General Debate 15 August 2018

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Inandout

Who leaked?
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August 15, 2018 8:01am
- igm
  
  Could it be Mallard?
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    Is a duck’s arse watertight?
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:15am
    - Inandout
      
      cmm, Is there such a thing as a gay duck?
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:46am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yes, with a necrophiliac twist, there are scientific papers on it: https://youtu.be/NfWiqdlmsm4?t=45
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Chippie
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    My bet is it is one of the Assistant Deputy Speaker’s staffers, with a nod & a wink from Ducky and Jacinda’s office. Far enough removed for it not to be a Labour MP, but they knew what was happening.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:42am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Tova O’Brien, the reporter who broke the story gave a list of those who received the info, including the speaker and the Whips. She then backtracked on the Whips being included. I’m betting Chippie is involved?
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:47am
      - Philview
        
        A bit odd that she was reporting the story on TV3 news last night about the leak, but I assume actually knows where the leak came from.
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:32am
      - igm
        
        Hipkins is a proven nark which is par for the course for a gutless lefty.
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:38am
    - Inandout
      
      hullkiwi, at one time I would have thought public servants were above political bias, but after the US swamp debacle anything is possible.
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:49am
      - waikatosinger
        
        I haven’t thought that since the leak of Don Brash’s emails.
        
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        August 16, 2018 12:15am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    He has form by inventing the “stupid little girl” comment, although I wonder if he was actually thinking that at the time and didn’t realise the voices were actually inside his head.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:05am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  This is the start of the end for Simon Bridges. Mark my words. He won’t be leader for too long.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:13am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    I feel sorry for Simon because the media never showed the slightest interest when he was actually out and about the country, meeting people and discussing issues and ideas – in other words, doing what any new leader of the opposition should be doing.
    
    The only interesting part of his meet and greet campaign as far as the media is concerned is a scandal over how much he spent. Simon must sometimes wonder why he bothers.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:02am
    - Tricati
      
      But there was a baby on the way – The fact the country was going down hill is of little consequence to the media puppets.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:06am
    - The only red for me is that of Manchester United
      
      He seems like a good solid family man with values. There’s nothing for the media to grab on to. Simon isn’t seen as a rich prick. No murky business background. Supportive husband and father. The media don’t want that. They are not interested in his background. He is what they will call a spoilt Tory. I’d just like to see him stand up for something. He’s starting to blend in with the background too much.
      
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      August 15, 2018 12:20pm
  - Muttonbird
    
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    Indeed. Any bets on four Nat leader in a calendar year?
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:38am
    - igm
      
      Wouldn’t take a bet with you unless money up front. Like all lefties you would welch if you lost.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:40am
      - Duxton
        
        No, it won’t be muttonbird’s money. It will be yours and mine, given to him to fund his bludging lifestyle.
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:30am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Hey Duxton. What were you due to speak on at Massey? The cartoons of Al Nisbet?
        
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        August 15, 2018 3:27pm
    - Paulus
      
      Along with the media – stop dreaming !
      No wonder your a muttonbird – taste horrible too !
      
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      August 15, 2018 2:11pm
  - Philview
    
    I disagree, I have seen the first signs that he has backbone. Regardless of a bit of waffle in his speeches, it looks like he will be decisive when it counts. A contrast to the mass of indecision in the Coalition.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:25am
  - Woz
    
    Probably true, for better or for worse. He just hasn’t gained the necessary traction.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:55am
    - Surely Knott
      
      He just hasn’t gained the necessary traction, YET. Timing Woz. It’s all about timing. Look at Jacinda’s timing. Plenty of Wow factor. But now hasn’t done the work and is ill prepared to lead so having working groups and uncertainty. And the wheels are falling off. Now they are having to resort to cheap media hit jobs to divert attention from their stumbling economic confidence.
      
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      August 15, 2018 2:11pm
- oldpark
  
  @Inandout
  Time to set up an inquiry to find out if possible the Phantom Leaker who seems to be operating in NZs inner circle Parliament.
  Even better if the Phantom Leaker gets exposed, it might also be the same leaker that has caused NZs self appointed Dictator Peters to sue his parliamentary colleagues and NZs taxpayer for his Hurty feelings.
  
  Maybe Karma could be the result. Could either enhance hurty Peters claim for more taxpayer money,or go the other way. Like blow the doors off Peters claim. Surely not.We live in hope.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:50am
  - backster
    
    My guess it was arranged by Peters to take the heat off his Haumaha fix.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:55am
    - sooty
      
      Nicky Hagar. He’s got form.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:02am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Nicky Hager is hibernating until the next National government.
        
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        August 16, 2018 12:22am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Good spotting backster. Very likely.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:50am
- RF
  
  Someone should ask Goofy. He apparently has spies in the Govt staff. Remember last time when there was a mole feeding Goofy inside information that was anti National.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:35am
- VicParking
  
  As the expenses were going to be released on Thursday anyway it has to be a timing motive. No upside for a National MP or Mallard to do this therefore it has to be a diversion. Who needs a Diversion /COL/.
  A COL MP would be stupid to do this as being caught out would be 10 times worst than what value the release gained. Mind you there are some stupid COL MP’s
  To me it has to be a “Staffer” of one type or another who thought they would do a good thing for the COL and become famous in their own living room or with H2.
  What this fiasco does tell us is that the Fourth Estate are as stupid as a bucket of TRUTH reporters and the story of the leak, a Who Done It, has become bigger than the story itself.
  80% of the costs would still have been incurred if the Limo’s had stayed in their garages and the staff, police and Simon rode around the country on horseback and stayed in camping grounds.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:52am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Who is the NZ First Party whip?
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:22am
  - VicParking
    
    Mitchell Clayton – Who??
    
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    August 15, 2018 11:48am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Oh really?
      You mean the Clayton Mitchell who as party whip would have been in possession of the leaked information who’s from Tauranga and who’s a close friend of Fletcher Tabuteau who’s a relly of Wally Haumaha?
      
      Far too many coincidences there.
      Wouldn’t have been him. //
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476214
      
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      August 15, 2018 1:44pm
    - Paulus
      
      Ex Tauranga Publican and says friend of Peters.
      Must drink together and thinks he is a future leader of NZF so he likes people to think.
      
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      August 15, 2018 2:14pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Dumb enough to pull a stunt like this?
        
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        August 15, 2018 3:01pm
- KevOB
  
  I believe the leaks a distraction. The info was going to published anyway in a few days so the content was irrelevant.
  
  What was is going on in the background that needs to be hidden at this time? Is it to take the heat of Grant who’s had bad news as Finance Minister?
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:22am
- rockape
  
  My Bet Collins, I hope so tyhen se can get rid of her and Slater will STFU.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:32am
duggledog

All right, I’ll spell it out.

The reasons people don’t want to teach any more:

1: It’s a middle-aged woman’s profession.

2: The money is shit

3: Absurd amounts of paperwork

4: You are your students’ de facto parent

5: They did away with meaningful discipline

6: The politically correct, cultural component during training and in daily practice is vomit-inducing
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August 15, 2018 8:02am
- cmm
  
  7: It’s only a part time job.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:09am
  - mandk
    
    8: It’s a low status job
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:18am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      This is the one. Teachers used to be well regarded, now they are looked down on by most educated people (those who can, do, those who can’t, teach).
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:10am
      - stephieboy
        
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        UN, looked down upon? By whom? .Other than rabid right bubbleheads like yourself.
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:14am
      - Chris R
        
        They are correctly looked down upon. A few years ago when my children were routinely subjected to the Marxist rubbish flowing freely from (ahem) teachers I would amuse myself by correcting the deficient grammar and syntax of anything which was sent by teachers to parents. The message was generally commenced by a fatuous greeting in Maori then flowed with what passed for the English language. The grammar was often unrecognisable, punctuation was strained, and meanings (if there were any?)
        evaporated in the “feel good” fatuity of interspersed Maori references. This nonsense doesn’t resemble education nor indeed schooling! Teachers are not fit for purpose. Until teachers and their vile trades union understand this, their demands for more money ought to be ignored. A final thought: What sort of “professional” goes on strike?
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:41am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Indirectly here, you are saying that nurses are not professionals then?
        
        What constitutes a professional? A degree from a recognised institution?
        
        Or is a professional one who does not go on strike?
        
        The police and armed services cannot go on strike by dint of leglistation, does this make them professionals because of a law?
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:16am
      - Woz
        
        ChrisR: I might have written your response myself.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:58am
      - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
        
        they dont help themselves…..just watching them march on queen street. Very sad to see so many people deluded and manipulated by the teachers union. Hard to respect those so gullible. On the late news, heard some schools refused extended care programmes today so the strike would have greater impact ! The union masters are just awful people playing politics…..using our kids so shamelessly….that fucken advert on tv about kids missing their teacher! My 11 year old laughed and said his teacher isnt in class thursdays or fridays due to meetings and paperwork…..
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:41am
      - Tricati
        
        The current bout of industrial action by Public Servants seems to be one of the biggest ‘own-goals’ by a government for some time.
        The government promised big during the election, seemly based on their polling that they were unlikely to get into government, then along came Winston with a big chip on his shoulder.
        Labour created the 9 years of neglect narrative to cover their fiscal hole, which has been picked up gleefully by the unions and Public Servants, and in conjunction with Labour’s promises, they are now looking for excessive pay increases.
        The 9 years of neglect is having no cut-through outside labours supporters (Nationals continued support), as the rest of the tax payers have had in the main pay increases over the last 9 year’s linked to CPI and/or performance and don’t expect a big hand out based on union affiliation.
        The concerning aspect of the governments proposed employment legalisation changes, is the drive to enforce union membership, therefore increasing the pool of those that will subscribe to the above.
        In regard to the teachers, they are asking for a large increase in pay with a corresponding decrease in workload. When many financial commentators are saying we have to improve productivity in NZ to be competitive, it appears that only applies the private sector and not the union affiliated Public Service.
        
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        August 15, 2018 1:16pm
      - Paulus
        
        Teachers were at one time considered unequivocally as a Profession.
        Now they are a Trade Union foremost.
        
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        August 15, 2018 2:16pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        They used to be part of a small elite of tertiary educated people, I had secondary teachers with masters degrees and PhD’s. But these days they are mostly ‘C’ grade uni students who can’t find better work. A family friend who has been a non-degreed primary teacher for decades recently completed a uni course to increase her pay band (waste of time, but only way for her to go up in pay). She was appalled by some of students in her class – poor english, ill-disciplined and just plain thick solo mums being pushed into tertiary education by WINZ etc.
        
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        August 15, 2018 2:47pm
  - G152
    
    A computer can do the same job and make learning more interesting as it goes
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:25am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Probably true for some branches of education. STEM in particular. Eg a compehensive math education could be delivered by way of interactive turotrial, with in-built quizes, assessment of comprehension, varied methods of explanation, tonnes of worked examples, some gamification and even attention assessment systems. Physics and Chemistry and a lot of Technology would be similar. And eventually accounting economics and history could also go the same way.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:15am
    - tf78
      
      You still have to be able read – who does that – teachers and some parents.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:37am
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      last week, our son was told to download Duolingo app for french class. Teacher doesnt speak french….I kid you not. Pay them some more……yeah right
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:43am
- holysheet
  
  Do you tink teachers are fustraded at all the diversidy bullshit? Absoludly they are. It’s hard to remain posadive in such a situation.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:09am
  - igm
    
    Looking at the pic of Crockery giving cake to a teacher I was further disgusted with what Peters has done to NZ.
    Cannot wait to see him enter Pike River mine . . . maybe he will decide to stay there.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:16am
    - RF
      
      Mike Hosking was hilarious this morning. He was commenting that the bag lady was handing around plates with cake to the teachers but no forks …
      
      she did not eat any cakes herself and just stood there with a stupid toothy grin watching the others struggling.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:44am
  - mandk
    
    If teaching was actually a profession, teachers would be able to say that teaching diversity and other stuff that parents ought to teach is not their role.
    But they can’t do this now because teaching is just a trade.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:23am
    - hullkiwi
      
      So, do you think Jacinda will be able to encourage some of those on the dole into teaching as a trade. God save us!
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:46am
  - Longknives
    
    “Do you tink teachers are fustraded at all the diversidy bullshit?”
    
    Nope- They fucking love it.
    I play cricket with a High School Teacher- He is a European guy who wears a Bone Carving and gave his kids a Maori name.
    I’ve had some cracking arguments with him over a beer. Some things I have heard him rant to me-
    
    ‘You don’t understand your White Privelage’
    ‘White People have contributed nothing positive to History’
    ‘The complete end of the Western Civilisation wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing’
    
    And there are loads more Teachers like that!
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:59am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Longknives, fortunately outside KB bubbleheads like you with their drivel count for nothing..
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:11am
      - igm
        
        The only drivel on here is from you and your rug pilot mates. Why don’t you fuck off to Somalia where you belong.
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:16am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Stephieboy; do you concur that white people have contributed nothing postive to history?
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:51am
      - Longknives
        
        ‘Bubblehead’ seems to be word of the day today.
        I think Stephieboy Jr is on Dad’s computer again…
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:38am
      - kowtow
        
        Fuck off , cunt.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:49am
    - RF
      
      I know a very attractive young lady who came from a great family, was school dux, graduated teachers training college and then it all turned to shit.
      
      Now anti establishment, anti police, anti white, anti everything her devastated parents believed in. Attends radical protests and is in the front line….
      
      God help the poor students she teaches…
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:55am
      - kowtow
        
        Tying that in with longknives comment about the wanker teacher : who the fuck do these leftwing, self loathing twats think pay their salaries or created tyhe conditions that allow them to live and work in a civilised society.
        
