General Debate 12 August 2018

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Fletch

As reported on by 1 News last night, some woman who used to work for Trump by the name of Omarosa Manigaul has written a book about Trump called ‘Unhinged’, where she alleges that Trump used ‘the N word’. Looking into it more deeply, it turns out to be triple hearsay. The so-called source of the allegation denies it ever happened –

I’m in @Omarosa’s book on page 149. She claims to have heard from someone who heard from me that I heard Trump use the N-word.

Not only is this flat-out false (I’ve never heard such a thing), but Omarosa didn’t even make an effort to call or email me to verify. Very shoddy work.

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1027989937470066688

Of course, that didn’t stop 1 News from breathlessly reporting on it with the kind of glee they reserve only for dissing Trump.
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August 12, 2018 8:04am
- oldpark
  
  @Fletch.
  Yes same far left Lunatics on their Six o’clock “news” called anyone supporting Free Speech, were in fact” Free Speech Fanatics”. Of course being a mouthpiece for the Peters selected Coalition of Corruption and Chaos they are into “fake news “donkey deep.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:02am
- KevOB
  
  TVNZ_1 had the full monty from the book too. The NZ govt officially loves Trump oar least respects a Head of State.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:09am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes.. but why shouldn’t he use the word ‘nigger’ anyway? The negroes even call themselves niggers! I don’t live in America, but I know white people are often referred to as honky or, even worse, white trash. What’s the big deal?
  
  People here call me a white pig – pakeha – all the time. I’ve just learned to smile and move on.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Apart from that not being the meaning of pakeha, are you suggesting that President Trump should be more open in his use of racial epithets?
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    White mofo’s according to the ctrl left most prominent racist, Hone Haewera only to be eclipsed by Davidson
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:13am
    - starboard
      
      Please, everybody read this and forward to as many people as you can.
      About time we had some balance to the bullshit.
      
      http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2018/08/12/remembrance/
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:09pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Sorry, fat fingered downtick. Should have been an uptick. That post is very educational. Thanks for the link
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:22pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Did you see the TV news item about the horrific plastic bags? A person swimming in the sea with copious numbers of PHOTO SHOPPED plastic bags floating about her!! Blatant propaganda.
  
  I was shouting at their so-called news on several occasions last night.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    You shouldn’t watch TV news if your only purposes in doing so is to get outraged. Stay in your safe places, like Kiwiblog, where you can virtue signal with like-minded snowflakes.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:59am
    - Harkman
      
      This coming from a guy protesting beside streams over the last 9 years. Why did you suddenly stop Mike? The streams aren’t any cleaner.
      
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      August 12, 2018 10:06am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Thank you for your concern milky. While watching the propaganda they call news, I was eating my ethnically diverse curry, along with a beer from a country that is a member of the European Union. I had my hubby as my support person, and the cat to stroke to reduce my anxiety issues caused by Lefty propaganda.
      We must be aware and informed while we fight for OUR FREEDOM from this clawing Coalition of Losers and Liars…
      And keep a sense of humour. ?
      
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      August 12, 2018 10:17am
  - dave_c_
    
    Indeed – My wife was attempting to quieten me down on several occasions !
    
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    August 12, 2018 12:38pm
- Harkman
  
  Kellyanne Conway’s hubby also shot down Omarosa.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:07am
srylands

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/106194466/tinker-bells-wings-clipped-by-air-new-zealand

Why does the media indulge these people?
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August 12, 2018 8:07am
- igm
  
  Fairfax Filth only report shit that appeals to the followers of Crockery and its progressive scum. Likewise TVNZ and NPA, all taking their overseas news from CNN verbatim. Don’t know why people even bother listening/reading their crap.
  I/we do not buy any item of substance if it is advertised by any of these media outlets, or if we do, it is really necessary.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:14am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm , , more rabid right bedlam for the 15th?
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:52am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Like flies to Islamic shit, stephie turns up with an incoherent one-liner that means nothing. What’s with the fucked up commas? Are you really a chimp bashing at a keyboard?
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:00am
  - 3-coil
    
    igm – MSM are totally obsolete. Sunday Star⭐️Times this morning confirms its position as NZ’s shittiest error-riddled tabloid rag with a full front page story of some Canterbury couple’s divorce battle over their property division. Capped off by a front page photograph of “Sophie” (the wife) where they’ve botched up with a photo of some dude in a suit.
    
    If that’s the most urgent news a so-called national newspaper can offer up, they are fucked. Trashy gossip does not make “news”. This just shows up SST as the pathetic curtain twitchers they are, expecting those of us (stupid enough to pay for this rubbish) to share their fascination with this prurient crap.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:26am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Because stupid people lap this stuff up, and smart people can’t help but watch in morbid fascination at the car crash of stupidity that inevitably follows.
  
  On the substance of the story, East Asian (and especially Japanese) customers will assume that a person with a tattoo is a gang member or at the least be an unsavoury person due to the Yakuza culture in Japan. So Air New Zealand prohibit visible tattoos on staff.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Tatoos? Bad?
    Damn right!
    
    (Reaches into box of Japanese societal generalizations…)
    
    What kind of person would mark their body like that. They must be of unsound character!
    
    (Isn’t diversity of values wonderful. It’s nice to have a Japanese perspective in your culture, no?)
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:19am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Surely in this day and age, AirNZ recruiting staff would have the clues not to actually give the real reason for turning down an applicant, even if the rules state specifically No Tattoos.
    Every snivelling Tinkerbell/ Snowflake goes running to the media when they hear the word NO these days.
    #fakenonnews
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:26am
- lifesgood
  
  Good on Air NZ. Tattoos make women look like trailer trash. Not the image the airline would wish for. I will email them to congratulate their stance. People are so idiotic, they don’t think through the consequences of disfiguring their bodies and, of course, it’s never their fault. What grown woman has tinker bell on her back, anyway?
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:17am
  - Harkman
    
    Good to know I’ve come to the right place. I was beginning to think I was the last one without one lately.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Come out of the closet Harkman, you are not alone!
      
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      August 12, 2018 10:17am
      - Harkman
        
        You mean sort of like this?
        
        https://youtu.be/DuRBMQfHzjs
        
        Or
        
        https://youtu.be/Nq_l1tnT8JE
        
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        August 12, 2018 2:19pm
- dime
  
  She’s 46 ffs. They should be made to retire by 30.
  
  Emirates has the right idea. Their waitresses are young and slim.
  
  Who wants their coffee served by a Bush pig with a giant back stamp?
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:17am
  - stephieboy
    
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    dime, “Bush Pig” fits perfectly your grunts and squeals persona to a Tee!
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:49am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Yap, yap, another day of infantile yapping at every passing post. Yawn
      
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      August 12, 2018 8:58am
    - pentwig
      
      does your goat bite you stupidboy?
      please provide references
      
      LOL
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:43am
    - Harkman
      
      Come on this guy offers nothing to this site. If we have to have a disagreeable person to challenge us, at least make it Kimbo. This guy is obnoxious.
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        He should be expelled. How dare he object to dime’s call for airlines to only hire cabin staff that he wants to leer at?
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:00am
      - dime
        
        thats it milky. the call came after that one comment in isolation.
        
        i dont leer at anyone. im just a traditionalist when it comes to waitresses – no stamped pigs.
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:06am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        The only guys I’ve ever seen refer to women as pigs were so physically and mentally unattractive themselves that I could only assume self-awareness was non-existent in them. Or maybe it was a reflection of some inner self-loathing. Either way, see a therapist.
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:48am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But dime is devastatingly handsome, comfortably rich now, and has found a wife after following PUA advice, so I feel he might by an exception to your rule there, PM.
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ????
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:00am
      - starboard
        
        Dimes right. On the VERY few occasions I’ve flown with air auckland, Ive have had to put up with fat female hosties with arses ( and attitudes) so big they would slam me every time they walked past. Emirates, Thai Air and Air Asia have it sorted. No fattys.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:18am
      - dime
        
        “But dime is devastatingly handsome”
        
        Never claimed anything along those lines.
        
        I definitely don’t look like small town nz trash though.
        
        Aside from that, I’m cashed up and my chick is amazing 🙂
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:21pm
  - Random Punter
    
    I once read an advertisement in a Jordanian newspaper for air hostesses for Royal Jordanian Airlines which included the requirement “Height must be proportionate to weight”. Presumably a tactful way of saying “No fatties”.
    
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    August 12, 2018 1:50pm
- G152
  
  Because they have an agenda set by the left
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:26am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Don’t watch a channel with a number lower than 10. You will feel much better
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:56am
  - starboard
    
    Id rather watch infomercials or stick pins in my eyes.
    Even the Thai news channel blows TVNZ apart..and they’re borderline average, at best.
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:20am
Manolo

Obama’s town:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-violence20180810-story.html

“Chicago is a scary place to be,” Hines said. “Even I’m scared to walk to the corner store.”

The boys were among 20 people shot Friday and early Saturday, one of them fatally. Three other juveniles were wounded in attacks in the city, including a 12-year-old girl.
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August 12, 2018 8:16am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Chicago is a third world unamerican shithole, 72% Mexican/African with some white trash mixed in, and it has the crime rate and poverty comparable to those respective shit holes.
  
  Trump should start the wall by doing a pilot project around cities like Chicago, crime is under reported too, corruption rampant. It’s so bad the police are paying criminals not to murder people. Of course they still do.
  
  https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4292260/richmond-program-lower-crime
  
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  August 12, 2018 12:50pm
Chuck Bird

This is an outrage. Will national propose legislation that will stop this will stop this sort of nonsense?

