coming!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/jacinda-ardern-had-to-buy-own-food-clothes-with-pocket-money.html

Apparently the Little Socialist Princess bought ALL her own food and clothing as a child-With her $10 a week pocket money….
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August 28, 2018 11:31am
- big bruv
  
  Note that the story is not attributed to anybody. It seems like Newshub has simply copied and pasted a Labour party press release.
  I’m sick of the way the media pain this stupid little girl. She should be at home with her child not fucking up the country.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:45am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Nah, Cindy said it in an interview this morning. They were discussing whether children should have to do chores to receive pocket money? Cindy said she had different jars of money to help her budget her purchases with her pocket money. Cindy said it had taught her about money, and her government knew what they were doing, “we’ve got this” she said.
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:10pm
    - Komata
      
      Waikato
      
      And the absolutely sad thing is that she apparently really, truly, believes it….
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:05pm
    - KevOB
      
      Great way of accounting-jam jar method. Nixon had brown paper bags in his safe to pay off the Watergate “Plumbers”.
      
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      August 28, 2018 3:07pm
    - rangitoto
      
      No saving?
      
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      August 28, 2018 4:13pm
- Lance
  
  And like George Washington never told a lie…. yea right.
  The legend of Cindy is being woven.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:55pm
- Rich Prick
  
  So her appalling fashion sense is self-taught. The answer to the question no one asked, I know. But is it “news”?
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:00pm
big bruv

I note that B grade actor Sam Neil is fronting an upcoming TV series about Cap James Cook. I will not watch it of course, not because I cannot stand Sam Neil but because it will be a series that vilifies Cook and attempts to show how Cook is the root of all that is wrong with Maori today.
Also, if it’s made here it’s guaranteed to be shit.
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August 28, 2018 11:42am
- DigNap15
  
  I love history and my British heritage, and New Zealand history.
  But as soon as I heard Sam Neil mention the word Aoetearoa, I decided not to watch it.
  
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  August 28, 2018 11:47am
  - Longknives
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12100523
    
    “It’s going to be controversial. Which is a good thing. The more controversial the better.”
    
    “there are people who think he was a rapist — and a syphilitic racist.”
    
    “what came through the door was colonisation which, in many cases, was catastrophic. Catastrophic to culture, to loss of life — the list is endless”
    
    Looks like The Left will be pushing over Statues of Captain Cook before too long…
    
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    August 28, 2018 12:04pm
    - srylands
      
      I hope not. The guy was flawed but he was a genius.
      
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      August 28, 2018 1:49pm
      - Lance
        
        Absolutely, one of the greatest navigators and cartographers of all time.
        
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        August 28, 2018 2:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Longknives’: “Looks like The Left will be pushing over Statues of Captain Cook before too long…
        
        Remember the attacks on statues of colonial politicians? I think it was in the Wanganui region.
        
        These attacks by fanatics pretty much stopped after nutters from the other side began attacking, or threatend to attack, sites close to indigenous hearts.
        
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        August 28, 2018 2:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        Accusations that Cook’s crew may have introduced syphilis to NZ are interesting.
        
        Sailors in those days didn’t have condoms, and ports and other transport hubs around the world typically were hotbeds of venereal disease.
        
        However, the tropical disease, yaws, complicates the picture in the Pacific. Yaws and syphilis are two of the four disease that make up the onematoses,
        
        When you have had yaws, you are apparently safe from developing syphilis. The paper to which I link to below, by a Hawaiian professor, says:
        
        1: the prevalence of yaws, specially among the very young, will render a population largely immune from infection by venereal syphilis.
        
        2: The distribution of yaws is related to a specific climate, the humid tropical forest type, and that lower temperatures and increasing aridity will limit its occurrence. A well distributed annual rainfall, of less than 1650 mm, and one or
        more mean monthly temperatures falling below l8 deg C (65 D F) seem to set the lower limits of a yaws-specific environment.
        
        Both Hawaii and New Zealand are outside this optimum zone for yaws.
        
        That suggests that Maori may have lost immunity to syphilis when they voyaged south, and thus were susceptible to contracting the disease through sex with foreign sailors.
        
        Incidentally, there is some thought that syphilis was brought to Europe from what is now called Latin America by conquistadores returning to Spain in the 16th century.
        
        Some Maori claim that early Polynesians made two-way voyages to South America. If that is true, they may have brought syphilis back with them.
        
        Syphilis in the Pacific:
        
        http://hl-128-171-57-22.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10125/15436/1/OP14-75-88.pdf
        
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        August 28, 2018 2:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Longknives, bit tthe drama queen there especially without seeing it at all and just using some sensationailst pre publicity blurbs.
      
      The Alr right version of Aotearoa is on the cards in cluding seven foot high pre Maoris and their civilization.
      
      LOL
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:41pm
  - KevOB
    
    That put me off too.
    
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    August 28, 2018 3:09pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yep, the evidence is there in the promo, Aotearoa instead of New Zealand.
  
  Biased and f**ked, what else could be wrong with it?
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:17pm
- Lance
  
  You can not like Sam Neil or despise his politics but to call him B grade actor makes you look like a clown.
  I get the tribalism that infests society today but this sort of silliness is getting out of hand on both sides of the political spectrum.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:58pm
- howitis
  
  Nigel Neill was not even born in NZ and did not come here until he was 7.
  His mother was English.
  Can NZ disown him?
  Pretty please.
  
  The late- in-life-Lefty came from money – the Wilson Neill booze empire.
  See how that goes in Otago University circles!
  Rich enough that he was able to attend Christ’s College ChCh as a boarder.
  
  He has the Emma Thompson /Meryl Streep/Alec Baldwin disease.
  Don’t expect anything to make sense and repeat after me:
  >>>>> White men are evil.
  Even if you are a white male yourself.
  Nutty as a Snickers bar.
  
