General Debate 23 August 2018

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tas

The NZ herald has an astounding article on reforming the justice system today. A quote:

There seems little argument that it needs improving. If nothing else, our prison population has soared from 8200 in 2009 to 10,500 this year. Prisons are bursting at the seams despite crime falling.

Crime falling. Prisons bursting. Might those perhaps be related?

I’m all for rehabilitation and finding ways to reduce reoffending. However, there are some people who cannot be rehabilitated and the only way to stop them reoffending is to lock them up. Andrew Little seems to not acknowledge that.
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August 23, 2018 8:00am
- G152
  
  Dont break the law.
  Simple way to empty the prisons
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:07am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    That’s racist! 😉
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:14am
  - tas
    
    Another article…
    
    Little says the impact of colonisation on modern New Zealand had to be considered when approaching reform of the criminal justice system.
    
    “It is no doubt a big long term cause of what we’re seeing. We have had decades and decades of policies that have stripped a lot of Māori of their assets, their identity, their connection with their whakapapa, with their connection to the land.
    
    “Of course that is going to have an effect about their ability to survive in the type of society we have got at the moment.”
    
    Great. I bet anyone who opposes Mr. Little’s reform is going to be automatically labelled a racist.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:15am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Mr Little is very patronising toward Maori and their abilities. If the blame lies with “the impact of colonisation on modern New Zealand” I would ask him to explain all those successful Maori doing well in this “type of society we have got at the moment.”
      
      I would have thought negligent parenting and wider whanau is the biggest effect on their ability to survive in the type of society we have got at the moment.” If children are not prepared for the world they are to function in then who else is to blame?
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:30am
      - cmm
        
        Quite right.
        
        Effectively what he has said is that if you adjusted well to living in a modern society and you are not committing any crime then you are a defective Maori.
        
        Perhaps he would rather see a return to traditional Maori legal systems where wives and slaves were beaten and the conflicts were routinely resolved by violence.
        
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        August 23, 2018 8:41am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        PI community vs Maori incarceration numbers are very telling:
        Māori 14.90% pop; 4391, 51% prison 7.67x Euro
        European 74% pop; 2835, 33% prison 1x Euro
        Pacific Is 7.40% pop; 1006, 12% prison 3.63x Euro
        Asian 11.80% pop; 235, 3% prison 0.57x Euro
        
        With more European genes and higher average intelligence Maori are still 2x Incarceration Rates of P.I. So even allowing for lower average IQ (and associated poorer impulse control and consideration of consequences) for P.I and Maori in comparison to Europeans, Maori look terrible in comparison to P.I. A lot of Maori have really shit families that fail their kids.
        
        Also pretty clear that Asian’s make much better immigrants than P.Is
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:05am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The “the impact of colonisation on modern New Zealand”.
        
        Since the colonization happened in the 19th Century, you would have thought the effects would have been the worst in the early and mid 20th Century. I would have imagined sky-high levels of Maori incarceration 100 years ago, when the memories of colonization were fresh.
        
        How come “colonization syndrome” only became a thing about 10 years ago?
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:08am
    - igm
      
      Little is the sort of person one would ignore if he were getting the shit knocked out him by some thugs. In fact, I don’t even think I would make a phone call.
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:31am
      - sooty
        
        It’s all pay back for getting beaten behind the bikeshed at school.
        
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        August 23, 2018 8:40am
      - marcw
        
        I would post a letter to Parliament – viz the Justice Minister.
        
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        August 23, 2018 11:12am
    - KevOB
      
      Has Andy been taking sociology classes?
      Without rank Maori are nobodies and have no cultural permission to perform. Add a warrior class and we have recipe for trouble. Their young women want to fulfill their destiny as mothers too. We don’t deny them much.
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:48am
    - Dave Mann
      
      “It is no doubt a big long term cause of what we’re seeing. We have had decades and decades of policies that have stripped a lot of Māori of their assets, their identity, their connection with their whakapapa, with their connection to the land.
      
      It’s literally staggering that a senior member of government should be allowed to get away with such blatant lies unchallenged.
      
      How have the Maoris been ‘stripped of’ anything? Quite the contrary. They gave been given literally billion$ of our money to settle imaginary historical grievances and their ‘culture’ has been pandered to and glorified at almost every level of society for decades. There has never been any societal impediment in this country to a Maori getting an education and a job: quite the reverse in fact as we see in preferential grants and quotas given to Maoris in education, health and many other areas.
      
      Despite this, Maoris are still more inclined to be violent and criminal than any other race in society. Not all Maoris are violent criminals, of course, but the tendency is certainly more prevalent than amongst Europeans, Pacific
      Islanders, Indians, Chinese and every other race that lives here.
      
      This man Little is an angry lunatic…. but so many people just nod their heads in agreement with this garbage and don’t speak up for fear of being called ‘racist’.
      
      It’s time to face the facts and speak openly about what’s going on here.
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:51am
      - kowtow
        
        It is staggering.
        
        The Maoris who are shooting at the “trespassing” surfers are presumably land owners who’ve not been stripped of anything, explain their extreme violence .
        
        The problem with Maori criminality has nothing to do with colonisation and everything to do with urbanisation.
        
        After they came out of their traditional areas in the late 50s and 60s and into the cities came the disconnect and the problems. Then the gangs.
        
        The same thing is happening with PIs. They migrate here and lose their connection with home and family structures and ties and violence and criminality follows.
        
        And before you accuse me of racism the same process occurs in many societies, that’s why there’s more crime in cities than the country side.
        
        Don’t need a PhD to work that one out.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:05am
      - KevOB
        
        The Maui factor may be at work too. Little realised until one has lived in the Pacific islands for some time. Maui was a trickster–he gained by taking hidden advantage.
        
        Could we be being exploited by Treaty claims? They got fish; now they want water. Maori could not argue they didn’t get a reasonable exchange at the time. That requires a re-write of the contracts. They also accepted conquest as legitimate–that’s what they did. Are they turning the tables on us now by deceipt? Whakamaui?
        
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        August 23, 2018 12:40pm
      - GoVege
        
        I disagree, kowtow.
        Polynesian “criminality ” has nothing to do with colonization or urbanization.
        It has everything to do with the extreme violence many of them are subjected to from birth (or before).
        The thugs shooting at surfers were living in the sticks.
        A Maori MP said that when they moved to the city, for the first time they could call the (Pakeha?) Police when her dad (subsequently jailed for murder) attacked them.
        There is far more violence in the Pacific Islands than here in NZ.
        
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        August 23, 2018 1:34pm
    - lilman
      
      He tried and got smashed as an MP electorate candidate.
      
      Think he is a moron.
      
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      August 23, 2018 11:09am
    - Piniwi
      
      But tas we have to wonder how this debate regarding native crime rates ever got to be considered a result of colonization? This is the latest straw being clutched at from so far back there were no straws to be had. Is this the newest line of garbage from the native separatist movement? Is this already being ground into young native criminals diverted to their system of pre-prison process to avoid convictions and any sensible punishment for their crimes?
      There is only one way to adjust the disproportional incarceration rates for natives and that is to do the same as the proportional values applied to party votes. Use an algorithm that declares self claimed natives with 90% plus European blood as being non-maori. It seems at this stage it would just about have it balanced.
      
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      August 23, 2018 12:18pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I think Little needs to consider the impact of allowing morons to create excuses like this. Except that he seems to be leading the pack in this regard… Every child is born good. The family and society that the child is exposed to, determines how they turn out. Children from loving families tend not to become psychopathic mass murderers ( there are exceptions…)
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:15pm
  - Paulus
    
    By not breaking the Law no incarceration, and as far as Australia concerned no deportation.
    Simply really.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:25am
- hullkiwi
  
  tas none of the dogooders who want to hug the criminals are prepared to acknowledge that.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:12am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Thought the woman on TV last night, that represented the REAL victims, said it best.
  They are treating the perpetrates of crime, like they are the victims.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:34am
duggledog

About the most absurd thing I have seen in a very, very long time on TV1 News (and I have been spoilt for choice recently), is the sight of Kelvin Davis, Andrew Little and a cast of thousands scribbling on a giant white board

Ideas On What To Do About The Prisons.

Hahaha Go you guys! Heart-storm it!

Earlier, we had Greg Newbold on RNZ’s The Panel with Jim Mora.

Jim played his hand and described Newbold, after he asserted ‘there’s no ‘Maori Mind’ that’s rubbish’ as being (and I quote) ‘a contrarian’. Basically Newbold said Kelvin and Andy’s summit was a pile of old cock.

I see you Jim! You a Progressive hand wringer! Kept it so well hidden til now.

Anyway.

Just build more prisons Kelvin & Andrew, real big ones because it looks to me like Peter Dutton is on his way and he’ll be wielding a very big stick and sending many more undesirable rock apes home.

And, I would venture, something very special for Jacinta to try and talk her way around.
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August 23, 2018 8:00am
- oldgolfer
  
  It was classic: bit like those god-awful management sessions where everyone’s ”input” is sought, discussed, a report is written, boxes are ticked, and nothing gets done.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:12am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Free sausage rolls, all the toilet rolls one can nick for the whanau and cock strutting displays of green-stone and bone carvings all at a cost of a mil or so as nothing this worst government ever does, comes cheap.
    
    Until maori give up their blinkered tribal views, their propencity to blame everything on colonisation, stop pretending being victims for financial gain and embrace the concept of New Zealand being for ALL New Zealanders, we will continue to have these useless virtue signalling meetfests that will change exactly nothing.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:12am
    - lilman
      
      Unfortunately Maori are great becoming 6th class citizens in their own country and they have no one to blame but themselves.
      
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      August 23, 2018 11:12am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Our country, it is our country. Maori ceded sovereignty on the understanding that the British would protect them from the murdering French and themselves, and sold the real estate to the immigrants.
        
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        August 23, 2018 11:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  1000 criminals returned by Australia to our shores and continuing their crimes on this side of the Ditch. There’s another reason for our bulging prisons. The good news is they are only committing crimes at the expected rate.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:12am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    That’s a relief. I’m sure when Little does away with jails, crime will simply evaporate. Just look at the Moon. There are no prisons on the Moon and they have no crime.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:16am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      There are no Maoris on the moon either. However, I’m sure they will put in a Treaty claim soon enough.
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:22pm
- kowtow
  
  The interview was excellent.
  
  Over 50 % of the prison muster is Maori.
  Of those 70% are in gangs,
  Over 80 % recidivism.
  
  Recidivism will continue as long as ex prisoners associate with gangs.
  
  If you want to tackle our prison problem , you’ve got to tackle the gangs.
  
  And that will never happen.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:35am
  - DigNap15
    
    No, you’ve got to stop them breaeding’
    Cancel the dpb.
    No more free money.
    Look after your own children.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:45am
    - waikatogirl
      
      To stop them breeding they need permanent contraception. A financial incentive is the only way to delay many, many unwanted future feral criminals being bred for society to deal with. Pay a small lump sum and repeat. Voluntary but enticing for many.
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:51am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        2nd time you are sent to jail should lose a testicle. 3rd time sent to jail lose the other. Would make crime much less attractive to usual suspects.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:09am
      - BassilFawlty
        
        Why not make it a large lump sum, say $50k, it would save billions.
        
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        August 23, 2018 11:44am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Pointless applying contraceptives to men, 1 guy can impregnate 100’s of women. The only people that matter in fertility choices are women.
        
        Need to make it so that potential baby farmers are worse off standard of living wise if they have a baby than if they don’t.
        
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        August 23, 2018 12:05pm
    - Harkman
      
      I still can’t believe we allow people on welfare to have even more kids. Just staggering.
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:06am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Personalised choice, and socialised consequence. When we insulate people from the consequences of their own actions society is weakened, not strengthened as asserted by modern socialists.
        
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        August 23, 2018 11:06am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Because
    The ones that vote…….vote Labour
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:56am
    - GoVege
      
      I’ve never met a Maori under the age of 50 at a polling booth.
      But Labour has come out with stupid statements such as “family size is a matter of personal choice”, i.e. for beneficiaries.
      
