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Monique Watson

First time the French have won anything without a little help from friends.
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July 16, 2018 8:04am
- VicParking
  
  By the names of some of the French team I think they did have help.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:38am
  - stephieboy
    
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    VicPArking, you mean those with dark skins?
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:22am
    - paul scott
      
      No he means the non whites.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:52am
- MrTips
  
  Actually, they won it in 1998.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:09am
  - dime
    
    yikes it was that long ago?
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:16am
    - stephieboy
      
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      dime, like England 1966?
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:24am
      - dime
        
        wasn’t around in 66.. but France winning didn’t seem like 20 years ago…
        
        also, you’re an idiot.
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:46am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Fucking Cheats, Sayin’ The Truth
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:59am
    - Monique Watson
      
      Haha I have French rellies who I love dearly: But you can’t overlook the research 🙂
      
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      July 17, 2018 1:45am
- Lance
  
  Imagine the horror if England had made it through to the final and THEN lost to France.
  …………actually it would be kinda funny in a morbid kind of way 🙂
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:19am
  - Jack5
    
    With a President like Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic, my sympathies have to be with Croatia, even if the Africans were the better players.
    
    The Guardian is, of course boosting the French team’s diversity but with 15 African players, is the French team diverse or African?
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:23am
    - Jack5
      
      Here’s a view from India:
      
      https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/fifa-world-cup-2018/story/world-cup-2018-final-french-players-proud-to-represent-africa-1286287-2018-07-15
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:30am
    - Morrissey
      
      They’re French, you moron. Similarly, some of the greatest French rugby footballers have African heritage: players like Serge Blanco and of course Abdelatif Benazzi who did more than anyone to destroy the All Blacks in the 1999 RWC semifinal.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:08am
      - Jack5
        
        Your brain still addled from listening to two radio stations at once, Morrissey?
        
        Blanco was born in Venezuela. His father was Venezuelan and his mother was a Basque.
        
        Got Trudeau on your Gropers list yet, Morrissey?
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:17am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks for that, Jack! I knew he was Venezuelan, but of course it’s that Basque blood that made him so devastating a player. That southwest region of France has the highest concentration of rugby talent in the world.
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:58pm
- BananaLlama
  
  I had to laugh when France and Croatia made it. So much for diversity when all of the diverse teams got knocked out before the finals.
  An all African team vs Croatia hahahahahhaha.
  
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  July 16, 2018 3:00pm
Catons

Soper’s Column on the Health Minister’s spinning on his family holiday does nothing for his credibility. First he said he came back early without his family and then it emerged they came with him. Obviously he was ordered back but he did not want to admit that so he spun his story. The family holiday should have been postponed until the strike was sorted but Minister Clark wanted it both ways and the family suffered.
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July 16, 2018 8:05am
- Swifty
  
  It sure looks like Clark has lied to the country.
  
  A pity. Before the elections I thought he was one of the good ones, you know, at least he had had a proper job before entering politics.
  
  Unfortunately I was wrong.
  
  He’s a bad ‘un.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:09am
  - kowtow
    
    A proper job ?
    
    He’s done fuck all.
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:28am
    - sooty
      
      But that trough is deep enough to wallow in!
      
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      July 16, 2018 8:35am
    - Swifty
      
      I apologise kowtow, you are right, I have just checked my facts.
      
      For some reason I was thinking of Kevin Hague when I wrote that.
      
      Yikes! WTF had Clark ever done to qualify as NZ’s Health Minister?
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:11am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        He has Dr in his title and therefore is qualified just as Dr Coleman would be comfortable with conducing a burial
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given his ability to lie, in fact he is such a liar I find it difficult to believe he could ever lie straight in bed, he is so crooked.
    
    As for his previous calling, given his training, calling & vows, I find it insulting to believe he was ever an ordained Christian Minister.
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:47am
  - thedavincimode
    
    The Middlemore debacle including the lies. Health performance targets, cochlear implants and then mental health support on Police crisis calls canned and now this. This arrogant prick just doesn’t get it. He should have learned his lesson after Middlemore but clearly didn’t.
    He’s yet another example of how these liebour leopards never change their spots. Nine years in the wilderness, they scrape in with a flimsy COL and don’t even miss a beat before conducting themselves with an extraordinary level of arrogance from day 1 that is far in excess of what we saw with Klerkula’s regime.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:04am
  - dime
    
    it seems like he can’t help but just fucking lie as the first option.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:18am
  - stephen2d
    
    A Labour politician lying? Well, I never!
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:35am
  - pdm
    
    He never impressed me.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:34am
- niggly
  
  Luckily for David Clarke he is a Minister in a Labour government and only newspaper columnists are writing about his arrogance – imagine if he were a National Minister … TVNZ, TV3, Radio NZ news would have this as their headline story day after day publicly vilifying him until he either apologised (along with the PM too) or was stood down.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:33am
  - Prince
    
    Yep. Reporters stalking out his house, pictures of his holiday hotel, porters questioned, registers scanned, John Campbell breathlessly setting out the timeline.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:53am
- Nostradamus
  
  Over-promise
  
  Jacinda Ardern on 25 October 2017: “The allocation of portfolios shows how the government I lead will be focused on making a difference for all New Zealanders, no matter where they live”.
  
  Clare Curran on 29 November 2017: “My priority is that this will be the most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had”.
  
  Under-deliver
  
  Barry Soper: Clark saga shows Government’s lack of transparency
  
  In his first appearance before the media, post the nurses’ strike, he explained his absence by saying he was always going to be here during the strike, but he had to transport his wife and family to Australia, presumably to ensure they arrived safely. This selfless politician was then virtually on the next flight a day later to rightly attend to his responsibilities.
  
  He cancelled his holiday, he said, leaving the clear impression the family was left sunning themselves on the other side of the ditch. But it turns out his family accompanied him on his return flight home, which indicates to me he was fully intending to stay on holiday with them until he was told by someone higher up the food chain to get home and do his job.
  
  It’s good to know that David Clark is “focused on making a difference for all New Zealanders”…
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    The only differnce is his back pocket.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:32am
    - Nermal
      
      You really believe he paid for it all?
      
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      July 16, 2018 1:35pm
Nostradamus

Two government press releases were published within 4 minutes of each other last week:

Funding for Taranaki hydrogen infrastructure
Thursday, 12 July 2018, 1:05 pm
Press Release: New Zealand Government

Acting Prime Minister, Rt Hon Winston Peters, has announced a Provincial Growth Fund investment to help develop hydrogen fuel infrastructure in Taranaki. During his visit to New Plymouth today, Mr Peters said a grant of $950,000 will be made to Hiringa Energy and its partners which is seeking to develop zero emission hydrogen transport fuel.

Further PGF funding announced for Venture Taranaki
Thursday, 12 July 2018, 1:01 pm
Press Release: New Zealand Government

Regional Economic Development Under-Secretary Fletcher Tabuteau is pleased to be in Taranaki today to announce $600,000 from the Provincial Growth Fund to support the Taranaki region to diversify its economy.

The Provincial Growth Fund seems to operate like an anti-wrinkle serum investment fund. $950,000 here. $600,000 there.

– Step 1: The government bans an industry (side effect = Taranaki voters develop wrinkles).

– Step 2: The government invests in a company that is “seeking to develop” an anti-wrinkle serum (Taranaki voters need to wait and see if a product is developed and commercialised).

It’s called live-and-hope politics.
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July 16, 2018 8:07am
- Swifty
  
  They are hoping to buy-off criticism – with our money.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:11am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Too bloody late, the damage is done.
    No one with an operating brain is going to forget that Cindy et al dumped on Taranaki, and New Zealand, in a big way.
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:19am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Ain’t that the truth. I was chatting to a couple of Taranaki blokes yesterday, and the anti-Labour sentiment there is strong, and getting stronger by the week.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:57am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Big deal. The coalition has no cracks, still going strong. Another 2 terms for sure.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:12am
  - sooty
    
    Wallpapering done by Roofus the Painter!
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Winston invested the $350,000 in the TAB on the way to New Plymouth.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:42am
- KevOB
  
  Hiringa Energy
  
  Snake oil.
  $950m to a well drilling engineer on spec for hydrogen fuel development. Why don’t they just install breath capture gear on corralled taniwha?
  
  The practicalities for H2 as a vehicle fuel are well tested. It’s hard to contain, its explosive and the motor industry has learned to avoid it and the chemical complications it presents. It was troublesome in airships.
  
  Hydrogen is being tested in a molecular form in the LENR research projects. It is bound with aluminum and lithium as a hydride. Nickel is being used too. We deal safely with bound hydrogen everyday in the form of water.
  
  Some reported international scientific replications of a possible new energy source:
  https://ecat.com/reports/ecat-replications
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:26am
  - VicParking
    
    What are the environmental consequences of generating Hydrogen. Is there a net gain in energy and the environment?
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:37am
  - Nostradamus
    
    KevOB:
    
    The Hiringa Energy website raises concerns in my mind:
    
    What are we doing in New Zealand to introduce this energy of tomorrow today?
    
    Hiringa Energy is here to bring zero-emission hydrogen fuel to New Zealand businesses, regional and city councils (and eventually also to individuals). We are developing a network of hydrogen generation, distribution and refuelling infrastructure to supply this clean and sustainable fuel to commercial, industrial, public sector and retail customers in New Zealand.
    
    Who are we currently working with?
    
    At these early stages, we are identifying those companies, regions, and cities who see themselves as the New Zealand leaders in tackling our carbon emissions and energy challenges. We’ll combine our expertise with your passion to start along this journey towards zero-emissions.
    
    Who is Hiringa Energy?
    
    We are a New Zealand company based in New Plymouth. Our team come from the energy industry with skills in gas, electricity and hydrogen.
    
    FFS – Winston has just thrown away $950,000 of taxpayer money for what exactly?
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:43am
    - KevOB
      
      Hydrogen is not generated it has to be unbound from within water or whatever else they use. It is highly reactive so is basically never alone.
      It’s isolation takes large quantities of energy–work has to be done to break the bonds. I understand that using the energy from hydrogen to create electricity which is to be used to separate out hydrogen from water is regarded as a perpetual motion machine. Not economic.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:16am
    - KevOB
      
      Seems that money has been “dished out”. I note the connection of the parties to the well industry which has been killed.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:23am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Nostradamus as there always seems to be particular key words needed to be granted large amounts of money from a lefty administration. Back in the day any program that offered numeracy and literacy for the unwashed was the key. Now it is diversity to anything other than fossil fuel that is the key to riches which unfortunately will add immense costs on top of the losses from the premature closure of the O&G industry.
  The fact that action was a crude attempt to try and make the silly little girl look good at CHOGM was a dismal failure since that gathering was concerned with more serious real issues. But you seem to be on to something with the PGF being a wrinkle fund made necessary by the most wrinkly of them all as a result of his secret 38 page agreement. What else is yet to come? It is a bit like the optimistic young pregnant girl rubbing vanishing cream on her swelling mid section. As good a remedy as offered from the snake oil salesman that 93% know is anything but a cure.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:47pm
duggledog

Phil Goff on Q + A TVNZ goes ‘we have to be inclusive, 40% of Dorklanders born overseas’, people would find Southern & Molyneux offensive etc.

Well a little bird told me ACC received a heads up that there would be much, um, ‘cleaning up’ to do in the expensive, high-end vicinity of the Bruce Mason Center if the evening went ahead.

After which ACC would most likely have faced extensive legal action from the business fraternity there.

So, effectively, if you could upset a small, volatile portion of the community, you are banned.

If you could offend a large, docile portion of the community (Virgin in a Condom, ‘KiwiFist’) you will be supported.

Just remember – Kathy Griffen was allowed to tour Australia by Pete Dutton, where she walked around on stage with a very realistic rubber model of Donald Trump’s bleeding severed head.

Goff will get away with this.

The relatively small Muslim minority will feel chuffed, and now emboldened.

Interestingly on Sunday night TV1 News referred to Southern / Molyneux as ‘right wing’ so they have climbed down on ‘far right’.
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July 16, 2018 8:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What do TV1 News think “right wing” means?
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:28am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Anyone who doesnt agree with them 100%
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:07am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      It’s one thing for the media to throw names such as “right wing” about, but what annoys me is that no-one calls them up on such sloppy use of the English language.
      
      I find it amusing that the most “correct” people I meet are frequently trust-fund babies with family batches on Waiheke Island.
      
      Why is it that so many people from wealthy families virtual signal so much, and yet, the self-employed and the real workers tend to call a spade a spade? (I think that’s the correct euphemism…)
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:01am
      - kowtow
        
        Ody
        
        Funny that. The people I meet here in Daft Dunners who make a big point of telling one that they are “very concerned about the growing gap between the rich and the poor” , live in the the most exclusive neighbourhood and send their children to fee paying private schools.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:05am
      - Nermal
        
        But surely when they interview Labour or Greens ministers they introduce them as left wing? Don’t they?
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:39pm
Monique Watson

Hahaha I had a commitment. Yeah shit was running down the walls so I pissed off to Australia.
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July 16, 2018 8:11am
waikatogirl

OK people, which GD are we choosing to use this morning? 1, or 2? ?
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July 16, 2018 8:13am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and somedays there is no GD.
  Who is responsible for starting them?
  How does one start one?
  Why do they start so late ? 8am when many of us are at work?
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:16am
  - VicParking
    
    Your just piss’d you not a public servant and can’t have KB open all day on your PC.
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:45am
    - sooty
      
      Hughy should be on the other one!
      
