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waikatogirl

The 8 year old girl in the Waverly accident yesterday has died in Waikato Hospital overnight. Now 7 dead from one crash. The girls mother, in Wellington Hospital is still fighting for her life. The husband and their new born baby died at the scene along with 4 elderly in the other car.
Condolences to the families.
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June 28, 2018 8:04am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Just awful. Heard from a copper mate of mine who attended that it was the worst he had ever been too. The corner it happened on is one Ive always been wary of, but it sounds like a medical event might have been the cause.
  
  Reminded my 17 year old this morning of the dangers of the road. Got a hug before he left. Sigh. Only so much you can do as a parent right?
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:07am
  - srylands
    
    Yes indeed. I recently had a close call in wet and dark conditions on the highway. I am convinced that my premium tyres saved me.
    
    Unfortunately people are fallible. Which on most New Zealand highways can be fatal.
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:12am
    - rererangihirihiri
      
      Definitely worth spending the extra on the premium brands if one can afford it. Usually get 1k’s of extra km’s out of them as well.
      
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      June 28, 2018 8:25am
      - srylands
        
        Yes I will never need to be convinced again to spend the extra money on premium tyres. They may all look round and black but they are not equal at all.
        
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        June 28, 2018 8:28am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        And get into the habit, if your tyres dont have auto pressure sensors, of checking / inflating them every time you fill up with petrol.
        
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        June 28, 2018 8:45am
  - igm
    
    Who read the disgusting article in “Stuff” yesterday about this crash?
    If ever one had reason to detest Fairfax Filth it was after this lobbying pro-political rant by yet another imbecile attempting to push his vile agenda.
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:02am
  - Monique Watson
    
    It makes you so glad to be alive and your family safe. I hope team that responded get treatment for PTSD. And I pray for everyone to stay safe. The roads need to have extra laning not bullshit wire dividers.
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:58am
    - Jack5
      
      Without trying to divert attention from the scale of the tragedy, I challenge your hope, Monique, that “the team that responded get treatment for PTSD.”
      
      You won’t get past the pay barrier to read the full link below, but in substance, Britain’s virtually chief psychiatrist, whose specialty is PTSD, says recent research suggested that routine counselling could traumatise those who would otherwise have recovered from their experiences.
      
      It seems to me, just an ordinary member of the public, that the trauma-counselling business has become a bit of a con. People got through the London Blitz, the bombings of the German cities, and the fire bombing of Tokyo, the trauma of Leningrad, without counselling.
      
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/dont-offer-counselling-terror-survivors-could-make-trauma/
      
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      June 28, 2018 11:10am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I broadly agree. The emergency personnel deal with this kind of stuff regularly and one would sincerely hope that they have the emotional strength not to break down in tears all the time and need their mummies.
        
        For a member of the public or a resident who came across the scene though, I think it’s a different story. Some emotional support or counselling might well be needed in these cases….. but I would hope that fire, police and ambulance personnel are either picked for their resilience and/or receive training to be able to deal with exactly this kind of situation.
        
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        June 28, 2018 11:28am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Dave – I was talking online to a friend last night who is a volunteer fireman. He says he can usually cope with adult road deaths, but children are very hard to cope with, and he has no idea how he, as a father, would deal with the death of a newborn.
        
        Emergency Service personnel are humans too, not robots. Also spare a thought for the funeral directors who had to transport the bodies away from the scene.
        
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        June 28, 2018 12:08pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  It’s funny because the road toll when people are sitting their driving test is damn near frakin zero.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:11am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Ok – I’ll really put my KB greentick hat on and nail this.
    I suppose the COL are going to solve accidents like this by adding another 10-20 cents per litre fuel tax.
    Bang.
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:22am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Irrelevant. We’re discussing the tragic deaths of 7 people, including a newborn baby. Get some perspective.
      
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      June 28, 2018 8:47am
      - kowtow
        
        Perspective is an interesting thing.
        
        This represents what is the average toll for an ordinary week on New Zealand’s roads.
        
        When some feral shuffles off this mortal coil in a stolen car it is often the occasion of mirth and joy here , and while the gene pool may be improved it will still be a tragedy to some mother or father or child ……….
        
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        June 28, 2018 8:55am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Really ? Where’s the discussion ?
        Comment – seven people died in a road crash.
        And ? Gee – that’s sad.
        Ok – and hundreds die on the roads every year.
        What are you meant to do with that then ?
        Ok – yes, they do. People die on the roads.
        Wow.
        It says general debate.
        I don’t know what other people see on their screens . . .
        I don’t see anything that says it’s a place for national mourning of near daily tragedies.
        If other commenters want to do that – great.
        It’s not immediately an invitation to discuss anything.
        
        It was a head-on. You tell me – if two vehicles each stay on their side of the road, how many people die when they safely pass each other ?
        
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        June 28, 2018 9:30am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I wasn’t suggesting that we all sit down and cry… but really, how is fuel tax relevant to this sad event? That’s what I was saying.
        
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        June 28, 2018 9:34am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        It’s on. The. Tin. Brother.
        ‘General debate’.
        And there you are Moral Superiority telling people to ‘get some perspective’.
        It’s not your blog fella – have you heard of DPF ?
        Look it up.
        
        If you can’t put two and two together – maybe you should find a blog that’s more your level.
        
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        June 28, 2018 9:42am
      - Nookin
        
        I agree with Dave Mann that the political jibe is in bad taste, just as JAG’s tweet politicising the tragedy was in bad taste.
        
        There is some irony in LR&C’s view that this is a general thread and anything goes, yet when Dave Mann expresses an opinion with which LR&C disagrees then he is invited to depart for another blog. Hypocrisy much?
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:09am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Oh dear people . . . and the global road toll today will be . . . how many do you think ? Excuse me while I’m grief stricken to the point of almost ending it all.
        
        That’s a very good question – what is the relevance of increasing fuel tax to road safety outcomes ? Exactly. You’ve said it. What is the relevance ? Only a left-wing lunatic could possibly attempt to provide a ‘convincing’ answer. I could suggest The Standard as first port of call.
        
        General debate is what it is – DPF often has sympathy threads which effectively state ‘no bullshit political comments’. This isn’t one of those. This is general debate on a right-wing political blog. Hello ? People can downtick as much as they fffing want mate. Go hard.
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:21am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        No Nookin – *you’re* saying I disagree with an opinion. You’re also misrepresenting someone by saying they claim that ‘anything goes’.
        
        And saying ‘hypocrisy much’ is tragic. You’re not a teenager are you ? Cheesy teenager much ?
        
        And oh aren’t you just so incredibly clever ? Who’s a clever boy then ? Whatever are you going to point out next ?
        I won’t be happy until you’re feeling a level of smug glowing satisfaction not yet reached by anyone in human history. I wonder if someone can experience a minor heart attack from such euphoria ?
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:31am
      - Nookin
        
        Gee, LWC. Didn’t take you long to exhaust your capacity for debate and descend to personal abuse.
        I am off to golf. Maybe that will give your mummy/carer time to put your toys back in the cot.
        
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        June 28, 2018 11:11am
      - Komata
        
        DM
        
        You might be, but JAG isn’t; she’s taken the opportunity to push her ‘road safety’ wheel-barrow under the disguise of ‘really caring about the victims’. DPF has a separate post on it.
        
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        June 28, 2018 1:57pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Nookin – debate and you being one of the many idiots that is a tryhard trendy cool dude using the dreadful Americanism ‘add much’ phrase ending are not related as you assert.
        
        Gee – angry much ? Look at him – impatient much ?
        Yeah – cool mate. Thin-skinned much ?
        Personal abuse – oh you poor little petal. I’m so glad you’ve got a big grass covered safe space to run away from the big bad commenters on KB.
        
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        June 28, 2018 9:09pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      And playing golf – if that means you’re an older bloke, I’d think you’re a lot closer in time to needing a carer wipe your arse than I am.
      
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      June 28, 2018 9:16pm
- flipper
  
  This is NOT to be taken as a lack of sympathy or apportionment of blame.
  
  But is a tragic example of why the annual “road toll” is absolute PR bullshit pushed by Police, ACC, LTNZ and most politicians.
  Seven dead in a single crash. It could have been two, one or none following that crash.
  As has been known by honest researchers for 50+ years, the numbers are, sadly, a matter of pure chance. Nasty, but facts should faced. 🙁
  Solution?
  Start with the roads and scrap stupid rail. The future is with personal transport, NOT political party/bureaucrat prescribed you will “do it my way’.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:08am
  - MickMac
    
    I agree
    I complained to NZPolice that if best practice was the closer tolerance at holiday time why wasn’t it applied all year round.
    
    I asked was it either a political decision or lack of professionalism?
    
    They never replied.
    at least the DOMPOST printed the letter.
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:27am
- Nermal
  
  Not sure I have sympathy for a family which includes two convicted murderers
  
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  June 28, 2018 2:03pm
mandk

It’s a new low for Loew.
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June 28, 2018 8:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bottom of his Korea?
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:17am
  - mandk
    
    Yes, the kraut is out.
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:28am
    - Peter S
      
      Going to be a few sour krauts around today.
      
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      June 28, 2018 8:52am
- Peter S
  
  From the Daily Telegraph (UK) headline
  Don’t mention the VAR.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:57am
G152

And who was the silly thing who claimed she was going to get the road toll down to zero ?
My condolences to the families of that dreadful accident
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June 28, 2018 8:08am
- oldgolfer
  
  And note that silly thing used the accident as an opportunity to say this outfit was going to spent more money on road safety. Or am I being too cynical?
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:15am
- artemisia
  
  It is Ms Genter’s road toll target.
  
