General Debate 17 August 2018

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hullkiwi

Kelvin the gift that keeps on giving. He is the minister for crown Maori relations. Has spent 10 months going to hui I and still doesn’t know, and now wants 2 more months. When is Jacinda going to dump the liability that is Kelvin?
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August 17, 2018 8:01am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Is Kelvin still alive? It’s been months since I last saw him. ?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:05am
  - holysheet
    
    Witless protection is so busy these days, even they lost him, he’s so useless.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:09am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Is there a jail? Or are they just ‘offed like the commies do? That Cindy is a pretty ruthless bitch.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:30am
      - lifesgood
        
        Not as ruthless as the anti baby she witch.
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:35am
      - Liberty
        
        “Is there a jail?”
        No. Col are still trying to find a salt mine.
        Meanwhile the the names of dissidents in Cols little book
        must be growing.
        After antagonising Winston big time in the house yesterday.
        Nick Smith must of rocketed up the list. Bishop can’t be far behind him.
        After his gallant work showing Col have an inept minister.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1HwKA0J-gU
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:49am
    - Pateke
      
      Special K’s hiding in a box of cornflakes.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:09am
    - Piniwi
      
      Hilarious holysheet that he consolidates the majority opinion that he has absolutely no clue about what he is doing he goes above and beyond when tasked with producing his own job description. Sitting quietly somewhere staring at a blank sheet of paper wondering if marking it as (A) was enough for getting it right.
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:27pm
      - holysheet
        
        putting his name on the paper would get him a “A” being a maori and all that.
        
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        August 17, 2018 4:09pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    It gets better apparently the air head that is the SLG, put out 2 press releases in the space of 18 minutes yesterday. The first said she is happy to be going to be going to celebrations for the anniversary of the coronation of the Maori King. 18 minutes later she retracted the first press release & said she will not be going, but Senior Maori members of the CoL will be going. Says it all about the CoL’s relations with Maori. Further it might be a chance for the media to find the elusive Kelvin.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:14am
    - srylands
      
      Why is there a king that gets coronated? Is this a real thing?
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:39am
    - VicParking
      
      They wont find him as MSM have been Banned. No photo op’s with maori mokopuna no Cindy
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:45am
      - hullkiwi
        
        VP your right I heard that they had banned the media this weekend. Probably because the Kingitanga is in a state of shambles & they’ve had bad press for the past few weeks. Wouldn’t be a good look all them flash cars and the locals looking impoverished.
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:56am
      - niggly
        
        Exactly, now she has the perfect excuse go have another photo op at a kindergarten instead and announce their latest ban (what will it be today) …. perfect publicity as lots of smiling wee faces clapping the announcement, easy-peasy stuff compared to potentially facing unhappy grown-ups protesting Labour’s deteriorating relations with Maoridom in the Waikato today!
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:00am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Watch Question Time, he is there. He is the one who has the ‘where the fuck am I’ expression, mouthing and nodding ‘that’s right that’s right’ when prompted
    
    Not like our Ron who sat there yesterday with his pointy finger in his mouth with the ‘duh’ expression all the while his owner answered a question.
    
    Blowhard Jones talks to his neighbour when the answer to his pasty question is being given.
    
    Remind me again just how much this stationary clown car costs us, taxpayers, to run?
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:34am
    - softail 1450
      
      P G,,isn’t Jones a poncy bloated arrogant individual?
      That arsehole is all that’s bad about N Z politics…
      The upside is that he wont be robbing his IWI for the funds he needs to live his fabulous lifestyle while other Maori live in poverty, he’s an entitled trougher of the highest order….
      And although he appears to be in his late 60’s he’s actually still in his 50’s.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:44am
      - GoVege
        
        Well at least Jones works for his pay. What does His Royal Highness, the Maori king, do to earn his?
        Didn’t Tuku say he gets 250gs a year while Maori kids go hungry?
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:12am
      - Woz
        
        If his skin was just a little darker, Jones would find his true calling in a country somewhere in SE Asia, or sub-Saharan Africa, where his special blend of pompousness, arrogance, and eye on the main chance is a guarantee on the path to self-fulfillment, wealth and status.
        
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        August 17, 2018 11:58am
    - VicParking
      
      Jones was proberly asking what all the big words meant.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:46am
  - GazzaW
    
    Very appropriately he was sitting next to the ‘ventriloquist’ yesterday. He moved periodically and uttered the occasional ‘that’s roight’ when prompted so we can assume that he’s still alive.
    
    I find it tragic that he’s the Minister of Tourism given a recent announcement that tourism is now responsible for 18% of our GDP.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:16am
  - kevn
    
    @JD… davis was seen at the teachers strike. Stood on the steps of parliamant with his bosses. He looked like an Easter Island statue. Unmoved.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:36am
    - GoVege
      
      He’s a decent man is Kelvin.
      Too nice for politics probably.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:14am
      - Garbageman
        
        And here was me thinking you had empathy for the less well off Vege this is the same Marama that said he would quit if Charter schools were closed
        
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        August 17, 2018 12:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        You’re right G man.
        That is pretty bad.
        We deserve an apology and an explanation.
        At least.
        
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        August 17, 2018 12:30pm
- 3-coil
  
  Poor old Kelvin – once a drongo, always a drongo.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:23am
  - lifesgood
    
    And teachers want more pay with no judgement on performance. Ye Gods, no wonder the poor unfortunate kids up north have empty useless lives.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:38am
    - VicParking
      
      Thats why they got Labour to dump National Standards.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:47am
    - GoVege
      
      Last night it said on the tv that teachers were going to have teach the kids up north how to brush their teeth.
      Mr GV remarked: “next they’ll be having to teach them how to wipe their arses “….
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:07am
      - 3-coil
        
        GoVege (10:07am) – tell Mr GV he’s wrong.
        
        Dags are considered quite the fashion statement up that way. They complement their ubiquitous dreads (aka dreadlocks, poo-strings etc) bro – okay?
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:30am
      - GoVege
        
        That’s disgusting 3-coil.
        Most of the parents of these kids are collecting bennies for their care.
        Why are they permitted to neglect the kids so badly?
        Shane Jones was telling his fellow Maori to get off their asses and work, a while back.
        It’s time he told “his” people to start raising their kids properly.
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:36am
      - hullkiwi
        
        GV, did you see Sunday last weekend. It was all about the children of the P addicts. It focused on Northland and Pat Newman and the situation he and teachers in Northland are faced with. It was superficial, but it showed a waste of space couple and a pair of girls from another mother.
        
        These people are unemployable junkies and benefit junkies. The only solution for these people would be considered right wing and fascist. Sadly, as the past 50 years shows, nothing will be done other than politicians like Jacinda throwing more taxpayers money at them.
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:42pm
- Prince
  
  To be fair Kelvin was appointed minister for Crown – Māori relations. A new position. No one had any idea what he was supposed to do least of all Kelvin. At the advice of his colleagues he has spent 10 months touring the country attending hui and being ignored by both Crown and Maori. He told Caninet he was returning to the Beehive. They strongly suggested he spend another few months away until he absoludely understands the issues.
  Meanwhile Messrs Little and Parker are pissing off all Māori with their patrician attitudes.
  The rest of the Labour Māori caucus were last seen in February at Waitangi. It is believed they are making their way back to Wellington and are currently held up in Waioru.
  Stats showing declining Māori education, health, employment and welfare have been keep quiet as apparently they misrepresent the absoludely positive steps being made there.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Labour desperately needs a Maori MP who can speak in public without embarrassing themselves and Labour. Surely they can find at least one?
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Cinderella not going to “Kings Coronation” year food up because the media have been banned so no photos.
    
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    August 17, 2018 1:11pm
- KevOB
  
  Hui are not for answers. Each one has their own sack of kumara to push.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    appropriate that sack from a European civilisation did they or are said sacks make from flax?
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:36am
- Rachael Membery
  
  What has it cost?
  
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  August 17, 2018 7:45pm
secondcumming

Q: WHO WAS IT SAID THIS?

“Key was exceptionally gifted as a self-deprecating after-dinner speaker. He had enormous political capital. Alas, he totally failed to use it to deal with the deep seated problems we faced in 2008 and still face today”
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August 17, 2018 8:07am
- Colville
  
  Brash?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:10am
  - secondcumming
    
    I knew the word ‘alas’ would give it away 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:12am
    - Colville
      
      Na I read an article yesterday with Brash moaning about Key.
      
      Brash came across as being bitter.
      
      Brash still dosent get the fact you need 50% of NZ to win under MMP. He was spot on about some things but needed some soft stuff to sucker in the floaters … and because of it Clark got her third term and really put the boot into NZ.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:17am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        National was in much better shape when Key became leader than when Brash became leader. To go from the 2002 result to even being close to winning is a success by any reasonable standard.
        
        Brash is absolutely correct that Key totally failed to deal with the deep seated problems we faced in 2008 and still face today. Whether he could do that and also win elections is a separate question. But as least he could have tried.
        
        Labour always rams through their agenda good and hard regardless of whether people like it, so they get to shift the country in the direction they want even though they don’t win as many elections as National.
        
        You can become the government by having the most votes but you only really win if you get your policies implemented. Labour seems more interested in doing that than National.
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:45am
      - Liberty
        
        Nigel Kearney
        
        “ Key totally failed to deal with the deep seated problems we faced in 2008 and still face today”
        
        The only deep seated problem the country faced in 2008 was ingrained socialism
        And the pandering to Winston.
        
        A few years ago Libertarianz brought out a budget that would have solved the
        Socialism question. Heartland NZ would have been horrified. The poor and the destitute would have been in total despair.
        Libertarianz failed to get electoral support. Mostly because heartland NZ have
        been mollycoddled by the state for so long now. Sucking of the state tit is now considered the norm.
        
        As for the pandering to Winston.
        Bolger, Brash,Key,English have all been to much of gentleman to tell Winston to get Fucked.
        Was that a failing ? Yes
        
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        August 17, 2018 11:32am
      - Colville
        
        Liberty.
        Correct me if I am wrong but Key ruled Winston out twice or three times?
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:18pm
  - KevOB
    
    Don Brash never had to face a GFC or a $20Bn earthquake.
    John Key managed through that and brought NZ to the top of the well managed charts by the end of the period.
    Running on inbuilt ideology this present COL doesn’t need external advice . Already their blunders are catastrophic and GR will feel like he is against a firing wall if interest rates rise.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      @KevOB Orr, orr perhaps it will take a lot more than rampant inflation to get the interest rates to rise? How else could anybody realistically consider predicting any change in the OCR so far out unless it was an edict from a potential Nobel Economics medal winner? The eventual result might well be a shift in the OCR minus any (.) dot easing the housing crises by making it a housing market crises. Bargains will abound as the flood of mortgagee sales rolls out offering more (affordable) housing even fewer can afford to finance. KiwiBuild funding will be gobbled up by the staggering risk factor that might have otherwise not been revealed if there was no for the turnaround.
      Even Brash might have a struggle digesting all those glowing terms he offered for those Aussie banking giants. While sweet cheeks scours the history to find an excuse to continue to reassure us how the economy is tracking to expectations. Funnily enough from the same source as the reassurances of interest stability.
      
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      August 17, 2018 2:07pm
      - KevOB
        
        Have a look at what is happening overseas. We don’t live in isolation.
        The Gov. of the the RB is almost following Labour’s party line. The bank has been threatened with controls.
        
        The global economy which we are part of doesn’t dance to the NZ Parliamentary Labour Party tune.
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:51pm
- Jade Warrior
  
  Given that Key supplanted Brash as leader of the National Party, are Brash’s views on Key likely to be all that objective?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:16am
  - mister nui
    
    Fair point.
    
    But, I think you will find that many people totally agree with Brash, myself included. I have long said Key was a total disappointment for not spending his political capital. The fact that working for families is still around is a huge indictment on Key. WFF is one of the main reasons behind our insipid wage and productivity growth.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:19am
    - john1234
      
      Don’t forget that the Nats managed to miraculously win and hold power through three elections despite not really having support parties, and did so through tiny majority margins. They had to balance staying in power against doing stuff. Better to be in power and not do too much than be out of power. Look where we are now – a government that can only ban stuff, throw around money and call for working groups as the economy dwindles away.
      Rather have Key not doing too much if those are the only two options.
      Pragmatism.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:24am
    - GazzaW
      
      Had Key wiped WFF the Nats would not have survived the next election as the centre voters would have abandoned the Nats with the blink of an eye. I know that won’t go down well with the purists but the fact is that the centre voters represent a much bigger lode than the far right.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:24am
      - KevOB
        
        Had WFF been removed what would it be replaced with? Are taxpayers with dependent children not to get rebates?
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:57am
      - hullkiwi
        
        …Gazza that doesn’t say much for the centre block of voters.
        
        If, your statement is true, the centre hold to:
        1. Craddle to grave welfare;
        2. Nanny State intervention;
        3. A low wage, poor productivity economy;
        4. They believe that there is a wealthy tooth fairy who can pay for all the welfare, but don’t realise it is coming out of their own pockets; and
        5. The majority of kiwi voters are economically illiterate.
        
        A sad reflection really, or put another way, it gives grounds to the view that the voter franchise should be restricted to those with an IQ above 120.
        
        Is that what NZ really wants or needs?
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:01am
      - GoVege
        
        Well put, hullkiwi.
        But I think the average Kiwi is slaving so hard to keep the wolf from the door, they don’t have time to think about how their hard-earned taxes are supporting bludgers to reproduce…massively.
        It’s up to older Kiwis to enlighten them, instead of whingeing about their latest operation.
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:43am
      - GazzaW
        
        Like it or not hullkiwi that’s where the centre sits and to abandon the centre is to commit political suicide. The Nats have never drifted beyond slightly right of centre and there has never been any significant support in NZ for a true right wing party. Not in my living memory anyway.
        
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        August 17, 2018 12:21pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But Jade Warrior many believed that Brash reached his peak as Governor of the RBNZ where he was adept at dealing with politicians he was not suited to the political arena. Evidenced by his failure now also being “forced” to agree with somebody else rating Sir John Key’s Government when he himself compounded his political failures with ACT. We might suggest “judge not, that ye be not judged.”
    
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    August 17, 2018 2:26pm
- Simon
  
  Stormy Daniels.
  
  He promised to make housing more affordable, and noted that in 2008 the median house price in Auckland was six times the median household income. Today it is nine times, something which, along with stagnant real incomes, explains much of the current social distress.
  
