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Captain Mainwaring

Stupidboy goes into a bar in West Virginia and orders a white wine.
Three locals eye him up and down and one says “Where you from, boy?”
“I’m from New Zealand” says our hero.
“Noo Zeeland eh, whaddaya do for a living?”
“I’m a taxidermist.”
“What? You a taxi driver or something?”
“No, I mount animals.”
“It’s OK boys, he’s one of us.”
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July 26, 2018 8:01am
- secondcumming
  
  This could be a bit of ‘stupidboy’, Capt’n…….. 🙂
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhbewOpX0AI1lNV.jpg
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:11am
- thedavincimode
  
  No, that’s not the way it started as I recall. It went something like:
  
  Stupidboy goes into a childcare centre …
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:21am
KiWombat

Despite the adverse cost of living, has anybody noticed how popular it remains !
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July 26, 2018 8:01am
Steve (North Shore)

Trev and Mike, wake up, we want your opinion on everything today
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July 26, 2018 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Again and again and please bring on the pinhead dancing squirrels
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:08am
KiWombat

Message on my computer earlier this morning:-

Error – no keyboard – press F1 to continue

Ralph must have been here already !
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July 26, 2018 8:04am
igm

So the poor employer has to pay for some bint’s poor choice of bed partner. This CoL has fucked NZ employer/staff relations beyond redemption.
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July 26, 2018 8:04am
- DigNap15
  
  And the COL wonder why business confidence is falling. And continues to fall.
  I hope it drops right out of the sky and really wakes them up.
  But they don’t care, they’ll juts tax us some more so they can give it away to other losers.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:10am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It’s in human nature not to react to crises until it is too late.
    Ask people how they went bankrupt, and most will say, “Slowly at first, but then, very quickly.”
    The same scenario could play out for many New Zealanders if there is a recession and/or the economic immigrants stop flooding in. Nothing will seem to change for a very long time, and then, things will change very quickly once the tipping point is reached.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:39am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      You mean NZ hasn’t passed the tipping point yet ?
      Imagine Japan with 30-50% non-Japanese.
      There’s your tipping point brother – and it keeps on tipping and tipping in NZ.
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:50am
      - hullkiwi
        
        That’s exactly what the colonial sugar farming interests did in Fiji and Natal. They imported a ready supply of Labour plus families from India. The results, Fiji and became a minority in their own country & Natal had a significantly non-African population (white and Asian) versus local Zulu. Much the same as happened here in the 19th century.
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:02am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Left Right and Centre,
        “Imagine Japan with 30-50% non-Japanese.”
        
        (The images this creates in my mind constitutes cruel and unusual punishment…)
        
        Noooooo! Make it stop!
        
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        July 26, 2018 10:45am
- Colinxy
  
  Socialists are always generous with other people’s money.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:25am
  - backster
    
    But not as generous as Winston First.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:27am
- Philview
  
  I was thinking the same thing about employers footing the bill. This poses a lot of questions about different scenarios such as the abuse victim staying with the abusing partner, taking time off work and staying home with the abuser. Perhaps someone could just take a day off and use the excuse I was abused last night.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:26am
  - ex-golfer
    
    There are a lot of ramifications in this.
    Employers being advised of domestic abuse then face a possible consequence of having a duty of care to report the issue to authorities.
    If it is then found that the “victim” had not even been to the police, they might find their employment somewhat jeopardized.
    
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    July 26, 2018 1:56pm
  - igm
    
    The long term scenario is women have become totally unemployable . . . through no fault of their own.
    
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    July 26, 2018 4:25pm
- Fletch
  
  We even made it to Daily Caller –
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/25/new-zealand-domestic-abuse-paid-leave/
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Interesting concept this.
  Since close to 80% of employees work for a small company (believe the definition is 5 employees or less, in NZ)
  and if 1 employee is give this in a small company.
  Would the larger companies be keen, if 20% of their workforce took advantage of this?
  
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  July 27, 2018 9:45am
ztev

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Guess who was last seen heading off into last night sunset…… muttering ‘weel be back’
Free Speech Coalition

Oh and they have to pay Councils costs as their poorly written affidavits were withdrawn.

The Rabble have been seen off
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July 26, 2018 8:05am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thank you DPF for allowing incurable fuckwits to exercise their free speech on your blog.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:09am
  - oldpark
    
    @CW
    Think the parolee Ztev out of Jail for nefarious actitivies is putting the boot into DPF again. Certainly a bloody insult and belittling to the blog site owner.Whats going on.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:24am
    - ztev
      
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      Silly old fool…vicpark that is.
      DPF isnt one of ‘the backers’ of the FSC…..hehehehe
      
      “Donnell …., and instead smears me who not only isn’t a member, but I haven’t even donated a cent to the FSC. ”
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/the_smear_off_strikes_again.html
      
      DPF of course is a well known champion of free speech on his blog, for which we are grateful
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:39am
- Lance
  
  zetv’s checklist
  1. Ray Avery character assassinated – check
  2. Killed free speech – check
  3. Fucked over Taranaki so locals will become benefit dependent – check
  4. Killed charter schools (can’t have those under achieving Maori thinking for themselves) – check
  5. Planted lots of tress… bugger
  5. Built lots of houses… mutter… it’s all Nationals fault
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  July 26, 2018 8:10am
  - ztev
    
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    Well Avery didnt bloody invent anything….
    
    And been saying every year for the last couple of years… another ~~$1 mill $2 mill~~ $4 mill it will be ~~finishing development finishing certification~~ going into production.
    Anyway now look at my muesli bar..
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:15am
    - Lance
      
      WTF?
      That’s not happening now you twisted leftist arsehole.
      There is no depth you scum will not plunge to is there?
      The backstabbing initiated by Helen Clark and aided and abetted by some sacked halfwit technician (who designed shower heads) over 6 years ago is not a Neutron Bomb.
      Vile vile vile
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:28am
      - ztev
        
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        Just another couple of $ mill…
        
        The nasty ness started when Averys backers used his PR company to launch a media attack on Clark
        She just submitted to the Consent application in her neighborhood without any publicity.
        
        Then investigative journalists started looking into some peoples claims about ‘their inventions’
        
        maybe he didnt invent anything, but being involved made it happen….. well thats not happened either
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:45am
      - Lance
        
        WTF are you banging on about inventing it for???
        I am sure such accolades mean nothing to Sir Ray.
        You can’t buy one like it in the same price range.
        
        Face it ztev, you and the other Labour lackeys at TVone News have plumbed the depths on this.
        
        Just filth
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:41am
      - ztev
        
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        read the full story at newsroom.co.nz
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/24/164363/the-ray-avery-story-main-points
        
        “Stuff.co.nz in February 2010 reported Avery’s citation for New Zealander of the Year, noting the 30 million figure and the award’s claim Avery had “developed” the actual intraocular lenses which the Hollows Foundation has used to such
        great effect. However the lens was invented decades before he worked at Hollows, by a UK scientist.”
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/23/164199/the-boosters-ray-avery-in-the-media?preview=1
        
        A legend in his own luchtime as everything seems to be exaggerated.like this
        “August 2016, Avery’s own Medicine Mondiale website posted a piece from its project manager Andrew Sinclair, saying work had begun producing the LifePod
        and again
        Avery saying: “After seven years, the incubator is now in production in India.”
        
        But its a great idea that 3rd world hospitals are clamouring for right!
        Well maybe not
        “Newsroom asked to speak to hospitals or administrators who were keen to use the devices, but was told it would cut across an exclusive TV production deal..
        
        oh … I see… a ‘deal’…makes perfect sense.
        
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        July 26, 2018 10:40am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Heard auntie helen on the radio yesterday.
        “Now we can concentrate on a discussion about a CBD stadium.”
        Was this her aim all along?
        To screw up Eden Park and get attention for goofy’s white elephant project and therefore get NZ taxpayers to pay for it, so Aucklanders don’t vote his incompetent ass out?
        
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        July 27, 2018 9:50am
- starboard
  
  “Fap Fap Fap Fap Fap Fap” goes the ztev”..
  “Oodle oodle oodle oodle oodle” goes the ztev”..
  “Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo” goes the ztev..
  “BOOM”! ! …………….
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:10am
  - ztev
    
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    We won , you lost eat that
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:16am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      That’s the best you can do?
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:19am
      - G152
        
        It’s all he has and then its been said before.
        Question..
        Why is he not over at the Standard entertaining them with his ‘me too’ ??
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:27am
      - ztev
        
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        Well thats ‘all the debate’ youre going to get…..hehehehe
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:46am
      - KiWombat
        
        Save your breath – you’ll need it to blow up your date !
        
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        July 26, 2018 10:00am
      - Garbageman
        
        Ignore the cunt all he is here for is to troll & piss people off its how fucktards get their jollys he he he ha ha ha fucking sad old lonely spaz that adds absolutely zilch to this blog
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:02pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Trev , stop repeating yourself you fucking googling maniac.
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:26am
    - stephen2d
      
      .
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:05am
- KevOB
  
  As have you.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:21am
- Colinxy
  
  ztev, you seem to specialise in naivety. You do realise that at some point, the boot will be on the other foot?
  
  Just look at the recent James Gunn firing. The same tactic James Gunn used (digging up old tweets to make Ben Shapiro look bad), got used against him. Now he was fired.
  
  If you are for this type of tactic (“local” government opposition to free speech) then don’t complain when the selfsame tactic is used against your favourites.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:22am
  - ztev
    
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    Ask Hager about the boot being on the other foot….difference is he won all his legal recourse against the police trying to shut him down.
    
    FSC – Amateurs who had no case
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:48am
    - Colinxy
      
      So you oppose free speech. Don’t complain when your free speech is ever curtailed. What comes around, goes around.
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:50am
      - Inandout
        
        Ztev is what they name a ‘useful fool’, used until they are discarded.
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:02am
      - ztev
        
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        Im just here ,when the time comes, to be able to point out those to be sent to the camps…hahahahaa
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:07am
      - Colinxy
        
        And, if it flips to the authoritarian right instead ztev?
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:33am
      - igm
        
        Trev first in the queue to hear Communist-loving treasonous bitch Fonda being feted by Auckland City Council at Aotea Centre. This disgusting piece of human refuse and Goff have a lot in common having both been abusive verbally and physically to soldiers returning home from war against stinking bloody Communists. Sad to find the need to turn Hosking off this morning but am very disappointed in him giving that bitch airspace. Cancelled advertising will follow.
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:49am
      - sooty
        
        We know what camps you go to zit. The Labour sex camps for the perverted.
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:25am
      - Paulus
        
        Do you oppose the visit of Hanoi Jane Fonda as I understand she is to visit shortly – being part of her world wide virulently anti Trump speeches.
        Will she also visit with the scum, now Mayor in continuing to condemn the troops having been in Vietnam ?
        Who will pay her here ?
        
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        July 26, 2018 1:57pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        @igm – so are you saying you do not support free speech?
        
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        July 26, 2018 2:03pm
    - igm
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:56am
  - dime
    
    Colinxy – like when Obama was in power and acting like an Emperor. fuck all going through Congress, just executive orders.. it was awesome!
    
    Then Trump came in and reversed Obamas legacy in a few months with the stroke of a pen and it was just the end of the world! so unfair!
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:17am
    - Colinxy
      
      Yes, and the extra-dense people, like ztev, cannot fathom what goes around, comes around.
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:43am
- Harkman
  
  Hey team ztev, I can’t wait for a proper non-socialist government to come in and make the lefty protesters abide by the RMA for once and get resource consent to hold their dopey protests.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:59am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I wouldnt be so smug. Wait until you are stopped saying what you honestly believe. It will happen. Look at history. At some point you will say something and be either shut down at best or suffer even a worst fate.
  
  Never say never. Remember your free speech is others hate speech.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:16am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Just for any avoidance of doubt my previous post was aimed at Ztev.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:17am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Southern and Molyneux have cancelled their speaking tour in NZ. They are still intending to visit NZ to do other things.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:25am
    - igm
      
      I have a spare paddock close to a city they are welcome to use. Maybe could even put a nice fiery Jersey bull on the drive to keep away scummy protesters.
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:53am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Bar of soap might save you the effort and any damage to the bull when trampling the antifa scum
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:24pm
    - Longknives
      
      She can stay at my place!
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:35am
      - stephen2d
        
        Mine too 🙂
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:08am
      - MH
        
        I think they are going to a high country run somewhere in the sth Island, once compensation has been paid over the easement…
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      waikatogirl, no doubt you will find a cow paddock for them to sharpen up their throwing dung practice?
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:29pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        sb, the Waikato is a big place and we don’t all live on farms. ? ? ?
        
