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William of Ockham

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Woke up this morning. No Party. No fracking Party. What has gone wrong, National? The principle of no principles!

Round up the climate scientists! Tens of thousands (all crooked) publishing 60,000 papers a year* (all fake). No wonder rational people think there’s something to it!

Fuck that! We need more science denial and rabid disbelief!

I call for more polling. Find out what “our people” want! What? They want more? At any cost to the environment? What are they, greedy or stupid? Ye gods, both?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2018/jun/12/how-can-climate-policy-stay-on-top-of-a-growing-mountain-of-data

Kiwiblog: cheerfully corralling climate cranks in a safe space…
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June 18, 2018 8:01am
- KiWombat
  
  It’s better to shut up and give the impression that you might be stupid, than to say something and erase all doubt !
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:03am
- Lance
  
  It’s official
  WOO has gone off into the weeds.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:16am
Captain Mainwaring

So the Police are reopening their investigation into Pike River, five years after the original investigation was closed. They are treating it as a possible crime scene and are already in discussion with Pike River families.
Surely I don’t smell a political motive here. Tell me it’s not true. Also tell me that the Police aren’t taking instructions from the CoL Government.
It’s not all bad however. If the Police are going to drag every possible suspect into this, surely they couldn’t exclude the union boss at the time who said that the mine was a safe workplace.
Yes, that was Angry Andy.
And while they’re at it they could add the Parliamentarians of the time (you know who you are) who insisted that the mine be designed as the only uphill mine in the world and allowed only one ventilation shaft. A methane bomb waiting to go off.
The Police investigation needs to be all-encompassing. If all it’s going to do is pin the blame on a couple of individuals who were unlucky enough to be working for Pike River at the time then it will be nothing but a politically-driven witch hunt.
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June 18, 2018 8:01am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oh, could you imagine if Angry Andy had issues of culpability? Anyone selling shares in a popcorn company?
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:07am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so RoWiWoR. After all, the Andrew Little who was head honcho of the EPMU sang a very different song to Andrew Little, Cabinet Minister; here’s a couple of examples:
    
    The EPMU represented approximately half of the 140 miners on the site.
    
    After the first explosion the EPMU strongly defended the management of PRC.
    
    EPMU National secretary Andrew Little (now a Labour MP) told the New Zealand Herald on November 22 2010 that there was “nothing unusual about Pike River or this mine that we’ve been particularly concerned about”.
    
    He then appeared on TVNZ’s Close Up to again defend PRC management.
    
    He told Close Up that underground mining was inherently unsafe and the risk of gas explosions, particularly on the West Coast, was high.
    
    While the industry was aware of the risks and took the necessary precautions, unfortunately these kinds of incidents still happened, he argued.
    
    Then there was this, just a few days later:
    
    On November 26, 2010 the Dominion Post ran an article that denounced ‘wild’ rumours that the mine was not safe. It declared that “Any suggestion of obvious or known safety lapses does not find traction with unionised staff or union leader Andrew Little.”
    
    Andrew Little’s conciliatory views toward PRC management were echoed by Labour MP Damien O’Connor. He suggested that no one was responsible for the accident and that the disaster was “just one of these things that the West Coast unfortunately has had to get used to over the years”.
    
    Little and O’Connor’s views would of found favour with the Minister for Energy and Resources, Gerry Brownlee. He insisted that PRC had “an absolute focus on health and safety”.
    
    So here we had the Government, the Labour Party and the EPMU all lining up to defend the management of PRC
    
    http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2014/12/how-andrew-little-failed-pike-river.html
    
    These are actual quotes from Andrew Little, head of the union that represented the bulk of the Pike River workers. The Dom-Post has him denying any safety lapses at Pike River, whilst the Herald quote says there was “nothing unusual” about Pike River.
    
    However the most important quote is the one Little made on Close Up where he said that mining underground was “inherently unsafe”, but that staff and management at Pike River took steps to mitigate the risk.
    
    This could all blow up in Andrew Little’s face if the Police find that employee behaviour contributed to the tragic explosion there.
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:43am
    - waikatogirl
      
      KS, surely is there not a conflict of interest of Andrew Little Justice Minister investigating Andrew Little head honcho of the EPMU?
      
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      June 18, 2018 8:57am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Far be it from me to suggest that waikatogirl, lest mikenmild comes along and accuses my of hypocrisy 😀
        
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        June 18, 2018 10:37am
    - tf78
      
      This is purely hearsay, but I had friends who lived in Greymouth at the time who said the miners were well aware of the dangers in the mine, but were after the very large bonuses offered. How much truth there is in that I don’t know, but it sounds plausible.
      
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      June 18, 2018 11:44am
      - Shunda barunda
        
        I occasionally worked up at the site and the rumors are true, one of the recruitment officers was even trying to get me to sign up as an untrained miner suggesting i could make far more money than i was with my small business. I also spoke to miners from Spring creek that said they would never work in Pike river, one even said to me “mark my words, that mine is going to blow up”.
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The dangers of this mine were well known.
        Geologists had identified that the strata were likely to contain gas deposits.
        Experienced westCoast miners would have been well aware of the dangers before work started.
        They can’t have been in any doubt about the problems with gas they were encountering… as there is plenty of evidence that the miners were gaming the system.
        Pike River: bags covered up gas sensors
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10771821
        
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        June 18, 2018 3:39pm
      - GoVege
        
        Even if all that is true, and it probably is, (knowing the “she’ll be right” attitude here), are the workers in charge or is the management?
        Did all 29 workers deserve to die because some idiots were disabling the gas detectors?
        In many places in Australia when you’re working outdoors, you wear sunscreen or you get the sack.
        And it’s only your own life you are endangering.
        The buck is supposed to stop with the management.
        
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        June 18, 2018 4:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sharunda Barunda, in his/her 12.04 post, touches on the experience of the Pike River miners. Here’s what Pike River Coal Ltd’s former chairman, John Dow, was reported as saying at the Royal Commission inquiry:
        
        In response to criticism Pike had inexperienced miners, Dow said all mines faced difficulties getting experienced miners because of high international demand.
        
        However, he noted the mine had a very experienced and skilled senior team.
        
        ”The board would expect these challenges would be picked up and dealt with appropriately at site.”
        
        Health and safety was always considered before production demands, he said.
        
        Dow disputed earlier claims a bonus offered to staff for hydro-mining production impacted on health and safety.
        
        He said he was surprised Pike’s then safety and training manager, Neville Rockhouse, did not raise safety issues with him, despite highlighting many safety concerns to the inquiry.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/6092596/Pike-River-No-money-in-mines-kitty
        
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        June 18, 2018 5:43pm
      - RF
        
        The report into the disaster is on line and makes very interesting reading.
        
        The safety officer Rockhouse although he lost his son in the explosion has to be put under the blow torch to explain alleged safety breaches. I cannot believe he has not been investigated.
        
        Maybe the Police might find time for this after they sort out the Labour sex camp investigation.
        
        Had the mine been in Australia it would have been shut down.
        
        Mike Hosking made some very interesting comments this morning where he reminded us that when Ardern was promising the world pre election their experts claimed that the mine was safe to enter.
        
        More BS from a compulsive liar who now keeps delaying the entry to 2020. Just in time for the election….. hush my mouth….
        
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        June 18, 2018 8:38pm
  - ztev
    
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    The Royal Commission laid all issues of culpability with the Pike River Mining company and its management.
    A properly resourced and funded Mines inpectorate could well have prevented things getting so bad.
    Anybody else is not really believeable unless…
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:27am
    - KevOB
      
      You do sound like Trev.
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  Nice delaying tactic by the Police/CoL.
  A lengthy new investigation.
  Don’t need to honour election promise to the bereaved families for Winston 1st and Mr Little to go into the mine for at least a year or two.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:13am
  - Debbie
    
    By which time they’ll be voted out again and can blame it all on those “nasty nats” that they’re not going in after all
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:18am
    - ex-golfer
      
      Meanwhile the families (who are now very rich) have been used for political gain by the Labour Party.
      
      Labour – shitting over their traditional support base since forever!
      
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      June 18, 2018 8:48pm
  - ztev
    
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    Key didnt honour his promises to the Mine families and worse he didnt even admit he had ‘moved on’ just walked all over them.
    
    Just to make it worse , first Key denied NZ had lax mining standards, then later backtracked and told ‘The Australian’ Pike River wouldnt have got approval there. Finally he tried to cover his tracks by denying he said NZ standards were lower.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:31am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Lax mining standards, written by the Clarke govt.
      Nats INHERITED THE MINE.
      Mine got approval under LABOUR.
      Key was smart not go in, watch this space for Labour backing themselves into a corner.
      They have no way of judging the safety of the mine so promises are hollow at best.
      Any accident, in the attempt, will be squarely on LABOURS shoulders.
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:11pm
      - ztev
        
        Mine that started coal mining under national wasnt completely same project that was approved under labour, especially ‘escape shaft and new exit’ were pushed back into ‘to do list’
        
        lax mining codes were written in 1990s after longstanding mining rules were considered too restrictive and too expensive to run, mining inspectors virtually disappeared.
        
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        June 18, 2018 2:18pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Right RWC but so many forget how the last Labour mob tampered with mine safety standards, practices as well as the numbers of inspectors all at their union bosses direction.
        
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        June 18, 2018 2:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        In 1997, when the Bolger National Government was in power, the retired chief inspector of coal mines, Harry Bell, wrote to the then Minister of Energy, Max Bradford, warning him that reforms under way to weaken the specialist mines inspectorate were deeply flawed, and ignored tragic lessons of the past.
        
        https://www.noted.co.nz/archive/listener-nz-2013/pike-river-a-chilling-warning-from-the-past/
        
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        June 18, 2018 5:01pm
  - tf78
    
    They have to look like they’re doing something with $23m to spend.
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:45am
- Inandout
  
  Plainly our Angry takes his cue from Mueller on politically-driven witch hunts. Meanwhile a Labour sex camp investigation flounders.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  They will never be able to establish with any certainty the cause of the explosion and never be able to get to the mine workings.
  
