General Debate 21 August 2018

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peterwn

Anyone else having trouble meeting identification requirements that the Government has imposed on banks’ sharebrokers, lawyers, accountants etc. Many people have drivers licence or passport so often no trouble there. However ‘proof of address’ is tricky nowadays as most utility bills, tax stuff etc is sent electronically especially if people take a responsible attitude and want to save trees. So it can be rather tricky to produce ‘proof of address’ and furthermore different outfits interpret the requirement differently. Seems printing off an electronic invoice as proof is not acceptable. Also Kiwibank will not accept its own bank statement as proof of address. Seems that they are too scared stiff of upsetting the authorities. Seems drastic measures are needed such as speeding past a speed camera so you can produce the infringement notice as proof of address.
About time that Jacinda asked officials for a conversation about this.
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August 21, 2018 8:02am
- Inandout
  
  A smaller bank will demand proof and that can be a statement online, but who in their right mind shows a competing bank all their finances?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:05am
- Flyer
  
  We had to go into a bank branch to get a signed confirmation of our account and address to send to the broker. The bank staff are obviously used to the need for it.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:15am
- KiWombat
  
  This is a particular problem in rural areas where there is no delivery. NZ post does give you a free PO box at the nearest location, but then when you have papers delivered to a PO box which is often not accepted as proof of address, you strike this problem.
  
  This problem is compounded when companies (or government departments) insist on mailing to a physical address, and then mail can be returned to them marked ‘Not A Delivery Address’
  
  Vicious cycle unfortunately !
  
  On a couple of occasions I have resorted to giving map co-ordinates rather than a physical address. This stuffs up the system so bad that they generally accept a PO box address rather than have to change their system to accept map co-ordinates !
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:40am
- alex Masterley
  
  Our clients are having issues with these requirements.
  The AML requirements do not seem to acknowledge the realities of life in today world where things are done on digital platforms.
  DIA seem to be intent on forcing round pegs into square holes.
  It will be fun watching land agents and high value dealers implement the AML rules next year. When i talk to land agents about AML they all start moaning on mass.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:42am
- jonno1
  
  New bank couldn’t accept short-form version of power bill as it didn’t show an address, but were OK with click-through to full version, which I downloaded and emailed on the spot. Bigger problem was ‘source of wealth’ for goodness sake. I was transferring a term deposit from one bank to another, partial proceeds of a house sale. They required all documents to be certified by a JP (including S&P agreement). The sale was 18 months ago – I wonder how often I can re-use it! All related to money-laundering apparently.
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  August 21, 2018 9:00am
- Piniwi
  
  But peterwn it is even a bigger challenge to establish your credentials with any Government department as they are now behind the Real Me wall. Then after getting along to a specific location with all your proof they still have that ridiculous one time password texting system. It is even a bigger nightmare for any Kiwi’s living off shore since their only means of contacting them is by telephone. We all know how efficiently calls to such departments go as so much time is chewed up waiting and being audibly assaulted with crap music.
  However security is becoming a very serious issue in the electronic age as we see that attempted security breeches are counted by the quantity per second. It will not really improve untill they actually catch up with the times and start employing the modern means of ID instead of using yesterdays technology. Even my new camera has facial recognition built in so it can be told who to look for in a group and find/snap them instantly in focus where ever they move in that group.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    I thought that ‘Real Me’ was supposed to overcome these sorts of problems but it appears to be almost useless.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:48am
- RF
  
  Don’t forget to use the services of. JP to certify true copies of original documents.
  
  I have done this and worked out well.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:14am
- cmm
  
  I think you will find that within a year or so, your Labour Party membership card will be enough.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    It will be the only acceptable form of identification I am picking.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:06am
- marcw
  
  Yes, getting confirmation of identity to close a qualifying Kiwisaver account is a bloody time wasting exercise in tail-chasing. All documents required need JP witnessing, and like you said, proof of residence address is the hardest to achieve to their satisfaction. After my second attempt, they agreed to accept a pdf printout directly from the on-line bank account that the funds were to be paid into. Apparently with the correct headers and footers in the printout they were satisfied the residential address on it was acceptable. My case was admittedly a bit compromised as I wasn’t mobile at the time, so getting an actual printout from the bank was harder than usual.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:37am
- kowtow
  
  ‘ especially if people take a responsible attitude and want to save trees. ‘
  
  Nonsense , I doubt any paper is produced from Amazonian rainforest trees these days. And the banks are simply saving themselves money by forcing you the punter to go electronic , and they are hiding behind care for the environment.
  
  These new security measures are nothing to do with Jax and co . They are coming from the New Masters of the Universe and the Gnats will have been donkey deep in acceding to international demands.
  
  ” The Common Reporting Standard (CRS) is an information standard for the automatic exchange of tax and financial information on a global level, which the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) developed in 2014. Its purpose is to combat tax evasion. The idea was based on the USA Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) implementation agreements and its legal basis is the Convention on Mutual Administrative Assistance in Tax Matters. 97 countries had signed an agreement to implement it, with more countries intending to sign later. First reporting was planned for September 2017, with many of the rest planning to report by 2018.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Reporting_Standard
  
  Will it prevent tax evasion, drug and money laundering ? Will it fuck. But it will really fuck ordinary folk about while surrendering privacy and sovereignty . Thanks for nothing National.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:38am
  - Komata
    
    FWIW: Several years ago a relative died, effectively destitute and without a will. He did however have a bank account (the bank will remain anonymous) with only a very small amount in it. Somehow we wound up looking after the final dissolution of what little he owned; his ‘Estate’ if you will. The time came to close the account. Oh dear! The deceased had lived for many years in another city and the difficulties we encountered as we went around and around in small circles to close this single account and obtain the minute sum within it, had to be experienced to be believed. The matter went on and on and was only finally solved (after six months), when the bank’s highly exasperated local manager used his discretion and closed it for us with immediate effect, and with a comment to the effect that he would take responsibility for whatever eventuated. Nothing happened afterwards as far as we know, but after six months we were just a tad pleased that it was all over. Beuracracy isn’t a Government-only preserve; the banks are also
    well practiced in its application…
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:53am
    - peterwn
      
      Someone when dealing with a deceased estate was asked the deceased’s address and replied ‘plot 1234, xxx street’. ‘That is the town cemetery came the reply’. ‘I told you he had died’.
      And in another one – occupation – ‘daisy pusher’.
      
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      August 21, 2018 12:09pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Isn’t it wonderful to live in a free country, mandatory identification everywhere. Now in the states there will be airport style security for I believe it was LA trains…
  
  Its voluntary like id disclosures to banks, you just cant use a bank without disclosing ID and you cant get a cell phone plan and internet and get paid for work and stuff without a bank account. Nor will you be able to go through security to board the train if you don’t ‘volunteer’….
  
  Also income tax is the US is ‘voluntary’ too… Whatever that means….
  
  https://www.npr.org/2018/08/15/638848870/los-angeles-is-deploying-body-scanners-to-screen-metro-riders
  
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  August 21, 2018 12:57pm
- simpleton1
  
  It has become a major issue, and I can only see the problem escalating.
  
  A lawyer can not draw up a “power of attorney” for an elderly person, with out approved photo ID. The lawyer had done work for the client for decades.
  The drivers licence had long expired, as also the passport.
  
  The person is bedridden, and very difficult to even put in a vehicle.
  The approved photo people will not come out to take the approved photos.
  
  Next problem was to get a birth certificate to go with the photos to obtain an R18 card ID. That is for a 90 year old.
  However to apply for a birth certificate, you are supposed to have verification etc.
  
  I told the lawyer, for her to file for it, and any other ratification. She was doubtful it would work, but it slipped through, so now birth certificate received.
  
  Lesson learned, never let any ID photo system expire, or get it changed over to the R18 card.
  
  The smile I have is that the rest home now wants a direct debit system, but I told them then, it was impossible, as the money must stay in the bank, as no authority can gain access. 🙂
  OK , I do right them a cheque, but they sound very peeved off, and hope I will be reimbursed later, or social welfare people will be getting alot of visits from me!
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:30pm
secondcumming

I’ve always found that the beauty of pretending you actually care about feminism is that it helps get you laid.
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August 21, 2018 8:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  This is an occasion that an on-line bank statement has proved to be acceptable irrespective of matching the photo on the website or not.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:11am
- Chris R
  
  Secondcumming: Definitely!!! I figured this out back in the 1980s and practised it so well I was known as a “SNAG!” (A sensitive new-age guy.) I cringe at the thought of some of the disingenuous nonsense I must have burbled to young women simply to enhance my chances of sating my lust. Oh the good days!
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:13am
- Than
  
  The danger with that strategy is that their are many flavors of feminism. If you express support for the wrong one you’re likely in for an ear-bashing.
  
  To pick one example; women working in a Hooters type establishment (or any other sort of promo work based on sex appeal), is this empowering women and to be encouraged or sexist objectification that must be stopped? Both views have supporters among self-described feminists.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:20am
  - Chris R
    
    Than: Yes you’re right and you perfectly depict how the 1980s were a much simpler time, Feminism concerned real women with real ambitions.It seems today that Feminism embraces all sorts of angry types of debatable gender and attitudes. Also, let’s be frank, who among us would wish to sate our lust with the dreadful tattooed and obese creatures who appear to populate much of the feminist estate of 2018. I am likely to be shot for this…!!
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:36am
    - secondcumming
      
      You sound far too fussy Chris. Do what I do and just switch the light off.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:45am
      - jcuk
        
        Reminded of the saying
        “You do not look at the mantle-piece while stoking the fire”
        
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        August 21, 2018 10:18am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Chris R the dangerous place to be was between two dykes if you dared to show the slightest inclination to the pretty one. Back in the day they were always paired with a pretty often innocent one and a dog butch mate. When challenged by the butch mate one could but withdraw for safety as even then striking a female was a no-no.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:18am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        even then striking a female was a no-no
        
        Damn straight it was!
        
        Usually they’d spot you at least a couple of stone and they were far nastier than any bloke.
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:53am
- cmm
  
  2ndcummer: Quantity over quality eh?
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:27am
  - secondcumming
    
    She’s a hard road finding the perfect woman boy.
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:45pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I hope you have the sense to avoid batshit bitches like this attention-seeker:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2018/08/uk-woman-who-survived-10-hours-in-adriatic-sea-accused-of-lying.html
  
  An argument with the boyfriend and she pulls a publicity stunt that cost the cruise line north of half a million bucks to find her.
  Bet he was delighted they were successful //
  
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  August 21, 2018 4:42pm
Inandout

Chester Borrows has joined a well paid panel that will look at crime in NZ for at least a year. He has already said some NZers need to be educated and he came close to calling us deplorables.
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August 21, 2018 8:02am
- Longknives
  
  Jacinda arrogantly ‘spoke for us all’ when she said yesterday that –
  ‘We all agree that Prisons have been a failure’
  Seems this Coalition of Crim Huggers has already made up it’s mind-Prisons are going to be phased out!
  
  This will obviously cost many innocent New Zealanders their lives- But no matter to Ardern, she will look just fabulous in front of her beloved United Nations…
  ‘Collateral Damage’ I think her and Andy called it?
  I detest that arrogant, vile woman.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:11am
  - Chris R
    
    Longknives: How can she say that with a straight face? The undeniable fact is that when a burglar is banged-up in gaol he/she isn’t breaking into anyone’s property. Surely that isn’t a waste particularly from the point of view of the insurance companies?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:15am
    - KevOB
      
      The Courts take the attitude too that some people need to be removed from society.
      Is Queen Taxcinda now going to rule them as well.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:27am
      - RF
        
        That loud banging noise is Arderns father who was formerly a senior police officer smashing his head hard on his desk top.
        
        She is going against everything he believes in and is a major disappointment.
        
        At the end of the day she is PM only because of a doddery old fool who believes the country owes him a living.
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:30am
      - Piniwi
        
        Sure will do KevOB as we see by the freeze on MP’s wages the SHE does not think is fair as it widens the gap. It requires more urgent legislation even to get the freeze in place but that just to be the norm. We hasten to wonder just how truly silly this silly little girl be? Like their car-park puddle talent pool depth her reasoning and excuses are even shallower.
        Disregarding what one thinks of MP’s pay levels are there is a system in place for annual review with it being based on public service increases they have already received. Thus retrospective. If in fact there is any argument for it only being reviewed every 3 years we are yet to hear it as her reasoning offered is as meaningful as her statement she does not lie. Interfering in the process is in the same bracket as hindering free speech unless approved by the COL. If this fails to see some hard questions OQT we will be very surprised as she has set herself above all including the established process. As with Captains calls so far.
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:37am
      - sooty
        
        The Bag Lady has spoken.
        
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        August 21, 2018 12:54pm
  - peterwn
    
    ‘We all agree that Charter Schools have been a success’ but we are still abolishing them.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:17am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Key to understanding the Left on justice policy is that – deep down – they don’t believe any type of punishment is ever justified.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:19am
    - ldypen
      
      Unless you go against them…then watch the punishments commence.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:28am
      - AgainstTheFlow
        
        Well, you’d be a traitor and a wrecker if you oppose them.
        It’s the Gulag for you…
        
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        August 21, 2018 8:33am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      I suspect that the key to understanding the Left on justice policy is that they realise that socialism is based on theft and therefore they are very few steps away from becoming customers of the justice system.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:32am
      - AgainstTheFlow
        
        That realisation would require far too much self-awareness and a complete collapse of their self-belief.
        
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        August 21, 2018 8:35am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Except for their opponents, then no excess of punishment is too much.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:30am
  - Viking2
    
    Is that the Royal WE??
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:36am
  - Komata
    
    Lk: One does wonder if the SLG’s attutude conerning the ‘desirability’ of prisons would alter if she was on the receiving end of such things as might constiute ‘criminal activities’ in NZ? I suspect that they just might…
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:04pm
    - Longknives
      
      As DG and I were musing only recently- Her and Andy need to take a stroll through Paremoremo and meet some of the characters behind the fences there!
      
      I suspect that would jolt them into reality rather quickly…
      
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      August 21, 2018 12:30pm
- RF
  
  Chester appears to be suffering from the same disease that flip flop O’Connor suffers from… loss of memory from when he was a cop and had common sense.
  
  Talking about O’Connor have not heard a squeak from him after his recent displays of arm waving and theratrics in the house.
  
  Even Poto him to pull his head in.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:20am
- DigNap15
  
  Its the low life ferals that need to be educated and taught some respect and work ethic!
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:24am
- softail 1450
  
  Inandout,,, 40 years that POS Burrows has been slopping at the public trough and the morons in the C O L expect the public to warm to him ,,,fuck off…
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:39am
Viking2

Teachers and their unions need to stop whingeing about their jobs. Seriously, nowhere else on the planet does a profession have 12-14 holiday weeks a year. If you have to do some work in those holidays – woolly-boolly – you still have huge choices about how you go about that while in Fiji or Bali.

Stop complaining about the greatest job in the world: working with young people for the good of their future. Have teachers even considered that the children might be just a little upset that they are regarded as a burden and a chore, and that the normal things that go with teaching require a little extra work? How on earth does all this moaning and complaining inspire the next generation into this amazing career? It doesn’t. The unions are making it embarrassing to want to be a teacher.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/106404628/striking-teachers-have-lost-the-war-even-if-they-win-a-small-pay-battle

Schools and principals need far more employment choice to meet their local needs. I was stunned when former PPTA president Angela Roberts stated to the world that “of course South Auckland Middle School is successful, it is bulk-funded” when the unions have made it game priority No 1 to stop schools from having this opportunity. Give teachers the ability to negotiate their own pay and conditions – they are big boys and girls – and let principals and boards make some genuine resourcing decisions.

