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General Debate 24 August 2018

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Igotta Numbum

First!

Happy Fridays everyone!
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August 24, 2018 8:33am
- waikatogirl
  
  Happy Fridays to you too!
  Beautiful morning here in the Waikato. ?
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:37am
  - Viking2
    
    BOP as well but some frosties about.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:08am
- VicParking
  
  To day is the Urbana Sweetcorn Festival day with prizes for all things sweetcorn including the best sweetcorn dildo.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:17am
  - VicParking
    
    For you unbelievers
    https://urbanasweetcornfestival.com
    
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    August 24, 2018 11:00am
tas

I kind of feeling sorry for Peter Dutton. He has so diligently demolished his party, but it seems like he might not get to be king of the rubble. He might even lose his seat in the next election.
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August 24, 2018 8:34am
- cmm
  
  Naah, it’s creative destruction.
  
  The Aussie govt has been a mess for years and needs a bulldozer run through it to make a clean start.
  
  Even the Italians were starting to complain about cultural appropriation
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:38am
  - tas
    
    That bulldozer will be the next election turfing the whole lot out and that election might come earlier than expected.
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:44am
    - EAD_TWO
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:48am
      - tas
        
        Good point.
        
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        August 24, 2018 8:54am
      - sooty
        
        May ours come early as well!
        
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        August 24, 2018 8:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        And the same bulldozer is welcome across the treasury benches anytime before 2020.
        
        How long before we find out that the ‘mentally challenged’ leaking MP is a red or a melon, or, conspiracy theory time, has the sheepskin car seat cover?
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:08am
    - srylands
      
      Yeah well if Shorten becomes PM it will just continue the last decade of bad policies. eg if Australia wants to seriously reduce greenhouse emissions it will need several large nuclear stations. The idea that it is going to do it with renewables is a farce. If they don’t get a stable energy policy the lights will go out. Or more importantly the air conditioning.
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:54am
    - VicParking
      
      If all goes in line with History. Labour in Australia, Labour out NZ.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:20am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Daily reminder of the “leader” he replaced:
    
    “We are a nation that does not define its nationality, its identity, by reference to race or religion or cultural background or ethnic background,
    
    People from every corner of the earth, from every religion – or of none – and every race can connect, be inspired by, be part of [our] values. That is Australia”
    
    Good riddance Malcolm Turnbull
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:46am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Is Turnbull still refusing to allow the meeting?
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:07am
- Nick R
  
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  I’m more interested in seeing how Simon Bridges is going to deal with the expenses leak fiasco now that it seems the source was one of his own MP’s. Particularly if he continued to accuse the Government for leaking after he knew it wasn’t. Honestly, in between that and the Liberal Party revolving door approach to leadership, I worry that I will run out of popcorn today.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    Tovia Obrien, the breathless reporter? Needs to go to the Police urgently to release the name of the leaker, to ensure that the person who leaked gets the help they need so they do not self harm them selves. Oh dear, this is not going to end well for her or the leaker.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:00am
    - Nick R
      
      Section 68 of the Evidence Act 2006 says otherwise. Tova O’Brien is in no trouble at all. Journalists get leaks and they report them. That is their job.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:09am
      - VicParking
        
        And as they have no morals it wont weigh heavy on her mind.
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:24am
    - GazzaW
      
      The media has been having a field day this morning. ‘National MPs flock to Wellington!’was one classic headline. It seems the media would just love a political debacle on this side of the Tasman to match the idiocy in Canberra.
      
      For NZs sake let’s hope that Bishop wins in Aussie. Dutton is no friend of ours.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:10am
    - rangitoto
      
      The police already know who the leaker is. They wont tell Bridges but I would assume Mallard would have the power to demand the information.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:00am
  - rockape
    
    Maybe not an MP My bet would be on a certain Blogger who hates any leader other than Collins and has had mental health problems in the past?
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:08am
    - VicParking
      
      WO you could be right
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:02am
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    I hope it results in his replacement as leader of the party. I don’t think it will however. I don’t think Simon Bridges is the right person to lead National.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:48am
    - suzieq
      
      Who would you rather have? Am curious.
      
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      August 24, 2018 5:51pm
  - KevOB
    
    There is no evidence. It is all based on third hand sayso. My grandmother might have whispered something to HC’s niece about it.
    
    More dirty tricks afoot.
    The COL need all the diversion they can get at present. The economy is tanking and they are just getting a sense of it the unimaginable. Expect more.
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  Kerry Anne Walsh , Oz commentator on Red Radio , saying this is appalling and must stop and Julie Bishop was a loyal deputy !
  
  Outright lie.
  
  How come it was ok with the Media party to roll Tony but not the elitist super rich progressive Turnbull ?
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:27am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  erm … I think you are meaning Turncoat Turnbull, surely, who is responsble for the systematic destruction of the Libs?
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:31am
cmm

“Sorry for the delay”

To steal Andy’s line from when he was leader of the oppo:

Not good enough! Kiwis deserve better!
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August 24, 2018 8:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘hard working Kiwi family’s’; always add an additional adjective for emphasis and if some spittle is forthcoming when shouting the rhetoric into the microphone while leaning forward with narrowed eyes ‘how dare you challenge my view point’ face, so much the better!
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:19am
oldgolfer

I’ve got my money on Julie Bishop, but I am often wrong.
Either way, it’s not job for the shambles this side of the ditch.
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August 24, 2018 8:35am
- redeye
  
  Bookies Prices:
  Julie Bishop: $2.10
  Peter Dutton: $2.25
  Scott Morison: $5.00
  Tony Abbott: $24.00
  
  Personally, as long as that treacherous left wing alarmist Turnbull is gone then I’m happy.
  Funny to see Peter King in the public gallery the other day to watch Turnbull’s decline. He was the first of the political scalps he took on the way up.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    Is it going to end well for the Bag Lady, if Julie Bishop wins?
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:02am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Hope not
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:01am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I just want to be there when that rat is swallowed and the call to Julie Bishop has to be made just to find out that your number has been blocked.
      
      The princess could use a burner phone, someone on that side of the house knows how that really really clever ruse works don’t they!
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:22am
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      She can go die in a fire, stood behind her leader and watched him get stabbed in the back. The deputy leader should show some loyalty. Completely untrustworthy.
      
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      August 24, 2018 1:06pm
- tas
  
  Bishop is the most popular alternative to Turnbull in public opinion polls.
  
  However, Bishop has been deputy leader since 2007, during which time the leader has been:
  Brendan Nelson (11/2007–09/2008)
  Malcolm Turnbull (09/2008–12/2009)
  Tony Abbott (12/2009–09/2015)
  Malcolm Turnbull (09/2015–)
  
  This makes me wonder: Why run for leader now and not all of those other times?
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:03am
  - waikatogirl
    
    This makes me wonder: Why run for leader now and not all of those other times?
    
    Julie Bishop is running for the leadership because she says she does not want to be deputy to another man. Julie has the political experience to be leader, and as an added bonus, she doesn’t like the Bag Lady on this side of the Ditch.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:12am
    - kowtow
      
      They know Dutton will ensure the dross don’t keep coming in.
      
      The “moderates” want to continue to shit all over Oz.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:29am
    - tas
      
      Yeah, but why didn’t that same argument apply the previous 4 times? What has changed?
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:22am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Roy Morgan polls are showing that Julie Bishop has the best chance of beating Shorten/Labor.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:50am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Yep… Hard to trust someone with that track record…
    
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    August 24, 2018 1:08pm
- Harkman
  
  She has fantastic legs (for her age). She should’ve thrown her hat in the ring years ago.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:07am
  - VicParking
    
    She would look good then biking to parliment.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:27am
  - wiseowl
    
    Looks and legs.The best qualifications for a leader!
    
    Bishop as they say is Turnbull in a skirt.
    It would be more of the same.
    Dutton needs to win otherwise it will be a disaster.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:28am
    - VicParking
      
      Don’t forget teeth, you need forward looking teeth along with a productive womb and a sound grounding in chip production.
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:06am
    - GazzaW
      
      ……but Dutton would be a disaster for NZ regardless of who was in power here.
      
      It’s all academic because an election is almost inevitable regardless of who the Libs choose as leader. The decision ultimately will be whether the Nats choose to sit on the cross-benches. Just a couple of Nat MPs could force an election and Shorten must fancy his chances.
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is this for real…or is is RadioNZ running a big smoke-screen?
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364808/leak-saga-reveals-a-party-with-serious-internal-problems
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August 24, 2018 8:36am
- brett68
  
  That’s icing on the cake.
  
  RNZ is running a dirty politics hit job on National on behalf of the government
  
  If National doesn’t completely rebuild or sell RNZ when they’re next in power then they are fools.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:47am
  - srylands
    
    Did anyone hear someone on RNZ reading a poem called “the baby is here”?
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:57am
    - VicParking
      
      Yes – gagged on my first hit of coke for the day. Had to down half a bottle of champ’s to recover
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:29am
      - srylands
        
        What are they thinking? I thought it was a news programme?
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:31am
      - alwyn
        
        Does it make you feel better, or a great deal worse, to find that the taxpayer funds her to the tune of $40,000/year?
        http://www.press.auckland.ac.nz/en/about/news-and-events/news/news-2017/new-zealand_s-new-poet-laureate-announced.html
        And they moan about Bridges’ travel costs.
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:23am
- niggly
  
  At this point it seems to me that RNZ is running a smoke screen (and using it as an excuse to further undermine Simon Bridges & National) because they admitted this morning they have no real evidence (just “claims”) that the original leaker is actually a National MP.
  
  Now we have a second leaker that has passed on the first leaker’s story to RNZ (the second leaker is RNZ’s source according to their 7.10am report).
  
  Simple conclusion: either the leaker is a National MP (if so they need to go) or is perhaps a Civil Servant (i.e. someone with access to National’s internal meetings – which could be in the form of reading/accessing memos perhaps etc).
  
  Good thing then that Mallard appointed a QC to investigate regardless, let’s get to the bottom of this (no matter where the leaker comes from)!
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:47am
  - Albert Thrasher
    
    9.30 standup at parliament with Bridges.
    I had my money on it being Collins but apparently not.
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:51am
    - niggly
      
      Goody! But I wouldn’t suspect Collins to be the source, even she’s not that stupid …
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:54am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Agree The RNZ article has a grubby little “exclusive”. So RNZ, our publicly funded medi who received $4.5million in extra public funding this year, has at least two informers, and RNZ have been shown the text messages?!
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:03am
    - niggly
      
      RNZ’s Jo Moir, who seems to have broken the story, said she hasn’t seen the first leaker’s text messages. She stated RNZ has heard about them from this second “leaker”.
      
