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starboard

The treaty gravy train carries on with no end in sight.
Courtesy of Hobsons Pledge .

“The chairman of Te Rūnanga Ā Iwi o Ngāpuhi, and co-leader of Tūhoronuku, Rāniera Tau wants $1.5bil to settle the Ngāpuhi Treaty claim.

This comes as the embroiled iwi leader defends allegations of mismanagement of tribal assets.

Despite the claims he says he will not step down from his position.

For the first time, the co-chair of Tūhoronuku, and chair of Te Rūnanga Ā Iwi o Ngāpuhi Rāniera Tau has given the sum he is wanting to settle the Ngāpuhi Treaty settlement.

“I’ll say that it’s worth up to at least $1.5bil in value” Tau says exclusively to Te Kāea’s Northland regional correspondent, Raniera Harrison.

Tau, who was convicted in 2016 after being found with five dead kererū by Department of Conservation staff at Invercargill Airport, says he is focused on setting up a new post settlement entity to receive the Ngāpuhi Treaty settlement.

“We’ll set up a group and present them to the people to see whether or not they support them. At the end, the old adage remains, that Ngāpuhi will speak for itself.”

Leadership from both Tūhoronuku, including Hōne Sadler and Te Kotahitanga o Ngā Hapū co-chairs Pita Tipene and Rudy Taylor will meet formally for the sixth time with Treaty Negotiations Minister Andrew Little in Wellington on Saturday to discuss the settlement.

Tau says there are a few outstanding issues on the table.

“Whether we find solutions for what we are after at this meeting or not, we will be calling a Ngāpuhi-wide meeting to discuss how we want to move forward.”

The topic has long been discussed and widely accepted as being the biggest Treaty settlement to date.

Tau says it is very close to happening.

“That $1.5 billion? That’s only the beginning for Ngāpuhi.”

An estimated 50 protestors took to the streets of Kaikohe yesterday demanading greater transparency in Te Rūnanga Ā Iwi o Ngāpuhi tribal leadership structure.

“They’re under the assumption that they can get me to stand down? Get it right!” says Tau.

He adds that he will be in a better position after the sixth meeting with Little on Saturday to make further comment.”
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July 30, 2018 9:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is all this treaty claim money leading to favorable outcomes for iwi members?
  Has the iwi prepared a list of measurable targets that the claim money will be put towards? (Such as increasing the percentage of insulated homes, painting and repairing housing, reducing the incidence of smoking, etc.)
  Will the monies be held by an independent non-iwi trust to ensure accountability?
  The list goes on…
  
  Giving away free money (to improve “feelz”) without expecting any accountability will only encourage further demands for more money.
  
  Money should be used as a tool; not as a drug.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:19am
  - Komata
    
    As an aside, and concerning the ultimate fate of whatever monies might be received: Anecdotal evidence would indicate that the prevailing wisdom amongst Maori leadership (as received from ‘Financial Advisors’) is that whatever money might be forthcoming should be invested ‘For the greater good of the tribe’, since if it was distributed amongst members, inevitably some would immediately spend it all and become, once again, dependent on the state (notice, NOT tribe) for their necessities.
    
    Better to have the money earning and increasing the tribal assets…
    
    What is not so far mentioned is ‘At what point does said accumulated money be disbursed, by whom and to whom?’
    
    No-one seems prepared to tackle THAT particular issue and meanwhile the ‘Train rolls on.
    
    It’s an interesting example of both having one’s cake and being able to simultaneously eat it.
    
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    July 30, 2018 10:40am
  - Stamper
    
    Why bother to use it to improve their lot? After all, Tainui have had four “full-and-final settlements” over the last 100 odd years.
    
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    July 30, 2018 11:44pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Ngapuhi can’t expect more than Ngai Tahu or Tainui. Around $500 million in current terms. Sonny Tau must know this, so a claim for $1.5 billion is ludicrous.
  
  It is the sort of figure one would claim if you don’t want to settle. Plus like all othe claims the settlement has to be full and final. Not easy to achieve with Ngapuhi in its current state.
  
  Can Little do a deal in the next two years? It will be a challenge.
  
  Ngapuhi may have to wait till 2030 when a new generation of leaders actually ready to settle take charge. In fact maybe even 2040 on the 200th anniversary of the Treaty!
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:24am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Ask that great Ngapuhi leader, Uncle Shane, he’s got deep pocketfuls of taxpayers money.
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:30am
  - starboard
    
    Full and final..really ?? What about the top up rort ?
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:31am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      It will never be over until the population of NZ says enough. Handouts just create more grasping hands.
      R Kipling:
      “And that is called paying the Dane-geld; but we’ve proved it again and again, that if once you have paid him the Dane-geld you never get rid of the Dane”
      
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      July 30, 2018 10:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Ngai Tahu have a perpetual top up clause and have had 5 settlements.
    
    All tribes should strive to outdo that incredible generosity by the gubmints of the day on behalf of the perpetually suffering tax payer!
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
    
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    July 30, 2018 10:35am
  - Scott
    
    Unfortunately it seems that whether the government is labour or national they both are quite comfortable for treaty claims to carry on in perpetuity. Like when will this ever be over? When will Maori interests say yes we have had enough apologies and we have been paid enough money and now we are settled?
    
    Given Ngapuhi claiming $1.5 billion I would say never. Because if they get anything like that figure other tribes will be back in for top ups.
    
    The government should close the book on claims. They should then settle the claims quickly and expeditiously and then the country can finally move on.
    
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    July 30, 2018 10:46am
    - starboard
      
      Both Liarbor and National have no balls.
      It will take a public uprising to stop it.
      
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      July 30, 2018 11:26am
  - GoVege
    
    Ngapuhi are the lot who grabbed muskets in the decade before the TOW and headed down the line butchering tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children.
    Why the hell should they be receiving billions, millions or anything?
    They should be shelling it out to the descendants of the survivors of their atrocities.
    
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    July 30, 2018 3:44pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Good points Wayne and remember Tainui & Ngai Tahu will be entitled to further payments in order to keep relativity when Nghapui finally settle. Sorry, but this is a taxpayer funded gravey train.
    
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    July 30, 2018 5:35pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Well I’d love to think you were right Mr Mapp. But most sane commentators would’ve discounted the possibility that the CoL would unilaterally decide to execute NZ’s oil industry on a whim and without even a skerrit of official advice or consultation.
    
    We’re seeing unprecedented levels of pork barrelling going on to keep the NZ First vote on the reservation – we all know that once you given in to any form of extortion, it only gets worse and worse.
    
    So I fear your moderate and progressive view on this issue may be coming from the wrong plane of existence to be relevant.
    
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    July 30, 2018 8:12pm
  - Jigsaw
    
    Its National with their absurd settlements (Ngai Tahu getting 6 settlements so far) from their ghastly minister that have raised such expectations. Why would it ever end when there is so much money just waiting for a bit of fake history.
    
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    July 31, 2018 4:00pm
duggledog

One of them plays the drums. Takes some skill.

One of them plays other people’s records. Takes no skill.
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July 30, 2018 9:08am
Captain Mainwaring

Kokila,
I have an alarm clock for sale.
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July 30, 2018 9:10am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Give it to him!
  
  What is an alarm clock to the furtherment of the cause!
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:24am
Colville

This would be a good week to go bush to hide from the endless drivel and baby pictures…!
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July 30, 2018 9:11am
- sooty
  
  Lets hope she takes a bit of time with her appearance, before returning.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I will give her my collection of paper bags. . . .
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:25am
    - sooty
      
      Are they for putting on the head or been sick in?
      
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      July 30, 2018 9:29am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I would suggest the reinforced ones for the latter but either or.
        
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        July 30, 2018 9:31am
  - cmm
    
    “Lets hope she takes a bit of time with her appearance”
    
    No she will be milking the haggard look for as long as possible to get sympathy. That overworked-young-mother victim card is going to get a hell of a workout.
    
