General Debate 20 August 2018

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duggledog

Ha ha shit for brains Green Party’s latest edict is to charge even more for dumping rubbish. What did we think they would do? Tax, charge, levy.

Here’s how that little policy will play out.

Yet more illegal dumping coming to your street in the near future – old TVs, couches, and of course rubber tyres.

In the old days Council run rubbish dumps were cheap as the costs came out of the rates bill.

Then the devious little bean counters realized they could keep the rates the same but start charging small fees for the domestic trailer. Those small fees have become extortionate.

So some bogan wants to get rid of the old couch, chuck it on the trailer, drive to the nearest quiet country lane late at night, heave it off, go to the bottle – o and use the money saved on a coupla slabs instead.

Here’s the best part.

Your rates pay for the Council boys to pick that couch up, and it costs many multiples of the original dumping fee.

In this way, whole economies become ruined.

Prediction of the Day:

Genter’s child will be given a Maori name. Very fashionable.
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August 20, 2018 8:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  When I buy tyres for my car, there is a line for the disposal of the tyre that is coming off or for when the new tyre reaches the end of its life.
  
  Is this going to be a new additional charge for the disposal, is the existing charge going to be increased or has no member of this tentacle of the CoL ever paid for a tyre?
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:09am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Stossel did a piece on rubbish on Fox News, apparently all the world’s rubbish for the next 1000 years could fit on a 15 sq mile dump.
    
    The idea that there should be some special process for getting rid of tires is ridiculous. They were made with petrochemical from the ground they can go back in to the ground.
    
    Just another attack on the automobile user. I wish national would have 1 mp who was pro cars. When was the last time we had a pro car person for MOT. As far as I am concerned if this is the collective attitude of Parliament, if they all hate cars then Seymour is right, they should drive around in used Priuses! And where possible catch buses and shit…
    
    I bet with this attitude they don’t even appreciate their BMWs
    
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    August 20, 2018 11:58am
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes a dump like in Syria or Afghanistan or Mali.
      
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      August 20, 2018 5:29pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        No just 15 sq miles anywhere. Doesn’t need to be in any specific country. Infact shipping it half way round the world is pretty stupid. Hugely wasteful.
        
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        August 20, 2018 5:38pm
- VicParking
  
  If a boy it will be called ‘Donald John’ and if a girl ‘Ivanka Marie’.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:31am
  - calendar girl
    
    Just as it should be with a USA-born mother! But maybe a daughter would be called something like Cheyenne, Pocahontas or Sequoia.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:39am
    - pdm
      
      Why not Melania Michelle?
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:44am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Out in our rural feraltopia we have some bins for locals to use. From town it is a 80km round trip. People drive out from town to dump all their shit in the bins which the day after they are emptied are full again. Started with one bin and now there are four and a big sign saying “for locals only”. Now they don’t even bother putting their rubbish into the bins – it is just chucked around them. Old fridges and stoves, old couches, tyres and household refuse is making our area into an open air dump.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:37am
- Harkman
  
  Duggledog, a few years back I happened across an amazing statistic, for 20 year up to 1990 the manufacturing sectors in Britain, France and Germany grew 2-4% pa then they agreed to reduce emissions and growth in these sectors since has been 0-1% pa. So much for the “Green economy.”
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:14am
- redeye
  
  We get no council rubbish removal where I live. My wife mulches, and we burn the paper & wood type rubbish. We then pay a contractor to collect the rest once a month. In a covered bin he supplies.
  Our extreme left wing neighbors, who regularly campaign against anything that their cult determines might affect the environment, just burn theirs. And that includes plastic, cloth, glass, tin cans and some other very chemically smelling substance.
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:15pm
Manolo

WTF? 😀
https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_f92b64b0-a27a-11e8-acc8-3370f562b4e6.html

It wasn’t the preseason game the Saints were about to play against Arizona that worried her — the dance instructor hardly watches football. What mattered to her was how her son, Jesse, would fare in his debut as the first-ever male member of the Saintsations, New Orleans’ NFL dance team.
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August 20, 2018 8:01am
- Colville
  
  Wow that lad would have a time in the post match locker room !
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:36am
Andrei

Why is there a wailing and gnashing of teeth in Foggy Bottom?

So just who is Karin Kneissl?

And look who was guest of honour at her wedding.
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August 20, 2018 8:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  Do you really want answers? Or can you answer why the other member of the Putin fan club from NZ (maybe he couldnt arrange a kapahaka toupe) wasn’t also invited to dance with the bride?
  
  Putin is a dangerous antidemocratic KGB thug in control of Russian resources.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:15am
  - Andrei
    
    I love the sound of exploding heads in the morning
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:28am
waikatogirl

The TOP party has been resurrected with Geoff Symonds, the deputy under Gareth Morgan stepping up as the new leader. Mr Symonds says there are so many things needing attending to, the environment, services and the economy. Simon Bridges says there has been no discussion with the new leader but he sees TOP as a centrist party and a potential future partner for National.
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August 20, 2018 8:03am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Gareth Morgan won’t be able to help himself and will still open his mouth and ruin it for TOP.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:07am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Of course Gareth will be involved, that man doesn’t know when to stop talking. Is Gareth still funding TOP?
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:13am
    - cmm
      
      Yup he must be involved.
      
      The TOP brand is so tainted with Morgan that nobody else would touch it.
      
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      August 20, 2018 8:17am
    - Harkman
      
      Gareth certainly has a high opinion of himself. Remember Bob Jones’s offer to build a 5000m high statue to Morgan?
      
      https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/bob-jones-offers-build-5000m-high-statue-gareth-morgan-ck-185188
      
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      August 20, 2018 9:19am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Offer it to the goofy for Bastion point, if that doesn’t move Auckland up the most desirable city in the world to live table, nothing will
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:34am
- VicParking
  
  I here he is over in Italy to see how real governments opperate.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:33am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Mussolini made the trains run on time, how did it end for him?
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:36am
    - VicParking
      
      He found an alternative use for a lamp post
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:27am
    - MH
      
      a bridge too long and far.
      
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      August 20, 2018 2:59pm
- srylands
  
  Simmons
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:45am
- starboard
  
  Who is Simon Bridges?
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:21am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Wow, does our future dictator not realise 50% of GDP is state/local government spending, and they don’t have any money other than Taxpayer money, even if they print/borrow it they are still purchasing goods out of the same pool of national output, money printing and borrowing doesn’t increase output so ultimately the tax payer still pays…
  
  What does the future dictator think the effective tax rate should be 60, 70, 90% ??? It’s amazing how left national has become, they should either rebrand the party as a socialist big government party or go back to its roots and draw a line in the sand of total government spending, including local, SOE and ‘investment’ as a percentage of GDP… Somewhere with of 50% would be nice..
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:10pm
secondcumming

We stayed up a bit later than usual last nite to watch Q&A.

I thought Andrew Little made one of the most cogent arguments ever for the return of the death penalty.

During the panel discussion, my missus (also an acute political observer), wondered “Why on earth a natural blonde like Marama Davidson would want to dye her roots black?”
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August 20, 2018 8:07am
- Dave Mann
  
  I saw a bit of Q&A recently because I record the Cold Case program which comes before it and I recorded some to see what it’s is like.
  
  I couldn’t believe that stupid presenter who just stands there shouting inanities at the camera while making random unconnected hand gestures. The content seemed to have the depth and interest level of a puddle of piss.
  
  Is this the standard of political/current affairs programming in NZ? No wonder the MSM is distrusted and ridiculed by intelligent people.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:25am
Nukuleka

Kelvin Davis on RNZ tells us that half the Maori prison population is from his tribe Ngapui which must be the most incarcerated tribe in the world. It seems that ‘we’, that is NZers, are therefore obliged to do something to alter this. Mr Davis, the buck stops with you and the members of your tribe. Don’t involve me in your plans for changing these statistics. Stop criminal offending and you won’t end up before the courts and in prison.
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August 20, 2018 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  It takes an awful lot of convictions in NZ before you get sent to the pokey ( on averages).
  
  They are being given every chance by honkey to stay out of prison.
  
  That’s what the media and pollies need to bang on about.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:11am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Yes. And yet every story about prisons keeps peddling the lie that it turns people who’ve made a mistake or two into hardened criminals.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:46am
  - Longknives
    
    Naah
    Jacinda said there are people in Prison for merely smoking a joint…
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:11am
    - Lance
      
      Or not having a driving license… honest 😛
      
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      August 20, 2018 9:18am
  - Positan
    
    I heard Nick Smith say that the average number of prosecutions of those in jail was about 83.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:59am
  - Paulus
    
    I believe that to be in prison a person will have on average eleven convictions first.
    
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    August 20, 2018 1:59pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Nukuleka, I heard the same and thought the same. Then I had another thought and realised where Kelvin has been hiding himself of late. He’s been with his bros!
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:19am
- VicParking
  
  Do something instead of driving past in your fleet of BMW’s
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:35am
- KevOB
  
  The concentration speaks of a genetic underpinning and cultural reinforcement. ~~Once were~~ still are warriors. Nga Puhi have a long history–Boyd massacre.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:16am
  - GoVege
    
    Kev, that could be part of it.
    But Ngapuhi were the tribe that obtained muskets and went on a rampage slaughtering thousands of other Maori in the 1830s.
    That would be the reason they outnumber other tribes surely.
    One day, when Maori have finished bleeding Pakeha white for land theft, they will go after other tribes for mass murder.
    