        I saw a bumper sticker that said ” If you can read this thank a teacher ” , it was of course outside a school.
        
        I saw a variation on that somewhere else , much better ,and it ran like this……
        
        “If you can read this in English thank a soldier ”
        
        Thank God for our sailors and soldiers.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:54am
      - Duxton
        
        RF – sounds like Lizzie Marvelley…
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:34am
    - howitis
      
      That was the sort of dick that was portrayed in 7 Periods with Mr Gormsby.
      I actually watched that on You tube last year with an Australian TV station logo on it.
      The Teacher like that was ‘Steve’. All bone carvings and bullshit.
      
      Ask this clown if he wishes to remove all the things from his house(cave) that were invented or enhanced by white men. It will be back to a cave quick smart.
      The same applies to the idiots who want to ban oil. We understand it with Green Party fools because that is what they are but when you look at the likes of Justin Lester and Dave Cull you know you have a problem. Remove all the things in your life that use oil -synthetic clothes, footballs, cosmetics, tyres, asphalt, insulation, medicine and so on.
      See if they do it.
      Hah. Won’t happen. all yakkety yak, yakkety yak.
      
      You are dealing with idiots at this point. Treat them as such. They are beyond salvation.
      The old idea of being a commie at 20 you have a heart…then grow up… has gone out the window because of social welfare, long term students hiding inside tertiary institutions, and government jobs (incl being a Green Pardy MP).
      Chuck these fools in the non recycling bin.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:03am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Marx bludged off his friends his whole life. Today he would be referred to as a Mooch. Apparently, Marx has all the answers! ?
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:58am
    - oldgolfer
      
      I doubt my opinion of teachers could go much lower.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:12am
      - Paulus
        
        Well only one in twelve teachers is perceived to have been born as a man.
        No wonder teaching remains discriminatory woman orientated..
        
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        August 15, 2018 2:20pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Totally agree. They allowed themselves to become union lackeys and infiltrated with feminist marxism. I have no sympathy whatsoever. When they start acting like professionals they can get more pay.
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:14am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  You can add the male 50% of the population would need to have their head read if they went into the occupation.
  
  And some parents will blame you for their child’s ‘failure’.
  
  And teachers are expected to be social workers and child psychologists.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:10am
  - artemisia
    
    One of mine did a BEd to become a primary school teacher. Young man, well presented, stable relationship, 2 preschoolers, part Maori even. Graduated, never taught other than a few days temping at the local school.
    
    Nothing at all wrong with his teaching ability, other than inexperience, according to his various school assignments, and he enjoyed it.
    
    But that career choice was overtaken by his actual experiences in schools and that of his contemporary teachers.
    
    Now a successful small business owner (5 children now, all doing well!)
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:49am
  - VicParking
    
    To be a male Primary teacher these days you need to teach from behind a glass screen and even then Mummy would complain “The Teacher looked at my little Betty in a funny way”
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:58am
    - RF
      
      I know of a rural school where a relieving teacher was on a 6 month contract. Young guy in his early 20s who ticked all the boxes with film star looks.
      
      The local solo mothers fought for his attention and he had a ball going through them like a dose of salts until one of the mothers that he had used and since moved on, decided on utu.
      
      A complaint was made concerning him “touching” a student and he was gone overnight. Beware of a scorned woman….
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:45am
  - Piniwi
    
    Worse AgainstTheFlow they act social workers and think they are psychologists. Like so many hopeless oddities who claim to be “counselors”. The sorry results of so many children is the strongest evidence that not only does teaching attract the wrong people but their indoctrination process can also sway good people.
    
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    August 15, 2018 1:54pm
- peterwn
  
  8. Vulnerability. At a primary school a teacher aide overheard a couple of kids conspiring to set up a teacher for sexual misconduct. Aide informed the principal who told the teacher. He promptly resigned and left the profession.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:18am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe it was a set-up. Perhaps the teacher aide wanted the teacher’s job?
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:06am
- MT_Tinman
  
  duggledog, I’ll disagree with three points:
  
  1/ For a job the requires you to turn up six hours a day, 40 weeks a year and do the job your own way, to the standard you choose, with no ramifications if you are too lazy to get out of your own way the pay is excessive.
  
  Teachers don’t need more money, good teachers do!
  
  2/ School teachers, by their very profession, have to look after the children under their care. This has always been so.
  
  What has changed is the societal requirement that actual parents become actual parents.
  
  Your point is correct but not in context.
  
  3/ If by “They did away with meaningful discipline” you mean they stopped bullies beating kids they certainly did and good on them.
  
  A good teacher never had to beat children but gained respect by teaching and keeping minds occupied learning.
  
  I doubt that has changed.
  
  Unfortunately the other three points mean that there are far fewer good teachers than at any other time in my lifetime.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:21am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Every time I see some lefty polly or SJW call for compulsory Maori teaching or compulsory Financial literacy or compulsory 2nd language, it beggars belief why the Teachers Unions don’t come out against this increase in workload for no measurable outcome outside of making some people feel better.
  
  Its Duggledog’s #6 which increases #3.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:23am
- artemisia
  
  And too many unruly kids. Being polite with that description, because civil behaviour is not always within their control. I think this is more probably number 1.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:41am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The media coverage of the teacher pay issue has been horrible.
  
  When asking whether teachers are over-paid or under-paid compared to the past, there are two competing measures: the median wage and the labour cost index (LCI). Teachers are doing OK compared to the LCI but falling behind compared to the median wage. The reason the LCI is lower is that it compares wage levels in similar jobs, whereas the median wage doesn’t take into account that there are relatively more highly skilled jobs and fewer lower skilled jobs than in the past.
  
  Let’s say in some imaginary country there are only three jobs. Also imagine wages and prices never change. In 1978 there were 10% IT workers, 20% teachers, and 70% farm labourers. Today there are 50% IT workers, 20% teachers, and 30% farm labourers.
  
  Teachers today would be paid much worse compared to the median wage than in 1978, even though their wages are the same and the LCI would show that. Though prices wouldn’t really stay the same, especially house prices because now teachers will be competing with all those IT workers on the housing market.
  
  Note also, teachers now come from the top 70% of the population, and mostly the bottom end of that group. In 1978 they came from the top 30% of the population. That’s a big change. It suggests the teachers now probably deserve lower pay than the teachers of 1978. It also suggests the quality of education kids are getting will be much worse.
  
  Suppose in 1978 you had committed to maintaining teacher pay relative to the median wage. The level would be much higher now, and teacher quality would also be much higher. But very few of today’s teachers would be getting any of that money. Other people would have chosen teaching instead of IT, and the people teaching now would be out working on a farm somewhere.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:52am
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    Thanks NK. That’s an interesting analysis.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:20am
- Harkman
  
  “6: The politically correct, cultural component during training and in daily practice is vomit-inducing”
  
  I was walking around my old primary school in the weekend, gosh every room now has a Maori name. And we wonder why our education system (including tertiary) is collapsing down the rankings.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:54am
  - wiseowl
    
    Went to my old high school a couple of months ago.
    Same thing .Everything was moorified.
    The old school hall where we sang songs with such proud gusto and stood before the motto and house shields , now a dumbed down ,cultural hovel.
    So sad.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:08am
    - Longknives
      
      Yep- Same at my School.
      Once proudly run by the Christian Brothers (and before you ask – NO I wasn’t buggered) and full of tradition and School spirit, Going there now seems to be like some kind of visit to the Marae.
      Loads of the old photos are gone and have been replaced by ‘Cultural’ stuff (Bone Carvings, pics of Kapu Haka groups etc)
      All the pics of old Rectors throughout the years had been ‘moved’ away from sight (I’m guessing because they were Old White Men)
      Saddest of all is I couldn’t see any sign of the pics I remember of Soldiers who fell in the World Wars..
      I have no wish to return- It just saddens me now that our (European New Zealanders who taught and went to the School) History and Culture seems to be in the process of being erased..
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:48am
      - nasska
        
        ….”NO I wasn’t buggered”…..
        
        You know you’re getting older when you walk by a couple of priests & they don’t even look your way. 🙂
        
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        August 15, 2018 6:47pm
    - Woz
      
      I visited my old high school in 2015. The rolls of honour listing things like the school’s war dead were gone. There were Maori wall hangings instead. And it carried on from there. Back in my day (the 80s) there was hardly a brown face to be seen at that school, nor was there in 2015. But the culture, history and traditions of the attendees and their predecessors are being slowly denigrated, erased, eliminated, and supplanted. I doubt I could bear to visit the place again.
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:13am
- NZDirect
  
  The #metoo pc bs has seen 50% of the population exclude themselves from the profession. After Peter Ellis, why would any man possible enter the profession? Sorry ladies you reap what you sow – enjoy the teacher shortage now do you?
  Suggested changes – pay for performance, free university education for male teachers only (to create better diversity!), throw out the PC rubbish and bring back some form of accountability for children and their parents for anti-social behaviour
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:57am
  - Paulus
    
    And Peter Ellis is still waiting for an apology which he deserves.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:25pm
  - johnny78
    
    I’m trying to feel sympathy for the teachers but its proving difficult
    
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    August 15, 2018 7:51pm
- DigNap15
  
  4, 5 and 6 are very true
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:27am
- KevOB
  
  I had an enjoyable job teaching part time at Wellington Polytech then they wanted to have us all get teacher qualified through one of their courses. I sat through two sessions as the teacher dissected a method, microtome slide by slide–that was the end. Too much info about nothing.
  
  My students passed their external professional examinations. They couldn’t have done that the way I was being taught to teach.
  
  I don’t bow to PC either. The Treaty is also irrelevant in teaching. Every pupil is to be respected.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:47am
- hullkiwi
  
  DD, your points are all valid and symptomatic of a profession that has been dying in public esteem for years. The problem with teaching and education as a whole, is that what we have today is the culmination of politicians and other “do gooders” meddling with “education”.
  
  End result we have a broken system. Sadly, education is one of those areas where everybody thinks their 2cents is worth something and they proceed to tinker with It, take Chippie – in 9 months he has got rid of national standards (& had nothing to replace it with) and he has started a conversation about NCEA (whatever that means). However, many of the current problems can be tracked back to the era of the Lange government’s introduction of tomorrow’s schools. The concept of empower parents to be involved in their children’s school was worthy, but that is where it ended. What this policy did was politicised the school and gave reality to a new beast – the school CEO (commonly referred to as a principal or headmaster). In the primary school sector these people are very political and powerful, because there is no longer a regional education board to keep them in check – there is the school board of trustees instead (who are nothing more than a bunch of school gate mum’s and dad’s who are all mates). A schools board of trustees appoint and are meant to control the CEO (the principal), but how can They, because many of them don’t have the requisite skills to manage their own family let alone a school. Then there is the principal who has climbed the education greasy poll of a school, but the one thing they have never been trained to do is run an enterprise like a school.
  Consequently, some schools have moved from strength to strength while others have languished . On top of this there has been the constant tinkering. Is it any wonder the system is broke? It is no wonder high achieving families keep on looking for ways to succeed in a broken system.
  There are examples of:
  1. Decile 9 schools with rat/mice infested and asbestos riddled buildings waiting for the Min of Education to fix;
  2. Rural schools not being able to get relieving teachers because they are on isolated areas and previously used former teachers no longer meet the modern qualification requirements;
  3. Deviled 1 to 3 schools where more is spent per child teaching the child than in a Decile 9 school – because the Decile 9 school receives less money than the lower Decile schools. The assumption that the community will fund the higher Decile school is a socialist stereotype that is more myth than reality.
  
  Then there is what teachers are striking for. You get all sorts of teachers- there are the good, the bad, the lazy, the ugly and the outright dangerous. Good teachers get paid the same as the ugly, but how do you fix it in a one size fits all environment? Performance related pay is an answer, but how? Anyone who believes teachers are overpaid needs to spend a day in your average NZ primary school & good teachers deserve to be rewarded for their results.
  
  Workload will always be an issue, but we are talking public service here – no one has ever defined what is an acceptable workload though. Within the issue of workload, our schools have developed into defector baby sitting facilities and the go to means of providing social structure and resource for kids from broken NZ. Is that right and is that what we expect of our schools?
  
  Then to close we are left with what our children are taught and what levels of attainment we should expect when they walk out of the school gates for the last time. I have no answers except to say, I expect my son to have the skills, knowledge and requisite experience to reason and to be able to compete against a comparably aged child from any country in the world in the core subject areas of English, maths, sciences and his chosen fields of specialty.
  
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  August 15, 2018 12:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And P babies coming through plus apparently too much diversity in the classrooms.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:36pm
Huevon

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/13/viktor-orban-moves-ban-gender-studies-courses-university-dangerous/

Hungary bans bogus “gender studies” programmes at universites. Leftist academics suddenly become defenders of academic freedom. Oh the irony.
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August 15, 2018 8:03am
- softail 1450
  
  Huevon,,,Viktor Orban is a true “White” hero, our sickly establishment would hate him and his ideas…look up his speech “5 tenets for sovereign nations”.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:20am
Justitia

So the Ottoman Empire MK 2 is in serious financial difficulty, 565 years after its illegal occupation of Constantinople.
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August 15, 2018 8:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I hope Erdogan ends up at the bottom of a hole and they manage to reinstitute a secular society. Turkey was a pretty enlightened and positively developing place even 10 years ago. But I doubt it will happen, the worse things get the greater power Islamist fuckwits gain.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:21am
  - rockape
    
    So was Iran in 1970
    
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    August 15, 2018 11:41am
holysheet

A little boy is sat on his grandfather’s knee. “Granddad”, he said. “Why have you got hair growing out of your ears?” The granddad replied, “My boy, if you had to listen to your grandmother for over 50 years, your ears would find a way to muffle the sound.”
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August 15, 2018 8:06am
- stephieboy
  
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  holycrap, old cock some subtlety appears missing.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:57am
  - pentwig
    
    stupidboy
    that is because you are a humourless, brainless and illiterate POS
    
    LOL
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:14am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, “something appears missing” is what the two brain cells rattling around in your head keep telling each other….
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:26am
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie, morning to all a Fraiser house. Do you know why you have hairs on your arse? Its natures way of muffling your comments on KB. ??
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:04am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      VP – Tsk Tsk.
      LOL!
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:23am
- Woz
  
  The fuckwits who keep voting that Erdogan asshole back in are determined to send that once-promising country into a black hole.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:59am
secondcumming

The *terrorist* who intentionally mowed down at least 10 cyclists in Westminster yesterday, was *Sudanese* who had recently been granted British citizenship. Well that’s fucking gratitude for you!