  Debt & taxes The State continues to farm people thats Key’s legacy.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:47am
Captain Mainwaring

Sounds like there’s dissent in the NZF camp. Winston’s $300,000 fine for anyone jumping ship is having a few (Ron Mark included) considering their options.
Let the blowup be a big and messy one.
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August 17, 2018 8:08am
- holysheet
  
  Well the drunken dwarf has a $158,000 head start on the rest of the no-hopers.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:13am
- sooty
  
  The $300, must have been in the secrt pages of 5he COF. Because even the NZF mp’s don’t know about it and say they have not signed it. What does the Bag Lady have to say?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:16am
  - tf78
    
    I’m sure Winston said this morning that it came in about 3 years ago and everybody had signed it. If they haven’t, if I were them I would be jumping right now.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:19am
    - Inandout
      
      tf78, Winnie sounded so incoherent this morning I feared he may have some form of medical problem.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:51am
      - holysheet
        
        Yeh, it’s called a hangover.
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:59am
      - GazzaW
        
        Hosking probably caught him before his morning heart-starter kicked in.
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:27am
      - Piniwi
        
        Perhaps tf78 he is still suffering from having a very sensitive nerve pressed so firmly yesterday not forgetting it is recorded in complete details for all to see – on demand. Single malt has a wide numbing effect but is useless for serious pain relief with too much only adding to the cumulative pain levels.
        He is now like the one armed paper hanger trying to hold up a cover sheet while getting stuck in the next drop over glued. Harder to get in place as even it’s own weight can cause a mismatch of a complex pattern. Indentured bonded team and still the Haumaha who ha running parallel.
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:38pm
      - Bottomless_Pit
        
        Its called being 70 with dementia setting in. Find him a sunny spot with a nice blanket.
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:27pm
    - peterwn
      
      Seems to be in the Party rules (since when?) and candidates would presumably have been to acknowledge party rules. IMO it would be unenforceable against any electorate MP’s (though NZF has none) since The High Court previously ruled that any agreement stopping someone from standing for Parliament is void.
      It could stick with respect to list MP’s but would possibly depend on the nature of any agreement and how it was executed eg does it need to be spelt out with neon lights?
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:26pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Which bag lady are you referring to? There is more than one not counting those who should wear them over their heads.
    
    Paper bags in XXL are available for those whose head size matches their sense of entitlement, sense of importance and their ego’s
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:41am
- lifesgood
  
  Why don’t they walk en masse now and form there own party a la that waste of space, Dunne.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:39am
- niggly
  
  I read a Stuff article yesterday, it was hilarious – looks like the NZF Party bigwigs Tracey Martin and former right hand man Ron Mark didn’t have to sign this document – so they are ok whereas the NZF newbies and perhaps lesser known MP’s had to!
  
  Talk about the haves and the have nots! Hows that for unity within NZF?!!!
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106338625/nz-first-mps-could-end-up-300k-out-of-pocket-if-they-flout-party-rules
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:07am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    By “flout party rules”, do you mean acting with integrity?
    
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    August 17, 2018 1:09pm
- ldypen
  
  Sounds like a perfect opportunity for the Nats to put one over the COL. Get Simon to say how anti democratic Winston Worst’s party is and then offer to pay the $300,000 for any of Winston’s members to cross the isle or tell Winston to get stuffed.. that would put the cat among the pigeons!
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:18am
  - Komata
    
    idypen
    
    A great idea, except that Simon (‘I’m such a nice guy’), won’t do it, cos it’s not ‘gentlemanly’ to attack your opponent in that way.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:22am
    - Batman
      
      Well and the fact that that is a giant waste of a good chunk of your election war chest… Simply to give it over to Winston to use for his own campaign to help the CoL…
      
      Other than that, a completely genius idea.
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:14pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Small problem: Name one of those NZ First misfit numbskulls you’d want to see in the National Party
    
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    August 17, 2018 1:12pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps ldypen this might be an opportune moment to respond to the second thought. Democracy and our democratic process provide a much more economical solution to this problem. Time for a vote of no confidence. The catalyst to this is the boat jumping bill already seen as undemocratic by so many legal and electoral law experts. The country is under the administration of an accidental PM chosen by the leader of a party who’s composition strains the definition of our democracy principles. Also unpopular with the piggy in the middle Gang Green party who are a;so feeling the trains on what they perceive as the democratic process. Having been pulled into line by a holly undemocratic process of political payola.
    All the while we have been blinded by the performance of the silly little girl getting her strings pulled by her puppet master. Now we see he is trying to conduct the whole Punch and Judy performance with some very thin lines with only two hands leaving many puppets slumped on the stage floor. It is not helped by the chosen path of the oat jumping bill is in the lap of Angry Andy who struggling to attach a shred of integrity to this shift in the very foundations of our democratic process. Then to have it revealed that the true author of this bill is himself the result of some very dodgy moves of his own with a primary hold over his minions. The other puppet show which must be moved by a string attached to his shoe since they all move in unison. Lol
    
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    August 17, 2018 3:11pm
- KevOB
  
  What is Winston up to? He must know as a lawyer that the $300,000 payment requirement for not leaving within two days is “against public policy” and hence not enforceable.
  
  Is the aim to put pressure on because the contract item could be tested on the quantum of damages sought relative to the amount involved?. It is further arguable that damage will occur if a timely recognition does not ensue.
  This exposes a NZF member to a horrific legal cost threat irrespective of any other payment sought. That the contract term is potentially arguable is the real disincentive.
  
  Perfidy?
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:11am
Nukuleka

Elliot Ikilei, the Deputy Leader of The New Conservative Party: attractive, well-spoken, bright, funny, charismatic, fearless. If the National Party is looking to find a potential coalition partner going into the 2020 election then a party that has this man has as its Deputy Leader should be the obvious choice. (Yes, I have to admit, I am a little bit in love with him- sorry, Elliot.)

I only hope that the actual Leader of the New Conservatives is as promising.
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August 17, 2018 8:10am
- Than
  
  Growing the vote for the New Conservative Party (or for Act for that matter) doesn’t improve National’s chances of getting into government. The vast majority of people who would vote for either of these parties would vote National in their absence. So no net gain of right-leaning votes, and in the case of the New Conservatives a very high risk of votes being discarded if they fail to reach 5%.
  
  For anybody who wants to get rid of the corrupt CoL by far the safest option is simply to vote National and get them close enough to 50% that they can govern alone.
  
  The only reason to vote for another right-wing party is if you want to push a National-led government in a particular direction (more socially conservative or more economically conservative), and you’re willing to accept that by doing so you make such a National-led government less likely.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:30am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I do wonder if campaigned well, whether a conservative Christian party could do quite well with the Pacific Island/ex-South African and Korean vote. Particularly in Auckland. Lot of conservative values right there.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:35am
    - Inandout
      
      SC, and don’t forget the Muslim vote, you know the ones who abhor their Imams’ fixation with Leftist parties; not many in number I know, but still conservative types.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:55am
    - Than
      
      The same idea was suggested for Colin Craig’s Conservatives. It didn’t pan out.
      
      Now you could argue that the Conservatives failed in the “campaigned well” part. But I suspect it’s just that Pacific Island voters are very loyal to Labour and their votes are hard to shift.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:57am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yes but Colin Craig had zero political capital in South Auckland because… Colin Craig.
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:07pm
  - tf78
    
    Maybe Elliott should have joined David Seymour instead of a new party – that would make more sense.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:38am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      That would not make sense as Elliot is a conservative – not a liberal.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      tf78 ,desperation politics!
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:58am
      - john1234
        
        As desperate as Labour holding their ankles as Winston has his way with them?
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:27am
      - john1234
        
        As desperate as the Greens choking down dead rats like it’s a hotdog eating competition?
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:28am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Party vote.
    
    Someone here will be able to explain why ACT only require some 5,000 party votes to gain a list MP and National need something like 55k for an additional list seat.
    
    So Natioanl may lose one or two list MP’s but gain significant support from a partner with list MP’s. How many Gween elected MP’s are there?
    
    If all those who party voted Winston to keep National honest, Chuck, voted party ACT (or Consrvative should it come to pass without Craig the creepy clown), National with a partner will consign the Col to the hole in the ground that is Pike River
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:49am
    - Paulus
      
      Watch now that the Party hopping policy goes through and Winston gets the MMP 5% dropped to 3% as per the secret agreement Cindy signed.
      It keeps her in current and future form of power so it’s ok.
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:17pm
      - stigie
        
        But they just can’t legislate to drop it from 5% to 3%, doesn’t it have to go through the Electoral Commission for a referendum first..?
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:56pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Than, have you heard of overhang? That is how ACT gets an extra seat for a National led government.
    
    If the NC is polling at around 1% it would make sense for National to give them a seat.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      Chuck Bird, that assume they can win an electorate seat.
      
      Now I ask you?
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:00am
    - Than
      
      Overhang is only helpful in this case because ACT is polling so low. If their vote were to grow that advantage would go away.
      
      Imagine ACT were polling around 0.8-1.0%. If those votes could be transferred to National (and you’d expect most would if ACT closed shop) then National would probably get an extra list MP (depending on rounding). So in terms of the number of right-leaning MPs, supporting ACT versus having them disappear would be a wash. If ACT’s vote were to increase at the expense of National votes, each extra ACT MP comes at the expense of a National list MP (roughly; again, depends on the rounding). Still a wash for the right as a whole.
      
      The same thing would apply to the New Conservatives. There would only be an overhang if National gifts them an electorate and their party vote remains extremely low. Otherwise it’s just a zero-sum game for the right overall.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:20am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        If Act’s electorate went to National then National would get the seat I do not think it would make a difference with the extra party votes they might have.
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:00am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Than, you are correct in regards ACT. However, it could be a little different with the NC. That is because the NC could attract votes other than National. Elliot is PI and Christian. NC also supports binding referenda. It possible that he could get votes off NZF as well as PI Christians who may vote Labour or not vote at all.
        
        Another scenario is if the NC are polling about 2%. If they are not gifted a seat then the votes are wasted. If they are gifted a seat that is an advantage to National. The time to consider this option is much closer to the election.
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:02pm
      - Batman
        
        Fractions, Than. Fractions.
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:16pm
      - Than
        
        Chuck, sure *if* (and I do stress if) the NC could gets votes from NZF and PI Christians, that would be a net gain for the right. But I think this is a long shot.
        
        NZ First voters are socially conservative, and binding referenda are a policy NZF and NC have in common. But at the end of the day NZF has never been about policy – it’s a cult of personality built around Winston Peters. To pull large numbers of NZF voters the NC would need to find an individual who can match Winston’s personal appeal. That’s a very big ask.
        
        Regarding PI Christians, my comment would be there have been several Christian and/or socially conservative political parties formed in NZ in the past, and to date none of them have succeeded in claiming significant numbers of Pacific Island voters. Now granted I don’t think any of them have targeted this demographic particularly well (for example I can’t recall any having any PI candidates) but gaining these votes would still be something that has not been done before. I strongly suspect that PI loyalty to Labour will outweigh their social conservatism.
        
        And even if the New Conservatives could pull significant numbers of NZF and PI Christian voters… that would be all for nothing if they could not reach the 5% threshold.
        
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  - Justitia
    
    I voted National for 30 years and was a member when Don Brash was leader. But I am no longer a National voter. I am impressed by Ikilei for his forthright and common sense defence of free speech and may well vote for his party. I would not vote for National in their absence, because National have wandered off the reservation some time ago to towards the insipid metoo Left.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:57am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Justitia, and you wander off to the insipid metoo rabid right!!
      
      Sigh.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:02am
      - Garbageman
        
        Just once try to add to the conversation ya predictable fuckin clown and yes i do realize that would require a single shred of common sense and willingness to engage in civil debate instead of one line fuckwittery give a go one day you might be pleasantly surprised at the reaction but thats not what you are here for eh
        
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        August 17, 2018 12:18pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Saying you are no longer a National voter has about as much credence as someone telling you they are an ex-catholic.
      
      A National voter believes on being taking responsibility for ones own outcomes forever irrespective of how disillusioned he/she/it is with the party.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:10am
brett68

According to Radio Pravda the leaker of Simon Bridges “expenses” is either a National MP or someone employed by Parliamentary Service.

Apparently all MPs from the other parties have been ruled out.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364262/bridges-leak-stakes-are-high-for-mps-amid-investigation
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August 17, 2018 8:11am
- Philview
  
  Which party is closest to the Russians, I think we know? If they can hack into the DNC, I am sure the National Party server can be hacked.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Does Chippie pee in the park?
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:17am
    - fernglas
      
      who really gives a fuck?
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:23am
      - srylands
        
        Yes I agree. Sure it isn’t a good look, but for it to be headlines for days and for a QC to do an inquiry is nuts.
        
        I also don’t understand this fascination with travel expenses. As I have commented previously, the cost of the BMWs is simply an accounting transaction from one part of the government to another. The cars and drivers have mostly fixed costs. If the government owns the cars they should be used. Otherwise get rid of them.
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:46am
      - kowtow
        
        srylands
        
        ‘Yes I agree. Sure it isn’t a good look, but for it to be headlines for days and for a QC to do an inquiry is nuts.’
        
        Left wing media agenda.
        
        They decide what is in and what is out.
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I don’t know about peeing but on Tuesday when Mallard announced the QC led probe intothe expenses leak, Chippy looked like he had shit his pants.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:52am
    - Inandout
      
      Does he pee in the park, well yes, maybe.
      
      https://www.kisspng.com/png-squirrel-cartoon-chipmunk-clip-art-cartoon-png-ima-84057/
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:00am
- hullkiwi
  
  Ruled ou by who? Ducky & the air head SLG? Means they know who did it.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:18am
- Happychappy
  
  Another Journalist Barely Sober said the same thing over Winston Peters super leaks and ten months on and Court proccedings promised there has been no proof offered again they said Peters had all the EMails from Bill English that he sent to the staff member concerned in the Todd Barclay saga again no proof so I wouldn’t bet my house on any Journalist being right until it’s proved as fact.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Would a Nat MP leak material to Tova O’Brien?
  How Plausible is that?
  Why would anyone trust her not to drop you in a pile of doggy doo?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:30am
  - brett68
    
    I struggle to believe it was a National MP.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:48am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      But can they totally trust their staff members not to do it. And if it is a National staff member the National MP would still get the blame as they theoretically are in charge of their staff.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:02am
  - Philview
    
    Maybe Rawshark is back to his/her tricks again.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:11am
- Harkman
  
  It was Winston while acting PM.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:02am
- backster
  
  The article does not explain who ruled out other parties and why.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:09am
  - marcw
    
    Because the princess was adamant – absolubely not – that no Labour MP had the information. This was Monday when the leak was first reported. Could be egg meets face time if it turns out it was from Labour.
    
    And the drunken dwarf knew it was a national MP, because they are all so unhappy.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:42am
    - Paulus
      
      But I thought I read at one time that both Party Whips had the figures.
      This comment seems to have disappeared.
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:20pm
  - KevOB
    
    My radar twitches that this is a COL hit job to divert media. The contents are insignificant and were to be published only a few days later.
    
