General Debate 11 August 2018

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holysheet

I’ve just seen a Muslim man break his hand punching what he thought was his wife.
Someone had put a burka over a letterbox.
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August 11, 2018 8:01am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m in Tangier at the moment, it’s not a joke, it’s how they live. Our Great Dame would not be amused. Or, she probably wouldn’t care less because it’s culturally delightful when it happens “elsewhere”. Travel advisory: Morocco is a shithole, and even more so if you are female.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:10am
  - Justitia
    
    Thanks for the travel advisory, I’ve scratched it from my bucket list. I also heard unpleasant things about Morocco from friends who visited earlier this year.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:15am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Lets just say they are very haphazard with food hygiene. Days old sun-kissed chicken carcasses are, well, just yellow. Fluecscent with campylobacter. It affects the locals too, a full burqua hoicked her tent up and had an anal squirt into the gutter right in front of me.
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:21am
      - Justitia
        
        Delightful.
        
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        August 11, 2018 8:36am
      - Simon
        
        Never eat chicken in any third world country.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:21am
      - MrTips
        
        I think that’s enough KB for today………ick
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:50am
      - JibberJabber
        
        In Australia, they do it in jogging apparel.
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:10am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Fuck me, another on has lifted her tent to shit on the street. Never visit Islamic countries.
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:15am
      - starboard
        
        Remember, when in Rome….
        
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        August 11, 2018 3:34pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Why don’t you just take a shit on the sidewalk to show you’re just as good as them ? 😉
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:24pm
  - backster
    
    Do they get ten days leave paid by their employer if their spouse biffs them one?.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:45am
  - Lance
    
    The women in Israel are armed, wear their hair loose and take no shit from anyone.
    And you don’t get the shits from the food
    
    Beautiful young women with Uzi’s… damn that’s hot
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:25am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4068388/The-Israeli-soldiers-hot-weaponry-Meet-young-women-chosen-career-military-not-afraid-reveal-assets.html
      
      Nuff said ( or should that be Muff said)?
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:14pm
      - starboard
        
        I can spot them on the beaches here in Phuket.. They are absolutely stunning. Then you see a fat M bitch wearing a rubbish bag..would put a Chinaman off his rice. ?
        
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        August 11, 2018 3:39pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Off to ‘diversity training’ with you, holysheet! Seems that’s the likely punishment to be meted out to Boris Johnson! What a load of tosh and what an indictment of the current state of affairs in the British Conservative Party and the UK in general.
  
  NZ take heed. Take serious heed!
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:16am
- Longknives
  
  As mentioned yesterday- Hate Speech laws ARE coming under this Government.
  So enjoy this lighthearted, but accurate, banter while you still can..
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:20am
  - RF
    
    Yep … no more tooth fairy and commie chick.
    
    It will be your highness or exulted one.
    
    Those that transgress will be sent to the salt mines near Blenheim.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:20am
    - Longknives
      
      I honestly think that once the Hate Speech laws come in- It will be the end of Blogs like this one..
      
      *Over at The Standard they will continue to shriek racial taunts and threats at White Men without consequence..
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:56am
      - igm
        
        Do you not think that tolerance levels of many have now reached breaking point?
        One can take so much, then there will be consequences. Kiwis, per se, only take so much b/s, then retaliate.
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:58pm
      - RF
        
        igm.
        
        If recent conversations with good honest hard working Kiwis are an indication I believe the worm has turned.
        
        There is a fair amount of unrest out there and the gloss is coming off our communist PM also known as the Bag Lady.
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:16pm
  - Liberty
    
    With the introduction of hate speech. Commenters on blogs are also expected to
    be added the the list of naughtiness along with being in possession of a plastic bag.
    For the public good. The search for a Salt mine has become urgent.
    The greens are against but will once again show they are totally lacking in any
    conviction. And once again will suck up to Winston. And make salt mines
    exempt from Col’s no mining.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:39am
    - Piniwi
      
      But Liberty it would be fair to expect any such law would be the open tapestry weave we see coming from the COL (loons) looms. The ventilation holes woven in will provide space in thew holes for blogs like this to continue with real free speech. The application of a simple algorithm will replace nasty words with a substitute from the approved list in a distinct colour and stating with a dot (.). A click on it would open a drop down list for reference until people learned them. Instead of being forced to learn gibberish again satisfying loose law for another language. Certificates can be PDFed for printing to confirm have reached a pass mark in the new rage language ” Blog”.
      Seriously though we see thew Media party again running interference as the rush to give the Auckland protesters with the megaphone an extended platform. As we sit back and laugh after Don Brash thanked them for their affirmative votes for the debate subject matter.
      It is now apparent that every degree presented needs to have another also added to confirm that while the student had achieved a pass level for the degree they studied for they also passed the indoctrination imparted along the way. They can now claim to have gained a BA in Basket Weaving along with the title of PC. Representing Poor C..t.
      
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      August 11, 2018 4:17pm
- Huevon
  
  My mate’s wife got sexually assaulted in Morocco. Cops didn’t give a shit. So, yeah.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

The latest fluff piece in The Guardian on our PM, partner and baby.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/10/jacinda-ardern-having-a-baby-around-changes-the-tone-a-little-bit
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August 11, 2018 8:02am
- Inandout
  
  The socialist tentacles are now worldwide. Our commie chick is their poster girl.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:10am
  - VicParking
    
    Note the couch faces away from the TV?? Lets hide reality
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:34am
    - sooty
      
      Commie chick does love the guardian. What the far left herald not left enough.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:36am
- holysheet
  
  I wonder what Jethro is going to be doing?
  
  One night Jethro walks into the local bar looking sad. The bartender asks Jethro what he wants. Jethro says “Oh just a beer”. The bartender asked him “Whats wrong, why are you so down today?”.Jethro said Cindy and I got into a fight, and she said she wouldn’t talk to me for a month”. The bartender said “So whats wrong with that”? Jethro said “Well the month is up tonight”.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:13am
- JibberJabber
  
  The yanks have their own Jacinda ~~clown~~clone, watch and weep…
  https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CuL2o_1533927694
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:28am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    That is bloody hilarious! Love it
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:07am
  - softail 1450
    
    Jibberjabber,,,,,excellent ,,,,,,
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:44am
  - niggly
    
    “Absolutely” ….. argghhhh another virtue signalling airhead that uses such phrases!
    
    However the big question is, can she do the “concerned face” look?
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:54am
    - sooty
      
      What about the resting bitchy face?
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:37am
      - starboard
        
        Or the Richardson finger point..
        
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        August 11, 2018 3:50pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ocasio Cortez is hilarious.
    The gift that keeps on giving…
    
    *She is still way,way smarter than Jacinda ‘Capitalism has Failed Comrade’ Ardern though…
    
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    August 11, 2018 10:54am
- tf78
  
  Thanks Maggy, you have just ruined what looked to be a beautiful day. Jacinda is intolerable!
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:28am
  - igm
    
    First time I have ever heard of a Friday night drinking group that bans for a fortnight, anyone who mentions this CoL in favourable terms, especially Mr Ed.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:55am
  - Chris R
    
    As it is Saturday: In the mid-to-late 1960s there was a popular singer song writer named Chris Andrews. He largely wrote for others eg Sandie Shaw but had a hit or two himself. One of his hits was “Pretty Belinda” which can still be found on Youtube. (Where you can pick up the tune.) I was thinking that “Pretty Belinda” runs well with “Stupid Jacinda” or “Commie Jacinda” or “Taxing Jacinda.” Let’s have some lyrics. I have tried and didn’t really get past the title.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:22am
- calendar girl
  
  No mention of a “Royal Wedding”, Maggy, when the fawning coverage begins to die down?
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:07am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Maggy, please do not spoil my day by tempting me to click on articles that may have pictures or videos of that Silly Little Girl. So far I have almost managed to avoid looking at a single picture of her since the Royal Birth….
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:15am
  - BeaB
    
    I click on every one I can find. We want lots and lots of stories about her, the baby, the boyfriend, the dead cat. Keep clicking so the media keep writing them until everyone has had a gutsful.
    
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    August 11, 2018 10:48am
    - Paulus
      
      Now known as the plastic bag lady.!
      Hate speech ?
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:27am
      - Viking2
        
        Ha, goes well with,
        ” Winston. the brown paper bag man.”
        
        😆
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:58pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I swallowed a dead rat and read the article after reading your comment BeaB. Took one for the team!! ?
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:37pm
stephieboy

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Shortly on a screen near you,

BLACK K KLANSMAN

https://youtu.be/pFc6I0rgmgY

“From visionary filmmaker, Spike Lee comes the incredible true story of an American hero. It’s the early 1970s, and Ron Stallworth (John David Washington) is the first African-American detective to serve in the Colorado Springs Police Department. Determined to make a name for himself, Stallworth bravely sets out on a dangerous mission: infiltrate and expose the Ku Klux Klan. The young detective soon recruits a more seasoned colleague, Flip Zimmerman (Adam Driver), into the undercover investigation of a lifetime. Together, they team up to take down the extremist hate group as the organization aims to sanitize its violent rhetoric to appeal to the mainstream…”

Idea: The film could be used for a fundraising benefit screening by the Coalition For Free Speech I’m sure many members bona fides and sincerity. re free speech could be sorely tested with racist taunts, abuse. demands to stop the screening and so on.
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August 11, 2018 8:04am
- holysheet
  
  Now all we need is for someone to do the same with the hate cult masquerading as a religion, and the COL can use that as a fundraiser.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Have you ever spent a nanosecond in an Islamic shithole (they all are, for a very good reason)?
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:15am
  - Justitia
    
    I spent two years working in the Middle East . On our last morning we were marched along with other passengers to the waiting aircraft on the tarmac, at the point of a gun. One of the local enforcers yelled at my wife in the vernacular which we both understood “get behind your husband” – she was striding out ahead, hijab and all. She spun around and replied “Oh fuck off”. I spent an anxious 20 minutes or so (she remained nonchalant) seated and waiting for the plane to take off. We all cheered at wheels-up and again when we departed their airspace and I have never returned to an Islamic country since.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:26am
    - igm
      
      Pity Islamists in NZ did not adopt the same attitudes and fuck off. Do they not know they are unwanted by anyone with half a brain. Only the likes of Green/Labour scum are supportive of them.
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:31am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Only supportive for their vote, nothing else
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:11am
      - kowtow
        
        steve
        
        The left is “supportive” of any “other” , so long as they can use them to bash the silent , white , majority with.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:15am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Justitia, which country in the Middle East? Would be frontpage news here at home.
      
      In any case what has that to do with the Spike Lee film?
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:33am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I’m never going to one ever again. Our Stephie might hold romantic dreams about these shitholes and those who dwell here, but these places and the people are fucking aweful. Let’s not import them. They might be nice on arrival, but they’re utter animals at home.
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:33am
      - holysheet
        
        Foreplay at stooopidboys place
        
        http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/iamges/sub9/romance-goats.jpg
        
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        August 11, 2018 8:41am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Camels smell, but they do lift the odd tail. It’s their thing.
        
