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KiWombat

I always used to think that we could achieve gender equality when we were able to elect to public office women who were as incompetent as some of the men already there !

Once again New Zealand has shown the world its global influence by being first to reach this zenith – I can die a happy man !
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July 31, 2018 8:02am
kevn

@KiW… coalition of losers and liars seem to have achieved that goal easily.
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July 31, 2018 8:03am
hullkiwi

Peters, the mouth moves and he can’t help himself.

You can see he is level headed, he drips vitriol from both sides of his mouth.

Those heavy chips on his shoulders explains why he is a dwarf.
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July 31, 2018 8:04am
Than

Real-time facial recognition technology is almost here. I would have two comments on this.

First, attempting to prevent facial recognition being introduced is futile, King Canute trying to hold back the tide. The potential benefits are too great, there are two many countries and agencies that want it, and too many companies working on it. We need to instead be focusing on how it is used and preventing abuse.

That leads to my second point – a large portion of the potential ethical issues with facial recognition are not from the technology itself but from people assuming it to be infallible. It isn’t. The technology is far from perfect, and law enforcement agencies need to realize this. A facial recognition match alone must not be treated as proof of guilt. It should be an indicative tool only, required to be backed up by either humans viewing the images or more traditional forms of evidence. A person should not be able to be charged (or even given a fine) on facial recognition evidence alone.

Thankfully this issue could well solve itself. Once facial recognition starts to be tested in court, defense lawyers will have an easy time demonstrating the high false positive rate. In a best case scenario judges will acknowledge the limits of the technology, and after a few criminal cases get thrown out and a few civil fines get dismissed, authorities will be forced to start using facial recognition in an appropriate manner.
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July 31, 2018 8:08am
- Simon
  
  “defense lawyers will have an easy time demonstrating the high false positive rate. In a best case scenario judges will acknowledge the limits of the technology,”
  
  This wont happen as in the future all lawyers will be robots.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:17am
  - backster
    
    Nah the whole system is set up by lawyers to reward lawyers, that’s why it’s little changed from the dark ages.
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:35am
- Gerrit
  
  Wait till the world population is controlled by everything one does. Facial recognition is one part of that.
  
  The great China Social Credit System.
  
  Bad ranking? No public transport.
  Bad ranking? No internet access.
  Bad ranking? No jobs of note.
  Bad ranking? Public shaming and humiliation.
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4?r=US&IR=T
  
  Creepy, creepy, creepy.
  
  Yet not reported in the wider press. Could it be that this will be exported to the whole world ?
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:45am
  - dime
    
    aint big government awesome? go lefties!
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      dime, put on your tin foil hat paranoid posture!
      
      You’re marked as a legitimate biosecurity pest marked for extinction
      
      LOL
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:53am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Just love your work!
        
        Those LOL’s are timeless aren’t they!
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:05am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    If that did happen here, people might not care that it was intrusive but they would definitely attack it for being racist.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:41am
    - I Hate Wordpress
      
      Even if it wasn’t.
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:51am
  - emmess
    
    Watch the Black Mirror episode titled ‘Nosedive’.
    Prophetic.
    
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    July 31, 2018 12:44pm
- I Hate Wordpress
  
  It’s not just use and misuse of the technology itself, but how data is stored. Change name & move town to avoid an abusive ex for example, bam, there you are in a data base under your old name for any xyz employee to see.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:50am
Monique Watson

First day of practice for my son. American Football. He’s 6ft3″ at the age of fourteen and as aggressive as fuck so we have high hopes. Dad played rugby and represented Central Otago and they’re practicing receiving every day.
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July 31, 2018 8:09am
- KiWombat
  
  Sounds like you’ve been feeding him plenty of Weet Bix Monique !
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:11am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Yeah! We get Wee-Bix here! I remember shelf stocking the local New World when I was a teenager and there was a mountain of Weetbix! And sure enough it’s our kids favourite breakfast. That and Marmite or Vegemite on toast.
    Our fav trick to play on Americans is to get them to try Marmite. The nose wrinkles and the eyes open wide:
    “How can you eat this stuff”?
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:29am
    - holysheet
      
      How come he’s over six foot then?
      I have been eating the same stuff for over 60 years and I am still only 5.10.
      They may be right when they say too much grog stunts your growth.
      
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      July 31, 2018 8:33am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Helps the mental powers though right? And helps to coin a good turn of phrase. As long as you take your Vit B. Otherwise you end up sitting in your local RSA or Country Club with a big ole red nose. Repeating the same joke over and over.
        
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        July 31, 2018 8:46am
      - Viking2
        
        Short man syndrome. The rest of us know about people like you. 😆
        Friends with Winston, Rowling,Key etc. 😆
        
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        July 31, 2018 8:57am
      - GoVege
        
        Nah, it’s the Scandinavian genes, not the weetbix.
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:03am
  - VicParking
    
    Weet-A-Bix I hope
    
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    July 31, 2018 12:46pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Good luck to him Monique. I bet he’s got his sledging sorted as well ?
  Let us know how he gets on.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:21am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Will do lol. Latest sledge: Oldest, Ozy says:
    “Axel, (2nd oldest son) is kind of like a football, that kind of funny shape. Rounded in the middle and no legs”
    Me: ” Go easy. He’s twelve. Everyone is fat when they are twelve”.
    Axel: “Mom! Are you calling me fat”?
    Me: “Yes”.
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:51am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Tell Axel he’d make a great rugby hooker. ?
      
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      July 31, 2018 8:58am
      - holysheet
        
        Is that like John Whore changing his name to John Grenell to not upset the yanks?
        
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        July 31, 2018 9:03am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Will do 🙂
        
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        July 31, 2018 9:59am
      - Monique Watson
        
        His Dad played hooker 🙂
        
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        July 31, 2018 4:05pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        That’s OK Monique, as long as you didn’t 😉
        
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        July 31, 2018 5:28pm
- softail 1450
  
  MW, size and aggression helps but that game calls for a bit of “smarts”to really endure and be sucessfull,I’m sure you have passed that on to him so should be great.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:26am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Yeah. He’s really smart. Was picked as gifted and talented in NZ but you have to sit a test here which is administered universally at 2nd Grade. If you drop on one of the categories which my son did as he has an unusual intelligence profile, you don’t get the GATE ticket. You just get harassed. Had to run interference for him in 5th Grade. He got told he needed to get on better with other kids and participate in groups. He looked at me and said, ” Mom. If they were all as intelligent as me I would get on with them”!
    Smart as a whip and not a touch of arrogance about him. Top of the board on CS GO.
    Okay that’s my geek-self leaking out. Haven’t had a decent first person shooter game since HALO. Have to live vicariously through my son. Hoping his skills will translate to the field.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:56am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  American Football: A game played by men with odd shaped balls.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    Whats the difference to our game?
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:32am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      When American football players get a testicle ripped out they don’t just stitch it up and carry on playing.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:46am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Rugby has been described as a very similar game to American Football, but the main difference being that Rugby is played by men.
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:49pm
- dime
  
  keep an eye on any concussions!
  
  apart from that, good luck to him!
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:05am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, concussion is a bastard. It changed one of my sons’ lives for the worse. He had to pull out of uni for a year and took over 3 years to come right (well 90% of the way there).
    
    And that happened playing a non-contact sport, while wearing a helmet.
    
    Helmets don’t help as much as they should.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:48am
    - Monique Watson
      
      Thanks Dime and that sucks cmm. Good luck to your son. I hhave faith that shit always works out for the best after I survived a massive intracerebral hemorrhage. Fully paralysed and had to learn to walk again. And take a shit without assistance initially. Never believe your luck runs out.
      And that sentiment didn’t come from the stroke. It came from the day a tornado demoed or did a shit-ton of damage on every house on a street in Taranaki except for my rental property and the same day I got a consent extension by Wellington City Council, the fuckers.
      Never believe your luck runs out.
      Praying for the COL luck to run out though.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:06am
      - cmm
        
        Thanks Monique, inspiring.
        
        Yup, I don’t mean to put a damper on your son’s aspirations – just to go into it all with his eyes open.
        
        I believe they have banned the worst issues in gridiron like using your head as a battering ram, which will help.
        
        My son’s injury was a fluke. Very few people get concussion from field hockey (probably one a year or so in the whole of NZ). His was a very bad case – knocked out cold for 3 minutes – probably only one case that bad in NZ once every 5 years or so.
        
        At the end of the day shit happens whatever you do. I’m currently in a moonboot with a broken leg after falling down the stairs at home.
        
        You might as well get on with life, coz life’s going to happen even if you stay indoors!
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:35am
  - softail 1450
    
    dime ,”keep an eye on concussions” case in point,
    septicboy,he must have suffered dozens of them going by his comments.
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:44pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Yeah – headbutted by jealous billy goats 😉
      
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      July 31, 2018 5:30pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The way you write does not come across as the average south Aucklander or have I missed that?
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:08am
  - Monique Watson
    
    I’m from the ‘Naki. Can catch, guy and fillet a fish and throw a gumboot. Have had to translate those skills over here.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:28am
    - Monique Watson
      
      I mean gut a fish. Fuck. Fat Fingers syndrome. Haven’t even been into the whiskey as I have to cook dinner. And we don’t keep whiskey in the house as anything alcoholic ends up down my neck. Half a doz beers for cooking maybe. Husband makes a mean beer batter. And wine for special occasions. Which I try not to interpret as days ending in ‘y’.
      You can only do your best, right? Keep your fingernails short and wash behind your ears.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:53am
      - Zapper
        
        I think I love you
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:11pm
KiWombat

Let’s dig the TripeWriter out of bed early today !
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July 31, 2018 8:09am
- GazzaW
  
  He’s busy feeding his squirrels right now.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:32am
  - niggly
    
    He could be a very rich man if he stopped farming squirrels and instead farmed rats – the COL would even buy up his dead rats to swallow by the train load!
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:46am
Liberty

“Peters hit back, likening Howard’s comments to Russia’s meddling in the US election.
“We don’t get very enthusiastic when people come from overseas and start telling us how to run our country”
That’s because Col’s like minded comrades. Stalin,lenin,Mao, Mugabe,Che,Castro and Goff’s buddy Arafat are all dead.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105870348/winston-peters-still-firing-salvoes-on-the-way-out
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July 31, 2018 8:10am
- holysheet
  
  Yeh but they still have Venezuelan President Maduro to show them how it’s done.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:21am
  - igm
    
    Reckon Maduro will, over time, prove to be better than Crockery, Toxic Gnome, and Wellington Fairy.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:28am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Question:
  So, winnie, on this count, re meddling.
  You must be calling for Hipkins resignation or even arrest, regarding his interference in Australian politics, before the election?
  Where he used his parliamentary position to aid the Australian Labor party, around the issue of citizenship of Aussie MP’s.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:27am
- Philview
  
  The Otago Daily Times editorial was as impartial as ever this morning letting rip on Simon Bridges and admiring the brilliance of Jacinda Ardern.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/national-burning-its-bridges
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Assume Clare Curren wrote the ODT editorial.
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:36am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Don’t think so, it wasn’t in crayon.
      
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      July 31, 2018 8:47am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Even the ODT is smart enough to edit out the crayon as well as the emojis.
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:13am
  - niggly
    
    The ODT editorial opines that Bridges claimed “he did not remember the details of Mr Howard’s time in office” …. is that the same as when Jacinda used to gush how she worked in Tony Blair’s office but now it is no longer fashionable for the Left to like Blair, she now does not remember having much to do with Tony Blair at the time and is rather vague on details when pressed? 🙂
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:56am
  - Liberty
    
    Just another rant by a Col apologist.
    The reporting from the National party conference by the media has been appalling.
    All we have heard is Bridgers, Key and Howard did a speech. 2days and 600 delegates
    And that’s all we are told.
    But they did fill there papers with just another suck up to Col article.
    about a video from the nursery about some non entity and her baby.
    No wonder the media is treated with contempt.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:30am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Time to start fighting back
      Democracy is a participation sport, as against politics, which is a spectator sport.
      Sign up
      https://www.stopthefueltax.co.nz/
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:37pm
- niggly
  
  So Winnie held it together over these last few weeks acting gracefully as Acting PM – now in his last few days in that role he is reverting back to form!
  
  What additional insults will we hear today and tomorrow?
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Odd that Peters didn’t think of that when he told Australia to change its flag last week. His hypocrisy is showing.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    His hiprocracy is showing again.
    
    You are welcome, I am sure that you would do the same for me.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:15am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Sorry, spell check sort of killed that.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:22am
- Niz
  
  Like JAG?
  