  There’s no point wasting scarce police resources on this while dairies are being robbed , while gangs import drugs and guns and while people drive their cars while texting ( resulting in multiple deaths on the roads).
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:15am
  - KevOB
    
    The cause is simple: putting an underground coal mine on a known gas producing fault. That hazard is well known in the industry.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:48am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    It’s OK, we heard today the Police will no longer have to investigate burglaries, just report on how many they felt like investigating. So they should have plenty of time…
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:55am
  - VicParking
    
    The cops have spare time now that they dont have to go to Burglary’s.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:32pm
- Paulus
  
  This Police action in reopening the case against ??? is puzzling. Appears that a possible political view is being aired.
  Is it that they will only open up the case when they get into the Drift – not to the actual mine as this is behind a huge rock fall of unknown volume where if there are any bodies, will be found?
  I hope that the Police will re read the Inquiry again when it was even suggested that some of the miners my have covered up the gas sensors and other small misdemeanors, in breach of the mine rules.
  As an obtuse direction I wonder whether the Mayor of Greymouth, Tony Kockshorn, who owns the local papers, and has just bought another one, and retiring from the Mayoralty to run his papers has a finger in the pie – it being known locally that he would like to be the MP for the Coast.
  O’Connor should be careful if he wishes to remain the local MP where he is doing a good job in that role despite his colleagues.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:15am
  - fernglas
    
    There will need to be an inquest into the deaths if any remains are found, and it is the responsibility of the Police to gather evidence to assist the Coroner. If there is a scene opened up where there have been deaths then of course the Police will want to look at it. The only political interference behind what the cops have said is that which is leading to the attempt to enter the drift, if it ever takes place.
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:27am
    - ztev
      
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      Coroner has allready held inquest and reported .
      What exactly are you talking about ?
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:33am
  - sooty
    
    So the police are going to lead the charge into the drift. Angry and Winnie will only be allowed to pose in the entrance, with all the safety gear on for photos. Something smells rotten to me! This has to be Labour driven. The trouble is that Angry only has a limited political life left, when they go in. Is he leaving soon?
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:36am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Are the investigators going to look at the Greens for blocking the extra air shafts that should have been mandatory?The Greens also prevented Pike being an opencast coal mine, which coal should always be!
      
      The death of those men wouldn’t have happened without ideological political interference.
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:04am
      - ztev
        
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        Greens never blocked anything.
        Royal Commission said opencast was never even considered. Geologic and physical considerations even now would rule that out as impossible, compare with open cast on Denison plateau
        Company was given go ahead to begin mining and fix up vertical airshaft problem later, which was a mistake which no one has been held accountable. Later never came
        
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        June 18, 2018 9:39am
      - backster
        
        Yep but they saved the snails.
        
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        June 18, 2018 10:35am
      - Tricati
        
        Will be interesting if the re-entry proposal requires additional ventilation shafts, and/or the proposed parallel shaft into the drift require resource consent. Will forest & bird along to the greens stop this?
        
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        June 18, 2018 3:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        Backster, snails weren’t an issue at Pike River. You are thinking of mines near Westport.
        
        Ztev is correct, that the developers – correctly – never envisaged an open cast mine for the Pike River seams.
        
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        June 18, 2018 5:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        While Pike River Coal Ltd didn’t envisage opencast mining, Solid Energy, when looking at the collapsed venture, did suggest that parts of the Pike River seams might be extracted by open cast methods, but said that this would be challenging.
        
        Solid Energy, which was itself brought down by the collapsing world price of coal, in 2013 suggested an opencast mine for the shallower Pike River seams, stretching into a national park.
        
        It added further work would be needed, along with government backing, to investigate whether Pike River coal could be extracted through an opencast mine.
        
        At the time, Solid Energy was in a bad financial state, and any opencast investigation would have required State investment.
        
        Given the cost of initially trucking, then railing the coal to Lyttelton before shipment to Asian markets, any opencast coal from Pike River would have been vulnerable early to falls in world coal prices.
        
        As a layman, I wonder why the explosions’ proof of high levels of methane in the Pike River seams hasn’t woken the country to the potential of fracking CSG gas from South Island and Waikato mines.
        
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        June 18, 2018 5:24pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Could I make plea for speed camera traffic cops to be the scene investigators in the drift. The opportunity for them to finally do something of merit with their careers is huge, plus if something goes wrong … Well it would lift the overall integrity of the whole force
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:59pm
  - KiWombat
    
    O’Connor doing a good job ?
    
    He rarely visits the coast, once a month at most, then returns north to where he lives.
    
    People south of Hokitika do not remember ever seeing him south of the airport, so there are hundreds of kilometers of his electorate that he has never visited. Perhaps he is doing well by the West Coast through not being here ?
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:38am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Thanks KiW.
      I understand you are a Coaster (?) and was hoping someone from that region would respond.
      I had a few dealings with Mr O’Connor and found him to be a bit of a blowhard – talks big, and you go away from the meeting feeling all positive – but then nothing happens………
      
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      June 18, 2018 8:57am
      - KiWombat
        
        I hear what you say – and congratulate you on being able to find him !
        
        His “office” in Greymouth is the local RSA, and I’ve seen his sign there, but upon enquiry he had already left for that day.
        
        Motueka is a bit far to expect coasters to travel to see their local MP. Suffers the invisible man syndrome !
        
        In HariHari locals think Paula Bennett is their local MP as she is the only one they ever remember seeing there !
        
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        June 18, 2018 9:30am
      - ztev
        
        Well Harihari does have a truck stop, Paula made bee line for that… and the local tattoo shop
        
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        June 18, 2018 2:20pm
    - Harkman
      
      “O’Connor doing a good job ?”
      After the coal announcement, O’Connor is gone, there’s no coming back from that. Mark Richardson just read out the poll that surprised and comforted me, 62% support coal mining in NZ.
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:24am
      - Felt
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/06/poll-should-we-still-be-coal-mining-in-new-zealand.html
        
        Poll: Should we still be coal mining in New Zealand?
        
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        June 18, 2018 10:47am
      - rockape
        
        O Connor is one of the laziest MPs in the beehive. He does nothing for the electorate. He says he will look into things but never does . Hence his nickname “mirror”
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:44pm
    - ztev
      
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      Electorate runs from outskirts of nelson and includes west coast. Most voters live in Bays area of course
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:41am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Like Hipkins then?
      As they may say in Texas
      All hat and no cattle.
      Never see him, never works in his electorate has almost never even used the word “Rimutaka”.
      Are all Labour constituent MP’s like that?
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:32pm
      - ztev
        
        And where does Wairarapa Mp live ?
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&objectid=11305200
        
        Big city Mps dont always live in their electorates but rural Mps are expected to do so. eg Key lived in Parnell , never in helensville
        Famously English left Southland for boarding school at 12 and was established in wellington with his wife and brood. never mind just faked being a southland farmer for 24 years and then went on the list – problem solved.
        
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        June 18, 2018 2:25pm
  - Komata
    
    Paulus
    
    In that context, it was very noticable that once again a certain Monk, B is slavering at the mouth and baying-on about the ‘unfairness’ etc. etc. etc. Mr Monk certainly likes the publicity and (as always) is determined to make the most of it (for the ‘grieving’ families of course)
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:22am
  - Shunda barunda
    
    How is O’Connor doing a good job for the Coast? The only thing he is doing is exploiting the deluded belief by older generations that the Labour party they voted for 40 years ago still exists.
    But I’ll tell you something, that delusion seems to have turned a corner, going from recent commentary and public opinion in the Greymouth area the consensus seems to be that Peters is a traitor, Labour have lied and this is the end of their tenure on the West Coast.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:22pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “that the Labour party they voted for 40 years ago still exists.”
      You better hope it doesn’t, they were at least as bad as this lot, perhaps worse.
      “They” are hanging on to a delusion.
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:35pm
- oldpark
  
  @CM Also not forgetting that some of the miners allegedly fly sprayed the mine’s sensors which would cancel out early warning of methane gas in the area of the mine.Just another wee codicil to the potential so called crime scene.
  Now what’s the saying . The law of unintended consequences.Go figure.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:31am
  - ztev
    
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    have you ever been in a mine, why would you do something that stops you being alerted to a clear and present danger.
    Oh thats right , you heard it at the pub.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:44am
    - oldpark
      
      @ZTEV
      Yes fumigated head. I have been in a mine as you have been in Jail. Why dont you just fuck off and do something useful. Like get out off you’re sorry sick elongated drop kick arse. You sound as if you are one of the unfortunate sickos that Helen Clark dumped on unsuspecting NZs when she closed the mental homes and hospitals. Time you’re probation officer fast tracked you back into the institution you have just been paroled from.
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:03am
    - Sideoiler
      
      …..why would you do something that stops you being alerted to a clear and present danger.
      Oh thats right , you heard it at the pub.
      
