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June 15, 2018 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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William of Ockham

David Farrar. Why don’t you tell your followers the truth about global warming and climate change.

You could read this first:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12070027
Brian Fallow: Carbon cuts we can bank on

… the NZIER modelling suggests that economic output will continue to grow but more slowly, so that by 2050 it will be in the range of 10 per cent to 22 per cent less than if no further action is taken on climate change.

But there are a couple of reasons not to be too alarmed by such a conclusion.

One is that the counterfactual of no action on climate change over the next 30 years is unreal. No country would get away with that, let alone one whose national brand is clean and green.

Antarctica is breaking up, article here:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/sea-level-rise-due-antarctic-ice-melt-has-tripled-over-past-five-years

Based on this report from 84 scientists:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0179-y
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June 15, 2018 8:00am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Silly willie, why don’t you foxtrot Oscar?
  Remember chaps, 6 hits and he and his nonsense disapear
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:02am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Sorry big fingers but report not reply to you.
    But I don’t think woo understands something as complex as foxtrot oscar. I think you need to suggest a long walk off a short pier instead.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:05am
- srylands
  
  “One is that the counterfactual of no action on climate change over the next 30 years is unreal.”
  
  It depends what the action is. Pursuing ruinously expensive marginal emissions reductions in New Zealand is mad. We could pay India a tiny fraction of the cost to achieve the same result.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:05am
- softail 1450
  
  W O O, I’m no more a “follower” of DF then you are you fool,fuck off.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:10am
- Justitia
  
  The Antarctic ice sheet is continually breaking up and has done so for millennia. Not so long ago there was no ice and dinosaurs roamed Antarctica amid subtropical forests. Sea levels have been rising steadily since the end of the last Ice Age, without any assistance from humans. Technology is available to sequester carbon dioxide from burning natural gas and other fossil fuels. The biggest threat to humanity is overpopulation yet this government subsidizes thousands of unwanted babies. The next Maunder minimum will occur by 2030 with a seven percent drop in solar activity which will see temperatures plummet on earth for an extended period. Food production will be severely impacted and there will be widespread famine and conflict. Something for the Greens to look forward to.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:19am
DifferentPerspective

S O L A R
M I N I M U M

It’s coming WoO who?
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June 15, 2018 8:03am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  He disappeared – how sad, never mind
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:15am
- Justitia
  
  The Antarctic ice sheet is continually breaking up and has done so for millennia. Not so long ago there was no ice and dinosaurs roamed Antarctica amid subtropical forests. Sea levels have been rising steadily since the end of the last Ice Age, without any assistance from humans. Technology is available to sequester carbon dioxide from burning natural gas and other fossil fuels. The biggest threat to humanity is overpopulation yet this government subsidizes thousands of unwanted babies. The next Maunder minimum will occur by 2030 with a seven percent drop in solar activity which will see temperatures plummet on earth for an extended period. Food production will be severely impacted and there will be widespread famine and conflict. Something for the Greens to look forward to.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:22am
  - JIV
    
    I assume that this has always been known by the warmists.
    
    They would have expected wholesale green installations all over the world by now, and when the temperature drops they will point to their windmills and say how well they’re working.
    
    Therefore more are needed, and more money please.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:42am
  - Komata
    
    Justita
    
    Re: ‘Something for the Greens to look forward to’.
    
    They will, and will gloat with undisguised glee as the ‘uneducated’ freeze to death; those who might remain after the gweens have achieved their aims of complete destuction of this country…
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:21am
    - Justitia
      
      Yes the Greens’ aim is to establish a totalitarian Marxist state. Their “greenery” is a figleaf for achieving this goal to which we move closer every day under the CoL.
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:15am
  - Justitia
    
    Just to add we may see a mini-minimum this year through 2020. Scientists have observed a virtually “spotless” sun so far in 2018. This may translate into cooler temperatures and the failure of northern hemisphere food crops this summer, not to mention a poor wine harvest. We shall see. No doubt it will be blamed on global warming. Cooling however means less evaporation off the sea and the failure of the monsoons and other seasonal rains that so much food production depends on.
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:27am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      What is interesting is that there may be a correlation between minima and volcanic eruptions. That would further enhance cooling. Hawaii and Guatemala may be coincidences, but it is worth watching.
      
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      June 15, 2018 2:16pm
  - GoVege
    
    Justitia:
    The last government subsidized unwanted babies to a greater degree than this one!
    No government dares to confront the problem of the illiterate underclass being paid to drag up unwanted babies in order to finance their bad habits.
    But if one did….they’d probably be a lot more popular than they think. 🙂
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:28pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Can you produce the evidence to back up your claim Go Vege.
      
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      June 15, 2018 4:32pm
      - GoVege
        
        HC: very simple, National was in coalition with the racist party.
        You must know how they view gangs and how their founder viewed kids having babies, surely?
        
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        June 15, 2018 5:39pm
peterwn

Just had a thought – how is the Waka Hopper bill coming along? Andy is the Minister promoting the Bill and one could hardly blame him if he leaves it at the bottom of his ‘pending’ tray in the light of the treatment he received from Winston over ‘three strikes’.
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June 15, 2018 8:05am
- KevOB
  
  Don’t wake Andy up. The Bill is best forgotten.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:13am
kowtow

The latte liberals et al keep repeating “We have too many in gaol”

What we have is a country full of scum.

‘A Taranaki Black Power boss has been found guilty of the sexual attack on the partner of his former gang prospect.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104722007/black-power-president-found-guilty-of-raping-former-prospects-partner
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June 15, 2018 8:05am
- srylands
  
  And it goes on..
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12070481
  
  “A Hastings man was enjoying his first night in a new flat when gang members jumped the fence and plunged an axe into his chest.”
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:08am
  - RF
    
    Animals……
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:40am
  - GoVege
    
    The victim asked for it!
    He allowed his property/woman to speak to a MAN.
    In gangs, women know their place, so this was a calculated insult.
    Btw: guess who’s paying for the victim’s surgery (cut to the heart/ lung etc), plus the cost of benefits for all these gang members?
    You guessed it….
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:35pm
- Lance
  
  Clearly just traffic offenders and the odd joint smoker unfairly and racially targeted as they suffer under colonialism.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  And it is OK to let them out. They will return to living with ferals and will leave the latte liberals and leafy suburbs alone. Yes, this is a view I heard from a couple of people who advocate reducing sentences etc but who have no fear of dangerous crims on the loose.
  Since ‘3 strikes’ is fairly safe until 2021, the effectiveness of ‘3 strikes’ will be better known then, and in particular whether ‘3 strikes’ has resulted in a reduction of ‘prisoner-years’ overall.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:14am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    As long as the ferals are given enough money and free shit there will be no need to steal. Wow, this COL coalition of losers are so smart
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:17am
  - ztev
    
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    No evidence criminals even consider they will be caught let alone the cumulative crime effect on sentencing let alone the ‘two warnings system’ ( better known as 3 strikes).
    
    A feature of the worst criminals is they NEVER consider the consequences for themselves or others
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:20am
    - peterwn
      
      There is heaps of anecdotal evidence that prospective crims are considering their options very carefully in the light of the ‘3 strikes’ law. It will be known in a few years time for example whether that guy who got a second strike for ‘only’ stealing a skateboard and walkman (the offender had sufficient form to have given the victim a decent hiding if the victim had not yielded so quickly) will come back for a third strike.
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:29am
      - ztev
        
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        Numbers are so small and Corrections/Justice stats are so crap its impossible to tell.
        
        Any time sentencing issues come up we find official predictions made are not just out by 5% but are sometimes orders of magnitude wrong ( ie double)
        
        TV pundits dont help by being ‘all wrong all the time’
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:26am
    - kowtow
      
      That being the case they should be disposed of early. Hang, shoot or gas. Let’s do this.
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:32am
    - VicParking
      
      You could be right. You keep posting, your keep getting downticked 30+ but you still keep coming back. “A feature of the worst trollers is they NEVER consider the consequences”
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:37am
      - GoVege
        
        Free speech, Vic, free speech… 🙂
        
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        June 15, 2018 1:38pm
    - MickMac
      
      Ztev
      
      1. The worst criminals don’t consider themselves to be bound by any laws we all live by.
      2. Similarly they do not consider other people as equal to them and therefore they can do anything to them.
      
      That’s why they need to be culled or kept in prison as long as possible.
      3S is a very fair system.
      
      National didn’t think it through (when do they ever?).
      
      As it needed a 2 tier housing system.
      Jails for 3S and facilities for those first time offenders which can be turned.
      
