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waikatogirl

Morning everyone, have an awesome day. ?
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July 17, 2018 8:29am
- Happychappy
  
  The suns out and looking good in the north Waikato so we are off to a good start wg.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:33am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Every day above ground is a great day, and it is a particularly grand one in Hawke’s Bay today with the blue sky and sunshine that is so good for the soul.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:58am
    - sooty
      
      But this ztev has been around all day shitting on everything. I wish Fraser house would swap him out for another one.
      
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      July 17, 2018 4:56pm
- Komata
  
  WG
  
  Thank you; have an awesome day yourself.
  
  FWIW, there’s lots of fog out there this morning, so the day should be fine. Met Service did however mention the chance of a shower. (Hopefully they are wrong).
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    ☀️ ? ?
    World Emoji Day today.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:47am
EAD_TWO

And so it begins:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/105508641/players-hail-frances-beautiful-diversity-after-world-cup-triumph

From the article:

“Vive la diversite!”

“The diversity of the squad is in the image of this beautiful country that is France,”

As predicted, the French win has triggered an avalanche of ~~propaganda~~ stories hailing the win as a victory for “diversity”.

Not a victory caused by a couple of dubious VAR decisions, a tired opposition drawing from a population less than 1/15th the size of France – it was all down to muh diversity.

Funny how the MSM didn’t claim the inverse and say that Croatias win over England or South Korea’s win over Germany was the result of “solidarity, purpose and unity”…..

But seriously, is it really worth letting the 3rd world into ones nation in the hope that some of them can kick a ball better or run faster than other countries 3rd worlders?

Personally, if I was a Frenchman, I’d be happy for the French Team to never win a game again if it meant no Charlie Hedbos, Bataclans, Nices, Marseilles, Toulouses etc. to name but only the most high profile recent massacares.
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July 17, 2018 8:30am
- Ross12
  
  Did they talk about the riots in Paris etc. after the win –it was not all celebrations?
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:37am
- EAD_TWO
  
  As Stuff pushes on diversity puff piece, it was rather ironic that NZ correspondent, Joy Reid got to feel the side of diversity experienced by the person on the street as she got caught up in riots and looting by errrr Feenchmen
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/105512931/1news-europe-correspondent-tear-gassed-in-paris-world-cup-riots
  
  I wonder if Joy Reid is still a MSM reporter who thinks that exotic food and a good soccer team is worth the increase in violent crime, poverty, no-go areas and getting tear gassed while reporting in Paris?
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:40am
- brett68
  
  Only one of the team wasn’t born in France and he apparently came to France when he was two months old.
  
  Just because the players are coloured, that doesn’t mean they’re not French.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:40am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Now come on Brett – there is no need to spout the MSMs globalist PC Koolaid amongst friends on Kiwiblog – even the French coach said the victory was one for “Africa”.
    
    The fact is that a dog born in a stable is not a horse.
    
    If my children were born in China they would not be Chinese.
    
    The geographic location of where someone was expelled from their mothers uterus does not magically turn someone into something they are not.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Is this a precursor to an announcement that you are returning to your ethnic homeland?
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:05am
      - ztev
        
        The salt mines of Latvia ?
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:56am
      - sooty
        
        It must seem that way to you slaving away for Fraser house.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:20am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Funny how the stupid VAR was only needed when African nations were in a fixture.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:02am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Just because the players are coloured, that doesn’t mean they’re not French.”
    
    If an Indian couple immigrate to China and raise a family there, will the children be regarded by the natives as Chinese? How will the local people feel when the son sends back to India for a bride? (On account of the shortage of marriageable Chinese women, no doubt.)
    
    (EAD beat me to the choice of country. Ok, just change “China” to “Japan.”)
    
    The problem seems to be in Old-World nations where ethnicity and nationality go hand in hand.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:55am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      The problem seems to be in Old-World nations where ethnicity and nationality go hand in hand.
      
      They only do amongst those who have had all their common sense and perspective brow-beaten out of them by a zealous MSM and compliant political class who will come down on the heretics like a ton of bricks if they point out that the emperor has no clothes (see Bob Jones)
      
      So instead the likes of poor Brett go on saying that Black is White, War is Peace, Freedom is Slaves & Ignorance is Strength,
      
      among those who appear to be most normal. “Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does.” They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted. – Alduous Huxley
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:07am
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      Oh come off it odakyu-sen, are you seriously suggesting on the basis of >50K years of genetic and social isolation leading to scientifically observable genetic, cultural, linguistic and religious differences that we are not universally all equal, the same?
      
      Are you really arguing for the existence of nation states and/or people on the basis of one or more of these [INSERT LABELS HERE], [INSERT DATE], you do realize it is [INSERT DATE HERE] and [INSERT MORE ACCUSATIONS OF WRONGDOING], are you like a Rightwing National Deutsch Socialist Workers party member or something?
      
      That someone who grew up in China, doesn’t look french, can’t speak French, doesn’t know where France is, has never heard of France isnt as French as you or I or anyone in France for that matter?
      
      That has got to be like, ‘totaly the most racist thing I have heard’ since Lauren Southern was banned from the UK for calling Allah gay or those racists who said the 50M high gold plated statue to the maori god is not representatitve of NZ culture!
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:16am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Holly Roggerz,
        
        The Devil is in the detail. What is your context for “universally all equal, the same”?
        If you are talking about rights before the law, then I would agree.
        
        Do you support government policies to achieve equality of outcomes?
        I do not.
        
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        July 17, 2018 11:16am
  - brett68
    
    When does on become French, German, British etc.?
    
    Your parents arrive as immigrants, a couple of years later after living in their new country they have you.
    
    According to what you’re saying you are still a foreigner even though you may have never been spent any time in the country your parents came from
    
    What happens next? Do you have to marry and breed with some “pure bred native” and then your off spring becomes 1/2 a French/German ….. then after repeating that step for 3 or 4 generations it’s then acceptable for your descendants to be considered a true French/German etc.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:14am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      brett68,
      See my comments above.
      The tensions seem to occur when (in the minds of the natives) race = ethnicity = nationality.
      
      Please note that this attitude is not confined to so-called “white” races.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:24am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Brett – you confuse nationality with a piece of cardboard (passport) issued by the State that signifies Citizenship.
      
      The first is natural whilst the later is an artificial construct whatever Milkenmild might say.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:29am
      - Azzy77
        
        If being born in another country, or having a parent born in another country is a measure of diversity then the All Whites have it over the French in spades.
        Unfortunately migrants seem to only count to the left if they are a different colour #notracistiftheyarewhite.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:04am
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      When the gobbermint decides you are and issues you with the relevant permit, in english countries it is often refered to as ‘citizenship’.
      
      If your still unsure I recommend that you get in touch with your relevant local government department in charge of this category of state license.
      
      It might take you a while, the government believes they control everything and everyone inside of their area of exclusive territoriality, so there are many departments in charge of licensing.
      
      They even have a department in the Jurisdiction of NZ in charge of inventing Human Rights, its trully amazing when a bunch of people get together what they can come up with!
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:23am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      In an Old World ethnically homogeneous culture with unique, valued and identifiable traditions and its own language, there will be a tendency for immigrants of different stock to be regarded as foreigners (by people who don’t personally know them).
      You are right that one way around this is to show the community that you have severed ties to your culture. Some of the ways you can do this are by:
      – Using the native language in your household
      – Not sending your children to schools for ex-pats
      – Joining a local temple or shrine society and making attempts to accept the local belief system
      – Not attempting to arrange a marriage with a native of your forefather’s country
      – Making friends in the native community and encouraging your children to socialize with the locals
      – Not discouraging your children from marrying members of the native community
      – Using a doctor or medical practitioner trained at a national facility (abandoning the folk cures of your ancestors)
      – Not flying your ancestral national flag from your house for all to see
      – Not wearing ancestral national dress in public
      
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      July 17, 2018 11:28am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes it does!
    They are African or Arab not French.!
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:12am
- ztev
  
  And the massacres in the US by gun nuts ?
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:25am
- Morrissey
  
  Trouble is, EAD, my bewildered friend, that all the Charlie Hebdos, Bataclans, Nice truck killings, etc. are a drop in the ocean compared to the massacres carried out by the French in Algeria, Mali, Indochine, etc.
  
  You probably have not heard of this one, but the worst mass killing in France other than during the Nazi occupation was by the French gendarmerie in 1961. The victims were French Algerians…..
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/16/massacre-paris-deniedrians…
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:59pm
Monique Watson

Well thankfully GD finally came up. I might have to put off my ciggie and lunchtime wine for a few hours.
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July 17, 2018 8:30am
- KiWombat
  
  Welcome to yesterday Monique !
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:35am
  - Monique Watson
    
    I missed yesterday. Busy eating cake from my son’s twelfth birthday and hubby played golf. With the fourteen year old. He’s got a lower handicap than me.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:43am
    - pdm
      
      Poverty Bay or The Park for the golf MW?
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:47am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Roundhill Golf Club.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:50am
      - ztev
        
        Roundhill ? Is that the one in very rich and very liberal
        Massachusetts You can see Marthas vineyard from the clubhouse , non ?
        
        Deep Red but dirt poor Alabama is for ‘crackers’
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:19am
      - 4077th
        
        Lol. idiot Ztrev googled the wrong country club. Monique is in California you fucking dope..you know, that utopian socialist cesspit..Busted…moron!
        
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        July 17, 2018 5:45pm
    - holysheet
      
      Thats not a surprise Monique. Your handicap is the booze.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:53am
      - pdm
        
        Obviously I have ballsed up your location Monique – thought you were in Gisborne NZ. My apologies.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:01am
    - 4077th
      
      @PDM, seem Monique is the last remaining sensible person in California.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:41am
- calendar girl
  
  I’ve become aware only in the last 24 hours of the removal of a ‘comment counter’ on an individual’s total comments on KB.
  
  Can anyone provide a link to the announcement of that change, please?
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:40am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    It was removed at the request of the Ministry For Women. No gender bias comment count displays allowed now.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:44am
    - calendar girl
      
      Is that for real, or are you having me on?
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:49pm
  - VicParking
    
    Ditto
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:45am
  - backster
    
    Stephie blew out the counter.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:49am
    - sooty
      
      Not one sensible one in the lot. But he did out himself.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:23am
Longknives

I am watching a very good Doco on Netflix-
Stalin 1941 and the Man of Steel.
Jesus that guy was an evil son of a bitch! Way more ruthless than Hitler..
I wonder of Jacinda ‘Comrades, Comrades, Comrades/Capitalism has Failed’ Ardern is watching it on her break?
But seriously-Why is Nazi ideology so (rightfully) reviled yet Marxists get a free ride??
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July 17, 2018 8:31am
- waikatogirl
  
  Lk, what you don’t understand is Cindy and all the new Marxists believe they will do it better than Uncle Joe Stalin…
  As Professor Peterson warns, anyone who believes they can do it better are dangerously delusional individuals.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:39am
  - stephieboy
    
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    waikatogirl ,”… anyone who believes they can do it better are dangerously delusional individuals.”
    
    Like the US MAGA President?
    
    LOL
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:52am
    - igm
      
      Go find another goat you foul gutless rug pilot.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:05am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yes, great comment. Please give links to the few Trump has murdered since taking power… Communism removes opposition by deadly force, Trump was voted in because people liked what he said and stood for. There is a subtle difference.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:13am
    - 4077th
      
      He is on his was to MAGA, just a few more things to do:
      1. Drop MOAB on Palestine
      2. Drop MOAB on Tehran
      3. Drop MOAB on Damascus
      4. Drop MOAB on Pyongyang
      
      Job done!
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:51am
  - Paulus
    
    Don’t hold your breath but Cindy will be really back in charge (of the idiots) in three weeks.
    Peters pretents he has done a good job but not really – still venal.
    See more baby photos coming out to announce her return to Commander in Chief.
    
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    July 17, 2018 11:27am
- Fletch
  
  Prager asked the same question –
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUGkKKAogDs
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:44am
- RF
  
  Has anyone discovered what was the gift that Putin gave to the royal hotwater bottle.
  
  I was going to suggest a 20 year subscription to Pravda but the Commie Chick received this for her 21st.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  Comrade Longknives, one thing that Stalin never did what Hitler did and that was the attempted extermination of two races of people. I would also add the Poles whom he treated terribly
  
  Namely Jews and Roma ( Gypsies) .
  
  Numerous books including those by the late Alexander Solzhenitsyn have exposed Stalin’s crimes and reviled him.
  
  Jacinda is not a neo Stalinist or whatever.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:48am
  - holysheet
    
    How the fuck would you know that?
    Has she got you on speed dial?
    Comrade stooopid boy doesn’t have the same ring to it as goat shagger.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:51am
    - stephieboy
      
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      holycrap , a bad start for the day for you? What happened? Gulped super hot porridge or splatter super hot omelette over your face?
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:56am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah I just read your crap. Thats enough to get anyone off to a bad start
        LOL LOL LOL
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:00am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I guess when Stalin busy killing 20 million people he didn’t have time to focus on specific races.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:55am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Have you actually read Solzhenistsyn?
    
    Learn your history before you come on here spouting rubbish.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:08am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I think the Serving Suggestions on the back of a Wheat-Bix packet are a bit taxing for our stephie, much less real literature.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:11am
  - labrator
    
    and that was the attempted extermination of two races of people
    
    No, he exterminated whole classes of people. Glad that doesn’t bother you and you’re happy to split hairs on your idol being literally “better than hitler”.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @ stephieboy
    one thing that Stalin never did what Hitler did and that was the attempted extermination of two races of people.
    Your ignorance continues to astonish me.
    
    How about researching Ukrainians and Stalin’s Terror-Famine.
    
    How about researching Stalin and Cossack genocide, Stalin and Tartar genocide.
    
    Check out what he did to the Koreans, Germans, Estonians, Jews.
    
    And if you want references/sources/citations… try looking stuff up for yourself.
    Auckland has wonderful libraries…. spend a few months reading some history…. You might learn something.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, your ignorance to astounds me. Ukrainians like Russians are Slavs and languages are very similar. Yes, I’m aware of the forced collectivisation of agriculture in the Soviet Unions Granary and its disastrous aftermath.
      
      Also, note Soviet leader Nikita Kruschev ( one of Stalin’s top henchman was a Ukrainian.)
      
      But it wasn’t racially motivated ( re Hitler and Jews and Slavs )but political ideology.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It wasn’t racially motivated…..
        
        How do you define a biological race?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:43am
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy ,googling ferociously this morning ….
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:58am
      - labrator
        
        How do you define a biological race?
        
        He doesn’t when people are white. Apparently they’re all the same as it becomes inconvenient when talking about white privilege to bring up “white” cultures that aren’t living in the USA or some other western country.
        
        It always blows me away how much actual racism people are willing to exhibit to try and show others how racist they must be by having a certain skin colour.
        
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        July 17, 2018 11:23am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Hitler killed 6 million people
        Stalin killed 20 million people
        
        But Stalin was politically motivated rather than racially motivated so he’s is an OK kind of guy?
        
        FFS. What planet are you orbiting?
        
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        July 17, 2018 12:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @labrator
        
        Yes, I’m awaiting agog for stephieboy to tell me what “race” the European Jews belong to….. and then to explain how the genetic difference between a Christian German and a Jewish German was on a completely different level from that of a Rus Russian and a Mongol Kazakh or a Turkic Tartar.
        
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        July 17, 2018 12:12pm
      - Local Miller
        
        Hell, the Ukrainians, Russians and Slavs are similar in the same way as Austria, Germany and Switzerland are the same, they all speak a variant of German, in fact the country we call Austria is technically called Österreich, or Eastern Realm. So technically Hitler never invaded Austria did he Steph?
        