      This from the royal commission,
      
      Underground, difficulties arose because of a shortage of underviewers and deputies, a high ratio of inexperienced to experienced miners and the presence of overseas miners unused to New Zealand mining conditions.
      A serious problem was the workers’ practice of bypassing safety devices on mining machinery so work could continue regardless of the presence of methane. This was reckless behaviour. There were also reports of other conduct and incidents caused by inexperience, inadequate training and failures to follow procedures.
      
      http://pikeriver.royalcommission.govt.nz/Volume-One—What-Happened-at-Pike-River
      
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      June 18, 2018 11:01am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        and , at the time, didn’t angry andy make excuses as to why they did it?
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:37pm
  - Jack5
    
    Oldpark’s ” some of the miners allegedly fly sprayed the mine’s sensors” is hearsay and bullshit. It’s illogical, too. In mines I have been in miners don’t even wear electronic watches – as a safety precaution.
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:15am
- pentwig
  
  They will also have to look at their own Inspector Gary Knowles, who was in charge of the rescue but had no experience in mining.
  From all accounts he was biggest obstacle against going into the mine to affect a rescue.
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:07am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Not to mention the Safety Officer from the previous shift who knew gas levels were rising and allowed the next shift to clock on unaware.
    I think that guy needs calling to account.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:08am
    - Paulus
      
      Sad that the Health and Safety Manager allowed both his sons to be miners there – sadly one never got out.
      He said at the Royal Commission that the mine was unsafe or something similar – yet he and his family remained in the company.
      But it is his wife along with Monk is one of the two protagonists wanting more – what ! of course.
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:22am
    - Jack5
      
      If you are going to call people to account, how about the ex-manager who wouldn’t even come from Australia to give evidence at the inquiry?
      
      How about the hype in the float of Pike River, that cost investors heaps as well as so many miners their lives? It was hype from the beginning, initially with talk of redeveloping Greymouth Port, upgraded roads, and round-the-clock convoys of trucks ferrying coal to the wharves.
      
      There’s been an excellent book written on the mine disaster: Rebecca Macfie’s Tragedy at Pike River Mine: How and Why 29 Men Died. It will probably be in from your local library.
      
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      June 18, 2018 11:30am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        How many weeks was he the manager for???
        
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        June 18, 2018 1:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        To RW Capitalist’s question:
        
        The former Pike River chief executive who declined to give evidence to the Royal commission headed the company for 14 years from the beginning of the project.
        
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        June 18, 2018 1:55pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Jack
        The current CEO of the company, Peter W Whittall, a 29-year veteran miner and mining executive, was appointed in the position 2 October 2010. The Pike River Mine disaster occurred less than two months after Whittall’s appointment as CEO. c2010
        The truth please.
        
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        June 18, 2018 5:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        Here are the facts, more fully from Wikipedia, from which R.W.Capitalist has also drawn:
        
        “The current CEO of the company, Peter W Whittall, a 29-year veteran miner and mining executive, was appointed in the position 2 October 2010. The Pike River Mine disaster occurred less than two months after Whittall’s appointment as CEO …
        
        … Whittall joined Pike River Coal in 2005. Prior to his role as CEO, Whittall held the position of General Manager Mines and was responsible for on-site construction, mine development and recruitment at the Pike River operation.
        
        And:
        
        “The previous head of the company was Gordon Ward, who was managing director and CEO from May 2007 until 1 October 2010. Until his departure, Ward had led Pike River Mine from its initial conceptual design for fourteen years.”
        
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        June 18, 2018 5:55pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps it’s time for another look at the way the police control of the mine immediately after the explosion.
  
  As pointed out in Australia, what would police know about mining?
  
  But, in the absence of anyone-else, didn’t the police block entry between the two initial explosions? They were probably right, but shouldn’t that decision be included in any new investigation?
  
  Expecting the police to run engineering investigations such as the Pike mine disaster and the collapse of the CTV building is putting too much on them.
  
  Given that underground mining is being killed by the Greens, is it worth bringing in from overseas the needed mining engineers and other industry specialists to reach meaningful conclusions from a Pike River inquiry.
  
  Maybe this is a diversion from the promise of re-entry of the mine.
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:08am
- Piniwi
  
  Sadly Captain based on recent Police “results” it will be nothing more than an expensive exercise to shut the whole issue of liability down. Few missed the irony that even though Angry Andy is donkey deep in what happened he is now in charge of re-entry. With all the other deflections from Police since the COL came to power do you honestly expect anything positive for NZ to come out of this whitewash exercise? Timing is everything and it is almost a certainty their internal polling is looking like a bon voyage message. They are rushing to clear up ever blunder on their old report card this term as it will be a long time before they get another chance.
  
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  June 18, 2018 2:22pm
KiWombat

Twitford is proof that evolution can go backwards

He’s deprived a village somewhere of an idiot !
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June 18, 2018 8:02am
KiWombat

I’ve made it from my bed to the couch – there’s no stopping me now !
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June 18, 2018 8:03am
Right of way is Way of Right

Remember when MMP was proposed as a fairer, more representative system? Our PM is in his current position with 7% of the vote.

So, that’s fair, is it?
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June 18, 2018 8:04am
- KiWombat
  
  Sometimes I wonder whether our country is being run by smart people who are just pulling our leg, or by imbeciles who really believe in what they do !
  
  No one party can fool all of the people all of the time, that’s why we have a coalition of three parties so that they take turns !
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given my experience in providing strategy for public policy, I would go with the latter.
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:16am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And 5 of that 7% have already deserted the prick.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  MMP was voted for by the people to punish their politicians.
  Politicians are now punishing the people ( as usual).
  
  And it has always been thus. They always have the power , we pretend we do.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:17am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  7% , thats a landslide
  
  After the 2014 election national was kept in office by
  ACT 0.69%
  UF 0.22%
  Maori 1.32%
  as their 47% is close but no cigar
  
  You should ask May about her 2017 election where she increased the vote by 5.5% but lost a swag of seats and ‘even worser’ now relies on being propped up by the DUP and their 0.9%
  
  What a bunch of ignorant twats you lot are
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:06am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Says the genius, and serial negativist complainer.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:40am
    - softail 1450
      
      Don the kiwi, KB’rs are going to have to start ignoring the goat botherer trev,he’s obviously a masochist troll and we could be charged with supplying the fucking clown with his fix.
      i’m sure one hand is on his keyboard and the other on his little tool.
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:49am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …and a combined score of 44.19% meant that Greens, Labour, NZF scored less than National alone. If, you want to argue percentage of the vote at 2014 election, then 3.97% went to the Conservatives, so the combined National plus allies equalled 53.20 versus Labour plus allies equalled 45.61% (includes Internet Mana).
    
    As for using the UK electoral position, that is lame. For those who don’t know:
    1. The UK has a first past the post electoral system (as NZ had prior to 1996);
    2. Mary’s Tories were the largest single part returned in last year’s election, but failed to get a majority (323 seats);
    3. After the election May formalised an arrangement with the DUP (the Democratic Ulster Party);
    4 The provence of Northern Ireland returns to Westminster a combination of local MPs representing their communities based on the traditional divide of Protestant v Catholic;
    5. Ulster has a population of 1.5m out of a total UK population of 65mill, so although the DUP won a majority of the seats in Ulster to expect them to have more than 1% of the vote (given the number of votes in Ulster & the UK).
    So, your UK comparison on percentages of the vote is spurious.
    
    So, if we are “ignorant twats” for questioning the validity of minority Peters, then you are just as hollow and as big a sham as Toothy with your posts.
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:54am
    - Niz
      
      I’m just pleased we don’t have more fringe parties out there. Imagine if we had the anti-vax party, the flat earth party, the Green party (oops, that one has already squeaked in)…, and if the threshold was lowered from 5% as some want. The country has enough nutcases in it that one (more) fringe party could be holding the reins, and they’d be telling us that this is what the majority wants.
      This cuurent system is fuc*ed.
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:08pm
    - ztev
      
      So how can MMP be blamed kiwihulk for ‘strange’ electoral results when the UK was odder.
      A seat at westminister is a seat no matter where it come from. Mansplaining that the DUP is from Ulster is ….
      
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      June 18, 2018 2:32pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Zdiv how is the UK odd. It was a TOP result, with 2 parties agreeing a support agreement.
        
        The difference with NZ is, on 23/9/2017 If, you told the electorate that Peter’s would get less than 10% of the vote & he would be Acting PM in 9 months time, 54% of voters would have told you to f*****f!
        
        Now, do you want to talk about what was in the 33 page secret document. Didn’t think so, so toddler off to the Standards & bore yourself witless there.
        
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        June 18, 2018 4:35pm
  - VicParking
    
    They are Sucking lemons at Frasier House this morning
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:23pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Given how busy ztev has been, I suspect your right. Probably the royal annoited one has not arrived yet to deflect attention.
      
      Question, given Toothy’s outporings, what’s the bet she’ll end up too precious to push?
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:38pm
      - LTA1955
        
        HK – you can use posh please, ’cause precious she ain’t!
        
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        June 18, 2018 3:27pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        LTA, I should’ve put precious in quote marks. I didn’t use “posh, because there is no way Toothy is “posh.
        
        I’ll rephrase then. My bet is, the S”f”LG will give up on the idea of pushing, because, it’ll all be too much for her and the CoL will get desperate for a distraction from their shambles.
        
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        June 18, 2018 4:27pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I’m ignorant? I must be, because I don’t seem to recall a deputy or acting prime minister from the Act Party. Or was it Peter Dunne who held the office? I’m sure I would have remembered if Te Ururoa Flavell had appeared on TV as the Acting Prime Minister. Oh my terrible awful ignorance in not being able to remember things that never actually happened! What was I thinking!!!
    
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    June 18, 2018 3:18pm
Nukuleka

Further daft virtue signalling from the Christchurch City Council. The soon to be built Christchurch Convention Centre is to be called Te Pae. As with its renaming of the Christchurch Central Library such rebranding wholly removes the sense of location and function of the facility. Few will be able to pronounce it correctly and it will farcically come to be called The Pie.

No doubt he name was ‘gifted’- at some cost to ratepayers.
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June 18, 2018 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  The Murris also gifted a new name for the Otago Settlers Museum . Despite “consultation” showing a big majority in favour of Settlers , our betters chose the Murri name.
  
  And to differ was deemed “racist”.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/toitu-official-after-mayor-casts-vote
  
  The permanent political elite knows best you see.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:20am
- KiWombat
  
  Perhaps the naming of such public facilities should be put out to tender. Rather than the plethora of “touchy feely” names that very few understand, we should give our commercial giants the opportunity to pay for what is now free advertising.
  
