General Debate 23 July 2018

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Steve (North Shore)

Guess what?
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July 23, 2018 8:01am
- srylands
  
  What?
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:03am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    You are supposed to guess
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:04am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Ask me, ask me!
      
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      July 23, 2018 8:10am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I can’t wait! GD is back!
        
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        July 23, 2018 8:11am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Sheldon is my friend, Ztev not so much
        
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        July 23, 2018 8:18am
      - starboard
        
        Apology.
        
        Yesterday I called Steve Chadwick a lesbian.
        My mistake, It was Maryan Street who I was thinking of.
        I sincerely apologise for calling SC a lesbian.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:14am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Kudos to you for admitting your mistake and apologising starboard.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:40am
      - kowtow
        
        starboard
        
        Did you spend the night thinking about lesbians ?
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:41am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      All wrong. I have the man flu, so gonna be lazy for a few days. All you welfare shitheads ok with that? seeing as I will not be paying Tax to support your lazy arses?
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:53am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Why are you asking their permission?
        It’s not like they ask yours.
        Get well soon.
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:33am
- Inandout
  
  Sunday was indeed a day of rest, in the general sense of the word.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:09am
- Monique Watson
  
  In reply to Steve: Someone had a baby.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:42am
- igm
  
  Lees-Galloway has instructed MSM not to cover the two speakers that are now allowed to visit and speak in NZ. Bet the scum unions will be implementing penalties for anyone non-compliant.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:04am
  - Inandout
    
    But Neve, remember the baby, lots of MSM. As for Sleez-Gallway…
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:35am
  - suzieq
    
    He can’t do that …
    
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    July 23, 2018 4:27pm
Captain Mainwaring

Went to Masterton on Saturday. The difference in the price of 91 octane between Masterton and Lower Hutt is now 3 to 6 cents per litre. Before the Auckland fuel tax went on it was 12 to 15 cents per litre because of the Gull effect.
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that the rest of the country is now helping to pay for the Auckland tax.
A predictable outcome.
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July 23, 2018 8:03am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Thanks for helping us out with the “no more new taxes”
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:06am
  - calendar girl
    
    Over the weekend I saw 91 octane petrol prices as high as $2.26 per litre in Auckland and as low as $2.02 in Rotorua.
    
    Wasn’t Goff’s AKL petrol tax supposed to be 10c per litre + GST (=11.5 cpl)?
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:17am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So fuel in Auckland is 4c per litre more than it is in Lower Hutt.
      The fuel companies are obviously just sucking up the Auckland tax and apportioning it around the country at whatever level they can get away with.
      Where are you Ms. Three Pies?
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:03am
    - ztev
      
      Rotorua has long had some of cheapest fuel prices in North Island, there is one station in particular that sets the price, when it closes at 6Pm , the others along Te Ngae Rd all jump up 5c then come back down in the morning when it opens again.
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:54am
      - ztev
        
        As for Auckland prices they definitely are 11c or so dearer than a month ago.
        But some parts of Auckland have prices up to 8c cheaper than other parts.
        Theres as much variation in Auckland as in all of the North island. I notice the rich pricks in St heliers pay highest price of all here
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:57am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Serves them right for being rich, eh ztev?
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:05am
    - Komata
      
      CG
      
      It definitely depends on where you live!!
      
      From what I’ve seen while out and about in the central Waikato, ‘Waitomo’ and ‘Gull’ seem to be the cheapest, although the ‘profit motive’ is still strong in some. In one instance I saw a petrol station (No names or location) charging 12c more per litre than its nearest competitor located less than a kilometer down the road. Perhaps it was where it was situated, but it seemed to be very well patronised.
      
      I took the cheaper option…
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Or, No Strikes on My watch !
    
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    July 23, 2018 1:40pm
- Simon
  
  Phil Goof salutes you. Other people’s money.
  
  Best thing for Goofy, as non-aucklanders pay, is you cant vote him it out.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:11am
  - igm
    
    So long as non-ratepayers vote in the election of councillors scum such as Goff will get elected. The left (predominant renters) see the election of these filth as a way of those with something paying more taxes. The f/wits do not realise that they will be paying more in rent . . . still they will then attack taxpayers (not many of them lefties) to get more rent subsidies. Thanks Toxic Gnome!
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:18am
    - brett68
      
      These people pay rates in their rent, they’re just too dumb to realise it.
      
      That’s the real issue.
      
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      July 23, 2018 8:38am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Given the small numbers that actually vote in Local Body elections can you prove that even one non-ratepayer has voted in these elections?
      
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      July 23, 2018 8:50am
      - igm
        
        Take a look at the polling booths and that tells you the facts.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:01am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        IGM, I can’t remember there being polling booths (although I suppose there were some), Local Body elections being held by postal voting.
        
        Experience shows me that the feral classes don’t have the energy to lick an envelope, let alone post one and I’ve seen few professional envelope lickers advertising their tax-payer paid services to those feral classes so I question again whether a single non-ratepayer has ever voted in a Local Body election (in the past 25 years).
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:27am
- Monique Watson
  
  That was always going to happen Captain. You spread the pain to minimize the political influence to stay in power. All of a sudden the term “fairness” gets thrown around a lot. You’re going to hear a lot about that before the next election. Oh and, Think of the Children. To get people so busy thinking of the children they forget about how their pockets are getting progressively emptier. And there will be a bog tax in every major city before long.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:16am
- MCos
  
  Suits me
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:16am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Yeah nah.
  Auckland is paying the fuel tax.
  The rest of us are just lining the pockets of the fuel companies ‘cos they can.
  Wasn’t one of the C0L going to sort out price gouging by the fuel companies?
  Of course others have tried and failed (Jim Anderton?) but that doesn’t stop these numpties making promises they can’t keep.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:36am
artemisia

Harcourts report average selling price falls in Auckland and Wellington, along with fewer sales and fewer new listings.

Median price is a better indicator than average. A small number of outliers can impact average, but median is more consistent over time, though not perfect.

And median prices show a different trend to average prices. For example (REINZ actual sale prices) –

Auckland median price June 2017 $856,000; June 2018 $850,000. Not exactly $100,000.

Wellington median price for June – $595,000 – highest ever. All of NZ in June, median equal to its highest ever at $560,000.

Lies, damn lies etc. Accepted a large real estate agency is reporting only its own sales – if it is actual sales as the article refers to selling prices, whatever that means. Could they be drumming up business as sales and listings drop? On the basis of FOMO …. buyers get in quick because if listings continue to drop prices will rise again?

Is it possible to be too cynical where real estate agents are concerned?

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/94911/harcourts-sales-were-down-auckland-and-wellington-june-held-around-rest-country
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July 23, 2018 8:05am
- 4077th
  
  Depending on what side of the market we are on, the realestate agencies market to either sellers or buyers. One might cynically say, they play both sides. If the market is on the way down they promote more to buyers but use it as a tool to force sellers to reduce prices to facilitate a sale (agents have only one thing in mind, their pockets..always). When the market is up its the converse, marketing to sellers more than buyers to encourage a higher sell price, pressure buyers into thinking they will lose out if they don’t put in a high offer. Realeste agents are no better than car salesman. They work for their pocket and couldn’t care less about their seller or the buyer.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:00am
waikatogirl

Jason Morrison, the Aussie correspondent on TV3 says the removal of plastic supermarket bags is not being received well across the ditch. Customers are complaining about shoulder injuries from carrying the overfilled heavy reusable bags. The most noticeable thing is supermarket shoppers are now buying fewer groceries as spontaneous purchases are left on the shelves as shoppers have limited bag space. He said, as I have thought for some time, that banning plastic supermarket shopping bags is a money making scam by the supermarkets who are now making money selling reusable bags to customers. Customers are also now realising without the light plastic shopping bag they have to purchase heavier plastic rubbish bags for their kitchen tidy.
My mum in her 80’s cannot lift the heavy reusable bags of groceries out of the trolley into her car so has plastic supermarket bags in her boot to transfer groceries into so she can do so safely.
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July 23, 2018 8:06am
- Inandout
  
  It is indeed a scam and now the Greasy Greens have their eyes on plastic straws.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:12am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I wonder how many people will get sick from drinking from reuseable straws?
    Years ago hotels were banned from serving champagne in hollow stemmed glasses for health reasons, but now reuseable straws are better for the environment.
    Hmm.
    
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    July 23, 2018 11:40am
    - Viking2
      
      Or pregnant from using their condoms a few times. Yuk.
      Apparently there are such things as reusable condoms.
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:33pm
- RF
  
  Yep. The Kitchen tidy bags are heavy black ones far worse than the conventional white bag that is outlawed.
  
  Another green clusterfuk.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:13am
- Justitia
  
  It’s not the bags, it’s the plastic bottles and coffee cups that are the problem. We need to go back to refundable bottles. The hype about bags is ridiculous.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:17am
  - G152
    
    And all the plastic containers that those grocery items are encased in
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Justitia, plastic has to be good for us and seabird and other wildlife? ,
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12091874
    
    DUH!
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:33am
    - Bykmad
      
      SB. The plastic is only part of the problem. The actual problem is bloody lazy Human Beings who drop the crap wherever, whenever they want. I take the dog out for a walk and what do you see everywhere. Used Paper Coffee cups, Paper Soft Drink containers and lids, Plastic cups, the list is endless. Dont blame the Coffee makers, McDonalds, Burger King etc. It is the bastards who use the World as a rubbish dump. Address the cause and you will reduce the problem!
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:04am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Never fails to amaze me that ferals stagger all the way to the park with two pizzas and a full bottle of coke but don’t have the energy to drop the empty boxes and bottle in the bin at the end of the park bench.
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:44am
      - Viking2
        
        Never fails to amaze me that ferals stagger all the way to the park with two pizzas and a full bottle of coke but don’t have the energy to drop the empty boxes and bottle in the bin at the end of the park bench.
        
        Yep and what about the useless bastards that manage to get to the park with their boxes of beers and then leave all their shit everywhere. Fine the fuckers.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:31pm
    - Inandout
      
      I stopped reading at Aotearoa New Zealand, so this is the Herald now? Go to SE Asia and see how those arseholes have turned their cities into rubbish dumps, with plastic bags full of household waste jamming up waterways because the bastards are too lazy to move it. Our plastic use is infinitesimal compared to the world’s polluters.
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:19am
    - realityczech
      
      Plastic containers provide valuable habitat for a variety of sea life stupidboy.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:20pm
  - Fletch
    
    There was nothing wrong with the glass milk bottles we used to put out by the mailbox when I was younger. I am supposing though that it wouldn’t work these days – too many would be stolen and smashed by kids.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:41am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Glass is heavy, multiplies the cost of transporting the milk, and it is fragile. Can be reused but is expensive (relatively) to do so. Glass also takes a fair amount of energy to make – both new and recycled takes energy.
      
      Back when there was a lot of local delivery of milk, switching to plastic allowed about 30-40% more to be carried by the vendor because of the reduced weight of the packaging.
      
      Don’t know if you recall, but you used to get milk in pint and quart bottles, and the quart bottles were particularly fragile being larger.
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:40am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        When I was kid we used to get milk poured into a billy at the front gate.
        
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        July 23, 2018 3:37pm
      - Piniwi
        
        True Ed Snack but in at least one region there is a small business growing steadily delivering milk in glass bottles to the door. Started from nothing but has built up a very successful business with a steadily growing clientele who in large part help increase the demand. Friends and relatives see the milk come out of the fridge in a stylish glass bottle and are keen to get theirs that way too. Regular deliveries means a constant supply of fresher milk for busy families who only have to remember to put the bottle out. A subtle sign that the regions are again leading the way.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:25pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I believe reusing bottles is uneconomic. However, glass is infinitely recyclable if ground down and remelted. Plastic is best burnt to generate power or converted into furniture or waste bins etc, but that’s expensive. And every options viability is underpinned by cost. Nothing more, nothing less.
    
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    July 23, 2018 6:47pm
- Harkman
  
  Who saw Eugenie Sage yesterday on Q & A? More and more nanny state, “blah, blah….single use plastic bags.” I don’t know anyone who only uses a plastic bag once. What’s going to happen for my bin liners? ?
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:29am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Replaced with something bio-degradable, both the local pet shop and Mitre 10 only have bio-degradable bags now but they charge for them. Overtime however, retailers will absorb those costs in the market effort for customers. I think moaning about the alternatives is defeatist, there were no plastic bags once and the world moved along just fine. I don’t mind helping out an older person at the shopping centre, kind of makes one’s day. In Auckland the drains are not protected to prevent plastic going into the storm water – Goff deserves a punch ‘in the chops’ for that.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:43am
    - waikatogirl
      
      A British group reckon they have bio-degradable plastic bags that break down to nothing as they have an additive during production. A university trial submerged these bags in seawater for 2 years and they had barely begun to break down.
      Bio-degradable, not so much.
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:01am
      - DigNap15
        
        Have you ever left a single us plastic bag out in the sun for six months?
        Then pick it up and watch it crumble into little pieces.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:13am
      - Harkman
        
        Yes I saw that, they (the bags) don’t break down, they shatter into like 200-odd tiny pieces of plastic that are worse for the marine-life ecosystems. Just classic.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:43am
      - G152
        
        But then who are trying to show the world how bad these things are and by a strange coincidence ran a trial which demonstrates that they’re correct.
        Fake news isn’t only in papers it very common on radio/tv
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:59am
      - Nostalgia-NZ
        
        The bi0-degradable bags will sink or swim on their effectiveness, and it is in that area attention should be focused to make sure counterfeit stuff is not used. I believe hemp and corn spun bags are produced now.
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:46am
    - KevOB
      
      There were no plastic bags once and the world moved along just fine.
      Not so. Paper bags were much more difficult to carry. Shopping was done more frequently and in smaller quantities.
      
      Can they really make plastic bags degradable and still fit for purpose? The additive OXO claimed to degrade bags eventually to millimeter sized fragments does so by turning the plastic int CO2!
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:40am
      - Fletch
        
        Yeh, I remember the paper bags. Very hard to lift and transport. You had to wrap your arm around them like you were carrying a baby. The modern, light, singlet plastic bags are a marvel of technology, thin and strong. Paper actually creates more pollution, uses more water in the creation and takes just as long to break down as the plastic.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:45am
      - jcuk
        
        Sorry I reported you Fletch … finger problem.
        also we shopped locally so did not have to carry the load so far. Corner shops are largely gone these days.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:03am
      - Komata
        
        KevOB
        
        Some here will no doubt recall that plastic bags were a revolution when they first arrived; at last we could actually carry thing without having the bag’s contents fall out of the bottom – a fault that paper bags were especially prone to should they beome wet – a not uncommon occurance in NZ’s climate.
        
        Not surprisingly, and because they were so ‘convenient’ the world embraced the plastic bag with great enthusiasm; perhaps too much in fact since ‘those who know about such things’ evidently saw them to be a threat and are no determined to stop their use.
        
        Noticeably, ‘paper bags’ are not mentioned in the current debate. and one does have to wonder why.
        
        Does anyone know why this may be; perhaps the quality isn’t up to it, or perhaps even they aren’t ‘green’ enough?
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:00am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Noticeably, ‘paper bags’ are not mentioned in the current debate. and one does have to wonder why.
        
        Does anyone know why this may be; perhaps the quality isn’t up to it, or perhaps even they aren’t ‘green’ enough?
        
        I thought we got rid of paper bags because of the chemicals used in bleaching pulp, chlorine and dioxins.
        https://www.paperonweb.com/chemical.htm
        
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        July 23, 2018 2:03pm
      - Fletch
        
        Paper bags are pretty much worse for the environment in almost every way –
        
        “[A] paper bag has a more adverse impact than a plastic bag for most of the environmental issues considered. Areas where paper bags score particularly badly include water consumption, atmospheric acidification (which can have effects on human health, sensitive ecosystems, forest decline and acidification of lakes) and eutrophication* of water bodies (which can lead to growth of algae and depletion of oxygen).
        