The current approach risks setting education back 20 years at a time when our comparative achievements on the international stage are in steep decline. Some rapid and altruistic reconsideration of many of these things is required.
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August 21, 2018 8:06am
- oldgolfer
  
  I think public sympathy for teachers is running out fast – and they’ll get none from me.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:13am
  - KevOB
    
    Stuff echoes that today!
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:28am
  - RF
    
    I hear the Police are expecting a huge pay increase in the near future.
    
    It’s going to get very interesting.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:35am
    - Piniwi
      
      But RF we have to laugh at the PR job the police are trying to run as they tell the regions ow many new police will be added to their region. The if we dare to read past the headline we find it will be over a 5 year period. The local Media parties echo chambers are pushing how many totally without challenge. Nelson will get 55 they say? That is an average of 11 each year over 5 years which will barely cover the attrition rate. Best nobody hold their breath while waiting to see a bobby on the beat near them soon.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:47am
      - sooty
        
        What they want more polcemen and a payrise!
        It’s one or the other. Sunshine!
        
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        August 21, 2018 12:57pm
    - Paulus
      
      Well the Police will need a huge increase to attract 1,600 new officers,
      and stop 1,500 leaving.
      It has been decided where they will go but where are they coming from.
      Don’t know who would like to be a Police person today in New Zealand. Many recruited in recent years have left after 3/4 years fed up being racially handcuffed in every thing they do.
      
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      August 21, 2018 1:44pm
- lifesgood
  
  Well said! I couldn’t agree more. Let’s not forget that teachers of senior high school classes are effectively on leave from early November when their students go on study leave so they have virtually three months right there apart from the other holidays. Who else gets that? It has long been my belief that no one gets accepted to train as a teacher until they have worked in the real world. I’m pretty sure their martyrdom act would soon change when the reality of other people’s lives hits home. Unfortunately they live in an echoing bubble.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:15am
- Maxx
  
  Yep, everyone’s jobs are difficult. Everyone thinks they’re underpaid. Everyone thinks they’re under-resourced. The difference being is that I can work hard and get a promotion, or if that is failing to come, another in the market will be in demand of my skills and pay for it. Unless I’m unwilling to put the effort in, in which case I can either accept what I get or become a teacher and get paid more based on how long I’ve been a teacher for!
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:21am
  - holysheet
    
    Those that can, do. Those that cannot, teach.
    It’s that simple.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:39am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not all teach well, and with P babies coming through the system, teachers need more training, the bright kids will self teach, the problem children will demand all of the attention and the average pupil will not reach their potential, so it has always been but the percentage of children with issues are on the up.
      Is mainstreaming really okay for everyone, teachers included?
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:56pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Nothing looks easier than other people’s jobs.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:21am
  - Viking2
    
    Even yours eh?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:38am
- cmm
  
  Teachers’ biggest problem is that they insist on not having any performance metrics.
  
  That means anyone that is any good, and likely deserves a raise, is being held back by the dead wood.
  
  No industry/workplace can survive that.
  
  The end result is that anyone with gumption and competence eventually leaves (or has the sense to never get into teaching in the first place).
  
  All that is left is the log-jam of dead wood bleating about 9-3 for 35 weeks a year being a hard job.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:52am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Measuring learning is essential, whether linked to pay or not. You need to know which teaching methods are working and which are not, without just relying on feelings and anecdotes.
    
    But I would say the biggest problem for teacher pay is the funding method. Unlike just about every other good or service, there are few ways for parents to buy extra or better education for their children. If they could, most of that spending would end up in the pockets of teachers.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:34am
    - cmm
      
      ” there are few ways for parents to buy extra or better education for their children”
      
      As a homeschooler (kids never went to school), I can tell you there are heaps of ways.
      
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      August 21, 2018 10:55am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Teachers have no problems, their top pay is 82k (including one extra credit), the median wage is about 48k, they work 5 hours a day, 40 weeks a year vs 8 hours a day and 48 weeks a year for a regular worker. Their hourly pay is 3x the median…
    
    If they worked a standard working year their pay would be 157K. That would put them right at the top in terms of most well remunerated professions.
    
    Even better are the perks, you can’t get fired, flexible time off (schools let teachers take their holiday leave whenever), and if you are a college teacher that is specialized then you are going to have periods/days off…
    
    So your hours worked will be less, effective pay higher…. Oh and did I mention you get paid the same regardless of how shit you are at your job!
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:27pm
- Paulus
  
  My local Estate Agent tells me that when a certain type of houses comes to the market they have a few numbers ready to call as these purchasers are looking for rental houses.
  For some years they have been Teachers (usually a couple – both Teachers of sorts)- for which I have no problem as they are looking to their pensions.
  Some own a large number however and spend their holidays doing up for renting or resale.
  Suits the Agents as Rental Managers or Selling Agents.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:00am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The unions have successfully turned, in just 30 years, what used to be a valued “profession” (teaching), into the best paid part time JOB in the country.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  When measured against national GDP, NZ Teacher salaries are ahead of than those from including:
  – Switzerland
  – Australia
  – Finland
  – Israel
  – Norway
  – Austria
  – France
  – USA
  – France
  – Sweden
  
  The data is a little old. I’m looking for more recent numbers as a single malt wager depends on it 🙂
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:27am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Also taking the top pay for a teacher (based on length of tenure so very attainable) and adding in one additional credit you get a pay of 82K which is about 80NZD a hour.
    
    If teachers worked a full standard year, 48 weeks vs 40 and 8 hours a day vs 5 then they would be paid 160K a year… Similar to an MP… Half that as a CEO of a company in NZ….
    
    Their hourly pay is between 3x and 4x the median. They get paid comparably to top tier lawyers/accountants and project managers… They get paid similarly to quantity surveyors, engineers and top tier software programmers…
    
    Yet many teachers teach what is called ‘ABCs’ and ‘Counting’, some teach harder subjects like ‘running around’ and ‘face-painting’ or ‘drama’…. I think anyone who has had any experience with children know they don’t need to be ‘taught’ to so called ‘run around’ or ‘create drama…
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:32pm
- Cunningham
  
  I think anyone would admit that teachers have a very tough job and are on the whole underpaid. But the issue I have is that the unions refuse to even consider the possibility of paying the good teachers more, that is where my sympathy runs out. We are losing the best teachers from the classroom because of this narrow minded view.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:33am
  - lilman
    
    No they don’t have a hard job.
    I think they are pathetic.
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:32pm
kevn

Salary freeze for MP’s… omg, tragedy.
Another virtue signal from the UN apprentice, that’s all it is.
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August 21, 2018 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, a saving of about $750,000 for 1 year.
  
  We all know that their salaries will just go up in a bigger jump, the following year.
  
  Did Jacinda axshurly tell us how she was going to get the Remuneration Authority to change the way such pay rises are calculated in the future.?
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364545/mps-pay-freeze-about-doing-what-s-right-pm
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:25am
- Harkman
  
  Somebody on here the said a few days ago to wait for the words “Captain’s call” and sure enough One News said it like eight times last night. Cindy is OK with the freeze considering the $500k she currently receives is $450k more than anyone else would ever pay her.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I am all for paying high performing executive, high salaries to match.
  Begs a couple of questions
  1. Which MP’s would qualify as “high performing”.
  2. How to measure that (especially after this CoL has removed all measurement and targets)?
  3. Who does the measuring?
  My solution:
  Reduce the pay of list MP’s by say 10%, give it to Constituent MP’s for constituency work, which they must PROVE.
  NO, absolutely NO, travel paid for that cannot be defended as “parliamentary business”
  Bridges travel…..OK (just)
  Cunliffe, parker and robersons travel, a couple of years ago, to promote themselves to to get the leadership of the Labour party…DEFINITELY NOT!!!
  Travel to party conferences………N O T
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:17am
  - lemuzz
    
    And no perks for life after just 3 terms for both them and their spouse. Their employers (Taxpayers) don’t get anywhere near the benefits MP’s get.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:53am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I may be inclined to leniency toward past Prime Ministers.
      A bit like presidential libraries, an admission of leadership, without partisan opinion or favour, just recognition of the job done.
      
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      August 21, 2018 2:21pm
- backster
  
  Kevn…..Justified as their jobs are being done by 150 panels of former MPs and Union cronies,
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:39am
duggledog

Yes I heard that Inandout.

Prisons are there for three reasons, and three reasons only

1: To keep the bad people out of circulation so they cannot harm anyone

2: To punish the bad people on behalf of the society they have damaged

and a distant 3: To provide rehabilitation.

Kiwis may be stupid but these days you would be hard pressed to find someone who hasn’t been robbed of a car or the contents of a house, or had someone in their wider family bashed, conned or even worse.

Ergo, we want these rock apes punished and held in detention.

Chester, the crooks are not punished and are seldom sent down for long, if at all.
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August 21, 2018 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  They’re also there to deter others, although it’s debatable how effective that is.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:13am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Death penalty!!!
    Fixes recidivism
    and
    Is the ultimate in Dawinism, survival of the smartest.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:37am
    - namron
      
      Check out the crime figures for Singapore, particularly for recidivist crime.
      It is quite evident that corporal punishment with the consequent fear of the punishment makes a significant factor in their crime results.
      
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      August 21, 2018 10:03am
- Lance
  
  The problem is they are all refusing to deal with the source of crime properly.
  I applaud more emphasis on mental health but the gangs and P addiction are the bulk issues here. These two problems are closely linked and directly associated with the rise of violent crime.
  Addicts don’t give a shit who they bash, so long as they can attain more P to fuel their addiction. The gangs are the enablers of the P distribution and violent turf wars etc ensue.
  So until these ‘reformers’ stop talking unicorns and rainbows and actual do something to outlaw the gangs and deal with P addicted drop kick parents, nothing much will change.
  But dealing with the gangs and parents makes you RACIST. So it’s back to unicorns and rainbows
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:16am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    God forbid the police actually prosecute criminals. God forbid that…
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Chester must have been a tortured soul as a cop, and this flaw must have affected his policing. Has he an answer as to why Police are leaving the service in such numbers?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:17am
  - Colville
    
    Because being a cop is a total cunt of a job and you are not allowed to beat the snot out of the crims that badly need it?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:24am
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… I am always wondering how many cops P.E.R.F? Rather than just…leave.
    Is the new entrant cops numbers keeping up with the ones who go?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:27am
    - Inandout
      
      Perfing was a good lurk once and many ex cops received compensation in the hundreds of thousands. One I know bought into rest homes, another into city apartments. I think those halcyon days are gone and have been replaced by cultural crap and Treaty bullshit. Chester is a trougher and will drag this inquiry into the next election year. Not once did I hear him mention drop kick parents being at the heart of the crime problem.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:24am
- Paulus
  
  Labour have always been soft on crime – nothing new.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    Just look at what they have in their own ranks.
    If you were tough on crime half their members would be inside.
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:04pm
Happychappy

Jacinda has worked out that another way of choking the opposition’s air is to make Captains calls and what news she didn’t have immediately chokes the negativity that the Coalition were receiving.
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August 21, 2018 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Good to make a captain’s call while Parliament is in recess, and then say they’ll legislate her calls when Parliament reconvenes in 2 weeks time.
  
  Leads you to ask is Parliament there just to rubber stamp the will of Jacinda?
  Makes her no better than Muldoon. Just as authoritarian, but with a vacant girl, air head smile.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:13am
  - KevOB
    
    Now Queen Jacinda.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:29am
  - Piniwi
    
    @hullkiwi you just trashed my day with pesky facts. Parliament is yet again in recess which you noted and sadly overlooked by me. Cheers.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:00am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Here we are bitching about teachers and their remuneration package. Simple question, what about our MPs? Has anybody done any productivity analysis there? Because given Princess is paid $471k plus perks, lurks and other sundry bits giving her a package in excess of $500k, and given she has made a few captain’s call over the past 10 months, had maternity leave and had more recess time than john or joanne average get holiday, you seriously have to question the productivity of New Zealand’s MPs And do we get value for money!
      
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      August 21, 2018 11:10am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  The Point Chev Year 5’s have great power.
  
  A couple of classes wrote to the PM about how unfair teacher pay is, when others are getting big pay rises.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Amazing that group those Pt Chev Year 5. They even can be seen drinking skinny soy milk lattes at Ponsonby Road cafes discussing how to put the woes of the world right.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:00am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      That’s their emotional age.
      I’m referring to the school kids who- to be fair – still believe in unicorns.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:57am
- Maxx
  
  Amusing anecdote is that Tony Abbot popularised the “Captains Call” in politics in 2015. She must’ve been studying what successful PM’s say – wait, what?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:25am
Shaun the Sheep

JAG cycled off to be induced two days ago, and still no announcement.
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August 21, 2018 8:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The bicycle made it home safely apparently
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:14am
  - Colville
    
    Yeah…her partner drove the car there to pick up the bike….so what was the point of the bike ride other than to get a photo op?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:26am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And how is she going to transport the newborn, in winter, across the domain to birthcare for a night or two? She may not be wanting to bike or walk a kilometer lugging bags of gear and a baby.
      
      ~~Virtue~~ Stupidity signalling.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:50am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A simple phone call and, I’m sure, that Ron Mark would have lent a helicopter for that.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:24am
    - Komata
      
      Colville: The point? To show how committed she is to the noble cause of greendom and how ‘brave’ she is for said cause. The ‘Mummies’ will love it and contribute accordingly.
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:06pm
  - VicParking
    
    The Bike had Scooter and a Skateboard. Could there be different fathers?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:36am
    - RF
      
      I heard it was the town bike and ridden by anyone.
      
      Just saying……
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:42am
- Longknives
  
  She will be tormenting the staff at Auckland Hospital.
  Counting how many male Doctors there are compared to female and shrieking her disgust etc etc
  God help any White male Doctors or Nurses who have the misfortune to encounter that dreadful creature…
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    And condemning those that didn’t come to work via walking, cycling or public transport.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:35am
  - holysheet
    
    Don’t forget all those female women.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:41am
    - hullkiwi
      
      What as opposed to transsexed women, but we can’t point that out as that would be discriminatory.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I can almost guarantee that she does not insist on a woman Somali trained doctor who washed up here as a refugee when there are difficulties
    
    That is when one reaches for the pale and stale . . .
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:09am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      What about Golriz Ghahraman
      She could do it.
      Afterall, she has claimed to have done and been an expert in, almost everything else.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        RW capitalist, now really who actually out there in the real world cares about your bleating?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtvoPyNp79o
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:33am
- Psycho Milt
  
  I didn’t realise it was so important to you. Don’t worry, no baby stays in there permanently.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:23am
  - artemisia
    
    Lithopedion.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:57am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I’ve never met JAG so have no personal animosity for her, it is her politics I detest and I’d be happy for her to go home.
    That doesn’t get in the way of me wishing the best for any person expecting a joyous event – and the birth of a wanted child is a joyous event even if it will be raised with stupid gangreen ideology.
    I hope the lack of news is because the new family are enjoying their time together and genuinely protecting their privacy, rather than anything being amiss, but I much prefer that to the grandstanding of the other delivery that is trotted out as a political ace up the sleeve.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:15am
- Souvlaki
  
  Suspect raspberry leaf tea not cut mustard afterall!?. As they used to say in America ” preserve your marital birth canal,book your C section now” ?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:28am
hullkiwi

A big virtue signal from the highly paid PM. Forgoing this year’s 3% pay rise. Nice if you can afford it.

