General Debate 13 August 2018

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AgainstTheFlow

Regarding that California court case that awarded $440m for cancer from using the widely-used RoundUp herbicide.

The lead investigator of the only agency (IARC) that has ever found RoundUp to have any carcinogenic potential was being paid by two US law firms preparing to sue the maker of RoundUp.
https://risk-monger.com/2017/10/13/greed-lies-and-glyphosate-the-portier-papers/

Think this is fake news? The head of IARC resigned shortly after this became known.
https://risk-monger.com/2017/11/07/my-wishlist-for-the-new-head-of-iarc/
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August 13, 2018 8:01am
- holysheet
  
  Bullshit, Glysophate is phosphoric acid and an amino acid Glycine.
  Next they will say coke-cola causes cancer because it has got phosphoric acid in it.
  
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  August 13, 2018 8:12am
Captain Mainwaring

The NZ dollar continues to crash.
No surprise really given the coalition of fools running the place.
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August 13, 2018 8:01am
- DigNap15
  
  I think crash is a bit emotive.
  Continues to fall would be a better terminology
  
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  August 13, 2018 8:12am
  - VicParking
    
    Tank is a better word. When its falling and the bottom is in 2020.
    
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    August 13, 2018 8:37am
- SGA
  
  The NZ dollar continues to crash.
  
  Maybe it will, but currently it seems to be operating in the range that it has been over the last 10 years?
  https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=NZD&to=USD&view=10Y
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It is lower now than it has been since the GFC, with the exception of 2014-2016 when the global milk price collapsed leading to a bad year for NZD, business confidence etc. The CoL doesn’t have that external problem as an excuse. They are in a mess of their own making.
    
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    August 13, 2018 9:31am
    - SGA
      
      meh – the politically-minded are quick to attribute gains to their policies and losses to external forces (left, right, centre, red, blue, green, whatever – they all do it). If the dollar had slid in a similar manner and National was still government KB would be blaming the global economic uncertainty due to Trump’s anti free trade rhetoric (if not that exactly, something else like that).
      Maybe what you are saying is right, but that’s how I see the game is played.
      
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      August 13, 2018 9:39am
      - Piniwi
        
        Well SGA perhaps we are lucky you are well removed from money matters but while a long view (like sweet cheeks now favors) can be very misleading. Look at a 3 months graph to get a better image of the cause and effect of the COL. The rate of decline started after the O&G captains call and then the more pronounced drop after Orr confirmed he is their man and left the OCR alone. He was obviously “corrected” after his previous warnings of inflation coming more slowly than anticipated but it is coming. Unlike what sweet cheeks would like us to believe the fact is in the money markets the little picture is more significant than the bigger view. The latter might also remind them of so many missed signals for rapid returns. However the treat remains that things might go even further south when the US$ starts to firm up from their botany economic growth. It will even the meager NZ$0.6680 it has leveled at today seem like big bucks. Just imagine what that will do to the price of all those little battery powered the COL will replace their fleet with? Yet another reason why a fiscally responsible Government allows so much for contingencies as opposed to one restricted by self imposed fiscal limitations without contingencies provisions. Unfortunately we have entered the repeat stage that follows the rinsing but no matter what they do or what they say they will never get a clean wash. Every time it hits the spin stage the shit drips off their chin making it an embarrassment to hang outside the beltway.
        
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        August 13, 2018 2:32pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Watch the Turkish lira vs. the $US.
    
    Something is afoot.
    
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    August 13, 2018 8:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Not crashing yet.
  Wait until it hits 65 yen to the $NZ…
  
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  August 13, 2018 7:56pm
holysheet

Once there was a magical mirror. When you told the truth it gave you things, but if you lied to it, it makes you vanish forever.
One day three Politicians went to the mirror.
Judith said “I think I’m the smartest one.” She got a bunch of flowers and chocolate.
Then Amy said “I think I’m the prettiest one.” She also got flowers and chocolate.
Then Cindy said ” I think…….*poof*” She suddenly disappeared forever.
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August 13, 2018 8:05am
Fletch

Have you seen this? Patients with kidney disorders in NZ are having their dialysis rationed because immigrants (who aren’t eligible) are turning up at emergency departments to be treated. Dialysis is supposed to be three times a week – the minimum standard – but treatment is being rationed down to two times a week which Immigration New Zealand’s chief medical officer says will make patients “get sick and die quicker”. ?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/363933/dialysis-for-nz-patients-rationed-as-ineligible-immigrants-treated
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August 13, 2018 8:05am
- holysheet
  
  Cannot beat nature at work. Population control is well in hand.
  
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  August 13, 2018 8:09am
- ross411
  
  1. Tally up the visits by ineligible immigrants.
  2. If it is a pattern of abusing emergency services to obtain the service, deport them.
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:08am
- Inandout
  
  Seems fasting might contribute to Muslims getting kidney problems.
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3872613/
  Also in Saudi the Muslims are getting fatter and are having kidney problems. Good old junk food.
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:17am
DigNap15

When is the Swedish election ?
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August 13, 2018 8:15am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t you mean erection
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:22am
  - DigNap15
    
    No I said election!
    
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    August 13, 2018 1:36pm
Justitia

Seventy years ago New Zealand under then Labour PM Peter Fraser played a leading role in drafting the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Declaration guarantees the rights of “freedom of opinion and expression, including the freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media” (Article 19). It is ironic these freedoms are now under sustained attack in Jacinda Ardern’s New Zealand.
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August 13, 2018 8:19am
VicParking

Puts Farrar’s comments about Trump yesterday into prespective, he does not even know what day of the week it is.
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August 13, 2018 8:40am
- Manolo
  
  Agreed! 😀
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:03am
- Rich Prick
  
  To be fair, it’s only 11pm on the 12th in this Islamic crapistan. Where’s Stephie, he’d like his wives here, the heard instinct is strong. A flock of burquas was headed off somewhere. Probably to get shoes, or tissues, or rubber bands.
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:09am
- ross411
  
  Remember when whats his name from the taxpayer’s union posted about the free speech thing, and qualified how he didn’t agree with Southern and Molyneux but…
  
  It’s something people like him and Farrar have to do the hysterical disclaimer that they don’t like X (for unstated and likely unprovable reasons), but…
  
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  August 13, 2018 9:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Delingpole had something to say on this very matter:
    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/01/delingpole-tommy-robinson-is-free/
    Commentators now feel compelled to abase themselves by prefacing centrist stances with a quick: “I hate x right winger for [unspecified reason, signalling to left not to hunt me down and kill me] but their position on y makes sense.
    
    Sign of the times and the control the fascist left lynch mob wields.
    
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    August 13, 2018 9:41am
- Piniwi
  
  But VP most know his position on matters Trump and much prefer the open door that allows us to not only hear it but challenge it if it is not what we want to hear. One of the pure joys of free speech we are all ready to defend and fight for when it is under threat. Many also know he can be intentionally provocative as a means to stimulate open a free debate with only the trolls dragging down the tone of exchanges.
  
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  August 13, 2018 2:42pm
mikenmildagain

How about we get back on this GD thread, and save the 14 August one for tomorrow?
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