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General Debate 23 June 2018

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DifferentPerspective

The lyin’ leader’s lie was bigger than we thought, proving they think we’re idiots
Day 93 after the miraculous baby-dropper said that the Youth abuse camp review would take 60-90 days.
So yesterday I commented about the lyin’ leaders’ lies about being “completely open and transparent” about anything – especially the cover-up of the Labour Youth Booze and Abuse camps.

And then miraculously and of course totally coincidentally, news dribbles out that the infinitely idiotic Andy Kirton is “resigning” from the Labour party for a really, really well paid job at Air NZ. I’m sure the timing of this had nothing at all to do with the hope that it would be buried among all the baby-fawning of the obsequious fake-news MSM.

And then we had confirmation of what all ordinary, decent people thought – that the whole review was a front to sweep it under the carpet. Newsroom is reporting that the (totally unbiased and completely independent and competent) reviewer

She had three months to report back and her findings were not to be made public but go to key party leaders.
Berryman only recently spoke to some of the five victims of the assaults at the camp.

This is starting to look as stinky as what is coming out of the FBI in the US about the Clinton investigation. If this was done with any intention of sorting out the problem and making sure the best interests of the children were taken care of – why would the reviewer have only just interviewed SOME of the victims? Oh yes, and nice of Newsroom to take the party line and remind the sheeple that they couldn’t be trusted with such important stuff as this report – it was only for the party leaders (yeah like they can be trusted).

So let’s take stock:
– This has all the marks of a cover-up
– The timing was designed to push any review report past what Labour was hoping to be the Jacinda’s “Royal Wedding” moment when she achieved the incredible feat of giving birth
– The reviewer is dragging the chain and going slower than Auckland traffic at rush hour
– This review is going to be secret (from the ‘completely open and transparent’ leader) to the party hacks that wanted to cover it up in the first place.

But sure libtards! You can send your kids off to Labour Youth camps safe in the knowledge that Labour will take the best possible care of them. Maybe Darren Hughes will come back to supervise the next one.
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June 23, 2018 8:53am
- holysheet
  
  The trolls are up early this AM.
  
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  June 23, 2018 8:56am
  - holysheet
    
    Why all the downticks?
    I was referring to the downtickers doing what trolls are best at. There were more downticks than upticks when I posted the above.
    
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    June 23, 2018 2:11pm
- VicParking
  
  I’m sure the MSM have been given the message, ‘Nothing to see here’ look the baby has had its first crap.
  
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  June 23, 2018 8:57am
  - RF
    
    You can buy relics of the holly cross in Rome.
    
    I can see a potential market for relics of the chosen child’s first droppings. This will have the ability to boost Labours election coffers.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:02pm
- Inandout
  
  I did hear Soper’s comments repeatedly saying that Kirton was in charge when the story broke, but Cindy wasn’t told. Pull the other one Randy, it has bells on it. Why are the Left so tolerant of sex offenders?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:01am
  - igm
    
    Inandout: Because most of them have skeletons in closets.
    
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    June 23, 2018 10:40am
- Harkman
  
  The simple fact he has gotten a job at Air NZ after Jones’s rant reeks of corruption. Purely politically appointed.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:02am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed, and that’s something I would expect National to already be chasing up. After all, having helped Labour get into government and now being in a position of considerable power in the party, why would Kirton walk?
    
    My guess is that the findings of the report are adverse towards him, so when it comes out, Labour can see “It’s all ok; he has already moved on”.
    
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    June 23, 2018 12:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That Newsroom item talks of 5 sex-abuse victims.
  Up until now I had thought that there were just 4 ..
  2 guys and 2 girls.
  
  Seems some folks know a hell of a lot more than they are letting on, or is this an all-out effort to muddy events?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:05am
  - holysheet
    
    These numpties cannot be expected to keep track of all the sleaze that is the Liabour pardy and it’s followers.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:14am
    - igm
      
      Heard Ginga was back in NZ helping with the investigation . . . or was it instigation!
      
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      June 23, 2018 10:46am
  - jp_1983
    
    the offender is a victim as well,
    Cause of feelz and the like
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:14am
    - VicParking
      
      “He/she/Zee had Nine years with no medical support which drove him/her/Zee to do it. We are a caring government but it will take longer than one term to fix the mess National left us in.” Nothing more to see here I’m to busy on the other 20 Reviews/Advisory Groups I’m on to comment further.
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:28am
      - sooty
        
        I believe its up to 125 talkfeast.
        
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        June 23, 2018 10:59am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Precisely. The perpetrator is actually the real victim here, apart from the Labour Party’s credibility and integrity. That has been damaged beyond repair.
      
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      June 23, 2018 12:44pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nah, Its Labour maths, Ask Robbo, he can’t see an $11Billion hole, so 4 or 5, makes no difference.
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:28am
- calendar girl
  
  Still waiting for any news on the Police investigation into the Labour Youth Camp scandal.
  
  Or were the reported events at that camp just ‘rumours’?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:27am
  - stephieboy
    
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    calendar girl, the police first have to establish whether there is a case to answer. ( evidence and facts ) Next will it stand up to a trial.
    
    Then they have to prioritise over other criminal investigations ( this is not a political crime.Though with you I suspect it is so )
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:34am
    - calendar girl
      
      That’s why I referred to “any news on the Police investigation”. Comprehension is clearly not one of your strengths, stephie.
      
      Who categorizes the alleged offences as a “political crime”? You seem to be too concerned about the fact that the camp was organised by the Labour Party. Like many of us here, I’m concerned about the time the inquiries seem to be taking, and the concern that will have on the young victims of the alleged sexual assaults. Will any such victims be labelled as liars?
      
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      June 23, 2018 10:23am
      - stephieboy
        
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        calendar girl, as I stated it now is a police-based investigation that functions very differently from any Labour internal investigation or whatever.
        
        BTW the police have to observe the rules of evidence and establish if there is criminal culpability of the kind that would go before the courts and likely succeed .
        
        Fact !
        
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        June 23, 2018 10:38am
      - sooty
        
        Stephie, how come you know how the investigations work? Have you been subject to one?
        
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        June 23, 2018 11:01am
      - calendar girl
        
        stephie @ 10:38 am, it is for the Court alone (a magistrate, a judge alone, or a jury) to determine any criminal culpability / liability, or to acquit the accused. The job of the police is limited to determining whether there is a sufficiently-realistic prima facie case against any accused individual(s) to initiate a criminal trial.
        
        After more than three months, one might have expected that police inquiries into the relevant social gathering might have been concluded by now. With the passage of time, the reliability of evidence may become weaker. Meanwhile, alleged victims of sexual assault at that weekend camp may well be traumatised by memories of that weekend, and by what they see as society’s lack of urgency and concern regarding their experiences.
        
        So I’m waiting to hear, very soon, whether this police investigation will result in prosecution(s) or the termination of inquiries. The present hiatus can’t be allowed to go on forever. Why such a delay?
        
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        June 23, 2018 1:12pm
- niggly
  
  Labour commissioned Wellington lawyer Maria Berryman in March to investigate how it handled the affair, its general culture and any other incidents of sexual harassment or abuse within the party. She had three months to report back and her findings were not to be made public but go to key party leaders.
  
  Berryman only recently spoke to some of the five victims of the assaults at the camp.
  
  From DP’s link to the Newshub article -hopefully someone with legal knowledge can provide us all here some answers in order to clarify the following:
  
  1. Is it normal for an organisation (Labour) to commission their own private investigation (seeing that the Police are supposedly investigating a criminal act in an official capacity)?
  
  2. Is it normal for the private (Labour) investigation to speak to the victims of the assaults (when there is an official Police investigation underway)? Could this have some bearing on what the victims of the assaults say to the Police?
  
  3. If it is “normal” for Labour to conduct their own private investigation, is it satisfactory that “Berryman only recently spoke to some of the five victims of the assaults at the camp”? Note: that is “some” not “all” – why is that?
  
  4. Finally is it normal for the Labour private investigation to be kept secret? Surely it’s in the Public Interest for Labour to release the results? I do hope the MSM apply pressure on to Labour to have their secret investigation report released.
  
  After all why not, if it were National (not Labour), you bet some “investigative journalist” would come along and somehow obtain and publish a leaked copy, fully justified, because of public interest and as we know from the recent Hager/Police apology, the Police cannot do anything about it!
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So, a Labour-commissioned Lawyer is speaking to alleged victims whilst a police investigation into the alleged assaults is on-going.
    
    Difficult to see this in any but Political terms.
    
    How can the public be assured that the alleged victims haven’t been leant on by the Labour Party Hierarchy?
    
    Something is very STINKY about this affair.
    
    “Victim-led approach”…. Looks very much like Labour Party Hush-up approach.
    
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    June 23, 2018 10:29am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Looks like, well if you say, you weren’t really groped, or you gave permission, then this whole thing will go away, and Labour will rule for years on end, and that means more free education, bigger houses ( for our friends) …., now just sign here
      
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      June 23, 2018 11:30am
      - Nermal
        
        Let’s not be so harsh. “Groped” is not a nice word. Applying the “Angry Andy Minimising Method” lets just call it “tickled” or “patted” or “accidentally brushed”. Suits the narrative much better
        
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        June 23, 2018 1:33pm
    - Paulus
      
      Disappointing for the Police who are becoming more and more politically tainted.
      Must be something to do with the appointment of a new Police Chief, as it reflected that he or she may not even be a sworn Police person probably an ex Labour Minister.
      A Labour political appointment – say Helen Clark who is of course impartial.
      
