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duggledog

D: Trump on KJU: ‘He trusts me, I trust him, he said no other President could do this’

They may well have bonded, because they are both outsiders, and are hated by everyone but their own people.

I bet Kim thinks Don is The Man. I bet he thought Obama was a phoney. I bet he’s sick to death of being Xi’s pain-in-the-ass dog. And I bet he’s bored shitless with still being the fat kid that got teased in Switzerland. Being the laughing stock.

Don sagely points out NK’s beautiful beaches and its position in between South Korea and China ‘who wouldn’t want that?’

Now, everyone’s skeptical about the summit (predictably, RNZ Morning Report Wednesday ‘The optics are good, but…’) however, human culture changes, sometimes for the better, sometimes very quickly.

The US can show the Norks the way to prosperity, and, because Koreans do as they are told they can turn on a dime. Remember the US forcing the Japs to chuck all their swords in a pile? Into ploughshares, off they went. Who owns a Japanese car? I do

Maybe the Chicoms are going to be feeling a wee bit anxious right now.

Trump snuck in and charmed their dog – it didn’t even bite.

Are the disreputable Chinks are on their way to being neutered?

Of course that’s what Trump’s admin is all about.

Where’s that Nobel Peace Prize?
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June 17, 2018 8:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  LOL at ‘Koreans do as they are told’.
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  KJU is probably none too popular in the NK gulags and by the millions of starving peasants growing food for the army that keeps the Kims in power.
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:39am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    True, but one step at a time. First: denuclearize. Second/third etc hopefully help Korea reunite and NK modernize. Fourth: prosecute Kim? Probably not. There has probably been a deal, and working with this creep is the only way to make peace with NK and open up.
    
    Consider that we even sell food to Saudi Arabia, which doesn’t even represent the threat the NK does. I began listing that country’s crimes, but come on, you know what they do.
    
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    June 17, 2018 3:32pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  duggledog – you are on the money there!
  
  Trump is the Nobel committee’s worst nightmare, in 18 months he achieved more in the Korean peninsula than Clinton and Obama did in 16 years.
  
  The Nobel committee will have weighing up failed EU leaders to reward them for the muslim invasion of Europe, and now they have a conundrum – a paradigm changing leader who appears to have ended the need for the DMZ?
  
  But of course, the alt-Left, virtue-signallers on the N committee have got problems of their own with (like all libtards) sexual abuse problems aplenty to cover-up.
  
  And they can hardly reach out and give a nomination to big-charity for white saviour racism in third world countries, with the revelations this year that all the heroes of the UN aid agencies are involved so they can indulge in aid-sex tourism or child abuse with food-for-sex scandals all over the place.
  
  I suspect that the Nobel committee will resort to not awarding the Peace prize this year at all rather than give it to Trump.
  
  If you live long enough you get to see everything turn on it’s head and the good guys become evil.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:01am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “everything turn on it’s head and the good guys become evil.” Case in point, the so-called AntiFa. Running around with face masks, attacking peaceful protesters, breaking shop windows, throwing molotov cocktails. Fascists calling themselves ‘AntiFa’.
    
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    June 17, 2018 3:36pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Heather du Plessis-Allan: Kelvin Davis has a target on his back

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12071326
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June 17, 2018 8:01am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Firstly, Kelvin did not score big hits against National in Corrections. The PR arm of the Labour party (ie the MSM) scored the hits with a disgraceful and dishonest fake news campaign.
  
  Secondly, Kelvin was never a star. He was always a school principal (a position that is characterised by weak grown-ups who seek refuge in pseudo-leadership positions in a context dominated by humans much shorter and much younger than you, because principals would never rise to such giddy heights or have such absolute power in any other work context).
  
  Kelvin was always politically unimaginative and uninspiring in his performances. Without a fascist Corrections union playing Dirty Politics to avoid the inevitable loss of power that external competition would bring to their monopoly in prisons – Kelvin was nothing.
  
  Kelvin is a walking talking example of how evil the racism of diversity is, he is in his role for no other reason other than virtue-signalling tokenism. And he is now suffering full-on anxiety attacks because he just doesn’t have the goods. Kelvin’s role should have been a mediocre performing bank-bencher as befits his skills.
  
  But the evil of diversity politics means that Labour have to have a native in a co-penis role. And the poor bastard is forced into positions that are way beyond his capabilities. He illustrates perfectly how awful diversity policies are for all concerned.
  
  His self-confidence has utterly gone, he’s going to need years of counselling or medication to get on top of this. He’s trapped by the party now and they are going to continue to sit by and watch him self-destruct. There is no way out for him.
  
  He should have our sympathy. The evil of identity politics broke Kelvin.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:14am
  - holysheet
    
    Kelvin been sat at the bar for three hours now, trying to figure out why his sister has four brothers, whilst he only has three.
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:35am
    - ztev
      
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      Thats nothing… the whole national party happily thought a Hataitai public servant was a Southland Farmer
      Helen Clark grew up on a farm too… she never claimed that meant she was a’dairy farmer everafter’
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:23am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Helen Clarke acknowledging she had links to dairy farming?? Are you mad? How would that have gone down at the UN?
        Mr English, on the other hand, was clear and comfortable about his farming background, his wife and family – without the pretence of “getting married” to appease the conservative Labour voters of the 1970’s.
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:33am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Let it go ztev. I know how gutted you must have been when Sir William was given a gong by Jacinda, but he’s gone from politics now, so you no longer have to tell lies about him.
        
        And if you can’t let it go, seek professional help. I’ve had some pretty intensive counselling over the last eight months to help me deal with unresolved issues, and it’s worked a treat.
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Pleased to hear you got help, Keeping Stock. Will you compulsive hypocrisy go away now?
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:49pm
      - waldonz
        
        Zit Git – Spin spin spin. That’s all you ever do. You should play for the Black Caps. You would be the best spinner ever.
        
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        June 17, 2018 1:34pm
AgainstTheFlow

The People’s Front of Judea is arguing with the Judaen Peoples Front…..splitters!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/104653982/vegans-and-vegetarians-face-off-as-national-faction-severs
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June 17, 2018 8:02am
- Nostradamus
  
  “The word ‘vegan’ excludes vegetarians, whereas the word ‘vegetarian’ includes vegans.”
  
  Broccoli fight!
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:11am
  - sooty
    
    Verses brussel sprouts!
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:57am
EAD_TWO

In this insane world of Globalism where anyone can be from anywhere (I’ve actually heard people argue the equivalent of a mouse being born in a stable is somehow a horse), I’m supporting countries in the World Cup where the Soccer team represents the ancient nation of people whose banner it flies under.

I am supporting the South Korea’s, Nigeria’s etc. of this world as opposed the the mystery meats of France, England and Germany where the players are from all parts of Africa and Arabia + nation itself.

As I’m European, Croatia and Iceland will be my ethnostates of choice for the next month.
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June 17, 2018 8:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s true – if Hitler-loving fascists won’t stand up for the white man, who will?
  Don’t you think the Croats are a bit too untermensch to count as true white men though? I know the Nazis let them play on their side, but Slavs were always going to be in a strictly subordinate (enslaved or dead) role in Generalplan Ost.
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:40am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It’s funny seeing all these “plans” and “secrets” (which were never enacted or actually witnessed), come to light in the decades post WWII.
    
    The best one I heard was about the secret Nazi base on Antarctica❗
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/secret-nazi-military-base-russian-scientists-alexandra-land-a7373401.html
    
    The only plan the MSM never seems to talk about (and was actually true and acted on en masse) was the Haavara Agreement for some strange reason.
    
    I wonder why.
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO, according to your link that’s the Arctic! Understand the distinction?
      
      LOL
      
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      June 17, 2018 9:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Good spotting, stephieboy.
        