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  August 1, 2018 12:19pm
waikatogirl

No respect on TV3 for Lucy Lawless about her tweet stating that she wouldn’t be offended if she saw a kiwi burning the NZ National flag. She said she would think that person was upset and the flag is only a piece of rag, so nobody gets hurt.
Burning our flag, a symbol of NZ shows no respect for our country, for those who fought under it, and for every kiwi who loves NZ. Burning our flag is an insult.

Lawless is a Greens voter so nothing else needs to be added. Idiot.
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July 31, 2018 8:14am
- Huevon
  
  Light a LGBT rainbow on fire and watch Lawless and her leftie flag-burning mates completely lose their shit.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:26am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    or a tino rangitiratanga flag
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:00am
    - graham
      
      Good point, I suspect THAT would cause an uproar.
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:03am
    - Huevon
      
      It’s only a piece of rag, What could they be concerned about?
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:08am
- GazzaW
  
  How about Lawless does us all a favour and burns her Kiwi passport.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    Assume the hag has a US passport too !
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Burn Lawless at the stake, really effective 400 years ago
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:24am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      actually, I read somewhere that “witch burning” was actually quite rare.
      They generally used to hang them.
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:39pm
      - MH
        
        like ginga bikkies, dunking best.
        
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        August 2, 2018 11:53am
- graham
  
  I could well be wrong, but I believe that it is actually illegal to destroy the New Zealand flag with the intent of dishonouring it. Although maybe the law has been repealed, or is effectively trumped by the Bill of Rights or similar?
  
  Does anybody know for sure?
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:43am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The case is Hopkinson v Police. The court used the Bill of Rights to basically overturn the law passed by Parliament and said that burning the flag as part of a protest is not ‘intent to dishonour it’. What sort of conduct would count as intent to dishonour the flag is left unresolved, but probably nothing would.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:02am
  - Philview
    
    What about a certain Maori activist shooting it in 2005? I recall the police turning a blind eye, A Labour Government unwilling to act, an eventual conviction for unlawful discharge of a firearm which was eventually over turned.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:10am
    - starboard
      
      Iti.. The piece of shit should have been hung.
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:41am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Aljazeera doing a doco on him, calling him a leader and statesman ffs
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:15pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      BUT auntie helen wanted a man charged with sedition, for putting an axe through her electorate office window. The difference here is????
      OOHH I’ve got it.
      Clark saw herself and the state as the same thing.
      Much like a little guy with a short mustache about 80 yrs ago.
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:44pm
- DigNap15
  
  And to think I used to think she was hot!
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:47am
- niggly
  
  The NZ flag represents all NZer’s (no matter what ethnicity one is etc), not just the Govt. So in effect Ms Lawless is denigrating all Kiwis.
  
  Oh and ironically the “Left” rallied to keep the existing NZ flag during the Flag Referendum … so is Ms Lawless now offside with her own supporters or is she just a shallow minded hypocrite?
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:00am
  - RalphT
    
    It’s not hard to guess the right answer to that one, niggly.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:15am
- dime
  
  do be fair to lawless, she has been protesting hardcore lately!
  
  she was all over the media just a week ago when the no cameras on fishing boats thing happened. before that when the marine sanctuary was nixed. also when the chinese water bottling plant was upgraded in size by the greens, she went feral.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:08am
  - Huevon
    
    No man in her life presumably
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:25am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Can always take the batteries out of the tv remote . . . .
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:26am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Why?
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:14pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        I’m with Rachael. Honestly guys, you can take apart her [contradictory] and slightly silly political/green views, but it would be nice if you stayed away from the misogyny. Ta.
        
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        July 31, 2018 4:03pm
  - MickMac
    
    But, she was correct on all those issues.
    Watermelons….
    
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    July 31, 2018 12:26pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Fucking traitor.
  
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  July 31, 2018 11:47am
flipper

Peters better PM than Ardern – Hosking.
Geez Christ on a bike.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.
As always with this idiot mob, one bullshiter has was replaced by another bullshiter who will in turn hand back the 10th Floor to the original bullshiter.
All this shows that with the help of MSM idiots, the Peters-Ardern-poofie pile of dung wins !!!

Lord help us. We cannot help ourselves.
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July 31, 2018 8:15am
- Longknives
  
  The trainwreck has continued but I must say Peters was far more assured in the Big Chair than Ardern..
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:58am
- Niz
  
  Apparently, Jacinda has some sort of announcement for us all when she gets back. I hope to Christ it’s not another “We’re nobbling oil and gas!” type of announcement. NZ business confidence will go through the floor if she does that.
  
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  August 1, 2018 12:26pm
Poppa

I never thought I could ever say that Peters is better than anybody, but, he has probably done a far better job as PM than the real one.

Just goes to show how bad she is
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July 31, 2018 8:16am
- Philview
  
  I agree, he has steadied the ship. The Government was a shambles before he came in. It will be interesting to see if things go backwards. I think they will as Peters has managed to keep the focus away from Labour MPs. Once Jacinda is back she will be unwilling to take the heat and we will hear more from those MPs again.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    Peters is off overseas Thursday so assume he will stay away from New Zealand for as long as he can so he cannot be blamed for the phucups that have continued.
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:38am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Now that he has the waka-jumping law back to secure his position, he can go on tax-payer funded holiday for the next 2 years.
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:01am
  - RF
    
    Hey … Ardern is so confident that photos of her flashing her choppers and nursing squirrel is enough to win our hearts back.
    
    My observations confirm that only airheads and dingbats are dumb enough to believe in her.
    
    As for the deputy PM it is embarrising hearing him mumbling and slurring his speech when meeting overseas dignitaries. They must think he is permanently pissed.
    
    To hell with God save the Queen. It’s God save New Zealand.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:49am
    - Philview
      
      Mallard probably wants to remove the word “God”. We will probably be watching the All Blacks soon and find it has been changed. “Comrades of Nations at thy feet”.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Our feet, the union masters demand obedience and servitude.
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:28am
hullkiwi

Lees-Galloway, another inept minister who Doesn’t know what he is doing.

He is yet to master managing the rhetoric (& promises of opposition/election time) with form coherent policy & giving leadership to immigration policy.

Instead when a student fraud scam involving Indian students (yet again – No surprises there) we get “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil”, is it because he cannot think?
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July 31, 2018 8:16am
- MCos
  
  Sri Lankan students
  BTW
  Borrowing other people’s money to demonstrate that one has the wherewithal required to qualify for a visa is by no means confined to people from that part off the the world.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Via a Finance company in Mumbai. The reports that 83 out of 88 applicants checked had used the scam. The fear is there are more, & there are “students” here without the means to support themselves & could be potential victims of exploitation.
    
    Well done, not. Both National & Labour have dirty hands on this as the student visa policy pre dates the Key government & neither the Clark or Key govt were prepared to do anything. Supposedly, because of the benefit to the NZ economy.
    
    Equally, NZ is not the only country to be weak when it comes to the student/visa/immigration scams. I saw the same in the UK when one of my clients was an International Private Education company. They regularly had students who had the visas, arrived in the UK, enrolled (as they were required to do) & were never to be seen again.
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like dishonest entry is the surest way to get into and remain in NZ.
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/362997/sri-lankan-visa-scam-revealed-but-no-review-of-past-applications
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:35am
  - MCos
    
    Plenty of foreigners from NZ, UK, US etc have used fraudulent documentation to obtain long term visas of one sort or other to live in Thailand.
    People are only aware of cases such as these Bangladeshis because it effects NZ.
    If I personally know people who have rorted the system in other countries I’m sure the practice is widespread.
    I don’t think we have any right to adopt a ‘holier than thou’ attitude.
    
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    July 31, 2018 11:25am
    - ross411
      
      What are you talking about?
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:50pm
holysheet

Kim Jong Un is sitting in his office. He proudly tells his advisors:
“North Korea will be the first country to send people to the sun!”
His advisors break out in applause. Meanwhile Winston is watching this live on TV. He calls Kim Jong Un and asks him:
“How are you going to send people to the sun? It’s too hot!”
Kim Jong Un replies by saying to his advisors:
“What an idiot! We can send them at night!”
His advisors break out in applause.
On hearing this Winston says to his caucus colleagues:
“What an idiot!…
There is no sun at night!”
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July 31, 2018 8:17am
- Fletch
  
  First relayed message from astronauts to visit the Sun – “Ow! oww! Oww! Oww! Hot!”
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:47am
oldpark

Now we will see Dictator Peters Waka jumping bill will over-rule all of NZs voting rights. Whats the point of voting. seems even electoral MPs can get dumped under Peters Waka jumping bill. If they for some reason cause hurty feeling to Peters and other Party Leaders.What price Democracy.
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July 31, 2018 8:18am
- KevOB
  
  Where is NZ’s waka jumping Bill?
  
  Peters announced in his electoral choice speech that he had gone full anti-capitalist. Who would have voted for him and his party if that had been stated earlier?
  We need rights to fix rogue govts too.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:55am
peterwn

Trying to think why Peter Goodfellow (Nats President) took a swipe at Winston’s smoking and drinking habits the other day. As much as I detest Winston, highlighting these habits and speculating on his health is below belt stuff. Anyway in his circumstances a bit of whiskey seems to do him good (similar to Guinness easing constipation and otherwise being good for you).
I can only think of one thing – Peter Goodfellow wants to try and put out of reach any thought that National would do a deal with Winston. Hence Winston would be doubly unhappy with this, both with the comment itself and that the comment effectively helps depower him with respect to Labour.
Nicolas Machiavelli would be proud.
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July 31, 2018 8:21am
- kevn
  
  @peterwn… Yes, total own goal from Goodfellow. Just gave winnie media oxygen. Stupid comments.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:29am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Journalist: “Mr Peters are you a swiller or a sipper?”
    
    It was worth it just to see the look on Peters face. ? ?
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Short-term own goal, but in the long run, National distancing themselves from Peters is a good strategic move.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:06am
- Gravelroad
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  With National it seems to be all about National and to heck with the poor sods out here struggling to see a way forward.
  They wouldn’t sign up with Peters because they didn’t like him. They chose their own Party’s “feelings” over what might have been in the Nation’s best interests in the medium to long term election cycle.
  They circled the wagons against Peters and said they couldn’t possibly work with him because of his unreasonable demands which Labour gave him anyway to get the governance power.
  Would NZ as a whole be any worse off now if National had got down from its high horse and done a deal with Peters?
  And no, I am not a NZF supporter at all and would never support them at the ballot box.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:48am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Peters never had any intention of working with National. He was too intent on getting Utu against National for past issues he’d caused himself.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:08am
    - MCos
      
      Maybe so. I wouldn’t know about that, but the Nats most certainly would have formed a coalition with NZF given the chance.
      
      As I recall Jim Bolger said Winston was a joy to work with, before he sided with Ardern. Now Smith is effectively saying he was an arsehole.
      
      Winston should only be a bit player in NZ politics, but he certainly causes plenty of fear & loathing because the high & mighty can’t pin him down.
      
      Be interesting to see the NZF polling after the Nats tried to skewer him.
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:52am
    - KevOB
      
      The delay in announcement is typical of Peters theatrics.
      
      We need boat hopping provisions too. Peters went full anti-capitalism in his COL selection speech. Who would have voted NZF if that speech had been made earlier?
      
      Now we have a Parliament where the leader of the Labour Party, Jacinda, holds their appointment under union voting rights. Where also, MP’s can be swapped out by their parties and the people have no say.
      
      Where is the peoples control? We seem to have been left with only the Gov. General or the Army to intervene against a rogue government. We have no legal redress.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:20am
    - Monique Watson
      
      Absofuckinglutly. A lot of bad blood between Peters and English.
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:51am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “With National it seems to be all about National and to heck with the poor sods out here struggling to see a way forward.”
    and what dream world have you been in.
    Under National
    Wages up against inflation
    tax down (more money in your pocket IF YOU WORK)
    First rise in welfare for 40years
    No strikes
    falling health waiting list
    etc etc
    All in the face of labour leaving
    NO MONEY (“the cupboard is bare)
    A year long recession (Before the GFC)
    Forecast deficits for as far as could be seen.
    Kiwi rail dog, that they spent OUR money on, to the tune of 3x what it was worth.
    Not to mention Chch earthquake and the GFC
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And stops right-leaning voters from backing NZF.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:05am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That was arguably why we have CoL now:
    3-4% of NZF’s 7% election night voters thought that Winston would go National, since he chose labour NZF vote has collapsed to about 3%.
    