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        July 26, 2018 1:56pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Lying again ztev? All that has been withdrawn is the petition for an urgent hearing. The substantive action against Goff et al will still proceed.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:18am
  - ztev
    
    Didnt the FSC claim victory against Goff ? Why not proceed now
    
    Oh ..I get it now…they need more money..figures as a cash cow always needs milking
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:10pm
    - igm
      
      FSC are not short of money, but nor is Slimey Goof, as once again he is stripping ratepayers, just as he did taxpayers. Like you Trev, he is a gutless left-wing wimp.
      
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      July 26, 2018 1:11pm
- Nermal
  
  I sometimes suspect ztev and stephieboy are on the KB payroll, as between them they seem to generate almost half the discussion on any topic.
  
  The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, but then many of the posters here are codependents. Hence the “Where’s ztev/stephie?” when they’re late turning up
  
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  July 26, 2018 1:57pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nah, it because we can call someone a fucking cunt and a goat shagger without our conscience being perturbed too much. For the most part civil debate ensues with the rest of the contributors from both sides. These allow a bit of offloading of pent-up frustrations…
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:41pm
Albert_Ross

Anybody else think “Start something that can’t be stopped ” is remarkably unpersuasive in the context of an advertisement for a car?
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July 26, 2018 8:07am
- Lance
  
  Windows 3 was launched to the tune of “Start Me Up” including the words “you make a grown man cry”
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:12am
  - DigNap15
    
    I think that was Windows 95.
    Windows 3.00 was a non event, 3.11 got things going.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:27am
    - Lance
      
      Fair enough… rusty memories
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:30am
    - dime
      
      pretty sure the stones were paid 20 million for the song too.
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:17am
      - Longknives
        
        Mick and Keef doing okay-
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com.au/richest-musicians-in-britain-2018-sunday-times-rich-list-2018-5?r=UK&IR=T
        
        250 odd million pounds each should keep the wolf from the door- Wonder what they pay Mick Taylor these days? (Poor guy was almost broke when he reunited with them)
        
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        July 26, 2018 10:39am
    - Ed Snack
      
      There was a Windows 1.0, and I think a briefly released 2.0. I had a copy of 3.01 which was buggy, and 3.10 which almost worked, then finally 3.11 which was usable. There was also an improved version 3.12 before W95 took off.
      
      Amusing coincidence on numbered versions, at a similar time the Novell network OS was undergoing various revisions, and the first really stable and popular versions were 3.11 and then 3.12; followed by their directory enabled version 4 of which the stable versions were 4.11 and 4.12.
      
      Still took many years for the common software platform to match the original commercial GUI with mouse system released with the Apple Lisa. I know that the Xerox Star system preceded the Lisa but although released it was never distributed in anything other than token quantities. The Lisa was way too expensive but Apple did sell tens of thousands of them (about 100K in total) and they were incredibly good given the hardware limitations of the time (CPU was a Motorola 68000 at 5 Mhz).
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:06am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Tears of joy they hoped ?
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  If that vehicle is a New Zealand manufactured CoL running the country towards a recession, then I believe the answer is yes.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:13am
  - ztev
    
    Hows that $7 bill they put into the Cullen Fund…worth over $40 bill now
    
    net borrowing in 2008 was 5% of GDP, in 2017 it was over 20% – even more if you ‘dont count’ the Cullen Fund as an asset
    
    One party calls it a rock star economy and leaves with $80 bill of debt, another one ‘ended in the GFC’ yet managed to reduce debt to 5% AND plant some seeds for a mighty oak to grow.
    
    Couldnt Bill have saved ‘something ‘ in the last 5 years ?
    Oh well, now he has that job at Bunnings, just goes to show he can make it in the real world !
    Bunnings ??? WTF…is that it
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:06pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Bunnings?
      Right – so being on the board of one of Australia’s largest retail conglomerates equates to Bunnings in your mind.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103540753/bill-english-appointed-as-director-of-wesfarmers
      
      Ex-Labour MP’s of course end up on the dole: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11730603
      
      You are dumber than a sack of hammers.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:07pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Did they make the most $ before or after they got outed for investing in guns and tobacco?
      
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      July 26, 2018 4:09pm
secondcumming

Three Boy Scouts, a lawyer, a priest, and a pilot are in a plane that is about to crash. The pilot says, “Well, we only have 3 parachutes, lets give them to the three Boy Scouts. They are young and have their whole lives ahead of them”. The lawyer yells, “Fuck the Boy Scouts!” The priest says, “Do we have time?”

The NZ Herald reports:

https://twitter.com.nzherald/status/1021933064107307008
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July 26, 2018 8:08am
- DigNap15
  
  That’s a really good joke. Sick, but really funny.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:11am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Would that be ‘no strings attached’ sex ?
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Uh-oh, looking into the future I can see the SJW witch hunters of 2027 assembling with pitchforks, faggots and lighters to come and find you.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:58am
  - ldypen
    
    Are you still allowed to say “Faggot”?
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:01am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      J.R.R Tolkein loved using faggots to describe scenes.
      “The fire burned low. and the last faggot was thrown on.”
      “each of us should carry a faggot”
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:03pm
    - Garbageman
      
      Us politically correct individuals call them a bundle of twigs these days we wouldn’t want to trigger super snowflake Marquess out of its safe space with such nasty words
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:17pm
      - MH
        
        I can smell a witch burning about to take place…
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:49pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      As long as you don’t say you are having a Gay time with Faggotts.. Being a pyromaniac has its down sides
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:36pm
- VicParking
  
  The boy Scout gives the lawyer his Parachute and he jumps. The priest save “What an act of kindness” Fuck the lawyser says the boy Scout I gave him my backpack.
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:14am
DigNap15

I see another article in the Herald about the shortfall in living costs from NZ Super to what you need. (they seem to do one every few months)
And how much you will need to save for your retirement.
It might make some people panic, but there is never any mention of Kiwisaver, which was designed so that people would have a nest egg, as well as maybe a house (or two) and NZ Super.
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July 26, 2018 8:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  It is the same article more or less, just like the current series of pimping the allegedly poor.
  
  The names have been changed to protect the stupid and feckless with the constant being the sperm donor is missing.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:19am
- s.russell
  
  Stuff has the same story, but their headline is much more misleading.
  The real story is a good news one: retired people have extra money on top of their super, and they are living better lives because of it.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:29am
- I Hate Wordpress
  
  Except beneies already get less than super and manage, so, super should be plenty.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:35am
  - jcuk
    
    I know a bene who is looking forward to Nat Sup in two years time …. sad really.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:19am
- VicParking
  
  I had about $3000 (Including the Goverments $1000) when I retired. What nest egg was that.
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:16am
  - ross411
    
    Is there a mountain of crumpled beer cans with your fingerprints on them? A heap of chocolate wrappers? Saved tickets from international trips? Fond memories of lots of different owned vehicles, each traded in, in turn? No idea what nest egg, since there’s no way to account for why you didn’t save.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:29am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    That’s what you have to show for a lifetime’s work? And this is somehow a criticism of the Government?
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:44am
    - VicParking
      
      Albert we were talking about KiwiSaver. Both you and Ross have not got the ability to remember the primary post and just want to bitch. You attack on an individual for the sake of it shows your skills for a job in Fraiser house.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:08pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    VP – Maybe you weren’t in KS for long?
    
    And you’d have only had $2k without our (the govts) contribution!
    
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    July 26, 2018 4:14pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  So happens I received this morning a newsletter from the people managing my retirement savings.
  
  One of their top tips for a rewarding retirement is “Try not to outlive your retirement savings”.
  
  Seems a bit double-edged …
  
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  July 26, 2018 12:30pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    A-R, sounds like marketers speak.
    Had a phone call once from a telemarketer wanting to sell me funeral insurance so I could “liquidate my savings”
    At least that gave me a good laugh before I hung up the phone. Points for creativity.
    
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    July 26, 2018 4:20pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Of course KiwiSaver has only been around for 10 years – so the balances of people now aged 65 would not be that great.
  Not to mention a lot of people reach 65, withdraw the whole KiwiSaver amount and blow it on overseas trips, a new car or a boat, instead of converting it into an annuity to supplement their Super.
  
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  July 26, 2018 2:12pm
Paulus

Is it me or do I understand that there is or be an offer of an agreement between the DHB”s and the Nurses after a number of tries.
I understand that there is no more money despite the original offer via Heather Simpson’s sort out committee being doubled in the beginning.
I heard on RNZ that there are a number of Nurses who are not happy with the unknown conclusion having recently been advised by their Unions that they would “fight to the bitter end” to get what they want.
So has the Unions lied to the Members or has future Government deal been done behind “no minutes” meetings so they can come back again in twelve months or so.
No Nurses have yet voted on the unknown agreement yet – next week – and who will scrutinise the secret results ?
Role on the Teachers whose demand well outsize the Nurses.
“Not on my Watch” – welcome back .
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July 26, 2018 8:16am
- ztev
  
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  Whats your point ?
  That wage negotiations meetings should have minutes taken and then released to public ?
  ……oh I see you have a rash and it hurts…see your doctor
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:19am
  - KevOB
    
    Minutes have been abandoned as too incriminating under Currans orders.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:25am
    - softail 1450
      
      KevOB,,don’t rain on trevs parade with facts please.
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:29am
- VicParking
  
  The Nurses Union have said “Except and we will start negotiations in six months for more money” ‘We would start sooner but be have to work on the teachers strikes and the PSA demands in between’
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:38am
  - doggone7
    
    Just to put anyone right who didn’t hear an interview where some of those things were mentioned: the comment is satire, fantasy.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:10am
    - VicParking
      
      Only in your mind Dogger
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:18am
- Colville
  
  Paulus.
  The offer that came back yesterday from NZNO is basically the same as thge last one that was rejected before the strike.
  There were two minor changes offered, one being that a salary “step” was brought forward by a couple of months (its still 2 years away) and the other being that they will set up some quango to look at staffing levels.
  That is it.
  And for that the NZNO “strongly recommends” that members accept the offer.
  The NZNO is so in the pocket of the Govt its just not funny.
  
  The whole pay rise thing is bullshit, its 3% a year and inflation is going to be about that so its a zero rise in real terms.
  
  *My partner is a senior midwife so I get to hear about this, like it of not ! 🙂
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:50am
  - ztev
    
    The previous offer was recommended by the NZNO too…
    
    And your good wife… $95k is her pay for his/her valuable work ?
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:10am
    - Colville
      
      ztev
      $95K ?? not in her wildest dreams
      $72K is top of scale … where would the other 23k come from?
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:42pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    On Morning Report they were reading out some the posts on the Nurse’s Facebook page. They did sound like they were going to accept the new offer. Also, Espiner in his interview questioned whether the negotiating team were listening to their members.
    
    It sounds like with the help of the CoL the Nurse’s leadership are not representing their members’ wishes. If, they know what is best for themselves they will seek a speedy reconciliation with their members, else the government will destroy the union & make it harder to negotiate in the future.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:18am
    - stephieboy
      
      hullkiwi, it “seems”, it “sounds” like” ?
      
      Only two ” factual” details?
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:45am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Stephanie, go listen to RNZ playback of Morning Report and then look at the Facebook page. After all isn’t that what you are paid to do. Research & troll?
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:40pm
- rockape
  
  The unions have not yet informed nurses of the agreement despite promising to do so by yesterday evening. Makes me think its a dodgy deal. The feeling among nurses according to my nurse wife is that despite the unions recommending the agreement nurses may vote against it. They did for all the other agreements NZNO recommended this pay round. Seems their militancy is increasing with time.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:42am
oldpark

Not so long ago there were a couple of news headlines. They ran like this. Who would be a “landlord” or an “oil or gas” exploration business in NZ .Both have been visciously attacked by the Peters selected gang of no hopers.
Now the latest mad dog scheme up for exploitation.
A new law rushed throught Parliament last night.
Who would be an employer or the owner of a small business. They, thanks to the Peters selected gang of no hopers have voted to make the businesses and employers liable for someting they have no cotrol over. Domestic violence and hurty feelings suffered by their staff off the job.Ten days extra pay and more flexible hours on top of all the other employee benefits. Who the hell would be an employer or a business owner.
To think that the Peters Party in bed with the Greens and Liebour have aided and abetted such a devasting finacial penalty on innocent employers and small business is just another step on the destruction and well being of NZs way of life.

