General Debate 5 July 2018

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KiWombat

Winnie is having a few drinks with his mate Pete down at the Viaduct. Well into the second bottle of Glenmorangie he pukes down the front of his shirt – looks at Pete and says “Jan’sh gonna kill me when she shees I got sho hammered I shpewed all over my new shirt !”

Pete pulls a $10 note out of his wallet, slips it into Winnie’s shirt pocket and says “just tell Jan that a drunk vomited all over you and gave you $10 to dry clean your shirt.”

Jan meets him at the door, and Winnie tells her that a drunk had vomited on him and given him $10 to have his shirt cleaned. Jan reaches into his pocket – and says “but this is $20 not $10 !”

“Ah yeah” – replies Winnie – “that’s because he shat my pants as well !”
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July 5, 2018 8:01am
- thedavincimode
  
  You almost had me there but then I remembered that peters doesn’t have any mates.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:26am
- redeye
  
  Bridges questioning Peters in Parliament yesterday.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=201342
  
  I’d suggest he probably had another run in with Jan after this considering how pissed he looks. Totally incoherent in some parts.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:30am
  - oldgolfer
    
    O.M.G.
    Looks to me like a man who thought he could get away with it and realised too late that he could not so blustered on anyway.
    
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    July 5, 2018 8:42am
  - Longknives
    
    Jesus!
    How long before the Media start asking questions about Winston’s Mental State/Health?
    Despite his complete lack of morals- I will admit the man used to be razor sharp… He is now a stammering,confused shell of that man.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:12am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes these fools are only surviving because there hasn’t been an exogenous shock yet, when it comes boom, they’re in trouble, mince meat.
      
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      July 5, 2018 11:17am
  - RF
    
    Blithering old fool who laughs at his own jokes….
    
    Tick tock… Tick tock.
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:04am
    - Harkman
      
      I heard him ramble on Budget day, he even used “fake news.” Good gosh he is that mentally deluded he he thinks he’s Trump. The Trump Administration has basically told him and Cindy to f-off.
      
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      July 5, 2018 11:21am
  - VicParking
    
    It’s all that extra money from his Winter Energy Payment. Black Label till September
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Good yarn. But Winston being Winston, it was probably Laphroaig rather than Glenmorangie.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:30am
- realityczech
  
  Ardern, Clark and Co. are well pleased with your focus on Winston fools, while they go about dismantling the hated works of our [formerly] democratic free market.
  
  Stop chasing squirrels.
  
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  July 5, 2018 12:43pm
duggledog

Remember that time British PM Davey Cameron told the British people to tell their killjoy Councils to get f***ed (my words) and just go ahead and have their street parties for Will and Kate’s wedding?

They loved him for it. It was just the right thing to do.

How about when John Prescott smacked that loser protester in the head?

Ditto. My point is:

I think right now could be Simon Bridges ‘Show Some Guts!’ moment.

He needs to – very publicly – tell all those attending Charter Schools (and teaching at them) to completely disobey the Joke Government and just carry on as normal.

He can tell them to chuck a Give A Little page up to pay for it. I got $100 right here.

Take a stand Simon. Encourage civil disobedience. Politics is about opportunity – here is an opportunity.

This is actually the only way National can de-legitimize these pigs. I can just see Chippy’s little face; he wouldn’t know what to do, it’s against the rules.

Well these arseholes have already chucked the rulebook out the window as is being amply illustrated on a daily basis.

Do it for the kids!!
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July 5, 2018 8:03am
- KiWombat
  
  Yes DD, and I also remember the press asking JK why he had pushed through the funding for Herceptin back in the first months of that government. His reply was also “it was the right thing to do” and that neutered the press. They moved on very quickly !
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:07am
- doggone7
  
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  Yeah, and if there were a National government and it was some workers or whoever engaging in civil disobedience you’d be the type to be siccing the army or the riot squad onto on to them. I can hear it “Let’s get in there and sort these pigs out.”
  
  But, just calming down a bit, tell us exactly what rulebook they’ve out the window.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:18am
  - Lance
    
    Because National used to deregister unions for no good reason etc???
    Or are you just talking out your arse again?
    
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    July 5, 2018 8:26am
    - 4077th
      
      “Or are you just talking out your arse again?”
      
      Yes…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Icd5PgqpfY
      
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      July 5, 2018 8:34am
- Harkman
  
  I laughed my head off last night when I heard Sir Toby Curtis asking Cindy to show “Te Aroha.” Just classic, her pandering to Maori in a politically motivated stunt in naming “her baby” may have backfired unexpectedly. Simply hilarious.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:09am
- kowtow
  
  ‘I think right now could be Simon Bridges ‘Show Some Guts!’ moment.’
  
  No less than with the war criminal Cameron , I have no doubt that their “guts” are dictated by the ‘learnings’ from the latest focus group.
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:04am
- Komata
  
  DD
  
  The problem is that Mr Bridges ‘Likes’ being ‘Mr Nice Guy’; it evidently give him warm fuzzies and to actually stick it to the CoL is so far out of his ‘comfort zone ‘ / experience base that he simply can’t even conceive that it’s actually possible. Sadly, he is still in the ‘Gentlemen don’t read another’s mail’ state, where politeness rules and certain behaviours are expected.
  
  But who is there to replace him?
  
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  July 5, 2018 12:32pm
The Heat

“Do you believe in free speech?

Do you believe that people should be judged by their character, not their skin color?

Do you believe in freedom of religion?

If you believe these things, you’re probably not a progressive. You might think you’re a progressive. I used to think I was…

Progressives used to say, “I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.” Not anymore.

Banning speakers whose opinions you don’t agree with from college campuses – that’s not progressive. Prohibiting any words not approved of as “politically correct” – that’s not progressive. Putting “Trigger Warnings” on books, movies, music, anything that might offend people – that’s not progressive either.

In those circumstances, a Ben Shapiro podcast or a Jordan Peterson YouTube video is a breath of fresh air. There — right there — fearlessly and eloquently stated is the other side of the story. It’s inspiring (not everyone is afraid), it’s informative (it frequently introduces facts not widely discussed in progressive circles), and it’s often wildly entertaining. The members of the Intellectual Dark Web are just flat-out good at what they do”.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/11/dave-rubin-left-left/
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July 5, 2018 8:07am
- mark15
  
  Well,the more society deviates from truth etc
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:25am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The ‘intellectual dark web’ has some very interesting thinkers, many of them are refugees from the left (like the Weinstein brothers) fleeing the intolerance and authoritarian thought/speech control that has taken over academia. The Rubin report youtube channel does interviews with most of them and is fantastic – better than anything on TV.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:48am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “You might think you’re a progressive. I used to think I was…”
  
  Which is why I’m here these days. The other side has gone to – the ‘other side’! Like the ‘Antifa’ fascists.
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:32am
KevOB

This Collection Of Losers understand political action but not how counter it. They are intrinsically bullies: they take not give.

The disobedience would bring them to a halt.
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July 5, 2018 8:10am
Paulus

Today is the day for our sexual titillation.
The Bazley report on the sexually abused Interns at Russell McVea is to be released.
Why did they not go to the Police ?

And the appearance in Court in Auckland of the sexual perpetrator at the Labour Party in Karangahake. I doubt if we will ever find out his name.
What about the drinking and who provided them ?
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July 5, 2018 8:10am
- igm
  
  His name and all details are out there, just go to the right sources, there is information for all. Someone will get pissed off and the lid will come off, just as it did for the Labour thief that had lifelong suppression so he could slither into Local Government . . . everyone knows who he is, and I hope they will find out who this perverted bastard and his parents are very quickly. Maybe Winnie could let it out under Parliamentary privilege!
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:42am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Whats the worst that will happen, (as there is no name suppression yet) if you create a new persona, drop the name and suffer the strike?
    
