General Debate 09 August 2018

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peterwn

Simon Bridges told off for telling the truth – ‘This is not Comedy Hour’.
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August 9, 2018 9:29am
duggledog

LOL at Chris Gallavin, an intellectual, who wrote this article:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/363686/opinion-democracy-is-messy-emotional-rational-and-irrational

Chris backs Don Brash’s right to speak at Massey but says:

“Dr Don Brash is not a proponent of hate speech. Is he polarising? Yes. Part of a small minority? Perhaps.”

‘Part of a small minority’, my hairy ass.

Gallavin needs to get out a bit more. Don Brash’s rhetoric and ‘Iwi / kiwi’ campaign was enormously successful and resonated right around the country.

As so many ordinary Maori continue to fall down while their elite become ever wealthier (and are now eyeing up water ownership), another campaign like the above would go off like a bush fire.

‘Small minority’. Where do they find these people?
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August 9, 2018 9:30am
- stephieboy
  
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  “Small minority”? Here on KB.Yes indeed! I think the percentage of the population that is mentally unsound gives us some clues.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:38am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Surprise…
    
    “I dont agree with what you say so you must be insane”
    
    And who says the left isn’t predictable?
    
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    August 9, 2018 9:46am
    - KiWombat
      
      Don’t be concerned hmm – it takes one to know one !
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:01am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Stephie – having not worked for eight months after a bout of depression and anxiety, I find your comment deeply offensive.
    
    I may have struggled to cope with day-to-day stuff, but that hasn’t changed my moral compass one iota. By labelling all those who disagree with your worldview as “mentally unsound”, you do both yourself and those who from time to time struggle with mental illness no justice whatsoever.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:21pm
    - wiseowl
      
      KS.
      Hope you have had some help.Have you come across CBT?
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:32pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I have had some great help thanks Wiseowl, and should be back working part-time from the beginning of September. Given that I’m only a couple of years away from eligibility for superannuation, part-time work will be my lot from now on, now that I have accepted that my health is more important than anything else.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:36pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Sorry to hear that KS. There’s more people who struggle with their mental parallels than those that don’t. StephieGoatShagger, I’d say you are under 30 and deeply skeptical of your parents. You’ve probably bludged your way across good tranches of time and prided yourself on voting Left. Every Fucking Time. You’ve got no idea what depression and anxiety manifests itself as. But we, who do! Get the Fuck Up and contribute to society. Hell try being completely paralysed and having to how learning how to walk again and raise a family. Brain injury gives you a true Horror House Experience. Not just at the outset but years later when booze seems like the only solution and you have to overcome that. Which I have. People rely on me. But I have to be ever fucking vigilant. You just have to wipe your own arse.
      
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      August 11, 2018 10:02pm
- Harkman
  
  Gallivan is one of the “intellectual” nutjobs who believes Scott Watson’s tales.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:56am
- KevOB
  
  I suspect we are seeing increasing fragmentation of Maori tribal society. Those with power taking over the economic assets and not sharing them? Are water rights to be separately allocated for every creek or puddle?
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:06am
- The Heat
  
  I skipped through this ridiculous fake news piece about Freedom Of Speech In NZ
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0R-2-gCBo
  
  Davidson: “freedom of speech is being used as an excuse”
  
  I’m sorry – what?!?
  
  Freedom of speech means exactly that – freedom to say what you want, without excuse. People could exhibit all kinds of prejudices, but so what? Debate them.
  
  It has nothing to do with who is saying what- that’s the whole point.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:18am
Tricati

So, Steven Joyce was right and there is an ever increasing ‘Fiscal Hole’ in the governments accounts.
An interesting article by Cameron Bargie in today’s Herald where he explains how the government is hiding its additional borrowing via Crown Entities.
Where is Barry Soper, and the other so-called experts that decried Joyce on this – Alas, I feel they will be writing up the next baby in arms storey, or how bad businesses are towards Cindy.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12103577
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August 9, 2018 9:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Will the real Minister of Finance stand up and take his rightful position please?
  
  Will all those ‘economists’ who disparaged Mr Joyce, please form an orderly queue on the left with dead rats at the ready for swallowing.
  
  Will all the shouty, screamy, spitty ‘journalists’ who reported loud and clear from every media rooftop medium, please take a rat from the box and form a queue behind the ‘economists’
  
  ‘Cameron Bagrie: Why Steven Joyce was telling the truth about the fiscal hole’
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12103577
  
  Some highlights from the ratfest:
  
  Steven Joyce is going to be proved right. There is a fiscal hole and a softening economy is making it wider.
  
  . . . the Labour-led Government’s fiscal hole is looking deeper by the day – and bigger than the $11.7 billion of additional borrowing that Joyce identified.
  
  The 2018 Budget stretched the definition of an “economic development initiative”. Those initiatives, or the lack of them, was a glaring hole.
  
  Before the election there was broad agreement from economists, myself included, that there was no fiscal hole in the Labour’s fiscal plan. (this is known as ‘warming the rat before the swallow’)
  
  But the picture is changing and the Government’s ambitions are looking more and more like pipe dreams.
  
  The economy is not tracking as expected. The Treasury is projecting 3 per cent plus growth. Something closer to half of that is on offer.
  
  The article is just peppered with the beginning of the backslide from the ‘experts’
  
  With apologies: ‘It was followed by a rumour that he had died. According to a widely-repeated legend, the Auckland newspaper actually printed his obituary and, when Joyce was told about this by a reporter, he quipped: “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”’
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:33am
  - KevOB
    
    A Minister of Finance who rejects Treasury advice is not fit for Office. Grant is blinded by ignorance and ideology. Ministers have a duty to be capable of executing their duties. A worker as incapable as Grant would be sacked.
    
    Presenting belief in one’s ability to hold an executive position without having functional capacity could be fraud.
    
    Joyce knows what Grant R. cannot perceive.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:14am
- Lance
  
  And the MSM (et al) turds did a hit job on Joyce for telling the truth.
  Liar LIAR LIAR pants on fire Joyce. Even our pet economists say Joyce is a LIAR LIAR !!!
  
  Of course apologies all round to Joyce coming soon….. crickets.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, at the time of all the media manipulated spin about the fiscal hole during the election campaign, I seem to recall that Mr Cameron Bagrie was one of those economists who joined the bandwagon rubbishing Joyce for his prediction.
    Up until then, I had a bit of respect for Bagrie – but no more.
    
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    August 9, 2018 9:56am
    - Poppa
      
      I actually heard Cameron on talking with Larry Williams at the time & he did say that in his opinion the hole existed but only about 8b
      
      I think he was the only one who showed any support for it at the time
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:04am
      - hullkiwi
        
        At the time Bagrie was the only economist to say there was potential for a whole. He would not quantify the hole & he did not agree with Joyce on the extent of the fiscal hole.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:32pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Yep, the mea culpa in his article is not enough, there needs to be an apology as big and as loud as the condemnations!
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:04am
- oldgolfer
  
  And with Cindy, Phil, Andy et al digging for all they are worth, the hole will get much bigger.
  Mr Bagrie made a dull Thursday so much more pleasant.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:52am
- Prince
  
  Many of those piling in on Joyce last year (eg Vernon Small) are now happily ensconced in Ministerial offices, thanks very much.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:02am
  - Tricati
    
    Yes, nepotism was strong in Mr Small along with Gowers ‘big fat lie’ line.
    We need Bridges & Adams to step up to the plate and attack these muppets in every possible way and ram home the financial mis-management narrative in conjunction with dropping business confidence.
    Time to take the cloves off.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:40pm
- stephen2d
  
  Barry Soper, Pinot Noir expert.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:24am
AgainstTheFlow

The Nurses union is refusing to announce the result of the final ballot and have shut down the Facebook page to end debate. Settling the industrial dispute got the Coalition government out of the embarrassing situation of the first nurses’ strike in decades.

Members of my family are nurses. Their suspicions about whose side the Nurses Organisation was really on started when that organisation agreed with their DHB on the conditions of the strike – what was ruled as ‘life preserving’, how many nurses would be rostered on in which departments, what services would be continued etc. Nurses had to obey that NO/DHB agreement – if they were rostered, they had to show up.

Essentially, the NO ensured that the strike agreement meant that the number of nurses in hospitals was higher than usual, and in fact as many as possible were forced to be working.

The NO at my family’s DHB did everything possible to make the strike day as least disruptive and ineffective as possible. And now the Nurses union is refusing to release the final ballot numbers.

Is the union more loyal to the Labour-led government than to its members?
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August 9, 2018 9:33am
- Tricati
  
  Cindy was due back so needed a good news story – The members had done their bit in ratcheting up the settlement that can be leveraged off by other state service workers (use term lightly), so now time to crap on them for Cindy’s sake.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:38am
- Biscuit
  
  AgainstTheFlow, many many years ago it was compulsory for folk in my industry to be members of unions.
  
  And to have membership fees deducted from our salaries whether we wanted that or not.
  
  I swear this happened each year.
  
  Company: We can offer a 4% pay rise this year. And a bonus pool that will be divvied up if and when our employees agree to and then meet KPI targets that their supervisors and them will set.
  
  Union: That’s appalling. Every one of our members deserves a 25% rise at least. Even the dullest and dumbest.
  
  Company: What colour are the Suns your planet orbits?
  
  Union: We recommend our staff strike. We’ll be having stop-work meetings right across the country and conducting a vote. Who’ll count the votes? Why, us pure-as-the-driven-snow Union folk, of course. And we’ll make it a secret ballot, too. No need for transparency. You can trust us.
  
  The ‘vote’ always turned out to be ‘heavily’ in favour of a strike … although in all my time there I only twice came across anyone who actually voted TO strike.
  So, industrial (in)action it was…
  A few days of no-pay. Something newbies to work like me – new car to run, new girlfriend to amuse, new flat to fund – couldn’t much afford.
  
  Union: The company now offers 6%. See what we can do. Ain’t we wonderful?
  
  I couldn’t wait to ditch the buggers asap (and stop the robbery that was the fee they took to misrepresent me) once the opportunity came along and negotiate directly with my employers!
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:52am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit well said.
    
    In the early 80’s I got railroaded into the Union Delegate position at the branch of the BNZ I was at. Soon after a 2 day strike was called after so called stalled pay negotiations.
    
    On day 1 I went to work along with about 5 or 6 other staff – total staff was about 35 as I recall..
    On day 2 I took the days leave I had previously arranged to attend the local race meeting and I think about 15/20 staff turned up for work.
    