      It would be nice to do it all in the community but JAIL is a consequence……..
      Rehab comes after !!
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:42am
      - ztev
        
        We have 2 tier system now.
        Its called parole.
        Those that made a mistake – a biggie but they then realise it are often eleigioble for parole sooner and get it.
        The worst of the worst almost never get parole early and when they do are often recalled.
        
        part of Waikeria( not the high security section which will be rebuilt) and Tongariro prisons can be considered prison farms, where inmates learn horticulture, forestry, dairying etc as well as other trades. Only those who are low risk but longer sentences get the chance to go there.
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:32am
      - calendar girl
        
        Interesting response, ztev, so I’ve given it an up-tick. Tell us, please, where (or how) you get your information – to assist us in assessing it. Thanks.
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:49am
    - 4077th
      
      I would have thought criminals, especially those in serious cases have indeed thought of the consequences. This is demonstrated by the deviousness of the following acts..Concealing evidence, lying and suchlike. I would also suggest, why would a would be criminal wear a disguise or try to avoid camera’s? Simple answer is they don’t want get caught, thereby clearly demonstrating they know exactly what the punishment is and go out of their way to avoid it.
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:50am
      - Piniwi
        
        But 4077th you have overlooked the native “best practice” method being the code of silence where infant killers go scot free. Still no worse than some dodgy import letting her child die a horrendous death in a hot car because the infant was forgotten. Result discharge without conviction? Well we know there was a serious lack of parental conviction but that is no grounds for a free pass. Never ever met anybody who could live with that happening to a family pet let alone a helpless child. Tough on crime? They are dreaming.
        
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        June 16, 2018 1:10am
    - Komata
      
      ztev
      
      Re: ‘A feature of the worst criminals is they NEVER consider the consequences for themselves or others’
      
      Which would seem to perfectly explain the actions of your mates jacinda, winnie and the CoL.
      
      Well done; your (perhaps unintentional) honesty is to be applauded.
      
      Keep it up; it could even become a habit (you closet ‘nat supporter you…)
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:25am
      - ztev
        
        generally Im a tough one on crime, as it affects the poor the hardest, especially violence.
        Theres a lot in labour who are deluded about the sort of prisoners we have and the gang problem, so yes in some ways nationals lock them up but allow more alternative sentences works for me.
        In government national is just as easy as labour, but their recent approach has been to have a ceiling on numbers of judges, get the police to give pre charge warnings and even get the judiciary as ‘part of the the program’- which the CJ has got hot and bothered about
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:37am
      - waikatogirl
        
        National was well on the way to setting up employment training facilities such as building houses so prisoners gained qualifications while incarcerated as carpenters, painters, also farm workers, etc. This was practical rehabilitation for prisoners with no previous way of breaking their criminal lifestyle. Will the COL continue with this training or just let crims out of prison early only to recycle back through?
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:51am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Wasn’t 9 years of 3S meant to stop this sort of offending and get the crime rate down?
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:20am
  - ztev
    
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    With a dozen or less 2nd strikes warnings per year its hard to tell as certain crimes can cluster.
    Most strikes are grouped around a few offences with others rare.
    
    What is interesting is the number of murderers who have first strikes for ‘smaller crimes’ and then become liable for the harsh provisions of ‘second strike is murder’- Judges have universally called this manifestly unjust.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:30am
    - MickMac
      
      Unjust?
      
      They are criminals……
      
      That’s why 3S should be applied to all crime.
      This is New Zealand folks not Mogadishu.
      
      NZ is One of the nicest easiest societies in the world.
      If you are deliberately a criminal you should expect to get fcked over, if you don’t come right.
      
      We owe it to ALL the vulnerable people out there.
      if we don’t we are saying they don’t matter.
      That living your life and enjoying the quiet freedom of our country is subordinate to some low life predators needs.
      
      It should always be about the victims, ALWAYS.
      
      Personally I would be happy if the victims and their immediate families decided on parole.
      Now that would be community involvement…..
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:46am
      - Debbie
        
        “Personally I would be happy if the victims and their immediate families decided on parole”
        
        I appreciate your sentiment and you definitely have your heart in the right place MickMac, but in practice this would put too much pressure on the victims. They would likely end up victimised again as the offenders families, friends and associates would try to intimidate and threaten those same victims into supporting parole. Not a fantastic outcome for a victim who’s trying to rebuild their life after the last time.
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:04am
      - Nostalgia-NZ
        
        We already have restorative justice meetings, and despite what Debbie says there is no ‘standing over’ of victims from my experience, victims are invited to go but don’t have to attend. Police and relatives attend. I went to one over my daughters car being damaged and the offender ‘caught’ on cctv. His offending had escalated over a short period of time and was becoming dangerous. Don’t know if it helped but I could see where the young bloke was headed and told him. He didn’t appreciate that too much but I also told him that when he gets back in the district I’ll help him if he wants. He’s now with an ex SAS member and apparently doing better after getting out of a bad home.
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:45am
      - Debbie
        
        Nostalgia NZ I was referring to the suggestion that victims determine whether someone is elegible for parole ; not whether restorative justice is a good idea.
        
        And I can assure you that even after the man who beat me up was remanded in custody, I received abuse and pressure from his family and friends to drop the charges; while his cellmate (who I’d never heard of previously) wrote me letters telling me that he was trying to offer people money to come after me; his parents wrote to my employers trying to get me fired.
        
        I’m sure if a skinny white boy from Remuera could put the pressure on like that, then a gang member could definitely find associates to do a lot worse.
        
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        June 15, 2018 11:46am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes, and some crims are thinking twice before they misbehave. However 9 years is not long enough for the impact to be fully known. An important measure will be the number of third strikers in the next few years. If ‘3 strikes’ is a failure one would expect a surge of three strikers and an increase in prison population accordingly as they have to serve long no-parole sentences. If the portion of second strikers who go on for a third strike is low, then the prison population will ease and ‘three strikes’ will have been a success. Since the second strikers are serving ‘non parole’ sentences it will still be a few years before any significant number are released and are even in a position for a third strike.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:37am
    - ztev
      
      A dozen or so 2 strikes per year isnt enough data, its fallen a bit from the first 3 years.
      But longer sentences could mean they carry on after 8 years away?
      As well the biggest indicator of reduced offending is age. Older crims offend less often.
      But even that has been climbing, so that the drop off in their 30s has now moved to the 40s yrs of age.
      
      best indicator off a long sentence that worked was that nasty criminal Tamahere.
      hes now low risk but if he wasnt convicted of the Swedish tourists he would have gone on to murder again. That couple were his second homicide, his first was manslaughter for a young prostitute who he killed by smashing her head with a rifle butt.
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Wasn’t 9 years of 3S meant to stop this sort of offending
    
    I’ve never seen that reason presented before.
    
    3S acknowledges that nasty crimes will be committed. First strike is a warning that you will forfeit parole(early release) if you are convicted of a serious crime again.
    
    Some folks are slow learners and do go on to commit nasty second offences.
    
    And some folks are never going to give a stuff about the consequences of their violent actions.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:29am
- fernglas
  
  There are too many people in our prisons. That means we have too many people who need locking up. The question is why. Is it because we have an ethnic underclass that are born criminals? That is not tenable. Back in the 1930’s Irish Catholics were 17% of the population and over 50% of the prison population. Was that due to an excess of Protestant judges, or was it a social consequence of deprivation? Who cares. What is important is to stop offending. Whether that is achieved by social intervention or harsh penal consequences is irrelevant. The only question is whether a method of preventing offending is effective. Political stances are counter-productive. There must be an answer. The real issue is whether any of our politicians have the courage to put their ideology to one side and look at the truth. Playing political games with our futures is disgraceful. I don’t care if it’s Little, Peters or Gharahman who come up with the answer. Just please, find it for us. That’s why you’re there.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:24am
  - Justitia
    
    If you stopped paying ferals to breed the problem would take care of itself.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:30am
    - riffer
      
      Well, no, it wouldn’t, because our society requires an underclass to operate the way it does. While we continue to structure a society so that we have a narrowing middle class with members falling into the lower class we will have this issue. The secret surely lies in making the middle class as big as possible. There will always be a few rich, but we need to also say the same about the poor. By middle class, I generally mean those that are able to survive and prosper with a single main family income. For too many today, both parents work fulltime and it isn’t enough. This is causing societal pressure for those people, and forcing those who don’t have work (for a multitude of reasons – some of them nefarious) to operate outside of the prevailing legal conditions for our society.
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:02am
  - ztev
    
    very good points fernglas.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:35am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Hey ztev…. there are people here who will instinctively downtick you whatever you write. Bummer.
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:59am
  - peterwn
    
    Bill, Paula and co were genuinely working on solutions until they lost the election. Much of the good work has been thrown out of the window. Charter Schools are being closed down for ideological reasons.
    Also it would be fair to say that reformers have had decades to try and reform crims by all sorts of means including lighter sentences, but quite often to no avail. Arguably ideology of one sort or another is tending to stand in the way of reform attempts.
    Seems the ‘reformers’ and Labour politicians could not care less if there is another ‘Panmure RSA’ type incident, but ordinary people do, and Winston knows this.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:46am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Very much agree with you Peterwn.
      There is no one solution to this problem, and the National government were attacking it from a number of angles.
      I am aware of one rabid lefty who dodged every attempt by WINZ to push him into a job, but eventually they put him through a driving course and he is now a working truckie.
      The family moved from their hovel into a better rental and the kids are benefitting from warmer clothing and drier housing.
      One day he’ll realise what that “fkn John Key” did for him.
      Any day now I’m expecting to hear one of his diatribes about lazy c*nts on benefits sucking his tax up.
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:24am
  - 4077th
    