The self styled dictator Peters is culpable in every facet of the down turn and decision by sicko mad dog Greens and Liebour. In fact nothing happens in our economy and decision making before it is run past Peters. What a bloody abomination.
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July 26, 2018 8:18am
- ztev
  
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  What law passed last night… nightmares again was it ?
  
  National supported the bill at first reading – with many of its MPs saying during the debate how proud they were to be backing it.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:23am
  - oldpark
    
    @ztev.
    Time you went back to prison you’re home detention has expired ,you will just have to once more CYA, serves you right . Especially since earlier in todays blog you put the boot into DPF.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:36am
  - KiWombat
    
    It may well be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others !
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:05am
- DigNap15
  
  People who voted for NZF knew what was coming.
  National needed to run a bedda campaign
  Just a few thousand extra votes here and there would have done it
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:25am
  - ztev
    
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    Still dreaming are you .
    The actual number was 155,000 votes between Coaltion and national
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:28am
    - rangitoto
      
      Only needed enough to put NZF under 5%
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:35am
      - Paulus
        
        Forget NZF 5% level – they will not get but Shane Jones is buying a Northland seat with our Billions so that will see them above all lines and back in the left Coalition.
        
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        July 26, 2018 2:04pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Weve just finished discussing it. Even the female members of my leadership team agreed: it will make employers think twice about hiring women; where there is an almost even contest between a bloke and a woman, that is a kicker.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:26am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Ah, the law of unintended consequences.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:50am
    - sooty
      
      Can males use the ten days after getting the bash?
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:32am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Yes, and it doesn’t have to be the bash.
        If someone says something at home that gives a bloke hurts feels he gets ten days off too.
        
        Is there a limit to how many times it can be claimed? And is leaving the relationship compulsory?
        
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        July 26, 2018 4:28pm
- Debbie
  
  Few years back, when I was going thru some dv issues, I needed time off (medical, then later court appearances etc)
  
  My employers were actually wonderful about it, however that time off came out of my sick leave (I was in hospital after all) and annual leave entitlements. Luckily for me I had a fair bit accrued.
  
  I was very grateful for the support; however if I’d been taking additional “domestic violence leave” over and above the standard annual leave that everyone was entitled to, I think my colleagues would’ve run out of sympathy very quickly, let alone my employers.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:09am
hullkiwi

A few months ago Wayne Mapp posted a piece about the worrying trend under the CoL of government by unelected lobby groups.

Over the past two days we have been given two examples.

1. Auckland’s CRL – the Transport Blog editor writes about his concerns, amazingly 24 hours later Goofy offers up exactly what the Blog wanted. To compound the culusion Goofy even used the blog editor’s exaggerated numbers. You can read this at http://www.greaterauckland.org.nz

And then you get:
2. Sage and the Hunter Valley stausch. Here we have a legal and negotiated purchase. The deal struck early last year clearly was not to the liking of the Walking Commission and the Federated Mountain Clubs, so they lobby Sage and what do we get – Sage threatening the leaseholder with negotiations to get her way. Plus playing politics with a decision of ministers based on official recommendations.

NZ, with government like this, be scared, be very scared.
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July 26, 2018 8:20am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Public Transport/Central planning zealots as a block can deliver a lot of votes to an embattled mayor like Goff.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:44am
  - hullkiwi
    
    True UNC. Although small in number, these people are having influence way greater than they should. Second people read their material & are taken in by it and ignore factors like:
    1. Cost v benefits;
    2. Who pays for it;
    3. Who is served by such projects;
    4. How long will it take to deliver; and
    5. How does what will be provided actually equate to what is required?
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:49pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Update re council has voted through the proposals to expand two stations based on the say so of the Transport Blog. No business case, no due diligence nothing….
  
  This is hundreds of millions of dollars on the basis of the say so of a lobby group working together with a few well placed Green planners. So much for accountability. This is scary stuff!
  
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  July 26, 2018 7:15pm
DigNap15

This latest employment law, will put people off being in business, or may encourage them to hire more men!
We have far too many days off as it is.
No wonder we have low productividy.
Watch Business Confidence fall again!
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July 26, 2018 8:23am
- KevOB
  
  It concerns me. Instead of permanent employment I am going to have to consider offering piecework. Small businesses have to live too.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:30am
  - KevOB
    
    Why is the comment editor not working?
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:31am
    - ztev
      
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      Blame Goff!
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:50am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Why not your default answer Z, the last government?
        
        Worn that one out?
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:06am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Out in sympathy with the nurses, IRD and every other organisation not striking under the tooth fairys ‘watch’
      
      Shit, I would hate to see what it would be like if she wasn’t watching!
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:00am
- ztev
  
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  At the first reading ” nationals MP saying during the debate how proud they were to be backing it.”
  
  Then the people who really run the National party called Simon to a meeting and laid down the law, so something they were all for became something they were afraid of scaring big donors
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:33am
  - Colinxy
    
    You really are bizarre. You’ll find that many commentators have decried National as being a left wing party. Why do you pretend that anyone on the right would approve of National’s leftwing leanings?
    
    At least someone in National is able to pull them out of being complete socialists.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:47am
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      Thats where the votes are …in the middle
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:51am
      - Colinxy
        
        And the middle is not the hard left (socialism). You really are quite dense, aren’t you? Or perhaps you really do like spending other people’s money and cannot see anything wrong with your own biases.
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:27am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Depend where your middle is ztev.
        
        By the way, where is my apology you owe me for being completely wrong about the contracts signed for Waikeria?
        
        Did your mates in the Labour research team give you some misinformation?
        
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        July 26, 2018 10:44am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Will you be off to work soon ztev or off to walk the dog or weed the garden or deliver meals on wheels or do the grocery shopping or one of the other life fulfilling activities that most of us engage in? Or are you to spend your useless and boring day typing your inexhaustible series of dreary rants here on KB? What a dreary life you must lead.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:57am
VicParking

Simon Bridges pushing Nationals own Cannabis bill yesterday during question time was slapped down by Winston and made Simon look like he was standing there with two snapper in his hands. You only had to look at the faces of his back benches to see he was floundering. Joyce looked like he wished he could slide under his desk. His commanding all the supplimentary questions is stopping his other members from putting the boot in. Shane Reti should have been allowed to drive this legistation in the house.
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July 26, 2018 8:25am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I thought Joyce had resigned??
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:41am
  - VicParking
    
    Sorry should have said Gerry Brownlee. Fat White males look all the same to me
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:48am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      https://www.specsavers.co.nz/
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:59am
- ztev
  
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  Shane Retis bill has to go into the ballot…after 6 years Reti has appeared out of obscurity…..
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:03am
  - GazzaW
    
    Shane Reti is a fine electorate MP ztev.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:17am
    - Nermal
      
      I disagree. He never replied to my questions relating to the non-deportation of ~~the~~ a Muslim pedophile so missed out on my two ticks
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:04pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Mahuta has presented how many bills in the last twenty years Z?
    
    You know, the thick one. Sorry, too hard to differentiate there with so many to choose from. The one who said defacing her chin with a permanent brio, was her proudest moment as an MP, that particular specimen of thick.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:36pm
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Fake news: girls in Saudi Arabia will be beheaded for dancing with boys

Don’t listen to the fake news that a group of girls in Saudi Arabia will be killed for dancing at a birthday party.

“Saudi Arabia to Behead 6 School Girls for Being With Their Male Friends Without Parents or a Guardian,” stated the headline on religionmind.com on Oct. 23.
That’s not true.

We found the story after Facebook users flagged the post as being potentially fabricated, as part of the social network’s efforts to combat fake news. Religionmind.com is a fake news website about various religions.

We attempted to contact someone at the website but did not get a reply. The “about” section of the website states that it tries to keep the content correct, “yet we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability … .”

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/nov/29/religionmindcom/fake-news-girls-saudi-arabia-will-be-beheaded-danc/

Hands up gullible Trumpeters and Alt righters who were suckered in by the above piece of fake news?
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July 26, 2018 8:33am
- VicParking
  
  No they are only going to get ninety lashes and be forced to have genital mutilation.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Acid will keep their futures in check, just wear a burka when out in public so the scars are covered, and marry that 70 yr old; he is half bind anyway. Allah is now happy.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:06am
- Nukuleka
  
  Thanks for drawing our attention to a news item that few of us would otherwise have read. Keep up the good work Steffi.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:59am
- KevOB
  
  The truth now only emerges months after the event. It takes several informative reports from diverse sources to even approximate what is likely. Any channel adds bias or distortion. If they say they are reviewing it for truthfulness avoid them as they are seeing what they transmit agrees with their views and will be modified or suppressed accordingly.
  Sometimes the best sources may be RT or press.tv which can give a refreshingly different view on other nation’s affairs. The BBC has long been a stranger to truth.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:03am
- Harkman
  
  “Hands up gullible Trumpeters and Alt righters who were suckered in by the above piece of fake news?”
  
  You were the only one here that read it, so who’s the gullible one?
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:03am
Debbie

From the WTF files this morning:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12095468

So now, if someone agrees to have sex with you,and you don’t actually have the right “equipment”, you can later get charged with rape for just pretending to have sex with them.
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July 26, 2018 8:37am
- VicParking
  
  Bugger I’d better hide my bike pump.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:45am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Two women couldn’t work out he didn’t have a penis ? Morons. Numbnuts.
  Thanks for the WTF files – brilliant.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:23am
- DJ Ward
  
  NZ legislation allows the same charge, under the terms Nature and quality.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:24am
- Psycho Milt
  
  …you can later get charged with rape for just pretending to have sex with them.
  
  Er, no. You can later get charged with sexual assault for inserting unknown objects into their vaginas without their consent. Are you in some kind of disagreement with that being an offence?
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:29am
  - Debbie
    
    Quite frankly if any potential sexual partner was that determined to not let me see, or even touch their penis, I’d refuse to sleep with them at all.
    
    For all I’d know, they’re covered in infectious sores. No thanks.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:00am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Fortunately, “Well the victim shouldn’t have been so gullible” isn’t accepted as a valid defence against criminal charges.
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:39am
    - VicParking
      
      That Rules Stephie out as a partner.
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:24am
- Fletch
  
  Also, the guy who sexually assaulted a woman in an alleyway last year and got only a slap on the wrist wants his conviction overturned because he was only looking for “outercourse” with the victim, not intercourse. WTF?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12095243
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:45am
  - RF
    
    Fletch.
    
    In my youth it was called a dry hump to test the water. If it was reciprocated you were in with a chance..
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:28pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The victim was unconscious.
      Not a lot of reciprocation expected.
      I think this pervert likes to see his name in the paper.
      
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      July 26, 2018 4:38pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  You got to be joking? The mind boggles at the details. How bad was the sex that they couldn’t work out it wasn’t a real dick? How do you have a relationship and not discover “he” has no penis? They fucken deserve one another. Twats.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:30pm
secondcumming

Coming to a town near you…..

Germany: Migrant confesses to sexually assaulting at least 13 women….

Says : “Nobody told me this is wrong. In Egypt this happens all the time and they do not punish them”

https://twitter.com/Infowars_EU/status/1022170304754331648
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- stephieboy
  
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  secondcumming, the Alex Jones Infowars lunacy spreads to Europe ,
  
  Fake news: girls in Saudi Arabia will be beheaded for dancing with boys
  
  Don’t listen to the fake news that a group of girls in Saudi Arabia will be killed for dancing at a birthday party.
  
  “Saudi Arabia to Behead 6 School Girls for Being With Their Male Friends Without Parents or a Guardian,” stated the headline on religionmind.com on Oct. 23.
  That’s not true.
  
  We found the story after Facebook users flagged the post as being potentially fabricated, as part of the social network’s efforts to combat fake news. Religionmind.com is a fake news website about various religions.
  