  Unlike Mr Lees-Galloway who no longer has an immigration reduction target. (It was just an estimate.)
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:17am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Yes, I heard that piece too this morning, that it was an estimate. Funny how now they have the power nothing they pledged can be delivered, and things they didnt say they would deliver are being delivered.
    
    Did I miss the memo, is it fucking opposite year??
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:47am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Refer to my 8.18am post below. I cannot believe that Ms Genter could stoop so low as to politicise this tragedy.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:21am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Why are all the ‘experts’ calling for wire rope barriers down the middle of all our roads? Expensive, totally impractical and lethal for motorcyclists.
    A better solution is progressive modernisation of our vehicle fleet by the adoption of a rolling six year age limit on used imports.
    This crash may have been avoided if both the cars involved had the benefit of electronic stability control. At least one of them didn’t because it was 20 years old.
    There is no substitute for modern vehicle technology.
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:51am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Did you note above that on car crossed the centreline and it may have been because the driver had a medical incident. Still seems a very lethal accident even for a head on at 80-90 kph. Modern cars typically protect reasonably well.
      
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      June 28, 2018 8:58am
      - Colville
        
        A local yokel has said that the corner in question has bad camber and pulls you over to the wrong side.
        Given it was -2 overnight it wouldnt be hard to drift over and its all over.
        
        Me, I drive a full time 4WD tank. Corners like its on rails and impossible to skid (unless you really try hard on gravel 🙂 )
        
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        June 28, 2018 9:44am
      - Ed Snack
        
        4WD tank, only goes round corners on rails when actually is on rails . Maybe I read it wrong, but the accident took place around 11 am so no way that ice was involved – maybe if it was shady but the pictures show a wide open bit of road.
        
        So either inattention, medical problem, or something like that. Wonder what make/model of cars, must have folded up and not had multi-airbags and a container crumple zone.
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:22am
      - meh
        
        My family lives fairly close to the crash site, I’ve driven that corner numerous times and I’d hardly call it unsafe or even difficult. It’s in good condition, well cambered and can easily be taken at 100kmh safely by an attentive competent driver.
        
        Odds are someone just made a mistake which has resulted in a tradgedy for those involved (or the medical incident hypothesis)
        
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        June 28, 2018 3:42pm
    - Peter S
      
      Better roads would help too.
      May have not done anything for this crash, but increasing the number and frequency of passing lanes would drop the number of frustration passing related deaths.
      If you compare lane widths in the UK with what we have here you could fit a 3rd lane on 100’s to 1000’s of kms of NZ roads without altering the width of the road. A problem here is a lot of people seem to need a huge gap on the passenger side as they have no concept of their car width.
      
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      June 28, 2018 8:58am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        There are plenty of passing lanes on either side of this crash site Peter.
        
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        June 28, 2018 12:10pm
      - cha
        
        Looking north –
        
        https://screenshots.firefox.com/xrWHyvguRxDAG5Nj/www.google.com
        
        south –
        
        https://screenshots.firefox.com/FvUnSNztwGhCsQWx/www.google.com
        
        google maps
        
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        June 28, 2018 12:45pm
      - Peter S
        
        @Keepingstock,
        As I said, the comment about passing lanes was not directed at this crash, but s a general comment on reducing overall deaths.
        I don’t know that bit of road so can’t comment, except to say it must be an exception, as I have not found any NZ roads that have what I would regard as sufficient passing lanes.
        
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        June 28, 2018 8:55pm
      - Peter S
        
        @cha,
        That view from the South shows a danger from the slight drop. Hit that a bit fast and you get negative g force and low traction just on the bend. Looks an easy one to get caught out on.
        
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        June 28, 2018 9:04pm
    - jcuk
      
      “There is no substitute for modern vehicle technology.”
      Only when combined with human driving ability.
      True … it is nice to drive a modern vehicle but they tend to isolate one from reality.
      
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      June 28, 2018 9:55am
  - MickMac
    
    I can, she’s a Watermelon.
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:28am
- Cobolt24
  
  They put in a target of zero because nobody realistically expects them to get it that low, they won’t be derided if the target (obviously) isn’t met.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:46am
jp_1983

Germany out of the soccer World Cup

Last time Germany didn’t get past the first stage in the World Cup was in 1938 and look how they handled that’s loss.
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June 28, 2018 8:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  Jokes are flying out of Germany think & fast this morning, like:
  
  If, the wind is blowing in the right direction, you can hear both the Dutch & the Italians laughing
  
  Or
  
  Germany, just like a 1980s Mercedes, all style, but all s**t under the hood & No substance.
  
  Or
  
  Germany shirts €99.95 yesterday on sale at Lidl on Monday for €2.95.
  
  My wife’s aunt (she lives in Germany) laughed at the joke about Germany being too weak after Rhamahahn.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:51am
  - VicParking
    
    Don’t know why Italy and Holland are laughing at, they did not even make it to the tournament.
    
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    June 28, 2018 12:17pm
Left Right and Centre

Eh cuz – gots da corn beef man ??
Skip to 5’30” – far man – did they takes da whole shelf cuzzie ?
You know how it goes – a snitch in time saves nine. Nine tins ? I’ve gots to have da beef man – gots to have it – ch-uuuuuur

And da chewing gum – can’t live without some chewing gums – that’s a crime against my humanity rights sir !!
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June 28, 2018 8:16am
waikatogirl

Shane, soon to be ticking over 7million trees behind to be planted. Time to pull finger and get those boys and girls out planting. How many a day can you manage? ?
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June 28, 2018 8:17am
- Harkman
  
  Not so sure I want Shane Jones doing any pulling of fingers. ?
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:58am
- waikatogirl
  
  Oops, not 7 million but 70 million trees Shane!!! You really do have to do more than pretend to be an MP. ?
  
  Quite right Harkman! ?
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:06am
- KiWombat
  
  That’s actually 70 million trees WG.
  
  Tied end to end they would reach the moon – perhaps this government has an idea to enter the space race ?
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:13am
- 4077th
  
  There will be no boys and girls left to do it. Apparently they will all be in training to be builders!
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:28am
  - Harkman
    
    So Winston is running the show and first announcement….. we need foreign labour to build all the KIWIbuild houses. Oh, the contradictions, oxymorons and yes the hypocrisy. This guy stands for nothing, a complete fake.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:41am
    - 4077th
      
      Yes indeed Harkman. Just think, it was only a few months back Mr WO was blowing so much smoke up Winnie’s bum it was coming out his nose. And today, yet another negative article about him. What a good idea it was to go all in on Winston to teach John Key and National a lesson! It does have to be said though that National taught themselves a lesson when Tolley and Bennet fucked up the leak about Winston double dipping his grey hair subs. Winston clusterfucked WO, NZ First and NZ all in one hit. He will go down in history as a tired, old, scrote with no loyalty or scruples. The only good he will ever do is drag the watermelons down with him.
      
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      June 28, 2018 11:56am
Keeping Stock

Whilst I get irritated and shitty-livered from time to time with our politicians, I seldom get genuinely angry. Yesterday was the exception.

Everyone will be aware of the dreadful crash near Waverley yesterday, which has now claimed seven lives. It was right outside a friend’s farm, and my friends, like many in the area, have been deeply affected.

So what got me angry? It was this tweet from Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter:

Julie Anne Genter
‏@JulieAnneGenter

This is incredibly tragic. My heart goes out to all of the families. It’s time to make our roads safer. #visonzero.

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1011782518780002304

Ms Genter’s distaste for roads is well known. But to politicise a road tragedy in this way defies belief. It is not her role to pre-determine the cause of the accident; she should leave that to the EXPERTS in the Serious Crash Unit. The piece of road where the crash occurred is not a particularly dangerous one; if you a travelling towards Patea, it’s a gentle, sweeping right curve.

Ms Genter also linked to a Herald story about the crash which referenced FIVE people as having died. As she rushed to score some political points, a newborn baby was either clinging to life, or the body had not been found amongst the carnage. Of course a seventh person has died overnight; an eight-year-old child.

My sincere condolences go out to everyone involved in this dreadful situation. That includes the Police, Fire and St John Ambulance workers, the funeral directors who have had to transport the bodies, those who live in the immediate vicinity, and those who were first to arrive at the scene. It will have been an horrific sight, and I hope professional help is made available to all those who need it.

In the meantime, my disgust for the actions of Ms Genter, about to become a mother herself, is clear for all to see. I hope she has the wisdom to remove a post which will be hugely offensive to many, and issue an unconditional apology for her lapse in judgment and good taste.
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June 28, 2018 8:18am
- Kabull
  
  10 upticks. Well said.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:22am
  - KiWombat
    
    She’s about to go off on maternity leave as well, so we will get a few months of respite from her ridiculous and demeaning comments !
    
    Signed – “An old white guy !”
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:15am
    - meh
      
      I’d imagine quite the opposite, newborns spend a large amount of time sleeping so with some spare time on her hands the tweet count will increase unfortunately for us.
      
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      June 28, 2018 3:45pm
- Lance
  
  I would have to say JAG is all round obnoxious.-
  In fact I can’t recall the last time she said anything not deeply offensive.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:25am
  - G152
    
    Throw the stupid woman into an ambo so she can see just what an road accident looks like and she can attend with all the skillset she hasn’t got to the casualties..
    Then she can visit the affected as they spend months in treatment and recuperating to a level where they can rejoin society.
    Stupid little wannabe !!!!!!!!!!
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:15am
- Poppa
  
  I could not agree more KS
  
  Genter is a piece of work. Perhaps she could go back to her place of birth & spout her intelligence to them.They might appreciate it more than we do
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:28am
  - holysheet
    
    It would increase the intelligence of both countries.
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:43am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      careful
      Stealing Muldoonisms???
      