  If Chch could raise hundred of thousands of more in naming rights, just think – rates could be kept at sustainable levels. Win win !
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:44am
- VicParking
  
  Te Pae. = The Site
  If it had been called that in English the council would have been ridiculed but because its Maori and no doubt cost $20k+ its ok.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:46am
  - ztev
    
    It would have been long built by now, but some politicians reneged on their promises… whos that guy dissapearing through the no entry door…
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:14am
    - Duxton
      
      You mean David Benson-Pope?
      
      He spent a bit of time around ‘no entry doors’, so I hear.
      
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      June 18, 2018 11:35am
- Harkman
  
  What about Christchurch Polytechnic being renamed Ara? F__k me that’s right up there with some of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen (and to be fair it happened under National’s watch). When will this nonsense end?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:31am
- KevOB
  
  Is it going to be pie shaped?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:53am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Murri is involved; guess who will cut the pie and get first pick of the slices and then demand some of your slice . . . . .
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:26am
  - Jack5
    
    The Christchurch conference centre will aim to host international conferences.
    
    Foreigners who are familiar with Maori are rare, and calling the centre Te Pae fails many of the requirements of a good brand name.
    
    The internet has several sites repeating the lessons and techniques of marketing and brands. I’ve linked to an Indian marketing site, which is as apposite as any.
    
    Drawing on it:
    
    1. A brand should be easy to remember. Te Pae won’t be easy for foreigners to remember, let alone the majority of New Zealanders who don’t speak Maori.
    
    2. Suggestions and associations – for non-Maori speakers they will be absent.
    
    “A well-chosen name or symbol should be suggestive of quality, or may be associated with superiority or a great personality.”
    
    3. Appropriateness, and the power of linking a name to something with what the marketing site calls mystique. Across languages this will be difficult, and especially difficult when one of the languages is unknown, as Maori will be to most foreigners.
    
    “It should be appropriate: Many products are surrounded by a certain mystique in the minds of the consumer.”
    
    The marketing site also notes:
    
    “Mostly a company develops several names for a product and makes a choice later after debate and discussion.”
    
    Has there been a debate in Christchurch?
    
    https://www.marketing91.com/characteristics-of-a-good-brand-name/
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:19pm
- Kabull
  
  Here in Wellington the Council is going off the rails, wanting to make the city a ‘te reo Maori city’ by 2040. Michael Reddell makes an interesting point on the size of the Maori population in virtuous cities: https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/06/16/a-new-reform-for-wellingtons-mayor/
  The key point relating to Wellington is that at the 2013 census, only 7.6% of the city’s population was Maori, while 14.9% were Asian. Is there not a better argument for signage and naming to be in Mandarin?
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:24am
  - kowtow
    
    Off the rails or off the reservation?
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:20am
oldgolfer

It’s the latter.
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June 18, 2018 8:15am
secondcumming

Watched a rerun of ‘The Nation’ on MySky last nite.

Towards the end of the program, they screened an old video-clip of a very much younger *NICKY KAYE* during her ‘hippy days’.

Whilst mildly entertaining, it did answer one question that had been bothering me for some time, “Why on earth would such an attractive blonde like Nicky, go to all the trouble of dying her roots black?”
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June 18, 2018 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  Maybe she was rooted by a black at some stage and wanted to show empathy with him?
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:18am
  - Lance
    
    So are you and EAD2 in the same klan?
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:56pm
holysheet

A 12 year old boy gets hit by a car at a busy intersection. A woman witnesses the entire event and runs over to the little boy, who’s lying on the ground in a pool of blood. She gently cradles the boy’s head in her arms and whispers, “Do you need a priest?” The boy moans, “How you can think of sex at a time like this?”
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June 18, 2018 8:17am
- Scott
  
  Well that’s charming!!?? Why do you call yourself holy sheet? Surely everything you write is the opposite of holy. It doesn’t seem like truth in advertising to me. Perhaps “unholy prick” might suit you better?
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:20am
- Lance
  
  Not funny
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:21am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    It’s another cut and paste from Sickipedia
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  Couple of holy Rollers don’t like your joke Holy.
  For Scott and Lance.
  The Pope is driving in Rome and passes a police car. The officer is suspicious by the erratic driving, and signals him to pull him over.
  Getting out of his car to talk to the Pope the officer smells alcohol on the Pope’s breath. He asks the Pope, “Your eminence , have you been drinking?”
  “Only water” the Pope says. Not believing him, the officer asks, “Well then, why can I smell wine?”
  “Good Lord!” the Pope exclaims, “He’s done it again.”
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:54am
  - Scott
    
    VicParking- see that is funny 🙂
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:58am
    - Lance
      
      Agreed
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  hollycrap , morning moron!
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:23am
  - axeman
    
    Fuck off Walph
    
    Lololololololol
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:31am
  - KiWombat
    
    The TripeWriter is back !
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:35am
Scott

Meanwhile in America the president, Donald Trump, continues to win. Record low unemployment, the economy booming, new peace deal with North Korea and the list goes on. We could learn a lot from what America is doing.

Unfortunately the socialists who run the country here are unilaterally shutting down entire industries, raising taxes and doing their absolute best to drag the economy down.

But our media says that Trump is an idiot and Jacinda is smart. There is a disconnect between academic liberal types who just do not understand the real world. America is going from strength to strength and over here business confidence is plummeting.

We need some of what they’ve got!!
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June 18, 2018 8:17am
- igm
  
  Our Fairfax media must be on edge as a urgent AGM is on the cards to address NZ drain on bottom line profits.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:47am
  - Justitia
    
    Let’s hope they decide to cut their losses, pack up their tent and bugger off. Their newspapers are hardly fit for wrapping the scraps.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:12am
  - Duxton
    
    Excellent news!
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:38am
- sooty
  
  Must be something in the water?
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:50am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I hear they may get 4% growth, up from a forecast 3%, in the USA.
  here the have reduced the forecast from 2.5%-3% down to 2%-2.5%.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:42pm
Monique Watson

Mexicans socked it to the Germans.
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June 18, 2018 8:25am
- GazzaW
  
  Angela will not be happy.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:30am
  - hullkiwi
    
    She is not. As it happens, Mrs Hullkiwi’s name is Angela and she is German/Austrian!
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:39am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Great, does she contribute to KB? There’s a lot happening in Germany at the moment.
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, and looks like the Head of her Migration Agency won’t be happy…
    https://www.rt.com/news/429998-germany-bamf-migration-chief-dismissed/
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:46am
- secondcumming
  
  This is the only wall Mexico will be paying for 🙂
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df55sJiUEAArz1G.jpg
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    secondcoming, unexpectedly beating Germany?
    
    LOL
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/world-cup/news/germany-vs-mexico-final-score-hirving-lozanos-goal-stuns-world-cup-champs-in-massive-upset/
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:02am
- Inandout
  
  Speaking of Mexico I was watching a rather realistic doco of Acapulco, and how tourists are now avoiding it because of the high murder rate. Quite amazing how drug gangs can kill off a tourist destination so quickly, and how Trip Advisor can paint a pretty picture.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4830194/Mexico-s-murder-capital-Acapulco-shown-chilling-photos.html
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:49am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Was it me or did the Germans appear arrogant?
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:45pm
hullkiwi

A way for National to wrong foot the government (& Hager).

Take on board his investigation into NZ providing safe haven for those providing legal cover to those who seek to launder funds taken from countries with corrupt governments.

Putting my personal views of Hager to one side, what is important is NZ’s reputation as a country that is free from corruption at both a government and commercial level.

Therefore, with his current investigation, Hager is providing an open goal for National to act and make the government look like they are failing to look and think about the “big picture” yet again.
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June 18, 2018 8:35am
Monique Watson

“A man is getting into the shower just as his wife is finishing up her shower, when the doorbell rings.
The wife quickly wraps herself in a towel and runs downstairs.
When she opens the door, there stands Bob, the next-door neighbor.
Before she says a word, Bob says, “I’ll give you $800 to drop that towel.”
After thinking for a moment, the woman drops her towel and stands naked in front of Bob.
After a few seconds, Bob hands her $800 and leaves.
The woman wraps back up in the towel and goes back upstairs.
When she gets to the bathroom, her husband asks, “Who was that?”
“It was Bob the next door neighbor,” she replies.
“Great,” the husband says, “did he say anything about the $800 he owes me?”
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June 18, 2018 8:35am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  At Ellerslie’s Boxing Day races I lent a punting mate $600. True to his word he was at my place at 9 a.m. on 27th December. My wife greeted him at the door and invited him in for coffee.
  “Tauhei told me to give you this” he exclaimed.
  She had a great New Year’s holiday.
  I fumed.
  The old story; what goes on tour, stays on tour.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:53am
  - Longknives
    
    You’re a generous mate! I’ll come hunt you down next time I’m on a losing streak at Ellerslie Tauhei…
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:09am
kowtow

So much for a “liberal Islam”. Out of the millions Germany has they get barely any attendance and need 2 permanent and armed body guards.

So why does Europe take in ever more thousands of them?