    Where are they at with the youth camp revelations? Grant is appreciating have the heat removed too.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:22am
- GazzaW
  
  A dollar to a doughnut there’s no MP involved in the leak. Much more likely to be a PSA mole in the parliamentary bureaucracy.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:34am
Monique Watson

Eldest son was dropped off to High this morning. As he got outta the Chevy, all that could be heard was the chorus: “Aussie, Aussie, oi,oi,oi!
His name is Ozy. Short for Ozymandias. Plays defense. Brutal.
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August 17, 2018 8:12am
- Monique Watson
  
  I tried to explain about the haka. The direct translation.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t bother it’s so yesterday!
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:18am
    - sooty
      
      Good on you for a Chev. I hope it’s a V8. That’ll make the greenies eyes water.
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:20am
      - softail 1450
        
        Sooty, Chev and Ford are going to concentrate on large 4×4 type trucks and utes and actually stop producing some of their smaller and medium sized vehicles ,,,,this will have the filthy greens worlwide tearing their hair out.
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:55am
      - sooty
        
        Nothing like giving the punters what they want.
        Have you seen them utube vids of diesels smoking road maggots.
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:14pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Has he learned how to tackle properly yet i.e. without using his helmet as a weapon?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Maybe you should have waited for the medication to wear off before naming him Ozymandias
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:54am
  - softail 1450
    
    VicParking,,,,LOL…….
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:57am
  - Pateke
    
    Mind you he will play well with two vast and trunkless legs of stone.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:23am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Class!
      
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      August 17, 2018 11:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Great poem though.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:47am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Its my favorite (well apart from the Dylan Thomas one about “Do not go gentle…”)
      
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      August 17, 2018 2:20pm
Happychappy

So now Labour find it all right to try and win Ron Marks seat of Masterton by asking NZ First to stand their Cadidate down at the next Election. While it does nobther me one way or another it is the hypocritical stance Labour have taken over the years about National and Act in Epsom. This might not happen as Ron Mark is totally against losing the chance to win the seat himself but when you have the show pony giving media air to the situation this far out from a election you can guarantee there is more to it than meets the eye.
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August 17, 2018 8:12am
- Scott
  
  Well that’s because Kieran McNulty is sitting in Parliament because he is on the Labour list. He has never enjoyed the confidence of the majority of the people of Masterton.
  That’s because he is yet another leftist progressive who has never once let his Catholic faith interfere with whatever new crazy scheme his fellow leftist progressives want to implement.
  The election before last his major point was how marvellous gay marriage was. Those attending the public meeting in Masterton not surprisingly didn’t consider the advancement of gayness one of their top priorities. He lost by a handy margin and then last election he lost again.
  Sadly because of the vagaries of MMP he finds himself in Parliament.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:31am
  - Chris2
    
    He knows he needs to win an Electorate seat because otherwise at the next election he will be out of Parliament as Labour’s party vote will undoubtedly collapse.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:47am
- softail 1450
  
  HaapyChappy, if Winston tells Mark to step down Ron wont argue unless he’s got a lazy $300,000 hanging around somewhere to pay the gnomes fine.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:00am
Philview

Good performance by Nick Smith on RNZ just now. The comparison of the “Waka” Bill to Zimbabwe was a brilliant soundbite and should be really rammed home.
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August 17, 2018 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018658502/nick-smith-questions-nz-first-departure-contract
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    Apart from its likely unconstitutional on that ground alone, it would be unenforceable contractually.
    
    A move that could well destroy NZ First.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:11am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy, its good to see that Maggys link has led to you actually making a truthful post, yeee haaa.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It has been in the NZF Constitution since 2013
      
      https://yournz.org/2018/08/16/nz-firsts-300k-clause-is-old-news/
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:39am
      - marcw
        
        But now NZF MPs are making laws in the highest court in NZ. This is a corrupt influence, as MPs should not have an economic sanction on their voting in a democracy.
        
        If a constitutional lawyer has any comments I would be interested if you agree with me – the whole coalition could be declared invalid, and all laws they have passed voided.
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:49am
  - softail 1450
    
    M W ,,Winston Peters is a disgusting power crazed flea, we have at least 24 more months of putting up with the smirking ferret….
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:11am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maybe less than that if NZF implodes.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:41am
  - Justitia
    
    Thanks Maggy. Nick Smith spoke well.
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:14am
duggledog

Well Brett, maybe it was someone from inside National.

I heard a poll on the AM Show on TV3 the other day that put Collins way, way ahead of Bridges.

What we’re looking for is someone who can execute a ‘show me the money Phil!’ moment, I think in all honesty Judith is the only one that would strike terror into little Jacinda’s heart, and that is what is required, not a male mirror image of Cindy.

I don’t believe for a moment Judith is too polarising, so was Brash with his Orewa speech and look what happened to National’s poll results.
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August 17, 2018 8:15am
- Colville
  
  duggle.
  
  Nationals poll results in the only poll that matters?
  
  Brash failed.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:22am
- brett68
  
  Judith Collins isn’t a stupid person, if she was to ever become Leader she needs to win over her caucus colleagues.
  
  Doing a dirty on the current leader with a ridiculously pointless leak is not how you’d achieve that.
  
  My money is on someone from Labour and RNZ is trying to run interference.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:38am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Why not Mallard? A person doesn’t change from a thug to a paragon of virtue just because they are sitting in a different chair.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:48am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Yes but he wants the Knighthood that goes with the job.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:06am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Mallard is nearing his parliamentary end, he cares about his reputation as most older people do, and leaking while speaker would sink him forever.
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:34am
  - VicParking
    
    The only reason for leaking it, remember it was only three days early, was a timing issue. Lets take the Maori rejection off the front page. Who gains by that?
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:59am
  - Philview
    
    Didn’t Rawshark hack her a few years ago? The Left maybe up to their dirty tricks again.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:15am
  - KevOB
    
    That’s likely part of the expenses leak scenario too.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    There was a clip of Judith Collins on RNZ news on Wednesday morning nswering the question whether it had been a National MP. Her response was “..If it was then there is no room for them in the National caucas.”
    
    Given the above, I doubt it was a National MP & despite what some have tried to stir up or say, the caucas have been very united since the election.
    
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    August 17, 2018 12:50pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Yes, but I suspect there could be growing disillusionment with Bridges and his failure to gain traction in the polls.
      Quite possible there are nervous backroom rumblings from some who might see the next election slipping away from National if a strong leader isn’t in place soon.
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Brash’s speech was not polarising. Something like 80 % of people agreed with it.
  
  It was the media party that were triggered by it.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:49am
Chris R

While I have no time for what passes for a government in NZ currently I am a bit dubious about the business “confidence” polls which are doing the rounds. Having confidence in one’s business and confidence in oneself is an essential component of any enterprise. The problem is, how much confidence is too much confidence? Those who begin businesses believing the sun will shine on them daily and that bad things only befall others are doomed to fail. The polls do not establish this: A preferable question would be: Is the owner/board more confident in his/her/their ability to trade well in forthcoming years? Otherwise business “confidence” is little more than a slogan. If it is little more than a slogan then it ranks alongside most of the ill-prepared rubbish which pours from the mouths of Taxinda and her ridiculous colleagues.
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August 17, 2018 8:16am
- cmm
  
  No doubt different industries have different outloooks.
  
  Just look around you. Do the people in your industry seem up-beat?
  
  I was thinking about a new car, but my 24 year old shitbox van can probably roll for another year or two. Carpets – getting very scruffy but can probably go another year or so. Same with painting the house.
  
  But maybe if there’s a building downturn some tradies might cut their prices a bit….
  
  Business confidence does not exist in a vacuum. Other confidence issues feed into that.
  
  When people drive past the petrol station every morning and see petrol is up almost 50c a litre since LetsDoThis then it is not a good start to the day.
  
  When people see the oil&gas industry being needlessly kicked in the nuts, they wonder if their industry is next.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:54am
  - Chris R
    
    cmm:I agree. You take my point therefore that the business confidence polls are too restrictive to be a decent measure..it is the interplay of many factors which influence the temperament of business owners and operators. I cannot imagine how anyone could design a poll to gauge these diverse factors. It would be hazardous to use polls like the ones being quoted to attack an opposition party.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:03am
    - cmm
      
      It would also depend on who you talk to in those industries too.
      
      I expect union bosses feel up-beat not because their industries have improved, but because their power has improved.
      
      Similarly tree nurseries will be smiling at the need to fill the 84 million tree shortfall.
      
      Talk to the right people and you will get the right answers.
      
      A more balanced approach is probably to not ask people directly, but rather look at secondary factors like their spending. Car sales up/down? Christmas shopping up/down?
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:13am
      - Paulus
        
        Sage as some sort of Minister said the other day that all the trees to be planted must be Natives.
        They take 200 years to mature.
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:25pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Paulus, the other consideration with planting native trees is that they will never to be commercially viable as no one is allowed to cut them down.
        Remember the fuss gangrene made about harvesting west coast trees that had been blown down in a storm?
        You can’t even touch them if they’re dead!
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:35pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Paulus,
        
        since I grew up in the South Waikato, allow me to opine [pun definitely intended] that Pinus radiata is pretty much the only viable commercial tree crop based on time-to-harvest/profit (blue gum was tried in the 70s/80s its too soft even for pulp and paper).
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:56pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Spoken by someone who’s clearly never managed a business of any consequence much less had to put it all on the line to establish and grow a business.
  
  Try thinking about this. adern unilaterally closed a $2bn business at the cost of 8,000 jobs and a negative environmental impact for the sake of some grandstanding. Farmers and irrigators face enormous uncertain over environmental and water issues knowing adern doesn’t care about the facts. Exporters are wondering where free trade is going to wind up now that adern has decided to have a hug fest about free trade so we can all understand how we feel about it. Unions flexing their government muscles over labour market changes. Capital gains tax a virtual certainty if this government is re-elected along with, most business people would expect, higher income tax. Political corruption running rife with peters’ party and liebour. Global uncertainty with Russia, China, Iran and the US, Brexit and the EU generally.
  
  I’m not sure why any business owner ought to be feeling super confident in light of all that but by all means, go invest your own money into a business opportunity that won’t be affected by any of this.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    If they can shut down a multi-billion dollar industry on a whim with no consultation then who is safe?
    
    Jim’s Garden Services and outdoor centres should be worried. Maybe the next stupid change is banning mowing your lawns and doing gardening so that your garden overgrows to make habitat for bees.
    
    Bread might get banned because of gluten intolerance. I’d be worried if I was a baker.
    
    When governments act irrationally, it makes everyone worried.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:41am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Jim is safe because of the full face fuzz and adern will give him the money to convert his mower fleet to electric.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:14am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Maybe that’s why Gayford’s gone all hipster?
        
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        August 17, 2018 11:03am
- KevOB
  
  The business surveys given by banks etc. are a long tested barometer of economic winds. Those who are trained read them well. They give hints for caution and expectation of hope.
  
  The surveys are independent of government so can be more free ranging without being interpreted as policy announcements. The decline reported means that business cash flows have been reduced. If that continues it will be reflected in the Public Accounts.
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:43am
oldpark

Confessions of a snake oil Politician and how he became NZs self appointed Dictator.
Peters the snake oil dirt bird came up with two sneaky schemes to make sure he would get a result.
First con all the old age pensioners on fixed incomes to vote for him. Even promising them tax cuts which he voted for. Once he got the votes he cancelled the tax cuts .
Next trick that even a Mafia Don would not get away with. He told any of his personally hand picked potential MPs. To qualify and be in my Party ,he said to them . Sign a document to the tune of $300,000 you can join up. The barbs will be if you dont agree with what i do or vote for, you will get three days to get the fugh out of my Party and Pay the agreed $300,000.
What a sneaky way to get up to nine of his list MPs votes as against normally just one.
Could snake oil Peters sign here or else be the ultimate in bullying unheard of in the history of NZs politics.The jury is still out.What price NZs democracy, now under violent threat from a snake oil politician,now NZs self appointed Dictator.
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August 17, 2018 8:18am
secondcumming

BBC reports…..

Two Indian junkies accidentally snorted curry powder instead of cocaine. Both were rushed to hospital…..one’s in a korma, the other’s got a dodgy tikka.
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August 17, 2018 8:18am
waikatogirl

This autocratic COL have stated police will have unfettered access to farms and remove any information they want. This is diabolical. Even those who commit heinous crimes can expect the police to present a Warrant before access is gained by police to their property. Farmers are being sidelined by this COL, turning society against hardworking farmers is the apparent agenda. These Marxists are taking what they want as part of their ideology and discarding the rest as unnecessary. Watch out the rest of us may be on the list next.
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August 17, 2018 8:18am
- igm
  
  These scum (CoL) are no better than the ANC shit in SA . . . oh, I see, they support it.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:29am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Your source/citation please?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:30am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Oi! What’s with the downticks? Is it really unreasonable to ask for more information?
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364232/rushed-legislation-on-animal-tracking-system-faces-scrutiny
      
      • Align the NAIT Act search powers with the Search and Surveillance Act.
      
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1808/S00188/law-changes-support-mbovis-eradication.htm
      
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      August 17, 2018 11:57am
    - GoVege
      
      Apparently ….it is, Albert.
      Dunno why.
      
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      August 17, 2018 2:25pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Privately owned property rights. Are there any remaining?
  We are on the way to communism where land and business is nationalised and the means of production is under the control of the proletariat.
  And it won’t stop at farming.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:43am
- stephieboy
  
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  waikatogirl,, igm etc do go and visit your brief, consult and prepare your last will and testament. Finally, kit yourself out with your survivalist gear and go into hiding prepared for the wrath to come!
  
  LOL
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    You’re such a very odd wee man.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:56am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Just to be clear Stephieboy you don’t believe in individual property rights?
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:57am
    - Harkman
      
      These far left loons want Marxism so they can boss you around while keeping property owdnership for themselves.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:07am
    - igm
      
      Salacious: Of course he won’t, being a leeching lefty, he will have nothing other than envy of those who do. They, like beneficiaries, vote left scum to try and take something from those who have worked, accumulating a bit of money and few assets.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:12am
      - GoVege
        
        Igm: most beneficiaries don’t get up early enough to vote (even when they realize there’s an election on).
        It’s all the low-paid workers who vote left in the hope of getting better pay one day.
        
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        August 17, 2018 1:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      SC, I don’t suffer from paranoia like Waikayogirl and you.
      
      Any fears I might have are based on rational and reasoned thinking.
      
      Not hysteria.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:21am
      - labrator
        
        Any fears I might have are based on rational and reasoned thinking.
        
        That’s what the alt-right want you to think!
        
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        August 17, 2018 9:27am
      - waikatogirl
        
        sb “rational”
        LOL
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:06am
      - Harkman
        
        You forgot ‘ir’ in front of rational,
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:09am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Stephieboy I can assure you I suffer no such paranoia. However I do have a healthy degree of scepticism when it comes to governments increasing their authority over individuals.
        