  We attempted to contact someone at the website but did not get a reply. The “about” section of the website states that it tries to keep the content correct, “yet we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability … .”
  
  https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/nov/29/religionmindcom/fake-news-girls-saudi-arabia-will-be-beheaded-danc/
  
  Sigh!
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:46am
  - KevOB
    
    Who knows what the situation is?
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:08am
  - simpleton1
    
    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1148811/saudi-arabia
    Young lad would have had fun at that party, whoops arrested for dancing at a street intersection. Very dangerous.
    
    https://en.brinkwire.com/news/abu-dhabi-orders-arrest-of-social-media-stars-over-inmyfeelings-dance/
    Rightly so, as very dangerous considering health and safety regulations, and “constitutes a violation of public morals.’”
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-dab-arrest-singer-abdallah-al-shaharani-dance-move-onstage-taif-festival-anti-narcotics-a7885686.html
    Dab dancing, rightly so detained, and now very apologetic. Stirring up narcotic ideas.
    
    It all seems like “lashings” of fun.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:22am
- MCos
  
  If the news on the radio this morning is anything to go by sexual harassment is already here in the Navy with new recruits told that was what to expect.
  Maybe nobody had previously told the blokes this was wrong.
  That’s in addition to the problems at Waiouru
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:22am
  - rangitoto
    
    And Labour party youth camps.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:11am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear Jane Fonda otherwise known as Hanoi Jane? She is coming to Oz and NZ later this year. She will be at ASB Theatre in Auckland.

I doubt is any on the right will demonstrate let alone threaten violence. However, if they did would her venue be cancelled at short notice?
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- stephieboy
  
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  Chuck Bird , trying to compare Jane Fonda to Laurenson and Molyneaux?
  
  Why?
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:50am
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    Its Lauren Southern…. who wanted to cause chaos ( her words) while Jane just wants old people to be more active…because they are worth it…or something
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:54am
    - KevOB
      
      who wanted to cause chaos
      
      And Jane Fonda did not in her youth?
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:11am
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        Fonda praised the enemy that killed NZers.
        
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        July 26, 2018 9:30am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Fonda praised the enemy that killed NZers.
        
        More accurately: Fonda didn’t have a problem with Vietnamese killing NZers who’d been sent to Vietnam to kill them. Is there an argument that she should have had a problem with it?
        
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        July 26, 2018 1:13pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Why not Steffi?
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:00am
  - backster
    
    Steph…….True she is Alt Left whereas the others are centre right. ..and her family encouraged pedophiles to rape a 12 year old boy. Seems reason enough to close her down. Stillher dad was a dam good actor
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:50am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  …Jane Fonda otherwise known as Hanoi Jane?
  
  “Known” as Hanoi Jane? Not by anyone under 60, and even among the over-60s, only by a small proportion of the “grumpy old white man” demographic.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:23am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m guessing Chuck was the person who texted Hosking this morning expressing his disgust that he was going to be interviewing “Hanoi Jane”. Until Fonda came on after 8am, I had no idea who “Hanoi Jane” was supposed to be, and I’m a 63yo white man who is often grumpy.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:42am
    - sam green
      
      Chuck Bird = Man of mystery.
      
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      July 26, 2018 3:09pm
  - Fletch
    
    Jane Fonda went on Radio Hanoi and read a prepared message claiming that U.S POWs were not being tortured. It was a lie. Then she had photos of herself messing around on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun.
    
    https://patriotpost.us/pages/80
    
    She has since apologized, but it was still a disgrace. And it did bolster the enemy –
    
    More to the point, in a 1995 interview with The Wall Street Journal, Bui Tin, a communist contemporary of Giap and Ho Chi Minh, who was serving as an NVA colonel assigned to the general staff at the time Saigon fell, had this to say about the Leftmedia and Soviet puppets like “Hanoi” Jane Fonda and John Kerry: “[They were] essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.”
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:51am
    - doggone7
      
      Is there a Guantanamo Bay Jane?
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:14am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable.
      
      Yep, that’s what happens when you conscript unwilling members of your population to fight an unjustifiable war. My recommendation would be to not do that, rather than do it and then whinge about the resulting anti-war movement.
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:48am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I assume the American intelligence services were aware that the North Vietnamese general staff would be listening to world news and would reach conclusions based on what the news told them.
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:54am
    - ztev
      
      She seems to be famous more for what she didnt do.
      yes she did visit Hanoi and supported the North and wanted the bombing stopped.
      
      The stuff about the POWs isnt true
      https://www.truthorfiction.com/hanoijane/
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:54am
    - RF
      
      Fletch.
      
      I was once told by a retired USAF pilot that Fonda is a treacherous bitch.
      
      He claimed that in the late 60s she was visiting north Vietnam and was shown through Hanoi Hilton where downed US pilots were imprisoned. She was taken to a room containing some prisoners to show how well they were being treated. One quietly slipped her a note. Not sure what it contained but obviously it was not to be shared with the guards.
      
      She promptly handed the note to a guard who later beat the crap out of the poor pilot.
      
      Not sure how true this was but the pilot who told me believed it.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:09pm
      - stephen2d
        
        I think McCain is involved in that. Not sure if he slipped the note or one of his colleagues.
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:33pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Phil Goff would remember her well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he arranged a civic tickertape welcome for her.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:25am
  - Longknives
    
    “Known” as Hanoi Jane? Not by anyone under 60..”
    
    Hate to burst your bubble there Milt- But I’m almost two decades away from 60 and I know all about Hanoi Jane!
    Try studying some History- Maybe even reading a book (I know that’s a bit old and uncool) sometime…
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:37am
- tf78
  
  I heard the silly old cow and her Anti-Trump tirade – she’s allowed to use city premises to lecture on her leftie views, but Lauren Southern isn’t allowed into similar premises to speak from a rightie point of view. I’m not feeling the love here.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:37am
  - KevOB
    
    Knowingly allowing criticism of Trump in an Auckland City Council facility makes the ACC complicit in interfering in another nations affairs which may affect NZ’s international relations.
    
    Is ACC biased?
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:46am
  - Fletch
    
    According to an interview she did with Hosking –
    
    “I was hoping that in my dottage, I could maybe do a lot of gardening or painting or something,” she told Hosking.
    
    “But when Trump was elected it was; ‘Oh-ho! Back to the barricades.”
    
    Since then Fonda’s been registering people to vote and canvassing in an attempt to “build grass roots movements” in the lead up to the mid-term election which she says is “one of the most important in our lifetime.”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12095110
    
    Hopeless. I knew people in Hollywood were biased but they have all lost the power of objective thought.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:09am
    - ztev
      
      Why would you be surprised, surely you knew that Clinton got millions more votes than Trump and was the winner of the popular vote.
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I think the phase you use about here is, ‘you lost, we won, suck it up!’
        
        You really are a bellend, that is a phrase from me to you.
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:44pm
      - sam green
        
        Debate lost.
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:12pm
- DJ Ward
  
  It’s Treason to conspire with the enemy.
  
  Considering this mind numbingly absurd Russia probe in the US you would think the left wouldn’t put such individuals on Pedastils.
  
  Apparently all you have to do is threaten a violent protest and Goff will be forced on health and safety ground to cancel the event.
  
  Nah they would welcome such violent protest and ship in new police in riot gear to blood them in. The taxpayer would happily cough up the cash for her free speech rights.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:37am
  - ztev
    
    So its not treason when Trumps campaign staff conspired/colluded with Russia against the democrats.
    Manaforts trial starts next week or so….
    
    Not too different from the main watergate indictments, where Nixon was named as an ‘un indicted co -conspirator’
    
    Oh Donny …what were you thinking….no ones listening..whos going to know.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:00pm
    - Ross12
      
      There must be some new members on the ztev team.
      The charges against Manafort have nothing to do with collusion.
      There was no collusion be the Trump team otherwise Mueller would have had them all in Court months ago.
      The collusion has been very clearly shown to be between the high level bureaucrats, members of the Obama & Clinton team and foreign nationals such as Steele to produce a document containing false information gained from Russians to get a FSIA warrant to enable to spy on the Trump team.
      That makes Watergate look like a “parking ticket” offence.
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:51pm
      - Fletch
        
        Trey Gowdy made the point that if there had been evidence of collusion, Adam Schiff would have leaked it to the media by now….
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:27pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Donny’s Uncle Vlad told Donny there was no collusion, and Donny said he believes his cool uncle. Case closed.
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:50pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      That is not true no matter how many times you say it.
      There is no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign team and Russia, and lord knows the FBI have looked high and low and come up with zip.
      If you have evidence you’d better produce it.
      Rob Mueller would love to hear from you.
      
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      July 26, 2018 4:51pm
- Paulus
  
  Who is paying for her anti Trump screech meeting.
  Goff ?
  
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  July 26, 2018 2:07pm
Left Right and Centre

Charity reports that ‘one in five New Zealand children do not have a bed to sleep in this winter, and are often sharing a bed with more than one other person.’

Makes sense I guess – I mean, they weren’t conceived in a bed . . .
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July 26, 2018 9:10am
- KevOB
  
  A viewpoint being twisted? Children’s bedding is not a good proxy for poverty. It is more a family matter involving ages, siblings, preferences, room sizes, parental concerns, transitional accommodation…
  
  There has to be a poverty concern when a family with three children does not have a 250m2 home with 4 bedrooms, study, 3 bathrooms, swimming pool and two mothers.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:22am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Don’t forget the 3 men, homeless, but working 80 hours a week each paying child support. That will teach them for having sex with a sober Lesbian when they were blind drunk.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:31am
- rangitoto
  
  The fine print is one in five in families on the lowest incomes.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:16am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Its 10 out of 10 in the absolute poorest/homeless. You could shift the goal post to get whatever figure pushes the pram your pushing.
    
    Who would have thought a sympathy, give us more money, cherry picking MSM item would do such a thing.
    
    And children were the mechanism of the act.
    
    Low rent propaganda.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:44am
  - KevOB
    
    Bed sharing by children is common place. With teens it’s bed hopping.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You can get 2 under 5’s in a single bed (at each end) without them even being able to touch each other. That’s a space and resource efficient thing to do, particularly if it lets you sleep more kids in a well heated bedroom. The kids don’t mind at all, have done this when travelling.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:42am
  - DJ Ward
    
    My 2 year old refuses to sleep in his bed. He and I share the couch. The worst part is the little shit snores worse than his mother.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:48am
    - ztev
      
      Super nanny will fix that…. you wear the trousers and he wears the nappys…or is that the other way round
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:43am
      - DJ Ward
        
        Why are you thinking about my son not wearing nappies?
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:47pm
  - backster
    
    Top and tail for the kids used to be quite common when visiting relatives.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:03am
- Ed Snack
  
  It has been debunked, it’s more like 2-3%, and even that is probably an over-estimate and not really related to poverty.
  
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  July 26, 2018 12:19pm
- Nermal
  
  And yet they keep breeding. If we get more animals than we can look after, the council or SPCA intervenes; get more kids and the government rewards them with more benefits and subsidised housing
  
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  July 26, 2018 2:11pm
Philview

I saw the report about Ray Avery on the TVNZ last night. I really start to question our democracy when Ray Avery has words with Helen Clark and then follows a very slanted story attacking the character of Ray Avery.
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July 26, 2018 9:15am
- Harkman
  
  This is what’s happening in the US, if a prominent figure comes out and says anything other than Donald Trump is 110% evil, they get crucified mercilessly. But I warned friends that this “NZer of the year” was a dopey idea.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:28am
  - Philview
    
    The comedian Tim Allen came out in support of Donald Trump and had his show axed a few days later. I can see why people keep their mouths shut.
    I think the Fox Network have picked it up now.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:54am
    - ztev
      
      His ratings were OK so seems strange.
      Roseanne was just a racist bitch, so hard to see why her high rating show was axed at all.
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:27am
      - backster
        
        Yes I enjoy Roseanne (on utube} It is very good and similar to my old favourite “Soap” which I also watch on Utube and it is just as hilarious today as it was over 40 years ago.
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:09am
- ztev
  
  Not at all. Clark submiited her objection with no publicity until Averys PR machine went to work to make a big deal…
  Then people looked into Eden Parks CEO who was a fraudster and Averys PR machine had been making false claims.
  
  Maybe Avery should have said to his PR flacks, dont make a thing about Clark
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:30am
dime

wow Helen Clark doubled down on being a bitter old hag!

a great reminder of what a piece of shit she actually is.

I don’t like chompers, but she’s not as out n out nasty as Clark.