    It is definitely a social issue (I say that with a little bit of sick in my mouth) and more importantly a cultural issue as evidenced by the obviously high proportion of Maori in prison. There are some very good examples of how modern society can effect cultural change around criminal activity and punishment. Take Japan, a place where I spend a fair bit of time. Crime does exist yes but petty crime is almost unheard-of. One of the driving factors of this result is shame. If convicted of a crime in Japan it filters down to your whole family. Finding a job is near impossible and so goes for your relatives. This alone is reason enough regardless of the possible prison sentence. The other more obvious cultural difference is, Japan is almost wholly populated by Japanese and immigration to that country is also almost impossible for most. This keeps things very stable politically and culturally. Lastly, as a modern society they have learned to respect each other and others way of life. By contrast, some cultures here are driven by hate for the majority backed up by the state reinforcing those beliefs with constant pandering and apologies. Maori will continue this mindset until they can come to terms with the past and what is the future.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:06am
  - GoVege
    
    Fernglas: very interesting comparison.
    The Irish Catholics who were only 17% of the population making up over 50% of the prison population in the 30’s.
    Versus the NZ Maori who make up 17% of the population here but 50% of the prison population in the 21st century.
    The common denominator?
    They both have cultures that forbade them from using contraception (because every child is a gift from God. )
    (And a woman’s place is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. )
    
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    June 15, 2018 2:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

Walked past the TV which has TV1 going. Am I watching the news, or watching the moari channel?
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June 15, 2018 8:05am
- softail 1450
  
  steve NS, Jack lame is inventing a new language ,its called pakemoodie, what a limp wristed beta male that guy is.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:14am
  - igm
    
    soft: Is the effeminate little wimp related to Hipkins?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:17am
    - softail 1450
      
      igm ,yeah you are right ,virtue signalling tosser he is.
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  Are they based in Maori Wellington?
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:16am
- Harkman
  
  You’ve entered a whole new world my friend, a politically correct, neo-Marxist world and you can never leave.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  Walking past TV1 is dangerous for your mental health.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:41am
kowtow

European politicians and their importation of the religion of peace has made the continent a very dangerous place.

‘A suspected Islamic extremist arrested in Cologne had succeeded in making ricin and was planning a “biological weapon attack” in Germany, prosecutors said yesterday (THU).’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/14/islamist-extremist-ricin-plot-foiled-german-police/
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June 15, 2018 8:08am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes… and leaders of the opposition in NZ who put on silly hats and go to lick Muslims’ arses here do no better than European politicians either. Just saying…
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:14am
  - ztev
    
    You mean ‘Emir Bridges’
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/06/faces-of-the-day-71/
    
    he was out Treadeauing Treadeau
    
    Special event where the women were greeted separately….. wait the women wernt even allowed to attend ?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:40am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes that’s the one. Pathetic appeasing softcock. Twerp.
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:46am
    - MickMac
      
      shit I’ve just up ticked Ztev!
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:50am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes…. but you have to admit that his comment in this instance was right on.
        
        Just because he’s a leftie, it doesn’t mean that he wants to encourage Islam to take over our country. There are limits.
        
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        June 15, 2018 8:55am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Upticked Ztev☺
      
      Same page
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:21am
      - Longknives
        
        Is there more than one Ztev? Today’s version seems a lot more sensible and balanced than usual…
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:07am
      - sooty
        
        There is one real nasty one.
        
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        June 15, 2018 12:18pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Yes ,I haven’t down ticked any. Seems very reasonable today. Worried.
        
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        June 15, 2018 2:23pm
      - Piniwi
        
        FFS RR don’t encourage the little arse wipe just the mandatory down tick is sufficient.
        
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        June 16, 2018 1:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That’s relatively impressive, most of Muslim population of world have IQ’s in bottom 10% of 1st world (below 85), and have wasted much educational capacity on Quran. Perhaps he found a good cookbook.
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:01am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Large % product of inbreeding too.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:22am
  - VicParking
    
    “The Complete Book of Pork Butchering, Smoking, Curing, Sausage Making, and Cooking” by Philip Hasheider Or “Cooking Bacon” by James Villas.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:53am
Paulus

Would I be out of turn in suggesting the the Terrible Twins – one Winston Peters and Shane Jones are treating both the Parliament and the Country in contempt, as part of a daily piece of a game.
Surely they are appear to be out to embarrass the Cindy Labour Party and the so called Prime Minister who they appointed as a part of their game.
Robertson is trying again, again, to suggest that he is in charge but with two Maori reprobates he is most unsuccessful.
Destabilisation by innuendo is the way to go.
And the so called media love it.
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June 15, 2018 8:09am
- VicParking
  
  I notice yesterday they did not ask Winston any questions. I good ploy, starve Winston of a voice in Parliment. There are Plently of Ministers to attack. It like shooting rats in a barrel.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:44am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right VP so the old drunk is left with still attempting his inept attempts at humour as he rounds off everything with a quip. Now it is a race between him and the gabby Jones to see who is the stupidest of the two. The highest priced funniest TV we can have for free where the price is extracted elsewhere.
    
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    June 16, 2018 1:27am
secondcumming

*ALLAH’S DISCIPLES*

The Daily Mail has tweeted a link to their front page story relating to the sentencing of the *UK Child Sex Gang*…..some of the readers comments are classic!

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1006871575579242496

(CAUTION: strong language and views expressed may be offensive to Muslims)
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June 15, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  Meanwhile Soros Guardian keeps suppressing news.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:15am
Inandout

Judith called Phil a ‘porer’ this morning, because we have all seen him continually touching her on Garner. I used to work with a creepy touchy type, and he was universally disliked.
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June 15, 2018 8:10am
- Lance
  
  Even Garner is openly mocking Phils empty promises and pinhead dancing this morning.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:13am
  - Piniwi
    
    @Lance saying it works even better with only having Judith in the room from 800 add kms away.
    
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    June 16, 2018 1:30am
- KevOB
  
  More to come?
  The dirt will seep out of the cracks.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:15am
- pdm
  
  Inandout – would that not be pawer?
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:37am
  - Inandout
    
    Yep you are correct. Phil doesn’t really pore over any documents, but he does touchy pawer things.
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:20am
    - pdm
      
      I think his pores may be oozing with the pounding he is getting at the moment.
      
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      June 15, 2018 1:15pm
- redeye
  
  And Phil’s response was she should be grateful for the attention. Imagine if a white male National MP had said that to a left female MP. Cindy would be waving her boney finger, Mau would be claiming a metoo moment, and Marvelly’s twitter account would explode.
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:16am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Anyone remember how touching a ponytail was sexual abuse? Better put Phool on the register.
    
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    June 15, 2018 11:38am
waikatogirl

Health minister David Clarke has been outed as trying to gag senior staff and board members and dangling employment to people to keep them quiet. Clarke accused National not doing their job over the sewage in the walls. Clarke has been exposed by himself, leaving a voicemail, and had received text messages from board members about receiving papers he’d denied. Jamie-Lee Ross says there is more to come…
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June 15, 2018 8:16am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Prepare for a flurry of “whatabouts” when ztev leaves his politburo briefing.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:22am
- oldgolfer
  
  I’ll look forward to that. We may not have heard Clare’s message to Griffin, but so nice to hear this one.
  Tick tock.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:35am
- ztev
  
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  Since when little jamie been nationals health guy?
  
  Has Woodhouse been demoted again ?
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:02am
  - 4077th
    
    lol.. is that all you got funny man?
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:35am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You seem disappointed that the National line up has a depth of competent people.
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:15am
    - Piniwi
      
      Touché Shaun the Sheep but keep your wool on for the winter months if you would like that is to say. Even Garner made comment on the shallowness of the COL talent pool this morning in the easy way he throws in his little switches in the commentary.
      
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      June 16, 2018 1:35am
  - Harkman
    
    How’s that Twyford turning out for you?
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:19pm
Tauhei Notts

If you are going to the Fieldays allow yourself plenty of time for traffic queues.
I left Fieldays at 3.35 p.m. yesterday to allow myself heaps of time to get to a Matamata 5.30 appointment. I got to Matamata at 6.25p.m. That is merely 45 kilometres away!
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June 15, 2018 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  Bio security?
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:47am
- MickMac
  
  just don’t book stuff on field days days……
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:51am
Monique Watson

Got dead bodies then the urge is to shove the gag in: Because everyone spills out the truth with the last breath.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12070966
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June 15, 2018 8:18am
Salacious Crumb

So David Parker caught out for the lying little weasel he is over the Middlemore building issue and departure of the DHB Chair. This time there are voicemails and texts of which, according to Jamie Lee-Ross there is more to come.
Based on previous form, will the incompetent Ardern now deflect by announcing the closure of another major industry? Tourism this time perhaps?
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June 15, 2018 8:18am
- Lance
  
  Maybe Cindy could continue the line that David was merely voicing a private opinion at the time and that it had nothing to do with his ministerial role?
  