    Or drop hints like old Whale Oil used to?
    
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    July 5, 2018 11:02am
    - igm
      
      Not in a position to invoke another strike as I am nearly out the door. If not, I would gladly post details of the scummy Labour arseholes.
      
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      July 5, 2018 2:06pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Which Labour MP owns a bar?
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:45am
  - stephen2d
    
    The weather man
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:23am
    - starboard
      
      Geez, What Now..sheesh!
      
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      July 5, 2018 10:44am
    - igm
      
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      July 5, 2018 2:08pm
      - sam green
        
        So – iga – what exactly are you accusing the person you have identified of?
        
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        July 5, 2018 6:57pm
secondcumming

@6.47am my elderly mother in-law tweets….

“Just herd this on 1ZB. Auckland barista and well known crimhugger Marie Dryburger calls for ban on Tasers – wants all front line Police issued with Mothercare Pacifiers”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1014390850758021120
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July 5, 2018 8:11am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Not sure your m-i-l heard correctly.
  
  http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/marie-dyhrberg-tasers-not-for-compliance/
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:26pm
Happychappy

It’s going to be interesting to see if the Coalition of Misfits pick all the highest earners to buy the first lot of Kiwi build house’s or will they give the lower echelon a chance also.
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July 5, 2018 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  14000 have registered for Kiwibuild houses. So far Phil has 30 houses available. Kind of created what you were trying to fix, eh Phil!
  
  DPF’s Kiwibuild house counter says you are 6909 behind. Come on Phil, you know you can do it!!
  
  Let’s do this! ?
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:57am
  - VicParking
    
    The Government is pitching its handouts to the “middle” class. They know the “unwashed” will vote for them anyway. KiwiBuild, Baby Bonus, Winter warmer payment, Varisity Fees. See more to come as we get closer to the election.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:13am
  - Harkman
    
    This KIWIbuild is beginning to look a NZ form of gerrymandering for the battle-ground Auckland seats. Labour is trying to stuff Auckland seats with Labour voters through an unsustainable bribe.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:14am
  - Maxx
    
    I see the Herald is now reporting it as 17,000 people. So even if they meet their targets, that’s still over 10,000 disappointed voters at the next election.
    
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    July 5, 2018 12:33pm
- marcw
  
  Those who earn up at the limits Twyford has announced need budget advice, not a Kiwibuilt house. FFS, $180,000 pa and need taxpayer subsidy???
  
  This is madness.
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:34am
Monique Watson

Happy 4th July. Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. Signs everywhere saying fireworks are prohibited in this county. Find the right cul-de-sac though and this will be flouted by old white men.
Better go turn my pork butt and get the ribs in the smoker. Might even be time for a rest before the neighborhood egg toss. (You partner up and toss an egg back and forward and the last pair left standing without egg yolk dripping off them are the winners.)
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July 5, 2018 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  Happy 4 July Monique!
  ? ? ? ??
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  Monique, Why don’t American Politicans use Hand Grenades. Pull the pin out and throw backwards and forwards. Last man standing becomes President.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:18am
- Longknives
  
  Happy 4th of July Monique!
  As someone who has spent a bit of time in The States (Beautiful place with lovely friendly people) I am far more celebratory of the 4th of July than that fucking made up ‘Matariki’ joke…
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:23am
  - starboard
    
    “USA.. USA.. USA..” rock on! ??
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:47am
Huevon

The Labour government will now subsidise lucky ballot winners into a property in Auckland’s outrageously overpriced housing market. The homes will be built by immigrant workers, but they’ll never get a chance to win this lottery because the prizes only go to citizens.

You even get a chance for a bonus prize if you’re in the second stage of life and divorced.

The Resource Management Act, large scale mass immigration and Auckland Council are untouched. Just look away! Keep your eyes on next week’s lotto winner! It could even be you!
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July 5, 2018 8:14am
- Philview
  
  It sounds like we will have a scenario where there will be say 2 couples on the same income. One couple will have to pay a $million for their house but the other will be subsidised into a half price house based on ballot. Now that doesn’t seem fair to me.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:44am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Kiwibuild=Lotto, with the NZ taxpayer picking up the tab for the tickets for the lucky winners.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:51am
Paulus

Today in Trade Me there are 249 dwellings for sale in Tauranga at under $550,000.
Why pay over $650,000 after a lucky ballot having to wait years for them to be built.
How many have been started under this scheme – none yet – the first ones some approx 30 were started in the middle of last year so none have yet been started as there are no available builders.
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July 5, 2018 8:24am
- waikatogirl
  
  If you have to wait years for your Kiwibuild home does the price rise accordingly? Or is Phil going to hold his $650,000 price tag for the special Kiwibuild applicants? The devils in the details Phil.
  
  Let’s Do this!
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:06am
Poppa

So it has been reported that 6000 people have applied for Kiwifail homes.

It makes me wonder how many can actually get a deposit & afford the repayments, if the bank will lend them the money of course?

I suspect that most will fail to meet the criteria but are sucked in by Twyford’s bedtime stories
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July 5, 2018 8:29am
- Huevon
  
  I suspect most of them would be better off just buying a lotto ticket.
  
  Never trust Labour.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:38am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Created so all the young urban lefties who can’t afford to buy in the likes of central Auckland, can purchase their first property investment while continuing to live with mum and dad.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:43am
- Keeping Stock
  
  6000 applications so far, for 42 homes due for completion in the next three months. That’s 142 people per house.
  
  Maybe Phil Twyford should be building hotels…
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:52am
- Simon
  
  Interest rates are only going to go up.
  
  Jerrybuilt Homes was about affordability but Labo cant get the numbers to work.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:09am
  - Harkman
    
    I’ll have to do the math but Cindy’s new $60 a week bribe will disappear if mortgage rates increase by just 1.5%, which is easily possible. Whenever Labour gives you a dollar, you’ll end up losing two dollars.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:21am
- VicParking
  
  Fake News. When you log into the site your register for more information about KiwiBuild. 15,000 have done so. Nothing to do with registering for a Ballot. In fact according to Twyford this wont happen until next year and will be based on a specific set of houses. Just another example of the MSM bullshiting on behalf of the Government. Bet you not one reporter from Red Radio actually logged into the site themselves.
  http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/kiwibuild
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:25am
Monique Watson

Arrived here 7 1/2 years ago. My four year old starts pre-school. Another boy goes home and tells his Mom who is a good friend of mine: “Mom! A new boy started today and I don’t know what language he speaks but he doesn’t speak English!” 🙂
They have the ‘Merican accent now. I still sound like a Kiwi.
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July 5, 2018 8:31am
holysheet

A young German guy gets a job as a radioman in the coast guard. He’s instructed in how to do it properly, and the way to relay distress calls from ships. In a few minutes, his first call comes in:
“Mayday! Mayday!”
So our German radioman answers:
“Oh, hallo! Vat ist happening?”
The radio crackles: “We’re sinking! We’re sinking!”
“Oh,” the German radioman pauses. “Vat are you sinking about?”
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July 5, 2018 8:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet, where did you c and p that from?
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:50am
  - holysheet
    
    Vat do voo means?
    Crap and piss?
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:11am
flipper

Remember how proud we were of the success of the Peter Jackson (et al ) films?
Sadly the left wing pricks in Auckland have lunched a persistent campaign against Jackson and his team. Even labelling Jackson “egotistc”. Why ?? Well I guess because it is Wellington based. The left wing union/Australian shills have neither forgiven nor indicated a willingness to forget the legislation that kept them in Australia. All this is indicative of the influence of the illegitimate Regine.
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July 5, 2018 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  They are still pissed off to losing out to Wellington because ‘Pants Down Brown’ fu**ed up the negotiations because he wanted his mates to benefit.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:28am
Happychappy

These houses will go to the top bracket in Twyfords register for those that want to be on the list, and those that are locked out of the market now will still be locked out at the next Election as Labour will go for the safe money first. Like the hypocrites they are its easy to promise but not so easy to deliver.
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July 5, 2018 8:40am
- rangitoto
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:50am
stephieboy

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Talk of civil disobedience is all the rage this morning.

