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holysheet

Last saturday night at midnight we got an extra second, it has something to do with the earths rotation. I don’t know how your spent your extra time…
But I read a book on French War Victories!
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July 2, 2018 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  A short story then…
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:03am
  - KiWombat
    
    Yes hulky, just one blank page ! Almost as long as Clare Curran’s thesis “Languages of Antarctica !”
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:08am
    - odysseus
      
      Didn’t get up to Napoleon then?
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:22am
      - hullkiwi
        
        ..and what happened to the Corsican from 1812 onwards?
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:28am
      - Lance
        
        Pesty facts.
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:29am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Napoleon was, in his early years, a brilliant commander who achieved stunning victories in Italy while commanding a relatively small army. Over the following years he lost his ‘dash” and became apparently addicted to the use of numbers to crush his opposition. However the battle of Ligny, just prior to Waterloo was fought very well and the Prussians were well beaten. If not for Ney’s indolence and slowness at Quatre Bras Napoleon would almost certainly have forced Wellington to retire and abandon Brussels.
        
        And the French had many successes (and failures) prior to Napoleon, and post though the war in 1870 against Prussia was a disaster. They fought pretty well for most of 1914-18 though there was significant unrest in the army in 1917 following the failure of the Nivelle offensive. At the Somme the first day was a definite success on the right wing where the French used experienced troops and made significant advances. It was the centre and left where the British were using mostly inexperienced troops and used faulty tactics that the most significant failures occurred.
        
        Post WW1 though the French record is pretty poor.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:47am
      - Lance
        
        @Ed
        As a casual observer;
        I always wondered how the Romans could be such brilliant tacticians and warriors but the Italian Army of the 20th century so bloody hopeless?
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:12am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Ed, you overlooked 1805 (Trafalgar) 1812 (Moscow). As for Italy, during the Napoleonic wars, Italy was a series of small fragmented states (many would say not much has changed, even today) up until the the second half of the 19th Century.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:13am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Trafalgar – naval battle. Moscow, the battles in Russia were not vintage Napoleon, he won at Smolensk and (just) at Borodino, but in both cases he failed to destroy the Russian field army and while that was in being Alexander had no excessive pressure to surrender. After he failed to win at Maro-Jaroslavetz (spelt in different ways) the real retreat began and General Winter intervened.
        
        I’m not saying Napoleon necessarily fought badly in any of these, but he wasn’t brilliant and didn’t get the overwhelming victory he needed.
        
        Yes, Italy was a fractured series of states, but Napoleon commanded a small French force that was at times outnumbered by at least 2:1. He won through a combination of innovative tactics (the French pioneered the attack in column and for most of the war the better French troops had excellent morale, and were flexible, and resilient) and mobility, probably combined with the relatively inflexible Austrians and the fact that his opposition was a coalition and not entirely cohesive. But these campaigns made Napoleon’s reputation.
        
        As for the Romans and the Italians, I think it is clearly cultural. In many cases actual native Romans made up a minority of their armies, but the culture and the military systems were all Roman. Under competent generals (not always a given as army command was often a political appointment) the Romans had huge campaigning advantages. They understood logistics far better than any of their opponents and could often face a numerically superior (and sometimes tactically superior) enemy and campaign against them until they could fight under advantageous conditions to offset numbers and capability. Their enemy, reliant usually on local supply had much less freedom of action and could not afford to wait out a field siege in front of a strongly held position.
        
        In a sort of parallel with this, in Napoleonic times the only general who really understood logistics was Wellington. Wellington could be a superior tactical general as well, but he really excelled in fighting logistics campaigns, and against the French who had no field logistics really at all bar ammunition, his overall strategies were highly effective and enabled him to use the 30-50,000 men he had under direct command to ultimately defeat 200-250,000 French troops in Spain. Of course he was helped by Napoleon’s tactic of having no overall commander in Spain so the local area commanders were constantly at odds and usually determined to protect their own fiefdom (and source of wealth) as a priority over helping to drive Wellington out of Portugal. Massena was briefly in overall command and that helped, but it was rather too late at that point.
        
        Wellington certainly made mistakes, Napoleon humbugged him at Quatre Bras and he should have been beaten; and leaving over 9,000 men some 30 miles North of Waterloo was a mistake that could have had grave consequences, but his defensive plan for Waterloo itself were excellent given the limitations of his army, and Napoleon simply did not attack in a sensible fashion. Waterloo was imminently winnable by Napoleon, but probably fortunately he did not do so.
        
        Apologies for length !
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:24pm
    - ztev
      
      What about the citation for Bill English’s ‘Young Farmer of the year Finalist’
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:55am
      - pejhay
        
        What about that empty page of ztev’s humour, honesty and worth ?
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:41pm
- Dave Mann
  
  If your family spent its life living next to a violent gang who constantly attacked your house, it would be very unkind to laugh at your misfortunes.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:25am
  - mandk
    
    You’re pretty much describing what the Israelis have to tolerate.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:49am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes that’s very true. Not to downplay Israel’s courage and strength, but the big difference is that in one case the continual enemy was a well organised and disciplined fighting machine whereas in the other case the enemy is a bunch of venal infighting disorganised halfwits.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:11am
    - ztev
      
      In that case Israel is the violent thug who terrorizes the neighbourhood with its ‘drivebys by the IDF
      
      As well they have borrowed for their own use considerable portions of the surrounding land
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:58am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I try not to resort to personal abuse but in your case I’m afraid I must make an exception. You’re an idiot.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:33pm
- ztev
  
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  US War Victories since WW2
  
  Grenada and Panama had their arses kicked , all the rest not so much.
  Korea
  Vietnam
  Lebanon
  Even Somalia gave as good as they got.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:31am
  - kowtow
    
    Can’t fight with your hands tied.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:35am
  - igm
    
    ztrev: Shouldn’t concern a gutless left-wing pacifist piece of s . . t such as you. If you were around you would have supported Goff, Clark, Soper, et al, tossing paint at returning Vietnam soldiers. Scum such as you would have been conscientious objectors, and possibly, you are progeny of such!
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:41am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Rubbish, Korea, the US absolutely flattened the NK troops but over extended because McArthur had delusions of grandeur (he did plan the Inchon landings brilliantly) and were forced into a rapid retreat by a massive Chinese deployment. After that they gave better than they got but politically were unable to apply the degree of force necessary to win. Vietnam, the won the military war fairly handily, after the Tet offensive the Vietcong were destroyed and the North Vietnamese army seriously damaged. But thanks to internal political issues they lost the political battle.
    
    Lebanon, they landed an expeditionary force for peace keeping but were sloppy about security, and politically again were forced to retire. They never actually fought.
    
    Kuwait and Iraq, completely destroyed the opposition almost without any losses at all, in battle. Post war insurgency was harder to suppress, but succeeded when appropriate tactics were employed.
    
    Afghanistan, they lack the brutality and commitment to win. The Taliban would kill everyone in the country to win, and unless you want to match that it is hard to actually produce a peaceful country.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:53am
  - 4077th
    
    So the Japanese did not surrender then? 15/08/1945 to be clear!
    
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    July 2, 2018 11:25am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Won the cold war. That’s a pretty big win.
    
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    July 2, 2018 11:33am
- RF
  
  What about the book listing Italian war heros.
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:38pm
- softail 1450
  
  holysheet , I read all of septicboy and ztev’s sensible posts, and still had 1/2 a second to spare.
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:42pm
hullkiwi

Davis synonomous with stupidity. Makes a decision without seeing a key report that was with his mate Angry Andy. Staggering incompetence.

Seems the Ministry of Justice provided Angry with a forecast of prison numbers in November, but when he made his announcement about Waikeria, Davis hadn’t seen the report.
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July 2, 2018 8:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh be fair,
  Kelvin said he checked the webpage last night before this morning’s interview.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018651731/kelvin-davis-had-not-seen-prison-forecast-data-before-waikeria-announcement
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:46am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, I heard that. It was very funny interview. If Espiner keeps this attacking ministers up, the CoL will avoid Morning Report.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:50am
    - sooty
      
      That would be a change from toady churnalist!
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:32am
- ztev
  
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  Back in 2013 MoJ said the prisoner numbers would only increase by ‘around’ 50 more due to the new bail laws.
  
  Collins believed them !
  
  Actually went from 1800 on bail to 3000
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:33am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Yes, she did do a very job and well done you for acknowledging that.
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:12am
  - KevOB
    
    Kiwiblog must be causing concern at Fraser House when they have appointed rostered full time stirrers to promote govt propaganda.
    
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    July 2, 2018 11:12am
    - sam green
      
      Who appointed you to feed CT troll lines?
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:49am
      - KevOB
        
        A good stir in jelly can break it down.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:17pm
rangitoto

Twyford says Transmission Gully is too good for Wellington drivers. You will be tolled.
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July 2, 2018 8:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And this will only be the beginning. When they need more money for, you know, ‘stuff’, they’ll just ramp up the toll, and then they’ll apply it to other roads until eventually it will be too expensive to drive anywhere so you’ll just have to take the bus.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:13am
  - srylands
    
    I have not read the MBIE advice. However I am sceptical that there will be a flood of new commuters who will abandon the train for the motorway.
    
    I commuted from the Kapiti Coast by both train and car for 6 years. The costs of commuting by car are time, petrol, car running costs, and, critically, parking. At peak hour, the new motorway will reduce the journey time, probably marginally in peak times. It will make the journey an easier drive and much safer. However, the big disincentive for taking a car into central Wellington is parking costs. That won’t change.
    
    BTW I have been thinking about starting a project to create a memorial at the start of the motorway to the more than 200 people who died on the existing road between Pukerua Bay and Paekakariki since it opened in 1940. A reminder to future generations about how bad things were. Also in April 2020, I think it would be appropriate for either Bill English or John Key to be given the honour to officially open the new motorway.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:47am
    - ztev
      
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      All it needed was some safety improvements, which happened under last labour government
      
      “In 2005, after seven deaths from head-on crashes the previous year, coroner Garry Evans recommended a cable barrier be built from Pukerua Bay to Paekakariki as a matter of urgency.
      Owen said that, in the 10 years before it was installed in 2005, there were 15 fatal and serious crashes, resulting in 16 deaths and 14 serious injuries on the section of highway.
      Since it was built – and then extended in 2007 – the barrier had been struck more than 100 times, “each involving a potentially tragic crash that was averted”, Owen said.
      In that time, there had been no deaths and only one serious injury crash.
      