        Do you think the police should be able to raid gang headquarters without a search warrant?
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:10am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Hagar the horrible didn’t seem to enjoy being searched did he? Much leftie wailing and gnashing of teeth over that. But they feel differently when it is dirty Kulacks?
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:38am
    - sooty
      
      No. Stephies renting. Has been ever since mom chucked him out.
      
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      August 17, 2018 1:21pm
- Psycho Milt
  
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  …police will have unfettered access to farms and remove any information they want.
  
  To farms! Oh my God, no, not the farms! It was OK for previous governments to give the Police unfettered access to people’s homes if they suspected drugs were on the property, or to give the Prime Minister the right to officially declare people terrorists, but this is beyond the pale!
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That’s right! those evil fucking farmers snorting that white milk powder! What a threat to a decent ordered society they pose!
    
    Tosser
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:18am
    - igm
      
      I hope if, and it will, one of these tossers enters a farm, he/she gets gored by a bull or a decent old boar, even a Dorset Horn ram would sit one of the wankers on his/her arse.
      
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      August 17, 2018 11:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    There’s a big difference between police being able to enter a property at will, and requiring them to first have reasonable grounds to suspect criminal activity. A while back, people on the left used to care about things like that.
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:32am
    - marcw
      
      Wait until they come for the word presses, and the internet connections.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:55am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      What about access to Union offices, Parliamentary Offices etc.,
      Is this now a Police state.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:09am
- Inandout
  
  Waikato, even worse than Foot/Mouth it seems, although I understand the legislation for that is draconian.
  
  ‘If an FMD outbreak is confirmed, a nationwide biosecurity emergency will be declared. Movement of cows, pigs, sheep, goats, deer, alpaca and llama, and their genetic material will be banned nationwide under a National Livestock Standstill. The standstill (declared through a Controlled Area Notice) will last for 2 weeks or more. It will stay in place until all cases of the disease have been detected and the extent of the outbreak is known.
  
  The standstill would be needed to stop further spread while we work out how widespread the disease is. The first case of FMD found, won’t necessarily be the first in New Zealand – the disease may come from another infected property’.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:09am
- cha
  
  police to present a Warrant before access is gained by police to their property.
  
  Unless of course, they enter without a warrant to prevent or investigate crimes, seize relevant evidence, respond to risk or safety when an offence is thought to have occurred, and under legislation that permits warrantless entry, Animal Welfare, Land Transport, Immigration, Misuse of Drugs, Arms, and numerous parts of the Crimes Act.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:59am
holysheet

With all this shit coming from the winstonfirst party one can read between the lines and see it is all aimed at keeping mark under control. Cindy and the drunken dwarf have agreed that Ron will not be around any more and the wakas are circling the mark corpse.
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August 17, 2018 8:19am
- stephieboy
  
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  holycrap, blah, blah, blah…as per usual. Focus instead on the canned humour.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:47am
  - holysheet
    
    well you asked for it…..
    
    Stooopidboy got an internet advert asking if he wanted to improve his sex life.
    He answered all the questions and waited for the advice.
    It was a short answer.
    Change hands.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:56am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Tsk tsk.
      
      LOL!!
      
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      August 17, 2018 8:58am
    - igm
      
      Or find another goat.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:15am
    - marcw
      
      There was a church inquiry set up to investigate why Stephie was such a large knob. After a lot of time and money spent by all the knowledgeable church elders to have a full exhaustive investigation, the archbishop finally reported to the congregation that the reason Stephie was such a big knob was to stop his hand slipping off.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:01am
Paulus

It is with some surprise that I see that NZME is advertising for A Political Reporter to be in the Press Gallery for the Herald.
I assume that advertising is just a ruse as they surely have somebody quietly employed in this plum number.
I quote a coupe of points from the advert—–
“the Reporters should have great instincts for knowing what is important,unique and interesting—
…expected to tell stories in a traditional as well as new and innovative ways…..
You will be expected to break stories, find new angles and developing contacts….
What it doesn’t say is that you must swear allegiance to Mother of the Nation and her baby, invent stories, and hate Simon Bridges and the National Party.
You will be expected to parrot what the Labour Party PR staff tell you without question, irrespective of any truth.
You must learn if you get on TV to be able to spit, shout and gesticulate hatred to anybody you are told to, especially white haired old white men.
You can take lessons from Patrick Gower and Tover O’Brien.
Most importantly you must have a Communications degree from Massey University.
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August 17, 2018 8:19am
- Colville
  
  Surely a Communications degree from Waikato would be acceptable?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:25am
  - igm
    
    Well that is all it takes to be appointed as PM, if one agrees to hidden demands of a Toxic Gnome.
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  and be a woman, can’t have a man any more, no no no, no pale and stale weeing standing up need apply . . . .
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:20am
freethinker

Heard on Radio am this morning that Adolph Ardern has continued her demonisation of Farmers by passing under urgency unrestricted access without notice or a warrant farms.Mycoplasma Bovis is serious and I doubt farmers would deny access for MPI so what is the reason for this evil draconian legislation, perhaps Goebels Twyford can explain.
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August 17, 2018 8:20am
VicParking

Red Radio was on the band waggon about how ‘low lives’ deported from Aus are not getting support on their arrival in NZ. They shot themselves in the foot using the two examples they raised as both have been given nine years of free accomidation and food at the governments expense.
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August 17, 2018 8:34am
- DigNap15
  
  Don’t they know how to get to a WINZ office?
  
  But seriously I’d give them some help to get a job and a flat etc, but with the warning that this is your only chance.
  If you commit any crimes that’s it.
  And if youjoin any gang, there is no more benefit.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:41am
- Piniwi
  
  Fascinating VicParking that their old instincts kick in when they need money and go for their easy option. However something is wrong with the judicial system here as they will only have to serve one third of their sentence. Which might turn out to be much less if the review being undertaken could target a sinking lid prison population.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:20pm
duggledog

Colville, my recollection is that Brash was pipped at the post not by the Labour party, or Helen Clarke, or all their teams of strategists and advisers, but by a curious little Irishwoman by the name of Noelle McCarthy who effectively forced him – on a student radio station – to admitting he had had dealings with the Brethren. The timing was unfortunate, it was headline news, National lost the election.

I have no doubt that had this now-famous woman chosen Australia as her new home instead of this one, Brash would have made it.

He totally electrified the voters, not bad for a Mr Burns looking older man who was at retirement age.

Look at National now and ask yourself, do National voters support National reluctantly, or enthusiastically?

That’s it you see. We know Two Ticks Blue will simply carry on Labour’s Good Work.
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August 17, 2018 8:34am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes National nearly won the election under Brash
  I never quite got the Bretheren thing.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    DiNap15 , lets say religion and politics, unlike the US, don’t mix
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s very simple really:
    Irrational right wing religious fundamentalists (Bretheren) = bad.
    Irrational left wing religious fundamentalists (Greens/Marxists)= good.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:43am
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog what 1.1% of the vote do rabid righters like you make up?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:49am
  - Harkman
    
    BTW didn’t National beat Labour at the last election by 7.6%?
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:12am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So it’s rabid right now instead of alt right.
    What’s the difference?
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:32am
- Jack5
  
  Noelle McCarthy – famous? Nope, infamous.
  
  Her plagiarism:
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU0811/S00289/radio-nz-pr-on-noelle-mccarthy.htm
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:24am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:51am
DigNap15

Our Maori Vocabulary lesson continues
Today’s Word is Collate
Ism sorry, there is no word for Collate in my printed Maori dictionary.
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- stephieboy
  
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  Answer whakaemi
  1. (verb) (-a,-hia,-tia) to gather together, assemble, accumulate, collate.
  
  http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=collate
  
  Next ?
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    Stephie I note that all of your suggestions for my Maori words come under “Loan Words”.
    This means that there was no Maori word before the Europeans came here!
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:16am
    - labrator
      
      whakaemi is not a loan word.
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:26am
      - VicParking
        
        whakaemi: To Gather
        Example: Lets go down to WINZ and get an emergency whakaemi.
        
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        August 17, 2018 3:08pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Put either an “h” or “k” in front as in “Hepi” for sheep or Ka for car, all good to go.
  Probably “kollate” would work.
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:11am
holysheet

Billionaire Richard Branson has withdrawn from a sponsorship deal of the Wallabies. He stated that ‘he couldn’t have the name VIRGIN on the teams shirts … when they get fucked every week !’
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August 17, 2018 8:39am
thedavincimode

OMG … DISASTER!!!!

… from the I’m not sure that’s exactly what porno had in mind files …

Did the person driving around mulching pine tree seedlings into the deck just south of Tokoroa not get porno’s memo?
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August 17, 2018 9:03am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/macro-afternoon-474/#comment-3167350

How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783

… extract …

… How on earth do we do that?

It’s easier than you might think.

Let’s break down a home into its three core components: the building itself, the infrastructure (including consenting) and the land.

Starting with the building, it currently costs around $2000/sq m to build a simple standalone home in Auckland. Apartments are more, say from $2500-$4000/sq m depending on how complex.

That means a moderate 150sq m standalone home or a not-very-family-friendly 100sq m apartment will max out the $300,000 limit of the bottom quartile.

So build costs have to come down.

KiwiBuild will be a big asset in this regard. The scale at which KiwiBuild is being delivered is already attracting investment in off-site manufacturing, standardisation and much greater building efficiency.

Our target should be $1200sq m, which would bring us more into line with overseas.

This means our 150sq m home will cost $180,000, giving us $120,000 for infrastructure and land.

Looking at land, KiwiBuild is interesting because the Government is targeting much redevelopment on Crown land, which is very difficult to value. … read more via hyperlink above …

The Houston example shows a (NZ)$300,000 ( circa US$ 200,000 ) home is more than feasible.
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Opinion: Let the builders build – Kevin Atkinson of Generation Homes | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/104213530/opinion-let-the-builders-build

…extract …

… Generation Homes is building 300 to 400 houses a year. We could easily double that within our existing resources if there were infrastructure funding assistance from councils for new affordable housing developments. …

… To get real efficiency and to be able to build affordable houses, building companies need to be building 50 to 100 houses or more in one development.

This productivity problem is forced upon builders and we need creative solutions to address it. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Rodney Dickens says section prices are the key to solving the housing affordability problem, not higher density around transport hubs. He warns against force-feeding in areas that won’t deliver the intended outcome | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/92556/rodney-dickens-says-section-prices-are-key-solving-housing-affordability-problem-not
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August 17, 2018 9:06am
- Longknives
  
  Jesus Christ Hugh!
  I was enjoying this morning’s GD- Then I hit your boring rant…
  
  Way to kill the Party mate- Could you not shorten it (by about ten thousand words) and maybe jazz it up a little?
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:13am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Posted (early this morning) … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-17-august-2018/#comment-3167441
    
    NEW ZEALAND … Faced with an affordability crisis, New Zealand bans foreigners from buying homes – The Washington Post
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/16/faced-with-an-affordability-crisis-new-zealand-bans-foreigners-from-buying-homes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60b66711faac
    
    It is not a question of whether Auckland’s house prices fall, but by how much: Analyst – NZ Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12106664
    
    How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
    
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    August 17, 2018 9:21am
    - Longknives
      
      Still not really ‘Jazzy’ though is it?
      
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      August 17, 2018 9:33am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Why don’t you just report him 3 times like I did… and he’ll be gone.
        
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        August 17, 2018 11:07am
      - MCos
        
        Not one of these freedom of speech fundamentalists, then?
        
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        August 17, 2018 12:19pm
- GoVege
  
  But if we build on all that fertile land out Puke way, we might end up paying $5.50 for a lettuce!
  But y’know….I think I’d rather grow my own veges than never own a home.
  Did it once before to avoid a mortgagee sale….
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:49pm
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AUSTRALIA: House prices falling in 98% of Sydney and Melbourne suburbs – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/house-prices-falling-in-98-of-sydney-and-melbourne-suburbs/

Via Herald Sun:

SYDNEY and Melbourne have been the powerhouse for Australia’s booming property market but a new report shows only 17 suburbs across the two cities are seeing increased prices.

With just a handful of suburbs among Sydney’s 700 showing steady rises in property values, experts say this continues to highlight a steady downward trend that’s been under way for three years.

Instead it’s the smaller capital cities that have previously underachieved that are emerging, most notably Adelaide and Perth. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND … Faced with an affordability crisis, New Zealand bans foreigners from buying homes – The Washington Post
  
  Posted (early this morning) … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-17-august-2018/#comment-3167441
  
  NEW ZEALAND … Faced with an affordability crisis, New Zealand bans foreigners from buying homes – The Washington Post
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/16/faced-with-an-affordability-crisis-new-zealand-bans-foreigners-from-buying-homes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60b66711faac
  
  It is not a question of whether Auckland’s house prices fall, but by how much: Analyst – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12106664
  
  How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:40pm
lastmanstanding

I am the Lefts enemy.
I am White.
I am Male.
I am what they PC call “a Senior. I prefer “blessed with the wisdom of age”.
And you know what.

I dont give a SHIT.

In fact whilst they regard me as the scum of the Earth and responsible for all human kinds ills I regard them as a plaything. To be laughed at. To make jokes to and about. To regard them as merely a dog trud on the sole of my shoes.

And I suggest other Right minded citizens treat the Left in the same way.
Because we will prevail. The tide is turning in many countries and it will turn here.

The Left will be seen as an irrelevance who offer problems but no solutions.

Who lack the common sense of the Right.

Who lack the ability to work with others for a better country and a better World.

Who are caught in their own echo chamber and bubble unable to see the big picture.
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August 17, 2018 9:18am
- Longknives
  
  I find all the pure hatred and vitriol spat at White males quite disturbing.
  The Left shriek and wail about ‘Equality’ and ‘Diversity’ but they are at the same time happy to absolutely fucking demonise White males.
  (Blaming them for ALL the World’s ills)
  Such people should read their History- Blaming one race/culture/sector of Society for all your woes does not end well.
  Think Germany in the 1920s and 30s…
  
  *Also- The next person to tell me I don’t understand my ‘White Privilege’ is going to get a fucking earful…
  Ignorant dickheads.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:31am
- DigNap15
  
  Chile was doing very well until they started a welfare program.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:34am
- waikatogirl
  
  Wonderful!!!! Making the left an irrelevance will drive them nuts.
  
  I want to know what the current cost of the 136 working group conversations along with the accommodation and catering is currently? All the COL sycophants “yackerty-yack” with nothing achieved to date. What is the cost to the taxpayer??? ? ?
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    making left an irrelevance
    
    They have become irrelevant to blue-collar workers…
    once the backbone of the Left.
    
    The Left has become confused by identity and tribal politics and can’t sort itself out from the mess it has created by thinking one group of working folk has privilege over another.
    
    The Left is not united: it is a morass of bickering factions.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:41am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW,
      
      “They have become irrelevant to blue-collar workers…
      once the backbone of the Left.”
      
