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rangitoto

Arctic not melting because, you know, spiders!

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/could-tiny-spider-be-helping-arctic-stay-cool
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July 25, 2018 8:07am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Less greenhouse gases?? In Alaska?? Spiders responsible in The Last Frontier??
  Do these shithead scientists realise the size of Alaska? It is double fucking huge. How many quadrillions of spiders would it take?
  I smell something and it is not rotting vegetation. I have been to the Alaskan Interior twice.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    You are a bigot because you say the spiders are so small and can’t do anything.
    
    They self identify as HAUUUUGE spiders.
    
    Feelz beat facts!
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:59am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Typical alt-right arachnophobia from Steve (North Shore).
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:15am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Some Alaskans act bigger than they are too! LOL
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:38am
- Fletch
  
  One of the main news stories on the radio is about fish not being able to find food because of CO2 in the oceans. Apparently it’s making them dumber or something, but not as dumb as the people who believe the story…
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:29am
- DJ Ward
  
  It did not say it’s not melting becsause of spiders. They just proved that as temperature changes so does the ecosystem as a result of the spider. As stated they have 80 times more biomass than another predator, gray wolves.
  
  It is well known that as CO2 increases plants perform better. As the atmospher thickens insects get bigger. As the ocean acidifies shelled creatures suffer.
  
  This effect of temperature rise in obvious. As the temperature of a location dictates the plants and animals that evolve in that enviroment. As temperature changes so will it’s ecology.
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:39am
  - realityczech
    
    “This effect of temperature rise in obvious”
    
    We don’t know as the temperature is simply not rising.
    
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    July 25, 2018 5:44pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The ocean acidification comment exposes his ignorance too.
      
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      July 25, 2018 5:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        AoR, he probably read it some where and wants to sound all sciency.
        
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        July 25, 2018 6:02pm
KiWombat

Last night I was checking emails in my office when I heard the wife call out “what would you like for dinner love, chicken, beef or lamb ?”

I called back “chicken thank you petal !”

She replied “you’re getting soup you fat bastard – I was talking to the cat !”
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July 25, 2018 8:10am
- RF
  
  Jesus. I have just located my wife’s missing sister…..
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:16am
  - KiWombat
    
    She turned up with three litres of Gin yesterday, so I suppose I’ve got to feed that mangy cat until saturday !
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:35am
    - holysheet
      
      Sounds like she is Moniques sister
      
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      July 25, 2018 8:48am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Cats and tuna.
  I heard about a Chinese student studying Japanese in Tokyo years ago who used to buy what he assumed to be “White Persian Kitten” brand canned tuna, only to eventually realize that it was cat food.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Decades ago I read a magazine story about a school in a poor part of an american city where the most popular sandwich filling for the children was cat-food.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:49am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Also found in the menus of all those starving battling kiwi families who only have $1.68 at the end of the fortnight while neglecting to mention the $1,300.00 per fortnight that I contribute.
      
      As ‘reported’ in an Auckland newspaper in a cafe near you
      
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      July 25, 2018 8:59am
    - KevOB
      
      Haven’t been game to try it, and it’s not certified as safe except for moggy, but some tinned cat food looks appealing as possible sandwich spread. There is a scarcity of tinned meat pastes.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My step-mother asked my father if he was feeding the cat.
    No, he replied.
    She asked him the same question a few days later.
    Same reply from my father.
    A day later she asked him again if he had started feeding the cat.
    No, he said.. “I know that you are feeding her”.
    “But you must be feeding her,” S-M declared.
    Why? said Dad.
    “Well, I opened a new can of Jellymeat last night and now it’s nearly empty,” replied S-M.
    “Show me”, said Dad.
    
    And when S-M opened fridge to reveal nearly empty Jellymeat can, my father said that he thought that it was fish-paste and had been putting it on his sandwiches each morning before S-M had risen.
    Tasted good, he reckoned.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:53am
    - Komata
      
      For what it may be worth: The consumption of cat food by NZ humans is nothing new. While living in Grey Lynn (Auckland) in the late ’60’s, I as told about an elderly ‘streety’ (although that term wasn’t in use then), a resident of K’ Road, who was a regular consumer of tinned cat food. The ‘horror’ of being in such a dire situation as to be reduced to eating such a product was well-conveyed to me by my informant, especially as she was on a pension.
      
      I subsequently saw the lady several times, while I was working in the area. She was in her 70’s, always well dressed and looking healthy, and due to her apparent ‘good health’, I thought at the time that perhaps she was onto something. The idea of consuming cat food didn’t appeal personally (it still doesn’t), but perhaps it ‘could’ be a viable alternative if all else fails…
      
      No idea if she is still alive, but submitted for what it may be worth.
      
      Perhaps some of our older readers may remember her?
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:15am
      - Fletch
        
        From what I recall, the incidence of old people eating pet food is why the makers started putting something in it which makes it smell awful to deter people. It didn’t used to smell so bad.
        
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        July 25, 2018 10:34am
      - VicParking
        
        I remember her well. She used to come up to you and rub herself against your leg. Had lovely whiskers and a purr to die for.
        
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        July 25, 2018 12:11pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Did you feel her nose to see how cold it was?
        
        Did you admire her coat?
        
        Were you mildly repulsed when she tried to shove her face below where your tail should be?
        
        Could she pass a lamppost, rock, blade of grass without an involuntary twitch that would have indicated that she wanted to investigate whatever object?
        
        How did your lower trouser leg fare?
        
        Did she salivate at the sight of a ball?
        
        I don’t even want to think what happen when passing past a person with similar dietary habbits while ovulating . . . .
        
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        July 25, 2018 12:26pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      What’s colourless and smells of dog-food?
      
      A pensioners fart.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:41am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I don’t understand why anyone would eat tinned cat food. A small tin costs about $1.20 to $1.79 for 85grams. That equates to about $2.00 per 100g, or $20.00 per kilogram. Caviar cream with Shrimps is $4.99 for 180g , virtually the same price…. give or take a few dollars.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:11pm
duggledog

Quite a good interview with Matt Lauer on National Radio last night about the Hunter Valley Station access.

Guy invests a shit load of dough into NZ Inc only to have the rules changed on him.

The message he could now circulate amongst his peers and other elites is so bad.

“Don’t invest in NZ; they are all over the place like a mad woman’s shit.” (My words)

Along with the signals sent out over oil & gas, our “PM” calling the now most powerful man in the world a ‘professional arsehole’, Little, Chippie & our “PM” pissing off the neighbours at every opportunity and now rarking up the Chicoms I have grave concerns.

Although they were different times, let’s not forget how the French dealt with us when their secret agents got caught red handed bombing a ship in our sovereign territory.

Trade was mentioned and over our clever, principled Lange bent to take it up the ass.

In the final analysis, we had no power. None. I think the CoL (and kiwis) are going to learn a big lesson before long.
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July 25, 2018 8:10am
- RF
  
  For Christ sake it’s not a hobby farm… it’s a bloody working farm subject to OSH regulations.
  
  You just cannot have every Tom Dick or Harry turning up in their 4x4s and driving everywhere across it.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:23am
  - VicParking
    
    No cell phone coverage. 6,500 hectares. If they get into trouble they might not be found for weeks.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:28am
  - Komata
    
    RF
    
    But, but, every Tom Dick or Harry (and Lisa and Charmaine) have a RIGHT to be able to go on someone’s land whenever they want to; the gummint has told them they can, ‘cos it belongs to ALL New Zealanders.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:19am
    - VicParking
      
      And if Lisa and Charmaine drown crossing one of the six major streams they have to cross to get to whatever god forsaken place they want to get to, just on principle, it will be Hunter Valley Stations fault.
      
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      July 25, 2018 12:16pm
      - Komata
        
        VP
        
        Of course, since they (the farm) didn’t take ‘all due care’.
        
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        July 25, 2018 3:02pm
- Justitia
  
  “Words have meaning”. Helen Clark was very slow to realize this, at great cost to New Zealand’s relations with the US. The Left are so immersed in the onanism of their own rhetoric they just don’t get it until the reality of the damage they cause whacks them in the face and New Zealand’s credibility takes another hit.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:31am
- MCos
  
  He didn’t ‘invest’ in NZ per se. He bought the lease on a piece of land because because he liked the look of it, in the same way you or I might buy a new car. He made the comparison himself.
  The problem, as I understand it, is that an easement should have been organised before the sale not afterwards.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Previous owners of it have had no problems with access by holidaymakers.
    
    Matt Hauer is playing the prized prick game!
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:53am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      We already know that there is very little room for two prize pricks here but I admire your persistence
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:04am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      But but … he hates Trump so he must be right
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:07am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Sounds like penis envy to me.
      Between the goats and Mrs Palmer you’ve worn your out.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:59am
    - Nookin
      
      So, you are ignorant of the fact that the council went to court because of access issues, then?
      Your comment suggests pig ignorance.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:20am
    - KevOB
      
      No easement: no rights. We can’t have arbitrary impositions by govt agencies.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:27am
  - KevOB
    
    Tough. Those who were selling knew what they were doing.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:24am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and it continues this morning. It seems the Public Walking Commission & the Associated Mountain and Tramping Clubs are stirring this because they didn’t get their proposal accepted last year. Seems Wilson, from the Mountain Clubs has suggested Lauer & co used political influence on National ministers, which has been rebutted. However, this hasn’t stopped Winnie the Poo & Parsley (Sage) making further inaccurate comment.
  
  When are these fools going to learn that governing a country is not about your or your mates feelz.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    2020, or if by a stroke of good luck, sooner
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:06am
- artemisia
  
  Also interview with Mr Lauer’s lawyer this morning. Stuck to his story despite Mr Espiner’s best efforts.
  
  At least unrelated past history was not brought up. Unlike the below article 22 July in which the headline refers to him as ‘controversial’. The article describes him as ‘disgraced’. The Walking Access Commission describes him as having ‘a tarnished reputation’.
  
  1. Rule of Law.
  2. Natural justice.
  3. Walking Access Commission loses the plot.
  4. Banana republic.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105595864/controversial-tv-star-demands-millions-to-give-public-access-to-south-island-station
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:47am
- niggly
  
  RE: Matt Lauer and the Hunter Valley Station easement situation etc.
  
  Seems the Greens doofus Eugenie Sage planted her foot in her mouth again by blaming National (having some hand in the process to not allow public access etc) and of course the Drunken Dwarf chipped in with his usual default trademark lame attack lines “it’s all National fault” and some git called Wilson or something from some mountain walking advocacy group also tried to smear National etc etc.
  
  Oh fucking dear for them as Matt Lauer’s lawyer Graeme Todd went onto Morning Report and put the slimey Guyon Espiner in his place by totally dismantling the claims of collusion with National from these 3 muppets above and carefully explained the situation (including health and safety legislation concerns and so on).
  
  Well worth a listen to hear a masterful takedown of Espiner and those other 3 muppets, as well as providing alot of context to the situation.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018655083/hunter-valley-access-dispute-matt-lauer-s-lawyer-responds
  
  (Frankly I don’t know why the lawyer doesn’t sue those muppets for spreading false claims – but of course won’t due to the “victim” status and ensuing publicity that the media will award the muppets)!
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:54am
- Harkman
  
  Well it is pretty obvious, “DON’T INVEST IN NEW ZEALAND UNDER THIS LOT.”
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:02am
  - MCos
    
    He didn’t ‘invest’ in NZ.
    Don’t be disingenuous.
    
    He invested in Matt Lauer.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:28am
EAD_TWO

FFS:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/police-not-clear-on-toronto/news-story/a2a5858001c5549a380ba64968f3a909

No sooner where we told his name was Faisal Hussein than the MSM began feeding us the “mental health” narrative and that they “can’t figure out a motive”

But every psychotic White with multiple suicide attempts in his history is still attributed to White Nationalism, the Alt-Right, or affiliated groups and ideologies.

How people with an IQ higher than 95 can continue to believe ANYTHING the MSM spews forth is beyond me
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July 25, 2018 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  This denial by police is so common now with regard to Muslim killers. Any terrorist aspect is left to hang until people forget about the killings, then it is quietly ‘suggested’. Las Vegas is a classic example.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:16am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Multiple Muslim incidents:
    “Isolated incident; guy had mental health problems; he was neglected by society and was the real victim here; we need more diversity and multiculturalism.”
    
