General Debate 22 June 2018

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Captain Mainwaring

Alarm clock broken Kokila?
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June 22, 2018 10:04am
Random T Person

NEWSFLASH! Jacinda’s baby feeds! And Sleeps! Might Take A Shit, Too!
Fuckin Herald, seriously.
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June 22, 2018 10:06am
- Random T Person
  
  Stuff’s not much better either. According to the G-string-burning Michelle Duff, a woman having a baby is something we should all be proud of.
  For fucks sake, really??
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:08am
  - Longknives
    
    “That’s 4.2 million godparents for you, little pēpi.”
    
    Bleeeurgh!!!!
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:13am
    - Random T Person
      
      Jesus I didn’t actually read any of the drivel, I have just now reduced myself to Cycloptic status by jabbing a pen into my good eye.
      
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      June 22, 2018 10:14am
    - Philview
      
      I read the article. She made it sound like the whole country decided that we must have this baby.
      
      “Let’s just take a moment to appreciate that we, as a nation, have pushed the boundaries and created an environment where this can happen.”
      
      Let face it it was a post election shag. I did nothing to assist this process.
      
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      June 22, 2018 10:23am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Philview, you’re not referring to the fact you are a professional surrogate?
        
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        June 22, 2018 10:28am
      - Random T Person
        
        You’re a hardier soul than I.
        
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        June 22, 2018 11:29am
      - Viking2
        
        Well she did say welcome to our village.
        Apparently it needs a village to bring up one small wee baby. The parents can’t cope.
        
        Oh well never mind.
        
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        June 22, 2018 12:22pm
  - Harkman
    
    On the One News website they have the same story 4 times! They seem to be obsessed with what other international organisations think. “It was on CNN” So was “Three Barrett brothers named in All Blacks side” but One News didn’t care.
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:50am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Judging by the MSM stories/comments it will take a village idiot to raise this child
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:58am
    - pentwig
      
      ztev and stupidboy should apply and jobshare.
      The standard tossed them out of their village so they are wanting.
      The second coming might even educate them somewhat.
      
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      June 22, 2018 11:53am
  - ztev
    
    Werent we all proud a man played golf with an overpriced visitor too ?
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:55am
    - Garbageman
      
      John Key still invoking whiny liberal tears is something i am still more than proud of him accomplishing
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:26pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      No. But we have to make some attempts to maintain good relations with the 800lb gorilla that is the USA, even if we have to give money to corrupt players like the Clinton Foundation, promote Clark for a UN post and host yesterdays man Obama. John Key was tremendously good at those relationships, the greatest ambassador NZ has ever had, buying us very cheap goodwill. This is vs hamfisted stupidity of Ardern/Winston et al who have managed to piss off Aussies (manu island), US (calling trump names), Europe (supporting Russia) for no gain.
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:52pm
- UpandComer
  
  The media are based.
  
  They’re trying to promote the re-population of NZ with the volkgenossen.
  
  That’s clearly the only reason why they are praising this birth so much. Goebbels would have been proud.
  
  The only way they can prove they aren’t racist is to end coverage of the baby and replace it with coverage of the multitude of current government scandals.
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:32pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Eats Shits and Leaves.
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:46pm
DifferentPerspective

Labour think we’re stupid, and we prove them right

So 3 months and 2 days ago. The lyin’ leader stood up and said the inquiry into the Labour Youth booze and sexual abuse camps would take 2-3 months. Here is the press release and terms of reference.

At the time a few grown-ups mused about how cynically that timeframe was tailored to take us in the lyin’ leaders’ birthing period. And here we are and still nothing.

There are so many questions that are disturbing about this whole situation:
1) Why are the infinitely corruptible NZ MSM silent on this? If it was National who had promised something in 60-90 days the pressure from the media would have been relentless from about day 55! So much for ‘completely open and transparent’.
2) What the fucking hell are National doing? How useless are they to not be asking daily where the report is? I really believe Soimon can’t even organise his underwear drawer – let alone a viable opposition. Our very own ‘low energy’ Jeb Republican.
3) What is the matter with our esteemed host that he doesn’t ask this question? Is baby-brain infectious? As the nation’s top pollster I would have thought that numbers are stock in trade and 92 >90 seems a fairly simple mathematical formula to understand as being problematic?
4) Labour and more importantly the PM are no so completely relaxed about lying, that it behoves us to disbelieve everything they tell us until they are able to demonstrate incontrovertible proof that they’re not lying. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me!

Or does the miracle of childbirth absolve the whole of an intrinsically corrupt government administration who play fast and loose with children’s safety when in loco parentis?
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June 22, 2018 10:06am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I can only assume this is being buried to cover up some embarrassing connections. All the more reason to release the details.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    I have concerns, that if all the facts were released the government would have to shut down another export industry in search of a good news story to cover it up.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    I understood many pwople in tghe media know who the sexual perp is, but why are they still silent.
    Several attempts to expand have fallen on deaf ears such as the son of a senior Labour Minister/MP which is why the media have been told to stfu.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:45pm
    - sooty
      
      The reason the MSM are silent is because it is a Labour MPs child.
      
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      June 22, 2018 5:53pm
- Random T Person
  
  Short answer to last question. Yes. Most people really are that stupid and shallow. Just look at the Labour poll bounce when Jacinda took over from Little; Little was (and is) almost certainly more competent, and definitely more experienced even if he can’t win a seat, than Jacinda is….but oh look a big toothy grin and a slogan, I’ll vote for that!
  We’re surrounded by morons, I’m afraid…
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:11am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Most people really are that stupid and shallow’
    
    The joys of universalism.
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:00am
Monique Watson

Is Freddie Mercury dead?
Feckin’ open up the Herald and it’s all about Milo and Marmite. No-one asking the hard questions.
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June 22, 2018 10:07am
- stephieboy
  
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  No-one asking the hard questions.
  
  Like what?
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:29am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, Did you and ztev find your missing G F yesterday septic ? tighten that collar up boy.
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:33am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Why is Winston on the back beat and when does Robbo officially take over?
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:38am
  - pentwig
    
    like- what happened to your brain stupidboy?
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:56am
    - KiWombat
      
      He sometimes forgets to turn it on !
      
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      June 22, 2018 7:52pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Sorry, but I am a bit sweary today. Off you fuck.
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:59am
skyblue

Celebrated Jacinda’s new arrival last night with my favourite Chardonnay. Marisco, The King’s BASTARD.
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June 22, 2018 10:11am
- Random T Person
  
  You cheeky bastard 😉
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:24am
- igm
  
  Will she be taking the bundle of illegitimacy to a State house cleared by her confidant Gluckman to show the plebs she has utmost faith in his judgement?
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:44am
  - ztev
    
    Gluckman didnt write the meth report- nor all the others.
    hes like the Auditor General who doesnt write all their stuff either.
    His title is Chief Science Advisor – IN CHARGE
    
    Good news is Housing NZ is looking into ‘what went wrong’ and likely to show the dark hand of Bill English and Paula Benefit who pressured them to sell off more houses- meth contamination was just a way to empty the place and do an inside reno for sale.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:00pm
    - calendar girl
      
      “IN CHARGE” means that Gluckman was responsible for the advice given to Government, and its ultimate retraction, as well as for the outcomes arising from that contradictory advice.
      
      I wonder how much Gluckman is paid by the taxpayer. And whether he continues to be paid in that “Chief Science Advisor” role?
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:42pm
      - Paulus
        
        No – Gluckman is out now after releasing the “P” report which had been available for months.
        A new Woman Scientist has been appointed.
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:48pm
  - RF
    
    Don’t forget that the baby has to lick the carpet…
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:03pm
Rich Prick

The PM’s hungry baby.
PM shows the world how it’s done.
PM giving birth really does make history.
The future for kids born today.
Tale of two births.
Ardern’s baby twist.

FFS! And that’s just from the Stuff “content producers”.
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June 22, 2018 10:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  Even worse to get at 6.15pm yesterday, Breaking News from the BBC.
  “New Zealand’s Prime Minister…..
  
  FFS don’t these people (including the international media) have more pressing matters to tell us steeple?
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:37am
Poppa

Can someone please advise me when the baby fest is over so can resume checking for news.

My self imposed media ban is working well so far & I don’t want to spoil it
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June 22, 2018 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
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  Poppa, but it is NZ’s History being made including the youngest PM.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:31am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, “NZ history being made” oh do you mean like when Rutherford split the atom?
    I’m starting to think septicboy is in fact a 12 year old school kid that has been brainwashed in the NZ schooling system,what a clown.
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:38am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Sb must be a Labour programmed Bot. Inane questions are his forte. ?
      
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      June 22, 2018 11:57am
  - Harkman
    
    “but it is NZ’s History being made including the youngest PM.” Gosh you are either dumb or lazy, everyone knows that Edward Stafford was our youngest Prime Minister.
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:43am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Harkman , your right but only just,
      
      Youngest PMs on gaining office: Edward Stafford (1856), 37 years 5 weeks; Jacinda Ardern (2017), 37 years 3 months
      
      https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/premiers-and-pms/trivia
      
      Certainly the youngest this and last century and Edward Safford only a by a whisker.
      
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      June 22, 2018 11:00am
      - gravedodger
        
        Some people have a serious affliction that presents as a total ignorance of right and wrong, quite common amongst those of a socialist belief.
        
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        June 22, 2018 11:41am
      - dubya
        
        I don’t care about her age, I care whether she is a competent PM. So far, an abject failure, I hope she does not come back from maternity leave.
        
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        June 22, 2018 11:49am
      - GazzaW
        
        So Harkman was right stupidboy. Why are you arguing the toss? And who gives a flying fuck whether she was the youngest so far this century and the last?
        
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        June 22, 2018 12:03pm
      - backster
        
        Did Safford win an election or did he also gain office by a gerrymander.
        
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        June 22, 2018 12:14pm
      - alloytoo
        
        The Youngest mental age certainly….
        
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        June 22, 2018 12:33pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy ,just a little porky aye septic ,about the same as just being a little pregnant .
        But then truth and facts are for the “alt right “only,
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if the Greens and the Labour Reformers who led the charge in dismantling NZ’s Forest Service take pleasure in the results of their laissez-faire approach to management of our vulnerable hill soils and productive lowlands.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/360148/tolaga-bay-cleanup-who-will-pay
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June 22, 2018 10:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggy Wassilieff, according to this report it is a”systems “failure that has its roots in the deregulation of the forest industry (much like the building industry) going back in the 1980s.
  
  A “systems” failure that successive governments have failed to properly address,
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:49am
  - stephieboy
    
    Link is here ,
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018650364/forestry-sector-facing-leaky-building-moment-after-tolaga
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gee thanks stephieboy,
    
    you get my point..
    The deregulation of NZ Forestry was at the behest of the Greenies and the 4th Labour Government.
    
    What a bloody balls-up….
    
    Hocked off the State Forests for a song
    
    Allowed a bunch of cowboys to plant and clearfell the most highly erodible hill country in the World.
    
    What a bunch of turkeys!
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:13am
    - ztev
      
      The conservation/forest parks part of NZFS was taken on by Conservation Dept as it should.
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:05pm
  - gravedodger
    
    What utter bollocks, this has no reference to any deregulation it is all about slash remaining as an assist to organic regeneration, rainfall, hillsides and timing.
    Blithering socialist idiot.
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:44am
- G152
  
  I don’t see slash. I see firewood and Shanes bone idle cuzzies on the dole when they could be making money doing firewood.
  From the photos I’ve seen there’s plenty of it
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:00pm
  - GoVege
    
    Shane said he was gonna make those dudes work for their bennies!!
    This sounds like an ideal project. ..
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:05pm
secondcumming

WOW!! The Herald is reporting that *Justice Minister Angry Andy* has come out and labelled the leaders of the Sensible Sentencing Trust as *LOOPY*

Most New Zealanders would consider this to be high praise indeed……coming as it does from a *Grade One Tosser*
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June 22, 2018 10:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Possibly the most entertaining moment of the parliamentary week was Paula Bennett trying to get Julie Anne Genter to condemn Little.
  
  The verbal gymnastics used by Genter were impressive, but the fact remains; the Minister for Women yesterday put her loyalty to the Labour Party ahead of a Corrections employee who was indecently assaulted by a scumbag in prison, who earned a second strike for the offence.
  
  Check it all out here:
  
  https://youtu.be/35quuce5WwA
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:24am
  - Lance
    
    Truly loathsome pinhead dancing by JAG
    
    Gross hypocrisy in action
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:42am
    - ztev
      
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      A pinch on the bum is still a pinch. It cannot possibly be an indecent assault but an ordinary assault
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:24pm
      - Lance
        
        ztev must be embarrassed by its own outrageous hypocrisy.. surely?
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:06pm
      - Nermal
        
        So how would you minimise the actions of the pervert who put his hands down teenagers’ pants at the Labour camp?
        Exuberant dancing?
        A pat on the tummy
        Tickling her fancy?
        
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        June 22, 2018 2:03pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Interesting isn’t it, the Minister for Women puts Andrew Little’s ego ahead of all women, and particularly those women who have been indecently assaulted. It’s great to know the order of things for that Green woman.
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:10am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Yes, it was a disgraceful effort from the Minister yesterday. Also noticeable has been the deafening silence from Jan Logie, who normally has plenty to say about women on the receiving end of sexual abuse.
      
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      June 22, 2018 11:34am
      - ztev
        
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        Deafening silence on an assault on a cafe worker by repeatedly pulling hair.
        