Least Clark still has her looks though
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July 26, 2018 9:22am
- Philview
  
  What is concerning is the amount of power she still seems to have for an ordinary citizen. I say this a bit tongue in cheek but is she NZ’s version of “Deep State”? Governments change, face changes but when Helen says jump, people jump.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    When Helen Clark’s sidekick Heather Simpson is working in Jacinda Ardern’s office in a senior role, you really do have to wonder who is pulling the strings of this government.
    
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    July 26, 2018 9:44am
  - rangitoto
    
    And TVNZ rush to do her bidding.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:18am
  - ztev
    
    What power ? Every person can object when they want to stage 5 concerts a year in their neighborhood.
    Averys PR tricks have been revealed and he has been found ‘lacking in his claims to invent stuff’
    Eden Park CEO has been exposed as a fraudster at a previous job
    
    Just the usual white male privledge expecting to get away with it
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:22am
    - backster
      
      Tzev…Last line you missed out the adjective ‘old’
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:12am
- Longknives
  
  “I don’t like chompers, but she’s not as out n out nasty as Clark”
  
  I disagree there Dime.
  Little Miss ‘Comrades, Comrades, Capitalism has Failed’ Ardern certainly presents better than Helen Clark, (That’s not saying much though- Medusa was easier on the eye than old Hels..)
  But I think she is equally as ruthless and ambitious (Axing our Oil and Gas industry anyone?)
  And I’m told by those in the know her huge smile with those colossal gnashers flashing is strictly for the Media and Public Appearances- Her real persona is rather less pleasant…
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that at the back of the stage Cinderella has a really nasty temper – and she will be back soon.
    
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    July 26, 2018 2:11pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is Helen Clark going to run for the mayoralty of Auckland? (Goff did, after all.)
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:55am
  - Colinxy
    
    I suspect Helen Clark believes the mayoralty of Auckland is beneath her “dignity”.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:52am
- mark15
  
  Not yet she’s not…
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:16am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Looks?
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:59pm
Harkman

CNN is just rubbish, it has become catastrophically hopeless. Their story yesterday included getting Uber Democrat Lanny Davis to comment on a Cohen recording where Trump says “cash” so they call him a “mobster” etc though he can be heard saying “check.” But it got worse I flicked through the news channels last night at about 11PM just to make sure the world hadn’t ended and on CNN they had a lefty “Climate Scientist” stooge rambling on about the heat wave and he tried to pull a fast one, “back in 2003 during the last European heat wave 20,000 died.” Well as I was in France during the summer of 2003 and literally thousands of the deaths were in France because of a) their 35 hour work week and b) most importantly, their TRADE UNION workers in the old folks homes all up and went on holiday, all together at the same time, leaving the elderly literally to die. It was a massive national disaster. The London based panel then discussed this and some commie women, who is as wide as she is high, with a Turkish name, started rambling on about climate change deniers. F#ck me CNN is gone.
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July 26, 2018 9:23am
- secondcumming
  
  RT are reporting that Japan has declared the heatwave they are experiencing a ‘natural disaster’.
  
  To date there have at least 65 deaths reported in the last week, and more than 22,000 taken to hospital suffering from heat stroke, nearly half of them elderly.
  
  In the Nagasaki prefecture, where temperatures in excess of 41C have been recorded, a local resident, 89 year old Mr. Fumihiro Teriyaki, told reporters, “…he couldn’t remember temperatures being hotter than this since August 9, 1945”.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:51am
  - ztev
    
    Excess deaths in winter always exceed the summer ‘excess’
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:18am
    - Ed Snack
      
      For a change ztev gets an uptick from me. He’s quite right that the reduction in deaths from excessive cold will more than outweigh any increase in deaths from excessive heat if the climate continues to warm as it seems to have.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:41pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Today’s bad taste award goes to secondcumming.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:22am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And stupid ztev didn’t even understand what he was saying.
      
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      July 26, 2018 10:23am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Picking a squirrel out of his arse and typing is too much of a multitasking effort
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:50pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    NHK News reports that the heatwave will end next week.
    The heatwave and countermeasures for people to take have certainly been well reported on the Japanese TV channels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGK6xBmseGE
    Mind you, 65 deaths out of a population of 120 million is not too bad. Do you recall how many elderly in Europe succumbed to the heat a couple of years ago?
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:59am
    - ztev
      
      UK alone had 20,000 excess deaths over last winter ( northern hemisphere)
      It is estimated that 20,275 Brits more than average died between December 1 and March
      https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/694368/flu-winter-death-cold-fatalities
      
      Thats only ‘more than usual’ over winter, the ‘usual excess’ is another 28K people
      
      How many in japan for 1 week ?
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:41am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Teriyaki”!
    That’s a good one!
    (You wag, sir.)
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:00am
DJ Ward

If you earn $25 an hour and work 40 hours a week you earn $1000.
So in two weeks you get $2000.

Expect a yearly rush of women to your nearby man hating Domestic Violence social services provider.

They have the Legal right to write a “my ex said I am fat and ugly” proof of Domestic Violence Document.

Employers are forced under legislation to except the document and pay the fraudsters $2,000.
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July 26, 2018 9:41am
- KevOB
  
  A severe blow for women’s employment. Contracting out is probably impossible as being contrary to public policy. To avoid the new provisions will mean more emphasis on male workers and contract/piecework rates for women.
  
  When commonsense looses the plot you know there are greens in govt.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:55am
- brett68
  
  They have the Legal right to write a “my ex said I am fat and ugly” proof of Domestic Violence Document.
  
  You’re absolutely right it’s all here, Have a read of this.
  What a can of worms.
  
  https://nzfvc.org.nz/content/family-violence-policy-and-legal-definitions
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:06am
  - VicParking
    
    “psychological nature which typically involve fear, intimidation and emotional deprivation” It seems also that if you dont give it to them on a regular basis its “emotional deprivation”
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:35am
  - KevOB
    
    The new Act needs to be fully available.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Just come back from the supermarket and I have to say I was gobsmacked.
The guy at the checkout in front of me asked for cigarettes and the supervisor just came and opened the little white cabinet in full view of all the customers allowing the smokes to be seen by everyone.
Surely this kind of insidious promotion of cigarettes is banned in New Zealand now?.
I would have thought the minimum requirement would be too have full hospital curtains around every checkout which can be pulled when the cigarette cabinet is open or as an alternative all customers need to be blindfolded before the cabinet is opened.
It’s obvious now why smoking rates are still so stubbornly high as legislators and retailers are just not taking the issue seriously?.
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July 26, 2018 9:46am
- stephieboy
  
  Limitless opportunities out there for you to have a good and pointless grizzle and whinge.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:42am
- rightoverlabour
  
  And you have made me want to go and buy a pack right now after reading this. So when I eventually get lung cancer I’ll be blaming you. You unfeeling bastard. How could you? ( Does this qualify for Domestic Abuse leave?).
  This country is seriously going to the fucking dogs……
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:17pm
Catons

Yes I wonder whether Clark has lost her marbles over the concert. She is not liking her irrelevance. People who have had a lot of power can go slightly potty when they lose it. Margaret Thatcher did. Now Clark.
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July 26, 2018 9:49am
- ztev
  
  She lives a few streets away. Wait till they have concerts at St Stephens point in Pranell..
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:14am
- Lance
  
  The vindictive old hag has arranged for a NZer of the year to be thrown under the bus.
  Thou shalt not cross the Klarkenfuhrer, examples have been made of.
  
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  July 26, 2018 12:59pm
Catons

Clark could be likened Norma Desmond. I am still big it’s the politics that have got smaller. Except her unworthy campaign against a concert for sick children shows how small she has become.
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July 26, 2018 9:51am
- DJ Ward
  
  Since when has a Labour Political Prostitute ever given a shit about children. Children are the mechanism of psychological bribery to give Feminism power and their zombie minded followers other people’s money.
  
  Meanwhile despite all thier good deeds children remain helpless colateral damage.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:08am
  - ztev
    
    This baby thing will never happen …its …well I cant say…but the claims have been proven to be exaggerated.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Means ‘you got nothing’, right?
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:54pm
graham

Just for ztev …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105762209/power-of-auckland-mayors-office-curbed-after-lashing-by-ombudsman

Auckland mayor Phil Goff’s office has been stripped of its ability to influence the release of information following an investigation by the Chief Ombudsman.

Ombudsman Peter Boshier found the council had acted unreasonably, and in some respects unlawfully, in withholding for five months a report sought by RNZ.

The report, commissioned by Mayor Phil Goff, had examined the merits of the imported vehicle trade continuing through the city’s port.

Goff had publicly opposed the trade continuing to occupy waterfront wharves, but the NZIER report found losing the business could cost the city’s economy $1 billion.

Mr Goff commissions a report … it says stuff he doesn’t like … so he tries to hide it.

Oh dear, oh dear …

Still, it’s only $1 billion at stake … you can just dream up another tax to cover that, right Mr Goff?
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July 26, 2018 9:57am
- ztev
  
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  I thought you were going well…. until you lost the plot over some fantasy figure about $1 bill ‘lost’ from the used vehicle trade.
  car yards in Auckland will still be full of used cars – new cars come across the wharfs as well, but lets ignore that – no matter where they cross the wharf.
  
  Its a typical example where they come with a ‘big number’ to make it sound important or even true.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:12am
  - graham
    
    Those are not my figures, ztev, those are the figures from the NZIER report.
    
    Who I would hope know what they’re talking about.
    
    But if you think you know better than the NZ Institute of Economic Research when it comes to talking about … um, economic research, please feel free to discuss.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:27am
    - ztev
      
      NZIER is a contractor paid to produce ‘results’
      Not this one, but even DPF has had fun with a serious economic report that had had false claims.
      It happens, assumptions, crystal balls, dubious sources, computer models…voila a magic pudding
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:24am
      - graham
        
        Well, I can’t comment on the report as I haven’t seen it.
        
        I suspect you have not seen it either, but hey, if I’m wrong, please do detail where this specific report is wrong.
        
        Incidentally, you talk about “some fantasy figure about $1 bill ‘lost’ from the used vehicle trade.” From my reading of the article, the NZIER report is looking at the ramifications of the port losing the business to import vehicles through its facilities. Which is completely different to saying that used vehicles will no longer be sold in Auckland, or there will be a downturn in the used car trade.
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:46am
    - Paulus
      
      Only Labour use Ganesh Nana from BERL to get their figures right yea ! out by a few Billions – but Ok they have now given him a role in one of the many committees as a an offering.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: APRA airbrushes history of huge mortgage risks – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/apra-airbrushes-history-of-huge-mortgage-risks/

By John Adams, Chief Economist at As Good As Gold Australia

Australia has truly entered the uncharted twilight zone.

Last week, Chairman of the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA), Wayne Byres delivered a speech entitled ‘preparing for a rainy day’ .

The Chairman, as part of this speech, outlined a range of policy initiatives that APRA has implemented in recent years to reduce risky lending practices by domestic authorised deposit-taking institutions (ADIs) as well as provided details of APRA’s industry stress test which was conducted during 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …

Post by Pavletich … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/apra-airbrushes-history-of-huge-mortgage-risks/#comment-3152846

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
… also … access background research …

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

… Normal housing markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income (median multiple) … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times annual household income … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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The Effect of Zoning on Housing Prices … Reserve Bank of Australia Discussion Paper

The Urban Containment Effects (Zoning Effects) On Australian House Prices (RBA Report) … Wendell Cox … New Geography

http://www.newgeography.com/content/005921-the-urban-containment-effect-zoning-effect-australian-house-prices

… extract …

• In Sydney, the urban containment effect adds $489,000 to the house price making the annual mortgage payments $29,000 higher. Figure 4 shows the components of the average house price in Sydney.

• In Melbourne, the urban containment effect adds $324,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $19,000 higher.

• In Brisbane, the urban containment effect adds $159,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $9,000 higher.

• In Perth, the urban containment effect adds $206,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $12,000 higher.