In further developments, MI5 have advised *Boris Johnson* to maintain a low profile while in London….

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkQG6PfW0AI7WMu.jpg
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August 15, 2018 8:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  The sudanese terrorist crashing yesterday reinforces Boris’ point.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:13am
  - igm
    
    Wait till it happens here . . . hope the affected are lefties and MSM, they deserve it; not some poor innocent bastard who never wanted the scum.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:18am
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    Ban 1.6 billion Muslims?
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:58am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Yes. They don’t need to be in the West. They could always get welfare and do their jihad where they already are. Oh, wait.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:04am
      - igm
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:18am
    - Harkman
      
      No, we leave them alone in their part of the world, and they leave us alone. Besides their part of the world isn’t designed for 3% population growth pa. So Islam needs birth control, that’s the real problem.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:10am
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes, there are plenty of muslim countries for them to stay in.
      Oh that’s right they are all trying to leave!
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:30am
      - Woz
        
        I don’t get it. Their own countries are all such shitholes that they’re desperate to get out and escape to the opportunities, peace, and freedom of Western welfare states; then they want to murder their hosts when they get there. Fucked up, much?
        
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        August 15, 2018 7:04pm
    - Longknives
      
      Yep- Kick them all out and back to their own Islamic shitholes!
      Where they can blow things up, Stone women and bugger boys to their little Islamic heart’s content..
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:51am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They reap what they sow.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    We reap what politicians sow.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:24am
- Rich Prick
  
  The anger and hate installed in these people explains their sub-human behaviour. The best the West can now hope for is a chance to educate the Koran out of them. But I fear it’s too late with many. Body counts are all that the UK, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy and Spain have left. I’m starting to really admire Hungary’s political will to do what it ought to do: protect its citizens.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:24am
  - igm
    
    Don’t forget Poland, they have no time for them either.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:37am
    - Harkman
      
      Who would’ve thought Eastern Europe would end up being run better than Western Europe.
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:57am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Lessons learned, I’m guessing.
        
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        August 15, 2018 8:59am
      - stephieboy
        
        Harkaman, including the Balkans?
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:00am
      - waikatosinger
        
        You are quite right Stephieboy. The Balkans are not well run. Albania is terrible.
        
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        August 16, 2018 12:53am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I have thought for some time that the Muslim faith needed a special character such as Martin Luther to bring about reform.
    The sad thing is, however, the reality that the absolutists within the various branches of the Muslim with will simply kill the reformist to maintain the status quo.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:39am
    - Rich Prick
      
      That is at the very heart of the problem. My guide from the other day said as much.
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:48am
      - alex Masterley
        
        The other part of the problem is our Muslim guests tend to stick together within their own little, or now not so little, bubble and don’t to use that dreaded term integrate.
        Until they manage the feat of fitting in such people can simply fuck off.
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:10am
    - cmm
      
      By its very definition there is no such thing as moderate Islam.
      
      The problem is that The Prophet was perfect, therefore no reform required or even allowed. Any attempt to corrupt The Prophet’s words will earn you an instant fatwa.
      
      Note for the slow of wit, I am not saying there are no moderate Muslims. There are. But they are like Christmas Christians and bacon-eating Jews. They might identify as Muslims but they are operating outside the Muslim faith.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:15am
    - KevOB
      
      Not possible. The Koran requires anyone deviating from the book to be killed. This is at the heart of the Sunni/Shia wars.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:51am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Islam has had a number of successful reformers.
      
      Reforms by Mirza Ghulam lead to the considerably less toxic Ahmadiyya version of Islam.
      
      Reforms by Bahá’u’lláh lead to the very peaceful Bahai religion.
      
      In both cases their followers are regarded as apostate or even not Muslim, and are persecuted by other Muslims.
      
      Even the most successful reformers can only branch off new versions; they cannot change the direction of the religion as a whole. Luther succeeded in creating the Protestant offshoot of Christianity; but he didn’t succeed in changing the direction of the Catholic church.
      
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      August 16, 2018 12:46pm
- Manolo
  
  Most of those primitives have very low IQs and total faith in Muhammad.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:34am
kowtow

More of that “diversity dividend” and multiculturalism to celebrate , embrace and be enriched by in London yesterday.

Who let them in , why do they continue to let them in?
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August 15, 2018 8:12am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They will continue to let them in.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:16am
  - wiseowl
    
    We’re doomed.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:24am
  - kowtow
    
    They will come in ever greater numbers.
    
    History is migration.
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:25am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, come and enjoy its indisputable advantages at home in Auckland and Wellington etc.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:02am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    What are these ‘indisputable advantages’? Sources please.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:54am
- Komata
  
  Kowtow: Who let them in to the UK? Perhaps unsurprisisingly, it was the British Labour Party who deliberately decided to do so, their intention being to so alter the face of the UK that the ‘Tories’ could never again rule with an absolute majority or with certainty. The new imigrants would also, by implication, forever vote Labour in gratutude. Unfortunately I cannot at this moment unfortunately find who enunciated the policy (although Tony Wedgewood -Benn comes to mind), but it was on that basis that former residents of the declining Empire were actively encouraged to emigrate to Britain. There are certain parallels with what is curently happening in the USA – and New Zealand..
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Enoch Powell was a front bench opposition member when he made that speech.
    
    He had huge support across the spectrum at grass roots.
    
    It was his own party leadership that shafted him.
    
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    August 15, 2018 11:01am
Nukuleka

The Lauren Southern/ Stefan Molyneux interview by the hapless Patrick Gower seems to be gaining cult status on the net- and no wonder. Not only is Gower wholly out of his depth interviewing a pair whose powers of logic and intellect far outstrip his own but he is shown to be a shallow and inept practitioner of the job for which he is paid handsomely.

The funniest parts for me are: when he makes the ludicrous claim that ‘rant’ is New Zealand ‘vernacular’, clearly unaware that it is a common, mainstream, internationally- used noun that has gained prominence among the left to describe any argument with which they disagree; and when he makes the sweeping generalisation that somehow New Zealand is known internationally (and implying that this is somehow unique to NZ) as a ‘melting pot’, again ignoring the fact that the US, Canada, Australia, the UK etc etc could be similarly described.

What a (to use a word Paddy would probably claim as ‘kiwi vernacular’) tosser.
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August 15, 2018 8:20am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Could this be Gower’s “Cathy Newman” moment?
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:24am
  - mandk
    
    I think it is much worse.
    
    To give her credit, Cathy Newman knew that she had been nutmegged (to use a footballing term), and she responded with a chuckle.
    
    But Paddy was utterly crushed, and he had the stupidity to claim that he didn’t lose. By doing this, all he did was to focus attention on his dire performance.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:24am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Cathy Newman and her production team obviously didn’t see Jordan Peterson had completely destroyed her argument, as they posted the complete interview on the internet expecting a different reaction than they received from the on-line viewers. So no, she did not know she had been “nutmegged”. Paddy is too stupid to realise he was completely crushed and is now be laughed at internationally. Huge fail! ?
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:42am
- redeye
  
  Jordan Peterson announced he is touring Aust/NZ in February. I’m picking Paddy would be well advised to steer clear if he wants to reclaim any semblance of respect.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:40am
  - Justitia
    
    He has no respect. I especially enjoyed the way Gower recounted his great victory in the battle of wits with the Canadians on the Project. I hope that is part of any you tube video that is circulating.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:15am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Justitia, don’t know his name but an Irish blogger (he uses a cartoon of himself for anonymity) on Utube has the whole Paddy Gower train wreck interview and comments on the Project. See if you can search it out. He has Paddy pegged. Worth a giggle!
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:48am
      - Justitia
        
        Thanks for that waikatogirl, I hope it goes viral.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:29am
      - howitis
        
        See it here
        27 mins long
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGSfHIPnupY&feature=youtu.be
        
        The home site is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87j5W7PtE7NHOR5DUOQ
        
        and has 324,000 subscribers so more than watch TV3 ‘news’.
        Watch at leisure but the second half is the more punchy.
        esp 19.00 min
        then, the interview with his own mob of narrow-minded smelly commies at 22.00min
        Then at 25.35 Gower admits he does not understand what they are saying
        Simple case of not being able to control them as media normally do in NZ
        To admit it like the fool Gower is – he might just as well resign and rent inflatable toys at a swimming pool -if his teeny brain could handle counting out the change.
        
        You have to wonder why the USD 100 billion organisation Oaktree keeps this TV mob going.
        I guess the $400,000 per week taxpayer funding via NZ on Air is pretty cool for a 100% overseas owned organisation! Who else would give them that?
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Thanks for reposting howitis. I may even watch it again for a laugh. ?
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:06am
      - graham
        
        Oh wow … that was an unbeliveable trainwreck. You just want to say to Gower, “Honestly, just stop talking. This is definitely one of those times where it’s better to stay silent and be thought an idiot, than open your mouth and confirm it.”
        
        And Gower obviously knows what a trainwreck it was, because he wrote an opinion piece: “Patrick Gower: I was not ‘destroyed’ by Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux”
        
        BWA HA HA!!
        
        And the more I search around, the more instances I find of people saying, umm Patrick, actually you WERE destroyed.Completely and utterly annihilated. Check out his Twitter feed, the responses are incredibly biting.
        
        “It sounds like this is written by a naive teenager not a full grown man representing NZ on TV.”
        “Nothing will wipe the memory of that abysmal interview.”
        “Good spin, dr.. Shoulda been a DJ.”
        “Buddy, you got DESTROYED!”
        “You got spanked son, it will be some time before you will be able to sit down I suspect”
        “So it took you 3 days to come up with, what may as well be, the moral of the story from a Teletubbies episode.”
        “I particularly liked the follow up group therapy session with the other “journalists” patting you on the head because Lauren was so scary.”
        
        https://twitter.com/patrickgowernz/status/1026699135745843200
        
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        August 15, 2018 1:30pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Jesus wept. Gower gets an absolute pasting on twitter. Hey Paddy “it’s the fucking news” haha
        
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        August 15, 2018 5:26pm
  - softail 1450
    
    redeye,, Gower could do an in depth interview with one of Petersons bag handlers…..maybe???
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:34am
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    Not sure Peterson will make it here. Proper Kiwis don’t stand for that stuff.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:41am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Why don’t you go along and listen to him. You will learn something if you listen.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:49am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Proper Kiwis will attend in droves. Panty waisting, hand wringing, neo-Marxist, snowflakes less so.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:56am
    - Komata
      
      MB: Define ‘Proper’ please. Thanks.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:18am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Definitely not ‘us’ Komata.
        Thank goodness!
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:11am
    - stigie
      
      What is a proper Kiwi Muttonhead , we would all love to know..?
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:30am
- stephieboy
  
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  To be fair to Paddy it’s like interviewing flat eaters, fake moon landing conspiracy theorists. or Scientologists.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:54am
  - Harkman
    
    Ha funny because in NZ as a general observation, people that clearly have a lower IQ don’t vote for National.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:00am
  - Rich Prick
    
    What is a “flat eater”? A big bulldozer?
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:36am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,,,”flat eaters” we don’t want to many of those fuckers hanging around with the shortage of housing in our country.
    LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL…
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:48am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    So getting owned by them and drawing the scorn of the wider twitter sphere must be doubly damning then. But you’d be used to that.
    
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    August 15, 2018 5:29pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Paddy didn’t speak like a quick-witted fellow. His drawl and monotone didn’t give me a good impression. He didn’t seem to listen to what his guests were saying.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:59am
  - softail 1450
    
    Odakyu-sen,,,,,it’s always about Gower with him…
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:50am
flipper

All the kerfluffle over the number of MPs is absurd.
120 (give or take) equates to about 1 per 38,000 population.
100 = 1 per 45000 per (give or take)

Seems to me that fewer is better. There would be less time to spend on “supporting” colleagues and participating in grandiose gesturing, and more for actually representing the interests of constituents. Some constituencies would be cover large areas. Compensate by giving those MPs more genuine area offices and representatives.
List MPs?
Drop dead. Make parties put their best into the electorates (side benefit – reduce power of party machine).
Abolish the Speaker. PM or Deputy is the chairman. ( side benefit – no Mallard)
No ??? 🙂
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August 15, 2018 8:30am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The Speaker should be a civil service position.
  
  We need a biggish pool of backbench MP’s to serve as training ground for newbies (need a few years in parliament before ministerial role), and to let cream rise to top. Labour have illustrated problems of having a shallow pool of talent.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:27am
  - softail 1450
    
    U N, just look at Willie Jackson FFS.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:52am
  - KevOB
    
    Just keep the incompetent out in the first place.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:57am
Right of way is Way of Right

Here’s my pertinent, impertinent question of the day.