        You should have a look in the mirror when talking about ‘disgraceful’ behaviour by someone who wasnt just a prisoner but a PM!
        
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        June 22, 2018 12:27pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    …Paula Bennett trying to get Julie Anne Genter to condemn Little.
    
    I’m always impressed that Ministers manage to find it within themselves to answer Bennett with something other than “Zip it, sweetie.” No doubt the Speaker’s the only thing preventing it.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:04pm
    - ztev
      
      National always , but always would just say ‘ Not in my ministerial authority’ to these sort of gotcha questions
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:30pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Doing double time on damage control today ztev thought you would be hungover from the rebirth of the messiah or does JK still get your palms so sweaty you cant stay away admit you have a poster of him on your bedroom ceiling and all will be forgiven
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:11pm
    - Lance
      
      So Psycho.. when did you become a sexual harassment apologist?
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:08pm
    - Nookin
      
      Maybe it is more because they are so slow slow-witted that they cannot even remember a quip from the past let alone think of anything original to say. I wonder if Mallards adaption of parliament for infants will include help for the infantile —such as cue cards for labour/NZF mps.
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Little has had to backtrack on his comments on the prisoner “pinching an Officer’s bum”.
  He says his comments have been mischaracterised and he has had the Minister of Women’s Affairs leaping to his defence.
  
  Great… at least we now know that Labour accept that “indecent assault, including the case the member is referring to, is insideous (sic) and unnacceptable (sic).”
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/360150/minister-for-women-defends-little-on-controversial-assault-comment
  
  (p.s. _ I added the sics)
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:26am
GazzaW

Who’s fed up with royal baby stories?

If you relied on the Herald for your news you would think that the latest disastrous economic report and the foreign ownership scandal didn’t exist.
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June 22, 2018 10:19am
- igm
  
  Meanwhile, in Taihape, the town where they have been blessed with a mosque to help travelling muslims . . . crime is skyrocketing, even pigs getting pinched!
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:37am
  - holysheet
    
    You cannot blame the pinching of pigs on ragheads.
    Now if it was a goat, I would understand. For their sexual emergencies, a paddock of goats next to the mosque would be okay
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:49am
    - softail 1450
      
      holysheet ,NO they might have been kidnapped on a really dark night , imagine the surprise and indignation when light was turned on their stolen “booty”.
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:50pm
- MCos
  
  “Who’s fed up with royal baby stories?”
  
  You don’t have to read Kiwiblog
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes he does. How else will he get his fill of things up with which he can get fed?
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:50am
    - GazzaW
      
      Oooh! The B grade Trolling team is out in force today with ztev absent. When are Psycho and muttonbrain coming off the bench?
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:09pm
- DigNap15
  
  I am not listening to the radio or watching tv, so I hardly know about it.
  
  I wish her and her bastard well.
  But no example to be setting NZ!
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    Agree, DigNap15. I did not watch TV news last night, actually never do, did not listen to the radio this morning and bugger me, I get in the car with the radio on and I hear that Miss Ardern fed her baby in the night and had marmite on toast and milo for breakfast. Ye gods, who bloody cares. Is there nowhere safe from this insanity
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:59am
Fletch

Here ya go. A CNN reporter (yes, CNN!) stating to a Democrat senator that Obama did the exact same thing in separating immigrant children and querying the senator why she didn’t speak up about it then. The senator tries to deflect and doesn’t really have an answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2rS5hK12sw
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June 22, 2018 10:21am
- Harkman
  
  Democrats outed themselves yesterday as only interested in completely open borders. The separation stops but Democrats weren’t satisfied, they want all detention to stop. Detention of drug dealers, killers, people smugglers, kidnappers, sex traffickers, gang members, terrorists, thieves and people carrying diseases. All must stop. The Democrats are a disease killing America.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:33am
  - igm
    
    Sounds like they have been listening to Gutless Little Andy and his sidekick Davis.
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:38am
DoctorDoc

Hey I’ve got a question for the Trump fans on KB who supported the child seperation policy.

Are you disappointed in Trump for bowing to pressure from the media and reversing this order?

There seemed yo be some contradictory rhetoric from his ardent online followers across the web where Trump was both praised for implementing the policy but then also for subsequently cancelling it as it was actually a Clinton/Obama order anyway (although a factcheck dismisses this theory
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/ )
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June 22, 2018 10:22am
- Fletch
  
  In fact it was because of Flores –
  
  https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/#slide-1
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:31am
- Lance
  
  The tribalism is extreme around Trump.
  Logic is non existent, although they must use some sort of ‘alternative logic’ to come to such conclusions.
  
  You will be hated for even asking neutral questions on topics like this.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:47am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘alternative logic’
    See Simon below for classic example of this.
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:52am
  - MCos
    
    I’ve got a neutral question.
    Why did Mrs Trump wear a jacket with ‘I Really Don’t Care Do U?’ in huge letters on the back as she boarded a plane to visit the confinement centers down south?
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:26am
    - Dany
      
      To make sure the visit would be reported with the added bonus of triggering the media into criticising what a woman was wearing.
      
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      June 22, 2018 11:44am
    - mic
      
      Apparently as a rebuke about the ‘fake news’ media.
      
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      June 22, 2018 11:54am
      - fernglas
        
        That’s just Trump himself trying to score points. Mrs Trump probably didn’t think of the messages that could be deduced from an item of clothing. After all, the jacket was, unusually for her, from Zara, a mainstream Spanish label that has its clothes made in China. So was she supporting the EU? Was she sending a message about the importance of clothing not being the subject of tariffs, which would ruin Ivanka’s business?
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:18pm
- Simon
  
  Snopes??
  
  Alright……….
  
  Anyway
  
  “Hey I’ve got a question for the Trump fans on KB who supported the child seperation policy.”
  
  Now all the illegals are locked up together. Another Trump & MAGA win.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes
  He should have re-united the parents and children in a plane back to where they came with a parachute each, so they can jump out when they want to.
  
  Illegal immigrants should be discouraged at all costs.
  
  Have you seen the number of illegals coming up Mexico on trains to the USA every day? They are form all over. Central America, Africa etc.
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:20am
  - Paulus
    
    It has been suggested that over 10,000 of the children are unaccompanied and have no parents with them.
    Where will they go – back to the people who paid the smugglers who took money to attach them to a family who now disown them having done what they were paid for.?
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:54pm
Albert_Ross

Fourteen contributions so far, of which eight moan about how other people are talking about something they themselves are not interested in and don’t want to read about.

Well, I am not interested in, and don’t want to read about, what you are not interested in and don’t want to read about.

Can’t we decide not to talk about things we are not interested in and talk instead about things we are interested in ?
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June 22, 2018 10:23am
- Rich Prick
  
  We’re not interested to hear what you’re not interested in. Please don’t tell us you’re not interested to know that we’re not interested to hear about what you’re not interested in.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:32am
  - MCos
    
    Who do you mean ‘we’, paleface?
    
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    June 22, 2018 11:34am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Mrs Prick and my good self. Is that OK?
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:46pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    But that’s where you are wrong you see Pricky, for I am in fact interested, nay utterly agog, to know whether you and particularly Mrs P are interested in whether I am interested in whether you are interested in whether I am interested in what you are not interested in.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:31pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Ouch RP that hurt my head reading that
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:32pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Congress. Tomorrow. Passing reconciliation.
  Those kids get shucked across the border and swim the Rio Grande to get away from the gangs and suffer all sorts of trauma on the passage.
  Trump’s doing his best and so is Melania.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:35am
Hugh Pavletich

Why is Phil Twyford now a liar on housing ? …

Don’t be put off by the HAM – I believe you can still buy a house – Rob Stock OPINION | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/104817263/Don-t-touch-the-HAM-its-off

… extract …

… Given that our atrocious housing affordability is a creation of political failure (blame governments under both Helen Clark and John Key), having a sensible affordability measure is a good idea.

It enables people to state their cases clearly, and to compare New Zealand’s performance to other countries.

Hugh Pavletich, the housing campaigner, for example, reckons anything over three times median household income for a median house indicates market failure.

I myself feel nostalgic for that multiple.

Back in the kinder days when I bought my first house (I was living in England at the time in a village on the edge of Cambridge), the price of it was nearly exactly three times my household income.

Pavletich’s latest study of median multiples had Auckland at 8.8, Wellington at 5.5 and Christchurch at 5.4 in the third quarter of 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Why … post-Christmas … has New Zealand Housing Minister Phil Twyford failed to abolish artificial urban limis and properly debt finance infrastructure ? … read June Update …

PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING
… refresh / reload if necessary …
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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June 22, 2018 10:27am
- Harkman
  
  I think my first post on here was “Phil Twyford is NZ’s biggest liar.” You should’ve paid attention back then Hugh.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:36am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Enabling City Growth: Lessons from the USA (pdf) … Infrastructure New Zealand
    
    https://infrastructure.org.nz/resources/Documents/Reports/Infrastructure%20NZ%20USA%20Report.pdf
    
    Incentives and Flexibility Needed to Fix Infrastructure and Urban Development in New Zealand
    
    “New Zealand’s urban growth system is broken and must be revised to incentivise cities to grow and city leaders must be given the flexibility and tools they need to succeed,” says Stephen Selwood, CEO of Infrastructure New Zealand.
    
    “We took 42 public and private sector infrastructure leaders to Portland, Denver, Dallas and Houston – four big, fast-growing cities facing the same challenges as New Zealand cities, but with different economic, social and environmental outcomes.
    
    “The US cities may not be able to match New Zealand centres for liveability, but they do know how to grow. Homes are being built, roads and public transport are being delivered and homelessness is down by a third in the last decade. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    … Wellington Presentation Event … WED 27 JUNE 2018
    
    Infrastructure New Zealand – WELLINGTON – WED 27 JUNE 2018 EVENT: Lessons from the USA – Planning, Funding and Enabling City Growth
    
    https://infrastructure.org.nz/event-2932846
    
    Infrastructure New Zealand – Home
    
    https://infrastructure.org.nz/
    
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    June 22, 2018 10:42am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Population growth from migration continues slowing with big drops in gains from China, India and the UK, Statistics NZ says | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94426/population-growth-migration-continues-slowing-big-drops-gains-china-india-and-uk
      
      Population growth from migration continues to decline, with a net gain of 2322 in May, the lowest it has been for the month of May since 2014.
      
      On an annual basis there was a net gain, (the surplus of long term arrivals minus long term departures), of 66,243 in the 12 months to May, the lowest it has been since the 12 months to May 2015, according to the latest Statistics NZ figures.
      
      The net migration gain in the 12 months to May was down 7.9% compared to the previous 12 months, while the net gain for the month of May was down 25.5% compared to May last year, suggesting the trend is continuing to decline.
      
      The slowdown in the net gain is mainly due to increasing numbers of people leaving the country, while arrivals are more stable. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:02pm
hullkiwi

Best comments of the morning from the AM show
Garner to Robbo sweat cheeks “So how was the poor state of the public hospital that the last government left you, that the Prime Minister had her baby in”.

Robbo…..waffle about how great it was that PM of NZ could have her baby in a public hospital.

Then later when Garner was questioning/grilling Robbo about the nurses pay dispute. Robbo attempt to deflect answering was to switch to “I think we need to celebrate that we have such a good public health system that the PM could have her baby in a public hospital.”

After the interview Richardson picked up, that now when a member of the CoL gets a question they don’t want to answer we’ll get to hear about the baby…

…and memo to David Clark…what is the true state of NZ’s public health system. Or may be you’ve got to think a bit before you play politics, because this week seems to suggest you’ve been talking male bovine excrement.
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June 22, 2018 10:30am
- ztev
  
  Auckland Hospital wasnt Middlemore ( only some buildings even there)
  The main Auckland block was built under labour and opened late 2000s
  
  The door hit your heard again.
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:36pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Built with the same bed numbers as the previous facility and huge wastes of atrium space which can’t be used for expanding to the level it should be. What a triumph. You must be soooooo proud.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:34pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Let me guess, you’ve been reading Wiki again. If you’re an Aucklander, you’d know that the Auckland Hospital complex comprises several buildings built between the 1960s and 2003. None of which have had the exaggerated failings that Clark & his syncophants have been trying to talk up as endemic in the health system bequeathed by National.
    
    Don’t let the door hit your head again on your way out.
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:36pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Damage control as the First lady visits the border detention cage,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-22/melania-trump-visits-child-immigration-detention-centre-texas/9897146
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June 22, 2018 10:33am
- Harkman
  
  Gosh you have amnesia, you even posted days ago how she was criticising the separation policy.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  You really are dragging the bottom stephie, and did you notice what was printed on that jacket she took off, but later put back on when departing…’I really don’t care, do u?’ Delicious, but the MSM is apoplectic about it. As an aside, has Hillary been arrested yet?
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:45am
Sofia

The Herald has stated online, a few days ago that –
[Winston] Peters questioned how his private superannuation details came to be leaked and has pursued the matter through the courts.

“Details”? – apart from there having being a problem – some overpayments – with his superannuation, there never seemed to be any “details”, other than what Winston himself voluntarily gave to media.
Some media did try to calculate the amount that might have been involved.

Now, in commenting on Winston’s latest legal move, the Herald states –
Last year, it emerged Peters’ superannuation had been overpaid for several years. After he was made aware, Peters paid back the full $_,___.
They give an exact amount, stating it as fact, when it is an amount that Winston has denied, saying it was considerably lower.