      Here in NZ? And in the US in the process becoming irrelevant due to robotics and AI
      
      https://theoutline.com/post/1120/ai-and-automation-are-about-to-implode-us-blue-collar-jobs-trump-has-no-plan?zd=1&zi=ai2sjidd
      
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      August 17, 2018 11:03am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Show me one Labour MP with Trade Qualifications and experience on the shop floor (if you know what that means).
        https://www.labour.org.nz/ourteam
        
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        August 17, 2018 11:14am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Employing all those robots is dropping the unemployment numbers in the USA.
        Lowest ever unemployment amongst women, blacks, hispanics, overall.
        
        Who knew robots were included in the count?
        
        No I’m not providing a reference.
        Look it up yourself.
        
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        August 17, 2018 4:14pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    The left aren’t irrelevant though, are they? They are in government and they are very relevant because they have it in their power to ruin our country and fuck with everyone’s lives. Not at all irrelevant….. 🙁
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:56am
  - VicParking
    
    No more plastic Bags. What am I going to put my Glue into.
    
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    August 17, 2018 3:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Who lack the common sense of the Right.” ?
  
  You?
  
  LOL
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:01am
- MCos
  
  I am white
  I am male
  Nobody refers to me as a senior because that’s an America label.
  If you want to refer to yourself as right wing, suit yourself, but be prepared to defend that position when it’s clearly wrong.
  That sort of intransigence is painfully on display occasionally in parliament when someone must defend something they obviously disagree with.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:50am
Jack5

Family and friends of the Sudanese Muslim who drove a car into cyclists and pedestrians in London are claiming he just panicked.

Meanwhile,it seems he is refusing to co-operate with police.

Deny, deny, deny …. divert, divert, divert…

They’re now old extremist Islamic tactics.

With this attack, and the Sudanese gang warfare in Melbourne, is our Government going to protect us by refusing to accept Sudanese refugees?

There are better ways to prop up our golf clubs,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/16/westminster-terror-suspect-had-received-british-passport-two/

Islamic terror planner in NZ sentenced to probation with golf lessons:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103168707/Supervised-golf-for-Christchurch-teenager-who-planned-terrorist-attack
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August 17, 2018 9:20am
- Scott
  
  Yes, the tactics have now been well worked out. First of all you minimise the tragedy and you label the Muslim terrorist as a “lone wolf” without once mentioning his Islamic faith as a contributing factor.
  Then you mouth some platitudes about we will stay stronger together and light a few candles.
  Above all you voice concern about the compelling problem of Islamaphobia and look for any signs of people voicing concern about the huge number of potential Muslim terrorists in their midst.
  
  Then you cheerfully forget about the incident and do absolutely nothing to address the elephant in the room. The elephant in the room is that Islam properly understood is incompatible with Western civilisation.
  
  Rather than being victims, Muslims see themselves as conquerors who will outbreed the native population, build huge mosques with overseas funds and agitate for the implementation of sharia law.
  
  We need to take action now by drastically limiting Muslim immigration. Otherwise we can expect in a few years the same problems that Britain is having now.
  
  And that would be a shame because it is not as if we have not been warned by what is happening with Muslim terrorism in Britain and Europe.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:04am
  - GoVege
    
    Not easy to speak out, Scott.
    They used to say “cancer ” was the most feared word in the English language.
    Now it is surely “racist”.
    And in Britain you get jailed for it.
    Here we are more fortunate.
    We only get closed down amid bomb threats.
    
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    August 17, 2018 12:54pm
    - VicParking
      
      If you want to speak the unspeakable its “Racist Hate Speech” like ‘They look like letter boxes”
      
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      August 17, 2018 3:16pm
cmm

cmm’s handy hint for the long sighted:

As you get older, chances are you get more long sighted and find you need your glasses to read any detail. It’s a bugger when you don’t have your glasses handy.

Luckily there is a way to read without your glasses. Just make a small hole and look through that.

For example, close your thumb against your index finger until there’s a tiny hole of approx 2mm across.

Now put your eye about 2cm away from the hole and look through the hole. Adjust your distance from what you are looking at until you get it in focus. For me that’s about 5cm to 40cm.

What has happened is you have basically constructed a pin hole (as in pin hole camera) which removes the multiple light paths which cause blurring.

Not as good as glasses, but helps you out in a pinch!
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August 17, 2018 9:26am
- waikatogirl
  
  It works! Excellent. Thanks cmm. ?
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:47am
  - cmm
    
    Looks like it doesn’t work for stephie…. Oops!
    
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    August 17, 2018 12:57pm
- Fletch
  
  Yup, my folks used to have these plastic pinhole glasses that were advertised as helping to improve your vision if you wore them for certain periods every day. Where the lenses should have been they were basically solid plastic with a lot of pinholes in them.
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:25am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Don’t try this while driving, the guy behind thinks you are on your phone and gets pissed off
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:50am
secondcumming

*BREAKING!!*

https://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/baby-neve-s-first-ever-radio-interview/
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August 17, 2018 9:33am
- Longknives
  
  Make it Stop! Fucking please….
  
  (That poor fucking kid- This has to be bordering on Child Abuse)
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:39am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes she is utterly sick in the head, yet at the same time she wants to make it illegal to photograph her with bubs when it doesn’t suit her agenda.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:16am
- cmm
  
  That kid it such a squirrel it probably has a tail.
  
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  August 17, 2018 9:42am
  - sooty
    
    Well it don’t have any nuts!
    
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    August 17, 2018 1:29pm
Left Right and Centre

I enjoy putting food in my mouth all day.

And don’t try to fat shame me because . . . I’ve got . . .
(google search)

Lipedema !!
Skip to 2’20” to see fat moron US woman blame her enormous size on a condition which affects the way fat is distributed disproportionately.

Cold hard truth is that her only problem is the way food is distributed in her mouth. It’s called diseases of affluence.

Does she think she’d look sexy if all of that great bulk was ‘evenly spread’ on her frame ?
What does she eat and drink each day ? Is it . . . enough for a family ?
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August 17, 2018 9:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My very old cat has a lipoma on her paw.
  https://www.cat-world.com.au/lipomas-in-cats.html
  
  Over the last 6 years it had grown to the size and shape of a pea…. it hadn’t troubled her…but since Christmas it had seemed to be a bit bigger…
  Then a couple of weeks ago, we came inside and as we walked past lolling old cat, Hubby says “what’s that dreadful smell?”
  We looked down to see a little puddle of grey gunk on the carpet and an open wound on cat’s paw where the lipoma was…
  Seems all the fat cells must have got septic…and erupted..
  Cat licked wound clean (with a bit of TLC from me) and is now just a wee bump on her paw.
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Should have gone to the VC of Massey Uni her only expertise is being a qualified Vet.
    
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    August 17, 2018 1:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hahahaha…
      I’m sure The in-laws kept Massey Vet School going with their 23 poodles…
      They were always sending the snappy wee things for ghastly operations (debarking!).
      My old cat has used up her Vet-fee allocation.. she’s well past her use-by date.
      
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      August 17, 2018 2:10pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Sorry to hear that Maggy, it is pure sadness losing a favourite pet. Extra cuddles with her in the meantime. ?
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:57pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The input hole is bigger than the output hole, simple really
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Size does not matter! One hole is working harder than the other . . . .
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:53am
- lofty
  
  You uncaring individual you…it is obvious the poor women has a gland problem…salivary gland..??????????
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:24am
Fletch

In case you missed my late comment last night, the euthanasia bill is denied in the Australian Senate after a number of senators reversed their decisions.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/15/euthanasia-bill-in-doubt-as-two-senators-reverse-position

Very wise.
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August 17, 2018 10:08am
- Inandout
  
  Commonly known as The Kill Bill, lol.
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:16am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    In the case of New Zealand it looks as though Bill is trying to kill the Kill Bill
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:47am
Manolo

The Dow goes up almost 400 points on sentiment:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/us-markets-us-china-trade-developments-earnings-data-in-focus.html

National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow confirmed to CNBC earlier reports saying China and the U.S. will hold a fresh round of trade talks later in August, giving investors hope that the two world’s largest economies can solve an ongoing trade spat.
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August 17, 2018 10:14am
- Prince
  
  Meanwhile in post-capitalism NZ, having banned foreign investors and shut down local industries, we now rely on Lotto winners to fund sewerage schemes.
  Racing Venezuela to the bottom.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106312265/lotto-winner-could-pay-for-new-central-otago-sewerage-scheme?rm=m
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:20am
  - Prince
    
    Actually the Govt could start a new game show.
    
    BLOTTO. Shane and Winston could appear every Saturday night with their lovely assistant Jacinda, drawing out one postal code for a prize of $50 mil to the local council
    
    Would make as much sense as them poncing around the country spraying our money about to buy favours.
    
    Where are Mcphail and Gadsby when you need them.
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:02am
Manolo

When the shoe is in the other foot:
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/402216-democratic-state-senate-candidate-called-asian-opponent-ching-chong

A Democratic legislator in Michigan running for the state senate is under fire for allegedly referring to her Asian election opponent as “ching-chang” and “ching-chong.”

Rep. Bettie Cook Scott (D) is accused of making the remarks to voters outside polling stations during this week’s primaries, according to the Detroit Metro Times.
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August 17, 2018 10:43am
labrator

Did I miss where Kimbo was banned or did he quit?
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August 17, 2018 10:53am
- stephieboy
  
  labrator, I understand he is unwell likely associated with his oesophagus cancer.
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:58am
  - Inandout
    
    He is a ?
    
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    August 17, 2018 11:01am
Woz

OMFG. These poor poor people. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12108387
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August 17, 2018 10:53am
- RalphT
  
  Mmm. M&S and Priceline addictions, $100 a week on wine; coffees, takeaways, fancy teas, skiing holidays. I think I could make a few suggestions to help out the poor petal.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:14am
  - Woz
    
    Perhaps the link should be posted on a teachers’ Facebook page or something, to show them what true hardship really looks like.
    
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    August 17, 2018 12:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone missing a relative on Crete?
“I found the body of a New Zealand soldier, eight years ago,” Tripalitakis told me. “My metal detector got set off by the ammunition still on him. I think he had been buried by colleagues in a shallow grave. It was a shock to uncover it, but I actually felt happy to have found him, because I knew he could now get the proper burial and grave he deserved.” Tripalitakis called the police, who took the body for DNA testing. Since then, Tripalitakis has been desperately trying to find the man’s identity. “I’ve been through all the regiments and narrowed it down to 20 who are still missing,” he said.
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180814-how-crete-changed-the-course-of-world-war-ii
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August 17, 2018 11:08am
- Jack5
  
  An interesting link, Maggy. Thank you.
  
  A swathe of Kiwi soldiers are in the war cemetery at Suda Bay, Crete.
  
  I know of one wounded NZ soldier, hidden under a sheet of iron until his comrades were able to return for him at night. It must have been quite desperate fighting, much of it hand to hand.
  
  The NZ volunteers in the early stages of World War 2 had a rough time, in Greece, Crete, and North Africa, when the Germans and Italians still had air superiority. For New Zealanders, Crete was a micro-Stalingrad, but fortunately the Royal Navy was able to get most of the survivors out.
  
  The Cretan people were heroes, taking huge risks to help Commonwealth soldiers stranded after the evacuation.
  
  Austen Deans, the war artist from the well known Canterbury pioneer and rugby family, was taken prisoner on Crete and gave an interesting interview with Kathryn Ryan on RNZ. He told of Army surgeons in a cave borrowing kitchen knives from Cretans, sharpening them and then using them for surgery.
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I would have thought that the NZ Defence Force or our War Graves Commission would have been on to this when the Body was first located.
    Shouldn’t be to difficult to work out which Bn the Soldier was from.
    
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    August 17, 2018 2:06pm
RalphT

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August 17, 2018 11:12am
DigNap15

The more you earn, the more you spend.
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August 17, 2018 11:14am
graham

Oh, the hurt is strong …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/106317905/editorial-the-media-is-not-the-enemy

“We’re NOT the bad guys, we’re NOT I tell you!”

Attacks on media were so frequent and hostile that the Committee to Protect Journalists declared Trump “an unprecedented threat” to the rights of journalists and press freedom generally.

What are these guys smoking? An “unprecedented threat”? They’re kidding, right? Please tell me they’re kidding.

As far as we know, Trump has not called Stuff and its newspapers “enemies of the people”. But we also take this opportunity to reiterate the importance of an independent press. New Zealand has had its own autocratic attacks on the media, whether it was prime minister Robert Muldoon removing journalist and cartoonist Tom Scott from his weekly press conference in 1982, or censorship of the media during the 1951 waterfront strike.

The poor wee petals … the hurt, the hurt …
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August 17, 2018 11:27am
- Fletch
  
  Heh. And I notice that almost all the comments are anti-media and agree that Trump has been the victim of bias in the news.
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:12pm
Justitia

Will the squabbling among Pol Pot’s children split the Green Party this weekend? Are Marama’s Marxists ready to stiff the tree-huggers?
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August 17, 2018 11:38am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Let’s hope so. I can’t imagine anything more satisfying than the Greens and NZF exploding at the same time.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, you have to consider that it is Matthew Hooton putting this story about
  Matthew Hooton: Cracks in the Green revolution
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12108253
  
  I would prefer to hear from someone who has some long-term connections into the Green hierarchy.
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:47am
- cmm
  
  Naah.
  
  The smart money is on Metiria Turei coming back, uniting them and leading them to victory!
  
  Victory as defined by the Greens: 3% of the vote.
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:54pm
waikatogirl

What’s happening with Wally? How long is this enquiry into his appointment going to take?
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August 17, 2018 11:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t know
  
  but Rosemary McLeod has come out with an interpretation that will not prove popular in some quarters.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/106315821/mcleod-nicholas-role-in-the-haumaha-controversy-leaves-me-uneasy
  
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  August 17, 2018 11:52am
- VicParking
  
  Talking about lost (arse) souls (holes) Were is James Shaw? Has mummy and mummy sent him to his bedroom without Turei.
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:26pm
secondcumming

HOW SAD IS THIS? …… ABC News reports:

After a 50 year battle, a *dying man* finally receives $1,000,000 compensation for the sexual and physical abuse he suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church!

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1030019439779958784

How many similar cases to this are still waiting to be settled in this country I wonder??
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August 17, 2018 11:48am
graham

And more hurt feelings from the poor wee petals at the NZ Herald.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12108577

Writing about the carefully orchestrated media campaign, where “hundreds of newspaper editorial boards across the country answered a nationwide call Thursday to express disdain for President Donald Trump’s attacks on the news media”, the NZ Herald chose to use this headline on their website front page:

“Trump’s astonishing meltdown over ‘fake news'”

This so-called “astonishing meltdown” is nothing more than Trump doing what he always does – responding by tweet. I guess they didn’t like him tweeting that much of the media is pushing a political agenda.