    We don’t stress too much if a new mum lets the vacuuming slide a bit, so surely she should get some slack over the shit management of the economy.
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:34am
    - sooty
      
      The scum media have been giving her some slack since she took over from Angry.
      
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      July 30, 2018 9:43am
      - cmm
        
        Yup they have, now they’ll just give her more.
        
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        July 30, 2018 9:53am
    - RF
      
      Unfortunately for the SLG until recently with the assistance of the MSM she has got away with mutton being dressed as lamb.
      
      From now on get used to the haggard look as what you see is what you get. I doubt if Weta Workshops will be able to improve her looks.
      
      She is so self centered poor wee squirrel will be the one who will suffer.
      
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      July 30, 2018 10:51am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I’ve yet to see a photo of her not resembling Mr Ed or any other equine animal.
    
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    July 30, 2018 5:40pm
starboard

Another hungry taniwha needs feeding…
Courtesy of Hosons Pledge.

“The taniwha is awaiting another feed, this time regarding a proposed bypass on State Highway 3 from Awakino Gorge to Mount Messenger in Northern Taranaki.

To ensure trouble-free progress on the project, the New Zealand Land Transport Association has offered Ngati Tama a 120ha farm plus other cultural redress. That tribe is also asking that iwi be employed on this road job.

One other major land owner there is getting virtually nothing, according to a source in the area. There is pressure for equal compensation irrespective of skin colour.

Regional “relationships” director Parekawhia McLean should be reminded that if LTSA wants to give a farm to affected iwi they should be prepared to give a farm to the other affected landowners and asked, if not, why not?

McLean has been with the Transport Agency since September 2016 after five years as the chief executive officer of Waikato–Tainui/Te Whakakitenga o Waikato.”
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July 30, 2018 9:14am
- RF
  
  More evidence of separatism in our fair … sorry brown… country.
  
  And people are concerned about the cultural divide that’s prevalent in the country…. go figure….
  
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  July 30, 2018 11:35am
Manolo

Europe’s cultural enrichment:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-26/600-migrants-armed-flamethrowers-and-feces-break-through-spanish-border-morocco

Some 800 sub-Saharan migrants attempted to cross the border between Morocco and the Spanish enclave of Ceuta at 6:45am through a high fence. While 602 of them succeeded, 15 law enforcement officers were injured in the clashes and later taken to a hospital, the Spanish Civil Guard reported.
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July 30, 2018 9:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo, to think you could readily be mistaken for one of them!
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:18am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, you could say that, my Muslim friend. 🙂
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:21am
  - sooty
    
    Stephie, we know already that you do. Goat shagging runs in the family.
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:23am
  - Colville
    
    I doubt that many (if any) of the human crime wave sweeping into Europe have Manolo’s cultural refinement or taste for expensive Cabernet!
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:47am
    - Manolo
      
      Long live Cabernet Sauvignon, king of all grape variteies.
      
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      July 30, 2018 10:06am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I’d be inclined to agree, but I do have a weakness for a truly great Riesling.
        
        And Cabernet blends, really brings out the best f Cabernet with a bit of merlot, petit Verdot, Malbec, Cabernet Franc, what ever lifts the bouquet and colour.
        
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        July 30, 2018 10:12am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        To hell with the whites – give me a good complex shiraz any day. 🙂
        
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        July 30, 2018 11:14am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The fence is either poorly constructed or poorly supported by other defensive infrastructure.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:21am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Fences only keep honest people out.
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  Funny how it’s ok for Spain (and the EU ) to have a whooer of a fence between its enclave and the rest of Africa , with the sole purpose of keeping out Africans and other rif raf.
  
  But its not ok for Trump and the USA to do exactly the same thing on its southern border.
  
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  July 30, 2018 1:29pm
stephieboy

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Japan accelerates wind power development as govt support pays off: study

“TOKYO (Reuters) – With a month to go this fiscal year, Japan’s installation of new wind power capacity in 2016-17 is set to come in almost double that of the previous 12 months, propelled by higher tariffs guaranteed by Tokyo and a rising number of offshore wind farms.

The agency didn’t estimate how much has been invested in the new turbines, but the figures underline the pace of wind power’s development in Japan since the Fukushima nuclear disaster in 2011 triggered a drive to develop new energy sources….”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-renewables-wind/japan-accelerates-wind-power-development-as-govt-support-pays-off-study-idUSKBN1670VP
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July 30, 2018 9:17am
- starboard
  
  Quick shariaboy, if you sprint down to Starbucks you may see some of those young nubile muslim girls with shapely bodies wandering off to their intermediate school.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:24am
- DJ Ward
  
  I was watching a program on Japan last night. They had a tea growing area that had amongst it a whole network of small turbines. So not only do the farmers earn money from tea at around $50 a kilo dried but they earn money from the windmills too.
  
  Pity we are too ignorant to think to do the same thing.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:33am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Pity we are too ignorant to think to do the same thing.
    
    Who is “we” in that sentence?
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:44am
  - Colville
    
    We have turbines on sheep farms on land that is so windy the tea bushes would be blown out to sea.
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:49am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Those small turbines might have been fans on poles that the tea farmers switch on to dispel frosts (like kiwifruit farmers getting helicopters to fly low over their vines).
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:58am
- Colinxy
  
  Missed this bit:
  
  “Wind operators also still benefit for comparatively higher prices for their power under a feed-in-tariff scheme introduced in 2012, where certain renewable suppliers get guaranteed rates based on source of input. ”
  
  i.e. not competitive and needs the taxpayer to subsidise.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:38am
- All_on_Red
  
  The key words are “propelled by higher tariffs guaranteed by Tokyo”
  
  Gotta love that Corporate Welfare. Lucky we are not so ignorant that we end up like Germany with high electricity prices due to wind turbine subsidies and how they make the land owners rich from the rent they get for the land the turbines are on.
  
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  July 30, 2018 11:43am
Paulus Gnome

Helen not meeting Mr Avery.

https://youtu.be/p3SwNfONBC0

Courtesy of the JC fanboy
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July 30, 2018 9:20am
- sooty
  
  “Baby Killer Klark” proven to be a LIAR AGAIN!!!!
  Looks like that Phool Goof gets to keep his job.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:26am
Manolo

Bruised and battered:
https://nypost.com/2018/07/28/wall-street-finally-taught-zuckerberg-the-lesson-he-deserved/

This week Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg finally got the whack across the nose that many had hoped Congress would give him back in April.

The social-media giant’s stock price took a spectacular nose dive Thursday after the company forecast a slowdown in the rate of new user sign-ups. Analysts reckon Facebook’s limp response to the European Union’s recently enacted digital privacy laws also soured investors on its near-term financial future.
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July 30, 2018 9:20am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo , maybe the President can act as a business role model for Mark?
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/?utm_term=.5e2f69adda96
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:24am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sigh . . .
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:28am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Really hard to work out how this could’ve happened to poor Mark?
  
  I mean who could’ve predicted that, if you go after 50% of your market by accusing them of being hate speech alt-right fascists and infringing their freedom of expression, that a goodly proportion of them would tell you to fuck yourself and your intrusive, spying, ad-pushing, pedo-helping social network.
  
  More proof that libtards are eating themselves in response to their deepening TDS problems.
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:31pm
MCos

A woman rang for an ambulance in Tampa for her daughter. They came to the house, but figured she couldn’t pay for the service so left without her.
Her mother took her to the hospital in her car.
She subsequently died.
It’s a mean old world sometimes.
https://nyti.ms/2NTo5Wt?smid=nytcore-ios-share
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July 30, 2018 9:23am
- DJ Ward
  
  Yes Obamas health care laws suck.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:35am
  - stephieboy
    
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    DJ Ward , no Obama’s health care reforms were a step in the right direction to prevent that.
    