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      August 23, 2018 6:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        I agree with Labour. It is a personal choice. Having a baby with no means of support is a choice. Where I disagree with Labour is having the rest of us pay for it.
        
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        August 23, 2018 6:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        Do you really think they would be having 10 or more kids if they had to pay to support them themselves, RC?
        There are very few people in this country who make enough to pay for 10 kids.
        Only the limitless resources of the state can do that.
        
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        August 23, 2018 6:34pm
      - realityczech
        
        Vege, most would not even have one if the government did not pay them for it. It is pursued as a career option.
        
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        August 23, 2018 6:37pm
- Piniwi
  
  But duggledog but ahead of that there is the continuing graduation to adulthood (by age only) of feral bread meal tickets who have never known an ounce of parental guidance. Taking on the world with minimal education levels and the head void filled with separatist doctrine from the native youth crime diversion system. A false sense of balance only with two corresponding chips on their shoulders.
  
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  August 23, 2018 12:39pm
Longknives

What an incredibly brave woman! Taking on the mob of Crims and assorted rabble at Labour’s controversial ‘Justice Summit’-

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12111523

Apparently if you are a ‘Pakeha’ you don’t understand what it’s like to be a victim of crime?
Does Labour stand by this disgusting assertion??
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August 23, 2018 8:03am
- sooty
  
  What do you expect of Labour?
  They can’t keep their younger members safe!
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    YES
    If found guilty, will he be going to JAIL?????
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Consider the factors in this “Maori” crime.
  Imagine a solo mum raising a family of boys who are all half-brothers. The mum is married to the State, but the boys are desperate for a father figure.
  
  Violence is the answer. Mum’s latest boyfriend teaches the boys to think with their fists.
  
  Then there’s mental health. Maybe the mum didn’t eat too well while pregnant. The boys are impulsive and lack the cognitive ability to link actions with consequences.
  
  Who are the boys’ mentors and father figures? Who do they look up to? Who in their world impresses them?
  
  No responsibility. At school, the boys are taught that they are victims, and it is “not their fault” that the outcomes in NZ are not equal. They are taught that they can never be racist towards the “oppressors” of their “people” who are constantly keeping them down. This helps them to feel good as they terrorize smaller and weaker non-Maori children, and lose whatever empathy to “others” that remains.
  
  The gangs begin recruiting while the boys are too young to be charged as adults.
  
  To deal with this so-called “Maori” problem, you have to deal with ALL the contributing factors.
  – The welfare state that encourages the production of meal-ticket children
  – Fatherless families / multiple-father families
  – Gangs
  – Identity politics and the culture of victimhood
  – The dislocation between crime and punishment (it takes multiple convictions to actually be locked up)
  – What others can you think of?
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Get a team of Japanese Corrections officers to sort it all out.
    
    After all, they make exceptional vehicles etc.
    
    I think your point about welfare dependency and fatherless families is an important factor that Greg Newbold has also identified.
    
    The problem is that nobody is willing to seriously consider those kinds of problems.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:10am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Yes they do. Maori need to own their shit!
      
      Maori need to step up and take responsibility for their own outcomes.
      
      Maori are their own problem, the problem is Maori who do not want to step up; there are many who do and have but not enough.
      
      Actually enough do step up; perhaps they would like to take their ‘success’ message to their less functional whanau
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:19am
      - waikatogirl
        
        PG, you are wrong, wrong I say! We are all one village and all responsible for each other’s outcomes. The fact maori are failing is your fault and mine. Do something for them, reach out. Pay higher tax as money fixes EVERYTHING. //
        
        “It takes a village”. Lefty rhetoric rubbish.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:56am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I was speaking to a J-E interpreter the other day. She cannot believe the luxury of the NZ prisons, and the freedoms afforded to the inmates.
      
      The Japanese system has a number of advantages over the NZ one
      – No concerns over “cultural sensitivity”
      – No one saw or heard anything, he just tripped
      – Human rights, Jim? Not as you know them…
      – Rigid discipline
      – Collective punishment
      – Shame (the English word “shame” is inadequate)
      – A strict code of behavior for all prisoners
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:33am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        And they still gave the ultimate sanction…
        
        https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6710655/inside-japan-death-row-prisons-execution-no-warning/
        
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        August 23, 2018 8:27pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      “The problem is that nobody is willing to seriously consider those kinds of problems.”
      
      Stephieboy; you are 100% correct on that. We can sheet that back to successive centre left governments who have not had the backbone to deal with what we all no to be a root cause.
      Sort that and you’ll sort out “poverdy in NZ”.
      
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      August 23, 2018 10:00am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    low IQ and poor impulse control of the sperm donors. Criminality is highly correlated with low IQ and the associated poor impulse control/consideration of consequences and unemployability. Low IQ is genetic and highly heritable.
    
    You could fix all Maori’s problems in a generation with almost no money by getting baby farmers to use sperm from the smartest 0.1% of Maori men so that the kids have average or above average IQ. Nothing else will work because low average intelligence of criminal/welfare class is the root cause of all their failings.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:16am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      From the US, https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/iq-and-incarceration.html :
      The best predictor of a state’s incarceration rate may come as more of surprise, though (if I hadn’t already given it away). Economic inequality trends in the expected direction but the relationship isn’t statistically significant. Population density has no appreciable effect, either, and actually trends in the opposite direction of what would be expected (greater density means a smaller prison population). It’s not the poverty rate (r-value of .59), the illegitimacy rate (.54), the unemployment rate (.29), or the average age of the population (.40), either. It’s not even (quite) the percentage of a state’s population that is black or Hispanic (.648).
      
      The strongest correlation with incarceration rates that I’ve been able to find comes from estimated average IQ (.649).
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      UN,
      
      For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
      
      H. L. Mencken
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:33am
      - GoVege
        
        This is all nonsense, UN.
        If Europeans had the huge numbers of kids some Maori families do AND both parents were drunk a lot of the time, their jail stats would be as bad as Maori ones are.
        Look at the families of some of the country’s worst criminals:
        Joseph Thompson, one of 18 kids. His appalling father raped his sisters and rented him out for beer money.
        Taffy Hotene, the youngest of 13 kids, who slept under a house.
        Nia Glassie’s mum: one of 17 children.
        It has nothing to do with IQ.
        I know Polynesian kids whose parents are in unskilled or semi-skilled work who are top students and heading for great careers.
        Their families have several things in common:
        Small family size.
        Parents still together.
        Kids supervised and encouraged in education.
        No or minimal drinking or smoking or family violence.
        I.E. The opposite of most families of criminals.
        
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        August 23, 2018 7:45pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      UrbanNeocolonialist,
      
      I would be fearful of a State with the power and the willingness to enforce such policies.
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:35am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Carrot, not stick. Offer the women $50-100k lump sum or higher DPB payments (after dna test proof to prevent cheats) if they get pregnant by highly intelligent sperm donor. State will get the money back many times over in higher taxes + reduced welfare payments of the resulting kids in adulthood. A smart person pays more than a million more in tax over their life than a dumb person.
        
        Strongest predictor/chance for breaking-the-cycle of welfare dependancy and criminality is a high IQ kid.
        
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        August 23, 2018 10:04am
      - GoVege
        
        That’s just silly, Urban Neocolonialist.
        Many high IQ people become criminals!
        It all comes down to parenting.
        
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        August 23, 2018 1:43pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        *sigh*, Of course there are intelligent people in jail, though generally very few smart people get prosecuted for violent crime (due to better impulse control). They are mostly there for dishonesty related stuff, and it is highly arguable that it is all down to parenting – see for example twin studies where twins raised in different families end up with (mostly) remarkably similar outcomes.
        
        But science and statistics (averages, correlations, trends) is what should inform and drive policy, not anecdote, feelings and outliers.
        
        Such as this somewhat predictive model of population criminality: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm
        Which shows that if you send less people to prison then the disparity between European and Maori incarceration rates is actually likely to increase (counter to SJW intuition), due to a fundamental offset in mean criminality of different ethnicities and the nature of Gaussian distributions.
        
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        August 23, 2018 2:23pm
Odakyu-sen

Since no-one can agree on the definition of “Maori,” then how do you define a “Maori mind.”
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August 23, 2018 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Live for today, basically.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:08am
  - sooty
    
    What’s yours is mind!
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:30am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    “live for today”
    
    You say that in jest Inandout but it has science to back it up.
    
    In short, whites and East Asians display k type evolutionary theory whereas the dark races are very much r type.
    
    r stands for reproductive focus – the rabbit strategy of pumping out lots of cheap offspring and fucking whatever moves. It’s a response to overwhelming predation.
    
    K stands for competitive focus – the wolf strategy of mating for life and raising pups together, teaching them to hunt and integrate socially with the pack. It’s a response to selective pressure for individual excellence.
    
    Stefan Molyneux did a great video on this that really bought him into the firing line of liberals for the first time:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU),
    
    Negro Sub-Saharan Africa is r-selective. Selection pressures overwhelm individual merit, taking random individuals and population swathes. Fecundity rapidly repopulates to carrying capacity. A farmer who attempts to build or save will be attacked by his neighbors because he threatens their long-term r investment.
    
    White glacial Europe was K-selective. The smart survived. The dumb froze or starved. Fecundity focused on stable, slow growth. Hence, Neanderthal man evolved the capacity for thought.
    
    We have now embarked on a massive global experiment that takes the surplus wealth of European K types and enables r types breed far beyond what they could do if left to their own devices and own environment.
    
    The world is going to see a massive correction of this in the not too distant future which is why all the Silicon Valley types are busy buying up remote farmland….
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO, does Molyneux try to explain why Jews figure prominently in the Nobel Laureates with his pseudo science?
      
      Now imagine if the Europeans had to develop a civilisation in the middle of the Sahara Desert?
      
      A poster responds to the Video,
      
      Tristan Brown
      
      I am very familiar with evolution, having done scientific research into it myself. I fully understand r/K selection theory, and can say authoritatively that Molyneux does not.
      
      Just like in his videos about IQs, he’s got the causation backwards. The r and K strategies are adaptations to deal with particular selection factors imposed by the external environment. They are not philosophies that determine how organisms WANT the environment around them to be. They’re strategies for dealing with the struggles presented by the environment.
      
      Humans are one of the many species that can switch back and forth between r and K strategies depending on external selection pressures. Our choice of strategy is not genetically predetermined. For instance, humans in poverty or conflict zones are more likely to have their children die in childhood. Thus, those are the people who tend to adopt the r strategy. It just makes sense to go with quantity over quality when random chance can kill off your kids. But in a stable, safe society, the highest quality individuals will dominate. So, if you design a good political system that favors stability, safety, prosperity, and the accumulation of value, then people will choose more often to go with the K strategy.
      
      I want to repeat for emphasis: Molyneux is ENTIRELY WRONG about genes determining whether a person uses the r or K strategy. We are all capable of either one. There is NO self-feeding cycle, where “genetically r” people implement r selection pressures to enhance their reproductive chances. The moment you put those r-strategy individuals into a libertarian system of private property rights, they will start switching over to the K strategy.
      
      Read more
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:37am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Educate the women and the reproductive rate declines.
      http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/fertility/world-fertility-patterns-2015.pdf
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        South Korea apparently has the lowest fertility rate with Women opting out of marriage and having families etc,
        
        https://qz.com/1219977/south-korea-recorded-its-lowest-ever-fertility-rate-in-2017/
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:44am
    - realityczech
      
      Eddy, have you seen this free ebook?
      
      Amazon refused to publish it after pressure from Jewish supremist groups.
      
      https://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/
      
      “The Jewish organizations said in their pleas to Amazon to ban the book that the “threats against Jewish Community Centers” which were so rife in the US in 2017 were “evidence of rising anti-Semitism” and that therefore books like The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? needed to be removed from the public arena.
      