The question is how did the higher salaries commission get 3%, when the common number being told to the public service is 2%? Is it a case of senior public servants looking after themselves and telling the staff to eat cake on the scraps?
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August 21, 2018 8:08am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I know, it’s nearly as bad as that time that highly-paid PM John Key did exactly the same thing. Fucking virtue-signalling politicans, eh?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:25am
  - kevn
    
    @PM… The same John Key who donated his entire PM salary to charity?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:28am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I know, right? That guy must have been a world champion at virtue-signalling! Mind you, I recall him boasting about intending to do it, but don’t recall any evidence of him actually doing it. That’s virtue-signalling for you, though – not necessarily any actual virtue involved.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:54am
      - Longknives
        
        How much does Jacinda give of her $500k salary to all those ‘poor wee childwen’?
        Remember she told us she only got into Politics to help the children…So surely she won’t keep the $$??
        
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        August 21, 2018 10:13am
      - MCos
        
        Surely that’s her own business?
        
        Personally I’ve never been enamoured of people announcing that they’ve donated x dollars to something when the intention appears to be to advance their status.
        Conversely I’ve seen to many religious establishments embarrass their members into giving more money than they can afford rather than be thankful for for what they receive.
        
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        August 21, 2018 10:39am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        How much does Jacinda give of her $500k salary to all those ‘poor wee childwen’?
        
        No idea, but suppose she were to replicate Key’s boastful claims about intending to give lots of money to charity – this blog would immediately be full of comments whinging about virtue-signalling and deranged blathering about fairies and horses.
        
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        August 21, 2018 10:50am
      - softail 1450
        
        psycho mutt,get back to the trailer park you jealous shite, you hate J K for one reason only,his success when compared to your failure…..
        
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        August 22, 2018 6:47am
  - Lance
    
    Yes and National tried to stop the MP’s pay rise….. but was blocked by the Green’s.
    Of course it’s all good now with the Green’s. Steaming hypocrites.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:52am
- VicParking
  
  But PM’s only got 3% when teachers and Nurses got double digit percentages. More pay for MP’s, they should on strike. But thats right they are on strike till the 4th September.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:42am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    O4 September 2020 would work for me!
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:10am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t the MPs salaries only done every three years so 3% not unreasonable.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:50pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I thought it was yearly, but it is the backdating that has always surprised me.
    
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    August 22, 2018 8:09am
Lee C

As Soper remarks, it’s easy for Ardern to call for a freeze when she got gifted a $156,000 pay rise by Winston Peters, and she gifted him a similar figure to be Deputy Dawg for a day.

More Socialism for the wealthy.
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August 21, 2018 8:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Freezing MP’s salaries is a cynical way to win the popularity contest and divert attention from all the cockups the CoL is making.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:14am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s not in Jacinda’s gift to freeze MP’s pay. She can can decline her portion but others have rights too.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:32am
    - MCos
      
      It has to be approved by parliament.
      As is endlessly pointed out National has more seats than Labour. Let’s see which way they vote.
      I’m not holding my breath that they’ll vote for a pay increase.
      
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      August 21, 2018 10:23am
- lifesgood
  
  Good grief! Is Soper actually criticising Jacinda!
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:17am
- Harkman
  
  I remember Ron Paul proposing Congressional salaries be fixed and the annual rate of inflation as a percentage be subtracted from this rate. He said prices would become stable really quickly.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:11am
AgainstTheFlow

If Peter Dutton becomes the next Aussie PM, how stupid will Labour’s grandstanding on refugees look?

And a simple and very popular first move for the Dutton will be to end NZ’s open-ended travel and work status.
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August 21, 2018 8:12am
Keeping Stock

Jacinda on Hosking this morning repeated the story of the bloke on remand for “shoplifting”.

Sorry Ms Ardern, but people don’t get remanded in custody JUST for shoplifting, so why don’t you tell us the full story of this man. Maybe his “shoplifting” was with a gun or a knife, or maybe it was a ram-raid. But we can be sure there’s more to this than the PM is letting on.
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August 21, 2018 8:12am
- fernglas
  
  It’s like her firm statement about cannabis reform; that no-one should ever be sent to prison for cannabis possession. News for her. They’re not.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  Jacinda is not immune to burglary.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:19am
  - sooty
    
    No but it’s hard when we employ half a doz mobile gaurds at her house.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:16am
- Lance
  
  And minor driving offenses……… like running people over!!!!
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:20am
  - RF
    
    Chester where are you….. ???
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:46am
- JibberJabber
  
  And, so fucking what, if this feral scumbag was remanded for thieving?
  The real issue is that the scum don`t suffer consequences for criminal offending, they are treated like victims and the real victims are kicked to the sideline like the faceless statistic Ardern and Little treat them as.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    “Treated like victims” ?
    
    Here’s an example from Radio Leftwing News, the poor petal just got out of pokey and can you believe it ,is presented in this piece of bullshit wearing his criminal regalia!
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/364459/man-arrested-at-work-and-income-office-hours-after-leaving-prison
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:00am
    - waikatogirl
      
      “I reacted negatively, I swore, I used a couple of derogatory words,” he said.
      
      “The security guards came over and they were right in my face and I felt intimidated. My natural reaction was to get them out of my way.”
      
      On his way out, Mako pushed a guard with one arm forcing the man to take a few steps backwards.
      
      Within an hour, he was arrested at the Upper Hutt office for assault.”
      —
      If he used the word Marama Davidson has “claimed back for women” the receptionist didn’t appreciate the compliment! ?
      
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      August 21, 2018 11:32am
      - stinkypete
        
        I’ve only been out for 13 gigabytes, and then to face all that again.”
        
        hmm
        
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        August 21, 2018 11:39am
- Maxx
  
  To be fair, it’s probably not for this offence that he is remanded (at a guess) but failing to make previous court appearances.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:27am
- Happychappy
  
  KS: Surely theirs somewhere that a complaint can be made about this blatant lie being used by the PM and having a apology made through the said Radio station. This has become a Labour trait when taken to task, just blame National for 9 years of neglect or bend the truth to help your situation.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:35am
- VicParking
  
  Proberly his 40th offence for Shoplifting while he was on remand for female bashing??
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:45am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t the average criminal incarcerated only after 11 guilty sentences ?
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:52pm
- Paulus
  
  Understand you need something like eleven convictions to get incarcerated.
  Look at Police 7 on TV and ask why do they have mugshots of people they are trying to find.
  From Police files.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:57pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The criminal fraternity really need to listen to Dr Jordan B. Peterson’s UTube videos of his book: “12 Rules for Life”, on taking responsibility for personal actions and setting their life in order, etc. A few of them would benefit from his help if they have a brain cell to consider his advice.
    
    Play his UTube videos constantly to prisoners!! ?
    
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    August 21, 2018 4:00pm
oldpark

Heard the Condescending Tone of the Peters selected PM Ardern on turning down a 3% wage increase. A message to others in NZ struggling to get a decent wage increase. What a struggle for Ardern who is basking in an income of circa $500,000 Thousand Dollars.
Next time the increase will probably be backdated and a 6% catch up will be in order.
Heard someone say last night with NZs economy tanking because of the out of control actitivies of the Coalition of Corruption and Chaos,where is the mention of taking a wage cut.
What we have here in NZs Government at the present time is, a bunch of out of control Sanctimonious, Supercillious, Snowflakes out of tune with the real needs of NZs.
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August 21, 2018 8:12am
- JibberJabber
  
  Heh, 2019s 6% ( if the taxpayer is lucky) pay raise will be backdated to July 1st 2018.
  Watch this space.
  Unfortunately, this weapons grade virtue signalling works on the terminally thick lefty cretins.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:40am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right JJ check out how NewShub are running interference for the silky little girl. They are running a poll asking “should Mp’s get a pay rise” when last seen it was 92% No. Even sadder is that Garner is giving her a platform to lay out her theory of how SHE wants to change the system. We must suspect that the bat shit craziness of the Gang Green is highly contagious and sitting near has infected the silly little girl. But NewShub must e really concerned about the flow of funding as they go full retard over the BABY yet again for even more distraction.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:17am
- Maxx
  
  A Labour government entered us into a recession last time ahead of the rest of the world, and will do so again. A Labour parties gonna do what a Labour party does.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:00am
  - Harkman
    
    I don’t think Winston has ever been in government without a recession. So yes one is on its way. Mind you our standard of living is already down since the election in USD.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:14am
  - Piniwi
    
    Same MO Maxx but who would of though that in such a short time they would be too broke to pay even a 3% increase to MP’s? Expect they now have realised they made a big blunder with the nurses levels of increase with that other attribute they have honed and made their own operating standard. Hindsight.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:22am
    - Maxx
      
      Ahh, but they’re not broke. It’s a Captains Call. They’re only broke when we’re broke. There’s still milk in the cash cow yet. It won’t be overmilked for another year yet.
      
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      August 21, 2018 10:29am
Maggy Wassilieff

Attack on academic freedom or stand against pseudoscience: Is Hungary right to ban gender studies?

https://www.rt.com/news/436329-hungary-gender-studies-ban-orban/
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August 21, 2018 8:13am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Is a government right to tell universities what their academics can teach and research, and what they can’t? Only a propaganda front for authoritarianism like RT could phrase that as a serious question…
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:29am
  - KevOB
    
    Gender studies has been a front for homosexuality promotion for 40 years.
    Academic?
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Employers aren’t interested in graduates from these courses.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/13/viktor-orban-moves-ban-gender-studies-courses-university-dangerous/
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:41am
    - VicParking
      
      Gender studies is a great help in being a Mechanic. You don’t want to a gay screw inserted into a straight rear end.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:50am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Employers aren’t interested in graduates from these courses.
      
      That isn’t why universities exist. You seem to be thinking of polytechnic institutes.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I’m with you on that, universities need the autonomy to teach different ideas (sadly disappearing under the ctrl left’s exclusion of everything to the right of Marx). Though govt could quite reasonably choose not to fund it due to lack of economic benefit, the students could pay for it themselves.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:57am
  - marcw
    
    But it’s OK for University VC’s to decide who can and cannot speak on campus Psycho? Living up to your name again.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:04am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      You seem to be arguing that it’s psychotic to oppose governments exercising direct operational control over universities while not opposing the university’s management exercising direct operational control over it. Did you intend to do that?
      
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      August 21, 2018 10:53am
- Inandout
  
  It is quite interesting that after Communism fell in Europe we now have a new breed of ‘satellite states’ that may prove a buffer against the Muslim onslaught. The closer these states are to Russia the tougher they have become.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:33am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, can you research whether Hungary also bans climate change science?
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:48am
  - Nostradamus
    
    You couldn’t afford Maggy’s research fee (even at her discounted hourly rate) so why bother asking?
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:28am
EAD_TWO

It’s been quite incredible watching the manufactured MSM and Politico “outrage” over Senator Annings maiden speech to the Australian Parliament. Yes, using the emotionally charged and loaded term “final solution” was a poor choice of words but it does not change the underlying message (which of course the MSM has completely obfusicated) – how does Australia solve the exponentially escalating violence and terrorism bought about by the continued importation of 3rd worlders?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/106294428/aussie-senator-fraser-anning-slammed-for-final-solution-white-australia-speech

Note the faux outrage and bombastic talk by Malcolm Turnbull:

“We are a nation that does not define its nationality, its identity, by reference to race or religion or cultural background or ethnic background,

People from every corner of the earth, from every religion – or of none – and every race can connect, be inspired by, be part of [our] values. That is Australia”

Got that – Australians (like all European peoples) are not a distinct people descended from those who settled, built and died for an incredible civilisation from the most harshest of landscapes – they are a fungible “value set”.

Why is it that supposedly (((right wing))) Politicians like Turnbull, Key, Sarkozy, Cameron et. think that the nations they rule/ed over aren’t allowed to define nationality/identity, by reference to race or religion or cultural background or ethnic background like every other non-white country in the world?

Why is it that only white countries must be turned into rootless derancinated globalist cesspits?

Do they not see the hypocrisy?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/deluge-of-opposition-to-israels-nation-state-bill-builds-with-new-court-petition/2018/08/07/054fe9b2-99bd-11e8-a8d8-9b4c13286d6b_story.html?noredirect=on
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August 21, 2018 8:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “We are a nation that does not define its nationality, its identity, by reference to race or religion or cultural background or ethnic background,…”
  
  In other words: our citizens’ ethnicity is irrelevant. The ethnicity (and by extension, race, religion or cultural background) of our nation can be modified for whatever reason is expedient.
  
  In Japan (as in Switzerland, Poland and Hungary) people know what their culture and identity is, so they know what to protect.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:45am
  - SGA
    
    In Japan (as in Switzerland, Poland and Hungary) people know what their culture and identity is, so they know what to protect.
    
    That said, about the only constant thing about “culture” is that it changes. Some bits stay, some become enshrined as “heritage” (rather an active part of everyday life), other bits fade away. I’m not sure that societies pick and choose which category things fall into all that much as time marches on. Poland now isn’t the same as Poland in 1918, or 1818, or 1718, or ….
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:23am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      SGA,
      
      You are correct. Aspects of Japanese culture are changing all the time, but the Japanese still know and love it as “their culture” and will want to protect it because it is theirs.
      
      It’s not so much a question of whether our culture is “better” or “superior” to a foreign one, but it is ours and its binds us together and identifies us as a nation.
      If you have no awareness of “内” then you will not know what “外” is.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Odakyu-sen , I think in Japan’s case there is a small problem of lack of space.
    
    You left out Korea where there is s similar problem too?
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:38am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Ah, Japan and Korea.
      So much commonality and yet so much rivalry.
      
      I saw an English-language stage performance of a drama involving Korean and Japanese conflict once. In the play, all the Korean characters had Irish accents. The Tokyo Japanese had posh-sounding west-end London accents, while those from Osaka had Yorkshire accents. It kind of captured the mood pretty well. (If the mainland Chinese had been involved, the director could have given them either American or Russian accents…)
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        Odakyu-sen , its worthwhile noting that Japan had occupied and ruled Korea for a sizable chunk of the 20th century.
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Koreans were forced to take Japanese names and to study Japanese in their schools…
        but still their distinctive culture survived.
        
        A different language, chili, a different script, chili, a different style of cooking, chili, a different way of heating their houses, chili… did I mention gochujang, kimchi, chili,
        
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        August 21, 2018 10:07am
      - rangitoto
        
        “A different language, chili, a different script, chili, a different style of cooking, chili, a different way of heating their houses, chili… did I mention gochujang, kimchi, chili”
        
        What did they do before they had chilies?
        
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        August 21, 2018 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @rangitoto
        http://bburikitchen.com/korean-chilies-101
        
        oh no, did I forget Garlic?
        https://www.thespruceeats.com/korean-pickled-garlic-2118848
        
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        August 21, 2018 11:40am
- kowtow
  
  “We are a nation that does not define its nationality, its identity, by reference to race or religion or cultural background or ethnic background,’
  
  Is that why the Oz gubmint rams abo stuff down everyone’s necks these days , and calls em racist for objecting?
  
  Some defining it seems is more defining than others.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:50am
  - stephieboy
    
    Kowtow, and you define yourself by an antique victory the Battle of the Boyne?
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:55am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I often wonder where ex-International Banker Turnbulls loyalties really lie:
    
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/11/13/malcolm-turnbull-israel-section-44/
    
    The Prime Minister goes on to say he has “never really looked into it” – just like John Alexander, now resigned from Parliament, had not looked into his father’s situation.
    