    Single White incident:
    “An attack on us all, our values, and humanity; a civilizational crisis.”
    
    Have you ever wondered, perhaps, why opinions which the majority of people quite naturally hold are, if anyone dares express them publicly, denounced as ‘controversial, ‘extremist’, ‘explosive’, ‘disgraceful’, and overwhelmed with a violence and venom quite unknown to debate on mere political issues? It is because the whole power of the aggressor depends upon preventing people from seeing what is happening and from saying what they see. – Enoch Powell
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:21am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Sorry. My ability to press the correct icon on my smartphone is non existent. I pressed a downtick instead of an uptick. Mea culpa.
      
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      July 25, 2018 8:48am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I have got the green tick balance for you with the regret that i can only vote once.
        
        I’ll ask Martin Marytn how this double voting thing works . . . .
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:11am
- secondcumming
  
  Despite the crap the authorities and the MSM spout about all these murdering Muslim terrorists, it’s never ‘mental illness’……it’s their allegiance.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:29am
  - MickMac
    
    What example do they look too?
    Muhammed.
    Muhammed is Islam and Islam is Muhammed.
    He is considered the perfect Muslim for all times and places, a character figure to emulate.
    
    Liar
    Thief
    Robber
    Rapist
    Murderer
    Torturer
    Slaver
    But wait there’s more….
    He encouraged others to do this too.
    and
    he took 20% as his kickback.
    Even of humans………
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:38am
  - igm
    
    I hope when it happens here, and it will, it directly impacts on the arseholes in current CoL, MSM, and goat shagger.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      igm,, very deep.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:04am
      - Harkman
        
        When he said “goat shagger” he was referring to you.
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:12am
      - VicParking
        
        Hartman, Stephie is a gentle and passionate Goat Shagger. You can hear his and the goats gentle moan rising up the lift shafts from the basement of. Frasier house ?❤️
        
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        July 25, 2018 10:17am
  - secondcumming
    
    Given the proliferation of supposed ‘mental illness’ evident among the Muslim population, maybe they should convert their Mosks into Mental Institutions, where adherents can receive the appropriate treatment.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:51am
    - igm
      
      Looking at the line-up of Islamists outside a mosque which I drive past frequently, one would assume they all have some distinct abnormalities.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:04am
      - Inandout
        
        igm, possible acute inbreeding, especially amongst the Pakis, who also like full burkas because they hide black eyes and acid burns.
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:10am
    - holysheet
      
      If you banged you head on the floor as often as these weirdos, you too would have mental problems. As WE all know, actions have consequences.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:55am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    SC – I don’t trust religious fundamentalists of any shade, but they have to be psychotic to believe all that ‘death to infidels’ crap.
    We need to build a wall around these radicalised mosques and let them bang their heads as much as they like without endangering the rest of the world.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:30am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What evidence is there that Faisal Hussein had mental health problems? Have any medical records been made public? (I imagine that there are concerns about patient confidentiality…)
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:37am
  - simpleton1
    
    Patient confidentiality is dead now.
    If there are any records, subpoena them. The spread of this information in them would be helpful to other doctors etc. in prescribing “medications” and “therapies”
    The family claim they feel sorry about the “damage” so they should be willing to be very helpful and allow this to be done.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    None from family or Islamic groups because Islam promotes lying (Taqiya) to infidels. They have zero credibility.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Oakayu-sen , what evidence, is there he doesn’t?
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:05am
  - Inandout
    
    What amazes me is that lawyers of victims don’t appear to start proceedings against government agencies that cover up these lone wolves.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:13am
  - Justitia
    
    He killed a young girl and a young woman at a restaurant, as well as wounding numerous others. Targeting of young women by Islamist murderers has been observed in other attacks eg London and Manchester. Depraved.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:06am
    - igm
      
      Young girls and women mean the current line-up of so-called females in CoL would be safe. Is that why they support Islam vehemently?
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:21am
    - DJ Ward
      
      That’s easy to explian. When deaths are reported they will say X Women and Y Children were killed. MSM doesn’t give a fuck about men being killed.
      
      Hence targeting of females for media effect.
      
      Also prevents infidels breading.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO, MSM? certainly not your anti-Jew baiting Irish Savant and Occidental Observer and Daily Stormer etc!
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:55am
- simpleton1
  
  The Police knew him of him.
  A known wolf, muslim, near “65 Mussallah Mosque”
  
  Files being reviewed by police include concern Hussain expressed “support” for a website that was seen as “pro-ISIL,” says a law enforcement source. ……
  
  ….police in Toronto and CSIS officials in Ottawa, as well as the RCMP, are looking into his past, which sources say include his residence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
  
  Hussain apparently had been spoken to by authorities about his online activities. Sources say Toronto Police, the OPP and the RCMP have all had an interest in the now-deceased shooter.
  
  What law enforcement is saying is that the attack was planned, and Hussain was “well known to Toronto Police” for investigations into past crimes “involving weapons and violence.” …..
  …… some friends said he was “not at all radical,” others said he was more interested in Islamic discussions “when there were more people around.” https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-was-danforth-attack-terror-or-terrorism?video_autoplay=true
  
  A known wolf.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Who lets them in ?
    
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    July 25, 2018 12:02pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It was obvious that this was a murder spree inspired by the religion of peace when the attack quickly was shuffled off the news feeds.
  
  I fear the battle is lost, the dishonesty of the Pravda MSM will win the day and we’re the last generation that will enjoy the fruits of western civilisation. One generation after Africa took back the richest country on the continent that can hardly keep the lights on or water coming out of the taps and white genocide is underway. Socialists should look at their grandkids and apologise for what they’re going to take away from them in the coming Dark Age.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:11am
- mark15
  
  simple,IQ test funding is now withdrawn.
  Ta-daaah!
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:19am
- simpleton1
  
  The writer of the family’s statement of regret, and about the mental problems that Faisal Hussein suffered from.
  
  “His groundbreaking political advocacy, public relations and media work has been widely credited by insiders as framing a new narrative for Muslims in Canada,” says a bio of Hashim connected to an appearance he made at CanRoots 2016, a left-wing activist conference.
  
  The bio continues: “His workshop ‘Progressive organizing in the Muslim communities’ will demonstrate how the GTA Muslim community mobilized in the previous federal election, and laid the groundwork to start building a national political movement.”
  
  Another bio from the 2017 Muslim Awards of Excellence continues this description of Hashim as something of a spin doctor, noting that “his talking points and media advocacy are changing how Muslims are seen in the Canadian identity.” https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-meet-the-spin-doctor-behind-the-hussain-family-statement
  
  So is that family statement true or not?
  
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  July 25, 2018 5:26pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Faisal Hussein seems to have hidden his problems well, as explained by muslim activist Mohammed Hashim.
    After all no family wants to air its “dirty laundry”.
    
    Ashley Robinson saw Faisal Hussain almost every day when she walked her dog on the winding sidewalk near her high-rise apartment building in Toronto.
    
    “He always was smiling,” she said, adding they lived in the same building in Thorncliffe Park, …….
    
    ……. Still, while many in the apartment complex reported seeing the 29-year-old happy and smiling, that outward cheer hid a dark struggle. [as the family’s statement points to mental illness] …..
    
    Still, friends said he was always cheerful.
    
    “He had a million-dollar smile. He was very upbeat and happy whenever I saw him,” Sukhera said, adding that Hussain “seemed fine.” [while the family had him treated] ……
    
    ….. “How did he get the gun?” said 39-year-old Malak Faisal, a father of two. “We live in Canada. We don’t live where buying a gun is easy.” https://apnews.com/95f5f7b52c174e909329fab4eb79ac00/Toronto-shooter's-neighbors-unaware-of-his-mental-illness
    
    It seems that any one of those nice neighbours may have unwittingly vouchsafed Faisal for a hand gun.
    
    Yet the authorities knew he was a “Known Wolf”, mentally disturbed or not, as mentioned in my comment above.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:01pm
Poppa

So we don’t have working groups anymore, we are much more progressive than that, so we citizens juries now.

I wonder where they dredge those up from? What will be the brain power of those people?

Sorry Andrew, I cannot see how this can add anything to the debate
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July 25, 2018 8:16am
- igm
  
  What is the story?
  https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/06/will-the-msm-ever-look-into-andrew-littles-record-ctd/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiq77a7zrjcAhWMxLwKHZX8AXUQFggIMAE&client=internal-uds-cse&cx=017313744458565335778:_dfm0jdv6vq&usg=AOvVaw2quLsdOlYwjr3kbF0aDLLw
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:52am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “There were seven questions we asked about the EPMU and the Engineering Training and Education Foundation and a missing $6m.
    
    These questions should be put to Andrew Little, because if someone cannot manage a union’s finances properly it is hard to imagine them being able to run a nation’s finances properly. ”
    
    He will be using that special COL calculator with the roving decimal point.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:17am
    - Lance
      
      By the time the MSM are through with this it will all be Nationals fault and they have JK’s signature to prove it. Complete with photo of JK biting the heads off kittens.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And if you have served on a jury lately, you will have realised that there is a dearth of young tradespeople, small business owners, professional folks on the Jury.
  
  Just how will Andrew Little select his “citizen Jury” and how loaded with fellow travellers will it be?
  
  http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/andrew-little-government-considering-citizens-jury-over-cannabis-referendum/
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:26am
  - igm
    
    Gutless Little Andy not to be trusted:
    Ghttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/11/andrew-littles-role-pike-river/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj4mNi24bjcAhUEopQKHWR4B8oQFggFMAA&client=internal-uds-cse&cx=017313744458565335778:_dfm0jdv6vq&usg=AOvVaw2tzONf7hiox-7MfuOHoqUwutless Little Andy is not to be trusted:
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:22am
    - igm
      
      Something went wrong:
      Check this out . . .
      https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/11/andrew-littles-role-pike-river/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiKurLV7LjcAhVJCqYKHe8zB0gQFggFMAA&client=internal-uds-cse&cx=017313744458565335778:_dfm0jdv6vq&usg=AOvVaw01PtOiHnB7iSXFHQgAJWC6
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:21am
Happychappy

This Coalition of frauds must have set a Parliamentary record for the amount of times they have decided to use blame for things that are not going well under their watch. Can anyone name anything the previous Government has not been blamed for that has occurred during this term.
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July 25, 2018 8:22am
- redeye
  
  The immaculate birth?
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:28am
  - VicParking
    
    Wasn’t it blamed on the last government allowing the importation of second rate condoms.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:32am
kevn

@Poppa… Our daily coalition/labour brain fa*t for today.
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July 25, 2018 8:22am
wreck1080

I wonder about the competency of Tauranga council CEO Garry Poole, based on his actions around Bella Vista.

Firstly, this debacle happened under his leadership. He receives great pay for great responsibility, supposedly. Where is his responsibility when millions of dollars of ratepayer money is going down the tubes because council are failing to do the basics of their job? Maybe council is too busy removing car parking and installing berms to worry about core business?

And why on earth would Poole release compensation details to the media before the actually affected residents?

It is plain rude and his explanation for doing this (intense media interest) is very poor . If he is so scared of the media he should not be in that job.
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July 25, 2018 8:24am
- Poppa
  
  I suspect Council is being told what to do by their insurers in this case
  
  Insurers have no empathy for the victims, they just want to get out of it for the least amount possible
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:31am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    As do ratepayers, the problem is the ticket clipping council inbetween.
    
    I would have thought that those completed houses with a CCC would have an excellent case against the council in the guise of ‘faulty workmanship’ with the issuing of the certificates with those not completed houses but with some stage completion certified by the council, coat-tailing on a pro rata basis.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:20am
- Rich Prick
  
  Tauranga’s ratepayers have quite a journey to go. If the inspector involved was so wilfully negligent with this development, what of the other ones he signed off on? There must be maybe hundreds of other ticking time bombs all over the city given the development boom over the last 10 years. I don’t think any insurer would want to pick up the tab for that.
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:05am
- Paulus
  
  Have pity on Poole he has recently lost his job as CEO Tauranga Council.
  Correction – he was not reappointed.
  