Personally I think what’s more astonishing is the sheer amount of time, effort, and money that THE MEDIA have put into this co-ordinated vendetta against Trump.

The truth hurts …
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August 17, 2018 12:01pm
- UpandComer
  
  It’s the media proving they aren’t colluding by forming a group and criticising Trump at the same time.
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:02pm
- kevn
  
  @graham… Of course the reason Trump tweets is to sidestep any media re-jigging/editing his press releases.
  In light of this, of course the MSM are peeved. Tweeting is comms direct to the people.
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:25pm
  - graham
    
    Exactly! The media HATE it!
    
    “The President is doing what? He … he … he’s talking TO THE PEOPLE?! DIRECTLY?! Without going through us?! But that’s just, just, WRONG!”
    
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    August 17, 2018 12:38pm
stephieboy

Before rabid righters go off and hog theirKFC Colonels Lunch consider this ,

Donald Trump responds after hundreds of newspaper editorials criticise his attacks on the press

“Today in the United States we have a president who has created a mantra that members of the media who do not blatantly support the policies of the current US administration are the ‘enemy of the people,'” read the Globe’s editorial, which published online Wednesday. “This is one of the many lies that have been thrown out by this president, much like an old-time charlatan threw out ‘magic’ dust or water on a hopeful crowd.”

The Globe’s editorial board made the appeal last week, urging newspaper editorial boards to produce opinion pieces about Trump’s attacks on the media. These boards, staffed by opinion writers, operate independently from news reporters and editors.

As The Washington Post’s policy explains, the separation is intended to serve the reader, “who is entitled to the facts in the news columns and to opinions on the editorial and ‘op-ed’ pages.”

The Globe reported Thursday that more than 300 of them obliged.
Also Thursday, the Senate unanimously passed a resolution that “affirms the press is not the enemy of the people” and “condemns the attacks on the institution of the free press.”

Trump responded to the editorials, tweeting Thursday that the Globe is “in collusion with other papers on free press” and that much of the media is “pushing a political agenda.”

Trump also tweeted: “There is nothing that I would want more for our Country than true FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. The fact is that the Press is FREE to write and say anything it wants, but much of what it says is FAKE NEWS, pushing a political agenda or just plain trying to hurt people. HONESTY WINS!”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12108577
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August 17, 2018 12:11pm
- Fletch
  
  Trump is correct though. If I see a story in the mainstream media regarding Trump, I know that it has very heavy spin on it at best or is likely totally fake at worst. I have to go online to get the facts.
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:46pm
- UpandComer
  
  The media prove they aren’t colluding by engaging in mass collusion.
  
  The media are the enemy of the American nation.
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:24pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And not just the American nation.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:30pm
Fletch

I heard on the radio that Tonga now wants China for forgive its debts because it is scared that China might come in and take assets if they can’t pay. Well, DUH….

https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/364111/tonga-s-pm-wants-regional-push-for-china-to-forgive-debts

I remember people saying at the time that it was a bad idea of PI nations to borrow money from China, but of course they were too dumb to listen.
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August 17, 2018 12:24pm
- GoVege
  
  Wonder where all the Chinese money went??
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:37pm
  - Komata
    
    Gv: Probably to Zurich or the Caymans. It’s not unknown..
    
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    August 17, 2018 8:27pm
- KevOB
  
  What have they spent it on?
  
  Lenders can be free with favours when they expect to gain on the default.
  
  Will Samoa be next?
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:14pm
- Komata
  
  Fletch: This all sounds very familiar and would seem to point to Tonga becoming the Zimbabwe of the South Pacific. The Chinese have form in such matters.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:25pm
Brigitte

Just been pondering. If:

Sports news is news about sports
and
Overseas news is news about overseas events
then
what would be a reasonable definition of
Fake news?
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August 17, 2018 12:26pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The journalists/reporters/repeaters and the left leaning/biased MSM have shit in their own nests, and now they are squealing like stuck pigs. Fuck them
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:36pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  If you don’t know by now, Brigitte, you never will.
  A sack of hammers comes to mind.
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:41pm
- kowtow
  
  “Sports” news is actually advertising for the big “sports” apparel clothing makers and commercial sponsors of whatever event is covered.
  
  Overseas news is what the media want to present to us ie save a Syrian (bugger the Yemenis) , Brexit bad / EU good , a drought in Aussie or South Africa is caused by fat white American Republican voting males eating burgers / while they re enslave their former slaves / keep out Latin American criminals .
  
  And Fake News is what they pump out daily about Trump and Putin.
  
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  August 17, 2018 12:45pm
cha

Oh dear, as many as 200 recordings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/us/politics/omarosa-manigault-newman-lara-trump-tape.html
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August 17, 2018 12:50pm
- Inandout
  
  She is quite mad and should go back to reality TV. Why Trump hired her is beyond belief. She is now wide open to be arrested for breaching the US version of our Official Information legislation.
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:51pm
  - cha
    
    Why Trump hired her is beyond belief.
    
    Have a listen to the Lara tRump Omarosa recording.
    
    LISTEN: Omarosa's secret recording of a call she had with Lara Trump in which they discuss Omarosa's potential salary if she came to work for the Trump campaign.At one point, Trump cautions her that she would have to remain "positive" about Donald Trump if she takes the job. pic.twitter.com/NdMNxfMLvK— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 16, 2018
    
    breaching the US version of our Official Information legislation.
    
    The day to day goings on in the White House are part of the public record.
    
    Also, I doubt the woman had the security clearances to be anywhere near a state secret to record, but if she was, heads should roll and her’s probably won’t be among them.
    
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    August 17, 2018 2:07pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Uhuh
      So an employee can’t publically criticise the boss!
      Shock horror.
      Hey, can’t wait to see your criticism of Winston wanting to fine people $300,000 if they just leave!
      
      Crickets….
      Btw, you do realise Omarosa worked for Bill Clinton. Did she have security clearance then?
      Heads rolling and all that
      
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      August 17, 2018 2:20pm
      - cha
        
        Only the best people.
        
        https://people.com/celebrity/omarosas-long-history-of-being-fired/
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:26pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        cha
        AoR enjoys playing “heads-I-win, tails-you-lose”. Hiring a reality show villain was a better choice than any of those establishment swamp dwellers. Firing her is just more winning, if those damn ‘libruls’ take anything the snowflake says seriously.
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cha likes playing ‘look look look’ at much ado about nothing.
        Mikey just likes playing with his c**k
        
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        August 17, 2018 2:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        AoR, we can see where this is going. You should just ask to meet me if you want to see my cock. Don’t sit there fantasising about me playing with myself. Is it so difficult to come to terms with your sexuality?
        
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        August 17, 2018 3:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        nah Mikey. I doubt yours would count as one of the wonders of the world.
        Although your dick probably ‘wonders’ if it will ever get laid again.
        
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        August 17, 2018 3:18pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Remaining positive to the candidate would be a standard requirement in a job like that.
      Have a friend who was interviewed for a job in an MPs electorate office in NZ who was asked if they were supporters of the party and the MP.
      Seems a perfectly reasonable question.
      You wouldn’t get a job at a mosque unless you were Muslim, as a butcher if you were a militant vegetarian, or a soldier if you were Hager.
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:21pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I love all the video of her saying how much she loves Trump and how Trump is such a great supporter of African Americans.
    It’s quite funny watching her- and of course all the Leftie effwits who now cling to her every word.
    
    Speaking of ‘Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman’, what about the ‘beautiful’ Lisa Page?
    Ex mistress of Peter Strozk. Apparently she’s singing like a canary about the collusion frame up and conspiracy.
    
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    August 17, 2018 2:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Guess she forgot about these tapes’
      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/16/president_trump_tweets_montage_of_omarosa_during_the_campaign.html
      
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      August 17, 2018 2:24pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Speaking of the charming Mr Strzok, why has no one mentioned his wife?
      
      https://brassballs.blog/home/peter-strzoks-insurance-policy-is-his-wife-sec-director-melissa-hodgman-who-has-blocked-the-fbis-investigation-of-the-clinton-foundation-for-21-months-and-counting
      
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      August 17, 2018 10:27pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106353278/winston-peters-says-simon-bridges-tried-to-poach-his-mp-ron-mark

National wanted to poach Mark….. Yeah right!
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August 17, 2018 1:00pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “The leader of the National Party, Simon Bridges, has been talking to members of my caucus about how they might jump the ship and stay on, doing a deal with them. This is how bad and how rotten it is,” Peters told Newstalk ZB.
  
  Yeah, right oh! Peters is projecting. Kind of shit he would claim to muddy the waters. Anything to undermine Simon and National. Peters is rattled by Simon so he is upping the pressure. Simon has dealt with manipulative criminals so Peters is pissing into the wind in his attempt. ?
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:37pm
  - Inandout
    
    Peters, the man never elected from a party of Lists.
    
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    August 17, 2018 1:54pm
  - KevOB
    
    Peters is till on a vendetta against being ejected from National. Yesterday in QT he managed to get Nick Smith to confirm that Nick had no part in it. This with Mr Speaker’s help.
    
    Winston is showing up as a nasty piece of work.
    He has passed his use by date.
    
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    August 17, 2018 3:03pm
- KevOB
  
  Peters is hallucinating.
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:08pm
Manolo

Et tu, Brute?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/simon-bridges-expenses-leak-chatter-centred-on-national-mp/ar-BBM1G52
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August 17, 2018 1:04pm
Chuck Bird

I hope we get to find the details soon. I hope he gets compensation and if it can be proved his partner lies I bet nothing happens to her.

Napier man free after being wrongfully jailed – domestic and sexual abuse convictions and sentence quashed

A Napier man has walked free after a two-and-a-half year ordeal in which he was wrongfully sentenced to 11 years in jail for allegations of domestic and sexual abuse made by his partner.

Timothy Hebberley, who was 21 when the sentence was imposed in May 2017 despite his denials and split verdicts at a trial earlier that year, won an appeal when the convictions and sentence were quashed in the Court of Appeal three weeks ago.

He was released immediately on bail pending decisions on a retrial, but in the High Court in Napier today prosecutor Jo Reilly revealed the Crown was not proceeding and Hebberley was discharged on all counts.

The Court of Appeal decision, suppressed pending the outcome, was not immediately available but the Appeal was based on new evidence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12108739
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August 17, 2018 1:09pm
- Longknives
  
  No chance Chuck.
  
  When my good friend was cleared of Rape, and the complainant finally admitted she had told a web of lies to save her relationship with another party, he (having been through hell on earth) and his lawyer asked Police if she would be face any consequences?
  A- ‘In the current Political Climate it is not in the Public Interest..’
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:23pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  That’s where jungle justice comes in, I’m afraid…. The woman’s name needs to be splashed far and wide, on every forum, every medium. Society needs to know that she is a lying bitch and man hater, and treat her appropriately.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:12pm
UpandComer

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/08/muslim-woman-who-refused-to-shake-hands-wins-discrimination-case.html

A muslim women in Sweden refuses to shake hands with a non-muslim. Court rules the man who asked for her to shake his hand as he was about to give her a job discriminated against her. Gave him a large fine.

In Sweden, if a man asks a muslim woman to shake his hand, it’s discrimination. But when the muslim men rape the non-muslim women, it’s at worst a cultural misunderstanding, but really discrimination by the woman for resisting an advance.

The clear implication from the ruling is that muslims are quite literally untoucable by dirty filthy Kaffir non-muslims. You have to do the Klingon salute or nothing.

This is why as I was saying before, in 5-8 years feminism will not be evident in Sweden. These were feminist judges. By 2035 I would also be surprised if there are more then a few thousand muslims left in all of Sweden.

The SD is going to get minimum 20%, and could get 30%. If they aren’t allowed to be in government, next election there probably won’t be any other political parties.

The man was about to give her a job – which is an extremely rare thing for a muslim female welfare recipient. And instead of shaking his hand as is the custom of the nation she is luck enough to reside in, she sued him for discriminating against her for interviewing her for a job.

What can you say? And Newshub supports this; it is absolutely clear from the tone and framing of the article.
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August 17, 2018 1:21pm
- UpandComer
  
  And before anyone soils their britches all I mean is that there will be return to country of origin policies.
  
  It’s not going to work. It’s unworkable. If a man giving a job to a muslim woman gets fined for asking to shake her hand for discrimination, it’s an untenable cultural relationship. Not going to work.
  
  Anyway, I’m sure the SD will get no votes. I’m sure I’m wrong.
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Look to Switzerland to see how they deal with the issue.
    It’s in marked contrast.
    They consider shaking hands part of their culture so it has to be complied with.
    Check out the Local Residents veto of Citizenship if they feel you haven’t assimilated too.
    
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    August 17, 2018 2:05pm
Philview

I read Trevor Mallard’s comments this morning on the leaked National expenses. He said that the protection of journalistic integrity around their sources will be a high priority. Very thoughtful of you Trevor! The article also raised the issue of National having to sack an MP which will give them a big problem related to their stance on the “Waka” Bill. A strangely well timed episode which doesn’t meet the smell test for coincidence.
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August 17, 2018 1:42pm
Notsofast

10 months since the Lundy appeal. Do any lawyers or anyone have ideas why it is taking this record length to deliver a judgement?
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August 17, 2018 1:47pm
- Longknives
  
  I think the list of folk losing any sleep about Mark Lundy rotting in a Prison Cell might be pretty small?
  Probably you and Mark Lundy…
  
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  August 17, 2018 1:50pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Trying to make a word out these letters: LYTGIU?
  
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  August 17, 2018 5:42pm
- Notsofast
  
  Yes someone is guilty. Scott Beard might take an interest in the male dna under Christine Lundy’s fingernails that is not her husband’s, but that of her killer.
  He is solving the Japanese case with identical evidence.
  The owner of that dna may be losing sleep LongKnives.
  
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  August 17, 2018 5:49pm
graham

In light of the serious amount of butt-hurt in the media about how that nasty Donald Trump is solely responsible for the public turning on them, I went looking and found a Gallup poll.

This Gallup poll, conducted in December 2017, showed that just 25% of respondents rated the honesty and ethical standards of newspaper reporters as high or very high, and only 23% rated TV reporters the same.

But is that Trump’s doing? Well, no, actually.

When you look at the Gallup poll trend, newspaper reporters have CONSISTENTLY scored low. Their honesty and ethical standards were rated as high/very high by just 21% of respondents in 2004, 22% in 2007, 22% in 2010, 21% in 2013, 25% in 2017.

And TV reporters have also consistently scored low. 23% in 2004, 23% in 2007, 23% in 2010, 20% in 2013, 23% in 2017.

https://news.gallup.com/file/poll/224645/171226HonestyEthics.pdf

Reporters have been mistrusted for years before Trump came on the scene. In fact, looking at the figures, the trust rating for newspaper reporters has gone UP since Trump was elected!