      The first leaker sent a text message(s) to Bridges and Speaker Mallard. Only they know the contents (or first knew).
      
      The second “leaker”, associated with the original leaker, was the conduit to RNZ.
      
      As Maggy says, it all does sound rather amateurish!
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:12am
      - MCos
        
        That there was a ‘text’ doesn’t seem to be in doubt.
        The indentities of the writer in particular, but also the two leakers is going to be very interesting. I suspect we’ll never find out who the latest leaker was.
        The other question is are the first leaker & the texter the same person.
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:59am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Why does labour and amateurish book end so well in a sentence?
        
        Answers to be less than 20,000 words for brevity.
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:25am
      - VicParking
        
        All this tells me is that RNZ is incontinent.
        
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        August 24, 2018 11:09am
- rockape
  
  I suspect that if the Author of the Email didn’t want exposure it wouldn’t have been sent to Mallard or leaked to the press. If it was a National MP the easy way out would have been resignation for health reasons! However I suspect this is a hit job from a parliament services low life to sabotage the inquiry.
  Wouldn’t a National leaker have gone to Bridges , fallen on his sword and begged for anonymity?
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    However I suspect this is a hit job from a parliament services low life to sabotage the inquiry.
    
    It looks very amateurish.
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:58am
    - sooty
      
      Must have been Hagar then!
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:04am
    - rockape
      
      Maggy, there are plenty of young ,inexperienced political wannabees in Parliamentary services.
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:50am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Grovelling to Simon and falling on their sword is what a National MP would do, exactly what I said this morning to hubby. This is a poor attempt at a hatchet job.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      For sure; the other team just brazen it out; Curran, Woods, Davis, et al.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:27am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Im disappointed with Bridges. He not getting any cut thru. He is faced with the biggest shambles of governance in at least the past 70 years. In my time following politics 50 years I cant think of a Government that has made so many gaffs many of them breaching politics 101.
  Yet Bridges hasnt scored any hits. I suspect there are serious rumblings within the caucus around his lack of effectiveness and lack of leadership.
  I will be surprised if he leads the Party into the next election.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:55am
  - Albert Thrasher
    
    I see a new government finding it’s feet and managing itself quite well.
    The reason Bridges is struggling is because he’s hopeless.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:00am
    - niggly
      
      Is Bridges “struggling”? I’ve not noticed, but what I have noticed is the Media are still overwhelming protective of Labour and the clueless airhead PM.
      
      Whilst the Media are still in love with Jacindamania no matter who leads National (Bridges/Collins/Bennett etc) will get no major cut through.
      
      In the meantime whoever leads National needs to speak over the heads of the MSM (which Bridges did successfully with his nationwide tour) and directly to the voters, and come 2020 the MSM will, like they were in 2011 and 2014 especially, completely dumbfounded when the voters “didn’t listen to them”!
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:08am
      - Ross12
        
        “which Bridges did successfully with his nationwide tour”
        Disagree niggly. Holding townhalls ,mainly during the working day, just means you are talking to retirees who probably would vote National anyway.
        If Bridges is going to get anywhere he has to talk to younger “swing” voters.
        I totally agree with you about communicating with voters by going around the MSM but there seems to be little sign of that happening.
        A simple example : I have a friend in the O&G industry. When Bridges and three other National MPs had a meeting in New Plymouth when the issue was “hot” my friend tried to find out what happened. Nothing in the MSM as you would expect but National has my friend’s email address as he has been in contact with Jonathan Young.
        Now how hard would it be to have some assistant collate the emails of those who have shown interest in particular issues so the party could keep them up to date on Party thinking ? It is just a simple data base matter. If they did it that email probably would have been sent around all sorts of people.
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:25am
      - niggly
        
        Hi Ross, always good to hear your views, you make some perfectly good common sense points & hopefully National are listening to them!
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:20am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      The reason we have an opposition is so that they can hit the ground running, not ‘find their feet’.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:38am
      - Komata
        
        Rachel, ideally yes, it should be like that, BUT if Mr Bridges has anything to do with it, it will be no preparation until 2020 appears. He has presented no policies, made no evident preparations to cope with such a possibility, and is apparently in agreement with a lot of what the CoL says. All of which begs the question: Exactly why is he even still in charge? It’s almost as if he doesn’t WANT to do anything which might give the Nats a victory!, White anting comes to mind, and one has to ask why? (Except that no one is).
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:29pm
  - Huevon
    
    I agree. He is being far too soft on JA. Her mode of operating is very passive aggressive, and always full of excuses and justifications for bad decisions and behaviour. National needs someone who isn’t afraid to call out Jacinda’s bullshit. Bridges is playing the “nice guy” act and its getting him nowhere.
    
    We know there is One who can do it…
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:09am
    - CHFR1
      
      Huevon as much as I would like this to be true unfortunately Kiwis are not like American’s and a Trump like figure won’t work.
      The second anyone from National goes after JA it will be played for all it is worth and many of the general public will fall for it. We forget we are plugged into politics but many of our fellow countrymen are not and if the media slices things just right then most won’t bother to find the context.
      All Bridges has to do is keep up the nice guy persona radiate ability and he will cut through. We forget that eventually the media will tire of having to cover up for their chosen one and will turn on her. Made by the media and will be destroyed by the same and it will happen sooner rather than later. If there is one thing I know the media hate being dictated to and H1&2 won’t be able to help themselves they will overstep.
      Add to this the prices rises that will happen to basics and they are stuffed.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:27am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      One of the first things SLG did was accuse Bridges of being shouty shouty and it apppears he has taken that to heart and been whispery whispery ever since.
      Bridges is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
      (No pun intended)
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:08am
    - Albert Thrasher
      
      Sneering, jeering and personal put downs.
      He needs to be more like John Key.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:22am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Judging by Question Time, sneering, jeering and personal put downs are the Labour NZF way.
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:37am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I don’t think that he is playing the nice guy, maybe he just is one.
      Personally I think that he is doing fine and not barking at every passing car.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:40am
      - Albert Thrasher
        
        He’s asleep in his kennel.
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:51am
      - realityczech
        
        “Personally I think that he is doing fine”
        
        And a whopping 9% of people agree with you. (Probably Labour voters having a laugh)
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:42pm
    - suzieq
      
      If Ms Collins takes over, I’m quitting my electorate committee role …
      
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      August 24, 2018 6:12pm
      - Komata
        
        SQ: Why? (Serious question BTW). Thank you.
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:34pm
- artemisia
  
  RadioNZ is big on stories about journalists, journalism and the media. It’s almost as though it is a media outlet fascinated by their own.
  
  Not quite so fascinated by free speech, though it does get the occasional mention when it cannot be avoided.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes they live in their own little bubble world. Totally immune to and insulated from the real world.
    
    Epitimised by the ridiculous Maori intros and now maorification of pronunciations.
    
    Oh Ah Marooo.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:33am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Agreed, I hope that they have the permission of the wife to use Greg Boyed as the poster child for depression. I would imagine that all of this attention is even harder on the family than just dealing with the death.
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:45am
- harrygee
  
  This is not the first time we’re told of “high placed” sources of information buried deep within Parliamentary offices, with National Party leaders as the target. Remember, aside from the Bridges expenses leak, at least two books have been written (and a third likely on the way judging by DPF’s note from DIA yesterday), a “documentary” film produced, a stage play toured, thousands of hours of tv footage and commentary aired, and screeds of column inches published, all dedicated to a flow of internal private material and tasty morsels sourced from within National over at least 15 years now.
  
  There has been much interference run by the mainstream media, NZF, Labour and by National themselves, but it is looking increasingly likely that a few chickens are now coming home to roost. If Bridges now buys into more of this track-covering interference, and seeks to bury things to save some short term embarrassment, based on an “anonymous” text, then he’s doomed and he knows it. The inquiry needs to root out the persons who are responsible and send a very clear message.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:02am
- Harkman
  
  Look National had 9 years to get rid of red radio and didn’t. Now they need to watch and learn from their mistakes. By not closing this sh!t show down they aided their enemies.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  This thing doesn’t add up.
  
  On Morning Report, the claim was the MP did so because of Bridge’s arrogance and this was getting back at him. Apparently, the MP is so fragile this may tip them over the edge, so they send anonymous texts because they are afraid of being found out. Doesn’t add up.
  
  If the person is so fragile, they should be taking leave and already have made themselves known to the whips office. Which means Bridges should know who the person is. Which then begs the question why a public witch hunt in order to air dirty laundry? Any sensible leader does not act in this manner to look strong.
  
  Given to date the National caucas has been so unified, none of this adds up.
  
  So it smacks more of a squirrel from another direction in order to divert attention from the source.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:20am
  - niggly
    
    Yep, and at Bridge’s 9.30am press conference he still couldn’t rule out that the leaker could have come from outside of National.
    
    Interestingly the Police know the identity of the leaker but refuse to advise Bridges.
    
    Is this a good or bad thing? After all any Police investigation is surely independent of the formal QC investigation. Shouldn’t the complainant (Bridges) be told? I mean if “we” went to the Police because something similar happened to one of “us”, surely the Police would tell “us”? Happy to be corrected by those in the know.
    
    But otherwise worse case scenario is we know that Police HQ seem to be beholden to the Govt of the day, so how can the public be confident that Police HQ’s strings aren’t being pulled by the likes of H1/H2 types (etc) to deflect and distract?
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:11am
    - hullkiwi
      
      If the police know, the enquiry under Mallard’s authority will have the power to subpoena the information from Police. Equally, the enquiry will be able to determine who the texts came from, as even with pay as you go phones, payment is via bank card.
      
      So, the person who has leaked, needs to either come forward or fall on their sword and buy an airline ticket to Africa or South America. Because the longer this continues the worse their position will become.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:55am
- KevOB
  
  I think the reason is to take our eyes off the economic situation.
  Overseas, including Australia, its getting pretty exciting. I suspect the COL has just become aware they might be facing difficult problems.
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:20am
  - hullkiwi
    
    That is why we also had big spending annohncements yesterday. It is all about diversion.
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:57am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right KevOB after a little pause the NZ$ has again started to slip down again as the COL are rushing to promote the chips they are throwing around from allocated funding. They are dumb enough to think it will be seen as more spending in the areas where most SJW pressure is coming from.
    After the pre-election suspicions of how bad for NZ the COL could be with a Mud Mob in charge they seem to have been forced to an even lower level by the old drunks mob. Now they are desperate as their latest hit job is backfiring big time with the whole Labour mob grabbing a paddle as their round boat rotates in ever decreasing circles.
    
