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Keeping Stock

Hooray; it’s the weekend!

SWMBO is away, so I have the Sky remote and between the golf, rugby, league and Supercars, the couch seems like a good place to be. I’d better do the lawns first though…
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July 21, 2018 8:01am
- mandk
  
  One down tick.
  
  SWMBO is watching!
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:33am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes, I wondered that 😀
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:24am
    - MrTips
      
      Ryan Fox in by the skin of his teeth KS. Hendry imploded as expected. Fox just needs to work back to par and he would have a good finishing position I think. Carnoustie is just as tricky as Shinnecock hills.
      
      Have to admit the schadenfreude for Knox. he got arsey lucky to beat Fox a couple weeks ago.
      
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      July 21, 2018 10:31am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Fox played pretty solidly, and he’s only nine back of the lead. No one has run away with the tournament, and there are nearly 40 players within six shots of the lead.
        
        I watched a bit of Tiger Woods last night, after the Hurricanes had knocked off the Chiefs. He made a couple of early bogies, and looked a bit fragile. But then he bounced back with birdies on four and five. It’s great to see him at least competitive now, even if not winning. Interestingly, 18 former Majors winners missed the cut, including world #1 Dustin Johnson and #2 Justin Thomas.
        
        Fox missed the cut at the Open last year, so will gain in ranking points this week, and should improve on his current career-high ranking of #84.
        
        Here’s hoping the wind blows a bit today, because a links course without wind, even a course as tough as Carnoustie, is like fish without chips.
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Two now. Mistress(es)
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:54am
- GazzaW
  
  You lucky bugger KS. A few beers in the fridge and/or a couple of bottles of red plus a good curry on the go would be my idea of nirvana.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:52am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    A piece of pork belly will go in the oven early afternoon, and cook away slowly until I am ready to throw some spuds, kumara and yams in with it. After dinner, I may pour myself a generous single malt.
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:23am
    - NZpatriot
      
      Spoken like a true patriot.
      
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      July 21, 2018 2:26pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Pork is an Islamophobic hate crime invented by Nazis and eaten by fascists.
      
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      July 21, 2018 2:43pm
    - RF
      
      I will bring the cheese platter. Do you smoke cubans.
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:12pm
- Viking2
  
  And another for not mentioning the washing, ironing, vacuuming and of course making the bed.
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  July 21, 2018 11:01am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Washing’s on, and I will change the sheets in the morning, so SWMBO comes home to a freshly made bed.
    
    Happy wife; happy life 😀
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:30am
    - RF
      
      My wife has this thing about clean bed sheets. On occasions I have to remind her that there is no need as we have not sullied them. My bruises heal quickly !!!!
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:19pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Advice to all those married less than 34 years.
  Learn 2 words guy’s, they will save you a lot of grief.
  
  They are:
  
  YES DEAR
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:35pm
duggledog

Great post by NZ Direct yesterday on May’s proposals for Brexit

“Its like getting divorced and still wanting your husband to come round and take the rubbish out.”

Couldn’t have said it better. This is why I read this blog.
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July 21, 2018 8:02am
- VicParking
  
  And commit sodomy on you
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:29am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  What May wants is like the battered wife who wants to divorce, but is prepared to let the abusive husband come around and rape her every day of the year squirting AIDS infected fluids into her, while paying the abusive husband for the privilege.
  
  May was always a remainer and as the clock has run down she has been moving closer and closer to where she always wanted to be – this is the most despicable betrayal by an elected official since Obama.
  
  Her name will go down in history as a British Benedict Arnold and the worst PM in that nation’s history.
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:03am
sooty

That far left newspaper the Herald is busy promoting the Commie chick and saying she should drop down to only working 25/30 hours a week and maybe from home. well there is only one thing I can say to that “RESIGN”
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July 21, 2018 8:03am
- waikatogirl
  
  To be fair sooty, Cindy has more important stuff to do these day than concentrate on her job as PM Select. Don’t be so mean to the Cindy who said she isn’t “superwoman”, even though she secretly knew she is. ?
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  From the results so far, I thought she worked about five hours a week and most of those hours spent returning calls to Helun, our new ambassador to the Artic, and the Woman’s Weakly
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:19am
  - VicParking
    
    if she did not visit schools or daycare facilities that would free up twenty hours a week
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:31am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I was amused to hear the drunken dwarf tell Hosking he was off to Southland to (amongst other things) visit a school.
      He must have needed to meet with the cleaner and the cat, because it’s holidays for the kids and teachers are always at home preparing in the holidays.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:20am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    The Arctic rejected her as ambassador – dropped the ambient temperature way too much.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:46am
nasska

Today is Clear Browser History Day.
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July 21, 2018 8:04am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Sponsored by Porn Hub?
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:31am
- VicParking
  
  it’s also Invite an Alien to Live with You Day and take a monkey to lunch day.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:35am
  - holysheet
    
    I thought the idea was to get helen as an ambassador somewhere, not invite to live with you.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:46am
    - VicParking
      
      Kill two birds with one stone. Make up the spare room and take Winston for lunch.
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:53am
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    July 21, 2018 10:32am
  - softail 1450
    
    VicParking, iv’e had 5 aliens living with me for what seems like eternity ,thankfully they have all fricked off to their own lives.
    Their children seem to be a lot less E T like then they were thank god….
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:25pm
EAD_TWO

Peter Hitchens publishes a great article over at the Spectator – “Marxism didn’t die. It’s alive and well and living among us”.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/marxism-didnt-die-its-alive-and-well-and-living-among-us/

He states that most people associate “Communism” with old style Soviet Bolshevism yet the Communism that we are suffering under the weight of is nothing of the sort – rather it is Globalism and is subsuming ancient (European) cultures and traditions into a great brown rootless consumerist soup with most not even knowing what is going on:

But Russian communism was not communism as a whole. That lived on, dissolving itself into a great pink political blancmange of Europhilia, political correctness, multi-culturalism and the sexual revolution.

He explains how the useful idiots of the left changed tact and instead of campaigning for workers rights (which they don’t give a flying f**k about – it was all about creating divisions in a homogeneous united people) they have focused all their energies on “social battles”:

It was and remains amazing just how little this new trend cares about once huge issues such as nationalisation and state control. It is, as my old Jewish comrade David Aaronovitch pointed out all those years ago, much more interested in sex, in more ways than one. It will cheerfully see the railways privatised, as long as childhood is nationalised, lifelong marriage is made obsolete, Christianity and patriotism are disempowered and defeated, borders are flung wide, and education becomes a mechanism for enforcing egalitarianism.

People in the West seldom knew just how interested the old Eastern bloc communist regimes also were in these cultural and moral objectives. The communists loathed lasting Christian marriage and mistrusted all private life. They vigorously promoted abortion and easy divorce

It does stagger me to see how oblivious some right wingers are to the culture wars and how issue by issue, pillar by pillar, they unwittingly cede territory to left-wing extremists until there is nothing left worth defending bar some heavily caveated version of “free speech”.

The article concludes:

Tony Blair himself recently revealed on BBC Radio 4 that he had been a Trotskyist at Oxford. What would once have been a six-cylinder front-page revelation passed almost unremarked. Like the dim MI6 operatives in Tinker Tailor, we’ve been elaborately fooled into believing the opposite of the truth, that Marxism has disappeared and offers no threat to our happiness and liberty, even as we moan about the strange and humourless restrictions on free speech and thought that grow in our midst like knotweed. How did that happen? Think of me as George Smiley, trying to tell you what’s really going on.

Indeed. Our very own Jacinda was on camera telling “fellow comrades” to rise up and smash “the system” yet no one blinks an eye-lid that she is now Prime Minister and National were to timid even to use it against her perhaps thinking no-one is smart enough to care.

Yet the relativley mild mannered speech of Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux are denied a platform and deemed “beyond the pale” despite their views being common sense and received wisdom for millenia.

We are in the middle of the biggest and most permanent revolution the world has ever seen yet most people don’t even know it is going on.
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July 21, 2018 8:05am
- Justitia
  
  Yes, Hitchens is quite right. The long march through the institutions by Marxism over the past 40 years is now in full bloom. Its outlines have been thrown in into sharp relief in this country by the battle over free speech. Here I hope the neo-Marxists have overreached. We are fighting back.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:13am
  - kowtow
    
    The Victoria Police are certainly doing their bit.
    
    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/scandal-police-charge-southern-to-save-her-from-the-violent-left/news-story/d73d7e0c2feea3fb6cf48defc65629bf
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:08am
    - ztev
      
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      They have always ‘charged’ for extra police at commercial events
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:27am
      - ztev
        
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        So much for the ~~SOB~~FSC saying their plantiffs missing out as the NZ leg of the venture is all on.
        
        Had to laugh at her videos which showed her going round the streets looking for antifa to confront and telling her ~~morons~~ viewers shes here to create chaos!
        NZ Judge will love to know all this when the legal crap gets to his desk
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:31am
      - VicParking
        
        Ztev you are so stupid. The legal case has nothing to do with “her” or “him”. But the right to cancel an event because you think you dont like what the people booking the event might say. Blaming it on health and safety even before you have seen the applicants health and safety plan. Etc etc etc.
        You an Phil are like peas in a pod.
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      it looks like you have to pay protection money to the cops if you want to voice some unpopular opinions.
      
      http://joannenova.com.au/2018/07/in-australia-free-speech-costs-68000/
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:03am
  - wiseowl
    
    Fight back.
    Support Trump.
    MNZGA
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:00am
- LTA1955
  
  Top stuff EAD…right on the money
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:25am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Hear hear. Thank you EAD for the link and thank you too for your well written commentary on the original article. I wonder though whether it’s communism or if it’s some other sickness that has infected the western world. Whatever… we are certainly infected with something extremely serious. Cheers!
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:24am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  But Russian communism was not communism as a whole. That lived on, dissolving itself into a great pink political blancmange of Europhilia, political correctness, multi-culturalism and the sexual revolution.
  
  So communism lived on as “anything Peter Hitchens doesn’t like.” Well yeah, if we use that definition there’s a huge number of “communists” throughout the western world, so many in fact that it’s possible for them to elect governments that reflect their views. Or, we could just not use that definition because it’s a stupid one, in which case there are very few Marxists in western democracies these days.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:31am
  - realityczech
    
    Milt, so you reckon communism is still worth a shot – if only we kill and persecute more dissidents – because that is real communism?
    
    Got a rough figure for how many need to die next time?
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:41am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Yes Milt. Look forward to your thoughts defending the Marxist philosophy and inevitable outcomes.
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:54am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        That’ll be a long wait, given that I think Bolsheviks are as bad as fascists. My dispute is with Hitchens claiming that anyone who’s an atheist or is OK with divorce being allowed is some kind of communist. Those are the claims of a nut job, not a philosopher.
        
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        July 21, 2018 10:23am
      - realityczech
        
        That is just what a freedom hating commie heathen would say though. 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:01am
- VicParking
  
  Jacinda’s speech and communist links will come back to bite her at the next election.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:55am
  - realityczech
    
    Vic, No they won’t. The media are not going to let people know that and will run cover stories if anyone tries to tell them.
    
    Look at what happened when people tried to talk among themselves about that sleaze bag Gayford.
    
    Wake up and see how bad it really is right now.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:00am
    - VicParking
      
      The MSM has already showed her speech. They can’t censor adverts. By 2020 the MSM will see the writing on the wall. They are already starting to swing against the COL. All you look at is yesterday and tomorrow and not the long game. It shows how small your brain is. A pigeon could beat you a chess.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:52am
      - realityczech
        
        No Vic, the media tell low information people like you what to think about the speech. Clearly its working already.
        
        The msm front footed it as the speech would be released anyway. Then they run stories to soften and spin it. Then they create a diversion and strawman.
        
        Idiots like you buy it hook line and sinker.
        
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        July 21, 2018 10:01am
      - VicParking
        
        Your pigeon just said checkmate
        
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        July 21, 2018 3:23pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  EAD – National weren’t timid. They’re part of the same damned ideology.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:55am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Indeed Salicious Crumb. I often think those of us on the so called “Alt Right” are the guilty conscience of people who call themselves conservative and conserve nothing while sucking up to big business and they know we’re right.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:04am
    - realityczech
      
      Eddy, I am a liberal atheist and don’t see you as alt-right at all. Self determination and preserving worthwhile cultural elements are worth doing for purely pragmatic reasons.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:08am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      “Alt-right”. Just another label designed to marginalise without any debate of ideas. You are quite correct; yesterday’s ‘conservative’ is now deemed ‘far-right’. The real tragedy is yesterday’s ‘left’ is now centrist. Where does that lead us?
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:10am
artemisia

Wellington police at it again – blanket opposing sports club alcohol renewal licences. And not just bowling clubs. Acting alongside with surprise surprise the Medical Officer of Health.