    You’re not suggesting we follow in Trump’s and the GOP’s direction on health care to stop that kind of madness?
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:41am
    - Inandout
      
      steph, try living in China with JinpingCare, or North Korea with KimCare.
      
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      July 30, 2018 10:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      IDIOT
      Obamacare saw health costs rise
      Premiums doubled
      deductibles doubled
      NOBODY could afford it.
      
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      July 30, 2018 11:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Where was the father? How did he help?
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:59am
- suzieq
  
  And most Americans seem not to believe in Darwin and evolution … Yet their health system almost mandates it.
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:42pm
secondcumming

Despite Angry’s recent outbursts against Peter Dutton’s stance on the deportation of NZ crims back here, we do have a few things to thank Ozzie for. Stopping the boatloads of illegal aliens headed this way for a start!

Watch what happens when a Zodiac packed to the gunnels with African Muslums invade a *Spanish nudist beach on the Costa del Sol* last week. Watch the pathetic attempt by a Coast Guard launch as it attempts to intercept them. As long as Spain and other Euro countries continue to welcome these invaders, they will get what they deserve….rape, murder and mayhem.

You’d have to wonder how our own Coastal Patrol Boats would react if faced with a similar situation off Auckland’s most popular nudist beach…..*Ladies Bay*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRx6FTPD_bM
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July 30, 2018 9:24am
- DJ Ward
  
  Was a 23 year old blond Canadian driving?
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:39am
KevOB

☑️☑️
In celebration that the worm has turned.
Jacinda and the COL are now getting criticised.
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July 30, 2018 9:27am
- RalphT
  
  And about time. While it may take a while before others in the MSM cotton on to how appalling this lot are we should not forget the words of Lau Zi: a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:39am
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Some quotes from Molyneux in Australia:

I want you you remember that great evils were halted with the advent of whites to Australia as great evils were halted with the advent of whites to South Africa”

https://twitter.com/SimonCopland/status/1023146540649537536

The guy is worse than I expected
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July 30, 2018 9:34am
- cmm
  
  I don’t know enough of Australian history to comment on that, but I do know something about South African history.
  
  Before the whites ran South Africa, the country was a cesspit of civil war. Sure, European countries had civil wars and the Boer war in South Africa was a civil war, but the pre-colonial black population made it into an artform.
  
  The Mfecane was the last of these periods of genocide and that killed about half the population.
  
  Pol Pot got a similar result, but the Bantu managed to do it without any mechanised transport, guns and over a larger area.
  
  Just as the Roman Empire enforced Pax Romana , the Brits enforced Pax Britannica. That resulted in relative peace since then.
  
  Colonisation was the best thing that happened to Africa.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:47am
  - kevn
    
    @cmm… Rhodesia used to be the food bowl of Africa. Now? Just a rubbish dump of corruption.
    
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    July 30, 2018 11:06am
    - cmm
      
      Like some other countries in Africa, the Zimbabweans seem to be slowly realising that farms don’t grow food by themselves but need careful management by skilled farmers.
      
      Zim seems to be giving back some land to whites to start farming again. I’d be hesitant to try though because, most likely, there will be another swing to communism and lad grabbing in ten years or so.
      
      Unfortunately for South Africa, things will have to get worse and hit bottom before they get better…. if it ever does get better. Nowhere else in Africa has really got better, so why should SA?
      
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      July 30, 2018 11:44am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      To be fair, Zimbabwe started to go downhill after Ian Smith’s unilateral declaration of independence, then the commencement of the Mugabe regime.
      
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      July 30, 2018 12:44pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Smith was backed into a corner by the Wilson govt over UDI. After that the guerilla warfare escalated and sapped the country over a 14 year period though.
        
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        July 30, 2018 5:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  In ‘uncivilized’ or pre-state cultures (like hunter gathers or primitive agricultural) where the land is relatively fecund (people not continually struggling to scrape together enough food to eat to survive winter etc) death rates from warfare and homicide often run at about 0.5-2% per year. In colonised countries it would generally be <0.05% per year. In western world it approaches .001% per year.
  
  Colonialism was generally awesome for the standard of living of the colonised. Excepting Belgians. They were complete monsters.
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:24am
  - cmm
    
    Of the Europeans, the Belgians would indeed seem to be the worst.
    
    Still, I think I’d take them over the Arabs.
    
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    July 30, 2018 11:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    UN and Inandout etc, and the Germans also with the Kaiser’s Holocaust in former SW Africa ( Now Namibia)
    
    Of course, you can’t preclude a clown like you leading a team of Honkey mercenaries to reoccupy former Rhodesia.
    
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    July 30, 2018 12:50pm
    - Garbageman
      
      Dude the first step of insulting people is to get the spelling correct otherwise your argument is deemed automatically invalid i am a “honky or we are honkies” now write it out 100 times and think about bettering yourself next time please
      
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      July 30, 2018 2:18pm
- Inandout
  
  “There is nothing that is going to make people hate you more, and love you more, than telling the truth.”
  ― Stefan Molyneux
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:50am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, another deliciously rich irony factor coming from one as deluded as Molyneux and you!
    
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    July 30, 2018 12:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Horizontal bars in a prison give inmates a better view of the natural world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/29/yoga-herbs-and-sunshine-new-zealand-opens-humane-jail-for-most-violent-inmates
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July 30, 2018 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  MW , what we can call the birdcage effect?
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:46am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Far out – they’ll be doing shit just to get a nice room in there.
  What’s with the spelling ‘program’ ? Bastards.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    Left Right and Centre, I had obviously this more in mind for you,
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthpicturegalleries/9007306/The-Ape-Crusaders-by-Sean-Whyte-highlights-the-problems-facing-orangutans.html?image=2
      
      LOL
      
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      July 30, 2018 9:54am
- cmm
  
  I wonder if they also pipe frogs and stream music over the PA system?
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:48am
- Nostradamus
  
  Here’s an alternative view of justice: ‘No One Is Higher Than Me,’ Sheriff Arpaio Tells Inmate
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    Nostradamus, a culture of corruption pervades Arpaio’s tenure ,
    
    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/criminal-enterprise-a-culture-of-corruption-pervades-joe-arpaios-office-affecting-everyone-in-maricopa-county-7383399
    
    And let’s add lunacy with that Birth certificate thing.
    
    https://www.newsweek.com/joe-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-862002
    
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    July 30, 2018 9:58am
- Lance
  
  And a foothold, ladder style.
  Oddly enough there is a reason for them being vertical.
  But much better feelz being horizontal.
  
  I was once working on some cameras at Mt Eden Prison. Sone prisoners had won the right to partly opening windows (idiotic court ruling). As a result everytime we needed to access the exterior of a wing it had to be emptied because the prisoners will throw all kind of shit on anyone below the windows.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  It is now called LittleCare.
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:51am
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    Littlejustice
    
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    July 30, 2018 1:38pm
dime

If Jacinda is a “Political Superstar”, what is Key? A Political God?

Jacinda – gets gifted a list seat cause she can’t win one on her own. Then gets gifted one of the safest Labour seats in the country. After standing down from Deputy Leader cause of panic attacks, she gets the leadership 2 months out from the election. Just long enough so its all honeymoon.

She has the most devoted, bias media I think I’ve ever seen in this country just jerking itself off whenever she utters a garbage slogan.

She goes into debates where Hosking has been de-knackered by the media party so he never actually pulls her up on anything.

Come election night, she loses.

Then spends the next weeks saying “yes Winston, whatever you want. you want to be PM? sure, you have the mandate of the people! with your 5.2% or whatever it was”.

Then this Political Superstar gets into office and just rules over fuck up after fuck up as our dollar plunges, business confidence plummets, national strikes start etc etc

Now how the fuck is that a political superstar?????