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  July 25, 2018 1:41pm
calendar girl

Last evening’s TV1 6.00pm News referred to New Zealand’s female Sevens Rugby representatives as the “New Zealand All Blacks World Sevens Champions” (or something very close to that description – sorry, I don’t have an actual recording).

I’m pleased for the team, and I applaud their international efforts and success on the field. But a degree of media perspective would be welcome. Of course, women play and compete at rugby, including in their own Sevens version of the game. But attempts to link them with the successes of the All Blacks are unrealistic and increasingly irritating.

The NZRFU may need to move to preserve the integrity of its most valuable financial asset.
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July 25, 2018 8:30am
- VicParking
  
  You will find that its the MSM not the RFU who used the term. The men are called the ‘All Black Sevens’ and that is deliberate branding as they draw on the same group of sponsors.
  Go the “Seven Sisters”
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:37am
  - calendar girl
    
    Yes, it was (and is) the media using such descriptions. And there’s nothing wrong with the name “All Black Sevens”, applied to the men’s team. But casual use of that term for the women’s team will erode the status and value the All Black trademark.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:45am
    - Batman
      
      I’m sorry, are you suggesting that the womens’ teams somehow degrade the All Blacks brand?
      
      The womens teams are more successful than the mens teams, having won more World Cups et al.
      
      It seems rather backwards to attempt to denigrate a team because they’re women.
      
      However, they are know as the Black Ferns Sevens team, while the XV team is the Black Ferns.
      
      http://www.allblacks.com/News/32728/black-ferns-sevens-make-history-in-san-francisco
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:55am
  - Longknives
    
    The Media always use the term ‘All Black’ when the Sevens team wins one of the multiple Sevens World Cups,Championships etc.
    When they get beat they go back to being plain old ‘New Zealand Sevens’..
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:27am
    - MCos
      
      I think you’ll find the name ‘All Blacks’ is officially bestowed on a number of men’s teams including the All Blacks, Maori All Blacks, Junior All Blacks, All Black Sevens. Women’s teams are known as Black Ferns.
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:19am
      - Paulus
        
        Assume we await the introduction of the Maori Black Ferns now.
        No racial inflection intended.
        
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        July 25, 2018 1:44pm
kevn

@wreck… Local body councils are amazing hiding places for incompetent employees. If they are really useless, a great reference is provided to get them off to a new appointment. That is a NZ wide issue.
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July 25, 2018 8:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Stephen Town anyone?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Town was ex Tauranga CEO and left a financial legacy detrimental to all subsequently, so what do you expect now he has Auckland Council CEO.
    
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    July 25, 2018 1:45pm
waikatogirl

Annette King has come out saying many are not going to the dentist as it is too expensive and is suggesting dental nurses be allowed to increase the procedures they do at a cheaper rate. How long did Ms King have to introduce this while Minister of Health? Why are all these unwanted ex-politicians speaking out now they have retired from parliament? If they couldn’t be bothered during their time in power, then piss off into the sunset.
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July 25, 2018 8:33am
- VicParking
  
  If labour had of suggested in while she was the Minister she would have been up in arms.
  Can I suggest her and Helen get together and start a Twisted old Bitches Club.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:41am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    They could call themselves Twisted Sisters. On second thoughts sod that; we’re not going to take it.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:24pm
- RF
  
  Labour has this hang up concerning teeth. It’s almost a rite of passage for leadership.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:42am
  - igm
    
    Wonderful!
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:56am
  - howitis
    
    All together now.
    Nine years.
    We had 9 long frightening years of looking at the Klarkenführer mangled mouth.
    
    Yes, it is only fair we all have a hang up on Labour’s bloody teeth.
    Now, if only Soyman Bridges could grow some teeth!
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:38am
    - pentwig
      
      After yesterdays performance at question time Simon needs a damn sight more than teeth!!
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:43am
- howitis
  
  Too expensive?
  There is free dental health care in NZ up to the age of 18.
  18 year old less one day.
  The neighbour had a major bit of work done the day before his 18th birthday.
  Result: lots of free care to set him up for years; and.. all gummed up on his birthday so no celebrations until a few days later.
  There is FREE ie no payment, nada, not a $au$age, care for the base level services. ..for up to 18 years. Get it done then.
  After that, if you can’t organise your life in dental care you won’t in other areas as well. Deal with it.
  
  The media bleat on about his crap as well as doctors visits when they are free for many.
  The lying manipulative filth in the media misrepresent far too often.
  eg with the sob stories about the slappers with 6 kids to six different, but generous, sperm donors they go on about ‘cant afford the doctor’ when NZ has absolutely free doctors visits for all under 14s regardless of income. These benes also typically have Community service cards.
  The misdirection and mistruths in this area is abundant.
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:30am
  - Fletch
    
    I do agree that going to the dentist is fricking expensive though. Heck, a medium sized filling will cost you over $200. I don’t see how they can justify that, really…
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:37am
holysheet

While walking down the street one day a Winston is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. “Welcome to Heaven,” says St.Peter.

“Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a politician around these parts, you see, so we’re not sure what to do with you.”

“No problem, just let me in,” says Winston.

“Well, I’d like to but I have orders from higher up. What we’ll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.”

“Really, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven,” says Winston.

“I’m sorry but we have our rules.” And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a club and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him, everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar. Also present is the Devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes.

They are having such a good time that, before he realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

“Now it’s time to visit Heaven.” So 24 hours pass with Winston joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

“Well then, you’ve spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity.”

Winston reflects for a minute, then answers: “Well, I would never have said it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell.”

So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. The Devil comes over to him and grins menacingly.

“I don’t understand,” stammers Winston. “Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and club and we ate lobster and caviar and danced and had a great time. Now all there is a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.

The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, “Yesterday we were campaigning.
Today you voted for us!”
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July 25, 2018 8:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  Heard the same joke in the UK from our church minister after Tony Blair won his third election, just with Tony as the devil & Michael Howard as St Peter.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:58am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Many a true word is spoken in jest. I trust those who voted for Peters “to keep National honest” will be suitably humbled.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Happy to provide the biodegradable paper bags that are eco friendly but fing useless for putting any form of damp rubbish in.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:25am
  - Peter S
    
    Winston is very much like the Parthenon ever since Elgin’s visit. Still looks imposing from a distance, but up close the cracks are showing and definitely missing the most important marbles.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:35am
    - rangitoto
      
      It’s a disgrace that they haven’t been returned.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:09am
      - Peter S
        
        I am not sure Winston realises they are missing.
        
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        July 25, 2018 6:09pm
peterwn

What is happening ‘on the buses’ in Wellington? The MSM do not have too much to say on this, so things generally seem to be running OK. No doubt there are little issues here and there but these do not seem to have hit the public ‘squeal point’.
Seems Paul Snelgrove’s Tranzit has sufficient drivers ‘in the bag’ to run his contracted services and the union has been pretty well sidelined.
Any other ‘takes’?
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July 25, 2018 8:36am
- MickMac
  
  Surely a month will tell, let’s give them that at least.
  It’s a massive change.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:42am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Trump tweeted something, they are both busy . . . .
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:27am
- ex-golfer
  
  The conversation went something like this:
  A: How will we reduce congestion on the roads and make our service more profitable?
  B: Lets reduce the number of buses, sack a whole bunch of drivers, take away the most popular routes, and increase prices.
  A: Brilliant plan #letsdothis
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:48am
brett68

Bridges is no leader.

He doesn’t look the part , he doesn’t act the part, he doesn’t sound the part and the media ridicule him endlessly.

While he stays leader National will never govern, Greece here we come.
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July 25, 2018 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  I’m sorry to say Winston runs circles around him at Question time. He does not Answer any of Simons Questions, just cracks jokes that he is the only one laughing and Simon lets him get away with it.
  Yesterday Simon raised a point of order to say Winston did not answer a question. The Speakers reply “I did not hear a question”. For once Trevor Mallard was right Simons ‘Question’? Was nothing more than a Legal diatribe/ failed hitjob.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:50am
  - brett68
    
    Bridges is the National parties version of David Cunliffe.
    
    He just doesn’t have what it takes to be a good political leader.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:56am
    - Poppa
      
      Sad as it is I agree with you
      
      I haven’t found anyone that likes him when talking to others so I think we are going to see a new leader before the election, I hope so or they are doomed
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:03am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Simon is Jim McKay all over again. He will get rolled later next year. Because the caucas will not want a 2002 repeat, especially when the CoL are absmyl.
      
      However, another problem appears to the National Party board and it’s failure to regenerate the party organisation. To win National needs a strong organised party and that doesn’t seem to be apparent.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:04am
      - brett68
        
        I hope so, there’s a serious opportunity for National to rule outright in 2020 and they’re blowing it with Simon Bridges.
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:07am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        He actually reminds me of a younger ‘Gentleman Jack’ Marshall, who was rolled by Muldoon.
        Too nice to do the dirty work.
        Will the roller this time be a female version of Muldoon? I think you all know who that is.
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:15am
      - RalphT
        
        Jim McLay
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:21am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        That female may be replacing Goff so hopefully we can persuade Mr S Joyce to the mayoral chamber with secret bath room and repolished Ngati Farty room table with the secret million dollar report on thus allowing said rottie to tear the CoFwits a new one!
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:32am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Ralph thanks, it is the predictive text and me not reading my post before I hit “Post Comments”.
        
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        July 25, 2018 11:30am
      - Paulus
        
        I keep my peace with the worse Government in living memory – and only six months.
        We will go two blue ticks anyway.
        Sadly the media will keep it a presidential style election.
        
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        July 25, 2018 1:51pm
    - geoff3012
      
      No. Nothing and nobody comes anywhere near silent ‘T’.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:22am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Not even Mrs Silent T, apparently.
        
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        July 25, 2018 12:34pm
  - Paulus
    
    Winston is just useless piss and wind so nothing new now !
    
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    July 25, 2018 1:49pm
    - starboard
      
      I believe the general consensus is that Simon Bridges is not the man for the job and he should step aside.
      
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      July 25, 2018 4:49pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Sorry brett68 – you are just not seeing this the way our betters on the patrician National party board are.
  
  From the party faithful, looking down from their ivory towers in Remuera, Khandallah and Fendalton, see things much better and much clearer than us ‘little people’.
  
  The “oh so woke” National party faithful have a different view of Simon’s leadership attributes (and they know best, don’t you know):
  1) He’s not Judith
  2) He’s not Judith
  3) He’s a teeny weeny bit tanned so they can convince the stupid voters that he’s a diversity candidate
  4) He’s got a speech defect, so they can convince the stupid voters that’s he’s a diversity candidate
  5) He’s only a teeny bit older than Jacinda, so they can convince the stupid voters that he’s a diversity candidate (and nearly “yoof adjacent”) because young voters are where it’s at
  6) He’s at the far left wing of the party – so he can contest with Jacinda for being the most progressive virtue signaller while they burn down the economy
  7) He’s stupid and politically inept, again like Jacinda so he can play for the pity vote the way that she does
  8) He has a young child, and the good Lord knows Jacinda’s going to be tough to be beat if she takes Neve out on the campaign trail with her in 2020 and Simon can return fire with his new baby too
  and finally the over-riding reason why Simon is the optimum choice for leader
  9) He’s not Judith
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:55am
  - brett68
    
    You’re on the money there.
    
    Christ, we’re fucked.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:08am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    As much as I would like to see Judith in charge, I worry that she would be too polarising and lose votes in the middle. She is probably worth trying now, giving time for her to test the electoral waters, and enough time to replace her before next election if she doesn’t work out. Appalling that she is 17th on list, she should at least be deputy.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:38am
    - brett68
      
      Bridges is polarising.
      
      Has Nationals vote collapsed?, no.
      
      We need another 5-10% you’ll get that with Collins, you’ll never get that with Bridges.
      
      Why
      
      1. Collins is a woman, National gives the impression they don’t rate females, they don’t think women are up to the job of running the country, it’s a poor strategy to alienate half the potential voters.
      Collins would bring over a lot of the mature female vote.
      
      2.Collins is tough which appeals to Men so I can’t see that section of the vote deserting National, if anything I’d see it growing( NZ First Voters)
      
      3. People are pissed off, a wishy washy leader is not what you want in this current climate, you need someone with fight to channel and harness that anger, that ain’t Simon Bridges
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:53am
- igm
  
  Don’t forget media attempted to discredit John Key, but he was too sharp for the scummy bastards. Do not think Bridges will make the grade, and we need Judith Collins/Mark Mitchell at the helm.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:00am
  - starboard
    
    Soimon is toast. Move over boy, Mitchell step right up. Jobs yours.
    