        Never mind your ignorance, your obfuscation astounds.
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:30pm
    - realityczech
      
      “How about researching Ukrainians and Stalin’s Terror-Famine.”
      
      They don’t like to mention that as it puts the “holocaust” into perspective – as not even close to being he worst thing in modern history. It is trivial compared to what happened in China and Russia.
      
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      July 17, 2018 12:31pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    SB
    Do you actually believe the crap you write?
    Sqwark
    Trumpters
    Alt-right
    
    Oooo, Stormy …
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:15am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Tsk Tsk.
      LOL!
      
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      July 17, 2018 11:08am
  - Liberty
    
    Stephieboy
    Labours grubby little secret is they are first cousins to the russian socialists that exterminated millions in the 1930s. It is too simplistic to blame Stalin and lenin because there were vile psychopaths.
    We are just fortunate the Maxcist that started the labour party were moderates
    The agenda that drove the russian revolution and the formation of socialist parties here
    Australia , England is all the same. The media who have sucked up the the maxcist for years
    Don’t like to talk about labours marxist family.
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:41am
- Simon
  
  Labo attempted to cover up sexual assault on children. Sick fucks.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:00am
  - KiWombat
    
    https://www.facebook.com/Labour25
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    Simon, cover up ?
    
    Untrue!
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:25am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy ,fucking liar,again.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:55am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Simon, Simon, Simon
    [Sigh]
    
    It was a victim-led response.
    We were being sensitive, don’t you see?
    … Right up to the point where the bloody victims went rogue and led us all to the police and the press.
    Ungrateful bastards! Some people just refuse to be helped.
    //
    
    So now we’ve had to turn our attention to making darned sure the minister’s son’s name stays suppressed … to save the victims.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:13pm
- Lance
  
  I loved the recent “Death of Stalin” movie.
  At stages I laughed till I cried, mainly because it was largely true.
  A delicious black comedy based on fact and banned in Russia
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Good movie. Black humour at it’s best.
    Ganging up on poor old Beria just because he’s a paedophile and the others are only mass murderers.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:52am
    - Lance
      
      Them trying and struggling to find any doctors still alive in Moscow to treat Stalin because all the good ones had been murdered for plotting to poison Stalin was one of the best.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I particularly enjoyed Michael Palin’s flip-flops as Molotov, when he could completely change his mind within seconds, even if it meant betraying his wife, before changing back again in the blink of an eye.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:24am
    - Inandout
      
      Old Joe lay unattended for many hours after a stroke, mainly because everyone was terrified of entering his room. By the time he got treated he was almost dead. I can’t understand how he is still revered in Russia, even by those whose families were decimated by the old prick.
      
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      July 17, 2018 11:35am
      - oob
        
        I can answer that. In Russia they say:
        
        “When Stalin came to power our technology was the plough. When he died we had a space programme.”
        
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        July 17, 2018 1:33pm
- MrTips
  
  Because Longknives, as Churchill alluded to, the winners get to write history.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:11am
- Batman
  
  LK, next you should watch the Long Shadow and the other 1942 doco, Hitler’s Soft Underbelly. Both a great watch with a great presenter.
  
  They aptly demonstrate how vile both Hitler and Stalin were, and how going about calling people Nazis now is kind of missing the point.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:08am
  - Longknives
    
    Cheers Batman will check them out!
    
    *Still laughing at Stephieboy’s effort this morning- “One thing that Stalin never did what Hitler did and that was the attempted extermination of two races of people”
    Sweet Jesus Stephieboy- You outdid yourself there mate…
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  ‘His first books on Russia, Common Sense About Russia (1960), Power and Policy in the USSR (1961), and Russia After Khrushchev (1965) were solid, rather than exciting. But it was The Great Terror that really established his reputation as an historian. By the time it was published the Cold War was into its third decade and there were seemingly few illusions about Soviet Russia. All the same, Conquest opened many eyes to the full scale of that horror and everything he wrote was to be vindicated as the Soviet archives were finally opened. In fact, the figures of Stalin’s victims which Conquest had given, and for which he had once been derided, have been steadily revised upwards by younger Russian historians to at least 25 million. Most of their deaths were not ordered by the dictator in person, but plenty were. Conquest described how one day in 1937 Stalin and Molotov personally approved 3,167 death sentences, and then went to watch a film.’
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11782719/Robert-Conquest-historian-obituary.html
  
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  July 17, 2018 3:12pm
Left Right and Centre

And my favourite local headline today so far . . .
‘Dumbarse parent can’t comprehend McDonald’s playground exits’.

Man – they make it sound like the kid slipped through a magical trapdoor to Narnia – far out.
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July 17, 2018 8:31am
- timmydevo
  
  Most likely was sitting on her phone.
  
  Probably the most annoying thing in any location that involves kids are parents that are supervising with their faces in phones.
  
  I had a debate with someone if reading a book was the same as eyes locked on phone. We decided books are far easier to look up from that a phone, where colours and led lighting is designed to keep your eyes fixed.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:01am
- ross411
  
  Don’t you know, parents are not considered accountable for any of the far right notions such as taking responsibility for their children. They don’t have to feed them breakfast before they go to school. They don’t have to watch them to make sure they do not get in harms way. And they certainly don’t have to feed them decent food when they do feed them, because you can feed them shit like McDonalds and make up excuses when they go on their merry unsupervised way out of the playground when you’re not watching them.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:01am
- GoVege
  
  Ever tried racing around after a 4 year old in a McDonald’s (or any) playground?
  It ain’t easy.
  And the whole point of these playgrounds is to provide a safe, secure environment for kids so mums can get a much-needed break.
  Mums have needs too y’know.
  
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  July 17, 2018 12:41pm
  - timmydevo
    
    Ever so presumptuous that it’s the mum that chase after the 4 year old (and the kids). Similarly listening to talk-back and hearing people “support the girls” in the nurses strike action. Usually it’s women making the remarks too.
    
    Signed,
    The Dad That Does The Home Role Thing
    
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    July 17, 2018 3:18pm
peterwn

Yesterday’s DomPost had most of front page devoted to a hit on Housing NZ for not allowing a woman to move into her recently deceased father’s state house. She is not homeless but thinks she has a right to it just because she was brought up in that house.
Frankly, who cares? Why are subscribers paying good money to see that trash on the front page. The Stuff site carries the story with comments ‘closed’ – the journo no doubt expected to be trashed if he allowed comments.
And why is Duncan Garner criticising Simon Bridges for adversely commenting on the Minister of Health being on holiday in Australia instead of staying behind to deal with the nurses strike. Duncan – your job is to report news – not make it.
Also Duncan, Did you in 2008 criticise ex Labour Ministers who were yelling and screaming for National Ministers to spend the Christmas break period in their Beehive offices to sort NZ out when the world’s economy was shaky (and a big part of the problem for NZ was sorting out Labour’s messes)?
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July 17, 2018 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  peter, don’t subscribe, just let this failing paper sink in its own time. The Aussie bosses are readying to cut their losses on NZ papers, such are the losses.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:59am
  - peterwn
    
    ‘She who has to be obeyed’ won’t let me unsubscribe.
    
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    July 17, 2018 5:31pm
- Colville
  
  Reading that article reinforces how badly Housing NZ is run.
  
  Dear Ole dad who lived in that house for 37 years was employed as a chef, and continues to live in that house for circa 20 years after his kids had left home.
  
  A quite ok 3 bedroom on a HUGE section in a nice spot half an hour from Wellington CBD that families would give their eye teeth for.
  
  Why wasnt dad given a 1 bed flat and the house given to a family of 5?
  Why hasnt the section been subdivided and another house (or 2) put on the back?
  Why THE FUCK would this ganged up solo mum think she has a right to OUR house?
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:03am
  - dime
    
    cause.. feelz
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:14am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If only we had National governments for any part of the last 20 years, Housing New Zealand could have been sorted out.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:49am
    - labrator
      
      They did try to sell some of the hugely valued houses in Auckland to fund more newer houses in lower land value areas but I think that was shot down by Labour
      
      The hidden story in all this is this is about the National Government looking after their private developer mates then putting pressure on the rental market and pushing rents up – Andrew Little
      
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      July 17, 2018 11:28am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes, they did try some tinkering. Jolly good show, that.
        
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        July 17, 2018 2:36pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        HNZ under the National government have also done one helluva lot of work to improve housing stocks with dividing large sections to improve land utilisation and demolishing and rebuilding where housing stocks were inappropriately configured.
        Construction is progressing at pace, but you could bet Nats won’t get the kudos.
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:43pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of the DomPost, does that bloody disgraceful rag still have some Maori name on the front?
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:05am
  - RalphT
    
    It’s still there, though in much smaller type. You didn’t think that once they put it on that they’d have the nerve to take it off? It will be a permanent feature until the day the rag dies, or this Christmas, whichever comes first…
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:14am
    - igm
      
      Too bad the damage is done. Many advertisers took this as a final nail in the coffin for their support. Like most pro-lefty enterprises they are on the way out.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:55am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  I will undoubtedly get downvoted to hell for this despite being the least marxist amongs us here, but regardless the MOH should have gone overseas!
  
  He should have announced he was going overseas! He should have announced that his pre-arranged holiday was going to be extended! And he should have told the nurses that if they havent accepted by the time he gets back that the deal is off and that there won’t be another pay rise this Labour gubbermint, if it lasts 1 term or 3 terms like the last two.
  
  He should of explained to the public that the nurses are paid well above the median hourly wage, and that despite their fabrications of how hard it is, that it isn’t a particularly physically or intellectually demanding job, and that many other NZers work far longer, far harder and for far less pay!
  
  And that the government wants to do right by the people, and on behalf of the people, but they wont be pushed around, and they wont let the people paying their wages be taken advantage of..
  
  And he should of stated that everyone should be disgusted by the action of the nurses! Which they should. Having experienced public and private hospitals I can safely say that a Private hospital employs no where near the number of nurses per patient as a public hospital, and the service is worlds apart!
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Private hospitals in New Zealand are in the fortunate position of being able to evacuate their patients to a pubic hospital should things go wrong.
    
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    July 17, 2018 2:37pm
    - peterwn
      
      And conversely they do much work at very little Health Budget cost. If they ceased to exist the State would have to allocate far more. There would be very few instances that have to be moved to the emergency care facilities of public hospitals. Similarly with integrated, charter and private schools. If the Catholic education had collapsed (mainly because the numbers taking vows and teaching for nix plummeted) it would have cost the State a fortune to replace or buy out the Catholic school land, buildings, etc.
      
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      July 17, 2018 5:38pm
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      No miken, its just the endless bureaucracy and form filling, you fill in the form, they do the data entry, everything that is done, is done two or three times.
      
      There just about as inefficent as possible and it is motivated by an irrationally extreme risk adversion, incompetence and an equally extreme disdain for the taxpayer by management.
      
      Plus everyone has jobs for life and there is no competition so why bother. Prety cruuzy lifestyle as a ‘civil servant’. The entire culture needs to change.
      
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      July 17, 2018 6:12pm
- realityczech
  
  Stuffed fake news – did allow comments and they were very unsympathetic. 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:37pm
holysheet

Headline news
NZ to be predator free by 2050.
I think they need to redefine predator. All the feral imports are breeding faster than the rest of us. A bit late to get rid of them now.
The maori predators on their young are rife in their community.
Diversity is such a wonderful thing to behold is it not?
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July 17, 2018 8:43am
- Longknives
  
  “NZ to be predator free by 2050”
  
  Are they disbanding Young Labour??
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:37am
secondcumming

The father in-law just arrived back from a few days in Sydney. He was saying the taxi driver who took him to Kingsford Smith was actually a ‘real aussie’ for a change…..not the usual surly non-talkative immigrant you normally strike.

Naturally enough, the cabbie had a hard-line view on most things…..particularly immigration. The driver was telling Pop that he reckoned the biggest mistake the government ever made there, was repealing ‘The White Australia Policy’ back in the 70’s. As he so eloquently put it, “This country’s fucked mate!”

I guess this story out of Oz yesterday wouldn’t have helped either –

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1018610454703296512
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July 17, 2018 8:44am
- holysheet
  
  Nah we had an import taxi driver. He was awesome. He must have been a racing car driver in his early days. The way he wound his way through the rush hour traffic to the airport was the best drive I have ever had.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That’s unusual, I seem to get brain surgeons who complain about not being able to get accreditation for their somolian degree, well I think that is what they are saying, can only understand every fifth word on a good day.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:23am
- stephieboy
  
  seondcoming, anecdotal off the cuff crap!
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:27am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    People who have a life have anecdotes.
    You just perv at passers by at St Lukes.
    Sad.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:17pm
  - realityczech
    
    “seondcoming, anecdotal off the cuff crap!”
    
    Just like all the fake stories about racism stupidboy.
    
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    July 17, 2018 5:39pm
Dave_1924

Irony alert on WHOB given its pumping of certain Politicans????… though of course not bribes but political donations… not inferring anything under hand as ever happened in NZ politics….

“Daily proverb
by EagleEyesNZ on July 17, 2018 at 6:00am
Proverbs 17

23 The wicked take secret bribes
to pervert the course of justice.

Tagged: Daily Proverb • King Solomon • Wisdom”
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July 17, 2018 8:44am
holysheet

I got sent out of class today at school for being too sarcastic.
The teacher yelled at me, “What would your parents say if I called them?’
I replied, “Hello?”
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July 17, 2018 8:44am
- KiWombat
  
  We always look forward to your mirth and merriment holy. Like me – you don’t take life too seriously because nobody gets out of it alive !
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:53am
  - holysheet
    
    I got sent home from work last Friday. Apparently I ‘misunderstood Black Friday’.
    Cost me a fortune in shoe polish too !!!
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:07am
    - Dave Mann
      
      ?????
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:51am
Monique Watson

Is David Clark an asshat?
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July 17, 2018 8:48am
- waikatogirl
  
  A King size one Monique. ?
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Almost, an arsehole
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:25am
- 4077th
  
  Like the rest of the floundering cabal, they couldn’t organise a root in a brothel.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:08am
Odakyu-sen

The couple who were swept from the rocks (while fishing) at Muriwai yesterday were a refugee Burmese couple who leave 9 children behind.
Ref: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12090117

I propose that all refugees/immigrants from tropical or landlocked nations undergo a multi-language program in environmental safety for NZ (including how not to drive at high speed on sand, swim fully clothed, fish on West Coast rocks, go walking lightly clad in the bush, etc.)

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July 17, 2018 8:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They’d been here 10 years so I imagine that they’d been fishing there before. Seems he went too low on the rocks to retrieve a big fish and slipped. She tried to rescue him.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:10am
  - dime
    
    10 years and they were still learning english.
    
    im sure they paid lots of tax though.
    
    sad they are dead but goddam we import some expensive people to run
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:15am
    - ztev
      
      Are all those kids natural children or adopted ?
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:16am
  - dave_c_
    
    I would hazard a guess that neither had considered learning how to swim in their ten year tenure here.
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  These are all things that people who are born and raised in New Zealand also die from.
  Are you suggesting that only recent immigrants like yourself deserve any education about outdoor safety?
  Oh, //.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:21am
- Dave Mann
  
  That’s unkind of you Odakyu-sen and beneath your usually high quality level.
  
  I feel so sorry for this couple and more so for the children they left behind. Spare a thought for this poor family in a time of such terrible heartbreak.
  