      Simple isnt it. Safer Roads save lives
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10696288/Down-to-the-wire-barrier-saves-lives
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:40am
      - srylands
        
        No it needed replacing. I have driven that road over 1000 times. Every time, the absurdity that this is a gateway to Wellington strikes again.
        
        Yes the median barrier did save lives. But it is missing at the north end, where people still die.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:52am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        and how many times was the road and rail link to Kapiti, washed out, cutting Wellington off from the rest of the west coast of the NI.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:32am
      - alwyn
        
        That bit is only part of the unsafe road that Transmission Gulley will replace.
        Transmission Gully is inherently safer than the existing road. Any divided highway is. It will save mores. However Twyford, or Twitford as his Labour Party colleagues fondly refer to him is going to make sure that poor people won’t be able to use it. It will be reserved for his rich mates. Can we hold Twitford responsible for every accident on the old road where people use it because they can’t afford to pay a toll on Transmission Gully? Why is Genter not coming out complaining about his apparent intention to put a toll on the road just to discourage people from using it?
        Or is she just like Phil. He, as a Labour man, has never seen a tax he didn’t like. I guess the Greens are just the same. She talks about making roads safer and is now going along with people being priced out of using the safer road. Bloody hypocrite.
        
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        July 2, 2018 3:43pm
    - Viking2
      
      they won’t be. Simon opened our new bridge just after going into Govt. The bridge that Winston got done.
      Don’t expect them to be nice to the Nats. winston was not even invited.
      Which actually shows the true character of the Nats. Bit like Twyford and housing. Boot on the other foot.
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:50pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Just gotta jump on my soap box,
  
  Tauranga currently has 2 toll roads, I frequently use both and would much prefer that option compared to not having those roads at all
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    Even if the tolls were going into making bamboo bicycles instead of keeping the road going?
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:53am
    - ztev
      
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      Pay off the costs
      
      Transmission Gully- Tawa – around a $1 billion to build
      
      Repay the PPP $125 mill per year for 25 years
      $3.125 bill
      
      priceless
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:46am
      - srylands
        
        That is a stupid comparison. You left out the real cost of money for 25 years plus all of the operations and maintenance of the road for 25 years.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:55am
      - JIV
        
        So you believe in user pays. What about the students?
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:05am
      - ztev
        
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        at $125 mill per year flat rate that works out at about $13 per vehicle per day
        Im unassuming something 25,000 vpd usage
        
        Whats a piddling $2 toll when it should be $7
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:14am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Yep, on the same argument train and bus fares should start at $10.00 and petrol will be $1.00 / litre after the removal of the subsidies collected from the motorist for everything else but improving the roads
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:37am
      - KevOB
        
        The road has benefit to the economy as a whole so why should only users paused pay it off over 25 years? The life of the road is at least 100.
        
        These PPP arrangements are govt borrowings off the books. Their interest rates are higher too. That has caused grief in the UK NHS where it has been to finance hospitals. PPP hides the risk of borrowing.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:07am
      - ztev
        
        major roads like this will need a complete reconstruction in 25 years.
        The idea that ‘roads last 100 years’ is nonsense. Only if they have pavement rebuild every 5 years and a sub grade rebuild every 20
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:33am
      - thedavincimode
        
        major roads like this will need a complete reconstruction in 25 years.
        
        Not any more fortunately – now that we’ll all be taking trams.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:49pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        @JIV, zdiv believes in projects financed as a PPP only when his side propose to finance a project in that manner. For instance the new Waikeria prison.
        
        It is irrelevant to zdiv whether it is good, bad, appropriate or inappropriate.
        
        @srylands, the time cost of money to zdiv is irrelevant, he’s a Liebore politician who thinks in nominal dollar amounts. Which explains why he gets worked up by the numbers. Ask what the NPV of the project and he’d throw out an irrelevant squirrel.
        
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        July 2, 2018 6:07pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Must be bogan free driving – awesome.
    Bogan free, as free as the wind blows . . . la la la
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:02am
  - VicParking
    
    Come to Whanganui were you drive home for lunch.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:08am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Yeah. Out our way rush hour is two cars, a ute and Feral neighbour moving some sheep.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:56am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      My wife got stuck in the 5pm rush hour the other day. It took her two cycles of lights to get onto City Bridge.
      
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      July 2, 2018 10:24am
      - VicParking
        
        The Council in Whanganui is doing its best to Copy Goff and co to turn Victoria Ave and the “city” blocks into little Auckland, Traffic wise. What more can you expect from a die hard Labour Mayor and Council.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:03am
      - thedavincimode
        
        VP, Surprise me by telling me that your Mayor isn’t a troughing former liebour MP who could get a real job.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:51pm
    - softail 1450
      
      vicparking ,As long as you don’t get home and find your house emptied.
      
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      July 2, 2018 1:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I have no problem with toll roads to pay for the roads. The government saying they are tolling the road because you shouldn’t be driving is a different story.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:52am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      The petrol tax already exceeds road building cost. So no tolls are needed to ‘pay for the roads’. They are either doing it to try to force people on to public transport or collecting money just because they can.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:58am
      - ztev
        
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        Transmission gully was built and paid for by private consortium. They are called PPPs
        It will cost the Road transport fund around $13 per vehicle per day to go to the PPP
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:18am
      - VicParking
        
        Agreed, your Petrol tax is being used to pay your neighbour $60 a week to have a baby.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:05am
- Harkman
  
  Anyone see JAG over the weekend? Her pregnancy is already beating her up. Her face is puffy, rambling even more incoherently than normal. Sh!t she sounded drunk.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:32am
  - ztev
    
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    Thats not fair , Collins always looks like that. Its the Botox
    
    Gastric banded Paula no longer looks like a toffee apple on a stick, but shes now a candidate for Real Housewives
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:49am
    - igm
      
      What about that Fat Fingered apology of a hippo that can’t walk past the pie warmer in any food shop. I think her name is Woods or something. By the way, what about your hero Lange, he could not handle a gastric band and went on food bender.
      
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      July 2, 2018 10:35am
      - softail 1450
        
        IGM, I’d bet money 3 pies woods will be getting her guts banded very soon .
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:57pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      ztev – my wife had gastric surgery six years ago, which for her was life-changing. We paid for it ourselves, and have saved the health system a lot of money.
      
      Cheap jibes like that say far more about what a nasty prick you are than they do about Judith Collins or Paula Bennett.
      
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      July 2, 2018 10:37am
      - igm
        
        He is nasty, but one of the most gutless bastards one could have the misfortune to meet, he not having the guts to repeat anything to Judith nor Paula’s face!
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:41pm
      - KiWombat
        
        He’ll get his comeuppance on Thursday !
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:47pm
      - igm
        
        softail: They will need an oversize draught horse girth to band her gross belly.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:56pm
      - KiWombat
        
        they’ll probably use an inner tube out of a bicycle tyre !
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:31pm
    - Faroffsound
      
      Classy!!
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:54am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s called lack of sleep…lol. Is what happens when you have a baby (so I hear).
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:52am
  - thedavincimode
    
    WTF sort of a fucked comment is that? Putting shit on her because she’s pregnant? What are you? Put shit on her because she’s an arsehole and an idiot, but because she’s pregnant?
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:04am
    - Harkman
      
      Did you not hear her last night? She actually sounded drunk, over the past week we had a crisis in her portfolio and her comments were indecipherable.
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:39am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Not cool Harkman.
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:35am
  - softail 1450
    
    Harkman ,I despise that fucking yank/canuk more than i despise the drunken ferret.
    having that POS look down her nose and tut,tut NZ’rs is wretch inducing ……
    
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    July 2, 2018 1:53pm
- pejhay
  
  This is classic Twitford. The Labour party did not support tolls when in opposition. And apparently, the only reason for thinking about it now, is because ‘the road will be too popular’! So the toll is solely to make the new, better route unpopular, oh, and we’ll take this NEW TAX while it’s there.
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:29pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Of course, this will just keep poor people off the road – until they decide they need a new term called ‘road poverty’ that needs a new handout so people on lower incomes can afford to drive on the toll road.
  
  Twitford is such a tool!
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:37pm
- krazykiwi
  
  You will be tolled.
  
  Really? What happened to No new taxes. Read my lips?
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:40pm
  - RF
    
    krazykiwi….
    
    Ahh…. those lips …… what tales they could tell….
    
    But I digress….. no new taxes is complete BS although she would have us believe that the increase is a slight adjustment.
    
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    July 2, 2018 5:07pm
Inandout

Absolutely inept Boy Hipkins is on at least $255,000; how can this be? Politicians should be on basic honorariums, increased by successful performance reviews.
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July 2, 2018 8:06am
- RalphT
  
  But, but Cindy thinks all her Ministers are wonderful so would want to give them huge bonuses.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:08am
  - Lance
    
    And Cindy was the first woman in NZ to ever give birth so she knows
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:31am
    - GazzaW
      
      ….and a royal baby too adjudging by the media coverage. Did we all catch our glam PM via FB on TV One News last night commenting on Governmental matters? Either Peters is Acting PM or he isn’t. She looked bloody awful too – washed out, no makeup. She could at least have made an effort with her appearance.
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:39am
      - geoff3012
        
        Yeah. She did look bloody awful.
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:43am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Oh dear – full-on feminazi feral chic was it ?
        But no frothing at the mouth barking ‘rape culture’ or ‘gender pay gaps’ ?
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:44am
      - waikatogirl
        
        It was all for effect, mother of new-born and all that. I prefer not to see the PM in her jammies looking like she’s just climbed out of bed.
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:58am
      - VicParking
        
        If she is going to parade the baby around on facebook and TV she is opening herself and the baby up for parenting criticism. Look what happened to Gayboy when he thought he was also NZ’s No 1 Partner. Soon shut him up.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:13am
      - JIV
        
        What I did notice was the honest emotion. Rather than the choreographed head tilt to show she cares, or complex arranging of teeth to give her a photogenic smile, the baby photos actually showed her true emotion.
        It is natural for a mother to have overwhelming love for the off-spring. What is difficult is to leave that kid at home, come back to work and concentrate on work things while doing an honest days work. That will be the test.
        I’ve witnessed plenty of mothers who cant stand the separation. We’ll see.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:16am
      - Longknives
        
        She looked absolutely dreadful alright.
        The self-professed ‘Superwoman’ and ‘Mother of the Nation’ looks like she isn’t coping at all..
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:35am
      - sooty
        
        But this mother can take all her nannies and staff with her were ever she goes. That’s the differance.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:38am
      - thedavincimode
        
        For fucks sake. WTF is wrong with you?
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:06am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Reality of motherhood just kicked in.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:22am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Are men required to wear makeup? She looked natural, unlike most of the pictures of her. One week down only 5 to go by her reckoning.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:36am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        I guess the good news is that Gayford, as a stay at home dad, will not be able to give any other females attention for the meantime.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:22pm
    - Harkman
      
      This woman is sick, dragging her baby into politics and she’ll be the first yelling “leave family out of politics” nonsense when it suits.
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:55am
      - Longknives
        
        Yep.
        Uses her baby as nothing more than a publicity stunt but as soon as anyone says anything adverse about that dodgy boyfriend of hers she goes running to the Police Commissioner…
        
        What a vile,repugnant hypocrite Ardern is…
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:37am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Longknives , yep and come to think about it what a vile, repugnant hypocrite you are.
        
