General Debate 20 June 2018

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peterwn

Awkward questions for the Education Minister:
1. A portion of Charter School pupils were expelled/ excluded from their previous schools. When their Charter Schools close will they be able to enrol ‘in zone’ secondary even if it is the one they were expelled/ excluded from?
2. If not will they be given the right of enrolment in an adjacent out of zone school?
3. If not what arrangements will be made for them to continue their education? Note – Correspondence School is an unacceptable answer.
4. If no suitable arrangements are available what will COL do to keep these pupils ‘on track’ so they do not drift into delinquency, gangs, drugs, etc.

Perhaps the PPTA may have a different view of Charter Schools if the schools these pupils were forced out of were required to take them back.
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June 20, 2018 8:00am
- Paulus
  
  No good asking Hipkins – you have to ask the Teacher’s Unions.
  He is their puppet on a string.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:08am
  - peterwn
    
    The Government is saying ‘no’ to other unions, so why is it licking the boots of the PPTA.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:30am
    - sooty
      
      Is it because there is a lot of ex teachers in Labour?
      
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      June 20, 2018 8:44am
      - ztev
        
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        No more so than national, who have former teachers and even student politicians in their ranks
        
        teacher unions arent even part of the labour party
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:33am
  - oldpark
    
    @Paulus.
    Even worse anecdotal inside information from Education Department says that Hipkins knows fuck all about Education in any shape or form.
    His knowledge of Education systems and criteria is on the same level as dare i say it. Two other clowns ,the so called Minister of Health David Clark,and Labours gift to National Party Kelvin Davis Minister for Tourism.the mentioned trio wouldnt know if the town clock was up them.
    What a sorry state NZs well being is under the cosh by Peters Selected illiterate LabourParty clowns. Their track record has now become exposed. the bulk of them would not know shit from clay. Seems Forty years of Peters Parliamentary chaos is been cloned in a most disastrous way.Sadly the Nation of NZs are paying a huge price for so many many bad decisions which has been dumped on hard working Taxpayers,by the mad dog choice of Peters.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:54am
- G152
  
  And the socalled teacher shortage.
  How will closing these schools add to the oncoming debacle ?
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:09am
- Gravelroad
  
  According to the story about prisons posted earlier today by our host, it seems the CoL has spun its way into supporting PPP’s (though only if organised the CoL way, of course).
  I thought with the Charter Schools debacle, it was largely because of PPP involvement that these schools were considered unacceptable.
  Consistency of policy is a concept of mystery to the CoL.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:24am
- kevn
  
  @peterwn… The kids are hipkins collateral damage. He just moves on. Pri*k
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:42am
- MickMac
  
  Hipkins is a dipstick, don’t expect him to have a coherent answer.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:37am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Phew, good job the Minister has a Ministry of Education to answer those questions.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:41am
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting peterwn especially for those who watched Mallard running interference for Hipkins when Nikki Kaye had him pinned down regarding where the 800 odd displaced students would go. Still waiting for an answer.
  
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  June 20, 2018 7:30pm
Monique Watson

More friggin’ buses for Auckland. Meanwhile we get a Space Force.
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June 20, 2018 8:02am
- RalphT
  
  May the space force be with you.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Buzz Light-year has more appeal as a name that anything that one can call that bus breaking down on the harbour bridge in front of you.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:12am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I want to be one of the first Space Marines to bring democracy to Mars.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:13am
  - tf78
    
    Padriv, sorry that job should go to our Minister of Foreign Affairs.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:35am
artemisia

The Deputy PM, speaking for the PM in the House yesterday (OQ#2) said property rents and prices will come down with current government policies.

When will that be I wonder? Possibly if residential property investors decide to come back into the market, ignoring increasing costs, increasing compliance, new tax rules aimed only at them, increasing renter rights and generally increased hostility towards landlords.

Overseas investors will now be allowed to buy off the plans and rent places out. Since the Prime Minister yesterday promised prices and rents will fall, residential property investors, overseas or not, will be doing their sums before buying off the plans. Hmmm, lower rents, falling prices, higher expenses, likely higher interest rates, new tax rules just for us, problem tenants …. let’s not do this.

Does the government understand the interaction between their decrees and the market? Is that a rhetorical question?

Meantime Trademe reports monthly on rent trends –
May 2018 – Rents rocket across the country
April 2018 – Record-breaking rents in the provinces
March 2018 – Auckland hits a new record while rents ease in the capital
February 2018 – Tenants kick off the year with record-breaking rents

Hansard 19 June 2018

Hon Simon Bridges: Does she think her Government’s policies such as banning foreign investment, increasing compliance costs, red tape, and putting additional taxes on landlords will increase or decrease the cost of rents for New Zealanders?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: The Prime Minister’s concern and the Cabinet’s concern is the dysfunctionalism between supply and demand, which grew massive under the former Government of the last nine years, and we are setting out to correct it, which will result in lower rents and lower house prices, and, indeed, lower personal indebtedness.
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June 20, 2018 8:05am
- holysheet
  
  The latest answer to all this govts problems is to blame the previous inaction by National for neglect for nine years. National sat on their arse for nine long years doing nothing.
  If liabour hadn’t made such ridiculous promises, raising expectations, only to give the money away to students in free uni education AND the billion dollars slush fund for wristy.
  The cubboard is bare and every one wants payback for their misguided support.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:16am
  - peterwn
    
    Where was Labour when National wanted to ease the RMA slightly to facilitate building more houses?
    And during the Clark Labour Government, Labour asked for National’s support to amend some legislation affecting the Courts, to ease High Court workloads, but refused to negotiate on other parts of that legislation. Then the Judiciary, too scared to criticise Labour, turned around and criticised National for not cooperating.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:27am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I don’t believe that National had much appetite at all for amending the RMA.
      If you ask our local Nat MP about it, he is very quick to blame one W. Peters for the National Party’s backdown on RMA reforms.
      Apparently, when Mr Peters won that bye election in Northland, that provided the excuse needed to do nothing – despite previous promises to do something………..
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:01am
      - Up North
        
        Gravelroad do you not understand how parliament works under MMP. If you don’t have the support of the partners for any pieces of legislation you cant pass the law simple as that. When Peters won Northland National required votes from 2 of the 3 coalition partners which wasn’t forthcoming therefore the RMA reforms stalled.
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:34am
      - tf78
        
        National couldn’t get the numbers to amend the RMA.
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:39am
      - ztev
        
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        Yes its a terrible thing when labour doesnt have the numbers but a small blip when its national that lacked the numbers. SAD
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:44am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Never fear, Up North, ussuns on the Gravelroad know all about this ere MMP all right.
        Us had a big jaw about down the pub.
        Ole Merv- he’s been to that big round house in the smoke and seen how them loopies go about their business.
        Say one thing and do another, he says. Would you credit it?
        Them lefties on here always kicking up a stink about how that National lot had 9 long years to get things done. Not that RMA though – too hard.
        Makes ussuns think they didn’t really want to do it at all.
        
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        June 20, 2018 10:15am
      - hullkiwi
        
        The fun will be in the coming months when ztev ttys to explain why Labour/ NZF/Greens are prepared to sponsor amendments to the RMA more draconian than ever National proposed, in order to facilitate Twitford’s KiwiBuild programme & his unwanted trams in Auckland.
        
        I am reliably advised that the amendments destroy the myth of community engagement in planning decisions, but are centralised & very undemocratic. ztev, you better go speak to Phil T before you let loose.
        
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        June 20, 2018 6:13pm
  - MickMac
    
    Holysheet
    
    National Kicked all the big items down the road..
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:39am
  - VicParking
    
    The reason that the last National government found it so hard to make everyone a millionaire was the 14 years of neglect from Michael Joseph Savage‘s 1935 to 1949 Labour Government. [See we can do it to]
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:08am
- Poppa
  
  I don’t know who is more of an idiot, Peters or Ardern
  
  There will be less landlords under this administration than ever before because they hate them & are making it harder & harder to turn a profit. Then add capital gains tax
  
  Where do they get these people?
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:17am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I don’t know who is more of an idiot, Peters or Ardern
    
    She’s giving birth to a bastard.
    Oh – and her baby.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:20am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Their idea seems to be this: put people off investing in real estate. Force mum and dad landlords who are already barely making anything to sell up on a flooded market, at a loss. If they have large mortgages, they can just go bankrupt. That’s OK, because they are the evil rich pricks and the next generation will be able to buy cheaper houses.
    
    Never mind that after that initial flooding, the market will dry up, because no developer will want to create more housing in a falling market with increased taxes and compliance costs, ring fencing losses, increased rights of tenants that take all the landlord’s control, and a government message that meth smoking in a rental is now OK.
    
    The end.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:34am
  - tf78
    
    They get “these people” from the previous Labour Party.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:40am
  - VicParking
    
    There is not differentiation with idiots. You can’t be more of an idiot you are just a adiot. So its a draw.
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:10am
- MrLovebucket
  
  From my recollection, he went on to correct himself in quite a muddled way to say that the rate of increase would go down.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:19am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Interesting. That would be a bit more sane: no great losses for current owners, but not much capital gain as inflation rises up around rentals, i.e. wages catch up with housing costs.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:37am
    - ztev
      
      Australia big city housing market has ‘stalled’ ie its not increases month on months.
      
      The culprits those nasty socialists ?
      Nope Banks tightening lending criteria – who would have guessed easy credit drives up prices., which benefit banks mostly.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:47am
  - VicParking
    
    I correct my last post, Winny is a imbecilic idiot.
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:14am
- peterwn
  
  He is talking out of his backside. He seems to be ‘comforted’ by economists’ (especially the Westpac economist) pontifications that property investors are at a ‘tax advantage’ compared with homeowners (never mind that tenants are at a tax disadvantage compared with owner-occupiers), a capital gains tax will bring values down by 10% etc, etc.
  Winston’s statement might have some substance if Phil Twyford can arrange to build significantly more (and not count in existing in progress houses) houses, but that is not happening nor will Winston support policies (eg RMA changes) to help this. A capital gains tax is not going to free up allegedly under-utilised homes occupied by aging baby boomers (anyway a capital gains tax on owner-occupiers would be political suicide).
  So Winston can just spout what he likes thinking there will be no real consequences.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:20am
  - rangitoto
    
    The Westpac guy was on HDPA’s show last night. The other guy she had on at the same time blew his arguments out of the water.
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  Early onset, or was he just tired and emotional? I can’t quite tell which.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=200879
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:53am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I thought Bridges did very well against Peters yesterday. Mallard had to intervene a couple of times to make Peters actually address questions, rather than give his smarmy non-answers.
  
  The real fun at Parliament today however will be David Clark’s appearance at the Health select committee, where he is likely to get grilled over his gagging of the former chairman of Counties-Manukau DHB. Fun times await.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    Nah, he will be put into the whitless protection scheme.
    
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    June 20, 2018 11:07am
- KevOB
  
  With the govt acting as underwriter for developers what can go wrong? Chinese investors get a place to park their funds, insolvent developers scrape by, rents are fully market driven, some infrastructure might become available, traffic density will be positively enhanced. Beds for homeless can be found in spare garages in Te Kuiti. Situation normal the Minister of Finance’s Team is digging fiscal ditches.
  