In a letter to Bowls Wellington, Senior Sergeant Scott Dunn from the Wellington Police District Alcohol Licensing Unit, outlined the reasoning for the sudden crackdown.

“As part of the regulatory agencies made up of police, the medical officer of health, and the council licensing inspectors, we are now reviewing applications and renewals for club licenses in a more robust manner – to be more in line with the provisions of the Sale and Supply of Alcohol Act 2012.”

The police also said they were opposing the Whitby Bowling Club application for renewal because their bar was open at times the police might be a bit busy.
Can’t have those sports club louts taking up valuable police and ER time, now can we.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/105613248/beers-no-more-wellington-police-cracking-down-on-drinking-in-bowling-clubs
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July 21, 2018 8:05am
- Southern Raider
  
  Are Wellington Police the biggest cocks in NZ? They seem to be over represented in making dickhead authoritarian decisions that do nothing to make the community actually safer.
  
  But don’t worry Labour will save the day. They are looking to make an amendment to the Act to get Police to focus on working with sports clubs to educate them on how to reduce harm. FFS they are cops not community health workers
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:14am
  - realityczech
    
    “Are Wellington Police the biggest cocks in NZ?”
    
    Yes.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Hahahaha
      
      Who passed the Act ?
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:35am
      - Manolo
        
        Yes, Notional has a lot to answer for. Ah, the spineless National Party!
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:58am
    - VicParking
      
      Remove the word ‘Police’ in that statement and I would agree with you.
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:57am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Little pigs should be seen but not heard.
      
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      July 21, 2018 12:22pm
  - holysheet
    
    It’s because their proximity to police HQ.
    Got to be seen doing something even if it is stupid.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:49am
    - KevOB
      
      Needs to be closed down so their Senior officers are not tempted to spend their time there.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:00am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    yup. and i feel for the cop on the beat who has to enforce these stupid rules. Top brass are fucking useless and political whores.
    
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    July 21, 2018 6:48pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Year, bowling club members are where our real alcohol problems are.
  Do the plods still have their own bars? Maybe that’s where they should start.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:16am
  - holysheet
    
    Do they need a licence to have one?
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:50am
    - RF
      
      The last plod bar was at the Police College and that’s just been shut down. I understand you can still buy bottles of beer at the canteen.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:00am
      - artemisia
        
        Was the last plod bar shut down because of hundreds of opposing submissions from bowling and tennis club members?
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:02am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Yep – seen some very interesting behaviour in the Wellington Central Police bar. Particularlty like how colleagues pulled over for suspected DIC are taken home without charge. “It would ruin his career”…
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:59am
- Justitia
  
  The Police are totally out of line here and will lose public goodwill. Where does this instruction come from? They are trying to make the law rather than enforce it. Clubs whose behaviour has never been a problem are being victimized , while serious crime is ignored. The public must make clear this is unacceptable.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:20am
  - RF
    
    The Commissioner Mike Bush who is commie chicks poodle is flexing his muscles knowing she has his 6.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:56am
    - Justitia
      
      You mean the convicted drunk driver is trying to make good?
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:24am
  - ztev
    
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    Where does this instruction come from?
    
    Sale of Liquor Act 2012 is where it comes from plus 9 years of national wanting the police to get away from crime enforcement 24/7 and have more cops doing 9to 5 crime prevention/paperwork
    viz “It also outlined that the club had sought trading times that included “periods when police calls for service are at their highest.”
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:37am
    - Happychappy
      
      ztev your not one of those 200 odd that have managed to be infected with the dreaded pox as they say it effects the brain and you seem to be showing symptoms that you might have it with some of your comments.
      
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      July 21, 2018 10:26am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Justitia but of all the establishments that have a licence these clubs and organisation are the least likely establishments to feature in any alcohol related problems. The members and patrons do a far better job of policing themselves than the police could ever do. It is just a social aspect that is enjoyed where some like to have a social drink.
    In the absence of any demographics to indicate that this is a problem area we must expect there is some hidden agenda driving this attitude from the licencing authority. As you say: “They are trying to make the law rather than enforce it” is true as we suffer from those with just some power assuming much more authority than their office affords. Likewise we are constantly reminded how little so many who presume to “know what is best” seem to know least of all as they preach from a point so far removed from real life and the people.
    
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    July 21, 2018 2:29pm
- mandk
  
  Who knows what havoc these hoons would wreak after they have had half a Guinness?https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=uI7RUllp&id=BDD20CF846C0EC5A868817F8E82B7FE8693ECD55&thid=OIP.uI7RUllpXBW56dqvsFcIrQHaFC&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.europalace.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fwww_europalace_com%2F2016%2F09%2FLawn-Bowls.jpg&exph=442&expw=650&q=old+people+playing+bowls&simid=608024426475227263&selectedindex=9&ajaxhist=0
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:39am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I am going to Wellington next Friday for a 60th Birthday. Can I still buy beer and whiskey to drink at home? Or will the biggest cocks consider a bunch of 55 to 65 year olds unruly?
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:30am
  - RF
    
    As long as you do not go drag racing in your motorised scooter you should be ok.
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:00am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Gotta have some fun:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hVQp1Wxl1w
      
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      July 21, 2018 10:10am
  - Fletch
    
    If the premises is off-license you can. If it is on-license only then you can’t take any alcohol of the premises and have to consume it there. Their license should be visible from the bar and tell you what kind of license it is 😉
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:41am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      This is a lounge and garage pissup – snooker table involved
      
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      July 21, 2018 4:38pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Snooker table – for bagging balls or bedding flesh?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cue_sports_terms
        
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        July 21, 2018 6:55pm
Mobile Michael

WTF?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/105613248/beers-no-more-wellington-police-cracking-down-on-drinking-in-bowling-clubs

Opposing small sports clubs licenses will just force them to close, and push drinking to residences. I grew up in Tawa which was a ‘Dry’ suburb until the 90s. With nowhere to drink socially a lot of houses in Tawa had (and still have) private bars in basements and garages. What would the Police prefer?
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July 21, 2018 8:07am
artemisia

Governments ignore business interests at their own risk. That risk is big.

“Business confidence among New Zealand’s small firms fell to a nine-year low in the June quarter, according to ANZ’s quarterly Business Micro Scope survey. A net 30 per cent of small businesses were pessimistic about general business conditions, the most since March 2009, ANZ said.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12092273

Fortune magazine just reported as follows –

“Together, the 500 companies accounted for $30 trillion in revenue in 2018 — an amount equal to 38% of global GDP. Don’t let anyone tell you big companies don’t matter.”
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July 21, 2018 8:09am
Monique Watson

This is cute:
https://www.facebook.com/simonjbridges/photos/a.211573378874839.59518.202557943109716/2014488261916666/?type=3&theater

The Bridges Wedding Anniversary. She’s a doll.
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July 21, 2018 8:17am
- Komata
  
  Cute perhaps, but being seemingly unwilling to ‘Take the anti-communist /globalist fight to the people of NZ and to repeatedly atack the CoL, Mr Bridges is, sadly, worse than useless.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:27am
  - Paulus
    
    My votes are for the National Party so 2 Blue ticks again as soon as possible.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:33am
    - waikatogirl
      
      2 ticks blue from me as well Paulus. Sadly there is no suitable alternative party to consider.
      I saw Mark Mitchell speak the other day and put James Shaw firmly in his place. Mark is worth keeping an eye on as future leader or deputy.
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:50am
      - KevOB
        
        ☑️☑️
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:04am
      - 4077th
        
        Mark has the right amount of likability and charisma. He is the natural choice. IMHO Simon was picked solely because he was young and featured regularly alongside Ardern on Tv1. Some sort of misplaced hope he could be a viable alternative to swing the left…like that will ever happen in today’s world. I don’t know Mark but what I’ve seen of hime he seems like a genuinely good bloke. He has the community based background that will resonate with middle NZ and NZ First voters. If National want’s to win the next election they need to acquire a large section of NZ First voters to get across the line. Greens will never go with National after all the concessions hey have gained in the current shambles.
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:49am
  - artemisia
    
    People say that Mr Bridges is useless but is it true? One thing we know is that many voters don’t like constant negativity, opposing all the time.
    
    Having a couple of attack dogs leaves a leader appealing to middle New Zealand and a party reeling in some of the rest.
    
    National have experience and intelligence. It is entirely possible they know exactly what they are doing.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:34am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘National have experience and intelligence. It is entirely possible they know exactly what they are doing’
      
      They have Chinese Intelligence and Peking will certainly know what they’re doing.
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:38am
    - realityczech
      
      “People say that Mr Bridges is useless but is it true?”
      
      I don’t know.
      
      Which is a problem in itself.
      
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      July 21, 2018 8:44am
      - Dave Mann
        
        @realityczech: that statement of yours is one of the most astute political comments about the Nats that I have read for ages. Thanks.
        
        I’ve just read a Newshub poll which gives Bridges just 9% as preferred PM against 40% for the toothy communist chick! Also, with absolutely no other party support, National doesn’t stand a chance of regaining government on the present figures.
        
        This country is in real trouble. Whatever damage the Chaos Coalition does to NZ, it seems that the voting public will just shift their allegiances between them – Greens up-NZF down and so on. Probably the Maoris will be back next time under some other guise while Bridges and Co will just smile vaguely on the sidelines like a pack of woofers.
        
        What’s the answer? Do we want our country to descend into a rainbow/green/red pool of chaos and mayhem? The very name and notion of ‘conservative’ gas been ruined by the idiots at the last election and ACT are absolutely useless. 🙁
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:48am
      - realityczech
        
        Dave Mann, I will vote for him anyway as it is about more than the front man to me. So there is one vote.
        
        The problem is marketing him to the sheeple. It is not looking flash and I am very worried. I suspect Bridges got to where he is by being skilled at internal party politics, but that skill is not transferable to appealing to public voters.
        
        John Key was a master at both. Slippery bugger but boy was he good.
        
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        July 21, 2018 10:06am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I think I’ve got the answer… well, part of the answer anyway.
        
        Some conservative with lots of energy needs to do some serious research to identify potential conservative triggers among NZF, Green and Labour voters and more importantly among the 20% of citizens who didn’t vote last time. Surely all these people can’t be Muslim-loving LBGT perverts who hate plastic and want to turn out morons from our schools? Surely?
        
        Once the main triggers have been identified, along comes Mr X with a new party to represent all those people who don’t like what the Chaos Coalition is doing but can’t see anything through National’s beige wafty smokescreen.
        
        What about it? Is there anybody out there who’s up for the challenge? Where are you Mr X? Your country needs you.
        
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        July 21, 2018 10:38am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thinking further about this… actually, the potential for a new party lies with those who ‘don’t know’ who they’ll vote for when surveyed. Unsurprisingly this figure doesn’t seem to be shown on the Newshub poll, but I’d love to know where it currently stands.
        
        I’ve got market research and polling experience, and also a killer party name here right now. Just waiting…
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:02am
      - realityczech
        
        Dave the first thing we need to do is stop letting the left define the language.
        
        I am a liberal. Yet I would be labeled by the left as “conservative”. Even that is not enough now days and so they invented “alt-right”.
        
        Self describing as “conservative” is going to put people off. In reality National voters are way more liberal than Labour/Green voters who seek govt control over every aspect of our lives.
        
        We need to make that clear.
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:12am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Good points, realityczech. Food for thought. I’ve now got two names for a new party. Maybe we should hijack the old National Party’s guiding principles and merge them with the best of NZF and see if it flies? 😀
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:25am
    - GazzaW
      
      “People say that Mr Bridges is useless but is it true?”
      
      Some people including a few KBers are saying that it’s true and the left along with their media mates are more than happy to play on their negative comments. Bridges is doing just fine currently but the most important factor is that he has a united and highly competent team behind him. That’s something that the disparate COL has no chance of emulating.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:19am
      - realityczech
        
        Gazza, it is not about what we say. Look at the polls. Idiot tribal fanboys won’t change the polls.
        
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        July 21, 2018 2:27pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yes, nothing the other team can post because they are represented by a single middle aged unwed solo parent on the ultimate state benefit
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:29am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  She’s a doll.
  
  From what I’ve seen of Bridges, I wouldn’t be at all surprised.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:34am
  - realityczech
    
    “She’s a doll.
    From what I’ve seen of Bridges, I wouldn’t be at all surprised.”
    