        But who outside your bubble head actually cares!
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:44am
      - Longknives
        
        Love your work Stephieboy!
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:02am
      - GazzaW
        
        Wrong side of the bed this morning steffie?
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:20pm
      - Piniwi
        
        But Harkman it was very telling to see her eyes which seemed to indicate adjusting to anew medication regime. Couldn’t watch it as it was a blatant attempt to keep her image out there while also serving to confirm things are not all peachy in the COL. After a plea from the Media party to give her space it was her that needed exposure in such a lame manner to herald the start of the new hand outs. It begs the question “if the COL are so unified why did they not grab an opportunity for the old drunk to say something they at least think is positive?
        Funny too that Stuff let the comments extend so long when so many saw this as a blatant abuse of the baby being drawn into the political arena that might back fire on the silly little girl. They sure could do with some of the troll assistance from those directed here by Fraser House but being organised is too much to expect. What a sad commentary on the future prospects for NZ when the SLG is the best they have got.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:00pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Sorry Gazza Reported in error.
        
        Was trying to reply, “Wrong side of the goat more likely”
        
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        July 2, 2018 7:32pm
- hullkiwi
  
  How do you measure inept?
  In Hipkins’ case, is it:
  1. Charter schools;
  2. University free fees;
  3. Doing a review into NCEA1 without speaking to a key group, but speak to a group that will not have much relevant to say on the matter; or
  4. Extend the University Student loan scheme for students who are in the process of doing a second degree (med students who had already completed another degree) – how long before he needs to expand the scheme to all students who want to do a 2nd degree in the name of fairness?
  
  A true wally!
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:16am
  - Lance
    
    Agree with points 1-3.
    But 4 is a different matter.
    When you say a different degree, that would only be some cases. Most would be students carrying on to Masters or PhD in the same subject, usually making them far more useful/skilled.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:35am
    - hullkiwi
      
      No the announcement was only in relation to med students. This is because there are 2 ways into Med School, being:
      1. You are accepted for an intermediate year, which you successfully pass; or
      2. You have completed a first degree – usually a BSc in Chemistry, Biology or Maths (A friend of mine did it this route).
      
      The thing with the second route is that you max out on the loan availability in Year 7, meaning no available cash.
      
      The point becomes when does it become time for these people to stop university and become contributors to society?
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:48am
      - Lance
        
        I know one cannot become a registered Architect without a minimum of a Masters Degree in Arch. I am sure there are other examples.
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:54am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Lance you mean like Dr (Who) Clark? Somehow it seems for too many more only seems to mean less. In fairness though in respect to other serious professions it is a fair thing.
      
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      July 2, 2018 4:06pm
  - VicParking
    
    My second degree will be a double major, Global Warming and Gravy Trains
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:15am
    - hullkiwi
      
      So Vic you’re going to do a BA in Politics & Communications?
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:26am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Aren’t they the same thing?
      or is Gravy train the subtitle to Global warming?
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:36am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah but with this lot what is success?
  
  Shutting down oil and gas and filling the streets with criminals ?
  
  Bonus to the pollies , fingers to the Plebs?
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:58am
Scott

I just so love this government! Don’t you love this government? We need this government because they know better than us! They know better than us what we need!

We thought we wanted transmission gully and we thought that we wanted to drive on transmission gully. It was going to be an easy safe way to commute and get around.

But this government knows better than us! It knows that we shouldn’t drive on transmission gully. It knows that it would be bad for us!

So therefore in its wisdom it will put a toll on transmission gully. Even though before the election it said no such thing. But now the government in its wisdom will help us to realise that the best thing is to use public transport and not to drive our cars on this beautiful new highway.

Isn’t our government grand!! 🙂
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July 2, 2018 8:06am
- peterwn
  
  Some truckies have already said they will not use Transmission Gully – too steep.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:13am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That’s bullshit.
    The steepest part is no steeper than Ngauranga Gorge.
    But maybe they won’t use it if the toll is too expensive.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:28am
    - ztev
      
      Are you sure ?
      Its quite a climb up the Mackays end, far exceeds any other SH1 road in that area
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:56am
      - srylands
        
        I am totally sure. The gradient of the climb out of Mackays crossing is 8.3 percent. Ngaraunga gorge is 8 percent. That is not materially different. Yes I can provide links for you but I can’t be arsed.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:04am
      - ztev
        
        My numbers give Distance from Hutt Rd to Johnsonville off ramp is 2.8km and the height there is 155m
        Gradient is 5.5%
        
        Transmission Gully is 3.210km to highest point from SH1( as a straight line) and is 285m
        Gradient is 8.8%, actual road may come in at 8%.
        
        Still a lot steeper than the Gorge Rd ( they use a more twisting road which adds length and reduce gradient)
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:32am
      - pejhay
        
        ztev, again, ‘your numbers’ are wrong, Ngauranga Gorge is 8%.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:35pm
    - Colville
      
      Even a cheap truck is $150/hr, if it saves 15 mins like its meant to the toll would need to be $40 to make it more expensive.
      
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      July 2, 2018 12:27pm
      - pejhay
        
        Well said, whilst the NEW TAX won’t worry me, it will worry those who can least afford it…
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:44pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But CM can’t be because of the gradient as that has been set at a standard maximum gradient since back in the 50s or 60s. Suspect this might be some fake news as some Media party shill runs interference for the COL. Same with any policy or even policy intention from the COL like the P addict story. Evicted from a state house for P contamination and believes it is HNZs responsibility to “assist” addicts with housing?
      
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      July 2, 2018 4:16pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    You mean don’t want to pay a toll.
    
    Mind you freight companies travelling through Auckland are being encouraged by their industry to avoid buying fuel in Auckland. How surprising, not? Expect in 12 months for Goofy to realise his fuel tax is not bringing in enough dosh, & his first reaction will be to in grease the fuel tax.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:34am
    - VicParking
      
      Extend it down to Auckland’s Southern most Suburb Levin.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:17am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      My first question, if I owned a freight company.
      How much will it cost to put a secondary or larger fuel tank on my trucks?
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:40am
    - Paulus
      
      But is it Goofy’s money or does it not go into the Consolidated Fund ?
      
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      July 2, 2018 1:39pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Paul’s, the money is going to be collected by NZTA with the pump fuel excise tax they already collect. Then the Auckland portion will be paid to Auckland Council. The fun part is processing and paying rebates to people for “off road usage”. NZTA are still working on this part of the process. This is based on information issued to Auckland Transport.
        
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        July 2, 2018 6:18pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Too steep – ha. What, the hills or the toll charge ? Or both ?
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:39am
    - Piniwi
      
      Well LRaC they know that in their retrospective manner it only needs a minor change to the regional fuel tax law to have it in other regions too.
      
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      July 2, 2018 4:21pm
  - srylands
    
    Can you please cite a source for “too steep”? Total crap.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:50am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      Maybe they were referring to the price of the Toll
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:57am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      This one
      
      Plus this shocker :
      ‘There are widely varying estimates of how many commuters will use Transmission Gully. But using the New Zealand Transport Agency’s projection of about 20,000 a day, the taxpayer will end up subsidising every commuter who travels on the motorway to the tune of about $18 a day.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:59am
      - ztev
        
        My online NZ Topo map gives the high point of the Gully as 285m
        
        The max height at Ngauranga ( off ramp at Johnsonville) is like 155m
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:05am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Wow, almost up there with public transport subsidy levels.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:12am
      - srylands
        
        It is extraordinary that you have time to consult topo maps on a work morning. Yes you are correct the Wanui saddle is twice as high as ngaraunga gorge. So the road over it will be the same gradient but twice as long. Please find me one truck operator who says the road will be too steep for trucks. Then I will pay attention.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:13am
      - ztev
        
        Not twice as high, just another 120m.
        The distances are 2.8km for Ngauranga from Hutt Rd and 3.2km from the SH1 where TG heads up.
        My online Topo map even shows TG as a dotted outline- surely you werent thinking I had those paper things,
        You can go from 1:50 scale to aerial view by moving a slider. Touch screen version as app gives spot heights and my version is free but small cost gives more features. Very highly recommended
        https://www.topomap.co.nz/
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:43am
      - srylands
        
        Yes I use online topo maps too. But I don’t have the luxury of trolling on Kiwiblog as a full time job. So I am not going to peer review your analysis.
        
        This is an example of you becoming obsessed with being right without any purpose. The real story is that Transmission Gully will be a valuable asset for decades to come. And yes, trucks will happily use it.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:54am
      - ztev
        
        Agree its a good proposal, just that NZ will be stuck paying 3x the construction.
        
        And at end of 25 years when its ‘paid off’ based on Sydney experience they will flog it off for another 25 yrs
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:44am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        The average actual daily use of the gorge is
        23000
        The largest daily flow was 28 700
        
        Given this and excluding low flow on the weekends
        the average daily flow (on week days) would be around 27000.
        Given hold ups traffic speed restrictions etc the vast majority of the long haul traffic will use transmission gully and be very efficient.
        Time is money. The faster the goods get out of and into Wellington, the better the result.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:54am
      - softail 1450
        
        trev, You fucking moron we subsidize over 100,000 solo parents in this country to about $1200.00 a fortnight ,should we stop doing that because it’s to expensive?
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:11pm
      - alwyn
        
        I’m not saying I think you figures are correct but for the sake of this debate I’ll assume that they are.
        You are saying that the taxpayer will be paying out $360,000/day as a “subsidy”.
        Suppose that Phil slaps on a $18/trip toll. This will reduce the number of cars, so I’ll assume by a half. We are now down to 10,000/day and the pay-out will still have to be $360,000. Deduct the $180,000 in tolls and we get a taxpayer subsidy of, surprise, surprise, $18 per day per commuter.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    peterwn, apparently it is a proposal at this stage but I suppose $2.00 per private vehicle one way would make a huge dent on your minuscule income?
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:50am
    - rangitoto
      
      We are already paying massive fuel taxes to pay for it. Even Twitford doesn’t say the proposed toll is to pay for the road. It’s because drivers are likely to be naughty and actually drive.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:58am
      - ztev
        
        $125 mill per year for 25 years to pay the PPP
        Without tolls the cost would be $15-18 PER DAY per vehicle in its early years
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:07am
      - srylands
        
        I don’t mind a toll. When I drive in Australia I pay lots of tolls to drive on great roads. But petrol is not $2.20 per litre.
        