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    August 20, 2018 11:12am
    - starboard
      
      “Farmer challenge on race-based policy welcomed
      The Waikato Regional Council is set to defend a complaint laid with the Human Rights Commission alleging its controversial Plan Change 1 aimed at improving water quality gives iwi special treatment.
      
      A North Waikato land owner has complained about Policy 16 of the plan which he claims would allow iwi to develop land and change the land use when other cultures with similar land are denied that right.
      
      By the end of June, the project had cost up to $19.3 million and council has approved further funding in its long-term plan of up to $9 million. Submissions on the plan are due to be heard by a panel of five independent commissioners later this year.
      
      We applaud land owners sticking up for their rights, especially when race-based policy is about to put them at a disadvantage.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12106962
      
      Littlewood treaty talk in Rotorua
      For those of you living around Rotorua, amateur historian Carol Smyth will speak on the Littlewood treaty next Sunday, August 26, at 2pm, at Te Runanga Tea House.
      
      Carol said she was instantly hooked when she discovered there was a mismatch between the “official” English version of the Treaty of Waitangi and the original Te Tiriti in Maori.
      
      The document, which was written by British Resident James Busby and has only one word different from Te Tiriti, was found by the Littlewood family in Pukekohe in 1989, and is thought to be the lost final English language draft
      
      For many years it was on display with the original treaty text at Archives New Zealand in Wellington. Last year, it was excluded from the new He Tohu founding documents display with no reason given.
      
      Despite an official appraisal which said that the Littlewood treaty was either the lost final draft or a copy, policy makers have ignored the document.
      
      Tickets for next Sunday’s talk are $10 for members of Friends of Rotorua Museum and $15 for non-members.
      
      See https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/treaty_texts
      
      Ngai Tahu demand talks on fresh water
      Fallout from the Government’s decision to set up an alternative group with which to consult on fresh water issues continues, with Ngai Tahu now demanding direct engagement immediately with the Crown over water issues relating to most of the South Island.
      
      And it is throwing into question what “partnership” means in terms of the Crown’s engagement with Maori.
      
      The former Government consulted closely with the Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group on issues relating to freshwater.
      
      Three years ago, that group proposed a $1-billion “capacity building” fund plus tribal ownership of fresh water, of all Crown owned river and lake beds, and the water columns in each.
      
      It is reassuring to see caution by the Government on the claim for ownership of fresh water.
      
      It is also reassuring to see the assumption of treaty partnership in question.
      
      This is because there is no sign of any partnership in the Treaty of Waitangi, and the requirement for the Crown to act reasonably and in good faith should apply to all citizens, and not just one racially selected group.”
      
      Courtesy Hobsons Pledge
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:24am
AgainstTheFlow

Every Monday, I wake up and fearfully consider what the Point Chev Year 5 class has been writing to our Prime Minister.
What will be banned this week as a result?

Jacinda Adern – Prime Minister or primary teacher to the nation?
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August 20, 2018 8:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  PT Chev Year 5s, that’s a new description for the Red Melons then.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:21am
- RF
  
  Jeez.. please don’t wake up the beast…..
  
  I can just see Jethro pacing the floors in the castle suffering from media withdrawal as no one has mentioned his name for a week.
  
  I’m waiting for the news concerning him slipping his chain and being found in some neighbouring poodles back yard.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:28am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Duncan Garner today called Jethro a “hero” for being a stay-at-home dad so all will be well with the fisherman’s ego!
    
    You’re a hero too LKnives. ?
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:33am
    - Longknives
      
      Aaaw shucks!
      
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      August 20, 2018 9:07am
- stephieboy
  
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  AgainstTheFlow, what a miserable fear-ridden life you must lead.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:49am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    What did the psychiatrist diagnose you as?
    
    Genuine question.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:20am
- Longknives
  
  My money is on a ‘Captain’s Call’ on Hate Speech…
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:12am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Pregnancy warning labels on booze bottles?
    
    Tracy Allen’s banning internet porn?
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:24am
kowtow

” Cultural appropriation” is another left wing control mechanism.

‘Ms Butler tweeted: ‘#jamieoliver @jamieoliver #jerk I’m just wondering do you know what #Jamaican #jerk actually is?

‘It’s not just a word you put before stuff to sell products. @levirootsmusic should do a masterclass. Your jerk Rice is not ok. This appropriation from Jamaica needs to stop’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6075597/Jamie-Oliver-accused-cultural-appropriation-Labour-MP.html
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August 20, 2018 8:16am
- cmm
  
  Sent from my Jamaican cellphone.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:20am
  - Swifty
    
    Touche.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:26am
Komata

ATF

A Comms Degree from UoW does NOT a teacher (of any shade) make…
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August 20, 2018 8:17am
Longknives

Joel Maxwell is spitting his weekly venom and vitriol at ‘Pakeha’ –

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/106355859/joel-maxwell-youre-never-too-old-to-become-a-better-you

In this weeks attack he makes the rather astonishing claim that Maori care more for their ‘Whanau’ and for their Old People than Pakeha! (Who apparently don’t care for much at all)

Well this ‘Pakeha’ (I detest that insulting term) will fight back this week-
Tell me Mr Maxwell- If Maori care so much for their children then why do they have such horrendous rates of infanticide?
To me they seem to be a culture who take great delight in torturing and killing their children (Hey- If it’s okay for Mr Maxwell to make insulting stereotypes…)
As for how they treat old people- I have spoken before of an Old Lady (in her 80s) I met who had her face shattered by a Mongrel Mob prospect chasing his Gang Patch.
I’ll never forget her telling me that she could hear them ‘laughing and barking’ at her as she lay on the pavement bleeding…

I rest my case.
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August 20, 2018 8:18am
- hullkiwi
  
  LK, I started reading your piece and thought do I need to throw up all the stats on Maori family violence, alcohol & drug abuse, the news articles on how Maori grandparents are having to look after their grandchildren because the parents of the grandchildren are smashed on P, or take him for a drive from Wellsford to Kaitaiha? His piece is just lazy opinion, not worthy of column inches.
  
  As a middle class white married man and father, thede types of articles ard offensive.
  
  Can I ask when an end is going to be put to this lazy left wing opinion writing in our MSM? On Saturday, Wilson had an equally turgid piece about Bridges. I know Rudman is left wing, but at least he is not lazy and does some research before publishing his opinions.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:45am
  - oldgolfer
    
    I think I mentioned here a few weeks ago that two people I know have cancelled their subscriptions after reading Maxwell’s shite. Another publishing masterstroke.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Maxwell has a hang-up because he’s a mix of white and Maori. Heaps of New Zealanders are and it doesn’t bother them. Some identify as white, some as Maori.
      
      Maxwell goes on and on and on about learning Maori language as an adult. You’d think he was the only adult in NZ learning a second language, and those teaching other tongues to thousands of pupils don’t get State subsidies.
      
      This was in Maxwell’s column today:
      
      ” … I have actually started understanding why it might be important to stand up and take my place in a world that runs, with my whakapapa, into the past, not just into the future.”
      
      Maori past runs back, what, 700 or 800 years? White Western civilisation goes back more than 3000 years to the “fertile crescent of the Middle East, then Greece then Rome.
      
      And what a past compared with that of Maori, who, when the whites colonised less than 200 years ago, hadn’t reached the stage of the wheel or written language, let alone use of metal.
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:36am
      - Longknives
        
        I hate the arrogant assumption that only Maori and Pacific people can take any pride in their History and Culture in NZ.
        I am very interested in History and am immensely proud of my Heritage- (Genealogy, Great family stories, Ancestors who fought in Wars etc)
        This fashion for sneering at New Zealanders of European descent is arrogant and insulting.
        My personal belief is that every person should be proud of their History and Culture! (In Left-Wing circles this makes me a ‘White Supremacist’ but hey…)
        
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        August 20, 2018 1:12pm
  - Prince
    
    It will end when you stop buying their newspapers
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:01pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      I don’t buy it and haven’t read the DomPost ever.
      
      I don’t buy the Horrid & I’ve even stopped reading it on line it is that bad.
      
      Even one of our local give a ways is suffering from lazy journalism. Mahurangi Matters (usually better than Fairfax’s Rodney Times) fell into the trap of regurgitating what a MP tells it without fact checking the story first.
      
      I am referring to last week’s piece on the front page of Marja Lubeck (Lab list Rodney) receiving gleefully a petition for the banning of conversion therapies on gays. The article stated that the petition containing 5157b& was organised by the Rodney LGBTQ group. The inference being the signatures were Rodney residents. But in fact that was b******t, because the signatures had been coklected from throughout NZ. To Lubeck, your piece that you or your agent fed to Mahurangi Matters was a shameful distortion of the truth in order to virtue signal something that should not even be on the political agenda.
      
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      August 20, 2018 4:36pm
- Inandout
  
  Joel is going down with his flagship, and the fact he actually gets his ideas to print shows how dire the DomPost’s culture is. The paper has been taken over almost entirely by the Left, and somehow the Saturday advertisers think they are reaching a large audience. Sorry guys, stick to flyers or email because other than being a fire lighter, newspapers are now in the domain of the retirees and rest homes.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:08am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Maxwell’s tedious self entitled offerings appear in the provincial paper here, too , InandOut – so it is syndicated.
    Another no-name being given the opportunity to bore us with his views. Don’t read it.
    
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    August 20, 2018 11:59am
  - Prince
    
    That’s insulting bullshit. Retirees have cancelled their subscriptions.
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:03pm
- kowtow
  
  Funny really.
  
  The Ngati Mamoe were wiped out by the invading Ngai Tahu.
  