      As everyone now knows, the “threats against the Jewish Community Centers” all came from a Jew, Micheal Ron David Kadar, in Israel who was only arrested after the US sent the FBI to that country, because the Israeli police had not acted against him.
      “
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        Kea , obtainable at this branch of Amazon,
        
        https://www.amazon.com.au/Six-Million-Fact-Fiction/dp/1684186196/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1534974327&sr=8-2&keywords=Peter+winter
        
        LOL
        
        Now why do you maybe beleive the Holocaust never happened.?
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:46am
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy, were the 20+ million Russians murdered a “holocaust”? Given that Hitler spoke more clearly about exterminating the Slavs than he ever did the Jews.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:55am
hullkiwi

Thanks Winnie & Indiana, we learn this morning there will be no slush at the races, because NZ is going to get multiple all weather racing tracks. Paid for by the slush fund administered by Indiana. The hypocrisy over this stinks. All based on the deal when the CoL was formed. Where are the Red Melons and their support to the corrupt arrangements of Winnie and Jacinda. The justification for protecting private sector business interests with taxpayer money is nothing more than the most appalling double standards. How the f*** is this even remotely regional economic development?
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August 23, 2018 8:09am
- wiseowl
  
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  Could it be anything like National putting $300 million in to funding a dam to help corporate farmers?
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:18am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes it is, because at tleeast Hawkes Bay farmers provide a positive return to the NZ economy many times over. Unlike a the privileged few who run the race industry.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:24am
  - Happychappy
    
    Ha ha your hate for National never changes even when a good point has been posted on Winstons corrupt dealings.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:36am
    - igm
      
      What would you expect from a Labour -loving public servant?
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:37am
      - CHFR1
        
        I am actively involved in the racing industry and as much as I like the idea of the all weather tracks this just stinks.
        To all of you who voted Winston…thanks for nothing.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:01am
  - realityczech
    
    “corporate farmers?”
    
    By “corporate farmers” you mean a collective of food growers?
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:00am
- MrLovebucket
  
  This is how NZF raises money. The racing industry ensures Winnie is supplied with enough winners through the year, in return he subsidies their industry with taxpayer funds.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:19am
  - igm
    
    Maybe racing will repay the $158,000 Toxic Gnome owes NZ taxpayers. Also toss in a bit of interest, about 10%.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:34am
- pdm
  
  Bugger – I was thinking of breeding horses that `go in the wet’ aka wet trackers.
  
  Remember the sire Resurgent of the 19660’s and 70’s or Van Der Hum that won a Melbourne Cup on a very wet tracki in 1976.
  
  Not going to happen any more due to Winston squandering taxpayers money and hey Jacinda – how many kids will this take out of poverdy?
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:22am
  - Longknives
    
    Subzero won his Melbourne Cup wearing a snorkel didn’t he?
    (New Zealand’s Veandercross ran an absolutely huge race for second)
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:21am
- Paulus
  
  We have only see the first five pages from Peters 35 ? page “agreement”.
  Wait a little longer and see what comes out prior to the election.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:28am
MrLovebucket

Help! I think my daughter might be a leftie. She can sometimes be very jealous and wants to take things off others. She can be repetitive in what she says and often grizzles and moans over nothing. At times she can be completely unresponsive to logic and reason and has a tendency to be loud – often trying to be the loudest in the room.

Should I be worried, or the fact that she is only a 3yr old means she will likely grow up and turn into a normal person.
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August 23, 2018 8:09am
- pdm
  
  MrLoveb – it happens.
  
  I have been telling my 47 year old daughter for the last 15 year that she is a communist. It has happened despite our best endeavours to educate her properly.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:25am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Tell your daughter that you intend for your estate to gift all of your assets to the government of New Zealand, to be distributed to the People, according to their need, and see if she changes her tune.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:41am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      I did something similar to my granddaughter. She does not even want me to have any more overseas holidays because it means less money for her. I just showed her the Alaska Itinerary for 2020. She hates me now
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:00am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Alaska, you say?
        Ah, the SKI holiday…
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:04am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Almost good as my step father being asked by his children for an early pay out in case he was thinking of sharing his estate with ‘her’ children.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:26am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Odakyu-sen, the Aurora Borealis holiday – way up in the interior
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:56am
      - GoVege
        
        Paulus: My favourite aunty pressured ,(bullied?) her 2nd husband of 25 years to leave everything to her, and 2 years later it all went to her son and grandchildren when she died.
        (And they had already got a massive inheritance from their own father and grandfather a few years before.)
        His (the 2nd husband’s) own grandchildren got nothing from their own grandfather.
        
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        August 23, 2018 1:57pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        @PG
        My step-darlings wanted an early payout. Offered them $3.50 to go away and for some reason they didn’t accept but I haven’t heard from them since.
        They’ll get a fair share of whatever I don’t spend on me (it’s my money) and I have no idea what my future needs are or how long I need to maintain myself for.
        
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        August 23, 2018 7:47pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Why is she one of those who
    
    Recites what is yours is hers;
    Reminds you that what is hers is hers;
    She wants what everybody else has;
    She needs lots of committees to get something done, but doesn’t believe in democracy;
    She needs plenty of economic/bureaucratic planning to produce something that is not needed;
    When she does do something, it is not what is needed and she did it in the most unproductive manner possible.
    
    With that she could fit in well with the gummit of Aotearoa as we have it.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Give her a little sibling.
  Then introduce the concept of sharing….
  
  She may remain a leftie… but you will discover if she is a true socialist…. or a potential Prime Minister.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:56am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A quote comes to mind:
  “If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain”
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:01am
holysheet

Hone and Kelvin walk into a restaurant. While having a bite to eat, they talk about their latest whanau money making scheme. Suddenly, a woman at a nearby table, who is eating a sandwich, begins to cough. After a minute or so, it becomes apparent that she is in real distress. Hone looks at her and says, ‘Can ya swollow?’ The woman shakes her head no. Then he asks, “Can ya breathe?’ The woman begins to turn blue and shakes her head no. Hone walks over to the woman, lifts up her dress, yanks down her knickers, and quickly gives her right butt cheek an almighty great lick with his tongue. The woman is so fucking shocked that she has a violent spasm, and the obstruction flies out of her mouth. As she begins to breathe again, Hone walks slowly back to his table. Kelvin says, ‘Ya know, I’d heard of that ‘Hind Lick Maneuver’ but I ain’t never seen nobody do it!’
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August 23, 2018 8:11am
- Nostradamus
  
  Holysheet:
  
  Kelvin says … “Maneuver”.
  
  It’s hard to believe that Kelvin could get his tongue around such a complicated word!
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:36am
  - SGA
    
    Perhaps he can spell it properly instead 🙂
    (i’m guessing the joke was editted from an American source.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:44am
secondcumming

Something for all those ‘grammar nazi’s’ out there 🙂

THE CORRECT WAY TO SPELL POTATO…..

If GH can stand for P as in ‘hiccough,’
If OUGH can stand for O as in ‘dough’
If PHTH can stand for T as in ‘phthisis’
If EIGH can stand for A as in ‘neighbor’
If TTE can stand for T as in ‘gazette,’
If EAU can stand for O as in ‘plateau’

Then the correct way to spell potato would be:
GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU
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August 23, 2018 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  On a similar note, Why is Arkansas said as Rkinsaw, when Kansas is said kansas.
  Should it not be Rkansas?
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:22am
- SGA
  
  GH can stand for P as in ‘hiccough’
  
  The whole “ough” construction is a curious beast in English –
  though (cf. toe).
  through (cf. true).
  rough (cf. ruffian).
  cough (cf. coffin).
  thought (cf. taut).
  bough (cf. to bow [the gesture])
  hiccough (cf. cup)
  borough can be an “o” or more of an “a” depending on where you are.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Chaos
    
    I take it you already know
    Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
    Others may stumble but not you
    On hiccough, thorough, slough and through.
    Well done! And now you wish perhaps,
    To learn of less familiar traps?
    
    Beware of heard, a dreadful word
    That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
    And dead, it’s said like bed, not bead-
    for goodness’ sake don’t call it ‘deed’!
    Watch out for meat and great and threat
    (they rhyme with suite and straight and debt).
    
    A moth is not a moth in mother,
    Nor both in bother, broth, or brother,
    And here is not a match for there,
    Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
    And then there’s doze and rose and lose-
    Just look them up- and goose and choose,
    And cork and work and card and ward
    And font and front and word and sword,
    And do and go and thwart and cart-
    Come, I’ve hardly made a start!
    A dreadful language? Man alive!
    I’d learned to speak it when I was five!
    And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
    I’ll not learn how ’til the day I die.
    
    -Gerard Nolst Trenité,
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:28am
    - SGA
      
      Nice, love it.
      
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      August 23, 2018 10:45am
Justitia

What the hell is happening at Antarctica NZ?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106468729/antarctica-nz-board-to-protect-privacy-of-disgraced-ceo

Is board membership a family affair? Why do we have such a high powered board for a $20 million a year operation? Why has the CEO been sacked so abruptly? Lots of questions here.
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August 23, 2018 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  Reading between the lines he was banging someone’s wife on company property.
  
  You can’t have transparency and privacy at the same time.
  
  That’s a big problem here in Aoteroa formerly New Zealand.
  
  So many ventures are propped up with tax payers’ money and yet there appears to be so little accountability to us the payer.
  
  It also leaves the nasty impression that corrupt practises can go unpunished and unremarked.
  
  Drain the Swamp.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Sounds like he might have been banging more than one.
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:45am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Anybody asked Len for an opinion or is no-one going to live that long?
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hahahaha..
  stephieboy assured us a few days back that they all had impeccable managerial pedigrees…
  http://www.antarcticanz.govt.nz/about-us/governance/board-of-directors/
  
  Appears that most have bonded over some Rugby do, if you ask me.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:02am
  - Justitia
    
    Thanks Maggy. Curious and curiouser. There’s only one (ex) scientist on the board. Isn’t Scott Base meant to be all about science? They have a “Community Engagement Programme” where they send staff to London for a film premiere? I also found that Hunter’s husband, Mr Powell, was also a member of the board not so long ago. (Scratches head).
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, never said any such thing.
    
    BTW do you think they could do better with more Botanists or NIWA scientists?
    
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    August 23, 2018 1:03pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy: stephieboy assured us a few days back that they all had impeccable managerial pedigrees…
      
      Stephieboy: MW, never said any such thing.
      
      So what did Stephieboy say:
      
      MW, well they certainly don’t need a botanist if as that that what you’re thinking. All display sound abilities and experiences in business management, commerce, leadership etc which is exactly what is required.
      
      Stephieboy, once again, is caught out telling porkies!
      
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      August 23, 2018 3:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Nostradamus
        
        Your fee is in the post.
        (Sorry, I’ve had to drop the bonus)
        
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        August 23, 2018 3:56pm
Lee C

The PM froze MP’s pay. Is this part of her job? Is she their employer? If I announced I was freezing your pay would you have your union speak up for you?
Where are the unions here?
Why is this abuse of Prime Ministerial power simply accepted?
Grow some balls and put Bishop in charge.
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August 23, 2018 8:24am
- MCos
  
  The MPs voted, or will vote, for the their own pay freeze.
  The PM cannot unilaterally impose a freeze. If the MPs feel they are hard done by or they want to stand on principle they can vote for an increase.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:47am
  - redeye
    
    And risk being chucked out of the waka?
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:18am
  - Happychappy
    
    MCos as you seem to know about what’s happening with MP’s salary I would like to know about the PM’s salary. Whilst I believe the PM should be paid well for the job they do I can’t understand why our PM is able to earn salary more than the British Prime Minister when you look at the size and population of Britain. I am asking this question for others thoughts and not to take the piss out of our PM.
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:22am
    - MCos
      
      Anyone who follows the news knows what’s happening with regards to the MPs salaries.
      As to whether our people should or shouldn’t be paid more than elsewhere. It’s all arbitrary.
      