Who only looks at the top line when assessing performance?

eg Dimes business jumps 30% in turnover for the year! Dime must be a Business Superstar!!! oh wait, it turns out he drastically overpaid for another small business that increased his turnover while dropping all profitability and making his company take a huge hit in customer confidence.

but that one number is up! SUPERSTAR!
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July 30, 2018 9:39am
- Harkman
  
  Gosh, she really looks tired or she normally wears a lot of makeup (literally plants it on with undercoat). While the media was praising her post yesterday, the truth is she needs a break. I’m beginning to feel sorry her.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:50am
  - sooty
    
    Roofus the painter been giving lessons on how to use a plastering trowel?
    
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    July 30, 2018 11:27am
- cmm
  
  At the rate Jacinda is going, Labour is going to be out of power for at least 10 years come the next election.
  
  That makes her a superstar in my book!
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    I hope you are right (correct)
    But there will need to be a big swing against the COL in the press, and in the streets and offices, and in the polls.
    I have not seen it yet.
    I think we need to wait another year or so.
    
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    July 30, 2018 11:35am
    - cmm
      
      I think we’re getting to the stage where the average voter no longer believes MSM. An endorsement of MSM probably isn’t worth as much as it once was.
      
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      July 30, 2018 11:47am
    - rockape
      
      The “Press are largely losing their Audience so who cares. 5 years and they wont matter. Free bloggs however will make up the difference and individuals will decide to read what they want, not what drops in their post box.
      
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      July 30, 2018 1:32pm
      - Inandout
        
        The DomPost has gone to $2.80, so they obviously believe if you raise prices it will cure income problems. Sad arses.
        
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        July 30, 2018 3:13pm
- Philview
  
  I read various international news media and hard not to notice the same liberal issues being played out in several countries. I don’t think it is a coincidence and getting Jacinda into power in NZ is seen as a powerful international marker for the Liberals. It would be interesting to know the power base behind these people. Legalise pot, euthanasia, open up borders, LGBT, abortion reform, ban Lauren Southern etc. The curious one for me is that we have an NZ Government strongly advocating for open borders in the US, UK and Australia but not exactly keen on the concept here.
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:13am
  - dime
    
    “The curious one for me is that we have an NZ Government strongly advocating for open borders in the US, UK and Australia but not exactly keen on the concept here”
    
    maybe its a size thing? we cant absorb many people easily.
    
    so if you bring 10,000 Muslim rapists, the stats will be immediate and appalling. not a good look overseas?
    
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    July 30, 2018 10:49am
    - Philview
      
      Good point. I have taken note of places like Sweden where it is getting harder for their Government to hide the emerging problems.
      
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      July 30, 2018 1:14pm
      - Philview
        
        I have just searched up an article on grenade attacks in Sweden. If we started getting grenade attacks in places like Timaru it wouldn’t be a vote winner.
        
        https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/
        
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        July 30, 2018 1:21pm
  - brett68
    
    My guess would be the UN
    
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    July 30, 2018 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Am I to understand that if I now wish to claim ACC as my wife tells me off and hurts my feelings, do I have to be a member of ME Tu, and do I have to declare that I am a Lesbian also, to get compensation?
    
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    July 30, 2018 1:59pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Labour went from 26% 1st Aug to 37% at election (+11), while Greens (as a result of backing benefit fraud) went from ~14% to 6% (-8), and NZFuckwits went from 10-7% (-3).
  
  National went from ~46% August 1st to 44.5% election night. Almost no change.
  
  Reality is that Ardern took about 1-2% off National during her media-pumped honeymoon. But gained massively from Greens stupidity. She’s no rockstar. It was always about Winston’s fondness for baubles, nothing else significant occurred at the election.
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:21pm
dime

I watched a Lauren Southern video the other day.

She goes to Lakemba (leb area in Sydney).

A cop asks her why she’s filming and why she’s going to the mosque and she says – I’m going there to ask people confronting questions. the cop says – then don’t go.

apparently, that makes Lakemba a Muslim no go zone.

oh, my favourite bit – Lakemba has Sharia Law according to her LMAO

It’s Lakemba for fucks sake. Its safe my blonde self to go there happily.

I probably wouldn’t stroll around the streets at night, but I wouldn’t do that in Otara either.
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July 30, 2018 9:46am
- Harkman
  
  Hey Dime, did you ever see the Father Ted episode where Bishop Brennan sent Ted and Dougal to protest the screening of a nude flick in town? All it did was raise the profile of the film, free advertising. I honestly had never heard of them before.
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How did the cops know that Southern was in Lakemba?
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:01am
- stephieboy
  
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  “Lakemba a Muslim no go zone.” ??
  
  Why try and visit it?
  
  How did the police know? Likely media scrum following or she simply announced her intentions
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:04am
Harkman

Good news folks, they are planting 40 trees on the Port Hills today. That’s gotta help? Right? For 27 seconds ?
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July 30, 2018 9:46am
- noskire
  
  Plants installed by the Government in Christchurch park dying
  
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  July 30, 2018 9:59am
  - Harkman
    
    Well that just means that the tree counter might be understating the task at hand ?
    
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    July 30, 2018 10:39am
kowtow

The media wanted us to believe it was all about celebrating multiculturalism. Not so much coverage of this.

‘Victims reported that they were forcibly kissed, groped on the breasts and buttocks, and even grabbed between their legs, with sociologist Eric Neveu suggesting that a sense of “collective euphoria” coupled with a belief that punishment was unlikely had stimulated an atmosphere of “impunity”.’

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/19/france-dozens-women-complain-sex-attacking-during-world-cup-celebrations/
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July 30, 2018 10:51am
secondcumming

If you want a REAL laugh, next time you go on a Roller-Coaster, take a handful of old bolts with you. Then as the ride starts, lean forward to the guy in front of you and say, “Excuse me, these just came out of your seat”
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July 30, 2018 11:02am
Komata

Has anyone else received this automated message response (or similar) when trying to report something (no names; it happens) this morning: ‘IT SEEMS YOU ALREADY REPORTED THIS COMMENT. JULY 30, 2018 xx:xx AM’

Not unsual in itself EXCEPT that I had (a) not reported anything beforehand and (b) definitely NOT at the time indicated.

It gives the term ‘pre-empted’ a whole new meaning.

Perhaps DPF should investigate?
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July 30, 2018 11:03am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Worked for me. I was able to report hugh… now to report soyboy
  
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  July 30, 2018 12:49pm
DJ Ward

Why are people trying to ban this?
After listening to the anti free speech people and what they have claimed he says I found this a very interesting thing to watch. Because his speech is completely different in substance than claimed.

PS While I could find a few comments worth debating him on, overall he is correct.

If you wish to give a slanderous response, how about adding a reasoned, factual argument instead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=1zXOYTPcFyM
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July 30, 2018 11:21am
Hugh Pavletich

… CHRISTCHURCH NZ … HOUSE PRICES SINK … SPECULATORS FLEE …

‘Severely unaffordable’ Christchurch NZ ( 5.4 Median Multiple … Demographia Survey … http://www.demographia.com ) prices sink as speculators ( investors ? ) flee … due to sustained new housing production …

… Ignore inappropriate title … focus on CoreLogic suburban price and price trends graphs …

Christchurch house prices may pick up as city buyers enjoy most affordable market in more than a decade | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/105774354/christchurch-house-prices-may-pick-up-as-city-buyers-enjoy-most-affordable-market-in-more-than-a-decade
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Recent comment by Government Property Consultancy Quotable Value …

QV’s average property values have fallen in Auckland, Tauranga and Wellington over the last three months – vendors warned against unrealistic price expectations … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94608/qvs-average-property-values-have-fallen-auckland-tauranga-and-wellington-over-last

Quotable Value is warning flattening or falling house prices mean we are now in a buyer’s market and some vendors may have unrealistic expectations about what their property is worth …

… In Christchurch sales activity was slowing while property values were flat overall, according to QV Christchurch property consultant Hamish Collins.