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  August 28, 2018 4:25pm
DigNap15

Todays Maori Vocab.
Sorry I missed yesterday
The word is Concerned
Can’t find it in my Maori Dictionary sorry
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August 28, 2018 11:45am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15 , keep up the bigotry!
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:43pm
- KevOB
  
  It could be implied by not proper/bad manners in context.
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:12pm
Manolo

The harsh reality of business life (something impossible to understand by socialists):
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-coffee-shop-closes/

Cortez supports a $15 an hour minimum wage nationally, which is over double our current federal minimum of $7.25. New York City will have a $15 minimum wage take effect on December 31st of this year for firms that employ 11 or more people, and $13.50 for those that employ 10 or fewer (but that will increase to $15 by the end of 2019).

The city’s minimum wage hikes have been constant year-over-year, and it’s not hard to see why some firms would go out of business in the face of annual $2 minimum wage hikes.
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August 28, 2018 12:25pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12114883

Jacinda launches “business charm offensive”.

Right, now here is where the waka starts to leak…

As I have said before, Jacinda is the Bridget Jones politician. She is a character in a chick flick. You know, the ones where an incompetent character overcomes her worst failings and achieves mediocrity.

Wimmins mags and such lap that shit up. I am an eclectic reader and I must say I’m partial to reading a bit of chick-lit now and then.

Businesses don’t work with charm. They work with spread sheets and stuff. Feelz and selfies won’t fix business confidence. Not even waving a BAYBEE around will do that.

She doesn’t actually have to do ANYTHING. All she needs to do is to stop sabotaging industry.

This new trougher CEO dude won’t help businesses either. What’s his take on the oil&gas sabotage?

Will he be happy when Maori want a cut of every megabyte of data going through fibre, because flax is fibre and the Maori invented that?
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August 28, 2018 12:40pm
- rangitoto
  
  The “CEO dude” is employed by a corporation with the government being the majority shareholder, he can’t really be seen as independent.
  
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  August 28, 2018 12:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    Has Sir Humphrey got a job advising the PM?
    
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    August 28, 2018 3:14pm
- cmm
  
  I see Herald are now running a red banner saying she was “passionate, conciliatory and highly polished performance”.
  
  All feelz, no spreadsheet.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:11pm
- Ross12
  
  How far away are Less-Galloway’s industrial relations changes ? They will turn all the fairy dust into mud.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:30pm
Viking2

National is calling on the Government to bar ex-US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning from visiting the country next month.

Former Immigration Minister Michael Woodhouse said the “convicted felon” should not be allowed to earn money talking about her crimes, and it would “not enhance” New Zealand’s relationship with the US.

Manning, who was sentenced to 35 years in prison for leaking hundreds of thousands of classified American diplomatic and military documents, has two speaking events scheduled in early September.

These Nats are fucking hopeless.
They haven’t learnt anything in the last few weeks have they?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106620364/national-wants-chelsea-manning-barred-from-new-zealand
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August 28, 2018 12:54pm
- Ross12
  
  Viking2
  I can see where you are coming from but you can look at it from another angle. Woodhouse knows nothing will happen but pointing out the facts about Manning and letting the public compare, in their own minds with Brash , Southern and Molyneux , it points to hypocrisy.
  
  The lefties (including that “wonderful” Green MP, GG ) are out there after Nigel Farage before he comes to NZ to speak.
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/08/new-zealands-antifa-get-out-their-box-of-crayons/
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:07pm
  - srylands
    
    It is a different situation to the Southern episode. This person has been convicted of the most serious crimes. Under what circumstances would New Zealand normally allow someone convicted of espionage in one of the five eyes partners to enter New Zealand, especially to boast about the crime? The answer I hope is ‘never’.
    
    EDIT While this person should not be allowed to enter the country, in the event that he is allowed and is then here lawfully, he should be allowed to speak. That makes it clear that this is not about free speech. It is about not letting traitors enter New Zealand.
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:42pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I agree. Manning manoeuvered herself into a position where she would have access to highly classified information. She then chose to leak that information with the intention of damaging the American government, her employer.
      
      She was not pardoned by Barack Obama; he merely commuted the remainder of her sentence. She is a convicted criminal who served seven years in military and federal prisons, before her release in January last year; one of Obama’s final acts as President.
      
      Entry to New Zealand is not a right, and many people have been denied visas for far less severe issues than Manning, who leaked something like 750,000 sensitive documents. I do not believe she meets the good character requirement for entry into New Zealand, and her visa application should be declined on that basis.
      
      If however she is allowed to travel here, she should be allowed to speak, and then be judged on her merits. It’s a shame that our own Antifa activists did not extend the same courtesy to our recent Canadian visitors.
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:01pm
      - Viking2
        
        Actually hiding the documents is tantamount to stopping free speech.
        
        I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the information hoarders. Just tried to send a miserable $1400 dollars to a big company in the US. Been held up and I have had to try and find out who the owners are their residence address and date of bith and so on. If i can’t get that info for the twats then I will forfeit my money. All because I wanted to buy a few dollars of a new product. The company has something like 20 huge warehouse thru the states. fuck wits run the USA.
        
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        August 28, 2018 6:34pm
  - UpandComer
    
    That’s not what it looks like. It looks like National clamping down on free speech and bullying a dissident. Not National subtly implicitly juxtaposing Southern and Molyneux with Manning.
    
    Why give free speech back to the Greens? You know how you highlight their hypocrisy? Say you believe in free speech. Then the left has to receive the demerits of suppression and censorship of opposing views whilst you lose nothing because he was always going to be let in by the hypocrites anyway. Now you’ve just handed back the left their cultural niche. For what? The hard right vote? So you give up centrists who lean left but who really value free speech who might give a new leader a chance to brand himself as a free speech advocate for the law and order vote you already have.
    
    Im sorry but this is not an intelligent move. Is it.
    
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    August 28, 2018 4:01pm
- Manolo
  
  Let him/her speak!
  The Notional Party seems unable to comprehend the issue of freedom of expression.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:08pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think they are saying (s)he should not speak, just that (s)he should not profit from her crimes.
    
    Express away, just don’t make money from your felonies!
    