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      July 16, 2018 12:40pm
- VicParking
  
  Read the Failing Newspaper on Line. Promptly had a No 2. KB is No 1.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:56am
EAD_TWO

After intensive lobbying by Gay rights groups, the UK has banned gay conversion therapy and there are now calls for NZ to follow suit:

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/uk-government-planning-ban-gay-conversion-therapy

That governments should bow down towards such authoritarianism is the real crime, though.

Gay conversion therapy, has made the lives of thousands of people happier – that is indisputable. I knew someone from school who considered themselves gay for much of their teens and early twenties (his Dad abandoned the family at a young age), was uncomfortable about it, and is now straight and happy and able to enjoy a normal and healthy family life with 2 beautiful children.

All this would have been denied to him if gay conversion therapy were made illegal at the behest of the zealots

The homosexual lobby keep lecturing civil society that we need to “get over it”, but the real truth is that it is Gays that need to “get over it”.
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July 16, 2018 8:14am
- dubya
  
  So did your friend actually go through a course of ‘Gay Conversion Therapy’?
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:34am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Yes – from what I understand all it involved was talking to a counsellor for 45 minute sessions over the period of about 18 months.
    
    He was not browbeaten with Christian commandments, nor was not bullied. He just talked to a counsellor and as a consequence his life immeasurably improved and having thrown off his self doubts about his sexuality, is the father of 2 great children.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:33am
    - Batman
      
      If this is even true, it probably resulted in him releasing he way bisexual or perhaps sapiosexual and nothing was actually ‘wrong’ with him to begin with.
      
      The fact he is now married with kids is partially incidental to his background. Love is love, right?
      
      Either that, or he’s now actually living a lie and deep down is desperately unhappy.
      
      OR, he and his wife go swinging on the weekends hahaha.
      
      Either way, gay conversion therapy is a crock of shit at best, and guilt-filled brainwashing at worst.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:43am
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      The UK is a disgrace and an insult to humanity, I guess that banning criticism of their promotion of alternative, unatural and unhealthy homosexual lifestyles wasn’t enough for these ‘people’.
      
      Now they are going after mental health service providers who are trying to help poor confused and troubled individuals to be happy with the body that they have been given!
      
      This shouldn’t come as a surprise, the government did similar things when free-market health clinics were popping up all over the UK, they put in legislation to prevent ‘non-licensed’ healthcare providers from providing healthcare services. Unfortunately this meant that many poor people could no longer afford healthcare.
      
      Unfortunately I suspect the same will happened again in this case. That these people will be denied the mental health services they need to be happy in their own body, to live a normal happy and productive life!
      
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      July 16, 2018 12:59pm
- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO,
  
  “Gay conversion therapy, has made the lives of thousands of people happier – that is indisputable”
  
  ??? Other than your anecdotal accounts?
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:54am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    You are right Stephie, smashing another grown man in the tailpipe and going to Thailand or Russia to adopt a child is much better than a traditional family.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:00am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Padriv Ustoev,
      
      “..a child is much better than a traditional family” ?
      
      Not with your kind of colour bar views.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:08am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Lol. What does that even mean? Are you saying I should not have a family because I am not white like you?
        That’s a bit fucking racist, don’t ya think?
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:16am
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      Woah there Padriv, don’t forget the much higher incidence of AIDs and other mental health issues. And I hear a lot about gay priests molesting young boys, I don’t hear much about normal married priests molesting little girls…
      
      But who am I kidding, it probably means I just have a ‘phobia’ of gay people… Because yeah, everyone who speaks out against child molestation is just scared that the ‘gays will come and get them’… I think the ones that would do that are busy enough with their ‘children’….
      
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      July 16, 2018 1:03pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    It’s probably best that you don’t mention “therapy” given your well-documented issues!
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:00am
    - stephieboy
      
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      “.. given your well-documented issues!”
      
      ???
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:09am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Yeah like the time you told all of KB how you were eyeraping those two underage Muslim girls in St Luke’s mall.
        Pedophilia is an issue. And it’s documented on KB.
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:18am
      - stephieboy
        
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        PU, documented on KB ???
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:20am
      - pentwig
        
        yep
        and all your own work, you sicko you
        tsk,tsk
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:32am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Yes, documented on KB.
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:33am
      - All_on_Red
        
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        stephieboy
        Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
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        Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
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        July 16, 2018 9:43am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy on 24 January 2016:
        
        Inandout , recently I observed a young Muslim couple with their babe on the infants swing at Mt Roskill Park. They were having a lovely time taking photos.of their new child
        
        Nasska on 5 March 2018 (after becoming aware of Stephieboy’s comment):
        
        “babe”! “infant”! “swing!” “park!”
        
        It’s worse than we thought.
        
        I’m not sure whether we should advise the CYPF or the Police!
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:29am
      - stephieboy
        
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        All on Wed.con,
        
        The ages of the Muslim women were not mentioned as you can see but would estimate their ages as 19-20.
        
        It is quite remarkable how the female form and beauty is held in high disgust and fear on KB.
        
        Victims of gay conversion therapy?
        
        LOL
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:33am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, nah Underwear Boy
        No one believes you
        Maybe it’s time you visited YOUR Doctor
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:59am
      - realityczech
        
        “I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . ”
        
        You all realise he was referring to the “children” ?
        
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        July 16, 2018 12:28pm
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie, Your Gay conversation therapy starts with a walk to the roof of a five story building.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:40am
- Philview
  
  I agree that if a person wants to under go such therapy they should be able to. Liberals don’t have an issue with transgender sex changes or people leaving a heterosexual marriage and family to be gay so is a double standard on their part.
  
  My only caution is people shouldn’t be coerced into any change of any sort. I also often wonder about Caitlyn Jenner, there was a lot of Liberal peer pressure put on “her” and does “she” now regret the decision. “She” has gone very quiet and may think what the F have I done.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:14am
- Fletch
  
  There’s a large community overseas called PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays) that you don’t hear about because it goes against the narrative that being gay is immutable. The reality is that many people have turned from the lifestyle and are happier for it.
  
  http://www.pfox.org/
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:58am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ex-gays everywhere?
    
    Where?
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:35am
    - VicParking
      
      In the Middle East At the base of a Five story building.
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:41am
    - Local Miller
      
      Are you in denial?
      
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      July 16, 2018 3:51pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Thanks for sharing Fletch.
    
    It must be so heart warming for a parent to see their child’s future path turned around from that if a lifetime of seedy sodomy to one of a healthy stable heterosexual relationships with the possibility and joy of them being grandparents one day.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:44am
- Nermal
  
  Does that mean Muslims can’t throw gays off buildings any more?
  
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  July 16, 2018 1:42pm
artemisia

A state house tenant in a unit in Cannons Creek has had her application to move to a state house in Titahi Bay because. Birthdays. Memories. Nothing to do with unit in CC v house in TB of course.

She may regret getting the media involved, especially since some amateur researchers have found family and ‘friends’ on social media may not be worthy upright citizens. (I couldn’t possibly comment ….) Responses to her plight have been many, swift and mostly savage.

Raises the issue of whether a state house is a home for life. That has never been the case, except for a small number of tenancies with specific conditions. However in 2011 the previous government formalised reviewable tenancies and began to work quietly with state tenants paying market rent to move them into the private sector or home ownership.

That programme has been canned by the current government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105473218/womans-request-to-swap-her-state-house-for-childhood-home-declined
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July 16, 2018 8:23am
- Longknives
  
  Her son’s name is Mighty.
  Anyone want to hazard a guess which gang she was partying with back in the day??
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Woof. ?
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:31am
    - sam green
      
      That’s right WG – it was the Poodles.
      
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      July 16, 2018 1:45pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        The poodle was sarcasm sam. I wouldn’t give that bunch of moronic wankers the time of day, let alone any respect.
        
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        July 16, 2018 3:09pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    I would venture to say it was not a gang but clearly the local Baptist Tabernacle. The name Mighty is to glorify God Almighty. Surely?
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:40am
  - Swifty
    
    Who let the dogs out?
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:41am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Mighty”?
    
    That’s an example of funny-name syndrome if ever there was one.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:05am
waikatogirl

The Thai boys and their coach were all anesthetised so they could be brought out of the cave without incident. The trip out included 3km of deep pools of water through the cave system and could not have been made successfully without taking this action. The Aussie doctor, an anaesthetist, carried on helping to get the boys out despite finding out his own father, back in Aus had died from heart failure during the rescue of the boys.
Thank goodness for amazing people in this world.
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July 16, 2018 8:26am
- MCos
  
  Those kids are out of hospital on Thursday. They come from an isolated part of Thailand with a lifestyle that bears little resemblance to Auckland, for example.
  It’s pretty hard to imagine how the community might handle a influx of money if someone starts getting them to sign contracts for this and that.
  They’re not businesspeople up there.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:47am
  - waikatogirl
    
    One of the Thai kids wanted BBQ pork and rice
    Another wanted KFC ?
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:58am
- backster
  
  Aussie of the year?
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:50am
  - waikatogirl
    
    He’s definitely at the top of the list.
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:58am
- VicParking
  
  Not according to Musk. THey could have been removed from the cave in his sub while sitting in recliner seats with a coke and KFC in hand.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:58am
  - MrTips
    
    God he’s an arrogant cock. He deservedly got mocked for that.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:12am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I think Mr. Musk was taking the opportunity to keep his name at the top of the public mind by taking advantage of the situation in Thailand to grab some free publicity.
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:06am
      - sooty
        
        He certainly got it in spades.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:37am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        He publicly confirmed himself as a full scale twat.
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:08pm
  - Lance
    
    And when it was politely pointed out the flaws in Musk’s plan (the sub was rigid and couldn’t bend around the squeeze points), he resorted to calling one of the cave divers a pedophile.
    All class is Mr Musk.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:15am
  - Philview
    
    The cave was approx 40 cm high in places, just bigger than a ruler. I try to imagine dragging his sub through that.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:24am
    - Ed Snack
      
      The “sub” was sized to fit through 30 cm gaps, but the biggest Issue I would think was its length and rigidity. In my somewhat limited caving experience, narrow squeezes aren’t always tight but nice and straight. More usually they are narrow and involve frequent changes of direction.
      
      Musk just went totally off the pavement with his “pedo” comment (and it could cost him a bundle), but the idea was creditable. He just has such an ego that he can’t imagine being wrong; and has this fixation that he has an answer to anything and everything.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:15am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        NZ Labour PM material then
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:35pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The Queen may be short but she is not that short!
      
      I am home for several weeks on ACC so may well help kowtow out as pedant troll.
      
      I know, I know, another fing bene with too much time on ones hands . . .
      
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      July 16, 2018 1:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  Not anesthetised. They were sedated. Big difference.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:36am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yeah, yeah. Need a cup of coffee before getting specific! ?
    
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    July 16, 2018 12:02pm
- paul scott
  
  The boys were sedated not anaesthetized.
  Mae Sai , Chiang Mai, is not as primitive as you may think.
  Thailand is a dichotomy . Trade and Industrial dependence is with China.
  Social and language preference is heavily Western.
  The emergence of fatty Western foods is a nightmare now. Diabetes rate is soaring.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:12pm
kowtow

Recently there was an article in the media about how there were fewer refs about and the shit they get from the drongoes on the sidelines.

Today we have this .

The country seems to be producing ferals at an alarming rate.

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/north-otago/assault-charge-after-post-match-incident
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July 16, 2018 8:31am
Poppa

Another good result for Ryan Fox in Scotland moving up to 9th on the European money list.

He has come a long way in a very short time, hopefully he goes well in The Open next weekend.
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July 16, 2018 8:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  He’s having a stellar year. He’s locked in his European Tour card for next year already, he’ll make the big money Race to Dubai season finale, and he’s playing with tremendous confidence. His World Ranking before this week’s tournament was #87, a career high, and he will be higher than that again when the new rankings come out tomorrow.
  
  On the final hole today, a 460 yard par four, Fox had only 42 yards to the hole for his second shot. He pitched to within 12 feet and sunk the birdie putt. He is certainly the longest hitter on the European Tour, and is in great form heading into the Open Championship at Carnoustie.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:11am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Carnoustie will test him properly.
    
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    July 16, 2018 2:08pm
Keeping Stock

Is this Strike Three for David Clark?

Strike One was the shit that wasn’t running down the walls in the wards of Middlemore Hospital, and his pathetic attempts to blame National.