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      June 28, 2018 9:03am
    - Cobolt24
      
      Now now, they put in Trump at least, sure he’s not perfect I know but still, he’s a heck of a lot better than the alternative.
      
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      June 28, 2018 9:05am
  - KevOB
    
    Intelligence is independent of wisdom.
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  Well said KS.
  But two down ticks?
  That is unbelievable.
  There are some sick people floating around.
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Or there are some Green Party supporters…
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:46am
    - rangitoto
      
      Same thing.
      
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      June 28, 2018 10:21am
- Longknives
  
  I’m just surprised Genter didn’t find a way to turn this dreadful accident into yet another way to attack ‘Old White Men’…
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:49am
- RF
  
  What a sad pathetic POS.
  
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  June 28, 2018 1:04pm
EAD_TWO

This letter to the Editor from Amy Brooke on why she cancelled her subscription to the Nelson Mail is a must read for all Kiwibloggers.

Shines a great light on the deterioration in our own lugenpresse:

https://kapitiindependentnews.net.nz/goodbye-nelson-mail/

abridged:

It’s taken me a very long time to do this (and I still must follow up my complaint to the Press Council), but I felt at this stage that I had little choice. It’s a shame to see how basically third-rate, non-objective and biased this newspaper has become – as have all in the Stuff stable, I understand, from feedback all over the country……..

The change from quality newspaper writing to feel-good, think-bad, basically trashy print media is a great shame.

This has certainly happened to the Mail under your watch – although to be fair, it had already been sliding downhill.

But it’s certainly accelerated with other under-educated journalists, consistently slanted “news”, and a barrage of utterly one-sided political cartoons – plus the rubbishy “The Little Things”.

Worse has been the deliberate suppression of good, relevant letters when you or someone on your editorial team doesn’t like them…….

They have presented facts which you have not allowed Nelsonians to access – even when it has been a question of correcting highly politicized assertions from those with an activist agenda.

Very well said Amy Brooke
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June 28, 2018 8:19am
- G152
  
  Got a letter from the Horrid offering free papers.
  Said thanks but no thanks I use fire lighters these days as the fire place throws up when your tabloid goes anywhere near
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:18am
- Gravelroad
  
  Aaahh- sunny Nelson- aka Sleepy Hollow when I was growing up there.
  One parent, born and bred Nelsonian from one of the founding families, wouldn’t hear a word against it.
  Nelson has always been a conservative, isolationist, world of its own. Not even the influx of arty hippies and musicians and mung bean eaters has really been able to change the basic notion that Nelson is the centre of the world.
  In times past, the Nelson Evening Mail worked with this and mildly chastised and encouraged Nelsonians to broaden their horizons occasionally, but Stuff don’t give a stuff now about regions.
  Socialist propaganda knows no boundaries.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:07am
- Dave Mann
  
  Many of you will probably know who Amy Brooke is…. but I only just found out about her the other day.
  
  She runs a blog where she advocates some sort of political movement that would oversee government’s actions in a 100 day time period. Honestly, I haven’t fully come to grips with how this could work in practice. . … but she writes extremely well from a right wing perspective and seems to have a good head on her shoulders.
  
  https://100daystodemocracy.wordpress.com/
  
  A sample:
  
  New Zealand went down the road of no return in 2009 when the anti-family, anti-smacking legislation was passed, instigated by a reputedly Marxist Green MP, Sue Bradford; supported by a heavily socialist and dominating Prime Minister, Helen Clark; and scandalously endorsed by National Party leader John Key telling his party members to do as they were told.
  
  But of course our representatives MPs stood up to be counted?
  
  Not one.
  
  Not one of the major parties’ so-called constituent MPs stood up to be counted and to represent the views of their constituents although polls showed that New Zealanders were well over 85% opposed to this ominous and intrusive legislation.
  
  Again, apologies if she’s already a household name… but the blog link might be useful.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:12am
  - MickMac
    
    cheers
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:32am
  - GoVege
    
    The “anti-smacking legislation” was “anti-family”?
    Anything that reduces violence in the home has got to be “pro-family”.
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:54am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Wrong. Smacking a child is not ‘violence’. Sometimes a smack is what is needed to get a child’s attention and teach it. Not beating it to death or throwing it against a wall, of course, nor a punch in the head…. but an occasional quick smack on the leg or the arm to stop it from misbehaving and teach it that the parent means what they say is a necessary tool in bringing up a child.
      
      Toddlers, for example, often get out of control. It’s part of their natural growing phase and if they get an occasional smack when they won’t listen this does wonders in teaching them consequences for later in life.
      
      It’s all about degree and intention. Smacking (if applied correctly) is not violence any more than, say, a cuddle is sexual assault . Get the scale right.
      
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      June 28, 2018 12:16pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s very true…in theory, Dave.
        But in reality, one man’s smack is another man’s bash.
        When you allow any “degree” of violence, you open the door to giving brutes the go ahead to lay into their kids.
        Better to try non-violent means of discipline.
        
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        June 28, 2018 1:59pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        I respectfully disagree, GoVege.
        
        What you appear to be implying is that because some people are out-of-control arseholes, then everybosy should be prevented from smacking their children when it is appropriate.
        
        This is the same logic that says that all plastic bags should be banned because some people drop them in rivers, or all drivers should be banned from using mobile phones in a car because some drivers are careless or can’t manage their hand/eye coordination.
        
        You’re taking personal responsibility off the individual and placing it in the hands of the tribal elders/state. Faulty thinking.
        
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        June 28, 2018 2:11pm
      - Nermal
        
        Wrong. Smacking is violence.
        
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        June 28, 2018 2:11pm
      - Nermal
        
        If you read Dave Mann’s post and replace children with women we have a perfect example of Sharia Law.
        
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        June 28, 2018 2:14pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        That’s brilliant Nermal. You’re so clever to have picked that!
        
        Furthermore, if you read the Koran and replace Isħāq with Isaac you get a perfect example of space aliens hiding behind multiple identities!
        
        I can’t believe we have such an astute mind here on our humble KiwiBlog. Are you Obi-Wan Kenobi by any chance? 😀
        
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        June 28, 2018 2:56pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Sorry… I was being a bit lighthearted there.
        
        On a more serious note, please be aware that I only beat my 3 wives lightly as required by the Hadith when they refuse to perform their connubial duties or if they behave in a sexual manner towards others. Well… OK … maybe if they are caught in a room alone with other men…. but… hey, a guy’s gotta draw the line somewhere, right?
        
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        June 28, 2018 3:20pm
secondcumming

I’m now becoming very concerned about the phasing out of disposable *PLASTIC BAGS* in Supermarkets. God only knows where we’ll do our shopping once the total ban comes in next year!

We do have a corner dairy just a few blocks away, run by a lovely Indian family….when I bought the Sunday papers they assured me they were not going to stop using them. The only problem shopping there is, the continual need to check your change.

Yesterday, my missus was saying that Countdown are now actually selling plastic carry-bags for 15 cents each….. I told her to tell them to stick it up their arse.

Unfortunately, it looks like some countries are taking this whole thing very seriously……I see where Rwanda, Kenya and Mumbai, have now introduced *jail time* for people using plastic bags. That would never happen here…..would it?
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June 28, 2018 8:27am
- Inandout
  
  The Greens driven plastic bag fiasco won’t stop there, watch for other items targeted. I consider plastic bags in our household to have many uses, and are sometimes used more than twice. Try taking a dirty old cardboard box to the checkout and ask the staff to pack it. If the bottom falls out then ask for a plastic bag.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:35am
  - Colville
    
    funny thing with the plastic bag ban (coming soon to pak and save)
    pak and save sells you a bag for 10 cents . its easily the highest margin item in the store probably 1000% markup and they sell thousands of them each day.
    
    will they just start selling packs of plastic bags so you can bring your own? 100 bags for $10?
    
    I know you can buy shopping bags ex china for less than a cent each.
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:57am
  - Fletch
    
    First it was bags, now it is plastic straws that many supermarkets say they will not sell, nor dining establishments provide to guests.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:28am
  - 4077th
    
    I’ll continue to use my plastic shopping bags for my kids lunches, to put the empty recyclables in and to put my rubbish in. I had a note on my recycle bin a while back “reminding” me that plastic bags were unacceptable. So, the note was returned to the bin with “So long as the contents are my property and I continue to segregate recyclables on the councils behalf, I shall do as I please thank you. Would you rather I just put all the recyclables in the rubbish bin?” That was 6 months ago. The recyclables continue to be collected.
    
    Our local Countdown is selling reusable bags for a buck each with the added bonus that you can have them replaced for free once ripped or damaged. I may just buy 1, cut the bottom out of it when I get home and do that each time I go just to prove a point.
    
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    June 28, 2018 12:12pm
    - sam green
      
      What point?
      
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      June 28, 2018 6:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Spam, the point that you virtue signalling intellectual cripples are not saving the planet.
        
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        June 28, 2018 6:52pm
      - sam green
        
        Unlike yourself.
        
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        June 28, 2018 7:48pm
- stephieboy
  
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  secondcumming,
  I guess those plastic bags replaced with either,
  
  1 Biodegradable versions of the same
  
  2 Paper bags
  
  DUH!
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:03am
  - secondcumming
    
    You seem to have missed the point once again steph…..it’s nothing more than a money-making rort by the Supermarkets so they can *charge you* for their bags.
    
    DUH!
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:16am
    - sooty
      
      The amount of plastics in the suprmarket, makes them hypocrites.
      