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    August 24, 2018 2:57pm
Maxx

Let me start off by saying I am against the Waka Jumping Bill.

However, it seems like a simple solution to prove that it is not all about Winston and/or the leader having too much power is changing “the leader and 2/3 of party members” to “2/3 of party members”.

Of course this will not happen as Winston will be forced to keep looking over his shoulder although it would be amusing to see his party not only roll him as leader but oust him at the same time!
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August 24, 2018 8:37am
- holysheet
  
  I think the nats will be voting for the WJB if it turns out the leaker of Bridges info is a national MP.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:40am
- pdm
  
  Maxx have you looked at the NZFirst Caucus?
  
  There is nothing in the way of motivated, vibrant people there let alone any with the balls to take on Winston. They are a bunch of yes sir, no sir, how high sir sycophants.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:46am
- tas
  
  It’s worse than that. The requirement in the bill is that “the parliamentary leader of that party confirms that at least two-thirds of the parliamentary members of that party agree”. There is no requirement that a vote be held on the matter! Winston could just assert that 2/3 of his caucus agree with him and be taken on his word. This is an atrociously bad bill.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:51am
softail 1450

Is the leaker N S ?
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August 24, 2018 8:37am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I strongly doubt that. Whatever one may think of Smith, he usually has the courage to put his name to things, even when that comes with a cost. And in recent weeks he has been one of National’s best performers in the House, leading the attacks on the Waka-jumping Bill.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:43am
- holysheet
  
  No shit?
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:43am
Souvlaki

Wrt breaking news re ” leak” I smell a rat. Likely Labour party dirty politics brigade behind this fiasco!
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August 24, 2018 8:37am
- Sam_Bro
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  You’re delusional
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:40am
- Muttonbird
  
  Apparently this second leaker has intimate knowledge of National caucus meeting discussions so I’d say that is unlikely.
  
  My pick is Slater, taking the fall for Judith Collins.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Where’s the evidence?
    From what RNZ has been told, the texter included information about caucus conversations over several weeks to prove they were a National MP.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364808/leak-saga-reveals-a-party-with-serious-internal-problems
    All looks very 2nd-hand speculation to me.
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:48am
    - Inandout
      
      Red Radio hates National.
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:52am
      - MCos
        
        I don’t think any news organisation in NZ ‘hates’ any of the major parties.
        None of their reporters are ever locked up or harassed.
        Some of the people might disagree with their policies, but others take adifferent viewpoint.
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:07am
    - SGA
      
      I imagine that we will find out more at 9:30 when Bridges speaks?
      
      Until then, people talking about conspiracies involving Radio NZ, Speaker’s office, the government, whatever, seems premature?
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:04am
      - Sam_Bro
        
        MPs are held to higher standards than normal people. At leasts that what standing orders say or there abouts. You’d think that any MP texting the speaker of the house threatening self harm would be arrested and sent straight to the loony bin. But then again National MPs are special.
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:12am
      - GazzaW
        
        At least you got the last sentence right Sam.
        
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        August 24, 2018 3:37pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Agree. The leak and secret text with throw away phone. Lols. Someone’s been watching too many movies. Agree. Dirty politics. Doesn’t even make sense that it’s inside National. $100k doing your job was a stupid leak anyways. He wasn’t having boozy dinners or buying designer undies – it was transport costs for an opposition road show to meet the people in the regions. My bet is on opposition dirty politics too.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:46am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I agree, it is someone in the COL taking the opportunity to muckrake in the hope of destabilising National. Nasty little lefties can’t help themselves.
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:55am
    - sooty
      
      Can’t even protect their own young members at the sex camp!
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:08am
      - Harkman
        
        Yes according to One News, Donald Trump funding his own campaign is more of a news worthy crime than the Labour sex fiend, who is an MPs son. Spot who has a lack of bias.?
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:17am
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Are you guys “social justice warriors?” I ask because I find overly kind is what social justice warriors use to control.
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:32am
    - Flash
      
      I get the feeling that “the text” s a diversion from the real problem: the leaker. THAT person needs to be outed, and the reporter (?O’Brien) should lose her job for making public a matter which, if she had any knowledge of the ethics of her profession, she would have kept to herself . She was complicit in breaking national security, albeit in a minor matter.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:08am
  - krazykiwi
    
    $100k doing your job was a stupid leak anyways. He wasn’t having boozy dinners or buying designer undies – it was transport costs for an opposition road show to meet the people in the regions
    
    Exactly. That ‘story’ has been given oxygen is, sadly, a sign of Bridges’ lack of leadership. The right response would have a nonchalant, its-my-job, followed by a instant refocus on any one of the 100s of batshit crazy things this government is doing to wreck the country.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:49am
Keeping Stock

I’ve heard that Winston Peters has offered to step in and lead the Coalition, given his stellar performance leading a Coalition in New Zealand.
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August 24, 2018 8:37am
- pdm
  
  Seems fair Inv and would raise the intellect of both Parliaments.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:49am
  - sooty
    
    Nah! Julie Bishop would have his balls in her pocket!
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:11am
lifesgood

Some nutter, claiming to be a national insider, is begging to have the enquiry into Bridges expenses leak dropped because he/she, i.e. the leaker,has mental problems and might get pushed over the edge. What a crock! If this self proclaimed national mp ( claims to have been at caucus meetings) is that fragile he should not be an mp…end of. Sounds more like a member of the col to me, terrified of being found out.
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August 24, 2018 8:38am
- KevOB
  
  Where’s the evidence that the so called nutter even exists or that this is not a planted story without any substance?
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:26am
duggledog

Trump orders his S of S Pompeo to do a ‘close study’ on the South African government’s plans to take white farmers’ land without proper compensation.

I can do one for free right now.

Get in there however you can my son because that country has many valuable resources and if the United States don’t the Chicoms will, in less than a few years when it all collapses.
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August 24, 2018 8:38am
- cmm
  
  Resources are not valuable in their own right. They are only valuable when you apply brainpower and engineering.
  
  Oil was that muck that seeped through the ground and polluted water and poisoned cattle – until someone figured out how to refine it and use it for various uses.
  
  Mining (what South Africa has) needs massive capital investment. The gold is not on the surface like NZ. Most of it is kilometers deep. Why go invest in digging a mine when the buggers will just come and either nationalise it (like Venezuela) or demand huge kickbacks (like the current South African president).
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:51am
- Scott
  
  Trump is the only politician in the world that will stand up for white people. Everyone else worries about being called “racist”. And with this move Trump will be denounced by the hard left as pandering to white supremacy.
  
  But Trump is right to stand up for white farmers in South Africa. Their land is being taken off them, the government is just confiscating their property. White farmers are being killed by bands of marauding Blacks seemingly every week.
  
  Trump is quite right to speak up. And South Africa needs to get itself together. Because once you start taking away private property and you don’t uphold the rule of law and you don’t protect all your citizens then you are well on the way to becoming a Third World s*** hole.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:51am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes the Democrats simply hate white people, except white people who also hate white people.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:19am
    - stephieboy
      
      Harkam, like the Clinton family and former VP?
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:32am
      - Harkman
        
        Yes exactly.
        
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        August 24, 2018 11:18am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Any rational thinking person should be disgusted by the ADLs reaction in labelling Trumps concerns a “white supremicist conspiracy theory”
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/adl-skewers-trump-for-tweet-on-white-south-african-conspiracy-theory/
    
    If it was Jewish farmers being slaughtered in South Africa, the ADL would be screaming ‘Holocaust’ and demanding military action.
    
    The ADL is lying, racist, anti-white organisation that covers for genocide.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:22am
    - sam green
      
      Who’s being “slaughtered”?
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:28am
      - Scott
        
        https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5749177674001
        
        “White farmers in South Africa being killed at the rate of more than one per week”
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:44am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Are you Jewish by any chance Samuel Greenberg?
        
        Because whenever I see people on twitter making apologia for the massacre of white people they always turn out to be Jewish, why is this?
        
        People like this:
        
        https://mobile.twitter.com/jessicaschulb/status/1032455220410765312
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:53am
      - sam green
        
        EAD where did I make any apologies in my post?
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO, white African farmers are not being slaughtered and just how this conspiracy theory stacks up against your Jew and holocaust denial theory.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:29am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Sam Green and Stephiegoy – shame on you you “deniers”
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:37am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Do you have a reference to support that claim?
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:17am
      - Huevon
        
        You don’t know when to stop do you, you dumb fuck. I have South African relatives, two of whom (husband and wife) were murdered. Anyone who thinks there isn’t a crime wave perpetrated against whites in SA is wilfully blind. Full credit to Pres Trump for calling this out
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:40am
- Komata
  
  Dd: Have to agree; Zim is but one example. The Chinese have definite form in such matters. Oh, and BTW, they’re also doing it here, although the product is slightly different…
  
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  August 24, 2018 7:41pm
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With all the shame and hurt over Winston choosing Labour over National it’s now become clear why Winston had to make that choice. Simon Bridges is just a little Bill English who absolutely blew it on climate change. The rest is just a side issue for the real issue that The National Party lost its sole when it went willingly into the neoliberal agenda, deregulation, debt, labour law reform. Send another opposition leader because the last ones broke.
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August 24, 2018 8:38am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  And we are to believe your barely legible ramblings on this, because???
  
  I think you’ll find the majority of thinking grown ups who normally vote center right are grateful labour took the pensioner off our hands.
  
  Most people dont vote based on climate change / global warming (whatever its being called now) unless they are stupid enough to think the greens arent actually reds.
  
  And national are about as ‘neolib’ (however you seek to define that) as my arse.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:28am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Actually its more because Winston and Labour are closely aligned. Both are economic vandals.
  Ardern is vaucous whereas Winston is senile so same cognitive outcome.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:42am
holysheet

Two women were talking, one said ” Do you look at your husband’s face when you’re having sex”?
The other one replied “I did once and he threatened to beating the shit out of me”
“Why was that”? asked the first woman.
The other replied “Because he was outside looking through the fucking window”
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August 24, 2018 8:39am
secondcumming

From the *you couldn’t make this shit up* file…..