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      August 23, 2018 11:43am
- KevOB
  
  Jacinda being Regal. She is not the Authority and has to operate within the law. She proposes to change the guidelines.
  Her arbitrary decisions do trample on the MP’s rights. This would not be tolerated in industry. Her wishes should be signaled and if agreed by the whole Parliament be applied as from the next session.
  
  Wasn’t the Remuneration Authority created to take politics out of MP’s pay?
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:05am
  - MCos
    
    “Her arbitrary decisions do trample on the MP’s rights”
    The decision is made by parliament, not the PM.
    The Nats and anyone else can vote for the status quo. So can Labour for that matter.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:46am
    - KevOB
      
      She acts as though she is in sole charge.
      
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      August 23, 2018 12:47pm
      - Paulus
        
        She is in charge along with H1 an H2.
        Then there is some bloke called Peters.
        
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        August 23, 2018 1:58pm
secondcumming

My missus is a real ‘news junkie’……she plonks her arse down in front of the telly every morning to watch TV3 while eating her breakfast.

She calls out to me this morning, “Quick!! Come and have a look at all the dandruff on the collar of Clive Matthew-Wilson’s black overcoat”.

As I jump out of bed and rush into the TV lounge, she also points out that Duncan Garner is going bald…. and his hands are a “horrible pink color”.

FFS……WIMMIN!
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August 23, 2018 8:29am
- Nostradamus
  
  Secondcumming
  
  [S]he plonks her arse down in front of the telly every morning to watch TV3 while eating her breakfast. … I jump out of bed and rush into the TV lounge …
  
  You mean you have to make your own breakfast? Disgraceful! 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:32am
  - kowtow
    
    You mean you allow her to watch your telly?
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:54am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Just the one tv? Living in poverddy then?
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:31am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sounds like our household. Hubby is very good at finding himself breakfast while I do as Mrs Sc and enjoy a coffee while I gently wake up. ?
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:00am
  - VicParking
    
    TV Lounge…. are you so poor you haven’t got TV’s in the bedroom, bathroom and the kitchen
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:09am
- SGA
  
  She calls out to me this morning, “Quick!! Come and have a look at all the dandruff on the collar of Clive Matthew-Wilson’s black overcoat”.
  As I jump out of bed and rush into the TV lounge, she also points out that Duncan Garner is going bald…. and his hands are a “horrible pink color”.
  
  That’s her way of telling you that it is time to fork out for a better TV…
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:32am
  - MCos
    
    More likely she’s bored.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:49am
Simon

Saw on the interweb that had you brought one million USD worth of Venezuela’s currency when some tard called Maduro came to power in 2013 it would be worth $3.40 now.

The people holding NZ together aint Labo but our overseas creditors. They keep watch. But there are probably going to some spillages.
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August 23, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Cancelled due to moderation FU
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:10am
Fletch

Regarding Cohen’s plea, etc.

According to what I am reading, a president can only be impeached for ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’. And any possible offending by Trump does not reach to that level.

The further removed misconduct is from the core responsibilities of the presidency, the less political support there will be for the president’s removal from office. This is critical because impeachment is a political remedy, not a legal one. The way the Framers designed the process — which requires just a simple House majority to file articles of impeachment, but a two-thirds Senate super-majority for removal — no president will ever be removed from office absent misconduct egregious enough to spur a consensus for removal that cuts across partisan lines. Such misconduct would surely have to involve either (a) an abuse of power involving core presidential powers; or (b) an extremely serious crime (if unrelated, or only tangentially related, to presidential power).

The conduct here is not of the egregious nature that rises to high crimes and misdemeanors — it is an infraction committed by many political candidates and often not even prosecuted. More to the point, it is remote from the core responsibilities of the presidency, implicating pre-election actions to conceal alleged indiscretions that occurred a decade earlier. And while the president has denied the indiscretions, it is not like the allegations come as any surprise to the public, who, while well aware of his flaws, elected Donald Trump nonetheless.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/what-to-make-of-the-cohen-plea-and-manafort-convictions/

According to Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, just about every presidential candidate violates the election laws and usually just end up paying a fine.

“Every administration violates the election laws. Every candidate violates the election laws when they run for president. Usually, they pay a fine or something like that happens.”

“Here they’re trying to elevate this into an impeachable offense or a felony against the president,” Dershowitz concluded. “This is the beginning of a story that will unravel over time, but it’s not nearly as deadly lethal as some have portrayed it as being.”

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/22/michael-cohen-plea-deal-dershowitz/

Obama violated the law in 2008 when he ran –

The Justice Department has a history of treating serious campaign-finance transgressions as administrative violations, not felonies. A prominent example: The 2008 Obama campaign accepted nearly $2 million in illegal campaign contributions, but was permitted to settle the matter with a $375,000 fine.

So, yeh, although Trump has had a bad week, I doubt that there is anything that can lawfully be used to impeach him (although the Dems will try if they gain the House – just because).
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August 23, 2018 8:48am
- Inandout
  
  You can understand Trump’s frustration that the Democrats/MSM/Mueller cartel completely ignore Hillary’s shady deals, but try to hobble his administration at every turn. Fortunately Trump’s enemies rely on an outdated news feed that only dyed in the wool Democrats watch. I am glad psychotic CNN is sinking fast with viewers.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, ” Hillary’s shady deals”??
    
    Such as ?
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:12am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      White water
      Russian dossier
      Threatening her husband’s sex victims
      keeping top secret stuff on a private unsecured server
      wiping emails
      Sharing national secrets with her aid, which ended up on Anthony Wieners lap top.
      Benghazi
      Pay for play
      Clinton foundation scam
      etc etc etc
      Oh what a very short memory you have.
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:53am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      FFS seriously? Hillary, one of the most dishonest politicians in the USA. Still hoping she gets an orange jumpsuit… As for Bill, he needs a purple heart for banging her.
      
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      August 23, 2018 8:39pm
- KevOB
  
  There are others waiting their turn: Mueller, Hillary and a whole lot more.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:08am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , totally false ,
  
  Obama’s Troubling Internet Fund-Raising
  
  Do the bulk of donations to the Obama campaign come from a handful of wealthy foreign financiers?
  
  X FALSE
  
  Origins,
  
  The faux news article reproduced below is a masterful bit of political effluvium, one which proffers the “shocking revelation” that not only were the bulk of donations to Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign made via the Internet coming from a handful of wealthy financiers in China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and “other Middle Eastern countries” (rather than from American voters), but that Senator Obama was fine with accepting such tainted and compromised funding because of the technicality that “none of these donations violated campaign financing laws…..”
  
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/campaign-contributions/
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:19am
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784
    
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    August 23, 2018 5:12pm
DigNap15

What happened to all those hot Venezuelan women who used to win Miss World all the time?

I hear about 2 million Venezuelans love Maduro so much they have left the country!
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August 23, 2018 8:48am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck, if the women in New Zealand turn out like this I’m all for Jacinda chicky babe turning us into the next Venezuela….
  
  https://beautypageants.indiatimes.com/Most-stunning-Venezuelan-beauty-queens/Most-stunning-Venezuelan-beauty-queens/eventshow/52553106.cms
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:42pm
DigNap15

Improve your Maori Vocabulary by following my daily lessons
Word Number 14
Cited
Oh dear, there is no Maori word for cited.
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August 23, 2018 8:50am
- KevOB
  
  A good reason to use English.
  Maori may be an official language but which Maori?
  Just received a college report with table headings in Pidgin Maori. Ignorant and rude. It does not communicate and the subject of the report was pupils attitudes. There was no grammatical context so the language was being stripped of dignity and meaning by wannabes. Educators with out knowledge.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:14am
  - kowtow
    
    It may not communicate , but most importantly , it feelz.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:32am
  - lifesgood
    
    I went to a function recently where 90% of the attendees were european NZers. Unfortunately the local maori tribe were invited and proceeded to burble on endlessly in maori. Nobody had a clue what they were talking about. It did them no favours, just got everyone’s, apart from the sickly white green stone wearers, backs up. Actually it is straight out rude. I can speak Italian and have Italian ancestors, what if I came in and harangued everyone in Italian for half an hour, how would that go down? And I don’t want to hear any rubbish about tangata whenua…they all, without exception, have european ancestors as well.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:32am
    - DigNap15
      
      You should have all walked out.
      The stupid thing is this attempted Maorification of our education system when the fact is that Maoris had no education before 1840
      And every immigrant that comes here can speak better English than they do! And does well at science and maths etc.
      
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      August 23, 2018 11:27am
    - Longknives
      
      It’s funny.
      I openly tell people that I have no interest whatsoever in learning Maori- I inevitably then get a boring lecture about how learning a second language would ‘broaden my horizons’ and ‘exercise my brain’ etc etc
      I speak two languages- And know a little of several others. (always learning)
      Nobody has ever bothered to ask me about them though-There is only one culture that counts in this Country it seems..
      
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      August 23, 2018 11:32am
      - Paulus
        
        Have just heard my Granddaughter, a 3 year State Service H/O employee is learning Maori.
        Cannot see why – understand she was advise it would be good for her career.
        Never sure why she joined that Ministry as she had other non public service jobs on offer.
        She already speaks, French, German and Mandarin and has two good degrees,
        
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        August 23, 2018 2:05pm
Monique Watson

Anybody up for a game of Neck?
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August 23, 2018 8:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  What are the rules? ?
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Rules in a minit or so.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:33am
  - cha
    
    What are the rules?
    
    Bash, spit, swallow?.
    
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20Rules%20of%20Neck
    
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neck%20game
    
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    August 23, 2018 5:12pm
- Longknives
  
  Is that like Three Man or Kings and Assholes?
  If so- I’m in!
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:24am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Like to oblige Monique, but you re too far away. Next time you are in NZ, come to Tauranga and make the same offer. 😉
  
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  August 23, 2018 5:08pm
Inandout

There was a time that when our dollar rose fuel would take weeks to drop, on the excuse that oil companies ‘bought ahead’. Our dollar has again risen supposedly on strong consumer spending, and miraculously petrol is cheaper this morning. Is this because the oil companies are wary of this unpredictable government and want to act by the book, or didn’t Judith Collins try hard enough to screw them down when she was last in government?
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August 23, 2018 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  The largest component in the price of fuel is the gubmint tax take.
  
  The problem isn’t exchange rates or rapacious oil companies , the problem is gubmint.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:30am
Monique Watson

These are the rules: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20Rules%20of%20Neck
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August 23, 2018 9:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  Pass. Sounds like being half pie-eyed would be necessary and it’s only 10am here. ? You go ahead Monique. Give us the score later.
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:08am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Awww shit Monique.
    I though it had something to do with – like – necking.
    But nek minit you want to slap me? No way. 🙁
    
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    August 23, 2018 5:13pm
Harkman

So Michael Cohen pled guilty to a crime of violating electoral finance laws to the tune of $280k and faces jail time. Back in 2013 the 2008 Obama campaign was fined $375k for $1.8m in violations. By this standard he should have paid $56k in fines. Sounds like Cohen has been screwed, who’s his lawyer oh Lanny Davis, the no. 1 Clinton supporter in America.
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August 23, 2018 9:16am
- Inandout
  
  If it is not on Snopes then stephie will not be interested.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Handout, rather like not accepting the archaeological and scientific evidence against a pre-Maori civilisation?
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:25am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      How is that relevant – to anything?
      
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      August 23, 2018 1:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman, Davis was a No! Clinton supporter rather like the President himself, too!
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:23am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, why do you lie like that? he was one of her lawyers and spokespeople FFS, its no wonder you are seen as a fucking moron on this blog…
    
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    August 23, 2018 11:38am
- EAD_TWO
  
  There’s only one political movement that could have warned Trump that hiring a Cohen would be disastrous.
  
  But he was forced to repeatedly renounce that movement and it’s ideas.
  
  The alt-right were right. Again.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:30am
  - softail 1450
    
    EAD -TWO Trump was warned many times about that”dog” Amarosa ,some even went as far as suggesting she was a democratic plant.
    What a disloyal pig she turned out to be….
    