These guys and gals ought to be thanking Trump for improving their ratings!
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August 17, 2018 1:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Does that mean that trust in journalism is being restored by Trump’s obvious lies about the news media?
  
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  August 17, 2018 2:31pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Maybe it is being restored by over 300 news outlets combining for a concerted attack on Trump in order to refute the assertion that the media have any bias against Trump.
    
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    August 17, 2018 3:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Bad advertising is still advertising. CNN et all should be thanking Trump. As for Acosta, he is a POS who goes crying to the night shows, ffs. No fucking class at all man.
  Bottom line is, how low would the ratings be if Trump was not using Twitter? At least with Twitter he gets to his audience before the MSM fuck with it
  
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  August 17, 2018 4:28pm
DigNap15

Goverment Families handouts not enough?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106350449/government-monitoring-families-package-impact-amid-heartbreaking-deprivation

They will never be enough. Best to stop people having children they cannot afford in the first place

Also it would be better to try to reduce our high cost of living, housing, electricity, rates, food, petrol.
That way we will all be better off.
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August 17, 2018 1:51pm
UpandComer

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-16/new-mexico-jihad-compound-mysteriously-destroyed-authorities

Oh, and while we’re at it.

“The son of a prominent Brooklyn Imam, praised by Women’s March founder Linda Sarsour as her mentor, was training children in New Mexico to become terrorists who commit mass murder, domestically”.

New Mexico authorities have destroyed a remote compound where the son of a famous Muslim Imam ritually satanically murdered his son and was training kidnapped sexually abused children to conduct school shootings.

Who was the judge who ordered the perps to receive bail without conditions – a feminist judge, called Sarah Backus. A DNC appointee.

Isn’t it interesting that Alex Jones gets taken off the air for questioning Sandy Hook, just when a compound is discovered where government sponsored muslim terrorists were training child shooters.

The FBI knew about the compound for months and did nothing. That’s surprising, and yet not surprising.

Why would you destroy evidence of terrorism, child abuse, and of officially sanctioned child shootings?

Because the kid that got ritually sacrificed was the grandson of Imam Siraj Wahhaj. He is the Imam of the DNC presidential candidate Linda Sarsour. Linda Sarsour was very close to the Obama whitehouse. Linda Sarsour is a leading feminist worldwide.

Did you know that John Brennan is a Wahhabi muslim convert? That was why so many people abstained or opposed his nomination to become a CIA Director, like Rand Paul and even Democrats. Because he’s a literal muslim extremist. I hope he ends up in Guantanamo with his friends. But remember, Obama was a Christian.

Why oh why, is this not reported in the media?

Because the media is the enemy of the United States of America. They are the enemy of truth. They are the enemy of the good. Eventually, they will get what is coming to them.
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August 17, 2018 1:55pm
Inandout

Sweden is almost gone.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12108787
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August 17, 2018 1:56pm
- Manolo
  
  stephieboy would approve, wouldn’t he? 🙂
  
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  August 17, 2018 2:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have no problem with someone refusing to shake my hand if there is some acknowledgement of a greeting… Saying Hello, nice to meet you, or a slight bow (Asian way,) or a hand over heart (Muslim).
  
  I’m not a great fan of hongi (which is usually a kiss for old ladies) for first meetings, but When in ~~Rome~~ Kaiti…
  
  It’s the total lack of acknowledgement that pisses me off…
  Happened once when a Father of a pupil refused to shake my offered hand, and once when a Farmer refused to acknowledge me and replied to my questions via my male driver.
  
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  August 17, 2018 2:49pm
  - Inandout
    
    If you watch “The Chase’ you will occasionally see a Muslim woman contestant, and there are no handshakes from Bradley. I have also observed Bradley pulling back from touching the contestant, and on one show a Muslim woman looked toward the audience as if to get male approval. It is a given a male Muslim would be her chaperone. All in all the show’s usual good natured banter was missing.
    
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    August 17, 2018 3:07pm
    - OTGO
      
      I love that show. It’s the one after that gives me the shits.
      
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      August 17, 2018 3:55pm
      - Inandout
        
        Me too, all day long.
        
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        August 17, 2018 4:10pm
      - Longknives
        
        I quickly turn off and go back to the Internet before TV1’s Jacinda Lovefest begins…
        
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        August 17, 2018 6:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives and coy, with a nice selection of info commercial channels there is hope for you all.
        
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        August 17, 2018 6:54pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Like the time I was with a male PhD student and we were being introduced to a surgeon (by my collaborator – another surgeon) for the first time. And he said to us both: “Its nice to meet you but I was hoping that the Associate Professor would be here.” So you’re the Post Doc (to PhD student) and you’re clearly a PhD student or Tech (to me), what’s your boss like?
    
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    August 17, 2018 4:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hahahaha…
      I was leading a day field trip…
      Folks were coming from PN, Levin & Wellington Region… All due to meet at some Bush reserve at allocated hour…
      I got there early and started chatting to folks as they arrived, then about 10 min after meeting time, I biffed my kid into her backpack and told folks we were setting off.
      
      “Oh”, said one of the attendees, “shouldn’t we wait for Dr Wassilieff”….
      
      “She’s here”, I said.
      
      “She?”, the poor soul queried.
      
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      August 17, 2018 5:54pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Rock on Maggy.
        
        I get it (wish I didn’t).
        
        Lets hope the next Gens don’t have to put up with that shit (but they will).
        
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        August 17, 2018 5:58pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I would be a bit concerned about shaking a Muslims hand as many use their fingers rather than toilet paper to wipe their arse.
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Left hand only for cleaning anus and genitals, Chuck.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_toilet_etiquette
    
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    August 17, 2018 3:58pm
    - Inandout
      
      Bloody hell, what a strange religion.
      
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      August 17, 2018 4:12pm
    - nasska
      
      Which hand do the smelly bastards use to make kebabs?
      
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      August 17, 2018 5:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Lots of older/poorer indians too.
    
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    August 17, 2018 5:14pm
softail 1450

Paddy and Sean were wondering around a cemetery reading the headstones ,Sean says “jeez Paddy there’s a guy here that was 156 years old”
Shit says paddy whats his name?
Miles, from London, says Sean
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August 17, 2018 2:35pm
NZDirect

I’ve had it with Teachers – they are not helped by a union that drives a nationwide policy when the issues are in many cases unique to Auckland, BOP etc. A teacher on 70K in Nelson or Invercargill is in a lot better situation that one in Auckland on the same. It also does not help that unions have forced the pay scale to be stove piped based on tenure and qualifications when every parent who is engaged in their child’s education knows who the good teachers at their school are, irrespective of qualifications and tenure. The ongoing PC approach within schools has also driven out 50% of the population from entering the profession – what man in his right mind would want to enter teaching and be accused of harassment, bullying, racism, #metoo etc. The ratio is something
like 12 or 15:1 dependent on location. Sorry all you loony lefties, you created this gender imbalance so as parents we now are expected to just suck it up and pay for it and enjoy it. NO – I have no sympathy for the action and despise the strong entitlement mentality of being owed something for the last 9 years – do they really expect parents/public to accept that they received no salary adjustment for 9 years? What was their beloved union doing for 9 years then? If you adjust the salaries for the actual working weeks (working on premises and accounting for term breaks), then it is about 15% higher salaries than stated. Given they are asking for 16%, I think we could agree that it is already built in there and simply get back to work.
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August 17, 2018 2:38pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes this Auckland thing is a joke.
  Why do people get paid more there.
  If they got paid the same as everywhere else, then prices of houses would fall
  
  PS This is why Angry Andy union bill has got to be stopped. They want the same pay in every workplace all over NZ
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:46pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  As a teacher, I have to largely agree with many of your points, especially around the unions. The reason that the unions have raised their heads now is that they see a sympathetic and weak government, the irony is that teachers got better deals under National Governments than Labour. I, however, don’t give a fuck about their PC bullshit, metoo# crap or other leftist crap and pay lipservice to the enforced treaty adulation. I also, however, keep my trap shut and never discuss politics. Having said all that I fully hope the unions cause mayhem over the next few weeks, just to see SLG and fuck face Hipkins get “annoyed”. I’d support performance pay if it could be realistically managed, and an Auckland supplement. The ministry also needs to get rid of the tedious paperwork.
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:04pm
All_on_Red

But but but we had numerous people on here assure us that vetting of Refugees from overseas was rigorous and thorough.

‘Ameen was allegedly a member of ISIS. In 2004, before the rise of that brutal terror group, Ameen and his family helped start AQI, according to the DOJ. In addition to allegedly killing an Iraqi police officer, Ameen is suspected of planting IEDs and committing terrorist acts near his hometown of Rawah.
But Ameen appears not to have faced any rigorous questioning from the U.S. government about terror links and his criminal activities. Instead, he simply answered “no” to questions about his alleged ISIS and al-Qaeda links while inventing a false narrative about his father and brother.’
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/16/omar-ameen-refugee/

Simply answered no. Well that’s reassuring
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August 17, 2018 2:52pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Consider this Young Yazidi refugee who is stopped on a German street by her former slave-owner…an ISIS guy who had been given refugee status also.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6067379/Yazidi-former-sex-slave-came-face-face-ISIS-captor-German-street.html
  
  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/yazidi-slave-girl-meets-isis-captor-in-german-street-wkj20m3fv
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:22pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    That’s horrific!
    
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    August 17, 2018 4:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That is a beyond contemptibly weak response from the authorities.
    
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    August 17, 2018 5:12pm
UpandComer

Remember how I said Minnesota’s new Congresswomen to replace Keith Ellison (who lost it for substantiated allegations of beating and raping his wife) is a Somali woman? How that demonstrates that non-European identities will never ever stop practising identity politics?
That it will necessitate white identity politics in response? For self-preservation?

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/state-rep-ilhan-omar-d-mn-swore-to-apparent-falsehoods-in-court-while-divorcing-her-alleged-brother/

lhan Omar married her brother. Then she committed perjury about it in court. And it seems she committed incest with her brother, then lied about the incest. So she’s a bigamist Congresswomen, who almost definitely committed incest.

But the media won’t cover it.

And the DNC have supported her all the way. She beat out Phyllis Kahn, a 22 term rep Jewish DNC member. Which is going to be a continuing and accelerating pattern that she and the other friends of Ted Kennedy didn’t apparently think through, despite that immense IQ advantage I always hear about.

https://www.twincities.com/2011/02/06/somali-community-wants-its-youth-to-look-beyond-gangs/

The Somali community in Minnesota are a gang community. They are gang-bangers.

https://gatesofvienna.net/2014/01/a-fiery-dawn-in-minneapolis/

The Somali community in Minnesota are bomb makers.

https://www.wnd.com/2017/04/measles-outbreak-among-somali-refugees-stretches-minneapolis-health-system/

The Somali community in Minnesota are the source of pandemics.
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August 17, 2018 3:17pm
- Manolo
  
  Low IQ, high criminality. Undesirables!
  
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  August 17, 2018 5:28pm
- Longknives
  
  Mate you should spend some time with Mt Roskill’s Somali Community!
  They are the most inherently criminal people I have ever had the misfortune to meet…Roskill is turning into Little Mogadishu!
  
  *Stephieboy in 5.4.3.2.1….
  
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  August 17, 2018 6:27pm
UpandComer

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269592/violence-paralyzes-minnesota-school-district-olivia-anderson-blythe

They are destroying the entire education system in Minnesota.

https://www.wnd.com/2017/05/minnesota-retreats-from-ban-on-female-genital-mutilation/

They prevented the ban of female genital mutilation. Ilhan Omar would have been central. But unreported.

http://www.startribune.com/first-somali-elected-to-mpls-city-council/230761041/

They now run the councils, which is why female genital mutilation cannot be banned in Minneapolis.

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/news/local_news/santa-gets-the-heave-ho-ho-ho/article_8f5e5be2-ef0b-5750-a05d-feb059b35e6c.html

They ended Santa Clause. So now with a Congresswomen I imagine Jesus will be the next to go.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/05/is-this-the-worst-scandal-minnesota-history/

And of course Ilhan Omar is representing the community that stole bare minimum $100million of welfare tax payers money in cash to send back to Africa for terrorism.

They would create dummy childcare centres with no children in them that all the government officials knew about and claim tax monies for the fake children.

Then they’d use the money for drug and sex trafficking in Africa and in Minnesota.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/05/medicaid-welfare-fraud-extravagant-lifestyles-terror-abroad-senate-calls-investigation/

They colluded with African American officials who worked at the Airports to take over $100m in cash out of the US in suitcases.

It was mass Medicaid fraud. It was mass Medicare fraud.

It was also being run out of the Department of Human Services Programs, where government officials shut down investigations and protected their sources of cash.

County employees are afraid to testify because they’ll get killed.

And it’s been going on for years and years.

And now the Congresswomen for Minnesota, is a Somali who is at the epicentre of all that fraud, graft and government corruption.

Remember how I showed that one half of the economic data government institutions in America provide are wrong?

That’s an example as to why.

So Mikewasmild – that’s the basis for saying the media lie. That’s why Trump is right, and you are wrong. That’s why Trump is going to win a landslide in the 2020 election.

And this is a story repeated all across the United States and all across Europe. And the anger that is building is real anger. Real anger.

So the media should actually adulate Trump. Because he is the only thing standing between them, and unpleasant things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=34&v=j3Nzk1EnN0w

Because this is real life. This happened this year. I don’t support that, it’s reprehensible, and deeply disturbing. But who can blame the Italians, faced with the same fucking shit in their own government from their own immigrant communities stealing bread out of their children’s mouths. I’ve been to Naples. They sit in freezing cold crumbling apartment blocks with intermittent water and electricity and no jobs. In the meantime, the government is forced to pay the European Union billions of dollars, and to take hundreds of thousands of thieves and rapists.

So anyway, I apologise for the unseemly outburst. But I find it aggravating when people like Mikewasmild talk about the honest media, so ignorant of the truth of how badly they lie to the American people, and collude in their literal pillaging. Cash, out the door, in the suitcases of people they took in out of goodness and humanity.
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August 17, 2018 3:34pm
- UpandComer
  
  Everything the media say is a lie by omission, or a positive lie by commission. Including our own media. Except on occasion good NZ Herald writers like Claire Trevett and funnily enough Chris Trotter who I respect.
  
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  August 17, 2018 3:52pm
- UpandComer
  
  I find that CasaPound stuff in Italy really scary actually. And I oppose it, just like the Italian government opposes it. Those guys aren’t Lega or Sforza. They’re something else called CasaPound. But there is no difference actually between that, and muslims in London and Birmingham shutting down traffic and streets via shows of force in mass public prayer of the Zuhr.
  
  All it would take to prevent that kind of thing is a media that did their job. If the media actually investigated what was happening in Minneapolis, people could understand what was happening, and try and solve the problems causing it.
  