    If Nats had said no Winston pre election, then Winston would likely not have got over 5% and Nats would have scored a couple more points as well and could then have governed with Act or alone.
    
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    July 31, 2018 4:50pm
- marcw
  
  Well Peters did refer to National members as jackals earlier in the week, so I guess they won’t be sending Christmas cards (again).
  
  Seems dignified behaviour from an Acting PM?
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:34pm
secondcumming

Is TESLA headed for ‘JUNK’ status?

CNBC report that Tesla’s share price has fallen considerably in the last few months. Of more concern however is that the bond market is now trading one of its subordinated bonds at a whopping 24% discount – that’s $76 per $100 !! Once lenders become concerned and start to lose confidence, particularly if cash-flow is tight and the company needs to raise additional equity, if that can’t be done, then either the business fails or is sold off at a substantial discount in a trade sale.

Watch this space…..
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July 31, 2018 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  Hopefully Fake Book goes the same way with their tanking shares.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:23am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Tesla’s profit margin per vehicle has always been less than their government subsidy per vehicle. Those subsidies are coming to an end. The conclusion should be obvious.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:06am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Do you think that stock holders with $50Billion in equity will risk collapsing the share price when all they need do (worst case scenario, but probably not needed) is to pony up $1-2billion to get Tesla through their short term production scale-up needs?
  
  Tesla is fine for this year and probably next year. It’s 2020 with all the other car companies bringing cheap/good electric vehicles to market that will sink them.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:09am
  - Ed Snack
    
    There could be a turning point. Even if you had $1B tied up and at risk, would you commit a further $100M if you were not at least reasonably confident that the $100M would in fact solve the situation ? There’s the old good money after bad scenario, and it comes down to a matter of confidence.
    
    Perhaps Tesla’s problem is exacerbated by the fact that they’ve made a lot of capital requests and yet still have serious issues. And it is a major problem that the base Model 3 is in standard form unprofitable – the more they build at that spec the more they lose money.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:53am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Look anyone who has invested in Tesla on the assumption that everyone will drive a Tesla because electric vehicles are the future and Tesla makes electric vehicles and VW and Ford don’t really and on the belief that VW is just stupid and if the market moves in that direction they wont adapt is just stupid.
    
    Tesla is not worth 2/3rds of VW, last year VW made 14bn usd in profit and shipped 7mn vehicles (tesla has done what 300K over its entire life), how much did Tesla make, no tesla made nothing, infact they have sent letters to their suppliers demanding a retroactive as far back as two years, cut in the price of their goods.
    
    Furthermore Tesla bills the model 3 a car which at its base price for an extremely stripped down model is 35K (entry luxury car price) as the car for the ‘common man’, unfortunately it gets worse, the car is so stripped down Elon Musk believes that by the time people put their options on it the average sales price ASP will be in the range of 50K usd.
    
    To put it all into perspective 100K entry level luxury car units (cars and suvs) are shipped each year in the states, meanwhile 17mn vehicles total are sold, this puts the entry level luxury car segment at .5% of the market. 0.5% of the market is not mass market. Its probably not even worth the 70bn market cap plus debt that Tesla has outstanding if you looked at the entire planet.
    
    Tesla is not a 70Bn dollar company, probably not even if they had 100% of that market segment world wide and made some money on each car.
    
    They need to make affordable mass market hybrids that touch the 25K base price of a prius if they want to ship volume. Its best to just accept that any money tied up in Tesla is already lost.
    
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    July 31, 2018 12:49pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Don’t disagree. Probably the closest analogue to Tesla at moment is Porsche, who sell about 250k cars a year, and profit about $15k per car (~3billion Euros/year profit), they are probably valued (though part of volkswagen group) at >20x profit which would be $60billion or more.
      
      Teardowns of Tesla cars currently suggest similar profit levels once they get through their production ramp up issues on model 3, but they will soon be undercut by cheaper mass production specialist car companies like toyota who only make about $1k profit per car (or make out like bandits on parts and service, cars might be a loss-leader).
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:03pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Yeah thats a more realistica analouge UN, I just did a 4 second check, turns out VW+Preference shares are about 160, using their last years profit its an earnings multiple of 11, so if they are making 15K per car and selling 250K then its more like 25bn.
        
        But it seems awfully high. I don’t think EVs are anywhere near having such sales volume and profitability anytime soon, especially on the lower end model 3s, sure load it with options and I can see there being that much profit in it, but do that and the model 3 practically doubles in price. And sure production costs can come down, I think that EVs will still be a premium (cost wise) option in 10 years time.
        
        So I think your best assumption would be to look at something like Porsche in the short-medium term, and then look at something like BMW in the longer term (as Ev tech comes down in price) because a BMW 2 Liter sedan costs about 2x a comparable Toyota Camry. But I actually suspect their comps are being done looking at someone like VW. And by the time you do this Telsa is not a 10bn dollar company…
        
        Your absoloutely right, by the time EVs are mass market if that ever happens mass market companies like Toyota and Hyundai and by that time dozens of chinese automakers will all come in and be willing to ship millions of cars at sub 1k profits. And makeup for it on floor mats and services and other things..
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:54pm
Inandout

Gaza Garner should realise we don’t care if a union boat deliberately attempts to send ‘urgent medical supplies’ to Palestine, we don’t care if a member funded union boss is arrested, we don’t care if there is blood on the deck. As for Ruby Lips, get a life you socialist muppet.
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July 31, 2018 8:22am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The union idiot deserves all that is coming to him.
  I hope the Israelis are less nice to him than they were to stupid Marama.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:33am
- DJ Ward
  
  Why shouldn’t a nation be allowed to trade with the outside world?
  
  Oh that’s right! It’s a concentration camp!
  
  They could let the boat land, next to a tank, and audit its cargo, check passports of those who depart.
  But no.
  Logic dictates if no humanitarian aid is permitted then you are inhumane.
  
  You can tell they are an independent nation with the right to govern themselves by the fact they have no voting rights in the Theocracy of Israel.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:47am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Maybe if they stopped antagonising Israel for five minutes thing might improve. At least they didn’t have to put up with Mike Treen that is a real bonus.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:58am
  - alloytoo
    
    That’s precisely what the Israeli government would like to do, however idiots insist on trying to circumvent such sensible procedures…..one wonders why?
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:27am
  - Lance
    
    Do you actually believe the total shit you just wrote?
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    DJ, any of these people can do just that, the Israelis will usually happily allow cargos through that they have freedom to inspect. This whole campaign is to push for uninspected “humanitarian” aid cargos. And that is purely so Hamas can smuggle weapons and related items in.
    
    If they cared about the aid aspect they would readily consent to inspection, but they won’t. Because it isn’t the aid that they actually care about – they ultimately just want to kill Jews.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:57am
    - DJ Ward
      
      Is Isreali imports inspected by palistinians! Just in case its weapons used to kill Palestinians.
      
      Oh the hypocrisy!
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:33am
      - alloytoo
        
        No, because Israel doesn’t illegally fire rockets at random into sovereign nations.
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:28pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Wrong on so many levels.
    
    It’s not even a nation. It’s a vassal territory for all the world’s true anti-semitic nazis, that exists solely as a staging area for dirty muslim terrorists.
    
    They don’t deserve nice things if they can’t bring themselves to stop behaving like savages.
    
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    July 31, 2018 11:36am
- rangitoto
  
  Hopefully the NZ govt will chip in some funds for the prosecution.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:27am
- Fletch
  
  And as for that little shit of a ‘Palestinian” teenager who was shown on the news last night and who is being made out to be a hero after assaulting an Israeli soldier and spending time in jail etc… Her self-righteousness made me want to puke..
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:50am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I understand he was tasered. I am more concerned about the police here tasering a feral goat.
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:40pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    That would upset stupidboy 😉
    
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    July 31, 2018 5:33pm
  - MH
    
    yes, we must be sen to be Fair To All.
    
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    August 2, 2018 12:04pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  What does it have to do with a NZ union?
  
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  July 31, 2018 3:15pm
KiWombat

Cindy – you don’t need to play the genius when you are surrounded by morons !
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July 31, 2018 8:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  In the kingdom of morons, the chip wrapper is the princess!
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:37am
Happychappy

I think Nationals Party President should Play Peters at his own game for the good of Politics. If Peters has something on him wind him up by repeating the statement or get a MP to do it under Parliamentry Priveledge just like Peters has done in the past. If it is a criminal act to do with himself he shouldn’t be in the top job for National and if it is about the Todd Barclay saga call his bluff because most voter are sick of Peters childish games.
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July 31, 2018 8:32am
- Harkman
  
  That Peter Goodfellow, I always thought he won that position in a raffle or something but his comments that National “dodged a whisky-swilling, cigarette-smoking, double-breasted and irrational bullet,” are pure classic. I want to buy that man a drink. ? (I have a new hero).
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:04am
tf78

THIS ONE TAKES THE BISCUIT!

Stuff article yesterday said NZTA is to change “Linemen” signs to “Line Crew” so as not to offend the unfairer sex. There fore in my opinion “Bitumen” will have to be called “Bitches”
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July 31, 2018 8:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I have never seen a female “lineman.”
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:59am
  - MCos
    
    Don’t watch much football?
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:15am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Those are called “cheerleaders” I think…
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:22am
      - MCos
        
        You need a bit a of educating.
        
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        July 31, 2018 9:27am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Haven’t you seen the Lingerie League American Football Odakyu?
        
        https://youtu.be/xUML2OLtC1I
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:10am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        That was great but why the additional padding on the shoulders?
        
        Will have to watch more and hope it rains, persistently and hard and for a long time so there is mud, lots and lots of mud, Rotorua mud festival quantities of MUD!
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:44am
- oldpark
  
  In Australia a lineman is an overhead telephone line technician. Whats with NZTA calling road men “linecrew”.It is no wonder if the NZTA are out of “line again”.Matches their daily road cockups.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I’ve never been accused of being PC, but this change does seem reasonable to me. Nothing wrong with making it gender neutral if they can do that without using some awkward and unwieldy phrase and just phase it in as the signs are replaced.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:47am
- DJ Ward
  
  Jacinda can explain it.
  She is the head of.
  
  Miss-mananagement.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:51am
- 3-coil
  
  tf78 – did you miss Clark (the Minister of Health one) proclaiming the “midwives” are to be relabelled “midpersons” from now on??
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:02am
Fred

Question: When I was younger NZ had 3m people. Now we have 4.5m. Largely through immigration.

What is the optimal number of people we should have in NZ? Given we cannot keep growing forever.
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July 31, 2018 8:39am
- softail 1450
  
  Fred,going by our infrastructure, 2 million ….
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:43am
- noskire
  
  About half of the current population and most of us Kiwibloggers would be very happy.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Twenty Million.
  Good people, English culture and all spread out.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You mean English culture like soccer hooligans?
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:08am
    - MCos
      
      With their Watney’s Red Barrel . . . . .
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:25am
    - DigNap15
      
      No, more like Stephen Fry, or Boris Johnson, or Ben Elton.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:52am
      - mark15
        
        no,maybe,definitely not.
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:24pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yes, Watneys is being replaced by Kingfisher and Tsingtao, great, how is that going to play out?
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:50am
    - GazzaW
      
      ……and thank God for that Paulus. Can you add Tiger and Asahi to the list?
      
      My main concern about immigration into NZ these days is the ever increasing number of American liberals telling me how to run my life. They have successfully fucked up their own country and now want to stuff NZ.
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:33am
- tf78
  
  When I was younger we had 2m, the right immigrants make a country great – the wrong ones turns it into Europe and Australia.
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  Fred, um Japan can fit 120 million. Why not us?
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:01am
  - Harkman
    
    Because going by your lots immigration policies, there would be a lot of terrorists in 120 million.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:08am
    - GazzaW
      
      Japan doesn’t allow Muslim immigration that’s why.
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:34am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Zinger of the week.
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:38am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Because.
    
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    July 31, 2018 3:28pm
- Viking2
  
  Currently 4.9 according to Peters.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s not just the total number. Other factors are important.
  For example, is the NZ demographic profile a triangle with lots of young (healthy tax payers) or an inverted triangle with lots of elderly?
  Secondly, is the population distributed evenly or concentrated into Auckland?
  Thirdly, do the newcomers want to become like Kiwis or do they really want to set up enclaves of their old country here?
  The list goes on.
  The absolute number is not really the issue.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:09am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes we want people that are committed to living in NZ.
    Not as many asians do, seeing it as a back door to Australia.
    Or a cash cow so they can send money each week back to their families.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:55am
- rockape
  
  about 15 million would be good.
  