There was growing interest for new builds in and around the city centre, but an oversupply of land and developments in fringe districts and on the outskirts of the city, he said.

These included areas such as Halswell, Wigram, Preston and the Selwyn and Waimakariri districts.

“We are seeing some developers offering new builds or recently constructed properties at discounts as a way to free up cash for their next project,” Collins said.

“This is having a flow on effect on the overall value of new builds or existing properties in these areas,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… An important earlier report …

… A few further lessons from Greater Christchurch … (The GREATS are the smaller and functional Selwyn and Waimakariri Councils) …

Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town

It was supposed to be a post-quake phenomenon, yet there is little sign of it slowing. Why are rural fringe towns like Lincoln still growing so fast? JOHN McCRONE reports.

The contrast is striking. In central Christchurch, Fletcher Living is taking forever to get going on its East Frame townhouse and apartment block development.

Government and council have agreed that denser inner city housing is vital to making a success of the earthquake rebuild. Yet despite inking a deal with Fletcher to build nearly 1000 homes back in 2015, the first 20 properties won’t be finished until late this year.

The buyers just don’t seem to be there for them. And so the East Frame development has been uphill all the way.

However, take the road half an hour out of town to Lincoln and the story is the opposite. This once sleepy village has exploded with subdivisions. Its residential footprint is now 10 times what it was 20 years ago.

READ MORE:
* Rolleston: Time to take it seriously
* Christchurch’s $600 million motorways
* Christchurch’s next problem: bringing residents back into the CBD
* Government ‘locked in’ to contract for delay-riddled east frame
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July 30, 2018 11:30am
- starboard
  
  You are such a pest HP.
  
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  July 30, 2018 11:58am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    WHAT SHOULD A ‘MEDIAN’ HOUSE COST ? … STUFF / FAIRFAX READERS POLL …
    
    (Original title) Don’t’ touch the HAM: Its off ! … Rob Stock … Stuff / Fairfax NZ
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/104817263/Don-t-touch-the-HAM-its-off
    
    … Extract … Readers poll …
    
    What should a ‘median’ house cost?
    
    No more than three times median household income
    33%
    Up to four times median household income
    29%
    Five times is acceptable
    18%
    Six or more is okay in this day and age
    9%
    Not sure
    11%
    2.2k votes
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    UPDATE – New (IPSOS) survey reveals housing, poverty and healthcare most concern New Zealanders – NZ Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12047092
    
    A recent survey on key issues concerning New Zealanders has shown that housing accessibility and affordability are at the forefront of people’s minds.
    
    The first of the quarterly New Zealand Issues Monitor reports, run by global market research company Ipsos, interviewed 610 respondents over the age of 16.
    
    It sought to track what New Zealanders were concerned about, who is worried about what and which political parties are seen to be best able to improve matters. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    July 30, 2018 12:08pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      “Don’t’ touch the HAM: Its off ! …”
      
      Sounds like you’ve masturbated over your keyboard again?
      
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      July 30, 2018 1:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Sorry I just reported you by mistake.
    
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    July 30, 2018 1:15pm
rangitoto

Helen Clark never heard of Sir Ray Avery folks:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjP4ncMUYAE2l0Y.jpg
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July 30, 2018 11:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  Memory loss for the elderly is a terrible thing.
  
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  July 30, 2018 1:24pm
waikatogirl

Winston says Cindy will be PM from mid-night this Thursday when he departs NZ shores on his duties as minister of foreign affairs. Has anyone else become aware of this?
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July 30, 2018 1:16pm
kevn

@WGirl… JA said she is back next week sometime.
So who’s in charge again?
No pressure JA, just be there, ok? I’m overdue for another bauble trip.
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July 30, 2018 1:31pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Winnie was asked on TV1 who would be in charge when he left the country. His reply was he was “leaving Thursday for meetings as foreign minister and Cindy would be PM from mid-night.” I wonder if he has told Cindy that he is leaving the big chair empty for her? Chop-chop Cindy, you’re up.
  
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  July 30, 2018 1:59pm
MrTips

Research you can trust . But which hand would Cindy use? Winston would use both?
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July 30, 2018 1:31pm
kevn

and the Nats spent too much time slagging of winnie at their conference. All they do is give him exposure/more oxygen.
Achieves nothing. Disappointing.
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July 30, 2018 1:33pm
graham

Man changes gender on ID to get cheaper car insurance.

A 23-year-old driver has legally changed his gender so he could significantly reduce his car insurance premium.

The Canadian man, who is identified as David, was fed up with paying extraordinary prices so decided to alter the gender on his birth certificate and driver’s license.

He told CBC News he’s saved more than $1,100 to date since making the change.

“I’m a man, 100 per cent. Legally, I’m a woman,” David said.

“I did it for cheaper car insurance. I didn’t feel like getting screwed over anymore.

“It was pretty simple. I just basically asked for it and told (the doctor) that I identify as a woman, or I’d like to identify as a woman, and he wrote me the letter I wanted.”

He sent the letter off to the government registration department and within three weeks he received a new birth certificate indicating his gender as female.

With all the required documentation, David then changed his driver’s license, allowing him to take out the cheaper insurance policy as a woman.

Strangely, the trans community isn’t happy about this!

David’s gender stunt has caused an uproar in the transgender community in Canada, with many believing his actions are hurting those who struggle with identity issues.

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David says he didn’t mean any disrespect to the trans community, he just wanted a better rate on insurance.

But his excuse doesn’t fly with trans woman Marini Panas, who believes the damage is already done.

Whether he says, ‘I didn’t mean to do harm to the trans community,’ is irrelevant because the impact is very real to a community that is already quite vulnerable,” she said.

“And he lied, so that really speaks to this person’s integrity. I certainly would question this person’s motives. It ends up being a big stunt.”

I think his motives are quite plain – cheaper insurance!

Anyway, isn’t it about FEELZ nowadays? Maybe he FEELZ that he drives just as safely as any woman … therefore he is as good as a woman … therefore he IS a woman!

Makes perfect sense to me.
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July 30, 2018 1:38pm
- ross411
  
  Good catch. This will be entertaining to watch. If enough people follow this man in putting in a gender not backed up by genetics, then hopefully insurance companies will classify transgender men as men regardless of what they claim, rather than penalising all women for a minority of people that want genetics to be ignored.
  
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  July 30, 2018 1:46pm
- Longknives
  
  I wonder if I can go to one of those Women Only Gyms if I ‘Identify’ as a Woman?
  *I’ve seen on Pornhub what goes on in those places…
  
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  July 30, 2018 1:52pm
  - graham
    
    The answer is, apparently, “No”. 🙂
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104300841/womenonly-gym-denies-transgender-woman-from-joining
    
    Long story short; Penelopy Mansell has legally changed her legal gender on her birth certificate, but has not had gender reassignment surgery. (IE she has a bit of paper to say she’s a woman, but to all intents and purposes is still physically a man). In May she wanted to join a women’s gym as she doesn’t feel safe in a gym with male clients. The gym said, unsurprisingly, that’s not good enough. Actually they didn’t put it like that; what they said was that all transgendered persons must have a medically-recognised sexual reassignment surgery prior to using the gym.
    
    And here’s the bit that does my head in – Penelopy is quoted as saying “How can a gym just be solely women, and what grounds do they accept women on?”
    
    Umm … didn’t you just say that you wanted to join a WOMAN’S GYM as you don’t feel safe in a gym with male clients? And now you say, how can a gym be exclusive to women only?
    
    Sorry, I back the gym on this one. Presumably they want to provide an environment where women feel comfortable, and for some women that means working out without men around to leer. I get that. If the gym allows someone to join in who is physically a man but says “Oh, but really I’m a woman” then I suspect their membership of ACTUAL women would plummet.
    