“There are 15 chairs in the room. And two men with guns. Bodyguards. This is daily life for Seyran Ates, dailylife in the liberal Ibn Rushd-Goethe Mosque in Berlin. This small Islamic place of worship in Berlin’s Moabit district celebrates its first anniversary on Friday. “A great deal has already happened in the past 12 months,” says Ates. “There really is a need for a mosque like this.”

http://www.dw.com/en/berlins-liberal-mosque-marks-one-year-anniversary/a-44261669
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June 18, 2018 8:39am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Uphill battle. Muslims who want a religious life without the inhumane aspects of islam would be better off converting to another religion or moving into a more individual spirituality.
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:21am
softail 1450

My youngest son has come up with a scenario that would ruin the upcoming photo opportunities and endless woman’s weekly front pages and other BS.
We were having a beer and he pipes up with “hey Dad what if the miracle child comes out black”.
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June 18, 2018 8:41am
- Inandout
  
  Will it be a natural labour, or an induced one? Which one has Winston agreed to?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:03am
Monique Watson

That Hosking is a good bugger:

People before snails.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12072746
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June 18, 2018 8:47am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s long been apparent that there is no limit to the sacrifices that the Greens are prepared to oblige other people to make for the sake of the environment. This is a great example of that hypocrisy.
  
  Let us see the Greens’ proposals for ensuring that the cost of blocking the mine proposal falls only on those who would block it, and then see how many of the protestors are left. If there are any, they will earn my genuine respect.
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:46am
  - namron
    
    Every time I hear that “the snails” are the reason stopping further development to take place I wonder if the Greens consider “the snails” to be more important than the people on the Coast!
    After all, how many people are actually going to miss the snails?
    Most gardeners would be very pleased if they didn’t need to be concerned with the imported English snail in their gardens.
    
    The Greens seem to be so besotted with “the snails” and it makes me wonder are they missing having a few moa wandering around too.
    Throughout Earth’s history, species of many kinds have become extinct for one reason or another or we could all have a brontosaurus or two chomping through the cabbages in our backyards.
    What has happened to common-sense and practicality?
    
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    June 18, 2018 1:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Our giant land snails are pretty cool beasties
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/12860/powelliphanta-life-cycle
      
      Don’t tell Govege… but they are carnivores.. not lettuce munchers.
      Rare Giant Snail Feasts On Earthworm
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNm5M2-LAc
      
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      June 18, 2018 3:58pm
- Tricati
  
  My understanding is the company only want to build an access road across the conservation land, not actually mine on it and the area is low level environmentally.
  When we have Forest & Bird on saying there are alternative options of employment, will at least one MSM Muppet ask for them to give tangible examples.
  
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  June 18, 2018 3:32pm
srylands

I was disappointed with Bridges this morning. Conceding the great value in the forthcoming advice from the climate commission. The commission is just a bunch of advisors. Governments have had no shortage of advice on climate change policy since forever.

Simon sounded like he wanted to be seen as a liberal guy. While not understanding the subject matter at all.
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June 18, 2018 8:48am
- sooty
  
  The 125 talkfeasts aswell.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:54am
- VicParking
  
  I wonder if Bridges brought the letter up before the Shadow Cabinet before he posted it. Did it get 100% sing-off. I would hate to think that he would be hypocritical. Simon please tell us.
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  He is just disappointing, a waste of valuable leadership space.
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:05am
- Komata
  
  Srylands
  
  Simon Who?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:30am
  - Harkman
    
    That’s the problem, the left have parties to the left of Labour that they can migrate to when they’re unhappy with the “reds,” these days National only has parties to the left of them (as Act is dead). New Zealand actually needs a capitalist/libertarian party to keep the rest honest.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:46am
- KevOB
  
  Let them talk that way they are doing nothing.
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:58am
- William of Ockham
  
  Reposted as comment was reported.
  
  Round up the climate scientists! Tens of thousands (all crooked) publishing 60,000 papers a year* (all fake). No wonder rational people think there’s something to it!
  
  Fuck that! We need more science denial and rabid disbelief!
  
  I call for more polling. Find out what “our people” want! What? They want more? At any cost to the environment? What are they, greedy or stupid? Ye gods, both?
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2018/jun/12/how-can-climate-policy-stay-on-top-of-a-growing-mountain-of-data
  
  Kiwiblog: cheerfully corralling climate cranks in a safe space…
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:06am
- Ross12
  
  srylands
  Bridges has also taken away the effectiveness or need for any submissions for or against the Shaw proposal.
  He has guaranteed the bill will pass ( The Climate Commission is an important but small part of the bill if it is as Shaw said it will be, based on the UK Climate Act)
  In my view he has undermined the democratic process by making his announcement at this time.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:51pm
Niz

“Cycling to work has also grown, from 12 to 19 per cent.”
I may have read that article wrong, but I think that says that ~20% of people cycle to work. What sort of bullshit is this?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12072165
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June 18, 2018 8:53am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  When they wrote that 20% of people are cycling on their way to work, the word “cycling” is used in the gynaecological sense of the word.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:57am
- secondcumming
  
  Here’s a helpful guide…….
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df4rx3cX4AIC_r2.jpg
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:03am
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    secondcoming , deep thought processes going on there, eh?
    
    Copies handed out to the kids for distribution at school?
    
    Or are you barren?
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:21am
    - pentwig
      
      another intelligent, nice comment from stupidboy
      sheesh
      LOL
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:30am
      - secondcumming
        
        just ignore the masochist prick….he obviously only comes here to be beaten up 🙂
        
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        June 18, 2018 9:38am
- VicParking
  
  How many people took part in the Survey? What percentage of the people Surveyed were Cyclists?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:05am
  - Niz
    
    The whole article seems to be using stats that are divorced from reality, or twisted in such a way that it makes seem like the city is brimming with cyclists, and most of the rest of us are just dying to cycle everywhere if only there were more cycle ways.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:12am
    - hullkiwi
      
      They are. It is an Auckland Transport cycling survey. I can assure you, as with all Auckland Council and Auckland Transport surveys, they are not testing a survey population scientifically selected. The result is findings that are rubbish e.g. 38% of Aucklanders cycle or 65% are in favour of cycle lanes. Plus you need to know what an occasional cyclist is, that is a person who may get on a bike once or twice a month.
      
      On the basis of these dodgy surveys, they are encouraging council and AT to shower cycling with more money.
      
      Remember, for the movement of people, public safety and eliminating congestion, cycling is the worst investment that can be made along with trams. That is why both scored low in Auckland Transport Regional Public Transport Plan.
      
      It is left wing/liberal numpties, like Wilson who are dim witted enough to believe that this type of virtue signalling really helps the debate about the types of cities we need. It doesn’t. Our problem is NZ does not have enough intelligent strategic thinkers.
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:03am
      - VicParking
        
        38%? Thats 596,000 bikes in Auckland. Bull Shit
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:15pm
      - Niz
        
        It’s probably that 38% _can_ cycle, not _do_ cycle.
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:21pm
    - srylands
      
      The article also says that 3 percent of people own an e-bike. I’d be surprised if it was even one-tenth that number.
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:15am
      - VicParking
        
        That means that there are 47,100 E bikes in Auckland. I don’t believe there are 4,710….
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:13pm
      - Niz
        
        I sometimes think there would be a full time job for somebody to fact check all these claims made by our representatives. Dunno who would pay him though.
        Hmm, we have a science advisor to the PM, who presumably gets paid to report the _actual_ facts about science, so why not another one to report _actual_ facts to us members of the public.
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:29pm
- Duxton
  
  I’ve said it before, here and elsewhere: I would rather have cancer than read anything written by Simon Wilson.
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:46am
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    Duxton, without being funny. Wilson had cancer of the bladder. He was interviewed by Kim (there is no more intelligent a liberal than me and my friends) Hill about it a month ago on Red Radio. It could have been a good interview, but sadly they admired one another so much it was sickening.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:46pm
Niz

“As a parent, I would not want those consequences for my children.”
I may have read that article wrong, but it sounds like somebody is threatening that child. What sort of bullshit is this?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/jacinda-ardern-s-potential-placenta-plan-cultural-appropriation-ng-puhi-leader.amp.html
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June 18, 2018 9:01am
- KevOB
  
  A Ngapuhi elder sees a spiritual threat. To some they are real.
  
  This is a Ngpuhi tribal issue. A Labour MP suggested Ardern bury the placenta at Waitangi and Ngapuhi have kicked back. Feelingz, cultural misappropriation, tapu and tribal mana all in one. An achievement for a B.A. in communications.
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:11am
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    I think I get it. It’s a bit like a Christian telling a rational person that there will be consequences if they don’t convert.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  I really don’t want to hear about the fuss Cindy’s entrails are causing.
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:31am
- Duxton
  
  I actually agree with David Rankin on this. Why should the GAB’s placenta be buried at Waitangi? What makes that child so special?
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:51am
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    I don’t disagree about that. Saying there will be consequences for the child sounds pretty threatening though.
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:59am
    - KevOB
      
      It’s the nature of tapu as perceived by some Maori. The govt’s even paid off taniwha.
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:09pm
    - Duxton
      
      Perhaps David Rankin is simply copying David Parker, David Clark, Shane Jones, Megan Woods and Andrew Little. They are constantly threatening people.
      
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      June 18, 2018 1:17pm
- GoVege
  
  Listen to this guy…”I’ve been getting calls all weekend from “our” people who are furious that “a Pakeha” is appropriating our cultural practices….”
  Firstly, hasn’t he “appropriated” his very name from “Pakehas”?
  The hostility to anybody “Pakeha” doesn’t bode well for race relations.
  As for Nga Puhi’s precious obsession with their heritage.
  I wouldn’t be proud to know my ancestors bought up muskets 180 years ago and took off down country slaughtering countless thousands of innocent men, women and children.
  
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  June 18, 2018 2:24pm
  - KevOB
    
    The Boyd massacre was right at home.
    Ngapuhi still have some distinctly warrior genes. Was their origin different from other tribes?
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:47pm
VicParking

Fake News on Red Radio: “Nicky Hagar Investigative Journalist”
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June 18, 2018 9:02am
Longknives

I arrived a bit early to pick up my kid from Kindergarten the other day, Got to listen in on a rather staggering ‘Matariki’ speech from the Teacher-

“To other people around the World stars are just pretty things that glow in the sky- But to Maori they were special. Maori used them as maps and guides and even gave each Star a name..”