Talk, talk. Squawk, squawk…

Now, what form could it possibly take other than banging away on the keyboards as per usual?

Alt-right, warriors you’re a joke!
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July 5, 2018 8:49am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Genuine question, Stephieboy, how is this any different from what you are doing?
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:52am
  - thedavincimode
    
    The difference NW is that he brings being a filthy little perv to the table.
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:05am
- Simon
  
  Soyboy
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:02am
- holysheet
  
  Banging on the keyboards beats head banging the floor anytime stooopidboy
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  Trump’s popularity is really getting to you Leftouties, isn’t it steph? Impotent rage is what some are describing it as.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:21am
- VicParking
  
  Morning Stephie, Clean the wax from your years its not a Squawk you hear just you goat complaining of his constipation. Give him a break so he can crap ??
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:31am
- rangitoto
  
  Here’s some good news for you Stephie:
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/04/judge-tosses-suit-alleging-trump-campaign-conspired-with-russians-in-hack-report.html
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:52am
- Garbageman
  
  What are you going to do about it stooopidboy apart from banging away on your keyboard as usual saying shit you wouldn’t have the guts to say to anyone here face to face
  Atl left warriors as gutless as they are stupid
  
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  July 5, 2018 12:41pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Someone give the galah a cracker before he falls off his perch.
  
  Alt right,
  Trumpeters,
  
  Oooo Stormy Daniels …..
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:32pm
DigNap15

Annother great criminal – catch and release

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12082317

Very sad reading, what would you do with the guy?
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July 5, 2018 8:51am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Saw that dig…
  
  What pisses me off that this guy will serve a pathetic jail sentence, be released, immediately return to benefit, with a medical certificate because he’s “depressed”.
  
  And within a year, he’ll be back inside for another offence.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:56am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    If 3 strikes applied to him there’s be 149 fewer victims.
    
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    July 5, 2018 1:34pm
- RalphT
  
  What would I do? Lock him away for even longer than a year. What will happen? They’ll start making the cake to celebrate his 100th bout of imprisonment.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:59am
- DigNap15
  
  I wonder how old he is
  I wonder if he has ever worked and paid taxes?
  I wonder how many children he has “fathered”
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:30am
Monique Watson

Those Kiwifail houses are going to be valued at $1M within eighteen months of purchase, perpetuating the same cycle that locked the generations following mine out of housing ownership. Demand is greater than supply in the Kiwifail scenario. The fundamentals are totally wrong. You’ve got to have a meaningful reform of the RMA and push out the city boundaries. The lefties might tout ‘urban sprawl’, as a reason not to but that is bullshit. Suburbia suits a certain segment of the population, think the Prime Minister’s demographic, but the young and some of the footloose Empty Nesters will prefer apartment living. Or Martinborough.
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July 5, 2018 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
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  Monique Watson, as the old saying goes, “Nobody raises a statue to a critic ”
  
  Kindly do a Hugh Pavelitch and outline some of your solutions to the housing affordability and shortage problem?.
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:59am
  - KiWombat
    
    That’s easy duhboy. Don’t aspire to something that you can’t afford !
    
    There are thousands of houses available right now for half the price of Twitford’s promises, but they might not be in the middle of NZ’s most expensive city. It’s not rocket science !
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:20am
  - Harkman
    
    “Hugh Pavelitch and outline some of your solutions” Hugh doesn’t do that, he just edit pastes the same ramblings of unaffordability each day, there’s never any solutions.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:48am
- ex-golfer
  
  Great aye?
  I’m a single professional earning over $110k.
  I’ve owned property before – but always in a trust.
  So I can now classify myself as a first home buyer.
  I will be pleased to be selected from the ballot to get one of these KiwiBuild homes – it will be a great home for 3 years before I flick it off for nice cap gain (notwithstanding the tax I will have to pay).
  I may even choose to rent it out – and become one of those slum landlords, but I’ll be very selective on the type of tenant I choose.
  Thanks for the hand-up Phil
  #letsdothis
  
  Meanwhile – the poor still cannot afford homes.
  But hey, Labour doesn’t really care about the poor.
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:35am
- david
  
  I warrant that Auckland Council will be readying their revaluations so that they can crank up the rating relativity at the earliest opportunity. It is too good an opportunity to miss.
  
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  July 5, 2018 4:40pm
Urban Redneck

Here’s some alt-right warriors here, smashing up nightstick wielding Antifa fascists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQTPE8WR5c
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July 5, 2018 8:55am
- Longknives
  
  Note it’s the Antifa ‘Peaceful Protester’ who is wearing a mask (so Cops can’t identify him later) and swinging a weapon..
  Yet he still got knocked the fuck out! Ha Ha
  Fuck the Left are pathetic wimps…
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:19am
  - KevOB
    
    Cowardly anarchists; a.k.a. unionists.
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:21am
- Inandout
  
  Soros backed the wrong horse with Antifa, or is it Antifraid?
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:26am
- Harkman
  
  The irony is Antifa is the most fascist group out there at the moment.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:51am
brett68

Still boils down to the fact that National did a shit job with the housing issue.

They didn’t get local council sorted so land is freed up quicker

They didn’t get the required trades sorted so we had the man power to get the houses built in reasonable time frames and at a fair price.

They didn’t get the issue with overpriced building materials sorted

They did add a lot of extra HS/compliance costs

They did allow immigrants to flood into the country which overwhelmed our already stressed and small building industry.

National had nine years to get this under control but basically did nothing and we’re now in a situation where a tiny little house on a handkerchief sized section is getting raffled off at 650k which is apparently cheap!

It’s complete bullshit.
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July 5, 2018 8:56am
- Happychappy
  
  And Labour had nine years before that so take your blinkers off , as we all know your not a Simon Bridges fan and if Judith was their your criticism of National would stop.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:14am
  - brett68
    
    Don’t be such a sycophant. 🙄
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:12am
    - Happychappy
      
      Well stop being a wanker.
      
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      July 5, 2018 11:39am
  - jcuk
    
    Sadly the [true believer] cannot see the truth.
    
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    July 5, 2018 2:02pm
- Batman
  
  Brett, while I agree those things need to be done, you can’t really blame National. To answer you in order…
  
  The last govt tried to sort it, sadly the likes of Peter Dunne and Labour blocked it because they didn’t want to let go of the objection and consultation provisions which slow everything down so much.
  
  The trades is all about culture change. The funding was there, hell, the Nats were even offering $2k upfront for tools etc. But the fact of the matter is that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink, especially when it’s been told by lefty teachers all through school that trades are for those who don’t pass, and everyone else should go to uni.
  
  The building materials is another situation where unless you mandate price caps and all sorts of shit solutions, you won’t be able to do much given NZs size.
  
  The compliance costs were caused by councils, see the RMA point above.
  
  Immigration was overblown. Media liked reporting incoming figures without reporting exit figures. But yes the population grew, however not to the extent it caused the housing situation, that is primarily due to the stupid RMA issues thanks to the left.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:15am
  - brett68
    
    The trades is all about culture change. The funding was there, hell, the Nats were even offering $2k upfront for tools etc. But the fact of the matter is that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink, especially when it’s been told by lefty teachers all through school that trades are for those who don’t pass, and everyone else should go to uni.
    