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    August 28, 2018 1:13pm
    - gump
      
      Jordan Belfort has come to NZ to speak about his crimes. You may have seen the movie about his life – The Wolf of Wall St.
      
      I don’t remember National protesting his presence. They certainly allowed him in to the country to speak at paid events.
      
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      August 28, 2018 5:42pm
- cmm
  
  Dude.
  
  (s)he is a convicted felon. Try get into USA as a convicted felon.
  
  The only reason (s)he is getting airtime is by playing the tranny card.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:09pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Let ‘it’ speak, but also let us have the chance to shout ‘it’ down. Free speech – right to protest and all that shit
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:22pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    I despair at how inept the National Party is at times with their PR.
    Will expect downticks from Party faithful who can’t/won’t see how this looks and what a gigantic meal the left will make of it.
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:15pm
    - Prince
      
      Agree. This is very stupid. Did the Caucus agree with this position ? Or has Woodhiuse gone off the reservation ?
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:59pm
- UpandComer
  
  Why are National such Boomers? Bradley Manning was courageous. We all know just how corrupt, degenerate, disingenuous and equivocal and unconstitutional the deep state are in the United States. How illegal they act – a government in their own right. The President is in a deadly war with his intelligence branches. Whistle blowing is a legitimate and important civic practice. What Snowden and Manning reported is incomprehensibly bad and in combination with other leaks shows how we already reside in both 1984 and Brave New World. Soma, surveillance and illicit covert suppression. I don’t blame a man for exercising control as Manning did over the last thing he could. I’ve read about what happened to people in the United States who opposed Obama and Clinton. He’s not a woman and never will be but if it enables him to reshape his own narrative so be it. Free Speech is free speech Woodhouse conviction or not. Stop being an incorrigible Boomer. ‘Convicted felon’ is the same kind of language employed by the execrable Theresa May to undermine those who speak up about her government’s abuses in Rotherham and elsewhere. One of her goons plants a single item of CP on a hard drive, boom the dissident is a convicted felon. Unless enormous pressure is being applied behind the scenes to force this statement it is ridiculous. Why are conservatives so useless. This is the one cultural issue National can easily win. Free Speech. Fundamental. Simon can prove he isn’t a monosyllable by simply defending free speech. It doesn’t matter what Manning says. What matters is he has the right to say it and NZ should not play the game of suppression by alleged felon. Take Tommy Robinson – he is tutted by people like Piers Morgan who was at the Daily Mail when they were stealing dick pics and smelling undies fanny for shekels because he’s a ‘convicted felon’ for self defence and missed mortgage payments. I highly doubt NZs relationship with the US which is ‘disdain’ under Ardern will be affected by this if we haven’t been kicked out of Five Eyes because of Yang Jian or the nuclear free policy. The positioning on this is very stupid. If you’re going to cuck at least do it when you know the deep state has won. Don’t do it now. We should be establishing ourselves as the Cayman Islands of free speech. Why is this so hard. Unless Trump himself signals disfavour let him speak. I am very leery of removing freedom of movement for whistle blowers. What Manning did is nothing compared to Dianne Feinstein and many others. Almost the entire CIA network in China was liquidated, executed, because of their incompetence or outright treason. Manning did nothing by comparison.
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:00pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Manning is a shitlib flowing with estrogen now, but he wasn’t when he was revealing the illegal activities of the James Clapper John Brennan etc CIA. The latter is a Wahabist muslim convert, the former a deranged incompetent trying to destroy America. Who cares if they were revealed by Manning as what they are. They are treasonous snakes. Even the National Review want them abolished for treason:
    
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/hard-to-trust-doj-fbi-cia-without-accountability/
    
    They let genuine actual Russian spies gi free:
    
    https://freebeacon.com/issues/ig-report-highlights-fbi-counterspy-failings/
    
    Here are ten instances of illegal actions
    
    http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/366442-10-times-the-intel-community-violated-the-trust-of-americas
    
    http://observer.com/2016/06/how-emailgate-weakened-americas-national-security/
    
    Clintons emails were as bad as Manning. The deep state facilitated that.
    
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/how-china-found-cia-spies-leak-2018-8
    
    The CIA are incompetent degenerates and traitors. They lost at least 30 spies in China. Killed dead because the CIA are the enemies of the American people.
    
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/07/09/hack-of-security-clearance-system-affected-21-5-million-people-federal-authorities-say/
    
    The deep state are useless. They let China hack the private dossiers of 24 million public servants including financial and medical and criminal records – everything. Lol convicted felon. They’re all felons just unconvicted. Absent a direct statement from the President or a backchannel Manning should be allowed to speak.
    
    Free speech means people get to speak freely. And incompetents don’t tell NZ what to do.
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Upand Comer,
      
      “Free speech means people get to speak freely”
      
      Whats stopping you?
      
      DUH!
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:46pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        What the hell is your point?
        
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        August 28, 2018 8:21pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Lol gulp. I mean I just want a job for them GCSB. Im just a mediocre nobody in NZ ok g, guys…
      
      But yeah i have to say National petitioning the govt to ban someone for speech, unsolicited, is just not smart. No that’s too nice. Woodhouse come on man. What is the benefit of this? Who will vote National because of this? CIA operatives in NZ? The 3 people over 50 who already vote National who know who Manning is? Seriously what is the political benefit? Now the govt doesn’t have to ban Bradley of its own accord. That would have been a real quandary. Liberal hero LGBT icon commuted by Obama free speech banned by liberal LGBT hero government. Now they can juat say the ban is bi partisan. Goff is off the hook, all your supporters revved up on free speech deflated. Its simply idiotic and unnecessary. Come on man. This isn’t hard.
      
      It doesn’t matter now, just walk it back and reaffirm your commitment to free speech and let the govt ban that brave transvestite whistle blower commuted by the first black president after servinfg time. Seriously. It was a mistake, people make mistakes. No harm done. Reconvene and say that absent legal barriers he should be allowed in. Or, you just wanted to make the govt aware of background. Whatever. Just fix it. And please understand, free speech is a cultural issue just sitting there.
      