Strike Two was his phone call to gag the sacked Chair of the Counties-Manukau DHB. We now know that an audit had uncovered dodgy financial transactions, the full extent of which is still to be determined

Now there’s the holiday that wasn’t. Barry Soper gets right to the heart of things this morning (my emphasis added):

Jacinda Ardern promised her Government would be the most open and transparent the country’s ever seen, but they’ve failed.

The fallout from the country’s biggest industrial spat in the health sector in a generation put paid to that.

This time last week it was pretty clear nurses were going to go on strike. Surgery was being delayed in preparation for the walkout and district health boards were working to ensure no lives would be put at risk.

Meanwhile, the minister in charge of the whole shebang – David Clark – was busy packing his bags, along with his family, to take a holiday in Australia. If politics was about perception, this was not a good look. It gave the appearance of a minister who had a cavalier approach to his portfolio.

But it was his fudging of the holiday that made matters worse.

In his first appearance before the media, post the nurses’ strike, he explained his absence by saying he was always going to be here during the strike, but he had to transport his wife and family to Australia, presumably to ensure they arrived safely. This selfless politician was then virtually on the next flight a day later to rightly attend to his responsibilities.

He cancelled his holiday, he said, leaving the clear impression the family was left sunning themselves on the other side of the ditch. But it turns out his family accompanied him on his return flight home, which indicates to me he was fully intending to stay on holiday with them until he was told by someone higher up the food chain to get home and do his job.

This transparent Government’s spin doctor for Clark was in high dudgeon when he was called to find out whether the Clark family accompanied him on his trip back home. He snapped, saying send an email. When I did, I got this reply: “I’m reluctant to discuss my minister’s family with you on the fly or at all to be honest. Can you explain the relevance of your question?”

By return email he was told it was obvious: Clark indicated he’d left his family on holiday in Australia when he hadn’t. It had a bearing on what he’d told us publicly.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12089534&ref=twitter

David Clark is fast becoming the government’s biggest liability. One cock-up is understandable and excusable for a new Minister in what has often been regarded as a “graveyard” portfolio. Two cock-ups is very, very careless, but three? That’s simply inexcusable.

David Clark should have been stood down from the Health portfolio when the State Services Commissioner agreed to investigate the allegations over the CMDHB audit report. He wasn’t, and now the government has this latest lapse of judgment.

As Soper says “If politics was about perception, this was not a good look”. The perception is that Clark is a lightweight, not on top of his portfolio, and lashing out when his ineptitude is exposed. Will Peters do anything about it, or will crisis talks be going on at the Ardern-Gayford residence?
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July 16, 2018 8:47am
backster

K.S…..And that from a Minister of the Church and probably the only one claiming to be a Christian in the Labour Government.
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July 16, 2018 8:53am
- stephieboy
  
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  backster, we don’t live under a Christian theocracy.
  
  More to the point what about you?
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:57am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    God Defend New Zealand in the anthem refer s to Allah. Not the Christian God.
    I’m glad you agree Stephie.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:02am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Padriv, out of academic curiosity, please confirm the following translation.
      
      “God” = the Christian God
      “Allah” = “Our God” when uttered by a Muslim
      “Allahu Akbar” = “Our God is the greatest”
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Odakyu sen, yes.More here,
        
        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ameerah-altaweel/the-true-meaning-of-allahu-akbar_b_9244372.html
        
        Academic curiosity or prejudice?
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:40am
      - Ed Snack
        
        And “Admiral Akbar”
        
        That’s a trap !
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:18am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Definitely academic curiosity.
        
        Words are mere symbols for concepts. This is why you can never translate with a dictionary in one hand.
        Context, the intent of the speaker, and what is going on inside their head are all critical.
        
        For example, if Don Corleone says to his underlying “take care of this guy” does he mean “show him a good time” or “kill him”? Without the backstory, context and non-verbal communication (including facial expression and body language), we would have no idea.
        
        So when some guy calls out “Allahu Akbar,” what does he mean from his perspective? I suspect he means “My God is greater than your god” / “My God is the greatest.”
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:03pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        No, it is the two second warning that means ‘I am about to blow my stupid head off my body and smear you all with my body, ball bearings and belief ‘
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:43pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    backster isn’t a Minister of the Crown stephie. Surely the LEAST we could expect from Clark is a bit of honesty.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:12am
- MrTips
  
  He’s from Dunedin. They don’t do Christianity – they do guilt ridden Church of Nice.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:13am
VicParking

Who’s channeling who (Khan or Goff). Sadiq Khan stops a pro Trump march by issuing ban under the Public Order Act. “Protesters at the approved far larger anti-Trump demonstrations, which Khan encouraged, were allowed to carrying signs with profanity and messages such as “Die Trump Die.”. NO doubt it was far larger as the Pro Trump march did not happen.
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July 16, 2018 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  The anti Khan/May resistance just got stronger. Interesting that the anti Trump mob were described largely as toffs who didn’t work and whose parents supported them; having names like Sebastian and Miles. Sort of explains how they blithely minced around without worrying about employers watching.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

Can Eion Musk get any wierder?
Now he’s calling one of the British divers who helped rescue the Thai boys a pedophile.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
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July 16, 2018 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  Tesla, cars for eco fools.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Inandout , of course, you should know?
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:00am
    - Inandout
      
      Sounds like the steph has been sucked in by econ.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:12am
  - Lance
    
    I would have a Tesla if someone gave me one. However I wouldn’t buy one.
    My main objection is Musk hoovering up vast amounts of R+D money for this pet projects that would have been far better invested in less grandiose but more practical R+D. If he wants to spend his own money, fine, but alas this is not the case.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:24am
    - ldypen
      
      Can someone tell me, do Tesla’s run on Snake oil or electricity?
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        They run on government subsidies.
        https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-how-teslas-elon-musk-became-the-master-of-fake-business
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:49am
      - DJ Ward
        
        @Maggy
        Oh come on, the writer hates anything, not hydro, not nuclear or not corporate energy companies.
        
        He’s about as irrationally biased towards these things as Clementine Ford is towards men.
        
        In saying that I did watch something with Musk doing an interview the other day. He looked and sounded like he was being chemically altered. I’m probably wrong.
        
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        July 16, 2018 12:22pm
      - Paulus
        
        Ask our Cindy – she has a taxpayer owned Tesla to go to the baby shops in Ponsonby or for her squeeze to cruise the coffee bars.
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:32pm
- ross411
  
  Twitter is a festering sore on the internet.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:13am
- john1234
  
  Musk believes he is Tony Stark.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:05am
  - Lance
    
    LOL
    I love it
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:26pm
- paul scott
  
  Musk thoroughly disgraced himself .
  He came over here to hog the media with an absurd still water submarine.
  The worst crevice they had to get through were just big enough for an average man to get through.
  That’s why they sedated the boys, To prevent water enclosure panic. All they had to do was hang on to the rope and breathe through the mask.
  It was a triumph.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Maggy, this will appeal to the sorts of wankers who drive his cars. They are not very nice people.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:37pm
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Or aspire to drive his cars, like Simon Bridges.
    
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    July 16, 2018 1:08pm
    - Paulus
      
      Simon does not have a Tesla !
      A dual motored Mitzi I believe.
      
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      July 16, 2018 1:34pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Well that may be true, I don’t deny it, I don’t care, all I am stating is that this closeted eco-socialist answered the question: if you could drive any car what would you drive, with the word “Tesla”.
        
        But your saying he drives a hybrid? How interesting.. Another meaningless virtue signal?
        
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        July 16, 2018 2:24pm
Catons

Clark is so crooked that if he swallowed a nail he would shit a cork screw.
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July 16, 2018 8:57am
- VicParking
  
  No wonder Winston loves him. “Clark pass the Cork Screw the sun is over the mast head”
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
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  Catons, based on what set of facts?
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:12am
  - Inandout
    
    You want a set of facts:
    Muslims hate and often kill gays.
    Muslims are terrified of pork.
    Muslims worship a child molester.
    Muslims are teetotalers.
    Muslims think dogs are filth.
    Muslims don’t have sex with Muslim girls until marriage.
    Muslims make demands to keep themselves exclusive, such as halal food.
    Muslims are afraid of sunlight shining on their head man in the form of cartoons.
    Muslims will go as far as killing those who don’t agree with their cult.
    Muslims will kill Christians in countries where they can get away with it.
    
    There are more facts out there but these are starters.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
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      ross411, as the US President’s tweets, testify.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:26am
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      Inandout , halal food no different to Jewish Kosher food that includes a ban on eating pork.
      
      The prophet was not a child molester.
      
      Teetotalling like other Christians such as Mormons and Brethren
      
      Ceritan fanatics like ISIS kill gays.
      
      Certain Muslims like ISIS kill others who don’t agree with them.
      
      etc, etc, etc
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:32am
      - Swifty
        
        He was no prophet.
        
        He made it all up – even his missus knew.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:19am
      - Swifty
        
        *one of his missus’
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty , like Jesus ?
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:41am
      - Swifty
        
        What do you think?
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:43am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Jesus had no wife, or wives. At least as far as we know. Nor did his brother James, though other brothers (and possibly sisters though I don’t think he had any sisters) did have children and grandchildren.
        
        The Romans claim to have executed the last of Jesus’s family during the Bar Kosiba uprising around 134-136 CE. There were (it is said) simple farmers but the Romans were concerned that they could be used as figureheads and so had them killed.
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:24am
    - paul scott
      
      If you need to write on facistbook about Islam, beware the destroy bot.
      Code the word Islam and Muslim . Those words appearing in a single sentence with kill, or molest etc will earn you a ban.
      Say something like Iz a lam > Mazlim > easy for human hard for the bot.
      Getting banned from Fascist book is good however.
      GAB is developing well.
      A lot of conspiracy stuff, but more than enough reality for me.
      
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      July 16, 2018 12:24pm
Manolo

Upsetting some Brits:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-sparks-fury-posing-12914158
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July 16, 2018 8:58am
- Inandout
  
  Wow, that would get them out on the streets on a Friday. If he ignores the establishment the Left will love him.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:23am
Newbie

Does anyone know if the police have arrested – or are they still investigating – anyone in relation to the the death and rape threats made (allegedly) to Marama Davidson?
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July 16, 2018 8:59am
- stephieboy
  
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  Newbie, I wouldn’t put it past certain unhinged alt-righters here on KB and elsewhere to do just that.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:05am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Name names or shut your noise hole.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:07am
  - Manolo
    
    That is an outlandish accusation on your part, stephieboy.
    Produce facts before you dare to accuse anyone.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, anyone has a chance who has a conscience!
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:15am
  - thedavincimode
    
    chirrup … chirrup … alt right … alt right … chirrup
    
    More budgie speak from the filthy little perv.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:11am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Thedavincimode:
      
      Could you possibly come up for something for Stephieboy as memorable as Johnboy’s poem about Philu, which had the catchy phrase:
      
      Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
      Phil the magpie said.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, borrowed from Dennis Glover I suspect?
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:17am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Well, yes, Johnboy said “With apologies to Dennis Glover” before launching into his Philu poem…
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:21am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Nostra, Mr Sheepshagger’s epic tale will never be surpassed. A poetic masterpiece.
        
        As for sb, I wouldn’t even waste my time. ure is a bludger and a loser but at least he didn’t hang around in malls perving at little girls. sb is a truly disgusting and revolting individual.
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, I hope the Police follow up your suspicions, stephieboy.
    
    Why don’t you hand them a list of your likely suspects?
    
    As you have labelled me as mad/ delusional on a number of occasions and you have repeatedly referred to me as an alt-righter here on KB, I won’t be surprised if the cops may come calling at my address.
    I expect they will also want to inspect the KB website.
    
    I have no problem with DPF handing over all of my communications on this site.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:04am
- Keeping Stock
  
  She’s gone very quiet on that front. Quite why people would have been sending HER death threats when it was GOFF they were pissed off with makes me wonder whether she was simply attention-seeking.
  
  Of course, if death threats WERE made to her, that is a very serious matter indeed, and as a law-abiding MP, I am sure she would have made a complaint with the police and provided screenshots…
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Well GG, Greenpeace and Greens in general have a rather relaxed attitude to telling the truth if it advances their cause, so perhaps Marama has been a little generous in her relating of these death threats to the public.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:45am
JIV

When today’s events are written in the history books, do you think Donald Trump will have the same standing as Margaret Thatcher. The economic reforms are/were drastic and unpopular, but necessary to kick start their respective country economic might.

Economic reform is always unpopular when its in the present. Anyone can hand out taxpayers money to the unions and their voting public. But that doesnt do the country any favours.

Thatcher will always been regarded as evil, but Britain benefited greatly. The same will be said of Trump in the future.
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July 16, 2018 9:09am
- ross411
  
  We’re reaching a time when it is becoming more and more apparent that “news” organisations are forwarding an agenda and are biased. In Thatcher’s time this was less obvious. It’s more likely that in retrospect CNN and other left-wing propaganda outfits are looked at with ridicule along with the desperately deluded dingbats driven to derangement drinking their distorted daily deliverings.
  