They start the brainwashing young these days! Is it any wonder I have zero respect for Schoolteachers when they teach our kids such blatantly Politically driven bullshit?..
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June 18, 2018 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
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  Longknives,
  
  “I have zero respect for Schoolteachers ..”
  
  Who cares out there in the real world other than forty or s alt right crackpots here on Kiwiblog!
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:13am
  - Ross12
    
    If that is what you think of posters on KB stephieboy what does that make you out to be, if you keep reading the blog and make 23.5k+ posts ?
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:23am
  - pentwig
    
    certainly no one cares about alt left trolls
    
    LOL
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  But the teachers want more money , the nurses want more money, so how much is being spent on matarik?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:13am
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    Inandout , whingebag!
    
    That should be Matariki.
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:17am
    - Inandout
      
      Matarik means ‘steep’, like the amount of money being spent on this shit.
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:46am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Never mind, it will be the Filipinos who will have to clean up our shit.
        
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        June 18, 2018 9:48am
      - backster
        
        Rates as well as taxes..
        
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        June 18, 2018 11:02am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, not very nice of you coming from a mouldy oldie.
        
        http://witandwisdomofanengineer.blogspot.com/2015/04/build-more-nursing-homes.html
        
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        June 18, 2018 12:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        I’ll break it down slowly for you:
        1. matarik is Tagalog for steep
        
        2. Tagalog is one of the common languages of the Phillipines
        
        3. Filipino nurses are a mainstay of NZ’s health and aged-care workforce.
        http://nursingreview.co.nz/filipino-nurses-our-fastest-growing-nursing-workforce/
        
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        June 18, 2018 4:59pm
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy,fucking idiot
      
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      June 18, 2018 9:54am
- srylands
  
  I’m pretty sure that other civilisations gave the stars names. And one dude even figured out the sun was a star and the earth orbited it.
  
  I confess that I had never heard of matariki until a few months ago. Why had it become the new thing,,?
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:26am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s not pakeha so why should it be forced fed to us? The Treaty does not require us to become psuedo Maori.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:17am
  - rangitoto
    
    That poor dude was burned at the stake.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:21pm
  - sam green
    
    Didn’t you say the same thing last year srylands?
    
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    June 18, 2018 9:11pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  That’s a racist outrage by that teacher, LK! I hope you made a complaint?
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:26am
  - Longknives
    
    She is actually a very pleasant lady- I guess that’s what they are ordered by the Ministry of Education to teach the kids..
    I did light-heartedly ask her in passing if the kids were going to “learn about Copernicus and Galileo next week?”..
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:37am
    - Pharmachick
      
      At Chichen Itza in Mexico there are the remains of what is purported to be a pre-copernican telescope built by the Mayans. I’ve seen it, sure looks like a ‘scope. Point being that the teacher prolly needs a few lessons in history herself. Only putting across the Maori version is simplistic, but prolly necessary for the littlies – maybe it would be better to mention that LOTS of other cultures looked at the stars, but Maori are particularly important to NZ (oh yes, and the Portuguese navigators ?!).
      
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      June 18, 2018 1:01pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Lk- did she know who you were talking about?
      
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      June 18, 2018 8:51pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Odds on this matakiki bollocks was invented by an white anaemic bearded cardigan/sandle wearing pseudo-academic – who probably works at Te Papa care of the long suffering tax payer, who jealously looked at other cultures around the world and stole the idea to try and give his area of speciality more credit that it deserves.
  
  Probably the same idiot who decided that accents were needed to make a language look more sophisticated than it will ever be.
  
  My bet is the next one to be forced on us will be the traditional maori “day of the dead”.
  
  If maori want to do something to celebrate something that has only recently been invented, then fine, but can we please stop spending any more tax money on this yawn-fest.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Confirming the thought
  Teaching has moved, over the past 30 years, from a respected profession, to the best paid part time job in New Zealand.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:54pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Thats harsh. There are a lot of hard working, committed teachers out there.
    
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    June 18, 2018 1:02pm
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      Who are being stifled by lazy unionised ones.
      
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      June 18, 2018 1:07pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
From William of Ockham first off the starting block this morning

“..Kiwiblog: cheerfully corralling climate cranks in a safe space…”

Never truer words posted.
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June 18, 2018 9:10am
- KiWombat
  
  Already dead and buried !
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And now resurfaced so let’s bury the idiot again.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:45am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And we have. Well done!
      
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      June 18, 2018 11:14am
- KevOB
  
  Are overtly greenish types not cranky too in their own ways?
  
  Time will tell. If the UN has put political control above maintaining life and it gets substantially colder for the long term and cheap sources of fuel have been terminated there will be fewer people to worry about it. Dying warm is more pleasant than dying hungry and cold.
  
  Who knows the future with the degree of certainty required to shut down energy supplies?
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:23am
Monique Watson

And Russia is a trollin’, Border grab imminent.
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June 18, 2018 9:13am
secondcumming

Farrrrrrrk…..*Kim* sounds serious 🙁

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1007363117041324032
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June 18, 2018 9:23am
- softail 1450
  
  secondcomming, i figured you must be talking about the other fat fuck in noko, not NZ’s own fat fuck.
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:03am
- G152
  
  He’s going to sit on whoever then ?
  Time the fat felon fornicated off to the US
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:16am
stinkypete

a sleeping pill in web page format, hager now on the tax payers dime boring us all

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/359812/akl-lawyer-linked-to-suspect-companies-was-subject-to-guernsey-ban
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June 18, 2018 9:27am
- jcuk
  
  I took it that at last he had something of substance to talk about?
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:13am
waikatogirl

The Indian sports reporter on the TV3 panel this morning says Cindy’s hairdresser told her Cindy has booked in to have her hair done. Cindy and Clarkey presumably presenting her baby to the world through a photo op.
I guess a photo spread is inevitable when you are PM and superwoman rolled into one. //
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June 18, 2018 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  And also on TV3 we had a rather old male radio presenter with a big black Spock-like wig.
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:49am
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    Yes, he is rather unfortunate. A face made for radio. ?
    He does have a great voice for radio though.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:10am
- ztev
  
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  Well first they will have to kick off someone else
  from the front pages who has been displaying his/her fecundity
  
  https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/parenting/parenting-news/national-party-leader-simon-bridges-introduces-his-newborn-daughter-36756
  but wait theres more…
  https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/parenting/family/at-home-with-new-national-party-leader-simon-bridges-and-his-family-36832
  
  Even pictures of a little boy standing by a tree in Te Atatu…sigh…
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:51am
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    That photo was taken months and months ago. Simon in hardly courting photo ops like a certain PM who is never out of the mags.
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:12am
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      But but …there was a baby…. a young family…a little boy in burbs….
      
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      June 18, 2018 10:23am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        ztev – where bitter and twisted collide…
        
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        June 18, 2018 11:28am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Is she demanding payment for it?
      or
      is she just angling for votes, to gather back the “popularity” she is losing due to her completely incompetent JOB performance.
      
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      June 18, 2018 12:57pm
- kevn
  
  @WG… To the minute per inducement? Baby comes second.
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:35am
- peterwn
  
  The hairdresser needs a decent kick in the behind for discussing clients’ private affairs in this way. Hopefully a DPS cop will have a chat with the hairdresser about this.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:30pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Ardern would NEVER have told the hairdresser, if she didn’t want it repeated.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:58pm
Rich Prick

The media have gone awfully quiet on David Clark’s shocking voicemail message. Is he about to join Clare Curran, Kelvin Davis, Andrew Little, Andrew Little, Megan Woods, Phil Twyford Carmel Sepuloni and Nanaia Mahuta as a political liability? If so, is Labour’s “B” team ready?
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June 18, 2018 9:45am
- ztev
  
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  Calls made back in April when this was all ‘an issue’
  
  The Commercial construction contracts barrister was sacked from his health part time chair role ages ago….. but old news works if you are high school dropout Rogers
  
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  June 18, 2018 9:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Could you bash at your keyboard any harder?
    
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    June 18, 2018 10:05am
  - VicParking
    
    Troll of the Day fresh from 160–162 Willis St.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:04pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    April??? ages????
    It is a matter of a few weeks ago.
    I know with labour, waiting for them to do something
    honest
    competent
    seems like an age.
    
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    June 18, 2018 1:01pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Well the witless protection program is getting a little crowded.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:59pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    So crowded, that soon they’ll have a quorum for a cabinet meeting.
    
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    June 18, 2018 4:54pm
Chuck Bird

The judge says mother ‘reprehensible’ in case of ‘missing’ girl found in NZ but the reprehensible judge ignores the Hague convention and allows this woman who does not appear to be an NZ citizen to stay in NZ and have custody. Does anyone think this would have happened if the father had abducted the child?

Tug of love: Judge says mother ‘reprehensible’ in case of ‘missing’ girl found in NZ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12072053
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- ztev
  
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  having the child ‘settled’ is a defence to having the child returned to custody parent.
  
  “Fourth Defense: The Child is Well-Settled in the New Environment
  
  The child must be returned unless it is demonstrated that the child is now settled in its new environment. Hague Abduction Convention, Article 12. A court is not bound to order the return of a child if the respondent demonstrates by a preponderance of the evidence that (a) the proceedings were commenced more than one year after the date of the wrongful removal or retention, and (b) the child is now settled in its new environment….
  
  Do you ever check …you know facts CB?
  https://www.carltonfields.com/defenses-to-international-child-abduction-under-the-hague-abduction-convention-12-29-2011/
  
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  June 18, 2018 10:29am
  - sooty
    
    She should not be on any benefit.
    