      Like i don’t want to carry on but its just demoralising. If you were goimg to do this do it AFTER the govt lets him in on the basis of the US relationship so they have to take a position in a binary policy scenario. This is the worst of all possible worlds. You’ve fulfilled every cliche and given the Greens and Golriz ample opportunity to virtue signal. Come on. You have to be smarter then this guys.
      
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      August 28, 2018 3:43pm
      - SGA
        
        @UpandComer
        I tend to agree. I’m not sure who National hopes to attract by this effort. Odd. Idle hands?
        
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        August 28, 2018 6:12pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Downvote me all you like but i guarantee the left were hurting very badly from being in an anti free speech position. Really badly. Cultural issues are of extra magnitude for them. And Michael has managed to accomplish the worst of all possible worlds. It’s frustrating as hell and fuck it it’s moronic. It shows a lack of understanding of every dimension of this issue. Factual and political. You gain nothing and lose much. All the people who would want Manning banned for whistle blowing vote National already. The swing vote National needs are the wavering left. Free speech is their issue. Flushed down the toilet so Michael could do the boomer versipm of virtue signalling. Downvote me if you like. My instincts are right on this. Ah well. This is demoralising. Time to take a week off. No donations to a party that doesn’t believe in free speech or know how to adroitly navigate cultural policy. Just dumb. Fix it. Take back free speech. People are taking major risks to defend free speech and Michael just does a big Tuba fart on it. You have Chris Trotter working with Stephen Franks you idiots.
    
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    August 28, 2018 4:19pm
    - Viking2
      
      Woodhouse was always moronic. Wasn’t he in charge of immigration?
      What a shit job he did of that. He is plain fucking dumb. Low intelligence quotient.
      Or a more descriptive term.
      Dumber that a wool sack full of lead weights.
      
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      August 28, 2018 6:40pm
- Justitia
  
  I agree Viking2, Manning should be allowed to enter and speak. The ex Minister for Worm Farms is pathetic. Bridges himself was unhelpfully equivocal over the Canadians and slow off the mark on the banning of Brash – Chris Bishop did most of the heavy lifting there. If Manning holds a US passport and is free to travel then the US can’t be that concerned. Let Manning speak, it’s the hard Left who are the enemies of free speech.
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:50pm
MCos

I see the Nats want Chelsea Manning banned from entering NZ on account of her criminal conviction.
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August 28, 2018 1:21pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Not a ‘her’ It’s a cock in a frock
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:23pm
  - Inandout
    
    As much chance of turning a ‘him’ to a ‘her’ as turning a gay straight.
    
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    August 28, 2018 4:00pm
- Longknives
  
  Manning is a man MCos.
  Always will be.
  
  Unless you are some kind of Religious weirdo and don’t trust ‘Science’??
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:25pm
- Jack5
  
  Better to let Manning come and talk.
  
  Shutting her/him out lets the Left off the hook for its moves to block Right wing speakers.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:55pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , no worries Nigel Farage and Pamela Hanson are on their way soon.
    
    This government did not block the visit by Molyneux and Southern!
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:49pm
    - realityczech
      
      “This government did not block the”
      
      stupidboy, were they too busy stopping a fund raiser for baby incubators?
      
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      August 28, 2018 5:48pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yeah, dumb move. Not a fan of Manning, did a lot of damage without any real public good, (unlike Snowden who I have a lot of time for). Seemingly pardoned because transgendered (no good case for pardon). But really can’t see why anyone would care if she speaks here or not, it is a silly hill for Woodhouse to die on.
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Woodhouse wasn’t impressive as National’s Minister of Immigration. Didn’t seem to be able to get his head around the big student-visa rort.
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:31pm
    - gump
      
      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”
      
      —Upton Sinclair
      
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      August 28, 2018 5:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I see I was in error, not pardoned, a commuted sentence. Still a convicted criminal on charges of espionage and theft.
    
    Anyone with a criminal conviction coming to NZ has to get a visa, and:
    
    https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/tools-and-information/character-and-identity/good-character
    
    You can’t be granted a visa if you:
    -have ever been convicted of an offence for which you were sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 5 years or more.
    -have been convicted in the last 10 years of an offence for which you were sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 12 months or longer.
    
    So seems her conviction should prevent her visiting NZ.
    
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    August 28, 2018 5:02pm
    - gump
      
      You can apply for a waiver to the Visa conditions – but there is no guarantee the waiver will be granted (as it depends upon approval by the Minister).
      
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      August 28, 2018 5:49pm
- UpandComer
  
  Correction – Woodhouse does. Direct kvetching to Woodhouse.
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:27pm
Jack5

☹️Ouch!

I must have missed coverage in the MSM last Thursday that the latest reported annual trade deficit (that is, imports greater than exports) for NZ was the highest for more than nine years.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/annual-trade-deficit-widest-in-over-nine-years
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August 28, 2018 1:52pm
- GazzaW
  
  …….a deficit that will need to be covered by overseas borrowing with a seriously devalued NZ dollar.
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:00pm
  - Paulus
    
    Already quietly borrowed $6+ billion not for public figures review though.
    Tucked away into nefarious other accounts.
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  The trade defecit has to be financed by private borrowing.
  Its nothing to do with the governments finances.
  So we have to borrow that money and pay it back on the international credit market.
  
  I also note that our top two export earners(that pay for our cars and phones and petrol etc) are dairy and meat.
  Both areas that Labour and the Greens don’t like!
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:07pm
- KevOB
  
  No point in us getting oil from Taranaki when there are so many more willing sellers overseas.
  