  It was obviously an an accident, and whether or not they were refugees is totally irrelevant. They didn’t bring it up on themselves by being Burmese. Accidents happen.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:00am
  - Longknives
    
    I have no issue with anyone having ten kids.
    So long as they are well raised and the taxpayer isn’t bloody paying for them!!
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:39am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Actually, more people should have large families. This bullshit about ‘overpopulation’ makes me sick, frankly.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:59am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True. Because people from over populated areas can always migrate to better opportunities. See: Central
        America to North America and Africa to Europe.
        I didn’t see you as a natural proponent for open borders, but I suppose it’s the logical extension of a free labour market.
        
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        July 17, 2018 2:40pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        I’m not a proponent of open borders Mike. What I’m saying is that I disagree big time with the humanity hating propaganda that there are ‘too many people on the planet’.
        
        – The Earth is not overpopulated.
        
        – Humans are not destroying the planet.
        
        – Humans are not raping the world’s resources in an ‘unsustainable’ fashion.
        
        – Polar bears are not more important or valuable than humans.
        
        – As humanity has increased in numbers, our standard of living, happiness, comfort, interest and health has improved out of sight.
        
        – Food is so plentiful that prices are ridiculously cheap worldwide
        
        – If anybody wanted to reduce the world’s human population, the best place to start would be would be with DavidFuckingAttenborough.
        
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        July 17, 2018 5:10pm
KevOB

It’s all on. Some superdumber democrats accusing Trump of all their own obvious faults. Putin & Trump both happily laughing at the lower status pollies who don’t enjoy the mutual respect world leaders give to each other.

Some Americans are about to explode because their war profits base is under attack.
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July 17, 2018 8:54am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  It’s an interesting day when Russia and the KGB are considered more trustworthy than the Clinton-driven CIA, FBI and DOJ
  Drain that swamp Don.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Winnie made mince-meat of Guyon on RNZ this morning.
You wouldn’t guess it from their headline though.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018653925/peters-confused-by-trump-comments-after-putin-meeting
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July 17, 2018 8:55am
- softail 1450
  
  M W,he gave the blonde bimbo Haley Holt on tv1 a good slapping as well,she’s just like Jack lame,plain stupid.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:47am
redeye

LGNZ are making their claim for more power and money. They want to bring decision making back to the people they say.
http://www.lgnz.co.nz/news-and-media/2018-media-releases/bringing-government-back-to-the-people-lgnz-and-the-new-zealand-initiative-start-project-localism/
http://www.lgnz.co.nz/assets/Uploads/46672-LGNZ-Localism-launch-document.pdf
This is something to be very wary of.
For a start they want a larger share of the tax base. Central government will be guarding their share with real vigor so I guess that means giving your town clerk more ability to charge you..
And of course they have made no argument for reducing the size of central government to counter.
So a warning for those that support smaller government.
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July 17, 2018 8:56am
Komata

Odakyu-sen

And so it goes on; more deaths of newbies, at the same places and for the same reasons.

However, it’s a case of ‘horses to water’, and human nature being what it is, all the signs and speaking in the world, simply won’t stop such things happening.

BTW, according to RNZ such people go fishing in such places because they cannot afford to purchase food and see it as a convenient way to avoid starvation (my paraphrase).

On that basis, such practices are likely to continue..
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July 17, 2018 8:59am
- ross411
  
  It used to be that people were responsible for their own actions. That our decisions had consequences. But now we have politics, both in journalism and parliament, which seeks to blame others to forward a suitable agenda.
  
  Sad for the kids, the parents made a choice and the kids have to live with it.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    I love how councils force pool owners to fence them off to prevent drowning.
    
    But when it comes to public areas such as reservoirs , beaches , harbours etc the council types let themselves off the hook and say its not their lookout.
    
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    July 17, 2018 3:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I dispute RNZ’s claim.
  Consider the hours involved driving this family to Muriwai, waiting for the fish to bite, and the cost of petrol involved in transport, it would have been far cheaper to spend the money on Mad Butcher 10-kg bags of frozen chicken pieces.
  To buy a kg of frozen chicken takes far less time and money than to obtain a kg of fresh fish.
  Doesn’t anyone at RNZ do the math?
  
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  July 17, 2018 11:54am
  - srylands
    
    Yes exactly. And unless you are very skilled, fishing off the rocks can be a lean experience. They would go home some days empty handed.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:23pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Day for International Justice to you all.
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July 17, 2018 9:01am
- Inandout
  
  Let’s start with the Middle East.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Maybe start with all members of the UN committing to sign and ratify the Rome Statute?
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:23am
Inandout

Mark on Garner this morning upset Ruby Lips to such an extent she said ‘your party’ in relation to his right of centre politics. Nothing like nailing your socialist colours to the mast, eh Ruby? She is such a softy, touchy, luvvie, diverse sort of woman.
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July 17, 2018 9:04am
- MrTips
  
  Richardson gets it from her and that stupid woman on the Project. Both of them have the intellectual capacity of a gnat and just resort to cheap shots because they have no arguments.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:13am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s all about the feelz for Amanda.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:47am
- ross411
  
  This is the way of the lefty, if you’re not with them, you’re against them. Mark may lean right, but he tries to look at everything fairly from what I have seen in my limited viewing.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:17am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Trump and Putin’s love-in: U.S. president calls Russian leader’s denial of election meddling ‘very powerful’ then rants about Hillary’s emails and his own victory – and Putin says he wanted Trump to win and laughs about the golden showers dossier

* President Trump is in Helsinki, Finland for a summit with Vladimir Putin
* The two men met in private for two hours
* Putin was late to the summit, as well, pushing it back by an hour right after the bat
* Putin denied ‘so-called’ election interference happened
* He proposed a joint commission handle it
* He said Mueller’s investigators could watch while Russians interrogate alleged spies
* But Putin’s spies would get to interview U.S. intelligence officers
* Putin called Trump ‘Donald’ and praised him for North Korean diplomacy
* ‘Who is to be believed and who is not to be believed? You can trust no one’
* Trump said of Putin’s denial: ‘He feels very strongly about it and he has an interesting idea’
* Trump began Monday by bashing the Mueller probe, ‘Crooked Hillary,’ and Barack Obama and went after U.S. ‘foolishness and stupidity’ dealing with Russia
* Russia’s ministry of foreign affairs said it agreed with him in a response
* Trump earlier vented that no matter how well he does he won’t be appreciated
* Blasted the media as the ‘enemy of the people,’ a term used in Soviet times, over the weekend
* Said that Democrats and his critics would go after him even if ‘I was given the great city of Moscow’
* The shots came after indictments of 12 Russian spies accused of election hack conspiracy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5958569/Trump-lauds-new-opportunity-U-S-Russian-cooperation-Putin-shows-hour-LATE.html

Says it all now doesn’t it !
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July 17, 2018 9:04am
- Inandout
  
  Says he is not a politician that can be judged by the ‘Idiot’s Guide To Politics’, like Obama was. Trump is a winner and no amount of Dem/Media collusion will bring him down.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:12am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Trump has a $90m fighting fund so far for re-election. ?
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:48am
    - ztev
      
      Lawyers bills will take most of that
      
      Even Trumps lawyers have had to hire lawyers
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:13am
      - softail 1450
        
        Trev, grinding his teeth over Trumps winning in unison with the pervert septicboy,,,,,,,,,
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:39am
- ross411
  
  It says you see what you want to see, when you read stuff on a site that publishes the messages you want to see. Have you checked breitbart and foxnews to get the other side of the story?
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:18am
- Ross12
  
  You missed this bit sb. A quote from Mr Putin at the press conference.
  
  “For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder, in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over $1.5 billion in Russia and never paid any taxes neither in Russia or the United States and yet the money escaped the country. They were transferred to the United States. They sent [a] huge amount of money, $400,000,000, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton. Well that’s their personal case. It might have been legal, the contribution itself but the way the money was earned was illegal. So we have solid reason to believe that some [US] intelligence offers accompanied and guided these transactions. So we have an interest in questioning them.”
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hillllaaaarrrrrry!!!!
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:27am
    - geoff3012
      
      Is that what you call your favorite goat?
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:46am
    - softail 1450
      
      M M A, that’s what the air hostess screamed when the pissed Clinton fell on her face entering her plane.
      Hiilllllaaaaary.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:34am
- Fletch
  
  LOL. I think Trump is not very subtle. Has always been that way. But it’s not an indicator of anything.
  The past two Administrations have been easier on Russia. Obama famously laughed when Romney pointed out the geopolitical threat of Russia and he (Obama) said the 80s called and wanted their foreign policy back. He also said to Medvedev that he’d be “more flexible” after the election. ANd let’s not forget Hillary’s infamous Russian “reset button”…
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:29am
- lastmanstanding
  
  What a pity that Trump and Putin didnt declare WW3 right there and then. Would have been something else to blame Trump for.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:30am
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy ,off the rails with rage at Trumps successes ,what a lefty moron.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:41am
- Scott
  
  Everyone is turning on Trump and saying he was weak and not standing up to Putin.
  I would say two things –
  Trump is rhetorically mild towards Russia and yet his actions are strong. He lambasted Germany about their pipeline with Russia, he armed Ukraine defending themselves against Russia and he bombed Russian ally Syria.
  Secondly Trump’s critics will never be satisfied. If he is mild then he is weak and an appeaser. If he is strong then he is a madman and a warmonger.
  Trump and Russia should be judged by actions not words.
  
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  July 17, 2018 11:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Putin and Trump both very large egos. Trump was just playing appeaser to Putin. It’s all political gamesmanship.
    
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    July 17, 2018 11:58am
Simon

Trump Putin summit very successful.

Trump, I would rather take a polcitcal risk in the pursuit of peace than risk peace in pursuit of politics.

Top class. Everyone wants peace. The wars are over.
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July 17, 2018 9:05am
- stephieboy
  
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  “‘You have been watching one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president I have ever seen’: Anderson Cooper eviscerates Trump after Vladimir Putin press conference”
  
  * Anderson Cooper slammed President Trump in the wake of his press conference with Vladimir Putin on Monday in Helsinki
  * ‘You have been watching one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president at a summit in front of a Russian leader,’ said Cooper
  * President Trump was asked during the press conference if he would denounce Putin and if he believed his own intelligence agencies over the Russian leader
  * ‘I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today,’ said Trump
  * ‘I thought we were going to get out of that press conference with a minimum of damage and that was really, really extraordinary,’ said Christiane Amanpour
  * ‘The president of the United States very much yielding the field on this day to Vladimir Putin. Anderson,’ noted Jim Acosta, one of Trump’s frequent target
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5959579/You-watching-one-disgraceful-performances-president-Anderson-Cooper.html
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:09am
  - Inandout
    
    C&P…C&P…stephie lol.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:13am
    - dime
      
      lol does stephie think people are reading his angry bullet points?
      
      why dont you head off to st lukes for the day you little creep.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Works for Hugh doesn’t it?
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:32am
  - Simon
    
    Soyboy its over. Trump is winning bigly. (and Mercia & the world)
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:16am
  - Fletch
    
    Of course the talking heads are going to say that. They’ll spin any event in a way that is anti-Trump.
    
    Jake Tapper did comment though on the Russian spies thing –
    
    Tapper said: “It’s unfair to hold you responsible for the entire Obama administration, but you read this indictment and you think, ‘Boy, the Obama administration, they really kind of missed the ball on this.”
    
    “I mean, yes, they issued that report, but President Obama said… he told Putin to cut it out or knock it off, it wasn’t particularly strong, and then there was all this hesitation about warning the American people for fear of looking partisan,” he continued. “In retrospect, doesn’t it seem to you that the Obama administration was at least to a degree asleep at the switch?”
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Makes one wonder why the Republicans in Congress refused Obama’s request to deliver a joint public message. Obama, as usual, was too hesitant for fear of appearing blatantly partisan in a matter of national security.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:46am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,Trump is making the west strong again and septicboy is grinding away whats left of his teeth….ha,ha,he,he,…….
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:29am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Trump is doing OK. The biggest threat to the worlds’s survival is thermonuclear war involving Russia, China and the Usa with North Korea as the opening gambit. So Trump goes and talks to the Leaders of these countries and for the most part they all seem to be getting on OK. Now the anti Trumpists hate this, so they will do anything to say what a failure this is. I feel a lot safer in a world where these guys are smiling at the end of a meeting, than not. Stephieboy and the Islamo-Communists of course see things differently. They need war, famine and poverty to push their evil, distorted view of how we should be living.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:24am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, sure – the best way to ensure security is to do what your nuclear-armed foes want and weaken your own mutual arrangements with allies that have trusted you and worked with you for decades.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:30am
  - marcw
    
    USA & China are in a standoff over trade tariffs – the best plan for Trump is to ‘cozy up’ to the russians so that China is left to ponder how far they can push back. Wonderful strategies in action, and show Trump is winning, winning, winning. A bob each way as we would call it.
    
    Great stuff. Wait for the quiet fold and concessions from China and they agree to sit down and make progress on their trade dispute.
    
    Not that the MSM will report it.
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:51am
- KevOB
  
  They have announced joint agreement on getting the Syrian refugees to return. That probably means cooperation on the rebuilding of Syria.
  
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  July 17, 2018 12:51pm
hullkiwi

Yesterday, DPF posted a piece about Taxcinda & the CoL attempting to take NZ’s industrial relations back to the 1970s.

A number of us who can remember that far back pointed out it wasn’t such a great era, but then there was Psycho Milt claiming it was a period of low unemployment & high wages etc.

To his credit PM was correct sort of.
I too can remember low unemployment & higher wages, but (& it is a very big but), NZ was a very different cojntry/economy and the question for PM (& Greenies like JAG) do you really want to go back to that kind of country.
For instance:
1. Unemployment was low because a large portion of the population were not counted as employed or unemployed – they were the stay at home mums/housewives who did not really feature in the economy. So PM, are you up to telling JAG & 50% of the population their career options will be limited again?;
2. NZ’s economy was protected & had jobs and industries protected by government;
3. Employment & welfare benefits that are common today, would have to go e.g. paid maternity leave, reduce annual leave to 3 weeks etc.;
4. Technology has meant that a number of jobs common a generation ago have all but disappeared e.g. do you remember the days when every shopping area had an electrical repair shop? – try & find one today for your faulty TV;
5. Remember the days of no weekend shopping?; and
6. Only a handful of supermarkets, because each suburban area had multiple grocers, butcher’s, green grocers etc.

The reality is our society has moved measurably since the 1970s, so it is false dreams to believe the 1970s was ever a golden age & it is a pipe dream to believe industrial relations can ever go back to that era without major changes to NZ.
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July 17, 2018 9:05am
- ross411
  
  I remember a corner store/dairy that sold meat. Who would ever go to get sliced meat from a dairy, sliced by the shopowner and not in a packet, these days?
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I would. Fresh meat, sliced in front of you. People do go to real butchers, you know. Goddam snowflakes like you that think meat only comes in plastic packets from delicatessens would faint at the sight of real-world butchering.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:32am
    - ross411
      
      I went to a DAIRY that sold sliced meat. Not a BUTCHER. Can you read?
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:46am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sure, the old bacon slicers. Nothing wrong with them, apart from hassles from snowflakes like you who need everything in a plastic bubble served by someone in a safety vest.
        
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        July 17, 2018 11:20am
      - ross411
        
        mike you spend so much time just being plain antagonistic and trolling here in order to disrupt things, don’t you sometimes reflect that this negative nature of yours flows throughout your whole life?
        