He robbed a woman seriously injured in a car crash – but a judge won’t let us name him

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12104639
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August 12, 2018 8:17am
- ross411
  
  Fake news told real news, and got called out for it, and blamed. The real victim here is the judge who has to shelter the other victim, the criminal.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:27am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  The Chief Justice would be doing her job to issue an instruction about press freedom and Judges’ suppression of information.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:27am
  - Viking2
    
    That particular feminist is on her way out the door. Turned 70 so off she goes.
    
    It would be nice to appoint a Male to the job.
    Will that happen?
    Unlikely.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12105035
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:09am
    - Paulus
      
      The succession in and to the Supreme Court was worked out by Helen Clark and Heather Simpson years ago on an age/person basis so she would know the succession years in advance.
      Look at who becomes eligible for the top job and you will see.
      
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      August 12, 2018 1:42pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Protecting “Mum’s” reputation seems to have played a significant part in this decision.
  Shame Mum hadn’t had a more community minded influence over her son’s criminal behaviour eh?
  And the bit about offenders chucking their toys out of the cot at the drug rehabilitation centre and running away to commit more crimes because they might have been publicly identified is, well, just childish.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:38am
  - artemisia
    
    Sometimes parents influence the bad behaviour of their offspring. Sometimes it is other influences.
    
    Once peer pressure kicks in parents don’t have too much say.
    
    I know good parents who agonise and do their utmost with not much benefit. Until the offspring grow up, which can be a long wait.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:30am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Mmmm- it is reported in the story that one of the reasons for name suppression of this offender is because his Mum is high profile and the community group she is associated with might fold if negative publicity results.
      To me, this starts a precedent. Where does it stop?
      I know several people with high profiles and excellent reputations who have had to suffer because of the indiscretions and convictions of family members being reported.
      This is especially wounding for them if they live in a small town – but, they just have to get over it and move on best they can.
      
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      August 12, 2018 10:10am
      - starboard
        
        “Judge McNaughton also claimed the offending was of “no particular public interest”.
        
        This cretin of a judge is a loon. He must be mentally unstable, certainly unfit for the job. He must be dismissed, with haste.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:28am
Monique Watson

Haha This looks to be nteresting:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105777386/biggs-vs-biggs-new-zealands-multimillion-dollar-david-and-goliath-divorce

59 Million. Stingy My Biggs thinks his wife should get $15 mill out of $59 Mill. No-Fault divorce here in California. You walk away with half. With the Biggs, they are going to walk away with half of **** all. Id say they end up dividing about half of $35M

Was I a bit too cutting in my retort to dear wee Stephie Boy last night? In which case, I regret and withdraw about 20% of it. Abide by the rest. You do not make disparaging or marginalising remarks about mental illness. Unless you’re a kid. It’s a common retort: “You’re dumb”, “No you’re dumb”. Which is why I was questioning SB’s age 😉
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August 12, 2018 8:22am
- dime
  
  If I had to live under california law, I’d stay single
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:30am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Too late for Mr Watson. And we have a “Pull the ripcord agreement”. Whoever initiates proceedings gets full custody of five kids!
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:51am
    - dime
      
      lol
      
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      August 12, 2018 10:07am
- stephieboy
  
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  Monique Watson, You’re dumb etc? Beats being called a C…, a Perv, throw yourself off a tower, Septic etc.
  Have you been called same on KB?
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:36am
  - Monique Watson
    
    No
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:40am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Hey SB, Monique says you’re dumb….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWirGxV7Q8
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:42am
    - Monique Watson
      
      🙂 Legend.
      
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      August 12, 2018 8:54am
  - Swifty
    
    By your behaviour you will become known.
    
    You have earned every single one of those names.
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:47am
  - axeman
    
    ‘Beats being called a C…, a Perv, throw yourself off a tower, Septic etc.’
    
    Doesn’t that only come from the flock at St Albans?
    
    lol
    sigh
    etc
    
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    August 13, 2018 12:52am
AgainstTheFlow

Re the plastic bag ban – having the PM take policy direction from her inner nine-year-old is simply killing business confidence.

Want to know future government policy? Just ask the Point Chev year 5 class what letters they’ve written to MPs.
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August 12, 2018 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  “I recived hundreds and Hundreds of letters about single use plastic bags” And OIA request should sort out this. All from five year olds I bet!!
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:10am
  - dime
    
    she has! and all of those kids wanted to do it! they werent forced by teachers or parents.
    
    the woke up and said – “ya know what? im gonna write to the fucking PM about plastic bags!”
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:08am
    - Longknives
      
      Amazing eh Dime?
      When I was ten all I cared about was playing cricket with my mates and watching Battlestar Galactica on TV- Nowadays seems all the kids are just ‘Sooo worried about Social issues’!
      
      *My parents weren’t Green Party Activists mind…
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:58am
- KevOB
  
  We are just begun launching our new product range all packed in plastic, all sourced from China and all hard to clean to recycle.
  
  What next will the juveniles who pass for Govt bring out to worry us?
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:16am
  - waikatogirl
    
    We are being herded towards no plastic being acceptable and made to feel like a criminal for going to the supermarket without your reusable bags. ?
    
    We are losing our FREEDOM!!!
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:40am
    - Viking2
      
      Well there is hope for you. Conversation a couple weeks back with a Countdown customer.
      This lady has a motel and works outside in another role. So busy.
      Her answer is.
      I order Sat morning on line, have it delivered on Sunday, all in crates and in the one use bags. Which she reuses in the rubbish bins of the motel.
      
      So have suggested to my lady that she shops on line. save time and cheaper. Cheaper because you don’t browse and put in stuff. you get what you order.
      
      sounds a good deal to me.
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:19am
- Notsofast
  
  The plastic bag for carrying groceries is the most ecofriendly aid to logistics ever invented. I struggle to think of a better and more efficient object. 500 or a thousand a year per family, this use of oil should be protected, this is one or two kilograms annually of a reusable recyclable item.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:28am
  - KevOB
    
    Yes. has anyon
    
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    August 12, 2018 1:02pm
    - KevOB
      
      That was messed up by computer having a random whatsit.
      
      I weighed the bags around the house: av. 6.85gm or 145/Kg.
      
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      August 12, 2018 2:12pm
EAD_TWO

I am certain this has nothing to do with homosexuals 🙂

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6037657/Two-new-antibiotic-resistant-strains-gonorrhoea-detected-Australia-time.html

But remember folks – the most important thing is don’t allow young people who are bomarded with homosexual propaganda and are confused about their sexuality to see a counseller (sorry “gay conversion therapy”).

PS: spot the Coudenhove Kalegri miscegenation propaganda further down the article. Could be one of those exciting diverse Sudanese Yoofs who are so enriching Melbourne 🙂
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August 12, 2018 8:25am
- Pharmachick
  
  Then you are certainly correct. It has to do with bacterial mutation and survival of resistant strains (Darwinian evolution).
  
  Antibiotic resistance may well be the biggest medical crisis currently facing humanity.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Won’t magic manuka honey kill all these bugs and make Kiwis rich, Pharmachick?
    
    (Aussies, too, since manuka is also native to Australia.)
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:58am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Spectinomycin … last line of defense (they’re reporting varied utility in the NE states of the US).
      
      Also depends on if it’s real manuka or the straight-out-of-China stuff most often sold ?
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:04am
      - Jack5
        
        Develop and patent a synthetic version, Pharmachick.
        
        If you need capital, try a crowd raising, and make all of us Kiwibloggers rich.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:11am
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Jack,
        
        Chasing (IDing) the individual compounds in a natural mixture, then testing for sole vs. Mixture effects, then having a synthetic/pharmaceutical chemist recapitulate with slight patentable structural changes = fools errand, 20 years and a long shot to boot. NOT to say it hasn’t been done (after all somebody wins lotto eventually)… but won’t really be mainstream ever again EXCEPT maybe in this exact case… we could be antibiotic-less by 2050… ??
        
        PS could maybe reformulate the honey into a proprietary mixture, but again, don’t know what about the honey (other than hygroscopic nature) is antibiotic.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:18am
      - Viking2
        
        Silver has been a very effective antibiotic and has been around for centuries.
        But the pharma companies cannot make any money out of its use so the don’t bother.
        It is being used here in NZ in creams and is effective.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:22am
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Viking
        Copper too. (Warning anecdote/case study alert) My farrier uses copper nails and they’re definitely an improvement for us and his other 100 or so clients.
        
        US army also uses chitin embedded in wound dressings (bandages) works b/c of the -ve charge. Can’t be taken orally tho – same charge causes explosive diarrhea ?
        
        Also taking Ag or Cu orally isn’t helpful, not very bioavailable
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:26am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Are you in the pharmacy industry here, Pharmachick? If so, is it correct that the Pharmacy Guild here changed its code of ethics to make it easier for pharmacists to sell magic potions instead of actual medicines?
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:30am
      - Pharmachick
        
        @mma not currently in NZ but trained there and not a Pharmacist (but I train them & Med students in drugs as well as the odd corporate consult for [insert names here] on drug development. I’m a pharmacologist).
        
        The NZ Phcy guild did make a submission in late 2016 to the govt panel on natural health product regulation (NHP) that contains some softening of the Phcy Guilds stance towards NHP that haven’t been tested like a pharmaceutical…
        
        http://www.pgnz.org.nz/media-and-submissions/submissions/legislation/submission-on-the-regulation-of-natural-health-products/download
        
        In general with Phcy becoming less profitable and more business driven (esp. the corporates as opposed to independents), there’s a tendency towards this in NZ and worldwide.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:44am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks. I remembered something a bit more than that, and is so often the case, Google is one’s friend:
        https://honestuniverse.com/category/series/ethical-pharmacy-practice/
        So yes, pharmacists changed their code of ethics so that they would no longer be held professionally liable to sell actual medicine instead of lolly water.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:53am
    - KevOB
      
      The NZ Tea Tree Leptospermum scoparium is not the same as the Australian Tea Tree Melaleuca alternifolia. The latter has superior medicinal properties and is outshone again by others.
      