Since this purports to be one of his private superannuation details – and apparently one that according to Winston is wrong, so is misinformation concerning the Acting Prime Minister and published as fact – why is Winston not suing the Herald?
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June 22, 2018 10:37am
- hullkiwi
  
  Answers on a telex feed via a pay as you go mobile phone to Barely Sober, employee of NZME (owners of a newspaper once known as the New Zealand Herald).
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:53am
secondcumming

My missus has threatened to leave me because of what she believes is my unhealthy obsession with plants.

I said where’s this stemming from petal?
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June 22, 2018 10:46am
- Inandout
  
  Blooming cheek of you.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Marriage isn’t a bed of roses, secondcumming. If you can’t root out your obsession and if your missus can’t see the wood for the trees, you could try gilding the lily.
  
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  June 22, 2018 10:57am
- Jack5
  
  You’re not supposed to smoke your plants, Secondcumming.
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:38am
- hullkiwi
  
  Did you get to the root cause of the problem?
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:40am
- holysheet
  
  Mrs Holy said she was leaving me because of my obsession with Kit-Kats.
  I suggested we have a break.
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:57am
- Brigitte
  
  My husband complained about my homicidal tendencies. His funeral is tomorrow. My court appearance is next Tuesday.
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:07pm
- G152
  
  I’d threaten to leaf
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He could turn over a new leaf, but I suspect he is out of his tree.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:14pm
- CrazyIvan
  
  Mine threatened to leave me over my love of astronomy.
  
  I mean, seriously, what planet is she on?
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:21pm
Monique Watson

“The best way to garden is to put on a wide-brimmed straw hat and some old clothes. And with a hoe in one hand and a cold drink in the other, tell somebody else where to dig.”

I got one son to take the trash out and the other to grab the spade. Daughter is running around hammering her brothers.
World is complete. Just want to see Fleetwood Mac one more time and fetch a few crays on my next trip to Taranaki.
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June 22, 2018 11:08am
lastmanstanding

Meanwhile more important matters for the adults such as the UK House of Lords and Commons looking to defeat the will of the majority by not implementing Brexit.
If they do this the UK will no longer be able to call itself a democracy. Instead it will be State ruled by the elites for the elites.
And many other western governments including our own will be further emboldened to not implement the will of the people.
We are already seeing that her with the anti smacking laws and other measures.
Likewise the attempts to shut down free speech when it doesnt agree with the elites.
The elites politicians academics in particular are working on their Agenda to ensure the citizens are controlled.
We are seeing the Orwellian agenda in full force.
Unless citizens who wish to remain free and be able to think and speak for themselves resist they will be defeated.
In addition we are seeing western governments allowing immigration from groups who breed at a faster rate than the local population and come from societies that are not democratic.
This is a planned move to ensure that future there will be less resistance to totalitarian rule by the elites.
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June 22, 2018 11:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

DoC wouldn’t be operating a dodgy system with online hut bookings would they?

One chap reckoned all the Christmas-time hut spaces were booked out within seconds of the DOC Milford Track site going online.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018650441/milford-track-booked-out-in-fifteen-minutes
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June 22, 2018 11:24am
- Ed Snack
  
  Maggie, those spaces are highly sought after and from my experience the online bookings just accept any booking made. So a travel company could go in and block book if they tried and were prepared to pay.
  
  We managed to get a booking for the Milford back in 2013 or so, had to book pretty promptly even for late January and there was just enough spaces left the day after they opened. Still would like to know what the view from McKinnon pass is like live, when we went over it one could see about 20 feet through the cloud when the wind wasn’t blowing so hard that you didn’t want to face into it. A great experience but just a little factory like because of the numbers. Unlike David we weren’t on a guided trip.
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, I s’pose that’s possible.
    Booking on behalf of others
    To make multiple bookings for facilities/services on behalf of customers, you must obtain permission or an agent agreement from the Department of Conservation. To do this, email: agents@doc.govt.nz
    https://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/places-to-go/fiordland/places/fiordland-national-park/things-to-do/tracks/milford-track/fees-and-bookings/
    Bit of a bummer for individuals.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:21pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yes, I just don’t know how hard it is to get such an agency agreement but I guess that a lot of overseas tourists use agents to book these things so a necessity.
      
      I’ve never really had a problem getting a booking in but for the popular tracks demand is high so you do need to get in early. And that means planning a long way out. Milford is always booked very early, Kepler, Routeburn, and Abel Tasman are also pretty well booked out though you can camp on the AT and get places a lot later. And you can use the water taxis to ferry your camping gear around so you don’t have to carry your tents if you don’t have a good really light one. If you have children and are restricted to school holiday dates (as I was to start with) it can be tricky, University holidays are longer and easier to exploit, but once you are freed those restrictions, other than on the really popular stuff as above, you can usually get good times and the tracks are a lot less crowded.
      
      I did the Heaphy in March with one of my boys and the huts (and they are really nice huts on the Heaphy now) were only 20% full so a much more pleasant experience. You do risk worse weather sometimes though March is usually great, and we found that one of the Heaphy huts had run out of gas and there was no resident warden to get refills helicoptered in. Luckily we’d packed a stove for emergencies but most of the other trampers were reduced to stoking the fire and trying to cook on top of that.
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My days of plodding through cold, wet bush are over, I hope.
        I’m not over keen on over-crowded huts either.
        Mangatepopo Hut/Tongariro Crossing was too crowded 20 years ago.. couldn’t bear to think what it is like nowadays.
        
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        June 22, 2018 2:15pm
cas

Can’t help thinking about a woman in Asia who would have a baby and continue working in the rice fields – no maternity leave for her. Or what about the Monty Python sketch Every sperm is sacred when the mother just plops one out and continues.!!
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June 22, 2018 11:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

What’s the difference between trolls and cyberbullies?

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/5/314161
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June 22, 2018 11:35am
artemisia

Substantive interview on Te Arai by Guyon Espiner / Mr Parker on Morning Report today. Minister of Backtracking, Fudging and Evasion skewered well and truly. Does he actually believe what he is saying?
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June 22, 2018 11:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Listen here:
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018650434/te-arai-foreign-buyer-exemption-claims-outrageous-parker
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:40am
  - GazzaW
    
    Parker was very subdued. He’s normally full of faux outrage but he knows there’s a lot more still to to come.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:08pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But Gazza W Newhub has come to his aid with puff piece on how it is desperately needed by the tribes after their mismanagement of settlement assets. Their own attempt to develop 700 properties failed at the starters gate and they desperately need to be rescued with this new plan. It was not without note that Parker clung to this as an excuse for showing favour. And to think this dud will be now handling trade negotiations with the EU where things will be sluggish until the Brexit stoush is over.
      
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      June 22, 2018 6:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  When does Wintinda give Parker the DCM?
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:46am
  - Brigitte
    
    Or he could join the witness protection program, which I suppose could be called a DCTWT (when the house is sitting).
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Parker I believe is off to Europe in a couple of days to negotiate an FTA with the EC – which France will say Foxtrot Oscar.
    Discussions have been going on for some years by our Officials on this.
    Only rhetoric here and lies as usual from Parker.
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:01pm
  - RF
    
    Never. Gutless PM
    
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    June 22, 2018 7:38pm
- Nick R
  
  Morning Report is really starting to make life uncomfortable for the Government on several issues. I approve.
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:05pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Probably a lot to do with the Curran debacle. Griffin is a popular man in radio circles. There’s nothing like a bit of utu.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:10pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Nick, it is not just a case of making things uncomfortable for the government (that is a by-product). What we need is a fourth estate that holds all our elected officials and senior lublic servants to accunt.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:18pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I have a cunning plan when it comes to selling property to overseas investors. Partner with Iwi by gifting 1% to them (as a personal “treaty settlement”) on the understanding they will return the sale proceeds and get Parker to exempt us from the Act. Iwi are like magic when it comes to Parker and Labour.
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:07pm
starboard

This will make ya puke..

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104918767/former-pm-helen-clark-says-birth-of-first-baby-sends-powerful-statement
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June 22, 2018 11:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Crikey, talk about putting pressure on the poor PM.
  
  Time for people to piss-off and let the new family sort itself out in its own way.
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:43am
- starboard
  
  … And I see the photo of Cindy and family has been edited, the original showed lots and lots of little fly shit thingies on her neck.. Nek minute.. GONE.
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:30pm
- UpandComer
  
  Lol I knew it. Did I not say what Helen Clark would say at 2am this morning? She needs to go get her organs transplanted with all the other vampyres at the UN.
  
  “The couple did not set out to make a statement – in fact, the birth was unexpected – but the birth was “very significant, because of the message it’s sending about the modern family”.
  
  Mothers could have top careers and still be mums, and dads could have a career in the fastlane, and be stay-at-home dads for a while.
  
  (No, women can’t have top careers and still be mums. You need 3 kids to replace yourself. The correlation between birth defects and mutations and age is very clear – you cannot do both on average).
  
  “This is a very modern family story. And I think that’s why it’s touched people in New Zealand; it’s touched people globally.”
  
  Gee – that sounds exactly like Bill and Mary English. Mary has multiple specialties and owns her own general practice and had 6 kids. Bill was a stay at home husband while she was at medical school.
  
  Lol here it is: http://www.theshovel.com.au/2018/06/21/jacinta-arden-to-become-first-prime-minister-with-children-since-last-prime-minister/
  
  Mary was even brown, gasp. Where was the media lauding the modern family then? Where was Clark then? It was the perfect immigrant amalgam – oh, but it was conservative. Womp Womp.
  
  Lol and they get the endorsement from ‘Bhaktawar Bhutto-Zardari’ because Pakistani rapefugees and terrorists endorse their future welfare state.
  
  Gayeford isn’t a role model. Gayeford is the world’s first based-boi in chief. I hope he starts doing selfies with his mouth gaping open in front of a Nitendo Wii talking about how he’s worked Soy in with his daily almond bath.
  
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  June 22, 2018 3:59pm
DifferentPerspective

Trump – Winning!

So it looks like Mad Mamma Merkel is going to cave in response to Trump’s trade policy. Tariffs will be coming off US cars.

Oh but wait …. the children! Oh the chillllddddrrrreeeeeennnnnn! Faaammmmiiiillllliiiiieeeeeeessssss!
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June 22, 2018 11:46am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Yes, how could media possibly rate this vital car-related news as less important than the US government putting children in concentration camps? It’s a mystery!
  
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  June 22, 2018 11:55am
  - Nick R
    
    A conspiracy more like!
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    Concentration camps? An emotive term. Wasn’t so emotive when we British (NZ’ers called ourselves British in those times) were part of putting white South Africans into the first concentration camps.
    
    The Nazi death camps gave the term “concentration camp” connotations of horror.
    
    Psycho Milt, surely you aren’t comparing American temporary detention facilities for border crashing children to “camps” like Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Belzec. If so, shame on you.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:13pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      No, I’m using it (correctly, I believe) as a term to describe detention facilities used by governments that have decided to incarcerate entire categories of people without due process.
      
      I certainly wouldn’t compare these concentration camps to the Nazi death camps, but give them time, no doubt the Attorney General, Foghorn Cleghorn, will find some appropriate holy text that justifies it.
      
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      June 22, 2018 12:40pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maybe because it’s all a fake news story. Cunningly exploited sure, but largely fake. Those crying children photos that emotional types like Psycho all geared up and angry enough to make the obvious Nazi comparisons (correct use of concentration camp terminology – what complete and utter bullshit, you know exactly what that phrase implies) are fakes. One is taken from a protest where a fake cage was setup for protestors to stand in and the child is in that – care to report the child abuse by the protestors – no, thought not. Another has the child crying by her mother, and they were never separated. Maybe the Mother should have thought about her child’s welfare before trying to evade the proper procedure for claiming refugee status or asylum – there are numerous locations in Mexico where the US maintains places where you can do this.
        
        Just noisy distraction politics with the big plus that one gets to compare Trump and the GOP to Nazi’s, ignore the previous administrations’ identical behaviour, and act all moral and pretend to care about the children whereas they just useful (and disposable) political props in reality.
        
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        June 22, 2018 12:59pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Was it fake when Trump was saying it was happening because the Democrats made him do it? Made him do what, in that case? Or was it fake when he signed an executive order putting a stop to it? Or was it when Foghorn Cleghorn was saying Saint Paul says it’s OK to put kids in concentration camps? Or when Republicans all over the place were saying it was OK because those weren’t the real parents the kids were taken from, you know. You guys have so many stories it’s hard to keep track of the propaganda message – sort yourselves out.
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:11pm
      - UpandComer
        
        You lie.
        
        You’re an inveterate liar.
        
        When unaccompanied minors cross the border, or accompanied minors, the absolute first thing that must be done as part of due process is to keep the kid safe and separated from the ‘parents’ until identities and relationships are ascertained.
        
        Otherwise these kids end up in Lime Barrels all contorted and glassed in California.
        
        I see ICE had all their family addresses published by Antifa.
        
        If I’m ICE, i’m putting remote mines on my property. Then when someone comes, I’m blowing them into little pieces – and it will be Antifa’s fault.
        
        America is a sovereign nation. Change definitions all you want screwball – sovereignty means illegals don’t get to come in and disappear into the sex industry so that their family members can enter.
        