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      June 28, 2018 9:37am
      - jcuk
        
        Yes Sooty … I am more concerned about the plastic wrapping of items rather than useful plastic bags to carry all away…. mind you I invested in a neat shopping bag with wheels to make it easier for me to not carry but pull the bag into my house when I get home. $20 at the old $2 shop…..
        But families would likely need several wheelie bags from the amount I see in their trollys. [trollies ?]
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @jcuk
        
        plural of trolly is trollies
        plural of trolley is trolleys.
        
        Forming plurals when word ends in y
        Nouns that end in a vowel + y take the letter s:
        Nouns that end in a consonant + y drop the y and take ies:
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:26am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW,
        
        “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — ‘Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.’ — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”
        
        ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
        
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        June 28, 2018 12:12pm
      - jcuk
        
        Thankyou Maggy I missed I was clicking the report button and not the reply buton to thank you for that explanation [10.26 am]
        
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        June 28, 2018 3:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      I have no problem with being occupied with little matters of grammar.
      
      Has kept me in an agreeably solvent manner over the last few decades.
      
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      June 28, 2018 1:15pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Which may or may not be more environmentally friendly, on a full life cycle basis, than the plastic version. Depends on manufacturing and transport costs, how it’s used, whether it’s re-used and how many times, etc.
    
    It’s not legitimate to assume that if people can’t get free plastic bags at the supermarket, they will (a) make the effort to work out what’s the most environmentally friendly approach and (b) scrupulously and conscientiously follow that. If they were prepared to do that, they’d be doing it already.
    
    You need to think about what people who can’t be bothered with all that will do instead. Otherwise there is a very real risk that the environmental outcome will actually be worse, let alone the economic impact.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:23am
    - jcuk
      
      I am separated but often go shopping for groceries with my wife …. I have my wheelie bag while she always has plastic bags at the check0ut counter even when I have offered one of my cloth bags for her to use 🙁
      
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      June 28, 2018 3:14pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy, why don’t you just stop throwing your plastic bags into Auckland harbor?
    
    Most of us don’t do that, so the ban will not save the oceans. 100% of my plastic bags are reused and it is the same for most normal people.
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:00pm
- KevOB
  
  Back to paper bags? They couldn’t be carried reliability and shopping had to be more often. The introduction of the plastic bags was most welcome.
  
  Our bags are not dumped routinely in rivers. Are we going to have to dunk wooden headed politicians there to get sense into them?
  
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  June 28, 2018 1:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  @secondcumming while some countries have started a plastic bag free day each week in a country where they still piss in the street.
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:01pm
Inandout

TV3 are asking us to watch Jesse (June 20) trying to act out shock and horror at Trump’s supposedly removing that child from its parents. If ever I saw a reason not to watch The Project, that is it.
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June 28, 2018 8:30am
- oldgolfer
  
  Jesse is a wet prat. End of story.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:40am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Jesse is a wet ~~prat~~fart. End of story. FTFY
    
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    June 28, 2018 4:19pm
oldpark

Looks like a vote for the “Coalition of Confusion and Chaos” has come through in spades.
The recipe and formula has delivered big time.
Starting with Arderns first port of call was to fast track herself around to the headquarters of the CTU. The the bully boy kneecapping style trade union,the pit bull guardians of the Labour Party.
Her message to them “we are with you all the way in the return to 1970s style industrial relations go for it”.Talk about unintended consequences or were they deliberate.
With Nurses ,Teachers, Police ,and our old friend Public Servants not including Private business employees on the charge for wage increases she has been listened to big time.

Only thing is who pays the money. Employers who take many many chances to make sure their business will be successful to enable them to pay the latest wage demands.

The bad news NZs rockstar economy has taken a massive hit with business confidence crashing like an avalanche. All thanks to the architect and the master of obsfucation and a chaotic tool for over 40 years in NZs Parliament who goes under the name of Peters.He certainly knew the recipe and formula for uncertainy and has delivered big time.What a bloody disgrace for the Nation of NZ and a betrayal of its citizens.
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June 28, 2018 8:33am
- Harkman
  
  The other thing, and you heard it here first, many things that have been stable in price for many years are starting rise. Grocery prices are running faster than wages. The inflation Labour has now started will take a recession to stop. No more Rockstar economy that’s for sure.
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:04am
oldgolfer

Stunning govt disclosure in this morning’s Herald that wealthy people spent more on petrol than poor people.
Amazing.
Did not mention that an extra $10 a week on gas will not worry someone taking home $1500-$2000 a week, but will have a serious impact on those who wonder if their eftpos card will be declined when they put $10 of gas in the tank.
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June 28, 2018 8:39am
hullkiwi

What a trio? Genter, Lees-Galloway & Chippy Hopkins.

Listening to that lot on the radio this morning you can understand why we NZ is getting bad government. If any of that 3 had a brain cell between them it would be a miracle and if any of that 3 had a clue what they are doing that would be a first.

Genter politicised deaths on the roads & tells is grade separation on SH1 & 2 helps saves lives. Then why is she playing politics with SH1 Warkworth to Whangarei?

Lees-Galloway, has got a clue what he is doing in immigration. He is just lucky the forecasts are telling him immigration is slowing.

Then there is Free fees Chippie. “What is the point of his policy?”, he was asked by Espiner. “Solving fees inequality”, he replies. Then when Espiner proves it is not achieving that, it becomes enabling the children of wealthy, professional families not being saddled with student debt.
So note to Taxcinda, Chippie this morning made your statement in the House earlier this year look like you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about, when you responded to Simon Bridges:
“Why shouldn’t our check out operators go to university and receive free fees?”

The truth is the checkout operators are not going to university & you are wasting taxpayers money on a policy that is missing the mark & doesn’t work.

Taxcinda, as for your other ministers, they are clowns, just as you are a fraud being called Prime Minister. Why don’t you save us all, and just resign & take the drunk dwarf with you!
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June 28, 2018 8:40am
aquataur

From Auckland Council

Mayor Phil Goff says: “Stephen’s contract extension reflects the stable leadership he has provided over the last five years and the steps he has taken towards creating a more cost effective and customer-focused council.

“Stephen’s leadership will help ensure stability and continuity in council as we deliver transformational infrastructure investment in Auckland and continue to find efficiencies.

Cost effective ?
Efficiencies?
Customer focussed?

How is it that Labour politicians just can’t help lying ?
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June 28, 2018 8:43am
- hullkiwi
  
  Town is very stable on his $800k plus package, you go figure where he could get a better paid job in the public service.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:54am
EAD_TWO

This is great viewing watching “enraged” BBC journalist Emily Maitlis raging at the Hungarian Foreign Minister for not opening up his borders to the 3rd world hordes.

He states that her views and persona are “unhinged” and then really has her seeing the red mist when he says “we want to keep Hungary a Hungarian country and we don’t think that multiculturalism is by definition good,”

Wish our Politicans would be so brave.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-26/you-are-unbalanced-hungarian-foreign-minister-shuts-down-enraged-bbc-reporter-over

Oh, and if you’re wondering about this Maitlis journalist, wonder no more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Maitlis#Personal_life

EVERY. DAMN. TIME
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June 28, 2018 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO , interesting that same Hungary produced Attila the Hun and his hordes said to be of Asiatic origin.Famous for finishing off the Roman Empire.
  
  https://www.ancient.eu/Huns/
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:05am
  - igm
    
    They are talking about Muslims you foolish rugpilot. Do you not see they are not needed, wanted, or any use. Shame the gutless NZ governments, past and present, will not put acceptance of Islam to the voters . . . maybe they know the result.
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:28am
    - 4077th
      
      What is a Goat Herder known as in the Middle East?
      A Pimp!
      
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      June 28, 2018 12:25pm
  - realityczech
    
    :EAD TWO , interesting that same Hungary produced Attila the Hun”
    
    stupidboy, even more interesting is that Germany produced Albert Einstein .
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:03pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Wish our Politicans would be so brave.
  
  The only one who says anything about it is also responsible for bringing thirty thousand more immigrants to our shores and is putting New Zealanders out of Jobs in the energy sector.
  I should just accept that New Zealand becoming New Singapore would be in my best interests (and it would).
  
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  June 28, 2018 1:20pm
holysheet

A signboard outside a posh restaurant reads “Eat as much as you can, your grandchildren will pay the bill”.
A man enters the restaurant. He orders half of the menu and eats as much as he can, gets a toothpick and farts, quite satisfied.
A waiter arrives and gives the man the bill.
$15430.99
The man’s laughter echoes around the restaurant.
“Take this bill to my grandchildren. You people have said ‘only my grandchildren will pay!’”, exclaims the man, gulping down the last drops of his wine.
The waiter replies, “This is not your bill sir, it’s your grandfather’s bill!”
…the man fainted.
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June 28, 2018 8:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bloody ~~Commies~~ Russians.

it is clear that Russian agents are using social
media to influence and impact U.S. energy markets. Regardless of one’s political or ideological views surrounding U.S. energy policy and climate change, the American people deserve to be free from foreign political interference.

http://2hiwrx1aljcd3ryc7x1vkkah.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SST-Staff-Report-Russian-Attempts-to-Influence-U.S.-Domestic-Energy-Markets-by-Exploiting-Social-Media-03.01.18.pdf

Wonder how much foreign influence there is on NZ energy and climate change policy.
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June 28, 2018 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, note ,
  
  Majority Staff Report equals Republicans,
  
  Sigh!
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:11am
- All_on_Red
  
  Dr Efim Renwickski
  Russo Normanscovich
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red hering.con.
    