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  July 31, 2018 2:16pm
secondcumming

*TERROR ALERT LEVEL RAISED*

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised it’s terror alert level from ‘Run’ to ‘Hide. The only two higher levels in France are ‘Collaborate’ or ‘Surrender’. The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that totally destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.
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- stephieboy
  
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  Get Trump Jnr and Ivanka to sort it out!
  
  LOL
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:51am
  - Longknives
    
    More early morning Comedic Genius from Stephieboy..
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:54am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I seem to have missed that, will he be back?
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:52am
- Harkman
  
  France has so many sleeper cells I’m surprised they haven’t surrendered yet. Paristan.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:11am
softail 1450

inandout, Garner can change his stance quicker than the gnome Peters can flash a smile….
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July 31, 2018 8:41am
softail 1450

I find the humorous comments on K B most mornings mood enhancing in the extreme but this AM has been exceptional…..
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July 31, 2018 8:48am
- DigNap15
  
  I’d rather have some hard hitting comments than weak attempts at humour
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:50am
  - softail 1450
    
    Dignap15, I’m betting that your entire family feel the same way as you ,,,humourless….
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:11am
    - DigNap15
      
      I love a good joke, but some of these are very weak and are contrived stories that are supposed to have a funny punch lines.
      
      Eg I love the one yestesday on GD about the guy on the Roller Coaster with the nuts and bolts.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:51am
      - secondcumming
        
        When I was a kid I used to have a Goldfish that could break-dance on the carpet…..only for about 20 seconds mind you…..and only once.
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:02am
Philview

John Howard was a Barrister, father of 3, Christian, successful leader and mocked by the Left for having a speech impediment. I just thought I would bring that up as have read plenty of negativity in left wing comments in the last couple of days on Simon Bridges looking up to John Howard.
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July 31, 2018 8:50am
- stephieboy
  
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  Philview , a fawning and drooling toady supporter of GWB
  
  Iraq disaster and trainwreck 2003!
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:55am
  - Philview
    
    Donald Trump has drawn attention to the way global media works. George W Bush was the most hated man on the planet but I didn’t know back then what he was up against.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Only Peters could look up to Howard. Howard is not exactly tall.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    Both suffering from Dwarfism?
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:12am
    - backster
      
      Stephie…thinking of Winston.
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:35am
- waikatogirl
  
  I could never look at John Howard without seeing his doppelganger, Mr Tracey, the father and leader of ‘International Rescue of The Thunderbirds’. ?
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:28am
- BeaB
  
  It is a nasty habit of the Left to mock people’s physical appearance and speech. Look how they sneered at John Key’s NZ accent. And now they sneer at Simon Bridges’s accent and make up silly versions of his name.
  I thought I’d watch Spinoff on Friday night to see what we had spent $700,000 on and was taken aback at how puerile and lame it was – a whole segment of a bloke trying to mimic Bridges. We have even had one writer in the print media going on about the size of his feet!
  Clearly beauty is on the eye of the beholder when Helen and Jacinda are their idea of perfection!
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:30am
  - KevOB
    
    At 163cm its possible to pass under some peoples noses and bite them off at the ankles. We are easier to under estimate.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:34am
  - riffer
    
    Weird. You criticise the left of judging people by their appearance and then do the same yourself.
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:27pm
  - Jack5
    
    The “writer in the print media” going on about the size of Simon Bridge’s feet is the idiot who has bored shitless Stuff newspaper readers for the last few weeks.
    
    He has been going on, and on, and fucking on, about how he’s taken a year off working for a newspaper so that he can study Maori full time.
    
    This guy asserted in his latest slab that Bridges took size 7 shoes and strongly implied that somehow we should think this is as significant.
    
    According to the web site below size 7 would be about average for a man 5ft 7in (170cm) in height. Another web source tells me the average height for an NZ male is 5ft 9½in (177cm).
    
    The Stuff bore was out to have a crack at Bridges, whom he seems to think should take a year off politics to learn Maori language. Both men are part-Maori.
    
    Do Maori have bigger feet than whites? If so, was the bore trying to suggest that by feet size he is more Maori than Simon Bridges?
    
    No wonder fewer and fewer people are subscribing to Stuff newspapers.
    
    Average men’s shoe sizes for height: https://www.onaverage.co.uk/body-averages/average-male-shoe-size
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:37pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  on Simon Bridges looking up to John Howard.
  
  Not even Winston Peters could look up to John Howard.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:49am
  - MH
    
    are Sir keith Holyoake’s shoes in Te mama and papa ?
    
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    August 2, 2018 12:12pm
artemisia

Trademe has published its regular property reports on median sale and rent listed asking prices and listing numbers. Current and historic. Data is based on their listings, not on actual sales and rents, but the numbers are large. The reports are well worth a read.

Of note as may indicate landlords selling up –

“The number of properties for sale in Auckland was up 5 per cent on last year and a ‘staggering’ 42 per cent on 2016.”

Sales –
property.trademe.co.nz/market-insights/property-price-index/winter-chill-bites-property-market/

Rentals –
property.trademe.co.nz/market-insights/rental-price-index/tenants-leave-auckland%E2%80%99s-central-city/
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July 31, 2018 8:51am
- DigNap15
  
  Wow, you beat Hugh to it!
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I read the whole post AND followed the hyperlinks !
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:56am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And understood it because I did not die of boredom before wrecking the scroll wheel and I upticked!
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:58am
VicParking

Red Radio this morning was so full of fake news one begins to worry the “reporters” all had a long weekend and the monkeys typed the news.
First a University idiot who did reseach to find out that people with more expenses houses make more extensive claims. That the temperature is 1% warmer and that storm are 16%, 17% aah 20% bigger and that “MORE MONEY IS NEEDED FOR RESEARCH”
That an idiot from the Unite Union has been arrested in Israel for being on board a fishing boat trying to get to Gazza. Seems NZ is the only country running this story. Could not find this story anywhere (BBC etc) evan the Israel haters. After a long search I found an press release from the IDF which said a fishing boat was stopped trying to break the blockade, was taken to an Israeli port and the “Nominal” amount of medical aid was shipped to Gazza.
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July 31, 2018 8:52am
- KevOB
  
  The “researcher” also tried to make an issue out of properties closer to the coast having more frequent insurance claims.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:38am
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The muddy and slimy cesspit that is Whale Oil,

HEALTH & SCIENCE

Ray, Whaleoil and exposing an expose

The controversial blogger Whaleoil is taking up the cause of LifePod developer Sir Ray Avery – sending Newsroom an email accusing this site of an unethical hit-job on the former New Zealander of the Year through our extensive inquiry into his products, fundraising and record.

The blogger, Cameron Slater, has evidently been fed information on Avery’s email dealings with Newsroom over the past month – not from us – and the blogger promises “articles” which will show Newsroom has “decided to listen to claims of various low-rent ratbags that cast aspersions on a New Zealander of the Year and a person with an exemplary record of public service”.

The two-page email names a variety of people Slater thinks talked to Newsroom, including some unknown to us, and proceeds to make claims about their personal lives and accuse them of an assortment of behaviours which, even if true, would have had no bearing on the reports on Avery.

Slater seems excited to have been given a photograph of Avery with the former Prime Minister Helen Clark, a critic of Avery’s proposed fundraising concert at Eden Park which has since been cancelled. He claims she told a radio host she had never met Avery but his smoking gun photo is “photographic evidence that she has indeed met the man”.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/30/172110/ray-whaleoil-and-exposing-an-expose#
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July 31, 2018 8:53am
- VicParking
  
  And the fact that she shared a stage with him at a conference, she exchanged emails with him and gave approval for the photo to be used.
  Stephie wipe the sweat from your eyes, dismount the goat your late for work a Fraiser house. ??
  
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  July 31, 2018 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Vicparking, honourable member of Whale Blubber’s troll ” Dad’s” army?
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:05am
    - KiWombat
      
      Don’t talk about yourself so much … we’ll do that when you leave !
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:23am
    - VicParking
      
      I must admit that I do read WO once at night to read the ‘Daily Roundup’, ‘Tweet of the day’ and ‘Comedy Corner’. Sometimes ‘Cartoon of the day’, although I only do that as I expect it to be about you Stephie my Equidae friend.
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:08pm
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy, the odor of goat has clouded your brain once again.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:16am
Left Right and Centre

Pimp my bubba time . . .
Give that woman a standing ovulation.
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July 31, 2018 8:54am
- VicParking
  
  But she has to move down to Wellington and setup a new house. Poor girl. I understand Neve has started to Teeth already and hubby is starting to get ichy. I wonder if H1 and H2 will be giving her baby feeding advice. A least she has had six weeks of cleaning up shit so she should be able to get back to work Running.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:08am
  - softail 1450
    
    V P, Helen could use her breasts they’ve never been used for anything at all.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:17am
    - stigie
      
      Yes they have, Peter use to ravage them..?
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:55am
      - MickMac
        
        haha Stigie.
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:38pm
    - VicParking
      
      H1B2 vs H2B2
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:10pm
RF

The ghosts that inhabit Govt House are in for a rude awaking when the Beverly Hill Billies shift in this weekend.

They will have to get used to the foot stamping and high pitch screeching.

On the bright side our caring PM will have heaps of spare rooms to house the Wellington homeless plus the odd ship load of refugees passing through.

Little squirrel will need a GPS tracker so she does not get lost. Maybe she could wear Jethro’s as he cut his off.
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July 31, 2018 9:02am
- VicParking
  
  Hubbys the one that needs a GPS tracker
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:08am
- holysheet
  
  When did Jethro leave the reservation?
  Where would he go?
  Who would he go with?
  What about the child?
  Oh so many questions.
  I need a drink and a lie down.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:13am
  - softail 1450
    
    H S, better not carry on the humorous comments to much longer it might upset DigNap15 to much….
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:20am
- VicParking
  
  Premier House Not Government House
  
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  July 31, 2018 1:11pm
Longknives

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/105874347/nzta-to-change-line-men-signs-to-line-crew-after-inquiry-from-7yearold-girl

How are they going to re-record Wichita Lineman?
(*I don’t think Glen Campbell is available anymore…)
Or will Genter just ban it?
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July 31, 2018 9:03am
- stephieboy
  
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  Longknives, wet farting comedy there?
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:06am
  - softail 1450
    
    SEPTICBOY,,dont keep thinking like that your goat is tired of your sexual emergencies,,,,,
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:23am
  - KiWombat
    
    I would insult you back but Mother Nature has already done such a fine job, I just couldn’t compete !
    
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    July 31, 2018 11:25am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      What sum in royalties is payable upon plagiarisation of that wonderful and ascerbic quote?
      
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      August 1, 2018 12:47am
- Longknives
  
  Shock/Horror the mother of the little Girl who (supposedly) was so outraged by the word ‘Linesman’ is a Green Party activist…
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:06am
  - dime
    
    lol
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:11am
    - Longknives
      
      First friend who popped up on her Mum’s FB friend’s list?- Julie.Anne.Genter.
      
      You would think any Journalist worth his salt would sniff the bullshit…
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Longknives, do you reckon Genter should change her name to Personer?
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:36am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Much like Anita Blakeperson on Red Radio.
        
        FFS I thought that kind of immature name changing went out in the 80s after they created the HRC and started that stupidity.
        
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        July 31, 2018 9:55pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I wondered who had put her up to it.
    Perhaps there should be a social convention that if most of the linemen are men, then we call them “linemen.”
    
    People who demand equal outcomes are the ones who advocate for reeducation camps and eventually gulags.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Odakyu-sen,
      “People who demand equal outcomes are the ones…”
      
      ???
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:51am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        stephieboy,
        
        I demand equal opportunities, but not equal outcomes.
        
        If you demand equal outcomes, then what should you do to the people who excel? Handicap them in some way? Exclude them? Eliminate them?
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Are you querying Odakyu-sen’s idiomatic use of the plural specific demonstrative determiner ones?
        
        Do you think he should have used those instead?
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:27am
    - KevOB
      
      The midwives are a real problem: many of them are young single women, not wives. There are no men either so it is not an equal opportunity occupation.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Can’t wait until she discovers:
    woMAN, woMEN, huMAN, MANhole, MANkind, Man-hours, Manpower, Manhandle, etc.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:34am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I’m hanging out for when she finds the meaning of humulity
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:06am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Reminds me of a radio interview years ago with the then captain of the English women’s cricket team, Rachel Heyhoe-Flint.
      