The NZH reports:
‘A Ratana Church Minister,(56), is facing six charges of sexually assaulting a boy under the age of 12……..the alleged offender has been named as (wait for it) :

BRASS BOYBOY.
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August 24, 2018 8:46am
- Inandout
  
  Not white, move on please.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brass Bands are pretty important in the Ratana faith
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/43250/ratana-brass-band-ratana-pa-january-2007
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nak0f01vYSY
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:55am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Managed to find the link:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12112197
  
  They really buried it compared to what would have happened if he was Catholic or any other disfavoured group.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:02am
lastmanstanding

Should I be worried that our Government are signing away the citizens sovereignty.
I refer specifically to the Paris Agreement and the Agreement around immigration and refugees.

Both have the potential to adversely impact on the economic prosperity of existing citizens.

The Paris Agreement will result in greater taxes and levies being paid by citizens for no up lift in their economic position and the immigration and refugee agreement will result in them paying more taxes and levies and suffering even more housing problems and traffic congestion.

Are both part of the UN One World Government that a former PM and the current PM are supporters of.
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August 24, 2018 8:47am
- waikatogirl
  
  Richard Harman interviewed on TV3 this morning discussing the Australian leadership race referred to Peter Dutton as a “troglodyte” for stating he would withdraw Austalia from the Paris Agreement and wanting to stabilise Australia’s population.
  Peter Dutton is clearly not a lefty and is not kowtowing to the socialist message.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:04am
  - Harkman
    
    Interesting, so you look through historical Australian gdp data and annual rates of 3%-5% are more common than any other developed country, yet over the last 3-4 years 2% has become the norm. Kyoto-type agreements are worth 1-1.5% pa and the Aussies have seen what Trump has done and realised they want the old ways back, Turnbull is finished.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:26am
  - Jack5
    
    Harman on Australian politics?
    
    Hope he’s got more clues on that than he has on NZ politics.
    
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    August 24, 2018 11:17am
- Albert_Ross
  
  “Signing away citizens’ sovereignty” is a weak and illogical reason to oppose these two agreements “specifically”. All international agreements entail Governments “signing away citizens’ sovereignty”. If that is your concern about these agreements then you should also be concerned about all of the other international agreements that successive Governments have signed New Zealand up to.
  
  You are better off arguing on the basis that in the case of these two agreements, the costs to New Zealand exceed the benefits.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:29am
- wiseowl
  
  Lastman.
  Probably the two most important issues at the present time.
  The UN Compact on Migration should be exposed for what it is by the opposition but all our MP’s seem incapable of comprehending the serious implications of this document along with the Paris money sucking agreement.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:52am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    but all our MP’s seem incapable of comprehending the serious implications
    
    Oh they do comprehend Wiseowl.
    
    The thing that is not being comprehended is by the normal Joe on the street. We are witness to the a long running episode of the greatest betrayal in the history of humankind but said average Joe is too fixated on sport, reality TV and their “dumb phones” to care until it is going to be too late.
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2018/07/for-our-children-and-our-childrens.html?m=1
    
    It’s the go-to political cliche for every opportunistic charlatan seeking to win support for whatever wheeze he has in mind. ‘For our children, and our children’s children….’. But actually the concept has often crossed my own mind when I consider the NWO globalist threat posed to my country and the West in general. Because this threat, destroying our heritage, ethnic solidarity and the family structure on which both are based, will not really affect me given my age. The same cannot be said for my children, and my children’s children. I dread to think what their world will be like say in another twenty to thirty years
    
    In fact that world will surely, if present trends continue, be terrible for all Whites, even the so-called elites leading the destruction. Surely Europe’s most powerful leaders must share my concerns to some degree? Well no………………
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:01am
Inandout

Mental problems has been in the news of late.
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August 24, 2018 8:48am
Tom Barker

I’m starting to question whether Trump always hires the best people. Can anyone reassure me on this point?
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August 24, 2018 8:56am
- SGA
  
  Maybe they are the best when he hires them, but then something happens to them after they have been hired. That at least would fit the available evidence.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:06am
Dave Stringer

Can anyone suggest a reason for the hearald on-line putting the same picture at least twice on every page?
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August 24, 2018 8:57am
- marcw
  
  Trained and skilled journalism at work. Does anyone still pay for this?
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:07am
- RalphT
  
  Probably because it’s cheaper than hiring a journalist. And unlike journalists, photos rarely lie.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:07am
  - sooty
    
    You look thru and they are always repeating the same article even next to them selves and repeat the the same shit for three weeks. I supose it must fill up the rag. Maybe if they hired journilist it might help.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:17am
- VicParking
  
  The Hearld on line has been put together on the Cheap. Its not apple friendly, pencil wont work, right swipe wont work, a lot of videos wont work.
  Its seems that the system for loading articles has no audit features, double ups show this. Most stories are just cut and paste from overseas newspapers.
  Whole sections are just advertising in disguise. Video all have adverts without a skip advert function. I could go on but my beers getting flat.
  
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  August 24, 2018 11:25am
DigNap15

Good on Trump for mentioning the White Farmers of South Africa.
The world needs to impose sanctions on SA right
now.
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August 24, 2018 9:05am
- Lance
  
  Agreed
  I don’t like many of the things Trump does (actually more what he says).
  However calling out shit like this is good, as was standing up to that little shit from North Korea and relocating the US embassy to Israel in Jerusalem.
  Tax cuts were good as well.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    tax cuts that are tracking towards an $800B deficit 4.5% of GDP, slightly higher than (very good) 4% GDP growth. That is going to sink the US in long term.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:22am
    - Lance
      
      OK, strike Tax Cuts off the list of Trump achievements
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:26am
      - VicParking
        
        No. Has meant more investment, more jobs and in the long term that will reduce the defict. National could not have proposed tax cuts and used the money to pay down debt. What would that have done to the ecomony? Labour removed the tax cuts and pissed the money away. We can see what thats doing to the ecomony. Trumps a good business man.
        
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        August 24, 2018 11:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    Lance , you forgot to add Manafort and Cohen to the list the President has bagged and those he has shagged.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:25am
    - Harkman
      
      When did Manafort commit these crimes?
      
      Cohen has been set up by Clinton man, Lanny Davis to do time for something that isn’t a crime.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        Harkman, details on the setup and that Davis is or was a Democrat is a spurious one ?
        
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        August 24, 2018 10:57am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Bagged and shagged? Really?
      Trump has bagged and/or shagged Manafort?
      You have evidence of this?
      Trump has used strong words to describe Cohen, but you are the first person to suggest Trump has shagged Cohen or any male for that matter.
      Can you back up your claim?
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:39am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Shame on the Jews for violently opposing Trump and labelling him a conspiracy theorist:
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/adl-skewers-trump-for-tweet-on-white-south-african-conspiracy-theory/
    
    Around 70,000 farmers have been killed since apartheid, with one being killed every five days.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:26am
    - Lance
      
      What… did dem Joos shoot someone to oppose Trump?
      If not, then why the idiotic statement “Shame on the Jews for violently opposing Trump ”
      What violence????
      Someone wrote an article, agreed a rather silly article.
      Also you seem to rather moronicly be saying all Jews agree on what one of them writes.
      Good grief, that would mean all NZers agree with Minto in that case.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:31am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Actually Lancey mate, it was an ADL press release promoted in the Times of Israel…
        
        Jewish Telegraph Agency is also running it:
        
        https://www.jta.org/2018/08/23/top-headlines/trump-tweets-a-white-nationalist-talking-point-and-is-skewered-by-the-adl
        
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        August 24, 2018 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, around 70,000 farmers?
      
      Citation please?
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO, including the Jews in the President’s cabinet?
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Lance, only to the wealthy. Trump’s rust belt and blue-collar constituency got virtually nothing.
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:59am
    - VicParking
      
      Except jobs and pay rises dick you headed goat shagger
      
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      August 24, 2018 11:33am
  - calendar girl
    
    Lance at 9:13am above, it sounds as though you do like plenty of things that Trump does, as I do, including the significant lift in the US economy since his election.
    
    There are plenty of msm ‘journalists’ out there who make their living criticising Trump for everything that he says or does. Don’t interpret their negativity as a realistic measure of public opinion – remember that their opinion polls got it all wrong at Presidential Election time too, when they were astonished that Hillary Clinton was beaten by Trump.
    
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    August 24, 2018 12:26pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I assume we are going to respond to their institutionalised racism by refusing to play sport against them. Lots of people think that worked really well in the past. There’s a rugby test scheduled here in three weeks so we’d better advise them of the cancellation fairly soon.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:46am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Phil Goff is gathering his spit in readiness.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:53am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Isn’t he forbidding them to appear at a council owned facility?
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:24am
secondcumming

How do other prison inmates treat ‘granny rapists’ inside?

This from the NZH:

A Foxton man, Kally Joseph Taylor, 39, has been sentenced to *Preventive Detention* for the sexual assault and rape of a 71 year old woman in Palmerston North.

Taylor first entered the woman’s home in October last year….he gagged and bound her with a scarf before pushing her onto a bed, pulling her legs apart, and smelling her crotch. He then stole her credit cards and escaped in her car.

Taylor returned to her house some months later, where he then raped her before again escaping in her car. After this second attack, Taylor was finally arrested a few days later…… he has *33 previous convictions* for sexual assault and burglary.

Read it and weep…….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12112356
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August 24, 2018 9:14am
- Lance
  
  I suppose shit for brains Little claims this is another vehicle offence inmate?
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:24am
  - RF
    
    Nah…. no drivers licence. Bad Crim…
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:17pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  So three strikes would have saved the community 31 sexual assault and burglary crimes, including this latest depravity.
  
  What say you Little?
  Explain to this victim why you would allow 33 previous convictions before you throw they key away for bastards like this?
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  How do other prison inmates treat ‘granny rapists’ inside?
  
  Not well. Kiddy-fiddlers and those who rape or murder grannies are the lowest of the low in the prison pecking order.
  
  I suspect Taylor will end up in the sex offenders unit at Whanganui Prison, where he will share facilities with paedophiles, inmates in witness protection and imprisoned police officers. I used to go there to help with church services for the inmates, and it is the most soul-destroying and chilling place. These inmates are kept segregated from other inmates for their own protection as they would be quickly targeted if they were in the general prison population.
  
  Taylor may however find that his crime is so bad that even some of the “protected” inmates will decide to take matters into their own hands. He had better get used to his own company, because he is going to be spending a lot of time on lock-down.
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:57am
  - secondcumming
    
    Cheers for that KS…..interesting stuff.
    