  This CoL is beyond mindless
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:21am
- ztev
  
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  There is a whole history since 2014 of Middlemore building issues, even of some patients getting sick from sewage
  
  Heres proof
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/353747/hospital-rot-sewage-leaks-linked-to-2014-outbreak
  Counties Manukau District Health Board has linked raw sewage leaking out of pipes to a bad bacteria outbreak at Middlemore Hospital in 2014.
  
  fact free this morning are you crumb
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:08am
  - 4077th
    
    What has this got to do with Parkers blatant lies and corrupt act? Yeah, nothing..LOOK a squirrel…
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:38am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Clark, not Parker. Also wasn’t there a whole lot of unspent money in a capital budget that could have been used if there really was a problem?
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:49am
      - 4077th
        
        Bugger 🙁
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:53am
    - ztev
      
      Whos Parker, isnt he attorney general
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:01am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Yes my mistake. Got my lying weasels mixed up.
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:05am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Maybe CMDHB should have been spending their money on building maintenance instead wasting it on junkets.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12066998
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:19am
- Piniwi
  
  @Salacious Crumb so funny you would pick Tourism as they have obviously done a few sums and have figured that tourists can be a soft option for heavy taxes. They have slapped another tourist tax of $35 on them but we wonder how the Media party get so confused when we read: “The Tourism Minister said the $3.8 million international visitors that arrive in New Zealand every year, is expected to grow to $5.1 million by 2024”. (Cut & Paste) While we can understand that the COL see them as a dollar figure we would expect the Media party to at least to know the difference between a body and a buck. Trained and skilled journalist or could it be simply presented as provided to them by the COL? The answer to this and all other question raised this week will be referred to the appropriate expert panel.
  
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  June 16, 2018 1:48am
softail 1450

We seriously need Judith Collins to take the reigns at the opposition benches and i personally didn’t like her in the past.
Simon is just to nice for the job…
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June 15, 2018 8:18am
- Paulus
  
  Have actually been disappointed with Judith Collins in listening to her recently.
  She is a forceful intelligent person but speaks very quietly against media interview interference and does not have what she may once have had a forceful opinion assisted by a strong voice.
  Speak up Judith please – get more feral with the lying Ministers, ably assisted their mates the media.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Poor old Judith can’t win Paulus. She was slammed for being brash and arrogant so she has spent the last 5 years coming across as softer and calm to appease those who don’t like forceful women. Now we are getting calls for her to show “forceful opinion assisted by a strong voice.”
    ?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:34am
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      Softer and calm ?
      But still has a ‘resting bitch face’ on TV
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:12am
      - waikatogirl
        
        That’s a very misogynistic comment ztev.
        Give yourself an uppercut! ?
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:40am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Good to know that attacks on appearance have Fraser-house’s approval Ztev. Will feel much less bad about the targeting of Woods and Ardern now.
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:54am
      - Prince
        
        Disgusted that the Speaker should be so sexist.
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:03am
      - Duxton
        
        Sorry ztev: are you talking about the Morrinsville Root-bag? I didn’t realise the topic had changed.
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:04pm
  - VicParking
    
    No Paulus yelling at someone does not result in any outcome. A “forceful opinion assisted by a strong voice” does not work. Show empathy for your opponent, put your case forward in a clear and concise manner. Let them rant and rage and undertake personality attacks. You will always come out on top in the view of the observer (The voters).
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:54am
    - tf78
      
      Totally agree – shouty and judgy doesn’t work.
      
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      June 15, 2018 9:06am
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps softail but it is the left that struggle to find a leader while providing a great road show for the spectators. Simon was starting to improve but might jumped the shark again by writing to the silly little girl as well as the bat shit crazy Shaw regarding bipartisan contribution to Shaw’s Zero emissions folly. On one hand they can not let it be allowed to them to stream roll the country to a reduced economic shadow of what might be so need to be involved. On the other hand this is a one term Government and he is doing this from a position of weakness. Better to bide his time and scrap this garbage from Shaw and start afresh with a realistic plan to emission reductions. Remembering the O&G captains call will be rolled back and future gas reserves that might otherwise go undiscovered will play a very big roll in any transition from fossil fuel. With gas dominating the resources uncovered it may well be the jewel in the NZ crown that may facilitate change in a realistically fiscal responsible manner. Even as a commodity it is too valuable to ignore and could quite conceivably fund much of the change that will be so important to future generations.
  While we watch the COL wrecking the immediate future they will never dampen the Kiwi spirit that has built what we have today. The left are devoted to their claims of knowing what is best for the people but at the end of the day they fail completely to engage with the real people who make the country what it is.
  
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  June 16, 2018 2:14am
mandk

Did someone say that cannabis never killed anyone?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104666411/drugimpaired-drivers-now-involved-in-more-fatal-crashes-than-drinkdrivers
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June 15, 2018 8:19am
- 4077th
  
  “Drivers who had taken prescription medications above recommended levels, or those known to impair driving, were included in the figures. But the two most commonly-detected drugs (excluding alcohol) were cannabis and methamphetamine”.
  
  Anyone driving under the influence of any drug is a disgusting act of selfishness. BUT.. I would like to see the numbers and breakdown of the drugs mentioned in the statement above made by the AA. What is also notable is it seems it is no coincidence that JAG appears in this.
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:47am
  - Piniwi
    
    Crazy 4077th when with the simplest of recording all the pertinent details of a fatality could be assembled into a easy read spread sheet could tell a full and detailed assessment of causes. As we have seen every road death has a serious accident unit involved where we expect every detail is recorded. In fact their presence on the scene can lead to some serious delays to traffic and a big increase in rubber necking. Blood tests of the victims are surely taken to screen for drugs, alcohol, medication or individual variances in the deceased. If not why not when there is a special unit operating in the system. There are no privacy or even PC issues that can limit the gathering of this critical information. The goal is not the individual data but the collected cumulative results that will be invaluable in finding measure to minimise road deaths. Sure there is no quantitate measure for stupidity but driver age and experience will also be a factor for inclusion. It is the cumulative value that will make this an invaluable tool for doing things better that it is done at present. Rather than a lot of glib garbage from the likes of JAG who rides a bike for goodness sake.
    
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    June 16, 2018 2:32am
Lee C

I voted in this: it was at 63% not confident in the Government when I joined in.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/06/poll-do-you-have-confidence-in-this-government.html
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June 15, 2018 8:20am
- oldgolfer
  
  66 now, and rising.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:37am
- Justitia
  
  Thanks for this. Now 66%.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:37am
- 4077th
  
  Seems by alerting us, the Lefties are reversing it to 64% Still, if an election were held today, NZF and the Greens would be gone and National would have a healthy majority. 🙂
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:49am
- riffer
  
  Not really scientific though, is it?
  
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  June 15, 2018 10:09am
  - 4077th
    
    But is is well known 3 News has always been the media go-to of the left although of late, Little Tame Jack seems to be hoarding his own little club of what used to be John Campbell’s sycophants..,but I digress, 64% is pretty high given the traditional TV3 viewer base but as you suggest, not necessarily scientific but telling none the less. If it were 64% in favour would it continue to be “not really scientific” ?
    
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    June 15, 2018 11:30am
    - Piniwi
      
      Sadly 4077th as I sit here at 10.33pm being 2.33am tomorrow in NZ there has obviously been a signal sent out from Fraser House to rally the troops as it has eased to 61%. However with the difference being at 39% we see it settling to about where Labour were in the election before being anointed by the old drunk. Sixty odd per cent is a sad commentary on this bunch of fools. With the worst yet to come as the old drunk tries to drive under the influence of power if not the spirit. Let the forze fours oh whatever be with you.
      
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      June 16, 2018 2:42am
Gravelroad

What’s this about boring a new tunnel into the Pike mIne to retrieve the deceased?
Is this for real? Planned, engineering scoped, and budgeted for?
This is another instance of the CoL making policy as they go along with no rational thought for the consequences.
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June 15, 2018 8:21am
- Lance
  
  So how many billion $$$ is going into this sort of ‘solution’?
  Cause these are MAJOR undertakings
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:23am
  - lifesgood
    
    What bloody lunatics! Do they seriously think those miners are still alive? Why else would you waste that sort of money? Are all those thousands of homeless now housed? Oh, that’s right, there never were thousands of homeless.
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:27am
    - sooty
      
      Are Labour going to push for a new RMA?
      
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      June 15, 2018 12:24pm
- softail 1450
  
  Gravelroad, they spent weeks drilling a 4 inch hole down from the top of the mine so they could put a camera down and have a look .
  The drill operator said it was one of the hardest rocks he’d ever come up against.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:29am
  - RF
    
    Agree. Heard that as well.
    
    All the expense to recover what remains of 29 miners so you can rebury them. I hear rats frequent the mines so that’s another problem for body recovery.
    
    Am I missing something..
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:53am
- Piniwi
  
  But Gravelroad imagine what a spectacle might be provided when they get to the breakthrough point. The cost would be almost as spectacular. They really must have some fantastic advisors obviously taking time out from playing video games where is all good when things go bad. Just hit play again and up pops another player.
  
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  June 16, 2018 2:47am
Monique Watson

I’m pretty sure I met this guy;

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12070651

IHeh heh, If it wasn’t him it was his cousin. I was twenty-four. And now I have to go be respectable.
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June 15, 2018 8:22am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  He said one of them was not Meryll Streep. Pity, it might shut her mouth up.
  He also knows Stormy Daniels well?
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:30am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggy,
  I linked to that story about the longest dick and was amused that the PwC logo appeared at the top of the article.
  It must be true that PwC stands for Pricks With Calculators
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggy,
    
    Heck, I’m not Monique.
    