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        August 11, 2018 8:51am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Rich Prick, tell us about the ones you visited in the Middle East?
        
        Include Israel?
        
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        August 11, 2018 8:57am
      - DigNap15
        
        Lets not.
        But we are
        How can we stop it?
        
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        August 11, 2018 8:59am
      - igm
        
        Take a look at a house that has been vacated by them . . . digusting “Pigs”!
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:05am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Jesus streploccoi, isn’t it enough I’m travelling through North African Islamic shitholes? Now you demand I go to Middle Eastern ones too? I think I’ve seen enough degradation of women and barbaric slaughter of animals in the streets, to see me through life. You’d like it here.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:11am
      - Rich Prick
        
        This is a serrious question for our Stehieboy, which Islamic countries have you spent time in? How were the women treated? The gays? The lesbians? The animals? We shall look forward to your answers.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:28am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Bugger me, a guy in pajamas just walked by with two women on leads. Fucking hell. This is Islam? How can anyone defend this religion?
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:39am
      - Rich Prick
        
        As expected, no answers from our Islamic expert. I’ll fill in. Women are treated like shit here. I was particularly disgusted by collars and leads some wore.
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:04am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Stephiboy why bring Israel into a discussion about Muslim shit holes as it is irrelevant to the topic
        – Israel is only democracy in Middle East
        – not majority Muslim
        – abides by western law
        – has no sharia court
        – is safe for Druze, christians, Buddhist’s, gays, transgender and even socialists
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:42am
      - Swifty
        
        Stiffy thinks all cultures are equal.
        
        Snigger.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        Actually Southern Israel is not safe for many races and religions. It has become increasingly intolerant and is a great example of what to avoid.
        
        Unless you believe spitting on people, burning their places of worship, putting them in camps to be deported, race purity tests, attacking women for not dressing modestly, are the way forward?
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:17pm
      - Viking2
        
        Well SB has been to Bali and its all nice there. even lots of nubile ladies at the beach to perv at.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:00pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Dick ,” Intelligence” gathering for the CIA and Five eyes?
        
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        August 11, 2018 3:36pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Worse RP after waiting in a long line for the loo it is finally our turn. Then the fun starts as it is just a hole in the deck of the ferry and the only thing in it’s favor is that it is calm water for this trip. You also understand why everybody carries a bog roll.
    
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    August 11, 2018 4:51pm
- Longknives
  
  Spike Lee- Who incited his followers to attack Charlton Heston and Clint Eastwood..(Because he disagreed with them Politically)
  Spike Lee- Who tweeted George Zimmerman’s address to his followers..(Trying to endanger his family)
  
  Classy Guy.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Longknives, sources, please with context?
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:58am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy,,anybody else like to take septics often used “sources please,with context?” and jam it where the sun don’t shine on him/her?
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Stephieboy, everytime you ask someone on KB to supply sources for information that is general knowledge, you signal to us a couple of things:
      1. you have poor general knowledge
      2. you lack basic research skills.
      
      Try this material for starters:
      https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/12/spike-lee-sued-tweet-george-zimmerman
      
      https://ew.com/article/2012/03/30/spike-lee-settles-zimmerman-tweet/
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:38am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        3. Is just plain common old garden lazy
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:23pm
- Harkman
  
  The KKK was established by Democrats and was viewed by many in the DNC like they view Antifa, BLM or planned parenthood today (approvingly).
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Harkman,
    
    “The only thing new in the world is the history you do not know.”
    
    ― Harry Truman
    
    Sigh!
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:00am
- Fletch
  
  I heard that the film is quite good … until the end, where Lee can’t resist taking a potshot at Trump.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:07am
-D

Making the rounds for a light start to the day, re plastic bag experience overseas: https://twitter.com/BBCScotland/status/972759533251694592
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August 11, 2018 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  Very comical. Strange how in Aussie there has been a fight back by shoppers, so maybe that old maxim is correct that the customer is always right.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:27am
- Paulus
  
  It is reported that as a result of no plastic bags we should use our bread bags for such as dog poos.
  How do I tell my dog which day it is for him to poo as I only buy one loaf a week !
  A bit like carless days again.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:38am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Paulus, use newspaper or paper products as many dog owners are now using.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:01am
    - srylands
      
      Do you have a dog? To safeguard against all plastic bags being banned I am going to buy 2000 of them from mitre 10. That should last me 6 years of dog walking duty.
      
      It is terrible that the oceans are full of plastic but banning plastic bags won’t fix the problem. At all.
      
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plastic-tide-10-rivers-contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:06am
    - godruelf
      
      While it is an admirable use for the Dom post or Herald I don’t buy either.
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:09am
    - Paulus
      
      Stephie
      What a dog shit rubbish comment.
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:30am
    - Viking2
      
      Yep and leave then at SB’s door step for processing.
      
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      August 11, 2018 2:05pm
  - alwyn
    
    “A bit like carless days again”.
    You certainly have a long memory don’t you?
    They were of course the product of that great National PM, Piggy Muldoon. How did we ever survive that lot of cretins in their 9 years of Rob’s Mob?
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:40am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I detested carless days. Those who could cheated the system. For the rest of us it was just added SHIT on your day.
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:41pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Bread bags also often have small holes in them.
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:58am
- Harkman
  
  Again our idiot leader makes a decision (to get rid of plastic bags), somebody tells her the alternatives don’t work, oh we’ll have to sort that out and discuss alternatives. Just like oil, they make a decision on ideological grounds without thinking about the consequences. I wonder if the old folks voting for Winston knew this was coming.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:56am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s not the end, either. The greenies are setting their sights on plastic bottles, teabag packaging and chocolate packaging.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:10am
    - kevn
      
      OMG. What if they come for… my polar fleece (made of plastic bottles, check youtube) clothing?
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:43am
    - KevOB
      
      Is there a use for greenie skin? The meat is probably too rank except for pig food.
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:34am
      - Viking2
        
        Nope, pigs won’t eat pig meat. 😆
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:07pm
  - artemisia
    
    Backlash in Australia, trolley loads left behind, grumpy customers, coming to a supermarket near you.
    
    I use a Metro supermarket in the CBD. Lots of chaps in suits buying a few things. Maybe some will bring a reusable bag for the sammies, sticky buns and bananas. Others will pop next door.
    
    Better to have the option of charging for bags.
    
    Will watch with interest ….
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:39am
  - Notsofast
    
    If I lift the lid of the blue top bin and put a plastic bag in it, how does it end in the ocean? The plastic bag is the most ecofriendly solution, equivalent to two liters of gasoline per family per year.
    The school kids with their gormless letters got to Jacinda. You do not see plastic bags as litter in New Zealand, despite the parade of false facts.
    
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    August 11, 2018 1:41pm
- ldypen
  
  Simple, go to your local Mitre-10 or Count Down put a whole lot of stuff in the trolley.. of to the check out, checkout operator will say “sorry no bags”, you say “get stuffed” walk out and leave all your items on the counter.. if many do this you will end up getting your “single use” bag.
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:02pm
duggledog

Leighton Smith had a bit of a poll on his show Thursday morning where people could ring up and rate our last three administrations out of ten; naturally most contributors gave the Joke Government (at best) one or two.

Pretty funny but perhaps what Leighton and his callers need to remember is that Jacinda Shaw, and Davidson (not necessarily Peters) have precisely zero interest in any New Zealanders except the ~ 10% who are at the bottom of the ladder.

Certainly not businessmen and women, and not even the nurses and teachers whose pay rises will soon be swallowed up by increased fuel costs, inflation etc.

That’s really all there is to it.
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August 11, 2018 8:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog,
  
  “That’s really all there is to it.”
  
  Therefore simply a permanent wage and price freeze?
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:13am
  - GazzaW
    
    Have you noticed how nobody responds to you any longer stephie? Just the mandatory downtick and we all move on. Maybe you should take a hint.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:37am
    - softail 1450
      
      GazzaW, i have been telling the lonely shite that for a long time but he’s not listening, he/she is like that one mosquito that you just can’t eliminate while trying to sleep.
      It’s specialty is to regurgitate often used words and phrases ad infinitum…..
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:27am
- kowtow
  
  Do they have an interest in the bottom 10 % ?
  
  Think about it , they probably don’t vote , so why the interest.
  
  Also the likes of Shaw/Robertson/Ardern are actually not from the so called working classes either. They are the dregs of the bourgeois class ( like most socialists)
  
  I think they feign an interest in the bottom as it gives them a cause , a cause to campaign on to get votes from other chardonnay socialists ( the beardy cardigan academic types , the unions , churches and crucially the media) in order to seize power . Once in power they can and do tell the middle and upper what to do and how to live and there’s never any change at the bottom. And there never will be , as no matter what you do certain folk will never make the right decisions about how to live .
  
  In fact things will only get worse as the more wealth they take off the productive to give to the non productive they will only do less for themselves.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:20am
  - stephieboy
    
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    kowtow,
    
    “Do they have an interest in the bottom 10 % ?”
    
    Certainly not in the bottom 0.002% you represent.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:35am
    - pentwig
      
      you are being particularly nasty this morning stupidboy
      no young girls to perv on in the cafe yet?
      
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      August 11, 2018 9:09am
      - kowtow
        
        Nah I reckon the goat wouldn’t put out for him.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:17am
      - softail 1450
        
        pentwig,,you hadn’t heard ,the poor goat slipped it’s collar again…
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:30am
artemisia

So we have a housing crisis.

The stated problem is usually – can’t afford private rents even with the Accommodation Supplement, if the AS is ever mentioned at all. The stated solution is usually – more social housing heavily subsidised by taxpayers.

The government, social agencies and the media never say some people are just not going to be offered a private tenancy by a landlord who can choose who lives in their asset.

And of course there plenty of reports of a shortage from 9 years of property speculation and population growth. But not a lot about property investors taking their ball and going home.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/106132067/the-rights-and-wrongs-of-renting
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August 11, 2018 8:10am
artemisia

Mr Farrar has a couple of counters running – Kiwibuild and trees.

There is an official government counter for trees and a Stuff Kiwibuild counter.

Trees counter
53,913,000 trees planted
67,474,000 seedlings sold for planting in 2018
6,515,000 government funded seedlings for planting in 2018.

So it’s the private sector doing the planting.