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    July 25, 2018 4:38pm
- srylands
  
  I wish he would be more decisive in his answers to questions.
  
  On RNZ on Monday he was asked “Will you scrap the Shane Jones Fund if you become the government?”
  
  There should have been a simple, short answer. But he fudged his answer!
  
  I found John Key usually straight forward and knowledgeable in his answers to questions. Even if I didn’t agree, I enjoyed his interviews.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:02am
  - brett68
    
    To me that says Bridges is more interested in getting elected than getting the country back on track.
    
    Bridges will increase WFF
    Bridges will keep the Shane Jones re election fund
    Bridges will keep free tertiary education
    
    Like Labour, Bridges will promise/dole out as much money as is needed to gain power
    
    Even if by some miracle National wins in 2020, nothing will change, “Socialist utopia” here we come.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:17am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Mallard is the problem
  Nobody, including Bridges, could get a straight answer out of winnie if Mallard won’t make him even approach an answer.
  Winnie is just a smart mouth, being allowed to get away with it by Mallard.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yep; Mallard has slipped back into protect-the-government mode. Yesterday he allowed an MP from NZF to feed up juicy pitches for Shane Jones to attack Bridges with, despite having previously rebuked Labour MP’s for using patsy questions in that manner. When Gerry Brownlee tried to point that out to Mallard, he was subjected to sarcastic put-downs.
    
    Jones’ smugness has become nauseating. He is running around the country dishing out money without a care, and Mallard will not allow the opposition to hold him to account.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:36am
    - igm
      
      Mallard is way out of his depth, being worse than Dr Wall, and screeching Wilson. Like the CoL he is a POS.
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:16am
- Prince
  
  The media will ridicule any right wing leader, and fawn over Their Labour and Green masters.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:15pm
MickMac

Maybe that’s a good thing for now.
Have National owned up to their failings last term?
Have they come up with any plans to put right the issues they “kicked down the road”
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July 25, 2018 8:44am
DifferentPerspective

Jacinda-clone in the US

Currently the totalitarian left in the US is all giddy about their very own Jacinda-clone. A young, ‘attractive’ female – Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – who recently swept to a surprise DNC nomination victory in the communist political wilderness of New York.

Guardian writers are leaving moist deposits in their panties every single time they fawningly report on Ms Ocasio-Cortez. From a diversity point of view she is literally the second coming:
– Female
– Attractive, particularly no orthodontical issues
– Young (28)
– Ethnically acceptable (read she has a Hispanic surname), and of course
– She lies like a mothafucka (her rich daddy was an architect, yet she describes herself as from a “working class” background)

Unfortunately, and this is something that the lying, whoring MSM fail to report, she is also as thick as pigshit. Here she fails to be able to even string a coherent sentence together as she explains why she is anti-Israel and why she supports the Palestinians.

She’s so dumb, I doubt she’d be even able to point to Israel on a map. In fact, looking at the clip above, I am not sure she’d be able to even explain what a map is.

What a mess Obama and Clinton made of the DNC if this is their brightest star.
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July 25, 2018 8:46am
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  DP, young (28) sure beats undoubtedly you ( 80? ) and even Jacinda ( 37)
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:07am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Oh look a squirrel!
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:14am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, goat fancier extraordinaire …
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:22am
- Harkman
  
  Yes she is utterly stupid, even James Comey is distancing himself from her.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:09am
- softail 1450
  
  D P, the thick bitch was campaigning for a fellow democrat in Florida and she reckons with her’s and Bernie’s help they can “turn the state red” FFS what a moron.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:20am
  - Peter S
    
    Funny.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:40am
- Longknives
  
  She certainly wears nicer footwear than Communist Cindy!
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives .” communist Cindy”?
    
    Are you ill?
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:38am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Come on comrade stephie no point trying to deny the undeniable here she is showing her true colours
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:45am
      - RF
        
        Bugger… I’ve just vomited…
        
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        July 25, 2018 11:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Not difficult, op shop slippers look better than her footwear choices and you know they come from dead people and weren’t even fashionable twenty years ago when they bought them
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:43am
  - Rich Prick
    
    To be fair, Cindy’s shoes are nailed on.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:33am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  An interviewer asked Ocasio-Cortez to comment on near record low unemployment in US and she said that was because everyone had two or three jobs.
  
  God bless America – if that quality of individual gets near the levers of power they’ll need all the help they can get.
  
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  July 25, 2018 1:36pm
Manolo

Predictions and more predictions:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/398493-top-analyst-dems-now-favorite-to-take-house-in-midterms
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July 25, 2018 8:56am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yup – it looks absolutely certain. Trump has “No Path to Victory”, the polls are absolutely conclusive.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:00am
Manolo

This is the new sultan that aspires to be part of the EU:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/718514/Israel-hitler-turkey-president-erdogan-turkey-racist-fascist-nation-state-law

President Erdogan of Turkey has launched an astonishing attack on Israel – saying the “spirit of Hitler has re-emerged” among administrators.
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July 25, 2018 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, sad that former bosom buddies have fallen out. Sure things will be fixed Turkey give Israel airspace to exercise its F15s 16s etc.
  
  Now how could a Muslim country do that?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:41am
dime

Dime has just started reading “The Second World Wars” by Victor Davis Hanson.

In the first chapter he speaks about deterrence.

Basically, the allies lost their deterrence pre-ww2 by being pussies. Not just Chamberlain either.

Its a good reminder in the current times. People getting upset at Trump and his giant swinging daddy cock, but the alternative is Iran starting to think they are the man. eg Iran & North Korea under the Obama administration.

Anyway, from his book:

“Throughout history, conflict had always broken out between enemies when the appearance of deterrence—the material and spiritual likelihood of using greater military power successfully against an aggressive enemy—vanished. From Carthage to the Confederacy, weaker bellicose states could convince themselves of the impossible because their fantasies were not checked earlier by cold reality. A stronger appearance of power, and of the willingness to employ it, might have stopped more conflicts before they began”
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July 25, 2018 9:04am
- dime
  
  urgh it looks like my comment took a rancid, tacos from a gas station the night before, shit below.. just links and nonsense from hugh
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:24am
- stephieboy
  
  dime, a review of the book is here,
  
  https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-new-history-of-the-second-world-war.
  
  The facts on the surface Hitler’s military power looked impressive to the invited like Charles Lindburg. But there were serious weaknesses such as such as a lack of along range four-engine bomber like the B17 ( in service even before WWI) and Lancaster, no aircraft carriers ( the ais had 16 – Japan. The Allies lots, lots more and Hitler had not established reliable sources of fuel. Even the Nazi runaways were not up to standard compared to the Allied concrete ones.
  
  Appears to be a good read going by the above review.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:27am
  - dime
    
    the fuck? which Stephie is on duty today?
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      dime, my impression you weren’t attentive to the details I provided which can only mean you’ve only “read” the cover jacket.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:37am
      - dime
        
        ah ok, so it is shit head stephie.
        
        I’m a chapter in.
        
        The Nazi’s were outmatched by the combined allies.
        
        Some highlights from chapter 1:
        
        1) If the yanks had entered into a treaty with France that said – if you’re attacked we will send men, Germany wouldn’t have attacked.
        
        2) if the Soviets didn’t have the non-aggression pact with Germany, ww2 wouldn’t have happened.
        
        3) Hitler never would have invaded Russia if he knew that had 2000 T-26 tanks that were far superior to Germanys.
        
        In terms of a fair fight – Germany was outmatched in men and equipment, but the allies lacked the will to fight.
        
        They basically had a couple of years to win, by 1941 they were fucked. they had no way of successfully invading England or the US. As he says in the book – how was Hitler going to bomb Detroit?
        
        He speaks at length about the 4 engine bombers. Hitler invested in the V2 which cost about 30 times as much to do the same damage.
        
        England out produced them and the yanks, well we know what they were capable of.
        
        He also speaks of the GDP of the US compared to Germany. In the 1930’s it varied between 10 to 30 times the size.
        
        He also talks about when world war 2 started, Germany was up against populations of 70 million.. by 1941 it was a billion.
        
        I could go on if you like? you fucking muppet.
        
        oh, my favourite bit from a lecture of his – he talks about how England was broke at the end of the war and they went socialist, whereas Germany and Japan went capitalist. 10 years later England was still broke and the other two were thriving.
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:45am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        So the B17 was available before WW1?
        
        What dust cover have you been reading Biggles?
        
        The B17 first flew in 1935 or have I got the dates of the Great War wrong?
        
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        July 25, 2018 9:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        Correction the B17 entered service with the USAF in 1938,
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_Fortress
        
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        July 25, 2018 11:53am
      - MCos
        
        You do realise, Dime, that the UK was left with a crippling debt to the US & Canada at the end of WWII that took 60 years to pay off.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215847.stm
        
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        July 25, 2018 12:51pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Hanson is usually worth reading, but it’s my impression that Allied victory, Allied productive capability notwithstanding, was in fact a very close run thing and German defeat was not inevitable until late 1942.
        
        Operation Blue, the German attack into the Caucasus, was going so well that Hitler decided early on it was already won and altered a carefully structured campaign. By so doing, he screwed the logistics and force concentration, slowed the German advance, gave the Soviets just enough time to reinforce a largely undefended Stalingrad (which was in fact a secondary objective) and weakened the main thrust of the operation, ie, to deny the Soviets access to Caucasus oil and, better still, capture it for Germany.
        
        Even with Hitler’s interference Stalingrad nearly fell. At one point the defending Soviet army had started to panic and its commander afterwards said that had von Paulus thrown one more battalion from his reserves into the attack, the defence would have collapsed.
        
        In the Caucasus itself, Russian forces depended on two vital military roads. Again, despite Hitler’s bungling, the German Army nearly succeeded – it captured part of one road and got to within a kilometre of the other.
        
        Had Germany been able to interdict Soviet oil supply, Soviet armies would have been crippled and industry weakened. Had Germany captured the oil fields, with the mineral, agricultural, industrial and human resources of south Russia it would have been invulnerable to Allied blockade and matched the USA’s industrial might.
        
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        July 25, 2018 8:14pm
  - jcuk
    
    I doubt that the B-17 existed even in somebodies’ mind during WW1 …. judging from what snoopy flies 🙂
    
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    July 25, 2018 11:11am
    - jcuk
      
      PS… else it was an earlier plane to the B-17 four engined day time bomber I remember from WWII.
      I saw a comment about Israels F15/16’s today which surely had precedents of the same number???? 🙂
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:39am
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… NEW ZEALAND … Unaffordable housing and poverty go hand in hand … When is the Govt abolishing urban limits and properly debt financing infrastructure ? …

Shocking new Salvation Army survey finds nearly half of New Zealanders have gone without heating, 37 per cent have skipped a meal as winter costs bite | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/shocking-new-salvation-army-survey-finds-nearly-half-zealanders-have-gone-without-heating-37-per-cent-skipped-meal-winter-costs-bite
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… FOLLOW – UP …

…An important 2016 report by Kate Amore of the Department of Public Health, University of Otago, Wellington … in case you were unaware of it …

… Why the political dithering by a Labour Jacinda Ardern – led ‘empathetic government’ ? … read front page http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

Severe housing deprivation in Aotearoa/New Zealand … Kate Amore … University of Otago Wellington (2016)

http://www.healthyhousing.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Severe-housing-deprivation-in-Aotearoa-2001-2013-1.pdf

Key findings

• The severely housing deprived or ‘homeless’ population has grown in size and scale over the last three censuses, at an accelerating rate. The prevalence of homelessness grew by 15 per cent between the 2006 and 2013 censuses, compared with a 9 per cent increase between 2001 and 2006.

• In 2013, there were at least 41,000 homeless New Zealanders, or about one in every 100 New Zealanders.

• Nelson, Auckland and Wellington regions saw the largest increases in homelessness between 2006 and 2013.

• Homelessness declined in Southland, Waikato, and Taranaki regions between 2006 and 2013.