        Paper bags are anywhere between six to ten times heavier than lightweight plastic carrier bags and, as such, require more transport and its associated costs. They would also take up more room in a landfill if they were not recycled.”
        
        Paper bags would have to be used three times to lower their global warming potential to match that of a conventional HDPE plastic shopping bag being used just once.
        
        http://www.allaboutbags.ca/papervplasticstudies.html
        
        https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/plastic-fantastic-carrier-bags-not-eco-villains-after-all-2220129.html
        
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        July 23, 2018 2:35pm
  - RF
    
    I think Sage is fantastic. Every time she appears on TV / Radio she reminds us just how useless yet dangerous this Govt is.
    
    Ardern is going to have problems reversing the damage caused by the greens.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:20am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Adern won’t have problems reversing the damage done by the Reds – the harridan doesn’t (and won’t) want to!
      
      Meanwhile the poor bastard taxpayer has to pay for that damage for years and years to come.
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:31am
      - MickMac
        
        Sorry guys…..
        
        weep weep……
        Winstons a shit…….
        
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        July 24, 2018 5:19pm
  - GazzaW
    
    ‘Single use plastic bag’. What a misnomer – I’ve used the same yellow PaknSave plastic bag twice a week for at least four months.
    
    Just another catchphrase dreamed up for the purpose of the exercise and accepted without question by a gullible public.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:46am
    - MCos
      
      Not a phase that stuck in my mind until I started reading it here.
      About as memorable as ‘educated left boot’ or any political slogan prior to an election
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The only single use plastic bags in our household are the mandatory City Council plastic bags. These are purchased from a retail store, into which we put our household rubbish. These bags I then have to carry to the most convenient collection point, an intersection in Puhoi Opposite a nature reserve trail. Needless to say bags are left by others at the particular corner for vermon to attack days before due collection date. Only an urban minded council could run something so amateur in a rural area.
    
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    July 23, 2018 3:17pm
- secondcumming
  
  What about this lying cow seen coming out of Countdown….
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DinZsnZWAAAKsIh.jpg
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:59am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Customers are complaining about shoulder injuries from carrying the overfilled heavy reusable bags.
  
  I think he made a mistake there and used the word “customers” instead of “dumb cunts.”
  
  My mum in her 80’s cannot lift the heavy reusable bags of groceries out of the trolley into her car so has plastic supermarket bags in her boot to transfer groceries into so she can do so safely.
  
  Perhaps it would make more sense just to not overfill the bags in the first place?
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:14am
  - MCos
    
    ‘Customers are complaining about shoulder injuries from carrying the overfilled heavy reusable bags.’
    
    Oh the humanity!
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:23am
  - jcuk
    
    To have more bags when you shop so that they are only half full? Personally I spent $20 on a bag with wheels which carries about four or five plastic bags worth* … but though I cannot walk and carry I can lift so long as I can stand in one place as I do it. Like when I lift my wheelie-bag into the back of the car.
    Education is the real answer. Wanting to help the planet … the only one we have to live on.
    *my helpful supermarket lass loads into it.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:37am
    - Fletch
      
      You mean one of those things with a long handle that old ladies drag around?
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:46am
      - MCos
        
        You’ve never been to the Avondale Market or, presumably, any other fruit and vegetable market.
        (Not the boutique type like the so called French Market in Parnell)
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:06am
      - jcuk
        
        Likely yes Fletch since I am an old man of 86 🙂
        Though mine doesn’t have a long handle as the bag itself is quite large. enough for a weeks shopping.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:07am
      - GazzaW
        
        Onyer jcuk. Don’t take any shit from these smartarse youngsters.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:48am
      - Sideoiler
        
        You mean one of those things with a long handle that old ladies drag around?
        
        A Wally Trolley.
        
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        July 23, 2018 2:07pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Same.
      When I walk to the shop with the grandies, I don’t get a look in at dragging the shopping trolley.
      They love it!
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:47am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right jcuk like our rotary clothes line being made thanks to finding a star centre in the local recycle centre before we return to the Philippines. The wife also has a little wheeled shopping trolley likely also the only one here with no permanent bag attached. Some shopping days it handles two stout bags and on bigger shopping days 3 which might include a cooler bag. It allows her to go to the market and the wholesale grocers with ease but more importantly independently as she is the fussiest shopper ever seen. Even the humble spud is diligently hand picked to be mash able as well as make blue ribbon fries. When I arrive for pickup the shop boys are chuffed to have (10 peso NZ$0.28) for loading as it usually includes at least 3×6 litre bottles of water. But no surprise that there is one day a week even here that is plastic bag free yet it is only means most households for their trash disposal. Apart from burning it which is still largely the norm.
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:54pm
  - realityczech
    
    “dumb cunts.”
    
    Milt thinks the elderly, disabled, and infirm, are “dumb cunts.”
    
    Typical Labour supporter.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:25pm
  - RF
    
    I took 4 NW hessian bags to my New World Supermkt the other day. Worked well except school boy checkout operator filled 2 bags that I could gladly lift and gave me back my other 2 empty ones.
    
    I finished up requesting a supervisor to intervene as he refused to repack..
    
    I was not popular with the others behind me.
    
    Was I being pedantic?
    
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    July 23, 2018 1:56pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I don’t believe you were being pedantic, and many others will ask for groceries to be packed in 1/2 full bags as well. Those are quite large bags.
      
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      July 23, 2018 4:53pm
  - jcuk
    
    At Gardens NW I was asked if I wanted my two bags half filled or just one bag.
    
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    July 23, 2018 3:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  You either have to take lots of bags with you, or not buy as much from that place.
  (that’s what we are doing.)
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-22/overloaded-reusable-bags-causing-injuries-for-shoppers/10017294
  
  Tough luck if you do get a tear in your rotator cuff.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:27am
  - Viking2
    
    Got talking to a lady in the Hutt the other day. Her company delivers the Countdown groceries. Reckons its going gangbusters. She owns a motel as well and orders her groceries on Saturday, delivered Sunday at a time she wants. Reckons it makes life a lot easier and saves money. Doesn’t pick up stuff she really doesn’t need.
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:45pm
- dime
  
  “The most noticeable thing is supermarket shoppers are now buying fewer groceries as spontaneous purchases are left on the shelves as shoppers have limited bag space.”
  
  LOL standby for the “plastic bag 9000” that will carry everything you could ever want. Available soon and free!
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:28am
  - KevOB
    
    The way shopping once was.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:42am
    - MCos
      
      When I was a little kid, years before supermarkets came to Timaru, Mum used to ring up some bloke downtown who ran a grocery store and rattle off a list of stuff she wanted. He’d delivery it later in the day in a box. Butter, sugar, flour, marmite, Wheetbix . . When I was very young the milk was delivered in glass bottles by a bloke with a horse & cart.
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:25am
      - VicParking
        
        Mum used to ring up or i’d Be sent round with a note and a boy would bring them round on a bike (open all hours type).
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:42am
      - KevOB
        
        We didn’t have a phone so I could make several trips/day to the local 4Square if needed.
        
        Prams were often used too as assistant shopping carts.
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:23pm
      - Paulus
        
        Our local Supermarkets, both major ones, will deliver free upon request.
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:46pm
      - RF
        
        When I was a kid if you wanted milk the farmer brought a cow to your front door and filled your container.
        
        If you were lucky and the cow obliged he had a deal for fresh fertiliser.
        
        And you thought you were poor….
        
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        July 23, 2018 2:02pm
      - jcuk
        
        When I was in my early teens at Sutton in Ashfield, Notts, The milkmaid came around with a pail of milk and scooped out a pint at the door into our container.
        One day I was ‘very popular’ as there was an oily patch on the milk and I suggested in my childhood ignorance that it was ‘water’. 🙂
        
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        July 23, 2018 3:34pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        When I was a kid, my mum made me get on my bike (that I had to pay for by getting paid for taking the shit can out to the night cart at 1 am in the morning, rain, hail,or moonlight) and ride out to the local farmer at daybreak and hand milk the cow, put the milk through the hand driven separator – bring the milk home in a bucket and the cream in a glass bottle, both balanced on the handlebars.
        No surprise I became a juggling balancing clown on a bike at the local circus each year. 😆
        
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        July 23, 2018 5:43pm
      - RF
        
        Don the Kiwi.
        
        The fresh cows milk gave the family severe flatulence so there was a pecking order to take advantage of this. Each of us had a paper bag that prior to going to bed we would fart into it.
        This would keep us warm until the early hours. Unfortunately the young ones became quickly cold as their bag contained little.
        
        I used to dream of a warm woolly sheep that Johnboy had not bothered.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:00pm
  - The Heat
    
    LOL standby for the “plastic bag 9000” that will carry everything you could ever want. Available soon and free!
    
    Hilarious. One week they’re running fast in one direction, thinking banning improves their bottom line, the next week they are running fast in the complete opposite direction, knowing banning will hurt their bottom line.
    
    Unintended consequences.
    
    Reminds me of when my local supermarket went plastic bag free a few years back in response to the usual minority of shrieking hystericals. They quickly switched back to plastic bags in response to a high level of complaints from the majority – and customers switching supermarkets.
    
    I live in an affluent, virtue signalling luvvie area. Go figure.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:02pm
  - Peter S
    
    The other thing I have noticed is that, as you start off with a trolley that is already half full of reusable bags, you have the perception that you have more groceries than you actually do and can end up buying less because of it.
    
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    July 23, 2018 1:02pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Probably 80% of the plastic-bag-in-ocean waste is coming from rivers located in India or Indonesia. Let’s punish NZ so the supermarkets can virtue signal.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:29am
  - rangitoto
    
    It’s a lot more than 80%.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:44am
  - Ed Snack
    
    It’s reported to be 90%+ and it is 10 rivers. There are 2 in Africa, the Nile and the Niger; 2 in India/Pakistan the Indus and the Ganges; then 6 in Asia with the Mekong in SE Asia and 4 entirely in China – the Yellow, Pearl, Yangtze, and the Hai He, and 1 on the China/Russia border, the Amur.
    
    Mostly big rivers, but the Pearl and the Hai He are short but traverse heavily populated areas. The Amur is a long way North and I didn’t think it had a lot of population, but maybe in the lower reaches it does.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:05pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The world needs to get The Don on to it.
      He’ll have a word about pulling their weight, and these countries will smarten up and fly right.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:24pm
- dubya
  
  Do any Lower Hutt residents remember the good old days of Foodtown at Queensgate, where your groceries were loaded into your car for you at the porte cochere at the front? Now that was service!
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:07am
- realityczech
  
  As a life long committed environmentalist this focus on plastic bags in developed Western nations infuriates me.
  
  People in developed countries are not the ones dumping plastic in the sea. It is poor or developing countries.
  
  Since they are targeting an non issue it will have zero effect on the problem.
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:33pm
The Heat

Lauren Southern’s tour down-under appears to be a raging success, thanks to the far-left activists, who, once again, prove their complete inability to think things through.

Without the uproar and banning from venues, it’s unlikely many people would have heard of Southern.

Now she has become a national debate across two countries.And the far-left have shown the nation where they stand when it comes to free-speech.

You couldn’t have scripted it better.
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- stephieboy
  
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  The Heat , scripted for bigotry, intolerance and prejudice!
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:36am
  - I Hate Wordpress
    
    Yes, that was the lefts script, well done.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:54am
  - The Heat
    
    Missing the point as usual, Stephieboy. The far-left poured gasoline on the publicity fire, achieving the exact opposite of what was required if the far-lefts aim was to “silence” them.
    
    And as Ihatewordpress points out, much bigotry, intolerance and prejudice was coming from many on the far-left. They showed us all how much they value free speech.
    
    So afraid of real diversity. Hint: a bunch of people sharing the same world view is not diversity, no matter what their outward appearance.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:11am
    - Fletch
      
      The far-left poured gasoline on the publicity fire, achieving the exact opposite of what was required if the far-lefts aim was to “silence” them.
      
      I think it’s called the Streisand Effect…
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:48am
  - dime
    
    you’re the most intolerant racist here you fucking sex pest
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Be quiet Heat.
  
  Iain Lees-Galloway has commanded his loyal subjects not to give Ms Southern and Mr Molyneux any publicity. So let’s give them publicity 😀
  
  In fact I can see the Tui billboard already…
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:46am
  - The Heat
    
    They won’t be able to help themselves. They’re stuck in the 60s with their doctrinaire protesting, ranting and barricading.
    
    Not once stopping to consider that the media landscape has changed since the 1960s. Public attention is now scattered across infinite channels, so if you really want something to be ignored, the last thing you do is ensure it is spread across multiple channels – which attention grabbing protests in-front of a bored and lazy MSM achieve. And that Southern has a media channel that keeps the message going once attention is gained – which wasn’t possible in the 60s.
    
    They promoted her YouTube channel. For weeks. Still going.
    
    Dim.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:22am
    - Piniwi
      
      Meanwhile The Heat in others news a much more orderly protest occurred on the West Coast: Thousands of West Coasters protest against Government’s ‘anti-mining’ position
      Around 5000 people turned out to voice their anger during the opening of the West Coast’s new $25.8 million Taramakau Bridge. In addition the 100 odd trucks ended up at least twice that number trundling over the old bridge one last time. An orderly strong message for the COL along with some chosen words for Sage.
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:06pm
  - sooty
    
    what happened to the Tui billboard?
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:39am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  It certainly is bringing a huge number of closet racists out of the closet, but that can only be a good thing.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:15am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Why do you make that assumption Milt? My beef is with the incompetent Lees-Galloway, but that doesn’t make me a racist, closet or otherwise.
    
    I wouldn’t cross the road to hear Ms Southern and Mr Molyneux speak. Others may wish to, and that is their right. But when Lees-Galloway tries to soften the blow on Immigration NZ having no option but to approve their visas by issuing inflammatory media releases and demanding that we not talk about them, he’s off his rocker if he thinks people will help him.
    
    He’s given their views plenty of publicity, whilst trying not to. That reminds me of a lyric from a David Bowie song where he sings “And I’ve been putting out fires, with gasoline…”
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      KS, I bet you will be there. Show a bit of gratitude as they are coming thanks to the Minister of Immigration.
      
      Southern and Molyneux may even condescend and a do a 50-word guest post on your blog. $500 a word fee applies.
      
      Make the most.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:16pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I wouldn’t cross the road to hear Ms Southern and Mr Molyneux speak.
      
      Sounds like all that supposedly valuable publicity was wasted then, doesn’t it?
      
      But when Lees-Galloway tries to soften the blow on Immigration NZ having no option but to approve their visas by issuing inflammatory media releases and demanding that we not talk about them, he’s off his rocker if he thinks people will help him.
      
      What does that even mean? He answered journos questions with the correct answers that there’s no reason to deny them entry and if you don’t like their views, don’t go and hear them. If that’s “incompetence,” the country could do with more incompetence. And he hasn’t mentioned needing our help.
      
      I suppose you’re upset at him saying he finds their views repugnant. Well, their views are repugnant to a lot of people, and Lees-Galloway will want to be quite sure no-one imagines he’s OK with them because he’s a fellow racist.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:34pm
      - realityczech
        
        Milt you seem to be across this.
        
        • What specific ideas of Ms Southern and Mr Molyneux do you disagree with?
        
        I want you to attempt an actual answer as opposed to name calling (Nazi, racist, islamaphobic etc). See if you can fake being a decent human being for just one comment on KB.
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:42pm
      - The Heat
        
        Shutting down a local show via protest – or implied violent disruption from protest – doesn’t stop the bigger show, which is the online channel.
        