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      August 12, 2018 2:23pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        “The latter has superior medicinal properties and is outshone again by others.”
        
        Be careful with the application of the words “medicinal properties” since much of what is published around this industry is junk.
        
        There are [to my knowledge] a few very intriguing studies that suggest NZ Manuka honey has topical antibiotic properties. But serious RCT have also not [to my knowledge] been performed.
        
        Perhaps the MPI could sponsor a proper Manuka clinical trial as a view to developing future markets and also, just perhaps; as an apology for the cluster chucks that have been **varroa**, apple moth, and currently M. bovis (apologies lack of italics for Latin, I don’t know how).
        
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        August 12, 2018 2:37pm
      - KevOB
        
        @Pharmachick
        There are substantial papers on Melaleuca. It is very effective antiseptic and fungicide. The NZ comparative has been tested and the Aus wins on the lab counts.
        
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        August 12, 2018 5:44pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @KevOB… antiseptic does not equal antibiotic. Sorry, but I’m not just being a pedant. Yes, there are antiseptic studies that show promise, but the proof of antibiotic are few and far between proper scientific/medical studies.
        
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        August 12, 2018 6:30pm
  - tf78
    
    I sometimes wonder whether the anti-biotics we use these days have been slightly weakened in strength so one day some one will come out and say “we’ve found the cure for the super bugs”, by putting them back to their original strength.
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:06am
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      I wish that were true… sadly no, the bugs are just constantly another step ahead.
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:10am
Nukuleka

Ruth Davidson, the Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, and regarded by many as a potential future leader of the Tories berates Boris Johnson for his joke about the burka looking like a letterbox and says that a woman wearing the burka is no different from a Christian wearing a crucifix.

So this supposedly intelligent woman, a lesbian ‘married’ to her female partner and presumably someone who regards women as the equal in every respect to a man, thinks that forcing a woman to wear a garment that totally obscures her head in deference to her husband, father and all other male members of her ideology is no different from a small cross that men and women choose to wear and which is often wholly obscured beneath a shirt or blouse.

To this the party of Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher comes.
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August 12, 2018 8:29am
- Toko
  
  There is building outrage that the Tory party wants to send Boris to the Gulag for Diversity Training. The UK hate speech laws are proving a boon for shutting down freedom of expression, and NZ needs to avoid that path. Boris Johnson being the former mayor of one of the most diverse cities in the world and former foreign secretary understands multiculturalism, but takes no crap. Why on earth would the Tories want to support burka wearing in the UK? There’s no votes in it, and it is disliked by most conservatives, many Muslims and a fair number of Labour voters. Boris clearly scares the shit out of the odious Mrs May. I hope he can roll her soon and get Brexit sorted and move the Conservatives back to a more centre right party.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:57am
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    If we assume that at least some women choose to dress ‘modestly’ in accordance with their cultural traditions, why on Earth would any freedom-loving conservative politicians wish to force those women to dress otherwise?
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:11am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Love the ‘assumption’ milkey. Christian men and women- and plenty of non Christians as well- CHOOSE to wear a cross round their neck. Even if there are some Muslim women who CHOOSE to wear a full face burka most are OBLIGATED by the male patriarchy of their ideology to wear it.
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:21am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        You misspelled “forced under threat of violence”
        
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        August 12, 2018 9:41am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I have a suggestion. Let’s encourage some bikini clad beauties to wear the burka, and a bikini. Lets see how well that goes down
        
        Something like this…
        
        http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2010/10/12/french-students-protest-burqa-ban-with-high-heels-mini-shorts/
        
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        August 12, 2018 6:47pm
    - holysheet
      
      Milkys mama is so ugly when Santa came down the chimney he said ho! ho! holy shit!
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:26am
      - stigie
        
        Starboard never told us he puts a paper bag over her head..?
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:30am
      - starboard
        
        Just do her doggy stigie.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:51am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh starboard. You know Mum doesn’t have a doggy, let alone one that she lets you do.
        
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        August 12, 2018 7:59pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Stay ignorant Mikey, maybe check out Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and other Islamic countries post war before the Theocratic Govts came to power.
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Do you mean before multiple invasions empowered more radical Islamic movements?
        I have no truck with religions of any kind, let alone ones that empower groups to enforce such ‘traditions’ as head scarves, let alone full-scale bin liners. But just as I wouldn’t forcibly suppress a Christian cult like Gloriavale, neither would I ban forms of dress just because some adherents might be forced to wear them.
        
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        August 12, 2018 9:46am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Like I said, stay ignorant.
        
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        August 12, 2018 9:59am
  - KevOB
    
    The local supermarkets don’t have burka clad checkout staff.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:18am
    - holysheet
      
      Not yet. Just wait for the diversidy requirement from Cindy, that all retailers have a number of them to serve these delicate flowers.
      
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      August 12, 2018 10:48am
    - godruelf
      
      Shame would love to be in that queue with the trolley full of piss and pork roast…
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Comedian Roman’s Atkinson wrote in a letter to The Times: “As a lifelong beneficiary of the freedom to make jokes about religion, I do think that Boris Johnson’s joke about wearers of the burka resembling letterboxes is a pretty good one.”
    
    He added: “All jokes about religion cause offence, so it’s pointless apologising for them.
    
    “You should really only apologise for a bad joke. On that basis, no apology is required.”
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:28am
    - Harkman
      
      Lately you hear Hollywood stars preaching more and more nonsense. So Rowan’s letter was reassuring. Letterboxes “is” hilarious. As was Blackadder 3 and 4.
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:52am
      - Longknives
        
        Blackadders 2,3 and 4 were the three best Comedy series I think I have ever seen..
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:10pm
      - Harkman
        
        As a child I thought Blackadder was scary but after the earthquakes it really pulled me through. The one with the “Rotten borough” was priceless, William Pitt the Younger, hilarious and the socks. Hugh Laurie was brilliant. That Goes Forth series was a masterpiece. Just shows how a lot of TV at the moment is completely sh!t.
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:33pm
EAD_TWO

If you look at headlines like these, there’s only one logical conclusion you can reach:

There’s something wrong with every nation on earth but absolutely nothing wrong with the behaviour of Jews.

Nothing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91227283/antisemitism-on-rise-in-new-zealand-jewish-leader-says

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/south-koreas-jewish-problem/

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/25/opinion/l-reason-for-concern-in-japanese-anti-semitism-814787.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-anti-semitism-spikes-south-african-jews-say-enough-is-enough/

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/opinion/enrique-krauze-anti-semitism-stirs-in-latin-america.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/10/the-rise-of-antisemitism-in-australia-has-a-distinctly-american-tone

It’s truly amazing how many people in how many different civilizations all across the world throughout thousands of years have disliked them for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.
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August 12, 2018 8:32am
- EAD_TWO
  
  If your friend gets kicked out of an apartment, you’d probably believe his story that the landlord was crazy and hated him for no reason. If he got kicked out of 109 apartments, you’d have to see that he’s the problem.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:33am
  - Swifty
    
    Not if the 109 apartment owners have been taught since birth to hate that friend – and as according to the scribblings of piss-stained goat herders.
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:43am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      But it’s not really been Islamic countries they’ve been kicked out of time and time again now is it?
      
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      August 12, 2018 8:57am
      - Swifty
        
        Why do you assume I wasn’t referring to the Bible?
        
        The Catholic Church has referred to them as ‘Christ killers’ for nearly 2,000 years.
        
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        August 12, 2018 9:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Stop beating around the bush, EAdolf. We all know by now that the Jews are bad news. But what do you ‘modern’ national socialists propose to do about them this time around?
        
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        August 12, 2018 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, your answer to the matters you raised is here ,
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-president-elect-alt-right-white-supremacists-nazi-hitler-salutes-richard-b-spencer-a7431216.html
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:44am
  - Simon
    
    Soyboy as you are one of the fluffers for Labo.
    
    Do you genuinely think when it comes to the economy that the Prog Princess knows what she is doing?
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:53am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Richard Spencer has voted for the Democrats and for John Kerry
    
    ‘But he (Spencer) has voted in Dallas County and in at least two other states besides Texas, according to voting records obtained by The Dallas Morning News. Some of those votes were for Democrats.
    “What did it say? I’m curious,” Spencer, 39, said when asked by The News about how he cast his votes. “John Kerry in 2004, right?”
    Spencer did vote for Democrats in the 2004 Dallas County primary by mail-in ballot, records show.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, 2004 enough time for disillusionment and derangement to set in.
      
      John Kerry with his Vietnam service was something of a hero back then. Unlike your Donald Trump who evaded service every step of the way.
      
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      August 12, 2018 12:24pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        “John Kerry with his Vietnam service was something of a hero back then. ”
        
        You really need to keep up and learn stupidboy.
        Kerry’s acccount of his service in the Navy Swift boats was disputed and discredited by many of those who served with him.
        Like Obama, John Kerry was all bullshit.
        