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      June 23, 2018 2:12pm
    - RF
      
      The Police investigation smells like BS to me.
      
      You have a complainant and a suspect / offender known to the complainant or complainants.
      
      Bush without a complaint was very quick to rush to the defence of the fisherman so I am not surprised to hear delays in solving this current crime.
      
      A sad day for the NZ Police, a once proud honest organisation.
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:12pm
- Felt
  
  My understanding of this is that Lab AND the press have a reason for this to not see the light of day!
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:16am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Flet , there is no evidence of that. it is to a subject to a police investigation and there is evidence of any alleged political interference of the same. Nor a dumb conspiracy theory.
    
    It is that simple!
    
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    June 23, 2018 10:20am
    - gravedodger
      
      Typo there Mr Boy, last line should read: “I am that simple!”
      
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      June 23, 2018 10:37am
    - pentwig
      
      stupidboy
      your comment is not only illiterate, but when we try to comprehend what inane utterance you subjected us to, it would appear you have conveniently forgotten about the corrupt police commissioner who, after apparent political interference informed us that Mr silly little girl was not under investigation.
      sigh
      
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      June 23, 2018 11:00am
holysheet

Two alligators are sitting on the edge of a swamp.
The small one turns to the big one and says; “I don’t understand how you can be so much bigger than me. We’re the same age, we were the same size as kids… I just don’t get it.”
“Well,” says the big alligator, “what have you been eating?”
“Politicians” replies the small alligator.
“Hm. Well, where do you catch ’em?”
“Down at that park on the edge of the swamp.”
Hm. How do you catch ’em?” “Well, I crawl under a BMW and wait for someone to unlock the door. Then I jump out, bite ’em, shake the shit out of ’em, and eat ’em!”
“Ah!” says the big alligator, “I think I see your problem. See, by the time you get done shakin’ the shit out of a politician, there’s nothing left but lips and a briefcase…”
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June 23, 2018 8:57am
- VicParking
  
  You dont need to shake them, most of the shit comes out their mouths when they scream.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:00am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Idi Amin woke up one morning, and when he looked in the mirror, he was horrified. He was white from the eyebrows up!
    
    He summonsed his doctor, who quickly mixed up an elixir and gave it to Amin to drink.
    
    The dictator slugged it down, then said “What was that? It tasted like shit!”
    
    The doctor replied “It was. You just needed topping up”.
    
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    June 23, 2018 12:48pm
    - VicParking
      
      Substitute Amin with Winston
      
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      June 23, 2018 1:17pm
ldypen

Just lying cheating scum!
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June 23, 2018 8:57am
mikenmildagain

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Happy United Nations Public Service Day to you all.
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June 23, 2018 8:57am
- holysheet
  
  Fuck the UN.
  It should go the way of the Moa.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:01am
  - softail 1450
    
    holysheet, I am looking forward to Niki Haley announcing “US government withdraws all funding from UN”, that will be a great day,the day shit hole human rights abusing countries in Africa the middle east and south america stop directing what we in the west should be doing.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:11am
  - VicParking
    
    If thats the case lets put the Maoris on the job, they are experts at Moa extermination.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:31am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It is a horror of corruption and bullshit. But I can’t help but think that it is necessary to provide a forum for input and intercession from non-super-powers during cold wars, and with China’s hegemonic ambitions and rapidly expanding military capabilities we are entering a new dark era. UN is worth maintaining if it can stop an eventual war.
    
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    June 23, 2018 4:14pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Not sure why anyone would downtick that felicitation … I thought it was nice and useful.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:06am
Monique Watson

Chilly down there below the 45th parallel South! Got the opposite problem here. It’s hitting 90 degrees and rising. And I just spilt corn grits on the kitchen floor and broke the last decent beer. I’m onto the lite later and might have to mop up the floor with the dog.
No animals harmed in the making 🙂
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June 23, 2018 8:58am
- waikatogirl
  
  Sitting here imagining the carnage in your kitchen Monique. Good luck with the dog mop. Thanks for the laugh. ?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:06am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Speaking to friends earlier in Louisiana Monique, they were telling me how toasty it is. Im up there in September when it will still be a tad warm Im told. Looking forward to a long weekend in New Orleans for some jazz, great food and way too much booze 🙂
  
  Whats the plan for the grits?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:11am
  - holysheet
    
    She uses them to soak up all the booze she spills when rambling in her drunken stupor. Then she eats them for breakfast as the “hair of the dog”
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:18am
    - Monique Watson
      
      Haha. I never get into a drunken stupor. Never lose control:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30kS2Kr7YjQ
      
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      June 23, 2018 10:54am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Oh yeah, Louisiana is warm.
    Cooking up shrimp and grits and the second oldest was up at the butt-crack with me watching Gordon Ramsay. (He’s a Gourmand),
    I said “Son,
    If I do nothing else by the time you’re twenty, I’ll take you to eat crawfish in Louisiana.”
    Nothing better than food except for a bit of sun.
    But the Mosquitoes are a bitch.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:20am
    - holysheet
      
      Whats the difference between Gordon Ramsey and a brisk walk outside?
      One is a pant in the country,……………………………………………..
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:23am
  - VicParking
    
    I hear half of Central America is on their its way to Louisiana
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:33am
- softail 1450
  
  Monique Watson, I’m really only here for the humor and you certainly make a good contribution to the laugh count……
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:15am
- Viking2
  
  Just for the record you have a choice of mops.
  
  https://www.google.com/search?q=dog+mop&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=TdV02swihlhydM%253A%252CO1IHu7DUR9zK4M%252C_&usg=__a3-S7QgemlpHd0HYvIW5d-yzFK4%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia5PHEpujbAhUHfd4KHR9iCp8Q9QEIKzAB#imgrc=TdV02swihlhydM:
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:19am
The Heat

The MSM consists of trained and educated professionals. Here is a a sample of some of their cutting-edge, well-researched, essential stories:

Revealed: Where Jacinda Ardern’s baby’s hat, blanket came from

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s parents open up about new baby granddaughter

New parent Jacinda Ardern’s sleepless – and cheesy – start to motherhood

Plenty for PM Jacinda Ardern’s baby to achieve over 6 weeks

FFS
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June 23, 2018 8:59am
- VicParking
  
  Also:
  Clarke admits he’s horny as hell. “It’s been so long and the chastity belt is starting it itch”
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    He’s going to climb back in the saddle soon. After all she’s 37 and aging.
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:06am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Might not be the same saddle.
      
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      June 23, 2018 11:33am
      - Paulus
        
        But will the other mother’s in the weekly mothers meetings be watching (and hoping) that his history is well known.
        As I understand one of his ex’s said “she is welcome to him”.
        
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        June 23, 2018 2:16pm
    - VicParking
      
      Another night is hospital sort of smells like a C Section to me. Clarke will be pleased.
      
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      June 23, 2018 1:20pm
  - Longknives
    
    I hear he’s been very supportive to those young Auckland nurses and offering to give some ‘hands on’ help with their pay equity battles…
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:31am
- Harkman
  
  I don’t know what is worse the baby nonsense or Hulun Cluck commenting on the Space-Cadet having the baby.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:08am
- The Heat
  
  And some of the comments on those articles.
  
  Jesus H Christ
  
  Weapons-grade, terminal velocity morons who would be intellectually challenged by a Women’s Weekly, yet – and this is very hard to believe – somehow manage to negotiate the door of town hall to cast a vote once every three years.
  
  Idiocracy.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:22am
- RF
  
  Just wait there will be a special page in all news papers listing the little ones daily achievements.
  
  This will be stretched through to 2020.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:37am
- thedavincimode
  
  Plenty for PM Jacinda Ardern’s baby to achieve over 6 weeks
  
  Perhaps her baby could take over from hipkins as Leader of the House.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:59am
- The Heat
  
  They saw the bottom of the barrel, then just kept on going:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/jacinda-ardern-s-baby-the-earthquake-that-marked-a-new-life.html
  
  “Jacinda Ardern’s baby: The earthquake that marked a new life”
  
  Somewhere, a village is missing a MSM.
  
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  June 23, 2018 11:21am
flipper

I must say, albeit without having seen the Egdeler post etc, that W O H B had a real Jim Dandy late yesterday quoting one Peter Davis on the abysmal Ardern-Peters Regime and its actions.
As WOHB says, “that is ex-Prime Minister Helen Clark’s husband.
Let that sink in for one minute.”

Oh well, while the MSM and other silly buggers waste time on the Ardern child, it should be noted that the nation has reaped what was sewn. The whole porridge of liars, and worse, promised the gullible and the greedy (Redmelons Peters cult members, nurses and teachers and more) the earth and but, as expected by wiser heads, will deliver sack cloth and ashes.
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June 23, 2018 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  Maybe he and Helen have had a “Lovers” tiff and he’s getting back at her.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:06am
  - lifesgood
    
    They were never lovers and not really husband and wife. She did everything she could in her lust for power and a fake marriage was one of them.
    
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    June 23, 2018 12:42pm
    - VicParking
      
      I did not know that, WoW. I always thought they were a loving couple who sacrificed they intimacy for their careers…….
      
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      June 23, 2018 1:23pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, VicP
        
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        June 23, 2018 6:00pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Don’t you long for the good old days, flipper? When you and Piggy had such a sweet time together? This era’s politicians have so much less sex appeal, don’t you agree?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:13am
  - thedavincimode
    
    How the mighty have fallen.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:18am
- Dave Mann
  
  that the nation has reaped what was sewn. The whole porridge of liars etc etc etc
  
  If you’re referring to the present government, then you’re incorrect. This government porridge (as you delightfully describe it) wasn’t elected by the people of this nation. It was appointed, totally against expectations, by a venile old drunk and serial liar who himself only managed to achieve 7% of the vote and doesn’t even hold an electorate seat.
  