    My Israeli friend would be proud if Mr Turnbull shared his religion.
    
    “Your Prime Minister could even come here and live,” he said. This is what set off my alarm bells.
    
    Section 44 of the Australian constitution, as we are all becoming aware, prohibits not only dual nationals from being in Parliament, but also someone who is “entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power”.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:23am
  - kowtow
    
    The fuckwit calls the Battle of the Boyne antique .
    
    Without Billie’s victories in Ireland our constitution would be very different to what it is today.
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:01pm
JibberJabber

It certainly feels like you`ve stepped thru the Looking Glass when you find yourself agreeing with George Galloway and Red Ken on their opinions of todays media,
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/436390-media-bias-lies-livingstone/

British Media is not waving, it’s drowning…in a sea of its own mendacity
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435860-corbyn-media-israel-british/
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August 21, 2018 8:19am
- stephieboy
  
  JibberJabber, your RT contributor comes from the same rabid left stock as Jeremy Corbyn.
  
  https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/george-galloway-declares-israel-should-be-no-more-at-ihrc-event/
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:41am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Wooosh……
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:20am
Huevon

Any idea of what was going on an Antarctic NZ?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106426222/antarctica-nz-chief-executive-peter-beggs-was-sacked

Chief penguin eating the company fish?
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August 21, 2018 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Na, But look at the line-up of the Antarctica Board
  http://www.antarcticanz.govt.nz/about-us/governance/board-of-directors/
  
  One has also gone walkabout .
  
  Why is there only one scientist (Dr Helen Anderson) on that Board… and she’s not even an Antarctica specialist?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, well they certainly don’t need a botanist if as that that what you’re thinking.
    
    All display sound abilities and experiences in business management, commerce, leadership etc which is exactly what is required.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      well they certainly don’t need a botanist if as that that what you’re thinking.
      
      OMG, You are a mind reader!
      
      How did you know that Board of Antarctic Division is desperately in need of a Botanist…
      could it be from all those Beech and Ginkgo Forests down there?
      https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12378934
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:44am
    - rangitoto
      
      So what is your claim to fame apart from molesting goats?
      
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      August 21, 2018 11:39am
- Liberty
  
  It’s time Scott base was closed down and replaced with a automated weather station.
  Lighthouses have been automated for years so why not Scott base.
  The base is nothing more than a academic junket.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:52am
  - Batman
    
    Liberty, really??
    
    A) Scott Base is not a lighthouse that can be automated.
    B) a fair chunk of important scientific research goes on down there that covers a large part of the continent.
    C) there are important defence and security reasons for maintaining our stake in Antarctica.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s not just science that’s going on down there.
      Geopolitics has always been the Game.
      http://www.nzedge.com/news/geopolitics-and-new-zealands-antarctic-presence/
      
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      August 21, 2018 11:28am
    - Liberty
      
      Batman
      It is true there is important scientific research.There is also a lot
      of watching fluffy clouds and counting penguins.
      At a cost 20 million with a wish list of 150 million for a new bach.
      Now if they did something useful such as drilling for oil. There would be some justification.
      
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      August 21, 2018 1:04pm
      - Batman
        
        Hahahaha, drilling for oil, that’s a good one.
        
        I’m as pro oil as anyone here but I think Antarctica is my line for that one!
        
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        August 21, 2018 1:11pm
Paulus

WONDERFUL news as to where the 1,600 Police are to be stationed.
But can somebody tell me where are they coming from ?
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August 21, 2018 8:22am
- DigNap15
  
  And how many will leave over that time…
  So the net increase will be…
  
  And what is the point of catching the criminals when Andy and now Jacinda don’t want them in jail!!
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  Same place as the extra nurses, the extra teachers, the extra builders/construction workers and the money trees to pay for it all………
  
  Jacinda’s toothy fairy dust, unicorn garden, where it is always sweetness and light and where all things happen, because Jacinda wishes them to happen and she said “let’s do this.”
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:32am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The bro’s are stirring from the couch . . . .
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:19am
  - Piniwi
    
    However hullkiwi it has morphed into “Let’s Say We’ll Do This” when they throw out any set of numbers that is never challenged by their compliant Media party.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:30am
    - Kleva Kiwi
      
      Its almost as if they are starting to make all these long term promises and structural changes via virtue signalling because they know that they will never get the opportunity to enact them…
      
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      August 21, 2018 11:17am
- RF
  
  Paulus.
  
  I know an instructor from the Police College. When I recently asked him that same question he laughed and said the quote from Darryl Kerrigan the famous Aussie actor, “Tell her she’s dreaming”
  
  I changed the gender for my comment.
  
  No use poaching from Aussie as their Police are far better off for working conditions and wages. Ask the Kiwi cops heading over there to work.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:01am
  - Batman
    
    I dunno, I recently ran a recruitment process and one of the candidates pulled out because she was off to police college in 2019 as part of this intake.
    
    So clearly some young Kiwis are looking at it….. Annoyingly from a political standpoint
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:13pm
  - Paulus
    
    Looks to me from live Aussie Police work on TV that they are much tougher than our Police are allowed to be.
    And our traffic ones appear to be very fair (especially to silly Tourists). That is good but would not happen in Aussie.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:07pm
KevOB

Another regal decision from the PM.

The Remuneration Authority, by Statute, sets the pay rates after each election for MP’s.
The PM is interfering in their work and the right of members to be paid what the Authority decides.

The Authority may have to consider actual individual MP ability when setting pay rates not just expected competency rates.
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August 21, 2018 8:24am
- MCos
  
  The PM can’t overrule those people. It needs a vote in parliament.
  Let’s see who stands on principle and votes for a pay rise.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    The Coalition of Liars will do as they are told after the Party hopping bill is passed.
    Then drop the MMP from 5% to 3% as per secret agreement.
    That will keep Cindy in power and be controlled by Peters after the next election.
    And there is nothing that can be done about it.
    We/You voted for a change so there.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:10pm
hullkiwi

Sorry, but pseudo sociology possing as science and academic learning deserves to be dumped upon. Much of this field is nothing more than common day observations of people behaving to their biological genetics with other environmental factors. Around which someone has thrown on the words social & science. That is not an academic learned, rigorously examined body of knowledge that will stand the test of time.
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August 21, 2018 8:24am
- hullkiwi
  
  The above is a response to MW from above.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:26am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Sociology has become a social justice movement hiding out (usually not very well) in the university system.
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:38am
- stephieboy
  
  hullkiwi, so penal reform commentator Greg Newbold ( Professor of Sociology ) is into Psuedo science and learning?
  
  Paul Moon ( Professor of History ) too?
  
  The board has seven members who have a proven record in all spheres of leadership , business management. Commerce etc,
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:20am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Newbold, the crime turned sociologist criminologists, and Moon, history prof who has rewritten Nz Maori history (like Claudia Orange before him) residing in an institution that has pretence to be a “University of Technology.”
    
    Much of what those 3 have written or said is accepted only by those who follow the bias of the 3 professors. Strangely, their writings have never been accepted beyond very narrow groups of scholars or commentators. Says it all really.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:21am
holysheet

A housewife takes a lover during the day, while her husband is at work. Not aware that 9 year old son was hiding in the closet. Her husband came home unexpectedly, so she hid her lover in the closet. The boy now has company.
Boy: “Dark in here.”
Man: “Yes it is.”
Boy: “I have a baseball.”
Man: “That’s nice.”
Boy: “Want to buy it?”
Man: “No, thanks.”
Boy: “My dad’s outside.”
Man: “OK, how much?”
Boy: “$250.”
In the next few weeks, it happens again that the boy and the mom’s lover are in the closet together.
Boy: “Dark in here.”
Man: “Yes, it is.”
Boy: “I have a baseball glove.”
Man: “That’s nice.”
Boy: “Want to buy it?”
Man: “No, thanks.”
Boy: “I’ll tell.”
Man: “How much?”
Boy: “$750.”
Man: “Fine.”
A few days later, the father says to the boy, “Grab your glove. Let’s go outside and toss the baseball!” The boy says, “I can’t. I sold them.”
The father asks, “How much did you sell them for?” The son says, “$1,000.”
The father says, “That’s terrible to over-charge your friends like that. That is way more than those two things cost. I’m going to take you to church and make you confess.”
They go to church and the father alerts the priest and makes the little boy sit in the confession booth and closes the door. The boy says, “Dark in here.”
The priest says, “Don’t start that shit again.”
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August 21, 2018 8:25am
DigNap15

Jacinda. So
Prisons are a failure
Capitalism is a failure
Free Speech is failure
And you think that all New Zealanders agree with you.

You are the failure!
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August 21, 2018 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  Jacinda is so out of her depth she can barely see the bottom. A presentable face does not a PM make.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:35am
DigNap15

They say our crime rate has been going down.
If that is true, then its probably mainly due to the fact that we have more people locked up.
When they are locked up, we are safer and our homes and possessions are safer.

If you want to cut the crime rate, then stop ferals breeding and educate them properly with some manners and work ethic!
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August 21, 2018 8:35am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What motivation could a democratic-socialist State like New Zealand have for reducing the population of welfare-dependent / big-government-dependent people?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:57am
- kowtow
  
  Police massage the figures.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:43am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed. catch and release if you are under 18, not a white male.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:09am
- Piniwi
  
  Sadly DigNap15 it has become a generational thing since even back in the day there were as many as 3 generations on the DPB in the same family. When they see the great lifestyle mum and nana have they naturally follow suit as they too gather a newer set of uncles. Then when the kids do a runner they have spare rooms in their state house for BnB rental.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:39am
- GoVege
  
  The only way you will stop “ferals” breeding is if you:
  1) pay them to use contraception or sterilization.
  2) force males to support their children or jail them.
  3) don’t pay the DPB unless the father is named.
  
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  August 21, 2018 3:58pm
Hugh Pavletich

That unfolding Australian house price crash | FT Alphaville

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-21-august-2018/#comment-3169350

That unfolding Australian house price crash | FT Alphaville

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/08/20/1534766447000/That-unfolding-Australian-house-price-crash/

Those who have long, long argued Australian house prices are mental appear to be enjoying the correction. For instance, Bronte Capital’s John Hempton: … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 21, 2018 8:42am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Well done Hugh!
  
  Only two hyperlinks and less than 10,000 copy and pasted words!
  
  A real turning point that shows you have learned your lesson about hijacking someone else’s blog!
  
  I am still not going to read it and will habitually downtick the post but well done again all the same!
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:24am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    California and United Kingdom house price trends
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-21-august-2018/#comment-3169401
    
    California and United Kingdom house price trends
    
    California’s July 2018 Housing Market Retreats For Third Straight Month As Affordability Crunch Dampens Demand (California Association of Realtors) – Mariposa County Sales Up 10% Year Over Year
    
    http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/real-estate/15350-california-s-july-2018-housing-market-retreats-for-third-straight-month-as-affordability-crunch-dampens-demand-mariposa-county-sales-up-10-year-over-year
    
    August 20, 2018 – LOS ANGELES – California’s housing market backpedaled in July on an annual basis for the third consecutive month as higher interest rates and rising home prices eroded housing affordability and dampened demand, the CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS® (C.A.R.)® (C.A.R.) said last week. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    House prices: London sees biggest fall as UK asking prices drop by 2.3 per cent in August | Homes and Property
    
    https://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property-news/london-sees-biggest-fall-as-uk-asking-prices-drop-by-23-per-cent-in-august-a123191.html
    
    Average asking prices in August have dropped by more than £7,000 as Rightmove says vendors nation-wide are putting their properties on the market for 2.3 per cent less than in July. … read more via hyperlink above
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:27am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I knew it was too good to last . . . . .
      
      Same shit but a different day, so predictable, so boring and so annoyingly repetitive.
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:29am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Why don’t you just report him three times?His whole stupid thread will then vanish.
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:47am
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  Did you have to link a post that is a copy and past of the post you are linking to a post that is paywalled via a registration…?
  
  Fail.
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:41am
DigNap15

Here is today’s Maori Vocabulary lesson.
Its especially for Jacinda
The word is “condescending”

Oh great! there is no Maori word for it.
Please check in tomorrow for another lesson.
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August 21, 2018 9:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  Patronising is probably another one?
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:09am
  - DigNap15
    
    You’ll have to wait for tomorrows lesson, But I promise I will put that word in my lessons for you.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “The word is “condescending” Oh great! there is no Maori word for it.”
  
  Words are merely symbols for underlying concepts. If there is no concept of “condescension” (as the concept exists in English) then there will be no word for it in another language.
  Some people believe that you can eliminate a concept by banning the words that symbolize that concept. What happens is that people invent new words to once again represent those concepts.
  Thus, “crippled” was replaced by “handicapped” which in turn was replaced by “disabled.”
  
  When “disabled” falls out of fashion, as it inevitably will, what new term will replace it?
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:11am
  - softail 1450
    
    Odakyu-sen,,,oh good we may be able to reclaim the word “gay” when the queers have finished with it….
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:39am
  - DigNap15
    
    Can we ban welfare and socialism please?
    Perhaps we could rename the Labour Pardy to the Bludgers Welfare Party.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:57am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Very true given the current beliefs, policies and promises espoused by the modern day NZ Labour Party are incongruent with the meaning of the words labour and working class.
      
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      August 21, 2018 1:32pm
  - Jack5
    
    Odakyu-sen writes at 9.11:
    
    “Words are merely symbols for underlying concepts. If there is no concept of “condescension” (as the concept exists in English) then there will be no word for it in another language.
    
    Perhaps there is more interplay between the concept and the word than that, Odakyu-sen. I’m thinking of the example of words for colour.
    
    Close to home, pre-colonisation Maori didn’t have words that distinguished blue and green. One word served both. Similarly, in English we have one word for blue when Russians see two colours. They have one word for light blue, and another for dark blue.
    
    The 19th century British Prime Minister, Gladstone, a classics scholar, famously showed that the Ancient Greeks’ concepts or descriptions of colour differed from modern people’s colour concepts or descriptions.
    
    The Ancient Greeks, like Maori, didn’t have a word for blue. Moderns were long confused by Homer’s description of the “wine red sea”.
    
    The question is, Odakyu-sen, whether people have the word for the underlying concept, or whether the word helps them define the concept – in this case moulds their conception of the colour spectrum. I’m sure modern Maori distinguish blue from green, and modern Greeks distinguish their blue sea from the colour red.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:18pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      It’s the same in Japanese as in Maori.
      What English would call a “green” traffic light is called a “blue” one in Japanese.
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:39pm
- KevOB
  
  That’s equivalent to not giving due deference to rank (mana).
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My dictionary has it…
  whakaiti(a)
  
  Here is today’s sentence for memorisation:
  
  Ka whakaiti te kuini ki te kai i te taha o nga kotare.
  
  (The Queen condescended to eat with the beggars).
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:53am
  - DigNap15
    
    Tell that one to Jack Tame
    He’ll probably use it.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:58am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Espiner already uses that at 6.00am as the preamable to the Red Radio CNN outpost. Problem being, no-one understands a word he is saying.
      
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      August 21, 2018 11:13am
  - KevOB
    
    Interesting.
    Whaka — in the manner of/ like
    Iti — little/lower
    
    whakaiti: like smaller
    
    English “condescended” has much more riches.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:34am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Oh great! there is no Maori word for [condescending].
  