  Is there some perverse irony in the descendants of the genocidal Ngai Tahu being given this spear , a possible trophy from that genocide ?
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/riverbank-spear-historical-find
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:09am
- Harkman
  
  The word Pakeha (which Android just turned into Oakham) is racist it means foreigner and maybe worse. Should be banned. It hurts my feelings, I’m offended.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:25am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Toughen up butter cup! Hurry feelings, like being racist, only goes one way, and, it is not yours!
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:40am
- Harkman
  
  Doping lefty Peter Linehan was pushing the Maori language line today as well.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:27am
- GoVege
  
  They only care about Maori old people.
  In other words…They’re RACIST!!!!
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:34am
oldpark

Notice the social engineering that cost Helen Clark’s Government the last time they ruled the roost. That was when they were planning to reduce the size of shower heads for fughs sake.
Now the same clap trap is back ,even worse . The Peters selected clap trap are now planning to make NZs life even more complicated.
Last week it was “Commie Chic Comrade”
Ardern announcing so called single use plastic bags would soon be eliminated from NZ.
Now the latest is charges at the tip face could go up to at least an extra $140 per tonne.
I heard the Green Party rat swallower on the Waka jumping Bill, James Shaw say this very day that NZs were getting “free” tip fees.
They were working on some more social engineering plans to make sure NZs “free” tip fees would in future cost money.
Last week it was an attack on” free” speech by the far left lunatics now the same Peters selected cabal are out to legislate for huge extra rubbish charges said by James Shaw to be “free”. All on top of many extra fees and charges enacted on NZs by Peters selections the Coalition of Corruption and Chaos.
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August 20, 2018 8:19am
- stephieboy
  
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  oldpark , just when will the altright ever manage to reach the 5% beyond their present 000.2%?
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:53am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Probably at about the same time that you grow a brain.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    F.O.C.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  This is green imposed taxes. What are they to be used for?
  
  Where’s the mandate for new taxes? Aren’t they on hold?
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:20am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s a levy! According to the COL a levy is NOT a tax. The English language begs to differ:
    
    impose (a tax, fee, or fine): a tax of two per cent was levied on all cargoes.
    • impose a tax, fee, or fine on: there will be powers to levy the owner.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:40am
  - KevOB
    
    Levy is the imposition of a tax. Taxes have historicity. Taxes were levied on travellers who had to pass through checkpoints. Goods had a portion taken on arrival.
    
    A tax by any other name is still a tax.
    In NZ by convention taxes require the mandate of the people at a general election.
    
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    August 20, 2018 10:13am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    That’s the point of socialism Kevin, the mandate is the will of the leadership and Central planning committees. The idea of socialism is only the people at the top get to make decisions and everyone else is a slave which has to follow their orders or else…
    
    The or else is go to prison, which in North Korea is also a death sentence… Speaking of death senteces expect their euthenenasia policy to come online soon. I am betting it will be just like Nazi Germany, 2 doctors to rule you incompetent followed quickly by a decision made on your account!
    
    Public healthcare for everyone! Too bad the goal of public healthcare is to create as many jobs for Labor supporters as possible and spend the least amount of money on actual healthcare. How much of the budget increase as of late has been pay rises vs service rises?
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:15pm
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  By free tip fees he probably means the government is not getting a cut (therefore the public/Councils/Private businesses are getting it for free) and will now levy a government tipping tax.
  That will teach all them rich pricks not to make more money than them!
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:33am
  - KevOB
    
    But what are they going to do with their new riches?
    
    In NZ all money goes into the Consolidated Fund and is appropriated from there by parliamentary vote for a specified purpose.
    
    Another general tax increase.
    
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    August 20, 2018 10:19am
- Bullion
  
  Notice the social engineering that cost Helen Clark’s Government the last time they ruled the roost. That was when they were planning to reduce the size of shower heads for fughs sake.
  
  It was an energy efficiency standard – less hot water, less power used.
  
  Though, you can put a cost on negative externalities of producing electricity and higher price of power will likely result in products like shower heads that use less water being adopted anyway.
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  Free tip fees ?
  
  Ha ha ha . Shows the c#nt’s never ridden to the dump on his bamboo bike to get rid of unwanted flax baskets in his molly coddled , green addled fucken useless life!
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:48am
  - KevOB
    
    We paid $270 tip fees on Saturday.
    
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    August 20, 2018 1:11pm
holysheet

The big game hunter walked in the bar and bragged to everyone about his hunting skills. The man was undoubtedly a good shot and no one could dispute that. But then he said that they could blindfold him and he would recognize any animal’s skin from its feel, and if he could locate the bullet hole he would even tell them what calibre the bullet was that killed the animal. The hunter said that he was willing to prove it if they would put up the drinks, and so the bet was on. They blindfolded him carefully and took him to his first animal skin. After feeling it for a few moments, he announced “Bear.” Then he felt the bullet hole and declared, “Shot with a .308 rifle.” He was right. They brought him another skin, one that someone had in their car trunk. He took a bit longer this time and then said, “Elk, Shot with a 7mm Mag rifle. He was right again. Through the night, he proved his skills again and again, every time against a round of drinks. Finally he staggered home, drunk out of his mind and went to sleep. The next morning he got up and saw in the mirror that he had one hell of a shiner. He said to his wife, “I know I was drunk last night, but not drunk enough to get in a fight and not remember it. Where did I get this black eye?” His wife angrily replied, “I gave it to you. You got into bed and put your hand down my panties. Then you fiddled around a bit and loudly announced, “Beaver, killed with an axe.”
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August 20, 2018 8:20am
- RF
  
  I’m now plucking up courage to show my wife…. choice….
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:32am
  - alwyn
    
    If you actually did tell her I assume that you now have a black eye?
    
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    August 20, 2018 11:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  My beaver has alopecia
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:42am
  - VicParking
    
    A Sphynx cat died because of lack of use.
    
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    August 20, 2018 11:39am
EAD_TWO

The Adelaide Institute had quite a good debate over the weekend about the so called “burqa bans” that have been getting a lot of coverage in the MSM of late.

After much debate, we reached a majority view that it should not be banned in NZ/AUS.

Before downvoting, hear me out……

The reason we reached this position is that the burqa acts as a useful visible barometer of how these interlopers are taking our nations from us bit by bit, town by town and city by city.

It keeps people in a heightened state of alarm to see these unassimilable aliens and incongruous entities moving around among us.

The burqa is just symptom of the root problem which is, quite obviously, the presence of islam in Western nations.

The real debate should be: how do we incentivise them to leave, and how soon can we start that process.
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August 20, 2018 8:21am
- softail 1450
  
  Ead Two,,, It might be smarter if you want to keep the general population aware of the Muslim takeover bid to force them all to wear burqas…
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:32am
  - stephieboy
    
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    softail 1450, EAD TWO and you can continue to just do that whilst the rest of the population blithely ignore both your hysterical rants.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:45am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy,give pan pan a big kiss for ztev,,,LOL.
      
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      August 20, 2018 8:56am
      - Jack5
        
        The Adelaide Institute? And EADolf says “we reached this position.”
        
        Had to look up “Adelaide Institute” in Wikipedia:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Institute
        
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        August 20, 2018 11:45am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        What did you find Jacksie?
        
        Hang on let me guess – blah blah anti Semite blah blah deniers blah blah Nazi.
        
        Am I right ?
        
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        August 20, 2018 7:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        EADolf – in answer to your question at 7.12 …
        
        You are definitely Right – far, far, far Right.
        
        I believe in free speech, and in line with that believe you should be able to repeat and repeat your (to me) weird views.
        
        If you want to live in the past, that’s your business, EADolf. But it would be better for your mental health if you accepted that the Nazis lost and Hitler’s really dead and ain’t coming back.
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:31pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Muslim takeover bid to force them all to wear burqas”
    
    Muslims?
    
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    August 20, 2018 6:15pm
- secondcumming
  
  I see in the UK that a new experimental initiative has seen numerous British Muslim women swap their traditional full face veils for an outfit made popular by Top Gear’s ‘The Stig’
  
  https://twitter.com/RochdaleHerald/status/1028930438751039488
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:33am
  - realityczech
    
    “Muslims blah blah blah”
    
    Maybe they should dress more like the Jew so you can like them more.
    
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    August 20, 2018 6:18pm
- igm
  
  EAD: Stop taxpayer-funding of everything from birth to death. They live with eternal handouts and always want more. What percentage of these aliens actually work?
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:37am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm , what percentage exactly?
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  Dont ban them its hard enough to find a post box as it is
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:41am
Happychappy

So finally the media have decided to condeem Winston Peters and NZ First MP’s over the Waka Jumping Bill with the NZ Heralds Editorial giving the Party and Winston First a tongue lashing over their undemocratic Bill.
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August 20, 2018 8:30am
- VicParking
  
  Seems its the season for swallowing dead rats
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:41am
- lifesgood
  
  What took them so long?
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:51am
DigNap15

How do we (the good people of the west) stop them coming here in the first place.
Make them shake hands with a male at the airport!
If not back on the plane.
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August 20, 2018 8:30am
- sooty
  
  Eat a bacon buttie at the airport!
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:57am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Replace the sniffer dogs with a Kunekune
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:18am
- MCos
  
  That cuts two ways.
  Thailand, for example, could insist that everyone wai at immigration or bugger off. That would be fun to watch if nothing else.
  I once saw a young English backpacker refused entry until he put more clothes over his singlet.
  BTW
  I’ve been to KL & Jakarta; both Muslim. As I recall people shook hand, no problems.
  