    Milt, I am pretty sure Mrs Bridges does not play with dolls, unlike the kiddies sexually attacked at your Labour Party Rally.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:49am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Feeling triggered, snowflake? Perhaps DPF will provide a safe space if you demand one assertively enough.
      
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      July 21, 2018 10:26am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Nice Milt. How is Peter Davis these days?
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:03am
    - Inandout
      
      Peter makes cups of tea for his sewing circle, which I think Dazza Hughes belongs to.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:14am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      You tell me – all you guys paranoid about who might be a bum bandit strike me as trying to persuade yourselves of something. Have you been keeping an eye out for him when you go out at night?
      
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      July 21, 2018 10:29am
      - GazzaW
        
        A weak response PM – you can do better than that.
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:22am
  - softail 1450
    
    Psycho mutt , back to your trailer park and your fat ugly bloated partner.
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:44pm
- realityczech
  
  “This is cute:”
  
  This is very triggering to the left. She looks way too attractive blonde and Christian. Even worse she is married to a different gender who identifies as a man.
  
  You should see the vile stuff said by the left when Ivanka Trump posted a photo of her hugging her son. Though Ivanka is actually Jewish. Best you look it up yourselves as you won’t believe me if I posted it.
  
  [Edit: I see Milt is triggered already]
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:34am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Yep. Milt got his hammer and sickle back from the collective.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:05am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    The number one emotion for a snivelling leftie is jealousy and this photo will drive them batty for sure 🙂
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  Happy Anniversary Simon and Natalie. Congrats on 13 years.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:54am
  - Inandout
    
    ’13th Wedding Anniversary. Lace is the traditional AND modern material so definitely a gift with lace in it, or with a lace them, is right on target. … For jewellery, either go with a lace design in any material or choose a piece with the alternate 13th anniversary modern materials of citrine, moonstone, or hawk’s eye’.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:16am
    - starboard
      
      Err..that all sounds so gay.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:10am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Simon Bridges doesn’t give me the impression he’s a big fan of lace.
      
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      July 21, 2018 12:32pm
Paulus

Is it only two weeks before our Alt Left Mother of the nation returns to try and lie her way out of leading the biggest group of political stuff failures ups so far in living memory.
Hope the Parliamentary carpet has been cleaned as she would not wish to be associated with the smells of her Ministers.
Her bumboy Peters has done well and kept stum over everything so he cannot be blamed – he has done sweet FA in her absence but that is what her conversations wanted.
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July 21, 2018 8:32am
- RF
  
  I hope her dozens of PR clowns brings her up to date concerning the intense distrust citizens have for her
  
  It’s quite imazing that she has only been PM for about 9 months and is already rubbished by many. Must be a record for a first term PM.
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:21am
- realityczech
  
  Can’t be easy being a solo mum with no dad around and only a gender-fluid baby sitter who describes himself as a “ladyman” and dresses up in women’s clothes.
  
  https://i2.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Clarke-Gayford4.png?ssl=1
  
  https://i1.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Clarke-Gayford.png?ssl=1
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:25am
  - RF
    
    The commie chicks cross dressing hand maiden looks a real sleeze.
    
    It beggars belief how she was dumb enough to be hooked by him. He must be laughing all the way to the bank.
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:10am
    - realityczech
      
      Decent of him/her to step up and help out with the baby since the father was not around. Credit where it is due 🙂
      
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      July 21, 2018 10:20am
    - artemisia
      
      Relationship Property Act. Max child support.
      
      Might as well get the mortgage principal paid well down first.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:38am
- Morrissey
  
  …the biggest group of political stuff failures ups so far in living memory.
  
  That statement is true if one’s living memory goes back no more than nine months. Those who are honest, on the other hand, will acknowledge that for all the present government’s faults—and there are many—they are a dramatic improvement on Key, the Double Dipper, Bunter Brownlee and all the rest of their cronies.
  
  The public aren’t stupid—all the abuse and falsehoods by the National Party and its media stooges (intellectual heavyweights like Barely Sober, Mike Hoaxing, Duncan Gurner, Mark Richardson, Hatin’ Smith) can’t hide the fact that this government is addressing nine years of neglect and incompetence, and that National has yet again chosen a leader who is not up to the job.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:33am
  - GazzaW
    
    “Nine years of neglect and incompetence.”
    
    I can’t help thinking that I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before. You forgot Larry Williams in your list of intellectual heavyweights. Couldn’t you think up a weak play on Mark Richardson’s name?
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Take my hat off to you for actually reading that shit.
      
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      July 21, 2018 12:13pm
  - softail 1450
    
    10.33am and moronissey is on the piss already FFS.
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:54pm
    - Morrissey
      
      If only, my friend. If only.
      
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      July 21, 2018 1:08pm
  - I Hate Wordpress
    
    “this government is addressing nine years of neglect and incompetence” – It is? Where?
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:23pm
- Piniwi
  
  @Paulus OQT starts again on 24th which provides another opportunity for the comedy act of the COL will give another display of making themselves look even more inadequate. While the blunders made during the recess will be more than enough material for pointed questions there are still so many earlier blunders to be addressed. It will be interesting to see how many seek refuge in the witless protection program already crowded by those who avoided questions that have already been held over. Might be worth seeing it on the bigger TV screen to be sure to catch those almost off camera prompts from nearby.
  
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  July 21, 2018 2:51pm
Lee C

And a well-kept secret it appears. Now let me think… if I were seeking to promote a PM in waiting, where would I start?…..
You have kick started a rant Monique.
WtF is wrong with this opposition!? They are handed prize gaffes daily by the Coalition and yet appear unable to make any impact or do anything to raise the profile of their chosen representative.
I know you never interrupt the others while they are making a mistake and all that, but this current lot are making corruption, ineptitude and incompetence appear to be par for the course.
Labour are already engaging image consultants.
What National doing with Bridges? This guy need to get to some communications classes, like yesterday.
He is going to end up like Hilary Clinton and lose his big chance because he was too self-absorbed to take the trouble to communicate effectively with his electorate.
I know he has made inroads, but he’s preaching to the converted. He needs to raise his game, and his profile and start to communicate in pithy sound-bytes, stop apologising for not being Jacinda and go for the jugular.
If he comes across as having no balls, he will leak votes to Winston Fist, and fail to convince wavering voters who will be swayed by a major ‘charm offensive’ from Ardern in the dying months of the next General Election.
Time to get real Simon.
Either shit or get off the pot.
In My Opinion.
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July 21, 2018 8:32am
- Paulus
  
  Timing in any decision is critical particularly in Politics and it is not yet close enough to the Election to do so.
  And the feminists and the so called media would not listen anyway.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Do you really think these people are as smart as anyone else.
    
    Cindy won the election by a fluke and the Nats lost cos they had no allies.
    
    We’re ruled by random chance and a cynical political elite.
    
    Red , blue , green or black ,it matters not. They know best , work and pay your taxes, they’ll all happily bum you , it’s just a matter of how hard and deep.
    
    eg who passed the alcohol law the posters above are whining about?
    
    Thanks for nothing Notional.
    
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    July 21, 2018 8:44am
    - stephieboy
      
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      kowtow, boo hoo, weep, weep. Just because the alt-right far right have no political voice and are irrelevant.
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:30am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Alt-right far right fap fap fap.
        Who were you saying is irrelevant?
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:59am
      - realityczech
        
        “alt-right far right have no political voice and are irrelevant.”
        
        Sorry can’t hear you over the hysterical shrieking from you lefties over a couple of Canadians speaking about “irrelevant” things.
        
        So much fail stuuuuupidboy.
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:25am
- VicParking
  
  Lee what a load of crap. He has been out and about getting his face known. You don’t fire off all your Amo before the battle has begun. Remember the election is not this year or next and voters have short attention spans and shorter memory’s.
  The talking points today will not be those in two years, why waste your breath the COL are fucking things up nicely without Nationals help.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Voc Parking, a bit of an uphill struggle for alright far-righters like you. Consider for example even ACTS marginal voting presence last September.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:33am
    - VicParking
      
      Morning Stephie, so I’m a “alright far-righter”.
      sounds like a complement to me.
      Consider labour’s position before Cindy took over.
      Once again you show your inability to think ahead.
      All I can say is don’t back yourself in a game of chess with your goat ??
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:59am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Sorry VP, but I with LeeC on this one.
    Bridges has bee out and about getting his face known where it is known already.
    The people who vote for the CoL are smart enough to recognise that the dude who turns up in a shiny car just before election time has no connect with them.
    They are who Bridges needs to get his face in front of time and again. Less Otumoetai and more Gate Pa – this weekend and every weekend for as long as it takes.
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:22am
  - Komata
    
    VP: How do you know? Insider info? It used to be the standard political response for a political party to act as if there was to be an election TOMORROW and to plan and act acordingly, with policies and plans perpetually in place and ready to go. Labour chose to forget this with the results we see now visited in this country as they make things up on the go. Sadly, the Nats seem to have also sucumbed to the same disease, and will find themselves doing a ‘labour’ as a result when (not if) an early election is called. And if the voters don’t know what the Nats represent (and they don’t – we’re not told) what are their choices? Seemingly more of what we have at the moment, since what else is available?
    
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    July 21, 2018 2:10pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right VP while we also not he is currently addressing meetings throughout the country where as commented here much of the time is given to question time. This indicates he is getting strong soundings from the voters on not just the issues that are important but what the majority standing is on those issues. This is an essential exercise for a new leader in what are very different times and he is wise to let the COL self destruct as they seem so intent on doing.
    Some may also be aware than in the meantime the National party members and executive are also reaching out for support on issues and funding. This is a twofold process as none are those pesky “no reply” begging letters with only designated amounts and methods of payment response buttons used by Labour. It opens up another direct line of communication where the cumulative messages received will be more significant than the individual response. It draws in any who can not get to a “live” venue but still have a chance to make their concerns aired.
    IMO this is the time for such gathering so far out from the next election much rather than going off half cocked over every blunder the COL are making. Especially in the absence of the Media party taking the COL to task but rather just puff pieces and preconditioning promotion of pending changes. Evidenced even today from NewShub promoting Shaw’s idiocy as he seems to relate the future from what seems to be his dream time.
    
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    July 21, 2018 3:31pm
- Komata
  
  LeeC: My point exactly. Sadly Mr Bridges comes across like Vince Martin in the old Beaurepairs adverts, except that Vince was at least memorable. Simon, sadly isn’t and instead of sticking it to the CoL from day one and tackling them at every turn to gain the Nats naximum advantage (despite the MSM), is wandering around the countryside on a perpetual Tiki Tour, presumably at our expense. And, as an aside from your comment, does anyone know exactly WHAT the Nats stand for anymore? Whatever it is, it definitely isn’t what was expressed in theur Founding Document!. It’s very frustrsting to see so much opportunity to retaliate and score points and to find so little being done!
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:57pm
Chris R

In the past decade or so I have become a genuine admirer of Germaine Greer. When I first encountered her thinking about 40 years ago I thought she was crazy and hated men. I now see her being scorned by the new age feminists who really only seem to have an agenda of man-hating and being Lefties. Germaine judges history acutely. I read her take on the advent of the contraceptive pill and how the only women it really freed were married ones who had three children and didn’t want any more. The single women who believed they could swamp themselves in casual sex (“free-love” as it was then known) were in her words “fools becoming victims.” Society wasn’t ready for causal sex through the 1970s but the pill allowed men to assume that any woman on it was available for sex at anytime. This was a resounding feminist issue at the time as women who did partake in casual sex often awoke with intense regret given that while the science had granted them birth control it hadn’t taught them to fly against their deepest desires and the needed comforts of a lasting relationship. There was no pride to be had from multiple lovers as “girls can get it anytime they like!” The point of all this: What do current feminists stand for and believe? Have they actually suffered at the hands of men? Where will their bleak thoughts lead them? I have no idea but to hear them slagging off a genuine feminist (icon?) is disturbing.
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July 21, 2018 8:41am
- realityczech
  
  Modern feminism is about:
  
  1. Destroying the traditional family.
  2. Destroying Western society.
  
  They see both as promoting the [imaginary ]patriarchy. You will note these are also largely the purposes of the Labour / Green parties.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:56am
  - wiseowl
    
    National as well.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:43am
  - Paulus
    
    And Working For Families is New Zealand’s biggest move towards absolute State control.
    This is the control of wages by welfare.
    Employers will and have factored WFF into wages since its introduction.
    It is part of a wage package controlled by Government keeping New Zealand as a low wage economy. Well done Clark and Cullen.
    It is designed that no Government can change it whatsoever.
    