  The nation didn’t deserve this, and it’s not of our doing at all. If National had any balls they would be campaigning on a platform of holding a referendum on MMP within their first term – or at least suggesting some viable change to the system to prevent this happening again. That is if they ever get into government again and if there’s a country left to govern.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘venile’
    I think you may have coined a useful new word: a specific combination of venal and senile.
    Examples:
    “Shane Jones is venal”
    “flipper is senile”
    “Winston Peters is venile”
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:59am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Hey Mike thanks for pointing that out! I think it’s my phone’s auto correct that did this. I was changing my description from senile to venal and this indicates that AI is not only very intelligent but also has a creative sense of humour!
      
      Venile. I like it (and you’re on the ball to have spotted it!) Cheers 😀
      
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      June 23, 2018 10:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        My very genuine pleasure, sir. I am sure we could nominate very many more examples of venility.
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        June 23, 2018 11:02am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I replied to Davis’ tweet, and said that whilst I could never agree with his wife politically, her political management skills were such that the clusterf*ck we are currently seeing would never have happened.
  
  Think of David Benson-Pope. For weeks in 2007, National picked away at him over his conduct regarding the Madeleine Setchell sacking. Clark stuck by him like shit sticks to a blanket.
  
  Then one Thursday Gerry Brownlee answered a very pointed question of DB-P at Question Time, and when the Minister replied confirming the allegation, he then left the Chamber and resigned. I was later told that an inconsistency had emerged in Benson-Pope’s statement, and someone from the PM’s office contacted someone from Brownlee’s office, giving him the precise wording for the question.
  
  It is very rare for a primary question to lead to a ministerial scalp; the primary questions are often generic. In this case, the primary question asked exactly the right question, which meant Benson-Pope either had to tell the truth, leading to his resignation, or had he lied, face allegations of misleading Parliament. Helen Clark dealt with him in a cold and calculating manner.
  
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  June 23, 2018 12:59pm
  - Paulus
    
    But Clare Curren always wanted his seat when she got back from Australia and got it remember.
    She worked the media in Dunedin hard to get rid of BP who is now a Dunedin Councillor.
    
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    June 23, 2018 2:20pm
holysheet

It has been said that on the day of the birth of the nations baby, that there were 20 babies born in the same hospital.. Can one ask how many of these mothers stayed in more than the aloted 1 day or less?
Or Did stupid little wonder girlie have a C section and will not reveal it as this would prove that she is not wonder girlie?
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June 23, 2018 9:05am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t forget the other 140 odd babies born elsewhere in NZ on the same day. To each of these proud mothers and fathers I bet it seemed that they had a “Royal” birth as well.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:11am
  - Piniwi
    
    But VP we need to see the breakdown of those totals as the majority might have been because of the income needs of the mother being on the other big payroll. Not being eligible for the DPB is the only thing that distinguishes the silly little girl from all the other unwed mothers. Does she get the Baby Bonus?
    
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    June 23, 2018 5:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Ah holy, being a princess makes a world of difference.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:11am
- Felt
  
  My theory is that she had an elective C section, which are scheduled in Akld for Thursdays (as well as other days). She went in early for the procedure and it was undertaken at 4pm due to the high workload that day.
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    My theory is that you have difficulty wiping your own bottom.
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:52am
    - starboard
      
      There goes mm talking bottoms again..you would think being NZ’s most notorious glory hole dweller that you would be sick of arse by now.
      
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      June 23, 2018 2:30pm
- lifesgood
  
  Yeah, she had a c section for sure. It was all about timing. Got to make the 6pm news and wash that pesky sex camp nonsense off the page.
  
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  June 23, 2018 12:44pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Expect lifegood in time as we have seen so often history will record that the surprise Government of 2017 was in so much strife the PM had to have a baby to provide a diversion. While it might be the best for helping raise children and new pets it is not as effective on voters. There goes a squirrel. Your dreamin’ this is NZ it’s a ferret .
    
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    June 23, 2018 5:28pm
- RF
  
  3 nights now….. Please remind me about the poor mothers given the arse 4 hours after birth.
  
  Nice to be privileged…
  
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  June 23, 2018 6:34pm
  - lifesgood
    
    You get up to after a C section. Just saying. #tooposhtopush
    
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    June 23, 2018 7:14pm
Manolo

A never ending Mexican wave (invasion):
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Tuesday declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”
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- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo, build a wall!
  
  DUH!
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:17am
  - Manolo
    
    Likewise, would you like to see Auckland, your hometown, swamped by more refugees, stephieboy? I look forward to your answer.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:23am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, the current quota we have agreed to would do nicely, thank you.
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:38am
      - igm
        
        One of them is too many!
        
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        June 23, 2018 10:50am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      All of the stephieboys are refugees
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:42am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        As are all those Saffers on the North Shore.
        
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        June 23, 2018 10:00am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        There are also a lot of Mikes around with varying identities.
        How does that work?
        
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        June 23, 2018 3:37pm
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie, morning, are the goats getting out again. I though during the Winter you kept them in Frasier House.??
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:36am
Inandout

The little immigrant girl shown crying by Time magazine was not separated from her parents. What a lying bloody magazine. I am so glad I stopped subscribing to that magazine 10 years ago, because even back then the leftard journalists had taken over. Actually looking back to the lengthy New York power cut in the 1970s, when the mainly blacks rioted and looted, Time sided with the thieves (because they were downtrodden).
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June 23, 2018 9:09am
- VicParking
  
  Also all those photo’s of Childern huddled under those silver survival blankets were taken in 2014.
  FAKE NEWS lives
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:13am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Who was POTUS then? Never mind, move along, nothing to see here
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:45am
  - Colville
    
    but everytime this fake news shite surfaces another 1000 people will vote Trump ….
    
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    June 23, 2018 2:10pm
- artemisia
  
  So the illegals and their children will be detained on army bases until deportation. Good plan.
  
  Saw somewhere that the mother of the child in the viral pic had been deported back to Honduras once already.
  
  Few face palms? Maybe but … crickets.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:16am
  - Paulus
    
    But something like 10,000 of the children detained did not arrive with their own parents.
    Families were bribed I understand financially to take another child or children.
    Where are they going to go as the “incoming” parents have done their job ?
    
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    June 23, 2018 2:23pm
- Huevon
  
  Like the drowned Syrian boy, these images are intentionally used to manipulate public opinion to support far Left political goals. It’s downright evil.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:17am
- stephieboy
  
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  Inandout, another fact- tard?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:18am
  - pentwig
    
    only another day for you to be downclicked into oblivion stupidboy
    LOL
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:48am
- kowtow
  
  They did the same thing with the Kurdish human traffickers child , that helped unleash another tide into Europe.
  
  The MSM for the most part is an actual enemy of the working tax paying citizen of the west.
  
  Meanwhile there is relative silence about the slaughter in the Med . Again , politicians are complicit by not putting an absolute stop to the intake (like Australia did) and the NGOs who are bringing them in by ferry service are every bit as guilty..
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:27am
Liberty

This weeks nine days wonder.
Only 8 days to go.
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June 23, 2018 9:10am
oldpark

A time to reflect on the Peters selected NZs PM Ardern.
Lo and behold Ardern gives birth to a child ,just like many many millions of women have done before.
To hear and read the kudos for such an event almost in the realms of hysteria beggars belief.
The child will have a priveliged lifestyle and so it should.
Sadly not the same result for the circa 1500 youths dumped from NZs Charter Schools and the circa 10,000 wage earners in Taranaki who will become redundant with the unilateral cancelling of oil and gas exploration,by the Coalition of Corruption and Confusion.
All because of mad dog ideaology by Arderns and Peters Gang of No hopers.
Wonder will the type of raw deal aided and abetted by Peters Ardern and Shaw in both instances get as much as NZs and worldwide coverage of the birth of a child to an unmarried mother called Ardern selected by Peters to masquerade as NZS PM.
Think it will snow in hell first.
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June 23, 2018 9:11am
- VicParking
  
  But don’t worry all the homeless will be housed in warm, dry, unmolded and P’less homes.Thats of course that Venezuela doesn’t bet us turning into hell.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
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  oldpark,
  
  “A time to reflect on the Peters selected NZs PM Arder”
  
  Like the Seymour selected NZ PM under the Nats?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:23am
  - gravedodger
    
    Of understanding Seymour actually “won” a seat in that Parliament voted in by the voters in Epsom to represent them in Wellington, no KFC involved, not even a cuppa tea.
    
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    June 23, 2018 10:57am
Inandout

Obviously only the likes of Minto believes the Hamas bullshit.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-paid-family-to-say-baby-killed-by-tear-gas-says-gaza-terror-suspect/
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June 23, 2018 9:14am
- VicParking
  
  When the child was removed from the list of so called IDF casualties I did not notice the MSM apologising for running the ‘Fake News’ story.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:21am
  - GoVege
    
    I thought it was very strange that anybody would take a baby to a protest.
    Of course being female, she would be dispensable in their eyes…
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:48am
- stephieboy
  
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  Inandout, is this the same Times of Israel report?,
  
  Gaza ministry removes baby from list of people killed by Israeli army
  
  Authorities investigate death of eight-month-old who ‘had pre-existing condition’
  
  Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry has said it has removed an eight-month-old baby from a list of people killed by Israeli troops while authorities investigate to determine the cause of death.
  