        It fuels it.
        
        Once curiosity has been aroused – as a result of the activist shit-storm – and someone is signed up, they keep hearing her opinion, on-going, and they don’t hear a counter argument.
        
        It’s not rocket-science. It’s why open debate and free speech is a good thing, regardless if you agree with Southern, or not.
        
        Southern:1, Left: 0
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:20pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        It’s kind of funny how many people need to have it explained to them what’s dodgy about white people who think they need a good strong movement taking action to prevent the cultural glories of the white race from being tainted by the toxic influence of lesser cultures.
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:21pm
      - The Heat
        
        IIt’s kind of funny how many people need to have it explained to them what’s dodgy about white people who think they need a good strong movement taking action to prevent the cultural glories of the white race from being tainted by the toxic influence of lesser cultures.
        
        Replace “white” with any other race and see if you still agree with your own statement.
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:24pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Sure, a lot of them have already been outed protesting against Southern being allowed to speak anywhere in NZ. Those the racists you mean ?
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:09pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I haven’t noticed these lots of protesters, and unless they were protesting about Canadians being allowed into the country there wouldn’t be a case to call them racists anyway.
      
      When Southern and Molyneux come here to talk about how important it is that we protect our culture from an influx of people from cultures different from our own, do you think they’ll be warning us against Afrikaners and Americans?
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    Milt means those racists who hate on white people. Surely ?
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      kea, no just your rancid stinking BO!
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy you are giving pedo goat shaggers a bad name again. No wonder you got trespassed from the mosque.
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Interesting contrasts .
  
  Dunedin has just hosted some character called Kendrick Lamar at a ‘concert’ in a council owned venue. Front page news and a huge success apparently.
  
  A letter to the editor says this “entertainer’s” “…..language and subject matter is completly filthy. Full of references to violent sex, misogyny and depictions of relationships reduced to their most vulgar ,degrading and animalistic”
  
  If true where are all the left wing voices and editorials that were raised against our Canadian pair ?
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/music/lamar-pours-electrifying-energy-stadium
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:38am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup, talk about scoring an own goal. Mayor looks like a Stalinistic Despot, the MSM look like dorks, and Lauren and co get so much free publicity, they couldn’t have paid for more! And Free Speech has become the topic de jour crossing the typical Left Right dividing lines. And we get to ridicule the Leftist apologists here on Kiwiblog once again….
  
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  July 23, 2018 6:55pm
  - Viking2
    
    Phil Goff throwing the kitchen sink at us ‼
    
    David Cumin nz.free.speech.coalition@gmail.com
    
    10:58 AM (8 hours ago)
    
    Dear Supporter of Free Speech,
    
    My name is David Cumin and I am part of the “Free Speech Coalition” challenging Mayor Phil Goff’s decision to ban speakers from Auckland Council-owned venues because of their political views. I am also one of the three plaintiffs in the litigation filed against Phil Goff and the Council standing up for freedom of speech – the case made possible by your financial support!
    
    I am writing to update you on our progress since Jordan Williams’ email on Wednesday and my interview on the AM Show.
    
    I am supporting this campaign as a matter of principle: I don’t want our politicians to dictate who is ‘acceptable’, who is not, and who, as a ratepayer, I am allowed to hear from, at venues we all pay for.
    
    You can read my affidavit to the Court, which sets out my reasons for publicly supporting the Free Speech Coalition, by clicking here.
    
    In it, I explain that I am not a supporter of the particular speakers and praise Mayor Goff for challenging some of their views. I also outline a number of speaking events at Council-owned facilities which I personally object to (and likely many ratepayers will), but believe should nevertheless not be banned or censored by the Council.
    We are burning the midnight oil to stand up for freedom of speech
    
    Our legal team of seven, plus additional helpers from our group, were in the office all weekend working on the case. This job has been made more difficult because Phil Goff and the Council’s lawyers seem to be getting ready to throw everything they have at us. They know that we have limited funds, and limited time. They’ve made no attempt to seek common ground, or to narrow the issues so the court can focus on the important issues of principle. Instead of replying to the open letter we sent urging Councillors to avoid the expense and reconsider the Mayor’s decision, they appear to be objecting to our public funding of this public-interest litigation.
    
    As an example of what could turn out to be underhand tactics, Mr Goff’s lawyers flagged in Court last week that they may have concerns about the “litigation funding”. We’re worried that they could be foreshadowing a claim that you don’t have the right to be funding it, and have it struck out.
    
    We are advised the Council doesn’t have a leg to stand on. We think it’s just another example of them trying to throw up red herrings and consume our resources. They must know that these things require our lawyers to divert from the key issues.
    
    Of course, Mayor Phil Goff uses your ratepayer money to defend his actions but is apparently open to opposing you using your own money to challenge him.
    
    You can read our statement to media, calling on Phil Goff to abandon this objection here: http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/316532
    Human Rights Commission want to appear – but what way will they go?
    
    At one of the hearings last week, the Human Rights Commission said that they want to ‘intervene’ in this case and have engaged their own QC to make submissions
    
    Of course, we hope they are going to come down on the side of freedom – a fundamental human right in liberal democracies – but this is the same Human Rights Commission who have been lobbying the Government to create ‘hate speech’ laws to criminalise ‘disharmonious’ speech. The Commission has not been in contact with us so we are naturally concerned that we may soon be not only battling the might of ratepayer-funded lawyers, but also another taxpayer-funded outfit!
    While Mayor Goff doesn’t believe in free speech, his old Labour Party colleague gets it right
    
    The Government has granted the speakers working visas to visit New Zealand. Immigration Minister, Iain Lees-Galloway issued a media release on Friday about this that included comments from him:
    
    “INZ’s decision in no way condones the views expressed by the pair, which are repugnant to this Government and run counter to the kind and tolerant values of the vast majority of New Zealanders…I understand that many people would prefer it if Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux never set foot in New Zealand. However the Immigration Act and immigration instructions have clear criteria for the granting of a visa, including certain character requirements, all of which I have been advised the pair meet.
    
    “Neither speaker has been convicted of a crime, nor banned from the United Kingdom or Australia as has been previously reported,”
    
    Mr Lees-Galloway also told Radio NZ:
    
    “The grounds on which someone can be excluded from New Zealand involve things like being involved in a terrorist organisation, being convicted of a crime or have clearly been involved in inciting violence.
    
    “None of those applied to those two people.”
    
    Precisely – that is what the law should consider. The Minister has upheld the rule of law and human rights, not buckled to the pressure of a vocal minority or made a political decision. And he has made it clear that he does not endorse their views – in fact, he called them ‘repugnant’.
    What happens next:
    
    Today at 3pm, the Mayor and Council are due to file and serve on us their evidence in response. Tomorrow, our legal submissions are due.
    
    The lawyers for the Mayor and Council as well as the lawyers for the Human Rights Commission must file their legal submissions by 5pm Friday.
    
    The Court hearing for our application for orders overturning the Mayor’s decision is set down for hearing in the Auckland High Court at 10am Monday – one week from today. We expect the hearing to be open to the public and encourage you to come along.
    A David and Goliath battle
    
    While we have enough money to get this off the ground and our lawyers are working at discounted rates, with everything the Council is throwing at us we are going to need all the help we can get to get this over the line against the Council (not to mention the Human Rights Commission).
    
    Help the cause by forwarding this email to like-minded New Zealanders and ask them to match your contribution to the fighting fund.
    
    We need others to help by donating at http://www.freespeechcoalition.nz or via internet banking to “Free Speech Coalition” 01-0527-0680196-000.
    
    Donate now
    
    Thank you for your support. We will keep you updated with progress.
    
    Dr David Cumin
    Free Speech Coalition
    http://www.freespeechcoalition.nz
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:59pm
Longknives

Did the ‘Sevens Sistas’ (Or whatever silly name they call themselves) really deserve to headline One News last night?
Does any other Country even take Women’s Sevens seriously? (I notice the Stadium had about 20 people in it)
Contrast this to Scott Dixon who is massive in the States, in the form of his life and is leading the Indy Cars…Last week he won Toronto (In front of 100,000 spectators)
Yet not a peep on NZ News.
We live in a strange little Country…
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July 23, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  It is all about ‘culture’ Longone.
  https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/rugby-world-cup-sevens-womens-champions-new-zealand-vs-france-england-abbie-scott-a8458301.html
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:15am
  - Longknives
    
    Why are they pulling silly faces in that photo? Was it a Gurning competition??
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:24am
    - RF
      
      The token whitey in the middle is the only player looking intelligent.
      
      The remaining look as if they escaped from the funny farm.
      
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      July 23, 2018 2:17pm
- Huevon
  
  ‘cos the All Blacks get so much attention, and it’s rugby, and equality or something.
  
  The Fool Robertson thinks they should be paid the same as the ABs.
  
  (PS. Their coach could barely string a sentence together in his Red Radio interview this morning)
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:18am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    I thought it was just me. He sounded drunk. But then I figure hes an ex rugby player, so shouldn’t expect too much.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:23am
    - doggone7
      
      When they take what there is of his brain out he’d fit in well on here. Oops, no he won’t, he’s about getting out and achieving something not sitting here being a professional bitcher, trying to find something to grizzle about.
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:09am
  - Harkman
    
    I bet that in 10 years time, the PC decision to fund the women’s teams, that bring in no new revenue, will cripple the rugby union’s ability to keep top male players in NZ.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:36am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I notice the Stadium had about 20 people in it
  
  You should have gone to Specsavers Longknives. The World Cup Sevens has been a huge success. The stadium was around 3/4 full on the first day, and both yesterday and today were sellouts. The crowds have embraced the tournament and the game. To be fair, a number of people left after the USA was beaten by England around an hour before the women’s final, but there was still a terrific crowd in for the Black Ferns’ win.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:19am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    PS: Longknives; you’ll no doubt be delighted that New Zealand has just beaten Fiji in the men’s semifinal 😀
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:26am
    - Longknives
      
      Fairly indifferent to Sevens mate (Like most of New Zealand)
      Don’t they have like three World Cups a year anyway? (And the Olympics/Commonwealth Games etc)
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:26am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        No, they have a World Series every year, but the World Cup is only held every four years. New Zealand won both the men’s and women’s cups in Russia in 2013.
        
        And now that Sevens is an Olympic sport, watch it grow. I watched the Chinese women’s team demolish South Africa on Saturday afternoon. Because it’s an Olympic sport, the Chinese government is investing in the women’s sevens programme. It will be interesting to follow their progress, and God help us if the world’s most populous nation started to take rugby seriously!
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:29am
    - Paulus
      
      And England in the final.
      
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      July 23, 2018 1:50pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Lk, I said the same thing after watching the 7Sistas item which also led later sports news. The second news item was on the opening of the new bridge on the West Coast and the Coasters marching against the CoL banning mining on all conservation land and how unhappy they are at Ugenie Sage. TV1, of course, does not like to criticise the looney CoL so the West Coast item was not going to lead the news. Nice new bridge by the way.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yes, one sign said ‘idealism is not realism’
    
    Nice slogan, better than ‘we did this?’
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:57am
- Fletch
  
  Because wimmin can do anything, blah, blah, blah… I think that most of the TVNZ producers are women, aren’t they?
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:49am
- doggone7
  
  The stadium had about 20 people in it well after the event when the winners were chilling out with mainly family and friends still there. The crowd was bigger when the matches were played.
  Scott Dixon is on the news most weeks.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:06am
Keeping Stock

So the Police Commissioner knew about Wally Haumaha all along…

Police Commissioner Mike Bush was warned by his right-hand man about Wally Haumaha’s history with the disgraced officers at the centre of rape allegations which rocked the police force, according to Herald sources.

Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement was second-in-charge of Operation Austin and his “attention to detail” was later credited with rape convictions being secured against Brad Shipton and Bob Schollum.

Clement met Louise Nicholas – whose allegations led to Operation Austin and a Commission of Inquiry into police culture – to canvas her thoughts about Wally Haumaha being promoted to Assistant Commissioner last year.

She had read Haumaha’s statement to the inquiry team where he described Shipton as a “big softie” and Schollum as a “legend” with women and was opposed to him rising into the upper echelons of the police executive.

One officer told the 2004 investigation into the police sex allegations that Haumaha described Nicholas’ allegations as “a nonsense” and that “nothing really happened and we have to stick together”.

Sources have told the Herald that Clement – who graduated from Police College with Bush – warned the Commissioner about Haumaha and the potential risk to the reputation of police if he was promoted.

The details of the private conversation are unclear. But Clement remains in close contact with complainants in Operation Austin, particularly Nicholas, and has strived to change police culture since the Commission of Inquiry.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12093371

This may explain why the government has been so slow off the mark investigating Haumaha’s appointment. An inquiry was announced a month ago, but terms of reference have yet to be released, and there has been disapproval with Tracey Martin being given oversight of the inquiry, given Haumaha’s links to New Zealand First.

But now Bush is firmly in the frame. He was on the panel that recommended Haumaha’s, despite him having been warned that the appointment was fraught with risk.

And questions must now be asked of Stuart Nash. Was he tipped off about Haumaha before appointing him? Or did Bush knowingly keep that information from Nash? If that is the case, Bush is toast.

The week has already got more interesting.
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July 23, 2018 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  Bush is a new age cop, so touchy feeley.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:17am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    It was too much touchy feely that got Shipton, Schollum and Rickards into so much trouble.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:07pm
  - kowtow
    
    Copped a feel of a new age bush, no fuzz.
    
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    July 23, 2018 3:48pm
- oldpark
  
  @KS
  Bush is so far up himself and even more arrogant than Peters. Nuff said. What a bloody cluster****.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:39am
  - RF
    
    My spies in the Police are telling me that Mike Clement is positioning himself to be the next Police Commissioner …. so watch this space.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:31am
    - Longknives
      
      I’d love to see Mike Bush rolled purely for his ‘We don’t need White males anymore’ comments and attitude..
      *And I bet there are plenty of Cops who feel the same as well!
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:47am
      - Tricati
        
        And his injection into the Clarke Gayford nonsense
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:26am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It will be interesting to hear Nash’s response, if it transpires that Bush did indeed know about Haumaha’s past comments. Bush appears to have either a) breached the “no surprises” policy, and b) by recommending Haumaha for appointment when there were clearly issues that could bring the Police into disrepute, made a massive error of judgment which has also put the spotlight on the Minister.
      
      I would suggest that Mike Bush might well be clearing his desk very soon.
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:46am
      - Paulus
        
        With Bush’s pension does he care any more !
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:52pm
      - calendar girl
        
        The sooner the better as far as Bush is concerned. He has not had a great year.
        
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        July 23, 2018 5:44pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Wally lost the diversity match-up.
  
  He only got one point for being a Maori Hori (victim of imperialist colonialism).
  
  Nicholas gets a pair for being a Sheila (ie victim of the neo-liberal patriarchy) AND for being sexually abused (victim of NZ’s rape culture).
  
  Wally was toast even he’d been able to call up another victim point (say if he’d been abused as a child) because he’s a bloke.
  
  His only hope is an immediate retrospective conversion to Islam – if he does that he can shag Mike Bush and be entitled to claim he was a victim of Islamophobia and the HRC will make him Police Commissioner.
  
  Libtard Diversity Bingo – it’s all the rage!
  
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  July 23, 2018 2:29pm
- Viking2
  
  Peters said Cabinet signed off an oral item appointing former senior public servant, Dr Pauline Kingi, to lead the inquiry which would commence on August 6.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105693544/wally-haumaha-terms-of-reference-for-inquiry-released
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:09pm
secondcumming

A *SHOCKING* EMAIL…..