        The irony here is that if National had said in 2017 that there would be a toll on Transmission Gully, Labour would have screamed blue murder. By all means let’s have a rational debate about how to finance new high quality roads. We need many of them over the next 50 years. But it looks like we won’t get them. Not until we realise that we are not going to make this country prosperous by building cycleways. And ztev don’t tell me National did it too. I don’t care.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:20am
      - MCos
        
        Australian petrol may be a cheaper, but registration is a lot more, I believe. There’s all sorts of costs involved with driving a car.
        
        Two dollars to use the Transmission Gully road is peanuts. It’s $2.30 for about six inches of motorway at the north end of Auckland.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:35am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Who said the Transmission Gully toll will only be $2?
        My guess is at least $5.
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:24am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        ztev
        “$125 mill per year for 25 years to pay the PPP
        Without tolls the cost would be $15-18 PER DAY per vehicle in its early years”
        Maths????
        to use your numbers 20000 vehicles average per day
        ie
        7.3 million per year
        $125 mill dived by 25 years = $5 mill per year
        $5 000 000 divided by 7 300 000
        is 68 cents per vehicle per day NOT $15-18.
        Another lefty who can’t use a pocket calculator, must work in Robertson’s office.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:54pm
    - VicParking
      
      Stephie’s, morning, new Car ??
      https://goo.gl/images/s9m8j4
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:12am
      - realityczech
        
        VicP, stupidboy is not allowed near goats as part of his parole conditions.
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:29pm
  - KevOB
    
    Transmission Gully is required as an alternative route out of Wellington region.
    
    Grades are critical to trucks. Uphill translates to work against gravity with added fuel costs and power demands. The latter may be limited by the engine. A truckie may well decide its not feasible, possible but risky or uneconomic. They shouln’t be deprecated by junior intelligentsia for making commonsense choices which ideologists are forbidden to do.
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:51am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Mass produced Electric and Hybrid trucks are going to start deploying in next few years. The savings they allow from braking energy recovery make them much cheaper to run, and the cheapness of adding electric motor power means that they will also have a lot more power (possibly exceeding 1000kW) to run full speed up and down steep gradients.
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:44am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right KevOB plus there are two distinct calculations for selecting fleet vehicles or even single owner operator. A) road grade and B) road speed. Operating in hilly terrain the owner will opt for the ability of climbing hills over road speed. While the majority of long haul will target road speed. A combination of engine, gearbox, axle ration and tyre size are what determine which is best suited. There is no one size fits all so it may be less than economic for some trucks to use Transmission Gully with tolls added to the cost as the time saving would not offset it. It might just be the industry indicating that tolls as a tax gathering option are not acceptable since they never stop paying for the roads with fuel tax and road user charges. Or could this be the first step to making EV’s meet some of the road costs they already use for free?
      
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      July 2, 2018 4:42pm
- G152
  
  But but but.
  They’re saving us from ourselves. Consider this.
  They have solved the accident rate on a yet unbuilt highway by pricing it out of our ability to use it.
  Don’t you see just how JAG has solved the accident rate somewhere.. like she promised
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:32am
  - Komata
    
    G152
    
    Ear, you haven’t been listening to old Goon Shows have you? They were advocating something similar back in the 1950’s; nothing seems to have changed…
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:36am
- realityczech
  
  The new road is only for the moneyed elite and party faithful in their chauffeured limousines.
  
  We can’t have those Samoans from Cannons Creek just driving around as they please, now can we?
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:35pm
waikatogirl

Simon Bridges said on TV3 this morning:
A report predicting a boom of 4,100 prisoners by the Ministry of Justice came out in November. The COL have known about the increase in numbers for the past 6 months but are sitting on their hands choosing to cancel building the previously planned new much-needed prison at Waikeria. Double-bunking of prisoners creates a higher danger of violence and the lack of space with more prisoners creates added danger for the prison guards.
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July 2, 2018 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  How does Indonesia get away with putting 10 prisoners in a cage, and why doesn’t Cuba complain seeing they are on the UN Human Rights Council? Well we could try the caging treatment and wait for the UN screams.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:18am
  - Piniwi
    
    @Inandout seems Angry Andy needs to consult the President of the Philippines who currently able to put 80 people in a cell intended for 6. That’s the men and about the same for the women. His new civil disobedience laws can see a child as young as 5 in there too taken from the street outside his house because of having no shirt on. Now that’s economy of scale for you.
    
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    July 2, 2018 4:52pm
- GazzaW
  
  That’s an easy fix WG.
  
  Just introduce Andy’s ‘catch, tag and release’ programme and they can all stay at home.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:22am
  - VicParking
    
    Free if you join the Labour, Green or NZ First Party. A prisoner on bail to stay in your spare room. Green Party members will get two strikers.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:20am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  So it’s only a matter of time before the CoL gets someone killed in a NZ Prison.
  
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  July 2, 2018 5:14pm
oldpark

Heres one for the ages. TVNZ claims to be NZs most “trusted” news outlet and reporting. Surely they cant be serious and are faking it. Especially with 263 dedicated Lie-bour/Green Party sycophants in their news room. Not forgetting most of their “trusted” news come from the masters of fake news CNN and BBC both bastions of made dog anti establishment reporting.
Its bad enough every night as TVNZ peddle their claim that they are NZs most trusted” news” outlet, they have taken on a reject from Red Radio the partners in slime with TVNZ. Named Campbell who also couldn’t cut the mustard with TV3.

The Liebour/Green / NZF Coalition of Confusion and Chaos will be dancing in the streets as they have made sure that their political propaganda machine TVNZ will now represent them totally ” fake” news and all .What a bloody indictment of political corruption dished up and paid for by an unsuspecting conned Taxpayer.
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July 2, 2018 8:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  You really mustn’t watch that stuff, oldprick, you know how it upsets you.
  Have a nice cup of tea and your pills and wait till you can read some soothing new tweets from President Trump.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:28am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And what about the Labour Party paid political broadcast on the news last night with selected low-income people praising the Government’s new families package? And this was on TV3. The TV1 version must have been vomit-inducing.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:35am
    - hullkiwi
      
      It was no different on Friday on Red Radio. Their programme at 6.45pm Focus on Politics was on the same topic. It was nothing more than a propaganda piece for the CoL and Robertson with fake letters to him being read in Parliament.
      
      Then yesterday, it was Cindy telling us about the first baby & how significant the $60/week to new parents was. Please, give me a break from the B’S.
      
      However, the funny bit to all this was another news story that at least 1,000 children per year are not registered. The excuses being poor South Auckland families, who don’t know they are meant to; are illiterate; and don’t have the internet.
      But what this tale really means is there are 1000 kids/annum who the system has minimal records of (ie they may have been born in a hospital), but in the coning years will show up in health care facilities, may be early education, & at schools. How the f**k is any government (let alone this incompetent bunch) are meant to plan for these children, if they are not even registered?
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:05am
    - VicParking
      
      Working for Families Web Site:
      “This means from 1 April 2018, if you’re getting Accommodation Supplement, this payment may go up“ ??
      “From 1 July 2018, a Winter Energy Payment” not April??
      “From 1 July 2018, if you get the Family Tax Credit, the amount you get may increase” ???
      “The tax changes announced as part of the May 2017 Budget will no longer be made”
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:29am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Aye, Captain, it was a shocker.
      I watched it just to confirm my suspicions.
      All on the day the CoL announces increases for some.
      I refuse to believe there is no connection.
      
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      July 2, 2018 10:40am
  - oldpark
    
    @chameleon once was named Milkenmild.
    Got you worried . Seems you dont like the cold steel up you. As for President Trump seems you hate winners totally. Figures the losers you continually support. How many winners in the “Coalition of Confusion and Corruption” can you name.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:03am
    - stephieboy
      
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      oldpark, the gullibility standards need to be raised with your kind of posts.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:16am
      - pentwig
        
        stupidboy
        your intelligent comment cracks me up
        LOL
        sigh!!
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:20am
      - oldpark
        
        @Stephieboy.
        Mumble ,Mumble you headbanging illiterate ignoramus.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:41am
- KevOB
  
  The “news” about the changed payments regime just started was dished up as a part political broadcast. It omitted current details.
  I know the proposals to buy future elections: I don’t know yet how much I can expect in the bank next week.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:38am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Speaking of dubious claims….
  Flicking around the radio stations on the drive into work and heard an add on radio live claiming that over 3 million kiwis get their news from newshub.
  #EvidencePlease
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:38am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    For a start are there even three million ‘kiwis’ in NZ ?
    You need a phone app to communicate with half of them these days.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:53am
- Harkman
  
  Last night’s news was a disgrace on One it was a propaganda piece for Labour and more disturbingly a pro-welfare campaign piece.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:20am
secondcumming

Fox News are reporting that India have just passed into law the ordinance allowing for the *Death Penalty* to be imposed on anyone *convicted of raping a girl under 12*. If it does not act as a deterrent to this vile crime, it will certainly have the effect of reducing India’s overcrowded jails.

Just like the POTUS, I’ve always considered India to be nothing more than a filthy, backward, third-world shithole….but on hearing this news, I may well have to reconsider my stance. Well done PM Narendra Modi !!
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July 2, 2018 8:23am
- KKKKatee
  
  In Mexico, it is now legal to have sex with girls aged 12 and over. OMG! What in the hell is the world coming to? At the age of 12 I sure as hell wasn’t ready to have sex with anyone, physically or emotionally. Wasn’t even on my radar at that stage. I was just an innocent kid.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:29am
  - secondcumming
    
    Wasn’t it *Phil Goff*, when he was Liarbor’s Justice Minister some years back, that advocated for the age of consent to be lowered to 12?
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, it was.
      However it was only to apply to consensual sex between 12-16 year olds.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3568290
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:59am
    - waikatogirl
      
      That’s just sick.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:03am
      - stephieboy
        
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        In Japan the age of consent was 14 until recent times.
        