  The ministry announced last week that Leila al-Ghandour died from teargas inhalation during a 14 May demonstration along the frontier, where it said Israeli fire killed more than 60 people.
  
  A doctor was later anonymously cited by the Associated Press as saying the infant had a pre-existing medical condition and that he did not believe teargas caused her death.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/24/gaza-ministry-removes-baby-from-list-of-people-killed-by-israeli-army
  
  ( MSM Guardian. Sigh! )
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:29am
  - VicParking
    
    No apology to be seen anywhere, remember the story was being called bullshit even before the Guardian article was run.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:40am
  - Inandout
    
    Your last comment said it all..Guardian.
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:40am
secondcumming

From the ‘CRY ME A RIVER* file.

Yet another ‘puff-piece’ in the Herald about a refugee now living in this country, who sez… “We sailed over corpses to get to New Zealand”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1009995323060707330

Sort of reminded me of the cultural background used in defense of that *SAINEY MARONG*, the murdering necrophiliac butcher from Gambia, who was allowed to stay here after destroying his passport when he arrived. That worked out well…..especially for the beautiful Renee Duckmanton.

Yessirree Bob 🙁
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June 23, 2018 9:25am
Nukuleka

Just said farewell to a 22 year old guest from the UK, a graduate in psychology who is about to start work with a child welfare agency in England. Among the views she expressed were: non white offenders in prison are the result of white supremacist views in the UK and therefore not personally responsible for the crimes they committed; more terrorist attacks in the UK are perpetrated by whites than non whites; as it is easier from children to transition genders than adults, children should have the right to make that choice if they feel they have been born into the wrong body.

I have no doubt that this otherwise normal and pleasant young woman has been indoctrinated by the progressive Marxist lecturers at her University. There are already signs of this happening in our own Universities and we should be very worried.
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June 23, 2018 9:46am
- GoVege
  
  Omg!!!
  But what’s Marxism got to do with such irrational ideas?
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:51am
  - Inandout
    
    Well GV, Marxism is irrational, so the link is obvious.
    
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    June 23, 2018 10:34am
    - GoVege
      
      I do like what he said about religion being the opiate of the masses, though. 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 10:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Marx is no more responsible for what self-described Marxists have done in the name of his philosophy than Jesus of Nazareth is responsible for the hate-filled ideas of many self-described Christians on this blog.
        
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        June 23, 2018 11:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It is the foundation for (Marx’s) conflict theory and (modern) intersectionality theory from which all such stupidity flows within the humanities.
    
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    June 23, 2018 4:24pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Complete insanity fostered by academia and it’s taken over the world. This generation is constantly surprised, it seems, by societies developing cultures which they value and which resist outside interference based on the basic human necessity for predictable environments to maintain mental health. All that’s resulting from the ‘modern global world’ is increasing mental ill-health.
  
  I find it difficult to comprehend how those who don’t believe in a human soul/spirit – an entity which exists independent of the body – can claim to have been ‘born into the wrong body’. Anyone feel free to explain this to me. What, precisely, does this mis-born being comprise and where did it come from?
  
  I’m also heartily sick of hearing about how the US and the EU et al deal with migrants and all their supposed failings in doing so – not to mention others like us with constant demands for taking them in.
  
  The essential problem lies in the parent countries – i.e. Mexico, Africa, and the ME. Why does the world not hold these countries accountable for creating and maintaining such awful societies that huge swathes of their populations want to run away? Why are they not responsible for paying the costs of them everywhere?
  
  The UN is a disgraceful con and waste of time. It does nothing for these people or the world, nothing to ameliorate the causes of desperate ‘migration’. The UN and the MSM rather attack those whose populations value their societies as if it’s somehow their fault – and berate them to alter those societies into the same kind the migrants have left behind.
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:37am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Brilliant comment Anne. As always.
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:00am
  - Philview
    
    Sounds like you are saying there are “shithole countries”. You are in need of some thought conversion therapy!
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep . They are dumps.
    
    The natives themselves said “white man go home”. The academics and left cried , yes colonialism is evil , give them independance to forge their own way in the world.
    
    Now they’ve completely fucked up their own countries ,the new cry is “Let us in , we must escape our shit holes, you must accomodate us” And the same left wing media and academia cries , ‘Let them in , they can’t live in their own mess, they must come in and mess up the west too.’
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:34am
    - secondcumming
      
      Wish I’d said that 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 1:47pm
- Inandout
  
  Nuku, the UK establishment must be shaking in their Harrods shoes; you know the very same people who run MI5/6. Maggy Thatcher was seen as an outsider because of her humble background, and Theresa May likewise, but politicians can turn a country upside down in a very short space of time. I consider the UK to be on the edge of disaster because of wanton immigration, and Trump’s visit will bring every airhead and society hater onto the streets.
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @nukuleka
  
  There have always been young wets wandering off from university.
  
  When they get into the workforce and discover how wet, bigoted, hypocritical and inefficient some of their fellow believers are, they sometimes wake up.
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:43am
- lifesgood
  
  Nukuleka, She’s a bloody nutcase! What a disgrace unleashing her on the public.
  
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  June 23, 2018 12:48pm
Monique Watson

Did the baby get a hat and a million knit booties? Has the clip fallen off yet?
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June 23, 2018 9:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You’ve come to the right place to commune with fellow baby-obsessives, Monique.
  
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  June 23, 2018 10:03am
  - Longknives
    
    C’mon Mikey- I bet you’ve ordered the commemorative Tea set already..
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You would have to point me at the fan site for that. I’m sure with your keen interest, you have that sorted out, so please report.
      
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      June 23, 2018 11:59am
softail 1450

GUESS WHO…
1) I don’t know,
2) I’m not sure,
3) Its to early to say,
4) I can’t be sure,
5) Maybe,
6) Possibly,
7) There’s a good chance…
Yes ,Phil Twatford, talking this morning about Kiwibuild….FFS.
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June 23, 2018 10:48am
- waikatogirl
  
  Judith Collins said yesterday, during their weekly interview that Phil Twitford and his Kiwibuilt scheme has $2 billion allocated to it. From that $2b so far Phil has managed to build 18 houses.
  
  It has been 8 months since the COL were elected. At that rate, by the next election Twitford will only have managed to construct 126 more Kiwibuild homes.
  
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  June 23, 2018 11:44am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    This will be ramped up to 140 more WG
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:54am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Well that’s ok then HC.
      Twitford couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. But he could tell everyone how it’s done. ?
      
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      June 23, 2018 12:43pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Twitford, He’s an ex teacher…those who can do, those who can’t, teach.
        
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        June 23, 2018 12:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There’s no mention of Twyford being a schoolteacher in these …
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10551817
        https://www.labour.org.nz/philtwyford
        
        -ex Journalist of the defunct Auckland Star
        – union organiser
        -Oxfam worker
        
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        June 23, 2018 4:06pm
  - artemisia
    
    Those 18 are still under construction aren’t they?
    
    And anyway, you have missed the rejigging of Mr Twyford’s calendar as the first Kiwibuild year officially does not start until 1 July. So starting a week from now we will see at least 20 new owners moving in each week, and that’s just in the first year. After that families will be turning the key in their very own front door by the hundreds every month.
    
    And hurray! Mr Twyford has announced that expressions of interest have been called for prefabrication initiatives. What I want to know, who is paying for the huge capital involved and what happens when Kiwibuild programme is finished.
    
    Which BTW might be well before 10 years is up. And all those new tradies, trained up and ready but no jobs? Not even any trees to plant instead.
    
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    June 23, 2018 12:54pm
    - Paulus
      
      It will take some years to rejig a factory to produce these pre fabs.
      China can ship them in days flatpacked in a container with everything for re assembly
      
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      June 23, 2018 2:28pm
      - artemisia
        
        Fletcher Building say they are ready to scale up quickly.
        
        About China flatpacks, they have already shipped at least one small apartment block here ready to be plugged together. Included wiring, plumbing, furniture and I think whiteware (not sure about that). There were in life quality issues. Our company was invited to look over it and put in a part time maintenance proposal. (We looked, didn’t propose.)
        
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        June 23, 2018 3:35pm
  - softail 1450
    
    WG,those 18 aren’t finished until august/september.
    
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    June 23, 2018 1:35pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes softail, but he has $2 billion dollars. Do we get to see how he is allocating that substantial amount of money for Kiwibuild? Considering they are to be affordable homes for first-time home owners, how much will each house cost to build versus how much each house will be sold for. Will the taxpayer be subsidising these new house purchases?
      
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      June 23, 2018 2:15pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    To be fair Waikatogirl, Twyford hasn’t completed ANY Kiwibuild homes yet. The 18 McLellan subdivision homes which are due for completion in September were planned and funded by the previous government. Twyford is still to get any runs on the board.
    
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    June 23, 2018 3:29pm
    - artemisia
      
      Mr Twyford has already claimed them as Kiwibuild, on the basis that they would not have gone ahead had he not stepped in with a contract. I expect to see more similar claims.
      
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      June 23, 2018 3:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Rocket launch this afternoon.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12076409

Hubby and I will take on NZ Space Force duties until the Yanks arrive.
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June 23, 2018 10:55am
- Monique Watson
  
  Clear skies and looking good for the launch.
  
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  June 23, 2018 11:30am
Jack5

Former Afghan president Hamid Karzai says America, by treating Pakistan as an ally, is feeding the hands that kills American and allied soldiers and Afghan civilians.