        It was part of the German WW2 weather station network.
        https://www.livescience.com/56764-secret-german-world-war-ii-base-rediscovered.html
        
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        June 17, 2018 10:01am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I believe an automated WWII German weather station was found in Newfoundland not too many years ago, too.
        David Howarth wrote a good book about the ‘weather war’.
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:47pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        At least for once here we stand, KB and trolls, united against EADOLF!
        
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        June 17, 2018 3:41pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    What a puerile comment. WW2 ended over 60 years ago Milkie. How about you counter 2018 problems with 2018 solutions.
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:54am
    - itstricky
      
      Tell that to EAD (TWO)
      
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      June 17, 2018 9:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hey – I’m not the ‘modern National Socialist’ with the more sophisticated solutions to all these racial problems than the ‘cartoonish’ WWII Nazis.
      But I’d be fascinated to hear your ‘2018 solutions’ to EADolf’s problem of football teams having too many blacks in them.
      
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      June 17, 2018 9:52am
      - itstricky
        
        Seems like he’s OK with too many of The Blacks in the teams. He’s not OK with The Blacks who get beyond their station and have the impertinence to travel to teams somewhere else in the world. Or, perhaps, he’s OK with The Blacks but not OK with The Jews who are controlling The World Cups and rounding up all The Blacks who play soccer football and pilling them into massive Jewish shipping containers and dropping them in non Jewish European (Turkish, Ukrainian, Viking) neighbourhoods to kick balls into innocent (Turkish, Ukrainian, Viking) people.
        
        It’s always so nuanced with EAD.
        
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        June 17, 2018 10:00am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        ???
        
        Just come back to check on this thread.
        
        It must be very red-pilling to casual observers as they watch Milkmaid and itstricky get all worked about the assertion that the English team should be made up of……………Englishmen 🙂
        
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        June 17, 2018 10:44am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Certainly the Japanese profession sport of sumo has opened up to Polynesian and Eastern European athletes in recent decades.
        
        Some of the die-hard purists may not accept these newcomers, but these boys are talented, and are good ambassadors for sumo.
        
        Ref: (Baruto Kaito aka Kaido Höövelson (Ozeki ranking. From Estonia)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrC0XanraKI
        
        Bonus: If anyone can tell me why his sumo name is Baruto Kaito , you win a chocolate fish.
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:02pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        EADolf, you’re so funny. The most refined, proper and well-spoken English person I know is black (born in England).
        
        But hey, if you really want African countries to win in every sport, let’s hope they take all the black talent. It will be like the Olympics: somehow the black sportspeople run fastest and jump farthest and highest.
        
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        June 17, 2018 3:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Baltic
        
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        June 17, 2018 5:41pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Maggy wins the chocolate fish!
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:46pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        But hey, if you really want African countries to win in every sport, let’s hope they take all the black talent. It will be like the Olympics: somehow the black sportspeople run fastest and jump farthest and highest
        
        sounds like a great plan. Britain should turn all of its cities into something resembling Mogadishu in the hope that it brings them more Olympic medals in activities where mankind is a long way behind the animal kingdom.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        Classic Liberal posted not far above that ” black sportspeople run fastest and jump farthest and highest”.
        
        Only partly true. Black athletes don’t dominate the men’s high jump or pole vault, but they have won nearly all of the last nine Olympic gold medals for the men’s long jump.
        
        Physical differences in athletes are interesting, such as the West African-East African split which gives different strengths in sprinting v. distance running.
        
        Whites are way ahead in shooting and, as you might expect given relative home climates, in the winter sports.
        
        Physical differences due to evolution in different environments.
        
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        June 17, 2018 10:53pm
- itstricky
  
  As I’m European
  
  Just when are you returning to Turkey? Or Ukraine? Or Greenland?
  
  Hell, why are you even watching The World Cup? I mean, it was spread by The English in their colonial exploits. That’s the beginning of globalisation. Surely that is a big black mark in your small yellow book?
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:45am
- itstricky
  
  I am supporting the South Korea’s, Nigeria’s etc
  
  Did you know that roughly 46% of Nigeria’s people are Muslim?
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Shit – do we have to make notes on the draw for each team according to the players’ ethnicity, religion and political views?
    I hope EADolf can figure it all out so that I know who to support when Egypt plays Saudi Arabia, Costa Rica plays Serbia, South Korea plays Mexico, Tunisia plays Panama, and Senegal plays Japan.
    This could get really complicated.
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:05am
    - itstricky
      
      This could get really complicated.
      
      Thank goodness David Beckham isn’t playing anymore.
      
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      June 17, 2018 10:27am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I might just have settle for watching the football, and leave the virtue signalling to snowflakes like EADolf.
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:15am
      - Brigitte
        
        No complicated would have been the US qualifying and finding themselves in a group comprising Russia, Iran, and Syria with the games played in Sevastopol.
        
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        June 17, 2018 1:41pm
duggledog

Koreans do as they’re told – internally, within the context and confines of the State.

If you don’t know that I venture you are brain dead. They (like the Chinese) obey The Great Leaders’ commands because to refuse is unthinkable, you can be killed for it.

Unlike NZers who will do the exact opposite of what you tell them to do, something the Left never seem to understand.
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June 17, 2018 8:19am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Your simplistic world view tallies well with that of Trump.
  Please confirm for me the truth of these one-word summaries:
  Asians – obedient
  Africans – lazy
  Polynesians – violent
  Aborigines – stupid
  Boers – arrogant
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:44am
  - fernglas
    
    Kiwis- Gullible
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:50am
  - Harkman
    
    Michael Kevin Joy
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:51am
  - Dave Mann
    
    All true, actually. You’ve nailed it.
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:39am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    You left out Maoris. I’m sure they will be offended.
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You don’t think Maori are Polynesian?
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:14am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Maoris are Polynesians. Covered.
      
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      June 17, 2018 12:31pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    MMA: that’s not what Duggledog said and you know it. Here you go:
    
    People in countries where you can die for disobedience – obedient.
    
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    June 17, 2018 3:55pm
- wiseowl
  
  Right DD but I wish kiwis would express their outrage at times especially when the likes of the Wellington leftist/marxist council act like UN disciples and impose their views on the populace instead of sticking to council basics.
  Wellingtonians should be marching in the street .
  
  Lesters band of virtue signalling excuses for councillors should hang their heads in shame the way they are behaving.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:23am
cmm

Jacinda must be having an Angry Mummy Moment.

She leaves the kids for 5 minutes and they’re trashing the place. Little and Davis going off script.

And the Greens and NZF, well, why did they even come to the party?

After this lot she’ll be able to handle sugar-fuelled birthday parties easy-peasy.
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June 17, 2018 8:29am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Is today the day? Is this the day of the second coming? Will this become a public holiday to mark the beginning of real New Zealand royalty and not just that pretend murri lineage? Anyone done the 9 month math? Should I get out of bed in readiness and arrange the sick bags in size order? Are the media ready, big smiles and garish coloured clothing for all the interviews?
  
  I am over it and it hasn’t even really started!
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:04am
  - VicParking
    
    Yes Barstarday
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:42am
  - GazzaW
    
    If the oracles are to be believed a royal child is to be delivered today and peals of joy rung across our land.
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:53am
    - sooty
      
      Every church bell in the land, from the top to the south, will be ringing with joy.
      