  Look at Farrar, he went from being in full-blown Trump Derangement Syndrome calling Trump a despot to reining it back. More and more only a minority of sad sacks buy the hardcore Trump is Hitler or has “dictator tendancies”.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:17am
  - stephieboy
    
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    ross14, and you call Fox and Breitbart reliable?
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:18am
    - ross411
      
      ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:24am
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        ross411 , forgot to mention Infowars.
        
        LOL
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:34am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      No he is not. That’s why he never mentioned Fox or Britebart.
      You are a retard.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:24am
    - Harkman
      
      Fox is one of the fairer broadcaster out there right now CNN is a joke.
      
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      July 16, 2018 12:51pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    CNN is tanking so bad it will disappear up its own orifice very soon but never too soon.
    
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    July 16, 2018 1:16pm
- Peter S
  
  Those who dislike Thatcher are either ignorant of or choose to forget how bad things got under Wilson and Callahan. I lived through it (pre teen) and the whole country was on the verge of collapse.
  Thatcher had her faults, but was exactly what the country needed at the time.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:19am
  - JIV
    
    The 70s were not a good time for the UK. That could be why there was such an influx of poms to NZ and Australia in that time
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:30am
    - Peter S
      
      I would rank the current government along side that of the 70s UK Labour for the mixture of incompetence and sheer malicious destructive intent.
      If you regard the country like a child, the
      charge of 9 years of neglect that is leveled against National should be countered by the charge of 9 months of abuse by the current crowd.
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:01am
    - Paulus
      
      It was in 1975 that we had enough of bloody Wilson and his ilk that we took a transfer to New Zealand.
      No regrets.
      
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      July 16, 2018 1:37pm
  - Philview
    
    I was the same. It was essentially a Unionist coup that shifted power from democratically elected representatives to a few powerful Union leaders. Thatcher had to destroy the power of the Unions.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:36am
    - Local Miller
      
      A little like what we are entering into now. The unions are powerful and Leidour are cow towing to their wishes, pushing the country to destruction. Will take a strong, potentially unpopular National leader post 2020 to pull us back from the brink.
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:03am
      - Philview
        
        I agree Local,
        I was looking at the news last night and we have the Minister for Regional Development with at least a billion to spend, no accountability, seemingly most going to 2 constituencies where NZ First is popular. The South Island may get 1%. This is not normal politics and I hate to think what the long term consequences will be. New Zealand has long been touted as perhaps the least corrupt country on the planet but we seem to be moving in a different direction now.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:18am
    - KevOB
      
      That will be repeated here.
      Judith Collins?
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:42am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Do you think May is quietly suggesting to Argentina that a small invasion might be really useful about now?
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:47am
    - Peter S
      
      Timing would be a bit off and not work too well as the carrier and aircraft are not ready yet.
      What May should do is a full “handbag waiving Maggie” on the EU.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:56am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Those carriers will never be ready. The UK cannot afford the planes or crew for them to become operational.
        The operation to recover the Falklands would have been impossible if the Argentinians had invaded just a few months later, as the Brits had sold one of their aircraft carriers. Thirty-five years later, the UK armed forces are much weaker even than that.
        
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        July 16, 2018 12:04pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Trump is no Thatcher. Under Thatcher, people who wanted stuff had to first earn money by doing work. Under Trump, there is a massive budget deficit which means people are getting stuff but their children will have to pay the bill.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:12am
  - paul scott
    
    Nigel, Rome wasn’t built in a day.
    
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    July 16, 2018 12:26pm
Peter S

I was just thinking that the current government is something of a horror movie, so wondered about a suitable title.
Maybe “The Mummy” or possibly “The Mummy Returns” though whether this refers to Jacinda or Winston is open to question. Who is worse, the undead or the brain dead?
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July 16, 2018 9:23am
Catons

My saying about Clark shitting a corkscrew is a saying I think that came from Lyndon Johnson who had many crude expressions.
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July 16, 2018 9:23am
dime

Wasnt that Trump balloon a massive success!

After a week or world media coverage they managed to get almost 500 people to watch a balloon fly 40 feet in the year.

Inspiring stuff.
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July 16, 2018 9:25am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I also thought the Anti Trump protest was very family friendly with the transvestite presenter and all.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:29am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yes, and from all of the interviews we now know that “Trump is a very bad man”. Thanks guys, you’ve made a “difference”. *snigger*
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:33am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Then they realised he wasn’t in London so they had to pull it down, pack it up and move on to Scotland.
  And they reckon he’s the idiot.
  Meanwhile how much did all that fruitless nonsense cost Greenpeace and how many Polar Bears could have been saved with the money?
  
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  July 16, 2018 1:19pm
Hugh Pavletich

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THE DEAD CENTRE OF CHRISTCHURCH …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/links-16-july-2018/#comment-3146142

… The Bureaucrats Bog … Who cares ? … Check general comments tone and low volume …

Rallying cry to support retailers struggling through lean winter months | Liz McDonald | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/105436381/rallying-cry-to-support-retailers-struggling-through-lean-winter-months

Christchurch leaders are urging residents to get out of their homes and support CBD retailers through the lean winter months.

With a gloomy start to winter and no imminent international events on the calendar, some central city businesses may struggle.

It is understood some landlords have lowered retail tenants’ winter rents to help them stay afloat during the traditionally quiet June and July. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Earlier The Press article …

… A few further lessons from Greater Christchurch … (The GREATS are the smaller and therefore functional Selwyn and Waimakariri Councils) …

Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town

It was supposed to be a post-quake phenomenon, yet there is little sign of it slowing. Why are rural fringe towns like Lincoln still growing so fast? JOHN McCRONE reports.

The contrast is striking. In central Christchurch, Fletcher Living is taking forever to get going on its East Frame townhouse and apartment block development.

Government and council have agreed that denser inner city housing is vital to making a success of the earthquake rebuild. Yet despite inking a deal with Fletcher to build nearly 1000 homes back in 2015, the first 20 properties won’t be finished until late this year.

The buyers just don’t seem to be there for them. And so the East Frame development has been uphill all the way.

However, take the road half an hour out of town to Lincoln and the story is the opposite. This once sleepy village has exploded with subdivisions. Its residential footprint is now 10 times what it was 20 years ago. … read more via hyperlink above …

READ MORE:
* Rolleston: Time to take it seriously
* Christchurch’s $600 million motorways
* Christchurch’s next problem: bringing residents back into the CBD
* Government ‘locked in’ to contract for delay-riddled east frame

… April 2014 article by Hugh Pavletich …

Christchurch Failure – The Long History | Hugh Pavletich | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00200/christchurch-failure-the-long-history-hugh-pavletich.htm
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July 16, 2018 9:29am
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  You posted the same comment yesterday. Exactly the same – word-for-word and link-for-link. Have you run out of new material?
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:34am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Nostradamus, as the saying goes, “no one made a statue to a critic ”
    
    Outline some of your ideas for resolving the housing affordability and shortage issue without resorting cut immigration to the bone formulas?
    
    It was posted late in the evening way past your bedtime.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:39am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      Hugh likes to present himself as a housing affordability expert. I’ve tried to engage in discussion with him several times, seeking to clarify his views, but he can’t seem to do anything other than copy and paste text.
      
      What are your suggestions for increasing the housing supply?
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:41am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Nostra … the particular topic here is the failed former central area of Christchurch.
        
        It is a very serious bureaucratic shambles indeed … far worse than the Liz McDonald / The Press article suggests.
        
        It is a mobility and parking nightmare.
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:46am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Hugh:
        
        the particular topic here is the failed former central area of Christchurch
        
        Do you have a proposed solution?
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:22am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Nostra … My views are very well known. I have written extensively on these issues over many years.
        
        I suggest you start by reading “Christchurch Failure – The Long History’ via link above … which incorporates links to some of the earlier articles too.
        
        We had earthquakes in Christchurch … followed by political and bureaucratic disasters.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:34am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Hugh:
        
        My views are very well known. I have written extensively on these issues over many years
        
        I’d be grateful if you didn’t ask me to click on a link that goes back into the past (as you usually do) but instead summarise your proposed solution in, say, 3 dot points.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:39am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  How to fuck a CBD:
  1/ Let anti-car left wing planners dictate how it will be laid out.
  2/ Wait.
  
  People have voted with their feet in Chch. Convenience of easy access and free parking at urban malls have trumped anti-car zealotry. CBD is done-for.
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:51am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Urban Neocolonialist … The big question is … why have the former Central City people let the political and bureaucratic bozos walk all over them ?
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:05am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Obviously because 5-10% anti-car/leftie/greenie/cycling zealots form a dominant electoral block in low-turnout local body elections.
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:24am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Yet not in the adjoining Selwyn and Waimak Council areas … where by far more Greenie types live on lifestyle blocks.
        
        You need to read my 2014 article ‘Christchurch Failure – the Long History’ via link at the bottom of my first post this morning … up – thread.
        
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        July 16, 2018 10:42am
    - KevOB
      
      I think they have gone too. I see the empty mid city lots–I don’t see the people. Retailers nightmare?
      
      Do planners believe that they really do control the future? People seem to have rebuilt their lives elsewhere. Why should they return to where their homes were swallowed up and the wasteland?
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:56am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        KevOB … They foolishly shut down the former central area for 2 years.
        
        How long would they shut it down if the Alpine Fault let go ?
        
        Videos show devastating impact across South Island if Alpine Fault ruptures | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/103970504/videos-show-devastating-impact-across-south-island-if-alpine-fault-ruptures
        
        … Access further information via google search ‘alpine fault’ …
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=0tFLW7G6Fsa08QWdko6gCg&q=alpine+fault&oq=alpine+fault&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
        
        The alpine fault last let go in 1717 … which happens rather consistently at 300 year intervals apparently.
        
        The local small 4 September 2010 event and the 22 February 2011 event lasted about 20 sec eack.
        
        The Alpine Fault one is expected to run on for minutes. One shudders to think about the liquefaction and likely destruction.
        
        No wonder people and businesses are locating out to the South and West in particular.
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:13am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The Alpine fault is 100’s of km from Chch. Even an 8+ Alpine Fault earthquake will likely be less severe in Chch than the 2011 earthquake was. And current building stock has been well tested.
        
        It’s towns at ends of long-lakes, perhaps some hydro-dams + Greymouth that are going to be in trouble.
        
        It is quite feasible to build in liquefaction affected areas – just have to build houses that are of equal mass to the earth their foundations displace – like a boat that floats at same level in an earthquake. Foundations are cheap, and add little to a building’s cost.
        
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        July 16, 2018 12:18pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Urban Neocolonialist … Sadly … your comments on the risks / consequences for Christchurch and other centres if the Alpine Fault ‘let go’ are grossly irresponsible.
        
        It should be a matter of national security that satisfactory standards of urban affordability and mobility are restored as soon as practically possible.
        
        We desperately need long overdue political leadership at both central and local level on this hugely important issue.
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:08pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        There have been lots of big earthquakes along the Alpine Fault in the last 200 years.
        1848 – Marlborough, estimated magnitude = 7.5
        1888 – North Canterbury, estimated magnitude = 7.3
        1929 – Arthur’s Pass, estimated magnitude = 7.1
        1929 – Murchison, estimated magnitude = 7.8
        1968 – Inangahua, estimated magnitude = 7.1
        2003 – Fiordland, estimated magnitude = 7.1
        2009 – Fiordland, estimated magnitude = 7.8
        
        Earthquake energy spreads out into the earth following an approximately inverse square law. Double the distance quarter the magnitude. With Christchurch about 100km away at closest point, though mostly a lot further away. That means about 1% shake as from 10km in lyttelton for same size quake. ~7.8 Murcheson earthquake did little damage in Chch 150-200km away.
        
        Being 100-200km away drops the effective earthquake magnitude by about 1.5-2 points, your 8.x feels more like a 6.x Eg the 7.3 1888 North Canterbury earthquake, didn’t do much major damage other than the cathedral spire.
        
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        July 16, 2018 1:52pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Urban Neocolonialist … We are talking here about ‘the big one’ running right up the Alps … which occurred last time about 300 years ago in 1717.
        
        The length of time the shaking runs on for is the major concern.
        
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        July 16, 2018 3:54pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Given the number of 7+ earthquakes that have fired off in last 200 years, particularly from Arthurs Pass to Blenheim there won’t be as much pent up energy.
        
        Building codes are steadily improving, as buildings are gradually replaced the problems created by the big one will diminish.
        
        It is small town South Island where commercial building stock is 50-100years old and uneconomic to replace that will be hit hardest. Greymouth, Oamaru, Hokitika, Westport etc.
        
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        July 16, 2018 9:04pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Article from 25 May 2016 … (how did Wellington perform with the Kaikoura event … many were surprised how poorly buildings performed on weak ground with minimal shaking) …
        
        Alpine Fault quake ‘more damaging’ for plains | RNZ News
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/304705/alpine-fault-quake-%27more-damaging%27-for-plains
        
        The Canterbury Plains could suffer more damage in an Alpine Fault quake than some areas closer to the fault, say researchers – and it is not alone.
        