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        June 22, 2018 4:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        PM
        Look I understand how angry, how really angry you must be because of the complete debacle your Govt is.
        The ongoing hypocrisy from the Greens must be humiliating to endure.
        But Trump is just following the Law. And process set by the Flores Settlement in 1997.
        I agree with you it’s not great and things should be fixed.
        I’m sure you agree that the border must be more secure and illegals deported quickly to provide a deterrence.
        After all, we can’t let children suffer can we.
        So let’s deter those uncaring parents who send their children on such a risky journey by themselves where they can be preyed upon by sexual predators
        
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        June 22, 2018 4:13pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Concentration camps? An emotive term. Wasn’t so emotive when we British (NZ’ers called ourselves British in those times) were part of putting white South Africans into the first concentration camps.
      
      The Nazi death camps gave the term “concentration camp” connotations of horror.
      
      You started off so well Jack but then you fell back to the comfort of the big lie.
      
      Why did millions survive such “death camps”?
      
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      June 22, 2018 4:12pm
  - dubya
    
    To be honest I prefer cars to children. At least you can choose what they look like.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:18pm
    - MCos
      
      Never been an issue with my grandparents issue.
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:15pm
  - Nermal
    
    Psycho Milt, Get real you tosser. To compare those facilities with the Japanese concentration camps my two sisters survived as children aged 2-6 is an insult. If you weren’t so bloody ignorant I would consider you to be an evil bastard.
    
    Strong language? Not compared to my first spoken words.
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:15pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      These are a much better quality of concentration camp than those ones, certainly.
      
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      June 22, 2018 3:33pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You mean by Trump enforcing a law that the Democrats brought in through Clinton, and that Obama also enforced for 8 solid years before this coordinated screechy outrage (which of course has absolutely nothing at all to do with pulling of the usual “oh look a squirrel!” distraction technique when it is unfolding that Obama had operatives in the FBI subverting the election – dishonesty on a scale that make Richard Nixon look like a choirboy.
    
    So yes! “Ohhh the chhhhiilllllldrrrreeeeen!” “Oh my wringing hands …. the outrage ….. the fffffaaaammmiilllliiieeeeeees!” Wa Wa WAaaaaaa! “My outrage is soooooo ggggeeeennnnnuuuuine and not at all manufactured.”
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:26pm
  - UpandComer
    
    They weren’t concentration camps.
    
    But now, these sex traffickers get to spend time in comfy surroundings surrounded by children – just as the DNC wanted it.
    
    ‘America has no right to distinguish between citizens and non-citizens’ is a guaranteed Trump win at the next election.
    
    In fact – the DNC’s schtick by Kemala Devi Harris and co who need to go back to India etc guarantees there will be concentration camps, real ones, in future. The only question who populates them.
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:01pm
Monique Watson

Three-way throw down! Just like my living-room on a normal day.
Little attacks the Sensible Sentencing Trust and in turn is attacked by Tamaki.
Popcorn and Ponytails in order. If I can just get the children to brush their hair.
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June 22, 2018 11:46am
Captain Mainwaring

Here we go. They’re lifting the cap on public servant numbers. Hire as many drones as you like comrades, but make sure they’re Labour voters.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104922841/cap-on-public-servants-saw-spending-on-consultants-almost-double-to-550m-a-year

As for you former contractors, you’re now on the payroll. Bring your mates along.
Bob Jones will be rubbing his hands.
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June 22, 2018 11:56am
Longknives

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12075051

Little attacking the Sensible Sentencing Trust and jumping in bed with the newly formed ‘Transforming Justice Foundation’.
Apparently Sensible Sentencing have some ‘Pretty Loopy views” etc etc
I see Tania Baron (Recently left NZ Police in a storm of controversy) is a spokesperson for this Transforming Justice mob.
One might suggest a Police Officer in her mid 40s having an affair with a Schoolkid is ‘Pretty Loopy’ in itself….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12027387

Your thoughts DG?
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June 22, 2018 12:15pm
- GoVege
  
  Aren’t chicks allowed to have mid-life crises too, LK? 🙂 🙂
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:41pm
  - Longknives
    
    A Police Inspector and a Schoolkid GoVege?
    Not appropriate at all sorry..
    And if that was a male Inspector and a Schoolgirl- Well can you imagine?..
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:49pm
    - GoVege
      
      Don’t be so holier than though, LK.
      At least the fella would have been single.
      Think of all the scheming b*tches who steal their best friend’s hubby plus half their property.
      Goes on all the time.
      I know one such lowlife who stopped her newly acquired partner from ever seeing his kids again, and never let them know when their dad died, in case they tried to get their inheritance presumably.
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:14pm
      - softail 1450
        
        govege, Hope that’s not an autobiography there govege.
        
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        June 22, 2018 2:06pm
      - GoVege
        
        It’s OK, Softail.
        Many have tried, but Mr Govege is a highly intelligent dude who knows he has attained perfection on the home front. 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 4:34pm
    - Nermal
      
      I believe they served jail sentences
      Edit: May not have been Inspectors
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:18pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    We have mid-life crises. But we buy shoes and handbags. Not cars. Can’t be trusted with cars.
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:51pm
    - GoVege
      
      Hehe.
      When I think about it, my teen years and midlife crisis were remarkably similar: just play The Who/ Janis/Led Zep at ear-splitting levels for a few years… 🙂
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:34pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        Talking Heads. Burning Down the House. And speaking of old school: 3ds. And let’s not neglect Headless Chickens!
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        But now I’m approaching my golden years, I reserve blasts of Led Zep for when I’m passing or parked next to idiots dressed up in burqas. …
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:51pm
- Philview
  
  I have just been reading a similar article.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/former-top-dunedin-cop-joins-prisoner-rehabilitation-group
  
  Interesting times when we have multiple media articles slanted against private citizens carrying out an advocacy role for victims of crime. I wonder if DG’s comments were lifted from this website.
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:55pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Apparently Sensible Sentencing have some ‘Pretty Loopy views” etc etc
  
  They sure fucking do. From the linked article:
  
  In a recent interview with the Herald, McVicar dismissed academic and scientific advice around criminal justice.
  
  He said politicians should ignore research-based evidence and listen instead to public opinion.
  
  What a fuckwit! It’s hard enough as it is to get politicians to think about evidence rather than what will make them popular when they’re considering policy, and this wazzock wants to encourage them to put populism ahead of evidence! If he takes the same approach to criminal justice, the government would be mugs to have anything to do with him.
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:56pm
  - Longknives
    
    I also dismiss Academic advice around Criminal Justice Psycho Milt.
    *And I’ve studied Law and Criminology! (And worked in Criminal Justice for a few years…)
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:08pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Did you suffer the eminent professor, Prof. J. Kelsey?
      
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      June 22, 2018 4:21pm
  - Philview
    
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust’s purpose to advocate for victims and they do a good job.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      The government’s duty is to keep its citizens safe. Pity they do such a bad job of it.
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:16pm
- Poppa
  
  The school kid got lucky then
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:16pm
Monique Watson

Goody- Property prices in Welly rise. Meanwhile I shoved the Theory of Relativity down before breakfast https://www.space.com/40958-einstein-general-relativity-test-distant-galaxy.html?utm_source=notification

Dust storm on Mars.

Proud to say four outta the five of the offspring answered correctly: In both Celsius and Fahrenheit: “What temperature does water boil”?
The fifth is a bit lazy but he does take the dog for a walk every day.
212F by the way. 100’C

As we all know.
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June 22, 2018 12:20pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Have to add: Fed it up for the children with the Weetbix: I’m very familiar with the Theory of Relativity.
  Lesson for tomorrow for the kids: Apparent magnitude.
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:25pm
CrazyIvan

RIP Charles Krauthammer. I always enjoyed his thoughts on Special Report on Fox News, and read his columns on The Hill.
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June 22, 2018 12:26pm
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Ding Dong….
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:37pm
  - Longknives
    
    Stay classy Ztev!
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:47pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    that’s what we will be singing when you get banned for defamation ztev… How is your lying, corrupt, stupid mate Parker?
    
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    June 22, 2018 12:53pm
    - ztev
      
      Hooten is the one being sued for defamation alongside NBR… wont be too long before he gets a new writ.
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:14pm
      - ztev
        
        And Xero’s day will come and Ill be ready
        
        “If you can’t be identified (for example, when personal data has been aggregated and anonymised) then this notice doesn’t apply”
        https://www.xero.com/nz/about/terms/privacy/
        
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        June 22, 2018 1:29pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I don’t care what happens to Hooten. If has facts, then he has not defamed. You, on the other hand have insinuated that Bishop has peadophile tendencies at worst, is creepy at best. Now that’s defamation. Bishop knows about your posts. Whether he has contacted DPF yet is another matter. And DPF does not need a legal judgment to send you to the cooler. And yes, the mocking once that happens will be long, loud and enjoyable. 6 months worth at least. Come on we know you can do it….
        
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        June 22, 2018 3:24pm
    - Paulus
      
      Is Parker still with his sick mates wife ?
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:05pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Whoever you are, inside you’re ugly.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:03pm
  - Nermal
    
    Refer back to the question on trolls….
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:21pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “Better to be paralysed from the neck down than the neck up” – Charles Krauthammer
    
    Obviously Charles had ztev-Kiwiblogs Biggest Liar, in mind when he said that
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:58pm
- Monique Watson
  
  RIP! Some of the best articles ever! Great journalist! Died without regrets.
  “Is everybody in? Is everybody in? Is everybody in? The ceremony is about to begin. The entertainment for this evening is not new, you’ve seen this entertainment through and through you have seen your birth, your life, your death….you may recall all the rest. Did you have a good world when you died? -enough to base a movie on?”
  
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  June 22, 2018 12:46pm
  - ztev
    
    Journalist ?
    he was a psychiatrist.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:15pm
    - mic
      
      Yes he was a psychiatrist but gave it up to become a political journalist.
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh, so 30+ years writing for MSM journals and Newspapers doesn’t count as journalism?
      
      Winning the Pulitzer Prize means you are not a Journalist, does it?
      
      Oh, that’s right… Nicky Hager is just a part-time school teacher.
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:23pm
      - Johnboy
        
        He looks so cadaverous I suspect he’s just a part-time human! 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:10pm
Fletch

A tale of two offenders. One, Roseanne Barr, makes a stupid racist comment on Twitter, is attacked, remonstrated with, her TV show cancelled, etc..

The other, Peter Fonda, tweeted out a call to have a child raped and a woman sexually abused and humiliated. Result? Complete silence on the Left, because attacking conservatives is fair game.

“WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PEDOPHILES,” Fonda’s Tuesday night tweet read.

But Fonda wasn’t done. He also called on his mob to terrorize the children of ICE agents.

“[W]e only need to surround their schools and scare the shit out of them and worry the fuck out of the agents frm CBE ICE & REGULAR BORDER PATROL AGENTS. WE NEED TO SCARE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM! NEED TO MAKE THEIR CHILDREN WORRY NOW,” Fonda demanded.

Then Fonda turned his hate towards two women, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, who he attacked with the sexist slur “gash,” and Kirstjen Nielsen, the Department of Homeland Security, who he wanted to see stripped naked and publicly whipped.

“SS (Sarah Sanders) is a lying gash, too. And ‘gash’ is much worse than cunt,” Fonda tweeted.

Of Nielsen, he wrote, “Kristjen Nielsen is a lying gash that should be put in a cage and poked at by passersby. The gash should be pilloried in Lafayette Square naked and whipped by passersby while being filmed for posterity.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/06/21/nolte-peter-fonda-vs-roseanne-proves-timesup-is-a-big-fat-fraud/

Hypocrites.
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June 22, 2018 12:55pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Yes, they should cancel Peter Fonda’s TV show immediately! Oh, right…
  
  And ‘gash’ is much worse than cunt,” Fonda tweeted.
  
  I never knew that. It’s odd to find a connoisseur of such things…
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:01pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not in UK, very mild.
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:06pm
  - ztev
    
    So hes ‘sexist’ which is so much worse than that racist Barr ?
    Which show does peter fonda have on TV
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:19pm
- Longknives
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/peter-fonda-baron-trump-secret-service/index.html
  
  Secret Service are sniffing round him now.
  Hope they charge the idiot.
  
  *Great call from Donald Trump junior also..
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:02pm
  - ztev
    
    With what – being an idiot ?
    
    You are deluded to think its a crime- you know the one ahead of the 2nd amendment do you ?
    
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    June 22, 2018 1:22pm
    - Longknives
      
      What do you thing would have happened if someone had said they wanted to lynch Obama’s children Ztev?
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:26pm
    - softail 1450
      
      trev you cretin,its indeed a crime to threaten the potus or his immediate family.
      But of course giving a child to pedophiles wouldn’t be a crime in your family would it?
      
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      June 22, 2018 1:57pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ztev- Kiwiblogs Biggest Liar
      It’s a Felony
      ‘Penal Code 653.2 is the crime of indirect cyber-harassment.
      This offense consists of posting personal information about someone on the internet, with the intent to incite other people to harm, injure or harass them in a way that puts them in fear of their safety.’
      The bullshit you tell is amazing. You do so many posts it’s pointless correcting it all.
      It’s so sad that this is your life.
      What a loser
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:00pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, anyone is a liar who questions your basic assumptions especially about that sacred cow of yours, the US President.
        
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        June 22, 2018 3:06pm
      - softail 1450
        
        A O R, yeah but he’s got septicboy as his best boyfriend so facts are not important to either of them.
        