From; VECTOR LINES CO. (Est 2005)
Subject: Vector Power Payment

Dear Mr Cumming
Our records show you have a power account on our Auckland electricity network……

Soon we’ll be paying $16 million dollars directly to Aucklanders, so everyone gets their fair share of the credit we receive from Transpower…..

Previously, we’ve passed this on to power retailers, *with an expectation that the benefits are then passed on to account holders on our network*. We reckon it’s fairer and more transparent to pay it to you directly, so account holders can now expect to see about $30 added to the dividend payment……

Kind regards
Vector Customer Service Team

QUESTION: Does this mean that for the last 12 years, Power Companies have been secretly deducting $30 of my Transpower credit? Will they
now do the right thing and pay back the money they have purloined??
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July 23, 2018 8:17am
peterwn

Will see how well the Tramways Union in Wellington (representing some bus drivers) have judged things today with their industrial action.
They have been wanting a spill with Tranzit owner Paul Snelgrove and his daughter (the HR Manager), located an ‘issue’ and are now trying it on.
The objective being to infuriate the public and turn them against Tranzit using an issue (the alleged 14 hour days) that the public can hopefully sympathise with. However the union has misjudged the public in the past and may well have done so this time.
They went to the Police over the ’14 hour issue’ but whether there are ‘infringements’ would turn on legal interpretation – Tranzit would not be so daft as to flout the law as to drivers’ times and breaks. So this would merely seem to be a publicity stunt.
Seems Tranzit is a bit vulnerable as it could not sign up a full complement of drivers and seems to be relying on contracting some driving to NZ Bus using their drivers facing redundancy and it is these drivers the union is calling out.
Anyone has any other ‘takes’ on this.
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July 23, 2018 8:24am
- Liberty
  
  What is the take home pay of a wellington bus driver ?
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:39am
  - peterwn
    
    Don’t know actual figures, but it seems Tranzit and NZ Bus (who used to run all the Wellington/ Hutt Valley buses) have similar pay for drivers who have been in the game for a few years. NZ Bus has been burdened with agreements that give higher pay to long term drivers which would go beyond what would be warranted by extra skills, etc.
    NZ Bus drivers on higher pay levels facing redundancy either have to apply to Tranzit and accept lower pay levels or look elsewhere for work (eg truck or taxi driving). This is the fundamental issue.
    Bus drivers wanting to get into driving B Doubles would need to upgrade to class 5 licences, so cannot immediately get into top end truck driving.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      Alf will know.
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:42am
  - Viking2
    
    Some touching $100k by rorting the weekend roster system. Mostly the old timers.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:12pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Tramways union?
  Do motor mechanics belong to the horse-shoers’ union?
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:11am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Anyone has any other ‘takes’ on this.
  
  Yes. As with cleaning contracts, if you win the contract by under-bidding the competition, the only way to get a return is via your staff’s pay and conditions. That can have repercussions. I blame the people who give the contract to the cheapest outfit, in this case presumably Wellington council.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Correct Psycho. The Wellington Regional Council, led by career socialist Chris Laidlaw, who one would think would have some idea of how to look after his devotees.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:32am
  - peterwn
    
    Clark Labour Government included contract cleaning, catering and laundry in its industrial relations law to cover the ‘hospital’ contract situation although in the main the cost was borne by the health budget.
    I think Andy is going to extend this to public transport contracts. After all it is the same issue at stake.
    The fundamental issue with all this, is should employees be entitled to enhanced pay and conditions by merely being with the same employer (or being in the same effective workplace) for many years. This is especially where the employee’s skill level and efficiency has reached a ‘plateau’.
    Unions fight hard to retain such ‘conditions’ (eg the fight against ‘bulk funding’ of teachers’ salaries) whereas ‘contracting out’ undermines such enhanced pay and conditions. Hence the present bus situation is another manifestation of the same problem.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:59am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      It shows just how bad things have become that someone can entirely seriously refer to the “enhanced pay and conditions” enjoyed by cleaners and bus drivers. Certainly the bus drivers are well aware of it, hence the action.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:46pm
      - Viking2
        
        I would call $100k a year for those that rort the system “enhanced”.
        
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        July 23, 2018 8:14pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Or you clean in a more perfunctionary manner and actually spend less time on the job; or clean more efficiently and do a better job. Lots of options and price should not be the only determinant. When they used to have council employed cleaning staff very little actually cleaning went on at all and yetvthe costs were a lot higher.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:12pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Yeah, I’ve noticed the “clean in a more perfunctory manner” one. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to cut it, because the low bidders also try and get their return from their staff’s pay and conditions. Increased efficiency is usually not noticeable, presumably because the competitors are also interested in increasing efficiency.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:45pm
calendar girl

It’s all rumours, KS. And we’ve been warned before by Police Commissioner Mike Bush about repeating rumours.
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July 23, 2018 8:28am
Harkman

It’s final, next election I’m only going to vote for a party prepared to get rid of NZ On Air. These Sunday politics shows are joke, lefty love fests. The other shows funded are worse.
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July 23, 2018 8:33am
- stephieboy
  
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  Harkman, just don’t turn up as no sane voter actually cares!
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:40am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes but its the one million insane voters that I care
    about.
    Like you I really hate their leftist argenda, and their constant anti-Trump tirades.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:11am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    No one cares is the latest sqwark from the resident galah.
    Alt-right
    Trumpeters
    No one cares
    
    ooo, Stormy
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:11pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Posters this morning should more honestly direct their attention to this disgusting piece,

“Trump attacks Michael Cohen over ‘Playboy model payment tape”

President Donald Trump has condemned his former lawyer Michael Cohen amid US media reports that he secretly recorded Mr Trump discussing payments to former Playboy model Karen McDougal.

The tapes were reportedly discovered during an FBI raid on Mr Cohen’s property earlier this year in New York.
Mr Trump tweeted that such a raid was “almost unheard of”.

He added that a lawyer secretly recording a client was “totally unheard of and perhaps illegal”.
* Who is Michael Cohen?
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* Ex-model apologises for ‘Trump affair’
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The president also insisted he had done nothing wrong.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44911915
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July 23, 2018 8:43am
- DJ Ward
  
  So he has some consential sexual activity and the women later bribes him for it.
  
  Who is wrong here?
  The man with a sex drive or the women taking advantage of it.
  
  Is being an Alpha male such a horrid thought to you.
  
  Mueller can’t release these tapes or even acknowledge they exist as they have nothing to do with his enquiry.
  Unfortunately anybody paying attention to this nonsense is perfectly aware they are on a fishing expedition for any dirt on Trump.
  
  Why can’t you use some common sense on this issue?
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:41am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Got their hands on 400 recorded conversations.
    This was the ONLY one that even had Trumps name attached to it.
    It happened years before the election.
    Is this all they have????
    Leaves me with.
    
    SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!!!!
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      RW, but of course it’s not OK when the President’s role model Bill does the same many years ago ?
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:47am
      - Komata
        
        SB
        
        Re: ‘President’s role model Bill does the same many years ago ?’
        
        Do tell, espcially as one is a Republican, the other a Democrat and the twain doth never meet.
        
        Details please…
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:23am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The issue with Clinton is whether his multiple sexual dalliances were consenual. At least one woman has claimed that Clinton raped her.
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:38am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Ha, Bill Clinton had his inappropriate sexual relationship while he was POTUS, and with a young, unpaid intern. Textbook case of inappropriate and the use of power to coerce.
        
        When asked about it, under oath, he lied. Hence his actual impeachment trial was for perjury.
        
        The critical parts are, while in office, coercive act, and lying under oath.
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:19pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    The day that Trump gets a blow-job under the Oval Office desk from someone other than his wife, is the day Trump will lose my support.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:19pm
- RightNow
  
  Trump has waived privilege on the recording so I guess we’ll find out.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:11am
- Inandout
  
  And Trump’s popularity remains unchanged, yipee!
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:30am
brett68

Here come the new taxes and borrowing

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/362382/govt-urged-to-scrap-self-imposed-spending-cap

The way history is getting re written by the media is quite disturbing.
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July 23, 2018 8:44am
- I Hate Wordpress
  
  Here also comes more dependance on public services. I’m all for improved public services, sure, but slow and steady wins the race. These muppets want the govt to blow borrowing out to 60% of GDP!
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    After National spent 9 years getting and keeping it down against
    GFC
    Christchurch earthquake etc.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:26am
- Harkman
  
  It is a worry to hear the words “rebuild public services” 90% of public services are rubbish.
  
  Guess who’s pushing this, Ganesh “rent-a-lefty-economist” Nana,
  “If we stick to those caps for anything more than the next couple of years then we won’t get anywhere near solving the infrastructure deficits that we’ve had across this country, built up over the last couple of decades,” BERL chief economist Ganesh Nana said. “There’s a lot of catching up to be done.”
  
  What infrastructure deficits? Just nonsense masquerading as fact. In 10-15 years time we’ll have to go through the same pain as in the 1980s & 1990s again until politicians learn.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:55am
  - Tricati
    
    Ganseh Nana is only try to justify his position on Joyce’s Fiscal Hole – He needs to be seriously challenged on his position now by someone with a degree of economic knowledge, so that excluded MSM.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:31am
  - waikatogirl
    
    So employ a whole bunch of new paper pushers to fill in their days having committee meetings. Apart from the CoL empire building, how would that enhance the lives of the actual taxpayers, what would those “conversations” achieve exactly Ganesh? ?
    
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    July 23, 2018 11:50am
    - Viking2
      
      Was in Welly last week and what I heard is that people in NZQA and other outfits are leaving.
      Projects being cancelled by Hipkins and co. Going backwards.
      
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      July 23, 2018 8:20pm
holysheet

I got a job clearing shit out of the Auckland sewers. First day on the job I was put with an old bloke who’s been doing the job for years. The old bloke was munching on a ham roll, talking about the job.
‘Boy’, he says, ‘you can tell a lot about people by their shit’. ‘For instance, that big dark stinking one over there came from Remuera. They’re posh there, and eat rich food, and their shit looks like that’ ‘Then, see that little scrawny yellow one over there. That came out of a refugee enclave at Mt Roskill. They only eat cheap food’ Then the old bloke pointed and says, ‘fuck, look at that one over there. That’s from a poofter from Ponsonby.
‘How do you know that?’ I asked.
‘Coz it’s countersunk on one end’
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July 23, 2018 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  holycrap,ZZZZZzzzzz..
  
  Let us giggle at the paint drying!
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:45am
- oldgolfer
  
  Thanks, holysheet.
  There was also a variation on that theme, with one of the workers seeing a giant rat riding a turd down the channel.
  ”God God,” he said, ”why are you riding one?”
  ”Oh,” he called back, ”it’s keeps me off the piss.”
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Why are turds tapered ?
    
    So it doesn’t come out with a bang.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:25am
tedbear

Remember that NZ paediatrician Sir Peter Gluckman who suddenly became an authority on climate?
I heard on the radio yesterday that he now considers himself an authority on Genetically Modified food.
How does one suddenly advance from being a medical carer of infants, children, and adolescents specialist to an expert on how Earth’s climate works, you know gravitational forces of our solar system, radiation from the sun and cosmic rays from stars in deep space etc and then take a giant leap into becoming an expert into the world of Genetic Modified food, with zero experience in both fields?
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- stephieboy
  
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  tedbear , briefly we will exchange Sir Peter Gluckman’s expertise in Paediatrics and the scientific method with your own.
  
  Carry on…?
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:50am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  We have this nonsense told to us because people who choose to become journalists generally have a poor understanding of science. Words like ‘consensus’, ‘authority’, or ‘settled’, have no relevance in science at all. They are political terms not scientific ones.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:03am
- Albert_Ross
  
  He’s a scientist. That means he understands how science works, how scientific knowledge is developed, when a scientific case has been made and when it hasn’t, how evidence can and can’t be used, etc.
  
  If you are saying that his comments on climate science can be ignored because he’s not a climate scientist, I suggest you think that through a bit more carefully.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:07am
  - KevOB
    
    It doesn’t mean that he actually applies Feynman’s principles or anything other than political desirable output.
    
    When Gluckman rubbishes the IPCC global warming scare for shoddy use of mathematics then I will have some repsect for him.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:51am
- Lance
  
  The ignoramus is strong in tedbear.
  
  Sir Peter has been trained in scientific methodology. He is very good at it within his field of medicine.
  Other experts publish peer reviewed papers which Sir Peter can read and talk with experts across multiple disciplines and come up with recommendations to the NZ govt etc.
  To state that someone cannot comment on any matter unless they are an expert in the field is patiently idiotic and no govt on earth could ever have a scientific advisor as a result.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Lots of people are very knowledgeable in their own field. Lots of people read and talk to others. What is patently idiotic is to have one special person who is treated with extra deference when speaking about matters well outside his area of expertise, just because he has been given a fancy title by the government.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:38am
    - Lance
      
      So there should be no govt science advisors unless they are world experts on their ultra narrow field of expertise?
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:00am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The current Prime Minister to a t
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:22pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  How does one suddenly advance from being a medical carer of infants, children, and adolescents specialist to an expert on how Earth’s climate works…?
  
  One doesn’t. One might, though, as a scientist, be appointed to the role of scientific advisor to the government, in which case one relies on one’s colleagues to provide the basis for a lot of the advice.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:25am
  - dave_c_
    
    Therein lies the problem. None of them do. The one who pays the bills, sets the agenda, and then only needs a modicum of credibility – ergo Gluckman perhaps selling his soul.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:37am
    - stephieboy
      
      dave c, we will now defer for a moment to your extensive scientific knowledge of climate science
      
      Go ahead!
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:25am
      - dave_c_
        
        What an inane comment steffy. I made no assertion about my knowledge – don’t you have something more meaningful to do?
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:29am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        You first, Galah
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:15pm
- Komata
  
  TB
  
  It all depends on whom you know…
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:25am
flipper

Another weekend gone ….
Same old pro Adern-Peters media promotion garbage.
Same MSM idiocy being promoted.
Same idiot Sallies getting publicity for their observation of some idiotic lifestyle choices.
Same anti-sport bias from usual suspects.
Same idiotic Police (Collins) / M o H attack on bowling clubs.
Can we hope for better?
Yep.
But don’t bet the farm on it 🙁
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July 23, 2018 9:03am
- waikatogirl
  
  Simon Bridges interviewed on TV3 this morning. Simon is not in agreement with the CoL going soft on crime and giving those who should be in prison a free pass. He is strong on crime and believes prison is the place for criminals. Speaking from his experience as a prosecutor, Simon said those in prison are there for murder, manslaught, rape and violence. You do not go to prison for stealing a Marz bar or smoking cannabis. Unfortunately, he fluffed the line and said you do not go to prison for stealing a Marz bar or smoking a Marz bar. TV3 have pounced on his mistake and keep playing it over and over.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:19am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I fully support his tough on crime stance. However, that should only apply to those who are guilty. That is the vast majority.
    
    I watched the story of Teina Pora last night. His innocence would not have been proven except for Tim McKinnel who was his knight in shining armour.
    
    There are other innocent people in jail and of course Peter Ellis. Simon Bridges should reconsider his position on this. Andrew Little is right on this issue. Bridges should not oppose for the sake of opposing.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:49am
    - flipper
      
      Quite agree with you on this Chucky….
      But he is a former Police prosecutor.
      The prolems with the system are many.
      Reading the Thomas Royal Comm report is educational.
      Lies, lies and Police evidence then and now
      “Clearance” rates above innocence.
      And things have NOT improved.
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:01am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Simon Bridges actually spoke in the last few days of his support of the Peter Ellis case being reviewed, so you are behind the times there Chuck.
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:55am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        WG, has he changed his mind very recently. He stated that he felt that the conviction was wrong but that it was too late to do anything now. This was only 2 or 3 days ago.
        