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        August 12, 2018 4:41pm
- KevOB
  
  What’s with your fixation over Jews?
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:19am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Their behaviour
    
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    August 12, 2018 4:56pm
holysheet

Hone and Kelvin are out pig hunting in the bush, when Hone collapses. He doesn’t seem to be breathing and his eyes are glazed. Kelvin whips out his phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps, “My cuzzie is dead! What can I do?” The operator says “Calm down. I can help. First, let’s make sure he’s dead.” There is a silence, then a gun shot is heard. Back on the phone, Kelvin says “OK, now what?”
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August 12, 2018 8:38am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Another happy day in Beijing, sorry, I mean Auckland.

I get confused, sometimes

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2159149/immigration-officers-detain-japanese-politician-hong-kong
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August 12, 2018 8:50am
- Jack5
  
  Kiwi in Paris, you can’t have been in this country when we had the discussions, the political debates, the votes on the ethnic re-engineering of NZ.
  
  This structural change to the country was widely covered in the print media, the State TV and radio, and the private radio stations.
  
  The media gave a wide range of representative opinions, and there were newspaper cartoons from Left to Right – across the political spectrum. At the elections, candidates were probed on their views on this leading issue.
  
  Then we voted in the biggest ethnic change since Western colonisation, and, with the new consensus, there was no need for another treaty.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:07am
  - Jack5
    
    When you think about it, the second great ethnic revolution in NZ was a model of how to bring about drastic change in a democracy by the political equivalent of local anaesthetic.
    
    The anaesthetic being the soothing and submission of the media, other commentators, the religious, the swathe of organisations and pressure groups – all numbed into silence by the fear of being branded R-A-C-I-S-T-S.
    
    The strategy for change: make even more abhorrent a class of opinions and actions, then brand every opposition to what you advocate as an example of this abhorrent state. That will shut up discussion and possibility of opposition.
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:18am
    - Jack5
      
      I overlooked the other part of the campaign for change.
      
      In addition to stifling any opposition by branding it with a stigma , there is a plethora of media coverage in subtle and indirect support of change.
      
      In the NZ ethnic-change example, there was more than a decade of identifying and highlighting the happy and valuable contributions of new New Zealanders: pictures of cute foreign school children; the chatter of celebrity airheads rabbiting on about the culinary delights of new ethnic restaurants; widespread virtue signalling of how many benefits were being brought by multiculturalism; and subtle and not so subtle implications of how stale and narrow our predominantly Western culture had become.
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:50am
- Pharmachick
  
  @Kiwi_in_Paris – any of this true, or a beat up by MSM?
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/11/residents-ultra-chic-paris-quarter-outraged-bad-taste-open-urinals/
  
  I know something needed to be done re: public urination, but surely this is a joke/some sort of performance art. Also hard to believe because: Ile Saint-Louis (Kiwis, think of same in Parnell Rise in AKL, Cuba St in Welly, or The Mall in Qtown)
  
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  August 12, 2018 1:51pm
  - Random Punter
    
    Nothing new here, surely. French cities and towns used to be dotted with such facilities called, if I remember correctly, “vespasiennes”, after the Roman emperor Vespasian.
    
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    August 12, 2018 2:39pm
Simon

America is holding up the world economy. Without the Trump Admin it would all be gone.

China is an empty shell, EU a regulated waste land and emerging markets which relied so heavily on USD debt funding are finished.

India, Turkey & Indonesia.

Capital flight to the US. Better own USD, preferably in a US financial institution.

Bad news out of Australia with heavy handed regulation.

Look at the rank mongs responsible for NZ’s economy.

Does anyone think the Prog Princess actually knows what she is doing?
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August 12, 2018 8:51am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  I’d agree with your last line.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:56am
- KevOB
  
  We’ll find out in due course if the US has any substance. That’s hard to come by when your corporates offshore their income and excessive military spending is funded by money creation.
  
  Aus. is beginning to notice the global credit reduction coming to a place near you.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:24am
- Inandout
  
  When will people realise that Trump is a smart businessman rolled up in a politician; a rather unusual combination? He will sort the world financial mess to America’s advantage, and we will have to find ways of befriending him. The embedded swamp will fight tooth and nail to bring him down, by fair means or foul, but thank goodness he has the top job.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:45am
DigNap15

Today’s Maori Vocabulary lesson no 5, our last for the week.
The Maori word for Compromise is….
Oh, I cant find it in my printed Maori dictionary.

(I will wait and see what our resident Maori language experts come up with)
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August 12, 2018 8:58am
- Komata
  
  DN15
  
  Compromise; Two words: ‘Te Treati’
  
  (Just saying… )
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Would you like some links to te reo course providers?
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:16am
  - starboard
    
    Yes please. I want to spam them.
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:58am
- VicParking
  
  Either Whakaae or most likely taku katoa
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:17am
- KevOB
  
  Compromise would mean loss of mana. Not possible.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:26am
- holysheet
  
  whakamōrea
  
  1. (verb) (-tia) to endanger, put at risk, compromise, jeopardize, expose to danger.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:30am
- DigNap15
  
  This is great!
  We are all learning
  Jacinda will be rapt
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:45am
  - Inandout
    
    So will wee Niveapoto.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have 2 Maori Dictionaries:
  H.W. Williams: A dictionary of the Maori Language – 7th Ed
  
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  H.M. Ngata 1993 English-Maori Dictionary.
  
  Ngata gives tau, and mārie as words to mean compromise.
  
  Williams gives 4 separate meanings for tau being used as a noun , 4 as a verb, 1 as an adjective, 1 as a prefix, and 1 as an interjection.
  
  Williams treats mārie as an adjective meaning quiet, appeased, peaceful… and offers
  whakamārie as a transitive verb meaning to appease, propitiate, pacify.
  
  So I reckon, I’d use tau if compromise was a noun in the sentence, and whakamārie if compromise was a verb.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:25am
  - Komata
    
    Maggy
    
    Therefore, a certain Mr Henare, known to us all, is a …?
    
    I’m sure he was ‘thrilled’ when he found out and, becuase Henare is not Ngati Poroau, Sir Apirana would no doubt have been delighted, had he known.
    
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    August 12, 2018 5:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Tau Henare (Raymond Tau Henare) seems to be named in honour of his gt-granddad, Taurekareka (Tau) Henare,
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurekareka_Henare
      
      Taurekareka = slave, captive taken in war.
      
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      August 12, 2018 5:27pm
- wiseowl
  
  There is no definition because there is no such thing to them.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:53am
- tf78
  
  The word is “Compo” you misread it.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:17am
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… UPDATE … CHRISTCHURCH CENTRAL … INVESTORS / SPECULATORS EXITING …

NOW … North Island investor exiting … 16 units individually for sale … Salisbury Street, Christchurch … Harcourts agents …

Note no mention of current tenancy arrangements. Why ? …

http://harcourts.co.nz/Property/Residential?pageid=-1&search=&formsearch=true&OriginalTermText=&OriginalLocation=1419&location=1419&proptype=13&min=&max=&minbed=&maxbed=&sold=false

April 2017 total property auction … Colliers agent …

http://www.colliers.co.nz/news/2017/some%20of%20the%20first%20post-quake%20christchurch%20townhouses%20for%20sale/

Investors / speculators exiting … new owner occupiers emerging ?

… BACKGROUND READING …

‘Severely unaffordable’ Christchurch NZ ( 5.4 Median Multiple … Demographia Survey … http://www.demographia.com ) prices sink as speculators ( investors ? ) flee … due to sustained new housing production …

… Ignore inappropriate title … focus on CoreLogic suburban price and price trends graphs …

Christchurch house prices may pick up as city buyers enjoy most affordable market in more than a decade | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/105774354/christchurch-house-prices-may-pick-up-as-city-buyers-enjoy-most-affordable-market-in-more-than-a-decade
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Recent comment by Government Property Consultancy Quotable Value …

QV’s average property values have fallen in Auckland, Tauranga and Wellington over the last three months – vendors warned against unrealistic price expectations … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94608/qvs-average-property-values-have-fallen-auckland-tauranga-and-wellington-over-last

Quotable Value is warning flattening or falling house prices mean we are now in a buyer’s market and some vendors may have unrealistic expectations about what their property is worth …

… In Christchurch sales activity was slowing while property values were flat overall, according to QV Christchurch property consultant Hamish Collins.

There was growing interest for new builds in and around the city centre, but an oversupply of land and developments in fringe districts and on the outskirts of the city, he said.

These included areas such as Halswell, Wigram, Preston and the Selwyn and Waimakariri districts.

“We are seeing some developers offering new builds or recently constructed properties at discounts as a way to free up cash for their next project,” Collins said.

“This is having a flow on effect on the overall value of new builds or existing properties in these areas,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… A few further lessons from Greater Christchurch … (The GREATS are the smaller and functional Selwyn and Waimakariri Councils) …

Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town
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August 12, 2018 8:59am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Sydney one of world’s most ‘overvalued’ cities: The Economist … The New Daily
  
  https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2018/08/10/global-house-price-index-sydney/
  
  Sydney is one of the world’s most “overvalued” cities, according to a new global house-price index, but declining property prices mean that could be set to change.
  
  In its annual global house-price index London-based news magazineThe Economist compared residential property prices in the world’s most popular cities against each city’s median household income.
  