    Although it sounds like this piece of filth will probably take matters into HIS OWN hands anyway….. I see he was first convicted back in 2001 for masturbating in public.
    
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    August 24, 2018 12:47pm
fluffykiwi

So is a burner phone as confidential as they show in all the “movies”. Are they identifiable and therefore Do they have tracking in them.
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August 24, 2018 9:21am
- Fletch
  
  I suspect not if you use one of those basic flip-phone style phones that the supermarkets sell which only does calls and texts.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:28am
  - rangitoto
    
    They still have to be registered with a Telco. Aren’t they required to have user info on any registered sim card?
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:16am
    - marcw
      
      Not in NZ.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:21am
      - VicParking
        
        But you can’t buy them with cash you have to use a card, I understand
        
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        August 24, 2018 11:36am
- SPC
  
  Bridges says police know who sent the message and they are getting the mental health help they need – but Bridges does not know who this person is.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:50am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Wow, what a great all-purpose get-out-of-jail-free card for bad behaviour. This is going to become a common pattern.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:58am
- krazykiwi
  
  Every cellphone is trackable. Your phone (and even the old bricks) are connected to multiple (3-10) cell towers simultaneously and the signal strength with each is measured. Using this info, and overlaying cell tower location and terrain it’s possible to pinpoint a phone’s location. Police and SIS do this all the time.
  
  The confidential bit relates to identification of the purchaser of a pre-paid SIM. In many countries now you must produce a passport in order to by a pre-paid SIM. Where this isn’t required, it’s difficult to associate a user with a device. Unless they’re also carrying their main phone with them, and both phones can be tracked on the same course over a period of time
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:57am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Yep – in Kuwait I had to show my ID to buy a pre-pay SIM card, in NZ I just bought one from a shop for cash. Vodafone knew who was using my Kuwaiti phone but not my NZ one.
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:03am
    - MCos
      
      In Hanoi I bought one from an old lady sitting on the footpath for about $US5. She had a bundle held together with a rubber band.
      It last for the week we were there including two or three calls back to NZ.
      
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      August 24, 2018 10:21am
DJ Ward

Just when you thought Holywood couldn’t get any weirder we get this.

#MeToo superstar activist gets caught out having underage sex with a boy.

It gets worse. She has an excuse. She was raped but didn’t report it as she felt sorry for him. This is of course the automatic response to any woman found to have had sex with a boy and is very efficient in getting not guilty verdicts. A recent case in NZ is a fine example with a resulting not guilty.
What affect did this have on her partner who suicided?

What amazes me is the culture of sex then extortion for money in Holywood. Even Bieber was a target until she realised she committed a crime if she did have sex with him. Red blooded males like Trump just become easy targets for financial predators. Note the rush to the lawyers office once he announced his candidacy. How many, hundreds if not thousands of other such extorted hush money payments are there that we don’t know about.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/106527889/metoo-actress-asia-argento-now-admits-to-sex-with-underage-boy-in-leaked-texts
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August 24, 2018 9:30am
- Psycho Milt
  
  What amazes me is the culture of sex then extortion for money in Holywood.
  
  It amazes you that people who treat sex as a transaction can find the tables turned on them? What exactly is surprising about it?
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:00am
SPC

The burner phone message is quite possibly a squirrel (suggesting Collins leaked via Slater to the media), to provide cover for the actor or to end the investigation for other reasons.

There is more than one reason why a National MP would not want their communications scrutinised.
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August 24, 2018 9:32am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Is that why Winston Peters refused to allow his computer to be forensically examined last week?
  
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  August 24, 2018 11:00am
Inandout

Simon speaks in an old time Barry Crump way.
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August 24, 2018 9:35am
- Sam_Bro
  
  A national MP is suffering the effects of long term mental illness and no one picked it up until now. Amazing.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:39am
  - rangitoto
    
    SLG isn’t a National MP.
    
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    August 24, 2018 10:18am
Simon

SH1 NORTHERN MWY, SOUTHBOUND – 7:45AM
Please allow a little extra time citybound on the Northern Mwy this morning with minor delays due to ducks crossing near Tristram Ave

https://twitter.com/NZTAAkl/status/1032718790205878272

A train or tram would have crushed them.
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August 24, 2018 9:38am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  LTSA need to shift the ‘duck crossing’ sign
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:11am
Manolo

stephieboy, ardent fan of goats and Mr Trump, is getting excited:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2018/08/23/cnn-msnbc-say-impeachment-222-times-one-day

MRC analysts examined all CNN and MSNBC coverage between 6:00 a.m. and 11:59 p.m. on August 22, counting every use of the word “impeach,” “impeachment,” or some permutation thereof. Analysts found 114 instances of the term on MSNBC and 108 on CNN, for a total of 222 total uses of the word.
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August 24, 2018 9:38am
- Inandout
  
  And they said Clinton Foundation not once.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:44am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, the media are very far from being objective and just reporting the facts. They hate Trump and are eager for any excuse to report negatively on him or to find anything he might be guilty of. Trump won’t be impeached. Even Former Clinton-appointed FEC Chairman Bradley Smith has mentioned that no laws were broken. He said,
  
  “When the FEC wrote the regulation that says what constitutes campaign expenditures and what constitutes personal use, it rejected specifically the idea that a campaign expenditure was anything related to a campaign, and instead says it has to be something that exists only because of the campaign and solely for that reason.”
  
  https://www.newswars.com/former-fec-chairman-cohen-payment-did-not-violate-campaign-finance-law/
  
  The closest example we have of precedent is when Democrat John Edwards was accused of soliciting nearly $1 million from two wealthy donors from 2007 to 2008 and using that money to cover up his affair with Rielle Hunter while running for president. He was tried and eventually acquitted.
  
  He was a Democrat though, which probably makes a difference…
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:44am
  - SPC
    
    Trump’s defence is that he routinely pays off women to keep his affairs private, thus he and his lawyer had a longstanding methodology for this – with the contingency built into the lawyers funding.
    
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    August 24, 2018 9:55am
    - Inandout
      
      He is a rich white heterosexual, and that is unacceptable.
      
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      August 24, 2018 9:59am
  - VicParking
    
    I supose they think its a small step from fucking the voters to fucking a porno star?
    
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    August 24, 2018 11:40am
KevinH

Simon has advised the media that he does not know the identity of the leaker and that the Police inquiry will be continuing.
There are well being issues to consider, the text Simon received alluded to the leaker having mental health issues which has been confirmed by the Police.
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August 24, 2018 9:48am
Fletch

Libs are furious that Sweden’s public broadcaster, SVT, revealed stats showing that 58 percent of rapes are committed by foreigners, and stranger rapes are around 80 percent committed by foreigners.

Assignment review mapping of judgments in district court shows that:

• 58 percent of those convicted of rape and attempted rape over the past five years were born abroad. 

• If you only look at attempted and completed assault violence – where the victim and the perpetrator do not know each other – the figure is even higher. More than eight out of ten convicted offenders were born in another country. 40 percent of these have been in Sweden for a year or less.

• The survey also shows that over half of the convicted offenders were born outside of Europe – 427 out of 843. Nearly 40 percent were born in the Middle East or Africa. In the case of assault violence, 97 out of 129 are born outside of Europe.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/granskning/ug/ny-kartlaggning-av-valdtaktsdomar-58-procent-av-de-domda-fodda-utomlands

Translated by Google
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August 24, 2018 9:53am
Fletch

Lauren Southern is making a new documentary called ‘Borderless’ and wants donations to fund it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxfUW6tqrhc
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August 24, 2018 9:56am
- burt
  
  I’ll slip her a hundy toward it !
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:46am
Manolo

Violent African invaders;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6089661/300-migrants-storm-border-Spanish-enclave-Ceuta-North-Africa-throw-acid-police.html

Around 300 migrants have stormed fences separating Spain’s North African enclave of Ceuta from Morocco – with 116 of them making it onto European soil.

Seven policemen were burned by acid and quicklime, a skin irritant, allegedly thrown by some of the migrants as they over-ran border defences, Spanish police said.
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August 24, 2018 9:59am
Fletch

MacroBusiness in Australia says that Australia has “gone completely feral”.

Parliament has been shut down by the government –

There you have it. The house has voted to adjourn. Parliament is done for another two weeks, at least.

They’ve won 70-68.

We only just crept past midday.

The house will now be adjourned until 10 September. Labor are yelling abuse at the government.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/australia-goes-completely-feral/
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August 24, 2018 10:05am
DigNap15

Maori Vocabulary Lesson no 14
Todays word that I wanted to cover is
Consistent.
But unfortunately its not in my Maori Dictionary
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August 24, 2018 10:41am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap5 ,
  
  try this online dictionary which will give many of the answers you are missing,
  
  http://maoridictionary.co.nz
  
  BTW your point is ..?
  
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  August 24, 2018 10:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I put consistent in that link and this is what I got:
    http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=consistent
    
    25 meanings… that had nothing to do with consistent..i.e. . names of countries, plants, shellfish, a word for “umlaut”, a circular carving pattern…..
    
    Williams Dictionary of the Maori Language gives
    rite as the adjective for like, alike, corresponding, balanced by an equivalent.
    
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    August 24, 2018 11:16am
    - KevOB
      
      “Rite” is a transliteration of “like”. it is even more dubious without a preceding vowel.
      However Polynesia has a root word appearing in Maori as waka/whaka which is used as a modifier doing that task. Hence Whakarewarewa–like extremely hot (boiling) . Rewa is duplicated forming a plural to make the point that it’s more than regular hot.
      
      We should stop trying to anglicise Maori: the language would be swamped with transliterations.
      Add grammar variants to English forms and we have roughly bad English. Another complication is that Maori has a different pronoun set reflecting familial relationships. We could get a pidgin hodgepodge very easy. No one would gain and teaching children would be more difficult.
      
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      August 24, 2018 12:35pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Japanese is “swamped” with transliterations in many technical fields. (Not so in the legal profession or in ordinary non-technical areas.)
        
        There is no problem.
        
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        August 24, 2018 2:19pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  The Māori word for “consistent” is ōrite. Seriously, take some lessons or something, you’re just making yourself look stupid.
  
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  August 24, 2018 11:59am
  - KevOB
    
    The noun form of “like”.
    Nothing like the meanings that surround the English “consistent”.
    
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    August 24, 2018 12:38pm
  - DigNap15
    
    No, I am just referring to the printed Maori dictionary I have.
    These online dictionaries full of made up and loan words have only been around for the last 20 years or so.
    