  Are the balance of payments relevant to a fishnchip economy? That would be so Muldoon to be concerned about how NZ could afford food and oil imports.
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:22pm
GazzaW

Whilst I don’t disagree with Peters regarding governmental assistance with the repatriation of a seriously ill Kiwi woman from Bali I do query the double standards of a government that is prepared to cover the costs of uninsured Christchurch home owners and their unpreparedness to assist an uninsured Kiwi traveller.
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August 28, 2018 1:55pm
- Jack5
  
  I don’t agree with the bailing out uninsured home owners in the Christchurch red zone, but, as I understand it, the authorities blocked them from rebuilding there, so there is a degree of the State being responsible.
  
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  August 28, 2018 1:58pm
  - srylands
    
    No the State was just pointing out the obvious. There were no affordable techniques for rebuilding on most of that land.
    
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    August 28, 2018 2:08pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Not true. The land is flat, you just need to build a thicker foundation with enough bending strength to resist breaking and right amount of volume so that in an earthquake with liquefaction the whole house floats like a ‘boat’ in the earth (ie mass of earth displaced by foundation = mass of house)
      
      Foundations are a very cheap part of a house to make.
      
      I agree that compensation is due for govt red-zoning land.
      
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      August 28, 2018 2:44pm
      - srylands
        
        Not correct. The big problem with the red zone land in the Avon corridor was lateral spreading. In a major earthquake the land moves towards the water. It may also be subject to liquefaction but not always. To build on that land would require major earthworks that were simply uneconomic for the people who lived there.
        
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        August 28, 2018 5:01pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I find it hard to believe that now valueless land that would be worth ~$300/m² could not be economically remediated. What’s the bet it is rehabilitated somehow in coming decades?
        
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        August 28, 2018 5:17pm
  - DigNap15
    
    What if there houses had burned down?
    Would they want the govt to pay?
    
    I cannot understand why so many people were uninsured.
    
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    August 28, 2018 3:41pm
    - srylands
      
      Some had inherited a free hold house from a long dead parent. But were poor. Some hated insurance companies. There were a few elderly widows whose husbands, now dead, looked after their financial affairs, and when they died things got neglected. All sorts of reasons.
      
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      August 28, 2018 5:04pm
- srylands
  
  People need to be insured or face the consequences. Apparently it was an undeclared pre existing condition. In my experience, it is worth declaring these. Sometimes you get covered. It might double or triple your premium, but who cares for a short holiday. It is still a small proportion of travel costs.
  
  On the hypocrisy, another example is our willingness to treat PI `tourists ‘ in hospital, usually for dialysis. Knowing that they cannot pay. The correct response should be an escort to the airport.
  
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  August 28, 2018 2:05pm
starboard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106618638/former-mp-marama-fox-consultancy-business-liquidated

How the fuck do these inept arseholes get to run our country ??
NZ deserves better than pea brained wannabes .
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August 28, 2018 3:00pm
- DigNap15
  
  I hope Maramas house building project goes better.
  
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  August 28, 2018 3:42pm
big bruv

Not only is Bradley Manning a convicted felon and traitor but he also suffers from a mental illness. Why the hell do we want that man in New Zealand?
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August 28, 2018 3:53pm
- UpandComer
  
  Because it gives you free speech and wins the swing centre left urban vote pissed off by the extreme left. You dont have to fetishize the guy, just support his right to say what he wants to say and follow the law. You were never going to change your vote on this. People i know might change their vote based on free speech. John Key would have been smarter then this. We had the cultural centre. And Michael has dropped it like a toddler with an unfathomably priceless antique to win voters National already had at the expense of the ones it needs. Well done Michael. You’re a real genius. Its good to know someone with that degree of cultural radar and acuity was in charge of the I suppose mildly cultural issue of immigration. You were getting through to the Chloe Swarbricks (who isn’t a nut actually) as well as the Tauranga retirees on a shared cultural issue. Now they’re reaffirmed in their assuredness of righteous virtue. See! The Tories don’t believe in free speech! They really are just a bunch of Xcists! Go Manning! See the left are the caring carers! Its just such a lost opportunity and really hard to understand. I dont want to launch into invective as much as id like to. Not smart.
  
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  August 28, 2018 5:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    “to win voters National already had at the expense of the ones it needs.”
    
    This is a major problem with National. That and the fact the voters it needs don’t like Slimein.
    
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    August 28, 2018 5:23pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Do you know how badly i want to unload on this stupidity? Unprecedented utterly unique cultural centrist momentum and profile thrown away to align yourself with the Deep State and perhaps incorrectly Trump, in fricken NZ? Unfathomable fuckwittery. Diminutive little fellows obviously have small cranial capacity to go with their bristling Napoleon complex. Well done Woodhouse. You ingenious wee guy. You got your photo in stuff. All it took was sacrificing free speech. All it took was sacrificing the priceless opportunity to win the economically secure votes that swing on culture. Particularly the female vote. Well done. Give that man a gold star for his dunce cap and a step ladder for his light switch. Woodhouse you are a moron. If i was your leader id fire your stupid fucking arse out of a fucking cannon and struggle to stop myself beating you down with a paper weight. You unconscionable little fuck. How could you piss away what Molyneux and Southern gifted the right. I can’t believe it.
    
    Jesus Christ. Yeah im taking 2 weeks off. Fuck Michael Woodhouse. Find someone, anyone to replace him. I’d yake Chloe Swarbrick just out of High School over this gofer.
    
    Sorry i tried to keep my temper. Im so disgusted. This man couldn’t read a political breeze in a fucking wind tunnel. Throw him into the ocean. His political compass is a handful of his own shart.
    
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    August 28, 2018 5:39pm
    - The Heat
      
      Unfathomable fuckwittery.
      
      I am also utterly speechless.
      
      I could write words.
      
      But none would do this level of stupidity justice.
      
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      August 28, 2018 6:14pm
      - UpandComer
        
        I’ll try and do it justice.
        
        I’m reading the Stuff comments and the National supporters are palpably demoralised and stunned, having to argue a position they don’t believe in, that can’t really be defended that everyone knows is the wrong position.
        
        I have more words. I never run out of words. They’re my metier and my consolation. I’m totally demoralised at this faggotry so I’m probably going to just fuck off from Kiwiblog now, which is probably a good thing.
        