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        June 22, 2018 3:14pm
    - Ross12
      
      Well know it all ztev the National Border Patrol has now put Fonder on the list of domestic terrorists. They must think it is serious.
      
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/national-border-patrol-council-identifies-peter-fonda-as-a-domestic-terrorist-after-he-threatened-to-kidnap-barron-trump/
      
      Edit :Sorry mic did not see your post before posting.
      
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      June 22, 2018 3:58pm
  - mic
    
    Fonda has now been officially declared a domestic terrorist. Serves him right.
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      mic , a domestic terrorist? Not so sure about that when he apologised about his tweet,
      
      “Peter Fonda Apologizes for ‘Vulgar’ Barron Trump Tweet. ‘I Went Way Too Far”
      
      http://time.com/5318011/peter-fonda-barron-trump-tweet-apology/
      
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      June 22, 2018 3:09pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy, if you can bend your back like you bend the truth try this,do a handstand against the wall ,slowly lower yourself down around onto the floor until you are bent like a fencing staple and perform auto fellatio on yourself .
        At least it might stop you googling for a while,
        and you could give pan pan the night off,you fricking know it all.
        
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        June 22, 2018 3:25pm
- Nermal
  
  Usual impeccable leftist logic. Government separated children from adults for their protection, Lefty washed out actor says President’s child should be caged with adults and raped.
  
  But then, it’s the narrative that counts
  
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  June 22, 2018 2:25pm
Poppa

I just had a call from a mate of mine who still gets his Herald delivered & he said he got no news until page 7

What a sick bloody media organisation that fills six pages with baby tripe! Geeeezuz what have we come to in this bloody country

I told him to light the fire & throw it in there
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June 22, 2018 1:13pm
- Fletch
  
  Some elderly relatives of mine still get it delivered, too, although they almost cancelled it after the ‘adult’ Canvas insert last week which was more like an issue of Cosmo containing articles like how to plan a 3-some for your husband’s birthday and that kind of rubbish. Apparently the Herald got a huge number of complaints about it.
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:22pm
- MCos
  
  The Herald is basically a tabloid newspaper these days. I don’t know what it was like when it was a broadsheet, but clearly it wasn’t working anymore.
  Once upon a time folks bought the papers to read the news. Nowadays they have to resort to sensation to sell themselves. At least on this occasion it’s some good news, not some of the shock horror stuff they drag out to fill the front page.
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:41pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, there really is hardly any news in any of our newspapers, or the web versions.
    Its all tabloid drivel
    Even BBC World, CNN and Fox news are full of crap.
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:57pm
    - Johnboy
      
      The Wainuiomata News still has cutting edge journalism regarding what the local Kapa Haka teams are getting up to! 🙂
      
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      June 22, 2018 6:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Poppa, you are free to ignore it and not read it.
  
  Get a life!
  
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  June 22, 2018 3:12pm
  - Poppa
    
    Thank for the advice Steph, actually it is my mate who gets it not me
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:34pm
Monique Watson

Cut it out in squares to go go down the dunny.
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June 22, 2018 1:19pm
MrLovebucket

It’s Friday. What bad news will the muppets release today in a bid to bury it into the weekend and under the distracted MSM?
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June 22, 2018 1:53pm
- mic
  
  Andrew Kirten is resigning-good timing to announce it eh!
  
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  June 22, 2018 1:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Good luck to him.
    
    Let’s see how he manages in the real world.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104936906/labours-general-secretary-understood-to-be-taking-new-job-with-air-nz
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, tell us about your leadership and organising roles comparable to Andrew Kirton’s?
      
      Heve you led, for example, a large business or political organisation?
      
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      June 22, 2018 3:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Can’t you use Google, stephieboy?
        
        I do assure you, as a secondary school teacher, I knew damn sure what my responsiblity was towards children and young adults in my care.
        
        I also know as a citizen that it is illegal to assault another person.
        
        I also know as a parent that it is illegal to supply alcohol to underage persons without their guardian’s permission.
        
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        June 22, 2018 3:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie uses Google only for the pictures!
        ?
        
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        June 22, 2018 4:31pm
      - nasska
        
        Of pretty goats! 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 4:40pm
      - Johnboy
        
        The fellow has no taste at all nasska! He should be searching for these! 🙂
        https://www.google.com/search?q=Sexy+sheep&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVldrLz-bbAhXIvrwKHRy2DukQsAQIJg&biw=1680&bih=885#imgrc=bQBi7rA1A2i9sM:
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:17pm
      - nasska
        
        There’s no accounting for personal kinks JB.
        
        For some it’s super models…..for others it’s BBW.
        
        For some it’s sheep but stephieboy’s close ties to a certain ME cult predisposes him to goat love.
        
        Capriphilia…..the love that dares not speak its name. 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:31pm
    - Richard
      
      Air NZ isn’t the real world. Its kept going by the taxpayer via half Crown ownership.
      
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      June 22, 2018 3:22pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    That will be it. Sacrificial lamb with all the hallmarks of H1.
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:10pm
MrTips

I must confess enjoying greatly the sight of the dirty cheating Argies getting stuffed 3-0 by the Croats this morning.

Icing on the cake was watching the fat cocaine laden cheat near crying in his oversized corp box.
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June 22, 2018 1:58pm
Keeping Stock

What a coincidence. Jacinda Ardern had her baby yesterday, and today, the General Secretary of the Labour Party is going to jump ship:

Newsroom @NewsroomNZ

BREAKING: Labour Party general secretary Andrew Kirton is expected to resign this afternoon

Putting two and two together, it would seem that the report on Labour’s summer camp is in, and Kirton will be the fall guy. But will we ever know who the perpetrator was, whether or not the Police have decided to prosecute, and whether that person is related to someone senior in the party?
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June 22, 2018 2:01pm
- Longknives
  
  She fucking knew…
  
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  June 22, 2018 2:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Now the questions will start on how much Kirton knew of who the groper’s mother is? He must feel like Hillary at present with that noose hovering.
  
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  June 22, 2018 2:12pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  UPDATE: The word now is that Kirton is going to take up a role at Air New Zealand. But why, eight months after having helped your party get into government, would you bugger off? That makes no sense at all.
  
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  June 22, 2018 2:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Because he told us he was operating under best advice on how to manage sex-abuse allegations?
    
    Just a pity that the Counselling expert was an union crony with no qualifications in sexual abuse therapy/counselling.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102216913/sexual-abuse-support-organisation-says-labour-right-not-to-tell-parents
    
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    June 22, 2018 2:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, evidently not based on this latest report,
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104936906/labours-general-secretary-understood-to-be-taking-new-job-with-air-nz
      
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      June 22, 2018 2:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I wouldn’t believe everything you read in the newspaper, stephieboy.
        
        The trouble is, I remember exactly what was said by which parties in this little episode.
        Let me refresh your memory about what actually transpired:
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/new-zealand-labour-youth-camp-sexual-assault-allegations
        
        And try looking over KB to refresh some details you seem to have forgotten.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/interesting_theory_from_a_reader.html
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/a_counsellor_on_the_labour_camp.html
        
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        June 22, 2018 3:06pm
  - Poppa
    
    It would if the boy was related to him KS
    
    That is a theory for you
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:20pm
Inandout

And the baby wears woollies, and the baby sucked on a teat, and the baby had a runny motion, and Jacinda is staying another day, and the Guardian is baby-happy, and Clarke stayed over, Google played tribute, she had a sleepless night.

Then along came our Simon:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104925663/simon-bridges-says-pms-baby-wont-do-much-for-my-poll-ratings
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June 22, 2018 2:10pm
RF

Our beloved Wonder Woman PM is worn out by her hungry baby and will stay an extra day in hospital.

Welcome to the real world kiddo.

This is just the beginning…..
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June 22, 2018 2:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When my mother gave birth in the late 1940s-1950s, women were entitled to 14 days’ stay in the maternity hospital.
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/pregnancy-birth-and-baby-care/page-6
  When I gave birth to my kids in the 1980s, I could stay in Wellington Woman’s Hospital for 7 days.
  
  I’m damn glad I didn’t take my babes home before my milk came in and whilst I was gushing gallons of lochia.
  I’ve never thought that biffing new mums out of hospital after a few hours was a great advance for women’s rights.
  
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  June 22, 2018 2:47pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    One of ours was home within 5 hours of birth, no problem.
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:13pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      One of my grandsons (mother’s first birth) was born in London and his parents took him home after a few hours on the tube.
      
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      June 22, 2018 9:09pm
  - GoVege
    
    Or babies’ rights either, Maggie.
    More infants are being brain damaged these days because they are being shoved out of hospital before checking that problems like severe jaundice aren’t stabilized.
    Preventable cerebral palsy is apparently on the increase due to the obsession with “natural childbirth”.
    
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    June 22, 2018 5:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      IIRC baby jaundice doesn’t show up for a few days…
      As the hubby is of a yellowish hue, I have rather yellow babies to start with…. both ended up with jaundice.
      Our eldest was a summer babe… and I was advised to feed her some soymilk muck to help with the jaundice…Baby spat it out… so we did the sun treatment for her.
      Youngest babe was a winter babe… so had to track through the house following patches of sunlight to get her cured.
      
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      June 22, 2018 5:14pm
  - RF
    
    The 14 day stint also applied to my wife in 1976.
    
    Nice relaxing holiday in the maternity ward.
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:12pm
  - Johnboy
    
    After a close encounter with the Matron at St. Helens in 1972 Flossie, Lamby and I were very glad to vacate the place after a few days Maggy! 🙂
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You shouldn’t have been loitering in the Mother’s Lounge, JB.
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/26169/mothers-lounge-st-helens-hospital-wellington-1970
      
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      June 22, 2018 6:38pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Quite so. The one on the left looks just like Matron, the woman on the right looks like Olive from “On the Buses” 🙂
        What the hell is that Mum from 2007 biting on?? 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What the hell is that Mum from 2007 biting on??
        My goodness.
        How on earth did that image get into an Encyclopedia?
        Whatever next…
        Govege will have a meltdown.
        
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        June 22, 2018 7:18pm
      - Johnboy
        
        A man as brave as him deserves to be recorded in history Maggy. Perhaps when the Matron said “Give her a piece of wood to bite on” He thought he had one? 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 7:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, I thought you were meaning the mum biting the preggie lady’s bum.
        
        Low-tech Transcutaneous Nerve stimulation?
        https://www.verywellfamily.com/transcutaneous-electrical-nerve-stimulation-for-labor-2759378
        
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        June 22, 2018 7:27pm
      - GoVege
        
        Relax Maggie, it all looks very consensual and non-incestuous! 🙂
        Says that from 1996 you HAD to have a midwife present.
        (Apparently NZ is one of the few developed countries where midwives don’t have to train as nurses first.)
        We’ll probably never know how many babies were harmed by this stupid policy.
        They only keep records of babies that die during the birth, not those merely disabled for life….apparently.
        Aren’t we lucky? 🙂 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 8:07pm
- nasska
  
  If she had been one of the plebs she would have been kicked out of the hospital a couple of hours after giving birth.
  
  Egalitarianism has died & no one told us.
  
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  June 22, 2018 2:51pm
Manolo

The new sultan wants more power:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkeys-erdogan-seeks-term-greater-powers-082436562.html

Since he took office in 2003, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has given a name to each stage in his consolidation of power in Turkey. First he called himself the apprentice; then the journeyman; and latterly the master. Now, he says a new five-year term would elevate him to the role of “grandmaster” and help him make Turkey one of the world’s top powers by the time the republic marks its centenary in 2023.
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June 22, 2018 2:40pm
- mandk
  
  I fear for ordinary Turks.
  The country shows signs of going the same way as Venezuela.
  
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  June 22, 2018 3:06pm
  - DigNap15
    
    And worse, it will be a fully islamic state, instead of the secular state that Kemal Attaturk envisaged after the First World War
    
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    June 22, 2018 3:56pm
    - kowtow
      
      Never truly secular. Not in any real sense.
      
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      June 22, 2018 5:31pm
Richard

“The Labour Party’s general secretary Andrew Kirton has resigned.
He will be taking a job at Air NZ.
The news comes as a report into sexual assault and harassment at a Young Labour camp nears.
Wellington lawyer Maria Berryman began the report in March, which was expected to take three months.
Newshub understands the report is still a few weeks away, and is taking longer than expected so a thorough process can be followed.
Mr Kirton spent some time as head of communications at Heathrow Airport.”
Ah…slip out the back door while the MSM gush over the baby. Before the report comes out too. Well played sir!

Note to self: Never ever fly Air NZ again.
#NeverForgetWaihiCamp
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June 22, 2018 3:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Never ever fly Air NZ again.
  Don’t worry… it’ll be Qantas running the show, soon enough
  https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-release-2018-qantas-and-airnz-announce-codeshare-deal
  
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  June 22, 2018 3:24pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    But Qantas have air traffic control issues. Jayzus Joseph and Mary, will I have to fly Jetstar around NZ when coming back?
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:32pm
- softail 1450
  
  Richard, air New Zealand will be able to bring back their old slogan with Kirton in a position of influence, “Air New Zealand, the airline that does give a fuck”
  
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  June 22, 2018 3:37pm
- lifesgood
  
  This is very concerning. Why would Air New Zealand employ him? It does not show Air NZ in a very good light. They should have at least waited to see the outcome of the sex camp enquiry. If he is going to work in communications he has proved he is not up to the job.
  