    Provided specifically for you,
    
    http://soundbible.com/tags-fart.html
    
    LOL
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:36am
- waikatogirl
  
  We may have more to worry about than a few temperature degrees. The Hawaii volcanic action is causing 2000ºc molten lava to slice through rock like hot butter on pavlova and will eventually cause a huge chunk of land to slump into the sea causing a predicted 1000ft tsunami (300m high) which will head across the Pacific. ?
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:15am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    wg, did you read that somewhere or make it up to frighten us?
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hilina slump…
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilina_Slump
      
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      June 28, 2018 11:59am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Nature’s intensity is far more interesting than my ability to scare you Captain! ?
      
      Thanks Maggy for posting the link. I was watching the latest updates on UTube yesterday. The Kiluwaiu volcanic landscape is huge, angry, and extremely dangerous.
      
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      June 28, 2018 1:59pm
  - stephieboy
    
    we ” may ”
    
    Sigh!
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:37am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Who cares. Aucklands $1million dollar homes will get wiped out by a volcano at some point anyway.
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:04am
  - Komata
    
    Waikatogirl
    
    Because we both live ‘inland’ I’d be a tad more ‘conerned’ if Maugatautiri or Pirongia started to mutter; even perhaps Ruapehu, if the wind was coming from the right direction. I DO get your point however; well made and thank you.
    
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    June 28, 2018 2:16pm
- Harkman
  
  Well the Green movement was originally funded by the KGB. It would surprise me if the likes of Minto’s protests weren’t KGB funded as well.
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:18am
  - sam green
    
    Next you’ll be telling us that the KGB funded the Sex Pistols in order to destabilise the West.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:06am
    - Ed Snack
      
      They did, and the KGB made a mint from their percentage on their records ! However they also made Johnny rotten.
      
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      June 28, 2018 10:27am
      - MickMac
        
        🙂
        
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        June 28, 2018 11:37am
      - sam green
        
        oh dear
        
        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kgb-agent-sex-pistols/
        
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        June 28, 2018 3:05pm
      - sam green
        
        From the publication that ran the original story ….
        
        “There is no truth to this story; World News Daily Report states on its own disclaimer page that all of the content on the site is fictional:
        
        WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.”
        
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        June 28, 2018 3:16pm
  - Inandout
    
    The Greens morphed after the fall of European communism, and the KGB interfering is well documented when their papers were made public after the Soviet demise.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:20am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Absolutely. I know someone who was in HART in the 70’s and it was just another tool for ambitions of Socialist Unity Party (which was frequently caught operating with USSR backing). Unionist/SUP member Ken Douglas would appear in senior closed meetings of HART leaders to provide ‘guidance’.
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:05am
    - Inandout
      
      Urban, when Muldoon brought in his union targetted industrial laws it was interesting to see Ken Douglas waiting patiently at the Hellabys freezing works office. Normally he would be treated like royalty by the Hellabys bosses because the freezing workers struck almost on a weekly basis (normally after pay day). The wheel seems to have turned with unions becoming bolshie with the bosses, except now a business will just close or move offshore rather than be bullied.
      
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      June 28, 2018 12:52pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Didn’t you know? he did it all out of his teachers pay packet. Yeah, right!
    
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    June 28, 2018 12:24pm
    - Harkman
      
      Exactly hullkiwi.
      
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      June 28, 2018 5:47pm
- igm
  
  We all know The Pooh and Crockery are besotted with Russia.
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:30am
secondcumming

Got an advertising flyer in our letterbox last nite from *Hell Pizza* promoting their latest offering called ‘The Diana Ross’……it’s a thin crusty supreme.
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June 28, 2018 9:08am
- Inandout
  
  How sexist and racist. Crash the nearest Hell store and target the owner, screaming so much the customers take off.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:16am
softail 1450

If employers on this blog want a shock just look at what the greens got approved and signed into law last night covering employers paying for staff that suffer violence in their home…..
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June 28, 2018 9:11am
- Poppa
  
  Employers will be loving that
  
  They really do live on a different planet. Why should the employer carry the can?
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:21am
  - igm
    
    Will make employers very careful whom they employ. Most do checks now to see if there is family unionism support, if (and only rarely) employing females, they are child bearing potential, if there are school age children that can affect attendance, etc. Women will find it very hard to find work in time . . . thanks CoL!
    
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    June 28, 2018 9:57am
    - 4077th
      
      Even the slightest whiff of union affiliation from anyone I employ would be on the way to getting the arse card and I couldn’t care less about any constructive dismissal proceedings that follow. Cheaper to pay the fine than let the infection get any worse.
      
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      June 28, 2018 12:32pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Your wrong. Actually read what they’ve done. No DV is required. Just a document showing you reported DV or a fear of DV. It’s not time off to move house, or attend court, it’s just time off.
  Watch this space. DV (reported) rates will increase and the usual suspects will get funding increases to help cope.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:59am
- Komata
  
  softail
  
  Can you provide a link please?
  
  Thanks.
  
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  June 28, 2018 2:21pm
dime

Do we know if this piece of trash Genter still pulls her 250k a year on leave?

or does she have to survive on the 400 a week like a normal pleb?

or does she get the 400 a week on top of her 250k?
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June 28, 2018 9:35am
- Poppa
  
  Dunno, but I sure as hell feel sorry for the kid
  
  Poor little bugger listening to her tripe all day long
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:52am
- KiWombat
  
  She’s trying to keep her legs crossed for another week so that she qualifies for the baby bonus !
  
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  June 28, 2018 9:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Her baby is not due until August.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:03am
    - kevn
      
      @MW… Who was the donor? Poor sod.
      
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      June 28, 2018 10:08am
      - DJ Ward
        
        Well at least she was in a relationship. Most feminists just tell some random there on the pill, get thier detials for future Child Support rewards. Then they go home to thier wife. Or ring up social services to say “I know stephieboy is turning 5 and I’m supposed to get a job, but guess what happened”
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Her domestic partner is Peter Nunns.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/104883768/home-birth-cloth-nappies-and-feminism-in-action-on-the-horizon-for-green-minister-julie-anne-genter
        
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        June 28, 2018 11:25am
      - 4077th
        
        I wonder how long she will survive washing the shit out of cloth nappies before she uses disposables? Even the hospitals prefer the use of disposables for hygiene and skin irritation reasons (for both baby and mum).
        
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        June 28, 2018 1:59pm
- kevn
  
  @dime… She should go back to parking solutions… preferably somewhere else on the globe.
  Toxic woman.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:07am
Inandout

Dirty rotten bastards, is there anything those pricks won’t eat?

http://www.newsweek.com/when-will-chinas-controversial-yulin-dog-meat-festival-end-opinion-995400

The cruelty is unimaginable.
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June 28, 2018 10:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Pigs are too smelly to keep in cities so they feed food scraps + rats etc to dogs and cats and then eat them – as a means of recycling.
  
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  June 28, 2018 11:09am
DJ Ward

You guys are missing the point on the DV law change on employers. It’s the easy avialibilty and obvious incentive to make a cliam of DV for a paid holiday. No actual cliam to any of a long list of document providers needs to meet a threshold.
IE The police aren’t even involved, the perpetrator has not been arrested etc. DV laws have been eroded to the point a woman can get a protection order based on the fact the never violent before partner might get upset when he finds out the wife’s leaving him for another man. The man of course may loose his job for this especially if he works for Air NZ but who cares right. Shit they’ll be issuing them with handguns next.
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June 28, 2018 10:24am
- KevOB
  
  I may have missed it but I did not see any reference in th Bill to the leave having to be paid by an employer just arrangements for the provision of time off.
  
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  June 28, 2018 1:56pm
Fletch

I suppose everyone has heard the tax news? Another 3.5 cent tax on petrol come October, then next year, and the year after…

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/petrol-tax-rise-3-5-cents-litre-in-october-and-again-next-two-years

Only they’re calling it an “excise duty” not a tax. Wouldn’t want to break any election promises. One term government.
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June 28, 2018 10:30am
- Longknives
  
  Do these idiots realise the flow-on effects hiking fuel prices has on the Economy?
  Everything we buy needs to be Transported for fuck’s sake! Prices will skyrocket..
  Or is this another Jacinda Pixieland moment?
  ‘We all need to do the right thing for the Greater Good’ etc etc (As she drives off in her Taxpayer funded Ministerial Limo)
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives, and burden ratepayers with rates hikes and taxpayer with more borrowing or printing more money?
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:45am
    - Longknives
      
      Love your work Stephieboy..
      
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      June 28, 2018 10:50am
    - 4077th
      
      Oh don’t worry Stephanie, we ratepayers are still going to be thoroughly burdened up the wazoo thanks to Goof and Hulse. Rates rise this year and next.
      
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      June 28, 2018 1:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    OK for her on her $550,000 plus perks pay cheque.
    
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    June 28, 2018 2:39pm
Fletch

More winning for Trump. The Supreme Court has ended compulsory union dues, again with the 5-4 split in the voting.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/27/supreme-court-ends-compulsory-public-sector-union-dues-5-4/
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June 28, 2018 10:37am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Fletch , lets screw down the rust belt workers with below minimum wages increased living expenses with tariffs and outsourcing.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:42am
  - DJ Ward
    
    That’s not the issue. It’s the word compulsory. Similar to communism.
    
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    June 28, 2018 10:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      DJ Ward, compulsory seatbelts communism?
      