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    June 18, 2018 11:54am
  - peterwn
    
    Do not know why ztev has been downticked so heavily. He is quite right and the Judge has interpreted the Hague Convention quite correctly. The Judge will have explained this in his judgment (which has yet to surface on the Justice web site).
    Presumably the mother has immigration status to be in NZ and as such may access the appropriate benefits.
    Unfortunately these cases can get very twisted and convoluted and have exercised the minds of judges in the highest courts.
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:24pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Do not know why ztev has been downticked so heavily.”
      
      Because he’s ztev, that’s why.
      
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      June 18, 2018 2:24pm
      - sooty
        
        Should be thankful he’s not reported more often.
        
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        June 18, 2018 8:11pm
      - sam green
        
        Because you must tell on people telling the truth on kiwiblog aye.
        
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        June 18, 2018 9:17pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Peter, ztev has done what ztev is good at, given only half the facts.
      1. In the European home country, the courts granted custody to the father, because the mother has a hatered to the child’s father that could not be explained and was held to be not conducive to the girl receiving a balanced upbringing;
      2. The mother absconded with the daughter, nobody had knowledge where to;
      3. The mother lied to immigration authorities when settling here, so much So, INZ were ordered mother and daughter to be deported;
      4. Mother & daughter were only found after being recognised because of a viral internet campaign. This was 2 years after they had arrived here;
      5. Both the district court & high court have found in favour of the mother on the grounds the child is now settled here and sees herself as a Kiwi;
      6. In order for the father to see his daughter, he is now migrating to NZ. However, experts are concerned what relationship the father will have his daughter, because they fear the mother will have infected the daughter with her hatered of the father.
      
      The case calls into question the Hague convention, as not fit for purpose. It did not protect the child and it did not afford any protection to the father. Seriously, if it had been the father who absconded with the daughter, would they have reached the same decisions?
      
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      June 18, 2018 5:13pm
Odakyu-sen

Two people were injured in a town in southern France when a woman shouting “Allahu akbar” (God is greatest) …

From a translator’s perspective, “Allahu akbar” should be translated as “our god is greatest.”
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June 18, 2018 10:23am
kevn

@RP… They have turns at posting so prolifically. Net research/posting/trolling. Going against the leftwing slanted (slowly awakening) msmedia commentary even.
Good smart alecky twyford impersonations though.
Red ticking to oblivion. ha
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June 18, 2018 10:25am
Manolo

AGW is as real as Islam is peaceful, claims our own stephieboy.
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June 18, 2018 10:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , crackpot!. Simon strongly begs to differ. The science of climate change is incontrovertible ,
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/supporting-climate-change-commission-right-thing-do-national-leader-simon-bridges
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:29pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Upticked you by mistake sb. So very sorry!
    
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    June 18, 2018 12:36pm
    - stigie
      
      3 hail marys WG and report to the cardinal immediately !~
      
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      June 18, 2018 2:45pm
Rich Prick

Cindy said there would be no strikes.

Labour’s made big promises to the unions, raising expectations so much that we’re seeing more industrial action than we have in decades, including from bus drivers to port workers and now potentially vast chunks of the core public service.
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June 18, 2018 10:59am
- sooty
  
  Liar, Liar, pants on fire!
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:52am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Rich Prick, unfair! Contracts expired last year which the PM is not responsible.
  
  Please accentuate the positive. Baby due any moment!. Be patient with your high expectations.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:39pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So, how many contract negotiation rounds, were their under 9 years of National and how many strikes were there?
    
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    June 18, 2018 1:04pm
    - Colville
      
      Nurses and midwives are striking
      
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      June 18, 2018 1:09pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Followed closely by teachers.
        
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        June 18, 2018 9:00pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Your comprehension skills are pretty low rent. Try breaking the paragraphs down into sentences and then the sentences into words. From there, see if you can figure out what was said. Don’t try to imagine what was said, that’ll put you wrong every time.
    
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    June 18, 2018 1:17pm
Manolo

How long will Mamma Merkel last?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5853901/Angela-Merkel-seeks-emergency-talks-EU-leaders-immigration-amid-Government-crisis.html

Angela Merkel is seeking emergency talks with EU leaders as her Government is teetering on the verge of collapse in a row about immigration.

Her Coalition partners the Christian Social Union are threatening to defy the German Chancellor and unilaterally expel migrants who have been registered in other European countries from the country tomorrow.
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June 18, 2018 11:10am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Just a few words for Ms Merkel
  
  “TOLD YA SO”
  
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  June 18, 2018 1:46pm
VicParking

The failing Newspaper is at it again. It’s headline “Switzerland clocked for ‘ugly’ football as Brazil star Neymar crashes” is sensational crap. If their reporters had watched the game they would have seen and been told by the commentators that Neymar spent the whole game trying to draw fouls from the Swiss. This is something he is very good at. If he had spent as much time trying to play as a “teammate” to the other Brazilian players they might have won.
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June 18, 2018 11:27am
Monique Watson

I killed the moles. A bit of nail enamel down the hole. Little fuckers won’t burrow again. For a few days. Just gotta keep the gates shut to keep the deer out.
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June 18, 2018 11:33am
- Longknives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4
  
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  June 18, 2018 11:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Monique Watson, feedback please about sniffing/ snorting the stuff?
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:48pm
  - starboard
    
    “fap fap fap squark squark ark ark” goes the shariaboy..
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:33pm
VicParking

Democratic politicians are raging about the unaccompanied minors crossing the Border by calling them “Torn away from their parents” They and New Zealand’s MSM are quiet about the fact that the policy on minors was Obama’s.
“According to data from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency, nearly 70,000 unaccompanied minors crossed the southern border in fiscal year (FY) 2014—the period between October 1, 2013, to September 30, 2014.” Obama kept this fact very quiet.
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June 18, 2018 11:59am
- kowtow
  
  It’s all in the media presentation.
  
  I see it’s Europes’ fault now that illegal immigrants are piling up and being “abused” in Libya.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Now that you know the policy was Obama’s, shouldn’t you be in favour of changing it? Or do you want to use Trump’s excuse that the Republicans, despited being in control of all branches of the government, can’t change the law, or even how it is enforced?
  
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  June 18, 2018 1:48pm
  - ztev
    
    Obamas policy was for minors who arrived without any parents.
    These kids are arriving with a parent
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:37pm
    - VicParking
      
      Bull crap. The House’s “compromise” immigration bill doesn’t ban family separation — it just allows kids to be detained like adults. Those removed were because they were with one parent who had an arrest warrant against them
      
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      June 18, 2018 3:11pm
Monique Watson

Gophers eat the roots of your trees you’ve been nurturing. Which sucks if you’ve been incubating them for several years. Moles just fuck up your lawn a little. And Deer? They eat fuckin’ everything. Either way I have too many kids and too large a garden. But I’m up for it.
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June 18, 2018 12:05pm
tedbear

I heard Ardern on a RNZ Morning Report recording say “nothing is a done deal until it’s gone to Cabinet” and “We negotiate absolutely everything we do as a government.”
So from that, I take it that the announcement on ending Oil and Gas exploration in Taranaki isn’t a done deal as it hasn’t been taken to Cabinet.
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June 18, 2018 12:18pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Why does the ditz insist on adding “absolutely” to every sentence? It makes her sound pretty insincere.
  
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  June 18, 2018 12:32pm
  - Poppa
    
    It grates on me that is for sure
    
    It just makes her feel important I guess. Feels are important when you are the world’s leading PM
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:16pm
  - Komata
    
    RP
    
    ‘Absolutely’ insincere in fact…
    
    (Just saying)
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:22pm
- ztev
  
  It went through cabinet.
  We have even all seen the cabinet minute or decision note that says so.
  Just they didnt bother with the pre cabinet discussion groups. hehehehe
  
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  June 18, 2018 2:39pm
  - stigie
    
    And i suppose you will tell us next that they consulted with the Oil and Gas Industry ztrev..?
    Fucking economic vandalism is what it is for this one term government !~
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:53pm
    - KevOB
      
      economic vandalism
      Criminal economic vandalism without a mandate.
      
      Cabinet cannot give a mandate that’s up to the electors.
      
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      June 18, 2018 3:06pm
  - KevOB
    
    So good of Cabinet to pass a resolution afterwards confirming the dissolution of Taranaki in support of the unwed Empress mother to be.
    That will be gratifying when she goes through her red boxes confirming also the irrelevancy of the the farmers also affected now that greens are encouraging cow dismemberment.
    Further up for consideration is an enhanced Hindu immigration quota in support of our veganistas.
    
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    June 18, 2018 3:04pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Please show us the Cabinet minute where Cabinet AGREED to a decision.
    All we have seen is where they NOTED the Minister’s intention. That is not a Cabinet DECISION.
    
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    June 18, 2018 6:42pm
- VicParking
  
  Lying little school girl soon to become and unmarried mother
  
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  June 18, 2018 3:13pm
stephieboy

Melania, in big, big trouble with her boss!

“US child migrants: Melania calls for end to Trump’s separation policy”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44515123
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June 18, 2018 12:32pm
- rangitoto
  
  “Melania calls for end to Democrats separation policy”
  
  Fixed.
  
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  June 18, 2018 2:39pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yup, it is Obama’s policy. A few days ago, the Dems were tweeting photos of illegal immigrant kids in cages but it turned out the photos were from 2014 under Obama…lol
    
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/28/illegal-immigrants-cages-photo-2014-enrages-libera/
    
    A Dem even went on CNN to say that the Obama admin tried to keep it quiet.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxQakCUG_CM
    
    It was Obama’s Secretary of Homeland Security who said the policy of family detention was “an effective deterrent”.
    
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180525165547/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/us/homeland-security-chief-opens-largest-immigration-detention-center-in-us.html
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:51pm
- Fletch
  
  She doesn’t say that actually, if you read it. She has compassion for families separated but she isn’t contradicting her husband or his policies.
  