• More than half (52%) of homeless adults are working, studying, or both.

• More than half (51%) the homeless population are younger than 25
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• People identifying as Pacific, Māori, or Asian groups are over-represented in the homeless population. Pacific New Zealanders are ten times more likely to be homeless than European New Zealanders.

• Migrants, especially new migrants, are at particular risk of homelessness. … read more via hyperlink above …
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UPDATE – New (IPSOS) survey reveals housing, poverty and healthcare most concern New Zealanders – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12047092
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July 25, 2018 9:17am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Salvation Army; should have stuck to their knitting, tambourines and pub collections on Friday night’s.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:51am
- Rodney Randall
  
  I wish I could take the Salvation Army seriously.
  
  They have a multi million dollar Citadel on Columbo Street that sits empty most of the week.
  
  They also refused a homeless mother and daughter’s request for a shower. (Mother and daughter presented submission at council where this was mentioned)
  
  I appreciate that the Citadel is not a halfway house, but fuck me, that palace is enormous, and is resplendent with screens and all the mod trimmings…IT SITS EMPTY
  
  They will never get a cent from me should they come a collecting
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:22am
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    Rodney … May I suggest you check out closely what happened with the Sallies premises through the Resource Consent process.
    
    My understanding is residents kicked up a big fuss about the Sallies locating there … and operating their broad social services.
    
    To the best of my knowledge it can only be used for Church / Admin purposes.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:43am
  - RF
    
    The Salvation Army is Labour in drag.
    
    I’ve seen the very expensive / impressive mansion in Christchurch with beggars sitting on the footpath a short distance away.
    
    Their priorities are arse about face.
    
    No more donations from me.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:55am
    - igm
      
      We once gave them a hell of a lot of help, but now they have greased to Islam and Labour, the hospice get everything.
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:11am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes their building on Columbo Street is huge, empty and there are homeless people are living up and down to Columbo Street. So much for playing their own part.
    
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    July 25, 2018 12:28pm
DigNap15

I hate our Tauranga City Council, they keep building new subdivisions at Pyes Pa and The Lakes (swamps) with no regard for the traffic jams along Cameron Road to Greerton to get to them.
They are spending thousands upgrading a small chinsey roundabout, which will have no effect at all.

All they ever talk about is getting people (not them) onto push bikes and into buses which we subsidise for them to drive round all day with the driver and usually one passenger.

And also they stuffed up at Bella Vista, took the exorbitant fees and did not do their job!

The inspectors should be named, shamed and sacked. The Office manager should be sacked.
And the CEO should also go and a new one appointed at half the salary (if that)

Those poor people paid for a house and do not have one, and its costing them a fortune to live somewhere else at the same time!
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July 25, 2018 9:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tauranga’s CEO is going in August.
  Gary Poole wasn’t reappointed.
  You are getting Whakatane’s Boss man.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=12053230
  
  I remember everyone in Wellington gave a great sigh of relief when Poole headed north.
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/6423477/Mystery-man-Who-is-Garry-Poole
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:38am
- VicParking
  
  You thing Tauranga is bad. Come down to Whanganui. They are reducing parking so that they can put a Shared cycleway/Pedestrian path. Never seen a cyclist use it yet. The Lycra rats still bike three abreast on the road. Replaced all the traffic lights so now there is three phases Cars, Pedestrian and Cyclists. When installing these lights they put in temporary runabouts. Traffic ran more smoothly than it ever did since 1900. P.S. remember Whanganui is still in 1950.
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:55am
  - srylands
    
    Cycleways will generate cyclists. Like Wellington Airport and the runway extension.. ‘build it and they will come’ ?
    
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    July 25, 2018 12:33pm
Surely Knott

Good article and quote about the shutting down and mobbing of Ben Shapiro and other conservative voices and very relevant to the recent debacle with Lauren S. – “The online mob picks through a writer’s past, finds the specific idea or tweet it finds most offensive, focuses on that idea, and then assures us that while it’s truly open to debate and dialogue, this guy (or girl) is beyond the pale. ” https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ben-shapiro-mark-duplass-twitter-sliming/
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July 25, 2018 9:40am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “offense archeologists” is a good term for the armies that go trawling through decades old digital footprints to find words to justify the burning of witches. Good article on Quillette on this very topic today:
  
  https://quillette.com/2018/07/23/the-public-humiliation-diet/
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:52am
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    Thanks for the link. Great article. Quilette is definitely one to add to the reading list.
    
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    July 25, 2018 12:21pm
ex-golfer

Here’s another opportunity for Phil Twyford to step in and bail out someone all in the name of #KiwiBuild

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12094532

Maybe he should get Rachel Smalley on the case.

#KiwiFail
#KiwiBuy
#KiwiBailout
#KiwiPutTaxpayersMoneyIntoDevelopersHands
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July 25, 2018 9:41am
ex-golfer

Isn’t it ironic that a former Minster for Arts, Culture & Heritage is the driving force behind stopping a charity concert being held in a stadium on a public holiday?
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July 25, 2018 9:43am
- RF
  
  The former minister is a bored old crone who has nothing else to do but make life miserable for good citizens trying to support a worth while cause.
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:45am
infused

No news about Isreal shooting down a plane hmm.
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July 25, 2018 9:50am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A 737 full of holiday makers or one with malicious intent like a Syrian fighter jet?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:54am
  - infused
    
    I’m not agaisnt it – just find it odd.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:04am
- dime
  
  what did the shoot down? a jet liner?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No, that’s what the Russians do.
    
    Israel shot down a Syrian fighter that strayed into their air space, sort of what the Syrians did to the two Russian fighters a little genocide or two ago.
    
    Bet the Israelis treat the downed pilot a lot better than the Syrians treated the Russian pilots.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:07am
    - Andrei
      
      No they shot down a Syrian Sukoi flying in Syrian airspace close to the Golan Heights – which is also Syrian territory currently under Istaeli occupation.
      
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      July 25, 2018 10:25am
    - dime
      
      ah ok, so another day at the office
      
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      July 25, 2018 11:40am
- rangitoto
  
  It’s on Al Jazeera.
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:29am
- realityczech
  
  No of course not. Its okay when Jews do it. Same as shooting kids.
  
  Israel is a nuclear armed rouge state that requires severe measures by the international community. They should be given 3 days to withdraw to the original borders or face annihilation.
  
  A buffer zone can be set up with an international security to force to keep both Israeli’s and Palestinians safe from each other.
  
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  July 25, 2018 5:16pm
ex-golfer

More City Council madness (surprise, surprise – from the Peoples Republic of Christchurch).

Short version:
1. Pensioner gets told by Council they can’t insulate her flat as per the new rules because of the flat design.
2. Pensioner gets second opinion from a contractor, who promptly does the job (paid by the contractor and the pensioners employer).
3. Pensioner now experiencing life in a warmer flat. Win for Pensioner, Council made to look stupid, but gets advantage of an improved property.
4. Council doubles down on its stupidity by
now insisting the pensioner agrees to restore the flat to its original condition if/when she moves on.

Only in NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105728688/she-insulated-her-christchurch-council-flat–now-she-says-shell-be-asked-to-remove-it-when-she-goes
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July 25, 2018 9:58am
- ross411
  
  Longer version, she has made extensive modifications including adding double glazed windows, and it is unclear whether she got permission.
  
  Is she right that the insulation was very possible to do safely? Very likely. But it’s not certain. How much difference did it make? What temperatures was she seeing before and after?
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:08am
  - ex-golfer
    
    I get your permission angle.
    But are you saying that adding insulation and double-glazing has not improved the property?
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:27am
- KevOB
  
  Bureaucrats trip up on common sense. The property has become non-standard but if the work is of a reasonable trade quality should be accepted.
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:49am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  These shitheads only have jobs in the council/govt because they and their stupidity would not last 5 seconds in the private sector. Common sense is not that common anymore.
  Drain the swamp
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:43pm
Albert_Ross

That was a sad article yesterday, about the guy in Taranaki who is worried about how he is going to support his family as the Government’s ban on oil and gas exploration starts to bite. I do hope he and others like him manage to find a way forward, maybe in Australia.

It serves as a reminder that while it’s hilarious to laugh together at the Government’s risible incompetence, there are real people out there whose real lives are suffering real consequences as a result of that incompetence.

Question – perhaps ztev or marquess can help with this – Which New Zealanders are actually better off under this Government than they would have been under National – ie, if National had been able to implement the proposals that they set out in their last Budget?

I get: Some beneficiaries who now no longer have to demonstrate that they are making any effort to help themselves in order to continue to get handouts handed out; and middle class parents with reduced costs for sending their already privileged and bright-futured offspring to University.

Anybody else?
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July 25, 2018 10:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Well said Albert
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Shane’s bro’s in Northland and the owners of good looking horses are pretty happy with this lot, thank you very much.
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:30am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Are Shane’s bros happy because they no longer have to get off the couch and look for work to collect their benefit?
    
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    July 25, 2018 11:06am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Don’t forget JAG has now taken up the cause of women who face Period Poverty & the campaign to remove SGT from sanitary products.
    
    Meaning everybody will be happy in the unicorn garden of NZ except for:
    – Anyone living in Taranaki who is dependent on the oil & gas industry for a living (they represent nasty capitalism and the unicorn garden doesn’t need nasty capitalism); and
    – middle age men who earn too much to claim any form of benefit. After all they are just men stopping women assuming their rightful place in the unicorn garden.
    
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    July 25, 2018 1:03pm
- Prince
  
  Those Pacific Islanders who have never visited NZ but now get NZ Super are pretty happy.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:19pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Well to be fair Albert, the two comrades you mention have been on here many times espousing the considerable benefits multi-generation welfarism has delivered New Zealand.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:38pm
iMP

Chch City Council recently flew a rainbow flag above the ratepayers’ Council in support of gayness. So, the disconnect between Chch and Auckland re advocacy and supporting political positions? Sometimes it’s ok, other times it’s not. It all depends on the politics, it seems, not any generic principal universally applied.

So let’s call it what it is. CAPTURE of PUBLIC ASSETS by political sub-groups.
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July 25, 2018 10:14am
- Inandout
  
  CCC, gayness. Does the CCC know the CEO of Westpac? A funny regarding that bank:
  
  ‘Westpac Whore:
  A woman that is married to a Sailor who immediately gives up the pussy to another man as soon as her husband’s ship leaves the pier.’
  
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  July 25, 2018 10:31am
Stars And Stripes

Questions for Marama Davidson.
1.Have you recovered those death and rape threats off your Twitter account yet?
2.Has a complaint been made with the Police?.
3.Have any screen shots of these tweets been publicly circulated yet as usually in these situations they are?.
4.If you answered “no” to the above questions do you think your credibility is now in question?.
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July 25, 2018 10:47am
- ex-golfer
  
  Don’t hold your breath.
  She was barking at cars and trying to be relevant.
  She has failed miserably.
  This will not be spoken of again.
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:00am
Fletch

A new climate study reveals the extent of sea level rise caused by Antarctic ice melt since 1958…. Three millimetres.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-17-0502.1
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July 25, 2018 10:59am
- DigNap15
  
  Gee at that rate, the whole of NZ will be under water by about the year 5500 AD.
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, it takes more than Arctic melt alone to cause sea level rises,
  
  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/sea-level-rise/
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:57am
- Inandout
  
  Which is exactly why Goff wanted to build his stadium on the waterfront. Rising sea levels is crap.
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And Shane just gave a heap of loot to Dunedin for their flashy new seaside harbour developments.
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/govt-chips-waterfront-project
    
    With Otago Harbour’s sealevel rise of 1.4mm/yr
    http://archive.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/environment/environmental-reporting-series/environmental-indicators/Home/Marine/coastal-sea-level-rise.aspx
    
    I don’t think there is much to worry about.
    