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  June 22, 2018 5:29pm
Jack5

A Cambridge lecturer has gone on strike because university porters won’t address her as “doctor”. Her subject – post colonial literature.

The Telegraph reports that porter’s refusal to call her “doctor” is racist.

Dr Priyamvada Gopal had a run-in with a porter on Monday and is refusing to teach students at King’s College.

The newspaper reported:

She described on Twitter how she told him: “Please address me as Dr Gopal”, to which the porter responded: “I don’t care who you are.”

“He then launched into a tirade about how people treat him,” Dr Gopal said. “I am sorry but my brown body isn’t taking the hit for that. He’d never talk like this to actual white men who behave badly.”

She described how she then repeatedly asked the “all white, all male” porters to address her as “Dr Gopal”, but they instead insisted on calling her “Madam”.

Gopal alleged “consistent profiling” by university porters and she had decided “on my behalf and of other people of colour at Cambridge University to refuse to supervise any students at King’s College.”

According to Wikipedia, porters are mostly former members of the armed forces and
their tasks include controlling entry to a college, sorting mail, providing security, reporting tudent to the dean, and maintenance and repairs.
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June 22, 2018 3:56pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Wasn’t it that the tradition at Cambridge was that Porters called everyone either Sir or Madam?
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:05pm
- Jack5
  
  Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest the Telegraph was saying the refusal to address Gopal as “Dr” was racist. The newspaper was reporting Gopal alleged this was racist.
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you are not flouncing along in your Doctoral robes, how on earth is anyone going to know that you are a Dr?
    
    Should all PhD, D.Litt, etc, etc, graduands have a special mark tattooed on their forehead?
    http://hilobrow.com/2014/08/17/kern-your-enthusiasm-17/
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:36pm
Inandout

I doubt anyone on here but stephie uses the Mt Roskill pool, but it has been noted that after the Muslim women have bathed during their two hour stint the faeces count goes up markedly. I thought the grubby ones could at least wash before they bathed. I guess back home in Iran they stink in the desert air.
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June 22, 2018 3:57pm
- Jack5
  
  “Where it is noted…”
  
  Who notes things like this – apart from pool cleaners?
  
  Are public swimming pools in that area safe enough for our Stephiestani trollers? Or perhaps they just go there to watch – at the non-Muslim sessions.
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:01pm
  - Longknives
    
    Who on earth would go to Mt Roskill pool?
    The suburb is a stinking cesspit reminiscent of Mogadishu.
    You would be insane to take your kids anywhere near there as it is well known that Muslim men often go to swimming baths for their ‘Sexual Emergencies’..
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:11pm
  - Fletch
    
    This came up in my news feed the other day. I dunno why I save this stuff…lol
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/05/17/cdc-how-to-avoid-getting-sick-from-a-hotel-swimming-pool/
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:22pm
- hullkiwi
  
  The problem is that this sort of thing closes down the pool for it and the equipment to be cleaned/flushed out. This problem also costs raye payers $1000s each time it happens.
  
  They have also had the same problem at the pool at Albany. However, it has been noted that it is another ethnic group (a significant minority that Twitford made reference to a couple years ago with regards to the purchasing of property).
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:29pm
EAD_TWO

Just in case you were wondering what the agenda was of the people who control the MSM was…..

From Orwell & Goode on Trump:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1009839395745292288
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June 22, 2018 4:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Gidday, EAD. How are things on the Eastern Front? Is there a truce for the soccer?
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:10pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Sorry – you got me lost Jacksie.
    
    Explain
    
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    June 22, 2018 4:14pm
    - Jack5
      
      You mean … the war is over?
      
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      June 22, 2018 4:17pm
    - Jack5
      
      But if you’re really lost, EAD, hold up a stick with a white flag on the end, and one of the panzers will bring you home.
      
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      June 22, 2018 4:31pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        None of the panzers came home. Some of the soldiers did, after ten years or so in the Gulags.
        
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        June 22, 2018 5:09pm
Monique Watson

Rubber jungle came down: Holy Fuck, while we’re wondering if any jet isn’t due for a change-out, we can be thankful as fuck the pilots are well trained and Champion. ATR turboprop dumps fluid and circles.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12076004
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June 22, 2018 4:08pm
Longknives

My kid was born at Auckland Hospital.
The staff were lovely but I must say my wife and newborn son were turfed out on a cold Winter night after 2-3 hours because ‘We need the room’.
We then had to fork out $$ for a private hospital .(That’s life!)

Why then is the Prime Minister still in Auckland Hospital on the taxpayer’s dime? You would imagine on $500k she could afford to go private and free up the room for someone else..
And why haven’t they chucked her out like they did to us? Aren’t we all equal in Jacinda’s Socialist paradise?
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June 22, 2018 4:18pm
- lifesgood
  
  Probably because she has had a secret caesarian so she could time it well and divert attention from all the wretched mess Labour is in. Someone claimed it would be announced at 4pm in time for the 6pm news. Surprise, surprise!!
  
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  June 22, 2018 4:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Maybe Jacinda Ardern and her family are just nicer than you. I’ve known hospital staff to kick out wankers before, and you would no doubt qualify.
  
  Or could it just be that their decisions are based on medical need and available resources? Nah – that couldn’t be it.
  
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  June 22, 2018 5:07pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    How is that mildagain going mike?
    
    Stay with the wasmild. Best incarnation to date
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:10pm
    - Johnboy
      
      HOBM are getting beaten….he gets all septic when that happens! 🙂
      
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      June 22, 2018 6:27pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Maybe Jacinda Ardern and her family are just nicer than you”
    
    So the nurses kicked my newborn out in the cold because he wasn’t very nice Mikey?
    The Left really are classy aren’t they..
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Are you sure you went to university? Your comprehension, especially of any irony or nuance, seems to particularly challenged.
      
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      June 22, 2018 6:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I hope every new mum who wants a couple of nights in hospital after giving birth is now granted the right to stay.
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:30pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  And why haven’t they chucked her out like they did to us? Aren’t we all equal in Jacinda’s Socialist paradise?
  
  I bet you were never provided with a limousine, a support staff and a diplomatic protection squad either. It’s so unfair!
  
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  June 22, 2018 6:33pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think Longknives was just upset that Ardern did not use a private hospital, so he could call her elite and out of touch.
    Or maybe he would have preferred her to have a medication free, water birth at home that he could mock.
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:42pm
UpandComer

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-austin-freedom-city-2018-story.html

Austin Texas is going to stop prosecuting theft, and drug related crimes – because blacks and hispanics are too implicated in those crimes. Most of the theft is black on white – so they’ll stop prosecuting it so the crime rate falls.

They’re calling it a ‘freedom city’ – war is peace, freedom is slavery, death is life.

They’re also going to stop checking immigration status when someone commits a crime – because, you know, immigrants don’t commit crime – so you don’t need to check – it’s racist if you do.

This is exactly the same policy put in place by the police chief Mr ‘Israel’ in the Browood county that led to the Cruz killings – they simply didn’t prosecute any crimes by black kids and Hispanic kids after the mid point of the month, and as a result, crime sky rocketed and Cruz slipped through the cracks – if we pretend he was the one who shot people up instead of government officials.

So.

Ah yes – here is the British version:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/don-t-expect-police-to-come-out-after-a-crime-if-you-re-healthy-middleaged-and-speak-good-english-a3619956.html

British police won’t come out if you have an English accent or speak English as a first language.

Because das rayciss.

http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/06/20/dc-comics-uses-superman-to-promote-progressive-refugee-policy/

Superman himself is now a needy refugee.

‘We are all refugees’ – well that’s the point. They want the shit-hole contagion to spread to all countries, so that all are equally refugees and we lose the ability to help these people in their own countries.

Even in Denmark they are now banning the burqa and Hijab and all forms of circumcision and non-Christian religious expression – because everyone is starting to figure it out.

Diversity is a category error.

https://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1009760886989492224

Matteo Salvini ‘We need a mass purification – street by street, corner by corner”

I want to feel appalled at that statement.

But how can I? The diverse are destroying the social contract and want us dead. How else can you explain these policies where they say they will not police crime against white people committed by the enriched?

I genuinely just don’t understand the mindset of these cockroaches. They are being given everything and they want to kill the Golden Goose.

It’s unreal.

And people like Psycho Milt are the Quislings that welcome it.

It’s quite amazing.

What the fuck is their problem? Why do these vermin think it’s okay for you to simply not police crime committed against good people paying for their criminals? Why is that appropriate? Why do they then say people getting very upset as a result amounts to the ‘racism’ they are combatting and pretending it’s the cause?

It’s because it’s all deliberate. People like Psycho Milt have a mental illness. So they need to be corralled and contained, and so it will be in future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUIZvAe3RBg
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June 22, 2018 4:21pm
Monique Watson

Turned and dumped fluid to keep the weight ratio so it didn’t break while landing after the midair mishap and kept all 71+souls safe and took it into the tarmac right on target.
Praises for the pilots.
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June 22, 2018 4:28pm
Jack5

Also from the Telegraph:

John Cleese has hit back at the BBC, whose head of “comedy output”, Shane Allen, said times had moved on from Python’s “six Oxbridge white blokes”.

Cleese accused the BBC of social engineering and and joked that Monty Python’s members met the BBC’s diversity targets because they included a “poof” and “no slave-owners”,

Cleese suggested his Ministry of Silly Walks sketch would now be considered “a slur on the handicapped”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/21/john-cleese-hits-back-bbc-boss-branded-monty-python-six-oxbridge/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
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June 22, 2018 4:34pm
- Longknives
  
  God Bless you Mr Cleese! That is brilliant..
  
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  June 22, 2018 6:18pm
- Johnboy
  
  He’s quite right. I’ve noticed they keep casting darkies into episodes of Midsomer Murders! As if folk like that would accepted into those jolly little villages even if they were to be the victims! 🙂
  
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  June 22, 2018 6:31pm
UpandComer

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/10/denmark-swings-right-immigration-muslims-besieged-holbaek

Get out of Denmark, all muslims.

Oh horror – how can you make such a vile statement?

I’ve got leaked excerpts of the Rotherham Royal Commission Report. This is why Tommy was trying to perform journalism as a British citizen:

Chapter 2 “The Grooming Gang Phenomenon” page 48: “Some of the girls have been branded by their ‘owners’. In some cases, what the girls have gone through has been described as ‘torture’. In short the schoolgirls suffered a catalogue of physical abuse: “had been scratched, choked, beaten, branded, gang raped, burnt, and sexually assaulted with knives and a baseball bat…more then two thirds suffered severe depression and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder”.

Chapter 5, page 124 “Two girls, aged 14 and 15, were being sold for sex by a man known to police for criminal activities including pimping. He charged $10 a time to Asian men who collected the girls in cars and taxis, returning them to their home neighbourhood after each sexual encournter”. “A girl’s mother copied the names, numbers and text messages of 177 Asian (meaning muslim) men, including a police officer, from her daughter’s mobile phone after the 13 year old went missing for five days. Police said that using the information would infringe the men’s human rights”.

That 13 year old was raped by 178 different muslim men including a police officer in only 5 days. The text messages were all there, but the muslim/Zionist police said they couldn’t be used as evidence because it would ‘breach the mens’ human rights’.

Here is an excerpt from page 129-130 in chapter 5 titled ‘Systematic Institutional Failure’ – it’s quite a long one, but it’s an illustrative one:

“On October 27, 2016, Samantha was abducted by two Asian (meaning muslim) men who drove her around Oldham for hours and then raped her. Then they threw her out of a moving car in the Chadderton area of Oldham. She ran away and asked another man for help. He invited Samantha inside and then dragged her upstairs and sexually assaulted her. She ran away while he was calling his friends and family to come and join him. At that point a taxi driver and his passenger pulled up beside her to ask her if she was okay, they said she looked very upset and like she’d been through hell, and so offered to take her to the police station and then home… They then took Samantha to a house on Attock Close, took her inside and then raped her over and over for nearly 24 hours. The ringleader was Shakil Choudhary, who received only a three year sentence for the extraordinary attack”.

Times of London, story from 9 May 2012 “Nine men of Pakistani origin were found guilty of raping 631 teenagers between 12 and 16 over five years…Two of the girls from shelters in Rochdale and Manchester died from the violence”. One of those girls was burned alive. 631 girls aged 12 -16 raped and tortured over 5 years. By only nine Pakistani men.

There’s an appendix describing one girl having her hands nailed to a desk, her head put in a vice, covered in petrol and then being raped with knives – she died when she was tossed out of a moving van into a culvert near the Bradford Royal Infirmary. Her father was arrested for ‘hate-speech’ when he accused the police of not intervening against her gang-rape. The father told the police where it was happening, and while it was happening live, they arrested him for Islamophobia.

The stories go on and on for hundreds and hundreds of pages. You can find the report on MegaNZ – you can also find the de-cryption keys. The worthless Stasi Communist government in England censor for a reason – now they support Article 11 and 13 in the EU commission to end fair use to stop their crimes being discussed in forums outside their control.

The only way to stop the convergence is nip it before there are too many and everyone is implicated – like in England: May ‘lost’ a report that named 176 different politicians including those ‘that must not be named’ – who constituted the majority.

Muslims don’t belong in Europe. They never have. They never will. Go practice Sharia in the lands you conquered from the Byzantines. And neither do their other people of the book. Denmark banned all forms of circumcision – that includes the gris.