  Action without moderation is what children do.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:59am
- Harkman
  
  So last night I caught that this mob is now going to allow foreigners to buy apartments, but not live in them. They are however allowed to rent them back to New Zealanders. If this sounds utterly ridiculous from an basic view the macroeconomics of it all are worse. Instead of inviting these people here to bring their money, we will be losing money in the long run and New Zealanders will be priced out of the market. A lose, lose outcome. If foreigners ‘are’ actually still interested in investing here which is unlikely.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:00am
  - MickMac
    
    And Kiwis still can’t buy land in China, but Chinese can buy our land….
    
    National and Labour are clueless.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:41am
    - Evadne
      
      The Chinese can’t buy land in China. It doesn’t work that way there. But we have centuries of history regarding property ownership and land title (through our European heritage) that is built on free and fair mutual negotiation.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:46am
    - VicParking
      
      That’s because it will take two terms for the Commie chick to turn us into a fully communist state
      
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      June 20, 2018 10:16am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “They are however allowed to rent them back to New Zealanders.” A real estate spokesman on Red Radio recently said a lot of the Auckland central apartments are bought by foreign owners for their student kids. Not such a bad thing, perhaps.
    
    So under this new law what happens when these kids finish their studies? If foreign parents can’t sell existing housing stock to other foreign parents and the apartments aren’t nice/large enough to attract long-term Kiwi owner-buyers, the only people who would consider buying them will be local investors who want to rent them out to the next lot of students (Kiwi or foreign). But why would Kiwi investors want to invest in a flooded market with greater tax/compliance costs and fewer landlord rights?
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:49am
    - Harkman
      
      CL interestingly that’s what I thought after they announced the ban. Rich foreigners will stop sending their children to nz for an education.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:58am
- tf78
  
  What sort of tax penalty will overseas landlords be charged for taking their money offshore.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:38am
- Komata
  
  Artemesia
  
  Concerning Mr Peters response.
  
  Why do I get the very distinct impression that in fact it was a ‘non’ answer; a lot of words which really say zilch. Given his legal background, this is possibly not surprising…
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:39am
Nukuleka

Would it be correct to say that among the greatest benefits of the British colonisation of New Zealand was that it brought to an end the native practice of cannibalism and slavery?

Just wondering.
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June 20, 2018 8:08am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Yes. The end of slavery never gets much of a mention in the never-ending Tiriti debates.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:15am
  - MickMac
    
    20% of Maori killed in the previous 20 yrs
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:42am
  - GoVege
    
    Would be nice to see a bit of “attitude of gratitude” from the tagata whenua.
    But that dont pay.
    I wonder if they see the Pakeha as Santa. …or just a pack of mugs?
    
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    June 20, 2018 7:52pm
- kowtow
  
  And a state of constant warfare.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:24am
  - Harkman
    
    Just imagine the total sum of this over the years in 2018 dollars? Wow.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:02am
- Huevon
  
  I was talking to a leftie chick recently and made some remark that Maori were lucky to have been colonised by the British and not the Spanish.
  
  The response was wide-eyed shock, “wow just wow, you can’t say that, you can’t make comparisons!”
  
  The British ended slavery, the Spanish enslaved their indigenous subjects. Seems an important difference to me, but no. You can’t reason with these people.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:27am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    All around the world there is a clear pattern indicating which country it is better to have been colonized by, from worst to best:
    
    French: Congo, Haiti, Vietnam
    Spanish: Mexico, Cuba, Philippines
    English: Kenya, Jamaica, Malaysia
    
    The big advantage is the English system of law and government which tends to produce more stable societies. Maori had cannibalism but the English had hanging, drawing, and quartering which is just as bad. Slavery was becoming unacceptable everywhere around the time NZ was colonized so I wouldn’t credit the British in particular for that.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:43am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      The British themselves had only banned slavery in (IIRC) 1829, so it’s not like the British were morally pure.
      
      The interesting question is be how long slavery would have continued amongst Maori if the British hadn’t colonised NZ.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:48am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        And cannibalism, if more animal protein hadn’t become available through colonisation.
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal. likewise, if Maori had domesticated cattle, sheep, deer etc to eat before the arrival of Europeans.
        
        Hang, drawing and quartering wasn’t abolished till 1809 and Keelhauling was a gruesome British naval practice.
        
        Most cultures had their fair share of” horrid practices “
        
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        June 20, 2018 10:52am
      - GoVege
        
        Those horrible European tortures were generally reserved for people who had broken society’s rules, not just because they were enemies.
        
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        June 20, 2018 7:49pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  And chronic starvation. Don’t forget that too.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Thus the cannabalism , the destruction of indigenous species such as the moa, and widespread destruction of forests.
    
    Oops , can’t say that , open season only on farmers and Fonterra.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:41am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      You’d have a hard time demonstrating that forests wouldn’t have been destroyed and the moa not driven into extinction if the British had arrived and put a stop to Maori activity sooner. If anything they’d probably have destroyed forests and killed moa more efficiently
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:04am
    - KevOB
      
      Food was incidental. Mana was acquired by consuming enemies.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:18am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Wasn’t it the other way around: desperate for protein, so eat other people and then call it ‘mana’ to try and put a shine on it?
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:59am
      - GoVege
        
        There were plenty of birds and fish they could eat.
        Weren’t eels a favourite food?
        Eating humans was done as part of the beloved and never-ending “utu”.
        
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        June 20, 2018 7:46pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Hence KevOB it was shortened from the original Man Ah as the native gibberish was sanitised.
        
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        June 20, 2018 7:46pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maori had a population-limiting energy shortage. Their main carbohydrate sources were from kumara (that could only be cultivated in limited areas) and bracken fern rhizome (difficult to process).
    If the Maori had possessed the potato, they could have supported far higher populations.
    
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    June 20, 2018 11:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Maori got Pigs and potatoes from Cook and the first European explorers in the 1770s.
      They also got a decent large kumara variety from Yankee whalers and started growing that rather than the small thin varieties they had brought with them from the Society islands.
      By the early 1800s Maori were trading in pigs, potatoes, corn, etc with Europeans.
      
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      June 20, 2018 11:43am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Did the Maori use the potatoes to grow their own, or did they eat Cook’s gift?
        By the early 1800s, the Maori population would have been under new pressures, including musket attacks, new diseases, etc.
        It would have been too late for the population as a whole to rapidly increase.
        
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        June 20, 2018 1:36pm
    - simpleton1
      
      It would seem just what is the best use of the potatoe?
      
      Historian James Belich has suggested “Potato Wars” as a more accurate name for these battles, due to the revolution the potato brought to the Māori economy.[6] Historian Angela Ballara says that new foods made some aspects of the wars different.[6] Potatoes were introduced in New Zealand in 1769[7] and they became a key staple with better food-value for weight than kūmara (sweet potato), and easier cultivation and storage. Unlike the kūmara with their associated ritual requirements, potatoes were tillable by slaves and women and this freed up men to go to war.[2]
      
      Belich saw this as a logistical revolution, with potatoes effectively fueling the long range taua [war party] that made the musket wars different from any fighting that had come before. Slaves captured in the raids were put to work tending potato patches, freeing up labour to create even larger taua. The duration of the raids was also longer by the 1820s; it became common for warriors to be away for up to a year because it was easier to grow a series of potato crops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars
      
      For some it would seem that spuds meat and gravy work well.
      
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      June 20, 2018 1:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not if you were the one of the enslaving tribes.
  
  Seems you would have lost out on some property rights, some very cheap labour and a ready supply of easily digestible protein.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:03am
- KevOB
  
  @Nukuleka
  
  Thar’s how the Treaty came about. Maori sought intermediary control by outsiders as utu begat utu. Even today the Tribes have not coalesced into a nation. They largely remain separated from each other by old grievances.
  
  Where have the elders got too? Once the Paramount Chiefs were visible. Have they all passed on or are waiting to do so. I sense that Maori society is breaking up. Forget the language: that will go with the elders as will their closely held traditional and tribal knowledge. A Maori political party is not possible either as it cannot have wide authority. There is no one to confer that.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:11am
  - tf78
    
    Unfortunately most of the wise Maori elders have died – hence the re-writing of history.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:54am
    - KevOB
      
      That was a concern of the Elders of the 1930’s. They doubted the survival of their people with the movement to urban areas. Tribal control was lost as well as culture and language. They knew that English had to take over as Te Reo could not handle modern requirements.
      
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      June 20, 2018 10:50am
- Komata
  
  Nukuleka
  
  Yes, it would be correct to say that, HOWEVER in our anti-whitey world, where everything is being rewritten to provide the best possible outcomes for those with a suntan, such facts (real though the facts may be, and well-documented) are totally unacceptable and, as they do not agree with the narrative, are to be dismissed as without foundation. You will be called a ‘racist’ if you decide to dispute with ‘those who know such things’ (and who have a definite vested interest in ensuring that the ‘new’ truth is the ONLY truth), and, if at all possible, your future will be destroyed and your past ‘eliminated’.
  If you are actually one of those who are of the same ethnic group and you also decide to ‘dispute’, then your fate will be even worse: you will be called an ‘Uncle Tom’ and a ‘Bounty Bar’ and your entire tribal pedigree will be forever stained with the disgrace of your honesty.
  
  ‘Revisonism’ is the new truth, dispute it at your peril.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:46am
- tf78
  
  That was more or less the point Sir Bob Jones made in his article in the NBR. (which he no longer writes for funnily enough)
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:51am
- Dave Mann
  
  I think its too easy to bandy around the terms ‘cannibalism’ and ‘slavery’ without actually considering what they meant in practical terms for an average Maori pre-Eurapean arrival.
  
  These people lived in stoneage conditions within a heirarchical tribal structure where social mobility was virtually impossible. They had no writing, no architecture (other than primitive huts), no philosophy, no music (other than grunting noises), and very little food for their whole lives.
  
  In addition to this desperate existence, rather than build a co-operative society, these people lived in an almost constant state of war. At any time a raiding party from another tribe might arrive out of the blue and start killing everybody. If they won, they would eat most of the bodies and cart the remaining survivors off to become their slaves. If they lost, then they would become the next meal.
  
  Just imagine what bitter, pointless, pain-filled lives these people led. Most of them must have jumped for joy at the arrival of the Europeans – and in fact many of the contemporary accounts reveal exactly that. These people were primitive, uneducated and living under the most hellish conditions…. but they were not stupid and they were able to adapt and thrive when New Zealand was formed.
  
  Why do so many people now glorify this hellish culture and hark back to the terrible age of tribalism, cannibalism, slavery and constant warfare? My only answer is that these people have never really stopped to consider what life must have been like in a stoneage society.
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:18am
  - Komata
    
    DM:But, but, it was Maori’s ‘Golden Age’ don’t ya know, a time when everything was sweetness and light before the mean, grasping white man arrived and ruined absolutely everything! Sadly, that is what is now being peddled as fact by many activists, and, because they have control in the education sector, is now being taught as fact in schools. This flies in the face of well-documented history, but conforms exactly to the well-rehearsed vested-interest and revisionist narrative intent on portraying Maori as victim and to keep them in that state.
    