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    July 25, 2018 2:34pm
Fletch

The law keeping Britain under the jurisdiction of the EU will apply after exit day.

https://news.sky.com/story/law-keeping-uk-in-eu-will-continue-to-apply-after-brexit-11447180

What a complete shambles…
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July 25, 2018 11:02am
- DigNap15
  
  Teresa May is nearly as bad a traitor as Angel Merkel.
  Should have pushed hard for Brexit, no deals, just leave, and stay in the trade agreements if you can.
  No compensation, the UK pays enough.
  Call the EU’s bluff!
  Its dragged on far too long
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:26am
Stars And Stripes

Interesting announcement on refugees by the government last week highlighted for me how polarised politics has become in New Zealand.
When the supposedly right wing National refused to double the refugee quota everyone from opposition politicians to lobby groups to the media and of course the travelling salesman Murdoch Stephens were lambasting them for being heartless and not caring about a humanitarian emergency blah blah.
Now when the supposedly current left wing government effectively does the same thing if you ignore the weasel words about “still planning to do it in the future” the condemnation from the above parties has been virtually non existent and in fact the whole announcement barely created a ripple.
Sad in my opinion because all it confirms is that a lot of people kicking up a fuss about things don’t necessarily care about the issue at hand, for them it is just another tool to grind their political axe with.
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July 25, 2018 11:16am
- Swifty
  
  You’re right – I’ve watched that exact thing for years.
  
  The left have no principles – everything is tactics.
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:56pm
howitis

Oh dear, how sad, never mind!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/105706707/tv3owner-mediaworks-raises-possibility-it-might-have-to-pull-out-of-television

So, Media jerks may chuck in the TV side of things.
ello ello ello
They supposedly made a $6 million ‘loss’ in the 2017 year on the telly component.

Hey buddy, what about the $18+ million pa of direct taxpayer funding via NZ on Air?
Without that the loss would be much larger.
Mediaworks TV would be out the door without taxpayer subsidy for Jono and Ben, 7 Days etc
They buy mass produced paint by numbers crap from the USA.
Alphabet soup stuff:- CSI [insert town] NCIS [insert town] and so on.
They show ‘anything but reality’ dross year round.

July 20th 2018 NZ on Air funding includes :
10 episodes of ‘Westside’ $6.9 million – so 700k per episode of low rent stuff
2 x 90 minute episodes on Jonah Lomu – a guy who played good rugby last century – $5.4 million
https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/july-2018-funding-decisions/

What would be the real loss if they close it down?
Very little I imagine.
The so called ‘news’ is so biased that it is pointless. There are so many sources for weather now why even bother with that on TV.
It is a job creation scheme. Two people to read ‘news’ interspersed with lots of adverts. Then sports people. Then so called weather.
Give it up.
There is so little first run stuff that have to preface it with ‘All new…’ if there is actually something not on repeat.

The comedy is that Mediaworks say in submissions:
…MediaWorks argued in its submission that independent media was a necessity for “a well-functioning democracy”…
Why can’t they have that sort of comedy on the taxpayer funded ‘7 Days’ ?

Duncan Gooner would have to find a job to keep paying his child maintenance to various exes but he appears to be hopeless with money despite a good income.
Ruby lips would have to get a job but 15 years on a good wicket starting when house prices were much lower (and still cant afford one) means this 40 year old spinster and cat-lady-in-training is hopeless with what she earns anyway.
One further fantastic gain from shutting down TV3 and its cohort is that Bryan Bruce would have to find another outlet for his ambush mockumentaries run just prior to elections.

Please Mr Anderson, just shut it down.
Today would be good.
More to the point:- it is a weakly disguised plea for more Govt (taxpayers)money.
This outfit is owned by an overseas USD 100 billion hedge fund, Oaktree Capital Management.
Why are they nickel and diming with this low rent outfit in a sunset industry?
Pink Floyd. The Wall. Nobody home:
…Got thirteen channels of shit on the T.V. to choose from….
Commercial TV had its day.
Move on.

Oh, and redirect the near $20 million wasted by NZ on Air at TV3 for dross to fund cochlear implants and mental health facilities.
e.g. …An $8 million co-response service would see a mental health worker attend all crisis calls along with police and ambulance staff.
But Health Minister David Clark has dumped the programme, which was due to begin in September….
Money on this…or 10 episodes of ‘Westside’ .
It’s not rocket science!
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July 25, 2018 11:25am
- kowtow
  
  I’d love to see both 1 and 3 go under. The taxpayer would save a fortune.
  
  Just about every thing they say is anti Trump , global warming , Islamoterrorhugging, anti Israel everything , celebrity shit, doer upper shit, cooking shit, shit shit , all shit.
  
  Bye bye down the shitter.
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:38am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Drain the swamp – 1 and 3 are part of the swamp.
    Also, don’t watch a channel with a number lower than 10. You will feel better, I promise
    
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    July 25, 2018 12:52pm
- softail 1450
  
  NZ television is for the already brain dead,absolute diabolical rubbish, thank god for a smart television and the internet.
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:08pm
DigNap15

@Howitis

Agree with most of what you say.
But we need programs like Westside and Jonah Lomu, and local news (non biased)
The same should apply to TV1

I think that just about every country in the world subsides some sort of public broadcasting.

So lets just have one decent non commercial channel that shows NZ made stuff only.
The rest can go on commercial tv
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July 25, 2018 11:31am
- stephieboy
  
  DiNap15,
  “..and local news (non biased)..”
  
  Now I wonder what that would involve?
  
  Faux Fox etc ?
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:42am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes an NZ equivalent of Fox News would be great, and is well overdue!
    
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    July 25, 2018 12:52pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      It will make a change from the NZ versions of CNN we have now from 1 and 3.
      
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      July 25, 2018 7:09pm
- howitis
  
  DigNap:-
  ‘So let’s just have one decent non commercial channel that shows NZ made stuff only.’
  
  Maori TV anyone!
  Non commercial; fully funded by taxpayer.
  Last I looked this was $70 million a year, funded.
  Whether it is decent I don’t know but could there be enough material in NZ to fund a quality TV station?
  We would end up with heaps of Topp twins, Rhys Darby and low rent tragedy.
  Reruns of Gloss? Melody rules? ABWM (anything but white males)
  
  TV7 from last decade had some reasonable documentaries – in an era where such thing is a rarity -but these were mostly overseas made. In fact the only ones I watched were overseas made.
  
  We don’t need a government subsidising the horse and buggy (unless the horse is good looking) and we don’t need a government subsidising, let alone fully paying for, 1950/60s era terrestrial TV.
  Its time has passed.
  The TV device moved half a decade ago into being a monitor for showing things from multiple sources on a bigger screen than your computer or smart phone.
  I find a TV unit is useful as a security device flickering way while out in the evening. I also have a 32 inch TV device on my desk for conference calls and to project things like Youtube onto. It is a handy HDMI connected monitor.
  Watch 6pm propaganda. Not on your Nelly.
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:59pm
  - Longknives
    
    Take those comments back-Melody Rules was a fantastic show!
    I won’t hear a bad word about Belinda Todd- Giggity!…
    
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    July 25, 2018 1:08pm
    - starboard
      
      Bring back Home Front with dickhead Dave Cull as presenter..and Alison Mau from memory?
      
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      July 25, 2018 4:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Winston not very impressed with a letter from Nauru asylum seekers.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/362519/nz-leader-pours-cold-water-on-refugee-plea

They should have waited until Jacinda was back in charge.
She wouldn’t have poured cold water on these folks, would she?
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July 25, 2018 11:38am
- DigNap15
  
  Why are they still there?
  Surely you’d think they’d give up now and go home.
  They have just wasted 5 years of their lives getting nowhere and doing nothing.
  Whilst their friends back home might be married, having a family or a job or a business.
  
  Or do they still think that NZ or Aussie will give them a house and free money for life?
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:55pm
Manolo

Multiculturalism across the Tasman:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5985243/The-Sydney-suburb-Sudanese-immigrants-Australia-no-African-gang-violence.html

Melbourne suburbs like Tarneit have been experiencing a surge of violence from African youth over the last few years – with the Apex gang one of the most well-known group of trouble makers.
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July 25, 2018 11:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , reminds us of those “dreadful Somali” Auckland gangs of longtimes past.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=887397
  
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  July 25, 2018 11:44am
Fletch

Yes, Trump’s agreement with North Korea is bearing fruit –

In an important first step towards fulfilling a commitment made by Kim Jong Un at the June 12 Singapore Summit, new commercial satellite imagery of the Sohae Satellite Launching Station (North Korea’s main satellite launch facility since 2012) indicates that the North has begun dismantling key facilities. Most notably, these include the rail-mounted processing building—where space launch vehicles are prepared before moving them to the launch pad—and the nearby rocket engine test stand used to develop liquid-fuel engines for ballistic missiles and space launch vehicles. Since these facilities are believed to have played an important role in the development of technologies for the North’s intercontinental ballistic missile program, these efforts represent a significant confidence building measure on the part of North Korea.

Dismantlement at the Launch Pad

Commercial satellite imagery of the launch pad from July 20 shows that the rail-mounted processing/transfer structure has been moved to the middle of the pad, exposing the underground rail transfer point—one of the few times it has been seen in this location. The roof and supporting structure have been partially removed and numerous vehicles are present—including a large construction crane. An image from two days later shows the continued presence of the crane and vehicles. Considerable progress has been made in dismantling the rail-mounted processing/transfer structure. One corner has been completely dismantled and the parts can be seen lying on the ground.

https://www.38north.org/2018/07/sohae072318/
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July 25, 2018 12:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It would be nice to be optimistic, but does the dismantling (to the extent it can be verified) of staellite launch and nuclears testing facilities mean anything more than North Korea now has the missiles and warheads in place to provide a credible deterrent?
  
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  July 25, 2018 12:56pm
- rangitoto
  
  Stephieboy will be happy about Trump’s success.
  
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  July 25, 2018 1:28pm
  - Happychappy
    
    What amuses me of some that want to get rid of Simon Bridges are the same people that wanted rid of Bill English and a few of them voted for Winston at the last Election. Judith Collins would be my pick if there was a Leadership challange but her baggage will see National lose the next Election if it happens.
    
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    July 25, 2018 3:46pm
  - Que Sera Sera
    
    Like this success Rangi.
    
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868
    
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    July 25, 2018 3:58pm
DigNap15

@Fletch
Well they need to hurry up and let US or UN inspectors in and shut everything down and dismantle it, so that the US can lift the sanctions.
If not until then keep the sanctions on, especially those Chinese and Russian back doors.
And I’d make them move all of their artillery back say 50 miles from the border.
Then I’d give them lots of help, but to the people, not the regime.
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July 25, 2018 12:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why would they hurry? The Chinese, Russians and South Koreans are going to keep trading with them, and now they have their nuclear deterrent how would anyoner ‘make’ them move their artillery?
  
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  July 25, 2018 2:03pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Oh well, if you think they are all still trading wit them, the USA and Japan need to ramp up the sanctions and start stopping and searching the ships and trains etc.
    Hard sanctions is the one thing Kim Jung Un repsonds to.
    And drop food parcels in the poor areas, to show them what they are missing out on.
    
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    July 25, 2018 3:29pm
Inandout

What is it with John Cadogan on his video segments. I used to quite enjoy his risque comments but he now seems to be going all ‘climate change’ or trying to piss off Christians. Not quite brave enough to mention Allah or wear Muslim t-shirts, but all out on non Muslims. He certainly knows his motor vehicles but when he veers off into other areas he sounds a bit la la.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrQ3vygCwkc
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July 25, 2018 12:58pm
Paulus

I keep my peace with the worse Government in living memory – and only six months.
We will go two blue ticks anyway.
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July 25, 2018 2:04pm
softail 1450

FFS,Simon Bridges is a nice person but he is out of his depth taking on the disgusting ferret Peters,
there must be a change of leadership soon or the Nats are fricked…..
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July 25, 2018 2:08pm
- rangitoto
  
  Most people don’t take the slightest bit of notice of what happens in QT.
  
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  July 25, 2018 3:21pm
hullkiwi

Guys yesterday Moique asked where Goofy got off about Auckland’s ever expanding rail and transport projects.

For ages I have been commenting about the direct link between a certain Transport Blog and the Mayor’s policy office.