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    July 30, 2018 2:34pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Penelopy Mansell has a psychological problem.
      He needs a good psychiatrist rather than a surgeon, or a loaded pistol to the head in his own hand – because in the majority of cases, that is how it will end up with these poor unfortunates.
      
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      July 30, 2018 5:35pm
Longknives

We have discussed this pathetic Joel Maxwell character a bit here on Kiwiblog.
He writes regular columns on Stuff mocking and sneering at Pakeha (Who he openly detests)
This week he had a change of tack- And attacked Simon Bridges for not speaking Maori!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/105807047/joel-maxwell-simon-bridges-could-set-an-example-by-learning-his-language

He also seems to be rather desperately trying to start a ‘Donald Trump’s Hands’ thing regarding Simon’s feet- Does anyone out there really care about Simon Bridge’s shoe size?

This guy Maxwell claims to be a ‘High Achiever’. That I can ascertain this rather arrogant self assessment is because he writes for Stuff?…
Good luck with your career champ!
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July 30, 2018 2:07pm
noskire

Question: If you were schizophrenic and one of your personalities gave you a swift uppercut, could one of your other personalities claim the 10 day’s domestic violence leave?
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July 30, 2018 2:16pm
- sam green
  
  Perhaps you should read up on schizophrenia.
  
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  July 30, 2018 3:45pm
- Morrissey
  
  Witless, unfunny, ignorant. Do you by any chance happen to work at NewstalkZB from 8:30 a.m. on weekdays?
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

UK Labour Party still getting in a tangle over its antisemitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/29/shocked-my-party-offending-jews-says-labour-mp-antisemitism-ian-austin
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July 30, 2018 2:30pm
- Morrissey
  
  Nobody thinks Corbyn is anti-semitic Maggy. You’re simply amplifying the black propaganda of the Blairite rump of the Labour Party.
  
  Shame on you.
  
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  July 30, 2018 6:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You’ve not been keeping yourself informed about the balls-up UK Labour has made over the anti-semites in the party.
    
    Why attack/discipline the Labour MPs of Jewish Heritage?
    Why not deal with the Party folk who have expressed anti- Jew sentiments?
    
    That’s where Corbyn has fallen down… He has allowed this issue to fester.
    
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    July 30, 2018 7:01pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Morrissey is reaaaaally ignorant.
      “Labour today suspended councillor Damien Enticott over social media posts claiming Jewish people “drink blood and suck baby’s dick”, that Jewish people are “murdering bastards” who “should be gassed”, and that “Hitler would have a solution to the Israel problem”. Enticott’s defence is that he was hacked. Repeatedly. Over the course of several years. And he didn’t notice until now.”
      https://order-order.com/2018/07/27/labour-suspends-yet-another-councillor-anti-semitism/
      
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      July 30, 2018 8:22pm
- realityczech
  
  “its antisemitism.”
  
  But Maggy many on here think they are sympathetic to the Palestinians.
  
  Did you really mean something else when you referred to Semites?
  
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  July 30, 2018 7:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, of course,
    I was using antisemitism in the sense that it is being thrashed over by the UK Labour Party…. which is having difficulty in adopting the definition of antisemitism put up by the IHRA.
    
    https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/node/196
    
    Like Carbon=Carbon dioxide/Carbon-free/ predator-free/ sugar -free etc, etc..I acknowledge the inherent difficulty of applying Semite/anti-semite to a subset of the larger but same group.
    
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    July 30, 2018 7:38pm
    - realityczech
      
      No one has been able to explain why anti Semitism is somehow any worse than being anti other human groups such as: Anti – Muslims, Slavs, Christians, Maori, Palestinians, Soccer players, Pedophiles, Chinese etc.
      
      Perhaps you can Maggy?
      
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      July 30, 2018 7:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think we should be pro-pedophiles.
        I’m quite happy to be anti-illegals (gangs/ violent folks/thieves/liars, etc)
        
        There is no reason in my mind why one group of humans should rank above (or below) another.
        
        And it amuses me no end how a political party that once believed in equal rights for all gets itself into tangles over the especial rights of special peoples (of some religious/racial/gendered ilk).
        
        But I don’t think most folks are into my plagiarised vision of a Peaceable Kingdom
        https://fineartamerica.com/art/paintings/peaceable+kingdom
        
        So all I’m pointing out is that UK Labour has got themselves a problem, because they cannot assure their membership that all have the right to live in peace and be treated with respect.
        There are factions in UK Labour and Mr Corbyn is failing to lead them to a Peaceable Kingdom.
        
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        July 30, 2018 8:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        “There is no reason in my mind why one group of humans should rank above (or below) another.”
        
        Anyone who uses the term Anti-Semite as a pejorative clearly does think some people rank above others.
        
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        July 30, 2018 8:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well perhaps you would like to take that little matter up with the UK Labour Party, because they are the ones getting themselves into a tizz over the definition of antisemitism.
        
        (Oh, perhaps you’d better organise a group posting because it looks like the European Union Countries and some others are passing laws based on the definition)
        http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/international-shoah-memorial-alliance-adopts-broader-anti-semitism-definition/
        
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        July 30, 2018 8:22pm
DigNap15

Here come the unions….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/105851352/staff-at-sistema-sweatshop-demand-better-work-conditions-and-more-than-minimum-wage

A kiwi success story, exporting plastic stuff all over the world.
Getting lots of hours and the unions are not happy.
Of course the company could put its prices up and price them selves off the market….
So there are no jobs – down from 500!
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July 30, 2018 2:58pm
- Inandout
  
  Silly buggers should open a factory in China, NZ workers just don’t get it.
  
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  July 30, 2018 3:18pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Now that the business is owned offshore they are highly likely to do that if the unions kick up a fuss.
    
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    July 30, 2018 4:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, there’s no point operating such a manufacturing business in a developed country unless the new owners can recoup their enormous investment by imposing third world wage and conditions. Seeing that is illegal in NZ, the owners should move the operation if that’s what will do it for them.
      
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      July 30, 2018 7:54pm
      - DigNap15
        
        So you don’t want any jobs in NZ or any exports then?
        Do you want to import everything?
        What will pay for the imports?
        Who pays your wages?
        
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        July 30, 2018 8:03pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Not my point. Businesses in NZ have to follow our rules and pay our minimum wages. We don’t compete with the third world on low labour costs and no health and safety rules.
        Please note: Sistema reject the union claims.
        
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        July 30, 2018 8:12pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The sooner the COL (coalition of losers) is railroaded, the better. Down with commies
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:06pm
greybeard

Will the Wynyard Quarter trams be redeployed for the proposed Light Rail project in Auckland ?
Will the same people run the new service?
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July 30, 2018 3:42pm
Captain Mainwaring

I hear that some twat NZ unionist has been arrested by Israel for being on a boat trying to run the Gaza blockade (shades of mad Marama).
Now the silly bastard wants the Govt. to help him out.
This will be interesting.
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July 30, 2018 4:41pm
- Morrissey
  
  That’s the government’s job, you fool. Or do we support piracy?
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:36pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Bullshit – he has broken international law. Let him face the consequences of his own dumb action.
    
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    July 30, 2018 5:38pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I know you have no regard for honesty or truthfulness, but people of integrity—and there are many of them reading and contributing to this blog—know perfectly well that it is Israel that has broken international law, yet again. Kidnapping peace protestors is a relatively minor offence compared to killing more than 140 civilians and maiming more than 15,000 since March 30th.
      
      People of integrity and of intelligence recognize those facts. You of course continue to play ignorant. That’s your choice.
      
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      July 30, 2018 5:41pm
    - realityczech
      
      ” he has broken international law.”
      
      Fan of international law are you? I think you are a liar.
      
      The blockade itself is a breach of international law. As is the occupation.
      
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      July 30, 2018 8:22pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Define “piracy”
    
    Which side are the pirates in this case?
    