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        July 23, 2018 1:00pm
  - jcuk
    
    If I wasted my time watching TV3 … which I do not … I would simply laugh at the gaf and TV3 for highlighting it.
    I hope WG you were busy doing something, like getting eating breakies when you heard it 🙂
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:20am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes I was doing other stuff jcuk. I laughed off Simon’s gaff, but then I’m not a 12 year old TV producer.
      
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      July 23, 2018 11:58am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Great…lets hope they keep playing the fluffed line.
    Because they too stupid to realize, they are playing right into HIS narrative.
    There is nobody in prison for minor offenses.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:32am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Speaking of such, when is David Garrett let out of the KB stocks? (when does his ban end?)
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:00pm
      - calendar girl
        
        11/06/2018
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:19pm
oldgolfer

Not so Arden-friendly on the Coast, with thousands turning out in protest.
If I were Sage, I’d stay well away, and O’Connor might as well pack his bag, too.
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July 23, 2018 9:08am
- rockape
  
  I was down there and it was good to see the turnout. 3 National MPs , Collins Goldsmith and Pugh all on good form. Estimate was 5000 protesters and 3 to 400 trucks. A lot of strong feelings. I bet Jacinda’s phone is red hot with pleading calls from Damien O;Connor!
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:20am
DigNap15

Single use plastic bags are great.
They have so many uses around the home.

They are not a problem in landfills, (how much space do they take up?)
The only problem I see with them is that some of them end up in the sea, fish eat them and drown.
But I don’t litter.
Target the boats and fishermen and the litter bugs of India and Thailand who fill up their rivers with rubbish.
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July 23, 2018 9:08am
trout

This where the Greens would take us:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105638663/nz-super-down-at-least-57m-on-second-green-tech-investment
The main reason Muldoon rejected compulsory contributions into a Super scheme was the prospect of Socialist Governments raiding the funds to finance their crazy ideas.
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July 23, 2018 9:10am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Didn’t Obama lose $500 mill on Solindra?
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    RW , yes appears to be true but not a patch on the current President’s four bankruptcies ,
    
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Not him personally.
      Just four of his Companies. Out of the 500+ he’s owned.
      Also, they were in Atlantic City. Lots of people in the Hotel/entertainment business lost money in Atlantic City.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:08pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Oh, so shall we blame the people of Atlanta for his bankruptcy?
        
        lets not forget Trump Steaks , Trump travel, Trump Pizzas etc, etc ,
        
        https://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
        
        LOL
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:19pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Oh dear, Atlantic City and Atlanta are quite different places.
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ed
        ?He’s so effing dumb it’s like a parody account!
        
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        July 23, 2018 3:22pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Galah, we will now defer for a moment to your extensive financial knowledge of business:
      
      Go ahead!
      
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      July 23, 2018 2:11pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Care to put up your own skills at making money against those of Trump, stephieboy?
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:26pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Yes, designed so his “friends” in Soylandra could transfer their losses over to the taxpayer and make large donations to the Democrats to say thank you. And the advance made at a time when the plant was already known to be a relative failure.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:27pm
- jcuk
  
  Trouble is Muldoon forsore that happening but did nothing to prevent it. But I am glad he killed off the scheme because with it I would have just had a modified NatSup instead of it and my own savings scheme.
  Unfortunately NatSup is just a subsistence allowance for many people who were not able to set themselves up for their old age.
  I sincerely hope that in the future NatSup will not be cut back because of the pityful contributions folk make to the current scheme.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:35am
DigNap15

Re Single Use bags in supermarkets.
I hope it does come back to bite them. (Like in OZ) You don’t always know how many bags you will need.
There will be more shoplifting into own bags!
And people will buy less.
Single use bags cost less than 1 cent if bought in bulk from Ali Babas
I bought a pack of 500 from TradeMe. They are called T Shirt Bags. (get the Jumbo ones)
I plan to walk into my local Countdown with them and make them put my groceries into them BY HAND, instead of those great turntables they have.
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July 23, 2018 9:17am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Some enterprising young person could make money standing outside the supermarket and selling them at $1 for 10 bags.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:46am
- kloyd0306
  
  ….gave Countdown the heave-ho with their green-preaching. They assume that I am irresponsible so why would I support them?
  
  New World do not preach, merely suggest yet still supply MULTI-use plastic bags.
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:31pm
  - calendar girl
    
    The foreigners with Countdown, versus our NZ-owned co-operative with New World, Four Square and the new (excellent) Fresh Choice.
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:32pm
AgainstTheFlow

A Hamilton judge on imprisonment and domestic violence:

“He wanted prevention over detention and said judges thought up clever ways to avoid a three strikes warning because the punishment was “cruel” and imprisonment was a waste of life.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12092323

Enough said.
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July 23, 2018 9:20am
- DigNap15
  
  Wow 200 cases a week in Hamilton.
  The Tv campaign has really worked.
  Prevention is not working.
  The only thing that will work is some really hard sentences on the really vioent guys.
  That will serve as a deterrent. Put them on YouTube, breaking rocks
  It takes two to tango and I bet a lot of women cause the men to get angry in the first place.
  Maybe women should also be more selective in who they chose to shack up with. If the guy has violent tendencies walk away and find a nice quite boring guy.
  Maybe we should do away with the dpb. Children are a cash machine.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:36am
- kowtow
  
  It is quite extraordinary what judges are not doing to protect the public.
  
  Where’s the feminist outrage etc
  
  Indecent assault.
  
  ‘Judge Kevin Phillips discharged the defendant without conviction, which will avert his deportation before undergoing career-saving surgery at a local clinic for a “catastrophic” knee injury.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/footballer-escapes-conviction
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:21am
- backster
  
  I recall a lawyer of the same name being an organiser of anti tour demonstrations in Porirua 1981….In the 60s there were two judges (magistrates) for the whole of the Waikato Stu Hardy and Whisky Joe Ingliss(or similar famous ex military officer)…They did the lot, few remands they cleared the cases each day even if it took til 10pm at night.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:25am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The blokes who brought the injunction against the NZRFU were Philip Recordon and Patrick Finnigan. Recordon is now a District Court judge, but he is not the judge quoted in that story.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:37am
- DJ Ward
  
  This is directly the result of Feminism undermining the role and manipulating the responsibilities of men in society.
  
  At no point do these Women’s Refuge media stories discuss the role of women or the responsibilities of women in Domestic Violence. They are twice as likely to assault thier partner, and far more than men the Deluth Model applies.
  
  They site a 1 in 300,000 event but never site the detials of the cases the Judges (as stated) have been forced to imprison a father. Many of these cases arise from someone calling the cops due to an argument where both parties are equally guilty. Due to police bias the male is arrested and policy is to imprison them until trial.
  
  Hence you get 200 cases a week. A small percentage of those involve violence warranting imprisonment. Along with the vast number of miscarriages of justice caused by police bigotry towards men most don’t deserve anything other than a recorded warning by the police or legal system.
  
  Eg men get imrisoned for having defensive stab wounds to thier hands. The women turns on the taps when the police arrive and cliam the male was violent and they acted in self defence.
  
  Will the Herald contact an organisation that represents male victims of domestic violence next or is its role propaganda.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:51am
MrTips

If you want to see the vicious progressive mindset unmasked, see this: https://youtu.be/YgQy70_LPS4

Ben Shapiro gets physically threatened by a transgender bully on live TV. His crime? Not falling for the wordsmith and social engineering speak. He dared to insinuate all is not right in the mind of transgenders.

Made me lol in one aspect: “Zoey” whatever may have boobs but the mind is still like a common bar-room thug. Guess surgery can’t change that huh?
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July 23, 2018 9:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Frontal lobotomy ought to do it.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:50am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    One of the breweries used to have a bumper sticker that said “I’d rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy”.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:38am
dime

I watched a bit of that Handmaidens tale tv show.

Apparently, leftists online think that’s what the world would be like if the right was in charge lol I’ve never known a capitalist society to act like that…

Anyway, its a brutal society controlled by religion, women can’t own property, they have slaves, gays are killed etc the left find this abhorrent, and rightly so… but the left at the same time – “Welcome Muslims! sharia law is OK!”
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July 23, 2018 9:32am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Apparently, leftists online think that’s what the world would be like if the right was in charge
  
  I don’t know where you got that idea, but it’s wrong. The Handmaid’s Tale is Margaret Atwood’s idea of what the USA would be like if evangelical fundamentalist Christians were in charge. And one of the important take-home messages was that all of these things are already happening, just not all in the one country and not all from the one religion. The idea that she has any enthusiasm for Islam is ridiculous.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:06am
  - Ed Snack
    
    It is amusing though, no ? What is described is almost nothing like even fundamental Christianity (except maybe some crackpot sects run by charismatic conmen), yet remarkably similar to mainstream Islam if unchecked. Very limited rights for women, slavery, anti-homosexual, ticks all the “right” boxes doesn’t it.
    
    Of course Atwood is now persona non gratia having made an unfortunately sensible remark.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:34pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      What’s described used to be as normal for Christianity as it still is for Islam, until secularism came along. Thank the secularist heroes who stood up to Christianity for the fact that those things are no longer normal, but don’t bother thanking the Christians because they’d have those times back again if they could. That’s the whole point of the show.
      
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      July 23, 2018 1:13pm
      - RightNow
        
        All Christians? All Muslims?
        H………
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:33pm
Odakyu-sen

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12090611

“I’m a single mum with two kids, so I’ve been struggling for a long time.”

So many questions.
– Where is the father?
– Is he helping to support the children?
– What about the grandparents? Are they helping?
– There is so much missing from this sorry story…
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July 23, 2018 9:36am
- dime
  
  “She earns about $835 a week, and gets Working for Families and the accommodation supplement.”
  
  does she thank us at any point for the charity she gets? the charity that helps pay for her shit decisions?
  
  “Once she has paid her rent, petrol, food, power, childcare, insurance, phone bill, car costs, and made payments towards her credit card, Work and Income, and student loan debt, she has $1.68 left each fortnight.”
  
  Luckily no interest on that loan eh!
  
  Why don’t they ever provide a detailed breakdown of her budget? bet I can save some money! she clearly isn’t skipping meals.
  
  “That has to cover GP visits, medication, her daughter’s school uniform, stationery, shoes, clothes, car maintenance, vet bills, and medical costs related to her daughter’s severe asthma and her 4-year-old son’s allergies.”
  
  umm why is she paying for GP visits? they are free to under 13’s.
  
  also, children under 6 get “free” prescriptions and after about 20 odd for the year they are “free” anyway. 20 x $5 = $100. am i wrong?
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    If we paid wannabe baby farmers $50k to have their tubes tied (pointless offering it to men), or $50k to be inseminated with the sperm of a genius (so that their kids would likely be of above average intelligence, and therefore be tax payers rather than bludgers when they grow up) the payoff to NZ over long term would be huge.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:40pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Probably did whatever she could to exclude the father from the children’s lives. Thinking her slave would do overtime to support her dream of motherhood. Probably gave Feminist NZ the finger and left for a new life in a country were he wouldn’t be persecuted for women’s choices.
  
  Give men the pill and these situations would occur less often.
  
  But what about the sperm donor?
  You need to understand many females pick disfunctional men to have children with as they are easy to manipulate into pregnancy and courts will automatically give the woman custody as a result.
  No!
  What about the choices she has made.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:12am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Was the father a “scoundrel” that this woman found herself attracted to?
    Are there two fathers?
    As dime suggests, did this woman choose a beta male whom she could manipulate and discard?
    Samantha (25) has a 6-year-old (with severe asthma) and a 4-year-old (with allergies), so she would have been a teenage mother at the time her first child was born.
    I would have thought that an asthmatic baby would put you off having any more children.
    
    The article doesn’t say when Samantha began training to become a primary-school teacher. according to the site https://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs-database/education-and-social-sciences/education/primary-school-teacher/how-to-enter-the-job Samantha should be on at least $48k a year, and her training would have taken 3-4 years.
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:43am
    - DJ Ward
      
      So what your saying is she used the male to support her while she was getting educated then ditched him once he was no longer useful to her.
      Or they had a deal, the male works while she gets educated. Once she is working he will then get educated.
      I think he may have got shafted. Probably no mention of the father as he has already sated Feminist desires, donated sperm and suicided.
      
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      July 23, 2018 10:58am
      - Jack5
        
        There’s a case for universal DNA testing of babies, and building up a national DNA bank so that fathers contribute to the support of their children.
        
        It would be useful in other ways, too, such as medically and for law enforcement.
        
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        July 23, 2018 11:37am
      - DJ Ward
        
        @Jack
        
        Statisticaly about 10% of birth certificates are false. With a women lying to the husband or boyfriend that they are the father.
        There is also (state secret) a number of women who never name the father, and a minuscule number of fathers who never name the mother.
        
        The Crown purchased its own DNA equipment in 2001 for crimes. Only for male offences 99% of the time.
        Feminism and the Crown will never allow DNA to be used for addressing the issue of Paternity. This is despite the same test costing $30 in the farming industry.
        1: Women will be exposed as dishonest.
        2: Women would need to be imprisoned for crimes. Dishonest use of a Legal Document for Personel Financial Gain etc etc.
        3: Many men would abandon thier dishonest cheating partner leaving them on benefits. (Costs billions)
        4: Women would have to explain in court thier decision to exclude the father in custody disputes due to him being a good person but she’s a drop kick.
        5: Women would be prosecuted for having sex with family members like stepsons.
        6: Wealthy men can’t be forced into Marriage using the shotgun wedding technique, with the woman’s real boyfriend being Daddy.
        
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        July 23, 2018 12:14pm
- kowtow
  
  Struggling to pay vets fees. She’s a teacher ?
  Dump the pet (at the Spca of course)
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:50am
- kloyd0306
  
  She deserves credit for earning a living vs being a dole bludger, despite being partly subsidised.
  
  The best we can hope for is that many 19-year-olds will read her story and decide to choose their mates more carefully.
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:41pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  If the house being damp is a problem, she might try drying the laundry outside.
  And if someone with a camera turned up, I’d at least put the vacuum cleaner away! Tidying up a bit would make some space for the kids to play in front of the fire too.
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:42pm
Surely Knott

Auckland Transport is planning some changes to an intersection in the local neighbourhood, and they are sending a Social Sustainability Consultant! to talk to the residents association. Dear god. The SSC is an AT ex-staffer who now appears to be contracting back to AT to consult with the public about AT upgrades.. It’s the second meeting I’ve been to as a volunteer, one also from community facilities where the council staffer leave to become consultants, and then rehired back by council mates, to hold the council’s public consultations with overpriced time wasting workshop meetings with the public. For what should be a straight forward online consultation using existing council staff and paid elected officials to do their job and consult on some basic transport and facilities changes.
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July 23, 2018 9:45am
- Paulus
  
  Not unusual in any Council where redundant people get rehired to do the same thing as a private consultant at huge rates – also so not on the staff numbers.
  
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  July 23, 2018 2:05pm
Longknives

A three year-old boy suffers horrendous wounds following an Acid attack-

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/three-year-old-boy-acid-attack-worcester-suspected-retail-park-police-a8458561.html

When is the UK going to actually fight back? When the hell is the Western World going to wake up to what is happening to them??
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July 23, 2018 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Longknives, this post in MSM Independent comments will thrill you,
  
  BoldBob
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  Filthy pedophile worshipping scums.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:21am
Fletch

The leftist media trumpeted the other day that the U.S was experiencing the ‘highest temperatures ever’… again…

As some have pointed out, it isn’t true. Try this – go to the official NOAA site of State Climate Extremes here –

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records

Change the ‘Element’ drop down at the top of the list to ‘Maximum Temperature’. You’ll see that most of the highest State temperatures occurred in the 1930s. Only two occur this century, S Carolina and S Dakota.
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July 23, 2018 9:55am
- Harkman
  
  Yes the mid 30s were the hottest known in the US, it just so happens to coincide with years of the biggest state spending increases of the New Deal. How the left explains that one is going to be interesting.
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:01am
- DJ Ward
  
  Cherry picking.
  