  According to The Economist, post-global-financial-crisis property price booms that occurred in many famous metropolises, including Sydney, are “unsustainable” when compared to household incomes. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  (New South Wales Premier) Gladys Berejiklian ‘extremely comfortable’ with falling Sydney house prices | afr.com
  … behind paywall …
  
  https://www.afr.com/real-estate/gladys-berejiklian-extremely-comfortable-with-falling-sydney-house-prices-20180724-h132q8
  
  NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian is “extremely comfortable” with where house prices in Sydney have gone and expects the recent slide in Sydney house prices is a welcome turn of events for those trying to break into the market. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  … Detached housing … artificial bubble generated apartment stock excluded …
  
  2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey (pdf)
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
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  August 12, 2018 5:58pm
mikenmildagain

Happy Sea Org Day everyone, especially you zany Scientologists.
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August 12, 2018 9:28am
SPC

William Wallace cries out “freedom” as he is killed (hung, drawn and quartered) in London, a Briton dying for his defence of Scottish sovereignty from English occupation tyranny.

In total denial of this cause someone, purportedly a leader amongst Scotland’s Tories, attacks the right of a mayor of London to exercise free speech, if it involves criticism of what some Moslems do – in this case what they wear, rather than a desire to take over local schools and limit the education available in them to their children.

The total failure of the Tory Party, to identify that a defence of the right of people to decide what they wear is correctly balanced by the equal right of others to have a critical opinion about this has resulted on an attack on a fellow Tory. One who merely demonstrated a classic adherence to the now traditional values of the party and the nation and exposed a clear lapse in committment in the wider party to them.

If his fellow Tories are not going to defend these values, what then is the purpose to their Brexit?

Are they going to leave the people feeling silenced until they lash out via support for a law banning the veil (as they did earlier in demanding the Brexit referendum). Suppression does not work and it has no part of a society that defends its freedoms.
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August 12, 2018 9:30am
- Jack5
  
  SPC … a technical point about the overkill of hanging, drawing and quartering.
  
  Surely after the hanging, the victim was already dead. The rest was for the entertainment of crowd and to put terror into the minds of any other would-be rebels.
  
  However, in Wallace’s case the execution was particularly brutal and drawn out. The nasty details are spelled out in the link I give below.
  
  Wallace was a brutal man himself, according to the source below. It says this of Wallace:
  
  His brutality, however, still showed at this battle. Hugh Cressingham, the treasurer to the King of England, had been slain in the battle and Wallace along with the other Scots, flayed his skin and took pieces of Hugh’s flesh as a token, displaying his hatred for the British.
  
  https://historycooperative.org/myth-man-story-william-wallace/
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The whole point of hanging, drawing and quartering was to torture the criminal to death. So they weren’t hung by the neck until dead. They were cut down while still alive, castrated, then had their bowels, ‘drawn’ out with red hot pincers. The executioner was supposed to keep the subject alive through this so that the criminal could then witness his parts being burnt in front of him before being beheaded and having his torso chopped into four quarters.
    
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    August 12, 2018 7:56pm
DigNap15

Meanwhile Hugh, a young guy in Auckland now has 11 houses.
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August 12, 2018 9:56am
- DJ Ward
  
  So he’s never worked a day in his life then?
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:02am
  - DigNap15
    
    In some ways I say good on him.
    He has worked hard renovating some shit holes
    But like most of these success stories he got a top up from his parents and a loan guarantee.
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:18am
    - Viking2
      
      so?
      Lots do that just to buy their palace.
      
      That was step one. after that he has made a lot more steps and no doubt a shit lot of effort and work. Been there done that.
      
      Nothing at all stopping others doing the same and now is coming to a good time to do so. Low long term interest rates. Demand for rentals.
      and no problem to find the kind of places that you need to buy to make this work.
      
      If I wasn’t busy with other things I would be into it again soon.
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:35am
  - SPC
    
    He made a little money imporing stuff from China and selling it on Trade Me for the first purchase (rest of the deposit from parents).
    
    He does work renovating, his return is the (untaxed) CG then leveraged to rinse and repeat.
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:34am
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, capital gains tax is rational, provided you don’t unfairly hit the tradies, farmers and other small businesses who build the reward for a lifetime of work when they sell out late in life.
      
      Some more advanced countries have experimented with ways of tinkering with capital gains tax to protect such people.
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:36am
      - SPC
        
        There is widespread avoidance, by those buying and selling houses within a few years, of the brightline test.
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@politics/2018/08/08/184105/property-investors-ignoring-bright-line-obligations
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:44am
- SPC
  
  This occurs because he leverages CG (rather than realise by profit taking) to access more money – because he is never liable for any tax on the CG.
  
  He intends to own 100 homes and under current policy settings he will. He will become very rich without having created any wealth for anyone but himself.
  
  Because of the way financial cost of ownership is deducted from rent income, he will pay little in tax off the rent income. Maybe just enough to afford the AS to those who rent his properties.
  
  A sad testimony to what is wrong with our economy and government policy settings.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:38am
  - wiseowl
    
    Maybe we should all own 100 houses.
    Who is going to earn export dollars ?
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:44am
    - Pharmachick
      
      According to Ms. Ardern, the retailers will earn the export $
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:01am
Harkman

So Simon Bridges isn’t a bad person as such but he lacks the killer political instinct, he keeps missing golden opportunities. After the plastic bag announcement he should have been chanting “Nanny state” in every sentence. He needs to push the Labour is meddling in people’s private lives line if he is to gain any traction, but he isn’t. Which is worrying.
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August 12, 2018 10:01am
- DigNap15
  
  I tend to agree, but the thing is a very high percentage of NZers have been brain washed into thinking that plastic bags are bad for the environment.
  So it would back fire on him and National
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:19am
  - waikatogirl
    
    But what do the silent majority think about getting rid of supermarket bags?
    Nobody I know thinks getting rid of them and having to buy thicker replacements for rubbish is a good idea. They are also ideal for wrapping the cold leg of lamb in for the fridge.
    Cindy and her Nanny State can piss off out of my life.
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:31am
    - SPC
      
      Are they being banned from sale in New Zealand or just no longer used as shopping bags by retailers?
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ardern is saying she will have single use bags banned.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:12am
      - SPC
        
        If you have uses for them, buy them in bulk off trade me in the year ahead or look at available alternatives.
        
        for muddy footwear for field sport
        to carry wet swimwear
        fishbait
        
        Use local newspapers for bin liners.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:26am
    - Jack5
      
      Michael Reddell has an item on plastic bags on his Croaking Cassandra blog, second item down:
      
      https://croakingcassandra.com/
      
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      August 12, 2018 3:20pm
  - artemisia
    
    There does seem to be a lot of support for the bag thing. No point in National taking a stand against it and being fired at from all directions.
    
    IMO there will be a bit of backlash as has happened in Australia. Shoppers walking out leaving the trolley load behind. Angry shoppers who find their reusable bag is not enough for the extra impulse purchases. Weekly shoppers who need 14 reusable bags and they only have 10. Dawning realisation that the supermarkets are laughing all the way to the bank.
    
    No need for pollies to talk about nanny state. Leave it to the voters.
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:56am
    - SPC
      
      As someone who uses public transport to get about including shopping, it’s virtually impossible to continue to do so under the new settings. Who carries multiple bags around with them all day, so they can go home with shopping?
      
      Easy solution though, I order online and someone delivers it to my home. More vehicles on the road … but I am creating jobs for others … . They deliver the stuff in crates – which contain the shopping in plastic bags … . Wonder what bags they will use, if any, in a years time …
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:39am
      - tf78
        
        They need individual bags to identify your shopping – unless they have to start putting it in cardboard boxes. The term “single use plastic bag” is bulls hit as any fool except Jacinda and Sage can see.
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:39pm
      - artemisia
        
        My Countdown online delivery store has moved to paper bags. Or boxes on request. Other stores following.
        
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        August 12, 2018 2:51pm
- wiseowl
  
  There must be something wrong with using ‘nanny’
  The PC brigade will be along to censure you soon Harkman.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:40am
  - Harkman
    
    Wiseowl, one my siblings has far too many kids playing sports at different locations, so yesterday I did a favour and took one to soccer and during proceedings a bag blew onto the field and one of the fathers yelled out, “Quick! Grab the bag before the police arrested us all!” I wondered if he was a Kiwiblogger ?
    
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    August 12, 2018 12:42pm
- The Heat
  
  Yes, National need to differentiate themselves and they are failing to do so.
  
  Labour rely on “feelz”. National should be the party of reason.
  
  For every position, take the reasoned stance. Feelings are short lived, reason endures. Make Labour look flakey by doing so – which isn’t going to be hard.
  
  There will always be feelz voters who are likely to be left, anyway. Swing those middle voters who can think.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:00am
- Viking2
  
  He won’t because he believes the same shit.
  
  He needed to say that the problem was not the use but our lack of proper modern disposal systems such as Sweden uses and here is what we are going to do about it.
  
  There are people who act to stop a loss and then people who act to make a gain.
  Simon is of the former.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:39am
Im Right

Has anyone heard further from the outcome of the enquiry into the Labour Summer camp sex assaults? Who was to blame, was he convicted, what was his name?
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August 12, 2018 10:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  MSM is too busy photoshopping plastic bags into fairy stories to report real news. ?
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The gentleman has pleaded not guilty to 6 charges of indecent assault on 4 complainants.
  He has been granted name suppression.
  The Labour Party internal report on the Summer Camp is due mid- August (but I doubt that it will be made public)
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105222563/labour-party-summer-camp-accused-appears
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    For all the interest on this blog in the Labour Party summer camp scandal, Maggy, one would have thought that morons like Im Right and waikatogirl would have been keeping abreast (warning: misogynist term) of such basic developments in the saga.
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @MMA
      I want arguments attacked, not people. As an example it will be unacceptable to call someone a moron, but it will be acceptable to say their argument is moronic
      
      Gee, can’t you read our Host’s instructions?
      
      Do you not think it was timely for Im Right to alert us all to the forthcoming Labour Summer Camp internal report?
      