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    July 30, 2018 6:21pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I knew that post would suck Morris Dancer out of the sewer.
    
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    July 30, 2018 7:37pm
Steve (North Shore)

Well what an experience. I am in Wellington City – flying out tomorrow. Went for a walk up to Parliament wearing my MAGA hat. A BMW pulls up and a guy jumps out saying “where did you get that hat?” I said “my good friend Donald gave it to me.” He goes “I’m an American Banker, it’s good to see all the way down here in NZ”
Made my day!
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July 30, 2018 5:03pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 39: Les Moonves

…. In recent months, Moonves has become a prominent voice in Hollywood’s#MeToo movement. In December, he helped found the Commission on Eliminating Sexual Harassment and Advancing Equality in the Workplace, which is chaired by Anita Hill. “It’s a watershed moment,” Moonves said at a conference in November. “I think it’s important that a company’s culture will not allow for this. And that’s the thing that’s far-reaching. There’s a lot we’re learning. There’s a lot we didn’t know.”

But Moonves’s private actions belie his public statements. Six women who had professional dealings with him told me that, between the nineteen-eighties and the late aughts, Moonves sexually harassed them. Four described forcible touching or kissing during business meetings, in what they said appeared to be a practiced routine. Two told me that Moonves physically intimidated them or threatened to derail their careers. All said that he became cold or hostile after they rejected his advances, and that they believed their careers suffered as a result. “What happened to me was a sexual assault, and then I was fired for not participating,” the actress and writer Illeana Douglas told me. All the women said they still feared that speaking out would lead to retaliation from Moonves, who is known in the industry for his ability to make or break careers. “He has gotten away with it for decades,” the writer Janet Jones, who alleges that she had to shove Moonves off her after he forcibly kissed her at a work meeting, told me. “And it’s just not O.K.” …..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/06/les-moonves-and-cbs-face-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/27/cbss-moonves-in-2017-me-too-is-watershed-moment.html

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students; 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests; 38 Brock Turner
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July 30, 2018 5:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ok, we’ve figured out that you can collect data.
  
  If I was your research supervisor, I’d be expecting something more:
  An outline of your basic hypothesis… what are you trying to prove?
  
  Why have you chosen KB to display (time after time) your data?
  
  What analysis of your data have you conducted?
  Have you noticed any trends?
  Have you reached a conclusion?
  
  Basically, what is your point?
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:39pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Come on Maggy, the point is quite clear, surely? That point is: Many men, in particular rich, privileged and powerful men, are horrid.
    
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    July 30, 2018 5:43pm
    - realityczech
      
      “rich, privileged and powerful men”
      
      Oh you mean the type most women go for? I mean really go for, not what they say they go for.
      
      Those men are surrounded by filthy gold digging sluts day in and day out. They are heroes for what they endure.
      
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      July 30, 2018 5:54pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Jeez mate, seems one of the sisters hurt you bad.
        
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        July 30, 2018 6:25pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Oh you mean the type most women go for?
        
        They don’t go for Trump or Moonves, that’s for sure.
        
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        August 1, 2018 9:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well, has anyone ever disputed that?
      
      (p.s. some poor, disenfranchised men are nasty, nasty, dangerous chaps, too)
      
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      July 30, 2018 5:55pm
  - Swifty
    
    He seeks attention.
    
    Ends.
    
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    July 30, 2018 6:54pm
- realityczech
  
  Morris Dancer, is it your point that women should advance their careers based on merit, rather than their sexuality?
  
  If this catches on expect to see far less women as high earners. The gold digging whores providing victims for your list won’t thank you though.
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Fap fap fap, look at my virtue laydeez, it’s so big, I’m going signal the hell out of it… fap fap fap…
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:35pm
Don the Kiwi

Y’know Morris Dancer – why don’t you talk to someone who really gives a fuck?
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July 30, 2018 5:31pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Amen, amen and amen.
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:33pm
- Morrissey
  
  Well you clearly “give a fuck.” And so would have Mr. Moonves, if the young women he lusted after had given him any encouragement.
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:35pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Nah – I don’t even give a shit. But if I did, it would improve your brain capacity.
    
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    July 30, 2018 5:39pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Sure LOOKS like you “give a shit.”
      
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      July 30, 2018 5:44pm
Morrissey

PIRACY

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/07/30/urgent-mike-treen-kidnapped-by-israel/
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July 30, 2018 5:34pm
- realityczech
  
  It is okay when the Jews do it.
  
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  July 30, 2018 5:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From Morrissey’s link:
  
  Mike Treen is the National Director of the Unite Union, and a veteran human rights defender. and our New Zealand representative on the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. He pre-recorded this urgent SOS message (above) in the advent of the Freedom Flotilla boat, the Al Awda, being hijacked by Israeli forces.
  …
  Please view Mike’s important message and urgently contact the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Rt Hon Winston Peters, asking him to demand the Israeli government immediately release all flotilla participants and ensure the cargo of medical aid is promptly delivered to Gaza.
  
  Just quietly, Morrissey, I don’t think many Kiwiblog readers will recognise Mike as “our New Zealand representative” and respond in the way you’d like them to!
  
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  July 30, 2018 6:10pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”National Director of the Unite Union, and a veteran human rights defender”…..
    
    Definitely expendable. A perfect example of collateral damage if I ever saw one! 🙂
    
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    July 30, 2018 6:16pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      If Israel charges Treen for food, accommodation and return transport, do you think it’s right for him to bludge off his Unite Union mates, or should he pay for it out of his own pocket?
      
      Actually hold that thought – is Treen a net taxpayer?
      
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      July 30, 2018 6:24pm
      - nasska
        
        But he represents the fast food, retail & hospitality sectors. They’ve got plenty of spare cash to pay for his get out of jail card.
        
        Yet it would be hard to describe the POS as value for money.
        
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        July 30, 2018 6:34pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And nothing of value was lost.
      
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      July 30, 2018 8:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    But but but… a few of the 70 million who died in the war 2 were Jews so everything Jews today do is okay.
    
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    July 30, 2018 6:28pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Your weapon of mass distraction may need a bit of fine-tuning…
      
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      July 30, 2018 6:45pm
      - realityczech
        
        How about we talk about what the Jew is doing today?
        
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        July 30, 2018 6:51pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        “the Jew” – what’s the name of this one person you’d like to discuss, and what’s he done7
        
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        July 30, 2018 6:55pm
MrTips

Just heard Shane Te Pou on the wireless. If he was running Labour then they really would be a force. Polite, respectful, allowed Hooton to speak and had good level headed answers. Hate to say it – he was good for a leftie. And he’s a fan of charter schools, reckons most Labourites support them too.
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July 30, 2018 6:19pm
- realityczech
  
  Mr Te Pou (possible good bastard):
  
  ‘I’m Maori. My wife is of Chinese descent. My money is not foreign’ – Labour revolt over property data leak
  
  A former senior Labour official has lashed out at the party’s leadership, declaring he is taking legal steps over the party’s decision to single out Chinese people in the foreign ownership debate.
  
  Former Maori members’ chairman Shane Te Pou has written to the party demanding his personal data be removed from Labour’s database of home buyers, which it claims is the same information leaked from Barfoot & Thompson.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11482666
  
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  July 30, 2018 6:30pm
  - realityczech
    
    And again Mr Shane (I joined the wrong party) Te Pou:
    
    Shane Te Pou
    
    Extremists dominating the alcohol debate
    
    I can’t say I am unhappy about that either. The fact is these people are prohibitionists. They want to stop you drinking any alcohol at all and they want to deny you the choice to be able to do so at a pub, restaurant or buying alcohol from a supermarket or bottle store.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12060001
    
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    July 30, 2018 6:34pm
realityczech

Rabbi calls for expulsion of Christians from Israel

“The vampires can send a message of thanks to the government of Israel for making their work much easier.”