        Michael Woodhouse couldn’t find the political daylight if the Free Speech Alliance created a gigantic magnifying glass, concentrated the beam a thousand times, and shined it through a fucking Telescope into his irises.
        
        He is as politically sure footed as a tumbling inebriated blind mountain goat that got struck by lightening.
        
        He couldn’t fucking hear the political concensus if he was in a Hector Berlioz concert and he was inside the Timpany.
        
        He has all the sensitivity and feel for political matters as a newly circumcised mule with an ossified member.
        
        He’s a fucking dolt.
        
        Think about it. You have people who have genuinely risked their livelihoods, their friendships, their families’ wellbeing, their social status, their mentality, from the right but actually especially the left, to coalesce in the cultural middle to defend free speech from the hard left.
        
        It’s never happened. Not ever. Not ever in New Zealand. We have people on the left, the Tribal, Mafiosi left that allows no apostasy, showing the courage to leave the tribe, associate with the right, to defend free speech. Professors, lecturers, scientists, authors, journalists, academics, even avowed fucking feminists have been wavering & I respect all of them now vastly more then this gormless enema of a boomer conservitard. People for whom it’s a psychic wrench and quite upsetting and jarring to genuinely confront the excesses of their ideological companions and despite how hard it is, turn away from them to the centre. They’ve been reaching out to the right and tentatively examining their own ideas. It never happens. Never never never.
        
        Okay? It never fucking happens. You have Chris Trotter a genuine respectable economic socialist, working with Stephen Franks, a genuine respectable Libertarian from the Act party. And other figures who are nominally left. We’re the only country in the world where it’s happening. In other countries people brave enough to do that are being destroyed physically, mentally, and legally for showing that courage. It’s no joke. They’re being fired, or going to prison and losing all their friends and indeed family members in in Canada, the UK, and Australia. That’s not Reddit. That’s reality.
        
        You have an organically coalescing culture wave that is cresting in National’s favour, an extra party structure the National party doesn’t have to do anything at all to aid or abet or finance. It’s happening unassisted. All you have to do is magnify it, scale it, and surf it.
        
        Okay? They don’t have to do a thing. All this deracinated gormless fucking monkey had to do, was just not negate it. If you’re not going to support it, if you’re evidently too much of an imbecile to understand what it is, and respect the risk and the pain people are taking to voluntarily formulate it, just don’t sabotage it.
        
        So what does Woodhouse do. He does exactly the thing that causes the most damage to the right in the culture wars and the National party and does it forcefully and intractably. If there was literally one fucking thing that could fuck everything up – its this. I can smell the glee of the Greens that they’ve been released from their impossible position like a palpable stench.
        
        I’m so angry. Winston Peters’ rule is a good rule apparently. Now Simon will have an opportunity to overrule his mentally challenged spokesperson with respect to free speech. He can state that National is a party that believes in free speech. If Woodhouse opposes it, he can be flung off the parapets.
        
        Think about what Molyneux and Lauren did as externalities. Think about the international dimension to this issue. And Woodhouse is like the spoiled kid who receives a beautiful gift and who wantonly smashes it and giggles. What a creature he is.
        
        The culture wars have been a massacre for the right. We’ve been cut down. And this is the one issue we can and should win. And Michael opens the doors to the magazine and the fort like Benedict Arnold.
        
        I genuinely would find it difficult not to physically accost this man as I fired him. I would want to throw him out the fucking window myself and hear his corpse bouncing.
        
        How stupid is this iteration of the National party? I don’t want to waste my time on it. Key, Joyce and English were evidently not just the brains, but the soul as well.
        
        It’s not hard.
        
        Every single negative angle on this story belonged to the Left. Every. Single. One. National could have had every single angle. Why even
        say anything in the first place Michael? Let the government handle the quandary. If they don’t let him in, they’re the callous anti-free speech censors and oppressors discriminating against a trans whistle blower. If they do let him in, and you say nothing, they’re hypocrites for how they treated the Canadians. If they let him in and you come out in support of free speech and say he should be allowed because his crimes were in the public interest, they’re hypocrites and you’re un-assailably winning the culture wars. And no, it’s not a minor thing. Everyone will remember it. Just like everyone remembers Molyneux and Southern. It doesn’t matter if he’s a criminal. What matters is how Kiwi’s perceive him, and the bigger picture.
        
        You could have used free speech as a blunderbuss undermining their precious false moral high ground until eternity. Free speech overrides aaaalllll the purity tests around Xism and the Environment. Because free speech is a seminal overriding value of the enlightenment and everybody instinctively senses it. But the National party apparently is full of cultural illiterates. I know John Key wasn’t a cultural illiterate. Joyce wasn’t. English definitely wasn’t.
        
        You have unique, uncharted cultural momentum that cuts across every bromide if you would just seize it. New leader, he’s brown, it’s just sitting there like free KFC and you won’t take it.
        
        I don’t know what to say. It’s like something from the Bush senior era. What was he thinking? Jesus Christ.
        
        Fix it you group-think imbeciles. And Woodhouse needs to be released. He needs to go work in a regional council as a functionary and forget about national level politics.
        
        He’s sitting there saying ‘this guy is unhinged, he’s wrong, I’m a genius’ – no you aren’t. You’re a moron. You gained nothing and gave up everything.
        
        How could you just drop free speech. How. I can’t fathom it. I just cannot fathom it. Simply unreal. Woodhouse has shit for brains. This level of stupid delivered with such assurance is just perfectly demoralising.
        
        Fucking insane. The Heat understands me. I hope that was enough the Heat. The Alt right are correct. Conservatives are stupid. Just a better form of stupid, but still very stupid. The good ones like Key, Joyce, English all have a certain streak that makes them different. Yeah. Ah well. Adieu Kiwiblog.
        
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        August 28, 2018 8:10pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I share your frustration U&C.
      I think you should write to the Nats and I think you should do it before you calm down.
      
      I also think you should patent the phrase “Unfathomable fuckwittery”.
      Nothing could be more apt.
      