Kiwibuild tracker
Homes built 0
Under construction 430

http://www.mpi.govt.nz/funding-and-programmes/forestry/planting-one-billion-trees/tracking-progress-of-the-one-billion-trees-programme/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105105107/how-our-kiwibuild-tracker-works
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August 11, 2018 8:12am
ISeeRed

“Single-use” shopping bags to be banned to save the whales. Typical emotion-based, empty-headed virtue-signalling not based on rational cost/benefit analysis or empirical evidence. These bags are not “single use” (I reuse mine all the time), most plastic bags in the oceans originate from India and China not NZ, and people will be forced to buy bin liners that use more plastic and are actually “single use” by design, or just buy “single use” plastic bags in bulk. Just another empty gesture and retarded policy by this clueless government of limp-wristed, touchy-feely lefties.
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August 11, 2018 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  Our rubbish is put out in big yellow “Single use” bags. Will they replace them with re-uasable paper ones?
  If not, why pick on supermarkets and other retailers.
  When will we stop using all plastics? That dirty smelly oil must not be used in any form.
  Lets do this.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:22am
  - igm
    
    As a former rural property owner I would like to see what these lefty ;osers intend to do about disposable napkins.
    We had drains in front of our road paddocks and it was a constant task removing these and their takeaway rubbish, especially after public holidays.
    Bet Crockery and her leeching live-in stud use them.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:39am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hopefully, they will be replacing them with these reusable kinds,
      
      https://www.nappyheaven.co.nz
      
      Send Cindy and hubby a letter advising so!
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:48am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Hubby? You do know they are in a de facto relationship?
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:40am
- CHFR1
  
  Yes but this is perfect for her UN CV and that is what it is all about. I am predicting she will bail on the CoL before the end of the term because the world “needs” her so badly.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:26am
  - BlueGriffon
    
    Agree, she will do the 2 years to get the former PM perks then she’s off to the UN. Can’t some soon enough!
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:58am
    - Paulus
      
      She is off to give a speech to the UN very shortly in our own airforce private B757 Jet.
      Don’t know whether either or both Peters and H Clark are going along for her interview.
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:24pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I thought the Manhattan address was a bit posh for a chippie . . . . .
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:36pm
- Fletch
  
  The people have been brainwashed by it, too. A friend of mine ran a poll on his Facebook page, and it was about 600 in favour of the ban, and 100 against the ban. More Kiwis than not really do believe it will save the planet, or the country, or something. Some of the comments were like, “well, I just roll my shopping out in the trolley and throw it into a box in the boot”. Yeh, that works really well when it’s raining.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:19am
  - tf78
    
    If they’re coming for all plastic take a look around your house and tell me how we will get on without it. From telephones to toothpaste tubes when in reality the supermarket plastic bags go into the household rubbish bins not the recycling which has been sent off shore until recently – that’s whats been ending up in the oceans. So we should crank up Huntly power station with proper filter systems and burn the plastic instead of coal.
    
    Household rubbish goes to the bailing station and is sent to land fills as a very large block. Maybe the councils could do their jobs properly and empty public waste receptacles more frequently and eliminate rubbish around the streets and beaches, that would be a start. These idiots have no logic whatsoever.
    
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    August 11, 2018 10:01am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Last night there was a news report from Southland on plastic silage wrap farmers cut open their silage (feed) daily at this time of the year. Thailand has now refused to take the mega pile produced each year and Southland do not allow burying or burning of plastic. The recyclers in Southland are stockpiled to the full and they have told farmers to no longer send silage wrap for recycling but instead stockpile the plastic on their farms until a solution can be found.
      This is a larger problem than all the supermarket bags.
      What say you Cindy?
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:59am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Farmers won’t stand for that. They’ll just burn it … late at night so nobody sees the smoke; the same way they get rid of treestumps .
        
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        August 11, 2018 12:06pm
      - marcw
        
        Cindy will say they need to use a recyclable wrap – there isn’t one at present, but one of the “thousands of green jobsworths” Shaw promised us will be onto designing it as soon as they have killed all the cats.
        
        Perhaps they could just use paper in the meantime? Is there a flaw …?
        
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        August 11, 2018 12:35pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Burn it. Just have enough dry wood so the smoke blends properly. One of the benefits of living in the bush….
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:20pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I figured burning will be occurring. Farmers don’t want increasing amounts of rubbish building up as it only encourages rats.
        
        “Perhaps they could just use paper in the meantime? Is there a flaw …?”
        I’m guessing you are taking the piss marcw, lol. The flaw is silage bales sit on fencelines in the open. ?
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:50pm
      - Viking2
        
        Need a hot fire, so a couple or three tyres. Lay them down and fill the rims with diesel.
        Set them alight with some timber on top and load the bales on. The heat from the tyres will do the trick.
        Works great with green shrubbery.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:17pm
    - Viking2
      
      Wait till they remove all the bits offa your car.
      That will be fun.
      
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      August 11, 2018 7:03pm
RF

I see little squirrel has proven her worth. The COL were in trouble with Stephen Joyce’s black hole but along came the diversion.

In a very public forum the tooth fairy took squirrel from her caregiver and put on a discrete but obvious display of ? Breast feeding for the media. Shock horror.

Since then the overnight talk back has been running hot about the hungry Bub. Little mention of the financial hole that they have dug.

This has the finger prints of H1 & H2 all over it as Ardern is too thick to dream this up.
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August 11, 2018 8:19am
- Inandout
  
  I don’t think her mode of feeding has been established, so maybe a well hidden plastic bottle was used. I bet those Huggie naps used at her house are quietly disposed of by her minders, and cloth ones hung out to dry.
  Anyway, state funded TVNZ apologised.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:32am
- Simon
  
  “I see little squirrel has proven her worth. The COL were in trouble with Stephen Joyce’s black hole but along came the diversion.”
  
  The diversion was for the left themselves. Reality hurts.
  
  Everyone can see the Prog Princess and her lame government are in trouble, out of touch and out of their depth.
  
  They aint up to it, they know it and the baby helps them get through the day.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:18am
- waikatogirl
  
  Little squirrel won’t be able to hide the pump prices when filling up the car, nor the rise in prices when grocery shopping for the family. And a gentle ‘reminder’ to swear at the stupid law each time you forget to take your reusable bags with you!!
  
  Can we please have an early election? The COL is not fit for purpose!
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:06am
Paulus

I have head from inside the beltway the following “suggestion”.
Peters has to get his party hopping bill through – he will.
The with a full house on the left the MMP 5% threshold will be reduced to 3%.
This is why cocky Peters knows that he will put Cindy back as his PM and be in control as along with Jones buying a Northland seat they are as good assured of getting 3% if not.
It is said that this may be part of the special secret agreement between Labour and Peters.
Sounds very feasible.
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August 11, 2018 8:34am
- Piniwi
  
  Well Paulus it seems Johns has a fast track to providing new troughs in the regions and no prizes for guessing but the will be all canoe shaped: :”At a tourism conference in Napier, Ikaroa-Tairawhiti ( whatever that means) MP Meka Whaitiri said finding ways to encouraging more off-season and regional travel was a key priority for the government.
  The answer may be in offering more personalized, authentic and cultural experiences in smaller towns, with Maori tourism picked to be a big growth area, Tourism Export Council chief executive Judy Chen said.”
  The Maorification is also being fast tracked it seems as every thing is getting a gibberish label like the work for the dole scheme, most gatherings and all those wonderful new “initiatives” from the COL.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:15pm
Keeping Stock

An interesting exchange on Twitter:

Guy Williams
‏
Verified account

@guywilliamsguy
Aug 9

I’m all for free speech and all, but I feel like Don Brash has had plenty of opportunities to say everything he needs to say in his lifetime. I can’t imagine he has much to add at this point.

Penny Bright
‏@PennyBrightNZ
Aug 9

Who are you to be Judge and Jury on what Don Brash can say?
I don’t agree with Don Brash on most issues – but I think people should be able to listen, and think for themselves?
IMO dissent is the lifeblood of democracy. IMO – your view is quite arrogant Guy.
Just saying …

The world has been a strange place these days. I’ve liked and agreed with tweets from Penny Bright and Bomber Bradbury who, to their credit, have a better understanding of the principles of free speech than many on the Left.

And while we’re reflecting on Guy Williams, it’s interesting that:
a) the media has completely ignored allegations from a leading Australian immigration lawyer that his partner’s “refugee” claims are bogus, and
b) any denial from Ms Ghahraman herself.

Whilst a) is not surprising at all, b) is, given that Ms Ghahraman is usually very strident in defence of her claims.
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August 11, 2018 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
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  KS,
  
  “..better understanding of the principles of free speech than many on the Left.”
  
  I have not the slightest doubt the same applies to many on the right.!
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:39am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m sure you’re right Stephie, but most of the angst over Brash was coming from left-wingers.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:42am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Ctrl-Left is the correct term. These people shouting down Don Brash and other’s free speech are the lowest of the low on the lefty spectrum. They do not even understand their opinion is just that, they believe what they say is fact!
      
      As Jordan Peterson says, these naive people need to concentrate on fixing their own lives instead of believing they can fix the world.
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:15am
    - Piniwi
      
      Actually KS more like left-wing females supported some girlish looking others who are not sure of their gender – yet.
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:18pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Guy … who?
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:44am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Guy Whogivesafuck-nobody doncha know who I am?
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:52am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I know it’s popular to attack her, Keeping Stock, but didn’t Golriz Ghahramahen come here as a girl with her parents? So maybe you should save your slurs for those folk. Otherwise you might as well start attacking John Key’s immigrant mother – are you sure here arrival here was legit?
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    It is the dishonest portrayal of her journey here that is the problem.
    
    The secondary problematic issue is that she is that she is here.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:55am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    You might like to have a read of this mikenmild:
    
    https://jeanslaw.com.au/opinion.html
    
    And before you dismiss it as some sort of alt-right conspiracy, here are the credentials of the bloke who authored it:
    
    Simon Jeans is an accredited specialist in immigration law and on the Best Lawyers list for immigration lawyers in Australia. He is a former member of the Migration Review Tribunal and Refugee Review Tribunal. He has been working in refugee law since 1990. He has worked with refugees in Hong Kong, United Kingdom, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Syria and Australia. Since 2004, he has helped over 1000 Sabean Mandaean refugees from Iraq resettle in Australia. He has travelled throughout Iran, from Tabriz in the north west to Bam near the border with Pakistan, and cities in between like Shiraz, Tehran and Esfahan.
    
    Are you suggesting he’s made it all up?
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:00am
    - stephieboy
      
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      KS, I for one suggest that she ably and capably responds to those queries and smears in this address in reply debate,
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/WatchParliament/PlayVideo/OnDemand/197101
      
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      August 11, 2018 9:16am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Stephie – given that Simon Jeans only wrote and published the article two days ago, I for one suggest that you have got the cart before the horse. Jeans refers to claims Ms Ghahraman has made in the media and in Parliament, and refutes them.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:25am
      - stephieboy
        
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        KS, shall we begin here?
        
        Dirty Politics: the disturbing context behind Phil Quin’s allegations against Golriz Ghahraman.
        
        As has been widely reported, Phil Quin recently accused Green MP Golriz Ghahraman of genocide denial and of supporting those accused of human rights abuses. One of the keystones of his accusations – even after his public apology – was a paper Ghahraman co-wrote with lawyer Peter Robinson in 2008, entitled Can Rwandan President Kagame be Held Responsible at the ICTR for the Killing of President Habyarimana? which was published in the Journal of International Criminal Justice.
        