    I’m from the other side of the Taranaki Border.
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:08am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Silly error. Sorry about that.
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:20am
- Longknives
  
  “Heh heh, If it wasn’t him it was his cousin. I was twenty-four.”
  
  Well we were at Otago University at the same time Monique! But I’m pretty sure I’d have remembered such a romantic encounter…
  
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  June 15, 2018 10:12am
secondcumming

*MORNING TRIVIA*

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1007356109831725058
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June 15, 2018 8:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  I think you should reconsider your moniker here
  secondc……g.
  Bit suggestive isn’t it? A tad lewd even?!
  Tsk tsk.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:34am
  - Monique Watson
    
    It’s the First Coming. Because if you ain’t coming then you ain’t nothing.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:18am
  - secondcumming
    
    You got anything else to worry about Gravelrash? Lol !!
    As the second son of John Patrick Cumming, I’m proud to be known as that.
    
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    June 15, 2018 11:59am
oldpark

In the Fonterra fiasco and bullying comments by the two clowns Shane Jones and NZS self styled Dictator Peters saying heads should roll. Hopefully theirs.
Both clowns are obviously brain dead with their kneecapping gutter comments.
Peters Party are running true to form with such threatening comments against a perfectly elected and legal Company.
Going back some time ago when Jones put the boot into Countdown with his manifest lies regarding another Legal Company. Completely exonerated in an inquiry.
Now his attacking perfectly legal NZ businesses
have become his forte. Last count it was Warehouse,Air New Zealand now Fonterra not forgetting Countdown.
NZs business should be afraid very afraid to think that sicko clowns like Jones and Peters can run roughshod over the legal rights of so many NZs employers without any fear of recrimination by their boss .
Of course “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern selected as NZs PM by Peters ,if she interfered would also gets the bums rush, just like the named company’s have been getting by two bullying clowns Peters and Jones.Watch this space seems there is a lot more bullying to come in the next few weeks.
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June 15, 2018 8:24am
- marcw
  
  Now that Ardern has (helpfully) thrown tugger Jones under the bus by going on air nationally and stating that he was “absolutely” speaking in a private capacity, that his opinion was not COL policy, and that he was “absolutely” not speaking as a Minister … can the Chairman of Fonterra now do a Sir Bob on this pompous narcissist and serve him with defamation papers for implying – actually, categorically stating – he was not good at his job?
  
  Please, please Mr Wilson, do this. Jones will not be able to call on the taxpayers to finance his defence after the Princess’s public denials, so a bit of expensive personal lawfare will help to shut the buffoon up. I’m sure Fonterra can afford this bit of payback.
  
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  June 15, 2018 10:52am
  - Piniwi
    
    Also marcw it was first said A) outside the boundary of the House where Parliamentary Privilege does not apply and B) might be deemed to be a private opinion (by the silly little girl) but was reported as being said by the Minister of Native Tree planters or whatever title he claims. So it could be game on if the option was exercised. The old drunk is as we might expect bullet proof with his confirmation of Jones sentiments as they were in the hallowed walls of protection. No sense in having a dog and barking yourself is there.
    
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    June 16, 2018 3:02am
Lee C

Clark ‘shit on the walls’ has been caught out trying to strong-arm a DHB by threatening his job if he does not maintain Clark’s political message to the media.
Unlike so many previous accusations and counter-accusations and sniffy assumptions about who said what, this is evidenced on tape in the Herald today.

He is a nasty piece of work.
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June 15, 2018 8:26am
- G152
  
  You get that with religion.
  And those who stand at gravesides pontificating
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:50am
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Now is the POTUS”s turn. The tarnish has now gone off the Prince of Peace as the New York Attorney’s office investigate Trump and his families dipping into their own charities allegations,

New York attorney general sues to close Trump Foundation over ‘misuse of charitable assets’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/14/new-york-attorney-general-sues-close-trump-foundation-misuse/

Shocking! ain’t it!
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June 15, 2018 8:28am
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy,,,lying again.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
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    No. The report is from the conservative Daily Telegraph. Will this Daily Mail suffice ,
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5844653/New-York-attorney-general-sues-Trumps-family-charity-persistent-illegal-conduct.html
    
    Happy?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:38am
  - 4077th
    
    Hahaha… Stephanie in FULL TDS mode this morning 🙂 Reminds me of this….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PKQE8FM2Uw
    
    It;’s not going away… LOL
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:06am
- Harkman
  
  The NY Attorney General is a Democrat attack dog, yet they’d be better off investigating themselves.
  
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  June 15, 2018 10:09am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The week the IG report comes out?
  Were any squirrels harmed in the filing of this action?
  
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  June 15, 2018 10:26am
- Scott
  
  The mainstream media will always find reasons to bash Donald Trump. However on the president’s 72nd birthday reasonable people can look at his long list of accomplishments. An historic peace deal with North Korea. The United States economy growing steadily at close to 3% growth. The unemployment rate in the United States now at a 44 year low!
  
  While here in New Zealand our mainstream media tell us that Trump is an idiot and Jacinda is a wonderful warm human being and a blessing to our nation. This is while our government is doing its very best to drive the regions, such as Taranaki, into recession by single-handedly destroying the energy sector and now turning its jaundiced eye onto the dairy industry.
  
  But apparently according to the Liberals in the mainstream media we are blessed with Jacinda and Donald Trump is the idiot.
  
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  June 15, 2018 11:06am
  - Brigitte
    
    I’m not sure why there is this universal love for Trump. Okay, you might approve of some of his policies but how about thinking through the facts before saying everything he does is brilliant.
    
    After all, he’s slapped tariffs on our aluminium and steel export industries. Why? We hardly have a massive trade surplus nor punitive tariffs on them. So it must be the official reason for the tariffs – we’re a National Security threat to the US. Make me laugh.
    
    How about being a Kiwi first and calling out your “gods” when they aren’t so crash hot.
    
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    June 15, 2018 11:26am
    - Scott
      
      Brigitte, has he put tariffs on us? That’s not been reported that I’ve seen. And what steel exports to USA do we have? Evidence please.
      
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      June 15, 2018 2:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott , evidently Trump has or not to excluded us from his insane trade wars,
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/103584028/us-decision-to-not-exclude-new-zealand-from-steel-and-aluminium-tariffs-churlish-ema-says
        
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        June 15, 2018 2:14pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Sadly Scott it seems it will be 2000 cuts for this COL to die instead of the 1000 they have racked up already. There is a golden rule in there somewhere involving MPs/time in power/level of havoc created = cost to the nations people. The SLG scale perhaps.
    
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    June 16, 2018 3:10am
- Sideoiler
  
  ……..York Attorney’s office investigate Trump and his families dipping into their own charities allegations,….
  
  Hell on the bassis of those allegations, Hillary should be shitting her pants!
  
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  June 15, 2018 11:52am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Abuse of power and corruption at the highest levels of the FBI to protect HRC from being indicted.
    Numerous failures by the DOJ and the FBI.
    Trump totally vindicated over firing Comey.
    Clinton and Comey both using private server for conducting email business. No wonder Comey was willing to exonerate Clinton when he was guilty of the same thing. FBI denied that Clinton’s server containing secret information had been accessed by foreign actors, despite knowing that was untrue.
    Yet despite blatant bias from Strzok and other FBI agents, Mueller still cannot find any shred of evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians as alleged by Rosenstein.
    
    Tickets to games, and dinners given to FBI officers and paid for by the media who were receiving leaks from ‘I can’t think where’
    
    Eighteen violations of the law by Hillary Clinton and the FBI can’t prove any of it?
    Incontrovertible destruction of evidence by Clinton. 33,000 missing emails and an acid-washed server.
    
    Where’s the resident galah on this?
    Fussing about some nonsense the NY Attorney General and a nickel and dime charity.
    
    Let’s see how you can spin this to make Trump the corrupt one.
    
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    June 15, 2018 2:27pm
Paulus

How can Clark be a nasty piece of work – he is a man of the cloth therefore beyond reproach.
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June 15, 2018 8:28am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  “It’s possible to be a Politician without telling lies”
  Who said that?
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    That must include Donnie Trump!
    
    Correct?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:42am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Sqwark
      Trumpeters
      Alt-right
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “I believe it is possible to exist in politics without lying and by telling the truth”. – Jacinda Ardern
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPJ1MO-kT0g
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, with you as a role model anything is possible!
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:43pm
kowtow

Islamic love.

South Africa and Mozambique. Not much reporting . I suppose that would be “racist”

‘Neighbouring Mozambique has been rocked by a wave of attacks blamed on jihadists in recent months.

Since October around 30 people have been killed with knives and machetes in the country’s far north, a region that has been earmarked as a potential hub for natural gas exploration.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/14/two-killed-two-injured-attack-mosque-south-africa/
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June 15, 2018 8:30am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, so the Muslim Clerics, their worshippers from the Mosque and the rest of the Muslim community are all responsible for the knife attack?
  
  DIH !
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:36am
  - Longknives
    
    “So the Muslim Clerics, their worshippers from the Mosque and the rest of the Muslim community are all responsible for the knife attack?”
    