He makes the claim in an interview on Der Spiegel, which includes this:

“… while the United States knew about and told us about the sanctuaries and the training grounds in Pakistan and that all that violence was coming to us from Pakistan, they treated Pakistan as an ally and supported the Pakistani army with billions of dollars and continue to do so today.”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/hamid-karzai-on-afghanistan-we-failed-miserably-a-1212907.html
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June 23, 2018 12:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps the US should have invaded Pakistan as well as Afghanistan?
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:22pm
Philview

I have noticed Lockwood Smith mentioned in the UK this week. Telling the UK to get out of the EU and resist the forces of Remain. I agree with him but interesting that he is getting a high profile platform on this.

Here is an example

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/978285/Brexit-news-Liam-Fox-BBC-Laura-Kuenssberg-EU-exit-no-deal

Another thought as NZ seeks an FTA with the EU we need to be wary that the Coalition doesn’t sign us up for an FTA that includes a condition to settle migrants.
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June 23, 2018 12:20pm
- Jack5
  
  Good point, Philview. The EU would love to unload a few score thousand African and Middle East migrants on NZ.
  
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  June 23, 2018 12:23pm
- simpleton1
  
  I had the same thoughts too, and wondering if we have some negotiators too willing to accept and turn a blind eye to a lot of “pre conditions”.
  
  Conditions, like how cucumbers and bananas are supposed to be shaped etc.
  Conditions regarding how the internet is to be run and accessed.
  Conditions to be more green, pay more carbon tax, etc.
  
  The EU will be looking for that “ring” to rule over all the kingdoms, even the one way out of “middle earth” down under.
  
  Many of the current government will see that it would allow another alternative to jump to, the EU, than just the UN.
  
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  June 23, 2018 1:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You think our banana exports to the EU may be jeopardised?
    
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    June 23, 2018 4:23pm
Jack5

The Radio NZ programme This Way Up is coming to an end. Too bad, as it had some interesting technology stories.

I guess it doesn’t fit the Maorification of Radio NZ. Bugger all Maori technology to report on.
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June 23, 2018 12:21pm
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, I loved that programme, apolitical too.
  Can’t work out what’s going on because Simon Morton keeps saying he is just taking a break but makes it sound more final than that. Radio NZ has just gone steadily downhill over the last couple of years. Apart from the apalling Guyon Espiner posing as a maori and subjecting everyone to longer and longer rants in maori, they stopped Sounds Historical, one of their best programmes, Lloyd Scott has retired, they have taken on John Campbell and Karyn Hay and now this. What a sad excuse for what was once a wonderful station…a bit like the NZ Herald, really.
  
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  June 23, 2018 12:55pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    I wrote to it when Sounds Historical was finishing and got some bullshit reply that did not explain why it was finishing.
    Sounds as though anything that does not fit the lefty agenda is being excised.
    
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    June 24, 2018 4:54am
- Longknives
  
  “Bugger all Maori technology to report on.”
  
  There was a Maori activist a few years ago who claimed Maori were as technologically advanced as the Europeans were when they were Colonised- But that Pakeha invaders smashed all this ‘Technology’ up!
  As usual this astounding claim went unchallenged…
  
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  June 23, 2018 2:33pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Until now, when the fearless Longknives will provide a citation from this ‘activist’ and examples of how the claim went unchallenged hitherto.
    
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    June 23, 2018 4:27pm
Monique Watson

Is the shit still running down the walls?
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June 23, 2018 12:33pm
Manolo

The MSM lying bastards exposed (once again):
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/white-house-accuses-democrats-media-exploiting-toddler-photo-175002249.html
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June 23, 2018 1:08pm
Milhous

Lock him up!!!’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12076429

I mean, the Law MUST be followed!
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June 23, 2018 1:17pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Don’t be silly – he’s a reality TV show star, not a dirty, thieving Mexican. Where is your sense of proportion?
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:28pm
VicParking

Breaking News. Baby has had its first crap ? it was covered in glitter ✨
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June 23, 2018 1:27pm
- The Heat
  
  First crap: A One News Two-Hour Special
  
  And some weather.
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:18pm
Hugh Pavletich

As Housing Prices Soar, New Zealand Tackles a Surge in Homelessness – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/world/australia/new-zealand-homeless.html

AUCKLAND, New Zealand — New Zealand is known to many outsiders as a beautiful, affluent country, the place where the “Lord of the Rings” movies were made. But Joseph Takairangi and thousands of others know it better for the expensive housing that lies far out of their reach.

On a recent cool night in a misty rain, Mr. Takairangi and some of his friends were looking for somewhere to spend the night. They had decamped to a parking lot after being ejected from a stretch of takeaway food shops in Henderson, an Auckland suburb.

Soon, a speaker mounted on a wall above them crackled: “Move along, please, guys.”

New Zealand has the highest homelessness rate among the wealthy nations that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Yale University study found last year, though it noted that definitions of homelessness vary by country. Social workers here say the country’s homeless — 1 percent of the population, according to a comprehensive study from a New Zealand university — increasingly include people with jobs. …

… Auckland, the country’s largest city, consistently ranks among the 10 least affordable housing markets in Demographia International’s annual global survey, which measures house prices against income. … read more via hyperlink above …

Don’t be put off by the HAM – I believe you can still buy a house | Stuff.co.nz
… note readers’ poll …

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/104817263/Don-t-touch-the-HAM-its-off

Queenstown pod like a ‘big coffin’ | Otago Daily Times Online News

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/queenstown-pod-big-coffin
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June 23, 2018 1:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Some new mothers are expected to leave hospital within a few hours of receiving an epidural
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12075091

Special mothers get to stay for a few days because they are tired.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12076443

Might be time for midwives and hospitals to give new mums a chance to choose whether they leave hospital early, don’t you think?
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June 23, 2018 2:00pm
- Johnboy
  
  If they got the right sort of Matrons these days there’d be no arguments at all about staying for longer! 🙂
  
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  June 23, 2018 2:43pm
Johnboy

I think in view of the fact that Jacinda owes Winston big time for her totally unexpected $470,000 pa she should name the first baby “Winona”!
Sort of a combo of “Winston owns her” and “One owner…. hardly run in yet” 🙂
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June 23, 2018 2:41pm
Longknives

If you want to read something utterly nauseating then check out Kim Workman’s comments regarding the horrific murder of Blessie Gotingco.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104652553/backlash-and-backdowns-scrutinised-sex-offender-reintegration-up-for-review

“The assumption is that that level of surveillance will decrease reoffending, but there’s not a lot of evidence for that. Placed under that sort of pressure, it might cause them to commit crime rather than not.”

Yep he is blaming Police and Probation etc for ‘driving’ Tony Robinson to murder that poor woman…
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June 23, 2018 3:06pm
- Johnboy
  
  Kim Workman is a geriatric old fart. The time that anybody took any notice whatsoever of his demented ramblings is long past. 🙂
  
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  June 23, 2018 3:20pm
  - DigNap15
    
    So true, he is an evil do gooder with an agenda
    But sadly a lot of people think that he is a genius and has all the answers.
    
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    June 23, 2018 4:20pm
    - Viking2
      
      It appears that Little Andrew is one of those people.
      
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      June 23, 2018 6:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  As usual, you are reading waaay too much into that comment.
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:29pm
softail 1450

So much for labours long awaited baby bounce, 36 hrs and GONE,,,,,,,Yeeee Haaaaa.
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June 23, 2018 3:50pm
MrTips

Got a tattoo? Chances are you’ll die earlier than those without them: https://academic.oup.com/ajcp/article/142/1/99/1761486#

Small numbers, preliminary findings but interesting nonetheless. Better stats in it than a climate change or sugar tax paper too.
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June 23, 2018 3:56pm
Johnboy

Look at this shit! What sort of useless wankers do we employ in our public service? When Kawakawa Station was sold there should have been a watertight agreement on public access up the Otakaha to Kawakawa hut! How much will this public service fuckup cost us in legal fees? How come we keep on employing fuckwits in our public service? 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104696825/chinese-owner-tramping-access-harms-nzs-image
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June 23, 2018 4:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What did you think of the theory the other day that the government’s ‘cap’ on public service numbers had just led to extra hundreds of millions of dollars spent on consultants and lower overall levels of actual services?
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:32pm
  - Johnboy
    
    All things being taken into consideration and with the fiscal responsibilities being carefully analysed not withstanding any prior commitment to the budget parameters I really think they should increase the public service by one unit and offer you your old job as paperclip accountant back Milkey so you wont have time to annoy us here at KB anymore! 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 4:56pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You are a bit out of touch, Johnboy. All the paperclip accountants were made redundant yonks ago to reduce the numbers in the core public service. Most departments now contract in the services of quantitative office logistics specialists, however, so the vital function of paperclip audit and reconciliation is still performed.
      
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      June 23, 2018 5:18pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Well I’m so old I’m almost as mad as Winston Peters or Kim Workman Milkey so you really should allow for a little tad of dementia in my comments! 🙂
        
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        June 23, 2018 5:24pm
krazykiwi

John Roughan: The public would not respond well to baby’s political exploitation
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blah blah blah … and then this:

But if Labour is re-elected it will probably have less to do with the Prime Minister’s toddler, and everything to do with whether she has kept this coalition together. So far she is doing exceptionally well.

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Jacinda appears to have thoroughly won the respect of Winston Peters who carries the task of keeping the coalition together over the next six weeks.

Riiight. Winston demonstrated that respect by suing his own government within minutes of our Little Pony heading off to calve.