        Reading this paper, what really stood out to me was that it didn’t support any of Quin’s claims about it. Up until this point, I’d assumed Phil Quin was a well-meaning individual with a passionate interest in human rights which had led him to Rwanda, but that simply couldn’t account for the surprisingly large gap between what he claimed the paper said, and what it actually said. 1
        
        My interest was piqued. Who was Phil Quin, and what on earth would make him misinterpret a dry legal paper about hypothetical jurisdictions as “genocide denial”?
        
        https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/7hmhgt/dirty_politics_the_disturbing_context_behind_phil/
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        You can if you like Stephie, but are you denying that Ghahraman boasted about “holding genocide leaders to account” when she had also acted in defence of those convicted of crimes involving genocide?
        
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        August 11, 2018 10:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How timely,
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/bernard-ntuyahaga-jailed-over-deaths-of-10-belgian-soldiers-seeks-asylum-in-belgium
        
        Belgium is dealing with one of the Rwandan butchers who apart from being responsible for the machete killings of 10 Belgian Paratroopers was instrumental in spreading rumors that it was the Belgians that had shot down President Habyarimana’s plane.
        
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        August 11, 2018 12:06pm
    - softail 1450
      
      K S, a very enlightening read ,shows how easy it is to manipulate the truth which she has become expert at….
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:43am
  - Swifty
    
    She’s the one that has lied, not her parents.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She has put about the story that she came to NZ as a refugee, and that was well -publicised when she gort to Parliament.
    
    New Zealand elects first ever refugee MP: Golriz Ghahraman gains place
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11930645
    
    But it appears that she and her parents were just ordinary migrants to NZ – same as thousands of other folks.
    To arrive in NZ as a refugee means you have endured a completely different history than just hoping on a plane for a holiday as her family did.
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:55am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Nice Maggy. Thanks for that. You can go ahead and blame her as a fake for what her parents may or may not have done when she was nine years old.
      That’s what hypocrites like Keeping Stock do – hassle people like Golriz Gharahman and John Key for their parents’ immigration status.
      
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      August 11, 2018 12:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My in-laws arrived here in NZ as refugees, having the status as displaced persons prior to arrival here… stateless for 7 years; untermenschen for years before that.
        
        There is an internationally accepted definition for refugees.
        
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        August 11, 2018 12:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks for agreeing with me, Maggy, about Keeping Stocks lies. I appreciate it.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:35pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA
        I am not agreeing with you.
        
        I am pointing out that as a Lawyer with some International experience Ms Ghahraman has not given an accurate description of her status when she arrived in NZ.
        And in so doing, she trivialises the position and history of real refugees.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_law
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And I agree, Maggy. We should all be held accountable for telling the truth about what happened to our families when we were nine or ten. Amazingly, not everyone can get the details right about there early life. I recall a recent prime minister who claimed to be unable to remember what was happening when he was 20 years old! Incredible, isn’t it?
        I agree Ms Ghahraman has embellished her cv. Which doesn’t really tell us anything about her other than that she is a politician.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:11pm
      - Viking2
        
        Its is what she claimed as her history that’s fake MM. You are usually better than that.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I just want her to be held to the same standard for ‘lying’ about what happened when she was nine as John Key is held to for ‘lying’ about what happened when he was twenty.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, according to this account her family arrived here as asylum seekers ( not Quota refugees,)
      
      https://yournz.org/2017/10/15/golriz-ghahramans-refugee-past
      
      But keep up the smears!
      
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      August 11, 2018 12:14pm
      - Swifty
        
        So her parents helped to install an Islamic dictatorship and then ran away and left their mates to it when along came the predictable religious totalitarianism?
        
        What a shameful story if true.
        
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        August 11, 2018 12:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Swifty – you will be very upset to know then that John Key’s father was a communist who had the audacity to fight against Franco. So don’t forget to abuse Key for who his parents were, too, otherwise people will think you are a hypocrite, as well as a fuckwit.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:37pm
      - Swifty
        
        That time of the month is it milky?
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Did it take you long to think of that joke, Swifty? It’s quite a good one.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:28pm
      - Swifty
        
        Didn’t take too long thanks, fuckwit.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:38pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        If fleeing a holiday in Malaysia makes you a refugee, Golly Gee is one.
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:05pm
    - realityczech
      
      I don’t care where she came from or how she got here. The issue with her is the lies and misrepresentations. She has no honour and no code.
      
      I’d still give her one though. ?
      
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      August 11, 2018 12:42pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        what calibre?
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:23pm
      - stigie
        
        Yes, but would she take one..?
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:40pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Strange tweet from Guy Williams because given he is a media personality with his own newspaper column I would have thought he “has had plenty of opportunities to say everything he needs to say” as well but he keeps giving his opinions also so go figure.
  Maybe he classes his as more valuable.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:49am
- Harkman
  
  Guy Williams was Moron of the Year 2017 (he dethroned Minto) and he is the early favorite for this year’s title.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I don’t know about that, 2018 looks like a bumper moron crop to me, so many to choose from in such a short time . . . .
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:30am
    - holysheet
      
      Yes we have our very own moron who posts his/her/their crap here every day. Stoooooooopidboy wins hands down as moron-in-chief.
      
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      August 11, 2018 9:41am
    - freethinker
      
      New category required – Moronic Choir of the Year to allow all the COLL to qualify as ]hey all sing from the same shitsheet.
      
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      August 11, 2018 6:38pm
    - Piniwi
      
      New rules PG they all get a trophy for participating which is fitting when they are all seen on the same level of stupidity.
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:23pm
- Huevon
  
  I’m not a violent guy, but when I see Guy Williams I’m filled with this urge to punch him in the face. It’s those hipster glasses and his smug grin. Would love to wipe it off him.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:06am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    You’re a non-violent guy who just happens to feel the urge to punch complete strangers in the face. Er, OK…
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:11am
    - realityczech
      
      Yeah he sounds like a lefty Milt. Guy Williams should be banned from speaking in the interests of public safety. The precedent has been clearly set.
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:16am
  - Longknives
    
    A couple I know walked out of a Guy Williams show.
    They are actually Left-Leaning (I suspect they voted Labour) but they told me “He just wasn’t very funny at all”..”His whole routine is just sneering at and trying to offend White people”..”We expected at least some jokes”…
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:19am
- graham
  
  Fully agree KS. It is important to recognise and acknowledge Penny Bright for speaking out in support of Don Brash’s right to free speech.
  
  Good on you Penny.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:36am
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    I agree graham. Penny gets mocked a lot around here, often deservedly so, but on this issue she’s right on the money.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:58am
    - The Heat
      
      Good on Penny and Bradbury.
      
      They are voicing reason.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:07am
rightoverlabour

Stuff has a piece on teachers and the usual teacher bashing and defending ensues ( as it does on kiwiblog). I am a senior school teacher with management responsibilities and I have dealings in the primary sector. Both sets of comments are actually correct. Teachers do work hard, spend hours planning and marking and compared with the private sector do get underpaid if you use management reporting numbers as a metric. They do get more holidays, and some only work 8 – 3, and do the students no favours in the way they teach. The problem is there are good teachers who work much longer hours and through their holidays, and there are some teachers who do the minimum and use the profession to further political, social or union agendas. To chuck all teaches in the same basket is futile and meaningless. One area where teacher’s lives could be made better is a reduction in the ridiculus amount of compliance and “evidence” they have to accumulate for appraisal and registration purposes which detracts from the actual job of teaching. Performance pay would sort this, but the problem is how?
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  rightoverlabour , first class the first part But the second about teacher registration is there to ensure professional standards are maintained that include there is no sexual and physical abuse or other criminal acts etc.
  
  No different to Doctors and Nurses and other medical professionals.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:43am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I am not saying get rid of registration ( although all the pedos found guilty were all registered anyway), but reduce the paperwork compliance of supplying”evidence”. Principals know who the good teachers are and who the crap ones are. (and society know who the good principals are as well).
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:01am
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      The ability to get rid of crap ones at the same time.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:51am
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    ” ensure professional standards are maintained that include there is no sexual and physical abuse or other criminal acts etc.”
    
    Does that apply to all your mates at the Mosque SB?
    
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    August 11, 2018 2:28pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure how you would have a decent performance-pay system without appraisal. And why do we hear constant demands for ‘performance pay’ for teachers, but not for doctors, nurses, police officers or firefighters and other occupations where we need to expect that basic levels of training and competence are in place.
  Can you imagine a school where the parents are demanding that their kids are only taught by the highest paid teachers, or a hospital where the patients demand to be tended by the highest-paid nurse?
  Surely the answer for teachers is to ensure they are all teaching at reasonable standards and are well rewarded for that.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:53am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    That is why performance pay is essentially unworkable. However, there is zero incentive for one teacher to work harder than the next, other than possibly applying for promotion. The same goes for improving qualifications. Once you are at the top of the scale, that’s it unless you pick up management responsibilities. In South Africa when I left 20 years ago, higher qualifications always meant a higher pay scale. Lastly it’s almost impossible to get rid of crap teachers once they are permanent. So a lazy, disinterested teacher gets excactly the same pay, holiday and perks as one that works their butt off.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:06am
    - Viking2
      
      An old friend of mine was headmaster at a tough school when they were able to pay teachers for being better than other teachers and he had no trouble determining who they were and neither do the consumers of the service.
      If we as consumers can rate Dr’s, taxi’s, hotels, airlines and a eateries why do you have difficulty allowing that the consumers of the education provider can’t be rated?
      
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      August 11, 2018 7:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yeah but I don’t hear firefighters calling themselves unrewarded and undervalued taonga who need to be cherished….
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, they just whipped up a citizen-initiated referendum last time they thought their comfortable lifestyles were being threatened. Remember them on the streets, in uniform, soliciting signature: “C’mon, sign here and save a life”?
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:40pm
  - srylands
    
    There is effectively performance pay for doctors. The best ones go on to attract patients who pay. When I needed major surgery for an otherwise terminal problem, I shortlisted 3 cardiac surgeons. I looked at their backgrounds, and met two of them. Then I picked one.
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:23am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well good for you. You can choose a private school too, if you have the money and don’t want to risk getting the sort of teacher ordinary folks use. But what do your boasts of privilege tell us about paying doctors in public hospitals or teachers in state schools?
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:42pm
    - srylands
      
      I am not privileged. I just prioritised comprehensive health insurance.
      