  Well, except for “mahakai.” But sure, apart from that Māori word for condescending, there’s no Māori word for condescending.
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:56pm
  - KevOB
    
    What’s food got to do with it?
    
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    August 21, 2018 5:21pm
Salacious Crumb

First two white owned farms siezed by the ANC government in South Africa. No outcry from our government of course and only the NZH deems it newsworthy it appears.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12110366
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August 21, 2018 9:11am
- softail 1450
  
  S C,, Its the “white” those folk deserve all that’s coming to them…
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:17am
- Harkman
  
  From what I gather from SA history, many of these white farmers are actually the “original inhabitants” of the land.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:19am
  - cmm
    
    There’s a lot of bullshit floating about wrt South African History on both extremes of the spectrum. Let’s clear a few points up.
    
    Thus far the area which has seen this forced appropriation is the Limpopo province just south of Zimbabwe.
    
    South Africa – all areas – had been lived in before both the backs and the whites arrived. The whole area had been inhabited by the Khoi San people.
    
    Of course “inhabited” is a very loose term. Most of these areas were not settled and maybe saw a wandering clan of people through them once in a while, so not really “inhabited”” in the true sense of the word.
    
    When the Bantu (Black) people arrived, they took over the better areas of land. If you hop onto Google maps and look at the satellite view, it is pretty easy to see which areas these are: the green areas on the Eastern side of the country and a bit just South of Zimbabwe (Limpopo/Northern Transvaal). Their crops did not grow in the deserts or South of the Fish river, so they didn’t go there.
    
    Apart from Limpopo area (which was really one tier down in desirability), most of those desirable areas have been under continuous black ownership and has never been owned by white people.
    
    Even the majority of the Limpopo region is still under black ownership.
    
    In the early 1800s there was a period known as the Mfecane when the Zulu went on a murdering spree, killing about half of the South African population at the time and driving people away from their lands. This had a ripple effect all the way up into Zambia etc.
    
    The boers had their “Great Trek” just after the Mfecane and many of the areas that had been inhabited were now deserted or significantly purged of population, but mostly they took over lands that had never been settled. This included some of the Limpopo area.
    
    In areas like Limpopo, still reeling from the Mfecane, the inhabitants would have likely been happy to have the boers arrive with their guns and give them some protection from the Zulu. [I am sure many Maori would have appreciated the stability brought by British too.]
    
    Limpopo is perhaps the only area in South Africa where there might be some reasonable claims that black people had their land stolen. However, much of that land was either bought or not occupied when the boers arrived .
    
    No matter what history says, unfortunately the modern narrative is very different and hostile and – as anyone could see for decades – it’s going to turn into a huge mess.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:12pm
    - Harkman
      
      Interesting cmm, yes Jim Rogers had something along these lines in one of his books. The similarities with here and other new world places is amazing, mostly white settlers inhabited places as far from the locals as possible. Auckland pretty much came about because local tribes wanted Whites to settle on the front line of inter-tribal warfare and absorb any str
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Can’t be true .
  
  That private property is being seized in a Commonwealth country and is not headline news in the BBC or RNZ , it’s just not happening!
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:11am
- Longknives
  
  Check out the post on The Standard from a few weeks ago commending South Africa for this and suggesting perhaps we should do the same here in New Zealand.
  
  It gives a fascinating insight into the mindset of the ‘White Guilt-ridden’ Left..
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:20am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    That’s par for the course on the Marxist forum. I have actually seen posts there suggesting the NZ government should sieze unoccupied private homes to be given to the poor and homeless. Worse still, there wasn’t a whole lot of condemnation of such tyrannical ideology.
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:21pm
- -D
  
  Calling attention to the situation in South Africa was/is one of Lauren Southern’s most significant successes. Her 2o18 documentary “Farmlands” is well worth a watch:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk&ab_channel=LaurenSouthern
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:09pm
Manolo

The seller of smoke says this is the last time. Yeah right…
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-pope-abuse-letter/pope-writes-to-catholics-on-clergy-sexual-abuse-vows-no-more-cover-up-idUSKCN1L510L
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August 21, 2018 9:13am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  There’s as lot more to come out yet. This has blown up in the last month in the USA with Cardinal Theodore McCarrick being exposed as a homosexual abuser of young men and vulnerable seminarians for the past five decades, which have been covered up by some other bishops, and there will be many more heads to roll – possibly 2 more cardinals, and several bishops.
  This is a huge scandal, and the faithful Catholics in the USA and elsewhere are outraged that these leaders have betrayed not only their priestly vows but also the vulnerable youth, and the people themselves. You can be sure that there will be a cleanout of these filthy homosexuals and those who have protected/supported them.
  Good on the USA Catholics who are calling out the deviants among the hierarchy. The trouble is, the majority of the priests and bishops are good men faithful to their vows and the Church. But these scum have brought the entire Church into disrepute.
  
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  August 21, 2018 4:24pm
softail 1450

1800 new cops and less crims in jail,,,WTF am I missing here?????
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August 21, 2018 9:15am
- Harkman
  
  Ever seen the cat chase its tail?
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:21am
- Psycho Milt
  
  That was a pretty annoying news story. The whole basis for the increase was presented as being the need to police recreational drug use in Northland and a few other places. The cost of criminalising recreational drugs is already enormous and these clowns are increasing it further.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:59am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes more police is great.
  We need better judges to lock the crims they catch up for longer.
  And more beds in our jails
  And less luxuries
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:00am
Philview

Jacinda Ardern sounded like a populist dictator yesterday ruling out pay rises for MPs.

I used to have a bit to do with the family of one National MP. It was an eye opener the stress the families live under. MP husband away a lot missing out on family and children growing up. A normalised threat of violence and death threats for the MP and the family. Bricks thrown through windows etc.

I wouldn’t touch that job even for $300K.
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August 21, 2018 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  When Key introduced a freeze the Greens voted against it. Go figure.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:37am
- stephieboy
  
  Phil View,” a populist dictator “??
  
  Surely you mean the US President?
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:45am
  - Philview
    
    The US media call Ardern the NZ version of Trump. Ha, ha it really winds her up!
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:37am
- KevOB
  
  Agreed: it a very hard life.
  
  Now regality again.The PM may consult with all members but she cannot arbitrarily set pay rates. That is out of members hands so this very thing does not happen. The COL will have to bully the required legislative changes through. The PM’s words are airless otherwise.
  
  A separate Authority does a comparative review of higher salaries after each election. They may have cause to consider measuring MP’s ability against expected standards and recommending downward adjustments for the lesser competents now in the House.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Haven’t you realised with a majority in Parliament and with a Party Hopping bill she and Peters can do anything they want.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:15pm
- MCos
  
  Two points there.
  According to Farage ‘populism’ is a good thing.
  Ardern did not ‘dictate’ this freeze. Parliament must vote on the matter.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:55am
  - Philview
    
    MP’s already have a gun to their heads with the “Waka” Bill. The concept of independence in parliament is looking shaky.
    The point about populism is that the NZ media are very critical when it happens in the US or Europe but look the other way when it can be applied to this coalition Government.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:29am
Prince

Given the increase in the size of the executive under this coalition, I wonder what the % increase in total cost to the taxpayer is, regardless of the salary freeze.
With so many ministers, associate ministers, and extra ministries, perhaps the Opposition could do the research to discover the actual salary increase for the total executive, even before the various commissions etc to tell them what to do.
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August 21, 2018 9:47am
- krazykiwi
  
  I saw yesterday that UK ministers were demanding higher expenses on account of ‘all the Brexit work’ they were undertaking. In a similar vein, I expect team Chompers will be making up any ‘lost’ increases in, um, other [less transparent] ways.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:55am
krazykiwi

At 5.4%, which was prior to Cindy’s free first year bribe, New Zealand taxpayers spent the highest proportion of public money on tertiary education.

Out of 40 developed nations, New Zealand has the second highest spending on primary-thru-post-primary education.

We don’t need to spend more on education. We do need to get better value from our current spend.

Source: OECD Data
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August 21, 2018 9:53am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and the other day even the universities agreed that tightening up on elegibilty (to only literate people) and their pass rates improved!
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:03am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Anecdotally I believe that 80% of a class is required to be passed by a lecturer.
    
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    August 22, 2018 4:36pm
Lance

I see the Horrald is still obsessing over Max Key…. again.
Someone needs to tell them John isn’t PM anymore, or even in parliament.
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August 21, 2018 9:56am
- itstricky
  
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  obsessing
  
  You mean like how KB obsesses over baby Neve?
  
  Or not like that?
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:06am
  - srylands
    
    Not like that.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:12am
  - VicParking
    
    Obsesses? The last time the Neve was mentioned was when Queen Cindy came out of her 9th floor Nursery squirrel on tit hidden under a blanket for a photo shoot.
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:19am
  - Lance
    
    WTF?
    No danger of any examples?
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:44am
    - itstricky
      
      No danger of any examples?
      
      You made that comment a good 25 minutes after VicParking’s quip about Queen Cindy’s squirrel. Well done.
      
      But, just because I do like to answer your questions and I do like to be thorough, there are 220 comments on these two threads. I’m not sure what the obsessing threshold is. Let me know when you’ve figured out a reasonable number.
      
      How to win elections from here – have a baby – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272549
      Mind you, given the penchant the Mother & Father of the Nation’s baby have for gratuitous publicity Mallard’s protection may not be appreciated by all. Especially after the women’s magazine cheques have been cashed. – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272553
      if i had time i’d go down to that shit hole parliament and get photos of the miracle child ,,,whats the fricking idiot going to do about that when photos are distributed around the public? – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272555
      Hipcrit can set the agenda with the ducks help so that at debates when she needs to ponce it can be arranged so Neve is alseep. – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272556
      How much money are she and Clarkey boy collecting from an obvious “exclusive deal” with Neve photos, glossy photo shoots, herald articles etc. – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/herald_to_cut_out_the_middle_man.html/comment-page-1#comment-2286953
      Sorry David, Mummy has already asked Neve to write the op-ed the week she is guest editor. – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/herald_to_cut_out_the_middle_man.html/comment-page-1#comment-2286771
      don’t want Neve in the spotlight? Who cares what she looks like, you just told the entire country about her toileting – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272779
      with our C O L there would need to be males nursing bubba’s as well and lesbians ,transvestites,gays, gorillas ,and donkeys … – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272881
      Can’t they just blur her out? – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272586
      As far as I’m concerned anyone who sells their baby pictures to Women’s Magazines waives their right to so called privacy. – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html#comment-2272592
      
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      Hmm, posted them and then they got moderated hours ago, presumably because there were too many links. So let’s try again…
      
      You made that comment a good 25 minutes after VicParking’s quip about Queen Cindy’s squirrel. Well done.
      
      But, just because I do like to answer your questions and I do like to be thorough, there are 220 comments on these two threads. I’m not sure what the obsessing threshold is. Let me know when you’ve figured out a reasonable number.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/overkill.html
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/herald_to_cut_out_the_middle_man.html
      
      How to win elections from here – have a baby
      Mind you, given the penchant the Mother & Father of the Nation’s baby have for gratuitous publicity Mallard’s protection may not be appreciated by all. Especially after the women’s magazine cheques have been cashed.
      if i had time i’d go down to that shit hole parliament and get photos of the miracle child ,,,whats the fricking idiot going to do about that when photos are distributed around the public?
      Hipcrit can set the agenda with the ducks help so that at debates when she needs to ponce it can be arranged so Neve is alseep.
      How much money are she and Clarkey boy collecting from an obvious “exclusive deal” with Neve photos, glossy photo shoots, herald articles etc.
      Sorry David, Mummy has already asked Neve to write the op-ed the week she is guest editor.
      don’t want Neve in the spotlight? Who cares what she looks like, you just told the entire country about her toileting
      with our C O L there would need to be males nursing bubba’s as well and lesbians ,transvestites,gays, gorillas ,and donkeys …
      Can’t they just blur her out?
      As far as I’m concerned anyone who sells their baby pictures to Women’s Magazines waives their right to so called privacy.
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:46pm
      - KevOB
        
        Is Jacinda merchandising her Office? She attracts publicity because of it so any fees she gets should be paid to the Public Account. The Auditor General should take this under review.
        
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        August 21, 2018 5:26pm
      - itstricky
        
        She attracts publicity because of it so any fees she gets should be paid to the Public Account
        
        I dunno. Ask my mates John and Bill. They know:
        
        https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/new-zealand-womans-weekly/20161212/281543700556244
        
        https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/new-zealand-womans-weekly/20180101/281706910059788
        
        Ahhhhhh, how sweet. What a lovely sentiment:
        
        There is more to life than me being Prime Minister. Our relationship is much bigger than that
        
        Touching.
        
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        August 21, 2018 5:34pm
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How Pro Sports Became Part of the U.S. Military’s War Machine
by WILLIAM J. ASTORE, In These Times, Aug. 20, 2018

As long as I can remember, I’ve been a sports fan. As long as I can remember, I’ve been interested in the military. Until recently, I experienced those as two separate and distinct worlds. While I was in the military – I served for 20 years as an officer in the U.S. Air Force – I did, of course, play sports. As a young lieutenant, I was in a racquetball tournament at my base in Colorado. At Squadron Officer School in Alabama, I took part in volleyball and flickerball (a bizarre Air Force sport). At the Air Force Academy, I was on a softball team and when we finally won a game, all of us signed the ball. I also enjoyed being in a military bowling league. I even had my own ball with my name engraved on it.

Don’t misunderstand me. I was never particularly skilled at any sport, but I did thoroughly enjoy playing partly because it was such a welcome break from work – a reprieve from wearing a uniform, saluting, following orders, and all the rest. Sports were sports. Military service was military service. And never the twain shall meet.

Since 9/11, however, sports and the military have become increasingly fused in this country. Professional athletes now consider it perfectly natural to don uniforms that feature camouflage patterns. (They do this, teams say, as a form of “military appreciation.”) Indeed, for only $39.99 you, too, can buy your own Major League Baseball-sanctioned camo cap at MLB’s official site. And then, of course, you can use that cap in any stadium to shade your eyes as you watch flyovers, parades, reunions of service members returning from our country’s war zones and their families, and a multitude of other increasingly militarized ceremonies that celebrate both veterans and troops in uniform at sports stadiums across what, in the post-9/11 years, has come to be known as “the homeland.”

These days, you can hardly miss moments when, for instance, playing fields are covered with gigantic American flags, often unfurled and held either by scores of military personnel or civilian defense contractors. Such ceremonies are invariably touted as natural expressions of patriotism, part of a continual public expression of gratitude for America’s “warfighters” and “heroes.” These are, in other words, uncontroversial displays of pride, even though a study ordered by Republican Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake revealed that the U.S. taxpayer, via the Pentagon, has regularly forked over tens of millions of dollars ($53 million between 2012 and 2015 alone) to corporate-owned teams to put on just such displays.

Paid patriotism should, of course, be an oxymoron. These days, however, it’s anything but….

Read more…
http://inthesetimes.com/article/21393/sports-military-patriotism-corporate-war-baseball-football-hockey
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August 21, 2018 9:57am
- Morrissey
  
  Three flag fetishists have registered their pathetic presence with us today.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:10am
  - Longknives
    
    God Bless America!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
    
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    August 21, 2018 10:22am
    - Morrissey
      
      Rubbish. You don’t love America, you’re simply an authoritarian who feels dutybound to bark out your loyalty to the state. If you were a North Korean, you’d be one of the most perfervid.
      