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    June 20, 2018 12:26pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      I broadly agree, but I don’t think the intention is to keep Maoris in a victim state, although that is certainly happening.
      
      I think the intention is to pshchologically beat up European history and culture and make white people feel guilty.
      
      This is something that I refuse to buy into. I am not going to feel anything but pride for my forebears’ courageous and hardworking development of civilisation, law, democracy, art, music, literature, science, human rights (YES, that too) and all the other benefits of living in a civil society.
      
      This is not just redneck racist bigotry white supremacist bigotry either. I speak other languages, I travel a lot and I’m interested in the world’s history and cultures. Humanity has produced many wonderful and valuable civilisations which can teach us a hellava lot. Maori isn’t one of them, frankly.
      
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      June 20, 2018 2:52pm
      - KevOB
        
        Consider Maori to be a fossilised segment of Polynesia occuring about 1830. The Tribes are not one nation either.
        
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        June 20, 2018 4:23pm
  - MCos
    
    “Just imagine what bitter, pointless, pain-filled lives these people led.”
    I think some of the people that emigrated to NZ back in those days had led bitter lives back where they came from.
    
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    June 20, 2018 2:21pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Fair point…. which is why they emigrated to the colonies. But you can’t compare working down a coalmine, say, with the kind of shit lives that the Maoris had before the Europeans came here. The two simply don’t equate.
      
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      June 20, 2018 2:56pm
holysheet

Working people frequently ask retired people what they do to make their days interesting. Well, for example, the other day my wife and I went to New Lynn and went into a shop. We were only in there for about 5 minutes. When we came out, there was a “parking ambassador” writing out a parking ticket. We went up to him and said, ‘Come on man, how about giving a senior citizen a break?’ He ignored us and continued writing the ticket. I called him a Nazi turd. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn tyres. So my wife called him a Shit head . He finished the second ticket and put it on the windscreen with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket. This went on for about 20 minutes. The more we abused him, the more tickets he wrote. Personally, we didn’t care. We came into town by bus. We try to have a little fun each day now that we’re retired. It’s important at our age.
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June 20, 2018 8:08am
- Monique Watson
  
  Oh Holysheet, That’s farkin’ funny. You and your wife on the same page!
  “So my wife called him a Shit head”.
  That woman deserves a new handbag.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    It’s a very old joke. He loses points for the Nazi reference, though.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:26am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      I think winning points on my screen – something wrong with yours mm ?
      
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      June 20, 2018 8:41am
    - Longknives
      
      “He loses points for the Nazi reference”
      
      Don’t like your beloved Socialists being insulted Mikenmild?
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:14am
    - Prince
      
      So is the Labour Party but they pop up in Government every so often.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:52am
artemisia

Renae Maihi and Bob Jones

The biter bit.

A petition.

The biter bit.

A court case.

Seems fair.
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June 20, 2018 8:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is the threatened lawsuit a piece of ‘satire ‘, like the original column?
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:28am
  - sooty
    
    Shes got $12,000 pledged, but how many front up is any ones guess. I would say not much.
    
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    June 20, 2018 11:15am
secondcumming

As my father in-law used to say, “No one ever went broke invoicing a government department for information they want to hear”. A quick google search of private investigation firm *Thompson + Clarke* shows a somewhat disturbing history….and you can’t help but feel for those poor buggers in Christchurch, forced to deal with insurers ‘Southern Response’ 🙁

And good on *Paddy Gower* for applying the blow-torch on this one…..you get the feeling there’s still a lot of rocks to be lifted here

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1008933654943420417
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June 20, 2018 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  The government demands and the industry responds, just as with P testers. So the PIs make a fortune, and Labour knew all about this going on while in opposition. This will be front page news until Jacinda produces, then the news will change.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Credit seems mainly due to Radio NZ.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:30am
- rangitoto
  
  The more PI’s uncovering scum trying to rip off the system the better.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:55am
AgainstTheFlow

NZ media have no reports today on any new policy announcements from the CoL.

I guess the CoL media management anticipated The Birth would be getting wall-to-wall coverage that would make any good news announcement pointless.

Tip: watch out for what does get quietly put out during the media frenzy around the birth announcement – it will be a great time for governments to bury bad news.
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June 20, 2018 8:12am
- RalphT
  
  I looked in this morning’s paper for a reference to the change in the policy on buying apartments but couldn’t find a thing. Then I remembered that it was on the 6 pm news as “breaking news”; by that time the kiddies at the Dom Post would have been told by the union to knock off for the day, so nothing will get reported until tomorrow.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:47am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    The ‘softening’ on foreign buyers is an example of something this government wouldn’t want their supporters hearing about.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:01am
- ex-golfer
  
  Its impossible to announce policy when you are waiting for the 125-odd working groups to develop it for you.
  
  I would imagine that policy initiatives will be conveniently timed for announcement 6 months out from the next election – and the policies will all be in the form of bribes.
  
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  June 20, 2018 11:22am
igm

See Sleeze-Galloway on the welcome path for more Muslim messengers of terror. Hope he puts them in his rentals because no one we know will house, employ, or bother with them. They are unemployable drains on our already over-taxed populace, and we should not have them foisted on us by an unelected CoL. Come on NZ let these illegitimate rulers know our concerns.
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June 20, 2018 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  Link please.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:26am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Another one bites the dust or would if there were one set of balls in cabinet. Google obituaries 🙂 re Gallow
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:33am
    - sooty
      
      We all know that Shane has! Not sure about anyone else.
      
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      June 20, 2018 8:49am
  - igm
    
    Stuff intro
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:40am
  - igm
    
    kowtow: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104837520/nz-works-to-double-refugee-quota-as-others-close-their-borders
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:44am
    - Longknives
      
      “And Xenophobia on the rise in Europe”
      
      Wonder why? Maybe if the Refugees weren’t slaughtering the same folk who so kindly let them into their Countries?
      
      But it could never happen here..
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:17am
      - igm
        
        I sincerely hope it happens, and it will, that it really hits progressives and not decent taxpaying folk!
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:31am
      - MickMac
        
        will happen here if we do the same as them…
        
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        June 20, 2018 9:44am
      - Lance
        
        I watch “An Inconvenient Sequal” last night
        All other issues aside there was an interesting wee fact popped up.
        Syria has been in the grips of a once in a 900 year drought, terrible starvation etc.
        These people were already fleeing ruined farms etc which doesn’t make them war refugees, rather economic refugees. Which of course is a harder sell.
        
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        June 20, 2018 10:07am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Lance
        
        It is a convenient excuse to blame the Syrian war on Climate change.
        There was a drought in Northern Syria 2008 – but not an exceptional prolonged affair.
        https://theconversation.com/is-syria-really-a-climate-war-we-examined-the-links-between-drought-migration-and-conflict-80110
        There were political issues, Assad and his father before him had been trying to reform Agriculture in Syria. The old elite stood to lose in the massive reforms the Ba’ath party was trying to push.
        https://medium.com/hindsights/the-origins-of-the-syrian-civil-war-4e015003e167
        
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        June 20, 2018 11:25am
      - Lance
        
        You missed my point entirely Maggy
        Are the refugees in Europe now Economic or War Refugees?
        
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        June 20, 2018 12:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Lance
        
        Sorry if you took it that way…
        
        But there had been some previous posts a year or so ago blaming the Syrian War on Climate Change.
        Simplistic reasoning suits many agendas.
        
        The Syrian refugees in Europe have been fleeing from a war Zone… They would definitely come under the UNHCR definition of refugee.
        https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/
        Many of the young men entering Europe from countries elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa and Asia should be classed as economic migrants – not refugees.
        
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        June 20, 2018 1:04pm
    - Evadne
      
      I don’t mind increasing our refugee quota (in fact, I’d encourage it) if the terms were widened to include white South African farmers, Yazidis persecuted and enslaved by ISIS, Christian Syrians & Iraqis (ditto), Christian minorities in Myanmar facing genocide… all of whom would be grateful to have a safe country to live in and would contribute to our society instead of being a drain on it.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:54am
      - VicParking
        
        Can’t bring over South African Farmers because they are an endangered species
        
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        June 20, 2018 10:22am
- Inandout
  
  That useless wannabe MP represents a Muslim nest in Palmy that the passport burning Islamist once lived in. Gleefull-Gallows is an ex unionist married to a school teacher; perfect progressive pairing.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:53am
  - igm
    
    He also chases stenographers at Parliament. Check WO for full report.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:29am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  National (when back in power) should run a super-posidiv policy of only housing refugees and baby-farming beneficiaries and newly released violent offenders in Labour and Green electoral strongholds.
  
  See if we can’t bring a little sunlight into their worldviews.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:46am
- Scott
  
  This Labour Party policy just would amuse me if it wasn’t so terrible. The Labour Party campaigned on reducing immigration. Who would have known that when they said reducing immigration, they would at the same time want to bring in 3rd world unskilled immigrants as “refugees”?
  
  This is an ongoing pattern that has happened throughout the Western world. Governments of all stripes say they will reduce immigration and do something about immigration but they don’t. National brought in 75,000 immigrants last year. Labour came into power saying they would reduce it. But then immediately go after illegal immigrants from Australia that no one else wants. And now they want to increase the number of refugees.
  
  Refugees from 3rd world countries, particularly Muslims, are very very hard to assimilate into New Zealand. The Somalians who came to New Zealand as refugees have very different customs, have found it very difficult to find work and don’t actually like it here.
  
  Could we please have a government that is for actual New Zealanders and doesn’t want to replace us with Third World foreigners?! Is that too much to ask??
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:29am
softail 1450

The gnome peters isn’t handling himself well at the moment ,the stress is catching up with him at last,yesterday in the house his face had the look of a topographical map of the Kaimanawa ranges.
I don’t wish ill on many people but seeing this slippery bastard humiliated is TOP of my wish list.
All the shit going on in our country can be directed back to his selfish decision to punish national for supposedly slighting him.
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June 20, 2018 8:19am
- igm
  
  National treated him as he deserved. He is, and always has been, a blight on NZ politics, having lost three separate seats . . . tells a story!
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:21am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    National made a horrible mistake in not ruling out working with Peters before the election. If they had said ‘a vote for Winston is a vote for Labour’ the election outcome could easily have been different.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:42am
  - KevOB
    
    Expect Peters to never retire. He will become our longest serving senile politican.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:26am
    - LTA1955
      
      He will be the first tenant in the new mental health unit being “talked about” at Waikeria.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:48am
    - VicParking
      
      They wont have to do anything to him when he dies just attach him to the wall at the Backbencher‘s
      
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      June 20, 2018 10:27am
      - softail 1450
        
        vicparking ,embalming fluid wont be necessary.
        
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        June 20, 2018 12:10pm
      - KevOB
        
        Winnie will require exsanguination but otherwise pickled already.
        
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        June 20, 2018 4:27pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Just don’t cremate. There is not enough water available to extinguish the blaze.
        