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    August 23, 2018 11:43am
- Paulus
  
  Whatever Cohen did in respect of the President there is no case to answer, as the money he passed to these females, did not constitute a felony under US Electoral Law as had nothing to do with the Election expenses..
  
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  August 23, 2018 2:09pm
RF

Recently I visited a client of mine who has a dairy farm. We had a walk through the yards and I noticed one black cow that was walking very slowly behind the others. It’s looked old and knackered.

I was told that it was known to farm employees as Winston as it was buggered, full of shit and it’s days were numbered.

That really cracked me up.

General comments made by the client confirmed that the COL was definately not a friend of farmers.
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August 23, 2018 9:27am
Philview

A question. Is Andrew Little the real leader of the Labour Party? He seems to be the guy fronting everything while Jacinda has more of a background photo op, smile with baby role with the odd captain’s call thrown in. When John Key was PM he was the one in charge and front footing it on all the issues.
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August 23, 2018 9:30am
- RF
  
  Little is a nasty POS.
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:02pm
kowtow

How come it’s OK for the EU to have a wall between it and Africa , but not OK for Trump to build a wall ?

Meanwhile the invaders become increasingly violent.

‘More than 100 migrants storm border of Spanish enclave ‘throwing battery acid’ at border guards’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/22/100-migrants-storm-border-spanish-enclave-throwing-battery-acid/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
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August 23, 2018 9:40am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, the Mexican border wall dream lives on,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/mar/13/trump-examines-border-wall-prototypes-in-california-video
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:51am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy,, The Chinese have a great wall and they don’t have any Mexican illegal immigration problems…….as usual with your crap “old news”.
    
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    August 23, 2018 11:47am
- Philview
  
  Mrs Merkel had another cosy meeting with Mr Putin at the weekend. He speaks fluent German and she speaks fluent Russian said the article I read. There didn’t seem to be much of a fuss about the meeting in the international media. The topics of discussion included Trump and the new gas pipeline that is going to shaft the economy of the Ukraine. I think Trump on the campaign trail walked into a trap set by some cunning bastards. I bet Putin loves the destabilising forces playing out in the US now and a far bigger victory than hacking a few emails.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  Spain, which used to be an Islamic enclave, looks to be returning to its past. The tourist trade will take a hit and that means the Spanish people will suffer. If anyone can’t see Europe turning into a war zone they are dreaming. Increasingly the US tourist trade will reap the rewards.
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:35am
Prince

In the interest of posidivity and reaching across the political divide, how about opening up these new racecourses to shelter the homeless for the 99% of the time they will be empty.
The poor beggars could mow lawns, clean the premises etc.
Various charities and Govt agencies could take turns delivering meals and tending to the sick and infirm.
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August 23, 2018 9:49am
ISeeRed

Starting my first Kiwisaver at age 47 (have been overseas a few decades). Need to grow it aggressively. NZ equities have historically performed best with most fund providers, but with this economically illiterate government, should NZ share market be avoided? Would international equities be better? Any thoughts where I should focus in the short term?
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August 23, 2018 9:50am
- burt
  
  Focus on staying well away from anything the government can confiscate and give to people who are not already voting for them.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:57am
- softail 1450
  
  ISeeRed,, seriously ,build a big weatherproof barn , go out and buy all the old falcons and commodores you can at around $800.00 to $2000.00 pack them in that shed as many as you can and sit on them for 20 years ,utes are probably better but anything will do.
  If you had done that 20 years ago you would be rolling in it now ,old rusty dented xy falcons are
  worth moonbeams ,reasonable examples are just about “name your price”
  GT’s are gold, even a totally stuffed original GTHO is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars…
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:59am
- noskire
  
  Milford Active Growth fund. It has averaged a return of about 13% per annum since 2007, and almost 17% for the last year. The pick of the bunch of the KiwiSaver providers IMO – actually I think it was a DPF post that put me on to them.
  
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  August 23, 2018 7:22pm
burt

There is something wrong here;

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106497761/air-new-zealand-posts-nearrecord-profit-to-pay-1800-staff-bonus

I though we were stopping all performance bonus schemes ?
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August 23, 2018 9:56am
- Philview
  
  Give it time. Shane Jones said a few months ago that the Government wants to get their own “shitkickers” in to run things. The first step is to strip bonuses and pay rises. We are seeing pressure being put on, calling for the CEOs to resign or bypassing the Board and having secret meetings with employees. Getting the incumbents out and the “shitkickers” in will not happen overnight.
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:08am
Captain Mainwaring

How is the Duck’s enquiry into who leaked Bridges’ use of limos going?
Has it come to a grinding halt because it started pointing towards someone from Labour?
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August 23, 2018 9:57am
- lifesgood
  
  I’m assuming things are moving along with the Labour sex camp enquiry too, and what about Mateiria Turia’s theft from the tax payer and Winston pretending he didn’t know the rules on super and,and, and…….?
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:06am
- Happychappy
  
  It’s like the Young Labour Summer Camp sexual assault inquiry they are just waiting for a big story to hit the news and will release the results to the Media to hide in their bias rags.
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:06am
- Philview
  
  RNZ attacked Bridges earlier in the week for wasting taxpayers money on this inquiry. I read another report delighted that National was under pressure related to its stance on the “Waka” Bill and facing the risk of losing an MP. This suggested to me that media know that the leak didn’t come from National and the timing was all about making Bridges crack under pressure and soften his opposition to the “Waka” Bill.
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:17am
  - Prince
    
    Can you provide a link ?
    I’d be surprised any Nat MP supported the ‘Waka’ bill. It is universally hated.
    
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    August 23, 2018 12:02pm
    - Philview
      
      Sorry, I can’t find the link. The report was telling Bridges he would have to sack an MP who would become an independent under the old legislation. The article was putting the pressure on Bridges to reconsider their stance on the “Waka” Bill. The timing of the leak and the “Waka” Bill seemed too much of a coincidence hence I doubt the leak came from National.
      
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      August 23, 2018 1:14pm
- softail 1450
  
  C M ,the bludgers are all on vacation……
  
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  August 23, 2018 12:09pm
- Tricati
  
  I see the government MP’s costs are not now being released for 2 weeks.
  Maybe some embarrassment coming for them or having to re-allocate the cost centers!!!
  
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  August 23, 2018 1:13pm
- Paulus
  
  Ex Sol Gen/Judge Heron QC appointed today.
  Too late for forensic experts to trace though – which is why Mallard slowed it down.
  
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  August 23, 2018 2:13pm
Jack5

What’s up with World Vision pushing New Zealand to intervene in the Australian border-gatecrasher detention centres?

World Vision has launched a campaign calling on NZ to take children of the boat people from the Nauru Centre. To me this campaign seems to be crossing the line into political activism.

The problem for NZ is that cuts across relations with Australia, where a new harder-line politician is threatening to take control of the Government. Australia regards open entry of people from NZ as a back door, and could easily shut this if it thinks NZ is undermining its tight border controls.

World Vision is run by American Evangelist Christians. I found interesting this paragraph in a Wikipedia article on World Vision:

Ian Buchanan, author of “Armies Of God: A Study In Militant Christianity”, has claimed that World Vision is effectively an arm of the United States Department of State.

There has been controversy about World Vision in Israel and Palestine, with accusations money was being diverted to Hamas. The doubts are probably not surprising, given that evangelical Christians, who are behind World Vision, are often strong supporters of Israel. However, WIkipedia reports an inquiry by the Australian Government “came to the conclusion that no Australian taxpayer money was diverted to Hamas.”

In New Zealand, the financial statements of the World Vision of NZ Trust Board show that in its latest reported year (to September 30, 2017), $3.156 million was received in grants from the NZ Government. (The previous year it received $5.554 million from the Government.) World Vision NZ’s income from the New Zealand public, including businesses, for 2017 totalled $39.12 million.
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August 23, 2018 10:22am
- realityczech
  
  While in Israel they are rounding up the darkies and putting them into camps for removal.
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/israel-to-deport-40000-african-refugees-without-their-consent/a-41443084
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:27am
  - Jack5
    
    Are you gonna ask World Vision to return your donation, ‼️KeaRealityczech‼️ ???
    
    Did ya think it was going to Hamas?
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:29am
    - realityczech
      
      No I do not support religious zealots.
      
      “
      Ideology Jewish nationalism
      Jewish orthodoxy
      The Zealots were a political movement in 1st-century Second Temple Judaism, which sought to incite the people of Judea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy Land by force of arms, most notably during the First Jewish–Roman War (66–70). Zealotry was the term used by Josephus for a “fourth sect” or “fourth Jewish philosophy” during this period.
      
      Wiki
      
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      August 23, 2018 10:31am
      - realityczech
        
        “The Holocaust storytellers also omit to say that Gerstein conveniently “committed suicide” as soon as he had completed his “revised” affidavits—and so never testified in court, nor was ever cross-questioned on his fantastic claims.”
        
        https://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-3-commonly-used-lies-and.html
        
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        August 23, 2018 10:54am
      - realityczech
        
        CHAPTER 20: “EYEWITNESS” ACCOUNTS
        
        As shown above, the physical evidence for mass exterminations is simply not there, and, as a result, the Holocaust storytellers have relied on “holocaust survivors” and “eyewitness accounts” to bolster the allegations of “mass murder.”
        
        We have already seen how the Israeli Supreme Court dismissed all the Jewish “eyewitnesses” at the Demjanjuk Trial in Jerusalem as liars. This tendency to lie, exaggerate, and fabricate is the overriding characteristic of almost all “eyewitness” literature.
        
        Section 115: Simon Wiesenthal’s Faked “Memoirs”
        
        One of the world’s most famous Holocaust “survivors” was the Austrian Jew, Simon Wiesenthal. He claimed to have been interned at the Mauthausen camp and after the war, devoted his life to hunting ex-Nazis. Wiesenthal had an organization (which is still in existence), devoted to Jewish interests and promoting the mass extermination legend, named after him.
        Yet it is a little known fact that Wiesenthal’s own personal Holocaust memoirs, entitled KZ Mauthausen, Bild und Wort (“Concentration Camp Mauthausen, Pictures and Words”), published in 1946, contains one of the most blatant forgeries of all Holocaust memoirs.
        
        Although Wiesenthal alleged in his book that the drawing of the three shot Jews occurred in Mauthausen, the pictures were in reality plagiarized from a series of photographs which appeared in Life magazine of June 11, 1945. The series of photographs were of German soldiers, captured during the “Battle of the Bulge” wearing American uniforms, and executed by firing squad as allowed by the Geneva Convention.
        
        Wiesenthal copied his picture of “three shot Jews” from this Life photo essay, as can be seen in the illustrations below.
        
        https://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-20-eyewitness-accounts.html
        
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        August 23, 2018 10:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      kea, conveniently ??
      
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      August 23, 2018 10:56am
  - DigNap15
    
    I wish they would hurry up and do it, that is old news.
    
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    August 23, 2018 11:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  Meanwhile, Winston was heard to say while being questioned yesterday at an Australian press conference, “a politician visiting another country is wise not to involve themselves in that country’s politics”.
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What’s up with World Vision pushing New Zealand to intervene in the Australian border-gatecrasher detention centres?
  Could be because World Vision NZ’s new CEO is the old CEO of Amnesty International NZ….
  
  https://www.worldvision.org.nz/about/media/world-vision-new-zealand-announces-new-ceo
  
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  August 23, 2018 12:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    You’ve nailed it, thank you Maggy.
    
    NGO Monitor has claimed these are some of the problems of Amnesty International (warning: the following extract mentions Israel in a way that could inflame ~~the avian ass~~ ~~bird brain~~ ‼️Kearealityczech‼️):
    
    – Financial mismanagement among Amnesty’s corporate officers, most notably in the redundancy packages of former Secretary General Irene Khan and her deputy Kate Gilmore.
    