      Do you not recognise Waikatogirl’s genius in reminding us all that there is a bigger picture involved here… and the MSM are complicit in obscuring facts?
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks for reminding me about the comments policy, Maggy. Don’t forget to draw it to the attention of everyone else who violates it on a daily basis. Otherwise, people might start thinking you are a hypocrite like Keeping Stock, swifty, and the other virtue signalling snowflakes.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:35am
      - Swifty
        
        Milky is getting upset!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL9JgMt4okM
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m quite happy for people to think that I am a hypocrite, MMA.
        
        However, I reckon most thinking folks will be thinking various other thoughts, but if they manage to exercise a few neurons thinking about me, so be it.
        
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        August 12, 2018 11:51am
      - waikatogirl
        
        It’s ok Maggy, it’s just Mike’s way of saying he loves me! ?
        
        Gorgeous day over here in the Waikato Maggy, hope the sun in Gisborne is shining on you too. Good incentive to get out in the garden.
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        The rusk’s dropped from Milky’s high chair. Will someone pick it up for him, please.
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Waikatogirl
        
        Na, its nasty cold over here..
        but my flowering plums, Rhodos, and Freesias are looking great.
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW,
        
        “..most thinking folks..”??
        
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        August 12, 2018 12:26pm
      - VicParking
        
        As Steven Wright once said “Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.”
        Take note Milky and Stephie ?‍?
        
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        August 12, 2018 1:10pm
    - starboard
      
      Go ” relieve” yourself mm, and close the blinds this time.
      
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      August 12, 2018 12:09pm
- Inandout
  
  It has been suggested many times that he is the son of a top Labour person. His name will eventually leak out.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:49am
  - Longknives
    
    One thing Labour do so much better than any other Political outfit is make their ‘problems’ or ‘little embarrassments’ disappear almost without a trace..
    
    The Labour Party sex camp has been buried. We will never hear any further on this…
    
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    August 12, 2018 3:21pm
    - Inandout
      
      I think Whale may be working closely on a name.
      
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      August 12, 2018 3:38pm
    - RF
      
      In Chicago the mafia used to give their “problems” concrete slippers and drop them in the river.
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:17pm
- backster
  
  Maybe he appeared before Judge McNaughton.( see Chuck’s earlier post)
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:54am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Can anyone get a list of all the attendees? Then we will publish all their names and state One of these is the perv. If you are not, delete your name off the list…..
  
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  August 12, 2018 4:42pm
All_on_Red

So Ben Shapiro has challenged New Democrat star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to a debate.
He said he’d donate $10,000 to her Campaign if she did a one hour debate.
Apparently she replied that if he doubled it to $15,000 then she would do it
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August 12, 2018 10:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  hahahahahahahaha
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:07am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Excellent AoR 😆
    
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    August 12, 2018 5:04pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Babe’s as sharp as Golly Gee. We need more thick hot girls running the planet. If only she would wear a pink g-string. And doing justice, and more shit. And being hot. Hot … mmm. Is there a way to make hot leftie chicks shut up though?
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:08am
  - Inandout
    
    She would make our princess look like a mastermind champ, so thick is she.
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:22am
  - Fletch
    
    She’s not hot, though. She’s a wild-eyed, crazy looking socialist –
    
    https://cdn10.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/06/ocasiocortez.jpg
    
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    August 12, 2018 12:01pm
    - KevOB
      
      That picture is sufficient to put an oyster of its dinner.
      
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      August 12, 2018 2:32pm
    - Longknives
      
      Jesus what is it with Leftie Women and enormous Horse teeth?
      Those Gnashers are terrifying…
      
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      August 12, 2018 3:19pm
    - Viking2
      
      Same size mouth.
      
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      August 12, 2018 5:45pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    ” Is there a way to make hot leftie chicks shut up though?”
    
    Show them something shiny! ?
    
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    August 12, 2018 12:04pm
- tf78
  
  The stupid woman couldn’t think for 10 minutes. Mind you the likes of her do tend to waffle on.
  
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  August 12, 2018 12:44pm
Rich Prick

Havn’t seen a tent pulled up in Casablanca yet. But loads of them are in full kit. I’m beginning to think these outfits are the way. Like Roses chocolates, you’d have no idea what you’re getting until you lift the wrapper off. Stephie would be a one man pogo stick.
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August 12, 2018 11:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

One of my favourite writers has died
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/11/vs-naipaul-nobel-prize-winning-british-author-dies-aged-85

For anyone interested in the rise and influence of modern Islam on ordinary lives ..His 2 books on the topic are terrific reads:

Among the Believers: An Islamic Journey (1979).

Beyond Belief: Islamic Excursions among the Converted Peoples (1998).
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August 12, 2018 11:27am
- Pateke
  
  Sad. A big influence on me in the seventies.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:31am
- Pharmachick
  
  I read The Middle Passage in the early-mid 90s. Beautifully and incisively written, shrank from nothing in his observations.
  
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  August 12, 2018 2:02pm
Viking2

We are doing it wrong guys.

This fella apparently has it right.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1831604196893879&set=a.175362519184730.51473.100001329493980&type=3&theater
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August 12, 2018 11:54am
wiseowl

Don’t forget the ‘Outsiders’ on now ch85
The interview with Douglas Murray this morning was very good.
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August 12, 2018 12:01pm
Jack5

Evidence of the warping of New Zealand’s educational system ….

We have serious shortages of truck drivers and tradies, but our bloated tertiary education sector is offering 29 courses on or related to the media.

That information is from an overseas, presumably Indian web site. It actually says 29 NZ institutions are offering such courses, but surely we don’t have that many tertiary institutions?

https://www.hotcoursesabroad.com/study/training-degrees/newzealand/media-courses/loc/134/cgory/l8-3/sin/ct/programs.html
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August 12, 2018 12:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There was a rather depressing clip on TV news about the decline in tradesmen coming into the teaching profession to teach Technology – Hard materials (used to be Wood work- Metal work).
  
  I’d get all your tradie jobs done around your house/section now why we still have a few tradespeople left in the country.
  
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  August 12, 2018 12:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, according to this 2016 report the tradie apprenticeships growing at an exponential rate,
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82586562/construction-apprentices-rise-to-the-occasion
    
    I see no reason why that has changed to date. Advise otherwise?
    
    I think it is a simple case of demand outstripping supply.
    
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    August 12, 2018 12:32pm
    - Jack5
      
      Our immigration border is so weak, I wouldn’t be surprised, Stephie X, if you got through by writing “camel farrier” on the visa-application box for occupation.
      
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      August 12, 2018 12:37pm
    - Paulus
      
      I thought it took something like four years to succeed at, and as a qualified apprenticeship.
      On the job and in the class.
      
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      August 12, 2018 2:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    Sorry Maggie, clumsy fingers, I downticked you by mistake
    
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    August 12, 2018 12:35pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    My Stepdad retired at end of 2017… grew up on a farm in the Waikato milking cows, mechanic-by-trade for years, then Hard Materials teacher 1987 Jan – 2017 December (at the same school).
    
    In the end he retired 3 years early because he couldn’t handle the “social work” aspect anymore (Decile 1 school) and also, as one of the few men in education, and a big guy at that (6′ 2″ and 110 kg+); as soon as one of the kids threw a tantrum they tried to get him to come and sort the kid out … and I quote “I’m just not up for an assault charge anymore just for restraining some little shit that’s thrown a chair at a teacher”.
    
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    August 12, 2018 2:06pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      I beg your pardon “down-ticker” But I truly do not understand what I said that caused it. If you care to explain, I’d be keen to hear.
      
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      August 12, 2018 7:12pm
    - itstricky
      
      “I’m just not up for an assault charge anymore just for restraining some little shit that’s thrown a chair at a teacher”.
      
      Now – everyone – remember that unions are out of touch, out of date, provide absolutely no value and are completely redundant.
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:47pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Sorry, I still don’t get it istricky.
        
        The Unions can’t stop Police from pressing charges under NZ law, and under NZ law physically restraining (touching) an out of control 5′ 10″ 13 year old Samoan kid full on throwing furniture, is assault – regardless of whether that is a sensible and/or needed solution at the time. Also, before you go down he self-defense route, why should any teacher or other person in loco parentis, potentially have to engage a lawyer with the associated costs and stresses to fight a case using self-defense or defense of others laws, when it is simply a case of NZ kids being off the rails? (IMHO its all “rights” and everyone’s forgotten about the “responsibilities” bit).
        
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        August 13, 2018 2:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  I would have though that there are less and less jobs for journalists.
  So why do Indians need to come here and learn how to broadcast in NZ.
  Surely they would be better off learning Indian style journalism
  
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  August 12, 2018 5:35pm
SPC

Jordan Peterson the Canadian who apparently gives common sense advice to young men is coming here.

This is a bit odd though, it’s probably the most nanny state thing I have ever heard (this century) – he calls for enforced monogomy to help men unsuccessful in finding partners.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2018/08/the-science-of-incels-all-the-reasons-why-some-men-can-t-find-a-partner.html
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August 12, 2018 12:30pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Forced Monogamy is a feature of society to maintain law and order. Polygamy societies generally result in large numbers of males being rejected from society. Easy to do if you have a neighbor to go to war agianst. What is the solution for the 50% of males that get rejected within our current system. In our case that’s within a man drought as well.
  
  Anyway MGTOW boys. Give women 1/2 a chance and they will destroy your life. Don’t do it. Prostitutes are cheaper.
  