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  August 20, 2018 10:07am
  - GoVege
    
    I saw a young European woman with half her ass showing under her shorts at Dubai airport last year.
    For some reason, no one apparently told her to cover up. 🙂
    
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    August 20, 2018 3:02pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Yeah, but Dubai – despite being ‘Muslim’ – is right into western in-bound tourism. It’s probably one of the least-strict in terms of religious prohibitions. (A wonderful city and Emirate to visit, incidentally.)
      
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      August 20, 2018 8:21pm
DigNap15

Reducing the Prison Population.
Greg Newbold was on tv this morning, he said that it is virtually impossible to stop re-offending.
He said the best way to stop the prison population rising was to stop people having children they cant look after,
And to make parents better parents.

He is so right.
I hope Andy and Kelvin and Willie were listening to him.
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August 20, 2018 8:33am
- holysheet
  
  Nah hes not dark enough. If he covered himself with black dribble maybe he will look the type to be listened to.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:36am
- Longknives
  
  “He said the best way to stop the prison population rising was to stop people having children they cant look after”
  
  I said the exact same thing over dinner once with ‘Left Leaning’ friends.
  I also said “We simply shouldn’t be paying Teenage dropouts with no basic life skills to breed”
  Yep- I got called a Nazi.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:03am
  - RF
    
    Longknives.
    
    Funny you should say that. I believe this country is in the shit with militant left wingers getting a new lease on life thanks to our communist government.
    
    My few left leaning friends are becoming more vocal concerning their views that really scare me.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:39am
- GoVege
  
  Omg….the voice of reason.
  Most of the breeding of criminals surely comes from the DPB being handed out to any lazy loser who just wants a free income.
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:51am
- Jack5
  
  Newbold is the country’s leading expert on prisons, and he’s an example of someone who turned themselves around after being imprisoned. Good on him.
  
  I swore I wouldn’t watch TVNZ’s Q&A again, but weakened last night to watch Andrew Little, whose move from glasses to contact lenses has given him an X-ray stare that can turn interviewers into crematorium dust.
  
  It seemed to me that Little conceded that he’s still on a mission to end three strikes.
  
  Worse, Little sermonised how criminals will be reformed, re-educated, reborn. I half expected him to stand up and shout, “and I will break their chains!”
  
  Little on crime is like a born-again, promising not life after death, but that his magic can turn criminals into law-abiding lambs and make all of us SAFE!
  
  A comic-book style caped politician on a mission to save criminals’ souls.
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , always take what Greg Newbold says seriously. His ideas on penal reform are based on first-hand experience as you mention. Andrew Little would do well to take heed of what the Professor of Sociology has to say at the Criminal Justice conference and when he considers another wave of Penal reforms.
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:16pm
    - holysheet
      
      Fuck me, what stooopidboy wrote that. Not the usual dross from that quarter. Well done….
      
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      August 20, 2018 2:06pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I recall an MP some years ago suggesting a $5000 gift to any solo mother who would voluntarily have herself rendered, in a painless manner, infertile. I thought about that suggestion for some time and concluded that it would be a great use of taxpayers’ funds. The “sage” was pilloried mercilessly. Such a pity, as there would be no force involved; it would be done in a consensual manner.
  
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  August 21, 2018 12:07am
wiseowl

‘A Labour-lite leader who has done away with the traditional conservative values and jumped ideological ship .’
‘following a process of policy creep, leadership absorbed by Labour ideas narrowing the point of difference and alienating the right’

Who does this remind one of?
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August 20, 2018 8:37am
DigNap15

Maori Vocabulary
Here is another good English word that I could not find in my English to Maori Dictionary

Detrimental
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August 20, 2018 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  maori kei te tiaki
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:45am
  - sooty
    
    Tiaki massala, nah that’s indian.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      From Wiki, the Oracle of all truth, more or less . .
      
      ‘There are multiple claims to its place of origin, including the Punjab region of the Indian subcontinent or Glasgow in Scotland. It is among the United Kingdom’s most popular dishes, leading a government minister, Robin Cook, to claim in 2001 that it was “a true British national dish’
      
      I’m going with Glasgow as the Scots would appreciate just about anything that was not oats in a sheep’s stomach although after the drinking session followed by a good chuck, I would be surprised if they could tell the difference
      
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      August 20, 2018 9:28am
      - waikatogirl
        
        I believe it was first made in Scotland. A tin of tomato soup is the base for Tika Masala. YUM!!
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:44am
      - holysheet
        
        Well that rules out the scots then. Where would those tight arses get soup in a can?
        
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        August 20, 2018 2:09pm
  - calendar girl
    
    My Māori Raupō Dictionary suggests a combination of two word variations:
    kino, (bad, evil, vice); or
    whakawhara(press, touch, hit).
    
    In my view, something like ”impacting negatively”. Quite close to what we might use: “detrimental”.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:49pm
Manolo

Socialism, the triumphant socialism Miss Ardern admires:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-edge-maduro-unveils-raft-economic-reforms-160712910.html

Ahead of a major currency overhaul on Monday, when Caracas will start issuing new banknotes after slashing five zeroes off the crippled bolivar, Maduro detailed other measures he hopes will pull Venezuela out of crisis.

Those measures — revealed in a speech to the nation late Friday — include a massive minimum wage hike, the fifth so far this year.
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August 20, 2018 8:48am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo,
  
  “Socialism, the triumphant socialism Miss Ardern admires:..”
  
  How and when?
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:55am
  - Manolo
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:06am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Manolo, this is getting like” The Kenyan” conspiracy. This time courtesy Whale Blubber.
      
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      August 20, 2018 9:14am
      - Ross12
        
        Are you suggesting that was an actress on stage in that video, sb?
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:50am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Socialism is pure evil, the third Reich was pure evil, the USSR pure evil, and all regimes emulating it pure evil.
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:18pm
Happychappy

Winstons internal polls must have droped again as he is back to calling for a referendum on the Maori seats telling Sky Australia this over the weekend. How is this going to pan out with the Coalition as Labour have said they will not support a referendum on the Maori Seats or will we again see who actually is the Leader of the Coalition by Labour being over ruled.
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August 20, 2018 9:01am
- waikatogirl
  
  I saw a short clip of Winston being interviewed by Sky Australia and he was certainly portraying a curmudgeonly mood. As it was only a quick look I wasn’t sure, but did Winston have a Shingles rash on his forehead? Shingles is very painful and debilitating so would explain why Winston was looking intensely moody.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:15am
  - MCos
    
    A rare case of the thirty year shingles if what you say is correct Dr W.G.
    
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    August 20, 2018 10:56am
    - holysheet
      
      Single malt more like it.
      
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      August 20, 2018 2:18pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  So far, Labour and the Greens seem to be enjoying the taste of dead rat. Why wouldn’t Winston offer them another helping?
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:15am
- Paulus
  
  Winston is still going to reduce the MMP from 5% to 3% once the party hopping bill is passed, so no left winger can object.
  That will get him, the so called Greens, and Cinderella off the hook after the next election.
  All as per secret agreement with Cinderella who will remain the Peter’s Puppet.
  
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  August 20, 2018 2:12pm
brett68

Why did the National caucus pick this fuckwit?
Is he trying to split the party?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/national-now-backs-water-levy.html
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August 20, 2018 9:17am
- stephieboy
  
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  brett68, roll on the Molyneux- Southern party!
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:21am
- Inandout
  
  Does Simon want to push Shaw aside and become Green co leader so he can share the dream with Marama? Every day he becomes more of an embarrassment to National.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:27am
  - Harkman
    
    How long does he take to say a sentence? Last night the Greens proposed crippling the economy with garbage taxes and National are like oh well we’ll see. WTF? It’s time to replace National with the Business Party or something or bring back Bill.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:33am
- KevOB
  
  National have not backed a water levy only positioned themselves to be included in the discussion.
  
  Newshub is not: its a informal COL propaganda arm.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:28am
  - brett68
    
    A proposed water tax featured heavily in National’s attack ads ahead of the last election, but new leader Simon Bridges says he’s open to the idea.
    
    “I’ve always thought that’s not a bad idea, but the reality is how you get there is really complex,” Mr Bridges told The AM Show on Monday.
    
    Is that Simons view or the National party view?
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:45am
    - KevOB
      
      The reality is how you get there is really complex…
      
      That’s it in nut shell. Ten years of Maori intertribal disputes to sort out the allocation, if any.
      National have no choice to acknowledge the govt/green push over water. Better to keep their powder dry for when it is really needed. The fighting will damage the other participants.
      
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      August 20, 2018 10:27am
      - brett68
        
        I’ve always thought that’s not a bad idea
        
        No, that’s it in nut shell.
        
        Did National always want to tax water or not?, was the problem that it’s just too hard to implement and if acceptable work arounds were found national is all for it?
        
        Or is this just Bridges view and not the official National party position and if it’s not why is he making these comments?
        
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        August 20, 2018 10:48am
    - Happychappy
      
      Well most people are charged for their water use from your councils now so why shouldn’t those that bottle water and sell it overseas not be charged, the sooner they all come to a consensus together on this the better it will be. It is going to happen sooner or later and would be better for farmers and others if they all sat down and worked out the best way to limit damage to those that would be most effected.
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:19am
      - marcw
        
        We pay for reticulation, testing, and sourcing. Water bottling companies pay their own costs.
        
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        August 20, 2018 11:37am
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        No they are charged for circulation, the water is free, the pumping and distribution i.e. pipes cost money.
        
        No one can be charged legally speaking no owns water just like no one can own air. And no matter what the king wishes, what the Pope says, what acts of Parliament are written or what the courts say they can no declare the earth flat and by doing so make that so.
        