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    July 21, 2018 1:47pm
- holysheet
  
  She wouldn’t be on Cindys phone list then. Imagine the conversation if they met.
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    It would be really interesting I think. Greer, like her or loathe her, can actually argue her corner with some logic, facts and skill. Our Jacinda on the other hand, not so much but is a dab hand at wrapping chips if the discussion ever reaches that point.
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:20pm
    - softail 1450
      
      P G, Greer might be able to argue her corner with logic, facts, and skill but her argument with gravity and father time has been seriously lost.
      
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      July 21, 2018 1:06pm
    - GoVege
      
      Then how come genius Greer only got 3 out of 10 on the Chase cash builder recently? 🙂
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:16pm
- holysheet
  
  The first ladies of UK, Russia and France were having a meeting with Cindy. The subject of discussion was the penis of their respective spouse. The first lady of UK says, “It is like a gentle man- it stands up, as soon as I enter the room” The lady from Russia says, “It is like an army officer- you do not know where he will attack from- front or back..” The French lady says, “It is like the screen in the auditorium- once the act is performed, it drops down…” Then Cindy says, “It’s like a rumour… it moves from one mouth to another…”
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:58am
  - Inandout
    
    Oh holy, you are so close to the truth on Cinders.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Inandout , otherwise known as learning how to watch the paint dry.
      
      Boring, boring, boring…
      
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      July 21, 2018 9:42am
- Fletch
  
  She has been in the bad books recently for saying that trans-women are not really women, and that rape is really just “bad sex”. I think she’s becoming senile?
  
  One thing she said I do agree with is that, although she is pro choice, she admits that abortion is murder.
  
  In her opening address at the literature event in Mumbai, Greer came dangerously close to sounding like a pro-lifer, someone who is against a woman’s right to abortion, when she called the fight for abortion rights “a historical accident” and suggested that in the end it has facilitated a kind of eugenics with surrogacy and made-to-order babies. “Feminists must realise some of their victories were pyrrhic,” she said, and that there was no getting away from the fact that “abortion is killing, don’t pretend it isn’t”.
  
  https://scroll.in/article/766570/germaine-greer-explains-why-some-feminist-victories-were-failures
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:47am
  - GoVege
    
    Greer’s a total idiot.
    A few years ago she was saying young girls having babies out of wedlock was a good thing, because those kids were going to “pay her pension”.
    As if.
    
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    July 21, 2018 3:14pm
    - GoVege
      
      When I read “the female eunuch ” as a teenager, I’m sure GG said every male needed a broken beer bottle up the ass to understand what rape is.
      What a turnaround.
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        “to understand what rape is”
        
        I think the popularity of 50 Shades of Grey is the best indicator of what makes women tick. Of course the guys getting all the pussy knew that anyway.
        
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        July 21, 2018 3:21pm
      - Morrissey
        
        I think the popularity of 50 Shades of Grey is the best indicator of what makes women tick. Of course the guys getting all the pussy knew that anyway.
        
        I’m one of those guys, but I don’t agree with anything in that dreary piece of sub-sophomoric crap.
        
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        July 21, 2018 5:05pm
    - realityczech
      
      Vege, She was sane and rootable too. Unlike Andrea Dworkin, a truly hideous creature that made even you look like a men’s rights activist.
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:19pm
- DJ Ward
  
  What do current feminists stand for and believe?
  
  Well your points about the pill and sexual freedom is relevant.
  The male pill terrifies them. They will lose the power and control over men that it gives them.
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:00pm
Lee C

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July 21, 2018 8:42am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  TLDR
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:23am
Manolo

No, he is not stopping…
http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/20/manhattan-madam-kristin-davis-subpoenaed-robert-mueller-trump/
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July 21, 2018 8:44am
holysheet

It was a very frosty morning. Three mechanics were shivering in the freezing garage. Suddenly there is a timid knock on the door. They opened it to find a weather battered brass monkey crouched on the step.
“Excuse me” he said, “do you do welding?”
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July 21, 2018 8:53am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  holycrap, trust you nuts weren’t frozen this winters’ morn?
  
  LOL
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:26am
  - softail 1450
    
    Septicboy, I’m guessing your nuts were snuggled away somewhere nice and warm ,hairy but very warm.
    
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    July 21, 2018 1:09pm
kowtow

The ruling political elites in Europe are disgusting. Comparing patriotic nationalists who simply don’t want their countries over run by hordes from the third world to Nazis is going too far.

One has to wonder how far these “moderates” would go to impose their views on the electorate. Attacking free speech (hate speech laws) is one tactic and telling lies about your opponents is another. So now if you believe your national parliament should be sovereign you are a member of the so called “far right” ?

Dangerous times.

‘German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas condemned right-wing populism in Europe as he commemorated the 1944 plot to kill Hitler. The minister noted that some in the anti-Nazi resistance dreamt of a “European federation.”‘

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-remembers-failed-hitler-assassination-with-attack-on-populism/a-44766166
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July 21, 2018 9:02am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Er, the fascists were “patriotic nationalists who simply [didn’t] want their countries over run by hordes from the third world.” That’s why people are comparing them to the Nazis. They’re over-reaching with it and disrespecting the victims of the actual Nazis, but I can see why they’d make the comparison.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:33am
  - realityczech
    
    Milt, wrong again. The Nazi were socialists in both name and policy. You support most of their ideas.
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:36am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      That’s funny – only last week you were an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis. I guess a troll takes whatever position suits his current purpose.
      
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      July 21, 2018 12:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        No dimwit. I simply acknowledge some of their accomplishments.
        
        You are mentally ill and see things as black or white. Psychobiologists call this manifestation of your deeper illness splitting.
        
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        July 21, 2018 12:50pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Comparing patriotic nationalists who simply don’t want their countries over run by hordes from the first world to Nazis is going too far.
  
  Yup. Ghandi was a patriotic nationalist who wanted India for the Indians.
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:37pm
Inandout

Trump Russian collusion: Dead in the water.
Desperation next: Did Trump pay hush money for hetrosexual activities?
Wonders: If the sex was gay would CNN have buried the story?
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July 21, 2018 9:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout, it is becoming increasingly evident that the President did,
  
  Avenatti says Cohen’s Trump recording ‘is not the only tape’
  
  Stormy Daniels’s attorney Michael Avenatti said Michael Cohen has several audio recordings of President Trump discussing women who have come forward after allegedly having affairs with Trump.
  
  The New York Times reported Friday that Cohen, a longtime lawyer and fixer for Trump, secretly recorded Trump discussing paying Playboy model Karen McDougal ahead of the 2016 election to keep her from talking about their alleged relationship more than a decade earlier.
  
  Avenatti told MSNBC on Friday that there are more tapes.
  
  “I know for a fact that this is not the only tape,” Avenatti said. “I think this is a very serious matter and I think that any or all audio tapes that Michael Cohen has in his possession relating to this president should be released for the public.”
  
  http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398074-avenatti-on-cohens-trump-recording-this-is-not-the-only-tape
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:24am
  - Inandout
    
    Trump roots women, you root camels.
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:12am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Ha! Ha!
      I didn’t read this sentence properly and thought it said “you root canals.” (Ouch!)
      
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      July 21, 2018 4:44pm
  - Fletch
    
    I don’t think it is going to make a difference to people’s voting. We all know Trump is imperfect and has his peccadilloes but he is by far the best thing going. America is looking better than it has in decades as far as jobs, prosperity, etc.
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:51am
  - Paulus
    
    And Working For Families is New Zealand’s biggest move towards absolute State control.
    This is the control of wages by welfare.
    Employers will and have factored WFF into wages since its introduction.
    It is part of a wage package controlled by Government keeping New Zealand as a low wage economy. Well done Clark and Cullen.
    
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    July 21, 2018 1:50pm
    - GoVege
      
      NZ was always a low wage economy.
      The stupid Nats made it worse with the ECA.
      Labour brought in the WFF to save families from poverty.
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        WFF was an unaffordable election bribe to pay women to have brats they could not afford. It is one of the worst policies in history. Oh and it keeps wages down and increased inflation.
        
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        July 21, 2018 3:31pm
Chuck Bird

While I can see why Bridges was chosen as Leader I am a little unhappy that he while he backs Peter Ellis over wrongful conviction claim he basically is saying it is time to move on.

The NZ government has paid millions in claims for events that happened over 150 years ago where the evidence is a lost shaker than in the case of Ellis and those who may have been wronged are long dead.

If the government of the day has wronged someone and they or their children are still alive they deserve justice. Labour is right in their enquiry into wrongful convictions.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/20/160469/bridges-backs-peter-ellis-over-wrongful-conviction-claim
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July 21, 2018 9:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And for those who forget inconvenient facts…
  
  Remember it was Phil Goff, then Min of Justice, who closed down any attempt to have a Commission of Inquiry on the Peter Ellis case.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3509780
  
  There really is no need for NZers to think for themselves when Phil is around. He seems to know exactly what is good for us all to know.
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, and what have subsequent Ministers of Justice under successive governments done to advance Peter Elli’s cause?
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:36am
    - starboard
      
      Have to agree with the fap fapper there, the whole Peter Ellis debacle is like a scabby wound, it aint going to go away unless its sorted.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It reflects badly on politicians of all persuasions.
        
        They have all found the Peter Ellis case too hot to handle.
        
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        July 21, 2018 2:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The police and judiciary are obviously incredibly embarrassed by their parts in the sorry Peter Ellis affair given succession of Ministers who have not sought to address this notorious injustice. There must still be a few senior people who were involved who’s reputations would be tarnished were their decisions to be bought to light again. He won’t get reparations until all those involved have retired or died.
    
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    July 21, 2018 5:14pm
Lee C

Vic
I disagree, In my view, it’s all about narrative, and Simon Bridges risks becoming dubbed ‘Mr Good Sport’ – nice, but essentially destined to lose.
Ardern has been practically beatified by the press, and she could fart in a crowded elevator and it would be reported as one woman’s brave statement against Global Warming.
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July 21, 2018 9:21am
Keeping Stock

Roll on 2pm on Tuesday, when Parliament resumes. There are so many issues which National can hold the government to account on that they’re going to be spoiled for choice.

So many targets, not enough time 😀
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July 21, 2018 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And when you’ve finished those lawns, could you be a dear and run a vacuum over the rooms.
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:33am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I would, but our Cleaning Fairy did that yesterday. I will change the sheets and the towels before SWMBO comes home late tomorrow though.
    
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    July 21, 2018 9:45am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Lawns done; off to the butcher now to buy a nice piece of pork belly to slowly roast this afternoon while I occupy the sofa 😀
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:14am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      KS, I’m interpreting this minute by minute ‘home alone reporting’ as:
      “I miss her. How long until she’s home?”
      
      But that’s OK because real men don’t say those sissy things!
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:29am
realityczech

➡ Is there any way to develop an app that will automatically down tick stupidboy and administer a painful electric shock to him of unknown intensity and duration?

There could be a fortune to be made here 🙂
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July 21, 2018 9:37am
- brett68
  
  I have an app that deletes his posts.
  
  Was going to release it but I get the feeling all you old fellas actually enjoy fighting and arguing with him so I didn’t bother.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:37am
  - realityczech
    
    We all know about that app kid. Now go finish your chores.
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:15am
  - Nermal
    
    He’s like that itchy scab you keep scratching unintentionally
    
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    July 21, 2018 2:29pm
Swifty

Hazim Arafeh makes a cock of himself yet again:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/362284/alt-right-speakers-stefan-molyneux-and-lauren-southern-anger-nz-muslims

The two Canadians are known for their Islamophobic views and the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand president, Hazim Arafeh, expressed his displeasure after the visa announcement.

“This type of speech makes all Muslims of the world very, very angry.

“There’s a lot of tension in the community – there’s a lot of profiling of Muslims and that’s not conducive to the public good.”

Very, very angry eh?

Well then Mr Arafeh I suggest you use your position to get ‘all the Muslims of the world’ un-angry pretty bloody quick.

As for you Mr Arafeh, if you’re angry at the notion of NZers exercising their right to hear from anyone they choose, well, the door is that way——–>
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July 21, 2018 9:58am
- realityczech
  
  “Islamophobic”
  
  Sorry but is that the correct word for respecting other cultures and speaking out about religious violence as they do?
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:11am
  - Swifty
    
    RNZ’s words not mine.
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:39am
    - realityczech
      
      They have a whole imaginary language of ism’s and phobias 🙂
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:16am
- simpleton1
  
  Just who is looking to angrily regulate “free speech”?
  