    Yup.
    I’m a White Male- I get blamed and slammed in the Media daily for everything from Colonisation to Slavery.
    So Muslims can at least take ownership of their Terrorism..
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:14am
    - stephieboy
      
      Longknines , does it affect you that badly?
      
      It is not their terrorism any more than Sinn Fein and the IRA was Ireland’s responsibility.
      
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      June 15, 2018 2:07pm
billmurray

Just watched Nikki Haley at the UN slamming into the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict.
Youtube.
Future President making waves.
Well done to her.
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June 15, 2018 8:57am
VicParking

Is Kiwiblog under some form of cyber attack (denial of service). It suddenly become so slow and unreactive them comes right again. Not my connections which are strong 100 mbs+. Have noticed this over this week.
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June 15, 2018 9:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  Me too Vic. It’s as slow as a wet week.
  Can we blame the COL for this too?! ?
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:18am
  - ztev
    
    You are hitting peak load for ISPs as offices open for the day and their emails are checked.
    
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    June 15, 2018 10:03am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      That’s bullshit ztev as kiwiblog is the only site it happens with.
      Glad it’s not just me.
      
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      June 15, 2018 11:50am
      - Ross12
        
        That is my experience as well CM but it appears to happen at certain times of the day –not just office opening hours, as ztev says. I have tried to check by looking at other blogs or news sites at the time but like you I do not get any issues.
        
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        June 15, 2018 2:33pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps waikatogirl it is that pesky P problem that is creating the lag. Popularity that is. DPF has been giving out a lot of meat to munch on and today there was Greens to go with it. A quick look at the numbers shows it is a busy line so to speak putting aside the troll count naturally. However from a far now of 6000km away some NZ links do have loading issues which is often dragged down by heavy ad levels or lagging “script”.
    
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    June 16, 2018 3:20am
- 4077th
  
  Yep, was like this yesterday afternoon. Could not post.
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:58am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I started getting it yesterday morning. Dirty Politics?
    
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    June 15, 2018 12:32pm
    - 4077th
      
      Has Kim..I mean Rawshark run out of money?
      
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      June 15, 2018 1:15pm
    - Piniwi
      
      @hullkiwi it might also be some of the bloat collected as it is spewed out to you link/isp when even a brief amount of surfing or net activity can attract almost half a GB of trash.
      
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      June 16, 2018 3:26am
- simpleton1
  
  For kiwiblog.
  Very intermittent, slow, then ok. etc. then not responding etc…
  Sometimes refresh works, but not always.
  Sometimes close the site and then return, sometimes successful.
  
  Other sites are ok.
  
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  June 15, 2018 12:35pm
Monique Watson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6RFccBmqM4

You’re possibly a dickhead, Clark. Last person that knows it, is you.
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June 15, 2018 9:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  ? ?
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:13pm
hullkiwi

Geez that David Parker is a prick.

In giving justification for Peters to sue government bureaucrats & 2 ministers of the former govt., he could not help himself.
He is meant to be acting as the government’s defence lawyer, but in answer to media questions he was talking of Peters right to investigate the “political skulduggery in leaking of Peter’s superannuation details”. To reinforce his hint that National party ministers were responsible he then points to the settlement paid to Hager & inferred that National politicians had been involved. He then rounded off that Peters’ action should be welcomed if it helps to clean up government.

Let’s get this right.
1. It was Peters who told the press about his superannuation. This based on reports the press had the story;
2. Despite initiated writs for discovery, Peters has not been able to determine who (if anyone, he has chased) leaked his story.
3. So, the only person to defame Peter’s, was peters;
4. As for Hager, when did this person, suddenly become a journalist with integrity? He wrote a book based on stolen communications, and on some instances jumped to erroneous conclusions and has not retracted them despite being shown to be wrong.

In conclusion, how can NZers have confidence in Parker, if given yesterday’s press conference as an example, he is going to shoot his mouth off, every time a microphone is pointed in his direction?
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June 15, 2018 10:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  Question for someone like Peterwn.
  
  Could Tolley & Bennett sue Parker for his comments to the press last night (& as reported over the last 24 hours)?
  
  Although Parker is Attorney General, it could be argued his comments were not in his capacity as Attorney General. Secondly, he was not making the comments in the debating chamber, so he is not protected by privilege.
  
  Therefore, could Tolley, Bennett (and potentially other National MPs past & present) sue David Parker for his comments to the media about Peters’ case?
  
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  June 15, 2018 12:40pm
  - peterwn
    
    Comments seem fairly general and are of the ‘if the hat fits wear it’ type. Does not seem defamatory to me.
    I would take his comment as meaning that he will just let the Solicitor General get on with defending it. He would hopefully bear in mind that current COL Ministers would also be susceptible to being sued when no longer Ministers and would expect Crown Law to defend them.
    
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    June 15, 2018 4:04pm
BeaB

Can you imagine the outrage and uproar if a National minister had told a woman MP she should be ‘grateful for any attention she can get’ as Twyford told Judith Collins this morning.
Mind you, when Labour does not, according to Andrew Little, consider indecent assault a violent offence (and calls a painful, prolonged gripping of a woman’s buttocks a ‘pinch’), we should be very afraid.
This is a government made up of lots of people who talk talk talk but now they are in government their principles and integrity fly out the window.
It is not only business that has to live in a state of uncertainty – we are all at risk.
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June 15, 2018 10:26am
- sooty
  
  Twitford must be a graduate from Labours sex camp. With that condom on hs head, he would fit right in.
  
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  June 15, 2018 1:35pm
mandk

I was over at interest.co.nz and I spotted an advert for the Prime Minster’s Business Scholarships.

Evidently, you can win a summer job working at the Morrinsville Fish and Chip shop.
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June 15, 2018 10:27am
MCos

I really don’t think NZ 1st gives a bag of beans what people on this forum say about them. They know this isn’t where there support lies.
Come the next election, if the polls are any indication, they are currently heading for the waste disposal if they don’t make a mark.
Apart from all that they may not be too far off the mark with their criticism of Fonterra.
Fonterra is virtually a monopoly of a crucial export industry. Wherever her fortunes go NZ follows.
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June 15, 2018 11:20am
rangitoto

So UK Labour is much like Labour here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5846099/Labour-Party-accused-covering-string-sex-claims.html
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June 15, 2018 11:35am
Jack5

Diversity dividend!

Three Chinese residents charged with ripping off banksters for tens of millions (a fourth Chinese sought has fled to China).

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12069908
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June 15, 2018 11:52am
- Inandout
  
  If a banker is a ‘bankster’ is an insurance company a ‘insurester’ or a dentist a ‘dentister’?
  
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  June 15, 2018 12:18pm
  - gump
    
    Not all bankers are banksters.
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:14pm
    - Jack5
      
      You’re right Gump. But bankster’s a great word for some of them.
      
      Here’s a definition of “bankster” from the Online Urban Dictionary:
      
      A portmanteau of “banker” and “gangster”, popularised by (among others) the economist Murray N. Rothbard, used by him to attack what he held to be the inherently fraudulent nature of fractional-reserve banking (as opposed to 100% gold reserve banking, which he defended as the only honest form of banking).
      
      Sorry, Social Creditors: Meanwhile, at the weekend, the Swiss Vollgeld vote rejected, by about three to one, a reform of the Swiss banking system that aimed to bring money creation (fractional reserve private banking) under the aegis of a public body, rather than be done by private banks.
      
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      June 15, 2018 3:40pm
Fletch

I heard on the radio this morning that the Govt is going to introduce a new tax of $35 for anyone overseas wanting the pleasure of entering the country (Australia and the Islands exempted). The guy they had an audio quote from said that visitors would happily pay it because it wasn’t too onerous.

How many other new taxes are these people going to come up with?

[edit] found the story link – http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/359649/tourist-tax-up-to-35-to-be-charged
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June 15, 2018 12:30pm
- sooty
  
  How do you define a tourist from a visitor?
  
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  June 15, 2018 1:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , so who pays for the Tourist infrastructure as was discussed on RNZ this morning at the McKenzie basin with say rubbish disposal, accommodation etc?
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/359649/tourist-tax-up-to-35-to-be-charged
  
  A $35.00 tax will crush the finances of most tourists?
  
  Many in the industry says its not enough?
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:01pm
Manolo

Mamma Merkel is in trouble:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5844899/German-Chancellor-Angela-Merkel-pressure-immigration-row.html

German Chancellor Angela Merkel faced a tense showdown Thursday within her divided conservative camp over the flashpoint issue of immigration that could threaten her political future.

Merkel was confronted with an open rebellion by her hardline Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, long a fierce critic of her liberal stance on refugees who wants to toughen border controls.
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June 15, 2018 12:31pm
Fletch

Meanwhile, the price of everything is set to increase –

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503079&gal_cid=1503079&gallery_id=194505

Jacinda & co should be taking a tip from Donald Trump and reducing taxes. You can’t tax a country into prosperity.
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June 15, 2018 12:32pm
- sooty
  
  Labour are busy trying!
  
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  June 15, 2018 1:31pm
Johnboy

I hope all you racist bastards have celebrated Matariki day in a culturally sensitive manner?
I have. I went to Whitcoulls and bought a Vivid Blue 12 pack! 🙂
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June 15, 2018 12:36pm
- Fletch
  
  In honor(?) of Matariki I played this –
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibjkqNbj23M
  
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  June 15, 2018 12:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Countdown will be plastering Maori all over the place. At least most New World shops are owner operated.
  