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      August 11, 2018 2:00pm
  - realityczech
    
    I have to agree with you Milky. Performance pay fails when it comes into contact with reality.
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:24am
- The Heat
  
  “One area where teacher’s lives could be made better is a reduction in the ridiculus amount of compliance and “evidence” they have to accumulate for appraisal ”
  
  Many private professions do this – agreed KPIs that if met result in bonuses and/or promotion. Perhaps teachers just need better systems of same?
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:54am
- realityczech
  
  “One area where teacher’s lives could be made better is a reduction in the ridiculus amount of compliance and “evidence” they have to accumulate for appraisal and registration purposes which detracts from the actual job of teaching. Performance pay would sort this, but the problem is how?”
  
  Non Sequitur. Or are you suggesting teachers should be paid less due to the compliance and evidence requirements imposed on them ?
  
  How about performance pay for you managers and regulators? That might fix the problem.
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:23am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yes it is a non sequitur. The last sentence is more a summary than referencing the evidence issue. i.e performance pay might separate the goats from the sheep over all, and collecting screeds of “evidence” doesn’t necessarily indicate your competence as a teacher. I’ve collected “evidence” and its all crap tick boxes, where as the real evidence of my teaching is the realtionships I have with the kids and teachers, the learning that has taken place. But I have to show that I love the treaty, do PD, sing kumbaya, kiss the earth’s arse etc etc… ( and 3 bits for each of the 12 standards or what ever they call them these days). Seriously, Fuck Off. I need to spend time teaching, not all this other shit.
    
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    August 11, 2018 1:34pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I uptick your posts here as it is exactly how my DP partner describes it.
      
      Tin of cocoa, tin of cocoa, ball of crap
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:45pm
- Viking2
  
  rol.
  Lots of people work hard at their jobs.
  I have been employing people for about 50 years and there have been plenty who work hard. Indeed I consider my staff work hard or diligently and many over the years have done as many or more hours as teachers and often in shit conditions. Mostly for less pay than your average teacher.
  
  Teachers crying about their work conditions just doesn’t cut it.
  
  There is a lot of money in the system and too much is wasted by poor organization and priorities.
  
  The money spent on kids sport should come from their parents not the education budget but try advancing that argument. Its just socialist elitism for the sake of a few and the name of the school. sports club flourished before the education system sucked up the money.
  
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  August 11, 2018 7:18pm
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps rightoverlabour a simple spreadsheet would solve a lot of wasted time with simple daily entries along with simple formula to total any or all columns. Establish a coding system for entry method and columns explained in a set of standard reference notes prepared in the setting up.
  Obviously all that information required must be little more than a make work scheme for the bureaucrats since judging by the results continuing to slide down hill most goes unseen.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:37pm
VicParking

The Turkish Currency like the NZ dollar is tanking.
In NZ the COL says it will bost exports and incourage tourism. However in Turkey its going to be doom and gloom with higher interest rates, overseas loans paybacks higher and inported goods costing more (Inflation). The high and all powerfull Leader says however not to worry as we have Allah. (Guess which one?)
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August 11, 2018 8:43am
- Harkman
  
  Yep, we’re all poorer thanks Winston you patriotic comrade.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:59am
- Fletch
  
  As has been pointed out, New Zealand is now almost last in the OECD as far as business confidence. Only Turkey(!) and South Korea(!) are below us….
  
  https://data.oecd.org/chart/5fYl
  
  And when compared against the charting of ALL countries, only Turkey, South Africa and South Korea are below us – https://data.oecd.org/chart/5fYm
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:42am
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    Fletch, a drop from 10.1 to 9.54 is not massive.
    
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    August 11, 2018 12:29pm
- tf78
  
  Is the interest on the money borrowed by the COL Government paid in US$ – that will be a huge issue if it is so.
  
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  August 11, 2018 10:23am
cas

I saw jacinda’s publicity stunt of a beach clean up at Lyall Bay on TV last night. very virtue signalling since the beach had been cleaned up by the locals 5 days earlier!!!!
And also noticed Chris Hipkins being interviewed about something or other and noticed the man does not blink. I saw this in a longer interview. Is he a robot? It’s quite scary when you focus in on it
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August 11, 2018 8:47am
- Inandout
  
  Chris, in case you hadn’t noticed, is a humanoid. Labour is soooo diverse.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    First time I have seen hemorrhoid spelt like that.
    
    Learn something new here everyday.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:00am
- MCos
  
  Politicians the world over are always cleaning beaches, ladling soup, planting trees, hammering nails or whatever to draw attention to some worthy activity (& themselves)
  So what’s your point?
  
  In the case of John Key he drew attention to himself as about the only good Kiwi bloke who didn’t know how to handle a hammer.
  
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  August 11, 2018 3:53pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’s irrelevant MCos cause JK could afford to pay someone competent with a hammer. That is how a free market works. Would you expect a brain surgeon to wield a hammer with the same ability as a chippie? No, thank goodness!
    
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    August 11, 2018 4:13pm
Inandout

This bereavement leave fiasco being muted at present for miscarriages, will it include planned abortion? And what if a gay couple adopts a baby and it suffers cot death while in transit? Yet again the employer doesn’t merely hire a worker, they take on all kinds of social responsibility; then there is the actual business to run and make a profit from. I guess the answer is to hire women past child bearing age.
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August 11, 2018 8:51am
- Huevon
  
  My wife had a miscarriage. It was awful. But sometimes life showers you in shit and you deal with it. Don’t see why it’s an employer’s problem. Typical bullshit initiative from this government.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:16am
  - tf78
    
    I’m beginning to wonder how many actual working days will be left in a year.
    
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    August 11, 2018 10:26am
    - sooty
      
      And the reason to hire woman.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:54am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sorry to hear that Huevon. Awful time, but isn’t the need for time off after any trauma covered with the existing sick leave? Just more virtue signalling by the caring (manipulative) COL.
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:26am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It all depends on the employer. So, it depends on where we draw the line between minimum legal requirements in an employment relationship and the things that are at an employers’ discretion, or to a lesser extent, agreed between employees and employers.
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:46pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True Huevon ten after a coupe more the baby reaches delivery and the doctor tells you it is one in so many thousands to have multiple complications and only survived a few minutes after arriving in the world. Not surprisingly the mother slips into a dark place leaving the father to complete the birth registration, death record as well as arrange burial. Not a high point in life standing beside the Minister at such a small graveside with a light shower passing over to complete compete the misery. At least with a name already selected he did not end up as Baby X. But returning to work was a refuge form a dark cloud covered home front. Sadness not relieved by the newest arrival being the mother in law instead of a bundle of joy. Making it a shit shower plus.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:58pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right Inandout those of childbearing age will still have to get through PMS that can be dangerous for others nearby.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:41pm
VicParking

This Government has a policy of giving more handouts to the down trodden and out of work. Lets share the wealth and sock it to the rich pricks.
However: The US National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us “Please Do Not Feed the Animals.” Their stated reason for the policy is because “The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.”
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August 11, 2018 8:52am
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May the Space Force be with you.

Space Force: everything you need to know about the White House proposal
Mike Pence announced on Thursday a new military branch dedicated to fighting wars in space – but what is Space Force?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/10/space-force-everything-you-need-to-know

I wonder where the 8-10 billion for the proposed US Space force is coming from.?

White House or GOP credit card?
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August 11, 2018 8:53am
- Inandout
  
  Avoid the Guarden, and use Fox.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , why use Fox?
    
    https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:03am
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      Mostly old quotes from 2016, idiot.
      
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      August 11, 2018 9:31am
- Harkman
  
  Cindy will have future employment once she ruins nz. She is of course a spacecadet ?
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:03am
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NEW ZEALAND: Foreigners face ban on buying homes in New Zealand … UK Telegraph

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/weekend-reading-11-12-august-2018/#comment-3163775 … and …

Foreigners face ban on buying homes in New Zealand … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/10/foreigners-face-ban-buying-homes-new-zealand-apocalypse-bolthole/

… extract …

… But the country’s centre-left government, led by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, is blaming the apocalypse preppers for a major housing crisis in the country, with rates of homelessness among the highest in the developed world.

Ms. Ardern’s Labour party is adamant that a law change banning foreigners from buying most types of homes in the country – due to pass in parliament next week – will help damp down property prices, along with their plans to build 100,000 affordable housing units in a decade, resolve New Zealand’s zoning and infrastructure woes, and bolster its ailing construction industry.

The bill banning foreign buyers has been reeled in from an earlier, stricter, version, and will now allow foreigners to buy new apartments in large developments and multi-storey blocks. Existing homes remain off limits to non-residents, but people from Australia and Singapore will be exempt from the ban, due to free trade rules. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Reality check for Ministers (really some … just some … asleep enviros) at environment conference | Politik

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/Environment/1400/Reality-check-for-Ministers-at-environment-conference-Environmental-Defence-Society-Gary-Taylor-Phil-Twyford-David-Parker-RMA.htm

… extract …

… Attendees probably left last night with more questions than when they arrived as Ministers, who in Opposition had seemed sympathetic to environmental issues were left qualifying and modifying their stance on major issues.

This was starkly evident in an exchange between Urban Development Minister, Phil Twyford, and the EDS CEO, Gary Taylor over urban sprawl.

Twyford had set out an impassioned description of the impact of high house prices in Auckland and advocated the linking together of transport and other infrastructure and new housing developments.

But he also advocated the scrapping or urban-rural limits.

“We believe that we have to manage growth on the fringes of the city,” he said.

“If we do not allow new land to come into the supply we will never ever fix the problem of absurdly expensive urban land.

“With good investment in infrastructure and transport, with more planning, not less to create the future urban environment that we want, setting aside areas of special value and open spaces, acquiring land for transport and other infrastructure, if we then allow the city to grow we will bring down urban land prices and it is absolutely critical that we do,” he said.

Twyford had proposed this when he was in Opposition but, even so, any suggestion that more rural land was going to be absorbed for housing was going to be controversial at an environmental conference.

And Taylor was quick to respond.

“Everything makes sense except I worry about why you need to do away with rural-urban boundaries altogether,” said Taylor.

He said that giving free reign to developers seemed inconsistent with Twyford’s overall objective of having a compact city.

Twyford replied that it was a question of values.

“This is for us, for Labour, for our coalition government, this is fundamentally a social justice issue.

“Our objective is not to build a Copenhagen of the South Pacific.

“We could build a beautiful city with a whole lot of the policies we have talked about.

“We could build a Vancouver of the South Pacific; beautiful but utterly unaffordable.

“I’m interested in us fixing this totally dysfunctional urban land economy.

“If we don’t deal with affordability we will have completely wasted the opportunity that has been given to our generation.”

Twyford said the only way to deal with the affordability issue was to deal with the land price issue and that meant dealing with the artificial scarcity of land caused by the planning system and the availability of finance for infrastructure.

However he didn’t dispute that the Auckland region was going to become more heavily built up.

“You know what,” he said. “In two or three generations this is going to become a tri-city conurbation between Hamilton, Tauranga and Auckland whether we like it or not.” … read more via hyperlink above …

… further reading …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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August 11, 2018 8:55am
- geoff3012
  
  Keep up the good work.
  