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      August 21, 2018 10:29am
      - Longknives
        
        I do love America!
        Travelled through half a dozen or so States and desperately want to see more- A beautiful Country with amazing history and mindblowing sights and the people there are so damned friendly..
        
        *I tell you who are nice guys Morrissey- American Cops! Some of the most helpful,coolest and friendliest Police I’ve met anywhere in the World..
        
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        August 21, 2018 10:40am
      - MCos
        
        I’d pretty much agree with your comment.
        My Maori mate who lives in Washington DC & owns some gyms, not so much so, but he has this little skin colour problem.
        
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        August 21, 2018 11:02am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    One lunatic Morris Dancer has registered his unwelcome presence with us today.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:10am
- realityczech
  
  Morris Dancer, this happened under the black warlord Obama. The stinking beast kept the US at war for the longest period in US history. He dropped nearly 3 bombs an hour for every hour he was in office.
  
  The dirty beast needs to be hung for his war crimes.
  
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  August 22, 2018 4:41pm
dime

“he Wallabies have played 50 tests under Cheika and have a 53% winning percentage”

yikes. worse than deans!
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August 21, 2018 10:00am
sooty

Is the bag lady using mp’s payrise to pay the teachers?
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August 21, 2018 10:09am
kowtow

Our media are so funny.

White cop shoots black in US and it will lead all our broadcasts and get into the papers.

Black on black carnage in Chicago , not so much.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/20/more-than-50-shot-six-killed-over-weekend-in-rahm-emanuels-chicago/
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August 21, 2018 10:13am
- Longknives
  
  That poor Aussie Woman shot by the ‘Diversity’ Cop in the States seems to have disappeared from headlines as well.
  Doesn’t fit their ‘Evil White Cop’ narrative…
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:24am
- Morrissey
  
  Aren’t the police supposed to be protecting the community? Why are they murdering citizens?
  
  “There’s a lot of things have got to change. Police brutality. There’s people being murdered.”
  
  —COLIN KAEPERNICK
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMC3WkOUAXQ
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:24am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Our media are so funny.
  
  You think it’s funny that our media doesn’t consider a nation’s police force to be just another street gang? That sounds like a very sensible thing to me – what do you think is funny about it?
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:57am
kevn

We need a snap election right now. No chance but what with the Gunt/NZF performances and economy confidence down plus virtue signals aplenty… be nice to see it happen.
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August 21, 2018 10:14am
- Psycho Milt
  
  According to recent polls the governing parties are a good 5 points or more ahead of National. So, a snap election would achieve what, exactly?
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:55am
- DigNap15
  
  No way.
  We need to wait till they drop in the polls.
  Wait till inflation and job losses kick in.
  Wait til they start releasing their criminals
  Wait
  Wait
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:40am
  - Morrissey
    
    Wait
    Wait
    
    Another eight years at least.
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:41pm
krazykiwi

When the MSM are struggling to source commentary:

“Cruise ship survivor plucked out of sea ‘a stupid woman’ says mother of liner’s boss“
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August 21, 2018 10:14am
Dave Stringer

Here’s a thing.

In Venezuela taxis are cheaper than busses. You pay for the bus when you get in, but for the taxi when you get out. With inflation running at over A MILLION PERCENT, the longer the ride the cheaper the cab.
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August 21, 2018 10:18am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Rubbish. From what looney site did you glean that piece of fake news?
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:22am
  - Harkman
    
    You’ve got to learn some basic math.
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:41am
  - Dave Stringer
    
    Strangely enough, it was by personal experience back when Brazil was in similar circumstances. The head man at our office in San Paulo demonstrated on a trip to the airport, about 55 minutes. When I arrived at the airport the driver radioed in the meter reading and the dispatcher advised him of the exchange rate for the meter which was updated every 10 minutes.
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    Lots of fun going to Banks there in those days too. They took new banknotes out of the draw and stamped three zeroes on them to reflect current value ?
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Love it. Morrissey instantly appears to defend socialism’s most recently failed country.
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Fake Science (all published in Top peer-reviewed Journals, of course)

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/08/researcher-center-epic-fraud-remains-enigma-those-who-exposed-him
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August 21, 2018 10:40am
- SGA
  
  Fascinating article, thanks. Interesting how other scientists (many NZ based at that) exposed the fraud as well.
  
  Also, further up in today’s General Debate, there is a discussion about culture and values. This section of the article was interesting in that regard.
  
  Sato’s fraudulent work has propelled him to No. 6 on Retraction Watch’s list of researchers who have racked up the most retractions. At the top is Japanese anesthesiologist Yoshitaka Fujii, with 183 retractions; his frequent co-author Yuhji Saitoh, also from Japan, is at 10th place, while Japanese endocrinologist Shigeaki Kato is No. 8. Iwamoto is at No. 9. That means half of the top 10 are Japanese researchers. Yet only about 5% of published research comes from Japan. What explains the number of prolific Japanese fraudsters?
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:31am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Not a good look, is it.
    
    (Casting around for an excuse.)
    I know! Maybe the university administration put them up to it, to boost publication levels to be able to get more students/more funding…?
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:24pm
    - SGA
      
      The Japanese education system does have a certain “do well at all costs” aspect to it in general. Maybe that has something to do with it.
      
      Other strange things happen in their education system too.
      http://time.com/5356261/japan-medical-school-exam-women/
      
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      August 21, 2018 3:56pm
Manolo

Pinko Turnbull on his way out:
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5824516250001

Malcolm Turnbull will face the Liberal party room this morning amid intense speculation Peter Dutton will launch a challenge for the top job.

A leadership challenge now seems inevitable after Mr Turnbull dumped his signature energy policy in a bid to appease a rebel backbench, who claim the move may be too little too late.
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August 21, 2018 11:15am
- Mobile Michael
  
  He won 48-35, but his leadership is terminal. Only Dutton self-exploding will save him now.
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:50am
krazykiwi

Hamas ‘salutes’ Jeremy Corbyn as fresh links with Islamist group emerge

Hamas has pledged its support for Jeremy Corbyn as more evidence emerged on Monday of his long-running links to the Islamist group.

Praising the Labour leader for his political activism, Hamas, which was recently proscribed by the European Court of Justice, declared “we salute Jeremy Corbyn’s supportive positions to the Palestinians”.

It’s terrifying to think this guy could be the next UK PM.
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August 21, 2018 11:33am
- VicParking
  
  Hamas Pledges Support for Marama and Golz. “We will take your Rubbish NZ, send the two of them over”
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:48am
- Morrissey
  
  Oh, it’s the Telegraph. About as reliable as a degree from Trump University.
  
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  August 21, 2018 12:06pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Didn’t like the message, so you shot [limply] at the messenger. Better point your pop-gun at The Times too.
    
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    August 21, 2018 12:14pm
    - Morrissey
      
      The Times is a Murdoch rag, you pillock. It makes the Telegraph look respectable.
      
      By all means, go on acting as a megaphone for the defeated, desperate, discredited, doomed Blairite rump of the Labour Party if you want; it’s your credibility you’re pouring down the drain.
      
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      August 21, 2018 12:38pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        A squirrel-juggling troll. How dull.
        
        Back on the topic (rather than denigrating the source), I note that Corbyn tried to hide that particular trip by failing to declare his expenses, while his fellow Labourite Andrew Slaughter dutifully declared his.
        
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        August 21, 2018 12:52pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Back on the topic (rather than denigrating the source)…
        
        Murdoch’s rags are already at the lowest ebb it is possible to reach. I can’t be bothered flogging a dead horse and enumerating their lies any more. They discredit themselves. No, I’m denigrating those bewildered souls who are dumb enough to quote these discredited lie factories.
        
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        August 21, 2018 2:09pm
  - VicParking
    
    Or a comment by You, Stephie or Hugh.
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:49pm
Monique Watson

I think I’m gonna go through three bottles of wine and a half a dozen beers today..
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August 21, 2018 11:39am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t forget to re-cycle the bottles and don’t use a straw to drink the wine.
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:51am
- waikatogirl
  
  That’s a lot Monique. Something wrong?
  You should try living in NZ with Queen Cindy at the helm. ?
  
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  August 21, 2018 11:58am
  - VicParking
    
    Problem is she’s not at the helm shes on the Poop deck having a photo shoot
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:47pm
- Morrissey
  
  Monique = Pam Corkery, and I claim my five pounds.
  
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  August 21, 2018 4:52pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12110656

Oes noes. Guns cause more violence in Whanganui.

Rotten luck that it always seems to happen to those nice gang people. Poor buggers never seem to get a break!
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August 21, 2018 11:39am
VicParking

The failing newspaper has failed again “Gun Shots, gang Members in Castlecliff, Whanganui”. Puriri St is nowhere near Castlecliff its in Gonville or as we call it Winzville a good half a kilometer from the border of Castlecliff which is Mosston Road. The only excitement we get in Castlecliff is another Ambulence arriving for a Heart Attack. From the Photos its Black Power who are lightweights in the River City.
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August 21, 2018 11:44am
- Paulus
  
  Wanganui used to be a nice town then they upgraded he Prison so the whanau moved there as their whanau are nearly always in Prison and ask to be sent there.
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIAN, CALIFORNIAN AND BRITISH HOUSING BUBBLES DEFLATING …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-21-august-2018/#comment-3169350

That unfolding Australian house price crash | FT Alphaville

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/08/20/1534766447000/That-unfolding-Australian-house-price-crash/

Those who have long, long argued Australian house prices are mental appear to be enjoying the correction. For instance, Bronte Capital’s John Hempton: … read more via hyperlink above …
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California and United Kingdom house price trends

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-21-august-2018/#comment-3169401

California’s July 2018 Housing Market Retreats For Third Straight Month As Affordability Crunch Dampens Demand (California Association of Realtors) – Mariposa County Sales Up 10% Year Over Year

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/real-estate/15350-california-s-july-2018-housing-market-retreats-for-third-straight-month-as-affordability-crunch-dampens-demand-mariposa-county-sales-up-10-year-over-year

August 20, 2018 – LOS ANGELES – California’s housing market backpedaled in July on an annual basis for the third consecutive month as higher interest rates and rising home prices eroded housing affordability and dampened demand, the CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS® (C.A.R.)® (C.A.R.) said last week. … read more via hyperlink above …
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House prices: London sees biggest fall as UK asking prices drop by 2.3 per cent in August | Homes and Property

https://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property-news/london-sees-biggest-fall-as-uk-asking-prices-drop-by-23-per-cent-in-august-a123191.html

Average asking prices in August have dropped by more than £7,000 as Rightmove says vendors nation-wide are putting their properties on the market for 2.3 per cent less than in July. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 21, 2018 11:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Trouble in the old neighbourhood

Reports of gun shots, gang members in Castlecliff, Whanganui
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12110656
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August 21, 2018 11:52am
- VicParking
  
  Conville Maggy not the Suburb by the sea.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Any bad press and they blame Castlecliffians.
    
    (Yep, Castlecliff ended at the Pub cr – Polson St/Cross St)
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:17pm
UpandComer

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-begins-seizing-whiteowned-farms/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b

White genocide has started in South Africa.

There is no compromise here. Anyone who supports the South African government of communist semi mongoloid shysters is an enemy.

Oh, look: https://www.infowars.com/british-govt-appears-to-back-land-reforms-aimed-at-dispossessing-south-africas-white-minority

The !!British!! Government supports the land seizures and guaranteed immiseration and starvation.

England is now a muslim caliphate. Why would we pretend they’re an ally? If thry endorse white genocide in SA why would we think they’d even help diplomatically if we became a Chinese dominion? How i hate the English.

There is no grey area. Anyone who supports the SA governments lunacy and white genocide is a racist. Anyone who refuses South Africa refugees is a racist. Any non white in particular who endorses the SA genocide and guaranteed mass collapse of the SA food supply chain and economy is an enemy.

National should use this as a cultural wedge. National should establish a special Visa. See who opposes it, it would be very interesting. Fuck Winston Peters. Golriz will tell him to let the whites be slaughtered and the little bitch will bow down and say okay Golriz.

And Peter Dutton lost his leadership challenge. Australia is going to become Canada.

I have friends in South Africa on farms. If they die, i am going to maybe find it very hard to be a moderate, and i am going to start immoderating others.
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August 21, 2018 11:56am
- cmm
  
  Dude, it hasn’t just started. It has been going on for a long time and has just been ratcheted up a notch or three.
  
  Where are your friends? Different areas are more prone to this sort of business than others.
  
  The absolute worst is likely to be the Limpopo area (aka Northern Transvaal) because that is Ramaposa and Malema country.
  
  KwaZulu-Natal (Zulu country) is a lot less likely to suffer this (though things can change) and I do know a few farmers who were attacked/murdered in those areas.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:43pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Northern Transvaal and the Transvaal, and around Kruger National Park. Fuck it.
    
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    August 21, 2018 3:06pm
    - cmm
      
      Sorry mate. That’s probably the worst area for all this shit.
      
      That’s Malema and Ramaposa country.
      
      Malema and Ramaposa won’t try their shit out in KwaZulu Natal because:
      1) They are not Zulus and the Zulus won’t take any directions from a Venda.
      2)They want to take away the Zulu tribal lands and communise that. Good luck with that mate – 7 million Zulus say otherwise.
      
      The biggest chance for civil war is not blacks vs whites – it is Zulus (and anyone that sides with them) vs anyone who wants to stand against them.
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:17pm
- VicParking
  
  Send Golriz over to defend them. She could sail over with Marama on the good ship Cunt
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:44pm
Monique Watson

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2rmfpi

Alright everybody it’s shearing time.
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August 21, 2018 12:04pm
waikatogirl

Another nationwide strike with the Special Education teachers on strike today. Dear, dear Cindy, what happened to no nationwide strikes promised during the election campaign with you saying “not on my watch”. How many nationwide strikes is that in the last few weeks.
Fail again.
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August 21, 2018 12:06pm
- Inandout
  
  Jacinda meant the next CoL, not this one.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:58pm
sooty

How many bikes does JAG own?
Does she borrow one everytime for a photo shoot?
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August 21, 2018 12:13pm
- cmm
  
  You will also notice that they are always in showroom condition.
  
  No wear on the tyres. None of that grime bikes get from normal use. No scuff marks on those pristine white-wall tyres even after she’s had the bike a year or more. Makes you wonder…
  
  No lights, so clearly only goes out in photo-op weather. Hardly a bike commuter!
  
  I had a white bike when I lived in Auckland (and actually rode to work). It was grey within a week and was a bugger to get clean so I just gave up.
  
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  August 21, 2018 12:32pm
igm

Why are MSM able to suppress news that is of national interest?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV76Tn13ieE
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August 21, 2018 12:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Because it may upset those wallies who marched against the 1981 Tour. They want to close their senses to what they have unleashed in SA.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:57pm
  - igm
    
    Where is that dirtbag Minto, and Trevor Richards? Also the likes of Laidlaw and his band of sycophants.
    