• No data is available for Adelaide, but the present median multiple (median house price divided by median household income) suggests that urban containment effect adds at least $13,000 to the mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  AUSTRALIA: Sydney and Melbourne drag house prices to first annual fall for six years | Australia news | The Guardian
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/ubs-big-banks-ready-hike-mortgage-rates/#comment-3153624 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/corelogic-weekly-australian-house-price-update-still-falling/#comment-3153625 (behind paywall) …
  
  Sydney and Melbourne drag house prices to first annual fall for six years | Australia news | The Guardian
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/26/sydney-and-melbourne-drag-house-prices-to-first-annual-fall-for-six-years
  
  Tighter credit puts squeeze on property in the big two cities, with NSW capital down 4.5% … read more via hyperlink above …
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  House price crisis: Sydney home values drop up to 10 per cent in just one year – with property markets down across Australia in a clear sign the boom is over … UK Daily Mail
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5992875/The-average-cost-house-Australia-FALLS-time-years.html
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  Annual Aussie property prices fall for first time in six years …9News com
  
  https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/07/26/04/04/property-house-prices-market-real-estate-sydney-melbourne-national-australia
  
  … further reading …
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
  
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  July 27, 2018 3:24am
Stars And Stripes

Seems bizarre to me that this new domestic violence leave is available on a yearly basis like holidays as I would have thought that if things were that bad at home that you were using it regularly then surely it is time to make some tough decisions in your life such as leaving.
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July 26, 2018 10:05am
- tf78
  
  IMHO ten days leave must coincide with a police report.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Police report won’t happen as that is being ‘judgemental’.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:20am
    - KevOB
      
      An employer has a reasonable right to evidence that any claim is proper.
      
      Do the COL not favour small employers?
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:49pm
      - Paulus
        
        Under the Privacy and Human Rights Laws the Employer will not be entitled to any evidence.
        Just pay up and shut up.
        
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        July 26, 2018 2:18pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    You are very wrong. That is only one of many options options.
    
    It should be the the case. Or a document with a court date so you can attend. Or a Docters certificate.
    
    But it not the case.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:59am
- Inandout
  
  So if the partner wants 10 days off work on full pay they ask for the bash…simple if you are crooked.
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:19am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Like with every other bit of stupid legislation the law of unintended consequences will prevail.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:27am
    - DJ Ward
      
      This Law has intended Consequences. It’s created by active players in the DV industry. There will a large demand for the services of Domestic Violence Document writers so women can have bonus holidays. No proof required, Women’s Refuge, Shine, White Fibbing will be providing them free of charge.
      
      Wait for the demand for extra government funding as this gians momentum. Women’s Refuge and Shine will be partying hard at this financial miracle.
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:11am
      - KevOB
        
        An employer can require evidence within 3 days of the request being made.
        There is also provision to deny the leave as essentially being impractical. Then it’s up to a Labour Inspector…
        
        It’s going to be simpler to have some workers on contract arrangements.
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:43pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        @KevOB – ultimately it will be easier to employ a male.
        
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        July 26, 2018 2:26pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        @DJ Ward
        And the unintended consequence is that a male will be a more attractive employment option for small businesses up and down the country.
        
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        July 26, 2018 2:34pm
  - MCos
    
    Sounds like you’d be quite happy to oblige.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:29am
  - DJ Ward
    
    No you don’t need the bash, you just need to say you got one. No proof required.
    
    Nah, no bash required, just lie and say he got angry.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:01am
    - tf78
      
      He got angry because he didn’t like my cooking. Sob, sob, sob and then he said “just leave the cooking to me love” – I was outraged and humiliated.
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:27am
      - DJ Ward
        
        I ordered him to cook me some eggs. He told me to cook my own fucking eggs.
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:37am
      - VicParking
        
        Don’t forget that all it has to be is “psychological emotional deprivation” Like not getting a fuck last night
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:40am
    - ex-golfer
      
      The employer will then be obliged to report it to authorities under a duty of care.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:30pm
  - backster
    
    Maybe verbal abuse will be sufficient, In any case why can’t it be another con on ACC not the employer.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:25am
- Longknives
  
  Surely there will be some kind of controls in place??
  (Police Report or such)
  Just like you need a sick note from your Doctor.
  It would be bizarre just to give ten days leave a year without any proof..
  
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  July 26, 2018 10:24am
  - Inandout
    
    Only a working party could have sorted that, sorry.
    
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    July 26, 2018 10:51am
  - DJ Ward
    
    That’s exactly the intent of the Law. To remove any requirement of proof.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:03am
  - MH
    
    perhaps a reenactment of the assault? Either at work or at the home even with the use of actors if one party unwilling to participate.
    
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    July 26, 2018 1:20pm
dime

Facebook stock down 20% in after-hours trading. OUCH!!!

Revenue slowing.

20% is massive. Zucks net worth just dropped about 16 billion US lol
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July 26, 2018 10:39am
Surely Knott

Media Fact Check Site has finally added the NZ Herald to it’s list. And they have ranked the NZ Herald least biased!?!!!! The article they thought showed right bias was the criticism of the labour government and their lobbyists. Stuff however they have ranked as centre left bias. The public can also rank the paper based on where you think the bias sits by ticking a box at the bottom of the page.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-zealand-herald/
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July 26, 2018 10:41am
- ztev
  
  NZME certainly has lots of soft reports and feelz for Avery.
  Would that be cause of ‘exclusive deals over content’…good to see Avery making sure the important stuff is done first…meanwhile babies are dying ..apparently
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:19am
  - Lance
    
    Keep the character assassination going ztev.
    Let us all see just what depths you can manage to slither to.
    
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    July 26, 2018 1:04pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    You’re right Ztev. Everytime the herald posts about the concert, I think of all the cute little babies that could be saved with 2000 life pods. . ” Meanwhile babies are dying….apparently” Oh no, You’re not a babies are dying denialist are you.
    
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    July 26, 2018 1:53pm
- tf78
  
  The highest result when I did it was 29 votes for it being extreme right – only 5 (including mine) Extreme left. Herald staff must be on the job.
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:31am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Funny how the report inverts when showing the result.
    
    The antifa mouthpiece now has 10 telling the truth with the Auckland newspaper staff still at 29; probably all those in today in the newsroom who can read.
    
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    July 26, 2018 1:02pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Only centre left for Stuff. God must exist for such miracles to be possible.
  
  All their Feminist staff must have voted to make them look sane.
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:34am
Philview

I read a report today that the EU v USA Trade War is over. The EU is going to slash tariffs on US gas imports. Trump was vilified for attacking the EU but seems to have got what he wanted.
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July 26, 2018 10:51am
- KevOB
  
  LNG to Europe.
  
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  July 26, 2018 12:37pm
Rich Prick

The Third World brings us the Third World. You gotta love the diversity.

Although Avondale residents say they are proud of their diverse community, some described their main street as neglected, unsafe and “Third World”.
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July 26, 2018 10:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  Rich Prick, not all. Diversity brings success to NZ and Auckland on multiple levels,
  
  https://diversityworksnz.org.nz/success-stories/
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:02am
  - Manolo
    
    What about bringing more caring Somalis, stephieboy?
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:10am
    - Inandout
      
      Commonly known as the mongrels of Africa. I had to smile when I saw a doco on Somali pirates being tracked down in the Arab Gulf with all the weapons aboard. The EU soft cock naval vessel captain gave the pirates food and drink and gave them a GPS so they could get back to Somalia. This absolutely pissed off the captain of the cargo ship that was targeted, he couldn’t believe how kindly these killers were treated by the EU guy.
      In another programme the US Navy Seals came across some pirates and literally blew them out of the water. There were no survivors from the boat which was a ball of flame.
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:39am
      - VicParking
        
        I saw one when a Russian warship came on some pirates. No warning shots. A huge Gattling type gun just blew their ship to bits.
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:45am
  - graham
    
    And from that page, two stories on two different companies – The Warehouse and Waste Management – who have had to develop and implement communication programs (presumably at their own expense) to cope with employees who can’t speak, read or write English very well.
    
    Waste Management had to do it to ensure its staff understand safety procedures in what is a high-risk industry.
    
    The Warehouse programme required a significant investment from the business and its team members. It ran for 33 weeks in 1.5 hour blocks, making up 49.5 hours of training, with half completed during work hours and the rest in team members’ own time. The cost to the business in lost staffing hours was $50,000.
    
    Now on one level, I applaud these businesses for taking the initiative, and say good on them for doing it – but wouldn’t it be nice if a business owner could simply hire somebody who knew how to read and write English, rather than hiring somebody and then having to teach them how to read the safety signs to make sure they don’t get mangled at work?
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:18am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    From Diversity Works NZ website:
    “We are funded by our members and through Government contributions”
    
    Says it all really doesn’t it.
    Another taxpayer sponsored mouthpiece to push
    propaganda down the throats of the general public.
    If there is so much demand for this stuff how come they can never stand alone without taxpayer support?.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:31am
  - Rich Prick
    
    If you count shops that do WINZ quotes as success, you might be right. But then one wonders at your definition of “success”.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:36am
  - realityczech
    
    The people you are talking about stupidboy do not believe in diversity. They even want everyone to follow the same primitive religion. Their countries have very little diversity.
    
    We don’t want them here.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:39pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      No, those aren’t the people stephieboy is talking about.
      
      He does not deny that there is an obnoxious minority of Muslims. His point is simply that they are just that, a minority, and that they are at least as much of a threat, and at least as unwelcome, to mainstream Muslims as they are to the rest of us.
      
      Many Muslims do integrate and do bring economic and cultural benefits to their new societies. They don’t deserve to be punished for the actions of the most extreme, any more than all men deserve to be punished for the actions of rapists, or all doctors for the disgrace of Andrew Wakefield.
      
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      July 26, 2018 2:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        I see
        
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        July 26, 2018 6:12pm
  - Nermal
    
    If diversity is so good for a community, then surely Somalia needs more white people. The Stephies and their families should volunteer, I’m sure a Givealittle page would soon provide them with one way tickets to Mogadishu
    
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    July 26, 2018 2:20pm
- MCos
  
  We regularly drive down the Avondale main street, all two hundred metres of it, on the way to the Sunday Market.
  Certainly no rich pricks down there so I don’t know how you would know what you were talking about.
  
  The Avondale Racetrack is a sorry arse place, but the market is a great place for inexpensive fruit & vegetables and all sorts of secondhand stuff.
  Of course if you prefer rubbing shoulders with other rich pricks stick with Farro
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:45am
Captain Mainwaring

Avondale is a shithole, pure and simple.
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July 26, 2018 11:03am
- stephieboy
  
  CaptainMainwaring, I take it you live there and therefore have first-hand experience?
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:05am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I live nearby thanks Stephie. Yes. The West Auckland Suburbs are going backwards fast. Left local boards with too many conflicts of interest. Add to that a liquor monopoly controlled by many of the same politcians also distributing money.. And council moving AT and it’s business out of the Waitakere Council building. Lots of social programmes but poor economy. What did West Auckland get out of this years budget. Oh we’ve been added to the social help programme with South Auckland, but what we really needed was investment in townships, economy and sport facilities
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:13am
    - ztev
      
      You forgot about the nimbys in Oratia -PB amoung them- who stopped a new water treatment plant going ahead . Apparently its the start of a ‘war on fresh water’
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:16am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Not at all Ztev. The Water Treatment Plant is going next to the existing Water Treatment Plant where Watercare have owned land clearly zoned for Water Treatment for many many years.
        
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        July 26, 2018 5:34pm
  - Harkman
    
    Sorry Ralph, I gave you an uptick by mistake, fat fingers. I was trying to give you the thumbs down tick.
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:48am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    No, and I don’t live in Dhaka either, but I know that is also a shithole.
    Jesus you’re thick.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Captain Mainwaring, so you obviously don’t have a clue.
      
      It is true there is an open sewer flowing through your property?
      
      Blundering buffoon like your namesake!
      
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      July 26, 2018 12:36pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I’d prefer an open sewer flowing through my property than through my head, like you.
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:24pm
  - skyblue
    
    I grew up in Avondale. My mum still lives there. The main shopping centre is a shithole. Green Jade is a great takeaway bar though. Cops are very busy visiting parolees to make sure they are behaving.
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:43pm
    - Swifty
      
      Skyblue – I’m in Avondale and grow spuds with my kids. We’ve just started planting early this month. We usually pull 200-300kgs of new spuds come Oct/Nov.
      
      I have a small list of elderly/retirees that I drop off a couple of kilos to each year. Would your Mum welcome a spud delivery around then? If so, I can set up an email address for you to sing out to me on.
      
      Swifty
      
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      July 26, 2018 3:45pm
- Longknives
  
  Come now Captain Mainwaring- That Giant Spider in the town centre is just lovely!
  It really looks quite striking in the picturesque setting of Avondale’s run-down second hand stores and abandoned shops..
  
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  July 26, 2018 11:15am
  - Manolo
    
    It will not be long before the first mosque is built there. Our stephieboy will rejoice!
    