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      June 17, 2018 10:03am
  - backster
    
    Haven’t read the Sunday Times today then.Nothing else in it.
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:04am
    - sooty
      
      Why would you if you have to pay for it?
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:20am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Would it be too much to ask for a separate thread for when SLG drops the kid?
    I guess there are some folk who want to follow events, but I suspect that many don’t.
    I’m well stocked on reading material and will adopt a media blackout from today as I don’t intend to follow every pant and push that MSM will serve up.
    Hopefully KB will be a safe place.
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:02pm
duggledog

CMM

I’d say in Arden’s social circles, it would be more acceptable to bring P to a toddler’s party than sugar

LOL
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June 17, 2018 8:31am
- cmm
  
  Perhaps, but even P-soaked toddlers behave better than the CoL MPs have this last week.
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Except when they start school and can’t concentrate or remember anything and get into trouble for being disruptive.
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:38am
- artemisia
  
  Parties could have their own P dealer for entertainment instead of the clown. If arrested just a spot of HomeD as long as the dealer doesn’t get violent. Mr Little said so.
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Article in the Herald today about P addicted babies.
    Have a look.
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:46am
    - Inandout
      
      That problem goes back to heroin days so why even bother reading the Herald account? The P problem originates with the dealer, and Angry thinks they are minor criminals. Maybe the CoL are looking at the Philipines with astonishment.
      
      https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/asia/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-to-arm-public-in-the-fight-against-drugs-ng-42a1adb9370a720223bd5eb9fc60a5b8
      
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      June 17, 2018 9:15am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Really?
        So we just shrug our shoulders and turn our backs on another generation of children born with a miserable, drug addicted start in life through no fault of their own?
        Nice.
        “ Mental health issues” is now the excuse of choice for P users. As ever, it’s all about them.
        What about a thought for the children they keep producing?
        Is there no one in Government willing to say enough – this is not acceptable child abuse.
        
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        June 17, 2018 9:29am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes, but at least now they will be able to grow up in a nice state house. P-soaked walls, P smoke wafting about, but a nice state house.
        
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        June 17, 2018 3:58pm
softail 1450

Has the miracle child been born yet? I didn’t sight the bright guiding star last night or the three camels so i guess the birth hasn’t happened, Jacinda wouldn’t be short of manger animals ,she’s got her entire front bench FFS.
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June 17, 2018 8:40am
- Harkman
  
  Frankincense, myrrh but no gold, Cindy’s opposed to mining just fiat money made out of thin air.
  
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  June 17, 2018 8:58am
- Inandout
  
  The CoL are frantically and futilely seeking three ‘wise men’ amongst their ranks, but the Greens are ruining things by insisting on a gender balance.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:20am
  - softail 1450
    
    Inandout, just what i needed a good Sunday morning laugh ,,very good.
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    They can’t find a virgin either…
    
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    June 17, 2018 12:00pm
  - Lance
    
    That would be like a male, a female and a hermaphrodite, 3 is an odd number after all?
    
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    June 17, 2018 2:02pm
- VicParking
  
  The three wise men Trump, Putin and Xi are flying in as we speak.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:44am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Need a virgin. Now that’s a bit of a problem judging from the Hoover rumours I read somewhere. Also an ass. Now Clarke ( with an e ) Gayford suffices, but… However, there was a hell of a thunderstorm last night, so a la Macbeth, and the witches toiling, maybe there are portents we should be very afraid of….
  
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  June 17, 2018 10:53am
- MCos
  
  Keep reading Kiwiblog.
  There’s so many people here fixated on the impending event that I’m sure someone will blurt out the news immediately the baby is born.
  
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  June 17, 2018 11:03am
Nukuleka

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My 98 year old Gran has just been diagnosed with lung cancer and has been given only a few more weeks to live. Pity is that I have an extended overseas holiday booked for next month and I would be personally miffed if my holiday was derailed if she lingered on for a few extra weeks. Thinking of suggesting to her and her doctor that she is administered a few extra doses of morphine to hurry the inevitable along. That way I wouldn’t be inconvenienced. And she’ll be going to meet her maker pretty soon in any case. In this case just a week or two sooner. Win/win really.

It would be her choice, of course. I’m sure David Seymour would see it my way.
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June 17, 2018 9:03am
- Inandout
  
  Buy her some bonus bonds which have a 2 month kick in. She will wait in case she wins a prize and you can enjoy your holiday. Don’t forget to tell your travel insurer.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:25am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Make sure the hospice staff know her views (it true of course) that poor old Gran wants to die in dignity and not drowning in her lungs and shitting the bed and make sure there is no attended vigil at her bedside 24/7 – I understand the hospice people are generally very special, caring, loving operators who are well-aligned with the thinking in Seymour’s bill.
  
  The family needs to make it easy for the staff to end suffering and misery.
  
  If there’s one thing above all else that Seymour’s bill will do is that it will ease the burden on the palliative/terminal care sector of the medical profession – those folks are angels come down to Earth imho.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:27am
  - KevOB
    
    Hospice staff will have none of murder by morphine.
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:37am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, we can keep people alive far too easily these days – way past any serving any purpose for anyone.
    
    The night my gran died I was going to be sleeping over at her house, but I’d been visiting my girlfriend into the wee hours and decided to sleep over there rather than wake old gran up.
    
    She apparently had a stroke that night and died. If I had been there I might have managed to keep her alive – perhaps.
    
    Good thing I wasn’t there. She was very active and would have absolutely hated being in a wheel chair etc.
    
    She played bowls in the morning, played bridge in the afternoon, then died that night. No drawn out care etc. That’s the way to go.
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Nukuleka is not a supporter of dying with dignity. His story is a fabrication to make a point. If he really does have a sick 98-year-old grandmother, then shame on him for using her in his campaign of rubbishing David Seymour and his bill.
    
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    June 17, 2018 11:16am
- Dave Mann
  
  Fuck, nuke….. you sound like a selfish arsehole. Are you for real?
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He’s turning his own imaginary life into a straw man that he can knock down with a minimum of effort.
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:55am
- JibberJabber
  
  Fake News.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’d take the chance to say farewell while she is still conscious and able to chat.
  
  My last memory of my father who was dying of lung cancer is that he was too tired to follow a Sunday soccer game on the telly (something he had watched religiously for decades).
  As he kissed me and my baby goodbye, large spittles of blood started gurgling out of his mouth.
  
  He died a couple of days later.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    *fade to a wide shot of the churchyard as mournful theme music plays and the credits roll*
    
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    June 17, 2018 9:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My old man was an atheist.
      No-one was mourning.
      He had had his 3 score & ten and a few years more.
      
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      June 17, 2018 10:19am
    - thedavincimode
      
      What sort of a cunty shot was that milky? You really have lost the plot.
      
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      June 17, 2018 10:28am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        As I have said true to nasty, lefty form. Cunt’s the lot of them.
        
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        June 17, 2018 10:56am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Feel free to add the tragic details of your own life.
        
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        June 17, 2018 10:58am
      - thedavincimode
        
        With hindsight, I guess the most important thing is that it made you feel better about yourself. And you clearly do.
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But how are you feeling, cobber? I’m a bit worried about you. Have you managed to cling to your job during all those party leadership changes? Or are you on the outer at the moment but planning a comeback when one of the other factions gets its hands back on the reins?
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:22am
      - thedavincimode
        
        I really never thought I’d see the day when you’d be subscribing to redbladder and dad4dementia material milky. Maybe calm down and have a nice cup of tea, there’s a good chap. When you’re back to your old self you might like to try some original material.
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:30am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s cool, then. You are not part of the party apparatus at all, just an enthusiastic supporter incapable of criticising his own party.
        Do you think that NZ is heading down the same track as the US, hyper-partisanship despite the major parties having virtually identical policy prescriptions?
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:42pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That’s low, even by your standards mikenmild. Cheap shot.
      
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      June 17, 2018 12:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Don’t forget to tell off the other baddies, otherwise people might get the idea that you are a sanctimonious hypocrite.
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:40pm
    - starboard
      
      Just go away and die in the corner mm you scumbag.
      
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      June 17, 2018 12:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sticks and stones and all that, old fruit.
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:49pm
    - Longknives
      
      Athiest or Whatever- You don’t go sneering at people when they are talking about a parent’s death.
      That was a utterly shit thing to say Mikenmild..
      
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      June 17, 2018 3:51pm
- lifesgood
  
  Your comment is disgusting. What a despicable, selfish attitude.
  
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  June 17, 2018 12:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He didn’t mean it. He made it up to promote his anti-euthanasia line.
    