If teachers work so damn hard during the school holidays, as they assure us that they always do, then why didn’t they strike THEN?

Asking for a friend….
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August 15, 2018 8:34am
- Rich Prick
  
  What a very good question. I’m guessing you can’t really take a holiday when you’re already on holiday.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:39am
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    “Ignorant ” Prick!
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:51am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh, just GFY.
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:53am
      - softail 1450
        
        Rich Prick, i suspect septic has tried that many times,he only has one other “livestock’ option….
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:47am
    - Harkman
      
      If I recall correctly you said yesterday that weren’t the instigator of trouble on here and you unfairly receive abuse. Have you read what you post lately?
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The teachers had two one day strikes during the holidays and as per usual, the msm only saw babbbbbbeeeeeee.
  
  My partner is a teacher, as was my mother, and I know the amount of effort that goes in behind the scenes to make the class appear to run seamlessly.
  
  One of the greatest problems is the dysfunctional children in any class and these will be 3 out of 30, 10%, who will take 80% of the time to control and engage so that they don’t stab their fellow students with the scissors or the like.
  
  There are some lazy teachers and there are some excellent teachers. What would change the perception of many who disparage the profession on this blog would be a fly on the wall doco like all the emergency service ones that have been shown over the years, the amount of work required to make that class function would be there for all to see.
  
  Teaching the unwilling coming from the poor patented homes and those children from some of the commentators here who believe that their Johnny or Cassandra is more intelligent than the other childen in the class and need to be recognised as such for no other reason than being the fruits of your loins, need to wind there heads in.
  
  I have said it before and it is a well worn cliche, you read this because a teacher taught you.
  
  Downtick away, I don’t care, I cannot be responsible for you ignorance
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:15am
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    Deeply insightful and penetrating thinking. Despite that a learned downtick for you.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:18am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I do the the same to you so fair do’s
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:26am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Same is true of any organisation, retail establishment, restaurant and so on. 20% of the clientele will always cause about 80% of the problems! Try working in any HR department! What about those poor sods who work for Work and Income NZ?
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:23am
  - KevOB
    
    Do you expect teachers to produce only one flavour of sausages?
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:59am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Only when they get to university.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    Define what is a Profession as Teachers are not ? – only a Union side party.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:34pm
secondcumming

I was quite surprised at the large number of applicants there were after advertising for a new PA.

Yesterday, I re-interviewed the final two I’d shortlisted for the position……guess which one I choose?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkiiF_OXoAEHGoe.jpg
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August 15, 2018 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  Are you sure? Was there none with big tits?
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:12am
Inandout

On the subject of the primary teacher strike I was driving through Levin this morning and there were scores of teachers and children holding signs. Fair enough, but I witnessed a kid almost collected by a vehicle because the kid had run across the road after the ‘walk now’ had stopped. It is very difficult to control excited little ones at traffic lights but where is WorkSafe when needed?
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August 15, 2018 8:55am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I cant agree to the children being drawn into the argument be it in the classroom and certainty not as an emotional weapon on the picket line
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:46am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    They had to go to work with their parents, which is another benefit, you pretty much have the same holidays as your children.
    Speaking as the daughter of two, and sister of one teacher, that alone has its advantages.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:00pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Heh, My youngest whose teachers are on strike (much to the older’s disgust as his aren’t) has been given the opportunity to malinger today.
  If I lean back I can see him hard at work in a nearby office filing stuff….
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:17am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And my partner is preparing to attend the self paid for, post graduate, extra curricular Mind Lab course in the city (commuting in the rush hours) in applied practice and digital learning. All to improve and be prepared to meet the crap that Hipkins and his ilk foister upon the teaching profession on a regular basis under the banner of inclusion, multiculturalism and most importantly, meeting the ‘obligations of the ToW’ and, you know, feelz.
    
    She does not have one bar of tin of cocoa or touch ones forelock to the Marx bust in the school corridor.
    
    And, further to what I have said previously, belongs to the union for the protection provided by the legal team in the event of her having to wrestle Cassandra to the floor after stabbing Manu with the scissors and the little gifted darlings parents have taken exception to their prodigy being touched because you know, she is the victim here because Manu said something that offended her, and, the parents have the wherewithal or are just big enough arsehole offended solicitors who will make a point of making the teacher pay. They have RIGHTS!
    
    Where do these children get these ideas? here’s a hint; it’s not from the teacher
    
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    August 15, 2018 12:52pm
Nukuleka

Do some work part time at an independent school. Just been in a classroom where 3 teachers are lecturing 3 classes about the teachers’ strike and how poorly paid and resourced teachers are. Total propaganda on behalf of a union these independent school teachers aren’t even allowed by the union to belong to.
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August 15, 2018 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
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  Nukuleaka, tell us more about some of the extensive experiences you’ve had working within the educations system?
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:05am
  - softail 1450
    
    Septicboy ,What was your job ,resident pedo ???
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:41am
    - VicParking
      
      He is Fraiser house’s senior Capra aegagrus hircus Bestiality instructor.??
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:17am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Well, stephieboy, one thing I did manage to pick up during my ‘extensive experiences’ was how to spell and how to structure sentences in a coherent and grammatically correct way. How about you?
    
    To answer your question, I have taught at primary, secondary and tertiary level in both the public and private sectors in New Zealand and overseas. Is that enough info for you?
    
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    August 15, 2018 1:36pm
- lifesgood
  
  I lost all respect for teachers many years ago when I worked in financial management in a school. I constantly had to correct teachers’ spelling, grammar etc. and their endless moaning about how hard they worked when I worked twice as hard and often on weekends. One thing that disgusted me was when I was doing an English degree and had to take one of my papers at a teachers’ training college along with mostly trainee teachers. One day there were hordes of security men around the college. When one of the students asked me if I knew why the security were there I told her it was because the Minister of Education was visiting. Our future teacher of NZ’s unfortunate children replied “Did ya give him the fingers?” Charming!
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:31am
Happychappy

I just wonder if the travel costs details of Simon Bridges were leaked to take some air out of the Wally Haumaha story involving him asking a witness to back him. I say this because Winston Peters has reacted angrily about Haumaha contacting a witness with remarks that it is utter unadulterated drivel and referred to his usual practice in saying ” I’ve got legal information ” when asked what was the basis for that claim. The heat is really on Peters now and Haumaha is not doing Peters or the Government any favours by arranging any type of favours with witnesses in this case.
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August 15, 2018 9:15am
Captain Mainwaring

Stupidboy, present us with the sight of your sorry arse as you fuck off out the door.
This place has had enough of you.
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August 15, 2018 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
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  Even you can offer some knowledgeable insights into our education system judging by your liberal use of the F-word etc.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:26am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy,, Fuck off back to the farmyard you contrary POS.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:39am
Odakyu-sen

About time the Euro-centric Economist recognized the livability of Japanese cities…

“Japan’s Osaka and Tokyo have now moved up into the top ten, coming in third and seventh place respectively.
Both cities achieved their highest ranking on the survey this year thanks to a decline in crime rates as well as improvements in public transportation.”

Add to that the wonderful food and sense of civility.
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August 15, 2018 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maybe “We” by Yevgeny Zamyatin has something to teach us about the Japanese psyche and their society ?
  
  https://betatest.foliosociety.com/uk/we.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw-8nbBRBnEiwAqWt1zYduvDgwMPWUp8tvZuJQZxuQKdQiyprOMCBeQYQhlu89ewL-IZh9AxoCMTEQAvD_BwE
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You’ve never read We, have you, stephieboy?
    
    No need to Google … and tell me what it’s about.
    I have read it.
    
    and I’ve been to Japan.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:42am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You mean Yevgeny Zamyatin (1884 to 1937)? I don’t think he ever visited Japan. (And yes, I know that his book “We” inspired Orwell and foreshadowed 1984.)
    I suggest the West look to its own failings to protect freedom of speech…
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Zamyatin was influenced by his 2 years in Newcastle-upon-Tyne… trying to fathom the British way of life.
      https://fantastic-writers-and-the-great-war.com/war-experiences/yevgeny-zamyatin/
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:28am
- cmm
  
  O-sen
  
  I’ve never been to Japan and all I know comes from the highly informative links that stephieboy posts.
  
  Could the decline in Japanese crime be due to:
  * Aging population. Crims are now all in rest homes and don’t commit crimes apart from stealing eachother’s incontinence pads?
  * Aversion to multiculturalism, hence keeping a relatively homogeneous/high trust society?
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:31am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    cmm,
    
    Aging population is a factor.
    Another factor is the well-developed sense of “shame”. (Although the Japanese word “haji” that is translated as “shame” is more a weaponized version of shame, for social control.)
    Speaking of social control. In NZ, social control tends to be top-down; whereas in Japan it is often bottom-up. For example, I would give a good talking-to to a local kid in Japan if I saw him doing something wrong. Here in NZ, I would run the risk of being accused as a pervert or even a pedophile for interacting with a male juvenile. In other words: do nothing; the authorities will take care of it.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:50am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      That well developed sense of shame would be very useful for a few people in this country!
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:25am
    - cmm
      
      A friend of mine who went to work in Japan for a few years told me that the haji/shame is extremely powerful when there’s someone watching. Hence no litter in cities etc.
      
      However he said as soon as nobody is watching the shame loses its strength, hence lots of litter in country areas.
      
      I am only going by what I have heard.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:41am
      - Jack5
        
        On my visits I haven’t seen litter in the Japanese countryside.
        
        I’ve seen country people doing their voluntary sweeping around the Emperor’s palace in Tokyo, and on orchards little covers on each apple. I didn’t notice many unkempt areas.
        
        Japan, for a heavily populated country, does have a surprising amount of mountain forests.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:48am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Jack5,
        
        Forest cover for Japan: 67.00%
        Forest cover for USA: 33.84%
        Forest cover for NZ: 31.87%
        Forest cover for UK: 11.76%
        
        Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_forest_area
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The nightly pick-up of rubbish in Tokyo City is amazing.
        
        By about 11pm, there are tidy piles of rubbish starting to appear outside each shop, by 5am the streets and paths are clear. No noisy vehicles collecting the rubbish.
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:43am
  - igm
    
    No Islamist leeches.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:52am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Or brown bludgers.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:51am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    cmm,
    The populations of Italy, Germany and other European nations are aging too, and yet crime is on the increase in those countries.
    
    (Scratches head.) I wonder what other factors ( that Japan doesn’t do) could be responsible for the difference?
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:55am
    - cmm
      
      Hmmm I wonder what that might be?
      
      Maybe it is something to do with sushi? Or maybe those wasabi pea snacks?
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:45am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        cmm,
        
        You are closer than you realize. It’s the Japanese snack foods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7PKjH5LR8
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:13am
Manolo

Policy on the hoof by Miss Ardern, the accidental PM:
https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/plastic-bag-ban-disgrace-government-process
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August 15, 2018 9:31am
- cmm
  
  It’s all virtue signaling to the overseas luvvies. She’s setting things up for the UN posting she so desires.
  
  That’s what the oil permit shut down was about too.
  
  She can go down in history as:
  * First leader in Southern hemisphere to shut down oil.
  * First leader in Pacific to ban plastic bags.
  * First woman ever to have a baybee.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:36am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    And let’s not forget the really important one. Being in multiple editions of Womans Day magazine.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And a weekly fluff article on her in The Guardian.
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:45am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Tsk tsk Manolo. Where’s your posidividy?
    
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    August 15, 2018 5:31pm
DigNap15

Ok, now as the teachers are on strike its a good time to brush up on your Maori vocabulary.
Todays word is
Benefit
Funnily enough its not in my printed Maori dictionary
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August 15, 2018 9:37am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Look under ‘whitey’
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:03am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Can tomorrows word be ‘Entitlement’?
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:42am
  - DigNap15
    
    Your wish is my command.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That will be under ‘brownie’
      
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      August 15, 2018 12:54pm
DigNap15

If I were minster of education.
I would give a 20% pay rises to all teachers that left the unions.
And I would pay male primary teachers 20% more.
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August 15, 2018 9:40am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Big Nappy’s huggies are leaking.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:45am
  - softail 1450
    
    Muttonhead,,, yeah, leaking mutton shit ,its coming from 2 places the second being you mouth….
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:55am
Philview

I was listening to Guyon Espiner interviewing I think Chris Hutton on the radio this morning. Mr Hutton if I caught his name right was saying that that business opinions about the economy were incorrect. He seems to be picking up data from somewhere via a website launched (Stuart Nash had some involvement) that is saying things are better than last year. Now, I am in business and I am personally noticing it is getting harder to get paid from a range of clients. I have been in business for 7 years and this is the first period where I am delaying paying bills because of a real slow down in payments coming to me. Is this a coincidence?
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August 15, 2018 9:43am
- softail 1450
  
  Philview, I have been working for myself since becoming qualified ( 20 years),although i can honestly say my work is always constant my children are building professionals and things are slowing noticeably at the moment,a very worrying sign i’d say….
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:14am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Agreed, it is quiet out there.
    Clients are telling me that things in their diverse niches are slowing down.
    Contractors feel there will be a nasty slow down at year end.
    Clients who service industries reliant on the discretionary dollar say that turnover has dived.
    winter has come…
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:33am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      This has everything to do with the “Nine years of neglect” this government keep repeating ad-nauseam.
      
      Of course what they don’t admit is they are actually referring to the fact they did nothing while in opposition and so are dreadfully unprepared for Govt.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:46am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, and even a small shift in confidence can have large impacts.
      
      That tradie that was going to buy new tools or a new ute? Well maybe his old tools and old ute will do for another year or three. That means Mitre10 and the motor dealers are going to need less staff.
      
      That programmer that was going to buy a new laptop (or a new desk) might just do with the old one a bit longer.
      