    Builders don’t have time or interest in training apprentices, which is why we’re in the current situation, people are so busy they just want staff who can turn up and get the job done.
    Also young guys aren’t what they used to be like, where they could stay focused and concentrated on the job without getting bored.
    Long term training has to go back to the situation where the government did the lion share of apprenticeships; it’s the only way the skill shortage will get sorted
    The only way they can do that is if they turn housing corp into a fully-fledged building division which can then be used to train people in all the different construction trades.
    We get state houses and we train people at the same time, You’d set up in Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington.
    
    People do their 4 years or whatever length their apprenticeship may be and then leave and enter the private sector.
    
    The building materials is another situation where unless you mandate price caps and all sorts of shit solutions, you won’t be able to do much given NZs size.
    
    Why aren’t we importing framing timber? Why are we stuck with pine?
    Or plaster board there’s far superior products out their than Gib, but Fletcher’s has got the market completely tied up so it’s near impossible to get alternatives.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:52am
    - sooty
      
      What’s better than gib?
      
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      July 5, 2018 12:05pm
      - brett68
        
        Apparently Elephant board is far superior.
        
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        July 5, 2018 12:23pm
    - Colville
      
      I dont think you know fuck all about the trades.
      Simple fact is that every trade has a significant amount of labouring type brain dead work. That is where you start the munters, after a few months of them being able to turn up on time and remember what they were doing yesterday hopefully they will be able to think enough to do some basic tasks unassisted and after a year might even be trusted to go to a job without a bloke watching over them.
      After a couple of years they are full of themselves and think they can run a job and after 3 or 4 years you are fighting to keep them because someone else has offered them big money because you are known for turning out good staff.
      Point being, you cant run a successful trade company unless you have staff at all levels. You certainly cant use a $65/hr tradie to do shit work and expect to win quotes.
      So no you cant have all the apprentices come out of a govt training factory.
      
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      July 5, 2018 3:07pm
      - brett68
        
        Simple fact is that every trade has a significant amount of labouring type
        
        That’s what you hire labourers, apprentices are their to learn not to be a cheap dogsbody.
        
        Got to say fellla you sound like a complete arsehole to work for or with, whatever it may be, which is why it’s better that young people get trained by pros instead of grizzly old cunts such as yourself.
        
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        July 5, 2018 3:56pm
- Huevon
  
  National did try to reform the RMA but got stymied by the Maori party demanding concessions. The Slime Dunne wouldn’t give any support. But that’s politics.
  
  Now we have taxpayers pumping millions into a state funded lottery scheme. The fundamental issues are ignored. What a fucking joke this country has become under the Silly Little Girl.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:25am
  - softail 1450
    
    Huevon, that political prostitute Dunne has a lot to answer for over the last 30 years but he wont, probably end up with a choice job somewhere as a lobbyist in parliament or a 1/2 million a year job in local government,he’s one person that can be rightly called a C—T
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:47am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Brett – DPF has blogged about it several times, but housing prices actually rose FASTER on a percentage basis under Labour 1999-2008 than under National.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:33am
  - brett68
    
    Labour were the same they were useless as well.
    
    Fundamentally the whole housing model is broken in NZ.
    
    People shouldn’t have to be mortgaged to the eyeballs for the next 30 years to be able to afford a house.
    
    All that interest money heading off shore to foreign banks instead of being spent within the NZ economy, it’s such a hand brake on the economy.
    
    We’ve completely fucked ourselves by letting the situation get to where it is.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:56am
    - rangitoto
      
      Nothing to stop you buying shares in the Aussie banks.
      
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      July 5, 2018 9:58am
      - brett68
        
        Don’t be dick
        
        We’ve got a massive issue here with cost of living, and housing is where the biggest percentage of the problem lies.
        
        Over inflated housing costs is killing our local economy and making a massive chunk of the population miserable, not what you want in a democracy.
        
        It has to be fixed otherwise we’re fucked.
        
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        July 5, 2018 10:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Who’s the Dick?
        You can buy $250K houses in suburban Wellington, Palmerston North, Hawkes Bay, Dunedin, in fact everywhere except Auckland and Queenstown.
        Queenstown is an international tourist mecca and Auckland is our biggest city by far. The same affordability problem exists in Sydney, London, New York etc. even though much cheaper properties are available in other parts of those respective countries.
        Not sure if it can ever be fixed short of a financial meltdown (quite possible under this Government) which would dump the price of a house in Wainuiomata to $70K.
        Your first car doesn’t have to be a new BMW. Likewise your first house doesn’t have to be a trendy villa in Ponsonby.
        
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        July 5, 2018 10:42am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Fuelled by tax rorts including income measures for WFF.
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:08am
- Inandout
  
  I would imagine that if Christchurch hadn’t had an earthquake we may have seen a very different economy. I am sure Key had a vision for NZ’s future. Earthquakes just suck money.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:36am
macdee

worth a read

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2018/07/04/oh-mother-these-are-more-than-teething-problems-for-jacinda-to-sort-out/#more-280
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July 5, 2018 9:00am
Longknives

So the Left are shrieking for Tasers to be banned.
I’m cool with that- The cops will simply have to go back to putting bullets in these violent mongrels..
Win-Win.
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July 5, 2018 9:16am
- sooty
  
  Beat them with their batons?
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Why should they have to close up with a dangerous animal who was kicking someone on the ground in the head and then needed a spit hood.
    
    Sounds like ‘Aotearoa’ has just lost another of its “finest” and the tax payer won’t have to keep it locked up in luxury for a year or two.
    
    Win , win .( For New Zealand and the taxpayer)
    
    *I feel sorry for the cops who will now be put through the wringer on this.
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:46am
- Debbie
  
  Quick Facebook stalk reveals this was far from this thugs first offence.
  
  If I’m not mistaken that’s an ankle bracelet. Shame they didn’t do it a bit more tightly, then he might have lost a foot and an elderly man wouldn’t be in a critical care in hospital right now 🙁
  
  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=687119707970825&set=a.155464237803044.32629.100000184056376&type=3
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:06pm
DigNap15

Yes as a National voter I was very upset that they let the housing prices get way out of control.

They did far too little, far too late.
Sure, my house has doubled in price, so I feel great, but what about my grandchildren who will never be able to afford their own house!
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July 5, 2018 9:24am
- KevOB
  
  No govt can control housing prices unless they are a full blown communist state. NZ had an unforeseen bonus, from National’s prudent economic administration, thousands of Kiwis returning. That put pressure on housing along with speculative low interest finance and Chinese seeking to park their funds overseas.
  
  There would have been economic chaos if we had attempted to be able to meet the sudden demand. There is 5-10 lag to prepare building workers to suitable standards. Raw materials are not left sitting around either. Blaming the past government for the spike is ignorant. The real problem is that there is a problem and the COL are way out of their depth in their ability to cope with it. Expect the difficulties to be compounded.
  
  Sneaky consideration.. Is the COL approach really more rational than it appears? Is the proposal to offer the new houses to higher earning Aucklanders a way to securing more Auckland seats? Dumb but smart?
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:56am
  - Cobolt24
    
    Don’t forget the immigration rate from people who aren’t NZ citizens coming to NZ, other than that I agree.
    
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    July 5, 2018 11:59am
DigNap15

Here’s a question.
Why do house prices keep going up.
If I buy a new car, I will have lost thousands when I drive out the showroom door.
Then in 5 or 10 years times it will be worth hardly anything.
Yet a new house keeps going up in value, whereas it should do down in value, as it is wearing out, the carpets, the roof, the cladding etc etc.
I know the land goes up, but the house itself should go down.
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July 5, 2018 9:28am
- KiWombat
  
  Good point Dignap – and you are quite right !
  