  Needs to be way longer.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:43am
- Dave Mann
  
  Fuck off Hugh, you trolling asshole.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:52am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    UPDATE … CHRISTCHURCH NZ … HOUSE PRICES SINK … SPECULATORS FLEE …
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/weekend-reading-11-12-august-2018/#comment-3163834 … and …
    
    … UPDATE … CHRISTCHURCH CENTRAL …
    
    NOW … North Island investor exiting … 16 units individually for sale … Salisbury Street, Christchurch … Harcourts agents …
    
    http://harcourts.co.nz/Property/Residential?pageid=-1&search=&formsearch=true&OriginalTermText=&OriginalLocation=1419&location=1419&proptype=13&min=&max=&minbed=&maxbed=&sold=false
    April total property auction … Colliers agent …
    
    http://www.colliers.co.nz/news/2017/some%20of%20the%20first%20post-quake%20christchurch%20townhouses%20for%20sale/
    
    What happened at the April auction ? …
    
    Investors / speculators exiting … new owner occupiers emerging ?
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    … CHRISTCHURCH NZ … HOUSE PRICES SINK … SPECULATORS FLEE …
    
    ‘Severely unaffordable’ Christchurch NZ ( 5.4 Median Multiple … Demographia Survey … http://www.demographia.com ) prices sink as speculators ( investors ? ) flee … due to sustained new housing production …
    
    … Ignore inappropriate title … focus on CoreLogic suburban price and price trends graphs …
    
    Christchurch house prices may pick up as city buyers enjoy most affordable market in more than a decade | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/105774354/christchurch-house-prices-may-pick-up-as-city-buyers-enjoy-most-affordable-market-in-more-than-a-decade
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    Recent comment by Government Property Consultancy Quotable Value …
    
    QV’s average property values have fallen in Auckland, Tauranga and Wellington over the last three months – vendors warned against unrealistic price expectations … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94608/qvs-average-property-values-have-fallen-auckland-tauranga-and-wellington-over-last
    
    Quotable Value is warning flattening or falling house prices mean we are now in a buyer’s market and some vendors may have unrealistic expectations about what their property is worth …
    
    … In Christchurch sales activity was slowing while property values were flat overall, according to QV Christchurch property consultant Hamish Collins.
    
    There was growing interest for new builds in and around the city centre, but an oversupply of land and developments in fringe districts and on the outskirts of the city, he said.
    
    These included areas such as Halswell, Wigram, Preston and the Selwyn and Waimakariri districts.
    
    “We are seeing some developers offering new builds or recently constructed properties at discounts as a way to free up cash for their next project,” Collins said.
    
    “This is having a flow on effect on the overall value of new builds or existing properties in these areas,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    … An important earlier report …
    
    … A few further lessons from Greater Christchurch … (The GREATS are the smaller and functional Selwyn and Waimakariri Councils) …
    
    Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town
    
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    August 11, 2018 12:11pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      House prices fall by fastest rate in six years … Sydney Morning Herald
      
      https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-house-prices-fall-by-fastest-rate-in-six-years-20180801-p4zuuc.html
      
      Google News Search ‘Sydney Housing’
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=sydney+housing&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJt6T17tfcAhWJV7wKHVxyAfcQ_AUICygC&biw=474&bih=436
      
      Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
      
      http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
      
      … extract …
      
      … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 11, 2018 2:37pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Can you post some more links, I just can’t get enough of this.
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The Aussie Bankers and the Royal Commission … well worth reading and viewing …
        
        Banking royal commission: Industry super funds sail through inquiry as spotlight roasts NAB, retail funds … Asistralian Broadcasting Corporation
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-11/banking-royal-commission-roasts-nab-retail-super-funds/10107012
        
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        August 11, 2018 7:33pm
Harkman

So was that anti-Brash protestor a boy or girl?
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August 11, 2018 9:05am
- Urban Redneck
  
  I was wondering too.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:14am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Probably a lbtgpanwhoknowswhatthefuck I am…
  
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  August 11, 2018 5:04pm
DigNap15

I don’t litter my single use plastic bags.
They all end up in the wheelie bin after a few uses.

Get the people on boats and in India and Thailand etc to stop throwing them in their polluted rivers!

Was it in their manifesto to ban them?
No, just an imperial decree.
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August 11, 2018 9:05am
- softail 1450
  
  Dignap15, the people of our country should be getting concerned about the greens influence on policy ,it seems the fools have been given free reign to do what ever they want,whenever they want……
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:48am
DigNap15

Maori Vocabulary no 4
Here is todays word its
Actual
Act u al
The Maori word is
Not in my printed dictionary
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August 11, 2018 9:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  It’s here,
  
  “tinana”
  
  http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=actual
  
  Next one?
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:19am
  - DigNap15
    
    tinana
    Play
    1. (modifier) real, actual, actually, really.
    
    What is a modifier?
    
    Well we’ve got about 36,000 to go.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:29am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      A modifier is an adjective or adverb, ie, it modifies or limits the meaning of the word to which it has been applied.
      
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      August 11, 2018 9:42am
    - stephieboy
      
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      DipNAp15, an extesnive list of English borrowed words ,country by country language of origin
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_English_words_by_country_or_language_of_origin
      
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      August 11, 2018 9:42am
    - KevOB
      
      Tinana seems to have tino as its root: the word for a physical body. English equivalent of corporeal.
      Samoan has “lava” as a modifier acting as a an intensifier, affirmation, actually, indeed.
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:56am
      - Viking2
        
        Actually it is Hawaii that has the modifier switched on currently.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Very good, V2. Swifty – take notes on generating genuine humour.
        
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        August 11, 2018 2:46pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Samoan has “lava” as a modifier acting as a an intensifier, affirmation, actually, indeed.
        
        Indeed. Lava is definitely an intensifier, especially on the eastern tip of the big island of Hawaii at the moment.
        
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        August 11, 2018 6:01pm
- nasska
  
  Have you checked on whether the fans of Te Reo have invented a word for “absoluedly”? Ditto for “posidividly”.
  
  I’d hate to think that our friends of the Tangata Whenua wouldn’t be able to understand a word of what the Mother of the Nation’s Baby was banging on about!
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m all in manako of the hou Basic reo….such as
    Mana in Mahi where we blend Ingarirhi with Maori in an ungrammatical mess.
    
    Get used to it Kiwi kaituhi.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12104180
    
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    August 11, 2018 12:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      A key sentence in the Hooerald report on the promotion of Maori language:
      
      “While the goals were achievable, there needed to be a boost in resources.”
      
      There will need to be funds to pay for the scores and scores of people training at wananga, and now our univerities, training in Maori language, in kapa haka, in Maori oral history. They get bachelor and master’s degrees – even Ph.D’s.
      
      Where else can they benefit in employment from their Maori qualifications but in teaching what is a moribund language?
      
      The chief executive of the Maori Language Commission is quoted in the Hooerald report as saying:
      
      “Nothing says: ‘I am from New Zealand’ more than te reo Māori.”
      
      Someone in Moscow, or Tokyo, or Shanghai, or even London or Berlin, will be able to identify the exotic language the stranger is
      speaking as Maori?
      
      The sad fact is that Maori, like hundreds of other minority languages, is at best likely to keep shrinking in speaker numbers and at worst, die as a spoken language.
      
      Every tax dollar that does on trying to make it a nationally spoken language is wasted. NZ is no longer a rich country, and GDP per capita is now sliding as population growth outruns economic growth. That money would be better spent on helping Maori through general education and through improving Maori health.
      
      Columnist Joe Bennett is interesting on the survival chance of the Maori language:
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=12100454&ref=rss
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Nothing says: ‘I am from New Zealand’ more than te reo Māori.”
        
        Except maybe a circle tattooed on the cheek saying: Mighty Mongrel Mob Aotearoa
        
        It is a bit like you having side locks Jacksie.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        ?Or, one of those bone carvings around the neck. Or a face tattoo.
        
        Or, those kea feathers around your bum, ❗Realityczech.❗
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:27pm
      - realityczech
        
        Or a black eye and a fat lip if you are a lady.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:30pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Or pregnant at 12 with cuzzy bro as the most probable father….
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Hang on a minute!
        
        The push to resurrect Maori language may be more political than suspected by parents whose children are increasingly being indoctrinated with the language. Have a read …
        
        The NZ-founded web digest site, ALDaily, points to an article about “full decolonisation,” mainly about African languages, but touching on Maori.
        
        Is the corollary to this article: learn Maori, and you “decolonise” the country – help decouple it from the West?
        
        https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/08/06/ngugi-wa-thiongo-and-the-tyranny-of-language/
        
        The auhto of the article, Francis Wade, writes mainly about South-east Asia. He’s upset some people in Myanmar/Burma, who have a go at him on this site:
        
        https://hlaoo1980.blogspot.com/2013/02/who-really-is-so-called-journalist.html
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Edit: the “author” of the article, Francis Wade …
        
        Clumsy fingers: Sorry!
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:18pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I’ll fix that for you.
        
        “Nothing says: ‘I am virtue signaling from New Zealand’ more than te reo Māori.”
        
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        August 11, 2018 6:03pm
- waikatogirl
  
  How about Asked, pronounced in maori dictionary as “arkst”? ?
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:30am
  - KevOB
    
    Polynesian grammar has a word to introduce a question.
    
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    August 11, 2018 12:00pm
Inandout

No wonder the Herald is tanking if this is a ‘journalist’.
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/08/face-of-the-day-1738/
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August 11, 2018 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
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  Inandout , appropriately coming from that doyen of acute and incisive analysis, Whale Blubber!
  
  LOL
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:23am
  - Inandout
    
    If you live in an echo chamber it is no wonder you are thick.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    So what are you suggesting SB- that the people running Whaleoil made this up?
    Evidence please.
    If you know that this tweet was somehow fraudulently written, photographed and shared by someone other than The Herald journalist then you need to inform the appropriate authorities.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:48am
- softail 1450
  
  Inandout, and then the silly skank went and posted something while still drunk,,,she’s perfect for that dribbling left wing rag the Herald…
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:54am
  - tf78
    
    I wondered perhaps if all this plastic banning would be giving the Herald hope for new subscribers as they will then have paper to wrap their rubbish – it’s a win win for them.
    
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    August 11, 2018 10:48am
    - marcw
      
      The Herald will be trying to work out how to deliver their cat litter tray liner in weatherproof paper, now that their princess has banned single use plastic bags. I don’t see things going well for them.
      
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      August 11, 2018 12:53pm
  - KevOB
    
    You can see why I don’t read the Herald. Stuff is barely tolerable too.
    
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    August 11, 2018 12:05pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m emailing a complaint to the Herald- In it I will query whether this character suitable for the role? Is she impartial and is likely to report news? Or just give us her own drunken, left wing rants?..
  
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  August 11, 2018 10:34am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Email I just sent to Radio New Zealand after yet another one-sided propoganda show:

“I think we get now that every journalist is against Trump.