        So no, no one is required to pay for a public good like air or water. And anyone who tries to do so is a bad person.
        
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        August 20, 2018 12:19pm
      - Happychappy
        
        The Waikato Council charge us Water consumption of $1.82 per cubic meter actual consumption and residential and connected $213.83 Then your connected Zone A pipes and district wide waste water another $896.62 with storm water another$164.00. So I beg to differ we are being charged for water consumption by the cubic meter.
        
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        August 20, 2018 1:09pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        No your charged for water that is distributed to your premises, its the same with many councils. They are providing a service which costs them money. They are charging you for the delivery but not the actual water…
        
        Honestly not a hard concept to grasp. If coca-cola amatal wants to extract water from the ground under their factory and put it in plastic and sell it, it doesn’t involve any council pipes, council bores, council dams, council pumping stations. So what could the council charge for? For the water? They don’t own the ground water or rain….
        
        So the two are not the same… They are different. And actually they do pay tax. They pay enormous tax. 50% of GDP in this country is government spending…. And the more they earn the more tax they pay..
        
        This is the same level of stupidity that sees idiotic labour supporters claim that tourism industry doesn’t pay tax. Of course they pay tax. They pay rates, gst, income tax, their employees do the same, they pay every type of tax imaginable…
        
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        August 20, 2018 2:11pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Sorry, Happy at 1:09pm – ‘reported you in error’ (fat fingers!)
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:58pm
    - dave_c_
      
      “Simon sez”
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:43am
    - KevOB
      
      That was an election issue pushed by Labour/Green PR team. They promoted water issues the whole year. They wanted it clean/ hated farmers/didn’t like the few drops exported–general hate and envy.
      National couldn’t ignore it.
      
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      August 20, 2018 1:22pm
oldpark

@Happychappy.
You’re on the button. Maybe he will even agree to re -instate the tax cuts which he promised for old age pensioners on fixed incomes. Then when he got their votes,he quickly cancelled the tax cuts. Come to think of it he also promised to get rid of Maori Racist seats as well,at the same time he promised tax cuts.
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August 20, 2018 9:19am
RW Capitalist

A customer of mine recycles tires, by chopping them up to granules and selling them to companies that make mats etc.
How about encouraging this, instead of just taxing people more?
This company has been doing it for years.
OOHH sorry, “capitalism has failed”.
My bad, I should have been listening (and obeying/reiterating) to the anointed socialist.
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August 20, 2018 9:23am
- kevn
  
  @RW Cap… I recall that recycled tyres were also chopped and used for horse dressage arenas. Big area and bound to be deep. Plenty of tyres would disappear into one of those.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:59am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Isn’t it used as filler to astro turf too?
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:49pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    It has been found that adding shredded tyres to tarseal extends the life of the road surface.
    
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    August 20, 2018 2:50pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      And gives a quieter drive.
      
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      August 20, 2018 5:25pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  How about putting them into the ground rw, very simple. We make a hole, call it a ‘dump’ put all our rubbish in it…
  
  Politicians are a great argument against big government, anytime someone mentions big government just mention ‘Jacinda Arden’ or ‘Ron mark’ or ‘Winston’s over payments’…
  
  Does someone really need to explain to these incompetent deficients the concept of a rubbish dump?
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:28pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  How does that work with steel belts in the tyres?
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:14pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
From TM an issue for the anti multiculturalists to ponder,

“’Tolerance towards migrants, contact is the most important factor”

New Zealanders face a nationwide challenge convincing people that cultural differences are an asset and not a problem, a Massey University academic says.

Speaking at a conference of the Association of Migration and Investment yesterday, Massey University Pro Vice Chancellor Paul Spoonley said while parts of New Zealand were very positive about migrants, others remained unconvinced.

Hostility towards migrants was highest in people who had no contact with them, he said.

“There are pockets where I think we have a challenge in this country to continue to convince people that being a migrant and perhaps being culturally, linguistically or religiously different is an asset, not a problem.”

A national survey of New Zealand attitudes showed rates of positivity towards migrants doubled or tripled compared to those in Europe using the same questions.

However, he said there was extreme variation in the results.

Mr Spoonley said migrants from Britain or South Africa were seen much more favourably than migrants from India or China.

“If we look at what makes a difference in tolerance towards migrants, contact is the most important factor.

“When you get into parts of New Zealand which don’t have contact with migrants, the level of hostility or warmth, as the Asia New Zealand Foundation talks about, goes up.”

Immigration New Zealand assistant general manager of visa services Peter Elms told the conference New Zealanders valued migrants but it depended on a person’s circumstances.

Employees and rural communities valued migrants while those in central cities were less positive, he said.

“If you’re in Auckland and you’re living in the central city area, I suspect your views on migration may be slightly different.”
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/364415/tolerance-tow
ards-migrants-contact-is-the-most-important-factor

This is a key point,

“Hostility towards migrants was highest in people who had no contact with them,..”

Common sense actually and would apply practically to all alt-righters on KB and Whale Oil etc.
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August 20, 2018 9:28am
- Harkman
  
  Spoonley is an idiot, he lies and you are just diverting the debate to immigration for your boss’s political ends to typecast everyone here as racist.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Tolerance towards migrants was highest in people who had no contact with them,..”
  
  There. Fixed it.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:48am
  - Inandout
    
    Like when Merkel rubbed shoulders and felt other things when she welcomed Muslim economic migrants to Germany. The mere sight of her fawning over the future rapists was sickening, but she will pay the price very soon.
    
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    August 20, 2018 10:39am
    - realityczech
      
      “Muslim economic migrants to Germany. The mere sight of her fawning over the future rapists was sickening, but she will pay the price very soon”
      
      She does the same with Jews. The mere sight of her fawning over the future rapists was sickening, but she will pay the price very soon.
      
      https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
      
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      August 20, 2018 6:22pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  (((Paul Spoonley)))
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    According to the source I link to here, triple brackets as in EADolf’s 9.59 post, are used to ” subtly highlight Jewish names.”
    
    Perhaps EADolf can clarify his 9.59 post by clearing up whether he is in fact stating or implying that Paul Spoonley is Jewish? If not, what is he signalling with his triple brackets?
    
    I disagree with Spoonley on multiculturism, but Spoonley’s ethnicity and religion are irrelevant.
    
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/06/why-are-there-triple-brackets-around-names-social-media
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:20pm
- Scott
  
  That is a very interesting point of view stephieboy. Actually race is a very complex area and the answers may not be as reassuring as you would like.
  
  For example in America there is a lot of fighting and tension between Blacks and Hispanics. Good white liberals have tried to bring people together and encourage them to intermingle but with mixed results. In fact it may be that races having more contact with each other, such as Blacks and Hispanics, shows out in stark relief that they don’t have much in common.
  
  It is not at all clear to me that if you make races mix together you will end up with a multicultural harmony? It will be nice if that was true but I don’t think it is true.
  
  Here in New Zealand we have done quite well with Maori and Pakeha. But I don’t think importing more races willy-nilly is a good idea. For example it’s well known that Maori and Samoans and Tongans don’t generally get on well together. That not getting on well together is not ameliorated by more time together. In fact they can make things worse.
  
  So again race is a complex area and we would do well not to assume the lazy liberal viewpoint that if we just spent more time together everything would be okay. That may not be true?
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Winston is still going to reduce the MMP from 5% to 3% once the party hopping bill is passed, so no left winger can object.
    That will get him, the so called Greens, and Cinderella off the hook after the next election.
    All as per secret agreement with Cinderella who will remain the Peter’s Puppet.
    
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    August 20, 2018 2:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    US Census – Official
    Blacks 13.4$
    Hispanics 18.7%
    
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    August 20, 2018 2:22pm
dime

I went to countdown last night. I gotta say, im impressed with their new single use plastic bag. it costs 15 cent buts its sturdy as fuck.

gonna head to the beach after work and find a dolphin to strangle with it
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August 20, 2018 9:29am
- KevOB
  
  That will be the replacement (approved) for former single use bag.
  The bags will continue just more expensive.
  
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  August 20, 2018 1:28pm
dime

is there anyone more full of shit than a gween?

the pregnant yank cycled to the hospital to give birth.

i know pregnant women who werent able to do that. why is this yank pregnant shaming?
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August 20, 2018 9:31am
- Harkman
  
  We need a law that you have to be born in NZ to enter Parliament on a party list. If she wants to get in, win a seat. That’ll get rid of her and the little Iranian Liar.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:39am
  - sooty
    
    Should have exported the fat crim for trying to bugger our political system as well.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:55am
    - alwyn
      
      Don’t be so mean with the things you say about Grant Robertson. Anyway, as far as I know he isn’t a crim, regardless of the truth of the other parts of the statement.
      He’s a very nice fellow, or at least that is what my lefty friends say.
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:13am
      - KevOB
        
        Nice but not competent to be MOF.
        
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        August 20, 2018 1:26pm
  - MCos
    
    . . . . . . . plus any number of Nats.
    
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    August 20, 2018 11:20am
    - Harkman
      
      Name them? One Indian, one Chinese wow, out of 57 etc
      
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      August 20, 2018 11:37am
      - MCos
        
        15 list MPs including
        Melissa Lee, Parmjeet Parmar, Jian Yang . . .
        
        You can check the rest
        Personally I don’t care where they were born as long as they are loyal citizens and not acting in the interest of a foreign power
        
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        August 20, 2018 1:16pm
      - Harkman
        
        How can you tell?
        