  I have a friend in Auckland who lives in a 50 year old house. Very nice 5 bed home – the Council valuation of the home is now $25,ooo – but the land value is over $1,500,000.
  
  The value of his home is in the land, even though he has a very nice house built on it. The valuation of the house component has dropped from $150,000 in 2014 !
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:45am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Sounds like that’s quite a big section which could probably accommodate 4 houses. The valuation obviously reflects the fact that the house is just taking up space and being an impediment to more productive use of the land.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:59am
    - KiWombat
      
      Yes cap it is quite a large section – but a weird shape that would not lend itself to the 4 houses you suggest – perhaps another 1?
      
      There is a very long driveway of various widths, and that can’t be used for much more than parking a wheelbarrow !
      
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      July 5, 2018 10:11am
      - Colville
        
        If the land cant be subdivided then object to the valuation on that basis and watch your rates bill go down by half!
        
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        July 5, 2018 3:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  because regulatory costs, wage rises, and building supplies cost inflation have caused rapid escalation in the cost of building houses, something like 30-40% increase in last 5 years.
  
  So house renovation or replacement costs have sky-rocketed lifting value of existing houses.
  
  This is a relatively easy thing for govt to fix (on regulatory side), and perhaps we need a 3rd ‘kiwihardware” competitor to break the building supplies cartel and bring the prices down.
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:01am
  - DigNap15
    
    Not perhaps.
    We definitely need more competition in the building supplies area.
    And why are our building costs per sq metre much more then Australia’s when our labour rates are lower?
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:27am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      because a large proportion of ‘labouring’ time is now devoted to entirely unproductive health and safety and regulatory compliance activities?
      
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      July 5, 2018 11:47am
      - DigNap15
        
        I understand what you are saying.
        But its always been dearer per sqm here.
        And don’t they have any health and safety rules in OZ?
        We tend to follow the rest of the world in these matters, California, the UK etc etc
        
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        July 5, 2018 6:16pm
waikatogirl

14,881 have now registered for Kiwibuild.
Better get building Phil. ?
Let’s Do This!
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July 5, 2018 9:29am
- VicParking
  
  Just Gov peddling Fake News See my 9:25. All you do is register for more information
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:36am
- thedavincimode
  
  They’ll be ready for the retirement home by the time chinky twyford builds that many.
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:09am
Keeping Stock

Labour’s bad week is getting worse; Barry Soper doubles down on them, describing Kiwibuild as “middle class welfare”:

There are three poisoned chalices in government: health, housing and education – and two of them have just converged in a rather spectacular fashion.

Put health aside for the time being, Minister David Clark’s got enough on his hands squabbling with the nurses over their pay and conditions.

There was certainly no raising of the chalices of the other two in celebration, more like drowning their sorrows.

Phil Twyford was, in his words, opening the door to affordable home ownership, which was little more than a public relations exercise. He invited aspiring home owners to register their interest in a ballot for a KiwiBuild home which was a bit like taking a stab in the dark.

Far from opening the door, there’s still not a door to open – the first house has yet to make its appearance and over the next year just 1000 doors will beckon the ballots. And to qualify for a key to your phantom household you’ll have to be earning less than $120,000 if you’re a singleton and $180,000 if you have a partner.

Unfortunately it looks as though it’s shaping up to be a middle class housing programme where you’d certainly need that level of income to cope with the mortgage, with the current average expected to be $650,000 and rising.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12083372

As if that’s not bad enough, I just heard on the 9am that Twyford has admitted that Kiwibuild was never intended for those on low incomes.

Pardon me? I thought that was the whole aim of Kiwibuild; to make housing ownership available to everyone, not just the middle class and above. I would suggest Twyford and Labour are going to face huge push-back over this.

Kiwibuild was Labour’s flagship election policy. But the party is quickly finding that what sounded good in opposition in much harder to achieve in reality. As every day passes, the chances of the Labour-led coalition even making it to the 2020 General Election, let alone being re-elected, look slimmer.
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July 5, 2018 9:29am
- The Heat
  
  The real question is why so many fools believed any of this?
  
  Labour offered no explanation as to “how”, only “trust us”. That was a red flag for anyone with an IQ over 90.
  
  Sadly….
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:19am
  - KevOB
    
    A govt with an IQ of 90. How can they claim any right to govern. To continue is fraud. Their self belief is not sufficient.
    
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    July 5, 2018 11:12am
- Classic Liberal
  
  People with a big mortgage on their home will be paying tax to help couples on up to 180K get into a subsidised house. While their house loses value and they slide into negative equity.
  
  This will apply to a lot of people in their middle years, trying to prepare for retirement.
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:24am
KiWombat

Prices of housing doubles every 8 – 8 1/2 years. This is not a new thing – it’s been happening for hundreds of years globally.

Do an exercise – google the average house price in your city 50 – 60 – or 100 years ago, then double that price every 8 years until now. You will find the result is pretty close to the average price today. Don’t forget to allow for decimal currency changeover in the 60’s.

So if the average price in Auckland is around $1 million today, there is nothing stopping it being $2 million by 2026 ! Even my palatial $250,000 home on the West Coast will be worth $1/2 million at that time, and locals laugh when I suggest that will be the case.

The answer is to buy what you can afford – doesn’t matter where it is – just buy it and get on the property ladder ! And if you can’t afford to buy a $250,000 palace like mine on the West Coast, then start looking somewhere else !
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July 5, 2018 9:38am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Respectfully, rubbish. We are seeing an anomalous period of rapid house price rises. But there are many examples in history where house prices have fallen for periods of generations. (eg Melbourne, New England)
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:04am
  - KiWombat
    
    UN – yes there will always be glitches. But over time they even themselves out. Melbourne house prices have only risen 300% in 20 years –
    
    https://www.domain.com.au/news/how-melbourne-house-prices-of-1997-compare-to-2017/
    
    so they may be a little behind ? – but as a rule Melbourne prices will follow the global trend and pick up again !
    
    Of course there are also other influences on “spot” property prices – you would be a fool to believe that homes within 5 miles of a Nuclear Power Station would increase in value by the global norm, and attractive locations like Auckland and Queenstown may well be slightly ahead of the game to compensate.
    
    Try it with your town – get the average home price in – say – 1960, then compare it with average prices today – you will be in for a surprise !
    
    You mentioned Melbourne – but the quote above indicated exactly what I have stated – to the dollar !
    
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    July 5, 2018 10:21am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Auckland house prices have (roughly) doubled every seven years for the last 100 years.
    This has been talked about before on here and is well established.
    Sure, it’s not a straight line going up but the stat is correct.
    
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    July 5, 2018 12:32pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      when wages are only growing at 2-3% over long term, and mortgage interest rates are near to lowest they can be, just where do you imaging the money to cover 8-9% house price growth is going to appear from?
      
      The party is over, permanently. We will continue to see house price growth, but not beyond the rate of growth in real incomes.
      
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      July 5, 2018 1:22pm
      - KiWombat
        
        You buy where you can afford to buy. It’s pretty simple really !
        
        I would have liked to have lived close to where my parents bought their house, but I had to consider another suburb because it was just too expensive. I bought a couple of suburbs away.
        
        These days everybody wants to live in Ponsonby – and if you have 100,000 people lining up to buy the annual supply of 450, then you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out what happens.
        
        Just get real – buy what you can afford !
        