        Brendon Bradley, professor in earthquake engineering at the University of Canterbury, has created a computer simulation of the likely impact of a magnitude 8 earthquake on the Alpine Fault. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 17, 2018 1:49am
- KevOB
  
  The earthquake has happily de-centralised Christchurch.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:49am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Spot on KebOB.
    
    Christchurch people know that high density is deadly.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:57am
- paul scott
  
  Hugh Pavletich has long been the voice of sanity w.r.t. housing Nation wide, and our Christchurch problems.
  Just now we have the >
  Go North team , and the Let’s dump them all in Rolleston team.
  The best team to be with is the team on the Emirates flight.
  Taking a continuous thrashing from EQC and ChCh City Council , that is what many of us have done.
  At the time of the earthquake Bob Jones said simply
  >”Christchurch is dead, flee” > or similar.
  He was right. There is no recovery>
  Noone is going to support the inner city. Most of us will not even go there.
  First the earthquake and now the Council.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:37pm
waikatogirl

4 kiwi babies have died from syphilis passed on from their mothers. Yes, boys and girls, syphillis is back! The MOH has issued a warning.
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July 16, 2018 9:35am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Let me guess. The mothers were not gainfully employed shall we say? Living in hard circumstances, making do with meager entitlements from the government? Being heroically single? We need to give them more wrap around support?
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:48am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Actually due to increased sexual opertunity it was well known as a disease with the rich.
    
    A list of mad Kings anybody?
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:18am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Also, love that they used to try to cure it with mercury –> if the syphilis doesn’t make you mad, the mercury will… that’s where the saying “mad as a hatter” and Lewis Carroll’s character comes from… they used to use mercury in the felting business and the hatters often went mad. (Random useless factoid for the day)
      
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      July 16, 2018 2:32pm
- DigNap15
  
  Anything to do with our new immigrants?
  Some areas of NZ look like third world slums.
  Who let them in and why?
  
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  July 16, 2018 9:49am
- MrTips
  
  This has been on the radar for while. Not just the syph but also gonorrhea and herpes. Its not a immigrant thing – NZers, particularly those in the swath from the Wairarapa north seem to be putting things where they shouldn’t, into multiple folk, with reckless abandon. And the antibiotics are struggling in more than just some cases. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76088358/New-Zealands-worst-regions-for-STIs
  
  HIV is still primarily an active gay man’s virus. https://www.nzaf.org.nz/hiv-aids-stis/hiv-aids/hiv-in-new-zealand/
  
  We never learn it would seem
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:01am
- DJ Ward
  
  This is the danger of compliacancy.
  The western nations nearly eliminate the disease but not completely or ignore its presence in the 3rd world. We aslo have had a few generations who haven’t experienced or witnessed its effect on people so millennials don’t have a clue.
  The not making the disease extinct when the human race had the chance will only result in the surviving strains being more resistant to the cure.
  It’s not only syfhilis but all the old school sex nasties are on the comeback with a vengeance.
  
  I’ve got the same statistical chance of my missus putting out as Stephieboy has of engaging in sex with a human, so no worries for me.
  
  I do have concerns for my children as we could end up with a no sex outside of marriage society agian. No try before you buy. No drunk social gatherings in the sauna. More strictly controlled political youth groups. No chance of the wife inviting a friend to stay the night. Increased dangers of beta males losing thier virginity with hired professionals.
  
  This is not good news.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Worldwide syphilis has been on a downward trend for decades
  
  https://www.healio.com/infectious-disease/stds/news/online/%7Bc07be2a3-c2d4-4f0a-9790-5abf0875a786%7D/global-syphilis-prevalence-declines-over-3-decades
  
  Countries where it is on the rise…
  USA, NZ, China, Russia, Ireland, UK, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, Czech Republic.
  http://www.cobas.com/home/news-room/news/syphilis-the-return-of-a-historic-disease.html
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:33am
- Pharmachick
  
  Actually chlamydia is the bigger worry – although syphilis, if it doesn’t cause still birth can cause nasty malformations including saber shins and mulberry molars.
  
  Edit to add: Chlamydia is the bigger worry because resistance is higher. Spectinomycin is falling (has fallen in a couple of strains on the US east coast)
  
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  July 16, 2018 2:29pm
secondcumming

Bumper-Sticker on black Audi dropping off boy at Kings Prep this morning…..

I’M OVER BRIDGES
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July 16, 2018 9:39am
- dime
  
  heh didn’t know Judith had a kid at kings
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:47am
- paul scott
  
  Judith Collins.
  And then the 3% social conservatives who voted NZFirst will return.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:40pm
DigNap15

As regards affordable housing.
There was a builder on New Hub the other who built three nice homes in Hawkes Bay for about 400K each including the land.

He was a Maori guy and seemed to have some good ideas.
He mentioned, plans and project management.

He needs to be in charge of Kiwibuild.
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July 16, 2018 9:47am
- calendar girl
  
  But we’ve already got Mr Twyford in charge of KiwiBuild. What could possibly go wrong there?
  
  Already 30 houses under construction for the programme (not built by Government, of course, but purchased – land and newly-constructed homes – ‘off the plans’ from a private developer, McLennan). Good luck to Mr McLennan who saw this Minister coming; he’ll never again enjoy such a beneficial ‘commercial’ deal in his lifetime.
  
  Soon we’ll see these first ‘KiwiBuild’ homes changing ownership from Government to beleaguered ‘first-home’ buyers who can fetch up with mortgage deposits of around $120,000 (i.e. this country’s typical poor and homeless) and who can also win a lottery draw. The anticipation that we are all experiencing of social justice now coming within our country’s reach is overwhelming.
  
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  July 16, 2018 11:03am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so; just as a senior Toll executive is reported to have said “You only get one Helen Clark in your lifetime” after the Labour government bought Kiwirail from Toll at a greatly inflated price 😀
    
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    July 16, 2018 12:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ontario Government cancelling 758 wind & solar contracts….. will save its ratepayers $790 Million.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/758-renewable-energy-cancelled-1.4746293
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July 16, 2018 9:49am
- DJ Ward
  
  Wait a second up tickers.
  Are you sure this is a good thing?
  
  There’s more to what’s happening than appears.
  These aren’t all massive projects. These are mostly small projects. The contracts are about supporting a new power generation philosophy. One were many contribute and create far better resiliency to the network.
  This act in its entirety is about protecting the corporate electricity producers while eliminating the structures that make new alternative energy providers able to conduct Buisiness.
  
  A school may have a present cost per kW/h for power. It invests in solar that provides all its power needs on average vs it’s cost of purchase. So it’s financially a viable decision if the economics result in a cost less that the commercial price.
  These contracts now fail due to the withdrawal of the Structual and Bureaucratic support. The ability to sell excess into the system at wholesale rates.
  
  For example we have a network with a small number of producers. If a line caries a minimum use of 1 MW past a location then there is no reason why a max 1 MW solar, or wind, or wave, or geothermal etc power plant couldn’t be built their. It doesn’t need infastructure to be built for it.
  Here in NZ you have to have Large MW output to be even considered to be allowed to supply to the network.
  No matter your opinion on alternative power production. What is happening here is anti competitive behavour.
  We pay more because we restrain innovation. Enabling it is different vs subsidising it.
  If it is subsidised we pay but stifle true innovation.
  If it’s enabled we pay nothing and the tech must stand on its own feet economically to exist.
  
  We are underperforming compared to our potential.
  
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  July 16, 2018 11:19am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Uh yeah, economics mate. Solar power is uneconomic. The sun is the solar systems largest nuclear reactor, and the PV systems is basically akin to building a reactor on earth, sending it to the moon, then pointing a PV system in the general direction to collect the power.
    
    By the time the vissible light and other energy waves from the sun hit earth they have dissipated to almost nothing. Then that small residual heat energy in combination with the tidal forces of the moon create our weather patterns etc..etc…
    
    Its simply more effective to either use nuclear power directly, or burn naturally generated hydrocarbons.
    
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    July 16, 2018 1:14pm
KiWombat

Hardly worth mentioning anymore, but we’ve just ticket over to a 75,000,000 tree deficit ! Seems somebody is short of a few shovels – or is it the people who know how to operate them ?

Perhaps they are all getting their first year free honing up shovel handling skills !
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July 16, 2018 9:52am
- waikatogirl
  
  Can’t get the shovel operators off the couch? Limited number of seedlings available? Suitable land not forthcoming? All of this plays a part we assume but but no statement from Shane on the subject. He’s too busy trying to spend a $1b to worry about a few promised trees.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:15am
- Harkman
  
  Anyone see Shane Jones’s rural fund? Only 1% for the South Island, most Northland. What a scam.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    Shane and Winston need the billions to buy a seat in Northland – waiting to find out which one to ensure that NZF get back into Parliament as on their own they will never get above 5% although it is rumoured that the Greens want to push the % lower to ensure their return.
    They do not have Shane’s billions.
    
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    July 16, 2018 1:44pm
Sarkozygroupie

Newsflash!
No longer do we have Jacindamania,

Courtesy of the Media we now have:

“Jacinda Red” (the new hue of the Labour Party signage)

and….. WAIT FOR IT…..

“Feminist Icon”.

No really. Jacinda Ardern is the Feminist Icon of the 21st Century!!!
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July 16, 2018 10:03am
- stephieboy
  
  Like, say All on Red and GOP red?
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:57pm
- Longknives
  
  Jacinda a Feminist Icon?
  She was pretty amused when her friend Tom Scott wrote a rap song about raping a young girl…
  From memory she tweeted her support!
  
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  July 16, 2018 2:42pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Yes Longknives.
    
    Jacinda had a baby and Andrea Vance said that makes her a FEMINIST ICON.
    
    Andrea Vance is kindly explaining the theory of Cause and Effect. Employing Deductive Reasoning. Giving us Analytical Optics. Take your pick.
    
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    July 16, 2018 5:54pm
Fletch

Hosking praises Trump’s UK tour.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12089664&ref=NZH_fb
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July 16, 2018 10:04am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  So he’s endorsed by the leading intellectuals then.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZyfIkXrblM
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:21am
  - Inandout
    
    ‘An intellectual is a person who’s found one thing that’s more interesting than sex’. Aldous Huxley
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:41am
    - Jack5
      
      C’mon Morrissey, update your Groper list – with Trudeau.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:20am
- MCos
  
  People like Hannity, Limbaugh and I suspect Southern & Peterson make outrageous amounts of money peddling contentious conservative points of view.
  Hosking has latched onto the same sort of thing and probably finds that the the bigger the reaction he generates the bigger his bank balance.
  I remember reading about a run of the mill engineer with the gift of the gab who dreamed up a conspiracy theory about how the twin towers and associated buildings were rigged with explosives. The guy made a plausible movie for YouTube and went on lecture tours and made millions out of bullshit.
  Same sort of thing. Just telling people what they wanted to hear for profit.
  That’s Hosking to a tee!
  
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  July 16, 2018 2:30pm
  - trout
    
    And Al Gore doesn’t??
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:08pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Gore: “I was the next President of the United States of America”
      
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      July 16, 2018 3:36pm
DigNap15

I was disgusted at Corrin Danns comments on his intro on Q&A yesterday.
Talk about extreme bias.
Anti Trump everything
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July 16, 2018 10:05am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I’ve suggested before that you shouldn’t watch or listen to things that affect you so emotionally, snowflake.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:34am
  - DigNap15
    
    I can handle it!
    I just worry about people who may be swayed into believing the trash Corrin Dann comes up with
    Surely we are entitled to some objective balanced reporting on OUR tv.
    
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    July 16, 2018 10:53am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It is a hallmark of many delusions that the suffering individual believes himself to be the sane (‘objective balanced’) one.
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:30am
    - Poppa
      
      Yes we are entitled to some balance but I am sorry Dig you are not going to get it.
      
      There has been an almost complete takeover of media by the left
      
      Save the grief & turn it off like I have
      
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      July 16, 2018 11:32am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Stay in the Kiwiblog safe space.
        
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        July 16, 2018 11:36am
- paul scott
  
  People like Dann are a big help. Equal and Opposite reaction. Moderates are moving away from the hysterical left in droves. This will follow in NZ.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:45pm
- Longknives
  
  How is Dann’s wife going with her personal crusade to ban Alcohol sales in Supermarkets?
  Seems the Dann family are very,very Righteous Lefties…
  
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  July 16, 2018 2:41pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Dann’s wife has/had a problem with alcohol. Guess she finds all those shiny bottles too tempting to pass by when out doing the weekly shop?
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:25pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Banks face cash squeeze as fund managers, households draw deposits … Australian Financial Review … behind paywall …

https://www.afr.com/business/banking-and-finance/financial-services/banks-face-cash-squeeze-as-fund-managers-households-draw-deposits-20180715-h12pf6

… via rj2kOOO comment on thread …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/links-16-july-2018/

Australia’s banks will be forced to find an additional $70 billion of funding as superannuation funds shift out of cash into international assets while indebted households draw down on their savings.