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        August 20, 2018 1:45pm
Ross12

“James Shaw ‘really furious’ female colleagues Marama Davidson and Golriz Ghahraman are subjected to threats online – ‘I don’t face that as a white male’ ”
Why does not he tell them to acknowledge “errors” in their CV (in GG’s case) and to stop using foul language in public and remind her she is now an MP, not a far left activist ( Davidson)?
That’s what a real leader would do and not deflect it onto to the public.
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August 20, 2018 9:54am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Well, it’s not like James Shaw said much when the great unwashed were crying “Fuck John Key” and threatening to rape his daughter……
  
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  August 20, 2018 10:06am
- dime
  
  ‘I don’t face that as a white male’ ”
  
  lol hold my beer
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:55am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Two things about James Shaw:
  1. He doesn’t use the same angry speech as the gangreen harridans, and
  2. No one regards him as a man
  
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  August 20, 2018 4:21pm
DigNap15

And he should also realise that I don’t hate Marama or Golriz, they are both hot in many ways.
I just hate their views and policies.
Its a big difference.
I also hate sickly white male liberals (yes you James)
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August 20, 2018 10:24am
secondcumming

Posted without comment…….

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkyMVuiU0AIQ80z.jpg
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August 20, 2018 10:36am
- stephieboy
  
  secondcumming , the issue is rather more complex than your mag rag suggests,
  
  https://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/30/why-terrorist-should-keep-his-canadian-citizenship-walkom.html
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:09pm
  - secondcumming
    
    I don’t see it as a ‘complex issue’ at all stephieboy…..you of course would obviously be more than happy to allow all murderous bastards like this to walk among us.
    
    Here’s a ‘little request’ I put in just for you:
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkybLlgW0AAyHv3.jpg
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:38pm
Manolo

The new sultan wants to force everybody to worship his paedophile prophet:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/19/new-york-times-digital-news-analysis-the-west-hoped-for-democracy-in-turkey-erdogan-had-other-ideas.html

Mr. Erdogan — who served as Turkey’s prime minister for 11 years before becoming its president in 2014 — forged his political career as an Islamist intent on challenging the strictures of Turkey’s state-imposed secularism.
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August 20, 2018 10:45am
- Scott
  
  Yes and one is not exactly reassured to know that Turkey is a member of NATO? Fortunately the great Donald Trump is on the case and is imposing sanctions on Turkey until they free the American pastor they have incarcerated.
  
  But a couple of things stand out to me. Turkey should never have been allowed to become a member of NATO. They are not particularly a western country and hold values and attitudes that are the antithesis of Western values and attitudes.
  
  And secondly the greatest challenge to the west right now are Muslim extremists. If Turkey is going to become a hotbed of Muslim extremism then they are going to become the enemy of the West.
  
  Turkey needs to change its course forthwith!
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott, things more complex than that especially when Turkey was the first Muslim country to recognise the Israel state 1949 and the former allows the latter to use their airspace for jet fighter exercises etc.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Turkey_relations
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:01pm
  - dime
    
    they are a good staging area for wars on iraq etc
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:48pm
  - MH
    
    onward to Gallipoli, me boys !!!
    let’s get it right this time, any one got a tide table?
    
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    August 20, 2018 3:27pm
  - realityczech
    
    And secondly the greatest challenge to the west right now are Jewish extremists. If Israel is going to become a hotbed of Jewish extremism then they are going to become the enemy of the West.
    
    Israel needs to change its course forthwith!
    
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    August 20, 2018 6:25pm
Harkman

Good news! Venezuela is devaluing it’s currency by 96% As we all know devaluing your currency is the path to prosperity ?
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August 20, 2018 11:33am
- rangitoto
  
  Taxinda can beat that easily.
  
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  August 20, 2018 11:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    rangitoto,
    
    How?
    
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    August 20, 2018 12:03pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Just continue with CoL policy.
      
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      August 20, 2018 12:10pm
      - Longknives
        
        “I know it’s fustrating but I wefuse to accept that our Economy is suffring!”
        
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        August 20, 2018 2:03pm
- 4077th
  
  Perhaps they have enlisted the help of Ztev now he is in KB jail for 6 months..It certainly shows..
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:02pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  … and putting their minimum wage up at the same time. This won’t be the last time they have to de-value.
  
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  August 20, 2018 1:54pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ApGNrQk94E

See this is the difference between Stefan Molyneux and the Bernie/Clinton/Never Trumpers in the ‘intellectual dark web’.

Stefan discusses race-crime relationships honestly. He talks about the rapes of the hundreds of thousands of little British girls. He talks the true stats of law and order.

None of the ‘IDW’ would raise any of the issues he raises.

London is dying.
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August 20, 2018 12:28pm
- secondcumming
  
  Couldn’t agree more U&C!
  
  The London ‘stabathon’ continues unabated, with six knifed in the last day – 2 dead (1 was disembowled)
  
  And what’s the useless Muslim mayor Sadiq Khant doing about it? SFA!!
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dkz6tpVW0AQH9tv.jpg
  
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  August 20, 2018 12:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  “ hundreds of thousands?”
  
  From waht cesspit you dredge that factoid up from?
  
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  August 20, 2018 2:08pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    What number of children raped and abused would you find acceptable?
    
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    August 20, 2018 5:28pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    It’s actually over a million. What a diversity dividend.
    
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    August 20, 2018 7:42pm
- Fletch
  
  Stefan talks to a Kiwi caller who was to attend his cancelled talk in NZ. The caller speaks about going over to have a look at the 300 or so people protesting the talk, describes their signs etc, and says he saw a speaker there who appeared to have an Irish accent quoting Malcom X, “be kind, be courteous, but if someone lays a finger on you send them to the cemetery”, which apparently got the loudest cheer of the evening.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzOAzcwc1hQ
  
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  August 20, 2018 3:19pm
- realityczech
  
  Stop pretending you are concerned about kids being raped. You just want a reason to hate on Muslims. That is fine, but at least be honest about it.
  
  The Child-Rape Assembly Line
  
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  August 20, 2018 5:52pm
krazykiwi

If Kiwiblog’s ad serving algorithm was working I would be seeing (and possibly clicking) ads about wine, family travel, grand parenting, and entrepreneurial stuff.

Conversely, ads for bogus babes from Ukraine are of zero, zilch, nil interest to me.
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August 20, 2018 12:43pm
- brett68
  
  Maybe its all that Russian/Ukrainian porn you’ve been checking out.
  
  Google doesn’t do porn ads, so Ukrainian brides could be the best fit?
  
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  August 20, 2018 1:40pm
- Longknives
  
  If only I got Ukrainian Babes…
  I still get Ads for Moustachioed ‘Heavy Metal’ Men and Gay Cruises!
  
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  August 20, 2018 1:57pm
- nasska
  
  ….” babes from Ukraine are of zero, zilch, nil interest to me”…..
  
  Probably gay Trev! 🙂
  
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  August 20, 2018 4:35pm
RF

Is the Govt fudging police numbers. 1800 on the beat or 1200 plus support staff.

Needs to be clarified before Nash cracks open the bubbly.
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August 20, 2018 2:00pm
- Longknives
  
  A shitload seem to be heading for the Northern Territories Police RF!
  I know of a couple of Seniors and a D/Sgt who have gone..
  That’s probably 50+ years of Operational Experience Police are happy to let go and replace with some 18 year old kidS recruited on a ‘Diversity’ drive…
  What could possibly go wrong??
  
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  August 20, 2018 2:06pm
  - RF
    
    Looks like NZ First are really chasing a seat in the north. Throwing porn Jone’s cash at it and now a shit load of cops.
    
    What a clusterfuk.
    
    TJF
    
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    August 20, 2018 2:32pm
    - Longknives
      
      TJF indeed!
      
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      August 20, 2018 3:24pm
      - sooty
        
        There goes the teachers pay rise!
        
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        August 20, 2018 5:39pm
- Piniwi
  
  Laughable RF hearing Bush talking about where 1800 new police officers would be deployed? Apart from his zero credibility they have yet to catch up with the increasing attrition rate. Then if his deputy chief is giving them the culturally correct path they will only be arresting bros for serious crime and giving a free pass for anything less. Poor old COL must be really desperate for some good news so they just make stuff up that sounds good with lots of numbers that sheeple struggle to comprehend.
  
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  August 21, 2018 2:00am
stephieboy

“Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani: Truth isn’t truth”

Mr Giuliani was arguing that Mr Trump should not testify to the Russia probe, as he might be “trapped into perjury”.

“Truth is truth”, NBC host Chuck Todd countered. Mr Giuliani denied this was the case, and said two rival versions of events were in contention.

President Donald Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has raised eyebrows by claiming that “truth isn’t truth” during a television interview

His reply seemed to echo controversial claims from Trump aides about facts.

In January last year Kellyanne Conway told Todd’s programme, Meet the Press, that the White House was entitled to present “alternative facts” – to which Todd retorted: “Alternative facts are not facts. They’re falsehoods.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45241838

What a shambles in the Trump camp!
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August 20, 2018 2:15pm
- secondcumming
  
  T.D.S.
  
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  August 20, 2018 3:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Rudy and Donnie?
    
    Yes quite right!
    
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    August 20, 2018 3:30pm
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy ,three words for you ,goat,goat,goat.
      and three more ,seek help fuckwit…….
      
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      August 20, 2018 4:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        And here’s a 2+1+4 word combination: “St Lukes” and “honeypots” and “small but ample breasts”. Off you go Stephieboy!
        