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  June 15, 2018 12:43pm
  - KevOB
    
    I hope they get the grammar and spelling right–not more pidgin Maori.
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:38pm
    - cha
      
      Yet here you are using English, the universal pidgin.
      
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      June 15, 2018 1:42pm
- rangitoto
  
  I’m a Puanga man myself.
  
  http://www.puanga.org.nz/pages/puanga.php
  
  Down with the Matarikisters.
  
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  June 15, 2018 1:30pm
- Paulus
  
  But today is more fortuitous than Matariki – albeit the Pleiades are from time immemorial.
  Today in 1215 (BM before Maori) The Magna Carta was signed by King John at Runneymede, near Windsor, on the Thames.
  This is our founding document.
  
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  June 15, 2018 1:36pm
  - KevOB
    
    True. Teach it to the COL what it means to in Government.
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:40pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Paulus, the Maori arrived here c 1300 AD and must have preexisted that time.
    
    Different cultures have had their own name for the Pleiades.
    
    For example in India,Krittika: – India – the seven nurses/maidens
    
    The Treaty of Waitangi is our founding document.
    
    Your point?
    
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    June 15, 2018 1:50pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Subaru is the Japanese name for the Pleiades star cluster, which in turn inspires the Subaru logo.
      
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      June 15, 2018 3:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        And in Stephiestan, it’s the Seven Fresh Goats.
        
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        June 15, 2018 4:01pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Happy Magna Carta day!
    We should celebrate the signing of such an important document.
    
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    June 15, 2018 2:25pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Wait until Subaru find out that Moari plagiarised their brand named after the constellation. They gave it a funny made up name so it’s OK?
  
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  June 15, 2018 4:03pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Somehow I don’t think that “Matariki Forester” has quite the same ring to it…
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:45pm
Fletch

A “prominent Kiwi entertainer” is up on domestic abuse charges. I wonder if we’re allowed to speculate?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12071448&ref=NZH_fb
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June 15, 2018 1:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch . have ago at likely defaming.
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:10pm
  - starboard
    
    speak english you fucktard.
    
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    June 15, 2018 2:26pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, we could do with a ~~Stephurdu,~~ ~~Stepherati,~~ ~~Stephieskrit~~ – fuck it, Stephiestani interpreter for the gibberish of the Stephiestani Trolls Ltd syndicate.
      
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      June 15, 2018 4:43pm
- Johnboy
  
  Lives in Jafavegas. Beat’s up family. Has supporters cheering him on outside courthouse?…… I know I will be regarded as a racial profiler but I’ll stab at a guess that he may just be a member of the tangata whenua! 🙂
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:36pm
Ross12

From the NBR website ( I do not have a sub so cannot link the whole article)
Headline: “National offers support for Climate Change Commission but with conditions”
National opposes climate change policies that could damage the economy …..

Well we already send $1.4 bill/yr off into the ether
( have not found anyone who can tell me where it goes). National signed off on that.

About time the letters started going off to your MPs telling them what you think of the stupid idea.
I told my local Nat MP sometime ago and said if this bipartisan approach went ahead I’d be voting elsewhere –trouble is I’m not sure where ACT stands on it.
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June 15, 2018 2:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross12, do you think your local Nat MP is seriously worried about losing your vote?
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:12pm
  - starboard
    
    “fap fap fap..goes the shariaboy “
    
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    June 15, 2018 2:22pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Stevieboy’s never got over that gender altering experience that the big boys gave him behind the bikesheds starboard! 🙂
      
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      June 15, 2018 2:39pm
  - Ross12
    
    Probably not sb, but what other avenues of protest does a voter have?
    
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    June 15, 2018 2:34pm
cha

He forgot to tear this one to pieces.

Man, the New York AG included in their petition an actual picture of a note that is clearly in Trump's handwriting directing his charitable foundation to use funds to settle a legal issue involving Mar-a-lago. Trump can deflect all he wants; that's clearly illegal.— Leon Wolf (@LeonHWolf) June 14, 2018

Here's the note, from the petition. pic.twitter.com/rCyXo4XR3Z— Leon Wolf (@LeonHWolf) June 14, 2018
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June 15, 2018 2:03pm
- Fletch
  
  The sleazy New York Democrats, and their now disgraced (and run out of town) A.G. Eric Schneiderman, are doing everything they can to sue me on a foundation that took in $18,800,000 and gave out to charity more money than it took in, $19,200,000. I won’t settle this case!…
  
  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 14, 2018
  
  ….Schneiderman, who ran the Clinton campaign in New York, never had the guts to bring this ridiculous case, which lingered in their office for almost 2 years. Now he resigned his office in disgrace, and his disciples brought it when we would not settle.
  
  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 14, 2018
  
  Looks like just another liberal hit job on Trump that won’t go anywhere. They’ve tried EVERYTHING.
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:30pm
  - waripori
    
    Most people who have been a Trustee for a Charitable Trust are careful to distribute funds in accordance with the Trust Deed and would never consider using Trust Funds for their own benefit. Trump has left a remarkable paper trail proving he did just that and also used Trust funds for political purposes. May not be so bad if he was directing his own money to the foundation and then redirecting it ( although maybe a problem with the IRS if claiming a deduction ) but he has made no personal contributions since 2008.
    
    Given everything else probably no big deal.
    
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    June 15, 2018 3:37pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    It’s a diversion by the loopy left and the media. It is possible that Comey may be suicide – he’s in the shit up to his neck and going to do what he should have done.
    But never mind, Trump with his 3.7 billion net worth needs to spend charity funds on Mar a lago.
    
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    June 15, 2018 4:12pm
    - waripori
      
      Trump has always said he does not use his own money for anything and he is famously cheap. He certainly used foundation money to make a donation required to settle a dispute about a flagpole at Mar a Lago and he gave the administrator of the foundation a note in his own handwriting directing the payment be made and explaining what it was for.
      
      What part of red handed don’t you understand?
      
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      June 15, 2018 4:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        As part of a settlement he had to make a Charitable donation. So he did, from his Charitable Foundation.
        It’s a donation, not a Fine.
        No one has ever been prosecuted because their foundation used foundation resources for other businesses they owned when:
        1) the donations to charity exceeded the amount they took in, and
        2) when almost all of the foundation’s donations were from themselves. Trump gives over 50% of the $19+ mio the Foundation donates. They also charge pretty much zero expenses too.
        It’s his money and he can direct the Foundation to do what he likes with it.
        Schneiderman the previous AG has tried this on and failed.
        US Foundations are not really like NZ Charities. Check out Mark Zuckerbergs amongst others
        
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        June 15, 2018 6:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘he is famously cheap’
        What fatuous nonsense.
        
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        June 15, 2018 6:19pm
  - cha
    
    Trump used his foundation to make a contribution to Florida Attorny General Pam Bondi but because it was an illegal campaign contribution, he couldn’t use it as a tax write-off so he falsified who the recipient was, and claimed it anyway.
    
    This is just such slapstick corruption from the Trump Foundation pic.twitter.com/aY8l1E2AJF— Sam Stein (@samstein) June 14, 2018
    
    https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1007277089400254464
    
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    June 15, 2018 4:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      O.M.G
      The accountants made a mistake. A donation was made to an organisation called ‘And Justice For All’ but the accountants said it was to ‘Justice For All’.
      Just terrible. Terrible I tell you.God knows what you’ll do to the people who keep calling John Key, ‘John Keys’
      //
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:31pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red,
        you’re not suggesting that Hillary started the Trump Foundation?
        
        LOL
        
        You might enjoy this tweet ,
        
        https://twitter.com/BeckyNance3/status/1007381494719918080
        
        Sigh.
        
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        June 15, 2018 6:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        For a laugh Google Ralph Taylor+Kiwiblog
        You’re so dumb you doxxed yourself
        SIGH
        DOH
        LOL
        Hahahahahahaha
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:03pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        This thread is great!
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_22_march_2018.html#comment-2168745
        
        Winning eh Stephie
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:13pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , obviously winning a trifecta in the puerile and infantile stakes?
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What’s with the ‘Wed’ Ralph?
        Given your obsession with stalking, childish comebacks and porn sites, I think it’s safe to say you’re the peurile one.
        Hey, how is underwear patrol these days?
        Still following superannuitants around?
        Did you do the google search?
        Lol
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:35pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Who is ‘Ralph’?
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:36pm
      - stephieboy
        
        What is “Wed?
        
        An allusion that you’re pretty dense!
        