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        June 20, 2018 5:09pm
secondcumming

I must admit to quite enjoying listening to *HDPA*, standing in for Larry on ZB Drive. She’s one smart lady and certainly not afraid to ‘stick the knife in’ when it’s needed.

But the thing I do find quite amusing, is when Heather sez, “It’s time to cross to our political editor Barry Soper”, she speaks with him like they hardly know each other…..let alone having been in bed together a few hours earlier 🙂
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June 20, 2018 8:27am
- holysheet
  
  having been in bed together a few hours earlier
  
  Can we have a link to that please ??
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:40am
  - RalphT
    
    No, no, no. We do NOT want a link to that! Some of us have just had breakfast.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:49am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Indeed; the mere thought of Soper and HDPA in bed together requires a shock dose of mind bleach!
      
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      June 20, 2018 8:59am
- Inandout
  
  No, a part time socialist does not a Larry Williams make. Leighton’s replacement will be a real poser, and if they don’t choose wisely their listeners will go elsewhere.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:57am
  - secondcumming
    
    Yup, I shudder to think what will happen when they allow *Kerry Woodham* to fill the chair. There will be the usual dose of whinging libtard callers, plus every ethnic minority with an axe to grind, and of course the old age pensioners who think people want to hear about their incontinence problems. The moment any well spoken, articulate, and well informed Kiwi phones in, they’ll get a short-shrift from the host.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:17am
    - ztev
      
      ‘well spoken, articulate, and well informed ‘ ? You mean men over 50 with axes to grind and 2 ex wives
      
      Sorry to shatter your dreams there but those tiresome bores dont bring in advertisers dollars.
      Millennials do
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:40am
      - Prince
        
        C’mon Trev, we’re not all selfish bastards unable to hold a relationship.
        
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        June 20, 2018 10:01am
  - greybeard
    
    Personally I find Leighton to be ill-prepared and unintelligible.
    
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    June 20, 2018 11:04am
  - igm
    
    What I would like to see are the figures when Leighton, Mike, and Larry are on leave.
    Hear tell they drop some 53% after two days. Imagine what will happen when Leighton has hung up his guns for good.
    Another set of interesting figures would be for the pathetic replacement on Tv1 of Mike at 7.00 p.m.
    
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    June 20, 2018 4:06pm
- tf78
  
  I wish Heather was taking over from Leighton next year instead of Kerre.
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:08am
- softail 1450
  
  secondcumming, for a second i thought you were going to say barry soper was in bed trying to achieve your non de plume.
  Looking at barely sober i’d bet my house he’s never going to make it.
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:05pm
- lifesgood
  
  Mind bleach!!
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:34pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  She went up big time in my estimation tonight when discussing Trump. I am starting to rethink my earlier criticisms. The only thing I can’t get my head around is what she sees in Barely Sober….
  
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  June 20, 2018 5:11pm
kowtow

And Angela wonders why she’s under pressure , while the media tie themselves in knots. To report is racist , not to report is failing their duty. While any reports of the Muslim migrant crime wave ( particularly against wimmin) is fake news.

What a tangled web….

‘Authorities in the eastern city have detained a Syrian man believed to have molested at least nine women. The 33-year-old assailant often followed the women as they left their homes early in the morning.’

http://www.dw.com/en/dresden-police-arrest-serial-sexual-assailant/a-44298080
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June 20, 2018 8:29am
- DigNap15
  
  F..K Spain fro taking those 600 illegal immigrants!
  
  That just encourages more.
  
  What use are these people?
  They will just cause problems and cost money.
  
  Tow them back to Africa!
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:48am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Spain’s new SOCIALIST government…
    Tells you everything you need to know!
    
    When Spain get overrun like Italy, it will be too late to shut their boarders. The barbarians have arrived with welcome arms.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:57am
    - Manolo
      
      It is almost certain that the new Spanish socialist government will have a short life.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:34am
  - MickMac
    
    The Spanish are Dhimmis.
    Never mention Islam or Muslims only talk about the Moors in their History..
    
    The Train bombings broke them.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:47am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “Tow them back to Africa!” And then put out advertisement videos like the Australian “No Way” ones in the countries they are coming from. See them on youtube if you want to see how it’s done.
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:34am
  - Fletch
    
    Paul Watson interviews Alessandra Bocchi (a freelance journalist) and she tells of these refugees in Spain being housed in student housing – the paying students(who were paying 750 euros a month) being evicted with only 24 hours notice so that migrants can have their housing.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPheeIUVtPo
    
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    June 20, 2018 12:15pm
  - Paulus
    
    Remember the boat is a reasonable seaworthy charter by the world wide NGOs not a towable rubber duck.
    It could happen here as these NGO’s have plenty of UN and other money for them to charter a decent ocean going boat, along with Greenpeace.
    
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    June 20, 2018 1:11pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      What would happen if such an NGO chartered a vessel capable of carrying 750 fee-paying opportunists to Auckland?
      
      How would all the people who have filed paperwork through the proper channels to become legal aliens in New Zealand feel about these “queue jumpers”?
      
      How would Australia view the NZ government if these 750 gained residency and then started to drain into Australia?
      
      How many of the 750 would want to bring their elderly parents over to NZ for “family reunification” and the generous medical and social welfare systems in this country?
      
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      June 20, 2018 1:21pm
Julian

There are a number of comments here and elsewhere regarding the media’s failure to hold this govt to account.

Have to say I think they’re making a fairly decent fist of it. They could definitely push harder but they’re certainly not the sycophants they’re made out to be.
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June 20, 2018 8:31am
- holysheet
  
  It’s not before time. If they had of done their job correctly before the election, we would not have this cluster fuck of a govt we have now.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, but where were they at election time?
  Where were the hard questions and analysis from the media of Labour/Greens/NZF policy?
  No, the msm generally chose to ignore the boring stuff and focus their attentions on the lovely new Jacinda and her ambitions of a governance change to caring and sharing at any cost.
  Very little investigation of how this was going to be achieved and paid for.
  The NZ msm shifted from being a competent, questioning news provider into a slavishly devoted follower of Jacindamania to an embarrassing level.
  The news people have generally damaged their credibility imo.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:48am
  - sooty
    
    The MSM were missing in action. Same old story everyday.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:54am
- Julian
  
  All fair comments. Would have been far better if they’d done a proper job BEFORE the election so we weren’t where we are now.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:36am
- fisho
  
  It’s the MSM who got these clowns elected in the first place. Failure to act impartially, to ask tough questions prior to the election, all too willing to believe and to push the hype. It was almost like an experiment to them. Pricks.
  So they have a hell of a lot more grovelling to do before I’ll be saying anything nice about them.
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Like you fisho, I just wanted the media to scrutinise statements by the opposition and report the facts, not just their personal feelz. Before the election began the msm fell over themselves chanting in unison “it’s time to change the government”. Their own political bias showed through in promoting Labour, and the COL has since provided plenty of news with their total incompetency. ?
    
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    June 20, 2018 11:24am
  - Paulus
    
    The MSM do not know how to grovel – they will still be the same at the next election.
    They can never be wrong like Cinderella and Peters.
    
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    June 20, 2018 1:47pm
DigNap15

I blame the Woman’s weekly Jacinda effect for the trouble we are in.
And its only just started
More strikes
Capital Gains Tax
More Taxes
More debt
Less Jobs – pay rises every year!
More off shoring and more automation
Less exports
More Green rubbish – banning plastic straws will save the world!
More bus lanes fro buses that no one uses
More cycle lanes when no one uses them or wants to get wet or risk their life!
Less new roads – more deaths on the “road” from Tauranga to Kaitkati
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June 20, 2018 8:47am
Simon

Paedophile crackdown stops ‘hundreds’ of child predators at airports

An Australian Border Force crackdown on paedophiles and perverts has stopped hundreds of child predators from entering the country.

One of the videos shows a 28-year-old Indian national busted at Brisbane Airport last month after flying in from China.

A search of his phone discovered sickening videos of children being abused. He was immediately deported.

Another video filmed at Melbourne Airport captures a 22-year-old Chinese national arriving on a flight from Guangzhou.

Border Force officers found two mobile phones containing more child exploitation material and he was also deported.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/06/18/17/11/border-force-paedophile-crackdown-block-child-predators-entering-country

How many sick fucks has NZ government let in?

Stopped at the Aust border are the Aussies sharing information with NZ border?
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June 20, 2018 8:48am
- Inandout
  
  Our Labour invites them to join the Party, then sends them to camps.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:01am
- lifesgood
  
  Why are there so many sick bas***ds in the world. I can’t understand it.
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:38pm
Sofia

What will the Families Package actually pay out?

From Hansard, yesterday – Hon GRANT ROBERTSON, quoting from feedback from New Zealanders in anticipation of the full impact of the Families Package coming into effect on 1 July –
“… The correspondent goes on, “I no longer feel like a failure, although in my kids’ eyes I know I’m not. So thank you, again, for making it better for us parents to help keep our children healthy, safe, fed, warm, and happy. With a tear in my eye, I just can’t thank you enough.” I’m proud of this Government for assisting Kiwi families who found it tough just to get on for far too long.”
and
ROBERTSON: “… but what I can say is that 384,000 families will be better off by $75 per week, on average, when this package is fully rolled out …”

So it doesn’t have full impact coming into effect on 1 July, and the effusively grateful correspondent can not surely have received one cent of it yet “… to help keep our children healthy, safe, fed, warm, and happy”
In fact, has it been announced yet what the commencement rate is?

384,000 families will be better off by $75 per week, on average, when this package is fully rolled out – for 4 years – would cost $5,990,400,000
On other days, with no explanation as why, it is 385,000 people which will cost $ 6,006,000,000, so $ 6 billion and 6 million.

But since it is also regularly stated Labour has set aside $ 5.5 billion for the whole scheme, if it is to end up as $ 75 a week for these families, it is certainly not going to start out at that rate.

So, what is the average income per week for those 384,000 families from this July 1?
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June 20, 2018 9:01am
- DigNap15
  
  It really is time to get rid of all the WFF subsidies etc.
  And the accomodation supplement. (if they did that, then may be rents would fall as landlords would need to keep their tennants)
  
  The problem with NZ is that our costs and prices are way too high.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:07am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Accomodation supplement enables landlords to pump up rents. WFF allows employers to suppress wages. Subsidies distort reality and it’s time they were done away with.
    All they do is feed more cost into the system at taxpayers’ expense. Not to mention provide employment for public servants to move the money around.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:38am
  - KevOB
    
    WFF is the current form of the former Family Benefit and later, Child/Dependent Rebate. That relief for dependents is now means tested.
    
    The accommodation supplement arises out of trying to get equity between lower income families with similar means in govt subsidised social housing and those paying unsubsidised rent or mortgages to the private sector. The affect is all lower income people get some means tested accommodation help from the govt.
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:05am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Nothing will change until the powers that be stop those who still find it easier to live off the taxpayer breeding children. It is still financially viable to spend their days breeding 8-9 kids to support their lifestyle instead of finding actual paid work. Nevermind the well-being of the meal-ticket children.
      