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        July 17, 2018 11:33am
- Dave_1924
  
  >High wages to due to accelerating inflation.
  >Low unemployment due to bloated government run Post Office, Ministry of Works and Railways etc soaking up excess capacity in the labour force
  >Just about everything closed on the weekends
  >Endless strikes – taking the Cook Strait ferry at the beginning of school holidays was a major risk as you never knew if it would be running when you wanted to come back
  
  NZ in the mid 70’s onwards was spiraling downward economically. Constant currency devaluations in the face of rising oil prices which drove inflation and a closed economy preventing cheaper goods being available
  
  Anyone who wants to go back to the 70’s is a masochist or incredibly stupid. It was no wonderland at all…
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:21am
  - Paulus
    
    And my Mortgage was at 21% in the 1970’s.
    
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    July 17, 2018 1:03pm
- labrator
  
  Not to forget we didnt’ compete on the international market. We had to make most things here because we threw up great big import tariffs to force job creation here. So yep, inaccurate talking points like Psycho would remember sound great to university students until you point out things like:
  1) Womens participation rate at universities
  2) The average age of first birth
  3) You had to ask the government to move money out of the country
  4) Trucks couldn’t go further than 120 miles a day
  5) Death taxes
  6) Car free days
  7) …. it really just goes on and on and on… not dreamy at all.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:22am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And if you sent anything on the railways it would almost certainly either end up in the wrong place or disappear altogether.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:21pm
    - Paulus
      
      As would lamb carcasses on the Wellington Wharf awaiting shipment – unless you knew who to talk to.
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:05pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes the world, and NZ and society has moved on. There have been lots of changes, some good some bad.
  
  As an older guy, I would much rather be living in todays world than 50 years ago.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:10am
- ztev
  
  Unemployment is still counted based on those ‘looking for a job but dont have one’.
  
  Where do you get your quaint ideas that bear no relation to reality.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Ztev the Household Labour Survey was introduced in 1986 for the purposes of counting all those in work or looking for work. As opposed to in 1986 the narrow definition of the total number of those registered with the Dept of Labour as unemployed or in job training, which had been taken as the number unemployed. Prior to 1986, it was common for women not to feature in unemployment statistics because they were not registered.
    Nothing quaint about it.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:29pm
Happychappy

I am looking forward to the result in the case of Bob Jones Case against a Maori film-maker defending her petition to revoke Sir Bob Jones Knighthood.
Renae Maihi in response to Jone’s statement of claim admitted language used in her petition was defamatory but denies defaming Jone’s, relying on
defence of honest opinion, and absolute privilege. Lets hope that Jone’s wins this judgement and a lesson is learnt from some of the Maori radicals that have achieved in their careers that you can’t be crybabys at every whim and expect others to be stripped of Honors they have achieved through giving to NZ because it offends the minority.
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July 17, 2018 9:05am
- ztev
  
  Jones is stuck between a rock and a hard place. No doubt his high priced QC will be telling him, either disavow your older comments or you will lose the case and be branded a racist because of them.
  Same thing happened for dear sweet nonagenarian Earl Hagaman RIP, who went gunning for Little, but ended up establishing a new way for politicians to defame people by ‘doing their duty’
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:08am
  - KevOB
    
    Your inherent biases get in the way of sound judgement.
    
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    July 17, 2018 1:02pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Jones is a racist. There’s forty years of his racist bilge on the public record condemning the old goat.
    
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    July 17, 2018 3:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Honours they have achieved.
  Bob Jones reputedly gave $1 million to the Ballet for that knighthood. The deal by Geoffrey Palmer was the last straw for Bill Rowling, who quietly let his Labour Party membership lapse.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:43am
- labrator
  
  It’s a cut and dry case. I’ve seen the evidence. Bob Jones is so racist he forced New Zealands’ most loved Māori presenter and comedian to work as a general labourer on his house.
  
  The defence rests your honour.
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:24pm
artemisia

Motels v Airbnb. Christchurch moteliers say this has been the hardest winter since the Canterbury earthquakes – and they are blaming both AirBnB and a lack of events.

Except. It’s only some motels with occupancy down. Not that it is very clear from the two wireless interviews this morning with the sector spokesperson as Christchurch guest nights are actually up from last year. Motels might not be getting ‘our share’.

The world changes. “Our share’ is not guaranteed for ever. Underperforming motels – change or fold. That must be true, Ministers tell us that businesses that can’t survive need to close down.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018653942/airbnb-no-events-blamed-for-business-drop-chch-motels
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July 17, 2018 9:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Except that regulations and rates charges are unfairly screwing the scrum in favour of AirBnB hosts relative to motel owners.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s a widespread problem. Like uber and other disruptions to business as usual. There are points on both sides. Innovative business models shouldn’t be stifled by unnecessary regulation. Existing businesses shouldn’t be disadvantaged because existing regulations and taxes only capture their way of doing business. Consumers might want lower prices and flexible services, but also get very upset when they are ripped off.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:38am
lastmanstanding

Last night I switched to CNN by mistake. There was a thin lipped bitch on a broom stick presenter banging on about Trump and Putin. She was beside herself raving on about them meeting together with maybe only translators. She was raving that as she and the other LEFT MSM werent going to be there they didnt know what was going to be discussed and Trump could “give away everything” in her words. The other dude presenter with her just nodded and looked like he was under her control and said nothing.

She was obviously wanting WW3 to be declared by the them so she had yet another thing to blame Trump for.

It really is at the point where the LEFT are exhibiting extreme mental breakdown.

We are nearly 2 years into what will be an 8 year term and they still cant get over the fact that Hil lost and The Don won.

Mental Morons all of them.
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July 17, 2018 9:18am
- ross411
  
  You can guarantee any friend she had who dared to point out another perspective would be gone-burgers and put down/slandered to any common people they know.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘switched on to CNN b y mistake’
  I don’t believe you.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:39am
  - ross411
    
    And?
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:48am
- KevOB
  
  Putin’s presser about Hillary getting $400m and the indirect background to the current anti-Trump/Russia campaign will leave them speechless.
  
  The situation in Syria seems to be under mutual review too.
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:06pm
Morrissey

Precision Nazism

From the excellent Norman Finkelstein….

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/16/precision-nazism/
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July 17, 2018 9:22am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Downticked because it’s the Morris dancer. Didn’t bother reading it, coming from him it’s bound to be a load of crap.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:33am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Typical vile Anti Israel crap. Morrisey is a 1st class fuckwit and best described as an Islamo-Communist.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:51am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    You really should read before downticking, otherwise all your doing is what Goff did to the Canadians!
    
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    July 17, 2018 11:34am
    - Morrissey
      
      I appreciate the point you’re making, my friend, but the comparison is not quite appropriate. Phil Goff banned the Canadian Nazis because he knew and understood what they stood for. I, like many people here, actually think he was wrong to ban them because if we are going to go down the road of banning racists, why just ban racists from overseas? Why not ban Don Brash from ever speaking on council-owned premises? I don’t like Brash, either, but I wouldn’t ban the old fool.
      
      So Goff banned those scumbags because he understands them. Poor old Cap’n Mainwaring, on the other hand, is signalling his determination to remain defiantly, hopelessly ignorant.
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        Morrisey says in his 1.43 post:”Phil ~~Gaffe~~ Goff banned the Canadian Nazis because he knew and understood what they stood for.”
        
        So the Mayor doesn’t believe in free speech, Morrisey. Gaffe made a decision based on his assessment of the Canadians’ views and banned them.
        
        Didn’t pick you for a supporter of speech censorship, Morrissey. That puts you in the company of Dame Devoid, the outgoing Race Relations Head Honcherette, and the chief of police, who would tighten controls on speech and expression.
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:32pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I’ll see your “excellent Norman Finkelstein ” and raise you “Buzzfeed – 10 Hamas Crimes Against Humanity”. Fuck off, Terrorist Hugger.
  
  https://www.buzzfeed.com/standwithus/10-hamas-crimes-against-humanity-idym?utm_term=.lcJlNxGBZ#.tkOAE3NK5
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:36am
  - Morrissey
    
    Fool, Buzzfeed has about as much rigour and as much respect as Whaleoil’s site. Norman Finkelstein on the other hand is renowned for his scholarship and his integrity.
    
    Unlike you, I’m familiar with both Buzzfeed and the work of Norman Finkelstein, so unlike you I know what I’m talking about.
    
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    July 17, 2018 1:29pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Were you out there with your Hamas mates in Aotea Square Morrissey?
  
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  July 17, 2018 11:24am
Simon

Putin knows what happened during the 2106 election.

But the dirt isnt about Trump.
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July 17, 2018 9:29am
dime

I watched about half of the 40 min press conference between Trump and Putin this morning.

seemed normal. spoke about peace and having a better relationship. getting nukes out of north korea.

trump said its a disgrace that previous governments haven’t tried to improve relationships with Russia (Hillary would probably be at war with them now).

anyway, the front page of the Herald is calling trump treasonous lmao

I thought we wanted the cold war to be over?
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July 17, 2018 9:31am
- dime
  
  the best line was from trump. it went along the lines of
  
  “the easy thing to do, politically, would be to not take this meeting. but I am the President of the USA and it’s my job to do whats best for the people”.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Like Trump, dime is happy to trust Putin.
    Stay safe in your bubble, dime.
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:41am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I actually trust and respect Putin more than Jacinda.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Good for you for having an opinion, however weak-minded and irrelevant it may be.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:44am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Of course. Right-wingers always trust nationalist authoritarians over liberal democrats, that’s how the USA got Trump in the first place.
        
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        July 17, 2018 1:10pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Idiot.
        
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        July 17, 2018 1:29pm
      - oob
        
        Of course. Right-wingers always trust nationalist authoritarians over liberal democrats
        
        Put another way, Milt:
        
        “Right wingers prefer competence over an incompetent little girl who grew up in a cult, wore Magic Mormon Underpants until it was no longer politically expedient to do so and is committed to imposing totalitarian socialism upon our society because she read a little Marx and lacked the wit to understand it.”
        
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        July 17, 2018 2:33pm
    - Ross12
      
      I suppose you trust Anderson Cooper, “morning” Joe, Acosta, John Brennan , Clapper , Strzok &co.
      Frankly the way it is going, I think I’d trust Putin over all of them.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:58am
    - dime
      
      What has Putin actually done over the last 20 years? Some border conflicts. ummm opposed the US in Syria?? Offed the odd person with some poison.
      
      The Yanks have done far far worse. How many countries did obama bomb again?
      
      He doesn’t seem that bad to me.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:27am
    - rangitoto
      
      You are an idiot if you think Trump trusts Putin in the slightest. He is upping the pressure with defense spending at home and forcing the Euro’s to beef up their defense.
      
      Trump is following the keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer doctrine.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:30am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That line might have more credence. But, as you see from the above comments, we have plenty of morons here from the “I trust Vlad” camp.
        The kind of weirdos the Russkies called ‘useful idiots’.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:50am
      - brett68
        
        Trump and Putin are just trying to create a business case for the arms industry.
        
        Big bucks to be made in weaponry.
        
        The whole thing is smoke and mirrors
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:53am
- MCos
  
  The original Cold War has been over since some time last century.
  With Trump in the WH there’s no chance of a new one breaking out with Russia as long as he agrees with everything Putin says.
  You Trump arse lickers can spin it any way you like. The guy is a disgrace to America. All his intelligence people say Russia meddled with the US elections, but based only on the word of the alleged perpetrator he publically disagrees with them . . . .
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:56am
  - dime
    
    “All his intelligence people”
    
    every single one of them HAHAHAHA
    
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    July 17, 2018 11:00am
  - KevOB
    
    Read the recent indictment. It’s a comic travesty. The parties named should insist an trial and damages for the outcome. It takes facts not Muellerisms to support a prosecution.
    
    The indictment states it doesn’t have any facts but this is what happened. Tell that line in any NZ Court if you want a lecture on basics.
    
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    July 17, 2018 1:14pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You think the indicted Russians will come to the US to have their day in court?
      
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      July 17, 2018 2:45pm
      - KevOB
        
        Others just sent the their lawyers. That caused the prosecution much havoc when discovery was sought.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:38pm
      - axeman
        
        Exactly KevOB. The Ruskies are still laughing at that. Plus one of the Russian ‘companies’ indicted previously, does not even exist.
        
        Putin has offered to Mueller and his team, to travel to Moscow and interview the indicted Russians from last week. Can’t see the 13 Angry Democrats agreeing to that 🙁
        
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        July 18, 2018 1:23am
- Huevon
  
  I’ll have to watch it later.
  
  I have 0% trust in the NZ media to report the meeting accurately. Judging by their latest bout of hysteria, Trump must have said something sensible.
  
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  July 17, 2018 11:41am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes like “Pay your share”
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:29pm
waikatogirl

Lava from the Kilauea Volcano, or one of its vents closer to the coast, has shot molten lava into the air with it landing on a tour boat injuring 13 people. Resulting in one person having a broken leg while the rest were burnt from the molten hot splatter. Spectacular and dangerous.
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July 17, 2018 9:40am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I wonder why a tour boat would be that close.
  Someone will probably be sued.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:22am
  - sooty
    
    If your going close, a tin roof might help, not a pretty canvas one.
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:39am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The boat had what looked like a substantial aluminium roof. No match for the molten basketball sized rocks being lobbed skywards and ripped a half-metre sized hole before landing on the passengers below. Turns out the vent the lava rocks were coughed from was one that had formed on the coast. The tour boat was a decent distance from the coast – not far enough as it turned out.
      
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      July 17, 2018 12:36pm
  - VicParking
    
    It’s America everyone will be sued
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Lava.
  Have the media blamed Trump yet, or just white people generally?
  
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  July 17, 2018 12:40pm
RF

Commrades. …. Your undivided attention is requested….. soon our glorious leader will be back in charge and the pretender to the throne will be dispatched back to the gulag for re-education.

I am picking her return will be by stealth to avoid scaring the horses. Might I suggest it will start off with the odd friendly public comment with a caring face and a family photo shoot with the fisherman and royal Bub perhaps in the Women’s Weekly or similar.

She will need to somehow try to show she is still the leader so look for a small sacrifice such as some poor underling who has not performed to her expectations.

Soon it will be business as usual with comments such as absolutely and let’s have a conversation. In other words lies will be the norm.
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July 17, 2018 9:56am
- sooty
  
  Nah. Not till the new year.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:40am
- Paulus
  
  New baby photos already produced.
  More to follow before the six weeks is up to establish that she has not been forgotten.
  Two weeks to go before Coronation.
  Should sack many Ministers but has no Labour replacements except Greens and NZF.
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:14pm
Jack5

Thanks to New Zealand’s Green “enthusiasm”, as many as 3000 of the gutsy little tahr have been killed in a cull in the Mount Cook region, it is alleged in the Otago Daily Times today.

Lewis Hore, of Oamaru, writes to the editor that the cullers would have used around 4500 rounds of lead buckshot. He reckons that entails 4500 plastic rounds, 4500 plastic wads, and about 200kg of lead. In one mission.

These will now be killing our endangered keas, he suggests.

Hore notes that DOC and the Kea Conservation Trust say keas are being killed by lead, and point to lead-head nails on mountain huts and even lead balance weights on car wheels. However, these nails have been on huts for decades, but keas were abundant until the last 20 years or so.

Hore adds that the wheel weights could be a factor only on the three mountain passes.

Before someone pipes up that maybe steel ammunition was being used – I don’t think so. Buckshot that can be bought readily in NZ is lead.
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July 17, 2018 10:19am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  These Green wankers aren’t wired for happiness are they?
  Always upset about something or other.
  I blame vegetarianism.
  It isn’t good for your brain.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:24am
  - realityczech
    
    Vegetarinism is proven to cause irreversible harm to the brain and wider nervous system. You only have to be around a vege cult member to see how sick they are mentally and physically.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:21pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Sounds like we need an immediate ban on shooting everywhere outside target ranges.
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:13pm
Batman

There are others above claiming Trump had a gloriously successful meeting and press conference with Putin this morning.