        That’s just sick.
        
        Or is it more they are Hispanics and Mexicans?
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:20am
      - Harkman
        
        Speaking of sick, here comes Ralph to defend it ⤴
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:26am
    - Longknives
      
      “Wasn’t it *Phil Goff*, that advocated for the age of consent to be lowered to 12?”
      
      Is he trying to get the numbers up for his beloved ‘Kiwifist’ Festival?
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:41am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Well at least Mexican girls are so fat that the blubber layers offer some barricading protection.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sexual intercourse doesn’t work that way…
      and chubby girls are more likely to reach menarche before skinny waifs.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:03am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        I wouldn’t know Mags – my man parts and Auckland’s volcanoes – wow. Putting the ‘man’ in ‘dormant’.
        That comment is getting shafted like a Mexican girl. Wa-how . . . I’m on the block getting smashed.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:14am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @LRC
        
        I’m sending you some educational booklets about mummies and daddies (in a brown wrapper, of course).
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/ephemera/27022/sex-education-booklets
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:43am
      - lifesgood
        
        I seem to remember a 10 year old mexican girl gave birth a few years back. That is unutterably sad. Poor kid, she should be still playing with dolls not having to mind a baby.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:14pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Get a job moron.
      
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      July 2, 2018 10:08am
  - MCos
    
    Not as simple as you make out, Katee.
    The age of consent is 18; below that, to the age of 12, one party can be taken to the police by the other or their family, which is probably what happens here below 16.
    That’s the way I read it, anyway.
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:22am
  - realityczech
    
    You should probably check the ages of consent around the world. You might be shocked. While you are at it – also check your privilege and stop whitesplaining.
    
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    July 2, 2018 12:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      I cannot find the age of consent at Labour Youff Parties in Labour’s website !
      Thought one was only 15 years old.
      Will we see anything on the Thursday 5th July or will the pervert plead not guilty so the trial is put back to next year and be sub judice in the hope that the Princess can change the law retrospectively ?
      But in a trial as such those who were perpetrated will have to appear as witness and be grilled by Counsel.
      
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      July 2, 2018 1:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        That is because stupefied children can’t legally give consent.
        
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        July 2, 2018 5:45pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I think it is still a shithole. Look at some of the quality students and their way of living when here.
  
  One swallow does not a summer make.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:35am
  - starboard
    
    I have been to India and can confirm that it is a dirty filthy shithole.
    I would also call it hell on earth.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:57am
    - stephieboy
      
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      starboard, which make of horses blinkers were you wearing?
      
      http://www.ezhorsebetting.com/how-to-bet-blinkers-on-and-off-in-horseracing/
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:22am
      - starboard
        
        Have you been to India shariaboy…thought not, so STFU.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:11am
      - stephieboy
        
        starboard , I have. Four times and loved it like the millions who go there each year and who keep their blinkers off.
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:15pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Septicboy “horse blinkers” can these be obtained at the same shop as “goat hobbles”?
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:22pm
    - rangitoto
      
      They flush most of the raw sewerage straight into the rivers. They do have some treatment plants but 70% of them are dysfunctional.
      
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      July 2, 2018 10:05am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        ” They flush most of the raw sewerage straight into the rivers.”
        
        And that’s only the stuff that isn’t in the gutter.
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:00pm
      - softail 1450
        
        rangitoto ,and burned bodies, the crocks are enormous.
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:33pm
    - pejhay
      
      And did they make him an attractive looking horse… Whinny has some of my tax for you…
      
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      July 2, 2018 2:24pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    One swallow does not a summer make.
    
    Words Grant Robertson swears by . . .
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:59am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Funny, I heard stupid Kelvin use those words in his interview on Red Radio with Espiner this morning.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:32am
    - MH
      
      as in down the throat ?
      
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      July 2, 2018 2:40pm
- kowtow
  
  Rough place.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5873265/Five-women-working-Christian-missionary-aid-charity-kidnapped-gang-raped-India.html
  
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  July 2, 2018 10:09am
- DJ Ward
  
  So you didn’t mind that NZ didn’t make it a crime for a person to have sex with a child of any age or sex until 2008. Leaving Suadi Arabia the only nation without one.
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:46pm
KiWombat

“If you are riding a dead horse the best thing to do is dismount”. However in the New Zealand Parliament other things to be tried, (but not limited to) are the following:-

buy a stronger whip

change riders

threaten the horse with termination

appoint a committee to study the horse

arrange to visit other countries to see how they ride dead horses

lower the standards so dead horses can be included

create a training session to increase the riders load share

reclassify the horse as `living impaired’

hire outside contractors to ride the dead horse

harness several dead horses together for increased speed and efficiency

donate the dead horse to a recognised charity therefore deducting its full original cost

provide additional funding to increase horse’s performance

do a time management study to see if lighter riders would improve productivity

purchase an after market product that makes dead horses run faster

declare the dead horse has lower overheads and is therefore more cost effective

form a quality focus group to find profitable uses for dead horses

rewrite the performance requirements for horses

and finally if all else fails…..promote the dead horse into a supervisory (management) position
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July 2, 2018 8:30am
- Dave Mann
  
  Brilliant! 😀
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:33am
- Komata
  
  KW
  
  So THAT is how Cindy came to be PM…
  
  Thank you.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:41am
Rodney Randall

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/07/merkel-and-europe-almost-gone/

MERKEL AND EUROPE ALMOST GONE
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July 2, 2018 8:37am
- jedmo
  
  Can’t seem to get onto Whale Oil site.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:18am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    It was cripplingly slow this morning.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:27am
  - Harkman
    
    Doesn’t he charge?
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:34am
    - Colville
      
      I didnt think he could give it away these days?
      
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      July 2, 2018 12:31pm
EAD_TWO

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Israel has killed over 120 refugees on their border, including 15 children, since March 2018.

Yet, it’s America’s border policy that the jewish community decries as cruel and intolerable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5879521/British-rabbi-delivers-chilling-warning-Trumps-dehumanising-immigration-policy.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-jews-protest-us-border-policy-at-ice-headquarters-in-new-york/

Unreal hypocrisy. I guess we are not supposed to notice what Israel is up to. That would be “anti-Semitic”.
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July 2, 2018 8:46am
- mandk
  
  The reality is that Israel has saved many more than 120 lives (including Palestinian lives) by taking strong action to prevent an invasion by Hamas fighters and their pawns who are intent on killing all and every Israeli they come across.
  
  What do you imagine would happen if Israel did not defend its borders?
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:57am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    What do you imagine would happen if Israel did not defend its borders?
    
    What do you think is happening because America and Europe are being constantly lobbied to not their borders?
    
    Or do those tens of thousands of murders and deaths not count?
    
    Deal in reality mandk not hypotheticals
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:01am
    - mandk
      
      You’re badly missing the point.
      
      I think every country has the right to defend its borders. Especially countries that have neighbours that want to destroy them completely and kill all their citizens.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:08am
    - GoVege
      
      The Palestinians deliberately put their civilians in dangerous situations where they are likely to be killed.
      Life is cheap in their culture, especially female lives.
      In fact, you could almost call the deaths of female civilians mercy killings, when you consider the lives of slavery and imprisonment in the home so many are destined to live under Islam.
      
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      July 2, 2018 1:31pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Or do those tens of thousands of murders and deaths not count?”
      
      No. Goy are little better than beasts.
      
      ————————————————-
      
      “Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever . . . their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews. . .” Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. p. 108-109.
      
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      July 2, 2018 7:24pm
  - realityczech
    
    “What do you imagine would happen if Israel did not defend its borders?”
    
    I am all for them defending their borders. But they are not defending borders, they are advancing a military invasion.
    
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    July 2, 2018 7:22pm
- mandk
  
  Hundreds of Jews out of 5.5 million in the USA. That’s maybe 1 in 25,000.
  
  How does that represent the Jewish community?
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:03am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    97% of Jews vote to keep out Le Pen and instead vote for the open borders candidate Macron.
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-israelis-vote-overwhelmingly-for-macron/
    
    It’s the hypocrisy mandk – ethno-state for me open borders for thee.
    
    Or as Stephen Weisman recently wrote –
    
    “The Jew flourishes when borders come down,” he writes, “when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected.” The dynamic between the particular and the universal, what Weisman terms the tribalists and the internationalists, has tugged at Jews for centuries.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:12am
  - realityczech
    
    “Hundreds of Jews out of 5.5 million in the USA. That’s maybe 1 in 25,000.
    
    How does that represent the Jewish community?”
    
    It does not. Anymore than the few Saudis flying a plane into a building represents the Muslim community.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:02pm
- MickMac
  
  Yep
  those wicked Jews.
  How can they kill people trying to invade their country.
  
  bad Jews.
  
  It’s not their country, they stole it off the poor down trodden Arabs living there.
  
  Bad Jews.
  
  Fighting 5 wars against massive Arab/Muslim armies and defeating them over 60 yrs.
  
  Bad Jews.
  
  They deserve having thousands of rockets, Mortors hurled at their homes and cities.
  
  Bad Jews.
  
  How dare they have a working independent court system and a democracy that allows everyone to shout at the government and vote them out.
  
  OHHH those Bad Jews.
  
  They should go back to where they came from and let the Arabs have their land back….
  
  Ohh, they were born there?…
  Oh they have lived there continuously for 3000 years..
  Ohhh
  
  Bad Jews.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:22am
EAD_TWO

Well done Croatia❗
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July 2, 2018 8:47am
- mandk
  
  For strongly defending its borders?
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:04am
  - DigNap15
    
    And Myanmar and Hungary and Long Live Poland
    .
    Tow all the ships back, right back to West Africa.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:09am
    - MCos
      
      You still defending Myanmar.
      You obviously haven’t been educating yourself about the situation there since you first started championing their depraved version of ethnic cleansing, which BTW includes a lot more minorities than just the Muslims.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:52am
secondcumming

I hear that TVNZ are considering replacing the long-running series of *Police 10/7* with an up dated cop show reflecting the department’s newly found diversity 😎

It will be loosely based on the early, butt wildly popular American sitcom…..
‘Car 54, where are you?’

https://i.imgflip.com/2d8bji.jpg
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July 2, 2018 8:53am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I reckon get rid of 10/7. Racist as. Where are all the non-brown people ? Chur.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:08am
  - DigNap15
    
    Working and paying tax? Chur
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:39am
- skyblue
  
  Are you referring to the Maori version of ‘This is Your Life?’
  