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        July 5, 2018 4:42pm
- burt
  
  You seriously can’t be suggesting that people take responsibility for themselves with real estate – this is NZ and our PM promised everyone a house.
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:17am
VicParking

Our “I dont read all my Memos and Emails” Minister of health has released the Governments Plans for Fresh Water. Main Points from his Red Radio Interview are:
“Don’t know how long it will take to fix the problem”
“Don’t know how much it will cost but it will be a shit load”
“The Government will not be paying, it will be Ratepayers”
“Don’t know if it will fully fix the problem”
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July 5, 2018 9:41am
KiWombat

Might not see the troll today – he probably has an appointment in Auckland thismorning !
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July 5, 2018 9:49am
- softail 1450
  
  KiwiWombat, hopefully the court is goat friendly….
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:38am
Harkman

The Labour sexual abuser just pleaded not guilty, gets name suppression.
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July 5, 2018 10:00am
- burt
  
  A pile of lawyers are now planning to join the Labour party now to get insulated and protected from facing the sunlight on their unacceptable behaviour.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105222688/dame-margaret-bazley-to-release-report-into-law-firm-russell-mcveaghs-culture
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:14am
- big bruv
  
  So his hand just slipped, or did he use the Hughes defence?
  
  Another coverup folks.
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:47am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes look in a couple of months for the Labour MP who’s son is suddenly living and working for some lefty think tank in London.
    
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    July 5, 2018 11:26am
    - RF
      
      I doubt that the perp would be able to leave NZ with a serious active charge hanging over his head. He would be flagged and stopped at the border.
      
      A defended hearing could be many months away… even next year.
      
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      July 5, 2018 12:30pm
Steve (North Shore)

Happy Independence Day to USA.
MAGA. Trump 2020
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July 5, 2018 10:13am
DigNap15

Gee our NZ dollar does not buy much.
I am ordering a book online its $66 US which will cost me $97 NZ.
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July 5, 2018 10:32am
- burt
  
  Get in quick before the only book we are allowed to order online is;
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital
  
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  July 5, 2018 10:45am
flipper

Nurses strike ???????????
Auckland “yes, strike”.
Most rest NZ “No”
Why?
Auckland nurses (the largest area group) are pissed with the petrol (oops, pardon, duty) tax that makes them much worse off.
Likely result overall ???
Strike , at least according to a senior nurse unionist direct to me in a conversation on what they are likely to do.
Speculation? Yes, but seems reasonable.
Tough shit Peters, Ardern, poofie, and their Regime !!!
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July 5, 2018 10:55am
- RF
  
  Christchurch, Timaru and Dunedin … yes.. strike.
  
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  July 5, 2018 12:32pm
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Dot Crim has lost his appeal against extradition
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105254436/kim-dotcom-loses-appeal-against-extradition

I wonder how much longer this BS will drag on before he is finally booted out of NZ?
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July 5, 2018 11:08am
- rangitoto
  
  Well it is up to Angry Andy now.
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:27am
  - Happychappy
    
    Any bets that the Coalition will give him a reprieve.
    
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    July 5, 2018 11:44am
    - RF
      
      Angry is gutless and will bow to pressure from the communist left within the party.
      
      If the commie chick agrees to keep him here in NZ it will be interesting to hear what her father thinks about that. He was a good cop and must be swallowing dead rats watching his daughter ruining the reputation of the Police.
      
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      July 5, 2018 11:58am
      - sooty
        
        Did Angry visit the mansion, every other Labour MP did.
        
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        July 5, 2018 12:11pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Don’t forget Winston visited the Mansion to and you would never know whether he did a corrupt deal like the Owen Glenn donation so you couldn’t put your house on him being deported.
        
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        July 5, 2018 12:11pm
- 4077th
  
  Good Job, on your way fattie… Leavenworth is nice this time of year 🙂
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah – KDC is going to the Supreme Court and that will take another year or two at the earliest.
    
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    July 5, 2018 1:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Excellent. Will he do a runner to south america now?
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:51am
  - sooty
    
    Is this the reason for the large german to relocate to Queenstown? With all the private jets passing thru is he aiming to sneak onboard and do a runer?
    
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    July 5, 2018 12:18pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Is there a private jet big enough to lift off with him weighing it down?
      
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      July 5, 2018 3:53pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  One more possible appeal, to the Supreme Court. However with the District Court having approved the extradition, and both the High Court and Court of Appeal upholding the original decision, his lawyers will have to come up with something new for the Supreme Court to even give him leave to appeal, let alone hear from him.
  
  The clock is now ticking a little more loudly for the Large German Gentleman. Hopefully it won’t be long before we say “Auf wiedersehen”.
  
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  July 5, 2018 12:11pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    The Supreme Court will only hear an appeal if it is necessary in the interests of justice to hear the matter
    The Senior Courts act provides in relation to the interests of justice concept as follows:
    
    It is necessary in the interests of justice for the Supreme Court to hear and determine a proposed appeal if—
    (a)
    the appeal involves a matter of general or public importance; or
    (b)
    a substantial miscarriage of justice may have occurred, or may occur unless the appeal is heard; or
    (c)
    the appeal involves a matter of general commercial significance.
    
    Dotcom may rely on subs a or b but given volume the high court and court of appeal decisions in this matter the Supreme Court may say enough is enough.
    
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    July 5, 2018 12:33pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Hopefully it won’t be long before we say “Auf wiedersehen”.
    
    Andrew Little gets the final say. Given that it’s right-wingers who are clamouring to see Dotcom handed over to the Yanks, how likely do you think it is that Little will choose to ignore the word “justice” in his job title just so he can make right-wingers happy? I’m picking the answer is “Not very.”
    
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    July 5, 2018 1:36pm
- KevOB
  
  KDC could be put to useful work here. He is proven as one of the ablest software enablers out there. With suitable agreements he could help sort out IRD’s woes. WINZ is in even greater need. KDC has rare skills.
  
  KDC has not broken NZ law but offended the movie moguls in the USA. He had a rough time here with US intervention and attack on his mansion.
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:17pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    He’s a highly intelligent sociopath, been screwing people over his whole adult life, with a criminal record (and many quick exits from countries to avoid consequences). He is not the type of person that anyone in business will want to deal with. NZ would be well rid of him.
    
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    July 5, 2018 1:26pm
    - KevOB
      
      A lot of successful business people could be classified as sociopaths.
      
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      July 5, 2018 4:42pm
- waikatogirl
  
  He’s already signalled an appeal will be the next step. Crimdotcom is like the proverbial cockroach that just won’t go away.
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:31pm
rightoverlabour

Is this about the Labour Sex camp. Sounds like it

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105222688/dame-margaret-bazley-to-release-report-into-law-firm-russell-mcveaghs-culture
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July 5, 2018 11:12am
rightoverlabour

Bugger the C%^&t has name suppression.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105222563/labour-party-summer-camp-accused-appears
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July 5, 2018 11:15am
- Poppa
  
  That was guaranteed from the start. Disgraceful but certainly predictable
  
  I wonder who the close relative is?
  
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  July 5, 2018 11:41am
  - Batman
    
    Not really disgraceful.
    
    Think about it, it’s a highly political story and a lot of people have barrows to push on it. It’s also a highly sensitive case area which in this case also involves minors.
    
    It’s not particularly surprising that he’s been given interim (not permanent) suppression. Ensuring a fair trial without an accompanying political smear campaign via the internet is vital to ensuring the little creep gets punished fair and square.
    
    I’d suggest that when/if he is found guilty, the name will be revealed.
    
    20 bucks says it isn’t an MPs family member, but rather one of those arrogant “I’m so woke I should be allowed to hook up with you” types which you get in these lefty circles.
    
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    July 5, 2018 12:18pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Bugger the C%^&t has name suppression.
  