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  June 18, 2018 2:40pm
Odakyu-sen

Earthquake magnitude 5.9 hit Osaka this morning at 7:58 (Japan Time) (10:58 NZ time).
NHK is reporting that all “lifelines” are still in place (“Lifelines” is a Japanese term meaning important infrastructure that include roads, railways and utilities.)
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June 18, 2018 1:17pm
- MrTips
  
  I hope to God it isn’t a foreshock Odakyu.
  
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  June 18, 2018 2:22pm
  - ztev
    
    Japan has shakes all the time, its superfluous to call them fore shocks or after shocks.
    As the song went – Theres a whole lot of shaking going on
    
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    June 18, 2018 2:41pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is a severe shake – 6.1 – at least 3 dead, numerous injuries, buildings collapsed.
      https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/975645/Osaka-Japan-earthquake-magnitude-5-9-earthquake-warning-natural-disaster-southern-Japan
      
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      June 18, 2018 3:05pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        According to the 1:00 p.m. (Japan Time) NHK News, the 80-year-old guy was killed by a concrete block wall (around the boundary of a private dwelling) which fell out onto the sidewalk as he was walking past. The traditional-style block wall did not have reinforcing rods in it.
        Similarly the 9-year-old girl was on her way to school (at 7:48 a.m.) when the top half of a concrete-block wall next to the sidewalk fell on her. (The wall appeared to have been built on the top of an older wall, and was not joined internally by reinforcing rods to the base wall, so it simply fell over.)
        A third unlucky person (a pensioner) was crushed by a heavy bookcase that fell over in their 6th-floor apartment. (And there are plenty of ads on public TV telling people to secure their bookcases in case of earthquakes, but a lot of people don’t.)
        
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        June 18, 2018 4:53pm
MrTips

So the nurses and midwives want more.
Easy got:

“Well Ms. Ardern, I know it hurts like hell, but unless you sign here, you ain’t getting no pain relief and you ain’t having no baby anytime soon….”
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June 18, 2018 2:21pm
starboard

I feel this is worth re-posting from yesterday

Time to fight back boys and girls..

“Submit against Ngati Porou coastal bill
For those following the long-running shambles to do with tribal claims for the coast, Friday is the deadline for submissions on the Nga Rohe Moana o Nga Hapu o Ngati Porou Bill (No. 2), which gives effect to a deed of agreement between Ngati Porou and the Crown for around 200 km of the East Coast coastline north of Gisborne.

Ngati Porou had reached an agreement on the coastal area in 2008 under Labour’s Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004, but that Act was replaced by National’s Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011, and Ngati Porou did not lodge a claim under that Act within the time period despite having six years to do so.

Until seven years ago, the whole coastal marine area, from the mean high-water springs mark out 12 nautical miles, was vested in the Crown on behalf of all New Zealanders, with everyone having free access.

But under the 2011 Act, those seeking recognition of protected customary rights or customary marine title were enabled to make a claim for that area subject to providing evidence that they had used the area continuously and ‘exclusively’ since 1840 and that they owned the land bordering their claim. This either had to be proven in the High Court or negotiated with the Minister.

Photos of stage coaches driving along the beaches, in the sea, and on tracks around promontories, show that the coast along the area claimed by Ngati Porou was the main path for walkers and coaches from 1840 until the Second World War. Use of the area by travellers disprove claims of exclusive use and should disqualify the Ngati Porou claim for that coastal area.

It appears that Labour’s Michael Cullen negotiated a deal with Ngati Porou and National renegotiated that deal recognising new privileges, even though the validity of Ngati Porou’s claim had never been verified and tested in the High Court.

This bill at least should be opposed on the basis that everyone else had six years in which to lodge their claim – plenty of time for Ngati Porou to comply. A two-year extension is unacceptable, especially as it will delay all other claims that overlap the area.”

To make a submission, go to https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-submission/document/52SCMA_SCF_BILL_78009/ng%C4%81-rohe-moana-o-ng%C4%81-hap%C5%AB-o-ng%C4%81ti-porou-bill-no-2 , click on “I am not a robot”, press “I am ready to make a submission”, and follow the prompts.
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June 18, 2018 2:30pm
Jack5

American novelist Lionel Shriver takes on the diversity divas with a Spectator column about a drive for diversity by the publisher Penguin. The response in the media, including the BBC and the Guardian has been interesting.

Shriver writes of diversity – word and concept – in the Spectator:

“It serves a strict, narrow agenda that has little or nothing to do with the productive dynamism of living and working alongside people with widely different upbringings and beliefs.”

And she also writes…

“Drunk on virtue, Penguin Random House no longer regards the company’s raison d’être as the acquisition and dissemination of good books. Rather, the organisation aims to mirror the percentages of minorities in the UK population with statistical precision. Thus from now until 2025, literary excellence will be secondary to ticking all those ethnicity, gender, disability, sexual preference and crap-education boxes. “

The column:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/when-diversity-means-uniformity/
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June 18, 2018 3:00pm
noskire

The PM’s birth has been announced
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June 18, 2018 3:44pm
- noskire
  
  Sorry all, that was a bit off colour.
  
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  June 18, 2018 6:18pm
Monique Watson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMNhmM9fbs8

Always hold ’em upside down. Make sure they’re breathing and watch out for the crap.
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June 18, 2018 4:25pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Doctors slap the baby on the arse.
  Makes the dicks fall off the silly ones
  
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  June 18, 2018 7:10pm
  - Brigitte
    
    That’s not nice calling male doctors silly.
    
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    June 18, 2018 7:38pm
noskire

Peters is getting thumped in the post-Cabinet press conference. They are all attacking him and he walked out.
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June 18, 2018 4:27pm
- stigie
  
  Will Peters hold everyone together including the Press..?
  Im cooking popcorn as we speak !~
  
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  June 18, 2018 4:35pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well he’s fucked if he keeps on praising Nicky Hager and saying that he shouldn’t have been put through what he had to endure. Peters and Hagar are germs and play NZ’ers for all its worth. I think the voter will punish Peters even more now because all he could produce today was a blame game to try and stop strike action.
    
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    June 18, 2018 6:47pm
  - sooty
    
    Man, that’s going to go down well! Communist Girl is going to be spitting out babies! Just as well Whinney has plenty of blank pages. I wonder if he has there resiqination letters all filled out for Labour and the Greens and just need signing.
    
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    June 18, 2018 8:00pm
- waikatogirl
  
  No mention on TV1 news of Peters walking out, just a passing comment that Peters has a fractious relationship with Parliamentary media, and that he really is trying to continue meeting weekly with the media while Cindy is away.
  
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  June 18, 2018 6:33pm
- Piniwi
  
  Crazy noskire when they follow it up with puff pieces of the old drunk and the SLG to keep them in the public eye.
  
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  June 19, 2018 2:42am
Monique Watson

They’re all on the walk-out. Even Peters is no match. But I suspect there will be two Green bodies and one Labour down overnight.
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June 18, 2018 4:35pm
freemark

Saw an article https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/104809496/inland-revenue-apologises-to-frustrated-taxpayers
I was a bit surprised by the tweeters – I reckon it’s a total set-up bullshit media hit job on IRD in support of Union pay claims.
Very dishonest lefty narratives thick and fast.
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June 18, 2018 5:07pm
- ex-golfer
  
  A complete and utter beat-up.
  IRD’s online system is the easiest thing to use.
  And if you do need to ring its pretty dumb to do it on a Monday morning – which will always be the busiest time of the week.
  Call at 9am on a Sat morning and you’ll get straight through!
  
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  June 18, 2018 6:48pm
Monique Watson

Where are my tacos?
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June 18, 2018 5:37pm
- waikatogirl
  
  The gophers ate them! ?
  
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  June 18, 2018 6:35pm
VicParking

Prime TV: Fake News “Melania Trump criticises Trumps policy” Don’t they read what she said?
It’s was policy put in place by Obama! Only children separated from their parents are those with one parent were he/she had an arrest warrant against them…
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June 18, 2018 5:43pm
ex-golfer

Nurse Organisation rep on the radio with HDPA:

HDPA: So you’ve rejected a 9% increase over three years. What DO you want?
Rep: We don’t know. We are surveying our members.

What the actual fuck?
How the hell can you negotiate in good faith when you don’t even know what you want?
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June 18, 2018 6:45pm
- sooty
  
  Hay, the feelz. We don’t know, care. But we want the feelz. Maybe they should have gone and got groped at the sex camp. Plenty if feelz there, no matter your orientation in the alphabet soup.
  
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  June 18, 2018 7:52pm
- thedavincimode
  
  How the hell can you negotiate in good faith when you don’t even know what you want?
  
  porcelain chops found it easy – she just let the dwarf tell her what she wanted.
  
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  June 18, 2018 8:26pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right thedavincimode then he set it all down in his 38 page agreement of how it would be delivered shocking the silly little girl so much she made a secret.
    
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    June 19, 2018 2:47am
wreck1080

Can someone please please make a givealittle fund to contribute to Bobs Jones legal costs against the wannabe filmmaker.

Not that Jones needs the money, but it could be a way for one to fight for free speech.

And, it would be hilarious to see Bob Jones get more support than the filmmaker.
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June 18, 2018 8:25pm
Hugh Pavletich

INFRASTRUCTURE NEW ZEALAND 42 MEMBER DELEGATION TO SELECTED UNITED STATES METROS …

Enabling City Growth: Lessons from the USA (pdf) … Infrastructure New Zealand

https://infrastructure.org.nz/resources/Documents/Reports/Infrastructure%20NZ%20USA%20Report.pdf
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… Wellington Presentation Event … WED 27 JUNE 2018

Infrastructure New Zealand – WELLINGTON – WED 27 JUNE 2018 EVENT: Lessons from the USA – Planning, Funding and Enabling City Growth

https://infrastructure.org.nz/event-2932846

Infrastructure New Zealand – Home

https://infrastructure.org.nz/
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