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    August 24, 2018 12:52pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Do you have reason to assume that your printed Māori dictionary is thoroughly comprehensive? Most of the printed Māori dictionaries I’ve seen have been a subset of the language, because compiling a comprehensive dictionary is a fucking big job requiring a sizable team of people, and NZ publishers generally aren’t in a position to fund that. What you’re doing is like me taking my mother’s little 5th form German dictionary from 1953 and posting here every day pointing out the words that aren’t in it and claiming that this demonstrates what a primitive language German is. Stop making a fool of yourself.
      
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      August 24, 2018 6:51pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Your use of ōrite to mean “consistent” may be a little too simplistic. The word appears closer to ‘equal’ or ‘matching’ in a physical sense (e.g. a dead-heat in a game) rather than (say) consistent in one’s thoughts or actions. The word ōrite is also associated with measuring devices, such as a level or a set of weighing scales.
    
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    August 24, 2018 12:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Again, if we go to Williams: A Dictionary of the Maori Language we find
      
      hōrite = whārite , ōrite…. and as an adjective means
      like, equal.
      
      As a verb, it means:
      1. measure, compare,
      2. equalise
      
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      August 24, 2018 1:41pm
Manolo

The Trojan horse, aka Turnbull, is politically dying:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/malcolm-turnbull-to-resign-as-prime-minister-ahead-of-leadership-battle-between-dutton-bishop-and-morrison-20180824-p4zzga.html
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August 24, 2018 10:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

High Court rules against MPI.
Fruitgrowers look like they can keep their imported stocks.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2018/08/mpi-order-to-destroy-stonefruit-ruled-unlawful.html
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August 24, 2018 11:28am
- sooty
  
  Compo?
  
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  August 24, 2018 4:55pm
Fletch

Could the Herald be thinking of trying a paywall again? Would anyone pay?

Publisher NZME has reported a 52 per cent loss in profit after tax in its half year results, to $3.7 million and will steam ahead on its plan to put up a paywall for its “premium” content.

NZME, which owns the New Zealand Herald, also reported a drop in revenue of 3 per cent, to $185.7m. This time last year the company’s profits were at $7.8m.

The company has also signalled it will put up a paywall around some of its “premium” online content in the second half of 2018, with the aim to grow new revenue streams.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106499453/nzme-reports-52-per-cent-decline-in-profits-in-half-year-results
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August 24, 2018 11:37am
Fletch

Full page ad in the Herald by ‘Rainbow Youth’ basically showing a page full of people (who I supposed are supposed to be famous New Zealanders) wearing black t-shirts that depict a skull and what looks like a Jason ‘Friday The 13th’ hockey mask connected by a rainbow and circled by – slices of pizza? (Yes, it is sponsored by Hell Pizza).

Yeh, what this horror show has to do with gay youth is beyond me, also.

One of the quotes on the page – “we wear this t-shirt because we want to nurture a world of acceptance, respect and love beyond limitations for our children”.

Nope, I still don’t get how wearing a horror show of a t-shirt does that.
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August 24, 2018 11:50am
Fletch

The govt is going to bail out AUT and other institutes –

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/106517391/poor-financial-health-sees-government-stump-up-with-cash-for-whitireia-unitec
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August 24, 2018 12:00pm
- RalphT
  
  Unitec, not AUT. I think you’ll find that AUT’s books are in reasonably good shape, unlike the majority of the polytechs.
  
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  August 24, 2018 1:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    Where the buck stops at Whitireia. Its governing council:
    
    https://whitireia.ac.nz/about-us/leadership-and-governance/combined-council/
    
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    August 24, 2018 2:16pm
Manolo

Turnbull’s last hours as PM:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/solicitor-general-finds-peter-dutton-is-not-incapable-of-sitting-in-parliament-20180824-p4zzhi.html

The Solicitor-General has found Peter Dutton “is not incapable” of sitting in Parliament, following questions surrounding his constitutional eligibility.

Attorney-General Christian Porter asked the Solicitor General, Stephen Donaghue QC, to prepare an advice on Mr Dutton’s eligibility, thrown into question this week after questions arose over the former immigration minister’s eligibility under section 44 of the constitution.
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August 24, 2018 12:07pm
- Jack5
  
  If the new Aust PM is Dutton, here’s the furnace that’s made him such a tough character:
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-heinous-crime-that-defined-the-policing-career-of-peter-dutton-20180823-p4zzf0.html
  
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  August 24, 2018 12:15pm
- wiseowl
  
  And now Turnbull is stuffing around again.The petition shown to the whip and Turnbull says he wants to see all the names.
  Absolute tosser.
  Gripping coverage on ch 85
  
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  August 24, 2018 1:27pm
Manolo

Almost 300 years old and counting!
https://apnews.com/9fdc2cbb3cbf4326963d725e6d2e06ec

Nevertheless, Pelosi says she’s not going anywhere — and certainly not while President Donald Trump is in the White House.

“This is not anything to make a big fuss over, it’s politics,” Pelosi said in a 35-minute phone interview with The Associated Press. “I can take the heat and that’s why I stay in the kitchen.”
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August 24, 2018 12:18pm
Fletch

Since it is National Poetry Day here in NZ, I thought I’d post a poem – but, a good old one.

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

~ by Percy Bysshe Shelley
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August 24, 2018 12:18pm
Jack5

When NZ’s population keeps rising, surprise is surprising when something’s “the highest since records began”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12112773
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August 24, 2018 12:18pm
Fletch

And another short one for National Poetry Day –

Go from me. Yet I feel that I shall stand
Henceforward in thy shadow. Nevermore
Alone upon the threshold of my door
Of individual life, I shall command
The uses of my soul, nor lift my hand
Serenely in the sunshine as before,
Without the sense of that which I forbore—
Thy touch upon the palm. The widest land
Doom takes to part us, leaves thy heart in mine
With pulses that beat double. What I do
And what I dream include thee, as the wine
Must taste of its own grapes. And when I sue
God for myself, He hears that name of thine,
And sees within my eyes the tears of two.

~ Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Sonnet VI, Sonnets From The Portuguese
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August 24, 2018 12:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  High Country Weather
  – James K. Baxter
  
  Alone we are born
  and die alone;
  Yet see the red-gold cirrus
  over snow-mountain shine.
  
  Upon the upland road
  Ride easy, stranger:
  Surrender to the sky
  Your heart of anger.
  
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  August 24, 2018 1:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Pretty good, Stephie X.
    
    Here’s one from Spike Milligan:
    
    A Silly Poem
    
    Said Hamlet to Ophelia,
    I’ll draw a sketch of thee,
    What kind of pencil shall I use?
    2B or not 2B?
    
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    August 24, 2018 2:22pm
JibberJabber

Reality does indeed win, not so much its namesake,
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/just-in-reality-winner-gets-more-than-5-years-in-prison-for-leaking-classified-document-to-news-outlet/
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August 24, 2018 12:29pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  What kind of stupid name is that?
  
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  August 24, 2018 2:23pm
dime

headline:

“New Zealand suicide rate highest since records began ”

Didnt that moron Prime Minister of ours say she was going to get suicides to zero???

First year of her in charge we have the most suicides ever ffs
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August 24, 2018 12:38pm
- Longknives
  
  Yes but Dime those poor souls committed suicide because of the ‘Pressure Cauldron’ previous nine years under National…
  
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  August 24, 2018 12:41pm
- rangitoto
  
  Yeah but it must be nine years of neglect.
  
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  August 24, 2018 12:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  dime, not sure if she did but a citaion would be useful?
  
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  August 24, 2018 1:16pm
  - dime
    
    once you start with citations, i will.
    
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    August 24, 2018 1:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She said “The target’s gotta be zero”
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-targets-gotta-zero-jacinda-ardern-talks-being-personally-touched-suicide-during-mental-health-speech
  
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  August 24, 2018 1:48pm
Longknives

So let me get this straight- Grid Girls are ‘Degrading’ and ‘Sexist’ and must be banned! But apparently hordes of drunk women fondling naked blokes at Male Strip shows is somehow a win for ‘Feminism’??

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/106500889/verity-johnson-why-going-to-a-male-strip-club-is-a-feminist-experience

I actually have some experience of Male Strip shows (Yeah i know that comment will bring me some flak)
In my University days I was a hotshot bartender and worked a travelling Strip Show for a few nights- I have never seen such debauchery! Hundreds of Women screaming like banshees while some Greasy looking bloke wanders round putting whipped cream on his piece and shoves it in the faces of every girl there (seemingly whether they wanted it or not)
And that’s ‘Feminism’ now apparently?
The World has become a very strange place…
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August 24, 2018 12:53pm
- dime
  
  feminists just want to turn chicks into men.
  
  so basically, horrible, unfuckable chicks.
  
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  August 24, 2018 12:54pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yup, as Lauren Southern points out, modern feminism, “Instead of protecting femininity, it is trying to make women into men.” Instead of celebrating feminine traits they seem to regard themselves as always being in a competition with men and measuring themselves by what men can and cannot do. For some reason, they want to be able to do the exact same things, ignoring the traits and gifts that make them female.
    
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    August 24, 2018 2:42pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Thanks for the mansplaining about feminism, guys.
  
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  August 24, 2018 2:50pm
  - Fletch
    
    You’re welcome! ?
    
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    August 24, 2018 4:14pm
  - Longknives
    
    Hey Mikey- I’d love for you to explain how a room full of drunken women fellating a greasy male Stripper (many as a result of peer pressure) is somehow ‘A win for Feminism!’
    
    Go on- This should be good…
    
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    August 24, 2018 5:57pm
Manolo

Happening as we speak.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/malcolm-turnbull-to-resign-as-prime-minister-ahead-of-leadership-battle-between-dutton-bishop-and-morrison-20180824-p4zzga.html

Leadership spill live: Peter Dutton delivers petition to Malcolm Turnbull’s office with 43 signatures, Liberal Party spill imminent.
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August 24, 2018 1:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Apparently Tony Abbotts sister (a local City Councillor) is looking to run for Turnbull seat
  #Abbotts Revenge
  
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  August 24, 2018 2:08pm
Manolo

Well said, Mr Bolt:
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5825762861001

Sky News host Andrew Bolt has lambasted Malcolm Turnbull, after the Prime Minister called upon Peter Dutton to show him a list of signatures proving a majority of Liberal MPs do not support him as leader.

Mr Bolt claimed Mr Turnbull would rather ‘burn the Liberal Party to the ground than let it return to its conservative roots’.
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August 24, 2018 2:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hah. Black is white. The ‘liberal’ party is actually ‘conservative’?
  