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    June 17, 2018 12:51pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Sorry to hear about your granny Nuk.
  
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  June 17, 2018 3:54pm
Harkman

One News was so anti Trump last night that it was indistinguishable from MSNBC.
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June 17, 2018 9:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  What made last night so different from all the others?
  
  Not like he had ushered in any big nuclear avoidance deal or was his birthday or anything was it?
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:10am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention the very biased coverage of the latest west coast mine debacle.
  
  As far as the ‘educated urban liberals ‘ are concerned as long as they themselves can live off taxpayer transfers ( tvnz, academia,public servants etc ) Real jobs in the real world are not worth having.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:24am
  - JibberJabber
    
    No mention of an MP attempting to bribe a health official either.
    On tape, overwhelming evidence, the corrupt lickspittle NZ Pravda turn a blind eye in a feeble attempt to control the narrative…..look Jacinda’s having a babby…
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:41am
    - ztev
      
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      health official ?
      A Chair of DHB is appointed by and answerable to the Minister.
      This guy was a major construction contracts barrister, knew nothing about ‘health’
      But was appointed National anyway
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But he knew when Clark was obfuscating.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12040202
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:43am
      - starboard
        
        “FAP FAP FAP went the angry ztev”…
        
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        June 17, 2018 12:46pm
- Inandout
  
  This is one reason Fox News is so popular now for political comment. The local news can be viewed on stuff.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:28am
  - MCos
    
    None of those cable news outlets in the States are particularly popular if you look at the actual viewer numbers.
    
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    June 17, 2018 11:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Fake news. Only Trump tweets can tell us what is truly popular.
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:24am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Must have been a day ending in d-a-y…
  
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  June 17, 2018 12:03pm
Harkman

Bipartisan framework on Climate change, oh no, now I’m worried.
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June 17, 2018 9:06am
- Harkman
  
  Good gosh Peter Dunne is dumb. We’ve increased our prison population as crime rates have fallen. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out that one but Dunne can’t see the link.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:33am
  - ztev
    
    ‘Crime rates’ are a sort of general indicator , not like ‘serious crime’ rates which have risen substantially.
    Serious crime is what puts people in prison
    
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    June 17, 2018 11:18am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Thanks to more women speaking out about sexual violence and domestic violence. Oh wait, you’d be against them speaking out, Ztev – might get more people put in prison…
    
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    June 17, 2018 4:07pm
- Ross12
  
  I’m surprised there has not been more comment about this, on here, Harkman. Train wreck heading our way in more ways than we can think.
  
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  June 17, 2018 11:05am
  - Harkman
    
    Ross, so correct bipartisan concensuses are usually mushy lefty agreements.
    
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    June 17, 2018 2:19pm
Monique Watson

Davis is about to get a log roll. And so are Marama and Eugenie.
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June 17, 2018 9:17am
flipper

A frustrating night for most at the Cake Tin … and for all watching via electrons.
The lack of air in what promised to be a cracker test was foreshadowed by Paul Lewis in his excellent Herald piece published yesterday morning….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12072048
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June 17, 2018 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  The red card for the duration of the game is ridiculous, disregarding the crash of bodies. The ABs played against a hobbled side and deserved to win handsomely. The number of ‘replacements’ must make older rugby players smile at the modern pussycats.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:34am
  - Colville
    
    Watch a game from 40 years ago and you will notice that they actually play very little footy. All the time is spent watching a few fatties lie all over the ball and wrestle each other.
    The modern players would murder them in a game, fitness size and strength all vastly superior.
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:11am
    - MCos
      
      These days if a prop scores a try it’s unusual. Fifty years ago a prop wasn’t even allowed to run with the ball
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:15am
    - rockape
      
      Not if they were made to drink as much beer as we did! 32Years as a front row!
      
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      June 17, 2018 1:19pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’d like to see an orange card added, for offences such as last night. The player leaves the field, but can be replaced after 15 minutes. That way it would be a stronger sanction than a yellow card, but not a game-killer. The red card would be reserved for serious, violent offences such as kicking. In addition, if a player gets a second yellow card, it becomes and orange card, not a red one.
    
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    June 17, 2018 12:12pm
- fernglas
  
  You know how unhappy people are told to do a calendar and tick off the good days and put a cross through the bad? And at the end of the year they will be surprised how many more good days there are than bad? Try that with the All Blacks tests.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:35am
  - Colville
    
    Unhappy people ?
    
    Like Eddie Jones you mean?
    
    2 wins 5 losses this year.
    
    Oh dear how sad never mind 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:12am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  What, more inane gibberish from the washed-up fucktard Lewis, working himself up into a lather over an opinion piece no one has read, written by someone we have never heard of? It can’t be good for his blood pressure, but if he is so outraged by conspiracy theories maybe he should direct his attention a little closer to home, like the constant crapola being produced by his suckhole mate Gregor for example?
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:39am
Gravelroad

David Warner : TV commentator at the Aust/England ODI last night.
Appropriate?
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June 17, 2018 9:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You can’t expect him to suffer financially from being cheating and being a complete arsehole – he has to make money somehow.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:58am
Hugh Pavletich

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HOUSING 2007: Why did the New Zealand National Party let itself and us down ?

Check posts at …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/06/weekend-links-16-17-june-2018/#comment-3124599
(note Janets comment below) …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/general_debate_16_june_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2233558 (with further posts up – thread) …

… starting with …

Developers decry Affordable Housing Bill – New Zealand Landlords.co.nz

… followed by …

John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube

… concluding with …

Key: Speech to New Zealand Contractors Federation – 21 August 2007 | Scoop News

Isnt it past time for action ?
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June 17, 2018 9:49am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thank you Hugh for making your comment a reasonable length. I’m not personally very interested in housing, but you obviously are and now that you are limiting the length of your posts I’m not going to downtick you for expressing your interest.
  
  Keep it short mate, and it’s all good 😀
  
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  June 17, 2018 10:05am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    One in five Kiwis say they will never buy a home – Susan Edmunds | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/104695849/one-in-five-kiwis-say-they-will-never-buy-a-home
    
    Natasha and Mark Paddison have wanted to buy a house for the past seven years. But the Whangarei couple say it’s just getting harder. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    Auckland MÄori Housing Summit to focus on development opportunities | Voxy.co.nz
    
    http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/5/309160
    
    … extract …
    
    … Hon Phil Twyford acknowledged the seriousness of the housing crisis for Auckland MÄori with the home ownership rate among MÄori now tracking below 30%. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    Is the Maori Auckland homeownership rate / trend acceptable ?
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:38am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Love the fucking Macrons……
      
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      June 17, 2018 10:58am
    - Dave Mann
      
      …. you’re blowing it…
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:05am
      - sooty
        
        Hugh, don’t think you can post half a doz either!
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:26am
    - KevOB
      
      So?
      
      Why should people expect to own a house? Capital takes work and savings. A 3x price/income ratio might be temporarily achievable where there is a much larger population, much more flat land, low infrastructure costs and low interest rates.
      
      Your recipe presupposes that govt owns or controls all. Effectively govt provides the initial capital and the balance is financed at subsidised interest rates. Everyone would like a deal like that where the govt takes the development risks and the new owners acquire capital gains arising out govt subsidised leverage.
      
      That’s how we came to the accommodation supplement to iron out the inequities between those in subsidised rental housing and those otherwise renting or paying off a mortgage.
      
      When everyone lines up for state accommodation the govt is being too generous.
      
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      June 17, 2018 1:23pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “Your recipe presupposes that govt owns or controls all.”
        
        A.k.a.: communism.
        
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        June 17, 2018 4:11pm
Monique Watson

When’s the Goofy goober gonna have her kid? Waiting for news of the Mermaid Magic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQJNPaGcYc
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June 17, 2018 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
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  Monique Watson, keep up the knitting of the babe’s tootsies and stay expectantly tuned.
  