  Who, “Prominent New Zealander” of Northland? I know, it sucks a big one.
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:30pm
alex Masterley

And you are surprised?
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July 5, 2018 11:31am
Cobolt24

A man who beat up an elderly person in the middle of the street whilst damaging cars has died in custody, it appears they didn’t know each other.

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/police-investigate-death-man-following-arrest

Good riddance I say!
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July 5, 2018 11:37am
starboard

Clark. Get back on your broomstick and fuck off. We hate and despise you with a passion.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/105256185/eden-park-concert-spat-helen-clark-fires-back-at-sir-ray-averys-fall-from-grace-comments
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July 5, 2018 12:24pm
- Viking2
  
  Here’s the comments on FB.
  https://www.facebook.com/Stuff.co.nz/posts/10156628451949268?comment_id=10156628626974268&reply_comment_id=10156630714264268&notif_id=1530733790315997&notif_t=feed_comment_reply
  
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  July 5, 2018 8:38pm
gorse

I am delighted that Kim Dotcom has lost his appeal. It is now with Andrew Little. He must do the right thing and deport him to the USA. Ever since he interfered with our elections a while ago I have been keen to see him gone. F—- John Key, remember that? F—- Dotcom off you go.
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July 5, 2018 12:26pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Little deporting him would be doing the “right” thing, yes, but only in the political sense. My money would be on him doing the “left” thing, which would be to recognise Dotcom’s mistreatment by the previous government and refuse to agree to extradition.
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:28pm
  - Happychappy
    
    That would be Labour and its goons that follow them rightous attitude when they break the law that’s their entitlement but if National are seen in their view to mistreat a criminal he should let off. Darren Hughes is a great example. The fat kraut is a criminal so was Darren Hughes.
    
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    July 5, 2018 4:09pm
    - sooty
      
      Did Angry visit the mansion?
      
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      July 5, 2018 5:46pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Hey, deporting him will bring down our high obesity average!
  
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  July 5, 2018 1:45pm
sooty

Snaggletooth must be loseing friends after running down a charity like that one. With her free travel and perks she could always leave town. Maybe she’s complaining, so the hotwater bottle is not kept awake.
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July 5, 2018 12:29pm
Anne Glen Eden

It would be difficult to come across someone with the ability to conflate and distort the truth more than Kyle MacDonald does in my opinion. I don’t know how ‘successful’ he is as a therapist but I think he both needs a new day job and should stay well away from social policy. Once again, some basic facts are largely true.

He quotes: “’There is no such thing as a baby, there is a baby and someone.’ – conveys the idea that psychologically babies don’t exist without a caregiver. In those early days there is only the child-parent pairing, and that is how it should be.” He also states “… there is no such thing as a “naughty child”. There is a distressed child and a family. This is not some wrongheaded way of dismissing destructive, dangerous or hurtful behaviours, [which he is doing] but we need to see that behaviour for what it is. Not a sign of an inherently “naughty” or BAD child, but expressions of distress that need to be understood, more often than not from a child that needs help.” That is, ‘distressed’ people act out – as children, as adults.

That ‘distress’ however can derive from almost unlimited forms from “death and loss, workplace stress, financial troubles, normal parental conflict” to absent parents (whether literally or figuratively), clear abuse and neglect, overly strict discipline, or no boundaries at all. And that continues to apply to adults in society.

Let’s be clear – there is no possible way of preventing ‘distressed’ children, as the result of parental behaviour/attitudes, and it starts at the moment of conception. If there is no guarantee of ‘undistressed’ children from the womb, by the mother (and by extension, the father), there really is zero chance of preventing it with anyone else, ever – especially the wider society.

Some children are luckier than others but there is no society which has ever existed without problem behaviour and they never will. It’s a given – for a multiplicity of reasons. The absolute best humanity can provide is mitigation and remediation, the latter covering all aspects from the deeply personal to the wider social. It’s a simple and unfortunate truth that humanity steadfastly will not even act to provide even the most basic protection to children in any case. And that’s without considering any biologically predetermined problems, especially in the brain. Because children (and adults) ‘act out’ when distressed MAY mean they are not ‘inherently bad’ – but some of them have been made that way.

Those displaying the ‘dark triad’ of Narcissism (grandiosity, pride, egotism, a lack of empathy; Machiavellianism (manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception); and Psychopathy (continuing antisocial behaviour, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness) – are not just unpleasant; they’re actively dangerous, distressed or not. More to the point, like rabid dogs, they spread their dangerousness and distress to the rest of society, eagerly and at will.

I’ve dealt with psychologists about ‘distressed’ youth. One of the most revealing situations was when one of them reported on an assessment that nothing could be done. When I questioned that, he took the time to get a bit more precise – lots of things (not all) can be ‘done’ and/or problems ‘fixed’ given endless time and resources. That time and those resources are such that they are not, never have been, and never will be available to the extent which would be required to effect a meaningful improvement in individuals.

Kyle MacDonald says, “But what I wonder is, why is it at some nominal point we stop seeing children as influenced, and even harmed by their environments, and decide that as an adult they just need to be responsible, or we’ll lock them up, and in some cases throw away the key? If we accept there is no such thing as a naughty child, why do we still cling to the idea of a bad adult?”

Firstly, some children can be born with biological problems. Secondly, a society in which parents are always ‘good’ is not going to happen. Thirdly, no matter where the behaviour derives from, some child/adult behaviour is very ‘bad’. Fourthly, some behaviour is not only ‘bad’, it can’t be allowed to continue. The fact that it is allowed to continue just spreads the damage to everyone else, as do ‘bad’ parents inflicting avoidable harm on their children.

Where I do agree with him is in rejecting the idea of locking them up and throwing away the key. Some of them definitely should not be alive – in fact, I’d say after either animal torture, deliberate murder (particularly when associated with things like mutilation – like Clayton Weatherston) and perhaps after the ‘three strikes’, let alone after several dozen convictions for violent crime.

I can hear howls of atheistic rage (and some Christian), but I invite scrutiny of a teaching of the early Hebrews from Jonathan Sacks who I consider one of the wisest people on the planet. It isn’t only that it’s rational; it takes account of all very real humanity. It may be it should have limited and very careful use, given the inherent unreliability of the ‘justice’ system, but it deals with reality rather than morally bankrupt PC fantasy.

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2997939/jewish/Retribution-and-Revenge.htm
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July 5, 2018 12:32pm
- GoVege
  
  When I started at the bottom of KB, and started scrolling up…and up…and up…and….I knew it had to be our Annie! 🙂 🙂 🙂
  
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  July 5, 2018 12:57pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Considering the quality inherent in her writing, I suggest she submit a piece to one of these journals:
    Uncensored
    Investigate
    New Zealand Voice
    
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    July 5, 2018 2:54pm
- jcuk
  
  Too long Anne … sorry
  
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  July 5, 2018 2:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gee, remember when our top psychologists told us that young children don’t lie?

Now, it appears that young children do…
and what’s more, it’s good for them to lie.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018652139/why-children-lie-and-how-to-deal-with-it-psychologist-penny-van-burgen

Tell that to Peter Ellis.
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July 5, 2018 2:05pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  It’s more of the dangerous ‘pop’ psychology, Maggy.
  
  The title says ‘how to deal with it’. As usual, the article doesn’t do that at all. It moralises at parents not to react severely to lying – of the usual PC variety that to value ‘honesty’ is ‘wrong’.
  
  At least it hopes they’ll bother to find out the ‘truth’ to ascertain just how damaging the lying might be or what it may be covering up. But, basically, it implies it’s normal for everyone to lie, particularly about ‘personal’ things (like alcohol & drugs???), parents should just let it go, and that children will develop some form of moral compass with no guidance. Yeah, right.
  