    Cannot remember the outcome of the pay round but we probably got bugger all increase.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:10am
  - Garbageman
    
    Quite a familiar story that would resonate with a lot of people Biscuit, i am proud to say the company i manage is to a man and woman non union (their choice as the wider company branches are unionized) every branch negotiates independently every year and not only do they all get the same pay rate increase and other negotiated benefits they dont have to pay some union bludger weekly and you can be sure i look after them for their stance with many added perks, fyi my mother was 2IC in a large union and i have seen just how these slimeballs operate, a more duplicitous and vile bunch of self serving bunch of people i have yet to meet
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:54am
- peterwn
  
  Yes, union leadership (especially paid positions) is part of the career progression for budding left wing politicians and so these people are more conscious of what the Labour Party leadership think of them than what union members think of them.
  In the old days with compulsory unionism etc (and even where it was not compulsory eg the PSA although the then PSIS was a big incentive to join), manipulating the membership including threatening them was the norm and still is the norm. Hence many union members had a dislike for their unions and were not too sorry when Rogernomics greatly weakened the power of many unions.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:06am
- KevOB
  
  The union owns the Labour Govt.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:17am
  - VicParking
    
    The Government is the Unions Bitch would be a better description
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:52am
- Harkman
  
  So my sister is one tough cookie, right. Anyhow her teenage son was concussed play rugby last weekend (someone deliberately kicked him in the head at the bottom of a ruck) and later he started feeling really dizzy, so they rushed him to the A&E Saturday night. Anyhow they had to wait some 4-5 hours for attention and my sister was busting went to walk into one of toilets and then one of the nurses yell at her, “You can’t go go in there, that’s for patients only!” Wow, like a red rag to a bull, “You f_cken lazy unionized bitch, don’t you tell that I can’t use the loos, I pay your wages and if I got some service I wouldn’t still be here.” Apparently, that nurse then went and hid in some office. Hilarious ?
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:25am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Bullying is rife in nursing.
    But so is snowflake counter-claims and procedural game-playng if anything is done about it.
    
    Getting rid of incompetents is very hard because of the process and no-one wants the money wasted on legal fees.
    And there is no guarantee the next one will be better.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:38am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So how’s the lad?
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:25pm
    - Harkman
      
      A bit of a worry actually, two days of bad headaches. And he was wearing head gear.
      
      (Sorry about my spelling mistakes too)
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:39pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder what mechanism is in place to make sure the count is done properly.
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August 9, 2018 9:36am
- igm
  
  Ask Gutless Little Andy, he is still deeply involved in union affairs.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:51am
  - Philview
    
    Andy was in the news this week about the Pike River entry. I have great sympathy for those families, however I have heard Andy say previously this is about finding evidence for a criminal investigation. I can imagine that he wants to find evidence that miners survived the first blast for much political gain.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:05am
    - KevOB
      
      Has the legal position changed? If there is another explosion who will be responsible?
      How can they assess the risk against international experts opinion that a mine over a gas producing fault is impossible to make safe? The Methane doesn’t stop being emitted from the hidden depths.
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:22am
      - sooty
        
        I have no sympathy for the surviors of pike river miners that are supporting Angry Andrew. For the others, yes.
        
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        August 9, 2018 5:20pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Doesn’t Elon have a gadget for this situation?
        
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        August 9, 2018 8:53pm
  - VicParking
    
    Little “Andy” is to busy looking up receipes for Dead Rat. (for those that watched question time yesterday)
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:55am
Philview

I see the Project led with an attack on Judith Collins and tweet last night. Is that really the biggest issue in the news at the moment?
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August 9, 2018 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
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  Philview, makes a fresh change, eh?
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:40am
- oldgolfer
  
  I stumbled upon The Project one night.
  For sanity’s sake, my stay was brief.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:54am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes the only bit of the Project I’ve seen live has been the last 30s when the show has gone on too long and I’m waiting to see the show on next. ? It really is that bad.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:29am
  - Lance
    
    Watching the project is a good cure for constipation but side effects include brain damage.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:50am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s shit .
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:22am
    - MickMac
      
      The project isn’t shit at all…
      The whole concept is good.
      
      The problem is the producers and presenters are all of a lefty persuasion and just carry on the sliming in a “funny” way.
      
      Change the faces and it changes….
      
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      August 10, 2018 5:43am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Who was the crimson haired scrubber whose only contribution was to say that Collins scared her and fire a hypocritical insult about Collins’ appearance?
  No mirror in the green room?
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:29am
starboard

WTF is happening to my country ?
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August 9, 2018 9:39am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Ctrl left at almost full noise
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:06am
  - noskire
    
    Ctrl left – that is brilliant Paulus.
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:57am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Thanks, I cribbed it from a WO commentator, you know where the majority of fat dick sycophants comment (I was banned forever for writing something contrary to the grand poohbars ‘I hate National and my word is the light’ scribblings)
      
      I want it to catch on as it is a great foil to the Alt right slur
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:09pm
- Komata
  
  starboard
  
  Effectively, the lunatics (aka the CoL) have taken over the asylum (country) and the ‘Head nurse’ (to continue the analogy) has been promoted to a position so far above her level of competence that she hasn’t a clue about what to do EXCEPT THAT SHE DOESN’T KNOW THAT!!
  
  By living where you are, you’ve escaped the full effects; be very thank ful.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:56pm
Hugh Pavletich

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HONG KONG: Homeowners beware: Citibank first to raise mortgage rate in Hong Kong | South China Morning Post

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/australias-credit-impulse-dies/#comment-3162390

HONG KONG: Homeowners beware: Citibank first to raise mortgage rate in Hong Kong | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finance/article/2158614/homeowners-beware-citibank-first-raise-mortgage-rate-hong

The move could encourage other lenders to follow suit, bringing an end to 12 years of cheap home financing in the city, observers say … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 9, 2018 9:39am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  but but but ‘The New Zealand dollar fell by half a US cent after the Reserve Bank kept its official cash rate (OCR) steady at 1.75 per cent, where the bank expects it to remain until 2020.this morning that the rate will stay the same until at least 2020!’
  
  Be interesting to see how he manages that if you are correct Hugh.
  
  uhoh, I think i may have spotted the flaw in my argument . . . .
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:13am
  - KevOB
    
    I very much doubt that the OCR will be at 1.75% in 2020. Global tightening is becoming more evident. It’s gotten to Aus.
    
    The RBNZ may be being careful as the COL have virtually demanded they toe their line or be taken over.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:26am
    - Simon
      
      Interest rates will head north, espically in mickey mouse countries run by socialists shit heads.
      
      Capital flight. Hope the Labo Mongs have their shit sorted.
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:35am
    - Monique Watson
      
      It’s going to be 2.5 in 2020
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:13pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right KevOB the new Governor of the RBNZ has been put there and gets his riding instructions set out to suit the narrative. Sorry to say he is not the sort to inspire any confidence outside the beltway at all. But only a fool like sweet cheeks would believe padding out benefits would stimulate the economy as opposed to more disposable from tax cuts. Time for another rush of “official” baby shots and puff pieces while whinging at the opposition for talking down the economy. As the band plays on.
      
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      August 10, 2018 5:47am
  - Piniwi
    
    Wow PG it looks like more than half a cent and more like a whole cent. Closed at US$0.6615 making it the sharpest drop in more than 5 years. Imagine the impact to expect at the pumps and how fast the wonderful Families package will be absorbed by rapidly rising prices. But it’s all good because sweet cheeks told us they are building the new high wage high productivity country. Anybody who thinks NZ is second from the bottom of OECD confidence ratings is just reading them upside down. This as getting beyond a joke now but there is worse to come.
    
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    August 10, 2018 5:32am
- Simon
  
  “The American lender has increased the interest rate on its home loans by 10 basis points, equivalent to an extra HK$50 a month for every HK$1 million of mortgage. ”
  
  Umm so what
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:33am
Fletch

Wonder why there are so many more cars on the road in Auckland of recent in the morning? It turns out that Auckland Transport has nixed school buses, saying that children can take the regular public transport to school. Parents have objected and are now driving their children to school themselves, adding hundreds more cars on the road during the morning commute.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12103469&ref=twitter
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August 9, 2018 9:46am
- Viking2
  
  Tauranga the same.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:52am
- hullkiwi
  
  The truth reads like a conspiracy theory, but at its base level, it is the politics of jealously plus implementation of the Transport Blog’s network. It is the work of AT’s former Network Development Manager (with staff colleagues) and a Canadian academic/consultant named Jarred Walker.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:36pm
Philview

Just reading on Stuff about outlawing conversion therapy. The story was about a person who described themselves as a “pansexual”. This is a new term for me. It made me think that if a person is sexually attracted to say trees would we say that is their natural inclination or suggest a bit of therapy is in order. I only raise this as we seem to be getting into murky waters with the issue of this ban.
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August 9, 2018 9:47am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Can you be potsexual as well?
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:02am
- VicParking
  
  The COL are econsexual. (They f*K the economy). A bit of voter conversion theraphy is needed.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:59am
Stars And Stripes

Green co-leader Marama Davidson says New Zealand must reclaim the C-word
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/green-co-leader-marama-davidson-says-new-zealand-must-reclaim-the-c-word.html
“”That word is a powerful word for women and shouldn’t be used as abuse,” Ms Davidson says.
I think it’s a word that we have to disarm and reclaim,” Ms Davidson says”.

Just when you think Marama Davidson could not get any more strange she goes off on another crusade which outdoes all the others.
Have to say I don’t get the issue at all on this one as she seems to be suggesting that the C word is somehow used to put down women when from my own experience and personal use the application of this word is most commonly used in relation to a male with the preferred term for a female being a f….n bitch.
Good example I suppose of what working at the Human Rights Commission for 9 years does to your thinking.
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August 9, 2018 9:51am
- Philview
  
  I read her comment and thought it very strange. It is a horrible word and I don’t know any females who would reference their anatomy with that word.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:58am
  - secondcumming
    
    My missus has no problem using it to reference her husband.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:02am
    - geoff3012
      
      Mine as well
      
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      August 9, 2018 11:17am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    It’s a traditional anglo-saxon word for a woman’s genitalia. You’ve been hanging out with the wrong kind of females, obviously.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:09am
    - pdm
      
      Milt surely you cannot be right if Davidson wants to reclaim it for Maori. (sarc)
      
      Shame the Israelis did not keep her when they had her a year or two ago.
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:14am
      - Garbageman
        
        As you mention the flotilla of peaceniks i ventured into the dark side commonly known as TDB yesterday a fun article there with Mike Treen having a snivel that the MSM are ignoring his brutal “kidnapping” at the hands of the Israelis, seems our media are not interested in this bs political stunt how sad
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:18pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Sorry the article is called An open letter to Winston Peters for those interested
        
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        August 9, 2018 1:34pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        It is a pity that the Israelis did not keep Treen when they had him in their hands.
        and to Garbageman, apologies I pressed the report button by mistake.
        
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        August 9, 2018 1:38pm
    - kowtow
      
      Anglo Saxon ?
      