  “It is probably true that the value of some speech is less than the cost of the harm it imposes. But free speech advocates don’t defend the speech rights of Nazis because they believe that Nazis have anything valuable to contribute to a marketplace of ideas. They defend the rights of Nazis because Nazis with the freedom to speak can cause less harm than Nazis with the power to regulate speech.” https://quillette.com/2018/07/11/free-speech-doesnt-protect-nazis-it-protects-us-from-nazis/
  
  This is why islam must be fully discussed, openly debated.
  If islam is to gain any real respect, then it has to be earnt, otherwise it is a ‘bully’, as Mohammad in his sayings, deeds and actions practiced, and his followers want to emulate, the “perfect man”.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:12am
simpleton1

. error edit no cancel?
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July 21, 2018 10:11am
- waikatogirl
  
  Delete option has not worked for some weeks.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:45am
Anne Glen Eden

Terrific to see Natalie Richie presenting a view like my own – Jacinda and her ilk of women are not championing women being women. They’re ‘championing’ women being deficient and needing to be “pretend men”.

The women’s movement, to do any good at all, needed to focus on a more appropriate work/life balance and arrangement which allows for all human beings to be meaningful family members as well as workers. All it has currently tried to do is ‘fix’ supposedly deficient women so that they don’t have to be women and can be and behave just like their view of ‘traditional’ men – who are the ultimate model of ‘rightness’ and ‘success’.

This is the scenario promulgated on TV that women with periods can and want happily and ably to do gymnastics down the street and across rooftops, that they can have all the children they like and abandon them to the care of someone else, or just kill them in the womb so they’re not an impediment to their ‘lifestyle’ and/or success. It might do something for those who don’t experience or value being a ‘woman’ but it is damaging for those who do.

It’s appalling modelling for parenthood as well. People wonder why we have the worst record on child abuse in the developed world – because children are a disposable and dispensable appendage to whimsical ‘parents’. There’s been a huge outcry over David Clark going to Australia during the nurses’ strike – his ‘job’ was to be present to live up to his chosen responsibilities.

However, creating a child and forming their entire life is the most significant task that anyone can engage in, but any parent is told that they can and should drag their children around to suit themselves and abandon them and their interests at will, despite being the most, if not only, defining influence in the life of that child. The inherent responsibility is simply shed with a shrug of the shoulders, if they even get that much thought. It’s part of the well proven false premise that parents can be easily replaced in the life of a child at any time and/or that children will thrive with no parental attention – that the parent will thrive without the child as well – mothers in particular.

“What if she led like a woman by forging the first nation to boast a truly female Prime Ministership that accommodated motherhood’s sleeplessness and physical debilitation, the time-consuming and unpredictable daily childcare routine, and a child’s need for a mother’s presence?”

I so agree.
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July 21, 2018 10:17am
- realityczech
  
  Lefties demand the State take on the role of the male protector and provider. The idea being women can then do what they want. In reality they spiral into depression and dysfunction.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:59am
- DJ Ward
  
  Statisticaly one can show that both parents are important.
  A fartherless child has the worst outcomes.
  A motherless child has outcomes much better than the fatherless ones.
  The best outcomes are from 2 parent families.
  The best outcomes from split families happens with 50:50 care.
  
  The issue with fartherless children is (generally) mothers develope emotions while the fathers teach the child to overcome them. A more balanced individual able to cope with the world.
  
  Mothers are very important, hence the first topics with a mental health professional will be “what was your relationship with your mother like”
  Fathers are equally important to the success of a child. Not having one is however more damaging than not having a mother.
  
  I look forward to the COL making significant steps in making fatherhood just as important as motherhood. It’s hatred of fatherhood by the police, CYPS, social services, courts is deplorable. Anything would be an improvement.
  
  Feminism? Very one eyed version.
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:37am
  - GoVege
    
    Unfortunately a lot of good fathers get too heavy handed with their kids and wives and play into the hands of these anti-male “feminists”.
    They need to learn how to go for a nice long walk to cool down rather than lay into their loved ones.
    Maybe we should set up drop in centres for men going on their nightly walk around the block to save their families. 🙂 🙂
    
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    July 21, 2018 1:11pm
- GoVege
  
  “They can have all the children they want and abandon them to the “CARE” of someone else”….
  If only!
  If you regard the local gang boss/pad “care”.
  That’s where thousands of the nation’s kids are going.
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    Vege, Women have no real understanding of right or wrong in a deeper sense. They simply act in their best interests and tend towards group think. That is why there are so few woman philosophers.
    
    For this reason women require fear in order to feel centered and behave properly. Reason is pointless, a good clip around the ear gets the point across and order is restored.
    
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    July 21, 2018 1:32pm
    - GoVege
      
      You’re hilarious RC. 🙂
      But the real reason there are few women philosophers etc is because
      1) most women have been too busy raising kids
      2) women tend to lack the massive male-type ego (except for obnoxious types like that Rand woman)
      3) the male brain tends to autistic-type concentration.
      (Which is why autism is so much more common in males)
      
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      July 21, 2018 3:34pm
      - realityczech
        
        Exhibit [A] ☝
        
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        July 21, 2018 3:41pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Govege, maybe the females are to stupid to realize they have autism ….
        
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        July 21, 2018 4:31pm
      - GoVege
        
        There’s nothing wrong with having autism softy.
        Many of the world’s greatest geniuses have been on the autistic spectrum.
        Probably most in fact.
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:44pm
- itstricky
  
  I have no idea what a ‘majority of NZers’ would believe or say (and those are two entirely different things) and wouldn’t dare claim to know.
  
  In the absence of evidence, your assertion against the suppoesed beliefs of the majority of the population has no more relevance, or certainty, than that of RNZ. You’re doing exactly what you’re accussing them of.
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:38pm
Morrissey

Apartheid? You decide.

I think that to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa is unfair to apartheid South Africa.

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/20/apartheid-you-decide/

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/20/apartheid-you-decide-ii/
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July 21, 2018 10:18am
- realityczech
  
  Huge rallies protesting against the Jews. Rounding up Jews and putting them in camps. All happening in Israel today.
  
  The non-Jewish blacks get it even worse!
  
  Israeli racism & African refugees
  
  Below are links to my UN report, published articles about the persecution of Africans in Israel, footage from 8 years of anti-African rallies
  
  http://www.davidsheen.com/racism/
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Morrissey such as separate public toilets, swimming pools, housing and beaches as well as intermarriage was forbidden?
  
  http://historycooperative.org/systemic-story-apartheid/
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:31am
  - realityczech
    
    “intermarriage was forbidden”
    
    Pretty sure all religions forbid marriage to goats stupidboy so don’t get excited.
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:25pm
DigNap15

I’ve met Simon and his wife, and they seem very nice.
I hope Simon and Nationals current strategy is for the COL to really piss Kiwis off so much that they go down in the polls so far its not funny and will just get elected out in 2020.
Because National are certainly not really hitting hard, or suggesting any hard right policies yet.
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July 21, 2018 10:22am
- stephieboy
  
  DiogNap15 ,
  
  Did you give Simon a sampling of your hard right posts on KB for him to gasp over?
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:36am
DigNap15

How can we get in touch with that Arafeh guy.
We need to tell him that this is a free Christian values country.
If we let them keep on about this, the next thing they will be asking for a Sharia law for themselves, and then the rest of us.
They start off small and their demands get bigger.
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July 21, 2018 10:31am
- Swifty
  
  https://fianz.com/fianz-executives-2/
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:43am
MCos

An interesting tweet from Donald Trump

‘The NFL National Anthem Debate is alive and well again – can’t believe it! Isn’t it in contract that players must stand at attention, hand on heart? The $40,000,000 Commissioner must now make a stand. First time kneeling, out for game. Second time kneeling, out for season/no pay!’

Wouldn’t kneeling during their Anthem be a freedom of speech issue?
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July 21, 2018 10:36am
- Morrissey
  
  Stop the anthem before the games altogether. It’s a bore, as well as a provocation.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:52am
  - realityczech
    
    “as well as a provocation”
    
    1. Provocation to whom?
    2. Provocation to what?
    
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    July 21, 2018 10:57am
    - Morrissey
      
      Saluting the flag is to honor a rogue regime, one which is busy crushing democracy from Central America to the Middle East, and indeed in the United States. The more thoughtful players in the NFL are also protesting at the routine abuse and murder carried out, with almost complete immunity, by the Gestapo-like police forces all across the country.
      
      Mindless saluting of a flag might be acceptable to the mindless; to anyone who has a conscience it’s a provocation. Hence the protests by the more thoughtful players.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:07am
      - realityczech
        
        “Saluting the flag is to honor a rogue regime, one which is busy crushing democracy from Central America to the Middle East, and indeed in the United States.”
        
        Oh don’t get me started ❗
        
        The thing is that happened under the filthy black warlord Obama and YOU and your ilk said nothing.
        
        Nothing while he rained nearly 3 bombs an hour for 8 fucking years on people who posed no threat to the USA and were largely civilians.
        
        Even that hard left rag the Guardian agrees:
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:20am
      - Morrissey
        
        My friend, nobody but NOBODY despised Obama more than this writer, i.e. moi, despised (and still despises) him. I also despised, and still despise, his wife.
        
        See for yourself:
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/obamas-last-speech/#comment-1286031
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-23012014/#comment-761926
        
        Note that in the following item, in 2013, I predicted that Trump would be President…..
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/who-will-be-lead-mourner-at-obamas.html
        
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        July 21, 2018 1:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        Morris Dancer – well fuck me. Good on ya 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 2:34pm
- itstricky
  
  Wouldn’t kneeling during their Anthem be a freedom of speech issue?
  
  I would think so. If the NFL decided it was against the rules, oh well. But The Government telling the NFL what to do – that’s a different story.
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:47pm
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    A tweet like that from Ardern would go down really well on this forum.
    
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    July 21, 2018 2:42pm
Anne Glen Eden

What I wrote yesterday about the difference between TVNZ and TV3 news was never more apparent than last night.

TVNZ (and I only heard the entry because I tend to watch The Chase while in and out of the kitchen) led with the pathetic ‘thought-control’ issue of Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern. It’s an item which should consist of, in a country with supposedly free speech, ‘they came, they spoke, they left’ – if reported at all. But TVNZ were just full steam ahead into the ’emotional orgy’ of inspiring and maintaining ‘offense’, totalitarian control by the Left, polarisation of the community, undoubtedly hoping for some extreme public response.

TV3, on the other hand, led with the Bay of Plenty DHB being subjected to an effort consisting of thousands/millions of attempts to hack into their IT system – and through it to that of every other DHB at best, further into NZ as a whole at worst.

More to the point, IT testing of hundreds of staff show they continue to be sucked into opening and entering their details into dangerous scam emails allowing the hackers to succeed.

Which one should be of genuine significance in NZ and on the news? There’s no doubt in my mind – and it’s the IT hackers and the dangerous and imbecilic staff.
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July 21, 2018 10:36am
- Fletch
  
  Yes, 1 News Facebook feed posts about the upcoming visit of Southern and Molyneux and how bad they are at least 3 times a day. Last night it was about Valerie Morse from ‘Auckland Peace Action’ getting threats by far-righters in relation to the visit. And then you had Iain Lees-Galloway calling them “repugnant” and saying that most New Zealanders would agree.
  
  I think that liberals are genuinely afraid of these speakers because they speak the commonsense truth that liberals cannot counter in debate so they turn to smearing instead; the old homophobic, bigoted, xenophobic, racist, sexist, smears.
  
  I’d love to see Goff, Iain Lees-Galloway, or this Valarie Morse debate Molyneux. They would lose to Molyneux, and lose badly.
  
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  July 21, 2018 10:59am
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    The ‘most NZers would agree’ is simply deceitful manipulation.
    
    I’m sure there’s a group of the elite minority coterie who believe their own press and are deluded enough to believe that they’re in the majority.
    
    But, generally, it’s simply treating NZers like sheep who, if they can be made to believe the coterie are in the majority, will want to ‘join’ it.
    
    I could probably fairly easily predict at most times what the elite minority coterie would say about anything. I have no idea what a ‘majority of NZers’ would believe or say (and those are two entirely different things) and wouldn’t dare claim to know. I do know there are no ‘shared values’ anymore.
    