“Christmas has no place in the Holy Land,” he added. “Missionary work must not be given a foothold. Let’s throw the vampires out of our land before they drink our blood again.”

https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=27023
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July 30, 2018 6:53pm
Prince

Made a fatal error and heard talkback radio this morning for 10 mins. Heather DPA was berating National for the painful death many suffer due to outdated cannabis laws.
Apparently the Labour bill is terrible and Nats are responsible for not fixing it.
I thought Labour was in govt but apparently National are still responsible for the quality of legislation being passed.
Oh, and Winston has been a stellar pm. Multiple strikes, removing health targets, declining confidence, etc all swept under carpet now and its all ok.
I wonder if Barry and Heather are on some form of retainer.
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July 30, 2018 6:59pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Yeah Fuck That Shit. It was always Reefer Madness Bill #1 vs Reefer Madness Bill#2.
  And Winston has socked it to the Greens via some Utopian vision of no cows and no roads in exchange for votes for the Waka jumpin’ bill. Greens have a short memory otherwise they’d remember how Winston has shafted them at every opportunity prior.
  Just so he can remain actin’ PM for the foreseeable.
  Just because Cindy kicks a pram with her foot and pretends to read some ‘papers’, doesn’t mean she’s in charge. Fer Fucks sake.
  All the hard work is done by the time the papers get to her. The sticky notes are shoved on and she leafs through and makes the appropriate noises.
  
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  July 30, 2018 7:40pm
- nasska
  
  National did what National do best with their promotion of a private member’s bill covering medical use of cannabis.
  
  In a last desperate attempt to appease their socially conservative minority they have managed to kick the can down the road for another couple of years.
  
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  July 30, 2018 7:53pm
realityczech

This vile Jew is honored in Israel for this 1994 massacre during the annual Jewish hate festival of Purim. Severe measures need to be taken to control this vermin:
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On February 25, 1994, that year’s Purim day, Goldstein entered a room in the Cave of the Patriarchs that was serving as a mosque, wearing “his army uniform with the insignia of rank, creating the image of a reserve officer on active duty”.[19] He then opened fire, killing 29 worshippers and wounding more than 125.[20] Mosque guard Mohammad Suleiman Abu Saleh said he thought that Goldstein was trying to kill as many people as possible, and described how there were “bodies and blood everywhere”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein#Massacre
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July 30, 2018 7:05pm
Monique Watson

HaHa: ” Do you think it’s defamatory”?
” Do you think that whiskey should be sipped or swilled”.
Radio Silence. First time Peters has been muzzled.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=196375
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July 30, 2018 7:24pm
- stigie
  
  “Do you think it’s defamatory”
  
  Every fucking thing that is said about Peters is defamatory and papers will be served don’t you know..?
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:12pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve a nasty suspicion that after a few days of the whining princess bestowing her wisdom we’ll miss Winston!
    
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    July 30, 2018 8:24pm
    - stigie
      
      I won’t Nasska. he’s just a vindictive prick really ole chap !~
      
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      July 30, 2018 8:27pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        I reckon you wouldn’t say no to drinkies with Winston and Dad! Lots of yarns about Lewis in Nelson, Peter in LA, and that superannuation form that tripped up Winston. Oh – and the $158,000 plus interest that Winston owes taxpayers…
        
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        July 30, 2018 9:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Let’s be honest… Winnie isn’t hogging the Radio waves and TV channels and I haven’t seen a double-page spread of him for yonks.
      I’m beginning to hope he hangs around.
      
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      July 30, 2018 8:32pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHRISTCHURCH NZ … HOUSE PRICES SINK … SPECULATORS FLEE …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/links-30-july-2018/#comment-3155225 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/links-30-july-2018/#comment-3155227 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/us_gdp_hits_41.html/comment-page-1#comment-2268731 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/general_debate_30_july_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2269043
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July 30, 2018 7:41pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Sigh
  
  Never too late for a downtick
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:45pm
Monique Watson

The Guardian’s accolades of the Cuckoo Prime Minister are making me a little sick in my mouth:

“I’m multitasking like every single parent I’ve ever met, so a big shout-out to all of them,” said Ardern.

Oh do Fuck Off.

New Zealanders responded with overwhelming warmth to Ardern’s announcement of her imminent return to work, with many saying they were looking forward to having their prime minister back at the beehive.

Yeah. Especially those who are now without a job because you rooted the oil and gas industry.
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July 30, 2018 7:50pm
- fernglas
  
  I particularly liked her showing her progressive credentials on the cannabis issue by saying that she didn’t think it right that people should be imprisoned for cannabis possession. Of course, they aren’t. I defy her to find anyone in prison for possession alone (as distinct from a short lag imposed along with a longer one for other offending.
  The proviso to s7(2) Misuse of Drugs Act says, and has since about 1980:
  “where any person is convicted of an offence against subsection (1) relating only to a Class C controlled drug and is liable to a penalty under paragraph (b), the Judge or District Court Judge shall not impose a custodial sentence (being a sentence under which a person is liable to be detained in a prison within the meaning of the Corrections Act 2004) unless, by reason of the offender’s previous convictions or of any exceptional circumstances relating to the offence or the offender, the Judge or District Court Judge is of the opinion that such a sentence should be imposed.”
  So her current opinion is what Parliament’s was about the time she was born. Wow!!. That’s progressive!
  
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  July 30, 2018 10:51pm
Monique Watson

Kim Hill totally owned the Tooth Princess.
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July 30, 2018 8:00pm
Monique Watson

And climate change is not our generations nuclear free moment you stupid bint. Because jobs are lost under this but net were not lost under when Lange fucked off to an island to leave Palmer to take the heat.
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July 30, 2018 8:03pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The silly little girl, trying to look cool, was simply following last decade’s now passe fashions:
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-has-run-its-course-1528152876
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:29pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Actually I feel bad about that sledge. Whatever she is, she’s a new Mom. I’m a bit free with the insults. Comes from living in a houseful of guys. To psledge of the day here was: “I’m gonna glue you to a tree and leave you all day”!
  
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  July 31, 2018 2:58am
nasska

Over the last few days I have been mulling over the important questions posed by the drug overdose of Demi Lovato.

Top of the list is: Who the fuck is Demi Lovato?
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July 30, 2018 8:03pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Some twat who couldn’t hold her biscuits. Don’t quote me on that. Not to be confused with Demi Moore. Some kind of Disney Princess whatever the Fuck that is.
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:10pm
  - Longknives
    
    I remember Demi Moore (St Elmos Fire and that Rio movie with Michael Caine where she got her boobs out etc ) but literally have no idea who Demi Lovato is..
    Some kind of computer manufactured ‘Pop Star’ I believe? Much like New Zealand’s own one-hit- wonder Lordy?
    
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    July 30, 2018 8:30pm
Monique Watson

Apparently she starred in a show called Barney and Friends.
Hello! Whenever I’ve had enough to drink, I gather a whole lotta friends called Barney. And if they are not called Barney, they are usually Tongans called Dave.
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July 30, 2018 8:17pm
wiseowl

Just exposed in Australia.
Option of buying residency in Australia if you invest $5 million .
2000 wealthy immigrants , mostly Chinese , have been successful .After 5 years they can get residency and it looks like with family members the figure becomes 6000.
Disgusting policy which appears to have been kept secret.
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July 30, 2018 8:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Easy peasy, borrow $5mill from family and friends mortgages in china at 6%, invest in Aussie business, at similar returns, pay any residual (might be a few 100k), Citizenship!!
  
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  July 30, 2018 8:25pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

did I hear winnie the poo threaten peter goodfellow ? some comment about why he shouldn’t be national party president ? is winnie saying he will spill the beans if peter repeats his comments?
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July 30, 2018 9:59pm
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  Is this honest Winnie that held up the NO sign when asked about donations from Owen Glenn. Surely not…..
  
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