      Great , that makes sense. Short , one syllable and to the point.
      
      I love it , it’s so expressive.
      
      What a cunt of a thing for her to say.
      
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      August 9, 2018 11:27am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        My younger brother in law used to say, “Don’t say fuck – it’s a cunt of a word.” This when he went to Te Puke High School.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:34pm
- Swifty
  
  We’re paying her for this?
  
  It’s not even ‘her’ word. It has been used for hundreds of years in Western-Europe.
  
  Is she attempting to culturally appropriate it?
  
  Its a word belonging to my people and you can’t have it. Fuck off and don’t try to trample on my mana, Marama. Cultural thief.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:05am
  - KevOB
    
    Problem: they already have a word “mea”, litteraly “thing” a real generic place holder. Maori-ising the c word is difficult as Maori has no “c”.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      there’s the confusing nono….
      which could mean anus or vagina.
      s’pose that explains John Tamihere’s use of “front bums” to describe NZ’s leading ladies
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2005/04/front_bums.html
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:57am
- Longknives
  
  Davidson is backtracking because she unleashed a torrent of F & C words at her protest the other day.
  A few people there with their children left in disgust…
  
  *Any update on the investigation into the threats against her? Is there any way we can OIA this?
  (Because trust me- If a Member of Parliament receives threats there is an investigation all right!)
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Can the NZ police be OIA’ed to ask if there is an investigation?
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:16am
    - noskire
      
      I’m fairly sure that when Davidson’s claims first came to light an article on Stuff quoted a Police spokesperson as saying no complaint had been laid.
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:02pm
      - Longknives
        
        That doesn’t make sense.
        Any threats against MPs are treated full noise by Police (I know Cops who have had to sit outside MPs houses all night just so they can sleep tight)
        Also- Police will investigate anything that is deemed ‘In the Public Interest’ as a matter of course- They don’t need a complaint.
        
        I suspect she was contacted by them and rather sheepishly admitted that it was either a lie or an exaggeration…
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s just jumping on to a bandwagon of the moment… tho’ she is a bit late to the party.
  https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2011/02/sexual-power-word-cunt-hint
  
  “Reclaiming” words is such a timely game…
  Seems similar to “contextualising” words.
  
  All spin, spin, spin, spin …
  The only C word they really want to reclaim is
  Control
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:16am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I’d say she missed the band wagon completely and ended up face down in the shit.
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Gropecunt Lane:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gropecunt_Lane
  
  To be found on the left just past Tickle Cock Bridge:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tickle_Cock_Bridge
  
  🙂
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:16am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    There was a long no- exit lane beside a stream in Te Puke where all the boys would take their girls for a canoodle, particularly on Friday night after the movies. It was known as “Tickle belly alley”. 🙂
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:38pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    My Dear Departed Dad swears that in the 1930’s there was a firm of butchers in the Manawatu by the name of Hitchcock and Scratchett.
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:01pm
- Simon
  
  “Green co-leader Marama Davidson says New Zealand must reclaim the C-word”
  
  Gee all the big issues.
  
  National are in oppostion but they have the mongs boxed in cages.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  Marama Davidson. Classless and pointless, and so is her topic of discussion.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:46am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Marama – Life support system for a Cunt.
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:11am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I’m wondering how much more of this rubbish from Ms Davidson – proclaimed in her capacity as co leader presumably- that the rank and file Green Party membership is prepared to put up with.
    There are a lot of traditional greenies with integrity and detailed knowledge and experience about their conservation passions.
    Their co-leader has only a passion for smutty activism and Marxist intimidation.
    Is this really Green Party business?
    I would not like to think that the older members and supporters are too intimidated to speak out against the Green Party leadership’s direction – but that’s the way it is looking.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:18pm
    - Paulus
      
      The Green Party members who voted for her appointment will put up with anything to stay in power – so don’t fret.
      
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      August 9, 2018 2:58pm
    - MickMac
      
      The Green supporters are Watermelons, they’ll do anything including break democracy to stay in power.
      
      They are redder than Labour inside…
      
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      August 10, 2018 5:48am
- Chris R
  
  C**t is the maori word for anyone with pale skin who pays their bills!
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:02am
- Batman
  
  Timing is everything.
  
  She dropped it a few times at the protest on Friday night, so had to defend it somehow.
  
  Starting a campaign to reclaim it is also a convenient way to distract for them having to chug dead rats as they vote for the disgraceful electoral integrity bill
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:59am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yep, Batman- that thought has occurred to those in our household also.
    Not sure that the tactic of trying to deflect disgust at one situation by promoting another will work this time though.
    The Green Party has lost its way and has become an embarrassment.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:27pm
- Nermal
  
  What world does Marama live in if she thinks the C-word is a term of endearment. Oh, silly me, it must have a different meaning in Te Reo
  
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  August 9, 2018 4:46pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
“Death of a Nation “directed by Dinesh D’Souza and endorsed by the US President gets panned by the critics here,

D’Souza quotes Hitler (played by Pavel Kríz) in one scene as saying, “if you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” It’s a concept D’Souza has taken to heart.

August 3, 2018 | Rating: D- | Full Review…

Adam Graham
Detroit News

No one expects, of course, that D’Souza would make a thoughtful, balanced or historically accurate documentary. But is it unreasonable to hope that he make one that doesn’t bore the pants off us?
July 31, 2018 | Full Review…

Frank Scheck
Hollywood Reporter

In “Death of a Nation,” Dinesh D’Souza is no longer preaching to the choir; he’s preaching to the mentally unsound.
July 31, 2018 | Full Review…

Owen Gleiberman
Variety

D’Souza fans and Trump apologists will flock to this, misguided moths to a misleading flame. In that way, it’s a perfect representation of the current climate. In every other way, it’s a mess.
July 30, 2018 | Rating: 1/5 | Full Review…

Bill Goodykoontz
Arizona Republic
Top Critic

D’Souza fails, as ever, to make an argument that would resonate outside the QAnon echo chamber.
July 31, 2018 | Rating: F | Full Review…

Vadim Rizov
AV Club

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/death_of_a_nation/
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- Simon
  
  Soyboy
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:25am
- Fletch
  
  I haven’t seen it, but it looks interesting. A valid point that D’Souza makes is that Trump can (loosely) be compared to Lincoln for the fact that as soon as he was elected, Democrats refused to accept the results or the democratically elected president and went off on a civil war. We’re not in an actual physical war at the moment, but there is a war being waged by the media and politicians on the Left to get rid of Trump any way they can using trumped-up charges (I did that on purpose).
  
  The mask of the progressive left is well and truly off. They as least used to be subtle about it – but no more.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch,
    “A valid point that D’Souza makes is that Trump can (loosely) be compared to Lincoln ”
    
    ???
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:24am
    - rangitoto
      
      Correct. It has been noted that the Democrats were almost as angry about Trump being elected as they were at Lincoln when he freed the Democrat’s slaves.
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:42pm
- Harkman
  
  You’re a racist, you hate him because is brown. Racist.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman, but, but Donnie is Orange.
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:25am
    - Harkman
      
      And you hate him, again you just prove over and over again that you hold racist far-left prejudices.
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:44pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        It’s sexual jealousy.
        Donnie may be orange, but he’s had plenty.
        For SB there’s only the goat and Mrs Palmer.
        
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        August 9, 2018 9:00pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Rotten tomatoes: 90% of audience liked it, 0% of critics.
  
  Given mainstream media’s biases and clangers such as critics rating the woeful The Last Jedi at 90% and audiences 46%, think I would ignore media and see the film.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:53am
- backster
  
  I suppose it is a best seller.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:54am
- Nermal
  
  Death of a Nation?
  Thanks for the recommendation, I must watch it. Streisand Effect, you know
  
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  August 9, 2018 4:51pm
oldpark

A new movie doing the rounds in America. It is called “Death of a Nation”. Think that movei name would suit NZ.
John Key and Bill English made sure NZ would not suffer from the GFC and Two Earthquakes. They made NZs well being and their economy the envy of the World. NZ a nation to be proud of.
Sadly since 2017 election and the decision of” here is me and who is like me ” Peters to select a bunch of no hopers including his own ilk to so call Govern NZ.
Since that day NZ a nation to once be proud of is very quickly being turned into the” Death of a Nation”.
Not even counting Peters selected PMs decision to dump oil and gas exploration a short time ago .

With thanks to Peters decision to selected the present regime our business confidence is in free fall.
Also numerous strikes aided and abetted by the woman called Ardern.
Not to worry for Peters and his gang of ne’er do wells. Watching our so called democratic debating chamber in the last few days was worse that mud wrestling.
Everything was about Peters. The so called Waka Legislation was being debated by 120 MPs a bloody farce.
The other one was regarding Peters sueing his Parliamentary colleagues,or in fact NZs taxpayers for almost Two Million Dollars.
To think when Peters cracks the whip all in NZ Parliament lick his Dictatorial boots.Seems most of them are more worried about upsetting that ratbag .Than the “Death of a Nation”,potentially NZ.
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August 9, 2018 9:55am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Similar scenario. A nutjob shot Kennedy and LBJ became the US President; here the nutjob shot Bill English and selected the Ctrl Left megalomaniacs.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:20am
- Harkman
  
  I love it how Dinesh rightly points out that fascism is a left-wing movement and essentially the same as Marxism (it is Fabian Socialism). And the lefty media, so used to calling their enemies “far right fascists” simply has a confused meltdown when confronted by these basic facts.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    “I love it how Dinesh rightly points out that fascism is a left-wing movement and essentially the same as Marxism (it is Fabian Socialism)..”
    
    A mentally unsound judgement if there ever was one.
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:27am
    - starboard
      
      “Fap Fap Fap Fap Fap Fuckwitshariaboy Fap Fap Fap”
      
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      August 9, 2018 3:29pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Mentally unsound —BWAAHAHAAHHAAA…..
      
      Pot.kettle.black…..
      
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      August 9, 2018 5:38pm
secondcumming

*FARRRRK….Graphic Content may offend*.

How a spoiled 26yo *Transgender* child of Australian Trade Union Royalty became a triple-attempted Axe Murderer!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12103086

The real warning here of course, is that it shows you just can’t be too careful.

Imagine waking up next to this……then finding out that both it’s parents are *Trade Unionists* 🙁
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August 9, 2018 9:55am
- stephieboy
  
  Inside the lives of the Menendez brothers, 27 years after lurid crime
  
  “It’s been 20 years since the Menendez brothers were sentenced to life in prison for the 1989 murders of their parents, but the case of the two siblings from a wealthy Beverly Hills family continues to fascinate to this day…”
  
  https://www.today.com/news/inside-lives-menendez-brothers-27-years-after-lurid-crime-t102488
  
  “.the case of the two siblings from a wealthy Beverly Hills family continues to fascinate to this day..”
  