      That holiday? Well let’s put it off for a year.
      
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      August 15, 2018 10:59am
- KevOB
  
  Business cash flow is like a weather barometer. This COL has no idea what economic conditions NZ can expect.
  
  Your opinions based on actuality have no place in an ideologically driven universe. Treasury are similarly dismissed. MBIE report as requested are pleasing the Ministers.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  Business receiving slower payment is common when everything slows down. Everyone holds on just a little longer before paying their accounts. In 2010 we got squeezed (but survived) when payments were slow from clients, and the banks stopped lending money to all business in our sector for a few months. You have to have a nest egg for the economic rainy days that are coming. Good luck.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:29am
Lance

I was rather gob-smacked at the extreme hatred openly displayed by Tova O’brien this morning on AM. She maintained this expense leak was the end of Simon as leader and probably the destruction of National (WTF????)
One ultra negative comment after another about National and Simon Bridges, somehow proving Simon is arrogant and out of touch.
Even Duncan Garner was openly disagreeing with her and the rest of the ‘panel’ were skirming uncomfortably at the unhinged display.
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August 15, 2018 9:54am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  See how ‘journalist’ and ‘unhinged, bookend so well in that sentence?
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:06am
- Philview
  
  Tova released the story so must know where the leak came from. If the leak came from National and Simon takes firm action it will actually strengthen his position as he will show he has some leadership balls.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:20am
- KevOB
  
  Labour are hatching something.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:17am
  - rockape
    
    If Labour have a plan lets hope its as big a failure as their others!
    
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    August 15, 2018 11:58am
  - Happychappy
    
    The young Labour sexual assault inquiry results of the allegations are about to be released and
    Jacinda and the Labour Party want them to be hidden with the Haumaha saga and Simon Bridges Travel expenses taking all the air. I wouln’t trust the show pony as she a track record of trying to hog the headlines to stop other news getting airtime.
    
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    August 15, 2018 12:00pm
    - KevOB
      
      The only news is what Jacinda allows.
      Its hard to break through when the MSM are a closed shop and the Opposition denied coverage.
      National at 45% are doing very well in these circumstances.
      
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      August 15, 2018 12:41pm
    - Longknives
      
      “The young Labour sexual assault inquiry results of the allegations are about to be released and
      Jacinda and the Labour Party want them to be hidden”
      
      Here comes the Breastfeeding!
      Either that or she will pull some crying kids, put on her patented ‘frowny face’ and Ban something…
      
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      August 15, 2018 1:31pm
- howitis
  
  Interesting microcosm that TV3 morning show.
  I looked at it last week.
  You have three people about the same age in the 40 to 45 yo age bracket.
  Richardson is right of centre. In his 40 and a bit years he has played professional sport; hosted several TV programs; purchased investment property; worked against low fertility in a marriage and produced 2 children; married an air hostess and so on. Done alright, reads the horizon, comes across as positive.
  
  Ruby lips Gillies is past 40. Paid as ‘talent’ on TV for over 15 years or more so above average income.
  Suffers the disease of being a whiny leftie.
  Status at 40+: infertility problems not overcome; not found a husband (ie a fool to put up with her whiny ways and claiming equality while acting stupidly and not taking responsibility for her actions) ; has not even bought a house when surely she could have on a decent income 10 years ago.
  Summary Lefty: no husband; no house; no investment property and possibly little else ; lots of shoes?; no kids. An empty life filled by leftie whining and acting supercilious.
  
  So
  Righty Richardson takes responsibility and faces up to challenges. Realises there are challenges in life and not everyone is your fan. Nonetheless, progresses in life.
  Lefty Gillies whines about everything and even with decent income is left with nothing. Economically inarticulate and filled with socialist clap trap that does not out play out in IRL. Haughtily carries on as if she is superior to others nonetheless. Useful in the media world but in the real world a dead loss.
  
  If your children ask you if they should mix with and lean left or right in their adult life show them this microcosm.
  >Righty- be positive , recognise challenges occur, surmount them or walk away. Surround yourself with people who will challenge you and realise you do not know it all.
  >Lefty – Whine about everything; talk about how bad oil is despite using oil based products 24 hours a day (mattress foam, computer, TV, cellphone, clothing, medicines, tyres on > bus/bike/Uber etc); blame everyone else for your failures but don’t take responsibility;
  talk about how unfair everything is;
  don’t watch Mark Dice or your head will explode;
  talk down others who disagree with you and if that does not work yell them down.
  If that does not work call them an ‘..ism’ word derivative. Racist, sexist, misogynist.
  But not a Marxist because that is good.
  Essentially, act superior but in reality be inferior…and never, ever take the blame for anything, ever!
  Failure is everyone else’s fault: inflation, bankers, 9 years of neglect, CO2, white men.. just not Me.
  
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  August 15, 2018 12:05pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Tova O’brien and Newshub doubling down on the trashy dirty politics hit with new article “Simon Bridges response to limogate bordering on arrogance” First it is a non-scandal so the stupid “limogate” title really over inflates her journalist “Scoop” which amounts to legitimate expenses, revealed 2 days early. And I love the start of her article “Leaving aside the hub bub of the leaking of the documents….” Ah yeah. Leaving aside the dirty politics that you engaged in for the non-scoop… The excessive arrogance title belongs to Tova and her “dirtyleakgate”.
  
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  August 15, 2018 2:06pm
- Paulus
  
  Another Silly Little Girl !
  
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  August 15, 2018 2:41pm
Manolo

The new sultan speaks and promises to “hurt” the US:
http://news.trust.org/item/20180814101313-nzpia

President Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday that Turkey would boycott electronic products from the United States, retaliating in a row with Washington that helped drive the lira to record lows.

The lira has lost more than 40% this year and crashed to an all-time low of 7.24 to the dollar on Monday, hit by worries over Erdogan’s calls for lower borrowing costs and by worsening ties with the United States, its NATO ally.
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August 15, 2018 10:10am
- Harkman
  
  And it’s not like we couldn’t see this coming. Turkey is on its way to basket case status.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:53am
Manolo

Oh dear, the N word:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-audio-omarosa-trump-campaign-aides-apparently-discussing-fallout-of-n-word/
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August 15, 2018 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  Is there anyone in the US who hasn’t been recorded? Lawyers offices, maybe confession boxes, Bill Clinton while being blown, Hillary during her massage sessions. Funny how only Trump gets blamed. That sacked woman was extremely unpopular and people wondered why she was kept on just because she was part of the Trump election campaign.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:52am
  - Manolo
    
    Funny enough, some of us darkies do not mind it. 🙂
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You could “reclaim” it.
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:49am
      - Manolo
        
        Certo, cara Maggy. Sono scuro, sono nero, ma sono orgoglioso!
        
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        August 15, 2018 1:53pm
cmm

Oes noes, mummy has pissed off the unions!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/106253469/strike-primary-teachers-and-principals-strike-for-first-time-since-1994

“Speaking from the rally gathering in Forth St, Auckland, NZEI president Lynda Stuart said Ardern’s comments “annoyed” her.”
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August 15, 2018 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  But Labour have no more money, NZF have spent it all.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    and they do have another 245?million for Shanes trees (announced a few days back)
    
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    August 15, 2018 11:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      oiii
      Hands off that $245M…..
      it’s for the Provinces
      
      I’ll let you know when some of it drips over this way.
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:50am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        You really want more trees planted around Tolaga?
        
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        August 15, 2018 6:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Absolutely.
        But Protection Forest. – preferably native or mixed species exotic.
        It wasn’t live trees that came down.. It was worthless felled stems that had been left on the hills a few years back. (No replanting had been undertaken),
        
        If the catchments aren’t planted up soon, it will be the last of the hill soil, then the mudstone that comes down to the township in the next few winters.
        
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        August 15, 2018 7:37pm
    - Paulus
      
      Now Sage says they are to be Native Trees, not the usual Radiata, – native trees only take 300 years to grow.
      Shane is as expected silent except under his breath.
      
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      August 15, 2018 2:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Na, should be able to get harvestable Totara within a 50-100 year cycle.
        http://www.nzffa.org.nz/farm-forestry-model/resource-centre/information-leaflets/information-leaflets-2017/growing-totara-for-timber/
        
        I reckon you could also do miro, rimu, tawa, puriri, rewarewa, kanuka on 50-100 year cycles.
        http://www.nzffa.org.nz/farm-forestry-model/resource-centre/information-leaflets/farm-forestry-association-leaflet-series/no-24-establishing-native/
        
        All this type of work was getting underway in the 1980s when the 4th Labour Govt dismantled the NZ Forest Service.
        (Thanks Greens & Labour)
        
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        August 15, 2018 4:15pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Excellent. Hopefully they will land up hating each other. NZEI members are huge Labour supporters for the most part. Hope this all ends in major tears for SLG and Hipkins.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:01am
- KevOB
  
  So do the teachers want more pay in their hands or free tuition for older students?
  
  Someone has to make the call.
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:20am
cmm

Funny to think that last time teachers went on strike, Cindy got a day off school. She was only 14.
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August 15, 2018 10:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

Golly gosh.. looks like those Nasty Cubans haven’t perfected their LRADs yet..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/14/cuban-acoustic-attack-report-on-us-diplomats-flawed-say-neurologists

I thinks hubby’s ADs show more promise.
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August 15, 2018 10:52am
- Jack5
  
  His ears, Maggy?
  
  Or has he set up an LRAD that will zap anyone who walks through the gate speaking Stephiestani?
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is no gate…
    
    The aerials, overhead wires and strange devices scattered around the grounds, do seem to keep the proselytisers at bay….
    so far only 1 JW has penetrated the acoustical barrier (although we did have to bring him inside to revive him).
    
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    August 15, 2018 11:29am
Hugh Pavletich

UNITED STATES: More than Six (Undersupplied) Homes Missing From U.S. Housing Market … Zillow

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/links-15-august-2018/#comment-3165996

More than Six Million (Undersupplied) Homes Missing From U.S. Housing Market … Zillow

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/more-than-six-million-homes-missing-from-us-housing-market-300696445.html

SEATTLE, Aug. 14, 2018 /PRNewswire/ — One of the defining characteristics of today’s housing market is the lack of available inventory, and much of this scarcity can be traced back to the lack of building following the bubble’s burst.

. It would take about five years of building at the current pace of 1.3 million homes per year just to add those “missing” homes. …Between 1985 and 2000, there were 3.9 permits issued for single-family homes per 1,000 residents. Since 2008, that mark stands at just 1.9 permits per 1,000 people. If that historic rate had continued over the past decade, there would be about 6.3 million more single-family homes in the housing stock, according to a Zillow® analysis …

… Since 2008, only Houston has kept up with its pre-bubble building pace, issuing more residential permits than there would have been at the historic rate. The permit pace in Las Vegas slowed the most, falling from 14.4 permits per 1,000 residents prior to the housing boom to just 3.2 permits for every 1,000 residents over the past 10 years. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Zillow: U.S. Needs 6.3M New Single-Family Homes … National Mortgage Professionals

https://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/news/68125/zillow-needs-single-family-homes

Missing from D-FW: More than 120,000 homes | Real Estate | Dallas News

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/08/14/missing-d-fwmore-1-million-homes
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August 15, 2018 11:04am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Local government costs out f control is the core problem …
  
  The rise and rise of council consent costs | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/106065042/the-rise-and-rise-of-council-consent-costs
  
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  August 15, 2018 11:45am
Jack5

Amnesty seems to have joined the anti-free-speech brigade.

It’s time to kick this organisation off the NZ charities register. Once it stood for protecting international political victims.

It’s surviving on the good record it had in the past – before the Left hijacked it.

This is in the RadioNZ report linked to about online abuse of an ethnic Samoan author:

Amnesty International is calling for a reform of New Zealand’s digital communications act to improve protections for women.

So Amnesty wants to censor the Internet. Amnesty has fallen far from its noble beginnings.

The report:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/364109/facebook-investigating-online-abuse-of-samoan-author
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August 15, 2018 11:16am
- marcw
  
  I don’t understand why Police can’t act – what is the purpose of the Harmful Digital Communications Act if it can’t be applied here? Maybe all these abusers are based overseas. IDK.
  
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  August 15, 2018 12:57pm
rangitoto

Just for Stephieboy, I thought I would post a link to some whitey culture of the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OrJW18ZyQ
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August 15, 2018 11:24am
UpandComer

https://blog.simplejustice.us/2018/08/14/prof-avital-ronell-and-the-lie-of-the-feminist-academy/

In light of Amnesty saying we have to geld free speech, and Ana Lenard the empress censor of the NZ Law Society of Gilbert Butler and her free speech death squad of feminist judges, barristers and academics, have a look.

Avital Ronell is a feminist ‘superstar’ at New York University. She specialises in the new age garblefarb of the ‘philosophy of Derrida’. That branch of thought where ‘nothing means anything’. Except of course, the statement ‘nothing means anything’. Which means the whole philosophy is a pile of effluent, like contemporary feminism.

So Avital the professional victim monger, forced a gay male student of hers, Nimrod Reitman, to have sex with her out of hatred for his rejection of women, for years, subject to duress, blackmail, and coercion.

Ronell without a doubt, sexually harrassed, and sexually assaulted Reitman, in the form of arguably hate crime.

There is a massive paper-trail which proves all of it.

She is subject to proceedings under ‘Title IX’. That’s Obama’s cultural marxist equity and diversity weapon, primed by misapplication of the US constitution.

Had any male done what she did, his life would be over.

Instead, Ronell the man-hating raper is only going to get a one year suspension.

Aaaaaallllll the feminists, like Judith Butler who Ana Lenard and Sian Elias no doubt idolise, have said she dindu nuffin.