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    August 21, 2018 4:06pm
    - Komata
      
      Igm: Where? Still disapproving, as Minto for one thinks that Mandela didn’t go far enough, and that SA should have become a totally communist country. He has never forgiven the ‘Failure’. You are unlikely to hear any comment from him!
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:53pm
VicParking

“New Zealand’s incarceration rate is second to the United States among comparable western countries.” says Cindy. Well if she had a quiet word to Kelvin and told him to get Ngāpuhi in order it would drop by 50%…….sic
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August 21, 2018 1:40pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Māori 4,391, 51%
  European 2,835 33%
  Pacific peoples 1,006 12%
  Asian 235 3%
  
  Incarceration rates in NZ for non-polynesians at around the 80/100000 are pretty normal by international standards. Maori at 10x that rate and P.I need to sort their shit out.
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:43pm
- Piniwi
  
  Gotta laugh though VP when this is the big headline : “Jacinda Ardern wants ‘heavily politicised’ justice system based more on evidence than public reaction to crimes”. If the weight of evidence was given more significance resulting in a sentence that is not the barest minimum every-time there would be a lot less public reaction. There is substantial need for concern of what might be the outcome of the judicial review after being so preconditioned as the Media party lend their weight to it.
  The indisputable element those OECD countries who we top in incarcerations do not have the same problem NZ has with so many natives struggling that their major ethnic content is not native. It is the only thing we see where the majority take the top prize and all the best cell beds.
  
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  August 21, 2018 3:40pm
Odakyu-sen

There was an article in this morning’s Herald website about shots being fired at surfers in the water near a spit several km down the coast from Kawhia.
The Herald didn’t say who the shooter might be, but stated that it was someone local, who had a very strong sense of “this is our land and sea coast” and would think nothing of killing someone over this belief.
Who in this day and age would harbor such feelings and what kind of a community would encourage such a mindset?

Any guesses?
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August 21, 2018 1:45pm
- Inandout
  
  You can lay the blame for this entirely at John Key’s feet. He opened the box that Helen had wisely closed.
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:53pm
  - GoVege
    
    We should be grateful it’s not our entire coastline we are banned from accessing.
    During the election debates I’m sure Marama Fox was saying all of Aotearoa belonged to Maori.
    
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    August 21, 2018 6:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well perhaps the Waitomo Iwi liason officer might figure it out.
  Police were continuing to investigate Thursday’s shooting and police and the Waitomo iwi liaison officer planned to meet with locals later this week.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12110286
  
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  August 21, 2018 1:54pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha people are shot at and the ‘Iwi Liaison’ Officer might get round to doing something later in the week!
    He probably has a few free feeds at the Marae scheduled that can’t wait…
    
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    August 21, 2018 1:57pm
  - Inandout
    
    Marae justice in full view. This is undoubtedly what Chester thinks is better than prison.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:43pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe they could check these fellows out for further information. Maybe they know the shooters?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12110778
    
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    August 21, 2018 3:09pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Relax chaps, Eleanor in DUNEDIN has sorted this little contretemps out for us… it’s just a case of localism.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/21/trio-shot-at-while-surfing-at-remote-invitation-only-new-zealand-beach
    
    “We all have rights to areas of our coastline – there are people who really care for their land and keep it as is” .
    
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    August 21, 2018 3:45pm
- Morrissey
  
  Pakeha settlers who support the National Party.
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:05pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The shooter is highly likely to also be a descendant of european settlers but given the murderous intent, then most likely a Liarbour or Gunt voter.
    
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    August 21, 2018 2:50pm
Morrissey

Filthy Feedlots join Dirty Dairying in our national Hall of Shame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okf0JcFhriU
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August 21, 2018 2:24pm
- rangitoto
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:49pm
Morrissey

Murdoch rags are nothing more than a factory of lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSt3F9XGw9w&t=42s
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August 21, 2018 2:31pm
rangitoto

Kiwis fleeing Taxinda Tyranny on the rise.
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August 21, 2018 2:43pm
- DigNap15
  
  Sadly many of the people leaving were not pizza delivery students.
  But it must be a message to the COL.
  People leave when we have a leftist govt and come here when National is in!
  
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  August 21, 2018 4:38pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Megan three pies has announced that the Govt. will pick up the bill for the uninsured properties in the Chch red zone.
So what’s the point in paying for insurance when the poor old taxpayer is going to fork out?
Jesus Christ on a bike!
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August 21, 2018 2:49pm
- Piniwi
  
  But Captai not a bad deal to buy more votes for a modest $12 million. So now they are racing to bail out the uninsured and under-insured? How can that be when EQC is a set percentage?
  
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  August 21, 2018 3:45pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yep they may get a few votes from those affected but how may will they lose from the multitudes who have insurance which in the end gave them no advantage?
    
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    August 21, 2018 4:10pm
Inandout

If the next quake hits Wellington let’s hope the uninsured aren’t affected. Labour is quickly running out of other peoples’ money.
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August 21, 2018 2:59pm
- Piniwi
  
  Seems the have Inandout when we see the latest utterings from Chippy: “State Services Minister Chris Hipkins has announced he is putting “the brakes on the growth rate of chief executive pay” by removing the potential for them to receive a bonus of up to 15 percent for “exceptional performance”.
  We want a Public Service with an international reputation for excellence that is motivated by a spirit of service to the community,” Mr Hipkins said.
  The move, along with dialling back pay settings and appointing new CEOs on lower salaries, would reduce forecast spending by up to $4 million by 2021/2022, he said.
  State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes is responsible for setting the pay of most public sector chief executives.” Guess it explains the new medals they announced ahead of this latest cost cutting measure after no rise for MP’s. All conveniently held over for the recess and only surprised they did not wait until Friday PM.
  
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  August 21, 2018 3:51pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Well 4 million is a good start on the 20 billion hole.
    
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    August 21, 2018 3:58pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Why does this idiot think that new CEOs will accept lower salaries when they’re in an international market?
    And if there is no performance bonus they’ll just negotiate a bigger up-front salary.
    “Spirit of service to the community”. What a load of Socialist claptrap.
    
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    August 21, 2018 4:12pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Don’t you think people should serve the community, Cap’n?
      
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      August 21, 2018 4:51pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yep, so why doesn’t Chippy expect them to do it for nothing?
        Like John Key did.
        
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        August 21, 2018 5:21pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Key made his money by betting against the New Zealand dollar. Don’t try to make him look like some sort of moral exemplar: he’s the very opposite.
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:32pm
- igm
  
  Why is it these filthy fiscally illiterate scum can give taxpayers’ monies to leeches who waste their money on booze, drugs, and debauchery, not bothering to insure property because it will upset their wasteful living style.
  Time we had a decent look at these imcompetent unelected bastards as they are stuffing NZ good and proper.
  
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  August 21, 2018 4:02pm
  - Inandout
    
    igm, these leeches are their voter base, they need them so they buy them, and all their WINZ mates.
    
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    August 21, 2018 4:44pm
  - Morrissey
    
    leeches who waste their money on booze, drugs, and debauchery, not bothering to insure property because it will upset their wasteful living style. Time we had a decent look at these imcompetent unelected bastards
    
    I agree: that family—-Prince Harry especially—-should be stripped of their millions of taxpayer-supplied luxuries and forced to do good honest work.
    
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    August 21, 2018 7:35pm
DigNap15

I cannot believe that someone with a house does not insure it.
That should be the first priority before food, and power etc.

So what if someone’s house burns down?
Will the COl pay for that as well?
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August 21, 2018 4:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Obviously these idiots are rich enough not to have a mortgage.
  The bank won’t give you a mortgage unless the place is insured.
  So why do they need our help?
  
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  August 21, 2018 5:24pm
Nostradamus

From Starboard’s Maori in the News segment: Car club member says visiting Taharoa was frightening and intimidating

A club member, who did not want to be named, said about 10 classic cars and their owners were parked on the public road leading to the Taharoa Ironsands mine on April 7, reading a sign with the history of the town when two men approached and started swearing at them. The site is opposite the lookout.

“The next thing these Māori fellas come out with the guns and say ‘you better piss off, we will shoot the lot of you and wreck your cars’.”

The classic car club member said he then looked about 150m above him on the hill and saw a group of four men standing in the bush holding guns.

“We could see them with rifles or guns – it was hard to see from that range. They were really threatening saying, ‘get out of here, get out of here – we will smash your cars, we will shoot you. So we did what they said and shot through’.”

No time to negotiate a peace treaty then.

Who remembers the “Urewera four” – who were accused of being the ringleaders of the group that set up camps and engaged in “military-style” activities – training to kill for their cause of Maori governance of the Tuhoe region?
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August 21, 2018 5:16pm
- itstricky
  
  Have you ever been a traditionally tattooed vigilante, living in the bush, undergoing military training while surviving solely on huhu grubs, all in the name of a co-ordinated effort to overthrow a fascist and controlling Government? If not, I’m not sure how you could possibly relate.
  
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  August 21, 2018 5:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Itstricky:
    
    Oh dear – are you still upset at my comment yesterday regarding Helen Clark? (This is now your third comment, I think, regarding that matter.)
    
    I agree that I wouldn’t relate well to Tame Iti, Emily Bailey, Te Rangikaiwhiria Kemara and Urs Signer. So I’ll defer to you in that respect. Maybe if you ask nicely, they’ll invite you to their next terrorist training camp?
    
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    August 21, 2018 5:37pm
    - itstricky
      
      This is now your third comment, I think, regarding that matter.
      
      Oh dear Nostradamus, can you not take a joke?
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:16pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”while surviving solely on huhu grubs”…..
    
    Nothing wrong with a huhu grub or six gently grilled on a shovel blade…..it’s the fern root for carbohydrate that kills the appetite!
    
    But I take issue with the suggestion that a “traditionally tattooed vigilante” would live in the bush with such a menu. Going by the pukus on most of them they’d be hard pushed to venture more than a few hundred metres from a KFC & a Bottle-O. 🙂
    
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    August 21, 2018 6:02pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      Going by the pukus on most of them
      
      They clearly haven’t heard that “a haka a day keeps the flab away”. Why have the kaumauta kept this knowledge to themselves?
      
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      August 21, 2018 6:24pm
      - stigie
        
        Gosh, you blokes know a lot of Maori protocol and language..?
        Im positividy impressed !~
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:13pm
      - nasska
        
        I don’t put down a bad hangi either stigie & I used to be able to hold a conversation in schoolyard Te Reo.
        
        It’s just that having Maori bullshit shoved down my throat at every turn gives me the screaming shits! 🙂
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:27pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Didn’t know there was a KFC at Taharoa or even a Bottle-o for that matter.
      
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      August 21, 2018 6:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  I found a story about the place. Trouble at mine.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/101385931/Taharoa-tensions-Community-fights-back-amid-claims-of-corporate-greed-at-mine
  
  Some interesting remarks in the comments section from one of the parties.
  
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  August 21, 2018 5:56pm
Jack5

Plans stall for tens of billions worth of China-backed infrastructure projects in Malaysia:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2160627/chinese-projects-will-not-go-mahathir-blasts-najibs
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August 21, 2018 6:00pm
nasska

Nostra.

Could you use your research skills to find the post where Graeme Edgeler & David Garrett didn’t agree about people being sent to prison for simple ‘possession’ of marijuana. Sometime this year I think.

Predictably, given his gifts of knowledge & recollection, Graeme prevailed & he cited several instances. I note that some of the more deranged religio/conservatives are backing out of the woodwork & I’d like to enlighten them.

Thanks
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August 21, 2018 6:35pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Here you go old chap:
  
  David Garrett: I don’t have a spare hundy at the minute Graeme, but I challenge you to produce ONE inmate who was locked up since 2008 for possession alone…NOT cultivation, that’s often a precursor to possession for s.
  
  Graeme Edgeler: Happy to claim the $100 whenever you have it spare.
  
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  August 21, 2018 6:42pm
  - nasska
    
    From Graeme’s 10.30pm:
    
    …..”I have five years of data (2009-2013). In 2013, there were five people imprisoned for possession of cannabis implements, where that charge was the only charge they faced, one person was imprisoned for possession of cannabis oil where that was the only charge they faced, and 11 people were imprisoned for possession of cannabis plant material where that was the only charge they faced.”……
    
    You beauty! 🙂
    
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    August 21, 2018 6:52pm
    - Longknives
      
      Possession for Supply?
      
      And what was their Criminal History? They may have been on their ‘last legs’ with the Courts (Hundreds of previous) so to speak…
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:05pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Possession for Supply?”…..
        
        Possible but I reckon Graeme would have qualified his comment had that been the case. This was the challenge:
        
        ….”I challenge you to produce ONE inmate who was locked up since 2008 for possession alone…NOT cultivation, that’s often a precursor to possession for supply.”….
        
        From memory David G was sent a copy of of the OIA request. If he’s following this thread he may like to confirm.
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:17pm
      - Longknives
        
        My point being there is a massive difference between Possession for Supply and Possession..
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:28pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”there is a massive difference between Possession for Supply and Possession”….
        
        In penalty….definitely, yet the charge is laid according to the weight. Plus or minus 28g.
        
        I’ve known people who smoked a couple of ounces a week.
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:38pm
      - Longknives
        
        “I’ve known people who smoked a couple of ounces a week.”
        
        Ha Ha Yeah- And I bet they just happened to be unlucky enough to be driving round with hundreds of Ziplock bags and thousands of dollars cash when turned over by Police in their shitheap car…
        Those ‘Pigs’ hassling innocent Dope Smokers!…
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:50pm
      - nasska
        
        I’ve always stayed clear of people too close to gangs or organised crime…..they make dangerous company.
        
        But I’ve known a few growers over the years. Mostly small time selling any surplus to their mates. Only one got caught & that was with about a hundred plants under lights. He pleaded guilty & did a bit over three years at Rimutaka.
        
        For the average Kiwi smoker or grower “hundreds of Ziplock bags and thousands of dollars cash” ranks alongside the tales of the Brothers Grimm.
        
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        August 21, 2018 8:12pm
    - GoVege
      
      Nasska: then that was stupid unreasonable and a waste of taxpayer money to jail them.
      I couldn’t care less what some idiots choose to smoke.
      The only people who should be jailed are those who pose a danger to others.
      We’ve got plenty of them unfortunately.
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:12pm
      - nasska
        
        My stance exactly GoVege. Possession is a nuisance charge wielded by the police in much the same way as they used to use “drunk in a public place” or “drunk & disorderly”. Before that it was “having insufficient means of support”.
        
        There have always been a few police who would like everyone to have a criminal record. Much easier to keep tabs on them then.
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:21pm
GoVege

Gang warfare down the line in the Dame’s ‘hood.
Surely she can use some of that mana and talk her people into behaving like adults.
And maybe even into holding down jobs instead of playing cops and robbers.
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August 21, 2018 6:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder if any one has ever added up how many folks have lost their lives through Gang confrontations in NZ.
  
  Can’t see that they are very effective with improving the lives of their whanau.
  
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  August 21, 2018 6:47pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggy: Here are the sentencing notes for the first third striker actually required to serve his seven year sentence in full for aggravated wounding…No doubt it will be appealed.
    
    No…I cant attach them…Dunno why. I will e-mail them to you.
    
    Note how the offenders father took part in the offenders first strike offence, a severe beating involving weapons. So much for the much vaunted whanau and their supposed influence.
    
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    August 21, 2018 6:51pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ta,
      
      But Andy is going to sort these young lads out..
      
      He wants to deal with the factors, the causes, the underlying issues. He believes broken lives can be fixed.
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/20-08-2018/it-clearly-isnt-working-andrew-little-on-his-crusade-to-reform-criminal-justice/
      
      I s’pose Andy could just stroll down to the local gang pad and tell Dad to read his son a story and tuck him up tight in beddy-byes before he goes out stomping on other chaps’ heads and smashing them around the face with fence palings.
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:10pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Is that “third striker” a current or former ACT member of parliament?
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I see Hayze is a graduate of my old primary school -Castlecliff School.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11948426
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:31pm
    - lcmortensen
      
      Name one change to the criminal law that has not been tested in an appeal court on its first use. They have to make sure the Is are dotted and the Ts are crossed.
      