  Sigh!
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:33am
  - secondcumming
    
    @ stephieboy
    Beats me how you even manage to get your socks on in the morning….
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj5s2reXoAA-IlQ.jpg
    
    Sigh!
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:47am
  - Nermal
    
    ?????
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:09pm
- dime
  
  oh shit that was in aussie?
  
  i saw the vid on a facebook group.
  
  yikes.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:06pm
Swifty

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August 9, 2018 9:57am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:36am
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    August 9, 2018 12:06pm
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      August 9, 2018 12:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        noskire , I suppose you blushed in deep guilt-ridden shame.
        
        Why does the female form disgust you so much?
        
        Let us guess…”
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:16pm
      - noskire
        
        stephie, I didn’t blush, I don’t have guilt-ridden shame and the female form does not disgust me at all.
        What does disgust me, and in fact disturbs me, is lurid men who frequent malls to lust over very young girls, and then have the audacity to post about their perversion.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:23pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Needs more goat or more burka
        
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        August 9, 2018 1:18pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        You win Noskire
        
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        August 9, 2018 9:02pm
    - Harkman
      
      This is actually quite good. But the other one has me stumped.
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:46pm
      - noskire
        
        Which one Harkman?
        
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        August 9, 2018 1:06pm
      - starboard
        
        First one stumped me
        
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        August 9, 2018 3:32pm
      - noskire
        
        Supposedly hand in face. It’s not flash to be fair.
        
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        August 9, 2018 3:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      So this is what’s made the duty Stephie hyperactive today.
      
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      August 9, 2018 3:42pm
artemisia

Wellington buses again. Or still,

Regional council says it got things ‘terribly wrong’ with Wellington’s new bus network

Stuff comments closed after 69 posts. The previous article closed after 367 posts. What’s that about? Someone didn’t like the comments, almost every one grumpy?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106097970/regional-council-says-it-got-things-terribly-wrong-with-wellingtons-new-bus-network
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August 9, 2018 9:57am
- Batman
  
  Yeah I noticed that too.
  
  I think there are two possible scenarios.
  
  A) Stuff moderators don’t want lots of comments saying the regional council stacked with lefties is shit. Having them voted out next year would be disastrous for the light rail lefty dream.
  
  B) they don’t monitor comments past 6pm or so, so any story posted in the evening has the comments shut off fairly quickly as that is easier than the risk of death threats etc going up overnight when they aren’t monitoring them.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:22pm
Happychappy

So Labour have done a backflip on youth wages because the Winston First Party needs to get above 5% in the polls and have told Labour they won’t be supporting it. Now over the last couple of months it has become quite obvious that Winston is the vanquilitrist and is pulling the strings of the puppet Jacinda Ardern making it hard to get policy passed that Labour promised before the Election. National dodged a bullet by Winston choosing Labour and Jacinda is going to sell NZ down the track to achieve her lust for fame and power.
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August 9, 2018 10:03am
Longknives

I see following a truckload of negative comments Stuff ‘Edited’ Carmen Parahi’s vile attack on Don Brash this morning (The bit about old White people needing to die has been changed)

She repeatedly calls Don Brash ‘Dangerous’.
I have met Dr Brash- I don’t think I have met a less ‘Dangerous’ man in my life!!
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August 9, 2018 10:03am
- ldypen
  
  He is dangerous as he has a brain and uses it, to people like Carmen Parahi Don’s logic and intelligence is all too much to handle, thus he is “Dangerous”
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:40am
- waikatogirl
  
  Gentleman Don ‘Dangerous’. Give me a break!
  Desperation is setting in on the left. They are losing their heads over this free speech issue as there is NO valid argument.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:58am
- Harkman
  
  Did you guys see the Maori guy, Karl Pearce, who was opposed to Don Brash speaking at Massey? High on dope, he claimed that “I not going be one of Don Brash’s homogeneous sausages filled with chunks of colonial pride”. WTF?
  
  https://youtu.be/NrUzFpqriAc
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    He has been listening to Spoonley too much.
    
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    August 9, 2018 2:08pm
    - Jack5
      
      Spoonley fed.
      
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      August 9, 2018 8:56pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Now it’s BDS, Brash Derangement Syndrome.
  When will these leftie retarded shitheads give it a rest?
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:40am
- dime
  
  shes not young and she dyes her hair to look more white.
  
  she thinking off offing herself?
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:07pm
- Batman
  
  Starting with the fact that she’s got his Massey speaking slot and the Auckland University one confused, I’m inclined to take a pass on her credibility.
  
  If she can’t figure out the sequence of events, she can’t expect to be taken seriously.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:29pm
noskire

I wouldn’t label him an extremist either. Parahi’s column is getting slaughtered in the comments.
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August 9, 2018 10:13am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Parahi’s column has even been slagged off by Martyn “Bomber” Bradbury. I have now clicked “like” on three of Bomber’s tweets in the last 48 hours, and I am worried the world is about to spin off its axis!
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:06pm
DigNap15

Yes I am am always amazed at the comments on Stuff.
Although it is obsiously a left wing rag, most of the comments and ticks are right wing orientated.
There is hope yet.
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August 9, 2018 10:17am
- noskire
  
  There has been a noticeable shift in the last few months. I’m picking “middle-New Zealand” is starting to get very tired, maybe even angry, at the ctrl-left narrative.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:10pm
DigNap15

Maori Language Part 2
Here is todays Maori word for those wishing to learn Maori.
Its Advocate, Advocate.
Oh dear its not in my printed Maori dictionary.
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August 9, 2018 10:19am
dime

“costed by economists”

“panel of experts”

“I will never lie”
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August 9, 2018 10:26am
- Poppa
  
  Exactly Dime
  
  Add to list
  Absolutely
  Direction of travel
  Transitioning
  Piece of work we are doing
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:30am
  - starboard
    
    Dont forget transparency
    
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    August 9, 2018 4:06pm
    - artemisia
      
      And conversations.
      
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      August 9, 2018 4:24pm
Manolo

The barbarians are hammering fellow Muslim Trudeau:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/saudi-arabia-is-selling-off-its-canadian-assets-as-row-intensifies-re.html

Saudi Arabia’s diplomatic spat with Canada looks set to escalate following a report that the Middle Eastern country has instructed its brokers to sell Canadian assets.

Anger between the two countries erupted last week when Canadian officials urged Riyadh to “immediately release” women’s rights activists Samar Badawi and Nassima al-Sadah.
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August 9, 2018 10:27am
- Simon
  
  Trudeau what a fuck up. Lets hear from the Prog Princess.
  
  Shouldnt she support Trudeau? Lets hear from Cindy
  
  She is just a mong in a cage
  
  Trump will bail the Canadians out.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  
  “..immediately release” women’s rights activists Samar Badawi and Nassima al-Sadah.”
  
  This makes your stomach churn as it possibly did with the US President’s and First Lady’s state visit to the Saudi Kingdom?
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:38am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Well Trudeau should give himself a good mansplaining. Shouldn’t that be “person’s rights” activist?
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:26pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Could we help out by sending replacements?
  I’m sure Valerie Morse and Marama Davidson feel strongly about Saudi Arabian issues.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:12pm
- MickMac
  
  Give Trudeau credit for saying what needed to be said in the first place.
  
  Where is the Donald and Theresa and Merky Merkel and the Frog!!!!!
  Where is Jacinda and Malcolm too…..
  
  Free world – WTF!
  
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  August 10, 2018 5:55am
RF

The wheels are starting to fall off this sorry state of affairs Labour Govt.

You can lay the blame at the feet of Ardern who has the gift of the gab but lacks substance.

In years to come we will look back to this one term Govt and ask who was their strange leader that could not stop talking in riddles.
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August 9, 2018 10:27am
- Simon
  
  National have the CoL bottled up in cages.
  
  Good work National or whoever came up with BRR
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:31am
  - DigNap15
    
    Please tell me what BRR is?
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:41am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Budget Responsibility Rules
      
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      August 9, 2018 10:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Absolutely
  https://yournz.org/2018/08/09/ardern-abosutely-overdone/
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:35am
  - noskire
    
    National should start all their questions with “Does the Prime Minister/Minister absolutely agree…”
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:59am
    - Nermal
      
      Yeah, Simon has been using that to great effect….
      
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      August 9, 2018 5:16pm
  - Longknives
    
    Dear God.
    This dreadful Ardern woman has a very poor vocabulary doesn’t she?
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:04am
    - noskire
      
      She has mastered about 26 words:
      A – Absolutely
      B – Believe
      C – Comrades
      
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      August 9, 2018 11:18am
      - Paulus
        
        Wonder how many times she will use “Comrades” when she addresses the UN shortly.
        She will then agree to take thousands more so called Refugees as long as they agree to vote Labour – she will need their votes.
        
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        August 9, 2018 3:03pm
- marcw
  
  Years to come? How about now.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:19pm
Simon

“Footage of a bicycle dumping ground in China has revealed how bad its waste problem has become and the challenges the country faces in dealing with it.”

Diversity

“Less than five years ago, scientists in West Africa warned that eating monkeys could lead to the rise of deadly viruses that will be hard to cure. In fact, they warned that the continued consumption of monkey meat could cause the next human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).”

Diversity

It is estimated that at least 55% of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins and the tradition is also common among some other South Asian communities and in some Middle Eastern countries.
Communities that practice cousin marriage experience higher levels of some very rare but very serious illnesses – illnesses known as recessive genetic disorders.

Diversity
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August 9, 2018 10:29am
- Longknives
  
  “It is estimated that at least 55% of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins ”
  
  Elephant in the room for New Zealand is that a certain culture here commonly inbreeds as well…(Which might help explain their appalling Crime and Mental Health Stats)
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:45am
  - Manolo
    
    The word “might” seems superfluous. 😀
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Cousin marriage also depresses average IQ by 3pts. Something Pakistanis at ~84 are not flush with in the first place.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ a colonial power in the Antarctic.

“It is often not known,” according to New Zealand’s Defense Minister Ron Mark, that its military’s “biggest deployment is to Antarctica, consisting of up to 220 personnel and different airlift platforms.”

New Zealand sets sights on Antarctica as concern grows over China’s expanding influence

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435233-new-zealand-antarctica-china/
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August 9, 2018 10:31am
- Jack5
  
  Maggy, we have a patrol ship for that region without an ice-strengthened hull.
  
  When it thinks it has found an infringing fishing vessel that’s in the ice, it has to request that ship to come out to be checked.
  
  Ron Mark’s news patrol planes would know where the fishing fleets were, but wouldn’t be able to check their catches.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:25pm
dime

for those who missed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUR9U6Srj7g

Cathy Gower (or Paddy Newman) interviewing the two Canadians.