Not only does she not deserve punishment, she deserves ‘praise’ for her ‘bravery’ at ‘subverting the narrative of the female victim’. She is ‘graceful, and eloquent’.

No – not only should Ronell lose her job and ability to work forever, just like a man would. She should be thrown into prison in general circulation. Where she can spend quality time with all the identities she fetishizes.

A speech censor in the NZ Law Society is not going to be permitted, and if one is permitted, soon enough, it will be censoring feminists.

I wonder if the NZ Women’s Law Journal will have anything to say about Ronell’s hate crime against a gay student she had power over?

What is then so hilarious is that Ronell the raper casually dismisses the querying of the hoi polloi as sexism, and then says ‘oh, you wouldn’t understand. It’s just a jewish thing and a gay thing’.

If any women’s journal members are reading, I look forward to the feminist deconstruction of the Avital Ronell, and condemnation of Judith Butler as a worthless hypocrite shill.
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August 15, 2018 11:45am
Jack5

The Hooerald has joined upper class Brits in hounding cricketer Ben Stokes, of New Zealand working class stock.

Stokes was pissed and nasty and wrong. But he’s been through a court case and has been vilified for what he did.

A sense of proportion is needed. Britain has scores of returned ISIL terrorist murderers in its midst. London is a knife-attack zone. Britain turned a blind eye to the rape of thousands of children by ~~Pakistani~~ ethnic men. And the English Upper Class is incensed about this punch-up?

Time for Britain’s snooty set to get off Stokes’s back. These are the same sort of pricks who hounded the All Black Murdoch into a hermit life for the misdismeanour of fighting a security guard.

But for goodness sake NZ media, don’t get on their side as you did in the Murdoch persecution.

The Hooerald echoes the English upper crust:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12107168
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August 15, 2018 11:47am
- marcw
  
  The 2 gay men who were being abused have thanked Stokes for stepping in to help them. This would have been a powerful influence on the jury in their decision to aquit. A quaint old English law – charged with causing an “affray”. Would our closest be “public nuisance”?
  
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  August 15, 2018 1:03pm
Monique Watson

My son’s were pissing me off so I just dropped a keyboard in the toilet.
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August 15, 2018 11:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

Middle-East gang warfare ripping through Melbourne’s suburbs

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-15/firebomb-attacks-on-homes-and-cars-linked-to-crime-war/10117670
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August 15, 2018 12:18pm
- starboard
  
  NZ needs muslim imports like a hole in the head.
  
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  August 15, 2018 12:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    The warfare in Melbourne is being waged by Sudanese refugee gangs.
    
    The latest terrorist attack in London seems also to have been committed by a young Sudanese man.
    
    The UN is funnelling into the West as refugees thousands of young men of fighting age.
    
    What’s going on?
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:12pm
  - Nermal
    
    Shhhh Cindy might hear you
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:49pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Saying “If they meet all of the immigration criteria, then they can immigrate; it’s neither here nor there if they’re a Muslim” is quite different from saying that “NZ needs Muslim imports”.
    
    Nobody is saying the latter.
    
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    August 15, 2018 4:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, Mohammed Oueida, a significant organised crime figure is thought by Victoria Police to be a behind it.
  
  Now, which one is it? The fact he is a criminal or possibly a Muslim or the colour of his skin?
  
  You appear to be preoccupied with alleged ethnic, racial and religious problems in Melbourne with your regular posts about issues there?
  
  The agenda?
  
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  August 15, 2018 2:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    I should ignore you, Stephie X, but your ignorance is unsettling …
    
    Melbourne is a large city close to New Zealand. (The flying distance between Auckland and Sydney is about the same as between Invercargill and Melbourne).
    
    Melbourne has had close ties with New Zealand for two centuries.Thousands of New Zealanders visit Melbourne. Thousands of New Zealanders live there. The Melbourne Cup horse race is one of the sports highlights of the year in New Zealand.
    
    The fact that gangs of Sudanese are creating mayhem in Melbourne is of considerable interest to New Zealanders.
    
    The fact that the latest terrorist attack is by a Sudanese refugee, and the Melbourne violence, shows that NZ needs to be on guard against accepting refugees from Sudan.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:40pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5, the facts are rival Sudanese gangs met together 25 ks North East from the Melbourne CBD at Taylor’s Hill.
      
      Metropolitan Melbourne did not descend into anarchy and chaos.
      
      Fact!
      
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      August 15, 2018 2:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Metropolitan Melbourne’
        Apart from the fact he said ‘Melbourne’ its interesting you don’t care what happens outside the Metropolitan centre.
        You really are quite stupid aren’t you.
        
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        August 15, 2018 3:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        Here are some figures on African crime in Melbourne from the web site Unshackled. It challenges allegations by Melbourne suburban mayors that news coverage has been biased against Africans:
        
        With this constant accusation that African youth crime in Melbourne is a media invention then it worth going back to the crime statistics available in Victoria. They have been reported on in the media before but the ABC decided to do some additional analysis on the latest statistics available from the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency.
        
        They found that Sudanese born offender rate is six times higher than their population share, the second highest offending nationality was another African nation Somalia for 2017-18 period. The Australian newspaper put together a similar analysis last month which concluded that Sudanese born Australians 57 times more likely to be charged with aggravated robbery than their Australian counterparts and 33 times more likely to be charged with riot and affray.
        
        Remember these statistics only reporting the place of birth of the offenders, they would not including Sudanese or other African-Australian offenders who were born in Australia. So the true African crime rate in Victoria is likely to be even higher and disproportionate. But the currently available crime statistics prove without a doubt that this issue is not a phenomena created by racists, but a serious issue in the city of Melbourne with traumatized victims and residents living in fear.
        
        https://www.theunshackled.net/rundown/melbourne-mayors-claim-coverage-of-african-crime-is-racist-what-do-the-facts-say/
        
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        August 15, 2018 4:11pm
  - starboard
    
    You really are a fuckin imbecile shariaboy. End of the day the fact is, these Sudanese are filthy feral violent scum. They have to be kicked out and no more allowed in.
    Wake up you dick and smell the coffee.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is you that sees ethnic, racial, religious divisions, stephieboy.
    
    I’m not interested in tribal divisions of society/humanity.
    
    I see folks who want to live their lives in peace and contrast them with folks who indulge in violence and abuse.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:50pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, a laudable desire. But I suggest looking closer to home even in your Gisborne Poverty Bay backyard first.
      
      Um, few Muslims or Sudanese to blame!
      
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      August 15, 2018 3:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Peaceable Kingdom extends worldwide, stephieboy.
        
        As you are in the habit of abusing other folks on this site, I will ignore your suggestions.
        
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        August 15, 2018 3:46pm
sooty

Are the wheels falling off the “Bag Ladies” bus?
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August 15, 2018 12:29pm
realityczech

The Zealots were a political movement in 1st-century Second Temple Judaism, which sought to incite the people of Judea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy Land by force of arms, most notably during the First Jewish–Roman War (66–70). Zealotry was the term used by Josephus for a “fourth sect” or “fourth Jewish philosophy” during this period. (wiki)

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/03/F170320YS88-e1490083853363.jpg
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August 15, 2018 12:41pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Splitters!
  
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  August 15, 2018 4:31pm
Longknives

Are Blockhouse Bay Primary School staff on strike?

Or are they having another $7000 staff party? Or maybe another ‘Teacher only’ trip to the Cook Islands?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11961960

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12017211

Fuck Teachers- They wouldn’t know a real job/ hard day’s work if it slapped them in the face..
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August 15, 2018 1:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Longknives’s teachers were All Blacks supporters. He never got over it.
  
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  August 15, 2018 1:16pm
  - Longknives
    
    My Teachers were fantastic Mikenmild.
    I have nothing but respect for them and keep in touch with a few to this day..
    Sadly they were a far cry from the bone carving-wearing Left Wing drips that preach ‘Socialism’ and ‘White Privilege’ to our kids today..
    
    *Refer 10:59 post
    
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    August 15, 2018 1:29pm
    - Longknives
      
      Sorry 8:59 AM…
      
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      August 15, 2018 1:35pm
    - itstricky
      
      Sadly they were a far cry from the bone carving-wearing
      
      So it seems we can add ‘bone carving’ and ‘funny names’ to the list of bug bears you have along with ‘All Blacks’
      
      When you get hung up about what necklace someone wears, or why they’ve called their kids a non-English name you can pretty much assume that the rest of the ramble has been hand heavily edited with a big helping of emotional overcompensation for some lingering childhood issues.
      
      Like when your teacher forced you to put on a black shirt with, a bone-carving and stop you in front of the class to do a haka when you were 8.
      
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      August 15, 2018 1:51pm
      - Longknives
        
        What the hell has this got to do with the All Blacks?
        
        *By the way- I was at School during the Grizz Wylie era. Was a huge fan in those days.
        The Shelford-led Haka was awesome back then too- Not the overdone ten minutes of googly eyes and tongue poking it is now…
        
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        August 15, 2018 2:13pm
- itstricky
  
  Fuck Teachers- They wouldn’t know a real job/ hard day’s work if it slapped them in the face..
  
  Because stuff like that never happens in any other industry or sector. Ever.
  
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  August 15, 2018 1:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Longknives has an unblemished record of a hard day’s work every day in his real job. So there.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:13pm
MrTips

LOL. Poor Cindy – struts out to meet the teachers and just makes things worse!! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/106253469/strike-primary-teachers-and-principals-strike-for-first-time-since-1994

She is so far out of her depth and so over-rated.
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August 15, 2018 1:52pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQbJ6gNrEH8

Footage of cars being blown up by immigrant muslim terrorists in systematic coordinated attacks all across Sweden. Watch before it gets censored by youtube.

Remember, Sweden is a multi-cultural paradise, and there are zero no-go zones. And there is no crime. The feminists in government will produce 1 trillion turnips in line with Pravda predictions. The ‘new Swiss’ have integrated. The government endorses that all women should seek out relations with the new-men.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/swedish-pm-voices-anger-burning-dozens-cars-57163477

Legacy media reports. It’s not quite the same reading it as observing it on video is it?

Feminists are responsible for the current state of affairs in Europe.

The Swedish Democrats are going to achieve a bare minimum of 20% of the vote in the upcoming elections. It could be 30%.

Once Sweden is cleansed of the stupor to which it’s been induced by feminists, slowly reality will pierce the stupor of the remaining European nations.

Contemporary feminism is a parasitic exclusionist special interest group and commercial vehicle motivated exclusively by base greed, & will-to-power, justified on purely subjective irrational grounds ex post facto. Feminism is a spiteful emanation of false, baseless constructs, where the leadership viciously insist by pure will into being spectres and apparitions which do not exist. To separate everyone from themselves and others. Senior feminists are vampires. Judith Butler is a vampire and a parasite. Avita Ronell, is a vampire and a parasite. They seek to appropriate and exploit past experiences to which their own has no relation, to achieve status, power, and pecuniary tribute.

Well it’s not going to last. In 5-8 years max, there will be no feminists in positions of power left in Sweden. Feminism is going to be regarded as a weird, heinous, ludicrous social experiment, like the Soviet Unions early disastrous dissolution by fiat of private property and private sexual relations.

Or, it will be swept away as an aberration because it successfully replaced a non-existent patriarchy in the West with the most virulent and subjugating alternative that exists – Islam.

So I hope Ms Lenard and the cabal of feminists trying to destroy free speech in New Zealand enjoy their brief moment. Internationally, the ideas they profess, which have simply been proven empirically to be invalid, are going to disappear. Everywhere.

Europe is not going to forget what happened when women got what they always said wanted.
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August 15, 2018 2:27pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Swedish Democrats won’t feature in next govt, as no other parties will work with them. Their support is still only around 20%
  
  Seems a weirdly timed incident given only 2-3weeks till election, and of no obvious benefit to those participating – just pisses everyone off. So Cui Bono – who benefits? Were these little shitheads paid off by someone to do this?
  
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  August 15, 2018 2:32pm
  - stephieboy
    
    In respect of the Gothenburg car fire bombings, the question has to be asked have the offenders being identified?
    
    It appears to be attacks were coordinated on social media by college students.
    
    That is all is known.
    
    https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/dozens-of-cars-set-on-fire-in-coordinated-arson-attack-in-gothenburg-sweden/news-story/ffeecdafd05626a3587405e28fac4f2e
    
    When can we expect similar from our Muslim youth here In Auckland and say Dunedin?
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:36pm
  - UpandComer
    
    That’s why I said 5-8 years.
    
    What, do you think the current trajectory in Sweden is just going to stop?
    
    What makes you think it will stop?
    
    What makes you think the present ruling parties can make it stop? Or even have the inclination or desire to do so?
    
    If the SD are excluded from government by the parties who say the very principle of exclusion is aberrant, thereby excluding 20% of Sweden, come next election, if there is another election, there won’t be any other political parties.
    
    It’s not women who are the issue – it’s the feminist leadership exploiting them, manipulating them, molding them into their own spiteful vicious image, and harming them for their own personal financial and social gain.
    
    Feminists have made life a living hell for women in many parts of Europe. Eventually women are going to emancipate themselves from the parasites and vampires purporting to mutate them into the form of their own personal neuroses and fantasies.
    
    Being raped and having your car blown up so that your defence minister, senior academics and judges can say how not-racist they are isn’t a sustainable female experience.
    
    And the simple fact is feminist ideology does not permit course reversal. Logical boundaries are real. They will continue down the current course they are on, until either they have ceased, or the societies that enable their parasitic, vampire existence have ceased.
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      UpandComer , Muslims have been here for a long, long time.
      