Well, I’m sorry to say, you all must be on drugs to think that. Regardless of any partisan posturing, the US President meekly submitted to Putin, believed what he said, and claims “all I can do is ask the question.”

What a joke. He bombasts his way around Europe saying whatever the hell he wants, interfering in domestic UK politics, running down a critical western alliance, and generally making the US look as brash and as stupid as many overseas see them.

Then when he meets Putin he’s suddenly Mr Subservient, and literally backed Putin over his own country. I saw it described as disgraceful and I’d have to agree.

Today, the Trump who so many here think is a “winner” and can never lose, bent over and gladly took one up the jacksie from the Russian thug.

It’s a sad day for America, and a sad day for the western hemisphere which includes us.

Oh, and Winston is playing for the Kiwi redneck vote with his comments, so I expect many here will vote for him in 2020, thus securing a second term for the useless Labour govt.
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July 17, 2018 10:25am
- rangitoto
  
  You are drunk on the MSM kool aide.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:38am
  - Batman
    
    I play a pretty centre-right bat, and I have no time for our own lefty media luvvies who are stuck in their bubble of 30-somethings who all live in the two big cities.
    
    I have experience in this field. Trump has failed the real politik test. He’s fucked America’s position on the world stage.
    
    You can tell yourself otherwise, but the Russians won today, and that isn’t anything to be pleased about.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:24pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Yeah? Maybe – but the Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong in you.
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You might be a little unprepared to deal with the Trumpistas, who seem to delight in following their idol in managing to believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
      
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      July 17, 2018 2:49pm
- 4077th
  
  Robin not putting out?
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:41am
  - Batman
    
    Both lame and off topic.
    
    Try to be a little more mature.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:24pm
    - 4077th
      
      Maybe so but I don’t have delusions of being a nocturnal super hero. So now who is being immature?
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:42pm
- UpandComer
  
  No it was a success. The deep state on the United States owned by the neo cons who are linked directly with Trotsky and the Israel firsters want nuclear war with Russia. Of course they’re going to attack Russia. Russia is outside their control. Putin is a native Russian. None of this criticism existed when Russia was being pillaged by Jewish oligarchs. Of course.
  Now the lives of the Russian people are improving under Putin. Because a corrupt Russian is less corrupt then the corrupt jewish oligarchs.
  
  The MSM screeching is purely because they need an eternal cold war for the Narrative. Let Russia and the United States be friends. The MSM of course has had nothing to say about the Awans. The Awans who had root access to the US security apparatus and who were on the payroll of about 36 Democrat congressmen and women. Who fed intelligence to Pakistan and the Muslim brotherhood. About Uranium One or Skolkovo Valley where hilariously Clinton gave away one third of America’s strategic uranium supplies to Russian Jews, and gave military secrets to Skolkovo. Nothing about Israel’s subsidiary of IBM putting backdoor entries via hardware into every computer and IBM chip they’ve ever sold.
  
  I hope Trump and Putin chase the money lenders out of the temple, and crush all opposition to themselves. No one is going to fight Russians for some shitty pagan vision of Greater Israel. No matter what Moloch and the Kaballah says.
  
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  July 17, 2018 12:08pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Israel firsters want nuclear war with Russia. ”
    
    No they want it with Iran ultimately. Syria, Egypt, Libya etc have all been taken out as a prelude to that goal. Russia is on ok terms with Iran hence the restarting of the cold war.
    
    Hundreds of millions have been affected by this Jewish religious war. The largest in human history and one of humanities worst atrocities.
    
    All for the sadistic blood lust of Jewish extremists.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:19pm
  - Batman
    
    You lost me at deep state, then lost me even more with your insane rambling about Jews and nuclear war.
    
    See your doctor about these hallucinations you’re having.
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:26pm
    - realityczech
      
      ✞Batman✞
      
      You know what Jews think of you Christians and Jesus?
      
      It makes my view of you look rosy. In Israel they burn your churches and spit on your clergy. They hate you.
      
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      July 17, 2018 12:36pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Say what you want. Just write to Vic Alhadeef and the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies and tell them to give Australia it’s free speech back.
      
      Your theological, geopolitical and historical ignorance and stupidity isn’t my problem.
      
      We aren’t going to have Vic Alhadeef and his network in NZ subjecting NZ’s free speech to a Holocaust.
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:27pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It was the Joooz, Batman!
      UpinaComa knows how to deal with them though. Kapow!
      
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      July 17, 2018 2:51pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Lol. Tell give Australia it’s speech back Jiminey Jillikers.
        
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        July 17, 2018 2:53pm
dime

Another “article” in the Herald. some 40-year-old woman telling other women how amazing it is to be single and not have kids at age 40.

It’s just so wonderful she just has to tell the world lol

shes either cold as fuck or she will be crying at a fertility clinic at some point.
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July 17, 2018 10:35am
- Jack5
  
  At least Hooerald readers don’t face Tom Scott’s dreary cartoons and the weekly slab from the middle-ager learning Maori language.
  
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  July 17, 2018 11:01am
  - DigNap15
    
    It should not take them long to learn the language.
    It only has a few thousand words (if that)
    
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    July 17, 2018 12:27pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Then how come you can’t speak it?
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:45pm
      - MrLovebucket
        
        It’s more useful to learn Klingon
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:15pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  She must have read Irish Savants article from last week and tried (in her own embittered way) to set the record straight 🙂
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2018/07/its-womans-world-or-is-it.html?m=1
  
  It happens all the time. Even here in this remote corner of Ireland I know lots and lots of attractive clever young women who realised late – too late – that they really did want a normal family. But by that time they are unprepared for it. Their skills revolve around being sexy career women, and when they lose the “sexy” part they’re left with nothing but a career — usually not a particularly impressive one in a cubicle farm. Within a few short years, years that fly by with horrifying speed, they are, to use the cruel colloquialism, ‘past it’. Embittered, barren, hollowed-out husks, asking themselves where it all went wrong.
  
  Meanwhile her male counterparts, having enjoyed her body while it was at its most sexually desirable, are now settled down with someone else. Someone who’s not as liberated as our heroine. And to crown it all the reality of innate capabilities and commercial pressures have meant that he’s now overtaken her…..she who thrived initially on AA but who just couldn’t cut it as the going got tougher and tougher and as her enthusiasm dropped on realising that career was a poor substitute for a family.
  
  But if feminism has worked to men’s advantage in this way in reality it’s a Pyrrhic victory for all of us. Because feminism has still achieved its primary goal of turning our men and women against one another and thereby precipitate the inevitable social degradation we now see around us.
  
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  July 17, 2018 11:34am
- UpandComer
  
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6794602/horror-in-leicester-square-as-man-in-his-40s-is-stabbed-in-front-of-shocked-shoppers/
  
  Stabbed in broad daylight in front of dozens of people. Sadiq Khan’s shit hole London.
  
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  July 17, 2018 12:00pm
Manolo

Pelosi’s theory:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/16/nancy-pelosi-russia-has-something-trump-explains-h/
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July 17, 2018 12:23pm
- Morrissey
  
  Nancy Pelosi and the other Russia-fantasizing “leaders” of the Democratic Party are ensuring that Trump will win with an increased majority in 2020.
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:04pm
UpandComer

https://cdn.idka.com/26860ea3-b8f2-47ac-9e80-2a4c8adc6289

Here is why the media think it’s wrong to visit Russia like it’s a country and sheit.
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July 17, 2018 12:26pm
- realityczech
  
  Trump and Putin haters are a self selecting group of the most vile and ignorant representations of humanity. I treat them with the contempt and disgust they have earned.
  
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  July 17, 2018 12:28pm
waripori

I presume this is sarcasm. Otherwise you are saying that Trump and Putin are on the same side which seems like an odd way to make America great again.

Poor old Trumpy just does not seem to have the cojones to stand up to anyone in person. All he had to say was something along the lines of ” investigations into the 2016 election are continuing and we will get to the bottom of events soon. In the meantime I have raised the issue with President Putin” He could not even bring himself to do that while Putin was on the stage with him.
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July 17, 2018 12:51pm
- marcw
  
  So all those reports of Trump criticising May, EU and NATO leaders face to face were just “fake news” waripori?
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:02pm
  - waripori
    
    What did he say to May. He seemed keen to criticise her to Journalists and then deny it despite being on tape.
    
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    July 17, 2018 1:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Your contradictions indicate you’re confused.
      Why don’t you try and find out for yourself.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=abC5TlMWhTw
      
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      July 17, 2018 2:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It was ‘fake news’ after two days. In an interview with the Sun, for chrissake.
      
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      July 17, 2018 2:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The Sun edited his comment by truncating it.
        But yeah, wtf is he doing an interview with The Sun!
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:09pm
- UpandComer
  
  They are on the same side. But not in the sense stated by the media. Russia didn’t impact the US election in any way, shape, or form. There was no collusion. There was almost comical levels of collusion from the Clinton Foundation. Which took money from every possible source like China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Dubai, Qatar, and of course, Russia, including overseas in cash-for-favours corruption – see Clinton Cash by Peter Schweizer. The Clintons gave up one third of America’s strategic uranium supplies to Russia. They fed military secrets to Skolkovo Valley. They took money from the Oligarchs to undermine Putin.
  
  Here’s a lesson from Saul Alinksky – always accuse your enemy of what you are doing.
  
  That’s how you understand the Lugenpresse.
  
  The Neo-cons in the United States are Neo-Trotskyites.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWwKdejZLfE&pbjreload=10
  
  See this? This is what Disney used to produce before it got appropriated by the Eisners. Beautiful Russia, raped by the Jews.
  
  Russia was always meant to be in alliance with the United States. They shared a Christian outlook. The ancient capitals of the Eastern Orthodox Church were to match the New Jerusalem in the new American colonies. Tsar Nicholas 2nd loved America – he and his father sought to model Russia on the Americans as much as was conceivable given the strictures of the Orthodox church. They were taking what they could from the French, the English to a lesser extent, the Prussians.
  
  Instead, he, his entire family, and 50million Russian Christians were murdered by the revolution inflicted on Russia by the alien foreign Khazarian Bolsheviks who were Jews, who proceeded to pillage and terrorise Russia, until Stalin wanting communism in one country instead of the neo-con Trotsky international revolution liquidated the internationalists. They became victims of their own revolution. Not all, but some. But they deserved their punishment. They pillaged Russia some more and killed many more people after Yeltsin when they besmirched capitalism via the Oligarchs. The same people besmirched capitalism during the great recession of 2008. Now I’m told by these people to hate Russia. Fuck them.
  
  Russia could have been truly immeasurably great. It was subjected to barbarism by the barbarians out of Khazaria, who now reside in Israel and treat the Mizrahi and Sephardi, the true semites, like third class citizens in their own country. While they machine gun women and children on their borders and demand we open ours to the same people etcetera. Only the tragedy of Ireland, still playing out, exceeds the tragedy of Russia.
  
  I’d stand next to Russia and Russians any day. Russians, unlike Ashekenzi, don’t spit on every church when they think no one is looking, or quietly try and destroy the church and protect themselves. They aren’t vile hypocrites.
  
  I’ve been so fascinated by these ancient and esteemed people killing speech all across the West and recently in Australia. Particularly when I couldn’t believe my eyes and they Tommy Robinsoned Australia. I’ve got myself a full English version of the Talmud now. All 36 books. Apparently I’m not meant to possess such knowledge. Oh well. So far it’s trash. But I’m sure I’ll find something that isn’t depraved solipsistic immorality at some point.
  
  Oh and I’m making my way through the Kabala. Climbing the magical serpent through the various sefiroth deities – I’m at Malketh for now. So these Baal worshipping pagan Judeo-Islamists think they’re magicians.
  
  The European Union are the new Soviet Union. It was only by a tiny margin that the EU Commission didn’t succeed in effectively destroying the internet with link taxes and mandatory upload filters via Article 11 and Article 13. They will crush freedom and destroy nations if only to maintain their power on the popular consciousness and to turn Europe into a Caliphate. Why should they care. They have no children.
  
  The EU is simply new Babel.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpXYlvvXYAAUWle.jpg
  
  Just because you’re ignorant of your spiritual history and theology – your elites aren’t.
  
  Europe is the New Babel – the most evil conceivable project that exists – the spiritual manifestation of the Trotsky world revolution. A one world government that would be ruled over by the most socio-pathic individuals in the world. The One Ring.
  
  If you think I’m nuts, that’s because you’re ignorant, and that’s not my problem. Your ignorance is not my problem. And that’s fine.
  
  But I hope the EU falls like the House of the Tsars. I hope the depraved pedophiles in charge hang in the capitals of Europe. And I hope order is restored as it was always meant to be before it was hijacked.
  
  The K selected men all died in the wars, but we can restore their world, not the world of the Macrons and the bankers.
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So, Jews are bad?
    
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    July 17, 2018 2:56pm
    - UpandComer
      
      No, our esteemed host. My fav Prime Minister. Israel Shahak. Ron Unz. Mark Levin. Stephen Miller. Daniel Horowitz. Hans Zimmerman. Bill Evans the Banjo prodigy from Berkeley. Stefan Molyneaux. Lauren Simonsen/Southern. Ah yes – Lauren Southern. I wonder if Goff would have dared to say ‘she doesn’t represent our values’ if he knew Lauren is Lauren Simonsen. Same with Marquess.
      
      My verson of Russian history is correct. I view anyone opposing the re-formation of the Russo-American alliance as either a fool, if out of ignorance. Or an enemy if by calculated opposition to a very good thing for billions of people. The most shameful thing is that many good earnest people in Israel are smeared by the actions of their diaspora channelling Trotsky, and John Burnham, Frank Wisner and Sidney Hook and now Chuck Schumer et al.
      
      Here is a good example of Vic Alhadeef in action:
      Vic and the Jewish deputies and their vast network of NGO’s and interested parties poured massive money and manpower and resources into the gay marriage plebiscite. Their children, the trust fund babies, who don’t have to work and spend all day agitating for ‘diversity’ and ‘equity’ and ‘replacement migration’ and for Chinese communism in Australia.
      So what does he then do.
      https://www.nswjbd.org/Resolution-on-same-sex-marriage/default.aspx
      He demands an absolutely strict uncompromising religious freedom exception for Rabbis. And only Rabbis. Only for his community.
      
      At the same time his cabal demand that the confessional seal be broken because of the Royal Commission into Child Sexual abuse – which excluded his community from the terms of reference when the prevalence of abuse is just as high. If not higher.
      
      So if you think about it, he’s betraying everyone at the same time. Because LGBTQI just love religious freedom exceptions. Don’t they.
      
      He also supports counsels, universities and bodies denying funding, simply outright, to Christian groups that don’t support pedophilia and the transgenderisation of children.
      https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/council-scrutiny-for-churches-on-rainbow-flag-dissent/news-story/cc6c197c35f34a97b785fdc05799401b
      
      They’re creating blacklists now of individuals and groups all across Australia – and now these NSW laws which will spread to every state will put the vicious threat/force of three years imprisonment behind it.
      
      This after he has supported imprisoning young girls hugging women and giving them fliers within 150m of an abortion clinic, and then outlawed true statements that don’t change anyone’s mind about race, religion, gender, intersex status, sexual orientation and AIDS. So you go to prison if you’re in the gay community and try to warn people about a member with AIDS effectively committing conspiracy to commit murder.
      