What a fucking lightweight
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August 9, 2018 10:33am
- Swifty
  
  What a rogering Paddy took. Totally embarrassing.
  
  He’ll be sore for weeks!
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:38am
  - Harkman
    
    So asks about IQ and Molyneux says East Asians have the highest and Paddy stops him, calling him disrespectful. Lol. And they claim these two are white supremacists, laughable.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:14pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And poor deprived Mongolians with less than 8years average education, poor access to healthcare, living in Yurts and surviving on sheep entrails for much of the year are on average smarter than NZers.
      
      But deprived upbringing… poor education… low income family… poor diet….
      
      Its genetics. Build a bridge and get over it.
      
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      August 9, 2018 1:14pm
- Longknives
  
  Paddy got fucking thumped!
  He came in with nothing other than the ‘Waah you are Nazis and New Zealander’s don’t like you’-
  and got destroyed!
  You need to do some research and prepare a little better Mr Gower..
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:42am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Gower was very clearly out of his depth.
  If he had shown enough respect to research his subject rather than relying on opinion from other media, he would have had some understanding of Southern’s & Molyneux’s subject area and could have asked pertinent questions.
  He even said afterward he didn’t understand a word they’d said. A good interviewer would have known what they’d say before they said it in the interview. [It’s not like their material isn’t all over the interwebby-thing, Paddy!]
  Shows what lazy ‘journalism’ we have to endure in NZ.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:03am
  - ross411
    
    How many years has he been putting this much professionalism into his work? When you’ve decided the facts before you interview, and you are a political editor or some such title, it doesn’t look good for you.
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:49am
- noskire
  
  Watched this for the second time – I think Paddy was pissed.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:34pm
- graham
  
  BWA HA HA!
  
  Man I wish I could’ve seen Gower’s face at some of the classic points.
  
  Gower: NZ is a diverse country; we’re known as a melting pot. Many people here are very proud of this. You’re on the record as saying diversity is a weakness.
  Molyneux: Do you not follow international politics at all?
  
  Southern (to Gower): I know you guys don’t understand what humour is anymore in the media …
  
  Molyneux (to Gower, after he accuses him wrongly of ranting): So if it’s an answer you don’t like it’s a “rant”.
  
  Gower: Your own promoter has said that he feels that powerful forces have got to the owners of tonight’s venue; do you guys agree with that? What do you thinks happened?
  Southern: I don’t recall having a promoter …
  
  And whenever it got too hard for Gower, he fell back to, “Ok, if you don’t want to answer that question …”
  
  As the interview goes on, there are several times when you see that Southern and Molyneux are trying very hard not laugh at Gower.
  
  Comedy gold!
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:35pm
  - Nermal
    
    I wonder if Stefan Molyneux is going to check his data on NZ IQ after his experience with Paddy
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Aid to the Pacific

Ozzies, by far, the biggest donors.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/aid-to-pacific-island-nations/10082702
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August 9, 2018 10:42am
- Jack5
  
  What can be done to make the Pacific Islands self-sustaining economies?
  
  At present, if it weren’t for the migration routes to NZ, and via the back door here, to Australia, and if it weren’t for the continuous foreign aid, the islands would be living demonstrations of Malthusian population effect.
  
  Some ideas? Obviously tourism, but also tropical retirement villages and pre-retirement settlements for foreigners, medical tourism, some Westernised alcohol type to parallel the trade help of rum in the Caribbean …
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:50am
  - GoVege
    
    Hard to get tourists if they are getting robbed, raped and nearly murdered by dangerous predators the country doesn’t keep securely locked up.
    Can women even access contraception in these chauvinist countries?
    
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    August 9, 2018 8:15pm
    - realityczech
      
      Women raised those robbers and rapists in those societies. They are to blame. You hallucinate that the culture is only defined by men. The fact is the culture largely rests with the woman. No amount of your man hating is going to help one iota until you understand that.
      
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      August 9, 2018 8:23pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Buddy, the ‘tude is out there today.
        Are you ok?
        
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        August 9, 2018 9:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        Not necessarily RC.
        It’s true some serial killers had brutal mothers.
        But overall males become violent jerks by watching their mums getting beaten up repeatedly.
        
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        August 9, 2018 10:42pm
Longknives

About once a week I pop over to The Standard for a browse.
Today I read ‘South Africa, Zimbabwe, and New Zealand’- A piece which disgustingly commends the confiscation of Farmer’s lands in South Africa (“Woo Hoo”).
The piece is, as usual, very poorly written- But it seems to be suggesting that Farmers may yet be confiscated of their lands here in New Zealand!
Anybody here still in doubt about Labour’s further lurch Left under’ Comrade’ Ardern??
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- realityczech
  
  Longknives, No most of them have no idea how far left and how nasty this regime is. They still just think Ardern and Co. are stupid and idealistic. The truth is a lot darker I’m afraid.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  Well that’s the communist agenda: nationalise the land and control the means of production, redistribute income and resources – usually only to the political elite though.
  If this lot get back into power at the next election, I would not be at all surprised if their regime moves in this direction.
  We are already seeing significant erosion of privately owned property rights which is the first step to land confiscation. What’s yours is mine.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, watch this space…
    
    especially if you have stands of native vegetation on your farm.
    https://beeflambnz.com/sites/default/files/FINAL%20Norton%20Vegetation%20occurence%20sheep%20beef%20farms.pdf
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:44am
    - KevOB
      
      From the Executive Summary:
      
      7. Exclusion of grazing animals (farmed and fe
      ral) is the single most effective thing farmers
      can do to sustain and enhance the remnants of native woody vegetation on their
      properties.
      
      Meatasauruses be aware.
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Exclusion of grazing animals”
        
        Sure while clear felling forests and pouring millions of liters of fungicide, insecticide, herbicide etc on the land to grow crops is just fine.
        
        Monoculture of crops creates an environmental waste land far worse than grazing. It is the single biggest reason forests are now cleared.
        
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        August 9, 2018 3:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    Don’t forget that Notional did very little in terms of protecting private property rights when they were in power, in fact they were enthusiastic attackers themselves.
    
    It’s all about power , blue team , red team matters not.
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:53am
- noskire
  
  It has already happened in New Venezealand with the “redistribution” of commercial fishing quota, aka customary fishing rights.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    noskire
    And “Working for Families”.
    
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    August 9, 2018 3:06pm
    - noskire
      
      Correct Paulus. It’s welfare for business, just as Absolutely Adern has promoted today.
      
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      August 9, 2018 3:46pm
- gorse
  
  If that happens here there will be civil war, of that I am sure.
  
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  August 9, 2018 3:04pm
- Nermal
  
  Seeing how intensively Maori land is farmed here, it wouldn’t be long before our supermarket shelves would be empty
  
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  August 9, 2018 5:22pm
dime

“Jacinda Ardern set to make significant employment announcement from Wellington”

lemme guess

“I fundamentally believe that every new zealander should be able to get a job. I push back when people say some don’t want a job. I absolutely believe everyone on a benefit would rather be working”

“baybee”
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August 9, 2018 11:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Absolutely
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:05am
- Prince
  
  You missed the part where a committee is set up to investigate something, and representatives from those employers lacking confidence in the government will be involved (fees and expenses paid).
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:13am
- Jack5
  
  Ardern shows her PR background: “significant announcement to be made.”
  
  Alerts friends in State media and allies in other media to keep space, keep time, pschologically prepare for the Oracle to pronounce.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:29am
  - KevOB
    
    Probably given embargoed briefing notes too so they can report fulsomely at the requisite time.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:11pm
    - sooty
      
      Will she have the fashion accessary with her at the anouncment?
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:29pm
      - RF
        
        God no..”. Not those bloody worn out boots……
        
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        August 9, 2018 1:08pm
- DigNap15
  
  I fundamentally believe that most ferals on a benefit would rather have a bigger benefit.
  
  But I do hope that Jacinda does make an announcement and starts a real push back and gets everyone off the benefits and into work.
  
  This will increase our tax rates
  Drop our spending and
  Hopefully drop crime and build a bedda stronger society
  
  Did she really say that?
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:55pm
  - KevOB
    
    Something similar has been tried before–employers abandoned it. It is too expensive training those who cannot make the work grade or do not want to turn up regularly. The subsidy for the employer is too light.
    How many beneficiaries can make level 4 NCEA?
    
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    August 9, 2018 7:54pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She is going to make herself or one of her Ministers Unemployed? Fingers crossed.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:09pm
dime

It’s interesting to watch just how happy leftists are with Alex Jones being blacklisted by almost every social media/podcast platform.

They are too thick to realise that if this is allowed, it won’t always be people on the right who are banned.

Modern leftists aren’t liberal, they are authoritarian.
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August 9, 2018 11:04am
- stephieboy
  
  dime, and you a model advocate of liberal and open democratic freedoms.?
  
  Oh sure!
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:56pm
VicParking

Youth crime rates are down. Yippee.
Example shoot a Seal and get referred to youth aid.
With all these “Hop” cards they will soon run out of wet bus tickets
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August 9, 2018 11:10am
Inandout

Melbourne will be bypassed this vacation. Shame, was a lovely city.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/police-car-damaged-rocks-thrown-by-youth-gangs-taylors-hill/10092152
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August 9, 2018 11:13am
- Jack5
  
  That report’s from the ABC. No mention of ethnicity.
  
  This report from the Melbourne newspaper, The Age, is more specific.
  
  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-say-african-australian-youths-in-taylors-hill-there-to-fight-20180809-p4zwdp.html
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:35am
  - Jack5
    
    C’mon, Milky, have a grizzle about my giving an indication that violent gangs in Melbourne are ethnic!
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , rather different take by the Daily Mail,
      
      1 Police have things under control
      
      2 It is based on a spat between rival gangs (who happen to be of African origin)
      
      3 Taylors Hill is 25ks from Melbourne CBD and the city has not descended into chaos and anarchy.
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6041073/Taylors-Hill-African-youths-throw-rocks-police-Melbourne-authorities-say-no-threat-safety.html
      
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      August 9, 2018 11:47am
      - Jack5
        
        You realise, Stephie, that the Daily Mail is in London while The Age is Melbourne’s morning daily.
        
        Its competitor, the Murdoch-owned Sun Herald, says on its front page:
        
        “A large group of out-of-control African youths hurled rocks and damaged a police car during a rampage in Melbourne’s north-west last night.”
        
        The full report inside says there were more than a hundred of the rampagers, and that terrified residents were forced to shelter in their homes.
        
        Many of the youths were still in their school uniforms.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , the Daily Mail’s report is 3 hours old. As Tabloids go I tend to believe them than the salacious Sun Herald
        
        You might wish to now analyse the rival gang’s religious affiliations and draw certain predictable conclusions.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie, your 12.12 post reveals you as a semi-literate idiot, as well as an ignorant one.
        