Well guys, here is a link with living proof that public policy in NZ and Auckland is now being delivered by lobby groups…

Read the following link and weep for Auckland and NZ!

https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2018/07/25/city-rail-link-to-be-future-proofed/
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July 25, 2018 2:21pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Oi you lot. When do we get something for the North Shore? Rails and stations and park and rail parks.
  Let’s face it, North Shore will be paying shitloads and getting fucking nothing for the next 60 years.
  Oh, can we opt out of paying? User pays and all that shit
  
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  July 25, 2018 5:39pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Steve tough. Steve you have to appreciate 2 things:
    1. Majority rules in democracies. The smaller population areas of the Shore, Rodney, Waiheke & Franklin will always get screwed by the representatives of the larger areas. It doesn’t help when North Shore wards elect the likes of Darby, Hills, & Watson. These guys political beliefs are not aligned with those of their constituents; and
    2. The Shore, HBC/Bays, Rodney & Franklin are the cash cows that help prop up the finances of Auckland city, so why would Goofy spend money there? After all they are not going to vote for him.
    
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    July 25, 2018 5:56pm
Manolo

Pocahontas strikes again!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/fake-indian-elizabeth-warren-suggests-50-democrat-tax-rates-calls-trump-tax-bonuses-crumbs-video/

Elizabeth Warren told CNBC Democrats will end the Trump tax cuts if they take power in November.

Warren also promoted a 50% tax hike on American earners.
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July 25, 2018 3:06pm
Komata

Manolo

And the MSM response will be ?

‘Crickets….’
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July 25, 2018 3:34pm
Happychappy

Has Ron Mark followed other Coalition Ministers who have faced problems in their Portfolios and leveled the blame on National for the serious allegations concerning our Defence Force.
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July 25, 2018 3:34pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think he has certainly had a go at previous administrations about some issues.
  I’m not sure he would be commenting about sexual misconduct allegations while they are still the subject of investigations and potential military or civil criminal processes. Do you think he should be?
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:12pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The ‘nine years of neglect’ thing is certainly wearing a bit thin.
  Which ‘nine years’ are they talking about – 1999-2008 or 2008- 2017?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:07pm
Viking2

Goff had his arse kicked and shown to be a liar.
HA.
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July 25, 2018 3:48pm
Morrissey

“Cowardly.”
Lieut. Col. TIM KEATING has some serious questions to answer.
The Panel, RNZ National, Wednesday 27 June 2018
Jim Mora, Paula Penfold, Allan Blackman, Caitlin Cherry

Paula Penfold’s challenge starts at the 04:44 mark.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/2018651165/panel-says

JIM MORA: Thank you, that’s interesting from you. Allan Blackman. And—Paula Penfold.
PAULA PENFOLD: I would like to talk about the soon to be departed Chief of Defence, Lieutenant General Tim Keating, who I see has been doing a series of media interviews today. I haven’t heard it yet, unfortunately, but I understand he was on Nine to Noon this morning with Kathryn Ryan, and I know that he’s done at least one other interview with journalists, I imagine there are probably more. I find that intriguing, because we at Stuff Circuit have been asking Lieutenant General Keating for an interview for four years now. And, knowing that he was about to depart his post, we went to see him as he was departing a Select Committee a couple of weeks ago.

He wasn’t, I suppose it has to be said, best pleased to see us, but we did get to ask him a couple of questions because we have been doing this investigation for quite some time now. And after we published The Valley in August last year he put out a thirty-four page statement responding to much of what we said, and said that he would be investigating the allegations that we raised abut the 2004 battle in Uruzgan, which led to the Victoria Cross for Willie Apiata. Now I wanted to know what had happened with that investigation because he said that he would be responding publicly and then he never did, so I wanted to know whether that was going anywhere. And he said yes indeed, that it was undergoing a legal investigation but I’m interested in the fact that this man who, this Chief of Defence who held a conference on transparency in the NZDF at the end of last year, has elected to do some media interviews, and I’m sure those journalists did a very good job, but they’re not the ones who have been investigating and publishing these allegations; we are, and he won’t answer my questions.

I’ve issued a public apolog— uh, “apology”!—a public invitation to him on this very program previously to front up and answer some questions from us because these are allegations that are serious allegations about what our SAS troopers did in that firefight, including that we provoked that firefight ourselves, that we mistreated the bodies of the dead enemy by strapping them to the bonnets of our military vehicles and dropping them on the ground in the village bazaar, that we kicked in doors, and that we flexi-cuffed innocent civilians. He has not answered those questions. He does say that there’s an investigation under way, but he will be departed by the time that investigation is completed, and he said yes it’s the warrant of his office under which that investigation happens. But I thank that personally, as the, you know, chief executive of a government department, he should have fronted and answered those questions before he left. And so I think Lieutenant General Keating, in making the selective choices he has about media appearances, has been cowardly. And I would also like to add that we have had contact from very, very many serving soldiers who say that he will not be missed.
JIM MORA: All right, so you’re seeking further elucidation from the outgoing Chief of Defence before he finally departs.
PAULA PENFOLD: I am. He said when we fronted up to him at parliament that he will not be tried by media, to which I said, That’s not the intent, the intent is simply to answer, uh, to ask you some questions. That’s all we want to do.
JIM MORA: Paula Penfold, Allan Blackman on the Panel. Thank you both.

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-valley/#

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/stuff-circuit/104709342/defence-boss-tim-keating-launches-investigation-into-2004-sas-raid
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July 25, 2018 4:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  I hope they discover that even more terrorists were taken out than originally thought.
  
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  July 25, 2018 4:49pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You’re a fool. Nobody cares what you think.
    
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    July 25, 2018 5:35pm
    - holysheet
      
      look in the mirror dumb arse.
      
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      July 25, 2018 5:41pm
      - stigie
        
        Has Morrissey fronted with the sordid groper yet who infested the Labour teen fest camp…?
        Perhaps he’s next on his list !~
        
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        July 25, 2018 5:53pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Morrissey updated his GroperWatch list yesterday – featuring Justin Trudeau.
        
        Next up: the Labour Party groper who has apparently been supported by everyone from the Prime Minister down?
        
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        July 25, 2018 5:59pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Nice to see you cared enough to reply.
      
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      July 25, 2018 8:12pm
realityczech

The cheek of these murderous Jews is incredible. They are illegally invading other countries, gunning down civilians, and then claim a jet invaded their airspace, over land they stole.

Nato needs to respond massively and remove the current regime.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-shoots-down-syrian-fighter-jet-penetrating-israeli-airspace-1.6311928
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July 25, 2018 5:21pm
- Morrissey
  
  Please don’t call the criminal regime in Tel Aviv “the Jews”. It doesn’t represent Jewish people any more than Robert Mugabe’s regime represents “the Africans.”
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/antisemitisim-jews-israel-labour-party-bds-jewish-coalition-palestine-a8458601.html
  
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  July 25, 2018 5:57pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes true. I did qualify it with “these” rather than “the” [Jews].
    
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    July 25, 2018 6:01pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Nato needs to respond massively and remove the current regime.
  
  Well done RC for using the juices Neuro linguistic programming right back at them. A “regime” as the MSM now uses it just means a popular leader whose country does not have a Rothschild Central Bank. A “democracy” means a country where both parties are puppets of the ruling class – literally 2 cheeks of the same arse putting on an elaborate dog and pony show.
  
  Keep using the Juices verbal tricks back at them❗
  
  My favourite examples of such hypocrisy:
  – when Germany sought to reclaim land in Poland that had been German for centuries = “Lebensraum”. When Jews illegally build houses on land that has never been theirs = “settlements”.
  – France and Britain declaring war on Germany (but not Russia) for Germany reclaiming German land in Poland = “Nazi aggression”. Israel invading other countries unprovoked in the 6 day war = “Self-defence”.
  – Reich laws (based on the Talmud!) on who can be a member of the Reich = “race purity laws”. Marriage declared illegal in Israel between Jews and Goyim =”protecting the future of the Jewish nation”.
  
  Any more?
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    This blog is a good little money spinner for these kids:
    
    Back in August of last year, a statement from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office announced that the Israeli government would be giving scholarships to college students who, “engage international audiences online” by posting pro-Israel tweets/statuses etc. online.
    
    http://thehigherlearning.com/2014/07/11/israels-government-is-paying-college-students-to-spread-pro-israel-propaganda-on-social-media/
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nazis gotta be Nazis, I guess.
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:26pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Thanks Mikenmild – In the current year, I take being called a 1930s German National Socialist as a badge of honour.
      I must be doing something right❗
      
      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/come-on-its-2015-current-year
      
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      July 25, 2018 7:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m only calling you a Nazi because of your previous proud adoption of that label.
        Your comment about Poland amused me. Where will you go if the Polynesians reclaim this land, in the same way your dear old Nazis made room in Poland for resettlement?
        
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        July 25, 2018 7:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        milky are you talking about the settlers that moved back to their historic Germanic homelands, exercising their right of return?
        
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        July 25, 2018 7:39pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Where will I go?
        
        I remember Jason Johns shared some excellent links on KB that refutes preposterous claims that NZ was settled by Polynesians and instead was first settled by YT.
        
        we’ve got more claim to NZ than certain middle eastern tribes have to their “ancient home” based on biblical stories.
        
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        July 25, 2018 7:40pm
    - realityczech
      
      milky, Thanks for the compliment it is very flattering. However my contributions to humanity are very modest compared to the achievements of the Nazis.
      
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      July 25, 2018 7:31pm
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    What’s Nato got to do with it?
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:27pm
    - realityczech
      
      Nato usually acts against rogue states, but not this one. Because – religion.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:32pm
- rangitoto
  
  The Russians will object to removing Assad.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:10pm
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… A young production assistant who worked on the 2017 bank heist comedy Going in Style told the broadcaster Freeman “kept trying to lift up my skirt and asking if I was wearing underwear”.

She alleged Freeman subjected her to unwanted touching and comments about her figure and clothing on an almost daily basis.

The actor, 80, is said to have made comments about women’s clothing or their bodies in front of multiple witnesses and even on camera.

CNN said seven people had described Freeman’s pattern of inappropriate behaviour at Revelations Entertainment, the production company he founded in 1996 with a stated mission to “reveal truth”.

Freeman set up the company with Lori McCreary, the current president of the Producers Guild Association, who has championed the #MeToo and Time’s Up movements.

CNN also said it had spoken to three entertainment reporters who claimed Freeman made inappropriate remarks during interviews.

They included CNN reporter Chloe Melas, who was pregnant at the time and co-wrote the investigation into Freeman.

She alleged the actor shook her hand and repeatedly looked her up and down and said “I wish I was there” and “You are ripe” after they met at a press event for Going in Style last year. ….

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/morgan-freeman-sexual-harassment-women-allegations-metoo-inappropriate-behaviour-chloe-melas-a8367876.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-morgan-freeman/actor-morgan-freeman-apologizes-after-accusations-idUSKCN1IR076

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- realityczech
  
  You are a groper Morrissey.
  
  Now add you own name to the list of accused. Because you only require an accusation to establish guilt.
  
  These lying sluts fucked their way to the top and are now crying victim.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:14pm
NZDirect

So let me get this right, the COL is taking a hard line on alleged misconduct of a sexual nature at a NZ Army Camp. Wow, how short is their memory on running camps? What a bunch of hypocritical parasitical maggots this clueless COL are! I would imagine there is a pretty simple precedent that has been set by the Labour Party sexual assault camps in which we have no media follow up.
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July 25, 2018 6:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Yep different when they do it. We see it with politics and religion. Totally different standards apply from one group to the next.
  
  I hope the little kiddies that were sexually attacked are healing. I believe both girls and a wee boy were assaulted by Labour members.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:24pm
Monique Watson

Have you heard of the latest disease to come out of the Deepest darkest mostly unexplored? It’s called Ligma.
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July 25, 2018 6:23pm
- realityczech
  
  Fake. Like bird and swine flu’s
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:27pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    As fake as a commenting parrot.
    
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    July 25, 2018 6:34pm
Monique Watson

No. It’s a real phenomenon. The full medical classification is Ligma Balls.
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July 25, 2018 6:36pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Is that a typo?
  Should it be Likma?
  
  Just asking
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:13pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Had that debate with the teens in my house tonight. Probably should be Likma.
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:03pm
- simpleton1
  
  Probably needs a “lingam massage”
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:15pm
waikatogirl

Jan Logie’s bill has now been passed into law that those suffering domestic abuse are now eligible for 10 days extra annual leave.

A Vodafone spokesman says “it is a great idea because employers can help them through the abuse and may be able to retain them as employees.”