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  July 2, 2018 11:49am
DigNap15

And with all our crims coming back from Australia we are going to need more prisons.
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July 2, 2018 9:06am
DigNap15

If the COL want to reduce the prison population they should work on ways to stop people getting into crime and stop violent behaviour by one ethnic group.
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July 2, 2018 9:07am
Rich Prick

Have a barf at this steaming pile of shite. Stupid little girl.
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July 2, 2018 9:16am
- waldonz
  
  And check out the comments! Rather scathing and rightly so.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:24am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The tide has really turned on Cindymania.
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:31am
    - waldonz
      
      Reading the most upvoted comments renews my faith in my fellow New Zealanders.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:44am
    - Longknives
      
      Interesting to read even a few Labour voters saying they are getting tired of her using the baby as a smokescreen for her inept Government..
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:45am
      - waldonz
        
        Everything about JA is choreographed. It’s just downright creepy & sick.
        
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        July 2, 2018 9:49am
    - Paulus
      
      Tide not yet turned on Mother of the Nation – the media still think she is the cat’s whisker as no other women have ever had a baby or can get media cover whenever they want.
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:58am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Has anyone else received the fluffy letter from Cindy reminding us all how wonderful her ‘Government’ is?
      Not sure if she’s going to get my email reply while she’s on baby duty but I derived a lot of satisfaction from composing it.
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:37am
      - waldonz
        
        Can you please share your reply with us?
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:28pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        OK Waldonz, here it is:
        
        Jacinda,
        
        I’ve just found your unwelcome and unwanted letter in my mailbox.
        Your Winston-appointed sham Government needs to stop wasting taxpayers’ money on unsolicited mailouts of garbage.
        WORST. GOVERNMENT. EVER
        Thank god it’s only got 29 months to go.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:17pm
      - waldonz
        
        Thanks Captain – great response! Like you, I’m counting down the months till the next election. I’ve been following politics since I was in intermediate school back in the early 80’s going right back to the days of Sir Robert Muldoon. This is definitely the worst government ever by a country mile.
        
        The 2020 election is going to be very interesting.
        
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        July 2, 2018 1:35pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Fuck Captain, I got home to that pile of shit too.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:42pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        It looks like I have something to look forward to when I get home.
        I might rts it personally.
        The woman only lives a few hundred metres from me.
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:49pm
  - Kabull
    
    But look at the comments on her facebook page! St Jacinda she is to her dedicated followers …
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:42am
    - waldonz
      
      Facebook truly is a cesspool of vomit as far as I’m concerned. Just take a look at the National Party facebook page. I swear that the trolls that frequent that page have severe mental health issues and the real scary thing is that these creatures vote!
      
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      July 2, 2018 9:48am
      - Inandout
        
        Not being employed, the trolls have ample time to work their mischief, and yes, they are often mentally unbalanced.
        
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        July 2, 2018 10:32am
      - waldonz
        
        It’s rather interesting that I’ve received 3 (to date) down ticks for my post. They must belong to the group of people with severe mental health issues that I was referring to 🙂
        
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        July 2, 2018 11:36am
- stephieboy
  
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  Rich Prick,
  
  Stupid little Prick!
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Oops, apologies sb, upticked you by mistake. I really must be more careful. 50 lines for wg. ?
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:04am
    - Harkman
      
      I know it really is a criminal offense, I just upticked ztev on the Infometrics by mistake ?
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:48am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Hang your head in shame!
        
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        July 2, 2018 4:50pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Off to the Gulag. That is unforgivable. Write out a thousand times. I will not uptick the bigotted, nasty senile, moronic ztev.
        
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        July 2, 2018 7:57pm
- softail 1450
  
  RP ,you should have put an age warning on that, but, but, but, shes got a flat stomach already .
  
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  July 2, 2018 2:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Refused to watch the crap, but the comments are interesting for Stuff. I have hope. I might not need to suggest shedding tears and getting strikes for using the “ass…” word….
  
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  July 2, 2018 7:56pm
dime

I was flipping through the latest nz property investor or whatever its called.

at the very back they did a Q&A with that airhead greens MP whos about 15. chloe whoever.

Anyway, she ran that line about how she could never see herself being able to afford a house.

i know its just a magazine but they could have at least called her out for being a lying sack of shit.

shes on 150 stacks a year, plus various benes.

how fucking insulting to those who battle for years to save up to get into a house, people who never get close to 150 stacks.

is there anyone more full of shit than a green?
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July 2, 2018 9:19am
- Longknives
  
  I read another interview with her the other day saying she only has two or three sets of clothes! Because she wants to save the planet (or something)
  Oh and she never travels in cars..(Cars are evil you see)
  
  I’m so happy to be paying $150k plus perks to this silly little child..
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:48am
  - dime
    
    wonder if it uses a razor *shudder*
    
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    July 2, 2018 9:58am
  - DigNap15
    
    You might be happy paying her that much, but the rest of us are paying her about $500K
    
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    July 2, 2018 10:40am
- Rich Prick
  
  She must be pretty useless with money.
  
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  July 2, 2018 10:18am
- backster
  
  dime “is there anyone more full of shit than a green”?
  
  Yep I read somewhere that Winston couldn’t afford to turn his heater on……Mind you that was after he had repaid Winz for their carelessness in paying him too much and sending the reminder notices to the wrong address.
  
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  July 2, 2018 10:33am
MickMac

No
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July 2, 2018 9:24am
Left Right and Centre

Typical NZ woman.
Take a job knowing you’ll be off knocked up.
Poor little puppet.
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July 2, 2018 9:36am
Fletch

A man in America, a former Democrat, has started a #WalkAway campaign to encourage people to leave the Democrat party like he did. Apparently it is gaining steam and trending everywhere. He has made media appearances etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pjs7uoOkag

https://www.facebook.com/usminority/
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July 2, 2018 9:56am
- Inandout
  
  A brave man and surely a target for a Demo supporting idiot. If stephie watches this he will become comatose.
  
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  July 2, 2018 10:29am
MCos

I expect one of the top priorities of the forthcoming Trump/Putin summit will be to organise a visit to the WH by the Russian football team.
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July 2, 2018 10:02am
Chuck Bird

This POS certainly should have been a candidate for LWOP. It is a little unclear if this was his second or third strike. In any case, it seems like the judge invoked the manifestly unjust clause.

‘Cowardly thug’ sentenced to life in prison for murder of young Auckland mum

The judge considered sending Tai to prison without the possibility of parole, which would have been the first instance of its kind for an offender with two strikes in New Zealand’s legal history, the court heard.

However, he gave Tai a minimum period of imprisonment of 17 years. Tai will be 40 by the time he can seek parole.

Justice Muir called Tai a recidivist “seasoned” violent offender and “cowardly thug” and said it may take a “personal epiphany” if he is to reform behind bars.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12079493
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July 2, 2018 10:09am
- backster
  
  Disgusting that the Judge lacked the courage to apply the law as intended.
  
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  July 2, 2018 10:40am
- DigNap15
  
  In the USA Life means Life.
  In China he would have had a bullet in the back of his head by now.
  We also have to blame the females who shack up with these losers. They need to chose better boyfriends.
  
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  July 2, 2018 10:44am
  - MCos
    
    Love that justice system over in China, do you?
    
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    July 2, 2018 11:37am
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes,
      Its better than paying $90,000 a year to keep violent murderers in jail, then letting them out when they will be a drain on society for the rest of their life!
      
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      July 2, 2018 11:59am
      - MCos
        
        They need all the money they can save to house those myriads of political prisoners – the ones they haven’t executed too.
        
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        July 2, 2018 12:33pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Dignap15, its between 25/30k to keep a prisoner in a U S jail ,WTF are we doing wrong ?
        
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        July 2, 2018 3:16pm
    - kowtow
      
      Iraq saving Europe a lot of grief.
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5907137/British-jihadis-travel-Iraq-fight-ISIS-face-death-hanging.html#comments
      
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      July 2, 2018 1:49pm
      - Manolo
        
        stephieboy is in mourning.
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:49pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      yes. Any country that culls filth effectively has got to be loved.
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hard to get a quality boyfriend when you left school at 15, can’t cook, thick as pigshit and covered in tats.
    
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    July 2, 2018 11:43am
    - GoVege
      
      Hard to be choosy when you’re turfed out of home at 14 or 15, already been molested by mum’s succession of boyfriends and maybe even pimped out by mum’s gang mates.
      Kept out of school to babysit mum’s latest cashcow so you’re illiterate.
      But in this country only immigrants get prosecuted for pimping/abusing the kids.
      The tangata whenua are untouchable.
      
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      July 2, 2018 12:19pm
      - MrLovebucket
        
        It’s a ‘cultural’ thing which means you’re the problem for oppressing them with your western ways.
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:06pm
      - Happychappy
        
        And whats your beloved Labour Party done about it GoVege, sweet fuck all apart from chuck more money at the ones that create the problem and blame everyone else for a problem that Winston and Jacinda used against National.
        
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        July 2, 2018 2:24pm
      - GoVege
        
        HC: neither Labour or National are willing to challenge the irrational beliefs that demand hardworking taxpayers shell out for useless losers to drag up a dozen kids in poverty, illiteracy and crime.
        I vote for Labour because they are the best of a bad bunch, overall.
        I haven’t forgotten Ruthenasia, market rents or the way Natonal ignored the meningococcal epidemic that disabled or killed 6 times as many Polynesian kids as Pakeha ones.
        
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        July 2, 2018 3:40pm
- GoVege
  
  Why the heck didn’t the hospital staff call the cops to investigate, when this young woman was hospitalized with injuries from this cretin beating her up?
  It was obvious a crime had been committed.
  Just because she was over 16 or 18 why should she be forced to make a complaint about a creep she was clearly terrified of?
  Has our society no obligation to protect victims of violent crime BEFORE they are killed?
  
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  July 2, 2018 3:33pm
tedbear

Henry Cooke from Stuff reckons Sunday was Twyford’s official day one for Kiwibuild.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105107864/where-kiwibuild-is-at-with-one-year-to-build-1000-houses
So first we have Twyford saying in December last year “we’ll hit the ground running building houses and he’d hope that we’d be turning the key in the front door of KiwiBuild homes sometime around the middle of next year”.
Next it was announced in April that 18 Kiwibuild homes in Papakura were underway and completed in August.
Henry also has a cute Kiwibuild Tracker that says 430 homes are under construction. I assume all but 18 of these 430 are in fact HNZ properties. Remember Twyford said any HNZ builds were over and above Kiwibuild’s 100,000.
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July 2, 2018 10:38am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The “Kiwibuild” homes in the McLellan subdivision in Papakura are actually a rollover from the previous government, but Twyford is trying to claim credit for them. That they are in Judith Collins’ electorate has added spice to their battles 😀
  
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  July 2, 2018 11:02am
  - sooty
    
    Nothing like starting a 100m race from halfway!
    