        At home in Stephiestan, do you get your news about the ~~colony~~ country from the Daily Mail of London?
        
        Or do just go to that newspaper just to perve at the boobs and Kardashian bums on the front page?
        
        But what you’re really up to, of course is Islamic Propaganda 101: Divert, divert, divert.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:13pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Ctrl Left stephieboy is in denial.
        
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        August 9, 2018 3:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mounted police were on patrol today in the Melbourne suburb where Sudanese youths ran rampage on Wednesday.
        
        https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-send-in-cavalry-as-calm-returns-to-taylors-hill-s-green-streets-20180809-p4zwg6.html
        
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        August 9, 2018 8:52pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Throwing ROCKS!! What happened to their spears?
    
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    August 9, 2018 11:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      secondcumming, rather like these 5 white rock-throwing teens charged with murder?
      
      https://abcnews.go.com/US/teens-deadly-michigan-rock-throwing-case-accept-plea/story?id=56634773
      
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      August 9, 2018 11:59am
      - Jack5
        
        Boy, the rostered-on Stephie today has a hair-trigger keyboard.
        
        What are you on, Stephie, khat?
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:20pm
- OTGO
  
  Similar in San Francisco where I have just come back from this week for the 7th visit. The homeless around The Tenderloin and Jones Street in particular is much worse this last visit. Human faeces and the smell of urine is overpowering. The smoking of crack is open and tolerated by the police. I witnessed the threatening of one man over another with a knife. What a shit hole. Literally.
  Spoke to an art gallery owner in Sausalito who told me that the National GP’s conference was cancelled because the doctors thought SFO was unsafe and this flowed on to her financially because doctors bought a lot of art from her gallery.
  This is the legacy of living in a city run by liberals.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mayor Gaffe of Auckland take notice.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:58pm
  - noskire
    
    Greece is just as bad – I won’t be visiting there again in a hurry.
    
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    August 9, 2018 3:50pm
Monique Watson

Wish I could track down the wanker who defrauded our credit card details and made a transaction at Walmart Arkansas. HSBC put a stop on immediately, but it’s a pain in the proverbial waiting for a new card reissue. Hubby: “Did you buy anything at Walmart Arkansas”? Me: “I think you would have noticed if I’d headed off to Arkansas for a shopping trip. And Walmart? I’d probably have headed to Neiman Marcus.

Copied and pasted off my Facebook page for a laugh.
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August 9, 2018 11:16am
- Inandout
  
  Facebook….Walmart hate speech….you are FB cancelled.
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:52am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Nah it’s a joke. Love mall-walking here. Have to renew my Costco membership too.
    
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    August 9, 2018 10:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another MPI biosecurity balls-up heading for court

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12103912

It might be time to put some folks into management there that Know something about plants, animals and nasties.
Question marks over science, agri creds at MPI’s top table
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12098468
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August 9, 2018 11:56am
- stephieboy
  
  MW . you appear to spend an inordinate amount of time pointing to the shortcomings of our biosecurity, and related environmental protection agencies.
  
  Whats the game plan?
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    “What’s the game plan” …..
    
    The Stephie team got a new phrase book of Western English idomatic phrases, has it?
    
    But a foreign-language phrase book is only so much help, Stephie X, as any traveller can tell you.
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    MW . you appear to spend an inordinate amount of time pointing to the shortcomings of our biosecurity, and related environmental protection agencies.
    
    Maybe it’s because I am a Plant ecologist and have over 40 years insider knowledge of how our ecosystems function.
    
    Could also be because I’ve been employed by a number of Government Departments and have a few insights as to how balls-ups occur.
    
    Could also be because I’ve served on committees and Advisory Boards for some Environmental/conservation bodies and have a concern that meagre public budgets are wisely spent.
    
    Enuf info, stephieboy?
    
    Any more details I can furnish you with about my concerns for NZ’s Productive and sustainable future?
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:59pm
  - Nermal
    
    Thursday-Stephie, read the memo. You don’t need to comment on every single one of Maggie’s posts
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:27pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy burnt and bashed again by Maggy. 🙂
    
    This is nearly as epic as when stupidboy quoted a source composed by Maggy when trying to prove her wrong.
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a result of the previous government (and maybe even the one before that) deciding to smash MAF and other outfilts together into an ‘economic development agency’ to boost primary production.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:03pm
Niz

I was just listening some some Auckland Uni student (I think her name was Beth) talking to Mark on RadioLive, and I was horrified to hear the words coming out of her mouth. She didn’t think the university was the sort of place that Don Brash should be allowed to speak at.
If not at a uni, then where?
When asked if she thought it was only people from the ‘right’ who could be offensive, she literally couldn’t answer the question, and had to umm and aah her way out of it.
IOW, that’s exactly what she thought. FFS.
There was more, and she left me gobsmacked.
I felt like kicking her right in the Marama Davidson.
God help us if this is the sort of person that gets to run our country.
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August 9, 2018 12:09pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Maybe a first year student there courtesy of Ms Ardern’s generosity with taxpayer’s funds?
  A whole new cohort of the beholden.
  Also, impressionable young women absolutely love the Princess. She can do no wrong and most take their cue from her. They believe what she believes. It is a privilege to so do.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:41pm
- Niz
  
  I’m still seething.
  Does the silly bint even realise what he’s going there for?
  He’s going to take part in a debate where the topic is something like “PC culture has gone too far to the point of limiting freedom of speech”, and he’s arguing in the affirmative.
  She’s proving his point for him!
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:42pm
- Jack5
  
  Niz and Marama Davidson have given us a new Kiwi cuss term.
  
  All you Marama Davidsons can just piss off out of here.
  
  Don’t be a silly Marama Davidson.
  
  The effin Marama Davidson wouldn’t …
  
  The bloody old Marama.
  
  The stupid MD.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:52pm
  - Niz
    
    It doesn’t slide off the tongue quite like the real thing (he he), but the meaning is clear.
    
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    August 9, 2018 2:16pm
emmess

Your brain on Cultural Marxism

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/family-friends/from-privileged-upbringing-to-triple-attempted-axe-murderer/news-story/336cfecbe0fee4d61eb0c2531dd0e919
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August 9, 2018 12:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Cultural Marxism = loonies’ favourite snarl words.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:03pm
  - emmess
    
    It wasn’t directed at you, personally.
    I didn’t know that you were an axe murderer. I hope you are not offended.
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:44pm
noskire

Melissa Lee is having another crack at Curran in The House today. Question 12 – get your popcorn ready.
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August 9, 2018 12:16pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Yes, I noticed that. Plus Chris Bishop has questions to both Nash and Martin on the Wally Haumaha clusterf#ck, so that should be more fun. Tracey Martin was absolutely pathetic yesterday.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:10pm
  - GazzaW
    
    …..and obviously joined the Witless Protection Programme overnight along with Jenny Salesa.
    
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    August 9, 2018 3:19pm
  - KevOB
    
    Pathetic today too. Speaks like a 10 year old.
    
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    August 9, 2018 3:51pm
GazzaW

Are you reading me ztev?

How infuriating for you to learn that the COL has made a very prudent decision to invest $13 million into linking the four Central Otago cycle trails given the huge positive economic effect they have had on the local economy with the growth of small businesses, creation of employment and regeneration of dying towns.

How you used to deride the arguments for their existence driven by your hatred of John Key and his part in their creation and now your very own party is aiding and abetting their expansion.

So sorry that you cannot reply.
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August 9, 2018 12:18pm
- Jack5
  
  I hope the tourist cycle trails bring in tourism and help the regions, and if so, well done, John Key.
  
  Can’t say the same for the cycle paths in dear old Christchurch. They’re choking the streets, eroding car-park space and killing business and people numbers in the city heart.
  
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  August 9, 2018 12:28pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I’m all for tourist cycle trails
    And dead against any cycle ways in our cities
    Rip them all up
    And the bus lanes
    
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    August 9, 2018 12:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      DigNap15 , sniffing petrol fumes your main past time?
      
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      August 9, 2018 12:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X, you’re thinking of trying to ride a bike in Stephiestan, or somewhere neighbouring, like Mumbai.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:55pm
      - DigNap15
        
        When I’m stuck in traffic, that’s what happens, to say nothing of the waste of petrol and my time.
        
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        August 9, 2018 12:56pm
  - GazzaW
    
    You are talking a different beast Jack. I an’t abide cycle lanes in cities either.
    
    The Otago Rail Trails (and numerous others around the country) operate in rural areas along disused rail tracks, old logging roads etc and do nothing to impede traffic. The Otago Rail Trail takes about five days to complete and is attracting tourists from around the world. They have contributed to the opening of B&Bs, cafes, cycle repair shops, shuttle bus operations and rejuvenated towns such as Ranfurly.
    
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    August 9, 2018 2:30pm
- gorse
  
  I’m not sorry ztev can’t reply, there are a couple of others that need the biffo too, stephieboy being a leader there. At least some decent discussion is happening without threads getting wrecked with absolute drivel. I dread the day it returns.
  
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  August 9, 2018 3:42pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    6 months from 1/8/18.
    Next time it’s 1 year
    
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    August 9, 2018 4:58pm
Keeping Stock

For those who have criticised Simon Bridges for a lack of response on the whole free speech debate, this is a good watch. Kudos to National for making an issue out of this:

https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/videos/2052585228106969/
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August 9, 2018 1:14pm
- realityczech
  
  I am one of those. That video is okay, but it’s not enough. Part of the problem is he has no public appeal or apparent charisma. That – combined with massive media bias – means he does not get much of a platform. I can’t see him rolling Ardern and that worries me.
  
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  August 9, 2018 1:19pm
  - noskire
    
    Judith Collins taking the reins of ACT could change things quite substantially. Not that I’ve heard any of those rumors…
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:46pm
    - Inandout
      
      National need an MMP partner.
      
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      August 9, 2018 1:51pm
      - noskire
        
        Yes, National can keep the centrist-right vote.
        ACT with a bold politician, tough on crime and a champion for business, and who also holds an electorate seat is what National needs – in fact it’s what the country needs. And before the dingy-baling bill is passed.
        As it stands at the moment, we are quickly sliding into a Marxist utopia.
        
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        August 9, 2018 1:59pm
    - Longknives
      
      Judith taking over ACT?
      Be Still my Heart!
      
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      August 9, 2018 2:02pm
      - starboard
        
        Hobsons Pledge, 1 LAW for All, Murial Newman, Taxpayers Union and that fine New Zealander, John Ansell should all merge and create a party for National to align with.
        The time is right.
        
        http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2018/08/09/unmitigated-propaganda/
        
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        August 9, 2018 5:04pm
  - Philview
    
    Ardern has away about her that is likeable in the sense of she seems nice. However, the Coalition is a Government of chaos. She has no control over any of it. It has been widely reported that her MPs have the arrogance of a 3 term government. National is doing well in the polls, as we have said on here many times it needs a support party based on current polling. Surely there is a plan being worked on, but ideally a well financed business focused environmental party that would put the Green Marxist party out of business.
    