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  June 17, 2018 10:01am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Oh so you’re a maiesiophiliac as well. Creepy.
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:31am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh crikey!
      You live and you learn.
      (I won’t ask how you knew of that term)
      
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      June 17, 2018 11:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, out with your crochet patterns and get busy. The alt right on KB have made the PM’s pregnancy a major obsession preoccupation and therefore shall wee say ,“fetish”
        
        Not me!
        
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        June 17, 2018 1:18pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      had to look that one up, but well describe SC ?
      
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      June 17, 2018 12:44pm
      - Harkman
        
        Yes a little creepy, but then again so is our Ralph.
        
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        June 17, 2018 2:23pm
secondcumming

I was sitting there watching *Simon Bridges* on Q&A earlier this morning, when my wife got home from Mass. She stopped in front of the telly for a moment and said, “I still think Jacinda sounds a lot more Prime Ministerial than Soymin….such a shame she’s in the wrong party”

Wimmin!!
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June 17, 2018 9:50am
- Inandout
  
  Cindy speaks and nothing is gained, just meaningless drivel, but at least she is lucid. Place Simon and Judith together and I must choose the latter, because she doesn’t mince her words.
  
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  June 17, 2018 10:10am
  - KevOB
    
    Simon speaks when he needs to. He demolished the govt in the Budget Debate.
    
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    June 17, 2018 1:28pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Today is D Day (Delivery Day) of course !
  
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  June 17, 2018 10:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Kudos Hugh. This must be your shortest ever post. I read all of it 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2018 10:40am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Ironic that Ardern has managed to gestate a baby in less time than Twyford has built his first Kiwibuild home.
      
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      June 17, 2018 12:55pm
    - Harkman
      
      Yes I’m placing all my hopes Hugh responding to positive reinforcement. Though I won’t hold my breath.
      
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      June 17, 2018 2:26pm
Fletch

Watch a feminist get triggered by Peter Lloyd 😆

https://youtu.be/LDFTPtOHRnc?t=7m49s

Ouch!
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June 17, 2018 10:07am
- Rich Prick
  
  Heh! Triggered by a statement of fact.
  
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  June 17, 2018 11:44am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    What a classic ‘pain-in-the-arse’ female.
    I’ll bet she’s not married – well, to a bloke,anyway.
    
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    June 17, 2018 5:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Tell us again about your sports cars, sons and other reassuring symbols of your masculinity, Don.
      
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      June 17, 2018 5:13pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  God, imagine having to shag that? “is it alright to call you love… No ah Ok , how about darling? No not that either, sweetheart? Ouch obviously not either. so I suppose grumpy, hysterical, skank is out of the question…..” I don’t have a problem with most feminists, but there are some that just completely make you think, what the FUCK?
  
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  June 17, 2018 3:13pm
Suze Wainwright

Will the Greens tradeoff no more livestock on our pastures for lab grown meat as per Q+A this morning…?
I guess they’re all militant vegans, so it doesn’t really matter in the end.
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June 17, 2018 10:11am
Manolo

The sooner she goes, the better for Europe:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/975166/Angela-Merkel-Germany-Bundestag-EU-migration-crisis-Kai-Whittaker

Speaking on BBC World at One, the German politician claimed clashes between Angela Merkel and German interior minister Horst Seehofer could result in a “new political situation” in Germany by the end of next week.
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June 17, 2018 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  Much of Europe is swinging to the Right because of this Merkel-invasion, and Austria is leading the charge. Closing mosques is but a start because those buildings are a haven for terrorists. Full face Muslim masks are also being banned in a growing number of European nations as those countries watch the UK slowly descend into the Islamic mire. One wonders what the bitch Theresa May does in private and who she speaks with.
  
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  June 17, 2018 11:08am
  - MCos
    
    “watch the UK slowly descend into the Islamic mire”
    
    Various scare mongers have been predicting the imminent demise of the UK since Hadrian built the wall (still waiting for Scotland to pay for it).
    In my time there’s been
    Rock & Roll
    The Pill
    The Irish
    The Beatles & then the Rolling Stones
    Kim Philby & the USSR
    The Irish again
    Football hooligans
    Abortions
    Mini cabs
    The Irish Again
    The miners
    Punk
    Princess Di
    Foreigners except football players
    
    Some of you probably remember when Jack the Ripper brought London to it’s knees. Well before my time, of course.
    
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    June 17, 2018 1:47pm
    - Longknives
      
      To be fair to the Beatles, Stones and even the Sex Pistols Mcos-
      None of them were beheading people in the Street..
      
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      June 17, 2018 4:22pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/975166/Angela-Merkel-Germany-Bundestag-EU-migration-crisis-Kai-Whittaker/amp#click=https://t.co/xMWUpwHZ4m

We might have a new situation’ German MP predicts Merkel could be OUSTED end of NEXT WEEK

“Mr Seehofer, of the Christian Social Union (CSU), has often voiced his hostility towards Mrs Merkel’s open border policy, which brought more than a million refugees in the country in 2015.

He pushed for police forces to have the power to turn away undocumented migrants at the border if they are already registered in another European Union country.

But Mrs Merkel opposes to such measure and has held emergency talks with members of her party to look for support. Despite them pledging to back her, her MPs are also demanding a change in Germany’s “open-door” migration policy.

And CSU MPs already declared they will support their leader, Mr Seehofer.

The rift puts Mrs Merkel in an awkward situation as she is facing a serious challenge to her authority which could limit her ability to negotiate with other EU state members.

And her own position as a Chancellor is under threat because a walkout of CSU MPs from the coalition would see her losing a majority in Parliament.”

And so it begins.
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June 17, 2018 10:50am
- ztev
  
  You cant count.
  
  If the bavarians pull out of government, either the Greens or FDP can step in to replace them.
  After all Greens were in Merkels first proposed government coalition.
  The Frau will be around a lot longer as history has shown, she will ‘see off Sehofer’ easily.
  
  Just a lot of virtue signalling by the CSU for the upcoming bavarian state election
  
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  June 17, 2018 11:07am
  - UpandComer
    
    Ztev has a point.
    
    Horst Seehofer always pulls this stunt like clockwork around the time of Bavarian elections.
    
    He won’t dissolve the government.
    
    But when he makes gestures to security and then repudiates those gestures the second after the election, I’m expecting the AfD to rise about 5 points.
    
    Germany is going to be subject to reconquista, and the feminists and the Greens will be driven into the streets to rave and beg for coins in a tin cup.
    
    It just won’t be because of Ernst Seehofer dissolving the government.
    
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    June 17, 2018 4:47pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  ” if they are already registered in another European Union country.”
  
  As the AfD points out – even that wouldn’t be much of an improvement, since they would simply refuse to be registered in another European Union country.
  
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  June 17, 2018 4:16pm
Ross12

Rodney and Manolo
I was more surprised that Merkel cobbled together a Government than what is happening now, because this was inevitable.
The CSU had a conference in Bavaria two weeks before the election and invited Orban (The Hungarian PM) to talk. If that wasn’t the biggest flag wave you could get, I do not know what would be.
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June 17, 2018 11:02am
cha

But trade wars are good, and easy to win….

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2018/06/15/china-tariffs-soybeans-could-cost-iowa-farmers-up-624-million/705121002/
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June 17, 2018 11:13am
- ztev
  
  Never mind Trump and US govt will step in and buy the soyabeans at world prices.
  That how agriculture works in US
  
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  June 17, 2018 11:25am
  - UpandComer
    
    Trump will just subsidise them through the USDA, and the net effect of the trade wars will greatly favour the US.
    
    Tariffs should be equal or non-existent.
    
    If Eric Schweitzer is right, and ‘quality’ is the reason the Germans have a car trade surplus – why does Germany impose a 10% tariff on US cars into Germany?
    
    German automakers have a presence in the US, but it’s relatively negligible. Most is in Mexico.
    