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        August 20, 2018 5:10pm
      - nasska
        
        He’s shifting focus though Nostra. 🙂
        
        …..”Poppa, did your Dentist feel and squeeze your nipples?”…..
        
        KB July 2, 2018 3:23pm
        
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        August 20, 2018 5:21pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy could be on to something, Nasska.
        
        Google search: “dentist accused of sexual assault”
        
        About 5,850,000 results (0.51 seconds)
        
        Surely not? 🙂
        
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        August 20, 2018 5:30pm
    - Longknives
      
      That never gets old Nostradamus!
      Sadly I can only give you one uptick…
      
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      August 20, 2018 5:16pm
- Fletch
  
  “Alternative facts are not facts. They’re falsehoods.”
  
  These ‘alternative facts’ are what the media report every day as being true. Just look at the talking heads rabbiting on about the so-called ‘Russian collusion’, the ‘Muslim ban’, the ‘treason’ that Trump committed in going to Russia (which every president going back to FDR has done), the ‘silencing’ of John Brennan by taking away his top secret security clearance (even though he is no longer in government and is an MSNBC pundit on TV now).
  
  I can’t believe some of the absolute bullshit the media said and are saying about these things. Comparing Trump to what happened with Watergate, with the Nazi rise in the 1930’s, with Hitler – hell, one woman even compared it with Kristallnacht in Nazi Germany.
  
  The media has lost all objectivity. They are biased beyond belief. They will take anything Trump does and spin the news against him, like trying to blame the recent shooting at an Annapolis newspaper on Trump because of his rhetoric against the media, when it turned out the shooter had a grudge against the paper for its reporting on him. They will stoop at nothing. They even questioned his mental health last year before a lengthy doctor’s report cleared him.
  
  They grasp at any new event to try and attack him, like the latest firing of Omarosa Manigault and her new book with its unsubstantiated claims of Trump using ‘the N-word’. It didn’t matter if it was true or not. Some woman with a grudge claimed it was true – that’s good enough for the media. Anything to bash Trump with.
  
  They are also talking about former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort being indicted – always making sure to link him to Mueller’s investigation when Manafort is actually being charged with tax evasion – nothing to do with Trump. The charge usually carries a sentence of a year at the most but Manafort could be sentenced to 300 years in prison – and why? No reason he should have so long a sentence other then his past connection with Trump.
  
  I have no time for liberals or their TDS bullshit.
  
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  August 20, 2018 4:47pm
  - gump
    
    Tax evasion usually carries a sentence of a year at the most?
    
    What makes you believe that? Not paying taxes is an existential threat to the US government and it punishes non-payment accordingly.
    
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    August 20, 2018 5:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    Trump did not ban Muslims. He introduced a few sensible controls for a few countries.
    
    Obama bought in the harshest most unconstitutional immigration laws in US history.
    
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    August 20, 2018 5:48pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
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  August 20, 2018 6:59pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  You clearly didn’t get your information directly from Giuliani and you really need better sources.
  
  When you’ve stopped wetting yourself over a selective sound bite from a churnalist not doing his job properly, you might want to research the complete comment Giuliani made on the subject.
  
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  August 20, 2018 7:02pm
Fletch

Not sure if this has been posted before – the entire Sunday interview with Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern where they really get in to the topics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzZyKsLj4ao
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August 20, 2018 4:31pm
DigNap15

This police numbers thing is always just bullshit.
Tel us how many polcie there are now
And how many there will be next year etc.

Ie how many of these new police are replacing those who leave or retire and how many are actually extra
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August 20, 2018 4:44pm
Nostradamus

Permanent migrants to Australia, by region and country (2016-17)

By region:

Southern and Central Asia 58,232
North-East Asia 37,235
South-East Asia 31,488
North Africa and the Middle East 28,525
North-West Europe 25,174
Oceania and Antarctica 16,445
Sub-Saharan Africa 11,369
Americas 9,687
Southern and Eastern Europe 7,306
Supplementary and Not Stated 492

Top 10 by country:

India 38,264
China 29,604
United Kingdom 16,982
Philippines 12,180
Iraq 9,771
Syria 8,229
New Zealand 8,199
Pakistan 6,315
Vietnam 5,579
Australia 5,425 [Temporary migrants in Australia who had children here before changing status to permanent migrants]

It’d be interesting to compare this with similar statistics for New Zealand.
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August 20, 2018 5:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Longer time period…but here’s some NZ stats
  http://www.migrationstats.com/nz/home
  
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  August 20, 2018 6:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Toting up the figures, and excluding “word processor operators,” I calculate about 6,200 computer/information technology people migrated to NZ in the period.
    
    This compares with 16,800 chefs, 12,300 tour guides, and 7,375 cafe and restaurant managers.
    
    We aren’t attracting the sort of people who will give NZ a modern economy.
    
    A teacher at a private school specialising in IT for foreign students told me that very few of those on visas and here to study IT wanted to work in it.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:05pm
Nostradamus

The NZ Herald is reporting on the big issues of the day: Clarke Gayford’s 4am tweet hilariously sums up parenting.

Jacinda Ardern and Clarke Gayford’s daughter Neve might be the “first baby” of New Zealand, but she appears no different. So when Gayford was up at 4am trying to get Neve to nod off, he took to Twitter to share how much precision there is in putting a baby to sleep. … Gayford’s tweet has been liked more than 1500 times.

Meanwhile in the real world…
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August 20, 2018 5:37pm
- Longknives
  
  Can anyone explain to me what is ‘Hilarious’ about that Tweet from Gayford?
  
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  August 20, 2018 6:26pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Longknives:
    
    No idea, but Helen Clark thought it was hi-lar-ious!
    
    Love all the encouragement and advice you are getting ??. LOL
    
    Would it be mean-spirited of me to observe that Helen Clark hasn’t had children – so unlike (say) Bill English, John Key, Jenny Shipley and Jim Bolger, she might find it hard to relate to Clarke’s situation?
    
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    August 20, 2018 7:53pm
    - nasska
      
      I’m sure that Dear (ex) Leader knows someone who’s closely related to somebody else who has had kids. 🙂
      
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      August 20, 2018 8:08pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maybe Helen could ask Chris?
        
        On 10 February 2007, [Chris[ Carter and [Peter] Kaiser were joined in the first civil union for a Cabinet Minister or Member of Parliament since civil unions in New Zealand were introduced after legislation was passed in December 2004.
        
        No, maybe not.
        
        What about that guy who kissed Peter on election night? 🙂
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:16pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”What about that guy who kissed Peter”…..
        
        It was a touching gesture. Seldom does the consort of a Prime Minister have someone stick his tongue down their throat on the victory dias. 🙂
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:23pm
      - stigie
        
        Peter is nothing but a dirty old pervert !~
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:29pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Helen Clark on the great escape:
        
        “If anyone can seriously think you could have your husband smuggled out via MFAT [Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade] from a foreign country without anybody ever knowing about it … I mean please, it’s just so farcical. ”
        
        Helen Clark on a close encounter:
        
        “My husband was not particularly happy with Ian’s hugging of him at the time, but that happened and there is nothing more to it.”
        
        Hmmm… wasn’t it a hug and a kiss?
        
        Even the independent and objective Sydney Morning Herald described “photographs of Davis being hugged by a man, and apparently being kissed”.
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Did Mr Plod tell all of us in Helen’s Toytown that we weren’t allowed to tell tales about something that never happened?
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:54pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        I think that was before Helen Clark had Peter Doone by the balls (metaphorically speaking)?
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:59pm
      - stigie
        
        “My husband was not particularly happy with Ian’s hugging of him at the time, but that happened and there is nothing more to it.”
        
        But the guy had his fucking tongue deep down Peter’s throat !~
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:03pm
    - itstricky
      
      Would it be mean-spirited of me to observe that… …she might find it hard to relate to Clarke’s situation?
      
      Probably not mean spirited but you’d be setting a very brave precedent.
      
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      August 20, 2018 8:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Itstricky
        
        When my daughter was younger, I resisted (and continue to resist) the urge to go on Twitter and Facebook and post random musings about the meaning of life as it relates to her. I guess a former prime minister has more time than me to follow closely what other people do at 4am.
        
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        August 20, 2018 8:57pm
      - itstricky
        
        musings about the meaning of life
        
        But you’re not dead*, so how can you possibly relate to anything about the meaning of life?
        
        [*Well, obviously the real Nostradamus is, but you’re not]
        
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        August 20, 2018 10:09pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Perhaps every parent who is up with the baby in the wee hours could text Gayford with the details – just so he doesn’t feel that he’s the only one.
  That way those who are interested could form a wee support group and not bore the beejeezus out of folk who have moved on from there.
  
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  August 20, 2018 6:47pm
  - sooty
    
    He’s already got half a doz woman helping with the baby.
    
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    August 20, 2018 7:43pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Brave man, looking at that rubbish.
  This sort of stuff continualy features high up the Heralds web page these days as it morphs into the Womens Weakly.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:34pm
  - itstricky
    
    Lucky there’s plenty of KBers to do daily summaries of the Women’s Weekly for you, then.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:37pm
realityczech

I see Jacksie the zionist bigot is slithering around the blog today spreading hate against Maori and other gentiles.
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August 20, 2018 5:39pm
- Jack5
  
  Stalking me, are you ‼️Kea‼️ alias realityczech?
  