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  August 12, 2018 2:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  More leftie lies. He did not ‘call for forced Monogamy’. He did say that culturally, monogamy was (provably) better for men, on average, as there was less tendency for women to chase after a small elite of men.
  
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  August 12, 2018 4:16pm
  - itstricky
    
    He also said that monogamy (enforced or not) would stop extremist males from killing. Sounds awfully like 72 virgins to me.
    
    One nutty idea doesn’t make the nutbar. Many do.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:45pm
Johnboy

This is dreadful news!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/106204466/mount-everest-is-a-fecal-time-bomb-heres-one-mans-idea-for-handling-14-tonnes-of-human-waste
I hope our esteemed host carried all of his back to an approved waste disposal facility using a non single use plastic bag or other suitable approved container after his visit to Everest base camp! 🙂
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August 12, 2018 1:00pm
- VicParking
  
  Only 14 Tonnes, they should go down to Whanganui’s Castlecliff reserve and see what the freedom campers leave. Thanks Hamish…
  
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  August 12, 2018 1:15pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Now VP in all my many years of hunting our wonderful hills we all shat into a shallow scrape in the ground and buried it so it became part of the humus. Never been a problem so what I have trouble understanding is why these campers are such a bunch of filthy bastards. Are they not educated enough in Europe or Aus or wherever?
    Now frozen shit from the Himalayas I can understand is a prob. 🙂
    
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    August 12, 2018 1:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Crikey, what’s the problem?
    
    We used to have over 100 sewers emptying into the lower W(h)anganui, and all the effluent from Imlay Freezing Works, Castlecliff Abbatoirs, Soapy Gilberds and runoff from the Balgownie dump.
    
    I’m sure swimming in the polluted waters of the W(h)anganui and Castlecliff Beach strengthened our immunity systems no end.
    
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    August 12, 2018 2:01pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Quite so Maggy. The Waangaanewii River used to run brown most of the time and it wasn’t all mud! 🙂
      
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      August 12, 2018 2:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s still Brown….
        The only times I’ve seen it otherwise is when it is being depicted as “The Rhine of the South”
        http://thenewzealandjournal.blogspot.com/2010/02/whanganui-river-rhine-of-maoriland.html
        
        at least Gizzy’s ~~creeks~~ rivers turn green every now and again.
        
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        August 12, 2018 2:32pm
      - stigie
        
        “The Waangaanewii River”
        
        Im so offended you didn’t use an “h” Johnboy..?
        
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        August 12, 2018 3:24pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Well stigie I didn’t want to say “shit” instead of “mud” in case I offended anyone otherwise I would have managed an “h” in there! 🙂
        
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        August 12, 2018 3:40pm
      - VicParking
        
        They have been pumping it out to sea and the tide was bringing it straight back. Now we have a $32m “waste water” plant that will solve it all. Except it stinks, Teething problems we are told. Will go away in summer when the stink from Imlay will hide the smell.
        
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        August 12, 2018 8:37pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I have an idea. It is so simple that the academics will scream out loud. Burn the shit! Hey, in a furnace and create some heat so you don’t freeze – also some turbines for electricity – light the whole place up. The tourists will come ………
  
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  August 12, 2018 6:20pm
  - VicParking
    
    Now Now the Germans tried that and where did that get them.
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:38pm
Johnboy

I mean out in the scrub you crapped in the right place and buried it. Never in close proximity to a creek or stream. The old joke about the hut long drops was that they attracted the flies while you had a crap elsewhere! We just need to train these disgusting tourists how to respect the ecosystem.
Just remember most of them come from the shithole overcrowded city ghettos of Europe and Asia and know no better that shitting in their own nest! 🙂
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August 12, 2018 2:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s not just out in the bush that these tourists need some modern toilet etiquette…
  They should stop crapping on our streets.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/03/french-freedom-camper-poos-on-dunedin-street.html
  
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  August 12, 2018 3:35pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Europeans are obviously the scum of the earth Maggy! We shouldn’t allow the filthy bastards to come here. Ask any Murri if you think I’m wrong. 🙂
    
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    August 12, 2018 3:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jeez, the number of times I’ve had to tell the hubby to take his bloody shoes off before we go into somebody’s house here in Kaiti.
      
      ….but I have to remember.. he grew up in that cultural wasteland of P.N.
      
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      August 12, 2018 4:09pm
      - Johnboy
        
        As long as he never sit’s on the table he should shape up eventually Maggy! 🙂
        
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        August 12, 2018 6:01pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        I thought they just wanted to wipe their toe jam on the freshly cleaned carpet.
        
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        August 12, 2018 6:23pm
  - DigNap15
    
    And get rid of freedom camping!
    How does that help or tourist operators.
    They are just cheepskates who don’t spend any money other than on petrol and cheap food.
    
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    August 12, 2018 5:31pm
rightoverlabour

Once again stuff is talking shit. This time about Kauri dieback. They flog the line
” and is spread through soil movement, largely by human visitors to the bush who do not clean their boots properly.”

Yes it’s in the soil, yes it’s through soil movment, but no its not largely human visitors. Pigs, goats, stoats, rats, running water, probably, humans, not so much. Most humans stay on the paths which avoid Kauri or use raised board walks. Blaming humans, and banning walking in those areas is a smokes screen. And there are a few in DOC that will say as much, unofficillay and off the record, and in sotto voce. But there are other agendas here, and no one really wants to talk about it.
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August 12, 2018 4:36pm
- tf78
  
  Is the “other agenda” growing dope. There have been dead kauri in the Waitakere’s for the last 80 years or more. Everything has to die at some point.
  
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  August 12, 2018 5:27pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nah its more about getting money to fix the paths. Ooh, look kauri are dying, let’s blame humans, let’s solve this by upgrading the the tracks, all the greenies jump in, save the kauri, donate here, ( let fix the paths in the mean time with all the money we wouldn’t get otherwise…). The virus is probably the only control mechanism nature has to prevent the kauri from destroying all the other trees.
    
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    August 12, 2018 6:42pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rightoveerlabour. tell us about your treatment options for Kauri dieback?
      
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      August 12, 2018 6:52pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        There are none, unless some kind of treatment is found. Some Kauri are resistant and will survive. So in a few thousand years there will be large disease resistant kauri. Of course that does not fit the narrative. Reducing mammalian pests helps, but I can’t see anyone sorting runoff from rain. Maybe Jacinda will ban that. I have seen the devastation in the forests north of Dargaville. Its not pretty, but nature will overcome despite human interference. The fact that a few “sacred” trees might die is tough.
        
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        August 12, 2018 7:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There is no cure for Phytophthora infestations in forest ecosystems.
        
        Some use of phosphite might control/contain the spread of deadly Phytophthora strains.
        
        Ozzie has been trying to deal with Phytophthora in its forests for decades.
        
        One thing that could slow the spread of Phytophthora through our Northern forests is the eradication of wild pigs…. but I expect pigs will fly before that becomes Government policy.
        
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        August 12, 2018 8:02pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @Maggy
        
        Thank you for helping out here. What’s your view on the role of humans in this? Some of the stuff I have read on this suggests humans are responsible in cultivated areas. If humans stick to designated paths in forests, I can’t see how they become the main culprit. Pigs, definitely.
        
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        August 12, 2018 8:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @rightoverlabour
        
        What’s your view on the role of humans in this?
        We first noticed kauri dieback in 1973 – on Gt Barrier Island… and on the mainland sometime later.
        
        We have at least 5 different Phytophthora in our Northern forest soils.. as well as the organism now causing kauri dieback which has been called Phytophthora agathadicidae.
        1. We don’t know the distribution of P. agathadicidae
        2. We don’t know where it came from…. was it always here in NZ?….
        3. We know that the organism spreads via water and soil… so I can see the point of asking folks to stay on tracks and wipe their boots/shoes through a sanitising treatment…
        but what about bike trails/ roading run-off/ poorly located culverts/ stock trespass/ folks living in infected areas (Waitakeres…)
        
        Looks like we are pissing in the wind over management of our Kauri Forests…
        
        but hey, let’s spend millions and bring back a couple of Kiwi into Wellington City.
        
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        August 12, 2018 8:51pm
      - starboard
        
        Chainsaw shariaboy
        
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        August 12, 2018 9:55pm
    - wiseowl
      
      It’s not a virus it’s phytophthora.
      
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      August 12, 2018 6:59pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I defer to your knowledge, I am not an expert on these things, but I had a very long, very interesting chat to a doc worker who shall remain anonymous. He was quite critical of the whole approach.
        
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        August 12, 2018 7:50pm
- VicParking
  
  Lets blame the late Grate Stephies Goats.
  
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  August 12, 2018 8:40pm
EAD_TWO

Ben Shapiro tweets:

It’s not coincidental that people who spend all day talking about the supposed innate superiority of the white race are invariably brick stupid.

https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1027919590456578049

I guess we’re all just “goy heads” as the Yiddish insult once put it. Even those of us with PhDs. I mean, people like Enoch Powell were almost vegetable like in intelligence…
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August 12, 2018 5:33pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  But seriously Ben, what does that make the likes of those from the Israeli government who claim they are superior humans?
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/jews-are-smartest-race-world-and-superior-humans-israeli-lawmaker-claims-977896
  
  Or the chief Jewish Rabbi who think Goys are human cattle only fit to serve Jews?
  
  https://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews
  
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  August 12, 2018 5:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , even Richard Dawkins can’t explain the disproportionate number of Jews winning Nobel Laureates especially in the physical sciences
  
  Can you?
  
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  August 12, 2018 6:27pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Nepotism?
    