    I hope the trade pressure exerted by Trump hastens the dissolution of the Stasi Caliphate crypto-pedo EU and wrecks the Chinese Potemkin economy.
    
    The long-run benefits for a small open nation like NZ of a re-set of world free trade and the weakening of China will outweigh the short term disruption.
    
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    June 17, 2018 5:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bonus points for ‘Stasi Caliphate crypto-pedo EU’, but I’m sure next time you could inject a little more feelings into the diatribe.
      
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      June 17, 2018 5:11pm
      - UpandComer
        
        https://archive.org/details/XDossierSummaryDutrouxCaseBelgium
        
        Don’t give me bonus points.
        
        That is what they are.
        
        https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/554152/Leon-Brittan-paedophile-party-claims
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAMcVquIe2o
        
        Europe is one big ring.
        
        The only reason T Robinson got imprisoned like a Stasi victim was because the muslim pedophilia links right back to the English establishment – Labour and the Tories.
        
        The EU establishment is even worse.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:12pm
    - cha
      
      German automakers have a presence in the US, but it’s relatively negligible.
      
      265 plants employ 110,000 Americans and in 2016 854,000 vehicles were manufactured with 60% exported.
      
      Yeah, negligible.
      
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      https://www.politico.eu/article/german-carmakers-remind-trump-they-create-110000-us-jobs/
      
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      June 17, 2018 6:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But the Iowans favoured Cruz over Trump, so they’re probably not real Americans.
  
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  June 17, 2018 12:36pm
lifesgood

What I would really like is that when the royal baby arrives absolutely no mention of it is made on KB. It’s bad enough that the msm harp on and on about it but just about every thread on here mentions it. I am totally over it and the unfortunate child has not yet arrived. I intend to ignore the whole sorry business with the contempt it deserves
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June 17, 2018 12:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good luck with that. It’s already the most popular topic here. Haters gotta hate.
  
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  June 17, 2018 12:53pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Hate? As a parent, I wish the PM and her partner nothing but the best mikenmild, even though I am poles apart from her politically.
    
    When that little bundle of joy arrives, their lives are going to change in ways that they don’t yet have an idea about. The stench of pooh-filled nappies will be far more important to them than the stench of the Health Minister trying to gag someone he’s sacked, and even climate change will pale into insignificance if they can’t get a good feeding or sleeping pattern established.
    
    I wish them every happiness with their new child when (s)he arrives, but I hope the media respects THEIR request for privacy.
    
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    June 17, 2018 1:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And I’m sure you will telling off anyone who says anything nasty here about the PM, her partner or her baby. Otherwise, you’d just be a preachy hypocrite, but you’ve had counselling for that.
      
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      June 17, 2018 1:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Been over to The Standard lately?
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/coming-up-babies/
    
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    June 17, 2018 1:59pm
Huevon

A surprisingly balanced and informative article in the Herald on abortion (hard to believe the MSM was capable of it)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12070558

Bridges is taking an entirely sensible approach. God knows why the PM wants to open this can of worms…
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June 17, 2018 12:53pm
stigie

We need to keep reminding ourselves what this COLs is doing to our country and the oil and gas industry !~

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/q/d/a/e/4/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1qa89x.png/1529180155321.jpg
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June 17, 2018 12:59pm
VicParking

Twelve year old sexually attacked in Wales.
“After a struggle the girl managed to get away from the suspect, described as tanned, between 17 and 22 years old, about 5ft 8in and of muscular build.”
The police are using “Tanned” as it seems to be the latest description to use so as to not to be seen as racist.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-44507862
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June 17, 2018 1:08pm
- Manolo
  
  I protest! I can also claim to have a “tanned” complexion. 😀
  
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  June 17, 2018 1:23pm
  - starboard
    
    Id be scrubbing it off buddy boy..
    
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    June 17, 2018 2:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Na, stay a darkie, Manolo.
      You confuse the alt-lefties.
      
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      June 17, 2018 3:08pm
      - sooty
        
        Have to ban these sunbed salons.
        
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        June 17, 2018 3:46pm
Manolo

Will be have a showdown?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-trump-russia-20180616-story.html

President Donald Trump’s lawyers and special counsel Robert Mueller are hurtling toward a showdown over a yearlong investigation into the president’s conduct, with Mueller pushing to write up his findings by summer’s end and Trump’s lawyers strategising how to rebut a report that could spur impeachment hearings.
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June 17, 2018 1:22pm
Chuck Bird

This is going to be very interesting. How will NZF vote? The way they ask for submissions is ass about face. They should put draft legislation forward as was the case on the euthanasia bill and then ask for submissions.

Simon Bridges should be careful on this proposed law. The Greens will all support it. Labour may allow a few Catholics to vote against it. If NZF or nearly all NZF MPs vote against the bill and National allows a free vote it could pass.

This could help NZF. This sort of issue should go to a binding referendum after the bill is in its final form.

Big Read: Abortion law reform – what’s at stake?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12070558
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June 17, 2018 2:13pm
- UpandComer
  
  Bridges can campaign on the angle of free speech.
  
  In NSW they now have the absolutely shameful spectacle of “exclusion zones” where smiling young girls can be thrown into prison for handing out fliers to women about complications such as mental illness about to have an abortion within 150m of these centres.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON-8PP6zgQ
  
  Every supporter of abortion needs to read and watch ‘the silent scream’ by the FOUNDER of NARAL in America – “National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws”.
  
  Long story short – per Nathan’s own statements they lied about absolutely everything that formed the basis of their campaigns – especially about the scale and nature of ‘back-street abortions’.
  
  It was all bullshit.
  
  As I said – every single tenet of progressive-liberalism is based on lies.
  
  Whether it be the Stanford Prison experiments, Neurogenesis, the Milgram experiments, implicit racism, transgender theory, abortion – all of it.
  
  Garbage and lies.
  
  Since Roe v Wade in 1973 – there have been 60.5million abortions in the United States alone.
  
  But remember, guy, we need more immigration because otherwise, who will pay your pensions?
  
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  June 17, 2018 5:19pm
starboard

HMS liarbor in serious shit.

Davis the DPM is out of his depth and nervous.
Little appears to be in the middle of a breakdown.
Clark ..well Clark’s just a scumbag.
Twatford looks/sounds like a greasy car salesman.
Hipkins is getting fat.
Robertson is getting fatter.
The drunken dwarf is playing Captain !
Ztev cant stop fap fapping and hurling squirrels around!

Oh my, this is fun.
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June 17, 2018 2:40pm
- RF
  
  Don’t forget 3 pies Wood. Suffering from food overload.
  
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  June 17, 2018 5:14pm
  - sooty
    
    She’s going to be worse now that Bellanys have got better. They will need a room out the back with a trough.
    
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    June 17, 2018 5:30pm
    - starboard
      
      I forgot..Cindys got severe anixety..bawhahahaha!
      
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      June 18, 2018 1:35am
Jack5

Children from Hmong and other ethnic minorities in Vietnam are being sold to China as child brides – or as sex slaves in brothels.

Wonder what the UN, which is always ready to criticise Western countries, says about this.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2151075/vietnam-without-love-child-brides-china
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June 17, 2018 3:09pm
Jack5

Are Aussie red wines going to become cheaper in NZ?

China is souring on Australian wine because Australia, unlike NZ, isn’t sucking up to Beijing.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/business/article/2151032/grapes-wrath-dark-clouds-australian-winemakers-china-ties-sour
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June 17, 2018 3:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I suspect that Chinese trade retaliation against Ocker goods will only harden public and political opinion against Beijing’s interference in Australia’s affairs.
  Sadly, there is absolutely no sign that any New Zealand politicians can wean themselves off the Chinese money. Our leaders believe that our relationship with China is now too important to risk over minor things like corruption, human rights or the international rule of law.
  