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    July 2, 2018 12:42pm
Ross12

I wonder whether there will be an auditing procedure put in place for this regional fuel tax to show Auckland rate payers that the revenues go where they meant to go. That is, not into the general slush fund.
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July 2, 2018 11:45am
Anne Glen Eden

You’d have to laugh if it wasn’t so sad. Braunias’ nightmares have come true – David Seymour may as well have won DWTS – because watching the end of it (or the bits minus Dai’s unspeakably painful performances during which I rapidly switch channels) was like watching the end of the Louise Nicholas trial or the underarm bowl.

There’s no doubt who really won DWTS – as a dancing competition or attempt at an entertaining dancing competition. It was indisputably Chris Harris. I know it. The judges know it. I hope Chris knows it. Most of all, Sam knows it.

That Sam ‘won’ it is a tribute to the tribal nature of the Left wing, MSM, instagram, probably with a dose of feminism – like the election; clever marketing with a good coordinator, at least whose efforts were acknowledged. They even managed to mention ‘Jacinda’ in the preamble. It isn’t that I didn’t like Sam. I voted for her all the way through, terrified that PC would vote in Shav for being Maori or Jess for being disabled.

While I acknowledge the desire and commitment Shav put into her efforts, I’ve now realised that Maori generally have special skills in graceless thuggery (not Shav) and manipulative deceit – or deceitful manipulation – but natural sensuality and physical fluidity is hard work for them and mostly absent.

Sam’s application and achievement was admirable in eliciting previously unexpressed sensuality and grace and I have no doubt she should have come second. But that’s the point – she should have come second. If it was a cricket pitch with an LBW or runout decision, she should have walked off the pitch voluntarily as a question of honour.

NZ seem to be adopting ever more of Maori cultural habits – all that matters is who comes out on top; the end justifies the means. It’s sad, even in entertainment or maybe especially in entertainment. Lack of honour, integrity, denial of true ‘winning’ commitment, achievement, and skill, probably shouldn’t be entertaining. It wasn’t to me. It certainly shouldn’t be a ‘model’ for all those youthful audiences.
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July 2, 2018 11:55am
- rangitoto
  
  If it was an actual dancing competition, I suspect that Naz would have won.
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:05pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    I’m inclined to agree – and she was voted off for equally shameful reasons. Mind you, she had a lot of ability to start with.
    
    Chris’ application and improvement was stunning. He’s been a terrific model for the male of the species. If NZ women had any real sense on all sorts of levels, they’d be promoting it.
    
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    July 2, 2018 12:17pm
    - MH
      
      well he was a medium right arm bowler
      
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      July 2, 2018 2:50pm
  - Harkman
    
    I’m not a Naz fan, but I was jogging around Hagley park during my lunch time about 8 months ago and she was power-walking, she’s gotten quite muscular and cut since the bachelor.
    
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    July 2, 2018 12:21pm
- Harkman
  
  Yes Chris won, we all know but there was no way TV3 would let their prime-time news anchor lose.
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:16pm
- KevOB
  
  I’m glad you’ve spotted the cultural deceit element. It’s classed as trickery. Winning is not being caught. Was that used at Waitiangi?
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:30pm
dime

this morning i saw an interview with trump.

hes prepping for another round of tax relief. focussed on the middle class.

what a great president.

hes talking 21% to 20% and some other stuff. not huge but awesome all the same
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July 2, 2018 12:02pm
- DigNap15
  
  I hope he does that, because most tax cuts in the USA seem to help the rich, not the workers!
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:10pm
  - dime
    
    how do you figure that?
    
    his last round of tax cuts was massive for the middle class
    
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    July 2, 2018 12:13pm
    - DigNap15
      
      I’d like to agree with you.
      But the figures I saw, showed the middle class got diddly squat.
      We need to find the exact figures…
      
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      July 2, 2018 12:56pm
DigNap15

I think Chris was the best dancer. He had great footwork and did some good lifts/
Of the girls I think Shav was the best, her grace and footwork in slow and fast dances was terrific.
Sam was good at some styles, but not all.
In the end DWTS is a popularity contest.
The judges said that Chris was their choice.
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July 2, 2018 12:03pm
- RF
  
  Is Shav the former squeeze from the gay mans harem.
  
  Just asking as I heard he had a bevy of beauties at his beck and call.
  
  This does not require the Commissioner of Police to confirm this in writing as on this occasion I am prepared to take his word for it.
  
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  July 2, 2018 6:51pm
DigNap15

I wanted to see Naz and Gilda get further, but they were voted off by the social media haters.
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July 2, 2018 12:04pm
realityczech

I see the mule toothed communist is taking steps to ensure the peasants do not impede the progress of her limousine convoy on Wellington roads – with yet another tax.

The huddled masses can be packed on to trains, if they even have a job. Another policy that will hit the poor hardest and first.
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July 2, 2018 12:26pm
- rangitoto
  
  So only politburo members will be approved to use Transmission Gully?
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:36pm
  - realityczech
    
    It appears so. Note that all citizens using the road will now have their details recorded for access by the authorities. That is how these toll roads work.
    
    Already we have the earthquake commission using the SIS, police and PI’s to spy on and harass citizens who speak out. Imagine what is in store for those who speak out about the dear leader!
    
    It is going to get much much worse in future. Just you wait and see.
    
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    July 2, 2018 12:49pm
Cunningham

Anyone who still has doubts about how embarrassing and incompetent this government is should listen to this interview of Kelvin Davis this morning on Radio NZ. It’s just stunning how he has got to the level he has in the Government.
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July 2, 2018 12:42pm
- realityczech
  
  Anyone who still has doubts about how embarrassing and incompetent this government is ~~should listen to this interview of Kelvin Davis this morning on Radio NZ.~~ beyond hope.
  
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  July 2, 2018 12:52pm
  - GoVege
    
    Stop brow-beating him!
    Can’t you see he’s sexy!?
    
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    July 2, 2018 1:03pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Govege,, A young Winston without the shit house rat cunning.
      
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      July 2, 2018 3:36pm
      - GoVege
        
        No way Softail.
        Kelvin is the genuine article.
        He’s just been thrown in at the deep end and will take some time to get his bearings.
        But I don’t believe he is in politics to feather his own nest like other Maori politicians sadly are.
        Or to push a stupid agenda of Maori sovereignty /separatism etc.
        
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        July 2, 2018 3:54pm
  - Manolo
    
    Mr Davis is a token Maori minister and a hopeless, incompetent individual.
    
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    July 2, 2018 2:47pm
- Komata
  
  Cunningham
  
  It’s who you know old chap, who you know…
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:20pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Link and/or time details please…?
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:51pm
  - Cunningham
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018651731
    
    It’s pretty cringe worthy!
    
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    July 2, 2018 1:58pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Wow, that’s incredible. What a muppet.
      But in saying that, not a lot worse than many of the other CoL Ministers.
      
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      July 2, 2018 2:33pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Thanks!
      
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      July 2, 2018 4:32pm
Philview

I have noticed several newspaper articles recently saying that the Business Sector is faking it when it says it concerned about the economy going forward. Chris Trotter called it an “Investment Strike”. Commentary along the lines that National Party supporting business people are a threat to our democracy.
I don’t know a single business person who would deliberately scuttle their business to take down a Government. I am concerned that the media are opening up this strategy but I wonder if we are going to see a lot more of it.
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July 2, 2018 1:20pm
- Poppa
  
  I deal a lot with small & medium business & I can tell Trotter that what he suggests is rubbish.
  
  There is a lot of concern in the business community mainly started by the oil & gas decision
  
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  July 2, 2018 1:34pm
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a good reason why John Tamihere laughingly referred to him as ‘Trotsky’.
    
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    July 2, 2018 1:46pm
Surely Knott

Auckland Council has said ATEED is now going to focus on the rising unemployment, particularly in South and West Auckland. ATEED moved to their new bluechip waterfront offices which our councillors voted in last year, while the state-of -the- art- green – train- linked Henderson City Council building and the surrounding businesses it support remained largely empty after the exocus of AT. The remaining Henderson service centre is to be closed while they build a new building for a new service centre in Albany. So now that Council have completely stripped all the council jobs from the west, ateed, in the city, will pontificate about how to spend the $5mill of welfare to improve the lot of the suburbs that have been stripped of council jobs or business opportunities, after council moved AT and Ateed into the city . Council’s poor planning and city centric focus leaving high unemployment in the outer areas.
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July 2, 2018 1:27pm
MH

I wonder if they are using OneRoof’s diversity radar.
As I was walking down to the Hindu dairy to pick up my latest OneRoof Homes for Sale catalogue (sp) I passed my local Down and out maori begger and before i could pick up a copy a gypo looking guy and a walking post box sheila in a long black robe with sunnies on took the last one before making a bead for the WINZ office and I thought isn’t it great to be in NZ and this was only Queen St behind all the chinese writing on the windows done by importing asian labour students. I tried to contact my MP but I was transferred to a Filipino operator out of Dubai …..
Apparently the no go areas in the internet mag are in black and white whilst homes in Remmers are always advertised in colour.
What’s to complain about? Owen Vaughen-how could you !!!
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July 2, 2018 2:27pm
Manolo

MX veers left. The worst is yet to come: a second Venezuela in the making.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-01/mexico-heads-to-polls-with-leftist-on-brink-of-historic-victory

Mexicans have elected Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador as their first left-wing president in decades, according to exit polls that showed him headed for a landslide victory over two business-friendly rivals.
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July 2, 2018 2:44pm
- Philview
  
  On the news the other night over 100 political candidates have been murdered in Mexico in the last 8 months. If I lived next door to a country where that was happening I would want to build a wall.
  
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  July 2, 2018 4:51pm
Poppa

I had a laugh at the dentists earlier today when the dentist asked me what I thought of the new first baby’s name, & then promptly burst out laughing.

I got the feeling she is not a Cindymania supporter.

Interesting really as we have never spoken about politics before so I had no idea of which side she supports. My mouth is usually full of machinery anyway so it is difficult to make conversation
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July 2, 2018 3:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Poppa, did your Dentist feel and squeeze your nipples?
  