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      June 20, 2018 11:32am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I suspect that many meal-ticket children will view the State as a generous father and grow up expecting to be able to benefit in the same way.
        How is this helping to make NZ a more productive place (other than providing employment for WINZ officers and a raft of other “support” professionals whose salaries are paid for by the tax payer)?
        
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        June 20, 2018 1:25pm
      - KevOB
        
        Problem: what if these people are not employable? I believe many of these career mums are not capable of getting high school grades. (They may not all make good mothers either.)
        
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        June 20, 2018 1:26pm
- Harkman
  
  Good spotting, so it is completely made up. No surprises there. Remember rent is up $35 per week since September and petrol is up 15-20%.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:10am
- ex-golfer
  
  It actually doesn’t have full impact until all components are rolled out completely on 1 May 2019……..yes 2019.
  
  The much talked about Winter Energy Payment is only being paid for around 13 weeks this year (1 July – 29 September). Which means that people are only receiving around a 1/3 of what was originally promised.
  
  Labour now cleverly spin with the “when fully implemented” line as an excuse for 12 month delay in receiving the full annual amount promised leading up to the election.
  
  This essentially means average New Zealanders are WORSE OFF this year – due to increased fuel taxes (particularly in Auckland) and the cancellation of the tax-cuts that were going to occur.
  
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  June 20, 2018 11:39am
DigNap15

Meanwhile The Herald is worrying about 5 new small plastic items they want us to wage war on.

Meat Trays, tea bags (FFS), plastic straws etc

Plastic is one of the world’s greatest inventions.
Its just that some people litter (and many from India and SE Asia are filling up their rivers and the oceans.)
Its not me, I don’t litter.
I re-use my single use bags around the house, and eventually they end in in my wheelie ban where hopefully it ends up in a landfill.
I just bought some more single use bags for my own use as they are being phased out.
They are called T Shirt Bags and you can get them on TradeMe or Alibabas.
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June 20, 2018 9:04am
- Prince
  
  Why don’t they lead from the front and stop wrapping their paper in plastic bads before delivery ?
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:05am
  - softail 1450
    
    prince, the upcoming miracle birth ( c section) should be carried out without the use of any plastics whatsoever ,see how that works out.
    
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    June 20, 2018 11:55am
  - Fletch
    
    I think they are.. My folks’ Herald has arrived in recent weeks sans bag and wet…
    
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    June 20, 2018 12:17pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      That’s a bonus. Easier to squeeze into the rubbish bin.
      
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      June 20, 2018 12:25pm
- tf78
  
  Will we still be allowed freezer bags?
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Stop talking about Claire Curran like that she is actually just above freezing.
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:31am
Monique Watson

And the SNP is possibly underway fucking it up, under the headline: “”Douchebags and Donuts”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6o7BKfNZI&t=171s
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June 20, 2018 9:13am
Manolo

A good move:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-set-to-announce-exit-from-un-human-rights-council/

The United States will announce on Tuesday that it is withdrawing from the UN Human Rights Council, which it accuses of bias against Israel, officials said.
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June 20, 2018 9:35am
Harkman

Just heard lefty journalist/pretend economist Bernard Hickey on Radiolive, say we are 500,000 houses short in NZ. Yes 500,000! Gosh this guy is dopey, if we built 500,000 homes in the next couple of years we’ll create an apocalyptic house price crash. It would be similar to the Top Gear episode where they took “affordable supercars” to Spain after the crash and found brand new empty airports and cities. And we won’t have the Germans to bail us out.
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June 20, 2018 9:54am
- Lance
  
  Sounds like Bernard and Shambeel are drinking the same koolaid
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:12am
- Poppa
  
  Say no more
  
  What a toss. Where is he proposing to build them? Desert Road?
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:18am
  - Harkman
    
    ? funny or perhaps somewhere in the Mt Albert electorate?
    
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    June 20, 2018 10:29am
- lifesgood
  
  He needs to take a gentle little drive through Ireland’s many, many ghost towns, all built during the property boom.
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:40pm
secondcumming

*BREAKING*

Hundreds of people accuse *Attorney General Jeff Sessions* of child abuse…

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1009179798093156352
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June 20, 2018 10:10am
- Fletch
  
  😆
  
  People these days seem to think nothing of saying the most outrageous things to push a political point. In this case, it relates to the child migrant crisis.
  
  The media have a lot to answer for.
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:19pm
rangitoto

You’re fired:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/19/fbi-official-peter-strzok-escorted-from-fbi-building-lawyer-confirms.html
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June 20, 2018 10:17am
waripori

I caught up with the question time replay last night and two things struck me. One is that Winston did not look or sound well. He has always been slippery with words and hard to follow but that has been deliberate up until now. Yesterday he was just incoherent. ( Incidentally Davis was worse and I dont know what his excuse is ).

The other is that the Nats have a carefully constructed sequence of question and supplementaries which they work through regardless of the answers they get. If they actually listened to some of the answers they got yesterday they could have skewered Peters and Davis in particular for answers which were nonsense if not pretty close to outright lies.
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June 20, 2018 10:32am
- tf78
  
  I find fast forward extremely handy.
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:33am
- Poppa
  
  Peters talks rubbish all the time, just riddles with no substance
  
  And now he is basically incoherent as well. Didn’t we do well!
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:58am
- artemisia
  
  I think the Opposition’s idea is to put the pressure on and see what happens. Since ‘addressing’ supplementaries is the name of the game there won’t be much expectation of serious answers (which is just as well).
  
  So a long, calm series of questions on different topics may elicit more than the person answering intends, including making them look exceedingly foolish. As we have seen.
  
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  June 20, 2018 11:32am
  - waripori
    
    I guess they can always follow up next day when they have read Hansard and deciphered what was actually said, But I think it would make better TV if they could react to complete nonsense on the spot.
    
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    June 20, 2018 12:30pm
- Piniwi
  
  @waripori it is tactical as those rabbling responses offered instead of answers frequently come back to be dealt with directly. See todays coverage where Jamie Lee Ross challenged Clark saying he “rejected the premise of the question.” in answer to a question yesterday. It had Mallard again running interference and shutting it down. The end result of Mallards meddling has denigrated this important element of the House.
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:53pm
skyblue

I bet the first bastard will be born tomorrow being the shortest day of the year. Hence it will get a sooty name being Martariki.
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June 20, 2018 10:58am
- sooty
  
  Don’t blame me!
  
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  June 20, 2018 11:20am
- softail 1450
  
  skyblue, I hope she doesn’t use a plastic bag to carry the afterbirth up to waitangi for burial as she’s signaled is going to happen.
  Good grief just imagine the front page of the womans weekly
  covering that scoop.
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:25pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes, a recycled brown paper bag would be the right thing to use. Less in the bag than in the footwell of the car when she gets there (or is it the floor of Ron Air). but think of the feelz Cindy will receive.
    
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    June 20, 2018 1:00pm
  - KevOB
    
    Will the offended Maori get their first feast of long pork in a long while?
    
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    June 20, 2018 1:33pm
- skyblue
  
  Part one is playing out today. It will be born today (21 June), shortest day of the year.
  
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  June 21, 2018 7:13am
Jack5

The United States has pulled out of the UN Rights Council.

The council is made up largely representatives of dictatorships and all sorts of shit-hole countries, plus bleeding-heart Scandinavian Lefties. They love rubbishing Western countries.

Coming up soon will be a council attack on NZ probably initially created by our own scandal-plagued Human Rights Commission.

NZ should resign from the UN council, too.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12074281
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June 20, 2018 11:18am
- rangitoto
  
  I expect Haley will be POTUS for the eight years following Trump in 2024
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:42pm
DigNap15

I’d say about half the world countries have human rights problems.
So it shows what a great job they are doing.
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June 20, 2018 11:32am
DigNap15

We should pull out the whole UN as well.

I am always watching some UN idiots saying this attack has got to stop. We need hunanitarian aid to get through. Please stop fighting. This is the worst crisis since…

They don’t actually do anything about it.
Because half of the UN are shit hole countries.
And many of the rest are dictatorships
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June 20, 2018 11:34am
Manolo

After seeing the new Italian government in action progressive Europe (read Brussels) changes course:
https://www.politico.eu/article/regional-disembarkation-platforms-eu-leaders-consider-camps-outside-bloc-to-process-refugees/

European Council President Donald Tusk has proposed that EU leaders create “regional disembarkation platforms” outside the European Union, where officials could quickly differentiate between refugees in need of protection and economic migrants who would potentially face return to their countries of origin.
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June 20, 2018 11:35am
- DigNap15
  
  Refugees in need.
  Economic migrants
  Illegal immigrants
  
  All the same really
  That Donald Tusk guy should be shot
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:29pm
  - MCos
    
    You’re really on fire today!
    
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    June 20, 2018 2:39pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Europe could expect between one and two hundred million Africans over the next 80 years if they follow through with this if 4 in every hundred Africans can be granted Asylum.
  Laws surrounding Asylum seekers need to be rewritten entirely or they are going to end up being broken down and ignored. Brexit and the rise of populist parties against the established order should be a big enough warning to the EU that current migration flows are untenable i just wonder if the message is getting through their thick progressive heads at all.
  
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  June 20, 2018 2:04pm
Monique Watson

Putin took a real ‘Hurts Doughnut’ in Syria.
A ‘hurts doughnut’, is when one of my boys wanders up to another and says: ” Hurts Doughnut”, right before he kicks his bro.
As in” it hurts donnit”?
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June 20, 2018 11:42am
MrLovebucket

Question 4. for QT today looks interesting

*”JAMI-LEE ROSS to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his answer yesterday when he said “I reject the premise of that question” when asked why he allowed “his office to put pressure on the CEO of the Counties Manukau DHB not to release documents that would have contradicted his own public statements”; if so, how does he reconcile that with the Counties Manukau DHB CEO emailing board members saying “unfortunately we are under some pressure from the Minister’s office about what we can and cannot say”?”*

Looks like Clark is slowly getting boxed into a corner. Not that it matters. There will be “absoludely” no discipline dished out on JA’s watch.

Not sure why there is no question lodged for question 8

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-20-june-2018/
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June 20, 2018 11:44am
- Poppa
  
  Nothing that a few more lies won’t fix
  
  The lies roll in on a daily basis, the only difference being the minister who delivers them
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:55pm
- ex-golfer
  
  No question 8 because the Greens didn’t lodge one.
  Despite giving many of their questions to National they still retain some.
  But it would appear that today they forgot.
  Probably too busy virtue-signalling and shilling on Twitter to actually do their job.
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:57pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    How lazy of them
    
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    June 20, 2018 2:15pm
Inandout

It appears San Francisco is full of homeless people living on the street and shitting everywhere, even in the suburbs. Should this city not be called San Franfaeces?
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June 20, 2018 12:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A significant proportion of those homeless people would have been institutionalized in mental care facilities in days gone by.
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:29pm
softail 1450

I’ll take odds of 8 to 1 on it being a c section delivery,probably booked months ago.
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June 20, 2018 12:20pm
- igm
  
  If it is foaling hook a tractor and rope on to do the job.
  
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  June 20, 2018 6:41pm
starboard

Hopefully the beginning of the end..