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      June 28, 2018 12:14pm
  - dime
    
    lol yeah cause we all know, unions are there for the workers
    
    BAHAHAHAHA
    
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    June 28, 2018 11:22am
- cha
  
  ended compulsory union dues
  
  Nope, the ruling means they don’t have to pay the costs of their collective bargaining.
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:21pm
kevn

@Fletch… I’m about to sell my 4.5 litres to 100kms (55+ish mpg) 2009 Fiat 500 car. Maybe I should keep it?
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June 28, 2018 10:38am
- Fletch
  
  Heh, maybe. I recently bought a second hand 2.3 litre import with no 5th gear. Didn’t seem to matter at the time…. (doh!)
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  Then it rusts away?
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:50am
- DJ Ward
  
  That sucks. Sell it buy electric. Infinity mpg.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:51am
MickMac

Remember the Nuclear winter?
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/remember_nuclear_winter.html
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June 28, 2018 11:08am
- stephieboy
  
  MickMac, we are fortunate that we didn’t live through one as a consequence of a Nuclear war between the USSA and the USA.
  
  Does American “Thinker ” suggest one was worth it?
  
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  June 28, 2018 12:17pm
  - Komata
    
    SB
    
    USSA? Really? I’d be checking the water you’re drinking old chap, it’s have a delatorious effect on whichever one of you is currently on duty (and BTW, check your punctuation, you’re not doing particularly well in that area either).
    
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    June 28, 2018 2:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://sonoranorte.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/ussa_1.jpg
      
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      June 28, 2018 3:13pm
Jack5

Another blow for dairying – a Northland farm where there is cruelty to cows.

I bet some dairy farmers would like to get hold of the prick who beats cows with pipes and tools. They would probably welcome a chance to give him a taste of his animal handling techniques.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12079237
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June 28, 2018 11:42am
Cobolt24

I notice someone has been vandalising the Kiwiblog Wikipedia page lately as can be evidenced by these former edits. stephie, ztev?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiwiblog&diff=843257950&oldid=839735512
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June 28, 2018 12:03pm
- softail 1450
  
  cobalt24, naa, neither of those two goat harassers would be capable of carrying out that sabotage.
  
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  June 28, 2018 12:58pm
MrTips

Hmmmm….so one of New Zealands most vocal and strident anti-sugar campaigners suggests to a colleague at the University of Otago that she should bribe her 15yr with chocolate?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaHorsfield/status/1001235519022379008

#hypocrisy?
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June 28, 2018 12:06pm
Monique Watson

Wishing I hadn’t visited Stufff. It’s all shitty news and TMI about the car crash and other lives lost and cow beating’s. One of these days I’ll put up my story about narrowly surving a massive stroke; pregnant and a one year-old. The surgeon said their was a good chance I’d cark it. I was completely paralyzed but learned to walk again and drive again after three years. Got my full field of vision back. And was lucky enough to have three more children and keep my sense of humour. And purpose. As my friend said. “You nearly died and you went on to have three more children. You animal you”. ?
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June 28, 2018 12:11pm
- realityczech
  
  You are clearly not generation-snowflake and we love you for it 🙂
  
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  June 28, 2018 12:56pm
  - Longknives
    
    YOU wish you hadn’t visited Stuff?
    
    This was so bad I couldn’t stop reading…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/development/104923450/plenty-for-pm-jacinda-arderns-baby-to-achieve-over-6-weeks
    
    Random quote-
    “Baby Gayford can already hear, taste, feel and smell. She already knows her parents’ voices. She knows the power of that cry..”
    
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    June 28, 2018 1:15pm
    - 4077th
      
      FFS, now it’s me dying not Monique..
      
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      June 28, 2018 1:46pm
    - itstricky
      
      This was so bad I couldn’t stop reading…
      
      Likely story.
      
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      June 28, 2018 2:37pm
      - Longknives
        
        You got me Tricky!
        I’m actually knitting a pair of little booties for the wee poppet as we speak..
        
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        June 28, 2018 2:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  NZ Women’s mags used to pay $1000’s for a good disease-of-the-week story. Had a friend who made a couple of grand writing various made up-bollocks. Probably the internet has made it less lucrative.
  
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  June 28, 2018 4:30pm
realityczech

Stuffed news has launched a (yet another) misinformation and hate campaign against Sir John Key for lobbying for Iwi and Hapu.

The left like their Maori poor and desperate. A disgusting display of racism by this discredited propaganda outlet.

Senior Cabinet ministers had listened to concerns raised by the hapu and iwi (Te Uri o Hau and Ngati Manuhiri) involved in the development and sympathised with the delays they’d suffered over the years and that the overseas buyers ban would hurt them further.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105059172/sir-john-key-lobbied-government-for-overseas-buyers-ban-exemption

I note this story stayed up for days, unlike the story about the police finally being forced into arresting some of the Labour people who stupified and sexually assaulted children.
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June 28, 2018 12:42pm
- ex-golfer
  
  They have obviously forgotten that since resigning as an MP Sir John Key is a private citizen and is free to lobby for whoever he likes.
  The fact that Labour are trying to use this as some sort of defense for their attempt at corruption is laughable.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:04pm
publicwatchdog

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull donates his salary to charity – his own – the Turnbull Foundation.

How (tax) DODGY is that?

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-the-figjam-philanthropist,11644

“Turnbull should be transparent.

He needs to open the books of the Turnbull Foundation and provide his income tax returns for the last several years.

We need to make sure we don’t have a tax evader in the Lodge.”

#TurnbullFoundationOpenTheBooks

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June 28, 2018 12:43pm
- sooty
  
  What’s it got to do with you? It’s in Aust.
  
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  June 28, 2018 12:49pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Just seen this before – fine sounding statements – but unsubstantiated with evidence?
    
    Remember this?
    
    ‪Key pledges PM’s salary to charity:‬
    
    ‪https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/573560/Key-pledges-PMs-salary-to-charity‬
    
    ‪”I already donate a good part of the pay I receive as Leader of the Opposition to charities and other good causes. I will continue that practice should I become Prime Minister,”..” ‬
    
    ‪Evidence that John Key ever did
    donate any of his salary to ‘charity’?
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:14pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Got any evidence he didn’t?
      Because defamatory accusations from you may not help your health.
      
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      June 28, 2018 8:01pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Since when was it a requirement that comments on General Debate could only refer to New Zealand?
    
    (Just asking for a friend 😉
    
    Penny Bright
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:17pm
- Longknives
  
  “Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull donates his salary to charity”
  
  How much of Jacinda’s $500k does she donate to Charity Penny?
  Or is she too busy buying 2 million dollar houses to care about ‘Poverdy’ anymore??…
  
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  June 28, 2018 12:58pm
- 4077th
  
  You couldn’t effect any change in your own country Penny, what makes you think you can effect any in Australia? Must have way too much time on your hands at the moment? Why are you not asking questions about transparency from Claire Curran or David Clarke?
  
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  June 28, 2018 1:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What’s the problem, Penny?
  Turnbull has been donating $$$$$$/year to charities for yonks.
  https://www.fiveaa.com.au/news/PM-Malcolm-Turnbull-Gives-His-Entire-Salary-Away-To-Charity
  
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  June 28, 2018 1:53pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Miss this bit Maggy?
    
    “Mr Turnbull does not divert his $528,000 salary into a separate account but donates slightly more than the equivalent amount, about $550,000, to charity through the Turnbull Foundation, which was established in 2001.“
    
    So – Malcolm Turnbull donated his salary to his OWN ‘charity’ – actually.
    
    ‘Seek truth from FACTS’.
    
    Penny Bright
    
    The Turnbull Foundation.
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:32pm
    - publicwatchdog
      
      “..the PM ..donates his entire $500,000 annual salary to charity…through his Turnbull Foundation”
      
      totalgiving.co.uk/charity/the-tu…
      
      “What services The Turnbull Foundation provides:
      
      The prevention or relief of poverty
      
      …..
      
      Where The Turnbull Foundation operates:
      
      India”
      
      WHICH ‘charities’ in India received donations from the Turnbull Foundation?
      
      HOW MUCH did these Indian (?) ‘charities’ receive from the Turnbull Foundation?
      
      WHAT work do these Indian ‘charities’ do – exactly?
      
      Any mainstream media investigation of these questions?
      
      Penny Bright
      
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      June 28, 2018 7:05pm
      - realityczech
        
        wE dEmAND aN iVEStigation iNtO cRooKs nOt pAYinG tHeiR rAtES. ❗ ❗ ❗
        
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        June 28, 2018 7:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You are getting muddled about a UK charity
        The Turnbull Foundation which operates in India
        http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1152538&SubsidiaryNumber=0
        
        and Malcolm & Lucy Turnbull’s Foundation.
        They are not the same.
        
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        June 28, 2018 7:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No, I didn’t miss it.
      He’s been running his own charity since 2001.
      
      The poor bugger can’t help it that he invested a few hundred thou in an internet company that sold for mega millions.
      
      https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/malcolm-turnbull-is-donating-his-entire-528000-salary-to-charity/news-story/d7234aa711ed4a0db3cd77ea2ce034c1
      
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      June 28, 2018 7:11pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        My understanding of some key beneficiaries of Malcolm Turnbull’s Turnbull Foundation donations:
        
        @MichaelTiyce courtesy of @themarkjacka “Beneficiaries of the Turnbull Foundation –
        
        – Biennale of Sydney $25,000
        – Australia Chamber Orchestra $20,000
        – Rhodes Scholarships $200,000
        – Sydney’s Scots College $10,000
        
        _______________________
        
        All well-known ‘charities’ based in India to help the reduction of poverty?
        
        NOT.
        
        Time for some transparency with the Turnbull Foundation?
        
        Some ‘money-following’ – sort of thing?
        
        Some real investigation by mainstream media?
        
        I think so.
        
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        June 28, 2018 7:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Jeez Penny,
        
        Malcolm Turnbull’s Foundation is a Private Ancillary Fund… It’s not a Public Charity.
        It doesn’t take public money.
        