This is the future, until these people stop raping and stealing everything they can and using racism and political correctness, both invented technical terms made up by Trotskey, as a weapon to bludgeon the people paying for their miserable existences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unb3FdsT5fQ

Roma Invicta. Out.
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June 22, 2018 4:42pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  And neither do their other people of the book.
  
  Fascinating. Please expand on that alleged thought.
  
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  June 22, 2018 5:00pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Actions and ideas not identity.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister
    
    Why are the British ‘so reluctant’ to measure their ‘immigration history’ says Barbara Roche.
    
    ‘We’ British.
    
    The British didn’t ask for the 2million under Blair. But they got it nonetheless. Now they won’t get Brexit. Instead they got and will keep getting Rotherham.
    
    Je Suis Muslim.
    
    Always actions/values not identity.
    
    I would love to go and work with Daniel Horowitz and Mark Levin.
    
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    June 22, 2018 5:12pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But who are the ‘other people of the book’ who have made you so upset?
      
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      June 22, 2018 5:26pm
      - UpandComer
        
        You’re right. It’s not the same book.
        
        Yeah – no reason to be upset my guy.
        
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        June 22, 2018 5:44pm
Fletch

More lying by the mainstream media. An iconic photo of a girl ‘separated’ from her family by ICE turns out not to be true.

The father of the 2-year-old Honduran girl that became the face of the media’s recent attack on the Trump administration for its “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration says that she was never separated from her mother at the border and that the mother abandoned her three other children and paid a human smuggler thousands of dollars to illegally enter the United States, all against his wishes.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32165/father-says-girl-never-separated-border-mom-paid-ryan-saavedra

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5869829/Father-two-year-old-face-child-separation-crisis-speaks-out.html

Time magazine even used the image of the little girl on its cover with Trump standing over her.

Lying liars.
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June 22, 2018 4:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  So no one has been forcibly separated from their parents? So Trump was wrong to reverse his special ‘zero tolerance’ policy?
  
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  June 22, 2018 5:01pm
  - Fletch
    
    That is not the issue. Yes, the immigration law needs reforming. That has been known for years. But to attack Trump over something they totally ignored during Obama’s tenure just smacks of hypocrisy. The media aren’t interested in facts.
    
    In an example just yesterday, members of the Associated Press, MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, Kathy Griffen et al were tweeting a story about abuse at a juvenile detention center –
    
    BREAKING ⁦@AP:⁩ Immigrant children as young as 14 housed at a juvenile detention center in Virginia say they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells. https://t.co/ffw0bBcYrH
    
    — Michael Biesecker (@mbieseck)
    
    Only, again, the story wasn’t “breaking” but was from 2016 and happened under Obama.
    
    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/21/self-own-in-progress-kathy-griffin-lawrence-odonnell-many-others-are-nuking-trump-over-ap-article-on-obama-era-abuses/
    
    Rosie O’Donnell tweeted another story the day before that about immigrants and sex trafficking which, again, turned out to have happened under Obama.
    
    https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/06/19/doh-in-rosies-rush-to-use-nyt-piece-to-accuse-trump-of-sex-trafficking-she-missed-1-very-important-detail/
    
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    June 22, 2018 5:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But, Obama…..!
      I may have told you before, Fletch, but whataboutism on terrible things under the last terrible US administration doesn’t make the terrible things that Trump does magically fine.
      And if you want to pretend that this ‘zero tolerance’ crackdown from Sessions and Trump never happened, then that’s your prerogative. As usual, you Trumpistas have no problem squaring the logic circle so that anything your hero does was fine, is fine, and will always be fine.
      
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      June 22, 2018 5:23pm
      - Fletch
        
        Read. My. Lips. I already agreed with you that the immigration law is broken and something needed to be done about it. Trump was only following the law as laid down by Congress. Congress can change the law if it wanted. I’m only pissed off about the hypocrisy of Democrats using the situation that hasn’t changed for years to attack Trump with as though it were something new and was something different than what Obama was already doing.
        
        The Babylon Bee sets it out humorously –
        
        Media Slams President For Prematurely Ending Crisis They Were Exploiting
        
        https://babylonbee.com/news/media-slams-president-for-prematurely-ending-crisis-they-were-exploiting/
        
        😆
        
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        June 22, 2018 5:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But the situation did change. Sessions and Trump decided on the ‘zero tolerance’ approach. So, were they wrong to implement that policy then, or wrong to relax it now?
        
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        June 22, 2018 5:37pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Trump was wrong to relax the policy. Because now sex traffickers and unrelated men from a geographical and ethnic space where for example in Equador, 7 out of 10 children are sexually abused, will be kept with a big store of young children.
        
        The fake tears of Rachael Maddow and Chuck Schumer of all people are the fakest tears that ever existed. Now, as soon as Trump gives the DNC what they want, Kemala Devi Harris says the real issue is that America can’t have borders or citizenship. You have to let every single hispanic in who wants in until the Dems have replaced Americans with !!Americans!! enough to be able to turn American into a worse version of London permanently.
        
        Have you seen Mexicos wall? It’s pretty impressive.
        
        It’s is pure mental illness to say because of one fake photo of one kid – that ignores those among the 33,000 murdered last year on the Mexican border, America can’t be a nation anymore.
        
        This is the attitude of the fake cryers in the lugenpresse internationale media:
        
        https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/israel-has-right-obligation-defend-border-with-deadly-force/
        
        https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/family-separation-immigration-congress-end-it/
        
        So says David French – Israel is obligated to protect it’s borders from cultural and economic enrichment with deadly force – obligated. So says all the democrats. After all, so many hold double passports, and they all support identifying that as ‘hate speech’.
        
        But America must open it’s borders and give gibs to anyone at all in the world. The constitution doesn’t exist. The Naturalisation Act of 1792 doesn’t exist. The nation state doesn’t exist. The welfare state doesn’t exist.
        
        It’s not ‘whataboutism’ it’s pure easily observed propaganda from the lugenpresse internationale. Obama not only created the policy – he enforced it to twice the extent of Trump – maybe he was guilty that the weapons he sent into Central America – heavy grade hardware, were used to kill Border Patrol agents. ‘No scandals Obama’.
        
        I hope one day David French and his ilk are across that border on the other side of a wall armed with automated heat seeking ammunition endowed medium calibre automated grenade launchers.
        
        He is such high grade hypocritical swine it defines easy description.
        
        David French needs to move to the centre of San Francisco:
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5852429/Tourists-express-shock-horror-visiting-San-Francisco.html
        
        There’s what the media wants for all of the United States – because they want America to become Brazil.
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:53pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The fake tears of Rachael Maddow and Chuck Schumer of all people are the fakest tears that ever existed.
        
        Why don’t Rachel and Chuck shed tears over the (actual) brutal treatment of real refugees in their native ethno-state of Israel?
        
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        June 22, 2018 7:20pm
MrLovebucket

There needs to be LOTS of sunlight poured over this Kirton announcement this afternoon.

My hypothesis is as follows. Jacinda knew a lot more and much earlier about the issues at the sex camp than she has publically said. The current inquiry is complete and they have decided to make Kirton the fall guy for it. They have found him another role and delayed the report by two weeks to try and soften the blow.

I would like to know
– What is the job he is moving to at AirNZ?
– Was it advertised?
– How much is it paying compared with his current role.

Given that AirNZ is 50% owned by the Government, I would like to know if there was ‘influence’ used to find a role for him sweet enough for him to forget the pain of taking much more of the blame in 2 weeks than he should. If there has been influence used, I would like to know by whom?

Anyone here know what job he is taking at AirNZ and what the recruitment process was for it?
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June 22, 2018 5:09pm
- nasska
  
  Whatever was in that report must have been really bad. History suggests that Labour apparatchiks never, ever resign or step down over anything. Normally they grasp the trough for dear life & lie like flounder until it all blows over.
  
  Princess Bullshit must have been up to her armpits in the Karangahake cover up for such a resignation!
  
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  June 22, 2018 5:48pm
  - Longknives
    
    ‘Fall on your sword like a good little Socialist Andrew, and we will hook you up a nice little role at Air NZ’
    ‘We can’t have Dear Leader looking bad now can we?..’
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:26pm
  - Johnboy
    
    She’s never earned $470,000 a year before nasska can you really blame her? 🙂
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:33pm
    - nasska
      
      If you want her true worth anything she gets over & above the going rate for the DPB with one child should be treated as an overpayment! 🙂
      
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      June 22, 2018 6:37pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Are you saying that Gaylord should not be regarded as a dependant then nasska? 🙂
        
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        June 22, 2018 6:48pm
      - sooty
        
        Sucking on the teat!
        
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        June 22, 2018 7:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The job is called “Head of Government Relations”
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12075943
  
  Maybe he is taking over Duncan Small’s position
  https://tia.org.nz/about-tia/tia-board-of-directors/duncan-small/
  
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  June 22, 2018 5:52pm
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    And here was us thinking Gaylord was doing the “Head of Government Relations” task! 🙂
    
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    June 22, 2018 6:42pm
    - sooty
      
      The amount of bullshit he puts out you would think so.
      edit He must like the sound of his own voice.
      
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      June 22, 2018 7:38pm
    - RF
      
      The current boy friend will be milking Arderns baby for all it’s worth. Drip feeding the odd photo that are like the 7 veils. The two that have been released are obscured and this could be on purpose until Woman’s day or Women’s weekly put in their top bid for the exclusive photos.
      
      As he is into big game with an impressive total
      do you think he is quietly pissed off he does not have a son to pass on his dodgy techniques.
      
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      June 22, 2018 7:49pm
lifesgood

lifesgood
This is very concerning. Why would Air New Zealand employ him? It does not show Air NZ in a very good light. They should have at least waited to see the outcome of the sex camp enquiry. If he is going to work in communications he has proved he is not up to the job.

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June 22, 2018 5:33pm
Happychappy

Will the Police Commander call a Media conference to stop rumours that Labour’s Kirton has left his job because of what some say was trying to cover up evidence over the Labour Youth camp Sexual assault.
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June 22, 2018 5:39pm
- Longknives
  
  Only if he is ordered to by Jacinda…
  *Wait- Am I allowed to talk about rumours ABOUT the rumour’??
  I’m so confused- Am I going to the Gulag?
  
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  June 22, 2018 6:23pm
- sooty
  
  Was it Kirtons kid at the gropers camp?
  Does he have any?
  
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  June 22, 2018 7:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, he didn’t have kids at the camp.
    
    2 young daughters.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12014008
    
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    June 22, 2018 7:39pm
Monique Watson

You can see it sending out smoke and on that angle? And with split second decisions to be made?
Awesome piloting.
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June 22, 2018 5:39pm
All_on_Red

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
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June 22, 2018 6:45pm
All_on_Red

I tell ya, the Polling shows people are sick of illegal immigration
‘According to a new Rasmussen poll, a majority of Americans blame illegal immigrant parents for the child crisis on the border over the U.S. government.

The media has put a hyper focus on the separation of families at the border over the last several weeks, leading President Donald Trump to sign an executive order ending the separation. Current U.S. law does not allow families to be detained together if the parents are referred for prosecution for illegal border crossing.
However, the Rasmussen poll shows that Americans don’t blame the Trump administration for the approximately 2,000 children who have been separated from their parents.
54 percent of likely voters polled by Rasmussen said that they think the parents are more to blame for breaking the law.
Only 35 percent said the government is more to blame for the crisis.
Further, 54 percent of voting Americans agree with President Trump’s assertion that “The United States will not be a migrant camp. And it will not be a refugee-holding facility — it won’t be.”

The survey of 1000 likely voters was conducted on June 19-20.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/june_2018/voters_blame_parents_not_feds_for_border_children_crisis
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June 22, 2018 6:59pm
EAD_TWO

If you think the corrupted Marxist Pope is bad with all his SJW nonsense, this is what we are facing at the local level as Theodore Beale writes:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-infiltrated-evangelicals.html?m=0

This fake evangelical minister is an excellent example of why it is time to Make Inquisition Great Again. He’s what they used to call a “marrano” in Spain. Notice how what he is preaching just happens to produce exactly the same sort of self-derailing consequences as a) the political Mark Levins preaching atomic individualism, b) the psychiatric Jordan Petersons preaching atomic individualism, and c) the conservative Ben Shapiros preaching atomic individualism.

Rev. Rob Schenck, a prominent evangelical minister and founding president of the Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute, said Tuesday that evangelical Christians “sold” their principles in supporting President Trump and called for a return to the message of the Gospel….

In his book, Schenck discusses his 1970s conversion from nominal Judaism to Christianity and his subsequent 1980s political activism…..

Schenck now leads the Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute, a nonprofit institution that seeks to apply Bonhoeffer’s theological and ethical insights to the social concerns of modern times, through lectures, discussions, and published material. Since his discovery of Bonhoeffer, he now tries to “liberate the evangelical community from a politicized gospel and to urge partisan conservatives to move beyond social battles and forsake the politics of hate, fear, and violence,”

I have no doubt at all that Schenck has everything in common with them. It’s much more likely that this prominent guy, this eminent personage, is a Satan-worshipping globalist than a genuine Christian. Literally everything these infiltrators do is focused on convincing Christians, conservatives, Americans, nationalists, and whites to unilaterally disarm so they can be conquered by their enemies.
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June 22, 2018 7:09pm
- nasska
  
  So you reckon they’ve infiltrated the Godnutters EAD? Logical really……the gullible fools will believe anything they’re told.
  