Seriously… what planet (or plant) is Roughan on?
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June 23, 2018 4:06pm
BeaB

Just keep clicking on those baby stories so the media keep churning out more and more rubbish until the whole country reaches peak baby and has had a gutsful.
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June 23, 2018 4:16pm
MrTips

Irony for the day: even though it bans new Mosques & minarets, Switzerland’s progress in the Fifa WC depended today on a Kosovian born Muslim.
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June 23, 2018 4:17pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s okay for him to play for their victory; but not for him to pray for it, I guess.
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:33pm
DigNap15

Is it peak baby ? or puke baby?
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June 23, 2018 4:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I suppose you could take a measure by calculating the percentage of GD comments each day that are fixated on this vital issue. But you snowflakes would probably shy away from such a chore.
  
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  June 23, 2018 4:35pm
Monique Watson

Launch scrubbed but still a window.
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June 23, 2018 4:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Had the most perfect day here on the East Coast.
  
  I sent hubby up to the top of the hill to check for aliens and Russian spies.
  I stayed home and chopped wood.
  
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  June 23, 2018 5:16pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Thank the Diety that you got all the wood in before he had to sort out the lantern Maggy! 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 5:18pm
  - nasska
    
    I’m certain that the unusual customs practised at Chateau Wassilieff are discussed in depth at cocktail parties on Kaiti Hill. 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 5:31pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Since you’ve moved to a palatial townhouse in a gated community in the best part of Eke nasska I suppose we can no longer expect reports from the neighbours on your strange sexual practices? 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 5:45pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Cocktail parties?
      
      What hors d’ouevre requires kilos of lambs’ tails?
      
      That’s the latest offering dumped down the seaward face of Kaiti Hill.
      
      There was a fat old ewe at the mobsters’ place this arvo…. we might wander up the hill tomorrow and collect its guts for some haggis & sausages.
      
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      June 23, 2018 5:59pm
  - nasska
    
    No longer in Eke or gated JB. We bought a retirement home amongst the peasantry in what passes for an upmarket part of Masterton. Fortunately for my sanity we’re also buying a holiday home in the Far North.
    
    The theory is that by alternating residences the neighbours won’t get a pattern to the sex parties. 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 5:55pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Kaiti could hardly be called “The far north” unless you’re travelling there on your old Fergie nasska! 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 6:04pm
    - Viking2
      
      Ah but will they all get invited?
      
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      June 23, 2018 6:59pm
lifesgood

What’s the story with the fairy princesses father? I thought he’d been gifted a cruisey number, dozing under a coconut tree in the islands. It seems he is back here in Christchurch taking a wood working course? Maybe twitford has recruited him to help build his thousands of houses.
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June 23, 2018 6:07pm
- Johnboy
  
  I wish jokers like you would show due respect to the first cock and balls! 🙂
  
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  June 23, 2018 6:09pm
nasska

A quick contrast between Advent #1 & Advent #2:

#1 The impending birth of Baby Jesus was announced by a star in the Eastern sky.

#2 The impending birth of Jacinda junior was announced (ad nauseam) by a pack of mad bitches masquerading as MSM journalists.

1# So far as we can tell the Messiah made His entry to the World when He was good & ready.

2# The arrival of the nation’s First Baby was choreographed to coincide with the evening TV news.

#1 There’s no mention of the first changing of the straw in the manger

#2 The diligent NZ MSM had the changing of the first shitty nappy covered within the hour.

#1 Apart from waffling some crap about “immaculate conceptions” Mary had bugger all to say about the birth.

#2 Jacinda has tweeted her little heart out while waiting for a good offer from the MSM before blabbing everything.

Conclusion: PR & info massaging has made great strides in the past two millennia. 🙂
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June 23, 2018 6:25pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’d love to have there when Winston, Grant and Kelvin dismounted from their camels outside the manger! 🙂
  
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  June 23, 2018 6:33pm
  - nasska
    
    Face it! If that’s the best we can muster up in the way of wise men, we’re fucked. 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 6:38pm
  - stigie
    
    If Grant had covered some distance on a camel, he’d have a very sore arse !~
    
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    June 23, 2018 6:51pm
    - Johnboy
      
      The same thing might happen if he got a ride in a bus stigie! 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 7:00pm
    - nasska
      
      I know Grant is an active member of the gay community stigie but I don’t think he could accommodate a camel’s hump! 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 7:00pm
      - Johnboy
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjNIMVu5nHk
        
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        June 23, 2018 7:04pm
      - stigie
        
        And i thought this was a family blog Nasska..?
        
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        June 23, 2018 7:15pm
      - nasska
        
        Apologies stigie. I forgot! 🙂
        
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        June 23, 2018 7:19pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I hope Alf’s kept his job after those bastard socialist regional councillors shafted the bus company. 🙂
        
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        June 23, 2018 7:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Johnboy, turning you on?
        
        eww ..
        
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        June 23, 2018 7:34pm
  - Harkman
    
    Grant and dismount should not have a G rating on this website.?
    
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    June 23, 2018 7:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska , who cares about your frothing and foaming in your mouth and brain!,
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/homeopathy-fan-thinks-rabid-dog-saliva-can-cure-boys-bad-behaviour-2018-4?r=US&IR=T
  
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  June 23, 2018 7:29pm
  - sooty
    
    You had better bath in it dickhead.
    
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    June 23, 2018 7:54pm
  - nasska
    
    Glad you’re here stephieboy. Yesterday afternoon on GD our fellow commentator, Inandout had some distressing news concerning the Mt Roskill pool. His comment:
    
    …..”it has been noted that after the Muslim women have bathed during their two hour stint the faeces count goes up markedly”…..
    
    I realise that scraping the shit off your arse with your fingers probably isn’t as effective as using toilet paper but don’t you think that they could employ someone to hose the swimmers down before they enter the pool? 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 7:55pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy would have to pass a “working with children” check first, Nasska!
      
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      June 23, 2018 8:51pm
Lee C

Labour won’t release the report. Jacinda will state that ‘as a mother’ she has a duty to ‘protect’ the victims and besides, the report is really just ‘working notes’.
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June 23, 2018 7:04pm
Viking2

MM you have been found out.

Companies are paying internet “trolls” to answer back to customers in a way the company couldn’t without generating controversy, new research has found.

Trolling – the art of getting people angry for the fun of it – has gone from being an annoyance to an industry, or perhaps both.

“Some more risky brands are paying trolls to pose as customer service reps to respond to complaints and questions in a way the brand couldn’t or wouldn’t usually,” says University of Canterbury doctoral student Maja Golf-Papez.

She found there’s a difference between trolls and cyber bullies.

“A troll typically has no intent to cause harm but is trying to provoke a reaction, whereas cyber bullying is targeted with the purpose of causing harm to an individual person.”

Academic supervisor and co-author Associate Professor Ekant Veer says Ms Golf-Papez’ research has proven not all trolls belong under bridges.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/online-trolls-turn-mischief-making-into-money.html
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June 23, 2018 7:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who would be wasting their money on KB’s trolls?
  
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  June 23, 2018 7:52pm
Viking2

After posting eight years of record profits Commonwealth Bank has a record fine – the largest in Australian corporate history at NZ$760 million.

Australia’s financial intelligence unit AUSTRAC found the bank failed to flag suspicious transactions, breaching money laundering and anti-terror laws more than 53,000 times.

Every transaction over AU$10,000 must be reported to Australian authorities, but the bank’s Intelligent Deposit Machines reported nothing for three straight years.

In that period, the bank admits, millions of dollars were laundered to drug syndicates offshore. The penalty could’ve been larger, a maximum of more than AU$1 trillion.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2018/06/asb-s-australian-owner-commonwealth-bank-hit-with-record-760m-fine.html?ref=ves-vid1

Got of light.

still like Fletchers it had a boss who failed.
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June 23, 2018 7:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Who will hold the Oz gubmint to account for allowing in thousands of potential terrorists during the same period?
  
  A gubmint that failed.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:06pm
sooty

I see that Labour are bringing in a shit load of slaves, again.
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June 23, 2018 7:59pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=3Fum_1529724765

TED Talks | Pedophilia Is A Natural Sexual Orientation

“Pedophiles and radical leftists both are adamant that children can “consent” to all manner of things, and if pedophilia is enshrined under human right legislation as a protected sexual orientation, then they will be pushing relentlessly to affirm that children can “consent” to sex with adults.
They are pushing to normalize pedophilia by reclassifying it as a normal sexual orientation. Their argument is of course “we’re doing this to protect the children”, but there is absolutely no reason why pedophilia must be reclassified as a sexual orientation for there to be confidential mental health resources available to pedophiles.”

The madness continues…
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June 23, 2018 8:16pm
Nostradamus

From Nasska’s religion today segment: French Catholic priest forced to retire after slapping crying baby

A French Catholic priest today spoke of his shame after being forced into instant retirement for hitting a two-year-old boy for crying during his baptism.
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In a video of the incident that has gone viral, a clearly irritated Father Jacques is seen shouting at the boy. “Calm down, calm down, you must calm down,” he says, adding “be quiet” before squeezing the boy’s face in his hands. The priest then stares at the boy in the eyes, and slaps him hard on the cheek with his left hand. The aggression prompts an immediate reaction from the boy’s horrified parents and other family members, who finally prise him away from Father Jacques’s grip.

Denying that the assault was too severe, Father Jacques told France Info radio on Friday: “It was somewhere between a caress and a slap, I hoped to calm him down, I didn’t know what to do. The child was screaming a lot and I had to turn his head to pour water over it.

So a cheek squeeze, a slap in the face and then waterboarding torture. Outrageous!
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June 23, 2018 8:48pm
- nasska
  
  …..”So a cheek squeeze, a slap in the face and then waterboarding torture”…..
  