  Debunked.
  
  https://www.skepticalscience.com/1934-hottest-year-on-record.htm
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    DJ Ward , yes and adding this ,
    
    “..Climate change skeptics have pointed to 1934 in the U.S. as proof that recent hot years are not unusual. Choosing the year 1934 is an obvious example of “cherry-picking” a single fact that supports a claim, while ignoring the rest of the data. In fact they have to cherry pick both a location (the U.S.) and a year (1934) to find data that is far from the global trend. Globally, the years 2014, 2015 and 2016 are the hottest on record, so far…”
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:38am
    - kloyd0306
      
      ….not according to satellite data. Global temperatures have not increased in 20 years.
      
      The Greenies have dropped the term global warming because it doesn’t exist and cannot explain the difference between “weather” and “climate change”.
      
      Total scam, perpetrated by government funded, university educated, pointy-headed scientists, afraid of having to find a real job.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    From 1900 to 1940 there were a number of very hot periods.
    Meanwhile Greenland has added 600 Billion Tonnes of ice.
    East Antarctica is also ahead of the curve in ice extent , as is the Arctic.
    Source DMI
    Anyone who quotes “skepticalscience.com” is brainwashed beyond redemption. It is published by a pure propagandist with no respect for science.
    
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    July 23, 2018 3:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Cherry picking.
      
      Debunked.’
      Sigh, That data came from NCDC- the United States National Data Climatic Centre. It’s been gathering data since 1934. Previously known as the National Weather Records Center, in Asheville, North Carolina was the world’s largest active archive of weather data.
      and NOAA – US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Well, their history as an organisation can be traced back to 1807…
      
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      July 23, 2018 4:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , from the very same NOAA link of yours we get this,
  
  “..Certain weather and climate extremes are expected to become more frequent during the 21st century. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (IPCC, 2007), “confidence has increased that some weather events and extremes will become more frequent, more widespread or more intense during the 21st century”. Thus monitoring and analyzing climate extremes is an important component of assessing the climate system and has received a great deal of attention, especially because the impacts of climate-related changes can vary among regions.
  
  Changes in extremes across North America have already been observed in recent decades. According to the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP, 2008), “most of North America has been experiencing more unusually hot days and nights, fewer unusually cold days and nights and fewer frost days. Heavy downpours have become more frequent and intense. Droughts are becoming more severe in some regions”. The North American Climate Extremes Monitoring (NACEM) product was developed to provide an accessible analysis tool that will help improve the understanding of observed changes in extreme climate conditions by providing users the ability to examine trends and occurrences of certain types of extreme or threshold events at the station-by-station level…”
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:36am
  - All_on_Red
    
    That’s AR 4 you’re quoting.
    What does AR5 (2013) say?
    ‘AR5: It is very likely that the numbers of cold days and nights have decreased and the numbers of warm days and nights have increased globally since about 1950. There is only medium confidence that the length and frequency of warm spells, including heat waves, has increased since the middle of the 20th century”
    ‘Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century, due to lack of direct observations, methodological uncertainties and geographical inconsistencies in the trends. Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated’
    ‘AR5: Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities’
    
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    July 23, 2018 3:28pm
Fletch

A warning from a Father Dan Beeman on Twitter –

Dear Parents: Get Snapchat off of your kids’ phones. Now. Don’t ask. Just do it. Let them hate you. That will pass.

Love, a priest who hears their sins.

https://twitter.com/inthelineofmel/status/1020673619125469184
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July 23, 2018 9:58am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Yeah, every parent loves receiving parenting advice from people with no kids – that’s just the bestest advice there is…
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:09am
  - Fletch
    
    But when he is the medic in the trenches of the battlefield cutting out shrapnel from the wounded, the recommendation of prevention above cure might be worth listening to….
    
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    July 23, 2018 10:15am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I wouldn’t like the idea of a priest spending time alone with my kids in the first place, never mind telling me how to raise them.
      
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      July 23, 2018 12:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You need “Priest Off!”
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veoQFiaz-zI
        
        Hey, wonder if it works on Sex Pests at the Mall
        
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        July 23, 2018 3:38pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        You should worry more about teachers, as a %, teachers have a higher offending rate.
        
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        July 23, 2018 4:10pm
tedbear

@ Albert_Ross 9.07am “He’s a scientist”
For a donation of US$35.00, your dog can become a scientist.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/07/friday-funny-the-newest-member-of-the-union-of-concerned-scientists/
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July 23, 2018 10:05am
plc

One of our government departments has just hosted a workshop for “stakeholders” across government and NGO sector on what Maori culture can teach us on digital service delivery.
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July 23, 2018 10:40am
- DigNap15
  
  And to think that we are paying for this crap.
  Maori didn’t even have writing before the Europeans came.
  They don’t even know where they came from (yet they are such good navigators)
  They are also the only race in the world that cannot get ahead in western education systems
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:55am
secondcumming

Picked up a young Aussie hitchhiker last night. He seemed surprised that I’d pick up a stranger and asked, “Thanks but why would you stop for me? How do you know I’m not a serial killer or something?”

I told him the chances of two serial killers being in one car would be astronomical.
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July 23, 2018 10:42am
- jcuk
  
  Corny but best one today on GD 🙂
  
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  July 23, 2018 10:54am
  - DigNap15
    
    That’s not corny at all, its very original
    
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    July 23, 2018 11:56am
- DigNap15
  
  Ha Ha, that’s a good one!
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:53am
Monique Watson

OH that’s a good one @secondcoming.

I was trying to instruct my kids last night and I quite often throw random stuff at them. I asked them to use the word “Geometry” in a sentence.
The older one is clued up to the max and being as we live near Walnut Creek I got this:
“A little walnut grew and grew until it finally awoke one day and said, ‘Gee, I’m a tree.
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July 23, 2018 10:52am
Jack5

Britain has dropped its opposition to extraditions where the extradited may face the death penalty.

So a bunch of terrorists will soon be on their way to the US for trial.

How terrible. They could have sent them to New Zealand for golf lessons.

https://www.todaytells.com/christchurch-teen-convicted-for-plotting-nz-terror-attack-takes-up-golf-on-road-to-rehabilitation/
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July 23, 2018 11:15am
- Jack5
  
  I thought I had found a picture of the terrorism plotter who was sentenced to play golf. But I think it turns out to be another of NZ’s diversity-dividend newcomers.
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/04/new-zealands-third-would-be-terrorist-gets-a-slap-on-the-hand-with-a-wet-bus-ticket/
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Here, Stephie! Here, Stephie! Stephie, Stephie, Stephie!
    
    Come and try this nice bait.
    
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    July 23, 2018 11:23am
Manolo

Weird, unhinged:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/what-is-she-wearing-hillary-clinton-looks-like-hell-at-ozyfest-in-new-york-video/

Hillary donned a mumu-style top that nearly touched the floor and white pants. Her hair was disheveled and she had very prominent bags under her eyes.
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July 23, 2018 11:24am
- Inandout
  
  She has obviously been let out for a while and hadn’t had time to change clothing. I was looking for guys in white coats behind the stage.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:50am
- Nermal
  
  Was she having breakfast at Bernie’s
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:43pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  She’s looking to connect with her yo-mama following?
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:57pm
Longknives

The Fame Whore is back-

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12093673

Christ what a lame story!
This character is just addicted to the spotlight isn’t he? Oh well I suppose he isn’t bragging about his hundreds of Sexual Conquests or changing his story about where he met Jacinda today…
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July 23, 2018 11:42am
- Inandout
  
  Is Clarkey sharing the breast?
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:51am
- The Heat
  
  “‘I panicked’: Clarke Gayford’s hilarious run-in with police”
  
  hilarious…….sides splitting…..can’t restrain laughter…..tears…..please stop…..please…..stop…..
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:53am
- Jack5
  
  You ain’t read nothing yet …
  
  Just wait until Jacinderella arrives back in Parliament.
  
  Then breast feeds the Royal Baby in the House.
  
  And has ghost writers create a zillion columns on baby raising, and being a middle-age Mum, and on juggling a baby with Prime Ministership, and on how to keep a home dad under the thumb.
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:01pm
- VicParking
  
  I think its the only excuse he can used to get off the chain and go “Fishin”
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HK5HtK-Mef0
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:25pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  It ain’t called click-bait for nothing. Have you tried not clicking on it?
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:56pm
- Paulus
  
  To counteract the huge picture of our Sainted Cindy in today’s NZME papers.
  Beginning of the resurrection next week of her Majesty – the Mighty Woman.
  
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  July 23, 2018 2:10pm
- RF
  
  Jesus….. the sleeze is back.
  
  Time for him to foxtrot oscar out of our lives…..
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:21pm
Jack5

New Zealand is now a log-wage country, Michael Reddell shows on his blog.

Using the measure, total employee compensation, Reddell says:

New Zealand comes 24th in the OECD, with the usual bunch behind us – perpetual failures like Portugal and Mexico on the one hand, and the rapidly emerging former communist countries on the other. On this estimate (imprecise) Slovenia is now very slightly above New Zealand

https://croakingcassandra.com/

Meanwhile, Statistics New Zealand is about to change the way it measures migration – outcomes v. intentions.

Let’s keep an eye on this in case it’s used to fudge the rate of people who pour in on the education-visa rorts.
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July 23, 2018 11:48am
- Jack5
  
  I meant to type “low wage,” of course, but I like the picture of log wage – bit like Soviet work camp prisoners dragging logs through the snow.
  
  I guess “low wage” is relative, and the young folk coming into the country on the student visa rorts don’t think it’s that low wage or they wouldn’t be happy to start off in pizza parlours and petrol stations.
  
  Still, New Zealanders have traditionally measured our wealth in comparison with other Western countries.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:55am
  - DigNap15
    
    We are a very high waged economy.
    
    Wages in Chile are $7 an hour
    China $4 an hour
    The USA and Canada $14 an hour.
    Ours are at least $16 and going up soon.
    
    We do however have high costs, due to our small population our long distance from big suppliers, our high bureaucracy salaries, our lack of competition if groceries and building and our high markup mentality.
    
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    July 23, 2018 12:56pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Yep distance from supply and nixing of key industries is what is sucking the life blood from the economy.
      
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      July 23, 2018 1:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      Did you pull those figures out of a hat, DigNap15? What is your source?
      
      The OECD figures used by Michael Reddell indicate that the annual average amount received by an employee in the United States is 80 per cent higher than received on average by an employee in New Zealand.
      
      You are correct about Chile. Total average annual wage in NZ is 50 per cent higher than in Chile.
      
      But Chile is a poor country, whether or not you compare it with NZ. By GDP per capita, Chileans are the 81st richest folk in the world, while New Zealanders are the 48th richest. The US is 19th richest by this measure. (Oil states plus Luxembourg and and Singapore are in the richest ten.)
      
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      July 23, 2018 1:43pm
      - DigNap15
        
        They were off the top of my head guesses based on my previous reading. I still stand by them and they can be looked up on various comparison sites etc.
        
        Our “problem” is that we are so near to Australia which is one of the world richest countries (minerals) and has some of the highest wages.
        
        We all have friends or relies there, and we can move their very easily.
        But try to move to say Luxemburg or Saudi Arabia.
        
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        July 23, 2018 2:25pm
      - DigNap15
        
        The average wage in the USA s skewed due to the number of seriously rich people there.
        What about the average truck driver, or teacher, or shop assistant, or factory worker.
        
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        July 23, 2018 2:27pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        (Oil states plus Luxembourg and and Singapore are in the richest ten.)
        
        Gosh, they must have really, really poor environmental records.
        Just as well we canned o&g exploration so we won’t ever make top ten and be as bad as them //
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:03pm
    - Paulus
      
      It is reported that our Nurses are the seventh highest paid Nurses in the World (currently).
      But are understaffed by too many admin staff.
      
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      July 23, 2018 2:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Could nurse training be a factor?
        
        Once it was almost apprentice-style. Now it takes years at polytechnic.
        
        Do they need to split the nursing profession in two: one occupation for academically trained nurses whose work that encompasses many tasks once reserved for doctors; the other occupation for apprenticeship-style nurses?
        
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        July 23, 2018 5:41pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/lauren-southern-israel-folau-and-the-problem-with-criticising-religion/ar-BBKWBmR?li=BBqdg4K

A very interesting article chipping at the foundation of the rationale for banning Southern. A great balanced read.
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July 23, 2018 12:07pm
realityczech

Great story today about a kiwi pervert who tried breaking into a young girls home in the USA. Mum shot the creep and the cops locked him up. The little girl was fine thanks.

Here in NZ the left demand the right to attack kids in safety so they oppose guns.

Labour has made no comment on the attackers membership status.
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July 23, 2018 12:29pm
- realityczech
  
  Guns save lives. Again. Leftist pedos outraged.
  
  “US girl’s mum shoots Kiwi her daughter met online, as he tried to enter their home”
  
  When New Zealander Troy Skinner showed up at a 14-year-old girl’s US house, he allegedly claimed he was a hitchhiker who needed help.
  
  But authorities say he clearly had bad motives, after he allegedly smashed a glass door and tried to enter the Goochland, Virginia home – even when one of the occupants had a gun pointed at him.
  
  “All I can say is the manner in which he attempted to enter that home in the face of a firearm pointed at him and the implements we recovered from him – the only inference is that he had very bad intent,” said sheriff James Agnew.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/105009122/us-girls-mum-shoots-kiwi-her-daughter-met-online-as-he-tried-to-enter-their-home
  
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  July 23, 2018 12:39pm
timmydevo

Poverty. The Environment.

I’m getting so sick of the talk about poverty in NZ. People make choices, sometimes terrible choices, but in NZ we have such a strong safety net that you can still survive, in relative comfort too.

Less care, less responsibility.

Also, these damn plastic bag and straw campaigns. Tired of them. If I use something, I put it in the bin. People who get stuff, then litter… they’re not going to respond to a campaign.

If you have some time, I stumbled on this Youtube clip that shows TRUE poverty, TRUE environmental damage (needs more than a straw campaign)….. The Yamuna, India’s most polluted river.

People of NZ: shut up, and take some more responsibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHCaIvPN2rY
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July 23, 2018 12:57pm
- DigNap15
  
  A great post!
  Just walk around your town and see how many people are buying take away coffees, how many people are sitting in cafes.
  How many have mobile phones, smart tvs and broadband at home watching tv all day.
  The shops are full, the car parks are full, the streets are full.
  The only “poverty” is amongst the people that have not tried to improve themselves and have a victim mentality. Or those who have 6 children by six different fathers and want us to pay for them to stay home all day!
  
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  July 23, 2018 1:03pm
DigNap15

One negative about the low quality migrants that we accept is this…
So many of them send a lot of money back to their families each week.
Eg today I saw an Asian lady sending $100 back to her home country.
That is money that should be staying here in NZ to build our economy, not theirs!
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July 23, 2018 12:59pm
- starboard
  
  Are you being serious? Really..are you ?
  