    I know very few individuals, in fact none, who would dare say openly what they really thought about anything in our current society. And who can blame them? Items like that on TVNZ serve to impress what the punishment would be like if they dared to diverge from the authoritarian view.
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:17am
    - realityczech
      
      “The ‘most NZers would agree’ is simply deceitful manipulation.”
      
      No it is simply a lie.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:22am
    - itstricky
      
      I have no idea what a ‘majority of NZers’ would believe or say (and those are two entirely different things) and wouldn’t dare claim to know.
      
      In the absence of evidence, your assertion against the suppoesed beliefs of the majority of the population has no more relevance, or certainty, than that of RNZ. You’re doing exactly what you’re accussing them of.
      
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      July 21, 2018 1:40pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        What a desperate ‘defense’….
        
        In fact, I do have ‘evidence’ of a kind.
        
        I could say that a lot of life experience has taught me that while I’m inclined to say things out loud that few others want to be associated with in a public setting, my views have been always about ‘average’ if and when any final ‘evidence’ is produced.
        
        I could also say that the enforced doctrines of the elite minority coterie are fairly universal. And universally, the ‘majority’ of populations are increasingly dissenting, not just with their doctrine but with their principle of ‘enforced’ doctrine – from the Arab Spring to Turkey to Brexit to Trump’s election and the spiralling social disorder and/or unpredictable (to the MSM anyway) electoral outcomes in most First World societies – especially the rise of the elite’s detested ‘populism’, which is in fact just a majority wanting to restore their democracies.
        
        Given that human beings are more alike than different, and that NZers tend to be more apathetic than the rest of the world from living without serious threats and from a neurotic desire for self-importance and significance in the world they perceive to ‘be’, I would be certain that a lot of the population are divergent from the ‘approved doctrine’.
        
        But in such a small society, it is very difficult to get away with voicing it out loud with impunity when most ‘authority’ and the MSM are the active enforcers, not only publicly putting people ‘in the stocks’, but wrecking their careers and lives.
        
        Still, the cycle always turns eventually.
        
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        July 21, 2018 2:09pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Not so sure about that Fletch.
    Hard to have a rational conversation with people who shout through megaphones like Goff, Morse and co. All mouth, no ears and nothing in between either.
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:35am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes and they always introduce any new item about Trump as if he is bad and everyone dislikes him.
    That is nor the case.
    They should report the news not try to make it!
    
    Does anyone have an email address for TV?
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      DJ, yes they tell you what to think and indicate you will be socially shamed if you don’t think it.
      
      ❈ Real news does not think for you.
      
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      July 21, 2018 12:56pm
wiseowl

Anyone subscribe to ‘The Australian “.?
There is a story about protesters at a meeting last night in Aus.
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July 21, 2018 11:09am
- Fletch
  
  I think I heard on the radio there were about 100 people protesting and the Police had to use pepper spray.
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:21am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes the left are always a rabid lot
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:54pm
Fletch

American Jobless Claims Drop to Lowest Level Since 1969.

American jobless claims have dropped to a historic low thanks to President Trump’s booming “America First” economy.
The number of Americans claiming unemployment has now dropped to the lowest level as of last week since December 1969, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports. Jobless claims decreased by 8,000 to 207,000 as of July 14.

This translates to the shortest unemployment lines in the United States since 1969. Trump’s tight labor market economy has secured higher wages for a number of blue collar sectors for American workers as employers and businesses compete for employees.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/19/more-winning-american-jobless-claims-drop-to-lowest-level-since-1969/
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July 21, 2018 11:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, I suggest Breitbart and yourself stop believing in magic wands and fairy dust. That result goes back to long years of responsible and stable economic stewardship under Trump’s predecessor.,
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate
  
  Japan and Korea for example have even lower rates and the UK about the same as the US
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:17am
  - Fletch
    
    Obama?! LOL 😆
    You must be joking. “Stable economic stewardship” my curvy butt. And it just took long enough to kick in after he left, right?
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:22am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , the proof in the pudding is here,
      
      https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/
      
      Cf,
      
      https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/trumps-numbers/
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:23am
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy, you linked to a discredited far left source that has been exposed numerous times and is not taken seriously by anyone.
        
        Oh and don’t bother with Snopes either. The fact Google puts it on top is due to them editing search results. When ever you look up dirt on Trumps critics the first result is a alt-left “debunking” site.
        
        Retard.
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:30am
      - Fletch
        
        When most metrics are taken into account, the country is not better off.
        
        https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/29/americas-economy-before-obama-versus-after-obama/
        
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        July 21, 2018 11:34am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch, the Breitbart that launched the stellar Pizzagate and Dortmund, idiocy!?
      
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      July 21, 2018 12:18pm
Harkman

My gosh the NFL just gave Trump a massive free pass come election time. Allowing the players to keep kneeling for the anthem.
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July 21, 2018 11:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You don’t think most Americans would support freedom of expression?
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:48pm
  - Harkman
    
    No they are employees of a corporation with rules for work place behaviour. Players would lose in the Supreme Court but the NFL is weak.
    
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    July 21, 2018 2:32pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Rubbish. The players never even used to come out of the changing rooms for that dreary ceremony until a few years ago.
      
      Get rid of enforced and insincere patriotism. And get rid of bad cops. And yes, that means thousands of them have to be fired on top of the ones who get prosecuted for murder. It will happen eventually, when this imbecile is gone from the White House, and when there is a real opposition in Washington instead of the Pelosi/Schumer “Democrats”.
      
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      July 21, 2018 5:12pm
Hugh Pavletich

… Former Christchurch Central (The Bureaucrats Bog) … Residential Development Difficulties … Continued …

Ōtākaro calls for developers for planned Christchurch housing project Michael Hayward… The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105624616/tkaro-calls-for-developers-for-plan

Developers will get a go at the prime site which was previously planned for a failed high-profile Christchurch housing development.

Crown rebuild company Ōtākaro is calling for developers to come forward with housing proposals for a 8149 square metre site bounded by Madras, Gloucester and Armagh streets.

It was previously earmarked for the failed Breathe Urban Village, a flagship project which found developers through a Government-run international competition. It was abandoned in 2015 after months of delays. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… EARLIER REPORTS …

Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town

It was supposed to be a post-quake phenomenon, yet there is little sign of it slowing. Why are rural fringe towns like Lincoln still growing so fast? JOHN McCRONE reports.

The contrast is striking. In central Christchurch, Fletcher Living is taking forever to get going on its East Frame townhouse and apartment block development.

Government and council have agreed that denser inner city housing is vital to making a success of the earthquake rebuild. Yet despite inking a deal with Fletcher to build nearly 1000 homes back in 2015, the first 20 properties won’t be finished until late this year.

The buyers just don’t seem to be there for them. And so the East Frame development has been uphill all the way.

However, take the road half an hour out of town to Lincoln and the story is the opposite. This once sleepy village has exploded with subdivisions. Its residential footprint is now 10 times what it was 20 years ago.

READ MORE:
* Rolleston: Time to take it seriously
* Christchurch’s $600 million motorways
* Christchurch’s next problem: bringing residents back into the CBD
* Government ‘locked in’ to contract for delay-riddled east frame
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July 21, 2018 11:34am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Isn’t that the same as what you posted the other day Hugh? Just remember; less is more 😀
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:06pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Using Christchurch’s ‘The Bureaucrats Bog’ as a lesson … consider what a complete costly shambles the lunatic Kiwibuild is going to be.
    
    I’m picking it will be run much like EQC.
    
    Indeed many former EQC employees will gravitate to Kiwibuild.
    
    It wont take them too long to waste away $2 billion.
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:26pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Auckland and Christchurch fringes development … and latest building consents figures …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/anz-high-house-prices-immigration-productivity-killer/
      
      Janet comments …
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/anz-high-house-prices-immigration-productivity-killer/#comment-3148576
      
      Drove the 2 hours to Auckland on Tuesday for the first time in a while, and the last half hour? Good Lord! The amount of building; subdivisions going on! No wonder the Southern Motorway was chockers, as the mass of people in those dormitory suburbs spews the ‘workers’ onto it to head into/out of town each day.
      What an absolute mess we’ve made of ‘our’ country….
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      … and Christchurch …
      
      QV’s average property values have fallen in Auckland, Tauranga and Wellington over the last three months – vendors warned against unrealistic price expectations … Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94608/qvs-average-property-values-have-fallen-auckland-tauranga-and-wellington-over-last
      
      Quotable Value is warning flattening or falling house prices mean we are now in a buyer’s market and some vendors may have unrealistic expectations about what their property is worth …
      
      … In Christchurch sales activity was slowing while property values were flat overall, according to QV Christchurch property consultant Hamish Collins.
      
      There was growing interest for new builds in and around the city centre, but an oversupply of land and developments in fringe districts and on the outskirts of the city, he said.
      
      These included areas such as Halswell, Wigram, Preston and the Selwyn and Waimakariri districts.
      
      “We are seeing some developers offering new builds or recently constructed properties at discounts as a way to free up cash for their next project,” Collins said.
      
      “This is having a flow on effect on the overall value of new builds or existing properties in these areas,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      LATEST BUILDING CONSENTS RESULTS (MAY) …
      
      Surge in new dwelling consents in Auckland could be the beginning of the end for the region’s housing shortage … Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94554/surge-new-dwelling-consents-auckland-could-be-beginning-end-regions-housing-shortage
      
      There was a surge in the number of new dwelling consents issued in May, particularly in Auckland where they hit a 15 year high, Statistics NZ says.
      
      Around the country 3407 new dwelling consents were issued in May, up 25% compared to April and up 22% compared to May last year.
      
      It was the highest number of homes consented in any month since June 2004. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/building-consents-issued-may-2018
      
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      July 21, 2018 6:43pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Prefab company Matrix Homes in receivership … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105580647/prefab-company-matrix-homes-in-receivership
        
        Prefabricated housing company Matrix Homes has been put in receivership potentially putting at least 25 Upper Hutt jobs at risk.
        
        BDO Wellington partners Iain Shephard and Jessica Kellow were appointed as receivers on Wednesday by Matrix Homes’ managing director Sean Murrie.
        
        The company built transportable houses for $139,000 in its Trentham warehouse.
        
        Kellow said the receivers would try to sell the business as a going-concern. However, Camperdown Studios applied to liquidate the company earlier this month. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        WHY HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS A NONSENSE ISSUE …
        
        It is now CRITICALLY IMPORTANT to move away from the grossly inefficient and costly cottage style construction industry, so that a normal production type industry is restores in New Zealand (like Australia and North America) … so that international standard productivity and pricing levels emerge …
        
        Opinion: Let the builders build – Kevin Atkinson of Generation Homes | Fairfax – Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/104213530/opinion-let-the-builders-build
        
        … extract …
        
        … We need to let builders get on and do their job and not be underwriters of land development.
        
        Generation Homes is building 300 to 400 houses a year. We could easily double that within our existing resources if there were infrastructure funding assistance from councils for new affordable housing developments. … read more via hyperlink above
        
        Watch what Bill and Alfred Levitt created following World War 11 …
        
        The rise of suburban areas during the 1950’s … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTI0wR-a7Q
        
        Creators of communities … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OApZePeJSdU&feature=youtu.be
        
        This Man Is the Father of Modern American Suburbia … Smithsonian … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmH5OcLQFw
        
        … then … soon after … Malcom McLean created the modern container industry … dropping shipping costs dramatically … for example with what cost $6 with break – bulk cargo handling to just 16 cents with containerization ! …
        
        The Power of Outsiders – Video – NYTimes.com
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/video/business/100000004807604/the-power-of-outsiders.html
        
        … note here the extremely small costs of shipping selected items around the planet … so that transportation costs are pretty much irrelevant today in the whole scheme of things (thank you Malcom McLean ! ) …
        
        Malcom McLean and Containerisation | Maersk Line – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq8UU9kafJ0
        
        … so that today …
        
        1. Standard detached housing should not cost any more than 3.0 times annual household incomes of specific metros ( refer Annual Demographia Surveys ; recent Glaeser & Gyourko paper ; Recent Reserve Bank of Australia paper ).
        
        2. New fringe starter house and land packages should cost around 2.5 times … at development ratios of 20% serviced lot and the balance construction ( Definition of an affordable housing market http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning ).
        
        3. Apartment / townhouses should be around 2.0 times ( to illustrate refer Houston Association of Realtors Monthly Report ).
        