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    July 26, 2018 11:21am
    - graham
      
      https://www.facebook.com/Avondale-Islamic-Centre-200392586640066/
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:28am
      - Longknives
        
        My mistake- When I lived in Auckland it’s doors were closed because of some ‘Problematic’ issues with certain worshippers..
        
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        July 26, 2018 11:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        graham, that centre is in Blockhouse Bay some distance away.
        
        DUH!
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:40pm
      - graham
        
        Fair comment, stephieboy, you are correct. I was wrong.
        
        I was confused by the name … you know, “Avondale Islamic Centre” …
        
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        July 26, 2018 1:24pm
      - Swifty
        
        Ignore SB – he shows his cluelessness once again for all to see.
        
        It is on Blockhouse Bay Road but is firmly in Avondale.
        
        I know, I drive past it every day.
        
        Also, yes, this was the location of the attempted coup by this bearded prick:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11260760
        
        Comes over here, goes on benefits for 20 years, refuses to work, preaches that we’re all second class humans and to top it off these are his close associates:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11634785
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/79669783/men-plead-guilty-to-new-zealands-first-charges-relating-to-radical-islam
        
        I’m just appalled that we allow people like this to live among us – and that no-one in authority has got the balls to do anything about it.
        
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        July 26, 2018 2:58pm
    - Longknives
      
      There was a Mosque in Avondale-
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11257805
      
      It needed Security Guards- Isn’t the ‘Religion of Peace’ just so wonderful??
      (*I think it has been closed down now)
      
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      July 26, 2018 11:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives, no different to this Jewish Synagogue,
        
        https://v3.bethshalom.org.nz
        
        Anything to keep crazies like you at bay.
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:42pm
      - Longknives
        
        Probably not a great deal of those sorts of ‘problems’ or violence at the Jewish Synagogue Stephieboy.
        But thanks for your input Champ…
        
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        July 26, 2018 12:47pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Is there some sort of disturbance at the Synagogue that makes it “no different to” or is this just another example of galah’s pointless whataboutism in his fruitless struggle for relevance?
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:45pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Benevolence in Jewish life” & ” Pot Luck Dinner”
        
        stupidboy, your link indeed provides damming evidence against the local Jews.
        
        MORON>
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:50pm
DJ Ward

Most of NZ has some relevance to the term shithole if Avondale is the standard.

Helen Clarks house is the only place left worth protecting, pure and simple.
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July 26, 2018 11:18am
doggone7

Dame Tariana Turia was on the news saying that getting rid of charter schools was against Māori self determination.

So there’s the challenge, let iwi set up their own school system within the state system. Within the state system if state funding is used.
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July 26, 2018 12:16pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095088

Oes noes syphilis!

“”exploding and growing” syphilis epidemic among men who have sex with men.”

AIDS foundation bloke says it’s all the fault of the Auckland DHB. Nope, just like AIDS, it’s nothing to do with the victims and poor cock management practices.

Sure there’s also a relatively small amount of hetero syphilis but, again, that’s most likely amongst promiscuous people who do not wrap.

Keep your cock under control and you have pretty much zero chance of getting any sexual diseases. The DHB didn’t force you into having highly promiscuous sex without a condom.

Your poor impulse control should be your own problem to fix. It’s not the taxpayer’s responsibility to clean up your mess!
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July 26, 2018 12:21pm
- starboard
  
  Can your fist catch syphilis ?
  Those dirty filthy bastards , wheres a tall building.
  
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  July 26, 2018 12:32pm
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard , you and cmm would be the first to know about this kind of thing?
    
    Surely?
    
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    July 26, 2018 12:43pm
    - pentwig
      
      it would appear that you are the only perverted pedo (self confessed) on this blog stupidboy
      DUH
      
      LOL
      
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      July 26, 2018 1:26pm
      - sooty
        
        Oh! those poor goats of stephies!
        
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        July 26, 2018 3:56pm
Longknives

Watch this Left-Wing Student Activist/Protestor stop a flight from taking off-

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12095605

“I am trying to change my country’s rules, I don’t like them,” she says.”

*I’m surprised the other Passengers didn’t drag the silly little **nt off themselves..
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July 26, 2018 12:50pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Someone like you did try at least to take her phone. Fortunately the cabin crew collared him and gave her the phone back. Lucky for him that’s all they did, given he was breaking the law and she wasn’t.
  
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  July 26, 2018 1:17pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Disobeying a crew instruction to sit down and belt up is breaking aviation law.
    A whole plane load of people was delayed because some stupid tart doesn’t like the law.
    Hope she gets a life ban from the skies in case she next boards a plane I’m on.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:32pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Disobeying a crew instruction to sit down and belt up is breaking aviation law.
      
      In this case, only if the crew felt that forcibly sending a refugee back to the country he fled from was something worth standing up for – which they didn’t.
      
      A whole plane load of people was delayed because some stupid tart doesn’t like the law.
      
      Meh. Planes are delayed all the time because people do stupid things. If anyone’s going to cop a life ban for delaying a plane, please let it be all the ones who get pissed and cause trouble. At least this one’s got an excuse.
      
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      July 26, 2018 9:48pm
- cmm
  
  Apparently he’ll lose his life.
  But, sweetie:
  * Afghanis are no different to Europeans. They are sensible, rational people. Therefore he’s in just as much danger in Sweden and he is probably safer in Afghanistan where racist skinheads won’t inflict micro-agressions on him.
  * Afghanistan isn’t a shithole like Trump said. He’s going back to a wonderful place. Why interfere with this fantastic opportunity for him?
  
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  July 26, 2018 1:18pm
- 4077th
  
  Stupid little mole. Protest by all means, literally holding others hostage while she is doing it..FAIL!
  
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  July 26, 2018 1:19pm
  - Morrissey
    
    “Holding others hostage.” LOL.
    
    You really are clueless.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:43pm
- rangitoto
  
  Hopefully she will now be on a no fly list.
  
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  July 26, 2018 1:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  Some Human Rights activists have called her a hero!
  I call her a traitor.
  
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  July 26, 2018 4:03pm
- realityczech
  
  She should have been dragged off the plane and shot in the face.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:37pm
4077th

Take a look at the number of complaints to banks list here:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=12095575

Why list them in order of assets? Is it because Jim Anderton’s little commie experiment scored very badly? Something smells…
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July 26, 2018 1:08pm
Nostradamus

News of interest to Stephieboy:

Auckland mall changes hands: Birkenhead’s Highbury Shopping Centre sold
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July 26, 2018 2:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Fairfax is goneburger
https://finance.nine.com.au/2018/07/26/08/45/nine-and-fairfax-agree-terms-to-merge

Hello Peter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Costello
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July 26, 2018 2:10pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  There’s a more famous “Peter” on Wikipedia.
  
  Hello Peter
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davis_(sociologist)
  
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  July 26, 2018 2:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Political Peters:
    Peter Costello/Malcolm Turnbull….
    
    Much more to my taste
    Peter Capaldi/Malcolm Tucker
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjD7DT5TxIs
    
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    July 26, 2018 6:09pm
Manolo

Tomorrow will be an interesting trading day in the NYSE.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/25/tech-stocks-poised-for-bloodbath-on-thursday-with-facebook-on-track-fo.html

The tech-heavy Nasdaq was set for a big down day Thursday after disappointing quarterly results from Facebook sent the social media giant hurtling toward its biggest share price decline ever and on track to lose more than $125 billion in market value.
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July 26, 2018 2:12pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Facebook has really climbed in value in the last couple of months, from $160 in April, up to around $220 today, so even if a third got wiped off it, it wouldn’t be too bad.
  
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  July 26, 2018 4:43pm
DJ Ward

These are the document providers for the Domestic Violence Workplace Holiday Programme.

(a) a police report confirming attendance at an incident involving domestic violence; or
(b) a record of a police caution relating to domestic violence; or
(c) a record of criminal proceedings for an offence relating to domestic vio- lence; or
(d) a record of a conviction for an offence relating to domestic violence; or
(e) a record of a court’s finding of fact of domestic violence against a person by another person; or
(f) a court order relating to domestic violence; or
(g) a report from a medical practitioner stating that a person has injuries or a condition consistent with having suffered domestic violence; or
(h) a report from a domestic violence support organisation relating to a per- son who has suffered domestic violence; or
(i) any other document prescribed in regulations made under this Act

So let’s look at this.
A: You ring the cops for a DV event, nothings taken place but the cops write a report saying they attended. 2 weeks holiday.
B: No DV has taken place because arrest is arbitrary if it did. 2 weeks holiday.
C: The accusation is false resulting in not guilty. 2 weeks holiday.
D: The DV happened a long time ago. 2 weeks holiday.
E: The DV happened a long time ago. 2 weeks holiday.
F: File a bullshit Protection Order on former partner, withdraw it 2 weeks later. 2 weeks holiday.
G: Self harm. 2 weeks holiday.
H: Holy crap, your kidding. 2 weeks holiday.
I: Letter from a friend in your own handwriting. 2 weeks holiday.

J: If male, fuck off crybaby, get back to work.

Nuts.
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July 26, 2018 2:14pm
- 4077th
  
  Jan Logie..It’s other peoples money you fool. Employers are rich pricks, they need to pay up.
  
  Does a Doctor have a duty of care to contact Police if a patient has a bruised arm from what they claim is domestic violence? As far as I am aware they need the patients permission? If permission is needed and not given, I can see this gravy train having excellent patronage.
  
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  July 26, 2018 3:04pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    No – they do not need the patients permission.
    Doctors that suspect physical abuse are required to report it.
    
    I therefore believe employers will face the same responsibility, no different from anyone on the street witnessing a crime – we all have a duty of care to report or respond (not that we call do).
    
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    July 26, 2018 4:43pm
Nostradamus

Auckland Council agency’s $89,000 bill to entertain top-notch clients

The Auckland Council’s economic growth agency [Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development] spent a smooth $89,000 showing off the city – and all its potential – to clients last year.

The spin:

“Because our key economic development priorities such as attracting business and investment and growing multiple components of the visitor economy require Ateed to grow relationships with a range of partners – including multi-national companies and international investors considering projects in Auckland, tourism agencies and business or major event organisers – staff are sometimes required to undertake hosting as part of their role or hold external meetings with key stakeholders. Staff are also regularly called upon to help Auckland leverage the economic development opportunities provided by the region’s investment in a portfolio of major events. This involves hosting guests from overseas or around New Zealand and showcasing Auckland’s business capability and destination assets.”

I hate business-speak – and this is a classic example of waffle.

Does ATEED measure the return on investment (“investment” = ratepayer money; “return” = private sector investment that wouldn’t have happened without the “investment”)?
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July 26, 2018 3:04pm
- sooty
  
  I think you wold find that that most of the money was spent on the chancers at ATEED.
  
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  July 26, 2018 3:51pm
Kabull

I had occasion today to look for an ERO report on a local early childhood centre. I came across the ERO examination framework. I am totally blown away by the biased slant in these documents. One could be forgive for thinking there must be another system for non-maori/pasifika children …

http://www.ero.govt.nz/publications/he-pou-tataki-how-ero-reviews-early-childhood-services/part-4-eros-framework-for-review-nga-pou-here/

http://www.ero.govt.nz/publications/he-pou-tataki-how-ero-reviews-early-childhood-services/part-6-eros-evaluation-indicators-for-education-reviews-in-early-childhood-services/
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July 26, 2018 3:05pm
Nostradamus

Swedish student denies wrongdoing after refusing to sit down on plane over asylum seeker’s deportation

A Swedish student who halted a flight carrying an asylum seeker who was set to be deported to Afghanistan has denied any wrongdoing.

She did a Facebook livestream that lasted more than 10 minutes:

Ms Ersson knew that the plane couldn’t take off without every passenger buckled into their seats and used this to her advantage. “I’m not going to sit down until this person is off the plane … the pilot has the right to say that he is not allowed to be on the plane,” Elin Ersson said in a livestream on Facebook from Gothenburg.

And the inevitable outcome:

About 10 minutes into the livestream, an airline staff member approached her, saying the asylum seeker would be let off the plane. “We’ve opened the door. Both you and that passenger will not fly,” he said.
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July 26, 2018 3:26pm
DJ Ward

Goff should by a ticket.