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/104855795/us-announces-it-will-leave-un-human-rights-council
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June 20, 2018 12:22pm
- sooty
  
  Think of poor little commie chick. There will no job for her to go to at the UN.
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:31pm
  - starboard
    
    ..”.but but H1 and H2 promised me wah wah waaahhh!!…last time I go to their key party.”
    
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    June 20, 2018 12:44pm
    - sooty
      
      Key party?
      
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      June 20, 2018 3:03pm
backster

Simon Bridges doesn’t seem to have timed his agreement with Global Warming very well. Last weekend was Aussies coldest on record with every State Capital under 10 degrees, The Gold Coast on Zero….It seems a little ice age may be a little nearer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEmTqGhO_6c&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=5nJKh0njS45ohker-6
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June 20, 2018 12:37pm
- Harkman
  
  “Yay green policy Australia. Thanks using wind and solar so much to prove to the rest of the world it’s unviable.”
  
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  June 20, 2018 12:52pm
stephieboy

We learn how Pauline Hanson’s Party One Nation is in the process of free all and imploding wracked by bitter divisions. Apparently, it has all happened before,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-15/pauline-hanson-one-nation-loners-team-players-australian-senate/9873116

It does not portend well for a future like-minded party or movement here judging by the rabid right rabble posting here this morning.
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June 20, 2018 12:50pm
- starboard
  
  “Faaap fap fap fap”
  
  The shariagull in full form..
  
  https://youtu.be/O6ygaG0AsD0
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:06pm
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy,,,,fart, buuuurp.
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:44pm
Monique Watson

So. Mt Taranaki about to erupt? I might have to wander over and kick some sod around and check on the property over the next year. If it does blow do you think I’ll get rates relief?
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June 20, 2018 1:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Crikey Monique, Taranaki’s eruption was overdue in 2005.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10351746
  
  Perhaps it’s been and gone and we missed it.
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:13pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    I suspect it will be more likely that Mt Ruapehu strolls out again. Taranaki, Dormant. For the foreseeable. Geography. Eastern Sea-board more likely to rip it up.
    
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    June 20, 2018 1:28pm
  - Inandout
    
    The Greens worst nightmare would be for an earthquake around Mt Egmont to cause crude oil to surface. Only the oil companies could cap the crude, but if I were them I would walk away and leave the CoL to their messy chaos. The Gweens would of course blame fracking.
    
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    June 20, 2018 3:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Has there been an increase in seismic activity at Mt. Egmont? Are there geothermal sites in the vicinity?
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is no current volcanic activity on Mt Taranaki…
    It is in a quiescent phase.
    It is a very young volcano… most unlikely that it is dormant.
    It is due for an eruption in a statistical sense…. not happening now in the real world.
    Volcanic Alert Level – 0/Zero
    https://www.geonet.org.nz/volcano
    
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    June 20, 2018 2:04pm
    - MH
      
      probably upset by Mt Egmont trying to get out.
      
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      June 20, 2018 2:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MH , in future Mt Taranaki, please. Not the ancient British Empire one.
        
        All gone done and dusted.
        
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        June 20, 2018 2:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        Here’s the real story, the inside story, from the Encyclopedia of NZ:
        
        “Ruapehu, the beautiful maid, was married to Taranaki. One day, while her husband was away hunting, she was wooed and won by Tongariro. When Taranaki returned at the end of the day he surprised the guilty pair. A titanic battle ensued in which Taranaki was defeated. He retreated towards the west coast, carving out the course of the Wanganui River as he went. When he reached the coast he moved northwards to the western extremity of the North Island, where he rested. There his great weight made the shallow depression which afterwards filled with water and became Te Ngaere swamp. Taranaki, or Egmont, as Cook named him, now sits in silence looking towards his wife and his rival. In spite of her infidelity, Ruapehu still loves her husband and sighs occasionally as she remembers him, while the mist, which drifts eastward from his head, is the visible sign of Taranaki’s love for her. For his part, Tongariro, who despairs of ever possessing her again, smokes and smoulders with anger. To this day travellers in the Tongariro National Park see the basin called Rua Taranaki, “the Pit of Taranaki”, which lies to the east of the Tama Saddle which was the original home of Taranaki.”
        
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        June 20, 2018 3:56pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Mt Egmont. I prefer the colonial name. Besides that, there would be a host of volcanic tremors indicating some activity. This is a beat up, click bait and scaremongering. It would make Oil and gas exploration interesting though…
      
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      June 20, 2018 2:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rightoverlabour , a bit of colonial cringe there ?. Still, stand up in the movie theatre for the non-existent Queen’s National anthem.?
        
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        June 20, 2018 2:58pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        LOL…. triggered right on cue….
        
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        June 20, 2018 3:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Mt Taranaki… is a bastard epithet.
        (as is Mount Taranaki)
        
        According to the NZ Geographic Board the mountain’s name is Taranaki or Mt Egmont.
        
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        June 20, 2018 3:24pm
starboard

50 bucks on the table says it will be a violent feral native..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104853376/dairy-owner-and-son-stabbed-in-attempted-grey-lynn-robbery
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June 20, 2018 1:05pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Shay Webster is out already – nice light sentence for manslaughter.
  So what does he do? Breach parole conditions.
  Some people will never learn huh?
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:53pm
- ex-golfer
  
  This guy got off easy huh?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103275003/why-a-driver-convicted-of-manslaughter-isnt-going-to-jail
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:55pm
- MCos
  
  Quite clearly the perpetrator was violent by definition.
  ‘Feral’ is subjective.
  So basically your money hinges on whether or not the attacker was born in New Zealand.
  
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  June 20, 2018 2:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Angry will be laughing though.
  
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  June 20, 2018 3:13pm
  - igm
    
    In and Out: Pity his family are insulated against these attacks. He is the type of bastard that should wear the full effect of his actions.
    
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    June 20, 2018 6:36pm
- ex-golfer
  
  This guy fits the bill too. Scum.
  And another double-barreled surname, surely must be something in that.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104875537/man-jailed-for-particularly-meanhearted-theft-of-dying-mans-wallet
  
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  June 20, 2018 7:20pm
- RF
  
  Violent feral tanned native
  
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  June 20, 2018 11:47pm
Monique Watson

Another day and another Dairy robbing because not enough cops on the beat. Labour #soft-on-crime.
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June 20, 2018 1:09pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “A man seen leaving covered in blood”. No actual description these days. It is a wonder they mentioned him being male – bit presumptive isn’t it! //
  
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  June 20, 2018 1:15pm
  - Poppa
    
    No description required actually
    
    We all know what they look like
    
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    June 20, 2018 1:58pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Let me guess:
      – Hoody (with legible sports team logo on the back) either gray or black
      – Sweatpants (gray)
      – Work boots or jandals
      – A rolling gait when walking
      – Poor posture when standing still
      
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      June 20, 2018 2:42pm
- Longknives
  
  Never Fear Monique- According to Andy and Cindy a couple of Marae visits and then a few months playing Playstation on Home Detention will turn this Offender’s life around!
  Those people in the Dairy were merely ‘Collateral Damage’ as we strive to be a better society..
  
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  June 20, 2018 2:02pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Perhaps this robbery was done by two white guys.
    If so it will be the first dairy robbery by non Maori or PI for the last ten years!
    
    Maori really need to up their game, get educated, get a trade, stay off drugs, have some pride, speak well, be reliable etc etc.
    
    Then they may get some jobs (if they want them)
    Oh wait they think they are worth $20 an hour.
    
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    June 20, 2018 2:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives, unless you’re willfully ignorant ( most likely ) there was an epidemic of dairy robberies of this kind under National.
    
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    June 20, 2018 2:53pm
    - Jack5
      
      Give us the details, Stephie X, or are you just using taqiyah to deceive blog readers?
      
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      June 20, 2018 3:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  Monique Watson, of course, dairy robberies were unknown under the previous COL government?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZn0OiWG_I
  
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  June 20, 2018 2:39pm
- Jack5
  
  Hire another thousand cops for Auckland to keep the dairy-owner business-visa rort going.
  
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  June 20, 2018 3:42pm
  - igm
    
    Sooner have them than what the filthy CoL tossers have in mind.
    
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    June 20, 2018 6:31pm
thedavincimode

Ooops. Trumpy has given the UN Human Rights Council the arse. “… hypocritical … self-serving … protector of human rights abuse …”

5 … 4 … 3 … 2 … 1 …
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June 20, 2018 1:32pm
DigNap15

“American will not be a migrant dumping ground”

Make America great again.
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June 20, 2018 1:38pm
Poppa

This morning I spotted a new vehicle in Hamilton’s main street with signwriting on it.

Kiwibuild

Now I get it, Twyford is building cars not houses
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June 20, 2018 2:02pm
softail 1450

FFS, Winston Peters is the Nancy Pelosi of New Zealand politics ,a bumbling mumbling lost for words fool.
Or is it Maxine Waters he resembles apart from him being male,
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June 20, 2018 2:14pm
Poppa

I see the fisherman is spouting in the media again about the preggy princess

Just shut the Fuck up man, other women are having babies today & tomorrow & next week
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June 20, 2018 3:01pm
- MCos
  
  Why do you read this gossip?
  
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  June 20, 2018 3:11pm
  - Poppa
    
    I saw the headline & didn’t click
    
    Went to the little house for a chuck instead
    
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    June 20, 2018 3:17pm
- igm
  
  And at least most of them are married and self supporting.
  
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  June 20, 2018 6:30pm
Longknives

Sadly I couldn’t help myself and ‘Clicked’.
The most blatantly staged photo ever (Check out the positioning of the briefcase)
These two are both just pathetic attention seekers.
This poor kid is clearly merely a political tool/fashion accessory to them….
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June 20, 2018 3:39pm
- Poppa
  
  Thank you for reporting LK
  
  Fashion accessory seems very apt to me
  
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  June 20, 2018 3:55pm
Monique Watson

Are there any drummers in the house? And where is Lawrence?
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June 20, 2018 3:42pm
Jack5

Monty Python team “too white” for today’s BBC? The Telegraph reports:

A young Monty Python would not get their big break on the BBC today because they are “six Oxbridge white blokes”, the corporation’s head of comedy has said as he launched a new drive for diversity.

Shane Allen said comedy on the BBC must represent the nation, with audiences discovering “the stories that haven’t been told and the voices we haven’t yet heard.

Surely Monty Python pieces like this are still funny?

https://youtu.be/kx_G2a2hL6U
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June 20, 2018 4:13pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha “Anyone else care for a little…Giggle?”
  
  But Yep.
  No place for White Men in fabulous new ‘Diverse’ Britain.
  Jacinda’s Socialist Paradise of Aotearoa is quickly following (Remember Genter sneering to Schoolkids that we need old white men to die?)
  