      And his body have supported the academics preventing western civilization studies at USYD while they teach cultural Marxism and do everything they can to facilitate Chinese espionage and IP theft in Australia.
      
      So he and his governing body are trying to destroy my church and destroy my nation, and hurt the kiwi diaspora in Australia for whom this is all completely irrelevant ferment, but which affects them enormously.
      
      I don’t like that. That’s not good. I don’t like that at all. I wish he’d stop doing it. So I’m going to read my Talmud and my Kabala and my Jewish histories and really immerse to discover why it is that this is happening in Australia. All he has to do is have the law repealed and write an open letter of apology to Australia and New Zealand.
      
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      July 17, 2018 3:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ok, I get it now. Please get back to me when you have finished your Talmudic studies with a fuller list of the ‘good’ Jews.
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:52pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Why are your responses always so pathetic and empty. Yeah I will.
      
      Because New Zealanders think that they’re dealing with the religion of Moses and Abraham. They aren’t.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyOTFQFWQ0
      
      See this?
      
      It’s a good animated exemplar.
      
      The Kabala is the Egyptian Sorcerors seeking to embarrass Moses before the court of the Pharoah. Anubis, Ra, Nefti, Nakbet, Sakmet, Sokar, Salket, Reshpul, Anukis – these are all deities that can manifest from the Kabala.
      
      Judeo Christianity doesn’t exist. At best you have Judeo-Islamism.
      
      NZ needs to understand this – we’re the last free speech zone in the world. Literally. We are the last country without a speech regime. A vicious speech regime. That stops people even citing the vicious speech regime.
      
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      July 17, 2018 3:59pm
Poppa

So it has started as we all thought it would……a certain fisherman giving parenting advice.

I didn’t read it by the way, just saw the headline, so anyone with a stronger stomach than mine may like to report back on the wisdom he is espousing

I guess we will be getting daily reports from now on, I knew they couldn’t keep quiet for long
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July 17, 2018 12:59pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, hasn’t it been great?
  Not much attention seeking from Jacinda, Clarkey or baby.
  Get ready now for the careful drip feeding of cutesy details and photos as Ms Ardern and her minders seek to reinstate her into the limelight.
  We can’t have the new mother getting anxious about her true exalted status as Prime Minister.
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:15pm
GoVege

Dave, there’s nothing “unkind” about Odakyu-sen’s post.
I am sick of seeing immigrants risking and losing their lives totally unnecessarily through ignoring simple safety measures.
They go out on boats without lifejackets (but often with a few crates of beer. )
They ignore warning signs at dangerous beaches and lakes (though there need to be more signs.)
If it weren’t for substantial fines, believe me they would never bother to wear their seat belts.
A lot of it is the “God will look after us” attitude.
Immigrants are over-represented in our accident and drowning stats.
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July 17, 2018 1:07pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Here are some factors that MAY place immigrants at risk in NZ.
  – A “she’ll be right” attitude that is even stronger than the Kiwi one of a generation ago
  – A lack of knowledge of local conditions
  – No friends who possess “knowledge of local conditions”
  – A lack of English skills to Google the “knowledge of local conditions”
  – Lack of a sense of urgency to acquire the skills needed to find out about “knowledge of local conditions” all by themselves (i.e., going and watching what the locals do or contacting fishing clubs and asking their members directly)
  – Low cognitive intelligence (inability to ask themselves what could go wrong) and inability to formulate likely risk scenarios
  – Cultural conditioning not to question the decision of the group leader
  – The assumption that conditions in NZ are identical to those in their own country (dry sand in Dubai is not the same as black iron sand on the West Coast)
  – A culture in which normative behavior is extremely prescribed (once they get to NZ, they feel that they are no longer being watched by their peers, neighbors or community watchdogs, and that they are “free” to do anything they want)
  
  Can you think of other factors to add to this short list?
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:29pm
  - GoVege
    
    I don’t think a lack of intelligence is involved.
    You’re right about the cultural conditioning.
    People from non western cultures are taught blind obedience and not to think independently.
    That’s why virtually all of them follow the religion they were born into.
    Religion is the #1 priority.
    Everything else comes a distant second.
    E.g. One Pacific country has more churches than any other nation.
    But no social welfare, proper prisons, access to contraception, decent hospitals, health and safety education, and very little family violence support.
    Pity, as they are generally lovely people.
    
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    July 17, 2018 1:55pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Out of curiosity, which Pacific country ‘has more churches than any other nation’?
      
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      July 17, 2018 2:57pm
      - GoVege
        
        Hi Milky.
        Samoa.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Samoa”
        
        Yeah but the capital is Auckland.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There are more churches in Samoa than, say, Italy?
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:55pm
      - GoVege
        
        Hard to believe isn’t it, but yes.
        Apparently Samoa has more churches per person than Italy.
        Of course the Samoans take their religion far more seriously than Italians.
        You are a disgrace to your family/ village if you don’t attend church on Sunday.
        Also, Samoa has recently declared itself a “Christian nation”.
        Incidentally, most Italians practise contraception regardless of what the Pope says.
        In Samoa, I hear it’s very difficult to obtain contraception at all.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:40pm
  - MCos
    
    It’s an interesting thing.
    Tourists from this country, the UK, the US, etc go to places like Phuket and Pattaya, hire motorbikes and buzz around without crash helmets, and in some cases insurance, as if they’re bulletproof.
    The Thai roads are the most dangerous in the world, particularly for motorcyclists.
    
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    July 17, 2018 3:53pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I have some great memories of motorcycling in Phuket in the last century.
      I didn’t wear a helmet so I was extremely careful. Nevertheless, in the late afternoon sun, the top of my forehead (exposed as my hair was blown back) got sunburned. (I had a red racing stripe!)
      Another time, I stopped to help another motorcycling tourist who thought that they had run out of gas. I showed them how to switch the gas tap over to the “reserve” setting. After that, they could start their motorbike.
      
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      July 17, 2018 4:47pm
      - starboard
        
        I got pinged a thousand baht the other day.. Check point at Karon Beach ?
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:42pm
- DigNap15
  
  Every second person rescued on that Piha Beach program is from the sub continent.
  
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  July 17, 2018 7:18pm
Morrissey

Precision Nazism II

More from the site of the world-famous scholar Norman Finkelstein….

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/16/precision-nazism-ii/
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July 17, 2018 1:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  In this day and age I shan’t be bothering to read a link to anything described as Nazi, except in the historical context, as it is guaranteed to be nothing more than histrionic hyperventilating by an unbalanced regressive leftist.
  
  Has anyone seen the word “Nazi” used to accurately describe a person (Other than EAD) in the last 5 years? Uptick for No, Downtick for yes.
  
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  July 17, 2018 1:56pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Fool, you can choose to stay ignorant, or you can read something by Norman Finkelstein, who unlike you knows a great deal about Nazism. His parents were both survivors of Majdanek.
    
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    July 17, 2018 2:02pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I tend to agree with you about ‘Nazi’ – Godwin’s Law and all that.
    I also agreed about EAdolf, the self-described ‘modern national socialist’. Would it be okay to extend the term ‘Nazi’ to those who endorse his screeds of Jewish world conspiracy stuff? Seems to me that is the essence of Nazism.
    
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    July 17, 2018 3:00pm
    - UpandComer
      
      If you point out that free speech ended in Australia because of the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies does that make one a Nazi? Because that totally, actually happened.
      
      https://www.unz.com/runz/
      
      Is Ron Unz, a Jewish Harvard alumna a Nazi? Have you read his latest column? It seems to fit a bit of an agenda. Please, write to his Jewish family and tell them they’re Nazis. Just prepare a massive fund for when he sues you into absolute oblivion.
      
      Was Israel Shahak a Nazi? He wrote a book that seems to coincide with my own foray into the Kabala. I didn’t know the Orothodox worshipped Satan. But they do. I didn’t realise it’s a pagan relgion worshipping deities like Moloch and Remphan and the emnations of Tifereth and Hod. I thought it was Judeo-Christian.
      
      Is Mark Levin a Nazi? He opposes the John Burnham Israel first deep state. He’s Jewish too. He’ll sue you into oblivion as well.
      
      Is Daniel Horowitz a Nazi? He often calls out his community for promoting replacement Hispanic migration into the United States. I’d be even more careful about smearing him. Because he’s the most brilliant jurist I’ve ever heard.
      
      Is DPF a Nazi? Because he allows people like me to post comments critical of Vic Alhadeef and other Jews who he might not agree with around the world?
      
      I wouldn’t call people Nazis. I always post evidence in my comments.
      
      ‘Nazi’ in Australia now apparently means someone who tries to warn their friend their sexual partner might have AIDS.
      
      I’d be leery of using that term. We are never, ever, ever going to allow people to use that term to destroy people and send them to prison in NZ, unlike Australia.
      
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      July 17, 2018 3:51pm
Jack5

For those who think China is no longer communist …

Booming in China’s tourism industry: “cosplay” tours, where tourists dress in the uniforms of the Red Army in Mao’s early and tour party historic spots.

Chinese Catholics and Macau casino workers have been among the Red Army “cosplay” tourists.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2155283/chinas-red-education-history-tours-and-rise-communist
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July 17, 2018 1:48pm
noskire

My wife passed away on Sunday, peacefully, but just aged 39. Make every moment count, and don’t take life for granted.
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July 17, 2018 1:57pm
- mandk
  
  Really sorry to hear that, noskire.
  
  You don’t need platitudes from me, but I hope you have plenty of friends and family around you.
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:32pm
  - noskire
    
    Thanks mate.
    
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    July 17, 2018 2:47pm
- Poppa
  
  I hope you are coping mate, that is far too young
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:46pm
  - noskire
    
    Thanks Poppa. It was from an auto-immune disease of the liver. It’s hard to watch someone when all the organs progressively fail – such is life.
    
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    July 17, 2018 2:52pm
    - Harriet
      
      I’m very sorry to read that Noskire.
      My wife passed away at home a year ago next month after a long illness also. I’m not trying to give you advice or anything but an ex-copper mate I saw on the day, and then a couple of days later asked how I was going, I replied “I’m going o.k”, he then replied, “well keep going”. Over the last year that has made a lot of sense and been helpful to me. It takes time. Take care mate.
      
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      July 17, 2018 3:53pm
    - GoVege
      
      So sorry to hear that, noskire, and Harriet.
      Hope you both have plenty of support.
      Keep us posted on how you’re going.
      
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      July 17, 2018 7:54pm
- RF
  
  Sorry to hear that…. ‘thoughts are with you and family for your sad loss.
  
  Too young…..
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sorry to read that, noskire. Take care.
  
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  July 17, 2018 3:02pm
  - 4077th
    
    WTF is with the downticks? FFS some people are just moronic. Milky may be a royal pain but at least he has the balls to stay here and bat for his side.
    
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    July 17, 2018 5:55pm
    - GoVege
      
      Milky’s OK.
      Even when he calls me “a racist arsehole”. 🙂 🙂
      
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      July 17, 2018 7:56pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I appreciate that. But there are a fair number of people who will downtick particular commenters no matter what they say – and that’s just part of the game.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:04pm
- Longknives
  
  Sorry to hear about your loss noskire- Hope you are doing okay…
  Damn right too mate- Don’t take life for granted!!
  
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  July 17, 2018 3:17pm
- lofty
  
  My sincere condolences noskire, and message received.
  
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  July 17, 2018 3:35pm
- starboard
  
  Geez that’s terrible, my sincere condolences to you also.
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh that’s terribly sad. My sincere condolences.
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:11pm
- waikatogirl
  
  That’s awful noskire. She was far too young.
  Condolences.
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:18pm
- 4077th
  
  None of the BS we spout here matters, family matters and is the only thing that matters. My sincere condolences to you Sir.
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:52pm
- dime
  
  very sorry to hear that noskire. that is very unfair. take care
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:57pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Happier days will come.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:22pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Noskire that’s cruel.
  So very sorry for your loss.
  My precious person died 10 years ago, so I can tell you it gets easier to bear, but right now that will seem impossible to you.
  Please be kind to yourself and allow your grief to take its course – one day at a time.
  Take care
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:59pm
All_on_Red

Transcript of the Trump/Putin meeting.
Love the part where Putin offers Mueller access to the Russians he indicted.
Putin;
“Now, let’s get back to the issue of this 12 alleged intelligence officers of Russia. I don’t know the full extent of the situation. But President Trump mentioned this issue. I will look into it.

So far, I can say the following. Things that are off the top of my head. We have an existing agreement between the United States of America and the Russian Federation, an existing treaty that dates back to 1999. The mutual assistance on criminal cases. This treaty is in full effect. It works quite efficiently. On average, we initiate about 100, 150 criminal cases upon request from foreign states.

For instance, the last year, there was one extradition case upon the request sent by the United States. This treaty has specific legal procedures we can offer. The appropriate commission headed by Special Attorney Mueller, he can use this treaty as a solid foundation and send a formal, official request to us so that we could interrogate, hold questioning of these individuals who he believes are privy to some crimes. Our enforcement are perfectly able to do this questioning and send the appropriate materials to the United States. Moreover, we can meet you halfway. We can make another step. We can actually permit representatives of the United States, including the members of this very commission headed by Mr. Mueller, we can let them into the country. They can be present at questioning.”
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July 17, 2018 2:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Trump at the start addresses Russian meddling
  ” Nothing would be easier politically than to refuse to meet, to refuse to engage. But that would not accomplish anything.
  As president, I cannot make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics or the media or Democrats who want to do nothing but resist and obstruct. Constructive dialogue between the United States and Russia forwards the opportunity to open new pathways toward peace and stability in our world. I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. As president, I will always put what is best for America and what is best for the American people.
  
  During today’s meeting, I addressed directly with President Putin the issue of Russian interference in our elections. I felt this was a message best delivered in person. Spent a great deal of time talking about it. President Putin may very well want to address it and very strongly, because he feels very strongly about it. And he has an interesting idea.”
  
  Full transcript here
  https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576956/transcript-putin-trump-russia-helsinki-press-conference
  
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  July 17, 2018 2:14pm
Johnboy

Now I know the world is going crazy. Espiner asks Winston what he thinks of Trumpies comments on Putin:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105532559/winston-peters-trumps-russia-comments-are-horribly-confusing
Read this bit again…”winston-peters-trumps-russia-comments-are-horribly-confusing” 🙂
Is it just me that can see the dreadful irony in stupid Winstons comments? 🙂
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July 17, 2018 2:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  As if anything Winston Peters ever says is not confusing?
  But I laughed out loud at his wriggling. Even Peters knows that Western countries are in a tricky position between supporting their allies but not wanting to appear to be cosying up to Trump’s favourite dictators.
  
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  July 17, 2018 3:15pm
  - Jack5
    
    NZ is on a tightrope above the whirlpools of China on one side, and the rocks of the United States on the other side.
    
    In this predicament, it’s smart to have indecipherable views.
    
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    July 17, 2018 3:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Indecipherable is a good descriptor for almost anything Winston Peters says.
      