      I await the day when Dunedin experiences the same as Gothenburg in anticipation
      
      You ranting and raving fool !!
      
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      August 15, 2018 3:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X at 3.33: ” You ranting and raving fool !!
        
        The phrase books Stephiestanis learn English from are hilarious.
        
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        August 15, 2018 3:38pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Feminists universalise their personal victim narratives, real, or imagined, their own, or others, past or present into the experience of ‘women’.
      
      The feminist subsumes and substitutes the concept ‘women’ for ‘me’.
      
      They thereby are able to avoid self-implication for bad experiences or negative feelings. Nothing is ever the feminist’s fault. Her experience is simply ‘women’s’ experience.
      
      It justifies the feminist in appropriating the experiences of other women as her own. Thus an incredibly privileged, wealthy, powerful woman, can genuinely believe she is a victim, even as she victimises other women.
      
      It also explains why feminists hate, so much, and treat so viciously, women who oppose their ideas or reject their narrative and concept of ‘women’. It’s not rejection of an idea. It’s rejection of the feminists’ self. It’s rejection of the entire construct she has created to distance herself from her own bad feelings about herself.
      
      It also frees the feminist from any personal culpability in exercise of ethics or morality. Who care if Avital Ronnell destroyed a man’s life and being. She has no individual agency. She’s just an instrument of and for ‘women’. Her symbolic role supersedes her individual agency. She’s a cipher, not a person.
      
      All women thereby become the victims of the feminists’ personal experience. And all men too, are victims of the feminists’ personal experience.
      
      Ironically enough, men who accept the feminist’s projection of self onto themselves are despised by her. Feminism itself seeks it’s own subjugation. Hence the strange magnetism of feminism to Islam.
      
      Contemporary feminists never speak for women. They speak only for themselves. They care only about themselves. Their entire ideology which purports to be based in female experience is entirely about themselves.
      
      Feminists will happily see all other women dejected, lonely, and impoverished if they can feel uplifted, enriched, and a sense of community in their own loneliness.
      
      And it’s all entirely irrational.
      
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      August 15, 2018 3:55pm
  - UpandComer
    
    If it was, as you imply, a right wing false flag, how?
    
    How could a false flag necessitating the employment or de-activation of the apparatus of the security state be achieved by the party so removed from the state no other political party will even acknowledge their existence?
    
    How could the SD stand-down anticipatory surveillance and security intervention (it took police 3 hours to respond anywhere) if they themselves are under suveillance and security intervention?
    
    Why would a progressive government desperate to hold onto power and impose propaganda and censorship by any means sabotage itself? The Swedish government is so invested it’s ideological transformative agenda it has a dedicated TV series of ads aimed at making Swedish women have sex with the ‘new-Swiss’ and feel contempt towards native Swedish men. They have a minister of culture burning priceless Nordic artifacts. Why would they sabotage themselves? But if they’re the only ones with the access to the resources to do so, who was it?
    
    So if it wasn’t the SD or the ruling party, who could it have been?
    
    It’s possible it was just the youths themselves. Maybe Sweden is just in such a degraded state that a group could successfully carry out such attacks.
    
    Or perhaps, it was an external party that trained them and directed them.
    
    In which case it has been ordained that Sweden is to swing right. If not right now, then far right later.
    
    Which would suggest that the rumours about the conclusions reached at Bilderberg are true. Perhaps the individuals and families who determine the economic and social order in Sweden have realised if they continue on the current path, they will be torn from their homes and beheaded, either by muslims, or by Europeans.
    
    So maybe Europe is going to swing right again.
    
    Or maybe not – maybe it was nothing.
    
    Either way, I wouldn’t want to be a feminist in Sweden in the next 5-8 years.
    
    I’d be very careful about trying to destroy free speech any more then I already have if I’m a feminist in Sweden.
    
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    August 15, 2018 6:29pm
- GoVege
  
  “Feminists are responsible for the current state of affairs in Europe”?
  I thought it was naive fools believing in multiculturalism!
  
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  August 15, 2018 3:57pm
  - UpandComer
    
    To be a feminist in the west is to believe not just in multiculturalism, but in the superiority of every other possible culture to your own, regardless of whether that is true or not. Not because of any correspondence of the belief to reality, but because such belief is a necessary condition for the ideology.
    
    The only way the modern third wave western feminist sitting in material splendour can make plausible her irrational and implausible personal victim narrative she superimposes onto ‘women’, is to glorify all other cultures and condemn her own.
    
    The charlatan feminist can only attribute her bad feelings to external rather then personal sources if she is able to find external sources in her culture. Otherwise her feelings and her circumstances are attributable to her own faults, or simply to arbitrary caprice, or the faults of individuals which can’t be systemitised. That cannot be allowed.
    
    That’s why it is contemporary feminists who are counter intuitively the most strident advocates for multiculturalism.
    
    That’s why feminists who say they care so much about women condemn them to rape and slavery by imposing on them an Islamic patriarchy to replace the imaginary one they fabricate to explain their personal failings. Either material, or related to the self where they have achieved material success.
    
    Since the modern feminists’ negative feelings must be due to her culture rather then herself, she can dissipate those feelings if she replaces the culture without having to engage in self-evaluation and self-trial. She can explain it via any other ideology or channel she likes. That’s the root of her stances.
    
    Remember, the feminist is entirely solipsistic and narcissistic. Everything the feminist thinks and does flows from self-reference. That’s why, no matter how many women get raped, no matter if societies die, she will never waver in her support for the importation of Islam and the imposition of criminal welfare states by which she can profit from her parasitical position.
    
    To the degree modern feminism is rational, it is only rational in the sense of any other special interest group seeking economic and social advantages at the expense of others – guided by calculus centered around wrath and greed and envy.
    
    Underlying that are entirely irrational but deeply held subconscious principles that will never be acknowledged, which play out in the logic of the ideology.
    
    The bad-feel is only not my fault if it’s my culture. To dissipate the bad-feel without taking personal responsibility, I just change the culture.
    
    Modern feminism is now also, perhaps more understandably, a demand for men to retake the roles they hold in the feminists interior monologue.
    
    That’s why they despise, so much, men who call themselves feminists unless they act like chauvinists. Feminists above all love men who fulfil every stereotypical aspect of masculinity they say they despise.
    
    If you look about, the only men who are overt feminists use it as cover for their chauvinism, and the chauvinism makes no difference to their attractiveness to women. Eric Schniderman, Harvey Weinstein, etcetera.
    
    Anyway. Feminism is on a clock either way. And the adherents are incapable of changing their views.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:24pm
Manolo

Bad luck, NZ. The poor woman is hopeless and finds herself entirely out-of-her-depth:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-and-ministers-meet-teachers-at-parliament/ar-BBLWbux

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has met striking teachers at the grounds of Parliament as rallies take place in towns and cities around the country.

About 29,000 primary and intermediate teachers who belong to the NZEI union have walked out of classrooms in the first strike for 24 years.

The strike has closed hundreds of schools, affecting 400,000 pupils.
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August 15, 2018 2:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, your solution?
  
  Wage Freeze?
  
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  August 15, 2018 2:40pm
  - Manolo
    
    Get a decent PM, a man or woman of substance who can handle the job with aplomb, who can grow the economy instead of trying to redistribute wealth.
    
    Would you agree, dear stephieboy?
    
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    August 15, 2018 2:53pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, so your obviously a Simon Bridges man, eh?
      
      Or…?
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101893847/dancing-their-way-into-political-relevancy
      
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      August 15, 2018 3:28pm
Poppa

I don’t comment on WO but sometimes read their posts & one today posed an interesting question

Who would you appoint as Company CEO? Ardern or Bridges?

In my view neither are at all qualified & fear the company would suffer under their leadership. He may have a slight edge being a lawyer which is at least a sign of intellegence
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August 15, 2018 3:04pm
GoVege

80 year old lady in hospital after attempted bag snatch in Remmers.
Police are searching for a young man with “Respect Maori blood” tattooed on his chest….
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August 15, 2018 3:21pm
- DigNap15
  
  And they wonder why people don’t trust our indigenous people.
  
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  August 15, 2018 3:56pm
cmm

The Comrade Teachers form the primary down the road were out striking.

As I walked past they were packing it in after a hard day picketing and heading off. One of them was carrying a sign saying: “Teaching isn’t a 9 to 3 job.”

Oh, irony, it was 2pm!
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August 15, 2018 3:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hhahahahaha..
  
  They were sitting in one of the local cafes chin-wagging when we went in around lunchtime.
  
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  August 15, 2018 3:49pm
RF

Having watched the bag lady addressing the striking teachers on the steps of parliament made me think about speeches made in 1939 by a certain German person.

As my granny used to say… talk is cheap.
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August 15, 2018 3:39pm
- DigNap15
  
  I saw a photo of Jacinda on the steps, she looked although she was a protester.
  Prime Minsterial – Not
  
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  August 15, 2018 3:55pm
  - RF
    
    She was in her element today as a kindy teacher talking to her pupils.
    
    She talks down to everyone.
    
    Christ she pisses me off.
    
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    August 15, 2018 5:44pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Take heart, it is not just you she pisses off, comrade
      
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      August 15, 2018 6:34pm
- cmm
  
  They shudda sent in Winston. They could have sold tickets!
  
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  August 15, 2018 4:09pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

‘Necrophilia is harmless’: Australian Greens candidate called for sex with corpses to be legalised

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12107198
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August 15, 2018 3:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well you’d want to make sure your TB, Hepatitis and Cholera vaccinations were up-to-date.
  http://www.who.int/diseasecontrol_emergencies/guidelines/risks/en/
  
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  August 15, 2018 3:53pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And that’s just the corpse!
    
    That guy needs to be in a room with mattress wallpaper and long strings on his pyjama sleeves.
    
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    August 15, 2018 6:45pm
- GoVege
  
  Apparently it has been a problem in funeral parlours since ….forever. 🙂
  
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  August 15, 2018 3:53pm
  - Jack5
    
    Two psychiatrists review necrophilia in this link.
    
    They include the case of a 21–year-old female apprentice embalmer who had intercourse with between 20 and 40 male corpses. Is it possible for male corpses to have erections?
    
    http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/17/2/153.full.pdf
    
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    August 15, 2018 4:46pm
    - stigie
      
      Is there any data that women corpses can get wet and moist Jack5..?
      
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      August 15, 2018 5:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s a dry sense of humour, Stigie.
        
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        August 15, 2018 5:03pm
      - RF
        
        If they are pumped full of embalming fluid….
        
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        August 15, 2018 5:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        I wonder if the female embalmer tells us something about how “stiffs” arose as slang for “corpses”, yes arose.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:32pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Probably an appeal to the Muslim vote, Mohammed was a Necrophiliac who slept with his dead aunt Fatima.
    
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    August 15, 2018 4:47pm
- Longknives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwFE9tkq4KM
  
  “One thing
  No lie
  Ethyl’s frigid as an eskimo pie
  She’s cool in bed
  Well she oughta be ’cause Ethyl’s dead”
  
  Good old Alice Cooper! Was doing the whole ‘Shock Rock’ thing 25 years before Marilyn Manson came along..
  
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  August 15, 2018 5:12pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Well, I suppose he’s right. The corpse can’t exactly be offended, or disappointed, or unfulfilled. In fact I think this should be encouraged for certain groups of people, might put a dent in the rate at which they breed. However, I think some guidelines need to be established. Sex with skeletons is probably a health and safety risk ,so probably not to be encouraged. A certain limit should be put on how decomposed the corpse is allowed to be, Having bits fall off during the act does seem a bit messy. Also if there is a large infestation of maggots, does that cross the boundary into bestiality? Now I am sure as a politician of some standing he would have considered these weighty matters. FFS Greens, fucked in the head from the beginning of time……
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:58pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  ‘Necrophilia is harmless’: Australian Greens candidate called for sex with corpses to be legalised
  
  Well, it’s harmless to the dead person. Getting too intimate with dead things may not be harmless to a living person, but that said, we wouldn’t want to get all nanny-state on people risking harm to themselves, would we?
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:23pm
howitis

Let’s all have a big whine and show how utterly stupid some people are.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/106215905/hospital-car-parking-slammed-as-unfair-as-woman-pays-up-to-200-a-week

This woman gets married – no mention of how much she spent on that.
Fair to assume the healthcare has been covered by the taxpayer to the tune of well over $100,000 so far (Min $1000 per night hosp bed, plus any surgery, medication, tests and so on)
My stay for an accident/ surgery and 7 nights 10 years ago was $36,000 I was told.

What did they spend on a wedding in April?
Yet she whinges about $200 a week parking.
No actual figures shown and it does not stack up at $20.40 (x 7) a day but over $200 for the week.
Another case of only part of a story told by a dummy manipulative journalist.
80/20 rule. 20% truth; 80% lies.
Jessica Jones has a husband at deaths door (?) but her biggest concern is using honeymoon money for parking to visit him. So much so that it has to be in a daily newspaper.

Must be a lefty- cant budget or prioritise.
Wah wah! Everyone is mean to me – even the DHB providing a standard of healthcare that less than 20 countries in the world would with zero direct expense to me or my family.
Blah blah boo hoo… rinse and repeat.
I won’t even wish her well because she is a whiny type that is Spartan on the truth.

Crybaby of the week nomination entered for Jessica Jones.
No attempt to seek a solution or negotiate a monthly pass.
Hospital staff are very helpful at a time like this and in such circumstances.
Some are even O for awesome.
Aided and abetted by Aussie-owned stuffed newsrag and paid repeater Hannah Ross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pebaBnA6PTY
Jack Nicolson again: ‘I’d rather you just said thanks ‘
When you have to get media types on your side you have already lost.
These are the crowd that pushed the lie for weeks about shit flowing down the walls at Manukau.
The shit that is flowing is from media.
Time to call the plumber.
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August 15, 2018 3:48pm
Manolo

Twitter drops its mask:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/15/twitter-suspends-alex-jones.html

Twitter has suspended right-wing media personality Alex Jones for violating its policies, according to a Tuesday report.