  Shame because the Pythons were the best of the best- You won’t get the same laughs out of bitter old Femnazi’s that’s for sure…
  
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  June 20, 2018 4:24pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Meanwhile some relly good news :Afgan Refugee thriving in NZ, ( the Socialist paradise of Aoteroa )
    
    Afghan refugee thriving in NZ
    Central Leader14 Jun 2018
    TARANNUM SHAIKH
    
    “Escaping the clutches of the Taliban to becoming head boy at Pakuranga College, the story of 17-year-old Mortaza ‘‘Taza’’ Sahar is awe-inspiring.
    Taza and his family belong to the Shia Muslim community known as Hazaras, a minority group in the mostly Sunni Muslim-occupied Afghanistan.
    They have been targeted by the Taliban, infamously known for their extremist Muslim views and sharia (law), who regard Hazaras as ‘‘infidels’’.
    ‘‘Back when we were in Afghanistan, they used to capture Hazaras and decapitate them, kill them and all that stuff,’’ Taza said.
    ‘‘It wasn’t safe because of who we were. It still happens today, specifically to Shia Hazaras.’’
    In 1998, during the rise of the Taliban, Taza and his extended family evacuated to Pakistan for the next two years.
    They came to New Zealand in 2004, brought over by his uncle, who was one of 433 asylum seekers aboard a boat bound for Australia’s Christmas Island, which sank.
    However, it wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows for the Sahar family, who were at the Mangere Refugee Centre for three months.
    Resettling in a new, foreign country was difficult for Taza’s parents and uncle, especially with no English language skills and a big family to look after.
    Taza and his siblings had their own struggles, too. He recalls finding it hard to fit in with his Kiwi peers in primary school.
    ’’I used to tell my mum not to pick me up from class because she was wearing a headscarf and I didn’t want my friends to see.
    ‘‘I was quite embarrassed at the time because we looked different and I didn’t want to be that different kid. I wanted to be like everyone else.’’
    The head boy at Pakuranga College insists he wasn’t nearly as studious or accomplished as a pre-teen, as he is now.
    ‘‘I was a real trouble kid, I used to lash out. It was different to who I am now.’’
    But a trip back to Afghanistan changed his outlook when he saw the impact of poverty and lack of opportunity there.
    ‘‘I thought ‘what’s stopping me with all the opportunities I have in New Zealand? Why can’t I use that to the best of my ability?’
    ‘‘Ever since that day, I tried to do things well. I try to be the better person. Go above and beyond in my school, try to give back.’’
    And giving back is something Taza is starting within his own community.
    Last year, he joined the Hazara Youth Association NZ to help promote a stronger bond for young people in his community.
    The group brings everyone together by holding events and sports competitions, including women’s volleyball.
    Taza also helped set up English language night classes for Afghani adults, through English Language Partners, after seeing adult immigrants struggle to settle in New Zealand.
    Taza’s plans for the future include applying to Ivy League universities in the United States to pursue a career in neuroscience.
    He will also attend the Future Experiences in Agriculture, Science and Technology (FEAST) programme at the University of Queensland, Brisbane, where he and other high school students will learn about science careers in the agriculture, animal, plant and food sectors.”
    
    https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/central-leader/20180614/281487867055667
    
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    June 20, 2018 4:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      What about this Muslim refugee, Stephie X?
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/radicalised-teen-who-planned-terrorist-style-attack-takes-up-golf-in-rehabilitation-process.html
      
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      June 20, 2018 4:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        And this Muslim looking for benefits for both of his wives?
        
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/02/second-wife-muslim-marriage-may-entitled-sole-parent-benefit-new-zealand/
        
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        June 20, 2018 4:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack 5, that was back in April of which I believe you’ve already vented your paranoid buffoonery!
        
        Polygamy is not recogniseed under our MArraige laws so the claimant would have to observe them of which I would say 99% of Mulsim in NZ do.
        
        Agaain on old 2017 report , buffoon.
        
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        June 20, 2018 4:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Love your colonial English, Stephie X.
        
        The ? Stephiestani accent ? is reminiscent of Peter Sellers in this famous video clip:
        
        https://youtu.be/2nTBNHwar5o
        
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        June 20, 2018 4:52pm
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy has plagiarized someone else’s novel,
      don’t worry septic, the older men in his family will soon tune him up on,
      the treatment of females,
      how to milk the system,
      marrying 3 women with 3 benefits,
      getting the women to do all the work,
      your wives and discipline,
      being a lazy bastard and getting away with it……
      I see it in my work ,does it piss me off ? not at all ,but it does make me jealous .
      
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      June 20, 2018 5:06pm
    - rangitoto
      
      So you are saying he isn’t a true mozzie,
      
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      June 20, 2018 5:33pm
    - starboard
      
      Bawhahahaha..shariaboy got soooo excited with his rag head blah blah that he mispelt the ever precious ‘Aotearoa’…oh me..oh my..what will the mouldy say?
      
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      June 20, 2018 6:39pm
- Harkman
  
  Dirk Benedict (Face) has said that there is no way the A-Team would be made in the present, 4 real life capitalists playing characters ignoring authority, one depicting an insane person.
  
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  June 20, 2018 5:34pm
Evadne

Here’s some quality journalism from NZ Herald:

Agent Danielle Meyer, from Danielle Meyer Rural, said it was the perfect place for someone that thinks outside the box.

“I think it would be the perfect place for someone that thinks outside of the box,” Meyer said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12074539 Entire town hits the market for $534,000
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June 20, 2018 5:11pm
softail 1450

Septicboy ,the highest qualified KBr to carry out a continual sustained assault on a qwerty keyboard.
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June 20, 2018 5:16pm
Viking2

So who is a two faced +++++ now.
Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods opens the Todd Energy Mckee Mangahewa operations facility.

The operations facility supports significant economic benefits and helps to deliver security of natural gas supply to meet the country’s energy demands,” Todd Energy chief executive Joanna Breare said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104867061/todd-energy-opens-12m-mckee-control-centre-to-ensure-natural-gas-security
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June 20, 2018 5:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh goodness, I’m a triple mutant!!!
I’m lily white, blue-eyed and drink milk.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018650109/milk-drinkers-genetic-mutants-author-mark-kurlansky
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June 20, 2018 5:37pm
- nasska
  
  You don’t grow hair in odd places or have strange urges to suck blood during particular phases of the moon do you Maggy?
  
  If the answer’s in the affirmative how do garlic & crosses affect you? 🙂
  
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  June 20, 2018 5:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    1. not excessively
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SDE_LS220c
    
    2. Does eating black pudding count?
    
    3. Eating raw garlic doesn’t affect me… seems to keep the hubby well out of the way though.
    
    4. crosses are banned
    
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    June 20, 2018 5:57pm
    - nasska
      
      Hmm! Eats garlic & is up to speed with customs relating to religious symbols.
      
      This is going to be tougher than I thought! 🙂
      
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      June 20, 2018 6:00pm
  - Johnboy
    
    A real gentleman would never ask a lady about her hair other than complementing her on her new hairdo nasska! 🙂
    
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    June 20, 2018 6:00pm
    - nasska
      
      As a lady Maggy probably has more lick in growing hair in the right places than males of our age JB.
      
      Mind you nature compensates. It’s just that society doesn’t appreciate hair growing out of your nose & ears as much as that on your head. 🙂
      
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      June 20, 2018 6:04pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Piss off nasska! I bet Maggy’s chest and back aren’t as hairy as mine! 🙂
        
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        June 20, 2018 6:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How often do you shave/wax your back, Johnboy?
        
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        June 20, 2018 6:42pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Never Maggy! 🙂
        I get one of my ladies to do it every new moon but the bloody rug’s back come full moon! 🙂
        
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        June 20, 2018 6:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Jeez Johnboy, I’d get your doctor to check you for polycystic ovary syndrome.
        https://www.pcosdietsupport.com/lifestyle/hairy-pcos-and-hirsutism/
        
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        June 20, 2018 7:09pm
nasska

From the “it sucks to be a know-all conservative” files:

….”The Cannabis Act passed its final hurdle on Tuesday in a 52-29 vote in the Senate. The bill controls and regulates how the drug can be grown, distributed and sold.

Canadians will be able to buy and consume the drug legally as early as this September.”…..

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/359464/canada-legalises-recreational-marijuana

The angst amongst those who know better than us how we should live our lives will be palpable when the NZ statutes prohibiting marijuana use are consigned to the bin! 🙂
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June 20, 2018 5:40pm
- mandk
  
  “The angst amongst those who know better than us how we should live our lives will be palpable when the NZ statutes prohibiting marijuana use are consigned to the bin!”
  
  Yeah, I’m all in favour of people using farm, forestry and other machinery having no restrictions on their cannabis use.
  
  And as for people driving trucks, buses and cars while they are doped up – who cares?
  
  And kiddies can join in the fun, too!
  
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  June 20, 2018 6:08pm
  - nasska
    
    Let’s give that pontificating crap a tweak here & an edit there:
    
    ‘Yeah, I’m all in favour of people using farm, forestry and other machinery having no restrictions on their alcohol use.
    
    And as for people driving trucks, buses and cars while they are pissed as farts – who cares?’
    
    You let kids get marinated? You deserve as much public condemnation as a parent who would encourage kids to smoke cannabis.
    
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    June 20, 2018 6:19pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The reply from the conservonutters such as mandk will be along the lines of “but my drug (alcohol) is okay, it’s their drug (cannabis) that’s evil.” Usually accompanied by circular logic about cannabis being bad because it’s illegal.
      
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      June 20, 2018 8:16pm
    - mandk
      
      You must be drug addled, nasska.
      
      Of course I think that abusing alcohol is wrong.
      
      I just don’t buy into the flabby logic that says, we should legalise a harmful substance because another harmful substance is already legal.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:46pm
Johnboy

What a bummer! The insurance co’s are getting sick of chaps with scratched screens doing a ball-peen on them! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104856743/the-end-of-free-windscreen-insurance-cover-could-boost-one-mans-business
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June 20, 2018 6:03pm
Johnboy

Here’s a fine example of New Zealand manhood who needs another chance. Seventeen chances seems hardly enough to reform a fellow properly! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104875537/man-jailed-for-particularly-meanhearted-theft-of-dying-mans-wallet
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June 20, 2018 6:07pm
Inandout

I am told by an observer that the new Maori Dompost mast head has resulted in piles of unsold papers. When will they ever learn?
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June 20, 2018 6:19pm
Gravelroad

So Stuff is running a court report this evening about a criminal and meth head named Donald Bridge-Peacock who stole a man’s wallet and phone as he lay dying in the street.
He was sentenced to a few months in prison.
The report states that Donald B-P (aged 26) had 17 convictions dating back to 2009 (mostly for thieving) but including two of assault and one of threatening to kill.
“This was his first jail sentence.”
Yet we are told by Mr Little that jails are full of poor, misunderstood people who have done practically nothing wrong at all.
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June 20, 2018 6:19pm
- GoVege
  
  A drug addict, an incorrigible thief and a father at 26, to at least two children as well!
  Wonder who looks after the kids while their parents are out robbing people?
  Any guesses as to who pays for their support?
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:24pm
- RF
  
  It will be interesting to see if the perp who stabbed 2 people in a Grey Lynn dairy will be invited home to Angrys house for tea and choc biscuits.
  
  He is such a caring wee soul.
  