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  July 2, 2018 3:23pm
  - Poppa
    
    You need to lie down Steph, all this commenting has had a bad effect on you
    
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    July 2, 2018 3:40pm
  - Longknives
    
    Seriously Stephieboy?
    You are a bit sex-obsessed aren’t you??
    It’s kinda creepy Pal…
    
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    July 2, 2018 3:52pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    did your Dentist feel and squeeze your nipples?
    
    You’ve confused “dentist” and “sex therapist”.
    
    Oh, speaking of which, someone called “Amtullaha” (a very young girl) was looking for you. Apparently you’re late for your appointment. Quick – off you go!
    
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    July 2, 2018 4:00pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Uuugh, you are repulsive, Stephie, utterly repulsive.
    
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    July 2, 2018 6:36pm
- Longknives
  
  The fact that you weren’t stinking the place out with body odour (and that WINZ wasn’t paying your bill) probably gave it away that you weren’t a Labour voter Poppa…
  
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  July 2, 2018 3:51pm
MH

was she a bit naive?
And it’s a one and a two, join in when you feel the mood…

No, Nay, never,
No, nay never no more
Will I play the wild rover,
No never no more
nee neve never no more

attrib Clark Gayford, to be sung in moderation F Flat- or rumoured to be, awaiting Police clarification.
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July 2, 2018 3:09pm
sooty

Commie Chick Cindy, from the comforts of her cozy couch in her $1.5 mill doeruper, says.” I am not a media whore and will not publicze my poor wee baby!” Liar liar pants on fire.
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July 2, 2018 3:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  sooty . tell us about the kind of childhood you had that turned you into such a crashing bore?
  
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  July 2, 2018 3:22pm
rangitoto

Terrorists arrested:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/105157124/greenpeace-protests-mega-dairy-conversion-in-the-mackenzie-district
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July 2, 2018 4:12pm
- Philview
  
  Greenpeace can F off.
  
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  July 2, 2018 4:46pm
  - sooty
    
    If you ever come across greenpeace chained up to something, hose them down, throw buckets of water on them. They would soon have abandoned their stance this morning as the temp was zero or below.
    
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    July 2, 2018 4:56pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    and when they get to where-ever they have F’off to they can F off again, and when they have got to where ever they have finally F’ed off to they can F’ing stay there.
    
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    July 2, 2018 4:58pm
KiWombat

Anybody know when the winter energy payment is coming out? When mine arrives it should buy me about 3 tonnes of coal – enough to keep us warm through winter and then some !
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July 2, 2018 4:41pm
RW Capitalist

Just learned today
Our illustrious govt.
Is cutting podiatry services to diabetics
I believe from 4 visits per year to 3 visits per year.
Podiatrists providing this service, should know within a week.
What other ancillary health services, do you suppose they will be cutting back on?
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July 2, 2018 4:42pm
- Southern Raider
  
  And who uses that most? Yep loyal labour voting PIs from south auckland
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:25pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND & AUSTRALIA: Is Jacinda Ardern the savior of the global Left? – MacroBusiness Australia

… MacroBusiness Australia responds to rot in The Guardian …

Is Jacinda Ardern the savior of the global Left? – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/jacinda-ardern-savior-global-left/

By Houses and Holes

So says Guardian columnist Van Badham:

As social media birth announcements go, Jacinda Ardern’s handheld Facebook Live of herself and her newborn Neve Te Aroha Ardern Gayford is charming.

New Zealand’s prime minister introduces her new baby with radiant sincerity. She thanks her midwife and the hospital staff for their generous professionalism, and New Zealanders for their kindness and gifts. With a quick cutaway, she even jokes with the baby’s father about his “dad jumper”.

But as a political communication, the video is matchless. In an epoch overcast by growing shadows of reenergised rightwing authoritarianism, Ardern’s public hospital nativity offers a luminous symbolic affirmation of her leadership not just of New Zealand, but of the western electoral left. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- sooty
  
  You talk shit Hughey. I do not agree with you. She’s a media whore and should not be trotting out her baby to gain political points, when she has a half dozen staff to look after it and earns $500 a year. Same as any other mum, I don’t think so.
  
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  July 2, 2018 4:52pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  In an epoch overcast by growing shadows of reenergised rightwing authoritarianism, Ardern’s public hospital nativity offers a luminous symbolic affirmation of her leadership not just of New Zealand, but of the western electoral left
  
  Is this really from the MacroBusiness Australia blog? Don’t they have more important issues to write about instead of cross-posting to trashy columns from The Guardian?
  
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  July 2, 2018 4:59pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I just threw up in my mouth.
  
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  July 2, 2018 5:00pm
- Longknives
  
  “As social media birth announcements go, Jacinda Ardern’s handheld Facebook Live of herself and her newborn Neve Te Aroha Ardern Gayford is charming.”
  
  Really Hugh??
  Because Stuff (Hardcore Left Wing) closed and removed most the comments on this very,very quickly- As 80-90% of them were not very complimentary at all toward your beloved ‘People’s Princess’ whoring her poor Baby to the Media…
  
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  July 2, 2018 5:01pm
  - Philview
    
    I did see an article on Stuff slagging her off for including Gayford’s surname.
    
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    July 2, 2018 5:18pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Read the entire MB article … and note the tone of the comments on the thread.
      
      The NZ Labour Party and PM Ardern will not be happy with this MB article … responding to the rot in The Guardian.
      
      MacroBusiness Australia is of the Left.
      
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      July 2, 2018 5:48pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Auckland’s middle class plummeting down property ladder | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105169816/aucklands-middle-class-plummeting-down-property-ladder
        
        Auckland’s middle class have seen a huge drop in their ability to own the home of their choice.
        
        Auckland Council has released a report Who can buy Auckland’s houses analyses housing affordability at 10 and 20 per cent deposit rates for different income levels.
        
        David Norman, Chief Economist at Auckland Council says middle class groups in Auckland “actually had it pretty good” in housing terms after the global financial crisis of 2008. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 2, 2018 6:13pm
  - nasska
    
    Have mercy! The last couple of weeks have represented a huge learning curve for the People’s Princess.
    
    Up until Advent Friday she thought a Caesarian section was a building site in Rome. 🙂
    
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    July 2, 2018 6:03pm
    - itstricky
      
      You guys still going on about this? The rest of us have moved on.
      
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      July 2, 2018 6:27pm
      - nasska
        
        Every time the People’s Princess drags the baby into the news expect more of the same itstricky.
        
        Even if we have to put up with the blatant attempts to use the rugrat as a political toy we’re not going to to it in silence.
        
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        July 2, 2018 6:32pm
DigNap15

Here is a quote from Kelvin Davis’ profile on the Labour Party’s website

He has common sense and pragmatism who is able to relate across all sectors of society, but is most at home either fishing or up in the bush of his beloved Karetu Valley.

Can you spot the two errors?
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July 2, 2018 5:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Errors?
  You must be mistaken…. didn’t you read the first sentence of his Labour CV?
  
  This is the man that can make students achieve beyond their potential.
  
  https://www.labour.org.nz/kelvindavis
  
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  July 2, 2018 6:50pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  what the fuck. Did he write this or was it Chris Hipkins (the moron who never learned).
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:13pm
- Doubledimp
  
  Well, his wife’s name is Moira so Karetu Valley must be his girlfriend. (Those labour politicians, always with the bit-on-the-side; Cunliffe, Lange, any others I forgot).
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:42pm
DigNap15

Ha
Retailers think they are being taken for a ride by the banks over paywave fees.
They can’t understand why the rates are higher here than in the UK or Australia
I can’t understand why our retail prices are higher than just about anywhere in the world.
How about some transparancy here!
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July 2, 2018 6:05pm
holysheet

Mrs Holy and I were talking and I called her my chickybabe. She said thats nice but what does it mean.
I duckduckgo ed the term and this came up

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/m/a/4/8/2/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1mczoi.png/1508307133986.jpg

I am deflated to think I used a term of endearment and this shocker came up.
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July 2, 2018 6:22pm
- nasska
  
  I don’t wonder……that’s a photo of a laid out old boiler! 🙂
  
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  July 2, 2018 6:25pm
  - holysheet
    
    Now you’re being far too generous.
    
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    July 2, 2018 6:30pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    More of a well boiled old hoover.
    
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    July 2, 2018 8:16pm
- Longknives
  
  Christ! Those Gnashers are about the same size as bloody Stonehenge..
  
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  July 2, 2018 6:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why can’t we have a proper nice female as prime minister, like Judith Collins.
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=judith+collins&rlz=1C1GCEA_enNZ767NZ767&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimoZe_-P_bAhVCvbwKHcdZAYsQ_AUICigB&biw=1093&bih=508#imgrc=YN8VYdsNS2Hk0M:
  
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  July 2, 2018 7:57pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  That should have a warning before opening the link.
  
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  July 2, 2018 8:14pm
noskire

Jordan Peterson on homosexuals raising children
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July 2, 2018 6:59pm
- realityczech
  
  I am about as liberal as it is possible to be when it comes to what homos choose to do to each other.
  
  But there is no way in hell I agree with them having kids. I know all the counter arguments and they have failed to convince me otherwise.
  
  Nature agrees with me 100%.
  
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  July 2, 2018 7:19pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Who is this ‘Nature’ person you agree with?
    
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    July 2, 2018 7:54pm
    - holysheet
      
      “No balls” Jimmy 2 mums, is your example of what happens when gays raise a child.
      
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      July 2, 2018 7:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      Shut up milky this a safe-space for straight people.
      
      We all know how you Labour people are with kids.
      
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      July 2, 2018 8:04pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Snowflake Kea is easily triggered this evening.
        
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        July 2, 2018 8:10pm
rightoverlabour

cmm, can you write some code that we can use as a google app that automatically downticks idiots like ztev, stephieboy and mikenmildagain. As we open kiwiblog we could run the app, and save time having to downtick these idiots. Once 30 have done the necessary, the blog would be a lot easier to peruse.
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July 2, 2018 8:23pm
- DigNap15
  
  Or the owner of the blog could give them a warning.
  
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  July 2, 2018 9:12pm
EAD_TWO

Great game this morning – 10 minutes to go and it’s 2-2 in the Belgium vs. Japan match.

Come on Japan❗???️?????
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- mikenmildagain
  
  3-2. Sad!
  Though it was only right that EAdolf should support Japan – Hitler’s allies in the war.
  Never mind, there were plenty of Belgian collaborators, too.
  
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