      She was asked if women cricketers wore the abdominal protectors used by their male counterparts, commonly called a “box”.
      
      “Of course we do” she replied. “But we don’t call them boxes; we call them man-hole covers!”
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:16am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      How can a woman break the glass ceiling if that means becoming a manager?
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:59pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        HIStory, hyMEN, MENarche, MENsturate, MENopause, MENtal, MENdacious, MENace, MENd, MANager, MANipulate, MANufacture, MANicure, MANdible, MANacle, MANia, MANatee, MANger, iMAN,
        
        It’s a vast patriarchal conspriracy! We need to tear down the english language and start again with a more gynocentric and nurturing construct.
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What is going to happen when our little girl discovers gendered languages?
        
        Why is la voiture feminine?
        Why is el jardín masculine?
        
        Goodness only knows what she is to make of Polish or Chechen.
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:36pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    That young woman has a mother and a father, that is paying $8.00.
    She has a mother and another parent, that chance is paying 1.07.
    
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    August 1, 2018 6:13am
- Harkman
  
  Almost as bad as the front story in the Press today, one person is complaining as the Chch Casino’s gaming license comes up for renewal.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:15am
  - DJ Ward
    
    As a victim of another persons gambling addiction I have no sympathy for Casinos. They are parasites and scum. The harm they cause to innocents is not worth the benifits.
    
    I however am not going to act to stop those stupid enough to enter one of these establishments.
    
    Poker machines on the other hand. I’ve felt like going with a baseball bat and going madperson on them.
    
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    July 31, 2018 11:48am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      I think that is a bit unfair.
      As a Sky City shareholder I take great pride in helping to deprive small children of school lunches and shoes to wear.
      As they say, it is dirty work but someone has to do it.
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:17pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        And it provides lots of jobs for lefties – their politicians, journos and welfare administrators all leverage the misery created by gambling and other addictions to provide themselves with an income.
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:26pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Wichita Line Crew? Nah, doesn’t work! ?
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:35am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Ever since Homer Simpson sang it I can’t get that bloody song out of my head!
    
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    July 31, 2018 12:17pm
lastmanstanding

Thank God we have renewal energy. Otherwise we would be in the same state as Oz. Highest power prices in the world. Wind farms falling over in high winds or not working in low/no winds. Exporting high grade coal to China and India who are building highly efficient low emission power plants whilst Oz knocks theirs down and refuses to build new ones. Wont do Nuke energy.
If we didnt have the rivers and damns we would be in the same or worse position.
This is the only thing I am grateful for as no power means no jobs no heating no cooking et al.
And that where Oz is very fast heading.
They and we should can Paris. The high emitters are going to keep on emitting whilst NZ who contribute 0.0002% of emission twists itself into knots trying to reduce to 0.0001% and wrecks the economy and peoples lives in the process.

The Government is the enemy of the people.
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July 31, 2018 9:04am
- VicParking
  
  We have Rivers but won’t be able to use them as Dams are a NO NO
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:11am
  - tf78
    
    We will have electric cars with no electricity.
    Does anyone know what would happen to an electric vehicle if it was stuck in holiday traffic for 4 hours or more. Would the whole motorway come to an absolute standstill with electric vehicles and their flat batteries. Just wondering.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:01am
    - DJ Ward
      
      That’s dumb. When an electric car isn’t moving it uses no fuel. Maybe the radio just to drown out the ICE cars wasting money and polluting while idling.
      
      You got up ticked too. Thankfully free speech is alive and well on KB. How else do you inform the ignorant.
      
      They could actually be on charge with roof PV panels. IE use no battery in stop start traffic.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:48am
      - Ed Snack
        
        That assumes no peripherals running, and no current cars have PV installed and with the amount you could fit onto a roof you’d get less than you need to run an A/C for example. You might get issues, but I can’t see it would be that common.
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:09am
      - Jack5
        
        That’s an interesting point, DJW.
        
        I wonder what happens to electric vehicles in mild floods, when normal petrol-powered cars might still get through?
        
        Also, what’s going to happen in future to millions of old, big car batteries?
        
        Are they recyclable like the steel that makes up internal combustion engines?
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:25am
      - tf78
        
        DJ Ward -I was only asking the question – I was interested to LEARN buddy.
        
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        July 31, 2018 11:46am
      - DJ Ward
        
        @Ed Snack.
        
        Who would have thought you and Elon Musk are the same person.
        
        However here is an example and discussion.
        
        https://www.teslarati.com/audi-develop-transparent-solar-roof-despite-tesla-skepticism/
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Most modern ICE cars have stop start technology so no idling when stationary.
        My wife’s Audi has cylinder deactivation as well. It drops from 8 to 4 when on light load.
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:06pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Heating and AC are a major problem for electric cars. Cabin temp control in hot or cold weather can use up to 3kW continuously regardless of speed, and can heavily impact range in city driving. And in really cold places batteries have to be kept warm or they lose huge amount of capacity.
        
        A decade ago EVs often had propane tanks for cabin heating, and some people are still doing this.
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:34pm
- Harkman
  
  This government is the best refutation of “the wisdom of crowds” hypothesis.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:17am
- Philview
  
  I heard a Minister talking last week about NZ sourcing its power from wind farms in future. I thought at the time that Greenies have even tried to stop wind farms going up in NZ in the past.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:35am
  - Colinxy
    
    Give it time. After all, windfarms are known to shred birds and bats, for example: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321780976_Bat_Mortality_Caused_by_Wind_Turbines_Review_of_Impacts_and_Mitigation_Measures
    
    With all the drama over snails, you’d have thought that they’d already be up in arms about wind turbines. Maybe, because of their investments in so-called green technology, they’re compromised?
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:21am
    - Jack5
      
      When they chop up albatrosses and migrating sea birds the Greens will be on the horns of a dilemma.
      
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      July 31, 2018 2:44pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I thought at the time that Greenies have even tried to stop wind farms going up in NZ in the past.
    
    And in the future, no doubt. There’s a significant proportion of environmentalists who think we should focus on how to reduce electricity consumption, not on how to increase its generation. The merits of that can be debated, but their opposition to new wind farms isn’t hypocrisy.
    
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    July 31, 2018 10:58am
    - DJ Ward
      
      Decreasing demand, or use has had real effects.
      
      All appliances manufacturers, washing machines, fridges, dishwashers, have made significant advances in reducing energy use.
      
      Many lights are now vastly more efficient LEDs.
      Heat pumps are 3-4 times more energy efficient than convection.
      
      Obviously thier opposition isn’t working. However it would be wrong to put one next door to an protected bird colony wouldn’t it. Just because they object doesn’t mean there wrong. More objections come from fruit cakes that don’t like them clutching to enviromental impacts as reasons. You mean the fake greenies.
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:17pm
    - realityczech
      
      “opposition to new wind farms isn’t hypocrisy”
      
      Yes it is. Especially if they continue to breed over entitled planet maggots like Ardern has.
      
      The way to reduce demand is reduce the population.
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:21pm
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Yeah and they will have special wires that carry on clean green windpower. Meanwhile in reality Natural GAS CCS is comparable to so called ‘clean’ energies if you believe in that carbon crap, falling squarely between Wind and Solar in terms of Lifetime CO2 emissions.
    
    Meanwhile in reality Natural Gas CCS is actually far cleaner, because even if these eco-nutters aren’t lieing about the emissions of their ‘clean green’ forms of power outright they are definitely lieing by ommision.
    
    They don’t talk about the fact that solar produces most of its power mid-day, yet most power usage is during the morning and evening or that wind power is not always constant, in the Uk for instance during winter where most power is used their is realitively little wind. And where there is wind it is produced constantly.
    
    Meanwhile gas/coal produces only as much as is needed at the specific times of demand to meet demand, so if we moved to Solar/Wind we would need to build signficantly more capacity and we would need battery backups.
    
    The end result would be power which costs several fold more, it would mean all our industry and jobs going overseas, our economy collapsing, and it would put more Co2 in the air from the extra capacity built and the battery backups (as power produced mid day is largely wasted)..
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:06pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      That’s rubbish.
      
      A generator cost the same in a wind turbine as it does in any other system. Coal etc requires continuos use of fossil fuels just to get it to the power plant and significant fossil fuel used to make infastructure.
      Renewables need no continuous pollution and waste energy just to operate let alone produce electricity.
      
      PV systems are linked directly to daytime operating commercial enterprise. As it is cheaper in these arrangements than grid supply these companies become more competitive, not less.
      
      As I linked earlier today, wind is the cheapest version of electricity generation. Yes it has offsetting costs and this is about 0.276 cents kW/h. A fraction of the $0.29 you get charged.
      
      Your arguments about CO2 costs for wind are completely absurd. As CO2 costs money that is transphered to the final product cost, your assertion that PV uses more CO2 is patently absurd as they, like wind are out competing, without subsidies, electricity produced with fossil fuels.
      
      The plight of those that refuse change, that deny progress, that oppose knowledge, is the plight you describe. The plight of a backward society.
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:45pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        I believe DJ Ward that wind turbines use Turbines, i.e. similar to that on an airplane or hydro/nuclear plants. Gas CCS uses reciporcating heat engines and coal uses boilers.
        
        Also carbon and oxygen ARE NOT pollutants, sorry that is not the correct usage of english DJ Ward, they are both extremely common base elements and completely harmless to humans. Now perhaps you want to argue about ‘man made global warming’ but that has no bearing on the definition of pollution.
        
        Of course lets not let a few facts get away in the bashing of western society and the energy industry which allows us to maintain decent standards of living..
        
        Sure put the PV on business roofs, currently the break even for a tesla solar roof is 2.5x that of Gas/nuclear power sold in some of the cheaper US states and in china. And that is PV without distribution costs. You lot seem to forget that every cent of cost for distribution in the power displaced by PV still needs to be paid for. And Kwh of peak production by gas/coal/nuclear for the evening/mornings (peak usage) still needs to be paid for.
        
        And all the ‘co2’ used to generate and sustain those methods are still used. But that is besides the point, PV produces more Co2 per KWh than the cleanest Natural Gas CCS…. So the anciliary issues only apply to wind which supposedly is ‘cleaner’ ignoring the ancilliary facts..
        
        Anyway its not my assertion, I cant assert facts, I can only observe them. look at the 2011 IPCC claims for Natural Gas CCS. These people are paid to produce climate change propaganda, so they should be a reliable source for those that believe in the propaganda.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources#2008_Benjamin_K._Sovacool_survey_of_nuclear_power
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:11pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        @Holly
        
        “I believe DJ Ward that wind turbines use Turbines, i.e. similar to that on an airplane or hydro/nuclear plants. Gas CCS uses reciporcating heat engines and coal uses boilers.”
        
        I said generator. The component attached to the, turbines, or reciprocating engine or steam turbine, or Stirling engine (reciprocating heat engines). It’s the bit that creates the electricity from momentum.
        
        You take the best gas CCS figure vs the worst PV figure and cliam victory. The best PV figure (it’s rapidly improving) vs the worst gas CCS figure and you loose badly.
        
        Gas CCS is restrained by the Carnot cycle. It is physically limited in efficiency.
        
        You make the claim of 60% efficiency for gas to electricity. Fine it’s multi staged etc. You also claim it’s 100% efficient directly as heat. Fine if you can capture 100% of the escaping gas temp.
        
        So if you use that 60% efficiency in a heat pump at 4 times effiency = 240% efficient. If you use gas directly for heating a home it’s the wrong way to use it.
        Why are you saying PV uses more CO2, that’s just doesn’t make sense. EG electricity made by wind, drives EV bulldozers, gets raw materials, puts on EV train. Processed in factory using PV on roof and wind mills. Final product finished. 0.000 grams of CO2. Driven to site on EV vehicle. Installed. Provides power for daytime operating Buisiness.
        
        That’s to the extreme. But where’s the CO2? Presently thier is some but any CO2 used in making PV will be contained in its price. It inherently must be small. You can’t say it’s more because the cost is the same or less than gas systems that produce enormous quantities of CO2.
        
        Buy the way how do you reconcile sun following concentrators using reciprocating (Stirling) engines? No CO2 right. No germanium, no silicon purification.
        
        Fossils fuels still have a role to play. Stop panicking at the thought of modern tech outperforming and creating a more modern electric network and supporting modern society. If your worried, sell your gas and oil company shares now before they get left behind.
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:27pm
- DigNap15
  
  Australia gets quite a bit of sun. Solar energy is clean and free and low cost.
  Don’t worry about Australia’s power.
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:16pm
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    DigNAP Solar is higher per KWh for Co2 (which isn’t pollution its plant food) than Natural Gas CCS, and solar produces only during the mid-day when people are at work using little power.
    