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  July 23, 2018 2:23pm
Surely Knott

We now know what ideas Mr Goff would NOT like us to hear in public places. Here are a few events Mr Goff is supporting in the Auckland Museum: Shift Happens Intersectionality in Feminism Symosium, Late at the Museum #MeToo (This LATE we assess the repercussions and reactions that are redefining the sexual landscape and explain how society might change in the proces ) and an evening with Helen Clark. Biased much. What we do know is that all of those topics and speakers are highly politically charged. If the council venues fund political messaging via events and panels do they then have an obligation to be balanced. End result it’s a lot cheaper to go to the museum and here subsidised government endorsed propoganda.
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July 23, 2018 1:03pm
- Longknives
  
  “An evening with Helen Clark”
  Dear God- I’d rather stay at home driving a rusty nail through my left bollock!
  Do people actually pay money to hear the bitter old witch??
  
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  July 23, 2018 4:51pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Perhaps there should be a suggestion of disruptive protest. Maybe then the speech will be deemed not inclusive and the venue will be withdrawn?
    
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    July 23, 2018 6:11pm
  - RightNow
    
    They turn up in red coats sporting blue rinses. It’s quite the sight.
    
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    July 23, 2018 11:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is the Auckland War Memorial Museum a council venue?
  
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  July 23, 2018 6:14pm
howitis

So, former massive fat guts Chester Borrows thinks we need to be gentler on criminals and they will find their way to picking daisies in bright, beautiful, bountiful meadows with 100% pure chocolate (fat free) rivers.

This is from the Fat Bastard who surely would have known that being immensely FAT – as he was for years – is unhealthy. It can lead to diabetes, heart condition and early death.
He knew all this, or should have.
And still he was a Fat Bastard because he kept eating too much.
He was not able to control his eating to the point he was a lump of blubber.

Will power alone or even knowledge may not be enough.
And yet..
Chester tells us if we hug- a-crim, give them some education, and knit them a unicorn fur jumper for those cold nights they will turn their life around…
…voluntarily!

Even though Chester could not stop stuffing his face despite knowing it was bad.
In the end, Chester had to resort to intervention with stomach stapling as he could not control himself.

Nonetheless, formerly fat Chester expects us to believe that a hug and a fluffy unicorn jumper will make crims become non -crims.
In Chesterworld, they will help little old ladies cross the road, not bash them on the head and nick their shopping.

Chester Borrows is about to be paid well as the hand maiden of Labour to let out more crims on the street … under false pretences.
Chester Borrows is deplorable.
Borrows is more than a Crim hugger.
Borrows is a Crim enabler.
With an education, knowledge etc Borrows could not stop stuffing his face and required intervention from outside…
..yet he tells us that education and knowledge for (sometimes low IQ) criminals is enough and he wants to take away the intervention – the intervention that sends out of control bad bastards to jail.

Perhaps when formerly fat Chester was on the operating table to have his saggy guts tightened they gave him a reverse lobotomy.
Since then he has come out in favour of :-
-More moozlems in NZ
-Freeing more crims on the streets
-promoting revisionist ‘history’ of 19th century Maori fables
– promoting Anti Trump hate speech (but it’s OK when the left do it)

Another addiction for Borrows:- once he was gobbling from that taxpayer trough, he has found it is too good to ‘bypass’.
Like a RINO he was in the wrong party. He has found his home now.
The home of rainbows and bullshit!
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July 23, 2018 1:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  howitis, when did you have your radical lobotomy as a matter of interest?
  
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  July 23, 2018 3:59pm
  - howitis
    
    Lined up for tomorrow; when I came back to KB and saw you were still stinking the place up.
    
    Aloha snackbar to U, mofo!
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:23pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Tell us how you really feel about Chester why don’t you?
  
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  July 23, 2018 4:11pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Don’t pick on Chester. Keeping Stock will be very upset.
  Besides, Kiwibloggers loved Chester when he ran over a pedestrian.
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:33pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The fuck he did. The idiot protester put it’s foot under his tyre.
    Chester was acquitted, or do you prefer not to remember that?
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    If he was really a top bloke he would take out a cyclist.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:26pm
  - RightNow
    
    ROFL! Can we see it online again, do you know?
    
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    July 23, 2018 11:41pm
Manolo

What will our resident Muslim say?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5972557/Migrants-undergo-Australian-Values-test-Alan-Tudge-says.html

In April, Daily Mail Australia reported how sweeping changes could be made to the Australian citizenship test in a bid to test the values of migrants looking to settle in the country permanently.

A set of questions determining if a potential citizen shares the same values as the nation could be added to the test, including questions on domestic violence and child marriage.
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July 23, 2018 1:28pm
- kowtow
  
  They really need to be honest and just say ‘Muslims Need Not Apply”
  
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  July 23, 2018 1:34pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I do wish they would do that.
    But the United Nations would not like that.
    They don’t like any western nation thumbing their nose at them. Buts its OK for one hundred other states to do what they like.
    
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    July 23, 2018 2:21pm
secondcumming

@RT reports: *SKELETON JUICE*

The Internet has a lot to answer for……. 🙁

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1020756548451217415
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July 23, 2018 1:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  secondcumming, all it takes is a salacious sicko like you to repost it.
  
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  July 23, 2018 3:52pm
Jack5

The American TV personality, Matt Lauer, who is blocking access to a southern conservation park is a Liberal Leftist.

NBC sacked him over alleged sexual misconduct, but Radio NZ reports Lauer passed an NZ Overseas Investment Office good character test.

https://www.mrc.org/media-reality-check/ten-years-matt-lauers-liberal-bias

AND

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nbc-sacks-newsman-matt-lauer-over-alleged-sexual-131050226.html
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July 23, 2018 2:03pm
- Paulus
  
  Lauer facts please – not left wing bullshit !
  
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  July 23, 2018 2:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Paulus, are you saying Lauer isn’t a Leftist?
    
    Here’s Fox News on Lauer’s firing:
    
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/5662137282001/?#sp=show-clips
    
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    July 23, 2018 2:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , the sexual misconduct accusations pale before your President Trump,
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Lauer
  
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  July 23, 2018 3:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You can hardly talk about sexual misconduct.
    Biggest creepy perv on here.
    
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    July 23, 2018 4:03pm
    - Jack5
      
      All_on_Red, you are talking about the Stephiestani Trolls Ltd team member who peers on pubescent and near-pubescent girls at Auckland supermarkets?
      
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      July 23, 2018 4:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed, I repeat Lauer’s sexual misconduct pales before Stormy Daniels and your President’s other serial sexual misconduct allegations.
      
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      July 23, 2018 4:23pm
      - Longknives
        
        Has the President been lurking around St Lukes Mall perving on “Young Honeypots”?
        
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        July 23, 2018 4:49pm
    - Manolo
      
      Is our resident Muslim known for his peculiar sexual proclivities? I feign complete ignorance on the matter. ?
      
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      July 23, 2018 5:13pm
  - Manolo
    
    Is it really you, stephieboy?
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:14pm
Komata

Concerning Mr Lauer, this from the Stuff online website:

‘Lauer has partly opened up Hunter Valley Station to the public, complying with conditions set by the Overseas Investment Office when he bought the farm last year.

But the Department of Conservation and the Walking Access Commission are now pushing for unfettered access for trampers, hunters and tourists to a 40km unsealed, lakefront road that runs through the property’.(1)

Umm, perhaps I’ve got it wrong, but the guy has complied with the OIO demands, yet DoC is now DEMANDING that he open his property to all and sundry, and are getting all bitter and twisted when he won’t comply, his argument being essentially ‘My land, my choices, I do what I want with it. In this instance I CHOOSE to keep people off MY land’.

Am I correct in believing that (barring such groups as the Police and Fire Services), in NZ a property owner has the ‘right’ to decide who can go on his land?

Surely, if DoC are THAT desperate to access the land behind Mr Lauer’s property (which, oddly, they weren’t beforehand, if the article is to be believed) , they should fund the construction of a road from some other point, or is this just another DoC attempt to ‘prove’ something to ‘someone’ and to justify their existence as ‘Protectors of the environment’?

As I said, I may have missed it, but can someone explain what gives DoC their ‘special powers’ in this instance?

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1 Andrea Vance ‘Controversial TV star expects millions to give public access to South Island station’ [online], Stuff, 22 July 2018, https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105595864/controversial-tv-star-expects-millions-to-give-public-access-to-south-island-station [accessed 23 July 2018]
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July 23, 2018 2:42pm
- Jack5
  
  Hunter Valley Station is pastoral lease and special lease, not freehold.
  
  The ownership is through Lauer’s company, Orange Lakes NZ.
  
  The Overseas Investment Office summary of the application to buy the station incudes:
  
  ” … the Consent Holder has demonstrated its willingness to facilitate, as lease holder, public access to several important sites on or around the Land.”
  
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  July 23, 2018 4:05pm
  - Komata
    
    Jack5
    
    Thank you.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:18pm
Manolo

Our own stephieboy will disapprove:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-approval-rating-inches-higher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201

President Donald Trump’s approval rating edged higher during a week in which he faced withering criticism following a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, signaling that he is positioned to weather the latest controversy sparked by his unusual brand of politics.
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July 23, 2018 2:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He’s done it. He is beating one modern US president in net approval after this amount of time in office. Only Harry Truman was this unpopular after 18 months in office, so does that mean Trump is on target to match Truman’s surprise re-election in 1948?
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:13pm
dime

lol From Trump.

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!
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July 23, 2018 4:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  dime, much like Kim Jong-un. Whatever became of that bloated piece of rhetoric cap locks and all!
  
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  July 23, 2018 4:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Putting his puerile threat in ALL CAPS has the added bonus of letting the mullahs know that he is really serious, or demented, depending on whether they:
  1. Know their internet laws and memes
  2. Give a shit about deranged tweets.
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:06pm
  - Nookin
    
    I think one of the reasons why US was troubled by Iraq and Iran and needed a quick solution (by favour or force) was that they were manifestly unstable — not politically but mentally.
    Iran, therefore, has every reason to worry about the US.
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:26pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    A lot of people make a lot of noise about nothing, not mentioning any names though Mike
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:37pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Dime stop it. You make Mike’s head explode.
  His roof is on fire – burn motherfucker!
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m not going to lose sleep over Trump wanting to bomb Iran. It might even happen, although Uncle Vlad will probably say nyet.
    Trump has only inherited wars so far, and abased himself before enemies like North Korea, China and Russia, so at some stage he is bound to want to start a war for himself against a weak opponent. Watch out Venezuela and Cuba.
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:47pm
    - realityczech
      
      The warmongering hag Hillary said she would bomb Iran if she got the power. Along with threatening Russsia and North Korea. Trump will settle things with Iran in the same way.
      
      Trump has spread peace, something you seem disgusted by. Apparently you want millions dead. We expect that from a lefty coward.
      
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      July 23, 2018 5:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        We come in peace – shoot to kill.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6VSh_TxoU
        
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        July 23, 2018 5:56pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        TDS idiots all the same. They would like WW3 carnage just so they can blame Trump – such is the demented brain disorder known as Liberalism
        
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        July 23, 2018 5:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  dime, now why does one half-wit who tweets and conducts foreign policy using cap locks appealing to his half-witted followers like you?
  
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  July 23, 2018 6:58pm
Jack5

Australia’s ABC, the English-language equivalent of New Zealand’s Maori and NZ Pidgin broadcaster, Rādīō NZ, has a slab on the details of whether NZ has a back door into Australia.

The liberal ABC is out to show that NZ could safely hold refugees from Manus, but the fact that the issue is highlighted will draw Australian politicians’ attention to the special visa arrangement under which New Zealanders visit Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-23/fact-check-nz-immigration-asylum-seekers/9990360
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July 23, 2018 5:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps the Australians could build a big, beautiful wall along their eastern seaboard and make New Zealand pay for it.
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:36pm
  - realityczech
    
    I would support that milky. Aussie owes the world and New Zealand nothing. If you freaks and failures don’t like Aussie then don’t go there. They won’t give a fuck.
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Are you sure Australia owes the world nothing? Surely the debt to the British for populating the land with Irish convict and eliminating the pesky aboriginal inhabitants must be acknowledged. Not to mention the gift of cricket.
      
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      July 23, 2018 6:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        “eliminating the pesky aboriginal inhabitants”
        
        The fuckers are still there milky. Try and buy a bit of meths for the cooker up North!
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:42pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, what about a 2000km moat?
    
    They could fill it with sea water, and have fucking great fans to make it choppy, like an ocean.
    
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    July 23, 2018 5:45pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Maybe they could fill if with sharks, and crocodiles in the northern parts.
      They’d better watch out, though, or we’ll start broadcasting in pidgin Australian to Norfolk Island to encourage their freedom fighters to rise against Australian tyranny.
      
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      July 23, 2018 5:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        milky the Northern part should be used as a weapons testing area. Aussie could hire it out to the worlds military to offset the cost of dealing with illegal invaders. They could get a rebate on the hire fee for every boat sunk.
        
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        July 23, 2018 5:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You might be unaware that the British sought New Zealand permission to use the Kermadec Islands to test their H-bombs in the early 1950s. Even Sid Holland wasn’t stupid enough to go for that.
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:09pm
      - nasska
        
        I haddn’t heard that one Mike. They’ve never really been on our side. They had our servicemen slaughtered in their wars, sent us their third grade tradesmen, stuffed us by joining the EEC & now it’s revealed that they were hellbent on irradiating us.
        
        Pack of bastards! 🙂
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:35pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The British really stuck it to us in the 1950s. Read up about how they sold us the abysmal navy cruiser Royalist, then sent it and our crew to war against Egypt without bothering to tell the NZ government.
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Operation Grapple
        
        The Admiralty suggested the Antipodes Islands,[29] which are about 860 kilometres (530 mi) southeast of New Zealand.[30] In May 1955, the Minister for Defence, Selwyn Lloyd, concluded that the Kermadec Islands,[29] which lie about 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) northeast of New Zealand, would be suitable.[31]
        
        They were part of New Zealand, so Eden wrote to the Prime Minister of New Zealand, Sidney Holland, to ask for permission to use the islands. Holland refused, fearing an adverse public reaction in the upcoming 1957 general election in New Zealand. Despite reassurances and pressure from the British government, Holland remained firm.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Grapple
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:45pm
Monique Watson

That’s a fucking nail biter that Carnoustie. Watching delayed coverage. Woods has a Gold set up and by fuck isn’t he good at getting himself out of the shit? The amount of times he’s nailed it out of the bunker. I’d forgive him for all cross-faded driving charges on the basis of how he played over the weekend. Hope he gets a decent agency and doesn’t have to resort to Tinder.
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July 23, 2018 5:33pm
realityczech

Milt, why are all these Muslims and darkies coming to the West if it is so nasty and racist?

Seems strange when only a tiny minority of the world is white and Western.

Why?
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July 23, 2018 5:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  They that love the Holy One shalt dispel carnality and sin; they shalt be shielded from the internet trolls.
  
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  July 23, 2018 5:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    milky,
    
    Exodus 20:7
    7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
    
    Not sure Labour HQ will like you promoting Christianity though milky.
    
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    July 23, 2018 6:02pm
    - nasska
      
      Hang on a tick until I grab a hymn book & a collection plate.
      
      We can have ourselves a service! 🙂
      
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      July 23, 2018 6:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Your text is:
        Abiah, son of Zerah did buryeth pots of olives and was greedy in the eyes of the Lord God.
        Please provide a précis of your sermon.
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:11pm
      - nasska
        
        As a boarder at a College run by a pack of religious nuts I have an almost photographic recollection of every page of the Holy Book Mike.
        
        Yet I struggle to recall that yarn. Are you sure you didn’t read it in one of the other great collection of fairy tales such as Aesop’s Fables? 🙂
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m sure you must recall this one:
        Jaalam, son of Sisamai did cooketh wagons full of papyrus and was evil in the eyes of the Lord thy God.
        Or was it:
        Bring me a heifer three years old, a she-goat, three years old, a ram three years old, a turtle dove and a young pigeon.
        But how do I tell the genuine ones apart from my random quote generator?
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  Well obviously the west needs to be more nasty and more rascist so they stop wanting to come.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:19pm
- RightNow
  
  Western Culture envy. Funny how the useless idiots who try and wreck it can’t just fuck off to some non Western shithole though.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:47pm
realityczech

There are two types of immigrants:

• Those who want to build a new and better life.
• Those who want to recreate the thing they are escaping.