  Instead, they promote Ilhan Omar. And this is what is so frustrating. It’s the Somali community in Minnesota that suffers because of the media blackouts. If all their kids are getting measles, maybe it’s because their political leadership are diverting all the cash supposed to stop that to their own bank accounts, and using it for fake child care centres, for example. The media is harming the people whose identity it exploits for it’s own pleasure.
  
  Think about just how corrupted and degenerate a city and community is where the political leaders steal $100m of taxpayers cash via fake child care centres, whilst simultaneously overseeing a child measles epidemic. And the media say the kids suffering is because of racism, and anyone who demands justice is a racist Nazi Trump supporter who deserves to be destroyed.
  
  It wouldn’t happen here. Under any government.
  
  Which of course is the point – New Zealand is an entirely different country.
  
  But you are not going to get an understanding of what is actually happening overseas from our media.
  
  Anyway – one can respect the accomplishments of Donald Trump when he faces an entire massive structure trying to destroy him to protect their sources of cash, evident even at the city council level in Minneapolis.
  
  This is identity politics. This is the future of America. It’s complex and difficult and the media make it worse on purpose because they hate America, they hate western civilization, and they want all of the United States to be a cash-cow they can milk.
  
  It was the same thing in Rotherham – which is still covered up as well. It wasn’t just the physical abuse, it was extremely lucrative for the criminals as well.
  
  Anyway, enough from me.
  
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  August 17, 2018 4:24pm
  - UpandComer
    
    You can’t run identity politics at the expense of one identity, destroy it, shut down it’s free speech, mock it, say it has no culture, lie about it’s history (for example, double the number of white slaves went to Africa via the Barbary pirates and muslim conquest as African slaves went to North America, the muslim slave trade claimed 120million people from the 14th century to today, still, but muslims are never asked to feel guilty and pay reparations to either whites or blacks), and then not have an identity reaction.
    
    What you see in Italy will happen in Sweden. White people are not a rape and tax farm, and it’s time people started treating them with respect. Not fining them as dirty Kaffir for trying to shake the hand of a muslim woman, or calling them anti-semitic for opposing punishing truth with 15 years in prison, or for pointing out obvious truth like Minnesota is now a Somali theft farm because of one particular community whose current slogan is ‘No borders, no wall, no USA at all’.
    
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    August 17, 2018 4:48pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Upandcomer, stupefying rubbish. The Europeans were Lilly white when it came to the slave trade. For example, most of the US and other slaves came from West Africa fully under the thumb of the Europeans.
      
      Alt-right so called identity politics is about white supremacism and dominance. pure and simple!
      
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      August 17, 2018 6:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X, the European slave traders generally bought African slaves from Muslim slavers, who did the dirty work of enslaving men, women, and children.
        
        There are still slaves in the Arab world.
        
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        August 17, 2018 10:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  Upandcomer, all from rubbish alt right news outlets. WND and fromtpage even to the right of Fox faux news.
  
  Keep stoking the flames of bigotry and prejudice scorching hot.
  
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  August 17, 2018 7:01pm
Prince

Ardern is reaping the harvest.
With a rebel yell, they cry more, more, more.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106350449/government-monitoring-families-package-impact-amid-heartbreaking-deprivation

It’s ok tho cos she is keeping an eye on the situation.
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August 17, 2018 3:37pm
DigNap15

Kids Can should hand out condoms and nothing else.
Oh maybe some canned lentils
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August 17, 2018 3:50pm
MH

last words from Maori King”:
Et tu, tuku?
More to gain.
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August 17, 2018 5:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A New Infrastructure Agency
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364337/new-infrastructure-agency-proposed-to-improve-planning-investment

Just call it the Ministry of Works.
4th Labour Gvt dismantled it….
30 years later, they figure out we need an agency to plan and carry out major works.
MUPPETS!
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August 17, 2018 6:16pm
- Longknives
  
  Un-Fucking-Believeable!
  
  Jacinda is an eccentric, Gargantuan-toothed Dr Who taking us back to the 70s in her Socialist Tardis…
  
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  August 17, 2018 6:22pm
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    Longknives, not bad for someone who is not the sharpest knife in the draw.
    
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    August 17, 2018 6:33pm
    - nasska
      
      You just reminded me stephieboy. Last trip we did up the island we went via the East Coast. Anyway, there’s hundreds of goats grazing on the side of the road between Kotemaori & Mohaka. Billy goats, nanny goats, kids, the whole nine yards.
      
      Don’t know what the internet’s like in the area but I thought you’d like to know. 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2018 6:39pm
      - stigie
        
        He knows all about them Nasska especially the kids..?
        
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        August 17, 2018 7:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      sharpest knife in the draw.
      
      Fastest gun is in the drawer, is it?
      
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      August 17, 2018 6:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, nope! A turn of phrase such as ,
        
        “Another way to tell somebody is not the brightest person in attendance or not the sharpest tool in the shed.”
        
        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=not%20the%20sharpest%20knife%20in%20the%20kitchen
        
        Another one is, not the pick of the litter.
        
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        August 17, 2018 7:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think we sore that won sale over his head, Maggy.
        
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        August 17, 2018 7:09pm
      - nasska
        
        Never saw it coming! 🙂
        
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        August 17, 2018 7:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA
        Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
        
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        August 17, 2018 7:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    When the old Ministry of Works was privatised, control owas taken over by the Malaysian Government’s sovereign fund. Ownership has passed from our Government to another Government.
    
    The old Ministry of Works has evolved into Malaysian State-controlled Opus, with offices in 80 countries.
    
    Economists talk about diversifying the NZ economy by building international services from here. Why couldn’t MOW have been transformed into NZ owned Opus?
    
    Probably because we don’t have enough financiers with ambition and expertise, and too many folk with other agendas influencing politicians and public opinion.
    
    The strategy seems to have been for our productive assets: Sell them overseas quickly and put the money into property development.
    
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    August 17, 2018 10:39pm
- Piniwi
  
  @Maggy Wassilieff another millstone to be dragged by future administrations as the COL take over the 3 decades of neglect by local bodies to even keep up with the basics. Don’t expect too much traction here as it has the Jones boy at the helm.
  
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  August 18, 2018 12:07am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Slowing housing market and falling prices welcome, RBA governor Philip Lowe says – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/phil-lowe-welcomes-falling-house-prices/#comment-3168024

Slowing housing market and falling prices welcome, RBA governor Philip Lowe says – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-17/rba-governor-philip-lowe-testimony-to-parliamentary-committee/10129618

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe says falling house prices and a weaker property market, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, are welcome developments. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Phil Lowe welcomes falling house prices – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/phil-lowe-welcomes-falling-house-prices/
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(New South Wales Premier) Gladys Berejiklian ‘extremely comfortable’ with falling Sydney house prices | afr.com
… behind paywall …

https://www.afr.com/real-estate/gladys-berejiklian-extremely-comfortable-with-falling-sydney-house-prices-20180724-h132q8

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian is “extremely comfortable” with where house prices in Sydney have gone and expects the recent slide in Sydney house prices is a welcome turn of events for those trying to break into the market. … read more via hyperlink above …
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RBA chief Phillip Lowe slams banks over their behaviour: ‘I have been appalled’ … Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/i-have-been-appalled-rba-chief-slams-banks-over-their-behaviour-20180817-p4zy2w.html

Reserve Bank Governor Philip Lowe has lashed out at Australia’s banking system, telling a Parliamentary committee he has been “appalled” by the behaviour revealed in the banking royal commission … read more via hyperlink above …
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THE URBAN CONTAINMENT EFFECT (ZONING EFFECT) ON AUSTRALIAN HOUSE PRICES (RBA DISCUSSION PAPER) … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY

http://www.newgeography.com/content/005921-the-urban-containment-effect-zoning-effect-australian-house-prices

… extract …

• In Sydney, the urban containment effect adds $489,000 to the house price making the annual mortgage payments $29,000 higher. Figure 4 shows the components of the average house price in Sydney.

• In Melbourne, the urban containment effect adds $324,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $19,000 higher.

• In Brisbane, the urban containment effect adds $159,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $9,000 higher.

• In Perth, the urban containment effect adds $206,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $12,000 higher.

• No data is available for Adelaide, but the present median multiple (median house price divided by median household income) suggests that urban containment effect adds at least $13,000 to the mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 17, 2018 6:44pm
- Longknives
  
  Cheers Hugh- I was hoping for an early night anyway.
  Zzzzzz….
  
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  August 17, 2018 6:45pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    AUSTRALIA: House prices falling in 98% of Sydney and Melbourne suburbs – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/house-prices-falling-in-98-of-sydney-and-melbourne-suburbs/
    
    Via Herald Sun:
    
    SYDNEY and Melbourne have been the powerhouse for Australia’s booming property market but a new report shows only 17 suburbs across the two cities are seeing increased prices.
    
    With just a handful of suburbs among Sydney’s 700 showing steady rises in property values, experts say this continues to highlight a steady downward trend that’s been under way for three years. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    August 17, 2018 7:02pm
    - Longknives
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnGiGeNYciM
      
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      August 17, 2018 7:26pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Faced with an affordability crisis, New Zealand bans foreigners from buying homes – The Washington Post
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-17-august-2018/#comment-3167441
        
        NEW ZEALAND … Faced with an affordability crisis, New Zealand bans foreigners from buying homes – The Washington Post
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/16/faced-with-an-affordability-crisis-new-zealand-bans-foreigners-from-buying-homes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60b66711faac
        
        It is not a question of whether Auckland’s house prices fall, but by how much: Analyst – NZ Herald
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12106664
        
        How to get a (NZ)$650,000 KiwiBuild-style house down to an affordable (NZ)$300,000 – Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure New Zealand – NZ Herald
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12107783
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        Reality check for Ministers (really some … just some … asleep enviros) at environment conference | Politik
        
        http://politik.co.nz/en/content/Environment/1400/Reality-check-for-Ministers-at-environment-conference-Environmental-Defence-Society-Gary-Taylor-Phil-Twyford-David-Parker-RMA.htm
        
        … extract …
        
        … Attendees probably left last night with more questions than when they arrived as Ministers, who in Opposition had seemed sympathetic to environmental issues were left qualifying and modifying their stance on major issues.
        
        This was starkly evident in an exchange between Urban Development Minister, Phil Twyford, and the EDS CEO, Gary Taylor over urban sprawl.
        
        Twyford had set out an impassioned description of the impact of high house prices in Auckland and advocated the linking together of transport and other infrastructure and new housing developments.
        
        But he also advocated the scrapping or urban-rural limits.
        
        “We believe that we have to manage growth on the fringes of the city,” he said.
        
        “If we do not allow new land to come into the supply we will never ever fix the problem of absurdly expensive urban land.
        
        “With good investment in infrastructure and transport, with more planning, not less to create the future urban environment that we want, setting aside areas of special value and open spaces, acquiring land for transport and other infrastructure, if we then allow the city to grow we will bring down urban land prices and it is absolutely critical that we do,” he said.
        
        Twyford had proposed this when he was in Opposition but, even so, any suggestion that more rural land was going to be absorbed for housing was going to be controversial at an environmental conference.
        
        And Taylor was quick to respond.
        
        “Everything makes sense except I worry about why you need to do away with rural-urban boundaries altogether,” said Taylor.
        
        He said that giving free reign to developers seemed inconsistent with Twyford’s overall objective of having a compact city.
        
        Twyford replied that it was a question of values.
        
        “This is for us, for Labour, for our coalition government, this is fundamentally a social justice issue.
        
        “Our objective is not to build a Copenhagen of the South Pacific.
        
        “We could build a beautiful city with a whole lot of the policies we have talked about.
        
        “We could build a Vancouver of the South Pacific; beautiful but utterly unaffordable.
        
        “I’m interested in us fixing this totally dysfunctional urban land economy.
        
        “If we don’t deal with affordability we will have completely wasted the opportunity that has been given to our generation.”
        
        Twyford said the only way to deal with the affordability issue was to deal with the land price issue and that meant dealing with the artificial scarcity of land caused by the planning system and the availability of finance for infrastructure.
        
        However he didn’t dispute that the Auckland region was going to become more heavily built up.
        
        “You know what,” he said. “In two or three generations this is going to become a tri-city conurbation between Hamilton, Tauranga and Auckland whether we like it or not.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … further reading …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
        
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        August 17, 2018 8:08pm
Viking2

ATHLETIC PARK – 59 years ago tonight !
– a tiny part of the largest crowd ever –

https://www.facebook.com/photosoldwellingtonregion/photos/a.624658607622414/1835284493226480/?type=3&theater
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August 17, 2018 7:43pm
Monique Watson

House prices are on the way up, Hugh.
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August 17, 2018 7:43pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Thats the impression I get, judging by the weekly bank valuation on our properties. If not up, stable, gain a few one week, lose a few the next. I have no idea how they calculate the numbers, but its consistent with all three that I follow, the bank, trademe insights and homes.co.nz, The numbers are not the same but the trends are. Lets face it, if the fairy dust kiwibuild (imaginary) “affordable” homes are $650K and up, decent homes that decent folk want to live in, in decent suburbs (non rag head, shithole infested suburbs) are going to be way above that. However, what data are you looking at Monique as I wouldn’t mind having a look. Cheers
  
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  August 17, 2018 7:51pm
- fernglas
  
  The law of supply and demand says they have to be going up, doesn’t it? There are just not enough to go round and the population keeps increasing. Nothing the newspapers do to talk the market down will work because there isn’t enough to go around. Where are the stories about people living in cars now? They must still be there because this government has done fuck all to alleviate the problem. I nearly got rid of my place because I am getting twice as much out of my other investments and I don’t have to worry about tenants, but naked logic says prices must continue upwards longer term
  
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  August 18, 2018 12:25am
Monique Watson

I keep my eye on QV and realestate.co.nz. And I use a multiplier of the income of my rentals.
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August 17, 2018 8:08pm
- DigNap15
  
  And then you see pics of nice houses being built in Texas for $300,000 and you wonder why we are being ripped off and by who!
  
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  August 18, 2018 8:10am
nasska

NEWSFLASH:

Prime Minister suffers footwear malfunction & is rushed to the emergency blacksmith to be re-shod.
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August 17, 2018 8:10pm
- stigie
  
  Dads rushing to help !~
  
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  August 17, 2018 8:38pm
Jack5

Friday night diversion:

A braw, strang Australian lassie:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-17/australian-strongwoman-holland-keen-lifts-dinnie-stones/10089572

And a fuller version:

https://youtu.be/ZF4Yh-pb00Y
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- Jack5
  
  If you liked that one, guys test themselves on rock lifts:
  
  https://youtu.be/AC8sm9h8lGw
  
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  August 17, 2018 10:21pm
Manolo

America’s Ardern:
https://www.mediaite.com/online/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-banned-the-media-from-her-latest-town-hall-event/
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