  Getting close to a meltdown again, are you, old parrot? The last one – that led to the ban – was spectacular.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:08pm
realityczech

They need to stop letting these ignorant primitive misogynists into the West.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-jewish-taliban-controversial-sect-dismisses-child-neglect-allegations
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August 20, 2018 6:10pm
starboard

WTF..have I missed something ??
Prof. Hinemoa Elder with a stained chin ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMg2dTmCqcY
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August 20, 2018 8:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  She’s late to the party – Nanaia Mahuta was the trailblazer:
  
  A New Zealand Labour MP has spoken of her pride after becoming the first woman to wear a moko kauae, or traditional female Māori chin tattoo, in parliament.
  
  “Moko is a statement of identity, like a passport,” Nanaia Mahuta, from the Waikato-Maniapoto tribe, told the Guardian. “I am at a time in my life where I am ready to make a clear statement that this is who I am, and this is my position in New Zealand.”
  
  How progressive. How delightful.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:10pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”this is my position in New Zealand”….
    
    Her true position in NZ involves two seats to accommodate her ever expanding arse!
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:14pm
  - starboard
    
    Professor Elder ??!!
    I need to lie down.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She is a Forensic Psychiatrist.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinemoa_Elder
      
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      August 20, 2018 8:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Elder’s obviously bright, but if she feels she’s a Maori trapped in the body of a blue-eyed blonde, why not a chin tattoo to signal that there’s a brown person trapped inside her.
        
        What would Freud say about this?
        
        A bone carving on a pendant, which would do the same, could be used by an insane patient to strangle her.
        
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        August 20, 2018 10:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Start them young

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-20/indonesia-kindergarten-under-fire-over-independence-day-march/10139622
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August 20, 2018 8:04pm
- nasska
  
  That’s the problem all religious nutters face Maggy. If they don’t get the next generation mindwashed before the age of seven natural intelligence & rational thought will make the kids suspicious about the bullshit.
  
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  August 20, 2018 8:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The rifles seem very ominous.
    
    You’d think there were more fun ways to celebrate the end of Colonialism.
    
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    August 20, 2018 8:38pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

18 May 2018 Guardian:
Jacinda Ardern pledges shelter for all homeless people within four weeks.
https://t.co/ZaQQP9pTNU?amp=1

Another great virtue signal from P.M. SLG
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August 20, 2018 8:50pm
RF

I had the misfortune today to come across a video of Ardern opening the Criminal Justice Summit.

It was opened with her giving an interpretation of her version of Maori and then she stood there swaying back and forth like a cobra snake ready to strike. Her scrawny fingers were making a series of cats cradles and I just could not see the purpose of that unless she was trying to rock the audience to sleep.

I had the urgent need to pass wind and vomit so quickly left the room.
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August 20, 2018 9:00pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Criminal Justice Summit
  Wellington and Porirua, New Zealand
  20 – 22 August 2018
  
  About ‘P-Town‘:
  
  It’s A City Of Crime
  It’s Untidy And Dirty
  It’s A Poor Town
  Its Colleges Underperform
  It’s An Undesirable Place To Live
  
  Well, according to Porirua’s former mayor, Nick Leggett, none of that’s true. Ok, maybe Porirua is an excellent choice of venue for a criminal justice talk-fest then!
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:11pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s A City Of Crime
    It’s Untidy And Dirty
    It’s A Poor Town
    Its Colleges Underperform
    It’s An Undesirable Place To Live
    
    It’s a hole! People drive past on the motorway & see only the commercial area which is painted weekly to hide the graffiti.
    
    If any took the trouble to hire an armoured personal carrier & a dozen security men they could venture into deepest Cannons Creek & Waitangirua to see the desolation for themselves.
    
    It’s like South Auckland but with a shitty climate!
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:24pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      When even Mikenmild (speaking to Johnboy) refers to the way from “Wainui to ~~Cannibals~~ Cannons Creek”, you know it’s a place to stay clear of!
      
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      August 20, 2018 9:30pm
      - nasska
        
        You’ve got no idea Nostra. About 50 years ago the chick I was knocking around with had an older sister living in the dump who wanted to get away from her de facto & muggins was roped in to take a trailer over the hill to move her out.
        
        I’m not exactly friendly looking nor the type or build who gets sand kicked in his face but I was shitting bricks.
        
        In the end we succeeded. In return I asked her to bring my “melting pot & all people are equal” bird up to speed on what it was like to live in Porirua.
        
        At least after that I didn’t have to listen to the boilerplate shit about how racist & unfair I was again.
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:42pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I’m not exactly friendly looking nor the type or build who gets sand kicked in his face
        
        Mikenmild yesterday:
        
        Any news yet on the price fetched for dinner for four hosted by nasska at the Commercial Hotel in Eketahuna?
        …
        I think I could sell a few tickets for a dinner party featuring big bruv, D4J, and their fabled emails
        
        I nominate you for door security to keep the peace!
        
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        August 20, 2018 9:54pm
      - itstricky
        
        I nominate you for door security to keep the peace!
        
        Have you ever been a bouncer in Porirua? If not, I’m not sure you can relate.
        
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        August 20, 2018 10:12pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Itstricky:
        
        Have you ever been a bouncer in Porirua?
        
        No. What about you? Have you ever been in charge of the gardening at Hagley Park?
        
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        August 20, 2018 10:54pm
      - itstricky
        
        gardening
        
        Nope, not me. Hagley Park, though? What would you like to know about it? I have been there, so I am allowed to speak with authority because I can relate.
        
        As you’ve been so kind as to ask me about Hagley Park, you know what – I’ll give you a bit a leeway. Perhaps you’ve been a bar manager before. So – bar manager or bouncer in Porirua – if not, I’m not sure you can relate.
        
        [ I am taking the mickey of your earlier precedent setting ]
        
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        August 21, 2018 9:58am
Monique Watson

Where is New Zealand in this? Showdown in Idlib. This is so sad.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/20/middleeast/syria-idlib-final-showdown-intl/index.html
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August 20, 2018 9:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably in much the same place as where NZ is in this.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106403247/jacinda-ardern-nz-can-take-refugees-but-cant-save-detained-nauru-kids
  
  All piss & wind.
  
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  August 20, 2018 9:32pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    Earlier this year I commented on what Jacinda said in Australia last year:
    
    It is absolutely fair to say that we are family. … The [Manus Island resettlement] offer is very genuine and absolutely remains on the table. … I absolutely understand the priority that has been placed around the offer by the agreement with the United States. … So I am proud that a quarter of our Caucus are now made up of Maori representatives. Fantastic representatives who will absolutely serve our party and New Zealand well. When it comes to your question more generally about the citizenship issue, I would contend that that actually has absolutely nothing to do with New Zealand and nor has it had ever had anything to do with New Zealand.
    
    Not exactly Jacinda’s finest moment in clear, concise and effective communication.
    
    And if today’s media rumblings are to be believed, Peter Dutton may be promoted from the Minister for Home Affairs and the Minister for Immigration and Border Protection to Prime Minister, replacing Malcolm Turnbull. So we’d go from a soft liberal to a hard conservative. Oh dear. What will Jacinda do!
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But if Labor rolls the Liberals in the General Election, then it’s Game-on…
      The boats will be back and Jacinda will be spreading out dozens of welcome mats.
      
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      August 20, 2018 10:02pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Her take on this is appalling.
    
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    August 20, 2018 9:50pm
Jack5

Is this new? That South Africa has begun seizing white farmers’ land?

I thought South Africa had already started down that road.

If the white farmers want to get into NZ or the West, their quickest route might be to convert to Islam. Muslims seem to find it easier than Christians to get on the UN refugee lists.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12110366

NZ journalist with on-the-ground experience of the Middle East explains difficulties of Middle East Christians as refugees compared with Muslim refugees:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination-3748
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August 20, 2018 9:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

That unfolding Australian house price crash | FT Alphaville

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-21-august-2018/#comment-3169350

That unfolding Australian house price crash | FT Alphaville

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/08/20/1534766447000/That-unfolding-Australian-house-price-crash/

Those who have long, long argued Australian house prices are mental appear to be enjoying the correction. For instance, Bronte Capital’s John Hempton: … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 21, 2018 2:39am
- softail 1450
  
  Hugh,,, The Chinese powers that be have clamped down on ridiculously cheap money flooding out of their country,, it’s a problem coming here as well to a street near you……
  On a different subject, Drunken Garner just gave Jacinda a dream interview on TV3, talking of babies and the long suffering Gayford looking after bubba
  while she gets her sleep for the public good..
  FFS, pass the sick bag.
  
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  August 21, 2018 6:52am
Hugh Pavletich

California and United Kingdom house price trends

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-21-august-2018/#comment-3169401 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/general_debate_21_august_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2287308

California’s July 2018 Housing Market Retreats For Third Straight Month As Affordability Crunch Dampens Demand (California Association of Realtors) – Mariposa County Sales Up 10% Year Over Year

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/real-estate/15350-california-s-july-2018-housing-market-retreats-for-third-straight-month-as-affordability-crunch-dampens-demand-mariposa-county-sales-up-10-year-over-year

August 20, 2018 – LOS ANGELES – California’s housing market backpedaled in July on an annual basis for the third consecutive month as higher interest rates and rising home prices eroded housing affordability and dampened demand, the CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS® (C.A.R.)® (C.A.R.) said last week. … read more via hyperlink above …
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House prices: London sees biggest fall as UK asking prices drop by 2.3 per cent in August | Homes and Property

https://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property-news/london-sees-biggest-fall-as-uk-asking-prices-drop-by-23-per-cent-in-august-a123191.html

Average asking prices in August have dropped by more than £7,000 as Rightmove says vendors nation-wide are putting their properties on the market for 2.3 per cent less than in July. … read more via hyperlink above …
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