The first group we could consider allowing in to our country.
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July 23, 2018 6:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  kea, just as well we don’t have an idiot like you creating immigration policy.
  
  A questionto test your sanity. Is it true you believe Australia should build a wall along their easter coastline and make Jacinda, Winnie or even Simon pay for it?
  
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  July 23, 2018 6:28pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You should give up stephie. Go and find something else to fail at.
    
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    July 23, 2018 6:34pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes stupidboy. They can make the Abo’s build it for free to pay back all the welfare they have taken from dinkum Aussies.
    
    They need a good immigration officer
    
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    July 23, 2018 6:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      kea, dinkum Aussies?
      
      https://twitter.com/dameednaeverage
      
      MM etc , Kea your baby?
      
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      July 23, 2018 6:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Kea is my own pet troll-parrot. I find it amusing to let him out of the cage in the evenings.
        
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        July 23, 2018 6:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        I hope you two boys are using condoms.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:03pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just gauntlets for when it’s time to pop the parrot back in his cage for the evening.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:14pm
Nostradamus

your baby?

Once again the resident pervert shows an interest in the pre-teens demographic…
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July 23, 2018 6:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Wow, I reckon only someone with paedo tendencies himself could have read that meaning into stephie’s comment.
  
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  July 23, 2018 6:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  Nostradamus, now why are you thinking of volunteering for Boy scouts and cubs?
  
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  July 23, 2018 6:55pm
  - realityczech
    
    Sweet Jesus !
    
    Now the pervert is offering up Boy Scouts & Cubs to other readers ☹
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    The other day a Kiwiblogger (I forget who) said he no longer takes his children to St Lukes after reading your comments.
    
    But tell us more about your boy scouts/cubs fantasy…
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:06pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Nostradamus, , I’m sure the kiwi blogger must of put a deep dent in Westfield’s profits spreading with widespread panic and fear.
      
      Like here ,
      
      https://nypost.com/2017/07/08/chaos-as-brooklyn-shopping-mall-evacuated-after-gunshot/
      
      LOL
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:33pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        So “LOL” for an article about a gunshot in a shopping mall???
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:55pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    It was Longknives:
    
    Davinci is right Stephie-
    You are more than a little creepy with your salivating over ‘Teenage Honeypots’!
    I stopped taking my daughter to St Luke’s Mall after reading that one..
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:28pm
    - realityczech
      
      I read it as him fantasising over the children of the teenage Muslim girls.
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:31pm
nasska

Nostra

Can you recall the name of a blog run by an expatriate Kiwi who would be well advised to retain that status given his standing with the NZ establishment? He wrote some excellent stuff about the background to the Peter Ellis trial.

He was based in Singapore.
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July 23, 2018 7:07pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Redbaiter wrote about Singapore but, as far as the story goes, he lived more locally.
  
  Hmmm… I don’t know if I ever read the blog you’re referring to.
  
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  July 23, 2018 7:13pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve kept a file copy of a series of comments filling Baity in on real life in Singapore. Seemed that the bastion of conservatism & social control wasn’t that great after all. I’ll see if I can hunt it out & find a link sometime.
    
    But the name of the blog came to me……Laudafinem.
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:20pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Laudafinem – ah yes – I remember that blog. Reid (who no longer comments here) seemed quite impressed with it. Was it based out of Singapore? From what I remember, they claimed to be based overseas but blogged almost exclusively about NZ issues, and even targeted Pete George (who would otherwise bore the living daylights out of drying paint).
      
      Speaking of people who no longer comment here, where have Kimbo and Stigie gone?
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        “targeted Pete George.”
        Sounds good already.
        
        Kimbo got banned for being a pervert.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:26pm
      - nasska
        
        Laudafinem is fairly well off the wall but the author(s) put the case well. The background behind the “Ellis” prosecution was an eye-opener.
        
        I don’t think Kimbo was banned but he copped a strike a couple of months ago & hasn’t returned.
        
        Stigie reckoned he was going on holiday a couple of weeks back.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:31pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Kimbo was not well a while back, reading KB from Auckland Hospital if I remember rightly.
        Hope he has not had more problems…..
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Laudafinem is a scary website.
        Doesn’t appear to have any current info.
        Here’s some of the Peter Ellis stuff
        
        http://www.laudafinem.org/?s=Peter+Ellis
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kimbo told us he was being treated for oesophageal cancer……That’s a very nasty one.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:48pm
- DJ Ward
  
  The site has not been updated for awhile.
  It is presently for sale.
  
  https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=laudafinem&e=com
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:44pm
mikenmildagain

Dark times for Longknives and big bruv. New Zealand now holds all four rugby world cup titles (15s and 7s for both men and women). Could some kind person one link to some videos of bad things happening to NZ sports persons to cheer them up?
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July 23, 2018 7:08pm
- realityczech
  
  You say “world” as if other countries actually care about a group of scantily clad men groping each other in a paddock.
  
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  July 23, 2018 7:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I know for a fact that rugby is more likely to be televised than my parrot’s favourite past-time of making love to his image in the mirror suspended in his cage.
    
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    July 23, 2018 7:31pm
    - realityczech
      
      LOL 🙂
      
      You let it out you miserable prick.
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:34pm
      - stephieboy
        
        kea, letting you out?
        
        Squawk, squawk …!
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:39pm
    - nasska
      
      You should get him a little blow-up plastic parrot to keep him occupied Mike. 🙂
      
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      July 23, 2018 7:34pm
      - pentwig
        
        miky would use it himself
        f..k the parrot!!
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        Between stupidboy’s goats and milky’s parrots , it is like a zoo around here.
        
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        July 23, 2018 7:56pm
      - stephieboy
        
        r c= kea
        
        Correct?
        
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        July 23, 2018 8:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        realityczech is male
        Kea is female.
        
        I suppose he/she could be metamorphosing/transmutating.
        
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        July 23, 2018 8:26pm
stigie

Im still here, enjoy reading the comments thats put up except that fucking know it ztrev and that sordid deviant who visits malls to perv at young muslim girls breasts…..btw, and where’s Dad ?
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July 23, 2018 7:55pm
- realityczech
  
  We miss the grounded and concise commentary of Dad. He was always a safe pair of hands 🙂
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I still want to get the full story about big bruv, Panda sports and those emails.
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  stigie, your advanced CJD finally taking its toll?
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:06pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What’s your beef with stigie?
    
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    July 23, 2018 8:10pm
    - stigie
      
      What he means Milky is that i can’t make love to a goat like he can !~
      
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      July 23, 2018 8:14pm
Monique Watson

Do left-wingers ever have threesomes?
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July 23, 2018 8:18pm
- nasska
  
  Yes, but only three men or three women. 🙂
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:21pm
- DJ Ward
  
  They have 5 somes at youth gatherings.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:49pm
- RightNow
  
  When there’s not enough goats for ztev and stephie to have one each.
  
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  July 23, 2018 11:52pm
DigNap15

Typical, the last hour or so has degenerated into mindless drivel again.
Hardly any constructive comments, from the left or the right.
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July 23, 2018 8:24pm
- Monique Watson
  
  I don’t think of it as mindless drivel but then I’ve argued with all six other members of the household over the last six hours and only the dog is keeping faith. One son still awake and I’m trying to figure out which meds to take so I don’t end up doing the thorazine shuffle tomorrow. Still, kids are happy and well. Watered the garden and planted a rose.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:35pm
Monique Watson

Well, fuck @Nasska, that would be boring. A lot of heading out for coffee and massages and the only thing that would remotely come close to a sex toy would be the daily newspaper, or as it’s now become: The Daily Arsewipe.
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July 23, 2018 8:27pm
- DJ Ward
  
  No wonder politicians love being on the front page.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:01pm
DigNap15

I see that Winston has come out and said that the high taxes on tobacco are not working, and they are contributing to crime etc.

Much as I think smoking is bad, I do feel sorry for those that still smoke.
You would be amazed at the number of young intelligent tourists that come here and that smoke.

I agree the tax has to be dropped back. And a continuing education program carried on.

As to the attacks on dairies. Why do we need them. I think they would have disappeared if it was not for our new unwanted immigrants from a certain sub continent.

They also peddle booze to our young kids.
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July 23, 2018 8:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Corner dairies were a life-saver when I was a young mum without a car.
  
  On filthy rainy days when I had run out of an essential, I only had a 5-10 min slog down& up the hill to a dairy & home…. otherwise I’d have had to make a 30-40 min trip to the supermarket… and been drenched to a bone.
  
  Not every suburb has a supermarket… It can be a long haul for old folks /carless folks to reach some supermarkets. Dairies are damn handy.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps, Maggy, but I don’t think they’re economically viable , or even rational.
    
    If it weren’t for them being a way to use the entrepreneurial-business visa entry to NZ I doubt many would still be around.
    
    And if they were weren’t around perhaps some order-by-internet, deliver by Uber system would by now mean Mums wouldn’t have to walk in the rain even to the corner.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:17pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Anyone reading my comments over the years would know that I am not exactly a big fan of immigration from the third world but are you saying that you don’t care about attacks on dairy owners because they are all immigrants or whatever?.
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    No, Stars and Stripes, dairy owners and staff certainly don’t deserve to be attacked.
    
    But as I see it, there’s a problem. Shopkeepers go into business in dangerous areas at their own risk. Would you feel sorry for a jeweller who set up shop in a rough corner of south Auckland and stayed there despite being robbed? Insurers would soon drive the jeweller out of business, and there would be little sympathy for the shop owner.
    
    Should tax payers, through the police, be expected to make viable those dairies in localities where it is too dangerous for them to operate without heavy police protection?
    
    Tobacco, with its extortionate duty/tax, complicates this argument. But the level of the tax is apparently the will of the people through Parliament.
    
    The tax, by making tobacco theft lucrative, is making it very dangerous to operate a dairy in some localities.
    
    Unless the politicians reduce the duty, you have to assume they don’t want tobacco sales to be viable in tough areas. Piling on police protection at taxpayer expense for such sellers is thus illogical.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:38pm
    - realityczech
      
      That is one of the most flawed arguments I have ever heard. You could justify anything with that and then blame the victims. Fucking moron – are you competing with stupidboy this evening?
      
      Why don’t you just be honest and say you hate smoking? Slippery yid.
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        Slippery Yid?
        
        Sorry to disappoint you, ❗Kea Realityczech ❗ Not so, but there’s no point in using that term when you mean Jew.
        
        You are saying victims can never be responsible, or partly responsible for misfortune. What bird-brained bullshit. And we thought parrots had a modicum of intelligence.
        
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        July 23, 2018 9:58pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah I’m wrong. The treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany was an expression of the people and anyway if they did not like it they could have set up home some place else.
        
        Great point Kike.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        ❗Kea Realityczech ❗- you can’t see the difference between choosing which street or suburb or city in which to locate your business and being exterminated because of your ethnicity, which you can’t choose?
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:18pm
      - realityczech
        
        I can’t see the difference in the PRINCIPLE you established. Special pleading is irrelevant.
        
        The reason diaries are robbed is criminal scumbags. Not hard working shop owners slaving away for a pittance.
        
        Maybe you want to organise your own little Kristallnacht to teach those cheeky darkies a lesson?
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        ❗Kea Realityczech ❗ You talk of “… hard working shop owners slaving away for a pittance.”
        
        But if it’s dangerous, too, why should they persist? There is low unemployment. There are other types of businesses and other locations.
        
        What is the reason for what you would probably call their selflessness?
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes you are right. You can’t trust those non Christians. It is only right they are killed, robbed and their businesses smashed up. They are up to no good, but luckily we have people like you around to point it out.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        What has “trust” got to do with it, ❗Kea Realityczech❓
        
        The businesses are economically feasible, with or without taxpayer support (through special police protection), or they are not.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:41pm
      - realityczech
        
        You need to get a crew together and mobilise soon.
        
        We can’t have business owners calling the police every time they are assaulted, murdered or robbed by criminals. That is not what the police are for.
        
        Act now.
        
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        July 23, 2018 10:53pm
- nasska
  
  If people haven’t given up by now they never will. They’ve been taxed into penury, hounded out of buildings while being nagged by health freaks. They’ve seen gruesome photos on packets, suffered ostracisation & denied residential tenancies.
  
  If they’re still hooked after that all that shit then let the poor bastards kill themselves in peace!
  
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  July 23, 2018 8:56pm
Jack5

Israeli military steps in to help save “White Helmet” volunteer helpers in Syria.

❗Kea-Realityczech❗ you are now in eternal debt to Israelis – the Jews – for saving some of your Syrian relies. EAD isn’t gonna like this happening to his wing man/woman.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/2156372/israel-evacuates-hundreds-white-helmet-rescuers-syria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Helmets_(Syrian_Civil_War)
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July 23, 2018 9:00pm
- realityczech
  
  They probably popped across the border to steal some ammo after shooting all those kids Jacksie.
  
  BTW do you think Israel is the only place Jews live? Iran has the second biggest Jewish population in the region, after Israel.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    Only 9000 Jews left in Iran -Aryan Land – down from 100,000 in the days of the Shah.
    
    Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad, born Mahmoud Sabbaghian, President of Iran from 2005 to 2013, was of Jewish descent.
    
    Famous Persian/Iranian Jews include, according to this source, the Bible’s Daniel and Esther:
    
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:12_Famous_Persian_Jews_.png
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:12pm
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      Jews are a mobile bunch ever since they pissed off God so much that he tossed them out of the Middle East.
      
      Bet ya Purim is not so big in Iran 🙂
      
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      July 23, 2018 9:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Where is EAD? It doesn’t take all day AND night to polish a pair of jackboots.
  
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  July 23, 2018 9:04pm
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    Dunno I have my outfit sorted.
    
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    July 23, 2018 9:13pm
Jack5

Is the vile throwing of acid on the face of a three-year-old child in England related to ISIS?

Three arrested in London for the attack in Worcester, and a fourth arrested in Wolverhampton.

If this proves to be an ISIL terrorist attack it might push the British beyond their usual stoic and calm measured response.

Don’t think these mongrels will be sent to NZ for golf lessons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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July 23, 2018 9:52pm
- DigNap15
  
  Its not just terrorists that do this sort of acid attack.
  Its well known that Indians (hidus) practice acid and petrol attacks on jilted lovers etc.
  Which is why it is best that we do not let them come here and bring their barbaric ways here.
  
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  July 24, 2018 7:21am
Piniwi

Looks like the next industry to come under attack and decimation by the COL has been chosen when we read this just announced: “The forestry industry has been told to rely on growing trees to capture carbon dioxide, rather than cutting them for timber, to earn money from forests on steep hillsides.” “The Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) has made the recommendation following controversy over the dangers of harvesting timber on steep slopes.” You just can not possibly make up crap like this.
Apparently : “Four people have been killed so far this year in forestry accidents, the latest in hill country near Nelson.” In truth these were not all of people actually involved directly in commercial forestry operations but again hysteria is again overtaking facts. Even in the best of commercial operations their are fatalities that when investigated were the result of the individual NOT observing the increased safety measures put in place.
Official stats show only one (1) fatality in forestry harvesting this year to date but the hysteria mounts as other have involved a tree. Meanwhile the tree counter steadily ticks over as the promised big increase in planting has stalled through lack of effort. That was supposed to provide some correction to the perceived emissions problems.
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