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  August 24, 2018 2:49pm
  - wiseowl
    
    The ‘Liberal ‘ party are progressives.
    
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    August 24, 2018 4:26pm
Manolo

Bishop is out. Down to two.

Julie Bishop has been eliminated in the first round of voting. It is now a contest between Peter Dutton and Scott Morrison.
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August 24, 2018 2:48pm
Philview

This has probably been discussed already but I noticed a small news item today that uninsured red zone house owners in Christchurch will be reimbursed in full by the Government for damaged done to their properties. The article basically saying the “nasty” National Government had only paid them out for 50%. The rest of us have seen our insurance premiums rise by a considerable amount so does raise the question of will the Government underwrite my house going forward so I don’t have to pay the extra insurance.
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August 24, 2018 3:35pm
slightlyrighty

Quite a co-incidence that Claire Curran is sacked from Cabinet on the day the speaker shuts down the investigation into the leak of Simon Bridges expenses, don’t you think…….
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August 24, 2018 4:05pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The government press release is here.
  
  What happened?
  
  In February this year Minister Curran met with Mr Derek Handley at her Beehive office in her capacity as Minister of Government Digital Services to discuss Mr Handley’s interest in the vacant Chief Technology Officer (CTO) role.
  …
  The meeting was not recorded in the Minister’s diary and neither the Minister’s staff nor officials were made aware of it. The meeting was subsequently mistakenly left out of an answer to a recent Parliamentary Question for Written Answer.
  
  And what’s Jacinda done?
  
  Dr Megan Woods will take over as Minister of Government Digital Services and Ms Curran’s delegated responsibilities in relation to Open Government will revert to Chris Hipkins, as Minister for State Services. Minister Curran will retain her responsibilities as Minister for Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, and as Associate Minister for ACC, but will now sit outside Cabinet.
  
  Megan Woods as Minister of Government Digital Services!
  
  And Claire Curran stays on as Minister for Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media – so obviously failing to declare a meeting at Cafe Astoria are ok, but failing to declare a meeting in her office isn’t.
  
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  August 24, 2018 4:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Ever tried herding squirrels? That is how they do things.
  Don’t forget the puppet masters H1 and H2
  
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  August 24, 2018 5:04pm
sooty

So does Custard Clare retain perks?
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August 24, 2018 5:04pm
DigNap15

So the Herald is going to introduce a firewall for their premium content.

Do they know what premium content is?
Its like the Guardian keeps asking me to subscribe!
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August 24, 2018 5:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Its like the Guardian keeps asking me to subscribe!
  
  I’m tempted to tell them my cheque is in the post
  
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  August 24, 2018 7:13pm
Nostradamus

NASA intern fired over profanity-laden tweet

A woman lost her internship at NASA less than 24 hours after she was awarded the job following a vulgar series of tweets.

The exchange:

Naomi H: EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP. I GOT ACCEPTED FOR A NASA INTERNSHIP.

Homer Hickam: Language.

Naomi H: Suck my dick and balls I’m working at NASA

Homer Hickam: And I am on the National Space Council that oversees NASA.

Naomi presumably doesn’t have a dick and balls to suck (assuming she’s not transgender or gender-fluid). So points deducted for asking someone to do something that’s not physically possible, and more points deducted for lacking social grace.

I’m not a Twitter user. Is this the sort of nonsense that passes for social media communication these days?
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August 24, 2018 5:37pm
- Longknives
  
  “I feel kind of bad for @naomiH_official. Who wants to get their tone policed by old white men on the internet,” one person wrote.”
  
  Jesus- They use this as a reason to attack ‘Old White Men’??
  Also- Where exactly would NASA be without Old White Men?…
  
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  August 24, 2018 5:54pm
  - realityczech
    
    We would be sitting in trees picking ticks out of each others fur.
    
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    August 24, 2018 5:56pm
    - nasska
      
      When the fat dykes catch up with you they will mount your reproductive organs as a trophy on the Sisterhood’s wall of fame. 🙂
      
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      August 24, 2018 6:04pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_iXd1MbrDY

Daniel Horowitz is a prodigy of a jurist. He is incredibly gifted at explaining constitutional issues so they’re easily understood. Him and Mark Levin are real mensches.

His podcast is brilliant. His articles are brilliant. He’s delineating better then anyone the scale of the leftist rape of the United States of America via the last institution it’s people have been duped into having faith in.

Honestly, listen to this. It’s based in the United States. But the broader concepts could be applied to our own Supreme Court.

What Horowitz is saying has ramifications for us. A United States comprised of Mexicans is not going to secure our national security anymore then Mexico would. Our own little affairs are important, but this is civilizational scale stuff.

Horowitz is saying that just in the last week, leftist cultural marxist judges have unconstitutionally on ten separate cases achieved 50 years worth of social engineering.

They’ve said the states can’t control their own electoral law, even as they are then allowed to ignore Federal law on immigration – when the plenary powers of the constitution for 200 years have said immigration law is the ambit of the other houses of government. Not just per the Supreme Court. Per the constitution. The courts have burned the constitution.

Think about how perverse that is. Lower courts, with no constitutional powers to bind the other houses of government in the first place, have said the states can’t determine their own electoral law, but can ignore 200 years worth of plenary powers of the Federal government.

That’s just 2 cases.

There are actually 13 more in the past 2 weeks on those kind of lines. Per these lower court criminal sin robes apparently the States have no power to withdraw funding from criminal enterprises like Planned Parenthood if the Feds say so – but they have the right to demand and force the Federal government to provide funding for illegal immigrants.

So the states have no right to control their funding, and then absolute right to control their funding, depending on whether or not it serves the left.

It’s just insane. Totally insane. It’s literal revolution. It’s the end point of the long march. I initially was suspect at Hungary and Poland suspending their judiciary. I’m not any longer.

I won’t carry on.

This is a judicial coup. As Horowitz says, nothing matters. Until the judges and the media in the US are smashed, no elected government can accomplish anything. Unbelievable.

The Judges in the most shitty little backwoods courts in the United States have usurped the Constitution and given themselves the power to make positive law. Not in any classical jurisprudence sense. Outright.

Trump will win a second term.

When he wins a second term, a lot of judges are going to be removed, quietly, how permanently will depend on the level of their depravity. And they will deserve it. It’s hard to communicate the true significance of what Horowitz is saying.

You’ll read this and think, Oh, it’s just this guy again, exaggerating and emoting and writing a long tedious comment.

Nope – civil war I’m not 100% certain is going to happen in the United States. Because nothing short of wholesale removal by force of judges from lower courts will prevent South Africa level implosion. That won’t happen because the media machine will never accurately report on the constitutional violations of those judges.

It’s not judges just being ludicrously political. They’re being outright unconstitutional. No lese majeste and Divine absolute power would exceed what these judges are doing. Not on social fault-line issues. On the most fundamental issues of administrative law and powers of governance.

The constitution in the United States doesn’t exist. If 200 years of plenary powers on immigration can be overturned by a lower court and then they slow-walk appeals for years to the Supreme Court it’s finished.

It’s monstrous. The only good thing is, when the vicious war starts, those judges are going to be taking helicopter rides. It’s fucking time for leftists to start fearing the people the way they’ve made everyone fear them.

Just kidding.
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August 24, 2018 5:55pm
- UpandComer
  
  Oh I’ve tripped the moderation wire.
  
  Learn the constitution. This is the ambit of the Lincoln Douglass speeches. The Courts have no right to usurp the constitution. What they are doing is an act of hostile revolution. Jefferson was simply anunciating a basic tenet of civic governance when he said that on occasion the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. The left has no monopoly on revolutionary lineage and tenets. No monopoly whatsoever. What is happening in those lower courts is beyond the pale.
  
  So just wait and see. Trump’s second term, judges are going to be moving into new jobs at Walmart etc. Because they’re breaking the law, not making it.
  
  Anyway, I’ll take a sabbatical.
  
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  August 24, 2018 6:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    Stick around. It is refreshing to read some original stuff instead of the banality of herd-think.
    
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    August 24, 2018 6:17pm
UpandComer

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August 24, 2018 6:05pm
realityczech

The suicide rate in this country is appalling and getting worse. Especially for Maori.

It has become worse during a time when virtue signalling and fake concern for others has flourished. It has become worse during a time when there has been huge money spent on preventing suicide and raising awareness. It has become worse while white people have been blamed for Maori outcomes.

After years of this failing what have they decided? To double down with more of the same.

Virtue signalling harms and kills. A return to pragmatic common sense and genuine compassion is what is needed. When surrounded by fake insincere people, those going through dark times feel even more worthless and disconnected.
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August 24, 2018 6:14pm
- nasska
  
  ….”A return to pragmatic common sense and genuine compassion is what is needed”…..
  
  The way I see it nothing is going to improve in a hurry. There are limited routes the psychiatric profession can take when dealing with depression. One is medication. The other is counselling …….then there’s the combination of both.
  
  The touchy feely branches of medicine have been overrun from root to shoot by mad, fat women who know everything.
  
  Small wonder that Maori men are deciding to call it a day in record numbers.
  
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  August 24, 2018 6:38pm
  - realityczech
    
    “root to shoot by mad, fat women who know everything.”
    
    I wonder how many of those blokes who have topped themselves have spoken with those man hating feminist harpies ? I would strongly advise any man not to go to any of them, even the men.
    
    However my issue was not with how we deal with depression – but how we cause it – in our society.
    
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    August 24, 2018 6:46pm
- rangitoto
  
  Really? You mean to tell me Taxinda hasn’t fixed it already.
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:12pm
Nostradamus

One aspect to this week’s political soap opera in Australia has been largely overlooked.

On Wednesday the Attorney-General Christian Porter asked the Solicitor-General to provide urgent advice on Peter Dutton’s eligibility to sit in Parliament. The advice, which was issued today, says Mr Dutton is “not incapable” of remaining in Parliament. But the advice is qualified – the Solicitor-General had access to “very little factual information” and there is “some risk … that the High Court might conclude that there is a conflict between Mr Dutton’s duty as a parliamentarian and his personal interests”.

But why did the Peter Dutton constitutional question arise in the first place?

The answer can be found in another legal opinion prepared by Bret Walker SC and James Mack. The legal opinion is here. It begins:

We are asked by Noah Carroll, National Secretary and Campaign Director, Australian Labor Party National Secretariat to advise whether it is arguable that the purported member of the federal electorate of Dickson, Mr Peter Dutton, is eligible to sit as a member of the House of Representatives.