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  June 20, 2018 10:54pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104855520/swamp-kauri-protection-case-reaches-supreme-court

“The appeal was heard in a courtroom with an interior design based on kauri cones, although the panels were made from southern beech.”

“The judges’ new ceremonial robes also feature a kauri cone and leaf design.”

I’m hoping that our supreme court will be reversing this disgusting squandering of resources!
I can see no reason at all why they cannot deliver the same verdicts if they sat in a courtroom with painted concrete walls and wore their normal clothes to work like all the rest of us! 🙂
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June 20, 2018 6:31pm
Philview

I noticed this article on the Family First website.
Per the article Jacinda Ardern opposed parental notification for teenage abortions in 2016.

https://www.familyfirst.org.nz/2018/06/one-in-three-teens-keep-abortion-a-secret/
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June 20, 2018 7:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good on her, too.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:07pm
  - MrTips
    
    Yep good on her……for displaying the stupidity and inconsistency of the progressive mindset.
    
    Cindy is a walking compendium of social disaster.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:49pm
- nasska
  
  Philview
  
  It’s worth considering that quite a few of the abortions where the parents were kept out of the loop involved cases where the girls would have been killed or at least maimed because of the religious/cultural views of the parents. Eg. Muslims & PIs. Also, some of the pregnancies would have been caused by incest.
  
  Religious conservatism is the reason school counsellors & health professionals have to make such calls.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:26pm
  - MrTips
    
    Really? Where are the numbers to back that up? Oh thats right – the ASC won’t tell anyone.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:47pm
  - GoVege
    
    Sorry, nasska, missed and down-ticked you there!
    You’re quite right there.
    In some cultures, it’s traditional to give a pregnant unmarried teenager a hiding to punish her for disgracing the family.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:08pm
    - nasska
      
      Through circumstances & choice Mrs Nasska stayed home & looked after our girls until they were of school age. The first part time job she got was at a local Girls Home for kids of 11 to 16 who had gone off the rails.
      
      After a training period she was doing night shifts as supervisor. This was back in the mid 70s yet some of the accounts she heard from the girls of the treatment they received from their families haunt me. Religion, culture, patriarchism, alcoholism, incest & just plain cruelty were common features of the kids’ backgrounds.
      
      I’m a poor apologist for nanny state but in too many cases children have to be protected from their arsehole parents.
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:24pm
GoVege

Heard on the radio today another Maori gets done for murder of his own flesh and blood.
Does anybody really believe this dad actually intended to kill his child?
Why not avoid this situation altogether by making it illegal to leave a young child in the care of someone on meth?
Save kids being killed, save several million per person in incarceration costs, not to mention the cost of the trial.
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June 20, 2018 8:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s already a crime to leave a child in the care of someone who is intoxicated.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:36pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Like at Labour Camp?
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:58pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Why not avoid this situation altogether by making it illegal to leave a young child in the care of someone on meth?”…..
  
  There are already laws regarding manufacture & use of meth & we can see how useful they are GoVege. Adding more feel-good legislation isn’t the answer.
  
  My position has always been that people should be allowed freedom to take any drug they wish. They should, however, have the book thrown at them for any crimes they commit & their drug taking should NEVER be a mitigating argument at their sentencing.
  
  Wrapping people in cotton wool & shielding them from the consequences of their actions is counter-productive. It’s never worked & never will.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:41pm
  - GoVege
    
    Maybe so, nasska, but society has a duty to protect children from incompetent or drug-addled parents.
    This is not the first baby to die when it’s parents were out of it on drugs.
    Maybe if the law was actually enforced, fewer people would spend the kids’ benny money to pay for their drugs, in case the kids (and their drug money) were removed.
    
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    June 20, 2018 8:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Doesn’t look like the new Ministry for Kiddie Winkles is too keen on taking kids out of the care of their loved ones.
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/360034/children-s-ministry-shifts-away-from-putting-kids-in-care
  Just a dose of intensive intervention will do the trick.
  “Intensive intervention can keep children in their homes, if we step in and walk alongside the families in a very intensive way.
  
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  June 20, 2018 8:51pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”“Intensive intervention can keep children in their homes, if we step in and walk alongside the families in a very intensive way.”…..
    
    AKA all carrot…..no stick.
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:00pm
    - GoVege
      
      Stick just doesn’t do it, nasska.
      The carrot I really want to see is paying “less able” mums to get the contraceptive injection. …
      
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      June 20, 2018 9:14pm
  - GoVege
    
    Oh No….the return of “keep ’em with whanau no matter what”.
    I so hope they are asking the kids….out of earshot of the parents….if they actually want to stay with their whanau.
    They might be surprised.
    Mentoring is great, but how intensive is it really?
    
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    June 20, 2018 9:18pm
- starboard
  
  Another feral maori being locked up, for car jacking this time. Scum, pure and simple. Thanks again DG for 3 strikes, its working like a charm.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104833414/secondstrike-jail-term-for-kidnapper-michael-mamea
  
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  June 20, 2018 9:16pm
Jack5

Chinese shares continue fall in early Wednesday trading.

http://www.scmp.com/business/markets/article/2151558/hong-kong-stocks-steady-early-trading-even-dow-wipes-out-gains-made
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June 20, 2018 8:55pm
RF

Lover boy is at it again. His thirst for publicity is unable to be quenched unless he draws attention to his current girl friend. More bloody photos.

Usually it’s not a smart move to knock up a single SLG however because of her position as he once shouted to the roof tops, he’s hit the jackpot.

As he has boasted to anyone who will listen to him, all his previous conquests were preparation for this one.

I would like to move forward 10 years to see if the child finished up with a dead beat dad.
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June 20, 2018 10:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Queenstown pod like a ‘big coffin’ … Otago Daily Times

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/06/macro-afternoon-434/#comment-3127349 … and …

… New Zealand new Labour – led government … where is the action to abolish urban limits and properly debt finance infrastructure ? …

Queenstown pod like a ‘big coffin’ | Otago Daily Times Online News

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/queenstown-pod-big-coffin

“It was like being in a coffin – a big one,” Finn Heenan says of moving to a Queenstown accommodation pod two months ago.

“It wasn’t too great to be honest,” admitted the 18-year-old builder, who will next month turn student and study adventure tourism management.

While staying at Jucy Snooze Queenstown, the teenager from Clevedon said he felt enclosed and his health suffered.

“There were no windows or fresh air and it was a bit like being in a spaceship. It cost $45/night. The air was so dry that every morning, I’d wake up with a sore throat.” … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …

… New Zealand’s idiotic construction costs … check comments on thread …

Latest QV Costbuilder report shows average cost of building a home in the main centres rose 3.4% in the year to April; Christchurch followed by Auckland are the most expensive places to build | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94378/latest-qv-costbuilder-report-shows-average-cost-building-home-main-centres-rose-34

… check out … recently updated …

PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING
… refresh / reload if necessary …
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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June 21, 2018 12:34am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  INFRASTRUCTURE NEW ZEALAND 42 MEMBER DELEGATION TO SELECTED UNITED STATES METROS …
  
  Enabling City Growth: Lessons from the USA (pdf) … Infrastructure New Zealand
  
  https://infrastructure.org.nz/resources/Documents/Reports/Infrastructure%20NZ%20USA%20Report.pdf
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  … Wellington Presentation Event … WED 27 JUNE 2018
  
  Infrastructure New Zealand – WELLINGTON – WED 27 JUNE 2018 EVENT: Lessons from the USA – Planning, Funding and Enabling City Growth
  
  https://infrastructure.org.nz/event-2932846
  
  Infrastructure New Zealand – Home
  
  https://infrastructure.org.nz/
  
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  June 21, 2018 12:39am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … San Francisco Bay Area Update … CBS News …
    
    Home price insanity: $2.6 million for 900 square feet … CBS News
    
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/home-price-insanity-2-6-million-for-900-square-feet/
    
    If you’re looking for homes in Palo Alto, Calif., our sympathies to your bank account. In the most recent example of home prices gone bonkers, a two-bedroom, one-bathroom cottage has been listed for $2.6 million.
    
    At 900 square feet, that means you’d be paying more than $2,800 per square foot — an eye-popping number more typical of a luxury penthouse in Manhattan than a suburban neighborhood. The cottage has a detached garage, but only outside basement access for the laundry room. There have not been any offers yet, though realtor Laura McCarthy says she had a number of showings.
    
    “If you look globally, London has remained strong. New York has remained strong. We have a lot here. We have people coming in from all over the world,” McCarthy told KPIX.
    
    The median home price in the U.S. rose 8.7 percent to $215,600 in April compared with a year earlier, Zillow reported last month. In San Jose, Calif., home values rose 26 percent in April to a median $1.26 million … VIEW & READ via hyperlink above …
    
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    June 21, 2018 1:23am
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  I can’t be bothered with all that crap. Is hugh arguing with himself or agreeing with himself?
  
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  June 21, 2018 5:28am
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Insightful comment.
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June 21, 2018 5:34am
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  Getting ready for another long day milky trying to clean up after the COL milky? Make sure the tea and milk supplies are up to scratch and maybe make some sammies so you don’t have to leave your post. 🙂
  
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  June 21, 2018 6:36am
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    Insightful comment.
    What do you have planned for your day?
    
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    June 21, 2018 6:56am
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      More work milky. This is the best time to get it done. 4:00 am start means that I can do what I need to do before people start annoying me.
      
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      June 21, 2018 7:01am
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      … plus of course, it’s the shortest day so I need to get stuck in before it’s over.
      
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      June 21, 2018 7:04am
Viking2

and while we on the subject of stupid people and communist thought control I simply refuse to engage in any way with any news at all about the royal wee baby and its bloody stupid mother.

Not the way I see mothers, babies and families should be but then who am I to tell them.

I simply don’t need to control their lives at all.
But don’t expect me to follow, fawn over what they perceive as a great life style.
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June 21, 2018 7:16am
Viking2

Following that thought he is an article that sums up why NZ has falling productivity and failing standards and rising unreported crime and racisim etc.

A solo mother wants people to be aware of how difficult it is to get ahead after a $16,000 pay rise was reduced to about $50 extra per week when Working for Families tax credits were reduced.

Sue said she did not want sympathy, but to highlight what it was like for many New Zealand families wanting to get ahead. She said she was doing everything in her power to provide a better life for herself and her family.

“There are all these people who comment ‘you need to work more’ or ‘you need to get a better job’. Well, you work it out … We’re trapped.”
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And they are thanks to Hulun and Cullen and their bribes.
Its a good read and thought provoking. As a thought about this the govt. will be very happy to allow (indeed almost force wage rates to rise as it will negate the costs of WFF and many other subsidies, child care and so on reducing the welfare budget, but conversely creating more of the poor.

Why socialism creates the poor.
Its a good read and analysis of the problem IMHO.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104490079/when-a-16k-payrise-only-gives-you-50-a-week-extra-in-the-hand

And why David Seymour is so often right.

Of course the bit that got me was the bit about the formula and nappies. That screams no man in the family once more even though the child benefiting from those two things must be a litttley. Now babies just don’t grow on trees and generally have a father. Why did he leave home?
Perhaps JAG can fill in the details?
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