The widening of the so-called “funding gap”, which measures the difference between bank loans and deposits, comes amid a crisis-like blowout in short-term funding that is … read more via hyperlink above …
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July 16, 2018 10:13am
- paul scott
  
  There is comment in top link about mortgage
  rate hikes. Sounds nasty . That would flow across here
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:50pm
tedbear

So concerns about “the health and safety of the presenters, staff and patrons” had led to the cancellation of the talk by speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux.

With the health and safety of the presenters, staff and patrons being paramount, that should pretty well prevent all future concerts, sporting events and conferences.
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July 16, 2018 10:30am
- redeye
  
  It was only Peace Action FFS. I know some guys that would have happily policed their protest for free.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:45pm
- waikatogirl
  
  But Goof said cancelling was due to “40% of Aucklanders were of a diverse culture and would be offended.”
  Guess H&S is a better defence for his court date?
  
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  July 16, 2018 3:28pm
  - srylands
    
    In 1633 Galileo was silenced by the Catholic Church because his views caused offence. He came close to being burnt at the stake, but was still detained for many years, shortly after which he died.
    
    It is not up to the mayor of Auckland to decide who gets to speak based on his view of what is offensive.
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:37pm
Jack5

Europe’s “migrant” crisis continues.

This could blow the EU apart.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/989202/eu-migrant-crisis-italy-news-germany-merkel-czech-republic
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July 16, 2018 10:56am
- Manolo
  
  Good on the new Italian government for trying to repulse the African invasion.
  
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  July 16, 2018 11:12am
Jack5

Bridges defends former Chinese intelligence network worker Jian Yang, calls him a highly valued member of Parliament:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/361896/nz-s-defence-strategy-risks-wrath-of-china-simon-bridges
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July 16, 2018 11:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I was frankly a bit surprised at the petty topics DPF chose to make a big thing about this morning, rather than Bridges’ astounding comments about how we need to suck up even more to the Chinese Communist party.
  
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  July 16, 2018 11:32am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, that is a particular problem for the National Party, whose Auckland branches have developed strong links with China.
    
    However, it’s a problem for both main NZ political parties, with Chinese donations flowing into them.
    
    And it’s an opportunity for a new party of the Right after a bunch of failures to take off and with the fossilising of ACT.
    
    Sinicisation is a word that’s going to feature in future political studies of New Zealand.
    
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    July 16, 2018 11:48am
  - realityczech
    
    “astounding comments about how we need to suck up even more to the Chinese Communist party.”
    
    They are not far enough left for milky.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:06pm
- paul scott
  
  Soy Simon, please just pick your time to go.
  Judith can do it properly
  Jack . Yes. Big problem.
  I am in Thailand.
  Here every child is in debt to China
  Us next. .
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:52pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    @paul scott
    
    “Here every child is in debt to China”
    
    From the look of your blogs and various online ramblings you seem to take a very deep interest in children in Thailand.
    
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    July 16, 2018 2:03pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Hey, ex-g… have a care. That’s a fairly serious allegation to be sidling up to. Take the high road.
      
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      July 16, 2018 3:41pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        I am taking the high road.
        I don’t have much time for men of his ilk.
        
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        July 16, 2018 3:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        You’re doubling up on your allegation, ex-golfer.
        
        You are posting under a pseudonym about a poster who seems to be posting under his own name.
        
        We owe it to our blog host not to get him into danger of litigation.
        
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        July 16, 2018 4:37pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        @Jack5
        I dont believe I alleged anything actually.
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ok, so you aren’t implying anything by:
        
        you seem to take a very deep interest in children in Thailand
        
        combined with
        
        men of his ilk
        
        paul scott writes a load of crap, but you should have the guts to own your accusation.
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:51pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You think Judith Collins would be more capable of standing up to the Chinese Communist Party than Simon Bridges? What a wag you are.
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:06pm
Manolo

Who will run in 2020?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/us/politics/democratic-presidential-candidates-2020.html
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July 16, 2018 11:11am
- Nermal
  
  It’s Chelsea’s turn. You read it here first
  
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  July 16, 2018 2:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Wrong dynasty. I think it’ll be time for a Bush again – Billy Bush.
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:10pm
Jack5

Elon Musk attacks British Thai-cave diver who rubbished his “submarine”. Musk calls the man a “pedo”.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/thailand-cave-diver-dismisses-elon-musk-s-mini-sub-offer-as-a-stunt-20180715-p4zrme.html

and

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955753/British-caver-helped-save-Thai-boys-says-Elon-Musk-stick-submarine-hurt.html
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July 16, 2018 11:32am
- secondcumming
  
  Yeah….and where the fuck was Elon when Jesus was stuck in a cave?
  
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  July 16, 2018 11:47am
  - Jack5
    
    Elon’s battery was flat.
    
    Any reports on how Musk’s giant battery for the South Australian grid is coming along?
    
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    July 16, 2018 11:55am
- realityczech
  
  This tells us all we need to know about Musk and his Tesla driving supporters.
  
  He is an egomaniac who preys on those with more money than sense. His toy car company loses a fortune in spite of receiving a fortune in tax payer welfare. All his companies fail to deliver. He is a fraudster and a con artist.
  
  Musk is a scumbag and so are Tesla drivers.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:26pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Not to be confused with Telstar drivers please 🙁
    
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    July 16, 2018 12:43pm
    - realityczech
      
      No you guys are a lot more down to earth ✓ 🙂
      
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      July 16, 2018 6:08pm
- Jack5
  
  The Hooerald, in a “comment” article lashing Elon Musk for his comments about the diver, brings in Trump.
  
  It likens Musk’s attack to what Trump might say.
  
  The NZ media are obsessed with Trump.
  
  No wonder America won’t let our aluminium and steel in without penalty.
  
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  July 16, 2018 8:53pm
ross411

Am I the only one that thinks that we should encourage accountability and behaving in safe ways in our youth? Or heaven forbid, an attempt to think things through and not cause danger to yourself or others?

If not, then why are a team of kids who went deep into a cave, with not a thought for getting lost or stuck or whatever, heralded as near heros? One man lost his life because of their risky behaviour and ill-considered actions.

Do I blame the kids? No I blame the parents of the kids, the guardians who were with them and the desperate to appear relevant news media. This is typical media whitewashing in much the same way is done to push the dangerous virtue signalling for Pike River entry, at which bad money is being thrown after more bad money. Little good will come of it.
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July 16, 2018 11:34am
- paul scott
  
  ross411. Not so fast.
  The boys teacher intended for three hours for both in and back. The cave slopes downward at the start then upward, then all over the place.
  Rain was not predicted. It quickly sank from the mountain surface and covered the lower parts of the cave . They were forced inward to a higher position. The rescue position was well further in by necessity. The man in charge kept the boys in a very good emotional frame work.
  We do have a saying over here called > This is Thailand < a bit casual but it is meant to cover a multitude of sins.
  
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  July 16, 2018 1:02pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Ross11
  Breathe through your nose.
  
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  July 16, 2018 5:05pm
Jack5

The Hooerald has a low opinion of its readers’ knowledge.

A report on the murder of an NZ family in West Australia is illustrated with a map showing where Perth is.
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July 16, 2018 12:01pm
- waikatogirl
  
  19 year old male has been arrested. He lived with the mother and the 2 school age children. Another young woman found in the garden has since died. A pair of scissors in the garden with blood on them.
  Condolences to the families.
  
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  July 16, 2018 12:50pm
- DigNap15
  
  I noticed that.
  I see the accused is a New Zealander (or rather a guy of probably Maori descent)
  It really is time that all people with physcotic tendencies were take off the streets here in NZ.
  They are too much risk for us all.
  
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  July 16, 2018 6:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I fear such a sweeping round up would deprive us of your entertaining comments here on Kiwiblog.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:39pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Winston: The Day of the Jackal.
    Jacinda: Bad Jelly The Witch.
    
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    July 16, 2018 9:05pm
realityczech

A thoughtful and erudite summary of Elon Musk.

http://is-a-cunt.com/2018/02/elon-musk/
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July 16, 2018 12:44pm
Manolo

Isn’t multiculturalism great?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5956427/French-fans-home-abroad-erupt-celebration-sides-second-World-Cup-triumph.html

Hundreds of police in riot gear were discretely lined up on side streets to monitor revelers. Typically, celebrations in France end up with some broken shop windows and other destruction, and Sunday was no exception.

Tear gas was lobbed at one point on the Champs-Elysees. About 4,000 police watched over the fan zone – packed to its 90,000 capacity – during the match, then moved to the Champs-Elysees and neighboring streets.

About 30 people, many wearing ski masks, broke into the Publicis Drugstore, leaving with bottles of wine and champagne, smiling and filming themselves with cellphones.
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July 16, 2018 12:58pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, let’s not forget goal scorers Kylian Mbappé and Paul Pogba,
  
  https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/15/17568650/croatia-france-2018-live-results-scores-lineups-world-cup-final
  
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  July 16, 2018 1:07pm
  - Manolo
    
    No issue with those two great players, who seem as French as a croissant. However, your Islamic mates do not seem to assimilate very well.
    
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    July 16, 2018 1:23pm
  - MrTips
    
    Mbappe is Paris born, of Cameroon/Algerian descent. Pogba was also born in Paris to Guinean descent. He is Muslim. Mbappe is not apparently.
    
    Michael Jones is Samoan and a Mormon.
    Tana Umaga is also Samoan and probably wishes the Blues were Mormon too.
    
    Whats your point?
    
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    July 16, 2018 1:54pm
  - Jack5
    
    Congratulations to the France team.
    
    But to console Croats and NZ Dallies, if there were another contest, this time to find top First Ladies, it would be Croatia 8, France 0.
    
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    July 16, 2018 2:33pm
- Longknives
  
  I just watched the footage of those Rioting ‘Fans’ in France.
  Funny how they are all…
  
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  July 16, 2018 3:05pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Grateful immigrants?
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:41pm
UpandComer

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-15/former-cia-officer-clinton-involved-biggest-treason-history

This is quite good just as a refresher.

Remember, Mueller was in charge of the FBI when it protected one of the most treasonous actions in history. Read this to remind DPF now and then 🙂
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July 16, 2018 1:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  UpandComer , why should we believe you heavens only knows. During the weekend you I believe posted misinformation about this Wolverhampton rape and murder suggesting that it was recent and committed by young Muslims thugs. Kurds I think.
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/teenage-boy-charged-with-murder-of-14yearold-girl-found-in-park-a8306526.html
  
  Would you like to add further information about this crime?
  
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  July 16, 2018 1:17pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Too late. Already moved on to Sophie Loesch.
    
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/06/german-refugees-welcome-activist-murdered-after-hitching-ride-with-moroccan-truck-driver/
    
    I’m sure it’s all fake news.
    
    Not a single Muslim or Black on White crime is ever real Stephieboy.
    
    She’s alive somewhere watching basketball with a basketball American.
    
    Or smoking Hookah.
    
    She paid the toll. She can hand it over to the boatman.
    
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    July 16, 2018 2:49pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      If you burn the coal, be prepared to pay the toll.
      
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      July 16, 2018 10:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The majority of Kurds are Sunni Muslim.
    https://thekurdishproject.org/history-and-culture/kurdistan-religion/-
    
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    July 16, 2018 4:16pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Sqwark
    Squirrel
    Trumpeters
    
    Ooo, Stormy ….
    (You know that’s not her real name, eh Galah)
    
    (BTW: How’s she going with her defence that allowing the customers to paw her while she’s pole dancing is ‘non-sexual touching’?)
    
    Alt-right
    Alt-right
    Sqwark
    
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    July 16, 2018 5:15pm
MrTips

Gee, I wonder what party this enterprising chap voted for? more than once…..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105513989/christchurch-faces-trial-accused-of-voting-multiple-times-in-2018-general-election
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July 16, 2018 1:24pm
Surely Knott

Greens running a local government hui. With talks by Cathy Casey, workshops on getting informed on local politics issues and how to encourage good people run for Local govt. Hopefully National is on to it and will be getting their ducks in a row as I’d really like a bit of a change! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSekxvgFILzDi5xsIl3cij7y9yJFFRlKCfLDmrvvx4br8TpMTg/viewform
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July 16, 2018 1:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good old Shane;
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105514486/pay-for-it-yourselves-nz-first-mp-shane-jones-savages-haps-papatnuku-proposal

Still, I rather fancy a giant Earth Mother statue.
http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/en/exhibitions/permanent_exhibitions/mezzanine_level
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July 16, 2018 2:07pm
- Longknives
  
  Surely a Statue of Jacinda Ardern ‘Mother of our Nation’ (and first woman ever to have a baby and hold down a job etc etc) would be more appropriate?
  
  Could you imagine? Such a monument would eclipse Rio’s Christ the Redeemer as a tourist attraction…
  Each gnasher alone would be the size of an Easter Island Moai!
  What a sight that would be to behold…Let’s do This Comrades!!
  
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  July 16, 2018 3:02pm
  - Poppa
    
    Great idea LK they could turn out the lights on the Shore & just use the light reflection from the dental area.
    
    The savings would probably pay for the statue
    
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    July 16, 2018 3:26pm
    - Longknives
      
      “Great idea LK they could turn out the lights on the Shore & just use the light reflection from the dental area.”
      