So the Australian Labor Party sought the legal opinion. It’s obvious what they were up to. And the legal opinion is dated 18 April 2018 – 4 months ago. As ABC’s federal political reporter Matthew Doran stated on Wednesday:

Labor have written to Turnbull regarding Dutton’s potential s44 issue, and included legal advice saying he’s in trouble from Bret Walker SC. It’s dated April. They’ve had this in the top drawer for some time

Is this what Nicky Hager would describe as dirty politics?
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August 24, 2018 6:29pm
Nostradamus

Since it’s Friday night:

Charles Aberhart is terrified. A gay man in his mid-thirties who has already served one prison sentence under the law forbidding homosexual acts, the Blenheim draper knows the local police have him in their sights. So he has come to Christchurch and one of the city’s best known cruising spots – the public toilet in Hagley Park.
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August 24, 2018 6:40pm
- nasska
  
  …..”one of the city’s best known cruising spots – the public toilet in Hagley Park”…..
  
  The preferred locale of nine out of ten male shoe shop assistants. 🙂
  
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  August 24, 2018 6:46pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    nine out of ten male shoe shop assistants
    
    Is that where the expression “rob Peter to pay Paul” came from?
    
    Phillip wanted to buy shoes but he didn’t have enough money. So he “borrowed” money from his friend (Peter) to pay the male shoe shop assistant (Paul). Phillip felt terrible about stealing from his friend Peter, so they went to Hagley Park together, where Phillip “repaid” the money in a manner that Peter found very satisfactory.
    
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    August 24, 2018 6:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Nostradamus , an alias seelcted by one who proved to be charlatan and a a crackpot .
      
      Why ?
      
      https://www.livescience.com/24213-nostradamus.html
      
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      August 24, 2018 7:00pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy – an alias selected by a perverted individual who has boasted on Kiwiblog about how he goes to the St Lukes shopping centre to look at “honeypots” and “small but ample breasts”. And the same perverted individual who linked to a photoshopped porn image on the Celebrity Jihad website. And the same perverted individual who sexually harrasses a female Kiwiblog commenter about her underwear size and other sexual fetishes. And the same perverted individual who provided a specific suggestion (with instructions) to another Kiwiblog commenter about how he could use a paper bag to kill himself.
        
        Why?
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Noostradamus , you answer my question then I will try to answer your hysterical tirade?
        
        Deal ?
        
        I take it that you admit your alias was a charlatan and a crackpot?
        
        Perhsps you might have a psycholgical explanation?
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        you answer my question
        
        Have you read a copy of How to win friends and influence people?
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:08pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Perhsps”….
        
        You’re pished! 🙂
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostadamus , merely responding to some of vile comments you amde about me about this time yesterday.
        
        Yes , I have read the book which you also need to have a thorough look at.
        
        I don’ thing the author dealt with how to handle nastiness.
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:16pm
      - Longknives
        
        Game,Set,Match Nostradamus!
        6-0, 6-0, 6-0
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:16pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        … some of vile comments you amde about me about this time yesterday …
        
        Let’s see.
        
        I said: “Stephieboy, once again, is caught out telling porkies!“. Once again you denied saying a statement when the record shows otherwise.
        
        I also said: “I don’t think Stephieboy could be charged with “1,460 counts of sexual intercourse with an animal”. For one thing, there aren’t that many goats in NZ!“. I realise you have limited reading comprehension skills, but if you read my comment carefully, you’ll see that I’m actually defending your reputation!
        
        Are there any other statements that you’d like to discuss?
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:26pm
    - nasska
      
      The poor bugger takes a load of flak nostra but he’s an irresistible target. Still when you get into the guts of his D4J persona you can see what RC is getting at in his 6.46pm above.
      
      The bias against men shown by the Family Court would be a major direct cause of depression induced suicide by Maori males.
      
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      August 24, 2018 7:08pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I said to D4J several years ago, with sincerity, that he should publish a book about his Family Court experiences, as I’d like to read it.
        
        There was a tragic mass murder-suicide incident in Western Australia a few months ago, which made the news. And this article – Grieving dad Aaron Cockman pushes for law change around family separation – deals with :
        
        Mr Cockman will meet with people on the government and opposition frontbench as part of a campaign by advocacy group For Kids Sake, calling for Family Court reform. … They want the focus of family separation to fall under the ambit of the health ministry, rather than the attorney-general’s department. Earlier intervention than the Family Court, proper arbitration, better mediation and increased support for families under pressure are all on their wish list.
        
        Dad would probably agree with these suggestions.
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        “The bias against men shown by the Family Court”
        
        This in a country where a man burning himself to death on the lawns of parliament, due to the Family Court, raised zero concern and quickly faded from the news.
        
        Imagine the epic furore if a woman did the same !
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:34pm
EAD_TWO

I must say that the more I see of Senator Fraser Anning, the more I come to the conclusion that Australia missed a huge trick not making him PM:

https://mobile.twitter.com/fraser_anning/status/1031382687401922560

What we need is a cultural reconquest of our own country to take back Australia from Gramsci-inspired left-wing elites that have subverted the very basis of our society.
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August 24, 2018 7:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , I see the Senator enters familar territory to you with his” final solution..”
  
  https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-truth-about-senator-fraser-annings-racist-first-speech/news-story/eed49eef7250c38bfb73b8cb82811906
  
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  August 24, 2018 7:19pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    This response sums you up to a T you utter moron.
    
    Completely ignore the message of Anning (achieving a permanent solution to the exponentially rising crime of immigrants) but instead focusing your energies on a “word crime”
    
    Idiot❗
    
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    August 24, 2018 7:43pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      For those who are interested, Fraser Anning’s speech is here.
      
      He said:
      
      As a conservative Christian, I strongly support traditional social values, but, as an Australian nationalist, I also believe in Australia and Australians first. I believe in low taxes and personal responsibility and in the virtues of hard work and thrift, reward for effort and the freedom to do and say what you think. I also believe in the right of people to raise their kids in accordance with their own values, without a bunch of nanny state meddlers and cultural Marxists trying to re-engineer them. I believe that the key role of government is to provide laws for the enforcement of contracts, to provide physical security for businesses and individuals and to build infrastructure. I believe that the priority for government expenditure is not obligation-free handouts but nation building: providing the facilities and infrastructure which businesses and farmers need to develop and grow, which then provides for secure, well-paid jobs. I believe that ordinary working people have the right to expect a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work, to keep what they have worked for, to get ahead and have a decent life, to be able to provide for themselves in old age, and to have enough to help their kids have an even better life than themselves. I believe that the unfettered ownership of private property and the right to own and use firearms, including for self-defence, are the God-given rights of free people everywhere. And I believe, as the American revolutionaries did, that government is usually the problem not the solution and that, in order for people to be free, the power of government needs to be constrained.
      
      Many people would agree with those comments.
      
      And also:
      
      My most immediate concern is saving agriculture in this country. … My next biggest concern is rural infrastructure development. … The next critical problem that we need to address is immigration. … My next political objective is affordable home ownership.
      
      So immigration ranked third in his list.
      
      I don’t agree with everything that he said, but I think it’s worth going past the media hysteria to read his comments in context.
      
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      August 24, 2018 7:50pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Thanks Nosty – not that the MSM would ever permit what remains of its viewers/readers to see the context of what a proper right wing Politician has to say….
        
        Much more preferable to create hysteria so that people’s critical thinking skills are shut down.
        
        Meanwhile they’ll lionise as Obama who could talk for hours and say nothing at all.
        
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        August 24, 2018 8:12pm
stephieboy

Nostradamus and nasska,

Your erudtions from yeserday ,

nasska

And we worry about stephieboy fondling his goats! ?
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Nostradamus

Nasska:

I don’t think Stephieboy could be charged with “1,460 counts of sexual intercourse with an animal”. For one thing, there aren’t that many goats in NZ

If I had the wherewithal I would take delight in suing the both of you into bankjruptcy !
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August 24, 2018 7:25pm
- nasska
  
  Harden up petal. The pain you feel is just the weakness leaving your body! ?
  
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  August 24, 2018 7:27pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy:
  
  I would take delight in suing the both of you into bankjruptcy !
  
  Dream on. I’ll defend your defamation claim (plenty of comments on Kiwiblog to establish your “reputation” that you claim has been defamed) and countersue you for my legal costs.
  
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  August 24, 2018 7:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll pay for your QC, Nostradamus.
    
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    August 24, 2018 7:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW , at $1,000 per hour ?
      
      I dont think so.
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Think you’re a bit light there Stephie old perv
        
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        August 24, 2018 8:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You have no idea of my finances, do you stephieboy?
        
        What do you reckon my hubby’s hourly rate is?
        What do you reckon my hourly rate is?
        
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        August 24, 2018 8:24pm
      - axeman
        
        What’s Walphy’s hourly rate for his St Albans sermons?
        
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        August 25, 2018 5:59am
  - rangitoto
    
    Is it even possible to defame an anonymous person?
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:08pm
Longknives

What is “Bankjruptcy”?
Is that when you can’t afford the bus fare to St Luke’s Mall to leer at the teenage girls?..
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August 24, 2018 8:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ah , bankruptcy!
  
  Or financial ruin!
  
  Which one do your prefer?
  
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  August 24, 2018 8:12pm
  - nasska
    
    Better add him to the list stephieboy! 🙂
    
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    August 24, 2018 8:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      #MeToo
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:16pm
    - Longknives
      
      Oh No!- Please don’t throw me in the Briar Patch Stephieboy!
      Allah have Mercy…
      
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      August 24, 2018 8:19pm
      - nasska
        
        It’s going to be an epic court case. By the time they’ve done a head count of all the defendants it’ll be time for lunch. 🙂
        
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        August 24, 2018 8:25pm
rangitoto

David Seymour nails it on twitter:

“We’ve had an incompetent Open Govt and Govt Digital Services Minister for ten months and the country has managed just fine. This shows we don’t need these positions. “
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August 24, 2018 8:21pm
- sooty
  
  If ACC is going to charge rates on churches from now on, will they be charging rates on moari land and goverment property aswell?
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:00pm
gorse

Just buckled and had a quick read if a few comments on WO’s Back Chat. What shallow threads, gave up after three minutes. Back to here, why do I bother?
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August 24, 2018 9:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Back Chat is how I imagine the lounge is at a retirement village.
  
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  August 24, 2018 9:55pm

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