Trump said this, Trump said that.

You don’t report Trump did this, Trump did that, so much.

I am in no way a Trump supporter, but I am sick to death of so called journalists, whose job traditionally was to objectively report the NEWS (that is events) preaching their political views to their audiences.

When you have these political propoganda shows, why don’t you at least have one Trump supporter, to make it at least a fair debate?

Please report the news, not your political views.

Robert Black.”
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August 11, 2018 9:25am
- KevOB
  
  There once was news now its propaganda.
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:06pm
- Cobolt24
  
  I remember One “News” having a fairly long story on when the Democrats won in Alabama Senate election (Roy Moore lost it due to sexual assault allegations) but, they didn’t have any story when Senator Troy Balderson won in Ohio.
  
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  August 11, 2018 4:23pm
Swifty

Scummy anonymous EU bureaucrats do the right thing and pay the bloody bill!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106169479/debt-dodging-diplomats-time-in-new-zealand-is-up-but-money-might-yet-be-paid
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August 11, 2018 9:29am
DigNap15

Yes and all the tv “newsreaders” take every chance to get a cheap underhand shot at Trump. Childish sniggers
As if they think that everyone in NZ is anti Trump and that he is wrong on everything.
He is one of the few leaders to be standing u for America and what is right.
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August 11, 2018 9:36am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Hillary Barry, what a fucking moron that woman is
  
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  August 11, 2018 1:52pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Yes, very true, and annoying, especially when you know that when they are at home and at their little journo parties after a few wines, they are saying what they really think, as in “You know,” (whisper), “I actually agree with Trump on that one.” (stupid giggle).
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:13pm
dime

This is the speech Stefan Molyneux was going to give in NZ.

Truly shocking. Thank goodness this was shut down..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzL4za_8u4o
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August 11, 2018 9:36am
- DigNap15
  
  I’ve just downloaded, just in case Youtube or left wing social media censor it!
  Its on my hard drive!
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:42am
  - niggly
    
    Silly question, but how do you download them (or what’s the best software to do so)?
    
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    August 11, 2018 10:04am
    - dime
      
      https://y2mate.com
      
      just chuck the url into this
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:12am
      - Piniwi
        
        Or dime WinX You Tube Downloader for Win 10.
        
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        August 11, 2018 9:12pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      I use an excellent phone app called Tubemate. It’s a free download from tubemate. net and it’s great.
      
      You can choose the resolution you want and after you’ve downloaded the clip you can transfer it to your SD card and either listen to it as sound only (as ‘music’) or watch it.
      
      Also, you can play the downloaded clips in the background so you can do other stuff on your phone while it plays.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:21am
      - dime
        
        im gonna check that out. i roll with youtube red cause i hate ads (and money it seems).
        
        but their downloading for offline use sucks and also, im not thrilled with them as a company so i think ill stop giving them money and just wear the stinking ads
        
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        August 11, 2018 11:52am
    - Kabull
      
      If you are using Firefox, get the “1-Click YouTube Video Downloader” add-on.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:41am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Works for me
        
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        August 11, 2018 11:58am
    - niggly
      
      Thanks chaps, a solution for just about everything/platforms, will try them out!
      
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      August 11, 2018 11:50am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        YTD also works well .https://www.ytddownloader.com/download.html
        
        Cheers
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:51pm
- Fletch
  
  Good speech.
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:13am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thanks for the link Dime! I’ve just downloaded it and listened to it. There’s too much great stuff in there to comment on…. but let’s just say that Molyneux has nailed it 100%.
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:13am
- Viking2
  
  Surprised that you think that. Thought provoking and close to the bone but nothing I heard him say isn’t or wasn’t what happened.
  
  Unlike you to be overly sensitive.
  
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  August 11, 2018 3:46pm
DigNap15

I really hope that when National get back in they instruct TVNZ to just report the news and not be biased.
Or their funding will be cut by 10% for every offence!
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August 11, 2018 9:37am
- Nukuleka
  
  Sadly they had 9 years in which to do this and didn’t take the opportunity. I certainly doubt that Simon has the spine.
  
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  August 11, 2018 9:54am
  - Dave Mann
    
    National will never again be in government unless a new party is formed by people who care about freedom of speech, self responsibility and the defence of Western values.
    
    This new party should then pressure National to adhere to its founding principles as a condition of its support.
    
    None of the existing parties currently represented in our parliament has either the inclination or the power to do that…. so a new party needs to be formed otherwise our country will be lost.
    
    The socialist excesses of the present government aren’t something that came totally out of the blue. Under National the family was being destroyed, the homosexuals and transgender perverts were being praised, the education system was being taken over by Marxists, business was being eroded and there was a massive transfer of our hard earned wealth to the Maoris – to name just a small sample of where we are going as a country.
    
    If National was to miraculously become government tomorrow nothing much would change. All the stupid destructive actions of the COL would probably stay in place – unless a new freedom oriented party was there to force the changes that are needed to stop our country from self destruction.
    
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    August 11, 2018 11:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Dave Mann, “and the defence of Western values.” ?
      
      That must include tolerance for a wide range of diverse views and not prejudice and hatred that are alien Western values.
      
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      August 11, 2018 12:05pm
      - Viking2
        
        They are not alien values at all.
        If they were then the hundreds of religious wars would never have happened.
        
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        August 11, 2018 3:48pm
    - Viking2
      
      You are so right.
      Been saying exactly that for years and today in an interview I watched Simon described the Nats. as a Centre Right party.
      Nothing is further from the truth.
      Centre left would be better but still not far enough left.
      And you see that’s there is the problem. Until they recognize that they are right of Marxist but not even enough to make the centre they will never succeed in NZ and make NZ great.
      
      And that was the end point of Molyneux’s speech.
      
      Make people free.
      Remove the barriers to their freedom
      And importantly, today’s people are not responsible for dead peoples doing.
      
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      August 11, 2018 3:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But today’s people have to live with the consequences of dead people’s doings.
        
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        August 11, 2018 5:58pm
      - Viking2
        
        But today’s people have to live with the consequences of dead people’s doings.
        
        In the words of the infamous Helen clark
        Move on. Nothing to see here..
        
        What Molyinuex was saying is that no one today stole from nor deprived anyone alive 200 years ago of anything so blaming the sons for the sins of their fore fathers fathers and expecting reward for appeasement of that sin is theft as bad as the original sin.
        
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        August 11, 2018 7:55pm
realityczech

“Bugger me, a guy in pajamas just walked by with two women on leads.”

Probably a white Western girl who has been reading 50 Shades of Grey. 🙂
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August 11, 2018 10:24am
sooty

Has the Commie chick reached her Helen Clark’s lightbulb/showerhead moment, with plastic bags. Maybe some clever spark on the intenet could print up rolls off whity sayings and sell them to get up the noses of the snowflakes.
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August 11, 2018 10:33am
- niggly
  
  Well Labour weren’t looking good either in the aftermath of the NZF/Haumaha appointment debacle, even Stuart Nash was starting to look like a possum caught in headlights … Labour starting to suffer collateral damage but worse of all brand Jacinda was starting to be mentioned in terms of the sign-off. So can’t have the MSM asking non-patsy questions for once in their lives.
  
  Can’t have the people’s Princess tainted – must be avoided at all costs otherwise it is the end – so what better way for the Labour Party Exec to unleash distraction (#2) on a nationwide level by announcing the banning of plastic bags!
  
  But just like the O&G exploration banning/Labour Youth Camp distraction episode (#1), the actual costs to NZ’ers will outweigh perceived virtue signalling benefits …. but hey what was that about something to do with wiffy appointments again??? Nevermind, but about these plastic bags ….
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:08pm
  - VicParking
    
    They panic’d and organised a load to kids to clean up a beach that had just already be cleaned. I’m supprised they did not have Neve Te Aroha there in a red Bikini.
    
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    August 12, 2018 4:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes you can buy them in bulk on Trademe they are called T Shirt buys. I got the large ones 500. Next time I will get the Jumbo ones.
  You can also buy them in larger quantities for under 1 cent each on AliBabas and get them printed.
  Eg
  “I did not vote COL”
  
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  August 11, 2018 1:44pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thats great… I’ll check out printing.
    
    I phoned the marketing managers of two plastic bag companies recently and suggested they print some bags with “Get over it… this is a plastic bag”
    
    I got a negative response from both of them. They both said something similar to me about it being ‘unhelpful’ and not the sort of thing they approve of. I pointed out that they didn’t have to put their company name on them – just a punchy message… but I got nowhere with them.
    
    Softcock idiots.
    
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    August 11, 2018 2:15pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s almost as if they didn’t appreciate phone calls from random morons telling them how to run their businesses.
      
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      August 11, 2018 5:29pm
      - freethinker
        
        What did you & Ztev want printed on your bags then ?????
        
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        August 11, 2018 7:51pm
Inandout

This is enough to cause stephie a heart attack.

https://www.dangerous.com/store/star/
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August 11, 2018 10:37am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I just ordered some LOL
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:16am
Mobile Michael

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=12104375

Here is a flaw with Kiwisaver – people who have low life expectancy still have to wait until 65 to access their savings. I’d support the ability to withdraw funds at an earlier age, provided you have a condition where typical life expectancy is less that 70 and a medical examination shows a person has progressed so that their remaining life is likely to be 10 years or less.
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August 11, 2018 10:56am
- peterwn
  
  The manager could give a broad interpretation to ‘hardship’ in such cases if the client can make a reasonable case eg requiring more than usual ‘care’. Be interesting to know of any individual cases that have gone either way.
  The Official Assignee a few years ago issued a consultation paper and questionnaire about ‘grabbing’ a bankrupt’s Kiwisaver. The Court of Appeal knocked back attempts by the Official Assignee to claim ‘hardship’ on behalf of bankrupts to grab Kiwisaver money. I made a response violently opposing this (especially with regard to employer and Government contributions). All seemed to have gone quiet since. If anything the rules should be amended so the Official Assignee cannot get his hands on a Kiwisaver that matures while a person is in bankrupcy.
  
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  August 11, 2018 11:29am
- KevOB
  
  A diagnosis of a terminal illness should be reasonable grounds to release KiwiSaver.
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:11pm
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Terminal illness is already a criteria for release of Kiwisaver funds. The case I highlighted is for someone who will retire at 50-odd and only live to about 60-65.
    
    This is about allowing people with lower life expectancy to retire early and enjoy their remaining life without being reliant upon the government for all their income. The current system doesn’t anticipate this.
    
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    August 11, 2018 1:57pm
    - KevOB
      
      How can it be fairly determined? Different people have different circumstances and some have unknown conditions which will take them out of the workforce in the next few years.
      
      It may be possible to define a schedule which gives a lesser defined age for eligibility for different diseases or biological conditions. That would not be perfect either. Supplementary discretionary provisions would be needed.
      