  So now the priesthood have regressed to practising BDSM on curtain climbers. I bet the dirty bastard had a hard on!
  
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  June 23, 2018 8:57pm
RF

Almost feel sorry for Ross Ardern who presents as a rather confused old bugger.

His daughter is very head strong and caused more than a few problems for her parents.

One was turning her back on the Morman faith and announcing her following of Marxist ideals. Another was her hooking up with a dodgy guy with a history as a womaniser.

She is a loving parents worse nightmare.
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June 23, 2018 8:53pm
Johnboy

For you Nostra!
Translated from the French!

Are you slapping? Are you slapping?
Brother John, Brother John,
Prison cells are waiting! Prison cells are waiting!
Oh God damn! Oh God damn! 🙂
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June 23, 2018 8:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Should this be sung using the rhythm of “There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza”? It seems to work 🙂
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:00pm
  - Johnboy
    
    No. It’s good old Frere Jacques Nostra. Your sunday school education is obviously a bit patchy. 🙂
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:05pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Would you suggest that I pop in to St Albans tomorrow for a bit of a refresher, Johnboy?
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:08pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Not if thats Dads parish old chap! 🙂
        
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        June 23, 2018 9:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It will be St John The Baptist’s Feast Day. (24 June)
        You might get a sausage roll with your cuppa after Mass.
        
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        June 23, 2018 9:41pm
MrLovebucket

Has she come clean and admitted she went for the soft option and got a c-section yet?
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June 23, 2018 9:00pm
nasska

They say that childbirth is the most painful thing someone can experience.

Maybe I was too young to remember but I didn’t think it hurt that much.
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June 23, 2018 9:02pm
- Johnboy
  
  One of my ladies caught the skin of my willy in my zipper once nasska cause she thought she heard her father coming up the stairs! The pain was so severe I had to muffle my crying in between her ample breasts! 🙂
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:10pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Johnboy:
    
    her ample breasts
    
    More information needed! To use a well-known Stephieboy phrase, were they “small but ample breasts”?
    
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    June 23, 2018 9:11pm
    - Johnboy
      
      She was the best developed 16yr old I have ever seen Nostra! 🙂
      
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      June 23, 2018 9:13pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Heh heh I can’t keep up with ya’ll, I saw ‘sex parties’, a willy story and a mention of haggis all in one quick scan. I stopped there breathless and excited and have to go do a quick weather scan. Off to Tahoe tomorrow. Dinner was great, included salmon and the aforesaid shrimp and grits. Dog is boarded and I miss him already. Have a great few days.
    
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    June 23, 2018 11:57pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcMd92XqlKY

Watch this video.

It breaks down the cohorts in various western countries that have emigrated since 1990, their IQ’s, and their cultural dimensions of freedom.

It provides the empirical bases for an alt-right political orientation. Not that I am – but understanding these facts means I can understand their view-points.

If immigration continues – as is planned – into the West, the free market and the Enlightenment structures of government that characterise our civilization WILL not survive. 100%. 1 in 4 Canadians is a foreign born national. There are 50million in America if you pretend there aren’t 30million illegals. The average IQ’s of some of these cohorts is absolutely astounding. Haiti has an average IQ of 67 – and there are 700k in America. The Welfare state is a function now of immigration – immigrants get welfare, and white people pay for that welfare. It’s a basic balance – once debits outweigh credits, the global economy will collapse.

That is 100% guaranteed.

Also – please read this legislation that got passed today in New South Wales. It’s the Tommy Robinson Legislation.

I hate the monotony of being right when you assume the worst.

https://twitter.com/VicAlhadeff/status/1010060798910058496?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/bill/files/3524/XN%20Crimes%20Amendment%20(Publicly%20Threatening%20and%20Inciting%20Violence)%20Bill.pdf

David Garrett needs to read this. Because if the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies pushed this, it will be national in Australia in all states at all levels within months.

>>>It is now an offence punishable by 3 YEARS IMPRISONMENT in NSW to make a statement that is true, which does not in fact incite violence or change anyone’s state of mind, about someones’:

race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity or intersex status
or HIV/AIDS status.

They say it is a prohibition to “prohibit a person from intentionally or recklessly, by a public act, threatening or inciting violence”.

Well gee, that sounds fine, I guess. A public act of threatening or inciting violence must consist of something analogous to assault/Battery?

Definition of public act:

For the purposes of the proposed offence, a public act includes:
(a) any form of communication (including speaking, writing, displaying notices, playing of
recorded material, broadcasting and communicating through social media and other
electronic methods) to the public, and
(b) any conduct (including actions and gestures and the wearing or display of clothing, signs,
flags, emblems and insignia) observable by the public, and
(c) the distribution or dissemination of any matter to the public.

any communication
any conduct
any dissemination of information to anyone.

‘Incitement to Violence’

Get it? The leaked Rotherham Royal Commission Report will never be shared now in NSW – because Vic Alhadeff thinks truth is an incitement to violence punishable by three years imprisonment.

You know what will incite violence? This legislation. Because if you can’t say anything, what is left?

Just so you understand the scale – David’s recent series of articles about high risk individuals with crime histories would be liable under this legislation. I don’t care what anyone says – it would be liable. I would be able to prosecute that matter with a reasonable assurance of success, knowing what this bill is designed to do – which is kill Free Speech and turn the whole of NSW into a Rabbi’s clergy – where now, just like in the Hasidic tradition, the top echelon of the top chosen people decide, by force, what people are allowed to think say and do.

Those men were all Polynesian, and the blogposts were clearly an incitement for individuals to which violence upon them, as members of a group, by suggesting they are incapable of rehabilitation and that they must be kept in prison.

There is so much I want to write, but I’m too dismayed and disheartened by this. This is a gut punch. That video from Stefan Molyneux pointing out data that Vic Alhadeff knows and wants to exploit – could now be considered an incitement to violence in NSW.

It points out true immigration cohort data.

NSW is now one of the most anti-free speech jurisdictions in the world.

We are all Tommy Robinson now. NZ is Rivendell.

I’m demoralised.

I didn’t realise that the NSW Liberals were capable of this level of sheer Judas betrayal of everything they say they stand for.

Just as an aside – note that the legislation says it’s now punishable by THREE YEARS IMPRISONMENT to say that someone, or any group, have AIDS.

That’s linked to recent efforts to ‘recognise human rights’ for the AIDS infested to give blood.

If you are a cancer patient, Dialysis, suffer sepsis – you now can’t trust blood from NSW and really Australia.

It is now punishable by THREE YEARS IMPRISONMENT to make true statements about an individual with Aids, and deny that individual the right to give blood.

Yeah – this is going to do the opposite of what Vic Alhadeff wanted.

If there is anything John Key showed, it’s that he, like Maori in Australia, shows how profoundly beneficial Jews can be when they give up their neuroses.

Because John Key in a TRILLION years would never have passed such a Nazi/Communist provision as this.

It destroys everything. Truth doesn’t matter. Whether an Incitement has occurred doesn’t matter. You go to jail for 3 years.

Now – it’s going to be illegal to make true statements in Australia about protected attributes.

I’m just dismayed. Really, this is like a declaration of war on free speech – and the Liberals pulled the trigger.

Okay? This isn’t about identity. DPF would fall afoul of these provisions. They rob everyone of the ability to make true statements that are politically incorrect – punishable by THREE YEARS IMPRISONMENT.

There was no need for this, none. They already have laws.

This is Tommy Robinson legislation – now, in NSW, the secret Genrikh Yagoda police can arrest you and take you away if you ever utter or give anyone any wrong-think anywhere – EVEN IF ITS TRUE, EVEN IF IT DOESN’T IMPACT ANYONE’S STATE OF MIND.

I told everyone here this would happen.

I’ll do a longer post tomorrow maybe. The ramifications of this legislation are simply catastrophic, and I’m too angry to think clearly.

It seems as though all the most garish propaganda and conspiracy theories are true.

New South Wales has gone from a relatively free state to one of the worst anti-free speech jurisdictions in the world, because everyone there got stabbed in the back Vic Alhadeff and his organization. This is all just first reading.

What a disgrace. And what a way to create real hostility to you when you say your aim is to try and prevent that.
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  What can you say?
  
  Any form of speech whether or not it’s true, whether or not it even changes someone’s state of mind, related to any identity attribute favoured by the Jews in Australia punishable by three years imprisonment in Australia , because of Vic Alhadeff and the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies.
  
  In Australia.
  
  There are hundreds of thousands of kiwis in Australia.
  
  I’ll do something proper tomorrow. But I’m just demoralized. New Zealand will be next.
  
  And these people will conflate reaction with cause and when people like me are absolutely flabbergasted, horrified, and then move through the logical series of emotions they will say ‘Ah – see! Expressions of Violence! This is why we imposed the legislation!”
  
  It’s a very crude phrase. But now I truly understand what it means – they cry out as they strike you.
  
  Nothing deserves this. John Key was an incredible Prime Minister because like Maori in Australia, he was able to be comfortable with himself and shed all the history, and simply put his massive talents to making NZ a better place. He didn’t turn NZ into a Stasi Police state where true statements that don’t even have any impact were punishable by three years in prison. I still can’t believe it.
  
  What can you say? I can’t believe what they’ve done. It’s just so disgusting and appalling I am lost for words – which you might now understand rarely happens.
  
  New Zealand is it. New Zealand will be the last place in the world left where you can talk about what happened to the million raped little girls in England. Because the first amendment won’t survive Trump – England is gone. Now, completely out of the blue, Australia is gone. Because NSW is the driver of Australia and this will spread.
  