  Leave it to Skydaddy…..He’ll smite those evil Satan-worshipping globalists! 🙂
  
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  June 22, 2018 7:21pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It looks that way Nasska.
    
    The current Pope is turning the Catholic Church upside down, transforming it into a SJW organisation like the Church Of England, which has now virtually disappeared as a religious force.
    
    Unlike blood-and-guts Islam which continues to grow like a virus. The Catholic Church is now fully aligned with the globalist/NWO agenda, a development which Pope Benedict had very much feared.
    
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    June 22, 2018 7:31pm
    - Johnboy
      
      So we really need to join the Church of the Self-Loading NRA to have any hope against those dammed Catholic Anglican Islamic Jewish fucks then? Deep down I always believed that God invented the AR15! 🙂
      
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      June 22, 2018 7:41pm
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    Of course EAdolf would hate anyone associated with the ideas or name Dietrich Bonhoeffer, noted opponent of the Nazis.
    
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    June 22, 2018 8:12pm
UpandComer

Lol.

CNN

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5869829/Father-two-year-old-face-child-separation-crisis-speaks-out.html

HAHAHAHA

Lugenpresse internationale media gonna lugenpresse.

The father of that girl CNN and Time and all the other Lugenpresse used?

The mum was never separated from the daughter. She was from Honduras and made the trek to get work – because Honduras is a socialist state.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/marco-caceres/honduras-socialism_b_3325478.html

Oh and look – the Huff Post said Honduras should go full Socialism, and now for some reason the people are leaving. Because Honduras is now completely wrecked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04/the-crisis-in-honduras-should-matter-to-the-u-s/?utm_term=.6cc6e648a22b

Can you understand now?

The media used an image and lied about it. They lied and lied and lied about it.

Look at the Time Magazine cover.

Look at the coverage.

‘Concentration camps’

‘Hitler’

‘Nazis’

‘Here are the ICE family addresses – Murder ICE Families’

‘Murder Republicans’

Don Lemon cried his little eyes out – when he’s going to be on the list of indictments for underage escapades.

Rachel Maddow ‘couldn’t even speak’ – when she knew it was a fucking lie. She merges and emerges from masculine traits as it pleases.

Kemala Devi Harris ‘This isn’t who we are’.

Kirstejn Neilson should resign

Trump should resign

All Republicans should resign.

Anderson Cooper ex CIA and a billionaire part of the Vanderbilts – crying his eyes out.

Literal Fake News propaganda designed to make the soft sludgy minded like Psycho Milt and mikewasmild lose their tiny little walnut minds.

And it was a lie.

The kid was never separated from her mother. And the mother was coming to America to escape socialism supported by the Huffpost and the entire Jew media establishment in America.

But now because of the Lugenpresse lie, kids will be corralled with sex predators. Because of a lie. Just like Syria boy, found and arranged perfectly to appeal to low IQ individuals who think one instance means you have to end western civilization.

Do you understand now? Lugenpresse is a term banned in Germany because it’s so incredibly accurate and revealing – they hate it. Because Lugenpresse doesn’t like being named as the Lugenpresse that it is.

This perfectly encapsulates everything I say.

This is going to be a repeat post. You cannot trust anything the Lugenpresse media says include the word ‘the’. It was a lie, and now thousands more kids are going to get raped for no reason at all. Because Border Patrol only separate kids from suspicious adults for their own safety.

Mikewasmild and Stephiegoy and PsychoMilt – do you understand? You got lied to and led around by the pussy because you think with your emotions like women instead of thinking with an understanding of context and data.

The Lugenpresse needs to pay. This lie could have catastrophic consequences in America. But they overreached, and now they’re revealed.

Every single person who emoted and got all ‘just’ and ‘woke’ about this needs to just bury their head in a hole in embarrassment. You plebs. Now, maybe, you might understand. Just a little.
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June 22, 2018 7:40pm
- nasska
  
  Those new pills are working UpandComer……that comment put a lot of things into their correct perspective.
  
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  June 22, 2018 7:57pm
  - stigie
    
    Hope you’re taking them in the right order Nasska, red on the left, blue on the right, and the pure white one in the middle is a cleansing pill to sanitize the mind of all the bullshit going down this week ole chap !~
    
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    June 22, 2018 8:11pm
    - nasska
      
      It’d take a bit more than a pill to straighten out the pack of bullshit artists & PR experts we’ve watched do their thing during the past few days stigie.
      
      If the NZ public ever wake up to the snow job the CoL are selling there’ll be crowds bearing pitchforks & nooses marching on Parliament.
      
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      June 22, 2018 8:18pm
      - sooty
        
        Up and comer, are you Hugh in disguise?
        
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        June 22, 2018 9:13pm
- UpandComer
  
  If someone kills an ICE official, Trump can accuse the left wing media of conspiracy to commit murder.
  
  Anne Coulter was right. I was right. Corey Lewandoswki was right. Trump was right.
  
  It’s worse then an actor. The Globalist media like the whores they are used one second of time to take an image where the mum was STANDING RIGHT FUCKING THERE to exploit the kids emotions when she was put down for 1 second, before they were transported safely to a secure facility to be together. Trying to escape socialist Honduras.
  
  If I was Trump, I would do it. I would imprison all of them, in Federal prison in Leavenworth 23 hours solitary confinement. Then let the SPLC and JIDF and B’nai B’rith and Anti-defamation league and the Trilateral Commission and all the vultures and vampires screech and giggle and then throw them in as well.
  
  Fucking Pedophile CNN. Mark Thompson has outdone himself. I can’t wait for this to break.
  
  Those mother fuckers are going to pay – bigly. They’ve finally gone too far.
  
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  June 22, 2018 8:12pm
- UpandComer
  
  Is anyone noticing a distinct pattern where the Lugenpresse pushes for a geopolitical action and it creates a crisis?
  
  Honduras – ‘go socialist’ says the Huff Post. They do. 2017 – ‘America has to take every single Honduran’.
  
  Same shit with Libya. Gaddafi said if he was deposed Europe would be flooded. All he wanted was 5 billion per year.
  
  Nope – Lugenpresse said he was Hitler, Clinton/Obama destroy Libya, and now for some reason Europe’s girls are being raped like cattle and the media say ‘crime is decreasing’ (because they don’t collect ethnic origins data because it’s racist – migrants don’t commit crime so you can’t look at who is committing crime you see).
  
  It’s almost like the Lugenpresse who aren’t owned by one group of people or anything, have some kind of agenda to destroy the West and call the West racist while they destroy it.
  
  Fucking CNN lol. I still can’t believe the ‘chutzpah’ of these geniuses. They can’t account for every variable.
  
  Imagine if an ICE official gets ice picked because of a fake photo.
  
  Will it be gibbets or firing squad for the media? Or both? Maybe both.
  
  I’m sorry all you Just people – you got led around by the Pussy and you got mind raped.
  
  Now, American officials are going to die and thousands more kids will be raped because you’re stupid and don’t understand the nature of the world and the character and agenda of the international lugenpresse media. Well now maybe you do.
  
  Gee, if they’re lying so brazenly, with so much disdain for human life and suffering about this issue, I wonder what else they’re lying about?
  
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  June 22, 2018 8:26pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Fucking CNN lol. I still can’t believe the ‘chutzpah’ of these geniuses. They can’t account for every variable.
    
    Is it any surprise that the word that means arrogance, impudence, gall or audacity is Yiddish in origin?
    
    No surprises that other behavioural trait descriptors such as kvetch, schmooze & schmaltz are other Yiddish words to enter the English lexicon.
    
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/chutzpah/amp/
    
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    June 22, 2018 8:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I prefer nice German word myself.
      
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      June 22, 2018 9:00pm
nasska

Handy hint for our bludging, over-breeding beneficiaries:

Don’t buy expensive ‘ribbed’ condoms, just buy an ordinary one & slip a handful of frozen peas inside it before you put it on. ?
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June 22, 2018 8:40pm
UpandComer

Now do you understand why the EU wants to shut down the ability to link news media and commentate on it?

It means the media can establish a narrative and no one can share the rebuttal.

That’s why I was so down about Article 11 and 13.

This is why the EU Parliament cannot be allowed to create link taxes and force upload filters and corral all media into FAMG (Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Google) where those companies control the thoughts and the words and the narratives of the entire world in collusion with government deep states everywhere.

If the EU Commission were in play – the Daily Mail would be served with takedown notices or their filters would not allow this story to be posted because it refers to a Time Magazine cover and other media data. Watch as all the Lugenpresse move their corporate head offices into the EU once the law passes – so they can lawfare their lies into reality.

That little girl really was separated from her mother – racist goyim. Now here is your take down notice for your lies – if you think you can get through our reality filters, you have another thing coming. The Globalist bible says, you will do as you are told and think as we decide, while we sit like Effendi, and eat, in the new temple which will be the capital of the new one world government.

Mask is down now. And article’s 11 and 13 pass in two weeks. So time to be honest.
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June 22, 2018 8:41pm
GoVege

Why would they use a condom, nasska?
Those spermatazoa could be making money!
That’s what you call mixing business with pleasure… 🙂
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June 22, 2018 8:46pm
UpandComer

No need to get over-excited and extend this logic too much here. Samoans and Maori are not North African tier and our relations with them is in part precisely WHY we haven’t been turned as much as Australia and the rest of the world.

One of my favourite news stories from America is about a Samoan uso whose sister got raped by some Somali emigrants so he just went up to all 4 of them, and put them all in the hospital, and then got acquitted by a jury. That’s beautiful. England might survive if it had Samoa as a neighbour.

But yeah. Lol. Now may you can see what I mean!
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June 22, 2018 8:49pm
Viking2

Hats off to the Canadian Government for following an evidence-based approach to Cannabis reform. Yesterday they passed a landmark law that will legalise the recreational use of cannabis nationwide and will provide a regulated market for its sale and supply. Cannabis use is a health issue and the Canadian Government will treat it as such, rather than relying on their criminal justice system which simply exacerbates the issue, as we have seen in New Zealand.

For a country that prides itself on being progressive, our lack of action on cannabis law reform is simply astounding. Now we will have to wait 3 more years for our current batch of ‘leaders’ to pull their heads out of the sand.

https://www.top.org.nz/canada_to_legalise?utm_campaign=a_roadmap_for_a_cleaner_nz&utm_medium=email&utm_source=theopportunitiesparty
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June 22, 2018 9:01pm
Jack5

Intel’s chief executive forced out of the company for having consentual sex with an employee:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-21/intel-ceo-krzanich-resigns-after-relationship-with-employee
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June 22, 2018 9:10pm
Jack5

China’s sharemarket rebounded slightly by the close today, but for the week it’s still down in total market value by more than half a trillion US dollars.

http://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/2151996/china-stocks-verge-bear-market-after-week-saw-us514-billion
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June 22, 2018 9:13pm
gorse

MSM give us a break, even reporting on the grandparents now. Sorry, but who gives a f—-.
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June 22, 2018 9:34pm
Jack5

Dunedin’s much hyped roll-out of 1 gigabit per second fibre has been completed.

Two years ago one internet site said Dunedin’s winning of the Chorus competition to have the first 1 gig rollout would be the equivalent for the city of the 19th century gold rush.

An Otago investment adviser was quoted as saying the fibre could make Dunedin a technology hub.

So far, Dunedin has 26,497 fibre connections, and 28,700 sites (homes, businesses etc) that could be connected but aren’t.
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June 22, 2018 10:27pm
Monique Watson

Can someone tell Stuff there is no such place as Britich Columbia. There is however, British Columbia. Spot the typo.

https://www.facebook.com/1NEWSNZ/videos/10155492018231218/
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June 23, 2018 12:55am
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL … THE BUREAUCRATICALLY BLOATED URBAN WRECKING MACHINE …

Christchurch City Council debt to grow 75 per cent to $2.1 billion | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/104896675/christchurch-city-council-debt-to-grow-75-per-cent-to-21-billion

Asset sales are again being mooted with the Christchurch City Council’s debt is set to skyrocket to $2.1 billion in six years.

The council is due to sign off on a $10.6b, 10-year budget on Tuesday, confirming rates increases of 5.5 per cent for the next two years and 5 per cent for the following three years. Rates will be reduced to 2.9 per cent in 2028.

The long-term plan (LTP) does not include plans to sell assets, but two councillors on Friday said the council needed to consider partially selling assets as its net debt was signalled to increase from $1.2b in 2019 to $2.1b in 2024, when it would start to track down again. … read more via hyperlink above …

… February Christchurch The Press report …

Christchurch cycleways to cost $252m as city council proposes delaying completion | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/101672430/christchurch-cycleways-to-cost-252m-as-city-council-proposes-delaying-completion
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… Fleeing political losers …

Lincoln (South Christchurch): From mill town to boom town … John McCrone … The Press
… h/t GF …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103331085/lincoln-from-mill-town-to-boom-town

Population growth from migration continues slowing with big drops in gains from China, India and the UK, Statistics NZ says | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94426/population-growth-migration-continues-slowing-big-drops-gains-china-india-and-uk
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June 23, 2018 6:02am
softail 1450

Is it safe to turn the radio or tv on without being sick?
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June 23, 2018 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You snowflakes should be very careful before listening to, or watching, any media that might trigger your paranoia.
  
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  June 23, 2018 8:39am
Manolo

Could the new Turkish sultan lose?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/22/whats-at-stake-in-turkeys-elections-and-why-erdogan-could-lose.html
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