      And that’s only with a life size Statue!
      Imagine if we ‘Think Big’ and have a Giant Jacinda towering over the Harbour like the Colossus of Rhodes??
      
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      July 16, 2018 3:38pm
      - Poppa
        
        No problem for Goofy to arrange, ratepayers have got plenty.
        
        Could be the biggest tourist attraction in the world, well ok, maybe not
        
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        July 16, 2018 3:48pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Poppa:
        
        I feel certain that a statue of Helen and Professor Peter would attract tourists from all round the world.
        
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        July 16, 2018 4:56pm
      - nasska
        
        …..” a statue of Helen and Professor Peter”…..
        
        Having her with a face like a twisted gumboot scowling down upon the peasantry might have other flow on effects.
        
        Like depressing the Auckland property market. 🙂
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:10pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      They could put solar panels in the teeth and generate enough power to light everything south of the bridge.
      
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      July 16, 2018 5:18pm
- KevOB
  
  Shan’e reaction will be reflected throughout maoridom. This is tribal.
  
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  July 16, 2018 5:17pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    TV1 news showed a mock-up of the proposed design of the statue on Bastion Point. Selling it as similar to the Statue of Liberty is very misleading. It is a giant ‘totem pole’ with maori tiki and other designs carved into the side, with a disappointedly small (in proportion to the pole) figure standing on top. ?
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A huge statue of Maui or other mythic voyager would be OK, Colossus of Rhodes style, so long as it wasn’t too stylised. Medieval Polynesians were incredible navigators, went everywhere from Sub Antartic isles to South America to Christmas Island and Madagascar. Worthy of celebration.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BjfaV89T8j4/WuqrTggujII/AAAAAAAAFzI/4X-IX_YNqMUUDpEuWmvnrBMJoroAVZ2AgCLcBGAs/s1600/httpjapan-forward.com8th-pacific-islands-leaders-meeting-what-should-be-on-the-agenda.jpg
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:32pm
    - sooty
      
      It’s a big phallic design. Labour deviates will be beside themselves over this. The alphabet soup will come from all over the world to see who will be the first to sit on the top. Fisting comps around the base. The list goes on.
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:28pm
Jack5

China’s ageing population problem.

A good article in the South China Morning Post:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2155366/chinas-ageing-population-problem-worsens-birth-and
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July 16, 2018 3:15pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “The birth rate [in China] fell to 12.43 births per thousand people last year – down from a record high of 12.95 in 2016.”
  Ref: https://knoema.com/atlas/China/Birth-rate
  
  How about in Japan?
  Birth rate of Japan fell gradually from 19.4 per 1,000 people in 1967 to 7.8 per 1,000 people in 2016. Crude birth rate indicates the number of live births occurring during the year, per 1,000 population estimated at midyear.
  Ref: https://knoema.com/atlas/Japan/Birth-rate
  
  It looks like the birthrate in China is still a lot higher than it is in Japan…
  
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  July 16, 2018 4:37pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What can be done to fix Japan’s birthrate problem? Is it terminal?
    
    Universal free childcare (creches/preschools/afterschool programs, staffed by vast armies of elderly)? Cash bonuses?
    
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    July 16, 2018 8:24pm
Odakyu-sen

“Two people have died after being swept off rocks at Muriwai Beach in West Auckland.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12089957

I wonder if the victims (a man and a woman) are a couple of tourists, or are recent immigrants unfamiliar with the West Coast beaches, or are a local couple?

Do you think that the Ministry of Tourism could do more to alert tourists to hidden killers in this country, such as the West Coast beaches and sand. I recall a case (a few years ago) where newcomers unfamiliar with West Coast sand had driven a 4WD at high speed, then lost control when they ran into a patch of soft sand. (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/nor-west-news/72030543/Muriwai-4WD-tragedy-reveals-dangerous-driving-on-beach)

Could more be done to alert people to the deadly dangers in this Southern Pacific Paradise?
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July 16, 2018 4:25pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Odakyu-sen:
  
  the Ministry of Tourism could do more to alert tourists to hidden killers in this country
  
  Hidden killers?
  
  A simple statement on a glossy tourism brochure, such as “Don’t walk down South Auckland streets at night as hidden killers could be waiting to bash, rob and rape you”, should do the trick, you reckon? 🙂
  
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  July 16, 2018 4:41pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Nostradamus,
    
    I was referring to the perception gap between: a) the image of “Clean, Green and Overflowing with Wonderful Nature” that the Ministry of Tourism promotes and b) the unreported dangers of West Coast beaches, sand, the risk of hypothermia in cold, wet NZ bush, etc.
    
    Health & Safety should demand, for example, that all visitors from countries with coral lagoons be instructed that it is highly dangerous to attempt to wade out into the West Coast surf (due to rips and the freezing water).
    People from nations where tearing along the sand in a 4WD is socially acceptable must be informed (in no uncertain terms) that NZ wet West Coast sand is a guaranteed vehicle-flipper.
    
    How can the NZ government expect to put warning labels on soda pop but fail to inform visitors of the health and safety issues of the Kiwi environment?
    
    Where is the consistency?
    
    //
    
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    July 16, 2018 4:57pm
    - nasska
      
      What’s the point in promoting ourselves as the adventure capital of the world if a few tourists don’t knock themselves off. Hell, they might drink a Coke or Fanta too.
      
      The wankers want to come here & take risks. If they’ve got the coin let them fill their boots!
      
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      July 16, 2018 5:04pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Exactly Nasska.
        
        We’ll throw in a free shovel if things turn pear-shaped for them and a six-foot hole is required!
        
        Odakyu-sen:
        
        I was being somewhat flippant. Yes, I understand your point, but ultimately there’s a point at which tourists have to take responsibility for their own safety. If a tourist needs a sign to warn him or her against straying off a path, and going into an unsafe area where the ground could crumble, then… he or she should stay home!
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:15pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”a free shovel”…..
        
        Free!! You’ve thrown my costings out.
        
        I was going to sell them the shovels. 🙂
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:20pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Student plunges 40 metres to death while taking selfies at cliff tourist spot in Australia
        
        A student fell to his death from a cliff while taking photos at a popular tourist attraction in Australia. The 20 year-old was reportedly posing for selfies with friends when he slipped off the 40-metre precipice at The Gap, near the historic port town of Albany.
        …
        The site was briefly closed two years ago to add a viewing platform and railings and warning signs near the edge.
        
        Actually, bugger it, here’s a detailed list: List of selfie-related injuries and deaths
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:22pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Nostradamus,
        
        Note the “//” marks at the bottom of my post.
        I am only half serious.
        
        Nevertheless, for people living somewhat sheltered lives, it can be a bit of shock to experience New Zealand raw.
        As for me, personally, I love the good old-fashioned Kiwi common sense (despite it becoming a rare commodity here in Auckland nowadays).
        
        I find the West Coast beaches humbling and majestic. It is absolutely wonderful to walk along the beach and be the only person there.
        You don’t know how lucky you are…
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:44pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Note the “//” marks at the bottom of my post.
        I am only half serious.”
        
        Odakyu-sen, stop confusing the white barbarians with your foreign ways.
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You don’t know how lucky you are
        
        Now, that would make a great song line…
        
        True as well, not that reading Kiwiblog would persuade anyone that NZ is anything other than some kind of communist hell-hole
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:58pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        NZ is … some kind of communist hell-hole
        
        I always knew you were a glass-half-full sort of guy, Mike!
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvMeT2GC14
        Misery guts might want to say to the contrary.
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:13pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Nevertheless, for people living somewhat sheltered lives, it can be a bit of shock to experience New Zealand raw.”…..
        
        Risk is relative Odakyu-sen. In the mid 80s four of us formed a partnership to develop a forestry block out near the Wairarapa Coast. For my part I spent three years on a D7 carving access tracks up & along ridges & using a roller off the winch to crush the scrub. When I wasn’t doing that I was spreading screened river run to give all weather access.
        
        It was dangerous work but like anything you pays your money & takes your chances.
        
        The fun part was towards the end when we were trying to sell the block. Various investor groups were interested & some wanted site inspections.
        
        Watching Queens St farmers sitting in & on the back of the Hi Lux turn green while I was chauffeuring them up & down the tracks made it all worth while. 🙂
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I haven’t been to Muriwai/Piha lately, but there had been warning signs about slippery rocks, etc…
  There are numerous resources available in PI and Asian languages warning of dangers around our coasts and waterways.
  http://www.watersafe.org.nz/family-communities/resources-and-learning-materials/new-settler/
  
  Perhaps there is not so much available for tourists.
  
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  July 16, 2018 5:31pm
  - realityczech
    
    Maggy, has anyone done an estimate of how many signs we will need to cover the entire NZ coastline and water ways with warning signs? We also might need a few on buoys scattered around the ocean, just to be sure.
    
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    July 16, 2018 5:39pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Realityczech:
      
      we will need to cover the entire NZ coastline and water ways with warning signs
      
      Which languages will make the cut?
      
      Another option is that iwi could provide tourism liaison officers – funded by an overseas tourist levy. Another revenue stream that allows them to diversify away from the Te Tiriti grievance industry.
      
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      July 16, 2018 5:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        All warning signs about natural hazards should be in Te Reo. That way 99.99% of us can ignore them.
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’ve just done it for you, RC.
      
      Coastline 15,000km long…. one notice board at 500m interval….
      30,000 noticeboards.
      
      Length of waterways in NZ ….10,000km
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_of_New_Zealand_by_length
      One notice board at 500m interval…
      
      20,000 noticeboards.
      
      So I reckon we need at least 50,000 large signs, NOW.
      
      Perhaps we could go into business together whacking them up (We could consider bringing Penny in as a consultant… she has experience with making large placards).
      
      I’ll apply for a start-up grant from Shane (perhaps we should put a few more up North?)
      
      You could design the don’t drown logo for the signs.
      …
      
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      July 16, 2018 6:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        We could just drop land mines around the edges. Word of mouth will take care of the rest.
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:26pm
Jack5

The madness continues …

A new no-no from the diversity PC mob: do not say “as you know.” It might make some listeners feel dumber than others and make them feel inadequate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5954595/Bath-University-academics-urged-stop-saying-know-case-students-feel-inadequate.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5954595/Bath-University-academics-urged-stop-saying-know-case-students-feel-inadequate.html
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July 16, 2018 4:32pm
Jack5

Crime chaos in a South African township. Mobs burn people they accuse of being rapists.

Man admits in video interview to raping “21 to 24” women to spread HIV that he suffers from.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-44824738/south-africa-s-diepsloot-township-my-neighbour-is-a-rapist
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July 16, 2018 5:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Its the rape capital of the world so they better have plenty of fuel.
  
  Burning people alive has been a cultural practice since it was introduced by the convicted terrorist and communist activist Nelson Mandela. That was how he dealt with his black political opponents when attempting to enslave Africans under a communist regime.
  
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  July 16, 2018 5:20pm
realityczech

It is startling how the media spin this compared to when a woman commits these horrific crimes. If this were a woman they would portray her as the victim ( not the murdered people) and give contact details to Woman’s Refuge etc below the article.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/105520649/perth-murders-triple-murderaccused-suffers-psychotic-episode-in-court

That is what the media did when an Australian woman (“dotting mother” [sic] ) stabbed 8 kids and a pet duck to death. The woman was a “victim”:

“The doting mother first killed the family’s pet duck, then turned on the children — four boys and four girls, aged between two and 14 years.”
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July 16, 2018 5:16pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep, mad, bad Samantha Lewthwaite – the “White Widow” is getting just down-the-page coverage now for her plans for women suicide bombers to unleash chaos in Europe.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955915/The-White-Widow-recruiting-suicide-bombers-attack-Spanish-beaches-summer.html
  
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  July 16, 2018 5:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    Jacksie that is not quite the same thing. If you want to hate on religious groups then just do it. I don’t think suicide bombers are a domestic violence issue outside of Mt Roskill anyway.
    
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    July 16, 2018 5:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      ?Holy Hell, RealityCzech, you think the White Widow is a lesser danger than a violent female partner or wife?
      
      You think serial bombers like her are misunderstood religious folk?
      
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      July 16, 2018 5:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Only if you live with her Jacksie. You know what they say about the crazy ones though 🙂
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        Imagine living with Samantha Lewthwaite …
        
        Why are all the clocks going missing dear? What are all those wires and white plasticky stuff on the table?
        
        Yes, I definitely agree we shouldn’t cuddle when you have that belt on.
        
        No, you’re right and I’m wrong. Sex isn’t the biggest blast.
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:53pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Sex isn’t the biggest blast.”
        
        I bet you are fun at parties Romeo
        
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        July 16, 2018 5:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Realityczech, I bet not even you would try it on with mad, bad Samantha Lewthwaite.
        
        Under her hijab, I bet, is a knife big enough to slice off your penis, and perhaps a hand grenade and a pistol.
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:54pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  What do you expect from Australia and their kangaroo court system. For 30 years not one person appointed to serve as judge in Tasmania was legally appointed. Therefore all their trials were invalid.
  