  There was no need for this. There really wasn’t. How can people with all the money and power and influence in the world feel this victimised that they would be willing to do this?
  
  We’re all Tommy Robinson now. I’ll do a full post tomorrow. Better enjoy the last days of free speech left ladies and gentlemen.
  
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  June 23, 2018 9:58pm
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  Why the downticks? Are you kidding me?
  
  Seriously?
  
  How am I wrong?
  
  Do you think it’s justified to put people in prison for THREE YEARS because they say something that is true, which may not even change anyone’s opinion, related to major subjects of discussion?
  
  How can a group claim to be a victim when they victimise everyone who has an opinion about pretty much everything?
  
  Race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status, and HIV/AIDs.
  
  Are you kidding me? John Key was our best Prime Minister. Rosa Luxembourg is one of my favourite intellectuals. Daniel Horowitz is my favourite jurist.
  
  Now tell me what you would have thought of John Key if he’d imposed this legislation on New Zealand?
  
  Forget it was the Australian Jewish community.
  
  Imagine it was any other group of people at all. Imagine it was One Nation if you have to, if that’s what it takes to get passed the nonsensical and ridiculous conditioning.
  
  How as a society are you supposed to talk about a massive massive swathe of political subject matter, if there mere act of doing so is an incitement to violence punishable by three years in prison?
  
  Forget about who lobbied for it – I want arguments that what they did is appropriate.
  
  Because here are some of the things we punish in NZ commensurately to true statements that don’t change state of mind:
  
  Pedophile grooming:
  
  124A Indecent communication with young person under 16
  (1) A person of or over the age of 16 years is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years if he or she intentionally exposes a person under the age of 16 years (the young person) to indecent material (whether written, spoken, visual, or otherwise, alone or in combination
  
  Incest:
  
  s 131(3): Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who does an indecent act on a dependent family member under the age of 18 years.
  
  Beastiality
  
  144 Indecency with animal
  Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who commits any act of indecency with an animal.
  
  Murdering babies:
  
  s 178 infanticide”….she should not be held fully responsible, she is guilty of infanticide, and not of murder or manslaughter, and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years”.
  
  s 179 (3) Aiding and Abetting Suicide
  
  A person who commits an offence against subsection (2) is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years.
  
  Aggravated Assault
  
  192 Aggravated assault
  (1)
  Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years
  
  s 200 Poisoning with intent
  (2)
  Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who, with intent to cause inconvenience or annoyance to any one, or for any unlawful purpose, administers to, or causes to be taken by, any person any poison or other noxious substance.
  
  There’s many more – maybe the ‘least’ serious are the crimes of selling materials designed to aid commission of crimes, and treason.
  
  Downtick all you want. This happened, and it is what it is.
  
  You’re all conflating the reaction with the cause. I don’t care what those people do. They’re good people. But this, this is absolutely disgusting and now there will be reaction, which is a RESPONSE not a CAUSE for the end of free speech in Australia.
  
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This cnut deserves a rusty needle..die you filthy feral scumbag.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/104957349/murderer-demands-10000-in-compensation–after-being-banned-from-sparring-in-prison
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If New Zealand is to crack the problems of unaffordable housing, government here must look seriously at how the better parts of America finance infrastructure, Eric Crampton argues | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/94430/if-new-zealand-crack-problems-unaffordable-housing-government-here-must-look-seriously

By Eric Crampton*

This seems about the worst possible month to be suggesting that anybody should try to emulate anything going on in America. The place seems to be going mad in ways no longer funny to laugh at from very far away.

So it’s a bit of a shame that the best lessons on infrastructure financing and affordable housing come from a few places in the United States that have really figured things out. If the exact same lessons had come from Canada, or the UK, or Estonia, Infrastructure New Zealand would have an easier time marketing its latest report.

If New Zealand is going to crack the problems of unaffordable housing, government here is going to have to look seriously at how the better parts of America finance infrastructure. Within the same country, you can find major urban areas like San Francisco that are as unaffordable as Auckland, others like Atlanta, or Houston, where housing remains very affordable – and plenty in-between.

In April, an Infrastructure New Zealand delegation visited Portland, Denver, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston and San Francisco. Their report, “Enabling City Growth: Lessons from the USA”, was released last week. … read more via hyperlink above …

Enabling City Growth: Lessons from the USA (pdf) … Infrastructure New Zealand

https://infrastructure.org.nz/resources/Documents/Reports/Infrastructure%20NZ%20USA%20Report.pdf

… Wellington Presentation Event … WED 27 JUNE 2018

Infrastructure New Zealand – WELLINGTON – WED 27 JUNE 2018 EVENT: Lessons from the USA – Planning, Funding and Enabling City Growth

https://infrastructure.org.nz/event-2932846

Infrastructure New Zealand – Home

https://infrastructure.org.nz/
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  REPRINT: As housing prices soar, New Zealand tackles a surge in homelessness, Australia/NZ News & Top Stories – The Straits Times
  
  Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/general_debate_24_june_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2239252 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/06/weekend-links-23-24-june-2018/#comment-3129381
  
  As Housing Prices Soar, New Zealand Tackles a Surge in Homelessness – The New York Times
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/world/australia/new-zealand-homeless.html
  
  AUCKLAND, New Zealand — New Zealand is known to many outsiders as a beautiful, affluent country, the place where the “Lord of the Rings” movies were made. But Joseph Takairangi and thousands of others know it better for the expensive housing that lies far out of their reach.
  
  On a recent cool night in a misty rain, Mr. Takairangi and some of his friends were looking for somewhere to spend the night. They had decamped to a parking lot after being ejected from a stretch of takeaway food shops in Henderson, an Auckland suburb.
  
  Soon, a speaker mounted on a wall above them crackled: “Move along, please, guys.”
  
  New Zealand has the highest homelessness rate among the wealthy nations that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Yale University study found last year, though it noted that definitions of homelessness vary by country. Social workers here say the country’s homeless — 1 percent of the population, according to a comprehensive study from a New Zealand university — increasingly include people with jobs. …
  
  … Auckland, the country’s largest city, consistently ranks among the 10 least affordable housing markets in Demographia International’s annual global survey, which measures house prices against income. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … reprint …
  
  As housing prices soar, New Zealand tackles a surge in homelessness, Australia/NZ News & Top Stories – The Straits Times
  
  https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/as-housing-prices-soar-new-zealand-tackles-a-surge-in-homelessness
  .
  .
  Don’t be put off by the HAM – I believe you can still buy a house | Stuff.co.nz
  … note readers’ poll …
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/104817263/Don-t-touch-the-HAM-its-off
  
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    IS KIWIBUILDS PHIL TWYFORD A BETTER PROPERTY OPERATOR THAN THESE GUYS ? …
    
    Leak latest saga in ongoing Christchurch Airport hotel ‘disaster’ | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/104889096/leak-latest-saga-in-ongoing-christchurch-airport-hotel-disaster
    
    A major water leak at the $82 million Novotel Christchurch Airport has those involved labelling it a “disaster”.
    
    The water leak caused significant damage, insiders say, and comes after extensive delays because of mistakes with steel and multiple problems with pre-fabricated bathroom pods. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … A few further lessons from Greater Christchurch … (The GREATS are the smaller and functional Selwyn and Waimakariri Councils) …
    
    Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town
    
    It was supposed to be a post-quake phenomenon, yet there is little sign of it slowing. Why are rural fringe towns like Lincoln still growing so fast? JOHN McCRONE reports.
    
    The contrast is striking. In central Christchurch, Fletcher Living is taking forever to get going on its East Frame townhouse and apartment block development.
    
    Government and council have agreed that denser inner city housing is vital to making a success of the earthquake rebuild. Yet despite inking a deal with Fletcher to build nearly 1000 homes back in 2015, the first 20 properties won’t be finished until late this year.
    
    The buyers just don’t seem to be there for them. And so the East Frame development has been uphill all the way.
    
    However, take the road half an hour out of town to Lincoln and the story is the opposite. This once sleepy village has exploded with subdivisions. Its residential footprint is now 10 times what it was 20 years ago.
    
    READ MORE:
    * Rolleston: Time to take it seriously
    * Christchurch’s $600 million motorways
    * Christchurch’s next problem: bringing residents back into the CBD
    * Government ‘locked in’ to contract for delay-riddled east frame
    
    … then we get this ‘all over the reservation’ stuff from Phil Twyford with Newshubs Duncan Garner this morning ! …
    
    Prefabs won’t make KiwiBuild homes cheaper – Twyford … Newshub
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/06/prefabs-won-t-make-kiwibuild-homes-cheaper-twyford.html
    
    … Please Phil … just abolish the artificial urban limits and properly debt finance infrastructure … and let the builders build affordable housing … with them taking the risks – not us …
    
    Opinion: Let the builders build – Kevin Atkinson of Generation Homes | Fairfax – Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/104213530/opinion-let-the-builders-build
    
    … extract …
    
    … We need to let builders get on and do their job and not be underwriters of land development.
    
    Generation Homes is building 300 to 400 houses a year. We could easily double that within our existing resources if there were infrastructure funding assistance from councils for new affordable housing developments. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    NEW ZEALAND: There is nothing ‘affordable’ about Kiwibuild Housing Minister Twyford
    
    By Hugh Pavletich
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/garner_says_kiwibuild_a_hoax.html/comment-page-1#comment-2209572
    
    … with extensive further posts on thread …
    
    Kiwibuild (however it is finally structured) CANNOT work without
    affordable land and
    properly debt financed infrastructure …
    
    … check … recently updated …
    
    PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING
    … refresh / reload if necessary …
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
    
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