    So you need either battery backup or concentrated solar power storage system. Now costs rise substantially. Clean gas is as low as 4cents kwh to the door in USA.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:09pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      What?
      
      Gas is 490 and solar is 48.
      
      What?
      
      Some “at work” power per person is huge like foundries, injection moulders, etc. perfect for PV systems.
      
      What?
      
      Gas to your home, cool for home heating , cooking, hot water. Not so good at running your TV, stereo, lights, vacuum, dishwasher, fridge, freezer, washing machine, dryer, dehumidifier, or charging batteries for your iPad and vibrator.
      
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      July 31, 2018 2:04pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        No modern CCS Gas is 65, read the 2011 IPCC claims, they are paid to create climate alarmist propaganda. They then revised it up in 2014 50%… These guys play it fast and loose with the facts and objective reality. They were caught twice, hundreds of thousands of emails where they were faking all their ‘science’.
        
        Anyway PV is between 60-180 at its worse for household/utility scales before battery and gas/coal backups are taken into account. Meaning the best gas is better than the worst PV. The difference is not so big as people claim.
        
        And this is from the IPCC itself, straight out of the devils mouth. If the devil is saying CCS Gas is virtually as ‘clean’ as PV (by their absurd metrics which don’t include ancillary effects) then that is an absoloute worse case scenario. Its probably better. They are probably exagerating how ‘dirty’ CCS Gas is and lieing about how ‘clean’ PV is..
        
        They arent real scientists after all, they are just activists.
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:18pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    There’s lots of information about the Oz experience.
    (And Germanies)
    Both countries are in a bit of a mess with increasing electricity prices. The UK (and others)has problems with continuity of supply. Don’t they have Banks of diesel generators as back up?
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2018/07/25/modelling-schmodelling-how-to-rationalise-policies-that-would-destroy-the-economy/
    
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2018/07/01/wind-forces-up-electricity-prices-in-direct-and-indirect-ways/
    I don’t profess to have expert knowledge in this area but I’m sceptical of studies done by consultants employed by those who have vested interests in promoting wind or solar.
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:10pm
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      Yes you should be skeptical of ‘experts’ the ‘experts’ at the IPCC have been caught falsifying data, they are no more than activists and activism is just a euphenism for extremism.
      
      No this whole ‘green power’ thing is pretty ridiculous, PV is dirtier than CCS Gas, and wind power requires more CO2 emmisions when backups are considered.
      
      Raw gas for heating is also very efficent, modern power plants are only about 50-60% efficent. Burning gas for heat is 100% efficent and has no transmission loss. Try to explain to an econutter that a gas heater in winter outputs less Co2 than a PV panel… Not going to get you anywhere.
      
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      July 31, 2018 2:31pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Australia is having major problems with power being so expensive.
    Subsidies are distorting the whole situation and the Paris Agreement is stuffing the power prices.
    They have heaps of coal but Turnbull has his head in the sand.
    They need more coal fired power stations and now.
    
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    July 31, 2018 6:20pm
EAD_TWO

Anyone see the hypocrisy?

Stuff, a big fan of mass immigration, abortion, mindless consumerism, white guilt and feminism asks: Is it acceptable to wipe a species off the face of the Earth?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/105631573/extinction-on-demand-is-it-acceptable-to-wipe-a-species-off-the-face-of-the-earth

What about the European Race Stuff? We’re suffering loss of habitat, invasion by invasive species, slowing reproductive rates, cross breeding and diminishing resources – does it not matter if we go extinct because that’s the end result of never ending “diversity” (in white countries only)

#whitegenocide
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July 31, 2018 9:39am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, we can never exclude the possibility of you as a real present danger biosecurity target!
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:49am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Stephieboy- the narrative is so hostile to whites. Everyday there is another article in the MSM on how evil whites are and why we must die off – they’re not even hiding their agenda anymore – just look at this article from the weekend from Arthur Salzburgers Jew York Times:
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/us/new-hampshire-white-diversify.html
    
    The issue prompted about 100 business leaders, government officials and members of nonprofit organizations to meet Thursday to search for ways that New Hampshire — which is 94 percent white — might lure other racial and ethnic groups, as well as younger people.
    
    Will Arvelo, New Hampshire’s director of economic development, said the gathering appeared to be the first broad-based effort in New England, if not the country, to focus on how to diversify an entire state.
    
    Got that Goy – too many Whiteys is a bad thing and it’s your time to be “enriched”.
    
    Guess thats why Invercargill and Dunedin have been the dumping grounds for recent influxes of invaders as the MSM continues to soften them up under threat of being called “racist”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/101295953/regular-refugee-arrivals-expected-in-invercargill
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-can-gain-more-refugees
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:59am
    - backster
      
      Right on EAD
      
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      July 31, 2018 11:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        Bollus EAD & backster!
        
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        July 31, 2018 12:09pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  What about the European Race Stuff?
  
  Sounds like you need to do a bit of reading on what a “species” is.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:51am
DJ Ward

Just for the anti renewable energy nutters still stuck in a 2014 mindset.

http://www.windenergy.org.nz/the-cost-of-wind-energy

https://www.solarplaza.com/channels/finance/11813/who-needs-subsidies-when-there-solar-market-parity/

Oh no, can’t be true.

Subsidy free.

Game over for that argument.
I blame God.
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July 31, 2018 10:05am
- Lance
  
  That’s all very nice.
  Are people happy to have no power when the wind doesn’t blow or it’s night?
  There has been almost no work on demand-side loads (or nobody wants to pay for it) or who pays for spinning reserve.
  Batteries for mains scale power is ludicrously expensive. Paybacks are 40 to 50 years for a battery that last for 10 years tops.
  A Tesla battery ($8000 -$10,000) holds $1-70 of retail priced electricity.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:56am
  - DJ Ward
    
    This is what happens when you don’t read. I’ll help, I did it for you.
    
    “The Strbac study also noted that costs associated with greater use of wind in New Zealand included additional costs for system reserves (instantaneous, frequency-keeping and scheduling reserves) and generation capacity (as wind has limited ability to provide generation capacity at peak demand). For integrating 2000 MW of installed generating capacity by 2020, the additional cost would be between $2.06 and $2.76/MWh of wind energy”
    
    So yes there is offsetting but the cost is small, 0.276 cents a kW/h. The wind may be slow in Dunedin but be full on in Northland. PV systems contract to daytime operating buisinesses. Duh…
    
    The battery in NZ is Hydro. The Peek load is by Huntley. The base load is by geothermal.
    
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    July 31, 2018 11:20am
    - marcw
      
      At $0.276 / kwh, that is about 3 – 4 times the current wholesale generation price. So how much will retail users pay?
      
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      July 31, 2018 12:56pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Yes
        
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        July 31, 2018 1:16pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        Another person that can’t read.
        
        0.276 CENTS a kW/h.
        
        OMG. I forgive you.
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:08pm
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      Uhm you realise that power prices are as low as 4 cents a kwh in USA and China. The break even price for a Tesla Solar Roof cladding PV systems is 10 cents.
      
      And that solar roof option doesnt take into account distribution costs. Solar actually produces more C02 per kwh than the lower estimates of Natural Gas CCS. And Gas CCS is only going to come down as technology improves.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:16pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        What?
        
        CCS gas is 170 and solar is 48
        
        You lied about China.
        
        https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-price-of-electricity-in-China
        
        It’s 8 US CENTS kW/h
        
        More concerning is we pay 29 CENTS kW/h
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:24pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Yeah CCS is ~60 and ‘dirty’ PV is higer, average pv is about the same. Anyway NZ comercial power per KWh is about 7cents, US cents. And if we just look at per kwh charges (which is deceptive) then most providers are charging ~17nzd cents kwh.
        
        The real killer in NZ is the retail margins, the state owned distribution charges, and the privately owned, ex state local distribution monopolies. There are two providers now which are online only, low cost providers that charge their retail customers cost + %markup. Its a very cost effective way to buy electricity and drasticly decreases cost.
        
        The big driver of cost in NZ is government, I suspect that wholesale prices would be much lower with less regulatory barriers to market entry, and distribution costs lower with less regulation, and if it were treated like a public monopoly.
        
        In the states electricity is a tad below our pricing for commercial on average, so we actually have pretty ‘competitive’ pricing. In AUS people are paying .41AUD per KWh, they are actually one of the highest in the oecd. Suffice to say in china companies don’t pay as much for electricity as NZ.. Or as the US…
        
        They pay about 4cents a kwh.
        
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        July 31, 2018 5:05pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I have never met anyone who is anti renewables. I have met many who are anti-subsidies for renewables.
  
  PV is now competitive without subsidy in some locales (not northern Europe or USA), and wind in some locations is also competitive without subsidy. But mostly they both still need a lot of subsidies to compete with cheaper forms of generation.
  
  Given how small NZ, and our irrelevance to global learning-curves the sensible economic choice is to wait another 5-15 years until other countries have bought costs down sufficiently for us to install non-subsidised PV in NZ, or develop cheaper ways of getting PV on houses (with new cheap $150/kWh batteries it could undercut retail electricity prices)
  
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  July 31, 2018 11:06am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    I am anti-renewable, the term is BS. Its made up BS UN, the same sort of BS as calling hydrocarbons fossil fuel, i.e. dinosaur bones.
    
    What they call ‘renewable’ is no more than a tertiary byproduct of the solar systems largest nuclear reactor, which produces heat and light, and the light radiates out to our planet and creates heat which generates weather patterns, the wind and the the solar power… Then there is tidal, that is a tertiary byproduct of the moons gravitational effects on the earth as it orbits around our planet.
    
    Then we go on to fossil fuels, well turns out there were dinosaurs (sarcasm) on the saturns moon ‘titan’ where it rains Hydorcarbons (the real name for ‘fossil fuels’). No ‘oil’ is produced abiogenicly deep in the earths crust from its base components under enormous preassure and heat and circulates through the crust.
    
    PV doesn’t even output less co2 per kwh compared to CCS Gas (even ignoring storage costs), and Widpower outputs more Co2 when storage and additional output, distribution losses etc..etc.. are taken into account.
    
    The left and its eco-nutters are just anti-science mate. There entire world view is wrong, their just a bunch of deluded hippies.
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:34pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      There are many competitive bid utility scale PV projects in sunny countries now coming in at $0.02-0.03/kWh. Wind is similar (in some locations)
      https://electrek.co/2017/11/16/cheapest-electricity-on-the-planet-mexican-solar-power/
      
      There are also bidders combining PV or wind with battery to give 24hour supply at as little as $.036/kWh
      https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/record-low-solar-plus-storage-price-in-xcel-solicitation#gs.HCiv81o
      
      In these ideal climates they are undercutting coal and natural gas in the free market. So really your objections are a bit irrelevant don’t you think? Renewables are good enough to take over on their own merits without subsidies in these sunny climates.
      
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      July 31, 2018 2:01pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Well that seems a bit low, I know that in some cases PV can come close to the Total Lifecycle Cost TLC of Gas but it is all highly subjective and starts breaking down outside of niche cases where the environment, demand for energy and supply of PV is all at the right level.
        
        Undoubtedly PV has a place in the future of electric production, but the costs to displace Hydorcarbons would be too much. That article you mentioned cited hypothetical costs of some 2.7cents or thereabouts a kw/h, that is a huge increase over the wholesale production costs of the best Gas/Coal that is available.
        
        And yeah same with wind, that place in mexico is one of some arbitrary and to us indeterminate number of goldilocks zones, just like PV where everything lines up perfectly.
        
        In many other places like the UK for instance the air is often still in winter when they want to use lots of electricity, so windpower is not suitable, in Wellington its likely too windy, when it’s ‘too windy’ the wind turbines actually shut down to prevent them overloading and being destroyed.
        
        But the thing about gas/coal is you can build them almost anywhere, most people live within 100-200km of the coast, and its quiet easy to ship in deliveries of many thousands of tonnes of coal/gas. And even further in land as the states prove its quiet economical to ship coal via rail.
        
        So whether its shipping in coal/gas, local production, or trasmissioning the power from somewhere more convenient to produce there is almost no where that coal/gas doesn’t make sense. There is however unfortunately many places that PV doesnt.
        
        PV is pretty much the ultimate form of ideal electricity, because its completely decentralized, you can buy it in tiny increments, everyone could theoretically be independent, and it would be litterally the coolest thing ever if it could work like that. Unfortunately the cost gets in the way.
        