    – A professional staff who believe that Amnesty is undermining human rights through its own policies and practices. In the words of Gita Sahgal, former head of the Gender Unit, Amnesty’s relationship with a pro-Taliban group “fundamentally damages Amnesty International’s integrity and, more importantly, constitutes a threat to human rights.”
    
    – Repeated examples of “lawfare,” the tendentious misapplications of legal terms and statutes to create the false impression of guilt.
    
    – Likewise, systematic flaws in the reporting of human rights abuses, including the repetition of false libels and comparison of Israel to terror groups such as Hamas.
    
    – An inadequate understanding of armed conflict leading to erroneous claims and incorrect analysis.
    
    – Violation of the universality of human rights, including a consistent institutionalized bias against Israel through double standards.
    
    – The employment of individuals in key research and leadership positions whose backgrounds, skills, and activities demonstrate the absence of professional human rights experience, exacerbated by deep ideological and political bias. This trend is incompatible with the requirements for credible and universal human rights reporting and analysis.
    
    https://www.ngo-monitor.org/books/amnesty_international_failed_methodology_corruption_and_anti_israel_bias/
    
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    August 23, 2018 3:05pm
Jack5

???Here, Kea.

Here Kea,Kea,Kea,Kea,Kea,Kea,Kea!

Good parrot, come down and play.?
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August 23, 2018 10:31am
realityczech

Section 17: The Outrageous Lies and Distortions of the “Kurt Gerstein Statement”

One of the most commonly quoted sources for the “mass gassings” claim is a series of statements made after the war by Kurt Gerstein, a former SS Officer. His statements, now known as “The Gerstein Statement” contain what he claimed were to be eyewitness accounts of mass gassings at camps in Poland…

A selection of some of the more incredible claims in the Gerstein Statements include:
– Gerstein’s first statement said the Nazis had gassed 40 million people—and did not specify that they were Jews. His second statement reduced this figure to 20 million.
– He claimed to have seen, while on a visit to the Treblinka, 8 gas chambers and “whole mountains of clothes and underwear about 35–40 meters high.”
If it is borne in mind that the average height of a house story is 2.66 meters, then an idea is gained of exactly how high 40 meters is—in other words, he claimed that there were heaps of clothes as high as 15-storey buildings. The sheer physical impossibility of such a mountain of clothes proves the statement to be false.
– He claimed to have been present at a gassing near the Polish town of Belzec in August of 1942, describing the “gas chamber” as follows: “The people are stepping on each other’s feet, 700–800 persons to 25 square meters, 45 cubic meters.” This translates to between 28 and 32 persons were crammed into each cubic meter, something which is nearly physically impossible.
This physical impossibility was acknowledged quite early on by the Holocaust storytellers, and the author Leon Poliakov in particular, who in his 1951 work Breviary of Hate, contained a version of the Gerstein Statement which changed the area of the gas chambers to 93 square meters, thus cutting down Gerstein’s figures to a much more believable 7.5–8.6 persons per square meter.

https://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-3-commonly-used-lies-and.html
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- stephieboy
  
  Kea , Guertseins grossly inflated claims are effectively dealt with here ,
  
  Thomas Klueless on Gerstein
  
  Author: Sergey Romanov
  
  The new “revisionist” star Thomas Kues strikes me as a “Samuel Crowell”-lite: a somewhat “savvy” guy who can write coherently, but who at the same time is a pompous long-winded ignoramus, who mostly fills his writings with his irrelevant observations on witnesses’ testimonies (tearing witnesses apart – oh, what a hard work!), and who does not really dig deep. But at least “Crowell” (nom de plume of Alan Buel Kennady) seems to have done a bit of original documentary research (which, in the end, was demolished by Carlo Mattogno anyway). Kues is more of a commentator. When Kues was posting as Laurentz Dahl at the Cesspit, he demonstrated that he was quite inept at handling the historical evidence.
  
  First, necessary preliminaries. Here’s my take on Gerstein’s report(s) (check the original article for more details):
  
  Deniers have long been picking on Kurt Gerstein’s testimony, and some of their criticisms are correct. Dr. Christopher Browning summarizes the correct attitude to this testimony thus:
  Many aspects of Gerstein’s testimony are unquestionably problematic. Several statements he attributes to Globocnik are clearly exagerrated or false, and it is not clear whether Gerstein or Globocnik was the faulty source. In other statements, such as the height of the piles of shoes and clothing at Belzec and Treblinka, Gerstein himself is clearly the source of exaggeration. Gerstein also added grossly exaggerated claims about matters to which he was not an eyewitness, such as that a total of 25 million Jews and others were gassed. But in the essential issue, namely that he was in Belzec and witnessed the gassing of a transport of Jews from Lwow, his testimony is fully corroborated by Pfannenstiel. It is also corroborated by other categories of witnesses from Belzec.
  
  …….”
  
  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/11/thomas-klueless-on-gerstein.html
  
  Meanwhile like EAD you can busy yourself with accounting for the disappearance of 2.3 million Jews from Poland and 1.5 million occupied Russia during WW2
  
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  August 23, 2018 10:55am
  - realityczech
    
    How do you account for 20+ plus missing Russians, or the other 40 million missing people?
    
    It is worth remembering that Russia had the worlds highest Jewish population at the time. Though you only seemed concerned about Jewish Russians. The rest deserved to die in your mind?
    
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    August 23, 2018 11:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      kea, keep things simple.Just occupy yourself with the missing 1.5 million Jews who disappeared in occupied Russia and don’t forget the 2.3 million in Poland.
      
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      August 23, 2018 12:43pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy, no one doubts that some of the 60-70 million who died in the war were Jews.
        
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        August 23, 2018 4:34pm
- Fletch
  
  The total irony here is the Left and the media comparing Trump with Nazis, but when Trump deports a real actual Nazi, they get upset. Go figure… ?‍♂️
  
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  August 23, 2018 1:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yeah, and he’s assisted in getting it done by openly gay Ambassador to Germany Grenfall!
    Wonder what White Supremacist Richard Spencer makes of that.
    Oh that’s right- Spencer is a Democrat voter.
    
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    August 23, 2018 1:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , stop telling fibs! He was one but his extreme alt tight politics is obviously incompatible with the present Democrat party,
      
      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/peak-absurdity-for-democrats-are-the-real-racists/567317/
      
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      August 23, 2018 1:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re the liar dumbass
        Spencer is on record voting for Democrats and has admitted voting for Kerry.
        And you’ve been shown links proving it.
        
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        August 23, 2018 1:38pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy,,you accusing someone of telling lies ,,,
        ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,,,,,,ffffuuuucccckkk.
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:14am
krazykiwi

AirNZ announces pre-tax earnings of $540m.

Good on them. But what’s happened to their customer service? I’ve been a regular AKL-WLG flyer for 20 years, sometimes more than four sectors each week. AirNZ’s on-time performance this year has been appalling. At once stage recently 11 of my last 12 flights had departed >20 minutes late (or were cancelled).

My working theory is they’ve changed crew shift /standby rosters, and the instance there’s a network delay (traffic, weather) there are downstream staffing issues for the rest of the day.
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August 23, 2018 11:13am
- Jack5
  
  Qantas also reports record profit.
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/qantas-underlying-profit-lifts-to-1-6-billion-a-record-high-20180822-p4zz42.html
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:33am
Odakyu-sen

Here’s a thought.

The downside of having a strong “identity” is that you can become overly insular and develop an attitude that excludes “others.”
This is the fatal flaw in well-meaning government programs that are tribal-based. It is also a limiting factor for those who nobly dedicate their lives to “help their people”. Are you to turn a blind eye to those in need who are not “your people”?
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August 23, 2018 11:20am
- Jack5
  
  The remoteness of New Zealand, that fact that is islands, and that it is mountainous, must have helped the extreme insularity that arose among Maori, with near-perpetual warfare between tribes.
  
  The geography is always going to be a factor in national character.
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:26am
- realityczech
  
  “The downside of having a strong “identity” is that you can become overly insular and develop an attitude that excludes “others.”
  
  Yes like in Israel.
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:35am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Help is at hand for your circumcision envy,
    http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0601/circumcise.html
    If you can`t beat `em rc, join `em, you know you want to.
    
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    August 23, 2018 1:03pm
- Justitia
  
  Tribalism is a very limited and incestuous form of social organization. Not a vehicle for human progress yet highly rewarded in New Zealand.
  
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  August 23, 2018 12:32pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It’s a good thing that recent governments have opened the floodgates to the ethnic modification of Auckland (the locomotive of the nation) to completely overwhelm Maori tribalism on the isthmus and replace it with something similar but on a much grander scale.
    
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    August 23, 2018 12:47pm
Jack5

Winston Peters looks after his supporters …

Millions of taxpayer money to shelled out to the racing industry to build all-weather tracks. No longer will meetings have to be cancelled because of the weather.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364721/racing-industry-to-get-govt-funding-for-multiple-all-weather-tracks
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August 23, 2018 11:22am
- realityczech
  
  Just as JK looked after his supporters. They all do it.
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:24am
  - Prince
    
    Rubbish.
    
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    August 23, 2018 12:03pm
Jack5

More crime in Melbourne. Woman punched in face and threatened with machete by four intruders “of African appearance”.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/woman-punched-in-face-threatened-with-machete-during-home-invasion-20180822-p4zz4r.html
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August 23, 2018 11:40am
- Longknives
  
  Stephieboy along to defend these animals in 3.2.1….
  
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  August 23, 2018 11:59am
- stephieboy
  
  jack5 Kasey Tanga 18 the teen gang leader responsible is from the Cook Islands,
  
  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/boss-cocky-of-violent-teenage-gang-refused-bail-after-home-invasion-bashings-20180627-p4zo4q.html
  
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  August 23, 2018 12:54pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Do you have a point?
    
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    August 23, 2018 1:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Yes, Jack5 was confident that the home invaders were of African origin!
      
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      August 23, 2018 1:28pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Africa, PI, Maori, they are all the same really.
        No class and big thugs
        
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        August 23, 2018 1:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tanga can’t be deported to New Zealand then ?
    
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    August 23, 2018 2:18pm
    - Jack5
      
      Cook Islanders have New Zealand passports, so I guess Tanga will be coming this way.
      
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      August 23, 2018 2:50pm
  - stiglet
    
    Read the article again. You have posted a completely unrelated link. Are you trying to obfuscate or is your comprehension really that poor.
    
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    August 23, 2018 4:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, he does not realise that Jack’s post refers to this crime
      https://theworldnews.net/au-news/woman-punched-in-face-threatened-with-machete-during-home-invasion
      
      and is not the same event when an autistic boy and wheel-chair bound mother were attacked in April by Kasey Tanga & crew.
      https://www.9news.com.au/2018/08/21/19/18/melbourne-teen-gang-boss-kasey-tanga-pleads-guilty-home-invasion-berwick
      
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      August 23, 2018 4:42pm
Manolo

Ominous signs for Trump:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/it-will-only-get-worse-for-trump-gop-after-cohen-manfort-bombshells.html

The reckoning has arrived for President Donald Trump. The trouble for him and fellow Republicans — legal and political — will only get worse from here.
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August 23, 2018 11:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , a candid admission from your for a change.
  
  Congrats!
  
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  August 23, 2018 12:45pm
- Fletch
  
  Nope. See my 8:48am comment.
  
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  August 23, 2018 1:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    When commissioner Hans von Spakovsky at the Federal Election Commission says ‘ “This is not a violation because this was not a campaign-related offense,” just what is it people don’t understand?
    
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    August 23, 2018 1:36pm
    - Ross12
      
      Plus former FEC chairman Bradley Smith ( who helped draft the rules) said the same thing.
      
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      August 23, 2018 4:03pm
    - Ross12
      
      This is worth a read All_on_Red ( opinion piece by former Clinton pollster)
      http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/402959-cohens-plea-deal-is-prosecutors-attempt-to-set-up-trump
      
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      August 23, 2018 5:33pm
    - cha
      
      “This is not a violation because this was not a campaign-related offense,” just what is it people don’t understand?
      