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      July 17, 2018 3:46pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’m almost beginning to sense a shift towards Winston here Milkey!
        Just as well sensible chaps like you and me can pick a waffling charlatan when we spot one eh? 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2018 3:58pm
Happychappy

Winston must have got another bad poll for NZ First so Tracey Martin is now trying to butter up Seniors in NZ with her new found belief that she could use some of Shanes one billion dollar province’s fund to build new house’s in Nelson for Seniors. Looks like Winston needs his support base back.
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July 17, 2018 4:05pm
Johnboy

I’m beginning to suspect that after the 2017 shock choice and more than two years out from the 2020 election right leaning folk are starting to groom Winstons giant ego! 🙂
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July 17, 2018 4:10pm
Monique Watson

I can’t believe I made it anywhere creatively, though, because I was raised by two loving and supportive parents.
Nothing squashes creativity more than unconditional love and support from a functional household.
If you have kids,be kind and sh*t on their dreams a little bit.
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July 17, 2018 4:13pm
Fletch

Russian expert Stephen Cohen says Trump is doing the right thing with Putin, and he has never seen the like of the disgusting reaction by the media, Democrats, and some Republicans.

https://www.facebook.com/TuckerCarlsonTonight/videos/685203315148324/
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July 17, 2018 4:34pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘Blinded by the right
  Revved up like a deuce
  Another runner from the right’
  
  So acts the US socialist media, absolutely stunned and filled with hatred for Trump. Fox has clips from other channels and boy they come across as paranoid, especially that tanking CNN.
  Clinton emails?…shhhhhhh.
  
  Even Obama said in 2014 that Russia then, and in the future, couldn’t affect US elections.
  
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  July 17, 2018 4:46pm
- Fletch
  
  Partial transcription –
  
  “[The reaction by] most of the media, by the democrats, by the anti-Trump people is like mob violence. I’ve never seen anything like it in my life. This is the President of the United States, doing what every president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt did in 1943 with Stalin – meeting with the head of the Kremlin. And every president since Eisenhower has met with the leader of the Kremlin for one existential purpose: to avoid war between the two nuclear superpowers. Today, in my considered, scholarly, longtime judgement relations between the United States and Russia are more dangerous than they have EVER – let me repeat – EVER been, including the Cuban missile crisis.
  
  I want my president – and I didn’t vote for this president – to do what every other president has done: sit with the head of the other nuclear Superpower and walk back the conflicts that could lead to war, whether they be in Syria, Ukraine, in the Baltic nations, in these accusations of cyber attacks – every president has been encouraged to do that and been applauded by both parties. Not Trump. Look what they did to him today. They held a kangaroo court. They found him guilty. Then you had the former head of the United States CIA, who himself ought to be put under oath and asked about his role in inventing Russia-gate, calling the President of the United States treasonous?! What have we come to in this country?”
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No one is saying that the US president should never meet his Russian counterpart. Commentators are simply astounded at Trump’s craven deference to Putin and his willingness to openly prefer the word of a Russian dictator over the collective judgement of his own intelligence agencies and the clear bipartisan majority of Congress.
    
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    July 17, 2018 6:30pm
    - fernglas
      
      And those commentators include many of the Fox cheerleaders who previously supported his every move, with the notable exception of Hannity.
      I agree that Russia and USA should have good relations, but I note that Russia is the long time US bogeyman and suggest that Trump’s apparent acceptance of Putin’s assurances over the findings of his own intelligence agencies risks alienating not just the old school GOP but also his “deplorables”.
      Trump tweeted
      “As I said today and many times before, “I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people.”
      
      Is he drawing a distinction between agencies who provide conclusions he likes as opposed to those who don’t?
      We shall see
      
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      July 17, 2018 6:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Has any of the intelligence agencies actually examined the DNC Server?
        My understanding ( and I could be wrong) is that they haven’t and that they have relied on the report prepared by a company called Crowdstrike
        A company which has links to people in Ukraine.
        Assange has said that all the software used was widely available. In fact the ‘hackers’ got access through spearfishing computer hacking which is an email spoofing type hack.
        Pretty common method.
        I suspect there’s more to come out on this. They tried the GOP site too.
        In her recent book ex DNC chair Donna Brazile admits the FBI warned them they were loose with their security and she ignored them.
        Even Obama poo poohed it. Mind you, he interfered heavily in the Israeli Election and even the Brexit vote!
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Gee, it’s lucky we have you to hold those misguided FBI agents and CIA officers to account.
        No collusion! Shout it three times out loud and it will start to feel real. Then we can get back to the real business of investigating the emails, Benghazi and Whitewater.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well.
        Has any of the US intelligence agencies looked at the DNC Server?
        Link?
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think Space Force is getting right on to it, and if they can’t sort it out, maybe Trump can take up that very generous offer of Vlad’s to lend some Russian specialists to help the investigation.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:15pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Btw I think odds are, the Russians did meddle. Doesn’t matter anyway as I doubt it influenced the Election.
        Even though the hack exposed DNC corruption.
        But I’m curious why the DNC Server hasn’t been examined.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Doesn’t matter, huh? And now that the US President tells everyone he believes the Russians, maybe Vlad will have another go. Apparently, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. I can’t imagine he’s content just having Trump in his pocket.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You think releasing info about the DNC won the Election for Trump?
        Next you’ll be telling us $146,000 spent on Facebook advertising did
        You guys are nuts. And ignorant.
        But hey Putins got something on Trump!
        And say COLLUSION three times and it will suddenly appear!
        Bwhahahahahahahaha
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:32pm
    - KevinH
      
      Astonded is the word Mikey, looking at the body language speaks volumes. Putin has got something on Trump, something big enough to bring down the Trump empire and the Presidency.
      More’s the pity to observe Trump groveling to Putin, someone out there, a deep throat, should squawk and put Trump out of his misery.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:14pm
starboard

The good news just keeps flowing..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105546659/trio-of-hamilton-homicides-linked-to-gangs
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July 17, 2018 5:01pm
Nostradamus

Sudanese gangs a ‘real concern’ in Melbourne, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has weighed into the issue of violent crime in Victoria, saying you would “have to be walking around with your hands over your ears” not to hear the “real concerns” about Sudanese gangs in Melbourne.

Oh dear. The PC do-gooders won’t approve of this at all!

Victoria’s Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commissioner Kristen Hilton on Monday said racially-divisive statements about the African-Australian community had contributed to a 34 per cent increase in the number of reports of racial discrimination over the past financial year.
“Earlier this year … there was a lot of reporting around the African gang crisis and we experienced our biggest spike in complaints that we have ever had in relation to race discrimination directly after that period,” she said.

Wow. So we have “the African gang crisis” but, apparently, we’re not supposed to discuss it.

If someone says that Sudanese gangs commit a lot of crime in Melbourne, and it’s backed up by crime statistics, then that’s not “race discrimination” – no matter how much the PC do-gooders want it to be.
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July 17, 2018 5:03pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  This is giving discrimination a bad name.
  Every time you make a choice of your own free will, you discriminate.
  I think “racial discrimination” is being confused with “racial prejudice” or “racial bigotry.”
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:08pm
- Johnboy
  
  I knew we now had “African-Americans” cause Negro is non pop speak but I never realised we also had “African-Australians” till now! 🙂
  No matter how old you get you can learn something new every day eh! 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:26pm
- dime
  
  Average IQ in the Sudan – 71.
  
  That means a good deal of them are too dumb to be trained to do much of anything.
  
  Good luck fixing that problem melbourne.
  
  course, if you ask nicely, chompers will take em. not at her 2 million dollar house though. somewhere far away like henderson would be a good fit.
  
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  July 17, 2018 6:00pm
  - Johnboy
    
    You just wait till Merkels new “Sudanantroopers” start marching through Europe before you condemn them as useless dime! 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2018 6:10pm
  - GoVege
    
    That’s nonsense, dime.
    Anybody living in a part of the world as poor and deprived as the Sudan would be doing well to score 71 on an IQ test.
    In any case most successful business people are below average IQ.
    It’s not how much you got….it’s how you use it.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:17pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Lets see your data on that, because it is quite clear that most successful business people are far above average IQ.
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:11pm
      - GoVege
        
        B/S UN.
        I was told this by a top paediatrician I later saw on the telly.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        I was told otherwise by a disgraced gynaecologist I saw in the pub later.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:15pm
- DigNap15
  
  No its a diversity crime wave.
  What possible use are Sudanese people to Australia, or anywhere in the west?
  Send them all back home
  
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  July 17, 2018 7:15pm
- GoVege
  
  Yeah….but if you read on you’ll see that you are 25 TIMES more likely to be seriously assaulted by an Ozzie….or Kiwi….than an African! 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:26pm
  - realityczech
    
    Move to South Africa or the Sudan then Vege. You will be much safer there dear.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:29pm
    - GoVege
      
      But I’d miss YOU Rally dear…. 🙂
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:42pm
mandk

You have to wonder at the mentality of the person who down-ticked noskire’s very sad news above.

I don’t think it was simply a case of fat fingers because every single comment in response was also down-ticked.

Be very ashamed, whoever you are.
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July 17, 2018 5:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh shit, there’s the low-life prick again.
  
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  July 17, 2018 5:16pm
  - GoVege
    
    Bet you it’s Rallycheek!
    He’s a moody dude coz he can never get a date for Saturday night. 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think Realityczech wastes her time here downticking folks.
      
      She’s more direct with her comments.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:12pm
      - GoVege
        
        S/he does both, Maggy. 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        Vege, not guilty you hysterical harridan. I could not even see the comment he referred to.
        
        I will go have another look and consider a downtick.
        
        For the record, I do follow the accepted protocol of downticking stupidboy at all times 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        Found it. What a wanker. Not my style.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:35pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Does DPF know who downticks? If so I think the person needs a lesson on how to be a human. Even if Stephieboy, Morrisey or Ztev posted a personal note like that I would not downtick or reply negatively to it. To the downticker, you lowlife piece of vermin shit, fuck off somewhere lonely, miserable and putrid.
  
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  July 17, 2018 10:23pm
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12089992

The answer to this question is fucking obvious.
The Government doesn’t get protested unless National is in power.
Protesters are unemployable lefty gits.
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July 17, 2018 5:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Didn’t the Green Party protest?
  
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  July 17, 2018 6:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you read the article, mikenmildagain?
    
    The Green Party has put forward some token objections to the purchase, and have then gone quiet on the issue. Commentators say they can be expected to “swallow the dead rat” for fear of destabilising their own government. Certainly don’t expect the Greens to organise protest marches over the issue.
    
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    July 17, 2018 6:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      They protested enough to attract scorn here…
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:14pm
EAD_TWO

Want a real history lesson?

Ignore all the propoganda – this Twitter thread brlliantly outlines the forbidden history on Nazi Germany that those in charge don’t want you to know:

https://twitter.com/BasedAndBritish/status/1018828653457702912

I advise bookmarking it for future reference.
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July 17, 2018 6:05pm
- Johnboy
  
  We’d have to have an attention span longer than 10 seconds though READ_TWO! 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2018 6:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Not very forbidden if it’s on Twitter ya reckon, JB?
    
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    July 17, 2018 6:25pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  EAD… Next you will be telling me its a bit suspicious that its still illegal to question some of the allies official narrative on the war which is now taught in their schools.
  
  Or that the german salutes origin is the bellamy salute where all children in the federal socialised school systems from the age of 5 had to salute the flag every day and pledge allegiance to the state.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
  
  Or that the US conducted forced steralization of the ‘unfit’ until the mid 20s, infact in the mid 30s 2/3rds of americans supported the compulsary sterialization of the ‘unfit’ and ‘criminals’. And that black people were steralized against their will in some instances. Of course Segregation continued into the 60s.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Unfit_vs._fit_individuals
  
  And around the 20s you had the KKK as well, and then after that you had cointelrpo, and various other great programs aimed specifically on racial lines. There was only like 9 million members so completely inconsequential.
  
  Then after Eisenhower defeated europe in WW2 and striped all the former powers of their colonies and put brutal dictators in office, he ran for office in the us and started co-intelpro in the US. Which amongst other things was targeted specifically at black people. He also supprted apartheid in south africa..
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
  
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  July 17, 2018 6:38pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  It’s more the “ignored” rather than the “forbidden” history of Nazi Germany, and it’s ignored because the Nazis’ self-serving version of that history is a steaming crock of shit.
  
  I advise bookmarking it only if you have an academic interest in just how un-subtle Nazi propaganda was.
  
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  July 17, 2018 6:40pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    What part is incorrect Pschyo?
    
    In just 3 years, Hitler had transformed Germany in to the powerhouse of Europe and cleansed the degenerate nature of the Weimar Republic, which was no more (how we could do with someone like that right now!)
    
    The German people were the happiest in Europe and by 1938, Hitler’s approval rating hovered at around 90%.
    
    Seeing the success of National Socialism in Germany, “Fascist” gained a real foothold in other countries as they wanted to attempt to emulate this same model of national revival.
    
    This is the reason Nazi Germany had to be destroyed and her name vilified for all eternity so that we can now enjoy the poisonous fruits of the Frankfurt School (which Hitler forced to flee Germany)
    
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/marxism-didnt-die-its-alive-and-well-and-living-among-us/
    
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    July 17, 2018 6:49pm
    - realityczech
      
      Hitler was a fantastic leader who saved Germany. Only later did he lead them on a path to destruction. Taking on Russia and the rest of Europe was of course a mistake. As was his handling of some cultural groups hostile to Germany. They could have been dealt with more efficiently.
      
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      July 17, 2018 6:58pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes he should not have have targeted the Jews. Most were loyal Germans, and they had wealth and skills.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:13pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        @ Dignap,
        
        You are correct that most Jews were loyal German citizens – 150,000 served in the Whermacht for a starter.
        
        When it comes to Jews that were expelled or left the Reich – did they leave because they were Jews or because they were Communists first and foremost?
        
        For example, did the Communists of the Frankfurt School flee to America in 1933 because they were Communists or because they were Jews?
        
        https://forward.com/culture/211598/deconstructing-the-jewishness-of-the-frankfurt-sch/
        
        What about “Britain’s most notorious Marxist” Ralph Milliband? Did he flee because he was a commie of b/c he was a Jew?
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2435751/Red-Eds-pledge-bring-socialism-homage-Marxist-father-Ralph-Miliband-says-GEOFFREY-LEVY.html
        
        You see – history is much more nuanced than the victors would have you believe…
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes he could have had the Jews on his side and many Slavic peoples too. He should have seen that the Jews were GERMANS and had lived there a long time.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:31pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Well common now Realityczech, we know that it was France and the UK that declared war on Germany, not Germany declaring war on France and the UK, and at that point germany was so un-prepared and so unaware of such a plan by France and the UK to invade germany taht 90% of the soldiers from the border with France were busy helping the Russians invade Poland.
        
        And remember that although it was the Polish ‘issue’ that was the ‘Allies’ Justification for war, that Poland didn’t exist prior to Germany creating it after defeating the Russian Empire and splitting it into many ‘mini-russias’ in WW1, and that Russia had also invaded Poland with Germany, whereby they signed an agreement to undo the creation of poland and restore their respective borders to how they were prior to WW1.
        
        Yet the UK and France only declared war on Germany, not on the Soviet Union. Which means that they lied about their reasons for declaring war. The fact that they didn’t immediately invade also shows they shouldn’t have declared war because they didn’t think it through.
        
        The german forces were so severely depleted on the French Front that had France invaded with their 40 Divisions the day they declared war they would have been halfway through Germany before German soldiers turned around to repel the French Invaders.
        
        They probably could of forced Germany to sue for peace and avoided 60 million unecessary deaths.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        Holly Roggerz, A great comment with no propaganda. You clearly know your stuff. Very refreshing.
        
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        July 17, 2018 7:58pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Thank you Realityczech, here are some sources if you want
        
        https://mapcollection.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/europe-pre-worls-war-i/
        
        // Notice in this map Poland doesn’t exist, this was because the map was taken before Poland was Created in the aftermath of WW1
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_Poland_annexed_by_the_Soviet_Union
        
        oh and the agreement between Germany/Soviet Union to restore borders in Eastern Europe to their condition prior to ww1:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
        
        And the announcement of war on Germany for ‘invading poland’ by France/UK, no such announcement was made at any stage after that on the Soviet union. Even when they formally annexed half of Poland.
        