        You seem very confused about Ozzie politics.
        https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-the-figjam-philanthropist,11644
        
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        June 28, 2018 8:08pm
- 4077th
  
  Bill Gates ring any bells Penny?
  
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  June 28, 2018 2:09pm
cha

But, we were told ….

SEOUL, South Korea — Satellite images show that North Korea is carrying out rapid improvements to its nuclear research facility, a monitor said on Wednesday, despite the country declaring a commitment to denuclearization of the peninsula at the Singapore summit.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/north-korea-still-upgrading-nuclear-site-at-rapid-pace-satellite-images-show/
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June 28, 2018 12:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red yesterday or so boldly pronounced that four North Korean Nuclear facilities had been dismantled.
  
  Naturally and typically of her/him no evidence was forthcoming.
  
  Sad..!
  
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  June 28, 2018 3:18pm
RF

Twyford has made a statement in the house that Kiwibuild will be implemented using Kiwi builders and will not be bringing in builders from overseas.

The next day it was announced that they intended to bring in 1500 visa workers from overseas to build houses.

Surely this is the classic case of misleading the house.

Time for a complaint !!!
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June 28, 2018 1:39pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Mallard has just awarded National 20 extra supplementary questions next week due to Twyford abusing the process of Parliament in his effusive answers to written questions.
  Twyford was essentially told he was in contempt of Parliament.
  The man is a walking timebomb.
  
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  June 28, 2018 2:30pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Really? Wow. Mallard is actually being a bit fair on this? I am surprised.
    
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    June 28, 2018 2:54pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That is excellent news.
    Who will be first to get the bum’s rush from Cabinet – Twitford, Curran or Clark?
    
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    June 28, 2018 4:39pm
    - sooty
      
      All three together on the sameday!
      
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      June 28, 2018 4:52pm
  - KevOB
    
    I think Mr Speaker Mallard gave a reasoned response all but calling the Minister stupid, dopey, silly or peculiar (take your pick).
    
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    June 28, 2018 5:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don’t tell me folks have been fudging NCEA figures.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/360622/ncea-pass-rates-drop-in-more-accurate-count
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June 28, 2018 1:39pm
Jack5

Not only have Labour and Peters conned the country on reducing immigration, the number of overstayers is surging.

Immigration officers are being diverted from pursuing them.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/360623/overstayer-numbers-up-as-immigration-officers-stretched
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June 28, 2018 1:56pm
- sooty
  
  Could bring in a bounty.
  
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  June 28, 2018 4:51pm
Hugh Pavletich

Can’t solve the housing crisis without crashing the price of housing – Brash | Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/06/can-t-solve-the-housing-crisis-without-crashing-the-price-of-housing-brash.html

David Hargreaves says on one hand it’s great to see so many first home buyers getting into the market – but the risks are looking very real at the moment | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/94533/david-hargreaves-says-one-hand-its-great-see-so-many-first-home-buyers-getting-market

As Housing Prices Soar, New Zealand Tackles a Surge in Homelessness – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/world/australia/new-zealand-homeless.html
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June 28, 2018 2:01pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  The Government’s fiscally conservative Budget has done nothing to stop declining business confidence levels, now back down to Coalition agreement negotiation period levels | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/business/94512/government%E2%80%99s-fiscally-conservative-budget-has-done-nothing-stop-declining-business
  
  Aussie wholesale funding costs keep on rising, pushing mortgage rates up despite no change in the RBA policy rate. Politicians there won’t be impressed | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/94510/aussie-wholesale-funding-costs-keep-rising-pushing-mortgage-rates-despite-no-change-rba
  
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  June 28, 2018 2:04pm
MrLovebucket

The CoL should be forced to pay a fine everytime they repeat the phrase “nine years of neglect” during question time.

The only neglect that happened in the last nine years was from that lot in opposition which is why the last nine months have been such a disaster.

They clearly did no planning or preparation during those 9 years and yet to notch up a single positive result since taking power.

National need to turn this around on them as it looks like they have been coached to repeat this over and over ad nauseam. I suspect H2 is berating any reply that doesn’t include this phrase.
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- itstricky
  
  I suspect H2
  
  It’s funny you should mention that because, as of last year, a good number of KBers were still blaming Clark for all the bad things in the world.
  
  6 months of criticism ain’t got nothing on 9 years of criticism.
  
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  June 28, 2018 2:34pm
Jack5

✔️Another excellent piece on Michael Reddell’s blog, Croaking Cassandra.

It brings information from a conference about ties with China — and Chinese People’s Republic influence in New Zealand, including talk of “truck loads” of cash from ethnic Chinese for NZ political parties.

This is a first-class read:

https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/06/27/foreign-influence-and-the-wellington-establishment/
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June 28, 2018 2:21pm
- Jack5
  
  It would surely be cheaper to have homes for the Auckland multitude prefabricated in China or some low-wage economy, then merely quickly assembled here by apprentices and other learners.
  
  SORRY, this comment is tacked on to the wrong post. I tried to delete it, but the blog delete function doesn’t seem to be working.
  
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  June 28, 2018 4:20pm
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    It’s ok. It’s more interesting than hugheys.
    
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    June 28, 2018 4:49pm
4077th

Seems the minister for “transparency” one Ms Claire Curran was once again squirming in the house today after Melissa Lee outed one of the ministers departments for deliberately not recoding meeting minutes for fear they may be subject to OIA request. Curren declared she was completely unaware of the allegations. I can BS on that, who would take it upon themselves to deliberately not take meeting notes when they knew very well their Minister is supposedly Minister for transparent government. Once again, Curran has been found wanting and her ministries are seemingly indulging in corrupt activities. Melissa Lee will once again, have a very large stick handed to her by Curran’s very own ministries. The woman is a clusterfuck, an omnishambles, from bean to cup, she fucks up!
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June 28, 2018 3:13pm
- 4077th
  
  I tried correcting mis-spellings but seems WordPress has other idea’s?
  
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  June 28, 2018 3:15pm
rangitoto

Melissa Lee skewers the “Open Government/Propaganda” Minister again:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=201233
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June 28, 2018 3:27pm
- 4077th
  
  Yep, I watched it and will be making some popcorn for the next instalment. Curran is pants.. I reckon she could import meth for a living, seems she can get away with anything?
  
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  June 28, 2018 3:33pm
  - rangitoto
    
    She looked like a possum caught in the head lights. Had to laugh when Winnie tried to come to her rescue and then Lee tabled the incriminating letter from Curran’s own ministry.
    
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    June 28, 2018 3:57pm
    - 4077th
      
      Yes, most satisfying watching Melissa Lee draw them both in and close out by tabling the evidence. I would have liked her to read out the emails but I guess that will be saved for round 2 after Curran pick the grass and dirt out her teeth..
      
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      June 28, 2018 4:39pm
      - sooty
        
        Will she be trotted out again, or sent back to the whitless protection program? Hay Commie Chick, th wheels are falling off! Have ztrev and sephieboy been called back to Frazer house? They are missing!
        
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        June 28, 2018 4:46pm
- ex-golfer
  
  That was most entertaining.
  Watching Curran squirm is like watching death by 1000 cuts.
  And the fact that the Acting PM was left with egg on his face after attempting to rescue her was ever so delicious.
  Melissa Lee must be enjoying this.
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:11pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Loved the look on Brownlee’s face.
    
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    June 28, 2018 8:35pm
4077th

Another one of Angry Little’s winners..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12079488

Coming to your neighbourhood soon….
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June 28, 2018 3:40pm
- sooty
  
  Should be housed in Littles neighbourhood!
  
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  June 28, 2018 4:39pm
labrator

No right turn’s latest post is pretty interesting! Mallard thumping Twyford for abusing process… So transparent!
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June 28, 2018 4:02pm
GazzaW

When the Speaker has to castigate a Senior Minister for failing to act professionally in his answers to written questions you have to query his ability to continue in that role. How embarassing for the Speaker to have to open Question Time with that statement and what an indictment on Phil Twyford. To give Mallard his due (and it hurts) he acted well in his role over this issue and suitable penalties exacted.

To add to Labour’s embarassment Twyford had absented himself from the House today. Too cowardly to front or maybe he was away at the official opening of a new Kiwibuild housing development.// 😉 . Take your pick.
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June 28, 2018 4:05pm
Jack5

A new gay policeman proposed to his gay friend at the NZ Police College graduation, to the applaud of fellow graduands.

The media were on hand for a photograph, of course.

Next year? Throuples exchanging vows at the graduation?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12079575
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June 28, 2018 4:12pm
- Jack5
  
  Let’s hope diversity, tolerance, and New Age arrangements don’t make our NZ police as useless as the London police are in the current crime wave.
  
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  June 28, 2018 4:17pm
  - Jack5
    
    ?‍♂️ Who has got policing right?
    
    1. The police in NZ, where gay vows are exchanged at graduation? OR
    
    2. The Chinese police, who are executing drug dealers in front of school children drawn up to witness what happens if you sell drugs?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12079448
    
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    June 28, 2018 4:31pm
    - sooty
      
      Media were primed to turn up, do you think!
      