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        July 31, 2018 4:57pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Agree with pretty much all of that.
        
        I think the future for renewables is bright, but not at high latitudes. We won’t be using fossil fuels for power much in 200 years, will be some blend of PV, wind and fission or fusion power. I don’t think there is any urgency in rushing the change, and it is good that we have options and that PV is getting to be so price competitive.
        
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        July 31, 2018 8:18pm
EAD_TWO

This is brilliant:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotFestPR/status/1022781294986637314

A Scottish Film company tweets: “Are we doing enough to fight the rise of the Far Right? What turns someone into a Nazi? Davey Anderson and @PeppScotland present a chilling new play The Abode”

The replies are priceless❗
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July 31, 2018 10:23am
- alloytoo
  
  National Socialism turns someone into a Nazi, more accurately the Far Left.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:47am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The rise of white identity politics is the reaction to identity politics that were intended to destroy white identity
  
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  July 31, 2018 11:20am
- Jack5
  
  ?It was the uniforms, the big marching displays, and Leni Riefenstahl who won you over, wasn’t it, EAD?
  
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  July 31, 2018 11:44am
Manolo

It will not happen anytime soon.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-i-am-ready-to-meet-with-iran-anytime-they-want-to.html

President Donald Trump on Monday said that he would be willing to meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani “anytime they want to,” and that he would impose no preconditions on such a meeting.

“They want to meet, I’ll meet. Anytime they want,” Trump said. The president’s comments came amid escalating tension between the U.S. and Iran. Earlier this month, Trump threatened Rouhani in an all-caps post on Twitter that called out the Iranian leader by name.
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July 31, 2018 10:48am
- DJ Ward
  
  Great job, very cleaver.
  Whenever people predict Trump can’t do something. Wham, bam, thank you mamperson, it happens.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:54am
secondcumming

@ 10.39am 1ZB

The missus reports she just overheard *Kerre McGyver* raving on about….. BLOW JOBS

wHERE’S sMITH??
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July 31, 2018 10:50am
- rangitoto
  
  Does she have Asenati Lolly stealer on her show?
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:11pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Heard the ZB host last night saying setting fire to our flag should qualify for deportment.
  Talk about standing tall for a cause!
  Thank goodness for the off switch.
  
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  July 31, 2018 7:29pm
Fletch

Belgium euthanasia being exploited. The numbers are going up and three minors were killed in the last two years.

https://www.voanews.com/a/belgium-approved-euthanasia-three-minors-report-finds/4499976.html

Also for your reading pleasure – Twelve Myths About Physician Assisted Suicide and Medical Aid In Dying.

https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/twelve-myths-concerning-medical-aid-in-dying-or-physicianassisted-suicide

Also, the story of a man told he had months to live, but carried on another three years, sharing many beautiful memories with his wife –

https://www.facebook.com/PatientsRightsAction/videos/1686793641439785/

Don’t forget – every day is a gift.
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July 31, 2018 10:52am
- DJ Ward
  
  On the minor.
  
  “The 2014 law stipulated that before euthanasia can be considered for a minor, he or she must be suffering from terminal illness, face “unbearable physical suffering” and repeatedly request to die.”
  
  So you think forcing a child to experience “unbearable physical suffering” is moral.
  
  Whatever God did this, whatever God you use to support this, is a cruel God. I hope he/she/it/alien rots in hell.
  
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  July 31, 2018 11:03am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Don’t forget – every day is a gift.”
  
  That is why we call it the “present.”
  
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  July 31, 2018 2:51pm
Manolo

Primitives and barbarians also have a voice:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denmark-religion-veil/a-crime-or-a-right-some-danish-muslims-to-defy-face-veil-ban-idUSKBN1KK1YJ

The niqab wearers who plan to protest on Aug. 1 will be joined by non niqab wearing Muslim women and also non-Muslim Danes, most of whom plan to wear face coverings at the rally.
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July 31, 2018 10:52am
- DJ Ward
  
  Is Antifa the sponsor?
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:56am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Yes, they do. Shouldn’t they?
  
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  July 31, 2018 11:02am
  - Jack5
    
    Did you hear what that champion of the Leftists, Noam Chomsky called Antifa, Albert?
    
    He called it a “major gift to the Right”.
    
    But if the Danes want to ban face coverings in public, that’s their right. If Muslim women can’t accept it, surely they should leave the country.
    
    The Antifa are bunch of thugs who themselves hide behind face covering.
    
    Chomsky on Antifa:
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/noam-chomsky-antifa-major-gift-right-wing-anti-fascist-alt-left-a7906406.html
    
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    July 31, 2018 11:20am
GoVege

What an ignoramus this Olsen twit is: “…a cheap hit on an already stigmatized group to score cheap political points”.
I mean, why else would a government ban face coverings?
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July 31, 2018 11:24am
Manolo

Pinko Turnbull’s nightmare:
https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/07/theres-still-time-to-avoid-coalition-carnage/
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July 31, 2018 11:27am
Jack5

The leader of New Zealand’s Unite Union participates in on-the-spot support for Palestinians against Israel.

I wonder if any fees from Unite’s modestly paid NZ workers help finance their leader, Treen, on his political voyage in the Middle East, and whether they will help pay for his flight home when the Israelis release him.

Unions are supposed to about the interests of their members, Mr Treen, not a platform for international political grandstanding.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12098292
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July 31, 2018 11:34am
- rangitoto
  
  With luck the Israelis will lose the key to his cell. That would save the union the price of his air fare and save NZ from his presence. A win – win.
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:15pm
  - sooty
    
    I would laugh if he fell on the sidewalk like that idiot that stabbed the Marine after robbing the store, in front of the Marines three buddies.
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:24pm
- Longknives
  
  And not a single fuck was given.
  Even the Left-Leaning NZ Media aren’t really interested!
  Does old Mike not remember that fruitcake from the Greens already tried this stunt? And nobody cared then either…
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:16pm
Captain Mainwaring

Couldn’t be happening at a more appropriate place.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105883464/union-members-at-mori-tv-are-going-on-strike

Where’s ‘no strikes on my watch’ Cindy?
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July 31, 2018 11:36am
cmm

Poor bloody Zimbabwe…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZkBXO0feVc

They’ve just had the first post-Mugabe elections. There’s huge hope that this is going to make a huge change in Zimbabwe.

Like South Africa, they always try to peg all the problems on one person and getting rid of that one person will magically make everything right.

The brains and the skilled people have left. An election is not going to bring them back.

The aspirations have been hyped, the system is corrupt and the civil service has collapsed. An election won’t fix any of those.
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July 31, 2018 11:53am
Monique Watson

How the fuck is she going to run a fucking country? All my babies, all five of them had a routine at six weeks. They grizzle a bit around the eight week mark but I had them sleeping through at six weeks.
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July 31, 2018 12:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But you are wonderful, and anyone who has ever had a baby without a settled sleep routine is simply a bad parent, and probably a bad person too.
  
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  July 31, 2018 12:51pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Don’t be a cockhead. I’ve known the full spectrum. Parents and babies. Colicky babies don’t settle at all. But four out of five of my babies had no stomach complaints and they all slept through by six weeks with an unsettled period at eight and back down reliably by ten weeks.
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So why do you feel you can judge another mother who you don’t even know?
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Another personal attack on Monique Watson, I see.
        
        She asked a valid question….
        one that is being discussed all over the Media at the moment
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/jacinda-ardern-maternity-leave-back-to-work/10029462
        
        My answer to How the fuck is she going to run a fucking country is that unlike most working mums in NZ, Our Prime Minister will have lots of help and probably night assistants available to ensure she gets rest/sleep.
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:06pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        She asked a valid question…
        
        So did mikenmildagain. The fact that you don’t like something you read doesn’t make it a personal attack.
        
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        July 31, 2018 3:42pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Cmon MM you used to be better than this thats a stooopidboy comment
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:38pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why Monique would presume to opine on the parenting situation of someone she doesn’t know is beyond me.
      
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      July 31, 2018 1:50pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        Babies are simple if you know the secrets. Just like crate training dogs. I’m not ‘opining’, but I am speaking from experience. Once the baby gets back to birth weight then they are well capable of sleeping through the night.
        If you are feeding from the titty then you pump in the morning and give them the morning milk last thing at night and it will knock them out like a sailor on rum. If you’re feeding on formula then start them on solids earlier and they will be flat out like a flounder by 8pm at night. You don’t even have to make a conscious decision. #3 was helping himself to fish and chips at eleven weeks at Island Bay. Boat had well and truly sailed by then. There was no more feeding him on that supermarket shite. Within a week he was gobbing back a cheeseburger.
        
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        July 31, 2018 2:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not disputing that you have expertise in raising your own babies, Monique. I just don’t believe that you have any ablity to know whether anyone else’s baby is being well parented, when you do not have access to observe said baby, said baby’s caregivers and said baby’s environment.
        Please let me know if you consider this a personal attack, as I do not want to trigger any snowflakes.
        
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        July 31, 2018 3:58pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  How the fuck is she going to run a fucking country?
  
  How the fuck did Simon Bridges lead the Opposition after his latest baby was born back in December? It’s just a complete fucking mystery!
  
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  July 31, 2018 3:46pm
  - sam green
    
    …he played his little drum ?…. pa rum pum pum pum ….
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:11pm
cmm

Ok, it’s from last year, but here’s a big sook about how low dairy prices are putting dairy farmers out of business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPWLSVn0ko

It’s ridiculous:
* A “farm” has 35 cows. How can you call that a farm?
* 6 billion euros are paid into subsidies to these “farmers”… and they still can’t make it.

No wonder they want trade barriers to help keep their broken system alive.
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July 31, 2018 12:10pm
- RalphT
  
  35 cows a farm? Why in Europe that’s almost a ranch.
  
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  July 31, 2018 1:01pm
MCos

I enjoy watching a bit of baseball on TV. A few minutes a bit of news about concussion in the NFL flashed across the ticker.
It seems lawsuits totally half a billion dollars and counting have piled up against the organization because they did not reveal all they knew about the effects of these head knocks.
NZR must be thankful for ACC.
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July 31, 2018 12:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How to thank the nation that rescued you.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy
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July 31, 2018 1:08pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12098428

Well done CoL, after just 9 months business confidence plunges to lowest level since Auntie H was screwing things up. It took Auntie H years to achieve that!

It was even higher during the GFC!

Auntie H must be so proud of her spiritual daughter.
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July 31, 2018 1:45pm
- GazzaW
  
  Well done Robbo!
  
  Hopefully the Nats received advance notice of the ANZ Survey in time to include a couple of juicy supplementaries at QT this afternoon.
  
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  July 31, 2018 1:50pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The fat fairy’s spin machine is about to go into overdrive.
    
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    July 31, 2018 1:53pm
    - GazzaW
      
      It did.
      
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      July 31, 2018 3:10pm
      - igm
        
        gazza: As usual MSM attempting to bail out fat fairy.
        
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        July 31, 2018 3:26pm
    - stigie
      
      Yes, but Sweet Cheeks thinks the ANZ Survey is crap, twice iv’e heard him say that now.
      I wonder where Sweet Cheeks gets his shit from..?
      
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      July 31, 2018 3:27pm
      - skyblue
        
        Alf’s pugwash.
        
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        July 31, 2018 9:08pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  The only thing business confidence surveys tell us is whether National or Labour is in power, which isn’t something we really needed a survey to find out.
  
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  July 31, 2018 3:38pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘only thing’
    ?
    
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    July 31, 2018 6:05pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Really?
    Watch jobs and investment start to decline if confidence stays low or declines even further!
    
    Then the survey wil tell you who is best for NZ
    National or Labour
    
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    August 1, 2018 6:48am
oob

If the allegations in this article are true, it’s a devastating blow to Charter Schools and to Simon Bridges.

I’m a supporter of the Charter Schools concept. But any school teaching Creationism in a science class needs to be shut down and any teacher presenting it in a science class needs to lose their practising licence.

If Bridges’ sister is indeed doing this, it’s reasonable to ask if Simon shares her views. If he does that is a massive blow to the National party and his leadership.
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July 31, 2018 2:04pm
- cmm
  
  I’ll take teaching creationism over communism any day.
  
  Creationism never killed anyone, communism has killed over a hundred million.
  