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    August 9, 2018 1:51pm
    - Prince
      
      Given the Labour Maori MP’ have been utterly toothless, and Little and Parker are making such a mess of Treaty settlements and water rights, National should encourage the Maori party to run strongly next election (much to the distaste of many contributors to this blog).
      45% National, 3 % Maori (with seats), 1 Act seat (maybe more if Act could be a little more Green and a little less weird) may see it finish ahead of Labour 40%, Greens 6%, NZF 3% and no seats.
      
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      August 9, 2018 2:21pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Greens and NZF 4.9% each would be even better.
        
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        August 9, 2018 3:47pm
      - starboard
        
        NO to the maori party. Never again.
        
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        August 9, 2018 5:06pm
      - wiseowl
        
        A coalition with the race based party has caused enough damage already.Have you not been following the news lately?
        The country has been divided down the middle by National pandering to race based legislation and special treatment.
        One country ,one people ,one law.
        
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        August 9, 2018 6:21pm
Inandout

‘Strength in Work’, or ‘Strength Through Joy’?
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August 9, 2018 1:44pm
VicParking

Why is there more articles in the online Failing Newspaper by OneRoof than the Hearld Reporters. That combined with the ones from Bite, Grabone and Viva make up 50% of the “Rag”.
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August 9, 2018 2:03pm
- Prince
  
  Translation please.
  
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  August 9, 2018 2:25pm
  - sooty
    
    It’s that bad they have to repeat everything at least twice and run the same shit for a month! No wonder they are failing. Don’t even have enough writers to fill it up.
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:57pm
Poppa

Am I blind & deaf or has Twyford been very quiet of late?

Perhaps all is not rosy in the garden of Twyford. That 100,000 looks one hell of a long way off Phil, best you get busy
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August 9, 2018 2:46pm
- GazzaW
  
  Just about as short of target as is Jonesy with his billion trees. Has he even grown the 100 million seedlings needed for this year’s planting quota and if so why aren’t 70 million of them already in the ground?
  
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  August 9, 2018 3:25pm
- sooty
  
  Whitless protection!
  
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  August 9, 2018 5:58pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

NZD down from 73.3 to 66.7 against USD in 9 months since election, that’s a 9% drop, and effectively a 9% paycut relative to Americans
since election. Time to get money out of NZ?
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August 9, 2018 3:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes it makes my purchases dearer on line.
  But it does compensate for tourists coming in who complain about our high food prices and beer etc
  
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  August 9, 2018 4:51pm
realityczech

Why do lefties hate cats so much? I suspect it is because they are independent and resourceful, while lefties demand everything be totally reliant on them and controlled at all times.

The thought of a free spirit terrifies lefties.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/106127761/am-show-host-duncan-garner-calls-for-end-to-cats-being-kept-as-pets
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August 9, 2018 3:11pm
Manolo

stephieboy is elated. Allahu akbar!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rashida-tlaib-set-become-first-125553268.html

Former Michigan state representative Rashida Tlaib, a progressive Democrat, won her state’s primary in its 13th Congressional District Tuesday, leading her to likely become the first Muslim woman — and the first Palestinian-American — to hold national office.
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August 9, 2018 3:21pm
- realityczech
  
  That’s nothing. Someone made a list years ago of the number of duel Israeli-American’s in power. Given the tribal nature of Jews combined with Zionism, there is little doubt where their loyalties are:
  
  Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
  Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
  Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
  Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
  Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
  National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
  Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
  White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
  Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
  Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
  U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
  Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
  UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
  Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
  Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
  Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
  Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
  Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
  Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
  White House Political Director – Ken Melman
  National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
  Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
  Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
  National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
  President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
  Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
  Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
  White House Speechwriter – David Frum
  White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
  Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
  Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
  Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
  Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
  
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  August 9, 2018 3:41pm
  - Nermal
    
    Gosh, I never realised they were all Israelis
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:37pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yes that is what dual-citizen means. They are attached to a primitive Middle Eastern tribal cult that teaches that all non members are sub human.
      
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      August 9, 2018 6:29pm
kevn

haumaha back in the news today. Must be a definite gone-burger this time. Probably just tip of the iceberg.
Set him up with davidson (greens) and they could have a real foul shouty session.
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August 9, 2018 3:45pm
noskire

Has been a good general debate today. I have to go and build some helo hours up. Later all.
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August 9, 2018 3:57pm
- realityczech
  
  small-talk, the price you pay for pussy.
  
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  August 9, 2018 4:01pm
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    I meant flying hours in a helicopter.
    
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    August 9, 2018 5:56pm
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      LOL – awesome 🙂 ✔
      
      It’s only the coolest thing in the world.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1xKhc77VXk
      
      In Russia helicopter fly you. ☭
      
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      August 9, 2018 5:59pm
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        August 9, 2018 7:45pm
Stars And Stripes

Mothers would get bereavement leave for miscarriages under new bill
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/mothers-would-get-bereavement-leave-for-miscarriages-under-new-bill.html

You have to wonder where this gravy train is going to stop quite frankly with domestic violence leave and now potentially miscarriage leave.
Soon you will be able to get paid for a years work and only turn up for about half the year because you are using all your entitlements.
Interestingly this leave seems to be only for women even though miscarriage would affect both partners but as expected the feminists pushing this bullshit don’t care because men are disposable.
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- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Some get paid for a year and never turn up for work
  
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  August 9, 2018 5:22pm
- realityczech
  
  I warned about this if Labour got in to power. They are at the extreme end of third wave feminism. You will find that nearly all their handouts disproportionally benefit women. All handouts based on think of the children are actually to benefit women.
  
  This government is about extreme feminism and they hate men. Wait until they start messing around with the law. Expect reverse onus so that men are guilty of sex crimes unless they prove they are not.
  
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  August 9, 2018 5:27pm
- KevOB
  
  It’s getting more difficult for women to get work.
  
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  August 9, 2018 8:14pm
- lifesgood
  
  I suppose the next thing will be bereavement leave because you had an abortion. Nothing would surprise me.
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:07pm
stigie

If that’s the case, businesses won’t be employing women who are between the ages of 20 and 40 years of age.
Good on ya you socialist scumbag of a government!~!
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August 9, 2018 5:24pm
- realityczech
  
  Now days women often don’t want to get pregnant until their looks start fading at 40. Then they want to end their filthy slutty ways and get the man they deserve.
  
  No decent man will have them of course and they have major fertility problems as women’s fertility plummets at 35. The remaining men are millenial soy boys with fertility at about 40% of what it was a few decades ago.
  
  Nature is not a feminist.
  
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  August 9, 2018 5:32pm
gorse

Just watched TV 1 news ad for the news in a minute, so Jacinda saying over 4000 young peaple were going to be suppodded into a trade. What the hell is a suppord?
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August 9, 2018 5:55pm
softail 1450

I’m wondering how many of the students that have waited for hours to get in to see Don Brash give his perspective on “free speech” are actually gutless SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS that are there for their 15 minutes of fame before they dissapear into their lives of being solo mums or long haired “I’m still working on my Doctorate “35 year old fucking beneficiaries….
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August 9, 2018 6:22pm
Steve (North Shore)

NZ is a small place. A commie shithead stops Don Brash from debating (they become an echo chamber)
This is small by an animal doctor.
Now the free speech specialists are going big time:
WTF is an un person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyma-3g1CGo
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August 9, 2018 6:42pm
Nostradamus

I haven’t seen any comments on this article: Consent for retaining wall as much as construction

Banks Peninsula couple Sue and Michael Denny want to build the simple concrete block wall along a bare earth bank, which was dug out so machinery could get around the nearby garage during earthquake rebuild work. The couple, who live on Governors Bay Rd, say they are “sickened” by consenting costs which would run about $20,000 – the same amount as budgeted for the wall’s construction.

The proposed wall dimensions: 9 metres long and about 2 metres high at its tallest point.

It appears that some of the $20,000 consenting costs relate to an iwi tax:

Their project will also need iwi approval, including a processing cost of $800, because their property is within the area of the Mahaanui Iwi Management Plan Silent Files and Kaitorete Spit cultural zone in the Christchurch District Plan. A silent file area is an area given special protection because it contains significant wāhi tapu (sacred places) or wāhi taonga (treasured possessions).

I say “iwi tax” because presumably some of the $800 “processing cost” will be paid to the iwi.

And there’s a broader point:

The area is larger than the wāhi tapu to ensure the exact location of the sacred place remains secret or “silent”.

How convenient for the iwi that their tax is applied to an area “larger than the wāhi tapu”. Would we be so understanding if the IRD collected tax on income that we didn’t earn? Or if our local council charged us rates for a house that we didn’t own?

I don’t think many people are aware that the so-called Maori economy is partly propped up by taxes and charges levied against people who want to do a bit of DIY work in their back yard.
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August 9, 2018 6:51pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Moari had no problems constructing a “Pa”
  What is the problem now? I know, you know, and they fucking know.
  The answer is ……
  
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  August 9, 2018 6:59pm
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    They couldn’t write the location down.
    
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    August 9, 2018 8:11pm
- Swifty
  
  Payola.
  
  An equivalent to halal certification. Pay us or do not Pass Go.
  
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  August 9, 2018 7:22pm
  - realityczech
    
    “An equivalent to halal certification”
    
    No that would be the very similar Kosher certification. I am surprised you did not already know that.
    
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    August 9, 2018 8:00pm
Nostradamus

The NZ Herald has a live feed from the Auckland University free speech debate. Not really a debate from what I’ve seen so far – just reading out prepared speeches.

But there’s an interesting photo of a protestor note. It explains how they intend to disrupt Don Brash’s contribution to the debate. It’s very Orwellian.
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- Nostradamus
  
  And we’re now at the moment where the wankers have disrupted the event – with a loudspeaker.
  
  Don Brash (when finally allowed to speak) says: “And thank you ladies and gentlemen for proving our case!”
  
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  August 9, 2018 7:29pm
- nasska
  
  From Nostra’s link:
  
  …..”and to be the critic & conscience of society”……
  
  Who asked a juvenile member of the privileged unwashed to act on our behalves?
  
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  August 9, 2018 7:32pm
- realityczech
  
  The fake news media will have already written up their stories and will be trying to outdo each other with fake outrage.
  
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  August 9, 2018 7:35pm
- KevOB
  
  The professional protestors “want the university to uphold Te Tiriti and be the critic and conscience of society”.
  
  If this nonsense continues I will be advocating tearing the thing up. Maori nationalism is dead in the water. They never got together previously–too much unrequited utu. We have a rump of antifa like activists playing bulldozer until the Police remove them.
  