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  June 17, 2018 5:08pm
starboard

Another fine upstanding big brave warrior murders his off spring..whats the tally now on beaten and murdered maori babes ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104737153/devastating-fatal-and-quick–the-injury-that-killed-a-ninemonthold
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June 17, 2018 3:32pm
- Longknives
  
  It’s not their fault Starboard.
  They are still struggling to deal with being Colonised…You know??
  
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  June 17, 2018 4:05pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Just as well we don’t smack naughty children any more.
  
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  June 17, 2018 4:06pm
- starboard
  
  I see 3 supporters of the murdering thug.
  How do you sleep at night?
  You should be ashamed of yourselves.
  Oh, that’s right..you’re from the vile left.
  
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  June 17, 2018 4:23pm
- GoVege
  
  What can you expect when the idiot mothers dump their kids off with any relative, and they are all on drugs?
  It says the mum had left the baby alone with its dad while she was visiting/staying with friends, despite knowing he used meth every day.
  These cases are accidents waiting to happen.
  At least this infant wasn’t tortured like so many others before it died.
  
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  June 17, 2018 9:53pm
rightoverlabour

I think attacking Jacinda as being an incompetent PM is fair enough. The baby, in my opinion, is off limits. I know I have made barbed comments about virgins and three wise men, but these are mostly in jest and directed at Jacinda and Gayford ( who is NOT off limits). No person who wishes to claim to have a heart would want to wish a mother and child ill at this time. I wish her well as a mother and I hope the baby is healthy and happy. Being a parent is a wonderful experience no matter what your political beliefs. I do believe, that for her sake and the health of the baby, she should resign as PM. I don’t think you can do both effectively.
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June 17, 2018 4:52pm
- nasska
  
  The baby should be off topic. It didn’t ask to be conceived or born but anything its wretched parents do should be ridiculed.
  
  They chose politics for their sandpit. If they don’t like what comes with it they can leave.
  
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  June 17, 2018 5:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    All political spouses are targets?
    
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    June 17, 2018 5:03pm
    - nasska
      
      When they court publicity?
      
      Yes.
      
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      June 17, 2018 5:04pm
      - stigie
        
        Just how you court publicity Milky !~
        
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        June 17, 2018 5:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Does it depend on how they court publicity? It seems to me that commenters make up rules about that depending upon whether they approve of the politician in question.
        But we could ask Keeping Stock – guardian of ethical behaviour on Kiwiblog.
        
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        June 17, 2018 5:20pm
      - sooty
        
        By opening their cakeholes every 5min to the media. Clarkey STFU, would do for a start. No Clarkey you are not allowed to trouser the media fees
        
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        June 17, 2018 5:27pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Any topic that can get all the old bags at the Wimmens Weakly all atwitter must be a good topic say I! 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2018 5:20pm
- RF
  
  I agree that the baby is off limits however I very much doubt that Ardern and the boyfriend will want to shelter it from the public. I can see it being trotted out at every opportunity and used to enhance their abnormal attention seeking.
  
  We hear little about JAGs pregnancy. Perhaps she has some dignity and dare I say it… more class than Ardern.
  
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  June 17, 2018 5:08pm
- Longknives
  
  I care for Jacinda and Clarke and their baby as much as they care for mine.
  Remember this vile woman wants to empty our Prisons simply so she can impress the United Nations..
  She would happily see my children raped and murdered (I think ‘Collateral Damage’ was the term used) so she can advance her Political career- So why the fuck should I care for hers??
  
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  June 17, 2018 5:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You really are a despicable scumbag, aren’t you? You must be just like a young flipper or starboard were in the 1970s heyday.
    Just because DPF likes to pretend that Andrew Little and the Parole Board want violent criminals to be released doesn’t mean that all the Kiwiblog morons have to believe him.
    
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    June 17, 2018 5:27pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”to pretend that Andrew Little and the Parole Board want violent criminals to be released”….
      
      Hang about! They were about to abolish Three Strikes which is the only thing keeping some of worst from re offending. If they’re inside the public has some respite from their predation.
      
      How can you spin that into Labour not wanting violent criminals to be released?
      
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      June 17, 2018 5:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ah spin. It’s the ‘spin’ that aims to have folk like you swallowing the line that wanting to change the three strikes legislation is the same as wanting more violent crime.
        If you really believe that Cabinet ministers and parole board members are in favour of more violent crime then you are much less astute than I have given you credit for.
        
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        June 17, 2018 5:49pm
      - Johnboy
        
        It’s difficult to believe any of your leftist spin Milkey when your own Mr Speaker got off making a sneaky physical attack on a totally innocent member of an opposing political party! 🙂 Right in the foyer of parliament to boot! 🙂
        
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        June 17, 2018 5:57pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”wanting to change the three strikes legislation is the same as wanting more violent crime”….
        
        Not even the most deluded, ideological Labourite “wants” more violent crime. But:
        
        1) They don’t really care. Little has already used the term “collateral damage”. Therefore their ideology trumps the protection of the proletariat.
        
        2) Again…..while the people who commit violent crime are inside there isn’t collateral damage.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        #notmyspeaker
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Do you have a citation for that, nasska? I can’t find it by googling Andrew Little + collateral damage.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:19pm
      - nasska
        
        My memory fails me:
        
        He didn’t say “collateral damage”. But he did say:
        
        …..'”tough-on-crime” policies were leaving a legacy of failure.”…..
        AND
        
        ….”Little said there would again be “isolated examples” which would prompt some to say “we need to revert back to the more draconian measures” which could have a political impact”…..
        
        Which, I contend, means that he expects collateral damage but the socialist, touchy-feely vision is more important.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:32pm
    - Happychappy
      
      MM has Labour blamed National for the big fire in Greymouth last night yet or are they bringing in experts to look for evidence.
      
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      June 17, 2018 6:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t know. Was there a fire in Greymouth?
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:36pm
      - starboard
        
        A jewish stocktake I believe they call it..
        Indian restaurant running at a loss…”fuck it we’ll burn the bastard down”.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:55pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        “Jewish lightening” I believe is the correct term:
        
        http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jewish-lightening-and-other-fine-phrases/
        
        I believe the phrase originated in New York at the turn of 20th century due to the sheer number of Jews convicted for setting fire to their premises in order to get an insurance pay out.
        
        What was worse is that Jewish Valuers were caught being in on the tje scam by inflating the value of the destroyed buildings.
        
        Of course they blamed their arrests on “anti-semitism” rather than taking account for their behaviour❗
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:03pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It seems pretty certain that all forms of fraud have Jewish origins.
        Tell us again. about William of Norwich, and Edward I, of course
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:12pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        It seems pretty certain that all forms of fraud have Jewish origins.
        
        I see you’ve been studying the Jewish Holy Books Milkmaid
        
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        June 17, 2018 11:13pm
    - starboard
      
      Go and have some sex MM, you’re getting very wound up. Well ya on the job, pass on my best regards to ya mum and tell her that I’m sorry to hear about her prolapsed arse.
      
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      June 17, 2018 6:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh dear, we’ve been through all that before.
        Shouldn’t you be at the Woolston Club by now? The pensioner’s Sunday roast special ends at 7 pm, so you’ve just got time to hobble across the road from your council bed-sitter.
        
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        June 17, 2018 6:53pm
      - starboard
        
        Cant say I’ve ever been there mm.
        Papanui WMC many years ago ( where I met ya mum ) used to go off but I’m talking over 40 years ago. Does she still drink Pimms? She used to get sooo shit faced , whipp her knickers off, lift her skirt and run around the dance floor flashing her…err..bits and pieces. I believe she tripped over them once and went head first into the pianola.
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:20pm
  - MCos
    
    “She would happily see my children raped and murdered ”
    
    Longknives, you have a vivid imagination if that’s what you honestly believe.
    