  The State of Tasmania maintained the ‘rulings’ reardless of the fact that none of their judges had any legal powers to precide over trials, as paying reperations and issuing retrials would have been ‘inconvenient’.
  
  Then we had the state services just ignore the electoral requirements in australia for citizenship, it was embarassing to find out that many of their MPs were not appointed lawfully. Ironically they didn’t review the legislation to determine which acts of parliament were valid and invalid as a result.
  
  Of course if you can make one exception for the law, you can make another, and another, and another, and sooner or latter it isn’t what the law says that matters, it is what the judge feels is important.
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-03/tasmanian-magistrates-not-sworn-in-correctly-for-30-years/6369774
  
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  July 16, 2018 5:31pm
Odakyu-sen

A couple of days after calling up Spark about billing, I got this automated e-mail requesting that I participate in a Spark service satisfaction survey.
At the start of the online survey, I was given the option of language selection. There were 5 options: English, Maori, Hindi, Chinese and Korean.

I would love to know the percentage of Maori-option language selection and online completion in Maori of the questionnaire.

If no-one actually uses the Maori option, then why have it? Why not a Farsi, Urdu or Arabic option instead?

Seriously. Why bother with the Te Reo option if it is never used? (Maybe there is a clause in the Treaty of Waitangi about mandatory language options in on-line surveys?)

What do the rest of you think?
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July 16, 2018 6:31pm
- realityczech
  
  “What do the rest of you think?”
  
  We prefer to keep our opinions to ourselves thank you.
  
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  July 16, 2018 6:34pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “We prefer to keep our opinions to ourselves…”
    
    Imagine KiwiBlog without opinions! It would be like gin & tonic without the gin and without the tonic, either.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Love the ironing.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:45pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Ironing?
      Sorry mikenmildagain. I am totally lost. What is this “ironing” thing?
      
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      July 16, 2018 7:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s what he does when he has to smooth over the flaws in his argument.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p23mA2VV0A
        
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        July 16, 2018 8:22pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Odakyu-sen:
        
        Mike wants to impress you with his variation on “irony”. It’s a code that lefties know and use to identify each other in unsafe spaces!
        
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        July 16, 2018 8:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That would be true, Maggy, if there were a flaw in my argument. Or if I had been making an argument at all.
        
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        July 16, 2018 8:53pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Why bother with the Te Reo option if it is never used?”…..
  
  Hey bro! It’s about the feelz. Okay? 🙂
  
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  July 16, 2018 6:42pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    An opinion! (Great).
    Okay. The feelz. No I get it.
    
    I sometimes wonder if this whole country doesn’t run on “feelz.” (Or too many marketing graduates running the show.)
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:44pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    It’s about the feelz
    
    Eva Rickard organised a protest at Raglan Golf Course and eventually it was “given back” to the iwi. Raglan Golf Course subsequently became known as Raglan Gorse Course (due to a lack of upkeep).
    
    And, so too, the Te Reo option on a telephone hotline would fade away due to a lack of use.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:50pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Seriously. Why bother with the Te Reo option if it is never used?
  
  Perhaps one day Japan will be conquered and colonised by foreigners, Nihongo will fall out of general use, and at that point you can ponder this question in a more realistic way.
  
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  July 16, 2018 6:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    “conquered and colonised by foreigners”
    
    Will they slaughter them all like the Mouldy did in the Chathams Milt?
    
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    July 16, 2018 7:06pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Who knows? Maybe all the Kea will be wiped out one day, too.
      
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      July 16, 2018 7:09pm
      - realityczech
        
        milky I think they are protected.
        
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        July 16, 2018 7:12pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Psycho Milt,
      Nihongo is alive and well. It has a voracious appetite (like English).
      
      See this link from time 2:00 onwards.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3BYCK-3jPc
      
      Japan will deal with its problems on its own terms and will continue to be Japanese.
      
      If New Zealanders had a stronger sense of national identity, I don’t think that that they would give in so easily to cultural and ethnic replacement.
      But then, if you don’t value something, you will not worry much when you have lost it.
      If it’s any consolation, although the older generation can remember when times were different, the youth will know no different. Life goes on…
      
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      July 16, 2018 7:42pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s a bit laughable to complain about a weak sense of New Zealand national identity compared with Japan – an ethnostate for millennia.
        New Zealand’s national identity is an uneasy amalgam of cultures that still struggles to deal with concepts such as colonialism and nationhood.
        So, vising Japanese might look down their noses and think New Zealand should be more like Japan. Good luck to their chauvinism.
        
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        July 16, 2018 8:16pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Oh, the New Zealanders had a very strong sense of cultural and ethnic identity, but that didn’t prevent them suffering cultural and ethnic replacement to the extent that one of the replacements could comment on Kiwiblog that their language had no place in New Zealand.
        
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        July 16, 2018 8:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky says: “New Zealand’s national identity is an uneasy amalgam of cultures.”
        
        Very Western, though Milky. The English language is dominant, and NZ has English law, broadly an English Parliamentary system with German-type voting, English-style education, an English cadastral system imperative for land ownership and transfer, American popular culture, Western science, British type military, Western agriculture, and Western trade (yes, there was a small pre-colonial trade with Australia in agriculture as well as exports of flax and human heads, but the mechanism of trade – from container shipping down to bills of exchange and letters of credit – is Western).
        
        Apart from provisions built into the Parliamentary system for Maori, and the Waitangi Commission to sort out Treaty difficulties, Maori culture in NZ is largely ceremonial, and the Maori language keeps slipping towards a status of being a minor relic.
        
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        July 17, 2018 12:13am
      - Jack5
        
        The video about Japan that Odakyu-sen links to in his 7.42 post is very interested about 4min 30sec in on GDP per capita.
        
        It states there is almost no correlation between population growth and GDP per capita.
        
        I wish the politicians and journo’s who babble on about pure GDP would look at this.
        
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        July 17, 2018 1:11am
      - DigNap15
        
        NZ does struggle with our National identity, partly because a large percentage of our population ie Maoris identify as Maori first, or their tribe first.
        
        What is our culture – Rugby playing, black singlet, farming?
        
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        July 17, 2018 10:05am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    No it won’t Psycho Milt, Japan has a very stringent immigration policy, they have decided to keep Japan as a Japanese country for the people of Japan.
    
    So there won’t be any big changes in ethnic composition in Japan, unlike in NZ where we are comitting Ethnic Suicide demographically speaking.
    
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    July 16, 2018 7:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perhaps we should be forbidding immigration, from Europe, America, Africa and Asia, and encouraging Maori fertility and increased immigration from the Pacific to restore more of the traditional ethnic balance you crave for Aotearoa.
      
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      July 16, 2018 8:18pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      …Japan has a very stringent immigration policy, they have decided to keep Japan as a Japanese country for the people of Japan.
      
      Aah, so that’s where the Māori went wrong, they simply lacked a stringent immigration policy. General Cameron would have been fucked if they’d thought of that one, eh?
      
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      July 16, 2018 8:22pm
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      No psychomilt, Maori did very well, in exchange for selling those lands that they ‘owned’ or had ‘territorial exclusivity’ over to anglo-saxons they benefited from a 2,000 year leap forward in technology, morals and human rights, they gained access to a much larger job market and global trade.
      
      Plus anglo-saxons ended canibalism, and slavery and animalism, and brought rule of law, an end to tribal warfare, and christanity to these people.
      
      Why if we could find a group of people 2,000+ years technologically ahead of us, like a interstellar space fairing peoples that were going to treat us in accordance to the principals of common law and human rights, and they werent going to steal our stuff and genocide us, and they were willing to provide the same benefits that Anglo-Saxons provided to maori then that would be fantastic.
      
      Who wouldn’t sell useless space rocks for a 2,000+ year leap forward in technology, access to an interstellar jobs and goods and services markets? Technology which is so sufficently advanced that it appears as if it were magic!
      
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      July 16, 2018 9:37pm
- Longknives
  
  “What do the rest of you think?”
  
  If a language can’t be kept alive by it’s own people then just let it die.
  Think of the money wasted on this ‘Te Reo’ nonsense that could have been spent on actually important matters..
  
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  July 16, 2018 7:34pm
  - DigNap15
    
    What other language has a strange name not related to its people.
    Eg Hungarian is spoken by Hungarians.
    But Maori speak Te Reo.
    
    Its a small language with a very limited vocabulary and should be kept as a ceremonial language (if that)
    
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    July 17, 2018 10:03am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-harbou

So which Government implemented this plan ?
National, or this current crappy lot ?
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July 16, 2018 6:41pm
Nostradamus

It’s a pity that DPF seems to have removed the comment counter feature. It was easy to spot the new lefties in the neighbourhood, with their low comment count, trying to impress us!
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July 16, 2018 6:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh noes! You might have to assess comments by the quality of their content.
  
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  July 16, 2018 6:47pm
  - realityczech
    
    I assessed yours by content milky and they were all shit.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:49pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Thank you for being such a devoted reader, Kea.
      
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      July 16, 2018 6:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        The replies virtually write themselves after reading your lefty drivel milky.
        
        I do think you are capable of better. Perhaps you could speak with Labour HQ about being allowed to try some of your own stuff?
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:56pm
      - nasska
        
        Don’t get discouraged Mike. Accept our gentle criticism as inspiration to do better. 🙂
        
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        July 16, 2018 6:59pm
- nasska
  
  Fair point Nostra. Yet for some of us who were getting a bit embarrassed about our tally it’s all good. 🙂
  
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  July 16, 2018 6:48pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Mike seemed proud of his comment tally for some strange reason that apparently had nothing to do with productivity!
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:51pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, it’s all very upsetting really.
      
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      July 16, 2018 6:56pm
  - realityczech
    
    The counter probably got lost after a Police, SIS or GCSB incursion. Don’t underestimate how low they will sink.
    
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    July 16, 2018 6:51pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Are you sure it wasn’t a Russian hacker?
      
      They are very fashionable add-ons to your website this season.
      
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      July 16, 2018 7:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        It was gay Muslim communist cyclist Russian sleepers working in the SIS
        
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        July 16, 2018 7:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Keep up with the play, Kea. No Russkies here, it’s the Chinese Communists who have taken over our political parties.
        
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        July 16, 2018 7:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        milky we know you are disappointed the Chinese have experimented with the hated free market but you have to let go of that and accept the Communist Party is not as far left as you.
        
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        July 16, 2018 7:42pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yellow peril? Report for re-education mikey.
        
        Sadly I agree with you. The west is hopelessly outmatched by china’s state coordinated open and surreptitious efforts to garner power, influence and ultimately supremacy throughout the world by it’s expats, state and commercial financial interests.
        
        With at least 10’s but possibly 100’s of thousands of chinese govt hackers working to gain advantage for china throughout the world and vast numbers of expat chinese sending purloined info to the PRC we are putty in their hands.
        
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        July 16, 2018 8:17pm
  - Longknives
    
    I’ll own up.
    My ‘Speedometer’ was stuck on the same number for about six months.
    I’m far more of a grizzled veteran than my comment tally might suggest..
    
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    July 16, 2018 7:30pm
Prince

Duncan Garner makes a fool of himself believing David Clark just popped across the Tasman to help his family settle in for a holiday.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/07/truly-pathetic-duncan-garner-blasts-simon-bridges-for-david-clark-comments.html
As if the little lady can’t possibly manage on her own.
Of course we now know the whole family were summoned back by higher powers because being on holiday while nurses prepared to take to the pickets is ‘bad optics’ for the minister.
Expect a full retraction from Garner tomorrow !
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July 16, 2018 8:30pm
nasska

Never die a virgin…….when you get to heaven they make you fuck a suicide bomber!
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July 16, 2018 8:58pm
- DJ Ward
  
  I’m sure that your theory needs more investigating. Perhaps all the different gods live in thier own multiverse.
  Therefore good atheist virgins are fine.
  Christian nuns will be stuck with priests.
  Jews sent to hell are billeted with Hammas.
  Muslim virgins marry even younger in heaven due to age appropriate shortages.
  
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  July 16, 2018 10:22pm
Monique Watson

Fucking Hell, That was Garner in full Bullshit mode. “A good husband and a good father”. Meanwhile shit is running down the walls and Middlemore needs rebuilt.
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July 16, 2018 10:12pm
Jack5

Hong Kong’s property market is in a bubble, and Hong Kong is considering further restrictions on purchases by non-residents.

There is also a proposal, yet to be ratified for Hong Kong apartments left unsold for more than six months to be taxed at twice the annual rental income, or about 5 per cent of the unit’s value.

In China itself, where prices are roaring despite the country having 50 million empty homes, a property tax is on the Government agenda for this year.

Auckland’s property bubble must be the only one in the Asia-Pacific region where locals deny the inflow of money from China is petrol on the fire.
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July 16, 2018 11:11pm
- DJ Ward
  
  The $500 billion US trade surplus has to go somewhere. Imagine what the US dollar would be worth if nobody wanted them from China. Now there’s a bubble.
  
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