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    August 12, 2018 8:15pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ah, EAdolf. Any luck with getting on and telling us what you and your fellow ‘modern’ national socialists recommend we do about those Jews?
      
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      August 12, 2018 8:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO , no! Be perplexed like Richard Dawkins,
      
      https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/10/29/richard-dawkins-perplexed-by-high-number-of-jewish-nobel-prize-winners/
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

‘We don’t have a single friend’: Canada’s Saudi spat reveals country is alone
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/11/canada-saudi-arabia-support-us

You’d think Jacinda would send a cheerful tweet to Justin, wouldn’t you?
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August 12, 2018 6:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, I think Jacinda ( and Justin for that matter ) have more pressing matters at hand.
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:43pm
starboard

Please, everybody read this and forward to as many people as you can.
About time we had some balance to the bullshit.

http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2018/08/12/remembrance/
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August 12, 2018 9:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Starbaord , a pile of crap For exmple this,
  
  “The Moriori are another controversial part of our history as a nation. People these days say that they were merely a tribe of Maori, as if that somehow makes their genocide by actual Maori somehow acceptable. The Moriori lived by a code of pacifism and non-violence and the Maori did not. When Maori from the Taranaki hijacked a European ship in 1835 and headed their way, the Moriori stood no chance. The Taranaki Maori killed the men, women and children, hunted them down like animals, they cannibalised and enslaved the Moriori, and ritually decimated (killed one tenth of) the population. Moriori were forbidden from marrying each other, the Moriori language was banned, Moriori sacred sites were desecrated.”
  
  Debunked here ,
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018657356/debunking-the-myth-about-the-moriori
  
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  August 12, 2018 9:16pm
  - starboard
    
    shariaboy is soooo gobsmacked by the truth, you can tell by his flustering and spelling mistakes at the beginning of his verbal diarrhea.
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:22pm
  - starboard
    
    radio nz..LOL LOL !!!!!!!
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard , then try this to overcome your silly ignorance ,
      
      Moriori: A People Rediscovered
      by Michael King
      
      https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5039859-moriori
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:37pm
  - starboard
    
    you grubby little goat herder shariaboy…
    
    The tides a turning shariaboy, there’s gona be a tsunami of truth comin at you and your ilk soooon..muwhahahahaha!
    Start swimming shariaboy…
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard lost the plot yet again. Creep and slink back to South Auckland, there’s a good chap!
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, Dr Keri Mills has not debunked the Moriori story..of Percy Smith & co.
    
    It had been well and truly laid to rest long before she made comment…(read Michael King 2000: Moriori: A People rediscovered)
    But she’s been a bit shy about revealing all the details about the massacre and enslavement of Moriori by Taranaki Maori
    
    In 1835 , Māori from the Taranaki , but living in Wellington, invaded the Chathams. The invaders killed a 12-year-old girl and hung her flesh on posts. They proceeded to enslave some Moriori and kill and cannibalise others. “Parties of warriors armed with muskets, clubs and tomahawks, led by their chiefs, walked through Moriori tribal territories and settlements without warning, permission or greeting. If the districts were wanted by the invaders, they curtly informed the inhabitants that their land had been taken and the Moriori living there were now vassals.”
    
    A Moriori survivor recalled : “[The Maori] commenced to kill us like sheep…. [We] were terrified, fled to the bush, concealed ourselves in holes underground, and in any place to escape our enemies. It was of no avail; we were discovered and killed – men, women and children indiscriminately.” A Māori conqueror explained, “We took possession… in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped…..” The invaders ritually killed some 10% of the population, a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days. The Māori invaders forbade the speaking of the Moriori language. They forced Moriori to desecrate their sacred sites by urinating and defecating on them.
    
    After the invasion, Moriori were forbidden to marry Moriori, or to have children with each other. All became slaves of the Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga invaders. Many Moriori women had children by their Māori masters. A small number of Moriori women eventually married either Māori or European men. Some were taken from the Chathams and never returned. In 1842 a small party of Māori and their Moriori slaves migrated to the subantarctic Auckland Islands, surviving for some 20 years on sealing and flax growing.[21] Only 101 Moriori out of a population of about 2,000 were left alive by 1862.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori
    
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    August 12, 2018 9:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, from your link this also is a vital important point ,
      
      “During the early 20th century it was commonly, but erroneously, believed that the Moriori were pre-Māori settlers of New Zealand, linguistically and genetically different from the Māori, and possibly Melanesian. This story, incorporated into Percy Smith’s “Great Fleet” hypothesis, was widely believed during the early 20th century. However, the hypothesis was not always accepted.
      
      By the late 20th century, the hypothesis that the Moriori were different from the Māori had fallen out of favour amongst archeologists, who believed that the Moriori were Māori who settled on the Chatham Islands in the 16th century. The earlier hypothesis was discredited in the 1960s and 1970s.[
      
      The Moriori are culturally Polynesian. They developed a distinct Moriori culture in the Chatham Islands as they adapted to local conditions. Although speculation once suggested that they settled the Chatham Islands directly from the tropical Polynesian islands, or even that they were Melanesian in origin, current research indicates that ancestral Moriori were Māori Polynesians who emigrated to the Chatham Islands from mainland New Zealand around 1500 AD.[
      
      The Taranaki renegade invasion was not pretty but not all Maoris bejhaved like this .
      Receent European history has is replete with even greatern creulties as you must know
      
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      August 12, 2018 9:49pm
      - starboard
        
        Spell check not working shariaboy LOL !
        
        “The Taranaki renegade invasion was not pretty but not all Maoris bejhaved like this .
        Receent European history has is replete with even greatern creulties as you must know”
        
        Bawhahahahaha!!!! LOL !!!
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Jeez, stephieboy
        
        None of this is news to me.
        For Goodness sake, You MUST be aware that I was one of the writers for Te Ara -The online encyclopedia of NZ.
        
        We put out readable versions of all of this material 13 years ago.
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/moriori
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/anthropology-and-archaeology/page-2
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        starboard,
        
        “Recent European history is replete with even greater cruelties as you must know.”
        
        Fixed! Happy now!
        
        Can you give examples of what those cruelties might be?
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, a contributor? NZ prehistory Maori and Morori ?
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/moriori
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Just a reader for the Iwi and Origins material in the Encyclopedia… but I could hardly operate as a Plant ecologist without having a knowledge of the prehistory of the landscapes I was working in.
        
        This stuff about Melanesian Moriori had been debunked before I was born.
        
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        August 12, 2018 10:29pm
Fletch

Hmm, according to a youtube video, Maori have held a ceremony to apologize for New Zealand’s stance against Israel at the U.N. They are trying to tie it to “mana whenua” though, or native possession of the land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eobe2a2kcE
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August 12, 2018 9:42pm
Jack5

Simon Bridges on TVNZ’s Q&A: his speech is improving, but hell, what he wants as a coalition partner for National!

A party that is focused on taxes etc, but not a “Right Right” party (that must mean to the Right of National on social issues). So Bridges’s National wants ACT, which is as dead as a bloody Dodo.

And Bridges talked up multiculturism. “We are a multicultural country.” Oh dear … eat that whities.
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August 12, 2018 9:55pm
- starboard
  
  Not the man for the job Im afraid. How many times does National lite need to be told?
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:01pm
- Jack5
  
  And we had the RBNZ chief, Adrian Orr, saying economic growth is still strong.
  
  He more or less dismissed over-all signals of the most recent business confidence survey.
  
  He seemed confident about housing prices on the ground that householders would be able to meet mortgage bills.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:06pm
- itstricky
  
  eat that whities
  
  I hate to inform you, but NZ has never ever been staffed just by “whities”.
  
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  August 12, 2018 10:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    Hadn’t watched Q&A for ages until last week and tonight. Won’t be watching again.
    
    The US border item from TVNZ’s resident feminist social justice warrior in America was irrelevant to a show supposedly about NZ politics, and was predictable.
    
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    August 12, 2018 10:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    ?Re Itstricky’s NZ has never ever been staffed just by “whities”
    
    You mean the migration fleets didn’t have white navigation officers and Polynesian deck hands? Thanks for that. Some jokester must have fooled me that “Aotearoa” originally meant “land of the long white crowd.” Tall Poms.⚓
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:11pm
Nostradamus

Since Te Ara has come up again, this exchange was a Maggy v Stephieboy special:

Stephieboy: MW, and the palefaces cleared felled the Waikato plains of Kaiheketia for butter boxes and cheese cheese crates to send to the UK,
https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/12655/butter-boxes

Maggy: Yes stephieboy, I know.
I wrote the caption (and article) for Te Ara to which your reference picture is attached.
I did manage to spell kahikatea correctly, too

How odd that Stephieboy has forgotten that smackdown from only a month ago!
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August 12, 2018 10:29pm
- Jack5
  
  The Stephie syndicate members don’t seem to memorise the smackdowns of fellow members.
  
  One seems to have an obsession about Maggy W. I’ve suggested she get a German Shepherd guard dog, but she might also ensure her husband has a current firearms licence and decent gun.
  
  As he and the dog don’t make mince meat of a Muslim door-to-door sales person.
  
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  August 12, 2018 11:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Edit: As long as he and the dog ….
    
    Хорошая охота!
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:14pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Jack5:
    
    We’re reliably informed that Stephieboy’s more likely to make a beeline for Maggy’s clothesline than her front door!
    
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    August 12, 2018 11:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      That Stephie is one sick puppy.
      
      Are the Stephies fit to own all those goats? Can we get the SPCA to check them?
      
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      August 12, 2018 11:40pm
starboard

shariaboy@goatmolesterer.co.nz

LOL !!
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