      Looks like it might be an own goal.
      
      Donald Trump (and only Donald Trump) could legally donate an unlimited amount of money to his campaign, because he was the candidate. Therefore, he would have been in the clear if he had made an in-kind donation to his campaign by paying Daniels directly with his own money. He could also have used money raised by his campaign, including his own contributions, to pay Daniels. (Trump’s campaign took in a total of $333 million, with $66 million of that coming from Trump himself.)
      
      In either case, Trump’s campaign would be required to disclose the expenditure. But according to the Federal Election Commission’s rules, campaign contributions and expenditures made after October 27, 2016 did not have to be disclosed until December 8. So if Trump could have put Daniels off just one more day, there would have been no public paper trail until a month after the election. And even then, the disclosed payment might not by itself expose the wrongdoing
      
      https://theintercept.com/2018/08/22/donald-trump-couldve-paid-off-stormy-daniels-legally-if-michael-cohen-were-a-better-lawyer/
      
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      August 23, 2018 5:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Errr, except it wasn’t a Campaign expense and the money wasn’t paid from Campaign money.
        It was paid by Cohen.
        That’s why it’s not a Campaign violation.
        
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        August 23, 2018 6:03pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Cha would be a clinton voter (Bill) the man that bit down on a womans top lip to stop her from struggling while he removed her panties and raped her ,thats not a problem for Cha,but trump paying off a couple of gold digging whores to shut them up is the crime of the century .
        
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        August 24, 2018 7:22am
stinkypete

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45271286

Jeremy Corbyn promotes tech company tax to pay journalists
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August 23, 2018 12:14pm
realityczech

I see Alex Jones has been wiped off the internet by Facebook, Google, YouTube etc. They are now calling for climate change sceptics, Trump and other conservatives to be removed. Funny thing is this lends weight to his conspiracy theories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyma-3g1CGo
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August 23, 2018 1:19pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Suckerberg is an ‘unperson’ Fuck him.
  This is possibly the beginning of changing the 1st Amendment
  
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  August 23, 2018 3:45pm
  - cha
    
    The amendment does say congress shall make no law, not private companies.
    
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    August 23, 2018 3:59pm
realityczech

Paris is a Sh*thole

Incredible. The rats feeding openly in the park is a pretty good sign things are not right.
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August 23, 2018 1:28pm
cha

Only the best people.

An internal investigation by the university concluded that Paris Dennard, a surrogate during the campaign and now a member of the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships, told a recent college graduate who worked for him that he wanted to have sex with her. He “pretended to unzip his pants in her presence, tried to get her to sit on his lap, and made masturbatory gestures,” according to a university report obtained by The Washington Post.

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Commentator-lauded-by-Trump-was-red-from-13175781.php
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August 23, 2018 1:59pm
- realityczech
  
  Why do you hate heterosexuals so much?
  
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  August 23, 2018 2:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Cha really likes reading and posting about all the sexual misdeeds people get up to.
    It’s a bit sick I think.
    
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    August 23, 2018 6:07pm
    - realityczech
      
      AoR, normal lefty behaviour. Depravity and leftism are interchangeable.
      
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      August 23, 2018 6:12pm
    - softail 1450
      
      AoR,,,,,cha is signalling a possible leaning towards septicboy’s fondness of livestock,and also his blind hatred of Trump.
      
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      August 24, 2018 7:27am
rangitoto

Latest tweet from the Don

“I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

Is there any world leader other than Trump who cares about injustice?
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August 23, 2018 2:40pm
Manolo

Racism at its finest:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/22/south-africa-white-owned-farm-seizures-land-reform/
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August 23, 2018 2:56pm
- JibberJabber
  
  While the UN will sit on its hands and ignore the coming genocide, Donald is paying attention,
  https://www.rt.com/usa/436626-trump-south-africa-land-seizure/
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:34pm
  - realityczech
    
    The genocide is not coming, it is well underway.
    
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    August 23, 2018 4:35pm
    - softail 1450
      
      R C, South Africa is going to bypass ending up like Zimbabwe,they are striving to go straight to a Venezuela type economy…..
      
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      August 24, 2018 7:30am
Happychappy

Not good to see a homicide inquiry launched in Northland over the death of a 2 year old boy. What sort of low life would cause a 2 year olds death.
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August 23, 2018 4:01pm
- DigNap15
  
  mm let me guess
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  Just blame colonisation. The perp was a good boy (or girl or thing) really.
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:18pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Fake news. It didn’t really happen, Bradford’s anti-smacking act fixed that sort of thing.
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:50pm
- GoVege
  
  Probably a young dude glued to a rugby or PlayStation game who some young mother had left in charge of her toddler for a few hours.
  When are they going to make it illegal to leave pre-schoolers with young fellas?
  Especially non-biological father substitutes.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:57pm
Ross12

So $67 million for a cycleway !! How many cyclists will that cater for?
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August 23, 2018 4:07pm
- alex Masterley
  
  And no completion date either.
  The paper suggested 14ooo users in a weekend. given that the consent for the skypath will be opening hours between 6 am and 10 pm 7 days a week that is roughly 440 people an hour.
  I’m pleased I have a berth owners parking pass for westhaven as parking will become a nightmare.
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Ross12:
  
  $67 million is just the beginning. Here’s the government announcement:
  
  Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Acting Associate Transport Minister James Shaw have announced the Government intends to fully fund SkyPath, the walking and cycling link across Auckland Harbour Bridge, as part of a $390 million investment in walking and cycling projects nationwide over the next three years.
  
  How many soup kitchens will need to close so that the government can find the $390 million? Or will they just increase taxes, impose new levies or introduce surcharges (or a combination of these options)?
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:31pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Apparently Skypath will be free to use, according to the Horrid.
    Personaly I would prefer the funding to go to something useful like a charter school or two rather being spent than middle-class and middle aged people in lycra.
    
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    August 23, 2018 4:52pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Can’t wait for the shit to fly when the first walker gets flattened by a high-speed cyclist going down that steep slope.
      What a disgraceful waste of money.
      
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      August 23, 2018 4:55pm
    - itstricky
      
      I would prefer the funding to go to something useful
      
      Too late to complain now. You should have filed back when Johnny was in charge:
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11614144
      
      You know, when he was busy making cycle-ways, as well.
      
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      August 23, 2018 5:58pm
- rangitoto
  
  Crazy. How much life does the bridge have left.
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,
more money needed to prop up useless courses at Polytechs.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/364768/unitec-and-whitireia-need-massive-government-bailouts
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August 23, 2018 4:27pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Ah, I now understand how all the bills are going to be paid.
  Indiana’s one billion trees are all money trees.
  
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  August 23, 2018 4:52pm
- DigNap15
  
  If the Polytechs had good names people might want to send their children there
  Eg Toi Ohomai here in the BOP.
  Its the Maori word for Technology. (!)
  Did they have technology?
  What will an employer think when he sees a certificate from there.
  It sounds like a kindergarten.
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:09pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha Maori word for ‘Technology’…
    What was ‘Technology’ for Maori before Europeans arrived?
    A sharpened rock to bash out human brains to eat??
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:13pm
JibberJabber

Collateral Damage,

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/msnbc-guest-dismisses-mollie-tibbits-as-some-girl-in-iowa-who-fox-news-is-talking-about-following-news-of-her-murder-video/
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August 23, 2018 4:30pm
Nostradamus

Nanaia Mahuta has reappointed Waitangi Tribunal members

Sir Sidney (Hirini) Moko Mead, Professor Rawinia Higgins and Dr Grant Phillipson have all been reappointed along with Chief Judge Isaac (Ngāi Tūhoe, Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Kahungunu) who has been reappointed for a further five-year term as the Chairperson..
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“These appointments ensure that the Waitangi Tribunal can continue its crucial role in the Māori world,“ said Nanaia Mahuta.

I didn’t realise that the Waitangi Tribunal operates in “the Maori world” with funding from the non-Maori world.
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August 23, 2018 4:46pm
- itstricky
  
  funding from the non-Maori world
  
  Maori don’t pay tax? Well I never!
  
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  August 23, 2018 5:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Itstricky, you are aware that the two richest tribes are registered charities and don’t pay company tax?
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:14pm
- Longknives
  
  “I didn’t realise that the Waitangi Tribunal operates in “the Maori world” with funding from the non-Maori world.”
  
  Where on Earth have you been the past 40 years?
  Just shut your mouth and keep coughing up the $$$ Whitey..
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:28pm
Nostradamus

Equal Pay Awards Judging Panel Announced

The award categories are:

Innovation Award: this award recognises organisations who have taken an experimental approach to closing their gender pay gap.

Leadership Award: this award celebrates companies who understand the benefits of workplace gender equality and are leading the way for others to follow.

Progressive Award: this award recognises organisations who have demonstrated commitment to Equal Pay and continue to make sustained advances and improvements to address the issue.

On the Journey Award: the purpose of this award is unclear – something about taking “[t]he first step towards achieving equal pay”.

Community Award: this award will recognise an organisation in the profit-for-purpose or not-for-profit sectors.

Champion Award: this award an outstanding individual driving equal pay in an organisation.

So many awards that everyone who enters is guaranteed to get a lolly. And if you need any further encouragement:

Kat Doughty is encouraging any companies who are on the fence about entering the 2018 Awards to ‘feel the fear and do it anyway’.

Let’s do this!
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August 23, 2018 4:59pm
- nasska
  
  Here’s a prize for you & a prize for you & we’ll invent a category for you! Participation is the game & everyone’s a winner.
  
  The Special Olympics for NZ employers. What a shower of shit!
  
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  August 23, 2018 5:25pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    The thing that irks me is that we’re probably paying for the catering bill! You can’t have an awards ceremony without food and wine…
    
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    August 23, 2018 5:27pm
    - nasska
      
      So long as they provide sippy cups & puree the sandwiches then serve them wiped on the windows all should be well!
      
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      August 23, 2018 5:40pm
cha

MGTOW, and solving their incel problem.

Matthew Brubaker, 31, Terry Wallace, 41, and Marc Measnikoff, 34, are accused of having sexual relations with at least 9 female horses, a cow, a goat, and several dogs. Police say this happened on their property on Mouse Lane.

A teenage boy, also living on the property, was reportedly forced to assist the men with restraining the animals while they engaged in their acts.

The Clearfield County SPCA was at the property to care for the animals.

Charges are pending against all three men for felony counts of endangering the welfare of a child, and corruption of a minor. They are also facing misdemeanors including 1,460 counts of sexual intercourse with an animal, and 1,460 counts of cruelty to animals.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/three-men-charged-with-having-sex-with-12-animals/1385319376
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August 23, 2018 5:32pm
- nasska
  
  And we worry about stephieboy fondling his goats! 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2018 5:42pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I don’t think Stephieboy could be charged with “1,460 counts of sexual intercourse with an animal”. For one thing, there aren’t that many goats in NZ!
    
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    August 23, 2018 6:03pm
    - nasska
      
      You may be surprised Nostra. There are over 66,000 dairy goats let alone a thriving goat fibre industry involving another 9000 odd units. Then there’s a huge feral population coupled with petting zoos & houses of ill repute catering for stephieboy’s lot.
      
      In NZ the true connoisseur of chevon is spoiled for choice!
      
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      August 23, 2018 6:20pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I wonder if Stephie has ever had to pay hush money to Goat of the Month
        
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        August 23, 2018 6:30pm
      - stigie
        
        Oh fuck it, it’s their property, their animals, let the buggers go for it but keep the boy out of it.
        Im not offended and im sure Johnboy won’t be if they’re getting satisfaction !~
        
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        August 23, 2018 7:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/general_debate_23_august_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2289666
  
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  August 23, 2018 6:11pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Another (!) article from Cha about sexual misdeeds.
  This prurient interest of yours is a bit of a worry mate.
  
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  August 23, 2018 6:15pm
- GoVege
  
  My Encyclopedia Britannica says that 50% of males living on farms have had sex with farm animals.
  