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      August 28, 2018 8:13pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Here you go.
      
      Hey Michael, you vacant tard.
      
      This is you.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M9Vidz5a5M
      
      Conserve. Conserve things.
      
      Fuck off Michael. Give up free speech and spit on everyone sacrificing for it for your 2 dollar 2bit 2 seconds of standing at the Podium you can barely see over you midget jerkoff. Turn a galvanising vision issue into a fucking squib. I hope when Simon does fire you he does use the phone to knock some sense into your stupid little screwball head.
      
      If Stefan Molyneux gives you ice, conserve it. Don’t melt down. Fucking jerkoff. Now, everytime the punter thinks about Molyneux and the hot blonde they’ll think of this fuckface ‘doing the same thing’. Seriously I would find it so hard not to beat this midget down for his stupidity. Clearly I’m not cut out for political compromise. But there is only one right answer on this one Michael you Turd.
      
      Right. I’m done.
      
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      August 29, 2018 1:24am
Captain Mainwaring

The relentless march back to the 16th century continues.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106640389/environmentalists-win-appeal-against-seabed-mining-decision
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August 28, 2018 4:26pm
- Monique Watson
  
  That is so screwed. I’ve been watching this and I know the area well. The bight is prime for mining. The path of the miners and sea mammals migrating are totally different.
  And I saw that Prick Russel Norman celebrating in the Taranaki Daily News. Knob.
  
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  August 28, 2018 5:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The ironsand won’t be going anywhere.
    
    It will wait until the Chinese come down here to claim it.
    
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    August 28, 2018 7:06pm
    - nasska
      
      That’s what is happening in Africa & the Pacific Islands Maggy. The Chinese are happy to loan money to spendthrift governments to buy votes.
      
      They know that sooner or later the day of reckoning will come & they’ll be able to walk in & grab the defaulting nation’s assets.
      
      What used to take a gunboat now only requires a chequebook.
      
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      August 28, 2018 7:51pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, they have gunboats, too, but have been a little shy about using them thus far.
        
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        August 28, 2018 8:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Ardern does not care. She knows her noxious spore will never want for anything. This sort of virtue signalling is a luxury of the well off.
  
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  August 28, 2018 6:17pm
DigNap15

Business need not worry.
Only two industries will be fucked by union wage rates this term.
Business confidence to keep falling? (I hope it does to give Jacinda the message.
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August 28, 2018 4:51pm
- realityczech
  
  The people Labour care about do not work in productive industry.
  
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  August 28, 2018 6:25pm
Captain Mainwaring

I won’t be watching TV3 news tonight (I usually do).
The sight of the weasel Gower gushing and gloating about going a few metres into the Pike River mine would be too much for my delicate stomach.
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August 28, 2018 5:19pm
- sooty
  
  So is labour operating a tourist busines running mine tours at pike river, now is it?
  Or is it just jollies for mates?
  Who’s signing of the h&s on this?
  Is it you angry?
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:45pm
realityczech

How to get off abducting a baby and burglary. Be a woman.

This meat sack broke into a home and stole a couples baby. She had faked a pregnancy – probably to get a benefit.

The judge let the meat sack off with not even a conviction. The Crown appealed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/106616594/crown-appeals-sentence-of-epsom-baby-kidnapper-sydnee-shanunna-toulapapa
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August 28, 2018 5:44pm
Monique Watson

Oh Fuck. Here we go. Free Speech rights to be eroded further.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115102

Can’t wait until we get rid of the Nanny State which surpasses The Clark administration.
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August 28, 2018 6:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Brace yourself. You have no idea how much malice and hate is in this government. But your are going to find out.
  
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  August 28, 2018 6:26pm
waikatogirl

The construction costs of the 3.5km Auckland city rail link priced at $3.4billion has blown out to similar amounts so looking at closer to $6billion. For every metre, the cost, so far, is over $100k. TVNZ happily stated Robbo is “footing the bill”. ?
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August 28, 2018 6:23pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  over $1million per meter.
  
  Skyrail elevated monorail system from China costs only ~$50million per km. Could do a Network covering all of Auckland for the price of this mausoleum to public transport idiocy.
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:21pm
Monique Watson

I should be in bed. I have six loads of laundry to fold before school tomorrow. 5.30am start. But for some reason there seems to be an unearthly amount of Gobshites in the NZ news today. So here I am jumping back and forward between Father Ted reruns and keeping my eyes on the NZ media.
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August 28, 2018 6:55pm
- nasska
  
  Slow down & relax Monique.
  
  Every corpse on Mt Everest was once an extremely motivated & determined human being. 🙂
  
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  August 28, 2018 7:11pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    🙂 I would never climb anything that would require me to carry my shit in a bag out. But I can spend a little time bitching about the state of affairs.
    For the children don’t cha know!
    
    My bro climbed Mount Shasta.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Shasta
    
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    August 28, 2018 7:19pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Children will learn to fold their own washing under the right circumstances. The catch is that those circumstances have yet to be discovered.
      
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      August 28, 2018 7:21pm
mikenmildagain

An oldie but a goodie for nasska:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/comic/ours/
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August 28, 2018 7:24pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Oh that’s hilarious!
  
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  August 28, 2018 7:33pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    They’re a thing. My favourites are probably their conversations with the atheist barmaid at the Cock ‘n Bull.
    
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    August 28, 2018 7:59pm
- nasska
  
  I’ve been a bit concerned about that over the years Mike. Everywhere I turn there are nutters pleading for their super hero to tip the scales in their favour. If it happens then the prayer succeeded…..if it fails then it was God’s will.
  
  Or maybe He doesn’t exist! Or perhaps He was just ignoring them!
  
  It’s all very confusing. 🙂
  
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  August 28, 2018 7:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There’s the old saying that if you talk to God, it’s prayer; but if God talks to you, it’s schizophrenia.
    