        4. Fringe manufactured house (prefab) and land packages should be around 1.5 times ( refer Leaky Homes And An Architect’s Musing’s | Scoop News March 2010 published Interest Co NZ as ‘Houston: We have a housing affordability problem’
        
        The housing affordability problem is a nonsense issue.
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

?Lone wolf attack in North Germany

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/20/lubeck-knife-attack-bus-germany
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July 21, 2018 11:42am
- Manolo
  
  How many lone wolves make a pack, cara Maggy?
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:28pm
- realityczech
  
  What did the West do to deserve attacks like this? It is not as if we did anything to them, such as rain 3 bombs an hour on them for nearly a decade.
  
  I mean if we did, it would be incredibly gutless to moan about a knife attack.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kea hassles others for using ‘far-left’ sources and then links to the Guardian. LOL.
    It is hard to troll on every subject and remain consistent, but I for one applaud his efforts to entertain us.
    
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    July 21, 2018 1:50pm
    - realityczech
      
      milky I do that to stop intellectual sleaze bags like yourself from attacking the sources. For Jews I normally double down and get well known Jews from Jewish news in Israel. Of course it never works as you people have no principles or morality at all. Just a random collection of bias and prejudice based on group think.
      
      I regard toenail fungus as a higher life form than you lefties.
      
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      July 21, 2018 2:40pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Whoops, you just outed yourself.
        
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        July 21, 2018 5:08pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “But he was such a good boy…”
  
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  July 21, 2018 5:42pm
Lee C

KS I have been reading your posts, and am willing to decode your semiotic signifiers for the hard of understanding:
‘pork-chops on slow roast’ = online porn
‘mow the lawns’ = one off the wrist (totally naked, in garage)
“I will change the sheets and towels” = no explanation req.
‘time on the sofa’ = getting very drunk
‘so many targets, so little time’ = one last go on smart-tv /check laptop – delete history.
Happy roasting!
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July 21, 2018 11:50am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Your decoder needs servicing Lee 😀
  
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  July 21, 2018 12:07pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Or the decoder is fine and Lee needs ‘servicing’
    
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    July 21, 2018 12:34pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Either/or… 😀
      
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      July 21, 2018 1:49pm
Manolo

The photograph is incomplete: the accidental PM Miss Arden is missing:
https://apnews.com/adb409ee49cf43e38dcda8172f078542/Sanders,-Ocasio-Cortez-rally-Democrats-in-deep-red-Kansas

Two luminaries in the democratic socialist movement — one its national leader, the other its new star — descended on solidly Republican Kansas on Friday, taking their emboldened liberal message to an unlikely testing ground before next month’s congressional primaries.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who rose to fame following her surprise win in last month’s New York congressional primary, see an opportunity to influence Democratic voters in Kansas ahead of the state’s Aug. 7 primary.
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July 21, 2018 12:23pm
Fletch

Governor Andrew Cuomo admits that abortion is not in the Constitution but is a judicial fabrication of the Supreme Court. Alan Keyes points out that so were the Dred Scott and Plessy vs Ferguson Supreme Court decisions which were pro-slavery and took away the rights of black people. Those have both been overturned and so (hopefully) one day will Roe.

What if everyone had simply acquiesced because the Supreme Court said they had to do so? Why didn’t they accept the Supreme Court’s word on racist slavery and segregation as “the law,” and leave it at that?

They refused to do so because, unlike Andrew Cuomo, those who sought to abolish slavery could say, with righteous truth, that the Constitution is framed on premises that condemn depriving people of their unalienable right to liberty as human persons — which the Constitution explicitly acknowledged them to be.

As stated in the Declaration of Independence, the principles of America’s revolution in government hold such violations of rights to be against the law and will of God. Indeed, Divine edicts, evident in “the laws of nature and of Nature’s God” impel all humanity to fight against them.

As a black American, I thank God that previous generations of Americans did not accept the theoretical swill used since the late 19th/early 20th centuries to justify the notion that God is dead and gone, making Divinely rooted law irrelevant. I thank God that they did not continue to withhold from blacks the equal protection and due process of law the Constitution requires, as the SCOTUS now withholds it from nascent human offspring in the womb. They do so even in the face of DNA tests that scientifically prove our children, from the moment of conception, to be as recognizably human as any other human beings on earth.

Governor Andrew Cuomo admits — indeed, he insists — that the so-called “right” to abortion is a judicial fabrication, without any foundation in America’s God-dependent premises of right and justice.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/20/cuomo-admits-abortion-rights/
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July 21, 2018 12:38pm
tranquil

Very good video here – Andrew Bolt interviewing Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux.
Disappointing that the interview didn’t really look at the danger of Islam, but other than that it’s good. Definitely worth a look –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vod5wi-88yY
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July 21, 2018 12:53pm
- realityczech
  
  I look forward to them doing an expose on Israel and the harm done by the Israel lobby in the USA. No doubt they can count on you defending them against the “nazi” crying left?
  
  Oh and sorry that you are disappointed they don’t attack Muslims every time they speak. Maybe next time.
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:14pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup worth watching and spreading. Email this to every Auckland councillor and every MP. We will not be silenced in the pursuit of TRUTH.
  
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  July 21, 2018 7:37pm
wiseowl

There is an appalling press statement on scoop by that appalling american Morse.
Peace Action , yeah right.
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July 21, 2018 1:15pm
- realityczech
  
  These are people who blindly supported the black warlord Obama and viciously attack Trump for restoring relations with Russia and North Korea.
  
  The ones who supported Hillary who said she would immediately attack Iran – pretty much starting a third world war.
  
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  July 21, 2018 1:28pm
DJ Ward

This is cute.

Simon, partner, mum.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12002820
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July 21, 2018 1:22pm
Jack5

Is the subediting of our newspapers being contracted out to Vietnam or Laos?

In an otherwise interesting and informed obituary in the Christchurch Press today:

” … left to join the Grenadier Guards, an infantry regiment of the British Army.”

The subeditors hadn’t heard of one of the most famous military units? Or, they think readers hadn’t heard of it?
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July 21, 2018 2:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You must have had to look very at the newspaper today to find something to get offended by.
  
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  July 21, 2018 2:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    I’m not offended by it at all, Milky, just surprised that they think most of us hadn’t heard of the Grenadier Guards.
    
    Are you suggesting, Milky, that we should comment only on things that offend us? Do you “look very” at Kiwiblog to find someone you can accuse of taking offence?
    
    ? What does “look very” mean, any way?
    
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    July 21, 2018 2:32pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      How dare you insult the memory of our brave boys in Bomber Command, Kea? David Garrett will be along to chastise you severely.
      
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      July 21, 2018 4:20pm
- realityczech
  
  “Or, they think readers hadn’t heard of it?”
  
  Jacksie, not everyone gets off on war fantasies the way you do. Normies don’t get aroused thinking about slaughtering brave Germans and fire bombing their women and children like you.
  
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  July 21, 2018 2:43pm
  - Jack5
    
    I’m not sorry to contradict you, ❗Kea ❗ Realityczech.
    
    I’ve been shown Hamburg by a survivor of the terrible RAF raid, and taken to a flak command bunker which nearly alone withstood the terrible fire storm. I’ve seen women picking through rubble for reusable bricks.
    
    With due respect to the brave New Zealand and other bomber crews, my views on the effect of the bombing of German cities are closer to those in the item linked to below.
    
    Meanwhile you, ❗ Kea ❗Reality, in your hatred of Israel, fantasise about Hamas Gaza militants lobbing rockets through the Iron Dome into Tel Aviv. You are one sick parrot.
    
    Was the Allied bombing of Europe a strategic failure? One view:
    
    https://www.economist.com/books-and-arts/2013/09/21/a-costly-brutal-failure
    
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    July 21, 2018 5:04pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Bomber Harris would probably be tried as a war criminal based on today’s standards, as would those who authorised the use of Nukes over Japan. BUT, we look at these events through the distorted and sanitised lenses of history. There are very few people alive today that lived through the horror of the Second World War, they alone are the only ones that are qualified to judge. Rather than judge, let us learn from this so that those events are never repeated.
      
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      July 21, 2018 7:44pm
realityczech

Here is the real reason for the war on terror, which is more honestly a war on Muslims.

“Nearly a third of Americans, around 100 million people, lean towards evangelical Christianity and of these perhaps a third embrace the Christian Zionist perspective. This is passionate in its support for Israel. Two of the most powerful groups that link with the pro-Israel lobby are Christians United for Israel and the International Christian Embassy.”

https://www.opendemocracy.net/paul-rogers/trump-pence-jerusalem-christian-zionism-connection
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July 21, 2018 2:49pm
- DigNap15
  
  Well there is not much of a war on terror lately.
  It seems more like giving in to terror and muslims everywhere!
  
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  July 21, 2018 3:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    Great. Move to Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq or the dozens of other places helped by the USA.
    
    Those countries were once the most stable and prosperous in the region. Now Europe is flooded with refugees.
    
    I am not defending Muslim nutters. I am an atheist and reckon they suck. Actually I much prefer Jews, but nothing turns on that either as my personal preferences do not turn wrongs into rights.
    
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    July 21, 2018 3:59pm
rangitoto

Another Green tech failure for Super Fund:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105638663/NZ-Super-down-at-least-57m-on-second-green-tech-investment?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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July 21, 2018 3:12pm
- realityczech
  
  There should be a criminal investigation into these fraudulent green investments.
  
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  July 21, 2018 3:16pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Oh come on. Their total green investment is 1.5% and I’m sure in the other 98.5% that thier has been many other losses. It’s the diversity of investment that actually makes the fund work over time.
    
    Frontera makes bigger investment mistakes.
    
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    July 21, 2018 4:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Fonterra isn’t investing Public money.
      
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      July 21, 2018 7:39pm
    - realityczech
      
      This is about investing in fraudulent businesses. Not about the odd loss. Even if they managed to find a non fraudulent green business, they all lose money anyway and the people responsible should be held to account.
      
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      July 21, 2018 7:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        They try and fool folks with saying things like they are following “best Practice” by investing in Climate change greenwash.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105638663/nz-super-down-at-least-57m-on-second-green-tech-investment
        
        It might be time for the Superfund to divest itself of its bright young things and hire someone with a bull-shit detector.
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:35pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        Your wrong. You clearly don’t like invention based enterprise attempting to establish themselves or investors taking calculated risks, or supporting startups.
        They have a working technology that they attempted to establish a Buisiness with. As stated it works but is not being financially viable at current prices.
        Fraud is when you say you can do something but you know you can’t. They did not lie about the tech working.
        If it was viable without subsidies then the fund would have made lots of money.
        It’s called high risk investing and any large portfolio will have some. Overall with skilled staff the wins pay for the loses plus over years a high rate of return.
        
        As for your comment that all green companies lose money. Your full of crap and don’t have a clue what your talking about.
        
        Meridian Energy is 100% green. No fossil fuels. Lots of windmills.
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You clearly don’t like invention based enterprise attempting to establish themselves or investors taking calculated risks, or supporting startups.
        
        You clearly don’t know the first thing about me.
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:04pm
      - realityczech
        
        DJ, you are clearly a sucker for feel good marketing hype. Pull yourself together and apply the same critical thinking you do to other things.
        
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        July 21, 2018 9:08pm
VicParking

Just turned on the Rugby Sevens. The bias against the island teams is beyond a joke. Turned it off
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July 21, 2018 3:19pm
tranquil

Hi realityczech – how’s it going! 🙂

My dislike of Islam is based on the following things –
1 – the Islamic texts (which are *packed* with hatred towards non-Muslims).
2 – Islamic history (scumbags like Timurlane and his armies) – Muslims are estimated to have killed 270 million people (and counting) in the last 1400 years –
https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
3 – Recent terror attacks by Muslims which are simply continuing the trend in (2).
4 – Muslim leaders right in NZ here whose statements directly contradict what is in the Islamic texts (and I’m very happy to give proof of this if asked).
5 – Events overseas where Muslims now dominate many suburbs in various cities.
Suburbs which are now lawless and dangerous for even emergency services to enter. It’s no surprise that I don’t want such places here.

All of the above things are based on *facts*, not “I saw a Muslim at the supermarket and she seemed nice”.

I guess it comes down to *trust*.
You (and others) trust Muslims – I don’t (and given the facts in the areas I’ve mentioned above, I’d say there are more than enough reasons to be wary of them).

Cheers….. 🙂
– tranquil
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July 21, 2018 3:20pm
- realityczech
  
  tranquil, now would you like me to bore all the readers with the awful things said in the bible, written by Jews, for Jews? And then the New Testament?
  
  ✡A double standard is no standard at all.
  
  I do agree about mass immigration and would far rather have Jews moving here than Muslims. However, if we treated Muslims like we do Jews terrorism would end overnight. Jews have the USA and others do their killing for them.
  