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  August 9, 2018 8:07pm
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    A number of those women are armed and endangering the audience. They should be shot in the face by police, its their job.
    
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    August 9, 2018 8:17pm
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      Realityczech:
      
      A number of those women are armed and endangering the audience.
      
      I’m surprised that the loudspeaker and associated cabling didn’t get confiscated at the door on any of the following grounds: (1) it was clearly intended to be used to disrupt a public event; (2) the high decibel rating of a loudspeaker may cause permanent hearing loss; (3) the possibility of the person using the loudspeaker tripping over the cabling posed a risk to her personal safety; (4) the possibility of others tripping over the cabling posed a risk to their personal safety; (5) the loudspeaker didn’t comply with NZ standards; and (6) the use of a loudspeaker for other purposes, such as a battering ram, posed an undue risk to law and order.
      
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      August 9, 2018 8:21pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Also don’t forget:
        7.The speaker was not wearing a high vis jacket.
        
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        August 9, 2018 8:29pm
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  Nosty…..
  
  They are Arse holes…….
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:21pm
realityczech

Notice most of the people opposing Brash’s free speech are women. That right there explains why our society is in the state it is.

Traits of women:

• Micro managing and controlling.
• Overly worried about details.
• Placing feeling ahead of logic.
• Insincere virtue signalling.
• Petty and malicious.
• Elitist social climbers.

You can prove you are an imbecile by pointing to some woman you know who is not like that. If you like…
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August 9, 2018 7:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can prove you are an imbecile
  
  Oh Grief, You’re reduced to using Morrissey’s tactic.
  Shame!!!
  
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  August 9, 2018 8:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    I have a whole variety of tactics Maggy and exceptions do not disprove generalisations. Don’t worry dear none of that applies to you ?
    
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    August 9, 2018 8:14pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t forget motor-mouths and better at screaming…
  
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  August 9, 2018 10:53pm
sooty

How’s first fish’s form, working on his deck at 4am. I would have gone over there and told him he was Marama!
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August 9, 2018 8:45pm
- nasska
  
  If he was working on an outside deck at 4AM then the Mother of the Nation’s Baby must have been suffering an epic session of past-partum baby blues! 🙂
  
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  August 9, 2018 8:56pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    the Mother of the Nation’s Baby must have been suffering an epic session of past-partum baby blues!
    
    I genuinely feel sorry for Clarke. It’s a tough life being ordered outside, in the early hours of a chilly winter morning, like a dog returning to its kennel!
    
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    August 9, 2018 9:06pm
  - Longknives
    
    I hear this Gayford character works on quite a few things outside of home in the very early hours of the morning…
    
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    August 9, 2018 9:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Famous Ozzie botanist killed by her daughter..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/scientist-mary-white-allegedly-murdered-by-daughter/10093956
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August 9, 2018 9:13pm
- nasska
  
  No doubt another case of a close relative forced to end the suffering of someone they hold dear then face the consequences.
  
  All because a pack of nutters who believe in a Skydaddy refuse to accept the option of assisted suicide.
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:17pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Jordan Peterson coming to NZ in Feb. Cue more rage from the red brigade.
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August 9, 2018 9:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ha and look at bullshit spin of Newshub story on this, a half truths and quotes out of context to manufacture a monster:
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/08/who-is-jordan-peterson-a-guide-to-the-next-controversial-canadian-to-grace-our-shores.html
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:31pm
RF

Headlines…. Andrew Little lucky to be alive. I know Earthquakes are scary but that headline is stretching it.

But wait there is more. Years ago Helen Clark was flying in a small aircraft with a non pressurised cabin. The door catch broke and one of her minders pulled it shut and wedged his baton across the handle. No danger to anyone. Christ the bloody door could have fallen off and the only danger was getting a cold.

That did not stop Clark for playing up how her life was in danger. Made world headlines.

Is Angry taking false news lessons from her.
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- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  one of her minders pulled it shut and wedged his baton across the handle
  
  Are you sure that the “baton” wasn’t Helen’s broomstick?
  
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  August 9, 2018 9:55pm
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    I’m know where I would have wedged the baton.
    
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    August 10, 2018 2:07am
Nostradamus

Garbageman (above) mentioned Mike Treen’s open letter to Winston Peters. The open letter is here. It begins with “Dear Mr Peters” and goes on to say:

It was with some personal disappointment that despite several letters from my friends and colleagues, there appeared to be no action by the New Zealand government to protest the hijacking of the boat I was travelling on, Al Awda, and from which I was kidnapped and detained by the Israeli military from international waters on Sunday, July 29.

Comrade Mike then attacks the man who tried to help him:

I also wish to raise with you my deep concern at the behaviour of New Zealand’s Honorary Consul in Tel Aviv, Israel, Gad Propper. … Mr Propper inquired as to how I was and noticed a small wound on my face and asked about it. I explained it was the result of being tasered. He quickly brushed it aside and implied that I must have done something to provoke the attack with a taser.

The civil discussion was abruptly terminated:

I stood up and said the meeting would now be terminated and that I believed Mr Propper’s decision to meet me in the presence of Israeli officials was completely unprofessional and he appeared to me to be acting as an agent of the State of Israel, not as my representative.

Mr Propper and Comrade Mike switched rooms and continued their discussion:

In the private room, Mr Propper objected to my raising my voice with him. … I told him that I had concluded he appeared to be acting on Israel’s behalf and not mine. I told him that if that impression was mistaken then I would apologise and we could resume the discussion on a new footing.

It seems that no apology was offered. Comrade Mike had a meltdown:

I left the room a very angry man.

Then we get to Comrade Mike’s complaint:

I would like a review into the conduct of Gad Propper and whether his behaviour is appropriate for a consular official. I understand that consular officials are often businessmen of the country concerned who have some commercial dealings with the country they represent. But, they need to be told that their duty when playing the consular role is to the country and its people that they represent. I am convinced that Mr Propper’s behaviour was so cynical and manipulative that he is unfit to continue in that role.

The open letter ends with “Regards, Mike”.

How should Winston respond to this malicious and unsubstantiated complaint?
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August 9, 2018 9:41pm
- starboard
  
  Hi Mike
  
  Go fuck yourself.
  
  Regards
  
  Winston
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  I was really upset when I first heard about the Treen incident but once I found out that the taser wasn’t damaged it was all ok,
  
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  August 9, 2018 11:38pm
Hugh Pavletich

Australian Housing Market Downturn A Major Headwind For Banks … Fitch Solutions

https://www.fitchsolutions.com/country-risk-sovereigns/australian-housing-market-downturn-major-headwind-banks-07-08-2018

… extract …

… Housing Market Downturn Has Further Room To Go

Following years of rapid increases in residential property prices, the Australian housing market peaked in September 2017, and we expect the ongoing downturn to persist over the coming quarters. According to Corelogic, prices have recorded a cumulative 1.9% drop in value since September 2017, and have been mainly driven by Sydney and Melbourne, which are among the world’s least affordable markets, according to Demographia. Demographia stated in its 14th Annual Report that Sydney is ranked the second most unaffordable city (just behind Hong Kong), with its median house price-to-median household income coming in at 12.9x, while Melbourne is the fifth least affordable major housing market, with its median house price-to-median household income coming in at 9.9x. With overall house prices still 31% higher than they were five years ago, there is therefore still room for a further correction. … read more via hyperlink above …

… CONSIDERING THE 2007 IRISH EXPERIENCE …

The unweighted average median multiples of its metros in 2007 was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.

Currently the average Median Multiples for the Australian and New Zealand metros overall are about 5.9 and 5.8 respectively … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

Research post – 2007 by the Central Bank of Ireland found high lending multipoles was the greatest problem (more so than loan to value ratios) … and subsequently imposed a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household income.

A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times annual household income …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
… access extensive background research via link …

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

A helpful television discussion about the 2007 Irish experience …

Prof. Bill Black & Vincent Brown – Ireland’s Bank Guarantee … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw

… AND CALIFORNIA …

Straight Talk on the Mortgage Mess from an Insider – Herb Greenberg – MarketWatch

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/greenberg/2007/12/straight-talk-on-the-mortgage-mess-from-an-insider/

Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems | Hugh Pavletich| Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm

Housing Bubbles And Market Sense | Hugh Pavletich | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00046.htm
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  ABS: NSW had biggest population loss due to interstate migration … news com au
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/westpac-falling-deposits-keep-bank-funding-costs-elevated/#comment-3163071
  
  ABS: NSW had biggest population loss due to interstate migration … news com au
  
  https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/abs-data-reveals-interstate-refugees-are-fleeing-nsw-thanks-to-insane-housing-prices/news-story/66bb50207c41fb7e47ff305152112aad
  
  MORE and more NSW residents are leaving the state — and Sydney’s notorious congestion and insane property prices might be behind the exodus.
  
  According to Australian Bureau of Statistics figures for 2016-17, more than 18,000 residents abandoned Sydney last year in favour of Melbourne and other parts of NSW.
  
  Meanwhile, nearly 85,000 overseas migrants arrived in Sydney, bringing the total population to 5.1 million. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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    UPDATE … AUSTRALIAN HOUSING MARKET DOWNTURN A MAJOR HEADWIND FOR BANKS … FITCH SOLUTIONS
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/08/westpac-falling-deposits-keep-bank-funding-costs-elevated/#comment-3163078 … and …
    
    Housing prices force residents to flee Sydney as migrants settle in | Daily Mail Online
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6044185/Housing-prices-forcing-residents-flee-harbour-city-immigrants-settle-record-numbers.html
    
    As Sydney’s housing prices soar, so does the exodus of residents fleeing the harbour city that was recently declared as Australia’s most liveable capital.
    
    More than 18,000 residents fled Sydney in favour of Melbourne and other parts of NSW last year, according to Australian Bureau of Statistics 2016-17 figures released in April.
    
    Net internal migration fell by more than 18,000 in Australia’s largest city, which grew by more than 9,000 in Melbourne. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … Welcome to the real world …
    
    Vintage house ads show how dramatically costs have jumped in Sydney since 1965 | Daily Mail Online
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6030127/Vintage-house-ads-dramatically-costs-spiralled-Sydney-1965.html
    
    • Real estate guide from Sydney 1965 shows the huge difference 50 years makes
    
    • It shows houses available in Maroubra, Ashfield, Caringbah and Beverly Hills
    
    • The Beverly Hills house was for sale for £6,750 and described as ‘immaculate’
    
    • When inflation of 5.1 per cent a year is noted, this equals price of $179,744 now
    
    • A similar house is listed on the market today with an asking price of $1.32 million
    
    Life in Australia: Sydney (1966) – YouTube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR1CU8NjGW0
    
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