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    August 28, 2018 8:01pm
Monique Watson

And here is a reason to sleep with one eye open:
How to tell if your cat is plotting to kill you:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_kill
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August 28, 2018 7:35pm
Ross12

A good interview by Alan Jones with Nigel Farage

https://www.2gb.com/its-always-controversial-when-you-talk-common-sense-nigel-farage-heading-to-australia/
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August 28, 2018 7:48pm
- GoVege
  
  Yes its so shocking when people state politically incorrect facts such as maybe we shouldn’t be importing thousands of chauvinist males who look down on women into gender = countries! 🙂
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:00pm
rangitoto

So mattresses are a big problem for landfills. When will Cindy ban them.
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August 28, 2018 7:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Landfills or mattresses?
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:04pm
DigNap15

Here in NZ we have plenty of room for landfills, lots of hills and valleys.
Buy a few and fill them up!
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August 28, 2018 8:05pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Considering NZ’s slow but steady relative economic decline since the 1960s, importing rubbish might be an opportunity for us make a bold statement about joining the third world:
  http://www.atchuup.com/countries-used-as-dumping-grounds-of-worlds-trash/
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:22pm
starboard

Check out this big fat slob slapped with a wet bus ticket . What a dog of a human. Execution is the only answer..but we’ll give it Home D instead.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/pair-suffered-extreme-unprovoked-violence
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August 28, 2018 8:25pm
- GoVege
  
  Love to know if there’s a bloke out there who was brave (or mad) enough to marry this chick.
  Or is she having her kids free on the kiwi taxpayer?
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:03pm
  - nasska
    
    Marry it? I’m not certain that I could circumnavigate it! 🙂
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:07pm
    - starboard
      
      You’d need to roll it in flour THEN throw baking soda at it to find..*cough cough*, you know.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:18pm
stigie

Funny how they have said nothing about car tyres, yet the fuckers are banning supermarket bags. Is this because they found a plastic bag over a turtles head..?
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August 28, 2018 8:26pm
- nasska
  
  The plastic bag ban has zilch to do with turtles & heaps to do with feelz. Mad women love turtles, seal pups, panda bears & little fluffy kittens.
  
  If plastic bags were threatening mice, spiders or vampire bats then we wouldn’t be carrying our groceries home in sugar bags!
  
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  August 28, 2018 8:44pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t you watch the news, stigie?
  They keep finding hundreds of fish, seabirds and mammals, and turtle who have died from swallowing plastic bags…
  
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  August 28, 2018 9:06pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Who are they? Ten rivers are the source of around 95% of all the plastic waste entering the Oceans. Want to guess which rivers?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:14pm
    - nasska
      
      Okay I cheated a little & looked it up but here they are:
      
      Yangtze East China Sea Asia
      
      Indus Arabian Sea Asia
      
      Yellow River Yellow Sea Asia
      
      Hai He Yellow Sea Asia
      
      Nile Mediterranean Africa
      
      Ganges Bay of Bengal Asia
      
      Pearl River South China Sea Asia
      
      Amur Sea of Okhotsk Asia
      
      Niger Gulf of Guinea Africa
      
      Mekong South China Sea Asia
      
      Waikato…..nope! Ruamahanga….can’t see it listed! Wanganui…..nah!
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        Ok nasska, but those rivers are surrounded by populations of total ignoramuses.
        If they were educated….like in the West.. they’d soon learn the error of their ways!
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:24pm
      - nasska
        
        But if things are so bad that it matters what a flea sized couple of islands at the arse end of the world takes its shopping home in there’s certainly not time to educate 6-7 billion retards sitting on the low end of the IQ scale.
        
        Therefore we’re fucked! So why bother?
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:37pm
  - stigie
    
    Yes, and i wouldn’t mind betting it’s all fucking photoshoped GoVeg..?
    
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    August 28, 2018 9:18pm
    - GoVege
      
      These are extremely reputable news outlets stigie, like our own tv1 and tv3.
      
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      August 28, 2018 9:26pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Tonight on TV1 news they reported the outcome of the iron sand case and show a clip of whales as though there is supposed to be some connection. They are pure bullshit propaganda.
        
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        August 28, 2018 9:44pm
  - realityczech
    
    “They keep finding hundreds of fish, seabirds and mammals, and turtle who have died from swallowing plastic bags”
    
    Filthy liar.
    
    They find they have eaten plastic, not that plastic has killed them. 100% of people who die of cancer are found to have swallowed water.
    
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    August 28, 2018 10:18pm
    - Jack5
      
      Gd Evening, ‼️Kearealityczech‼️ is it true that Jews invented shopping plastics, and own, run, and market nearly all the plastic bag supplies?
      
      ???
      
      Who let the parrots out?
      Who, who, who, who, who?
      Who let the parrots out?
      Who, who, who, who, who?
      
      Well, the party was nice, the party was pumpin’
      Yippie yi yo
      And everybody havin’ a ball
      Yippie yi yo
      I tell the fellas start the name callin’
      Yippie yi yo
      And the girls respond to the call
      I heard a woman shout out
      
      Who let the parrots out?
      Who, who, who, who, who?
      Who let the parrots out?
      Who, who, who, who, who?
      
      (With apologies to Baha Men)
      
      ???
      
      Kearealityczech cousin’s rendition:
      https://youtu.be/126vGQI0vAk
      
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      August 28, 2018 10:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        According to you Jacksie the Chews invented everything. In reality they just invented communism and religion.
        
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        August 28, 2018 10:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        But, KRC, did 卐EADolf invent the Chews?
        
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        August 28, 2018 10:59pm
rangitoto

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/27/cohen-lawyer-admits-was-anonymous-cnn-source-for-bombshell-story-on-trump-tower-meeting.html
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- Shaun the Sheep
  
  “I made a mistake”
  = pants on fire!
  
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  August 28, 2018 10:50pm
Jack5

Aren’t water diviners bogus?

The Gore District Council has employed a water diviner and identified six sites where water could be obtained for the town supply.

It will test drill the diviner’s sites.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/106620827/gore-council-to-get-tougher-on-water
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