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  August 23, 2018 6:26pm
  - realityczech
    
    “My Encyclopedia Britannica”
    Your feminist hate manual more like it.
    
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    August 23, 2018 6:29pm
    - GoVege
      
      I only hate chauvinist oinks RC. 🙂
      
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      August 23, 2018 6:43pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”50% of males living on farms have had sex with farm animals”…..
    
    The life of a stud ram is oft a happy one! 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2018 6:31pm
    - realityczech
      
      My Farmers’ Almanac says 100% of vegetarians are fucked in the head.
      
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      August 23, 2018 6:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nah, vegetarianism (and its cuzzy vegequarianisn) will save the planet. 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2018 6:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are fibbing Go Vege…
    There are no reliable studies that have quantified the prevalence of bestiality amongst farm workers.
    
    How do I know this?
    I read The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2017/jun/21/bestiality-animal-sex-laws-zoosexual-community
    
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    August 23, 2018 6:51pm
    - GoVege
      
      My Encyclopedia Britannica set is very old, Maggy.
      But it seems like inter-species sexual relations are very common.
      (I loathe that expression “bestiality”, unless the beast referred to is the human.)
      I don’t see that it is problem unless the non-human partner is a consenting adult and is not harmed.
      
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      August 23, 2018 7:15pm
      - nasska
        
        “Are you a man or a sheep?”
        
        “I’m a man!”
        
        “In that case sir, I’m arresting you for bestiality.”
        
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        August 23, 2018 7:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My Encyclopedia Britannica set is very old,
        
        So are my sets….
        You are still fibbing.
        
        No, inter-species sex amongst animals is not common at all.
        
        but plants…. especially NZ species….
        X-rated stuff…
        I wouldn’t want to spoil your dinner…
        but I could tell you tales of Celmisia x Olearia
        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/0028825X.1988.10410122
        and what these chaps got up to with one of our rarest Alpine plants and a wicked weedy immigrant will leave you breathless;
        https://academic.oup.com/botlinnean/article/157/3/533/2418209
        
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        August 23, 2018 7:41pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maggy: Found it! Page 303 vol 20 of 1971 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica:
        “In some parts of the United States it was estimated by A C Kinsey that between 40 and 50% of boys brought up on farms have some sexual relation with an animal, vaginal intercourse being commoner than anal.”
        I am NOT a fibber!
        
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        August 23, 2018 8:44pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”vaginal intercourse being commoner than anal”…..
        
        An exit poll undertaken at the side door of St Patricks junior choir practise rooms suggests otherwise.
        
        The lot of a boy born in the USA Bible Belt is not a happy one. :).
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @GoVege
        
        Good work.
        I never doubted you (for more than a few minutes)
        
        Kinsey’s “research” was just based on the hearsay of Farm-bred males (what they claimed).
        
        https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/animal-lovers-zoophiles-make-scientists-rethink-human-sexuality/
        
        Kinsey was a lousy researcher.. and probably a terrible fabulist.
        
        Still, it does make you look sideways at anyone brought up on a farm.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:07pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        it does make you look sideways at anyone brought up on a farm
        
        Nasska’s always seemed like a nice well-balanced guy! 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:08pm
      - nasska
        
        Ouch! 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Nasska’s always seemed like a nice well-balanced guy?
        
        At my age & state of desperation , all you old blokes still on your pins are beginning to seem nice & well-balanced.
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:15pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska’s always seemed like a nice well-balanced guy!
        
        And Reddy was always complimentary of Nasska back in the day..?
        
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        August 23, 2018 9:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        GoVege, you might see the appalling cruelty of inter-species sex in the cases of orangutans being used as prostitutes for humans in Indonesian Borneo:
        
        https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/shocking-story-sex-slave-orangutan-and-her-rescue/
        
        AND:
        
        http://www.care2.com/news/member/357545291/3042982
        
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        August 23, 2018 11:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        That is really horrible, Jack, for all species forced into prostitution.
        I do believe that there are some lonely dudes who should be left alone with their other species partner.
        Yonks ago a French farmer was had up for his relationship with his pig.
        He claimed no human woman would look at him, so he turned to his pig.
        If he killed her, nobody minded.
        But if he made love to her, he was had up in court.
        
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        August 23, 2018 11:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Why should bestiality be condoned in this age of human promiscuity and legalised prostitution?
        
        Farm boys have cars and can get to town.
        
        Has it ever been easier for New Zealand men to have consensual sex with females than at present?
        
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        August 24, 2018 12:43am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Mouse Lane! Besides that, why is the sex of the goat and dogs not mentioned? I hope they were not male dogs. That would be disgusting. (But then I never fancied shagging Bitches either) . I own a horse. How the fuck do you actually shag a horse?. Besides, male horses are well hung so to speak. Would the horses even have noticed? As for the cow, the neighbour owns cows. At that end there is a constant flow of cow shit, how the hell woud you know when it’s safe to do the deed….
  Fuck the mind boggles at the thought of all this…
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:05pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”How the fuck do you actually shag a horse?”…..
    
    I’ve heard that a stepladder & a well developed ego helps. 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:17pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      I’ve heard
      
      How did this topic come up for discussion at the pub, I wonder? Mind you, somehow you managed to find out about Mikenmild and his experience with chopped liver, dwarf and live geese, so you have your ways!
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:25pm
    - softail 1450
      
      nasska,, very,very carefully I’d guess.
      
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      August 24, 2018 7:09am
lifesgood

Where in the hell is the govt getting the $350m for a cycleway over the harbour bridge? and why FFS!!!?
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August 23, 2018 7:26pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Where in the hell is the govt getting the $350m”…..
  
  The money tree.
  
  …..”and why FFS”…..
  
  Feelz.
  
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  August 23, 2018 7:37pm
- All_on_Red
  
  From you! And because of the feelz
  Can’t wait for Marquess to justify the cost.
  
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  August 23, 2018 7:40pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

A really good article on gender differences in career choices from ever-excellent quillette:
https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/why-women-dont-code/
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August 23, 2018 7:41pm
Viking2

This weeks most successful beneficiary.

A 70-year-old retired hospital worker faces a $347,408 bill after 20 years of benefit fraud.

The Christchurch District Court was told the woman was struggling to arrange any reparation payments because the police have an order freezing her assets so they can seize them.

Pauline Urana Lowen pleaded guilty to five charges – two of them are representative charges covering dozens of individual offences – in court on Thursday.

Judge David Saunders remanded her on bail for sentencing on December 19, and asked for a pre-sentence report which will consider her suitability for home detention.

Judge Saunders said he would grant bail pending sentencing.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/106523871/woman-faces-347k-bill-after-20-years-of-benefit-fraud

Commissioner of Police had sought a restraining order in civil forfeiture proceedings to freeze all of her assets.

He asked for the sentencing to be delayed until December so that forfeiture action could be decided. He said she should be allowed to dispose of the property so that she could offer a substantial reparation payment at the sentencing.

Questioned by the judge, Maze said “domestic disharmony” had severely impaired her decision making.

Take everything and give it to the taxpayer who has been robbed.
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August 23, 2018 7:48pm
- Longknives
  
  I detest Benefit Fraud.
  Benefits should be for those who deserve them (And there are plenty of folk genuinely in need)
  But tell me this- Why should she suffer consequence when Meteria suffered none??
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:05pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Longknives:
    
    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Let’s put Me-too in jail right now as she’s admitted her benefit fraud activities!
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:38pm
  - GoVege
    
    I doubt if Metiria ripped off as much as 347 g’s.
    But give the ladies their due.
    At least they didn’t spit out 14 kids to various gang members to a life of crime and generational benny dependency.
    How much do you think it costs to provide state housing or $1,000 a week motel accommodation for each of a dozen kids of some beneficiaries?
    
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    August 23, 2018 8:52pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      GoVege:
      
      I doubt if Metiria ripped off as much as 347 g’s.
      
      She admitted to benefit fraud. Don’t worry – she clearly enjoys a big meal and she’ll be well fed in prison!
      
      How much do you think it costs to provide state housing or $1,000 a week motel accommodation for each of a dozen kids of some beneficiaries?
      
      Do you have a solution to this problem? Providing a state house for them to trash, or a motel room for them to trash, both involves significant taxpayer cost.
      
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      August 23, 2018 9:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yes I do have a problem with taxpayers paying $1000 a week for a motel room.
        They should move somewhere cheaper than Auckland.
        The whole situation is a mess.
        Males get to impregnate females and fail to support their own offspring.
        The mother’s carry on having kids to a succession of guys, expecting the state to provide for their stupidity.
        They don’t bother to educate their kids so they have a hope of independence.
        Some homeless guy of about 60 was on the t.v. recently.
        A dad of 8.
        Why don’t they put their father up?
        Perhaps they are all homeless too?
        He has had 40 years to try and buy a home for his huge family.
        I started saving for a home before I even had kids.
        And I had no qualifications and worked for minimum wage and received no help.
        
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        August 23, 2018 10:36pm
      - GoVege
        
        As for solutions…..
        1) only pay the benny for the first child.
        2) make parents legally responsible for the upkeep of their children until the age of 30, as in Italy. (So they can’t turf their kids out.)
        3) only pay out the benny if the father is named.
        4) DNA test deadbeat dads and jail them if they won’t support their kids.
        5) deduct savings for a modest home in a small town in the provinces from their benny money and give them the busfare to move there.
        
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        August 23, 2018 10:55pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I detest Benefit Fraud.
    
    I detest people who weasel out of paying their taxes. Our feelz and $4 will get us a cup of coffee.
    
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    August 23, 2018 9:21pm
- DigNap15
  
  What about sacking some people at WINZ who let her get away with this for 30 years!
  
  She is never going to be able to pay it back, even if she wanted to
  
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  August 23, 2018 8:05pm
stigie

“Take everything and give it to the taxpayer who has been robbed.”

Im sure you could say that about this coalition of fucking losers..?
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August 23, 2018 7:56pm
Nostradamus

Yesterday we read David Garrett’s guest post: Gangs are changing alright – for the worst.

From the NZ Herald today:

About 150 people were allegedly involved in a fight at a South Auckland high school this afternoon with sickening footage of the violent brawl circulating on social media. The fight, at Rosehill College in Papakura, broke out about 2pm. There are claims it involved both students and parents.
…
Two students from the school also reported that the parents were from rival gangs, believed to be the Mongrel Mob and Black Power.

I’d love to know what Andrew Little proposes to do about the gang problem.

Hopefully at the next justice summit talkfest they’ll find time to discuss this as well as Maori crime and colonisation.
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August 23, 2018 9:19pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Continue the awesome work done by the previous government? That should be a doddle, I expect Little’s as capable of doing nothing as anyone in the National Party.
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:23pm
- MrTips
  
  Hey, at least they didn’t eat the losers.
  Seriously, this is out of hand and the time for hard action is now. Desert island incarceration – put the hardest buggers on the Auckland Islands
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And what the heck is Andy and his Justice Fest mates going to do with chaps like this?
  
  Will we still be keeping Preventive Detention?
  
  WARNING: THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12112356
  
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  August 23, 2018 9:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    The rapist’s evil is paralleled by Little’s fanaticism to promote the welfare of prisoners above the safety of the public.
    
    Little hopes to cause a lot of grief for innocent citizens, but the reaction to his insane legal policies could wipe out Labour. It would at least put National into power without the need for a coalition partner.
    
    Peters and NZ First have so far saved “three strikes”, but can they withstand the continued crime crusade by Little?
    
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    August 23, 2018 10:46pm
  - simpleton1
    
    “Taylor has 33 previous convictions , including a conviction in 2016 for indecent
    assault, and eight convictions for burglary between 2002 and 2016.
    
    He was given a first strike warning in 2016 after the indecent assault”.
    
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    August 24, 2018 7:48am
Jack5

Neanderthals didn’t just cross-breed with ancient humans. They had children with that other ancient species, the Denisovians:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-08-23/scientists-discover-bones-of-first-child-of-different-species/10155434
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