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  July 31, 2018 2:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Creationism may not equate to Lysenkoism, but States that adopted this anti-evolutionary theory and promulgated it through collectivised farms are probably responsible for millions starving or failing to thrive.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:43pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Creationism as a feature of Fundamentalism has killed heaps. Fundamentalists rejecting medical treatment of themselves or their children and relying on prayer. Kids being messed up by fundamentalist upbringings and failing miserably at life as a result of being educationally, intellectually and emotionally hamstrung.
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:43pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I’ll take teaching creationism over communism any day.
    
    I’m pretty sure no charter schools are teaching communism, which makes that point completely, magnificently irrelevant.
    
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    July 31, 2018 3:35pm
    - oob
      
      I’m pretty sure no charter schools are teaching communism…
      
      Though the state schools are. The levels of far-Left indoctrination in NZ schools are out of hand, I attribute it to the dominance of Trades Union in the education sector.
      
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      July 31, 2018 3:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How would you cope with living in an actual communist country now that you have used up all those words like ‘communism’ and ‘far-left’ to describe our socialised education system?
        
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        July 31, 2018 4:02pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  yeah, not good. But given how media works (and particularly hit jobs of recent times), I’d want to see some corroboration from other students before getting too worked up.
  
  As for tarring Simon with this particular brush, that’s ridiculous. None of us are responsible for the actions or beliefs of our relatives.
  
  I am all for getting religion out of schools, secular education is pretty central to building a cohesive society with kids who all have a chance to succeed. But that would be islamophobic or something.
  
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  July 31, 2018 2:35pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Seems more than 50% of Muslims internationally are creationists. It is certainly taught in their schools/Madrasa.
    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/pew-report-on-muslim-world-paints-a-distressing-picture/
    
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    July 31, 2018 2:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      UN ,Creationism is widely popular amongst the US President’s followers too. Why even himself is probably one.
      
      There is. I understand and after all, a high correlation between Creationism and climate change denial. I wonder the same is found among Muslims?
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-meets-with-creationist-jerry-falwell-jr-about-possibly-becoming-next-secretary-of-a7430261.html
      
      LOL
      
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      July 31, 2018 3:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Is this just a case of them being shown an alternative (and wrong) view?
  As in educating them about it as opposed to teaching it. Educating doesn’t necessarily mean endorse.
  
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  July 31, 2018 3:26pm
  - oob
    
    Have you ever heard of students being taught what the bible has to say about usury in an economics class?
    
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    July 31, 2018 6:02pm
    - nasska
      
      The same Creationists who get their moral inspiration from burning shrubbery.
      
      Gullible doesn’t quite cover it!
      
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      July 31, 2018 6:30pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      No, but often when Darwins Theory of Evolution is mentioned sometimes religious nutters raise Creationism. And belief in creationism is well publicised. Just like anti Vaxxers etc.
      So why not address it, discuss and dismiss it.
      
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      July 31, 2018 6:32pm
- oob
  
  Bridges’ response is fairly good.
  
  However Alwyne Poole is quoted in the article with the following:
  
  “The NZ curriculum is broad and designed brilliantly that way by the team that did it. Darwin himself would be very unhappy if the controversies, developments and unfinished business of his theories were not discussed. Everyone who actually knows the basics of science understands that it is built on profound discussion and reaches across broad disciplines. The student’s recollection of Mrs O’Connor’s statements and the ability to discuss are highly flawed,”
  
  This attempt at justifying the teaching of Creationism in science classes is absolutely the wrong answer. In light of it I’m of the opinion Poole should not be involved in the administration of schools and Rachel O’Connor shouldn’t be teaching.
  
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  July 31, 2018 7:20pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    From the linked article:
    
    Bridges’ sister Rachel O’Connor… is a science teacher at Mt Hobson Middle School.
    
    A former pupil claims she showed the class this video: Science has found proof of the existence of God.”
    
    If true, Rachel O’Connor is a “science” teacher, not a science teacher. Only a mug would send their kids to a school that has “science” teachers – stick to the ones with science teachers who don’t need quotation marks in their job title.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:35pm
    - realityczech
      
      The Jews wrote the bible yarn about creation Milt. Are you being a Nazi again and suggesting the Jews lied?
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:42pm
GazzaW

I am going to be fascinated on what is sure to be a backroom Parliamentary stoush after Big Gerry accused Peters of being drunk in the House this afternoon. Even Trev was taken aback but interestingly he didn’t make Gerry withdraw and apologise. Peters had been outstandingly insulting to Simon Bridges.

Trev also supported Nick Smith and told Labour MPs that he was disappointed in their lack of transparency.

Chris Bishop’s interchange with Tracy Martin was fascinating and it seems that there could be more than meets the eye over the recent senior Police appointment.

Today’s QT is well worth a watch.
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July 31, 2018 3:08pm
- Poppa
  
  I find it so hard to watch now to be honest.
  
  Simon gets beaten up every time & the only ones getting any traction seem to be Judith & Melissa Lee
  & possibly Jamie Lee-Ross
  
  The whole thing is not helped by Mallard running interference all the time
  
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  July 31, 2018 3:34pm
- Brigitte
  
  I think Gerry was carefully making a point. The two statements in question were:
  
  Rt Hon Winston Peters: Look, I can’t win the jokes stakes; I’m looking at one, in terms of his ambition.
  
  So Gerry asked:
  
  Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. If it’s parliamentary to refer to a member as being a joke, would it not equally be parliamentary to refer to a member as being drunk?
  
  Whilst Winnie *was* referring to Bridges, Gerry carefully only referred to *a member* although clearly was meant to imply Winnie.
  
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  July 31, 2018 3:46pm
  - Brigitte
    
    There was one odd exchange in Q2:
    
    Kiritapu Allan: What further action does he intend to address student exploitation?
    
    Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: That’s not the question.
    
    Kiritapu Allan: What does the changing global outlook mean for fiscal management?
    
    Looks like they can’t even manage the patsy questions properly.
    
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    July 31, 2018 3:53pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Brigitte:
      
      She shows excellent attention to detail. Someone should hand her a “motion of no confidence” and see if she’s up to proposing it!
      
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      July 31, 2018 4:00pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The Pissed Minister.
    
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    July 31, 2018 3:59pm
- Grant
  
  It was indeed well worth a watch but I found it absolutely heart breaking.
  Watching that piece of filth Peters mock Bridges’ manner of speech and being allowed to get away with it by the equal odious Mallard leaves me in no doubt that our democracy is in serious trouble given that Peters is the one in charge these days.
  Also good on Gerry for climbing into Peters and accusing him of being drunk. It’s about time someone did because the only other possible cause for the rambling nastiness that his contributions have become is dementia or an extreme personality disorder.
  Simon B: You don’t have to put up with that shit, and if you want to lock my vote in for 2020, or earlier, then the next time Mallard runs interference for that poisoned little prat you will stand up, ask your team to do the same, and lead them in dignified silence from the house.
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  July 31, 2018 3:54pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hear Hear. Well said Grant.
    I couldn’t believe that Mallard let Peters get away with that one, but then again perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised any more.
    
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    July 31, 2018 5:18pm
    - stigie
      
      Peters is one narcissistic vindictive prick, Mallard needs to start pulling the prick up !~
      Hasn’t got over when Key said he wouldn’t have him in a government that he leads.
      That hurt the prick badly !~
      
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      July 31, 2018 6:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Peters is one narcissistic vindictive prick
        
        We’ve organised a heartland tour so Winston can visit faraway places. You’ll see a bus down your main street in the near future. Be sure to pass on your best wishes to Winston in whatever way you think appropriate!
        
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        July 31, 2018 7:04pm
      - stigie
        
        National has to rule out working with the narcissistic vindictive prick Nostra, quite opposite to what Dad was wanting before the last erection..?
        
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        July 31, 2018 7:31pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”a heartland tour so Winston can visit faraway places”…..
        
        Never underestimate the power of Peters! One day a long time ago I had the misfortune to be in Carterton when the bus containing Winston’s roadshow pulled up in the town centre.
        
        After a few minutes a small, dapper man alights & addresses a crowd of about fifty, mostly elderly ladies. He had them in the palms of his hands…..they would have followed him into Hell. Complete with their zimmer frames & incontinence pads.
        
        Mercifully his minders got him back on the bus before the old dears started throwing their knickers at him! 🙂
        
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        July 31, 2018 7:32pm
      - stigie
        
        Some of these blue rinses can randy old be sods Nasska..?
        
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        July 31, 2018 7:35pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        “what Dad was wanting before the last erection..”
        
        It only happens once every three years? 🙂
        
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        July 31, 2018 8:37pm
  - oob
    
    Well said, Grant.
    
    I’ll add it is customary for a retiring speaker to receive a knighthood. National even did so for Margaret Wilson despite her deeply partisan approach.
    
    Rather than take the principled stand as you suggest, I expect National will recommend Trevor Mallard for a knighthood when next in office.
    
    In my opinion this is absolutely inappropriate. In fact I’d go so far as to say unconscionable.
    
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    July 31, 2018 5:57pm
EAD_TWO

Great quote from a Nobel Prize winner – it helps explains why so many of the Bolsheviks changed their name to Russian sounding ones:

You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators. – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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July 31, 2018 6:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Can you help with the source of this Solzhenitsyn quotation, please EAD?
  
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  July 31, 2018 7:55pm
  - realityczech
    
    Oh Look Jacksie is here to preach Anti-Slavic hatred.
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:15pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together
    
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    July 31, 2018 8:58pm
    - realityczech
      
      They should have joined Hitler and protected their respective homelands together. It was such a waste they went to war.
      
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      July 31, 2018 9:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Russians didn’t get much choice about going to war, you will recall, K-Realityczech.
        
        They had this peace deal with Hitler, but Adolf launched the biggest invasion in history with Operation Barbarossa. Four million German and other Axis troops hit the Soviet Union at once, at the same time all but wiping out the Soviet Air Force – on the ground.
        
        It says much for the guts and toughness of the Russian people that they were able to come back from this, the greatest of all king hits.
        
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        July 31, 2018 10:47pm
    - Jack5
      
      Thank you for that reference, EAD.
      
      This work of Solzhenitsyn looks flaky, and seems to have been only partly translated into English.
      
      Some of the best anti-Soviet writers have become flaky towards the end of their lives. For example, Alexander Zinoviev, a fine satirist (and logician) who blasted the Soviet bureaucracy and was exiled, at the end of his life championed the Soviet Union, calling its collapse a catastrophe.
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:41pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  An unintentionally funny characteristic of fascists is that they hold Jews responsible both for capitalism and communism.
  
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  July 31, 2018 9:24pm
  - realityczech
    
    Milt. Yes but neither Russia nor Germany were fascist. You seem confused again. Jews are responsible for corrupting capitalism, not creating it.
    
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    July 31, 2018 9:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      Nazi Germany wasn’t fascist? What do you mean, ❗K-Realityczech?
      
      Are you playing with words and claiming that only fascist parties that had the word “fascist” in their titles were fascist?
      
      That’s a bit like claiming keas aren’t parrots because “parrot” isn’t part of their popular name. ?
      
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      July 31, 2018 10:49pm
realityczech

Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them?

In the United States, the two groups that most ardently support Israel are Jews and evangelical and fundamentalist Christians. Jewish support is easy to explain, but why should certain Christians, most of them politically quite conservative, be so devoted to Israel? There is a second puzzle: despite their support for a Jewish state, evangelical and fundamentalist Christians are disliked by many Jews.
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July 31, 2018 7:29pm
- nasska
  
  …..”evangelical and fundamentalist Christians are disliked by many Jews”…..
  
  I find common ground with the Jews! 🙂
  
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  July 31, 2018 7:35pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes and many Jews are atheists. Jews are a bit stuck up and full of themselves, but the garden variety Jew is okay. The real problem ones are the religious nuts and the zionists. A bit like other religions I guess.
    
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    July 31, 2018 7:55pm
Lance

One day RCZ won’t inflict his sick daily repetitive rant upon KB, going on and on and on and on and on and on hysterically about dem evil Jooz.
One day… maybe next year?
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July 31, 2018 10:50pm
- Jack5
  
  I think, Lance, that he has an Arab in his family tree. ❗Kea-Realityczech❗ has given hints of this in posts, and has specifically said it wasn’t a Lebanese.
  
  So perhaps Syrian is a good bet, or maybe Palestinian.
  
  His paranoia about Jews and Israel is thus sad: he’s probably a distant cousin.
  
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  July 31, 2018 10:55pm
DigNap15

Yes I can’t understand the obsession with jew bashing.
They are some of the cleverest people in the world.
They have been persecuted in lots of countries, and have help lots of others.
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