  Jews used terrorism etc to further their goals before they tricked bigoted evil people into doing it for them. Do some real reading and see. They are actually proud of the civilians they killed, even the ones that were trying to help them. Start with the King David Hotel attack.
  
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  July 21, 2018 3:26pm
  - tranquil
    
    RC, RC, RC…… I think you’re missing the point, my friend….. 🙂
    
    You mention above that “What did the West do to deserve attacks like this? It is not as if we did anything to them, such as rain 3 bombs an hour on them for nearly a decade.
    
    I mean if we did, it would be incredibly gutless to moan about a knife attack. ”
    
    The assumption seems to be that the attacks by Muslims against the West are motivated by “Western meddling” overseas.
    
    I agree that such meddling doesn’t *help* at all, but Islamic hatred of those outside Islam *long* precedes even the existence of the US.
    
    It is *convenient* for Muslims to say that terror attacks are a response to Western meddling (as it deflects any examining of the religious source of their hatred).
    
    I think the West should pull out of all activity in the Middle East, and then Muslims wouldn’t have an excuse. There would be no “easy out” for attacks to be blamed on.
    
    I’ll leave it at that….. 🙂
    
    Cheers –
    – tranquil
    
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    July 21, 2018 4:07pm
    - realityczech
      
      Okay we will just keep bombing them and invading their countries to make them more “moderate”
      
      You are a fucking genius.
      
      I am an atheist and think you are all mad anyway.
      
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      July 21, 2018 4:09pm
DigNap15

We have to stop going back to the bible etc and look at the world today.
Jews are not a threat to the world.
Israel just defends itself.
Muslims want to take over the world, and they are doing it by stealth.
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July 21, 2018 3:57pm
- realityczech
  
  I largely agree with that line in the sand approach.
  
  However the stuff about Muslims is wrong. No Muslim country is attacking the West. We are attacking dozens of Muslim countries. The reason is Jewish extremists have tricked us into adopting their religious hatred as our own.
  
  • We get out of Muslim lands and stop killing them.
  • Israel has a right to self defense.
  • The West has a right to self defense.
  • Every country has a right to choose who they let in, with no hard feelings.
  
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  July 21, 2018 4:05pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Who are ‘we’, Kea?
    
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    July 21, 2018 4:17pm
    - realityczech
      
      milky, go back to protesting about common people’s babies getting access to life saving incubators. It is what Labour HQ are paying you for.
      
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      July 21, 2018 4:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s a bit weak, Kea. Shall I give you a bit more time to think of a wittier response?
        
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        July 21, 2018 4:55pm
nasska

It seems that a few of the “Maori Elite” are about to have their feet held to the fire. A hikoi is being organised for next week by a ginger group of Ngapuhi who it seems have had a gutsful of the “trickle down” theory.

….”Specific concerns included the small proportion of rūnanga profit that trickled down to the people each year and the lack of progress in reaching a Treaty settlement”…..

BMWs for some vs oratory & promises for the rest may be coming to an end in Northland.

About bloody time too.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=12092249
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July 21, 2018 4:58pm
Viking2

A bit of nostalgia for those from Wanganui or those that like planes.

https://madoncollections.com/collectables/collectors-gallery/the-members-archive/show-tell/1294911-photography-historical
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July 21, 2018 5:43pm
Johnboy

For how much longer are we going to allow these heaps of shit to fly in NZ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/105660623/search-at-lake-wanaka-for-overdue-chopper
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July 21, 2018 5:46pm
- realityczech
  
  Nothing wrong with the machine if used for its intended purpose and within its design limitations ignorami.
  
  In NZ we do all sorts of things with them they are not intended for. Plus there are lots of them, plus they are a favourite of learners.
  
  That is why they are over represented.
  
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  July 21, 2018 6:42pm
Johnboy

Do what I do. Next time you charter a helicopter tell them you won’t fly in a Robinson.
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July 21, 2018 5:54pm
- nasska
  
  What makes them fall out of the air so often JB? They’re overrepresented in NZ crash statistics.
  
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  July 21, 2018 5:58pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://taic.org.nz/watchlist/robinson-helicopters-mast-bumping-accidents-nz
    
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    July 21, 2018 6:00pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Just google “Robinson helicopter design Flaw” Only 34,900 results…. Having spent a bit of time in Bell Jetrangers, I think I’d skip the Robinsons….
      
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      July 21, 2018 7:57pm
      - Johnboy
        
        What the hell would you know?….check out rc above.
        He knows best! 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 7:59pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Just google “Robinson helicopter design Flaw” Only 34,900 results”
        
        Jet Rangers cost a wee bit more. Anyway what does Google say?
        
        [About 65,900 results (0.53 seconds)
        Showing results for bell jet ranger design flaw]
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:01pm
      - Johnboy
        
        If I google “Hughes 500 design flaw” I get 325,000 in 0.38 seconds rc. I still know what machine I’d rather be flying around our mountains in! 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:05pm
      - realityczech
        
        Well same here. Never been in a Robbie.
        
        Best fun ever has been a Hughes 300 shaking and rattling through the tree tops. I thought it was an old VW coming up the valley. Came in by a Jet Ranger.
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:10pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’ll take that as a back down rc! Now I do remember two fat bastards flying into the Kaimanawa’s with a very large pilot in a 300 in the good old days when they left the doors off and slung your gear in a net.
        I was a bit slow and got the outside seat. Half my arse was hanging over the side and I instantly developed a very strong death grip on the Jesus handle till we got back to terra firma…Them were the days! 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:17pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I know Jet Rangers cost a bit more, they are better aircraft. Robinson 44s have gravity fuel flow..no fuel pumps.
        
        Jet bell Rangers .. Fuel is transferred from each forward cell into the main fuel tank by the action of a dedicated dual element ejector (jet) pump powered, respectively, by fuel under pressure from the output side of the left and right fuel boost pumps sited on the floor of the main tank. These fuel bleeds are passed through wire mesh filters/check valves upstream of the jet pumps and are sensed by flow switches. Loss of the fuel flow is indicated to the pilot by the respective boost pump warning light. Thus if the fuel pumps were to fail, or the supply in the main tank becomes exhausted, then these lights should illuminate. Fuel quantity in the main and additional tanks is measured using capacitive type sensors, their outputs being summed and presented as a total quantity on a single gauge on the instrument panel. As the forward tanks are interconnected, the single probe fitted to the left forward tank normally senses the quantity in both forward tanks.
        
        Iknow which I’d prefer.
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        That’s exactly what we did on that trip. Gear in the net and doors off.
        
        Had to ferry gear and friend down to the river flats first as it could not pull everything out of the clearing in one go. Then hook the gear on and drag it forward to try and get lift.
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:22pm
      - Johnboy
        
        rol…Tiger Moths and Super Cubs have gravity fuel flow…seems to have worked for a while! 🙂
        rc/Google will be able to find a design flaw for them I reckon! 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:23pm
      - Johnboy
        
        It’s when you can only get into the pad on your block in a 300 rc cause a 500 rotor is too wide and they have to back out when they pick you up you know you have lived! 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 8:27pm
      - RF
        
        Robinsons are shit, Hughes 500 were a bumble bee, Heliers were ok, Bells were old farts, Airforce iroquois were like a city council bus shaking away….
        
        Great days shooting deer and Cannabis recovery.
        
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        July 21, 2018 10:01pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Mast bump old chap. Never, whatever fly in one around turbulent air conditions such as predominate in our mountainous country! DOC’s banned their people from flying in them for very good reason. 🙂
    
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    July 21, 2018 6:03pm
    - nasska
      
      Just finished reading AoR’s link. It was fairly comprehensive.
      
      In the unlikely event I ever fly again I’ll sure give these death traps a miss.
      
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      July 21, 2018 6:09pm
      - Johnboy
        
        They are fuckin rubbish mate. We only use them here cause they’re cheap. Pay the extra and fly on a real machine when you charter! 🙂
        
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        July 21, 2018 6:14pm
cha

So, someone’s dumped Manafort’s text messages.

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Paul Manafort was a "sex addict" who made his wife have sex with other men while he watched. His daughters were not please, his wife hated it.1/3#Manafort #Manafortleaks pic.twitter.com/B5JMxxhFmH— Mike C! (@HiIamMikeC) July 20, 2018
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July 21, 2018 6:29pm
nasska

Two homing pigeons are in flight.

First one says, “I was released from Tauranga & I’m going back to my home on the North Shore.”

The second one replied, “I too was released in Tauranga but if they think I’m going back to Mt Roskill they can fuck off!”
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July 21, 2018 6:32pm
Fletch

Parents are now being encouraged to raise ‘Theybies’ – a baby that is neither boy nor girl but who can decide it’s own gender at about 4 years old….

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/boy-or-girl-parents-raising-theybies-let-kids-decide-n891836
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July 21, 2018 6:37pm
- MrTips
  
  Chesterton saw it coming nearly 100 years ago:
  
  These are peoples that have lost the power of astonishment at their own actions. When they give birth to a fantastic fashion or a foolish law, they do not start or stare at the monster they have brought forth. They have grown used to their own unreason; chaos is their cosmos; and the whirlwind is the breath of their nostrils. These nations are really in danger of going off their heads en masse; of becoming one vast vision of imbecility, with toppling cities and crazy country-sides, all dotted with industrious lunatics.
  The Mad Official
  
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  July 21, 2018 9:41pm
Jack5

Some on the Left might support classing most posters on Kiwiblog as part of the Intellectual Dark Web, though they will most likely sneer at applying the “intellectual” part of the description to us humble Kiwibloggers.

The Intellectual Dark Web seems to be a group label for those who oppose political correctness, post-modernism, neo-Marxism, or whatever you choose to call it.

To read about it:

1. Go to aldaily.com

2. Click on the paragraph pointing to the Intellectual Dark Web. At present this is the top item at aldaily.com
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July 21, 2018 8:55pm
- realityczech
  
  Is it kosher Jacksie ?
  
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  July 21, 2018 8:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    ‼️ If I were Jewish I would get parrot flesh kosherized.
    
    I see Israel has declared the nation is officially for Jews, and upset Arab Israelis.
    
    ?W e could declare NZ is officially for Seventh Day Adventists. Then no businesses would have to pay tax.
    
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    July 21, 2018 11:07pm
    - realityczech
      
      Lets declare NZ one big christ denying pig farm and keep them all out.
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:27pm
    - GoVege
      
      But we’d all have to go vege wouldn’t we? 🙂
      
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      July 21, 2018 11:35pm
Nookin

Crusaders looking good.
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July 21, 2018 9:27pm
- Jack5
  
  Nookin, the Crusaders are ❗ Kia-Realityczech’s ❗ team in his heart of Syrian hearts. What bloody great castles they built.
  
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  July 21, 2018 11:13pm
  - realityczech
    
    They build a nice Mosque those Christians Jacksie
    
    Hagia Sophia
    
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    July 22, 2018 12:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      kea , built by the Byzantine Emporer Justinian which the Ottomans converted to a Mosque.
      
      DUH!
      
      JAck 5 , those nice castles didn’t stop the Crusaders being booted out of the ME.
      
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      July 22, 2018 12:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy, so your caregiver read you my link. Thanks for sharing that retard.
        
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        July 22, 2018 12:42pm
      - Longknives
        
        Stephieboy-
        Regardless of your Political Persuasion- You really,really need to study some History!
        You are regularly making a tool of yourself here…
        
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        July 22, 2018 7:32pm
Manolo

What is this “thing”?
https://apnews.com/a1770fd620d94bf58d0ff1035d3e0eea
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July 22, 2018 6:44am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Democratic Socialism:
  Where everyone gets a say except anyone who disagrees with democratic socialism.
  
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  July 22, 2018 12:07pm
realityczech

Hilarious joke removes road lice .

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/07/the-sickening-prank-that-broke-a-cyclist-s-collarbone.html

On a more somber note, what if that had of been a little disabled child holding a kitten, that the cyclist failed to see?
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July 22, 2018 5:45pm
- Longknives
  
  I have very little sympathy for Cyclists- They seem to all have the most unbelievably arrogant attitudes!
  I nearly hit one who was riding toward me on a one way once (It was early morning, still dark!)
  I got out of my car and called him a fucking idiot- The lycra-wearing freak shrieked at me and called me all sorts of names ..
  What stuck me was his “I’ve got as much right as you do to be on the road”…
  He was riding the WRONG WAY down a one way street. In the fucking dark.
  Fucking. Moron.
  
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