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      August 22, 2018 2:25am
- Nostradamus
  
  GoVege:
  
  playing cops and robbers
  
  I must admit that “‘you better piss off, we will shoot the lot of you and wreck your cars” didn’t sound like a good cop-bad cop strategy, but I suppose it’s possible!
  
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  August 21, 2018 6:48pm
  - GoVege
    
    I was referring to the gang shooting in Wanganui, Nostra.
    Maybe the dame is too busy talking to her river….
    
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    August 21, 2018 7:01pm
UpandComer

Lol the Clintons have murdered yet another ex law enforcement individual investigating their child sex crimes. This one was so blatant its even being run on One America News.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kgK_0Ga1Tpg

They were also involved in the New Mexico compound were Linda Sarsour’s Imam’s son ritually satanically sacrificed his 3 year old son and was training kidnapped children for school shootings.

Ita going to be good when they’re in Guantanamo. No this isnt fake news.
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August 21, 2018 6:42pm
David Garrett

…and in the Supreme Idiot comment of the day, some no doubt patched thug attending the governments “Justice Summit” at taxpayer expense, apparently yelled out; “why are gang members always the bad guys?”

Ah…could it be because of behaviour like this??

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106433120/police-respond-to-incident-in-whanganui?cid=app-iPhone
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August 21, 2018 6:47pm
- Longknives
  
  Because Gang Members ARE the bad guys.
  
  Anyone care to argue?..
  
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  August 21, 2018 7:02pm
  - GoVege
    
    True, but they’re also little lost boys underneath the swagger.
    Victims of their culture’s immaturity and chauvinism that destroys many of their peoples’ chances for decent happy productive successful lives.
    
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    August 21, 2018 7:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      they’re also little lost boys underneath the swagger.
      
      It would be more accurate to describe them as highly manipulative, bully-boy operators.
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:22pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Vege: Many will be surprised that I agree at least partly with you…this third striker sentenced to seven years without parole today: he was smoking dope and meth at 12 FFS…what chance did the prick have? His father was his co-offender in his first strike offence, another aggravated wounding. He probably supplied his son with the dope and meth.
      
      I well remember seeing a clip on TV once, years ago, with a tattooed gang member – I cant remember which particular band of scum it was – yelling “BE STAUNCH!” at his terrified little son aged about six or seven…the boy was shaking and crying for some reason…
      
      A perfect example – as perhaps is Hayze Waitokia – of the Jesuits’ dictum “give me a boy until he is seven and I will show you the man”.
      
      In that very narrow sense, I guess they are victims too…
      
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      August 21, 2018 7:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        David: Makes you wonder how they might have turned out if they’d had a halfway decent upbringing.
        I used to have a lovely Maori neighbour who often told me what his cuzzies were up to: pimping their young daughters out, teaching the kids to commit burglaries.
        One of these women had 11 kids…
        The first few guys shot through, after molesting the girls.
        Then mum joins a gang and the professionals start “guiding” their kids.
        And all this is financed by the decent hard-working taxpayers.
        But do you ever once hear a Maori leader talk about it?
        
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        August 21, 2018 7:35pm
UpandComer

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-recruitment-problem-the-military-doesnt-want-to-talk-about/

Lol of 30 million 17-24 year olds eligible for the armed forces in the US only 750k meet the bare minimum requirements in numeracy, literacy, fitness, BMI, clean criminal record and understanding English. 71% of enlistees have to be rejected becasue they cant read, or write, or speak English or are obese.

Thats Obama’s diverse America. Guess the ethnic composition of the soldiers fit for duty. We’re in late late Rome.
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August 21, 2018 7:07pm
UpandComer

The left are literally destroying civilization. I don’t believe the next 10 years are going to avoid some form of major wars. They will never ever change. Like a crack addict who knows they are self harming but won’t stop. You have to take away the crack pipe by force. We are simply gettimg to the point where asking to put it down while they hold a gas cylinder and a lit lighter in the other hand is untenable.
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August 21, 2018 7:25pm
noskire

Actually, this isn’t too bad for Jono and Ben https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lROiXTGvrng
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August 21, 2018 7:28pm
- Morrissey
  
  It’s brilliant! Tammy Davis perfectly captures the dimness of Simon Bridges, and Jono’s Gareth Morgan is just right.
  
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  August 22, 2018 10:05am
UpandComer

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article217035815.html

Another desecrated statue. Cultural revolution in America. How long until they start destroying statues of the Anzacs in Australia? What do fake Australians like Chinese and muslims care about statues of evil colonising Ottoman empire invading white male oppressors? You will see it in your lifetime. In Canada they’re already changing the names of cities to the names of Pakistani Prime Ministers and ancient Chinese noblemen.
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August 21, 2018 7:33pm
Fletch

I might ask this again in tomorrow’s GD when more people are reading, but I have to ask now –

It’s National Poetry Day in a few days, and I’ve seen some of the stuff that the organizers of the day have put up, but it leaves me cold, eg –

https://www.facebook.com/PosterPoem/photos/a.120633531298719/2251921204836597/?type=3&theater

Does anybody think that is any good? Or is it just me? They seem to have a lot of Maori-influenced stuff also. I’m sorry but it leaves me cold.
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August 21, 2018 7:34pm
- nasska
  
  Too right Fletch. Most of their shit doesn’t rhyme anyway. Not like real poetry: ?
  
  Little Bo-Peep had lost her sheep,
  She phoned up Georgie Porgie,
  He’d just ate his pie & said with a cry,
  Ask Johnboy, he’s having an orgy.
  
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  August 21, 2018 7:50pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Dad and Big Bruv went out on a date
    When it got late
    Things became a bit flirty
    And then slightly dirty
    One of them began to masturbate
    The other refused to reciprocate
    After much teeth gnashing
    And furniture smashing
    Dad made off in Richie’s glider
    And Big Bruv became the “outsider”
    So those legendary tales
    About missing emails
    Long part of Kiwiblog history
    Remain to this day a mystery.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:11pm
    - nasska
      
      Beautiful Nostra! Just beautiful! 🙂
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can see the poem more clearly here:
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/08-12-2017/the-friday-poem-to-the-trees-of-summer-by-marty-smith/
  
  Apart from my general view that poetry is a massive con-job…
  I’d have to say that I have read worse ones than this.
  
  A line or 2 are passable:
  “when we watch the hot wind parch the grass
  to gasping”
  
  I tried reading the poem backwards…. it nearly works.
  
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  August 21, 2018 7:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yes, someone has posted an image of the poem in the comments also. I know poems don’t have to rhyme but, as I said, the stuff leaves me cold.
    
    There’s a woman here reading a couple of her poems also –
    
    https://www.facebook.com/NZPoetryDay/videos/518494721908288/
    
    More indigenous stuff that doesn’t do much for me either.
    
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    August 21, 2018 8:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Then ignore it.
      
      I’m sure poetry is only produced to torture children in English lessons.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Fletch looks for material – news articles, things on TV, now modern poetry – to complain about.
        
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        August 21, 2018 8:13pm
      - Fletch
        
        Fletch looks for material – news articles, things on TV, now modern poetry – to complain about.
        
        Nah, it’s because I somewhat enjoy good poetry and was somewhat depressed about what is seen as good nowadays. It seems the humanities are dying or dead…
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:13pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perhaps Fletch is looking for a post-colonial twist on older stuff:
      
      When Tom and Elizabeth took the farm
      The tangata whenua fled
      And quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
      The magpies said.
      
      Tom’s hand was strong to the plough
      The Maori’s claims were dead
      And quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
      The magpies said.
      
      Year in year out they worked
      While the Maoris got drunk in the shed
      And quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
      The magpies said.
      
      Elizabeth is dead now (it’s years ago)
      Koro Tom read te Tiriti in bed
      And quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
      The magpies said.
      
      The whenua’s still there, part of a treaty
      Settlement they say
      And quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
      The magpies say.
      
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      August 21, 2018 8:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s not really in Nostradamus ‘ or Nasska’s class is it?
        
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        August 21, 2018 8:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It was for Fletch, who seemed to be pining for the classics.
        
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        August 21, 2018 8:31pm
      - Fletch
        
        Oh god, look what I’ve started! lol
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is telling…
A talk-fest on NZ’s Criminal Justice System…..
and where are the Maori?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12111005
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August 21, 2018 7:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes you’d think Labour would have appointed a few more Maori to the committee.
  
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  August 22, 2018 6:51am
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 40: Asia Argento

…. Police are looking into sexual assault allegations by a young actor against Italian actor Asia Argento — one of the most prominent activists of the#MeToo movement.

Captain Darren Harris from the Los Angeles County sheriff’s department said investigators will seek to talk to Jimmy Bennett or his representatives about the alleged incident at a Southern California hotel in 2013, when Bennett was 17. The move comes in response to a New York Times story alleging Argento settled a legal notice of intent to sue filed by Bennett for $380,000 shortly after she said in October last year that Harvey Weinstein raped her.
Argento and Bennett co-starred in a 2004 film called The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things in which Argento played Bennett’s prostitute mother.
Bennett said in the notice that he had sex with Argento in the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Marina del Rey, California, in 2013. The age of consent in California is 18. The notice claimed the encounter traumatised Bennett and hurt his career, the Times reported. Investigators have learned no police report was filed at the time, Harris said.

The newspaper said it received court documents that included a selfie of Argento and Bennett in bed. Three people familiar with the case said the documents were authentic, the Times reported.
…..
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/21/asia-argento-police-investigate-sexual-assault-claim-against-actor

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08/20/what-did-anthony-bourdain-know-sexual-assault-allegations-against-asia-argento/

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

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August 21, 2018 7:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Morrissey:
  
  How’s your write-up of the Labour Party “youth camp” groper coming along?
  
  A Young Labour supporter has been barred from future events after allegations a 20-year-old man sexually assaulted four teenagers, all aged 16, including putting his hands down the pants of at least three of them.
  
  Sounds like groper material?
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:51pm
fernglas

On homelessness in Auckland:

“Auckland Council staff were now working to “identify options for homelessness support services which build on and strengthen those already provided”.

“Our investigations will involve reviewing the evidence and consulting with key stakeholders to develop options for effective interventions which the Auckland City Centre Advisory Board can consider,” Bodman said.

Impotence, incompetence or indifference? When will these elected bodies actually fucking do something rather than sit around and talk about it?
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August 21, 2018 7:50pm
- rangitoto
  
  Well eleven isn’t going to make much difference. Probably had a records as long as your arm in any case,
  
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  August 21, 2018 8:48pm
Monique Watson

Wisdom from Al Bundy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgDtgyzVZYk
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August 21, 2018 8:28pm
- Fletch
  
  Gawd, my brother and I used to love watching this show back in the day… 😛
  I think they’ve been playing it in the afternoons on one of the TV stations.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:27pm
nasska

I’ve been trespassed from my local chemist. All I said to the assistant was, “Do you swallow or take it up the arse?”

How the fuck did I know what to do with those suppository thingies?
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August 21, 2018 8:43pm
Morrissey

Howler of the Day
No. 4: UpandComer

…the Clintons have murdered yet another ex law enforcement individual investigating their child sex crimes. … They were also involved in the New Mexico compound were Linda Sarsour’s Imam’s son ritually satanically sacrificed his 3 year old son and was training kidnapped children for school shootings. Its going to be good when they’re in Guantanamo. No this isnt fake news.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/general_debate_21_august_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2287801

Howler of the Day is a series designed to highlight the most deranged, crazed, bizarre, paranoid, stupid, mindless, ignorant posts on the Internet. It is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports, Inc.

No. 1: Chris R (“Brash is NOT a bigot”) ; No. 2: Lucia Maria (“No need to read”); No. 3: DigNap15 (“Trump comes across as a very caring guy”)
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August 21, 2018 8:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps resident archivist Nostradamus could pull up Ugly Truth’s assertions from a few years ago, when he claimed that Queen Elizabeth personally ate several Canadian school children in the 1960s.
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Were they particularly small children?
    Seems quite greedy to consume more than 1 child at a sitting.
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:20pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    As requested by Mikenmild – the UglyTruth files:
    
    Uglytruth: The man who claimed to witness “the abduction of ten fellow residential school children by the Queen of England and her husband in October, 1964 at the Catholic school in Kamloops, B.C. has died suddenly
    
    “William Combes, age 59 and in good health, was scheduled to be a primary witness at the opening session of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) on September 12 in London … After awhile, I saw the Queen leave the picnic with ten children from the school, and those kids never returned.”
    
    Grant: Are you seriously suggesting that you believe that Queen Elizabeth personally murdered ten children? Really? So what did she do UT? Whip out her Glock and do them NKVD style? Or did she drop her stockings and strangle them with those?
    
    Uglytruth: It would be consistent with the genocide that continued under her watch and with her family’s associations with paedophiles Jimmy Savile, Loius “Dickie” Mountbatten and George Mountbatten
    
    Grant So you do think that she personally killed them then UT? Yes or No?
    
    Uglytruth: I don’t know. Her husband has made some seriously racist and anti-life statements, and the Windsor family history makes for some grim reading. Her involvement with the genocide of these people and the testimony of the witness who named her and her husband makes for a reasonable prima facie case against them.
    
    So there you have it – “a reasonable prima facie case”. Case closed. Next!
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Thanks, Nostra. It’s all coming back now. Actually, after a bit of toing and froing, Ugly Truth was big enough to admit that the ‘International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State’ was not a valid organ of the international justice system (it’s one crank’s blog).
      
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      August 21, 2018 9:33pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    I forgot this unsourced claim from Judith:
    
    Queen Elizabeth I was recorded as having people killed so she could drink their blood – which they presume made her feel better because she was suffering from iron deficiency.
    
    Now that was a surprise to many of us!
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:35pm
- UpandComer
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-16/new-mexico-jihad-compound-mysteriously-destroyed-authorities
  
  Id already linked to the story.
  
  Wow you’re a veritable Snopes.
  
  You should join bluebeam
  
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  August 21, 2018 10:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Indonesia’s top Islamic body issues fatwa against measles vaccine, calling it ‘religiously forbidden’

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-21/indonesia-vaccines-measles-fatwa-issued-by-mui/10147040
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August 21, 2018 9:23pm
- David Garrett
  
  maggy: Well that just goes to show the Imam’s make at least some good decisions…
  
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  August 21, 2018 9:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s a terrible thing to think…
    All the Papuans who won’t get vaccinated now…
    Over 100 dead earlier this year from a Measles outbreak.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/348629/100-feared-dead-in-papua-measles-outbreak
    
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    August 21, 2018 9:39pm
  - fernglas
    
    David Garrett
    
    Are you anti-vaccine or anti-Indonesians?
    
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    August 21, 2018 11:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Probably both. There is a very strong streak of misanthropism about Mr Garrett.
      
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      August 22, 2018 6:43am
Monique Watson

I’m a fan of Simon Bridges but I believe it takes a woman to take the helm. If facing off another woman. Judith Collins, please do the numbers.
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August 22, 2018 12:30am
- softail 1450
  
  M W, unfortunately Judith isn’t liked as much as we might think in that national caucus, there are quite a number of Collins haters who would make her selection as leader “difficult” at best.
  
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  August 22, 2018 6:57am
softail 1450

If you want to see “fake news” in the making just watch Jack Lame interviewing Rebecca Wrong on tv1, what a joke…..
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