Wait for those who take advantage of this 10 days extra freebie. No way of checking by the mean (sceptical) employer who is paying for the leave!? ?
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July 25, 2018 6:41pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t forget that this is the mob who want to bring in evidence free rape trials.
  
  It seems that women never ever lie about anything.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:48pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    They will bankrupt business’ and the country before they have finished virtue signalling.
    
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    July 25, 2018 6:53pm
  - GoVege
    
    Are you sure they’re still going to do that nasska?
    Something tells me that someone has already advised them that was a pretty dumb idea. 🙂
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not a fan of such a specific provisions, but good employers will give their workers as much time as they need when things are tough. There will always be few people who abuse any generosity, but outfits that look after their people properly do better. BTW, that also includes showing the good people, who are almost always the vast majority, that slackers and fakes don’t get rewarded.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:52pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Good employers would happily look after their employees who are having personal problems without the CoL making it mandatory mm. The slackers and fakes will always try it on, making it harder for employees with legitimate problems.
    
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    July 25, 2018 6:57pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You could have simply said you agree with me.
      
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      July 25, 2018 7:02pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Still don’t get why domestic abuse is being held up as more worthy than other crimes such as assault or robbery which I would have thought would be equally traumatic but you will still need to take sick leave or annual leave for.
  Oh that’s right this legislation has been pushed by the feminists in parliament to give special treatment to women who will be the biggest users of this leave.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:55pm
  - GoVege
    
    Stripes: the real reason domestic abuse deserves legislation is because the home is “supposed” to be the one place you can feel safe.
    You can avoid getting beaten up on the street by not going out after dark for instance, or avoiding isolated locations, but how do you avoid being bashed or threatened behind closed doors in your own home?
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:34pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Ever heard of home invasion?
      Obviously not worth 2 weeks for feminists but a slap in the face is apparently.
      
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      July 25, 2018 8:57pm
      - GoVege
        
        Home invasions are pretty rare and you generally don’t live in perpetual fear of them, as victims of DV do.
        It’s not the slap.
        It’s the fear of what’s coming next.
        
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        July 25, 2018 10:45pm
- realityczech
  
  Men should take it too. Wife nagging you? that is a form of violence. Take two weeks off.
  
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  July 25, 2018 6:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’d like some special leave when my parrot squawks too much.
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:03pm
    - realityczech
      
      Communists shouldn’t be allowed parrots. They need someone intelligent to interact with.
      
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      July 25, 2018 7:10pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Downticks on KB would have to class as a form of emotional violence so another two weeks there as well.
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:11pm
    - nasska
      
      Ztev, Hugh & Stephieboy would accumulate enough leave in the first week that they’d never need to work again. 🙂
      
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      July 25, 2018 7:15pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The message being: don’t hire women from groups most prone to domestic abuse.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:00pm
Monique Watson

Doesn’t anyone have a sense of humour tonight? ligma balls. Jayzuz Joseph and Mary

Also Mcdonalds is going down the shitter as it screws with Ray Krocs vision. Why the fuck would you roll up to Maccas for a shit “gourmet meal”? Given all the other options.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12095165

Should’ve stuck with big macs, fries and McChickens all fried in beef fat.
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July 25, 2018 6:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Maybe you need to work on your material.
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:03pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  McDs have been ‘making to order’ for some time.
  Ain’t fast and sure ain’t food.
  No reason to visit McDs at all.
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:35pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105754920/south-waikato-woman-caught-in-a-flap
Thick. 15 mins of fame.
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July 25, 2018 7:00pm
- Longknives
  
  Sir Isaac Newton invented the Cat Flap.
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Apocryphal. The story goes that he was annoyed by the cat scratching at the door, so had a carpenter cut a hole for his cat, and a smaller hole for her kittens…
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:48pm
Lance

TVone news was extra far left tonight.
They character assassinated Ray Avery, implying fraud and competence when they wheeled out some dried up old fuckwit who worked on the pod SIX fucking years ago, this clown isn’t sure it’s finished ready for production. All because saint Hulun was criticized.
The next 3 items all had anti-National or lefty slants with negative words used wherever possible.
CUNTS
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July 25, 2018 7:14pm
- realityczech
  
  I hope you washed in bleach before coming here 🙂
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:15pm
  - Lance
    
    🙂
    One must experience a little self flagellation every now and then
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:18pm
- Longknives
  
  Yep.
  The guy is taking on Helen and Jacinda (TVNZ’s Messiahs!)
  They will move heaven and earth to character assassinate him- Expect them to unearth some grainy footage of him eating babies next..
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:27pm
  - fernglas
    
    There are some interesting articles on Newsroom about this whole thing.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:45pm
- niggly
  
  Hmmm ….. dirt released to the MSM (and at a most opportune time) …. character assassinations …..
  
  Well well well, it’s as if we’ve been transported back to 1999-2008, now who was “famous” for such tactics back then?!!!
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:40pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Ray Avery should tell NZ to get fucked and take his expertise to country that will be appreciative of his efforts to support the survival of prematurely born babies.
  
  The childless hag Clark can then face up to the 1000’s of parents who could have benefited from his work. I wish that bitch would choke and drown on her bile.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:43pm
- ex-golfer
  
  The dried up ex-employee better have a good lawyer.
  Defamation can be an expensive thing to defend.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:48pm
nasska

An old story with a new twist. Wait for it……

….” Father Michael (Paul) Shirres, who had lectured in Māori theology at the University of Auckland and wrote several books on Māori spirituality, confessed to sexually abusing a young girl”…..

Imagine that; a “girl”!

Other than that, all normal. Usual Catholic hierarchy cover up & fudging.

….”it was known within church circles as early as 1966 that Shirres was an active child abuser when he returned to Auckland”…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=12095195
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July 25, 2018 7:29pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m still somewhat offended that in 10 years of Catholic Education I wasn’t even looked at by either the Priests or the Christian Brothers!
  Perhaps my shorts weren’t tight enough?
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:31pm
  - nasska
    
    You were probably missing the “X” factor that makes religious leaders want to rip your jockey juniors off you & bend you over the altar.
    
    Better luck next reincarnation! 🙂
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:35pm
    - stigie
      
      Being bent over the altar like that and the Father giving you a good one and as a good employer, how many Sundays would one be given off under this new bill..?
      
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      July 25, 2018 8:05pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Some kids are just too ugly, even after a long morning guzzling the Lord’s blood.
    
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    July 25, 2018 7:41pm
Monique Watson

I’m a hearing you Lance. That Eloise Gibson, and what the fuck have I have ever heard her wank on about before, sounds like a nonentity, is out for blood.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/24/164742/can-ray-avery-turn-promises-into-reality#
Avery is doing something genuine. If it’s not perfect technology this time it wouldn’t hurt to fund raise to further such a worthy cause. It’s just the Helen cult and the stupid leftie wenches who get in behind. It’s not like he’s proposing an ACDC concert a month after. Mind you. That was one of the best concerts I ever went to in Wellington. Westpac stadium. brilliant. That might be a great draw-card for saving babies lives.
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July 25, 2018 7:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You should think about donating, Monique. It’s a good cause:
  https://thelifepod.co.nz/
  You could directly contribute to more premature central american babies growing up healthy enough to emigrate to California and do your housework.
  
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  July 25, 2018 7:46pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Fuck MMM, you know nothing about the thousands I’ve donated yearly to similar causes and I’m well aware of that cause, but currently boosting a sister school over the Bay. And I have to pony up $4000 in “school donations”, over the coming weeks.
    BTW There is nothing wrong with housework. I started off in housekeeping. I might have a little help around the compound now but I’m the one who mainly cleans the shitters.
    And there are six of them. I put through 8 loads of laundry a day and I couldn’t do without my Mexican housekeeper who is like my surrogate Mom, being as I’ve fucked off over here from NZ without any family. We’ve worked together for four years. I get a little screwy every now and then with allergies and stress and she takes one look at me, boils the kettle and makes me a ginger tea.
    Her English has got better and I’m learning Spanish and fuck me if you can’t get a better shrimp quesadilla than from the Mexican Restaurant off the Boulevard.
    There is no exploitation. There is love and appreciation. There is an employer/ employee relationship. We’re glad to be in each others lives. That’s how it used to be in New Zealand.
    
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    July 25, 2018 8:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s great. And with more help from the Lifepods, even more babies form the third world will be able to survive to adulthood in whichever country they choose to move to.
      It’s also great to hear how generous you are with your other charitable work.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @mikenmildagain
    
    That is an offensive post.
    You may be unaware that MW had premature twins.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/avery_vs_clark.html#comment-2250810
    I suspect she knows a damn more about good causes than you ever will.
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You should report my comment if it offended you. I was unaware that she had premature babies, so I am even happier to be able to give her a link to the lifepods so that she can help premature babies in the third world get the care that they need too.
      I suspect lots of things too.
      
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      July 25, 2018 9:33pm
      - Lance
        
        Congrates MMA… you have attained maximum vile generation. The sisterhood will welcome you into the coven now.
        
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        July 25, 2018 10:13pm
Doubledimp

So there is specific domestic abuse leave policy now. Is it available to men as well?
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July 25, 2018 8:44pm
- realityczech
  
  Government departments have been pushing anti male hate propaganda recently and telling female staff they are victims and men are abusers.
  
  Now they get rewarded with 2 weeks leave for making false accusations against their partner.
  
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  July 25, 2018 8:49pm
  - DigNap15
    
    That will mean less jobs for women.
    No wonder we have low productividy in NZ.
    There are so many leave days, holidays. etc etc
    
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    July 25, 2018 9:25pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Just another reason to employ a man over a woman.
  1. No risk of the man falling pregnant and taking off for 26 weeks (leaving the employer with the need to backfill the vacancy).
  2. Less chance of having to pay for domestic abuse leave.
  3. Less random “days of the month” off.
  
  Do the feminazis ever consider the unintended consequences of their quest to constantly screw over men in the workforce?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

One of the 5 men arrested for throwing acid on a 3-year old child is the boy’s father.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/24/one-men-arrested-worcester-acid-attack-boys-father-7754435/
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July 25, 2018 8:57pm
- realityczech
  
  Worth it for the cultural enrichment they bring?
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  At this moment I am thinking of an unconventional use for a woodchipper.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:38pm
  - Lance
    
    And slowly….. mm by mm
    
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    July 25, 2018 10:14pm
Monique Watson

I’m right fucked off there is no news on the Prime Minister’s plans to return.. If she’s drawing a fucking wage that the tax-payers are up for, then we should be getting weekly updates about Cabinet. Either Winston or Robertson should be fronting up to the press but as far as I can see, it’s radio silence. Meanwhile Neve is on the titty and that’s all that counts and security is there to nurse her when the parents have had enough.
I fed all my kids for eighteen months. Their lips didn’t leave my tits for a year except for the boy twin who had an underdeveloped jaw.
I had Five healthy kids in adversary. Stroke paralysed me on the second. Jacinda/Gayford have no idea. How can she possibly fucking run a country?
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July 25, 2018 9:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps you should subscribe to the news sources that provide regular, reliable coverage of the weekly post-Cabinet press conferences.
  
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  July 25, 2018 9:35pm
Doubledimp

My partner (who would benefit from medicinal cannabis due to a chronic condition) dropped the C-bomb when watching Winston double-talking and smirking about reform law. I had to double-take!
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July 25, 2018 9:42pm
Monique Watson

I wouldn’t report you mikenmildagain. I get a little cray cray when there’s no-one around to argue with my beliefs. I’ve been that way since I was a yoof. Night Night.
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July 25, 2018 10:36pm
Jack5

Tony Abbott climbs into Victoria’s African gang crime problem.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/there-is-a-problem-tony-abbott-questions-all-african-immigration-amid-gang-violence-debate-20180725-p4ztmh.html
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July 26, 2018 1:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Wow, the poor girl that was killed does not look South Sudanese to me.
  
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  July 26, 2018 6:43am
  - Jack5
    
    There are scores of racial groups in South Sudan. The Dinka, the folk probably best known in the West, are very dark, but there are also Arabs and Africans of Somali-like ethnicity.
    
    Then there’s this:
    
    http://www.theniles.org/en/articles/archive/1626/
    
    But, there are very attractive women in South Sudan:
    https://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/113277379_4f3608cdf4.jpg
    
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