A venue has been booked.
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July 26, 2018 4:02pm
- ex-golfer
  
  This is hilarious.
  It appears that yesterday’s story about them not coming was #FAKE NEWS
  
  The promoter of the event says the first he heard of them supposedly not coming was when he read it in the news. He was always seeking an alternative venue. He is wise not to be revealing where at this point otherwise he may get the “Ray Avery” treatment.
  
  Who’s tails between their legs now ztev?
  
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  July 26, 2018 4:40pm
Swifty

This Saturday, in Auckland:

“A meeting to attack fascists.”

“We are making a stand against hate speech disguised as freedom of speech. We are making a stand against hate groups like Hobson’s Pledge.”

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/07/24/the-liberal-agenda-love-aotearoa-hate-racism/

Delusional.
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July 26, 2018 4:19pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Hopefully the water-cannons will be deployed.
  Give the filthy losers a free shower.
  
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  July 26, 2018 4:41pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “A meeting ~~to attack~~ of fascists.”
  
  BYO jackboots, brownshirts optional
  
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  July 26, 2018 4:54pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  In response to Swifty’s post, I have some questions:
  
  The people behind Hobson’s Pledge have put their names to their views, but The Liberal Agenda do not. Who is behind the group?
  Who is it that Hobson’s Pledge hate?
  Which other groups will The Liberal Agenda be taking a stand against? Who is it that those groups hate?
  Are this group paying rental for the premises for their gathering? How would that be financed?
  What form of stand taking do the organisers propose?
  Will the attendant media ask attendees what fascism is, and how it manifests in New Zealand?
  
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  July 26, 2018 6:08pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    241 Kirkbridge Road is the address of the Mangere Central Community Hall – owned and managed by the Auckland Council.
    If this event is not cancelled by Goff then his hypocrisy is nuclear.
    If their message is not one of hate, I don’t know what is.
    If we were to threaten widespread violent protest at this event, he will need to do the same thing he did with the Southern/Molyneux event – but I won’t hold my breath.
    
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    July 26, 2018 6:23pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Thank you e-G, but I still can’t figure out who hates who and why.
      Who are these people?
      What is their agenda?
      Who’s paying the venue hire?
      Have they filed their Risk Management plan?
      
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      July 26, 2018 6:42pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Oh goody, I will be in Wellington. Should be good – all of the rent a mob will be up here.
  But hey, I have a drone, try find the pilot
  
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  July 26, 2018 6:45pm
- realityczech
  
  Fascists are just lefties in smart uniforms.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:06pm
Happychappy

So the Green Party have decided to back Winston Firsts Waka jumping Bill. After announcing they would the Green Party spokes person tried to lie about it saying having to swallow a dead rat was part of the Coalition agreement but when questioned about the Coalition agreement not involving the Green Party she admitted that was the price of keeping the Coalition together and having stable Government. These Clowns will sell their sole to keep their big Salaries and shit on the members of their Party that have voted in the past against this type of Bill becoming Law.
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July 26, 2018 4:42pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup, typical lefty communists doing anything to remain in power. I hope true Greenies reject them en masse, the party from an environmental point of view is a disgrace. I read the statement on their website. Fuck you Greens, you are traitors to the environment. We expect Winston and his cabal of misfits to be unreliable, lying, political whores, but many expected better from you.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:01pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Dear Happy, Believe you mean soul. ?
  Sole: the undersurface of a person’s foot:
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:13pm
Nostradamus

A scam email I received today:

My wife and I won the Euro Millions Lottery of 53 Million British Pounds and we have voluntarily decided to donate 1,000,000GBP(One Million British Pounds) to 5 individuals randomly as part of our own charity project.
…
After a computer spinball,your email address was among the emails which were submitted to us by the Google, Inc as a web user; ifyou have received our email, kindly send us the below details so that we can transfer your 1,000,000.00 GBP(One Million Pounds) in your name or direct our paying bank to effect the transfer of the funds to your designated bank account in your own country.

Full Names:
Mobile No:
Age:
Address:
…
Best Regards,
Richard & Angela Maxwell

I can’t believe people get sucked in by this sort of scam!
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July 26, 2018 4:48pm
- nasska
  
  You shouldn’t be so cynical. Think back on how many idiots voted NZ First to give National a backbone!
  
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  July 26, 2018 6:00pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    The Winston First voters seem to have gone strangely quiet since the election. I wonder why?
    
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    July 26, 2018 6:48pm
    - nasska
      
      I’ve noticed that Nostra. Before they were ra ra bolstered with piss & wind but now, not a peep. As you noted earlier this year:
      
      (Chuck Bird on 3 September) “I support Winston and want him in government”.
      
      (Paul Scott on 12 September) “I hope we [NZ First] get at least 4 Ministers”.
      
      (Dad4Justice on 6 September) “As a undecided voter I applaud this policy [National’s youth unemployment] policy”; but (Dad4Justice on 28 September) “FFS WINSTON SAVE US FROM THE MADNESS OF LICKSPITTLE NATIONAL AND THE COMMUNIST GREENS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY!”
      
      All gone to ground!
      
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      July 26, 2018 6:55pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        Paul Scott truly believed that Winston First would overturn the policy that means he can’t get his NZ Super while he is up to his weird photography fetish living in Bangkok.
        More fool him.
        
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        July 26, 2018 7:05pm
itstricky

I can’t believe people get sucked in by this sort of scam!

I can’t believe people get sucked in by this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k4pMTsa1Kw
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July 26, 2018 5:03pm
MrTips

No dear, you’re a bloody mess .
Another example of Hollywood inter alia kidding itself and ruining lives. And these people expect us to pay attention to their “opinions”.
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July 26, 2018 6:17pm
ex-golfer

One News are creaming themselves over reports of a blast at the US Embassy in Beijing.
They breathlessly show a live picture of………nothing much.

Its such big news that none of the interenational news channels even have it as a breaking news item.
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July 26, 2018 7:02pm
- rangitoto
  
  “The bomber, a 26-year-old man, was injured in the incident, police said.
  
  The police statement identified the man only by his surname, Jiang, and said he was from the city of Tongliao in the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia.”
  
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  July 26, 2018 7:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia’s first gay Iman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-australia-44895778/how-australia-s-first-gay-imam-is-saving-lives
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July 26, 2018 7:25pm
Monique Watson

I know human nature so I shouldn’t be surprised but how the fuck has Helen Clark still have so much sway?
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July 26, 2018 7:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She knows where all the bodies are buried.
  
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  July 26, 2018 7:50pm
Monique Watson

She did away with the bodies. But it’s concerning how she still writes the narrative for the media. Who are largely children.
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July 26, 2018 7:53pm
- rangitoto
  
  TVNZ went into overdrive to produce the Avery hit job. No doubt on Clark’s orders.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:05pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes the media are doing an attack job on him to protect the regime. A man of medicine who has devoted his life to helping others. This is a measure of the media.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:09pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I heard Avery on radio this evening. I have heard him interviewed before, and was impressed by his life story. Tonight, he sounded like a dissembling conman. I hope I am wrong, because many people have donated much time and effort to this cause.
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:11pm
    - realityczech
      
      Not much of a conman giving away money for philanthropy, inventing life saving tech etc.
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Some of his claims aren’t stacking up. We’re lucky to have some actual journalists remaining at newsroom and RNZ.
        I’m not convinced yet. I’d like to see that vision of affordable medical help in the third world achieved.
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:24pm
Morrissey

Forget the disgusting, spineless Marianne Ny; here’s proof that there are Swedish people with courage and integrity…..

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/25/where-theres-life-a-real-live-human-being-theres-hope/
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July 26, 2018 8:07pm
- realityczech
  
  She is a traitor and should be sent to Afghanistan herself as fresh meat. Probably safer there than Sweden, the rape capital of Europe.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:12pm
  - Morrissey
    
    My friend, we’ll put aside your silly NewstalkZB-level comments about “fresh meat” and “rape capitals”, and deal with your one point of substance, viz., that this magnificent young woman is a “traitor”. How? How is she a traitor? Who is she betraying?
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:21pm
    - realityczech
      
      The attention seeking whore is betraying her country. I think they should throw some acid on her face as well. She loves that stuff apparently.
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:22pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ????
        
        Good Lord. You’re in a state of fugue now. Can I use your crazed and incoherent but spectacular words for a little playlet I’m working on?
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:26pm
    - realityczech
      
      A Swedish court has cleared three teenagers accused of rape for inserting a wine bottle in a girl’s vagina until she started bleeding.
      
      ..the men pinned her down on the bed and pried her legs open before inserting the wine bottle into her vagina.
      
      The men reportedly ended their actions when the girl started bleeding.
      
      The verdict further stated that she may have kept her legs together initially out of modesty, or because she was at first “hesitant” to engage.
      
      The man who inserted the bottle was also freed of a charge of assault, as the court found it was not his intention to hurt the girl.
      
      https://www.thelocal.se/20130515/47920
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:29pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Are you aroused by that? It certainly seems so.
        
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        July 26, 2018 8:38pm
  - realityczech
    
    Mother of 2, lured to Asylum Centre, raped by more than 8 immigrants. She uses a wheelchair now, they raped her so brutally. She is so traumatised by what happened, she lives in a psychiatric hospital.
    
    This story concerns the case of a brutal assault on a mother of two in December 2011, for which eight Afghans are now facing charges. The assault took place in the Mariannelund Asylum Centre and was extended over a seven-hour ordeal. According to the men, the victim was “a bad woman, and a whore.”
    
    She is now subject to nightmares and panic attacks, and lives in a psychiatric clinic. She is bound to a wheelchair due to damages to her abdomen, and suffers from faecal incontinence.
    
    The following individuals were facing charges:
    
    Rafi Bahaduri, 25 years old
    Salahedin Hashemi, 20 years old
    Mohammadi Zia, 20 years old
    Morteza Afzali, 20 years old
    Mohammadi Aziz Ahmad, 33 years old
    Rahmati Hedayat, 20 years old
    Azim Ahklaghi, 20 years old
    Rustam Ghafory, 21 years old
    
    http://www.pmclauth.com/news/worst-gang-rape-in-the-history-of-sweden
    
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    July 26, 2018 8:36pm
    - realityczech
      
      Sweden: Nobody Helped Woman Raped by 20 Muslim Migrants
      
      A rape case so brutal that even the Swedish main stream media is reporting about it.
      
      “Eeew, you have sperm on your face and on your clothes, don’t involve us,” they said to the woman. She had just endured a gang rape and abuse by up to twenty perpetrators in a stairwell in Fittja, but nobody in the southern Stockholm suburb wanted to help the victim, Metro reports.
      
      The woman was gang-raped and also beaten up by up to twenty perpetrators. The woman was kicked, beaten, threatened with a knife and her head was knocked against the floor until she went unconscious.
      
      ” Nobody wanted to help her. “A guy told her she was disgusting and she had sperm in her hair,” reads the police report. She also tried to get help from a guard at the train station, but also he didn’t care about the woman’s situation.
      
      https://redice.tv/news/sweden-nobody-helped-woman-raped-by-20-muslim-migrants
      
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      July 26, 2018 8:41pm
      - DigNap15
        
        These attacks are disgusting.
        But only to be expected when you allow vermin into your once beautiful country.
        I hope there are many more of these attacks so that the Swedish people finally wake up and do something serious.
        Like deport them all!
        
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        July 27, 2018 8:23am
nasska

A 15-year-old Indonesian girl has been jailed for six months for aborting her foetus, after her elder brother raped her eight times.

I guess the wedding’s off then.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/07/22/world/asia/ap-as-indonesia-teen-abortion-sentence.html
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July 26, 2018 8:40pm
- realityczech
  
  He should come to NZ and get a new house if he feels picked on.
  
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  July 26, 2018 8:43pm
rangitoto

Sue Bradford on the Greens:

“The Greens really are in a parlous state as they vote for the waka jumping bill, flying in the face of a once proud history & kaupapa. No obligation on them to do this, as a senior MP admits – what a sad day for the party.”
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July 26, 2018 8:56pm
- nasska
  
  …..”No obligation on them to do this”…..
  
  Bullshit! NZ First dined on a few dead rats when they helped kill off our oil & gas industry.
  
  Now the Greens are paying the piper.
  
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  July 26, 2018 9:16pm
RF

The greens are nothing but fucken gutless arse holes.
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July 26, 2018 9:30pm
- realityczech
  
  Oh they are more than just gutless unfortunately.
  
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