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/3/newsid_3493000/3493279.stm
        
        Notice how the war started 2 days after germany had invaded poland. All their troops were in poland, fighting the polish, the polish had an army almost as large germanies and although russia had agreed to invade simulatenously they lied and their troops were ‘delayed. As a result the Germans did nearly all of the fighting.
        
        If France had invaded at that point in time Germany would have been very hard done by, and likely would have surrendered.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:31pm
      - realityczech
        
        Holly, wow.
        
        To be honest I am not a into all that war stuff, though people keep giving me books to read about it. However am I also not into bullshit and so much of what we are told does not withstand critical scrutiny, or even make sense.
        
        If the stated purpose of the second world war was to free Europe from tyranny then it clearly failed. The USSR did far worse than anything Hilter intended and that only ended 20 odd years ago.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:21pm
  - realityczech
    
    No intelligent informed person believes the hysterical myths bigoted morons like you propagate about the Germans milt.
    
    Its a putrid mix of Soviet and zionist propaganda.
    
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    July 17, 2018 6:53pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well done, Kea. You have got EAdolf and his doppelganger discussing Nazi ‘history’ with you as if it were something more than racialist fantasies about the Jooooz.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:17pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Yeah well what you call ‘nazi history’ everyone else calls the ‘molotov ribbentrop pact’ where Germany and Russia agree to restore borders in eastern europe to the condition they were in prior to WW1.
        
        Its a real thing it happened. Check it out. IDK maybe read a history book someday before being such an unlearned biggot with the history you learned from hollywood movies.
        
        Spoilers movies are fictional pieces of art designed to generate money for the actors who star in them and the studios who make them, whilst the 100 year war depicted in the movie ‘Henry V’ a Depiction of one of Shakespares play may have indeed happened, the exact details as shown in the movie adaptation of the play paid for by an English King whom himself claimed to be ‘King of France’ might just perhaps, not be 100% accurate.
        
        Best not to base our world beliefs in hollywood fantasies eh? Some people also think that the Nationalist Socialist Deutsch Workers party was a ‘right-wing party’ shows how uneducated and ill-informed some people are about REAL HISTORY.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sigh. You really think people are going to be arsed separating the outright lies and half-truths from the scattered facts in the pesudohistories you gobble up from the interwebs?
        PRATT.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        You okay milky you seem a bit triggered !!! this evening?
        
        Is history not your thing? Maybe you can counter with some evidence of your own, or are you just happy gibbering about Nazis like an imbecile?
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:24pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Hey Milkmaid,
        
        of the Twitter monologue that I shared – what part is incorrect?
        
        Or are you going to keep shooting the messenger rather than explaining which part of the message is incorrect.
        
        I’ll be waiting but won’t hold my breath waiting for a reply ?
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’ve explained my approach before, EAdolf. Since you didn’t get it – here it is again: ‘modern’ national socialists like don’t get debated as though their distortions and outright lies need to be balanced against the normal historical methods.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        WTF was that load of drivel milky?
        
        Have you started drinking at work again? Labour HQ won’t be happy about that if they find out. Especially given your shonky work today.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:36pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    What part is incorrect Pschyo?
    
    “Incorrect?” Oh, Goebbels would be proud of you. When it comes to propaganda, very little is ever “incorrect.” This may be very un-subtle propaganda, but it’s still propaganda and the scam doesn’t consist of simply lying to people.
    
    I don’t have all night, so I’ll just cover a few of the tweets to highlight different aspects of the scam.
    
    1896: The New York Times is purchased by the German Jew Adolph Ochs.
    
    There’s a fair bit of this in the thread: insert something that’s completely irrelevant but will be interpreted by your intended readership in a way that suits your agenda. “The Jews! They’re controlling the media!”
    
    During World War 1, or “The Great War” as it is called, Kaiser Wilhelm is in a winning position, with no foreign troops on German soil. He makes multiple peace offers, all of which go ignored. It’s clear outside forces want the war to continue.
    
    Yeah, inside forces too. His own military wants the war to continue, with Hindenburg and Ludendorf increasingly sidelining him. That “winning position, with no foreign troops on German soil,” by the way, was about as “winning” a position as it was in 1943.
    
    1918: Germany surrenders after “the stab-in-the-back.” This occurred when Trade Unions go on strike depriving soldiers of supplies and weaponry. The press also prints defeatist, anti-war sentiment which lowered morale.
    
    This one actually is incorrect – you do have to sneak the occasional outright lie in there. The “Dolchstoss” was a Nazi propaganda lie – in reality Germany was completely fucked by 1918 and the military high command under Ludendorf were the only people pretending otherwise. Oh, and look who’s stabbing the poor German soldier in the back and duplicitously robbing him of the righteous victory he would totally have won otherwise despite the constraints of physical reality – it’s a Jew! Those damn Jews!
    
    There’s plenty more but I’ve had all the Nazi propaganda I can take for one day. You guys need to up your game, those Julius Streicher pieces won’t cut it these days.
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:39pm
    - realityczech
      
      Milt why go to that trouble rewriting history and making up fantastic stories when so many have done it for you?
      
      We all know what you are going to say. You have yet to come up with a single original or thoughtful comment. Just the same old tired anti-Germanic hate speech. A tired dull witted bigot.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:48pm
- realityczech
  
  “Want a real history lesson?”
  
  The ADL and other hate groups won’t like that thread much!
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:21pm
nasska

This should knock off a few religio-conservatives via hypertension. Some model has dared to use her udders for their intended purpose without shame or the use of a tent:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12090594

Civilisation may never recover!
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July 17, 2018 7:31pm
- realityczech
  
  Yawn. I am bored of these bimbos pulling publicity stunts like this. Ugly baby too.
  
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  July 17, 2018 7:34pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Ugly baby too”…..
    
    Yeah, but then again at least 50% of its genetic background wasn’t all that exciting to start with.
    
    It’s the sheer fun of baiting God’s little helpers that makes it all worthwhile! 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2018 7:39pm
    - realityczech
      
      When is Jeeeessus coming to take them all back nasska?
      
      After they have gone shall we have an arm wrestle over who owns Jerusalem? I want to set up a huge piggery there. Blooding hard to get a good feed of pig trotters and bacon in those parts.
      
      I will use the profits to turn Saudi Arabia in to a sex tourist destination brimming with whores.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:08pm
  - GoVege
    
    No baby is “ugly” you dork!
    And the idea is to promote breast-feeding.
    It says 800,000 babies die each year in poor countries because they aren’t breast-fed.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:10pm
    - realityczech
      
      Vege all babies are ugly. Nature has to pump your brain full of drugs to hide that simple fact. They are hideous screeching little narcissists.
      
      More poor people die from not being able to afford meat than from not breast feeding. Malnutrition from an entirely plant based diet kills millions.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:14pm
      - nasska
        
        Absolutely stuffs their IQ too RC. Animal based protein rules! 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:17pm
      - realityczech
        
        Indeed professor nasska. It is known that the damage done to the nervous system, including the brain, can be permanent. It can also cause someone to be a soppy mawkish drip.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        Some people like soppy, mawkish drips, RC.
        Sorry you only get to eat a packet of yuk beef noodles most nights.
        We vegequarians eat beautiful yummy delicately flavoured veges that ensure excellent health until our late 90s.
        AND we save the planet!!
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        “yuk beef noodles most nights”
        
        I save those ones for Saturday nights only.
        
        It might be worth considering that I eat a vegan diet with some meat. While you eat a bland diet of compost.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:44pm
    - softail 1450
      
      govege ,are their mothers born without breasts?
      
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      July 18, 2018 6:21am
Jack5

Television advertisements are a good way of subtly moulding the community, piggy-backing on the promotional spend of the advertiser.

This link gives an idea of how “diversity” is being promoted within the ~~advertising~~ industry:

http://stoppress.co.nz/news/commercial-communications-council-tackles-inclusiveness-and-diversity-new-policy-tool
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July 17, 2018 7:58pm
- realityczech
  
  A leading Jews speaks about that Jacksie. I know how you worship them so don’t forget to uptick:
  
  “Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. ”
  
  https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/09/16/kevin-macdonald-jews-play-a-leading-role-in-promoting-multiculturalism-in-europe/
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:04pm
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    It’s almost as if some Jews feel that the cure for centuries of persecution might lie in promoting tolerance for a much wider range of cultures and faiths. Pretty radical.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:22pm
    - realityczech
      
      You would think so milky, but they are rounding up black Jews and putting them in camps for removal in Israel. They also have racial purity tests and other things.
      
      So clearly you are as bigoted and ignorant on this topic as others. You have failed as a human being.
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:46pm
wiseowl

Credlin covering the issue of immigration in to Australia.
Hoo ray.
At last the pollies are having to front up and debate the high rate of immigration destroying Australia (and NZ).
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July 17, 2018 8:06pm
- nasska
  
  …..”the high rate of immigration destroying Australia (and NZ).”…..
  
  If we are to believe the wankers Western orientated countries with a low birth rate MUST import breeders to get our birth rate up or there won’t be people top fill job vacancies.
  
  BUT
  
  We are also being bombarded with info which suggests that technology will replace low skilled jobs.
  
  One viewpoint is totally at odds with the other. Which is right?
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:15pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In Japan, robotics and AI will offset the labor shortage (it is hoped).
    Have you noticed that ever since the late 1950s, the heroes of Japanese children’s programs have often been robots, while in the West the bots have often been cast as the baddies.
    
    Remember, robots are your friends.
    ロボットは友達。
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:33pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”the heroes of Japanese children’s programs have often been robots”…..
      
      Never watched them.
      
      But the sex lives of Japanese squid as depicted in porn movies is the stuff that inspired legends about John Holmes. 🙂
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:41pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yeah we know what you lot like
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:41pm
      - nasska
        
        Those are for the well adjusted RC. Wait until you get this. 🙂
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGVHYzmz4SA
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        This is what you get when the government does not pay women to sleep around and pump out babies to randomly selected fathers.
        
        The savages 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chastity no longer required if you are thinking of becoming a Consecrated Virgin (Sacra Virginitas).
https://www.rt.com/news/433406-consecrated-virgins-vatican-sex/
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July 17, 2018 8:18pm
- realityczech
  
  Thinking of signing up Wiggles?
  
  What do you think of Labour slashing more jobs at the Museum? I guess we can just make up history and science based on feelz.
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why would any of the Wiggles sign up?
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na,
    I was an old maid/spinster of the parish for long enuf..
    
    I don’t see why we need a bunch of taxonomists peering up the jacksie of a harmless arachnid, or counting the dickydidos on a carpel.
    
    I’ve never noticed a totara or a manuka get upset when I call them Harry or Horace or Martha.
    
    I think folks like made-up history and press-button touch screens and nice coffee.
    Honestly, if folks want to look at old things, they can go to a junk shop or a Rymans Village.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:46pm
    - realityczech
      
      I like old school Museums. Draws full of bugs and not allowed to touch anything. Te Papa is more like a shrine to PC.
      
      I would make it about how the world really is and issue tasers to security for kids who behave poorly .
      
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      July 17, 2018 8:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You’ve been watching Charlie and the Chocolate Factory too many times and now you want to be Willy Wonka.
        
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        July 17, 2018 8:56pm
      - realityczech
        
        Oh look is here is one of the unruly kids now ☝☝☝
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I s’pose The Field Museum, Chicago is the best I’ve seen for stuffed animals in idealised habitat dioramas
        
        The Tasmanian Museum in Hobart was good in that old-fashioned way 20 years ago.
        
        The Chatham Is Museum is pretty good; last time I saw it, items were stuffed all randomly in a broom cupboard.
        
        I won’t mention the condition of natural taonga in the Whanganui Museum basement.
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        “stuffed all randomly in a broom cupboard.”
        
        Rather that than some contrived rewrite of history to retrospectively reflect the spirit of the treaty etc.
        
        I like natural history and science better as it gets less tainted, though they still can’t help taking a swipe at YT even then.
        
        Pretty sure your old haunt is probably working on a display to blame Moa extinctions on Trump. 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2018 9:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He’s a powerful man..
      He’s gonna cause 100s of plant species in Hawaii to Vegecide
      https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/extinction-countdown/trump-budget-cuts-could-cause-hundreds-of-plant-extinctions-in-hawaii/
      
      He’s gonna extincticide us
      http://960thepatriot.com/content/newstalk-news/yale-professor-trump-extinction-human-species
      
      But I think it was some other bloke that bumped off the last Moa
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/11388/richard-owen
      
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      July 17, 2018 9:59pm
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        Loved the one about Trump making us extinct. 🙂
        
        These people actually teach in institutions of higher learning. No wonder graduates are such morons blinded by political dogma and unable to function reliably when faced with real tasks.
        
        Think about what millenials have invented. They are the most useless uninventive generation in modern history. Obsessed with social approval and appearance. Their sole contribution to humanity being Facebook and other narcissistic navel gazing uses for technology developed by baby boomers and the silent generation.
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:11pm
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  Shit hot! I knew that if I waited around long enough I’d qualify for admission. 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:23pm
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    nasska, it does not mean they want desecrated ones either.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:38pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Sacra Virginitas sounds like a kind of skin complaint…
  
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  July 17, 2018 8:34pm
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    I think that is Latin for: not needing to take it up the arse all the time.
    
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    July 17, 2018 8:48pm
Lance

I see Goffs gone full retard on Stuff;
Claiming police feared riots, burning, looting, mass death and nuclear armageddon if some non lefties were allow to (gasp…) speak.
Bloody hero is our Full Goof for saving Auckland from the ultraviolent lefties. Funny it only seems to be lefties that are known to use violence when they don’t agree with something.

Police didn’t comment on the mayors insane claims.
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  So they are threatening violence to demonstrate how tolerant and non violent they are?
  
  I just knew they would do this. They are so predictable.
  
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  July 17, 2018 9:11pm
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    On this rare occasion I agree with you RCZ
    
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    July 17, 2018 9:48pm
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      They will attack people and use that as evidence the speakers are inciting violence.
      
      The media will sort the details and probably provide video evidence that the protesters were the ones attacked.
      
      It will be a set up from start to finish. Trouble is people can record what really happened on a simple phone now days. So it might not work.
      
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      July 17, 2018 10:02pm
Jack5

The Police Commissioner has already shown he is not a champion of free speech by calling for tighter controls on “hate speech”.

He will likely support the weasel, Mayor ~~Gaffe~~ Goff, in trying to shut down these speakers and thus bow to demands of a relative handful of Islamic immigrants to curb our democracy.

~~Gaffe’s~~ Goff’s got to go. He’s a threat to democracy.

In the meantime, the anti-free-speech campaign has shown the danger of letting more Muslims settle in New Zealand. Islam is incompatible with Western democracy.

If there’s violence, the Muslims will be to blame by starting the effort to shut out these two political speakers.
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- realityczech
  
  “Muslims will be to blame”
  
  Err no that is the Jew. The whole hate speech thing started with the Jew. You have been given plenty of evidence of this, directly from Jews. It is mostly the Jew who is calling for more hate speech laws and mass immigration into goyim lands.
  
  You know all that but still try and provoke war against Muslims. I way prefer the Jews to Muslims, that does not make your lies into truth.
  
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  July 18, 2018 6:46am
DigNap15

Where is the GD for July 18?
Its already 20 past 8!
Half the day is gone!
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