Jones will be blocked from posting on Twitter for seven days, Dow Jones reported citing the company.
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August 15, 2018 3:54pm
noskire

Stuff political editor Tracy Watkins talks to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
What a joke. This girl is completely out of her depth. And WTF is going on with all the hand motions?
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August 15, 2018 6:13pm
- Longknives
  
  Fucking hell she is completely overdoing the hand gestures- it’s like watching Marcel Marceau!
  
  And Christ she looks dreadful…Stress getting to the self-professed ‘Superwoman’?
  
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  August 15, 2018 6:25pm
- DigNap15
  
  She answered all the questions.
  I dint see her tripped up.
  But the hand waving is pathetic (liek Jesus?)
  And I dont like her message
  
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  August 15, 2018 7:29pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Wonderful to see a Prime Minister actually answering questions rather than giving variations on Look, at the end of the day, I’m pretty relaxed about it akshlly.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:11pm
Gravelroad

Apologies if this has been posted earlier, but has anyone else watched today’s Parliamentary Q time?
Did I hear what I thought I heard from Shane Jones – playing the Māori race card? On behalf of Peters?
The gist of it was that if you are of Māori descent, you shouldn’t have to be questioned about jobs/perks/positions for your relatives and friends.
Sad day for New Zealand.
To those who supported Peters at the 2017 election-Is this what you voted for?
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August 15, 2018 7:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes,
  Seems you are not to enquire too deeply into cuzzie-bro relationships when folks are up for appointments.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/364177/national-questions-offensive-says-shane-jones
  
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  August 15, 2018 7:45pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Gravelroad:
  
  To those who supported Peters at the 2017 election
  
  The communication line between you and “those” is disconnected old chap. The people who loudly told us they’d vote for Winston before the election (either because they like him, or to teach National a lesson) have gone strangely quiet since!
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:08pm
  - nasska
    
    Can’t get a peep out of the demented old knowalls!
    
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    August 15, 2018 8:17pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      They seem to have gone down the same hole as Colin Craig supporters, Nasska. Speaking of which, I miss Deadrightkev, who was convinced that Colin Craig and his band of merrymen would have “a royal chance of 5% plus” at the last election!
      
      Maybe the Christian Alliance Party of New Zealand can continue the crusade on behalf of those, like Deadrightkev, who were convinced that Collin the poet had the votes?
      
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      August 15, 2018 8:19pm
      - nasska
        
        I’m already a bit concerned over the humour options for the 2020 elections Nostra. Apart from the geriatric mentioned on the “Meet our newest political party” thread time is running out for a Colin Craig or Graham Capill to stake out his territory.
        
        The New Conservatives don’t have the zing that Colin’s poetry lent their predecessors. 🙂
        
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        August 15, 2018 8:29pm
- KevOB
  
  You did hear Shane Jones as a high ranking Maori speaking as one concerned that mana had been offended. Pakeha mostly would not have been aware that indirectly seeming to question such a Maori personage is culturally offensive to them.
  
  Shane is shining.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:36pm
Bottomless_Pit

So this is a genuine question. Where is BERL Executive Director Ganesh Nana now and why are we not hearing from him the over the increasing hole in the government’s accounts. Supposedly he verified the Labour Parties numbers prior to the election and there was no fiscal hole. Basically his expertise is worth less than a pinch of goat shot. Same applies to Cameron Bagrie and several other so called experts who all rubbished Joyce’s comments. If you are dumb enough to believe what any of these idiots have to say in future you deserve everything that happens to you.
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August 15, 2018 8:08pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Economist behind Labour’s fiscal plan slams National’s claims
  
  Labour commissioned BERL to do an independent audit of its fiscal plan, which National campaign manager and finance spokesman Steven Joyce claimed had an $11.7 billion “hole”.
  
  Sounds like an independent person!
  
  Dr Nana said the allegations of a “hole” in the plan were largely down to a misunderstanding of the definition of Labour’s operating allowance.
  
  Thanks, Dr Nana, for that independent opinion!
  
  Dr Nana said BERL had worked with a range of governments and administrations over the past 60 years, and the organisation had no political affiliation.
  
  “As stated in our report to the Labour Party, we make no assessment of the individual policies themselves, nor do we judge their worth. That is for the voters of New Zealand to judge. But the numbers do make sense.”
  
  Let’s ask Dr Nana: do the numbers make sense?
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:17pm
- Nookin
  
  My recollection is that Bagrie acknowledged the second limb of Joyce’s prediction ie that if there was not a deficit, there was insufficient to cater for other expenditure.
  Surprisingly, MSM chose not to give this view any airtime.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:03pm
nasska

From time to time a budding SJW expresses an opinion on these forums to the effect that we don’t sufficiently kowtow to the Maori industry. For instance Starboard takes a few broadsides for using “Moody” instead of “Maori”.

But it’s not a new phenomenon. While searching for info on the channels of the Kaipara I came across his gem.

….The natives describe this as the largest pine or cowdie district in the island”…..

…..”extensive forests of timber, chiefly of cowdie”…..

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=FekRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA417&lpg=PA417&dq=fanny+channel+kaipara&source=bl&ots=bhhC0V6zTL&sig=2pgslm-RMlvRkGpq1LCoIFenO8Y&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi30bvuuO3cAhVY_GEKHRZeBdMQ6AEwF3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=fanny%20channel%20kaipara&f=false

Maybe the apologists should pull their heads out of their arses & listen to Te Reo as Maori pronounce it.
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August 15, 2018 8:15pm
- itstricky
  
  Maybe the apologists should pull their heads out of their arses & listen to Te Reo as Maori pronounce it
  
  Loooiiik, at the eennd of the day, I’m pretty relaxed about it akshlly – Siemon Key
  
  (Kudos to Pyscho Milt above; 9:11PM)
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:18pm
  - nasska
    
    He was educated by NZ unionist teachers itstricky.
    
    You should cut a bit of slack for anyone suffering under such a handicap.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:26pm
    - itstricky
      
      He was educated by NZ unionist teachers
      
      Who handed him the DNZE, where on p. 23 you can find:
      
      Akshully, Akshelly, Akshlly, Aaaakshelly, Ackshully, Actually, Aktully, Aktull(ee)
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    Itstricky, Simon Bridges (I don’t think you meant to type “Key”) isn’t great, but Winston Churchill had a speech impediment, too.
    
    Listen and I think you will hear Simon Bridges’s speech improve over the next year.
    
    I’m more interested in what he says, than in how he says it.
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:07pm
    - itstricky
      
      I don’t think you meant to type “Key”
      
      Let me assure you that I did.
      
      I’m more interested in what he says, than in how he says it.
      
      Guess you should whip over and tell those going on about Ardern’s hand movements where they are wrong, then?
      
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      August 15, 2018 11:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

listen to Te Reo as Maori pronounce it.
Pity wholks from RNZ never heard W(h)anganui Maori speaking.

Versions of Kauri spelling listed in the Dictionary of NZ English:
cawdi(e); coudie, courie, cowdee, cowdi(e), cowdy, cowree, cowri(e), cowry, kaudi, kaurie, kawdie, koude, koudi, kouri, kowree, kowri,
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August 15, 2018 8:37pm
- nasska
  
  Seems that the “correct” pronunciation is somewhat fluid Maggy.
  
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  August 15, 2018 8:42pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I guess we can’t tell anyone how to pronounce English any more either, because have you heard people from Glasgow speaking?
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    Aha, but the Glaswegians may well be speaking Scottish English, which is more than an accented version of Standard English.
    
    Here’s a commentator’s description of Scots English:
    
    “This is a Germanic language descending from dialects of Middle English in the Scottish Lowlands, and is spoken there, as well as in parts of Ulster. As such, it is somewhat mutually intelligible with Modern English (at least in writing).”
    
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    August 15, 2018 10:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Early versions of spelling Maori

Mahrie, Maodi, Maoude, Maouri, Mauri, Maury, Mauvre, Mawrie, Mourai, Mouray, Mouri(e), Moury,
Mowree, Mowrey, Mowrie

DNZE…p.469
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August 15, 2018 8:43pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Possibly going out on a limb here, but I’m picking that professional phoneticists were few on the ground at the time.
  
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  August 15, 2018 9:00pm
  - nasska
    
    I tend to give more credence to my ears than the expert opinions of such as “professional phoneticists” with barrows to push PM. Two points:
    
    a) Maori were tribal & dialects developed during the time when the only contact with fellow iwi was on the menu under Meat de Jour.
    
    b) The author(s) wrote the words down as they would have heard them spoken. Not as white guilt taught them to do.
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:23pm
    - itstricky
      
      Not as white guilt taught them to do.
      
      So if you use an ‘m’ and an ‘a’ in a word, that’s the result of white guilt?
      
      But ‘w’, ‘h’, ‘e’, ‘r’ and ‘o’ are all acceptable letters?
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        The best signal of “white guilt” is a white person using macrons while writing in English.
        
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        August 15, 2018 10:08pm
      - itstricky
        
        using macrons
        
        Oh noes! Not the dreaded macron! Nobody expects THE MACRON! Whatever will we do?
        
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        August 15, 2018 11:11pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      The point of being a professional phoneticist isn’t to have a barrow to push, it’s to take a physiological approach to how human sounds are produced so that you don’t need to have heard the sound to know how to make it. And before you start, no: there is no number of ignorance-based arguments that invalidates the entire field of phonetics.
      
      Yes, the authors in question wrote the words down as they would have heard them spoken. So, if you happened to know exactly how those individual authors themselves would have pronounced Mahrie, Maodi, Maoude, Maouri, Mauri, Maury, Mauvre, Mawrie, Mourai, Mouray, Mouri(e), Moury,
      Mowree, Mowrey, Mowrie, their versions might count for something. If you don’t happen to know how each individual author would themselves have pronounced the word they wrote down, their efforts count for shit.
      
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      August 15, 2018 9:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Check out Kendall’s syllabarium
        
        http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-KenGramm-t1-body-d1-d2.html#n18
        
        all the b, d, l, sounds
        and some z sounds
        
        missing from today’s Te Reo.
        
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        August 15, 2018 9:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps not everyone was happy to follow Thomas Kendall… Probably Lee & Kendall (1820)wasn’t widely available
    http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-KenGramm-t1-front-d6.html
    
    Spelling of Maori words seems to have become more standardised after the publication of
    William Williams’ Dictionary 1844
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/document/41784/william-williamss-maori-dictionary-1844
    
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    August 15, 2018 9:30pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Very much like Kauri then.
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:28pm
Jack5

Yet another case of mass rape of children in England.

Thirty men and a woman charged with rape and trafficking of girls as young as 12.

Their names tell the story: it looks like it is another ethnic crime.

The glories of multiculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6062349/Thirty-men-woman-charged-sexual-exploitation-girls-young-12.html
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August 15, 2018 9:18pm
- DigNap15
  
  Why do the Brits put up wit this?
  
  What will we do when it starts happening here.
  
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  August 16, 2018 8:30am
- DigNap15
  
  Years ago when listing suspects, they would say
  Bill Smith 32, postman or
  Jack Jones, 47 electrician.
  
  It would be great to see those pieces of shit have their occupations listed.
  
  If convicted they should be stoned to death and then sent home.
  
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  August 16, 2018 8:32am
Jack5

“Fascist” – who qualifies for the term?

An Australian philosophy professor gives his views on the ABC web site:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-15/fascism-who-is-a-fascist-anyway/10118114
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August 15, 2018 9:50pm
Monique Watson

How did the Scotsman find the sheep in the tall grass?
Satisfying!

Bing bang. Off to bed now after doing the thirteen fucking load of laundry.
Night night 🙂
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August 15, 2018 10:11pm
- Jack5
  
  I’ve posted this song about the Drunken Scotsman before, but you might enjoy it if you haven’t heard it, Monique:
  
  https://youtu.be/MZ35SOU9HTM
  
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  August 15, 2018 10:24pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Haha Hadn’t heard that one @Jack5?
    :0
    “Lad I don’t know where you’ve been, but I see you’ve won first prize”.
    
    Kind of trick wed’ve played back in the day. One poor sod woke up with no eyebrows and another with his old fulla in a gumboot 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2018 4:45am
Jack5

An interesting talk: Moriori leader Maui Solomon interviewed on Radio NZ. Solomon says there are about 6000 descendants of Moriori.

The Moriori culture sounds quite appealing.

Maui is a grandson of the last full-blooded Moriori, Tommy Solomon. Like most Chatham Islanders he likely also has genes from the brutal Maori invaders who butchered Moriori and enslaved most of the remainder. The slavery continued after the Treaty of Waitangi.

The Moriori sound to have been an almost idyllic peace loving people, a Polynesian people parallel to Maori rather than part of Maori.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018657539
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August 15, 2018 10:17pm
Jack5

China’s local body debt is at least 20 trillion yuan (about 4.4 trillion NZ dollars) and could be as high as 50 trillion yuan (more than 11 trillion NZ dollars, i.e. 11 million million NZ dollars).

That scary information is in a South China Morning Post article about the debt problems of the big inland city of Changde (which we used to call Chengdu in English; it’s in Sichuan and has about 10 million people).

Changde’s infrastructure spending spree is ending.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2159734/low-hanging-fruit-and-mountain-debt-how-chinas-credit-binge
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