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      June 28, 2018 4:42pm
- Inandout
  
  After the Taihape Muslim cop wanting a local mosque, well I thought I had seen everything. Police are there to prevent crime and protect the law abiding in the first instance, not be feel gooders. Will these two lovers be sent to the same station, because you can’t really seperate them?
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:04pm
- realityczech
  
  It would be even more inclusive and progressive if he was a conservative Muslim and made that little bitch wear a burqa and forbade her to drive.
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:12pm
rightoverlabour

Just want to say a big Fuck you to the cunts in local and central government. Starting with Goff and the whole COL but especially winston. Other than that have a great day.
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June 28, 2018 4:34pm
sooty

Neve Ardern Gayford.
Did the Commie Chick signal her married name with the naming of the baby?
She and Clarke are to have a married name of Ardern-Gayford, because they will not be changing the babies name. They are media whores. Clarkey is not as important.
Marriage to be during the recess prior to the next election, to make the most publicity possible.
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June 28, 2018 4:36pm
- Happychappy
  
  Jacinda is a attention seeker and only organizes events to satify her needs and will stop for nobody to forfill the lust for power. Just like Winston she will lie and scheme to stay in the limelight but let’s hope she doesn’t learn the bad habits like the Vela Helecopters saga and the Owen Glenn donation. Greed and Power corupts and she’s learning from the Master.
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:01pm
Fletch

Jordan Peterson is asked what he’d say to Canadian leader Justin Trudeau, and he basically says to think through the results of the policy or action you want to implement to what the worst possible outcome might be and decide around that outcome. He also talks about the wrong idea of basing decisions around tribal groups.

The probability that your well-meaning intervention, say, at a clinical level or epidemiological level, will have the positive outcome you intend, and no other, is zero.

In fact, the highest probability is that it will kick back against you and make things worse. So you bloody well better be sure when you implement your well-intentioned intervention that you lay out a measurement strategy to determine what the consequences of that are because they are very unlikely to be an improvement. That’s especially the case if the system is already working well, because if it’s already at 85% optimal capacity, moving it up another 5% is really hard, whereas making it work 50% worse is like – any fool can manage that. So when things are working be very cautious about what you do radically to ‘fix’ them because you don’t know what the consequence of your intervention is going to be. [from 4:10 onwards in video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCquaKfq3cE

Good advice for Jacinda & co. They are changing policy and doing things which they have no idea what the outcome might be.
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June 28, 2018 4:49pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Welfare is the classic example. You think providing more welfare will help, but in reality, all you do is get people addicted and they lose all instinct to better themselves.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:53pm
Morrissey

Milk is Murder

A month’s footage from the hidden cameras supplied to Newsroom by Farmwatch shows the sharemilker repeatedly hitting cows during milking. At times the cows were hit on the head, at other times their legs were struck with a steel pipe.

“You’ve got to train your cows. You can’t let your cows rule you.”

When Reid confronted him about hitting cows with a steel pipe he said he denied the allegation: “Why would I whack cows with a steel pole?”

“You tell me,” said Reid.

He said he didn’t like where the conversation was going and told Reid: “You better fuck off.”

Footage of the conversation and the sharemilker beating animals can be seen in the video accompanying this story. The full video is available on Newsroom.

Newsroom spoke to two former staff from the farm who said they had witnessed the man abusing cows. Both of the staff have years of experience in the dairy industry and said they were appalled at the treatment.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/105069718/hidden-cameras-reveal-northland-farmer-beating-cows-in-milking-shed
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June 28, 2018 5:05pm
- realityczech
  
  I see we have a lot of support for animal cruelty here today. Things a bit quiet over at the sub-Standard today boys?
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:16pm
Morrissey

One scumbag supporter of Dirty Dairy thuggery has registered with us, I see.
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June 28, 2018 5:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Hey Morris Dancer, got any cellphone footage of the sex attacks at the Labour Youth Rally you wanna share?
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:43pm
- Longknives
  
  So Farmers hitting cows is the ‘Horror of all Horrors’ but a Virtue-Signalling Labour Government letting thousands of violent and dangerous criminals out of Prison to rape and murder our kids is ‘For the Greater Good’??
  ‘Collateral Damage’ eh Andy?…
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:58pm
realityczech

Is it just me or are the resident Labour/Green voters becoming more extreme and vile?

In the short time since my return I have observed the following from these people:

1. A demand that guns be banned so that rapist murderers can break into a house and have their way with a child – in safety.
2. A demand that the party faithful be allowed to stupefy and sexually assault children with impunity at party rallies.

It has long been recognised that Labour/Green supporters have far higher rates of sexual deviancy than normal people. However their perversions seems to be manifesting themselves more rapidly now that they have the power they craved for so long.
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June 28, 2018 5:50pm
- MickMac
  
  Just look at what they say about Trumps kid in the states.
  I think progressivism may be a mental disease.
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Just look at what they say about Trumps kid ”
    
    Locking the child in a cage to be gang raped by pedophiles is the latest thing from the Trump haters I believe.
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:20pm
- nasska
  
  First the Catholic Church has an open season on altar boys. Now the socialists want to enable abusers of pubescent girls.
  
  Tough times to grow up in!
  
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  June 28, 2018 6:12pm
  - realityczech
    
    They are both faith based followings that hold views with no evidence and tell lies about the nature of reality.
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:25pm
    - nasska
      
      Bloody dangerous although RC. Fortunately our kids arrived in the 70s & it was enough to warn them that if they were approached by a male in a gaberdine coat or anyone carrying a Bible that they should ring Mum & Dad or run for the nearest police station.
      
      The youngest grandkid is nearly seventeen so he’s probably too old to get invited to a Labour Party function.
      
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      June 28, 2018 6:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah 17 is well outside the vulnerable demographic targeted by Labour strategists in the “youth wing”.
        
        With gag orders issued by the Courts and the police working tirelessly to hide it, Labours spin doctors crafting cover stories, and witnesses and victims getting leaned on… we might never know how many kids have been abused by Labour’s sex offenders.
        
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        June 28, 2018 6:40pm
      - sooty
        
        Maybe all come out in the wash like the catholic church.
        
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        June 28, 2018 7:09pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Sadly nasska the days of a police station being a safe place to run seem to have gone like so many well established traditions. Now it is hard to tell if two bobbies are really Bobbies or Bob and Bobbi. Seems the thin blue has suddenly got a lot thinner but long on diversity.
        
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        June 28, 2018 10:48pm
  - Longknives
    
    I was an Alter Boy Nasska.
    Not once was I touched up.
    Maybe my shorts weren’t tight enough or something?
    Okay I was a bit of a chubby kid but…
    
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    June 28, 2018 6:52pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Not once was I touched up”….
      
      Sorry to hear that Longknives. I’m sure it wasn’t the BMI.
      
      Perhaps you didn’t have the “X” factor! 🙂
      
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      June 28, 2018 6:56pm
      - Longknives
        
        No worries Nasska.
        Sadly I get dragged along to the occasional Labour Party function, I have met so many deviant,sexual predators at those it kind of makes up for it!
        
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        June 28, 2018 7:12pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Gee you talk rot!
    
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    June 28, 2018 7:52pm
Manolo

Who cares? Why is this news?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/nz-policeman-asks-boyfriend-to-marry-him-at-graduation/ar-AAzgJHU
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June 28, 2018 7:00pm
- realityczech
  
  They can do security at the next Labour Party Rally.
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:03pm
  - sooty
    
    Labours security force.
    
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    June 28, 2018 7:06pm
    - sooty
      
      What makes you think that the churnalist is queer on that report?
      
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      June 28, 2018 7:07pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Why is this news?”…..
  
  It proves that the Thick Blue Line has achieved its diversity targets.
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:06pm
- Longknives
  
  Fake News I think.
  Cops wear No 1s (Tunic, Tie and Hat etc) at Graduation Parades and it is very ‘Formal’.
  This looks like a publicity stunt to me..
  
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  June 28, 2018 7:25pm
- Piniwi
  
  But Manolo can they please provide all homosexual Police with Pink hats or badges so we can readily identify them.
  
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  June 28, 2018 10:37pm
realityczech

The reason Labour supporters are sexually deviant, prey on children and have same sex relationships, can be simply explained by evolution.

They are invariably intellectually and physically inferior specimens with shit personalities. These features deny them any possibility of a normal age appropriate hetrosexual relationship.

These unfortunate creatures have adapted by creating a ecological niche in which their deviant and repugnant behaviour is normalised and accepted by other evolutionary misfits. Within their niche they are able to thrive in safety without competition from normal people and gain access to prey items, like kids.
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June 28, 2018 7:30pm
- sam green
  
  I take it you don’t have a boyfriend – still. ?
  
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  June 28, 2018 11:16pm
nasska

….”Alzheimer’s Disease is thought to result from a lifetime of brain inflammation. Cannabis is one of the most safe anti-inflammatories in medicine. Some neuroscientists believe a bout of pot smoking in early adulthood may prevent Alzheimer’s onset later in life. Cannabis slows brain aging”…..

Sorry pissheads & conservatives…..you’re buggered! 🙂

https://www.thebudmaps.com/the-bud-411/can-cannabis-slow-the-development-of-alzheimers-disease
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June 28, 2018 7:49pm
cha

Mum’s not happy.

The minute he realized he wasn’t suppose to have a gun in the house. Watch until the end of this video though, and see what happens next???‍♂️??Also, guns are not toys.. pic.twitter.com/6ia6ycRheF— Jimmy ✊? (@jwheels74) June 27, 2018
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June 28, 2018 7:52pm
- realityczech
  
  Yeah guns are toys. It depends on what you want to use them for.
  
  You are projecting what you would like to do with a gun on to other (normal) people.
  
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  June 28, 2018 8:05pm
MickMac

Just got sent this.
Love it.

https://www.facebook.com/FilmingCops/videos/1305974309437661/
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June 28, 2018 8:43pm
nasska

And for all you mad Conservative women with six cats. Marijuana can keep your pets healthy:

….”Cannabis, in some forms, can make for a healthy supplement for your pets. And for animals that are sick, or living with chronic pain, cannabis-based treats can offer some relief.”…..

http://www.health.com/stress/what-you-should-know-about-medical-marijuana-for-pets
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