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      August 11, 2018 6:48pm
- artemisia
  
  Alternatively, if a condition is known at sign up time enquiries should be made then. Same as any contract. Or take contributions holidays and open a bank account. Personal responsibility.
  
  Average life expectancy is not the same as a terminal illness.
  
  Certain ethnic groups in New Zealand are said to have shorter than average life expectancy. Very slippery slope for Kiwisaver providers and for the members who live to a ripe old age but have already spent the money.
  
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  August 11, 2018 1:55pm
- Viking2
  
  Go borrow all the money to buy a house and then sell the house.
  
  Its what they want others to do with their own money.
  
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  August 11, 2018 4:00pm
sooty

Don’t you love it. The commie chicl is now the “BAG LADY”.
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August 11, 2018 11:16am
Don the Kiwi

Update on the peaceful situation in Chicago – you know, that place with the stricktest gun laws in the US of A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=234&v=Z_quRDyijwo
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August 11, 2018 12:19pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Don the Kiwi, and where guns can be easily obtained interstate with generously liberal gun laws in neighbouring states.
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:25pm
  - realityczech
    
    While stupidboy prefers to suffocate his victims with shopping bags. I wonder if that is what he does with those young muslim girls he leers at?
    
    I can understand why he would not want decent ordinary folk to have guns around when he is doing that sort of thing!
    
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    August 11, 2018 12:50pm
    - Jack5
      
      In Stephiestan, they make a fetish of the old Afghan rifle, the jezail – big bore, long barrel – though what they really prize is a home-made version of the AK47.
      
      “Big bore jezail” is a description that illustrates that most Stephiestani Syndicate trolls have a lot in common with those old guns.
      
      Kipling’s mention of the jezail on the North-West frontier:
      
      A scrimmage in a Border Station
      A canter down some dark defile
      Two thousand pounds of education
      Drops to a ten-rupee jezail.
      
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      August 11, 2018 1:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        The Afghans can make a functioning automatic weapon in a mud hut with a dirt floor using a few simple tools.
        
        Best to leave such people alone and mind your own business.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:28pm
      - Jack5
        
        Well, goodness, gracious me …
        
        But, Realityczech, they couldn’t assemble one of Cody Wilson’s AR15s.
        
        Ghost Gunner 3D metal printer might sit on the mud floor but it needs electricity.
        
        Not sure that the tribesmen can make AK45 ammunition, either. Reload at a pinch, maybe, but they would need to get the bullets and reloading gear from somewhere, and down in Karachi the back alley shops stock only Semtex and C4.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        The yanks spent billions on trying to make vehicles safe from IED’s. They came up with some impressive vehicles.
        
        The Afghans thought about this and simply made bigger bombs. They shredded the new vehicles like a beer can. They also use simple home made shape charges that can defeat a main battle tanks armour.
        
        All this is done with few pieces of scrap and commonly used chemicals.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFoOf80Qrzw
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Realityczech… you and I seem to agree that it’s a waste of lives and money being in Afghanistan. Better to buy off the Afghans, as the British did after the three British-Afghan wars. Far, far cheaper.
        
        The only way to subdue Afghanistan would be the Genghis Khan way – submit, or total annihilation. That doesn’t fit with Western values, nor even with post-Stalin Soviet ones. The Red Army didn’t venture to repeat its appallingly brutal annihilation of the people of East Prussia: run, or die.
        
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        August 11, 2018 1:48pm
Don the Kiwi

Shit – the irony meter is taking a hammering today.
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August 11, 2018 12:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi, big market emerging in plastic bags for you to invest in?
  
  LOL
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is the second time stephieboy has suggested a Kiwiblogger kill themselves by asphixiation.

It is illegal to incite or counsel a person to commit suicide.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/137.0/DLM329347.html
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August 11, 2018 12:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, not at all. But I think the response was OK under the circumstances and no one is compelled to do stupid acts.
  
  Hyperbole is allowed on KB I believe and I have been “ counselled ” to do similar by many posters. eg Get F’d, Jump off a tower etc, etc.
  
  Let me add become a suicide bomber I beleive
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:38pm
- holysheet
  
  Yeah but these leftie fuckwits get away with it.
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:44pm
sooty

Thank you stupid boy, another report button pushed. May you go and meet ztev.
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August 11, 2018 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have sent a comment email to Mr Farrar about stephieboy’s request that you asphyxiate yourself.
  
  He doesn’t always see those emails though, so it may pay to email or contact him directly.
  
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  August 11, 2018 12:44pm
  - holysheet
    
    Good to see stoooopidboys comment (re sooties demise by asphyxiation) has been removed.
    Now all we need is for him and his stoooopid comments being removed from here forever.
    
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    August 11, 2018 1:05pm
  - Longknives
    
    What did Stephieboy say this time?
    
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    August 11, 2018 3:57pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      See holysheet and Maggy’s comments above. If sooty had taken his advice he could have mortally wounded himself…
      
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      August 11, 2018 4:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      For the 2nd time (that I have seen) stephieboy outlined a method instructing/cajoling a fellow kiwiblogger to kill himself.
      
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      August 11, 2018 4:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, untrue!
        
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        August 12, 2018 4:46pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why is it untrue, stephieboy?
        
        Are you accusing me of telling lies?
        
        If I have misinterpreted your words, then please provide an exact copy of what was deleted here yesterday and on a previous occasion.
        
        Remember it was to do with requesting that a Kiwiblogger put a plastic bag over their head… and then carry out a few other steps, that I will not outline.
        
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        August 12, 2018 5:06pm
waikatogirl

You’re a ‘Marama Davidson’ sb! What a hideous and dangerous suggestion to Sooty.
I thought you may have pulled your head in after you suggested the same thing recently. Stupid Boy is appropriate.
You should be banned for life from KB.
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August 11, 2018 12:45pm
Manolo

This dynasty of crooks is alive and well:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/chelsea-clinton-to-headline-abortion-event-opposing-brett-kavanaugh

Chelsea Clinton has not endorsed any candidates ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, but she is jumping into the Senate fight over President Trump’s nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

Clinton will headline a “Rise Up For Roe” event in New York City Saturday to oppose Trump’s second nominee to the nation’s highest court, she confirmed.
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August 11, 2018 12:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Dynasty of crooks?
  Well I suppose you have Fred, his son Donald, and Donald’s sons Donald Jnr and Eric. No word yet if this inherent criminality has been passed through to a fourth generation.
  
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  August 11, 2018 2:06pm
- Inandout
  
  She certainly didn’t inherit any good looks, and she has written crap books. A bit like Tori Spelling, no amount of money can make her attractive.
  
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  August 11, 2018 3:14pm
  - itstricky
    
    Tori Spelling
    
    Well…. there’s something completely random. Sounds like someone was a little jealous of Donna and David.
    
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    August 11, 2018 8:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, cosmology Clinton and Obama conspiracy theories have what in common?
  
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  August 11, 2018 3:34pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The world waits while the rather stupid offspring formulates a thought. Is this what we have come to?
  
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  August 11, 2018 5:49pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    We could be waiting for Trump’s children to be formulate a single thought between them. Could be a long wait. Is this what we have come to?
    
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    August 11, 2018 5:56pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      No, they are quite bright. Chelsea on the other hand, struggles with shoe laces.
      
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      August 12, 2018 3:54am
Swifty

REPORTED.
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August 11, 2018 12:56pm
Fletch

Kayne West on Trump, Democrats, and voting –

“Just as a musician, African-American, guy in Hollywood… All these different things, you know, everyone around me tried to pick my candidate for me and then told me that every time I said I liked Trump that I couldn’t say it out loud or my career would be over, I’d get kicked out the black community because we’re supposed to have a monolithic thought, we can only be Democrats and all — so even when I said it right before I went to the hospital and I expressed myself, and when I came out I had lost my confidence.

I didn’t have the confidence to take on the world and possible backlash, and it took me a year and a half to have the confidence to stand up and put on the hat, no matter what the consequences were.

And what it represented to me is that about policies — and I’m not a politician — it represented overcoming fear and doing what you felt, no matter what you said, you can’t bully me.

Liberals can’t bully me, news can’t bully me, the hip hop community can’t bully me, because at that point if I’m afraid to be me, I’m not longer Ye. That’s what makes Ye. And I actually quite enjoy when people are actually mad at me about certain things.”

https://youtu.be/rzXpJcwqYIg?t=3m26s
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August 11, 2018 2:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Gee, I wonder if Fletch has ever taking a potshot at any other celebrities commenting on politics.
  
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  August 11, 2018 2:31pm
  - itstricky
    
    Surely never.
    
    While we’re here – let’s remind Fletch that Kayne will be president so he’ll have plenty of opportunity to continue to sing (boom boom) his praises:
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/kanye-west-us-president-run-bid-2024-twitter-campaign-latest-a8321106.html
    
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    August 11, 2018 7:56pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You two are missing the point.
      Fletch is a Trump supporter and he well knows that Kanye is an old friend of Trumps and has been vocal about that friendship.
      
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      August 11, 2018 8:14pm
      - itstricky
        
        You two are missing the point.
        
        Can’t we just skip the step where you pretend to be engaged and go straight to the bit where you call me a ‘loser cry baby soy boy commie fuckwit’? That’s so much more fun (and mildly schizophrenic).
        
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        August 11, 2018 8:25pm
Odakyu-sen

Japanese confectionery.
Western sweets tend to be sugary and flavored with (often acidic and sharp) fruit juices.
Traditional Japanese confectionery, on the other hand, is in the “yam,” “bean” and “kumara” camp, with a more floury texture. They can be an acquired taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhELZjSVXo
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August 11, 2018 6:13pm
Cobolt24

Well that does it, One News had two anti Trump stories in a row. First one was someone calling him a “racist bigot” and the second one was about Kanye pausing when Jimmy Kimmel asked him a question related to Trump.
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August 11, 2018 6:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, they showed a little snippet from the Kanye interview, and not the large part that I have linked in my 2:18pm post above. Kanye was actually talking about standing up for himself and his right to vote against the way the black community is supposed to vote (always Democrat).
  
  It was totally dishonest of 1 News.
  
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  August 11, 2018 6:51pm
  - itstricky
    
    Kanye was actually talking about standing up for himself
    
    Did Trump outlaw that? You know, kneeling for yourself?
    
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    August 11, 2018 7:54pm
- Jack5
  
  Cobolt, the TVNZ News B team, which runs Saturday and Sunday news, is even more Left wing than the Monday-to-Friday team.
  
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  August 11, 2018 8:38pm
  - Harkman
    
    By a long way Jack.
    
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    August 11, 2018 9:47pm
VicParking

Lets pass a law that if “I” think you are going to commit a crime we throw you in jail. Police will arrive at a pub and all those with cars in the car park are charged with drink driving. If a security guard thinks you look dicy you are charged with shoplifting. If the powers to be think you might be going to say something that they think is “Hate” speech your meeting is cancelled…. Oh know thats right we already have that.
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