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  July 5, 2018 2:35pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Children lying is excellent for their mental development – figuring out what others want to hear, remembering what information they have, judging what they might believe, assessing risk and reward, effectively improving their modelling of others actions. Being punished for lying helps them improve that skillset.
    
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    July 5, 2018 3:05pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Good lying seems to be related to intelligence
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/opinion/sunday/children-lying-intelligence.html
    
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    July 5, 2018 3:16pm
- GoVege
  
  Poor Pete.
  He’ll be 6 feet under before the government compensates him for his horrendous ordeal.
  Here’s a dude who really deserves GiveaLittle.
  Didn’t one of the poor female childcare workers initially charged die shortly afterwards?
  What the innocent endure because of greed and hidden agendas.
  That was truly a modern day witch hunt.
  
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  July 5, 2018 3:29pm
- Monique Watson
  
  At the dinner table we have a game. “Two truths, One Lie.” Everyone gets a turn at saying two true things that happened during the day and mixing it up with a bogus statement. Keeps all five kids at the dinner table and limits the squabbling. And it’s good for the emotional development to be aware that your mind can’t be read.
  
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  July 5, 2018 9:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gives you some insight into how your offsprings’ minds work Could come in handy when one of them has to explain why your new car has a large scratch and dent.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:20pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Ha! Oldest already tried it out with his new bike. Got T-boned while biking to In-N-Out Burger:
      “Mom! I looked both ways crossing the trail but the guy in front of me didn’t stop”. And then the other dude just rode into me.
      Me; smelling bullshit, “Were you texting and riding by any chance”?
      And he’s already asking to drive Hubby’s Beamer. He’s probably got a better chance than me of getting behind the wheel as Hubs is still bruised about me touch parking the Chevy 🙂 multiple times.
      Shitty death. I don’t know how I’m going to survive the teenage years and the loin-fruit learning to drive. Still.
      We survived. I remember the High School years and piling into my mates Ford with the rule of thumb being, there were enough seats if you could still get oxygen.
      
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      July 5, 2018 9:40pm
Happychappy

I see that there has been a increased tax take and lower unemployment for the May 2018 budget and sweet cheeks is putting it down to his prudent financial management.
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July 5, 2018 3:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

2 nights of rioting/mob violence in Nantes following police shooting of a young man.
https://www.lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2018/07/05/a-nantes-colere-et-vives-tensions-apres-la-mort-d-un-jeune-homme_5326039_1653578.html

https://www.rt.com/news/431752-police-nantes-violence-outbreak/
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July 5, 2018 4:16pm
- Longknives
  
  That Diversity Dividend continues to ‘Enrich’ Western Europe..
  
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  July 5, 2018 4:21pm
Inandout

https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/business/technology/tesla-electric-cars-no-cleaner-than-petrol-rivals/news-story/2e5f4e93a9be049e0d619489250c81b9

But, but, the Greens promised Tesla are the best thing since sliced bread, and their fan club is huge.
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July 5, 2018 5:18pm
- realityczech
  
  You think that is bad? I bought a (solar powered) boat for driving around the city after the Greens told me it would be underwater!
  
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  July 5, 2018 6:32pm
DigNap15

There is a nice photo on Stuff of the guy that died after being tasered 4 times.
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July 5, 2018 5:25pm
- Longknives
  
  “Family members described him as a “family man with a big heart”. ”
  
  For Fuck’s Sake- He was kicking an elderly man to death on the bloody street!
  What utter nonsense…The Media and various Left Wing Politicians are now going to portray this vicious mongrel as ‘Angelic’ (As they have an Agenda to ban the Taser)
  He was clearly scum.
  Good fucking Riddance.
  
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  July 5, 2018 6:26pm
  - DigNap15
    
    May be it will teach other people to give up when they have been tasered once.
    
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    July 5, 2018 6:44pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The old dude he punched in the street and then kicked unconscious is 76 years old. The scum was 28 or 29. No great loss to society.
    
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    July 5, 2018 6:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I wonder if he will be autopsied?
    
    Strikes me that he may have had some nasty chemical raging through his system.
    
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    July 5, 2018 9:24pm
    - Jack5
      
      I’m not a policeman. I don’t know how you would subdue someone vigorously resisting arrest. Is there a technique that isn’t taught at NZ’s police academy? (If it’s a matter of study time they could shorten Diversity 101).
      
      In some countries someone vigorously resisting arrest might just be shot, or have their skull broken with a baton.
      
      This isn’t the first such fatal tasering in NZ.
      
      There was a 53-year-old man, sought for allegedly assaulting his father. The man sought was described at a subsequent court hearing as morbidly obese.
      
      He wouldn’t get out of his car. Ten police officers turned up, and the man was bitten by a police dog and sprayed with pepper spray – as well as being tasered twice.
      
      He “became unresponsive” after he fell out of the car and police were securing his hands behind his back, and died.
      
      Four police officers were charged, but found not guilty of assaulting the man.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11814989
      
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      July 5, 2018 9:58pm
nasska

A man complains to his local MP about immigration.

“My brother & his wife were kidnapped by Somalian pirates!”

“I’m sorry to hear that,” the politician replied, “But I don’t see how you can blame that on our immigration policy.”

“Really?” was the retort. “They were on the Hamilton Lake at the time.”
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July 5, 2018 7:08pm
sooty

The Christchurch Council spend $1.245 milloin on the wall!
I say sack the lot of them!
No investigation yet.
Sack the lot of them!
Investigate after they are gone.
Sack the lot of them!
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July 5, 2018 8:28pm
Viking2

The Acting Prime Minister has confirmed that he is claiming the new $700 Winter Energy Payment, available to anyone over 65.

Winston Peters says it’s about principle – he supports universal welfare, so he’ll take his slice. We say, if it is about principle, why not take the payment and donate it to charity? But the thought apparently hasn’t crossed his mind, so Mr Peters is set to enjoy his $700 annual payment as extra whiskey pocket money.

On top of a $334,000 taxpayer-funded salary, the $18,000 NZ Super, and a gold-plated Parliamentary super scheme (understood to be around $100,000 per year), taking up the extra payment which is meant to help those who can’t afford the winter power bill is brazen.
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July 5, 2018 8:48pm
Monique Watson

The old dude is still in serious condition in hospital. While Stuff are running bleeding heart stories about the tasered perp.
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July 5, 2018 9:03pm
Monique Watson

Fucking Hell. Helen Clark thinks she’s above and beyond after a stint at the UN. What the fuck is wrong with concerts at Eden Park? Perfect venue. Shit. I roamed there with my kids last time we were back and it would be awesome if you could access it during the day and adults could attend concerts at night. Better than a waste of money building a stadium on the Waterfront.
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July 5, 2018 10:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Political Roundup: Kiwibuild is now ‘socialism for the rich’ – NZ Herald

… Just some of the problems … crudely and vainly endeavouring to prop up a bubble … at the cost and risk of taxpayers …

Political Roundup: Kiwibuild is now ‘socialism for the rich’ – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12083683

If there was any excitement brewing at being able to enter a lottery to buy an affordable Kiwibuild house, it was certainly short-lived, as further details revealed that the “lottery of birth” has probably already scuttled most people’s chances. Disappointment is setting in as more people realise that the scheme is really only going to benefit the rich. This is because the houses are priced so high that few will be able to afford to even enter the final ballot for them. What’s more, many are asking why the income caps have been pitched so high that the scheme seems destined to be dominated by rich buyers who are after a good investment. … read more via hyperlink above …

Ardern’s Kiwibuild program descends further into farce – MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/arderns-kiwibuild-program-descend-farce/

Governments housing idiocy since Christmas … Hugh Pavletich

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/General%20June.html
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