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    June 17, 2018 8:07pm
Johnboy

Thank God for brexit! The Poms are well out of this european disaster zone! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/104785208/migrant-rescue-convoy-turned-away-by-italy-set-to-arrive-in-spain
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June 17, 2018 5:17pm
nasska

I went up to a homeless man sitting on a bench in the town centre today with a cup of coffee for him. I sat next to him & asked how he’d got in this position. He said to me, “You know, three weeks ago I had it all, my own accommodation, a cook, good food, sex, TV, I used to go to the gym, & the library, play sport, everything”.

I replied, “Shit, that’s a bit rough, what happened, bad luck, divorce,drugs,alcohol problems”?

He said “Na, I got released from prison”.
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June 17, 2018 6:18pm
Johnboy

I see that despite Milkey going through several interesting recent re-incarnations his verbosity hasn’t diminished. If anything it’s been enhanced. 🙂
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June 17, 2018 6:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You are too kind.
  
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  June 17, 2018 6:35pm
- nasska
  
  I thought he would have been a box of fluffy ducks after the CoL assumed power last Sept JB. Yet he still roams the boards getting his balls in a knot over the mildest criticism of his team.
  
  Must have missed out on an appointment to chair one of those discussion or conversation groups. 🙂
  
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  June 17, 2018 6:42pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Would you say that Ztev is here to argue that black is white (despite all evidence to the contrary), whereas Mike would settle for black is grey? 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2018 6:46pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”whereas Mike would settle for black is grey”…..
      
      Interesting. Probably a light shade of grey to tone with the blood red flag. Tastefully set off with a beige cardigan, dress shorts, long socks, white shoes & a copy of the Dominion Post under his armpit.
      
      The quintessential public servant! 🙂
      
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      June 17, 2018 6:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, it’s been a while since the walk shorts and socks were common. Given the cyclical nature of fashion, could they be due for a comeback?
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:02pm
      - nasska
        
        And leather sandals Mike. Lambton Quay may never challenge Carnegie Street but that’s no reason for the public service to slum it. 🙂
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:08pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        RRM, with this comment, captured the quintessential public servant:
        
        A couple of aging civil servants sitting near me on the train this morning have just spent a whole HOUR having “a discussion around” project management and line management and policy focus vs process focus and how you best manage an overly process-focussed project manager, and triaging our decision-making and assessing qualitatively whether our strategic policy direction facilitates and empowers that organisation to be effective in asking the right questions and knowing when we’re asking the right questions. And arranging another meeting next week “around” whether the current issues are about goal-setting or business focus.
        
        An HOUR of this meaningless, worthless shit. ?
        
        I would slit my wrists if I had to work with these people.
        
        I wonder if either of them will make anything of value, able to be sold for cash money today? I have my doubts..
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think it’s fair to say that many public servants can talk more bullshit in a day, in their own special way, that you can read in one day’s General Debate on Kiwiblog.
        But it’s not just their talking, many of them write a lot of it as well.
        Luckily RRM comes from the intellectual hub of the Wairarapa – Featherston – so can see through the obscurantist phraseology.
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:22pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mike:
        
        the intellectual hub of the Wairarapa – Featherston
        
        Where do Greytown, Carterton and Masterton fit in the scheme of things? (Let’s leave Eketahuna off the list for now.)
        
        Shall we start with Masterton?
        
        Dubbing Masterton the “best town on Earth” has raised a few eyebrows, but it’s also apparently helped to sell $15 million worth of property.
        
        On the face of it, similarly sized places such as Queenstown, Byron Bay in Australia, or St Ives in England, might seem to have more obvious attractions, but Masterton District Council marketing manager Sam Rossiter-Stead is adamant Masterton deserves the title of planetary top town.
        
        “We know it’s put a smile on a few people’s faces, but a lot of people are now talking about Masterton, and most of them in a positive way.”
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Short version:
        Greytown – full of wankers
        Martinborough – full of wankers
        Carterton – filling up rapidly
        Masterton – partly gentrified, but probably too large for Wellington weekenders (all wankers, btw) to ruin.
        Featherston – just discovered by the literatti (mostly wankers)
        
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        June 17, 2018 7:54pm
      - nasska
        
        Slightly longer version:
        
        Martinborough: Chocka with wankers, most of them Wellingtonians. Only saved by its stony soil which suited grapes which acted as a lodestone to the wankeratti.
        
        Greytown: Wankers everywhere! Saved by its heritage buildings, only preserved because for decades the low value of the land under them made demolition pointless.
        
        Carterton: Working class but hey…..they’ve got to live somewhere.
        
        Masterton: Don’t believe the polyannas. It’s fucked!
        
        Featherston: The Village of the Damned (those damned who couldn’t make it in Porirua or Taita). See Masterton above!
        
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        June 17, 2018 8:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gosh, looks what MMA thinks of all those good people of S. Wairarapa who only 20 years ago elected the World’s first transexual mayor to be their Labour MP.
        
        Wankers… that’s what the left now think of the enlightened folk of Wairarapa.
        
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        June 17, 2018 8:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Try not to upset yourself so, Maggy. But while you’re at it, don’t forget to wave your finger at nasska and say tut-tut to him as well.
        
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        June 17, 2018 8:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, I’m not upset.
        Just fascinated how leftie trolls rubbish ordinary folks and their little provincial lives.
        
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        June 17, 2018 9:05pm
cha

Looks like the NRA’s social media person is on a Saturday night P binge, again.

Have you ever wondered what happens when witchcraft intersects with gun control? Witch spells are cast onto POTUS and the NRA. When fighting for freedom, the NRA doesn't get involved with witchcraft. We prefer education, political activism, and grassroots. https://t.co/jIQqKBVFXO— NRA (@NRA) June 16, 2018
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June 17, 2018 6:47pm
starboard

Time to fight back boys and girls..

“Submit against Ngati Porou coastal bill
For those following the long-running shambles to do with tribal claims for the coast, Friday is the deadline for submissions on the Nga Rohe Moana o Nga Hapu o Ngati Porou Bill (No. 2), which gives effect to a deed of agreement between Ngati Porou and the Crown for around 200 km of the East Coast coastline north of Gisborne.

Ngati Porou had reached an agreement on the coastal area in 2008 under Labour’s Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004, but that Act was replaced by National’s Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011, and Ngati Porou did not lodge a claim under that Act within the time period despite having six years to do so.

Until seven years ago, the whole coastal marine area, from the mean high-water springs mark out 12 nautical miles, was vested in the Crown on behalf of all New Zealanders, with everyone having free access.

But under the 2011 Act, those seeking recognition of protected customary rights or customary marine title were enabled to make a claim for that area subject to providing evidence that they had used the area continuously and ‘exclusively’ since 1840 and that they owned the land bordering their claim. This either had to be proven in the High Court or negotiated with the Minister.

Photos of stage coaches driving along the beaches, in the sea, and on tracks around promontories, show that the coast along the area claimed by Ngati Porou was the main path for walkers and coaches from 1840 until the Second World War. Use of the area by travellers disprove claims of exclusive use and should disqualify the Ngati Porou claim for that coastal area.

It appears that Labour’s Michael Cullen negotiated a deal with Ngati Porou and National renegotiated that deal recognising new privileges, even though the validity of Ngati Porou’s claim had never been verified and tested in the High Court.

This bill at least should be opposed on the basis that everyone else had six years in which to lodge their claim – plenty of time for Ngati Porou to comply. A two-year extension is unacceptable, especially as it will delay all other claims that overlap the area.”

To make a submission, go to https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-submission/document/52SCMA_SCF_BILL_78009/ng%C4%81-rohe-moana-o-ng%C4%81-hap%C5%AB-o-ng%C4%81ti-porou-bill-no-2 , click on “I am not a robot”, press “I am ready to make a submission”, and follow the prompts.
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June 17, 2018 9:03pm
- starboard
  
  fuck off mm
  
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  June 18, 2018 1:33am
Monique Watson

Before I retire hurt and give Hubby the ole Tickle and Fleece in his sleep , I have to admit I upticked Mike: Greytown: “The destination for those fleeing from Karori”.
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