        “Ralph” means you don’t have any scruples at breaching anyone’s privacy .
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The record shows you outed yourself dumbass
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, are you doxxing stephieboy, AoR? Doesn’t that breach DPF’s rules?
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nah, DPF knows he was asked by Stephie to delete the post where Stephie outed himself over the reading at St Albans (what a dumbass!!!!)
        But hey, you gearing up to give a lecture on blog etiquette Mikey
        That’ll be funny
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/general_debate_5_may_2018.html#comment-2203507
        Hey, it’s morning where I am.
        Friday night for you I guess.
        You all lonely loser stuck at home?
        So funny
        #mikeycantgetlaid
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m having fun, thank you. Doesn’t it concern you that although you are pretending to be on an exciting, exotic holiday overseas,you actually find yourself commenting here on Kiwiblog?
        You are even more of a loser than stephieboy, and that’s saying something.
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ouch, as big a loser as Stephie!
        Awwww, for awhile there he probably thought you were his friend!
        ?
        #mikeycantgetlaid
        You should be where I am. Heck, I thought two fat slags was a cartoon!
        Even you might have a chance
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m just glad that it’s not only starboard who can pretend to be on holiday. I’m going to take a wild guess and assume that your imaginary holiday destination is one where the policing of child prostitution laws is rather lax.
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oooooh, inferring kiddy fiddling seems to be your thing huh.
        Isn’t that against blog rules?
        #mikeycantgetlaid
        Edit, gotta go, whanau ready so time for lunch in town
        Cya
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch, you need to understand that the investigations into Trump and his alleged collusion with the Vladimir and the Kremlin are by Watergate and Contragate standards are very young.
    
    I don’t think we should take the President’s tweets at their word. If he is so innocent as he claims and you devoutly believe then they could easily withstand closer scrutiny by the New York DAs office.
    
    Now calm down and patiently await the outcome of the investigation.
    
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    June 15, 2018 5:17pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Patient??
      FFS they’ve been digging for a year and a half and have ended up with a really big hole and no evidence whatsoever.
      How long are you prepared to cling to the hope that dirt will be found when none exists?
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:02pm
Monique Watson

Under the headlines: “everyone Knows but we can’t breath the name”, re the entertainer, and check out this: “Someone’s Hit Paydirt”!

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/359673/david-clark-offered-dignified-exit-to-dhb-chair
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June 15, 2018 2:14pm
- starboard
  
  no fair, me not know ! Give me a clue, sounds like..??
  
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  June 15, 2018 2:55pm
starboard

A good read..

http://www.taxpayers.org.nz/?e=75da7bb88d87efa573b23b02da1496e2&utm_source=taxpayers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=180615_tu_nwsltr&n=6
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June 15, 2018 2:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good old Shane.

$10M loan to RAL for a high-speed gondola at Whakapaka.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12071283

He can’t be too worried about those disappearing ski fields.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/288705/climate-change-to-melt-away-ski-seasons
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June 15, 2018 2:24pm
- Jack5
  
  Shovel-it-out Shane will probably organise funding for Queenstown’s dream of a “gondola or light rail” from the town centre to the Queenstown airport.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104676975/gondola-or-light-rail-possible-new-transport-options-for-queenstown
  
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  June 15, 2018 4:33pm
Monique Watson

Oh this is so, “Yes Minister”; Government Will Go On”? Fucking doubt it and who died and made Martin the expert?
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June 15, 2018 2:32pm
Monique Watson

Should get the High Jump and share a shitter with at least two others:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12071454
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June 15, 2018 2:55pm
Jack5

Anyone-else from Christchurch in awe of the Christchurch City Council’s new central library?

The price quoted in the Christchurch Press today is $92 million. Staff of 108, film and video-editing studios, playground, cafe, a 200-seat community area; $5.3 million a year to run with income of about $300,000.

And a Maori name, Turanga, which according to an online dictionary means “stand, position, situation, site, foundation, stance.” Most Christchurch people will call it the central library.

A five-storey white elephant to burn ratepayer money.
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June 15, 2018 3:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah, that’s gonna be cool when Gizzy reverts back to Turanga.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisborne,_New_Zealand
  I can’t see everyone will persist with calling this place Turanga- nui-a-Kiwa.
  
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  June 15, 2018 4:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, revert back to Turanga? What a capital idea.
    
    BTW what does Gisborne signify other than the now forgotten glory days of Empire?
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:45pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Have they got a curtain that nobody sees as it is put away in daylight hours to protect it from UV?
  If not they missed the boat, Devonport Library has one – $5M from memory
  
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  June 15, 2018 4:16pm
publicwatchdog

Even MORE protection for NZ Judges and Courts proposed under Chris Finlayson’s
‘Administration of Justice – Reform of Contempt of Court Bill!)

National’s ex-Attorney General Chris Finlayson’s ‘Administration of Justice – Reform of Contempt of Court Bill’ is, IMO, a blatant attempt to further protect NZ Judges and Courts from public criticism.

And to try and close down IMO, NZ’s most active and effective Judicial anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ Vince Siemer, and his website http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

Submissions have now closed.

This is my submission:

“I recommend this Subpart 6 be removed in full.

Subpart 6—Prohibiting publication of untrue allegations or accusations against Judges or courts

24 Offence to publish untrue allegation or accusation against Judge or court

(1) A person commits an offence if the person publishes an allegation or accusation made by that person or another person against a Judge or a court, and there is a real risk that the publication could undermine public confidence in the independence, integrity, or impartiality of the judiciary or a court. “

_______________________

My considered opinion, as an unprotected ‘citizen
anti-corruption whistle-blower’ who has attended seven International Anti-Corruption Conferences, and the 2017 World Justice Project International Rule of Law Forum at The Hague, is that providing further protections for NZ Judges and Courts from public criticism, in a punitive way, is entirely the WRONG approach.

If you want the public to have confidence in the ‘independence, integrity, or impartiality of the judiciary or a court’ – how about having the following safeguards in place?

1) An enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges, based upon the Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct – the pivotal requirement being to uphold the Rule of Law.

( https://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/corruption/judicial_group/Bangalore_principles.pdf

A Judicial Code of Conduct written by Judges – for Judges.)

At present – there are only ‘Judicial Guidelines’.

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/about-the-judiciary/judicial%20conduct

(Currently, the conduct of Judges can be the subject of complaints to the NZ Judicial Conduct Commission- but that has proven to be, in my opinion (and experience) a spectacularly useless and ineffective path to follow. )

( Office of the Judicial Conduct Commissioner

http://www.jcc.govt.nz/ )

2) A Register of Pecuniary Interests for NZ Judges, that is available for public scrutiny.

3) The Public Records Act 2005 to be properly implemented and enforced within all levels of the NZ Judicial system.

Full and accurate records of all proceedings to be created, maintained and available to all parties who request them.

All Judicial decisions – with reasons – to be available for public scrutiny.

4) Create a properly qualified panel to select Judges – not just one person – the Attorney-General.

( Kingmaker Finlayson – Kiwisfirst

http://www.kiwisfirst.com/kingmaker-finlayson-2/ )

In order for ‘justice to be done and to be seen to be done’ IMO, NZ Judges need to be held accountable, because currently they’re not.

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June 15, 2018 3:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Is this Finlayson joining the fight against freedom of speech?
  
  How might it affect criticism of decisions such as the would-be terrorist attacker (car and knives) in Christchurch, who is on probation with golf lessons?
  
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  June 15, 2018 3:57pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Shit.
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve N/S
  Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  June 15, 2018 4:18pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh fuck, the mad woman’s back.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:08pm
Jack5

Matariki – why all this bullshit about the Pleiades? A lot of us haven’t come far from cave people, high on some primitive brew and sitting outside the cave, entranced by the star group.

The Pleiades are a magnet for nutters, such as this commentator who thinks the world is run by Tall White Aliens from the Pleiades. These are supposed to rule America, but earlier helped Nazi Germany with U-boat construction. Wow!

https://youtu.be/XhmJ7yh4w7Y
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June 15, 2018 4:23pm
- Harkman
  
  What about Jesse Ventura? ?
  
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  June 15, 2018 5:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5, the Pleiades-( Matariki ) were a very important means by the Maori to mark the Winter solstice and an auspicious time to plant crops.
  
  Hardly a nutty view of the world and one run by” Tall White Aliens ” from Matariki ( Pleiades )
  
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  June 15, 2018 5:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    and an auspicious time to plant crops.
    
    What crops were planted by Maori at the start of winter?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:01pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Well MW they are still puzzled by the dismal strike rate and the only harvest was what they managed to grab from other tribes when the grabbed their meat ration of etched buttocks. Even then the were convinced that scribbling all over their buttocks made them unappetising the forgot about how it is all fixed in the fire. A sort of premature charred look that actually improved the dish being served “rare”.
      
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      June 16, 2018 3:48am
  - Jack5
    
    An auspicious time to plant crops? June? Not in the southern half of New Zealand.
    
    Here’s where to get an interesting view of Maori measurement of time:
    
    http://www.knowledge-basket.co.nz/kete/taonga/contents/taonga/text/dm/dm4.html
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not in the southern half of New Zealand.
      
      or the northern…
      
      Kumara were planted September/October – December
      
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      June 15, 2018 8:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilief etc ,
        
        Why was Matariki important?
        
        Matariki harvest
        
        The disappearance of Matariki in Autumn, signals the time to gather and preserve crops. The Matariki disappear from view in April, and reappear again in late May/early June. So this was an important marker in the harvest calendar.
        After the harvesting of traditional crops, such as kumara, pikopiko and karaka berries, when the storehouses were full, Maori would celebrate the harvest season. This celebration coincided with the reappearance of Matariki.
        Matariki crop planting
        In years gone by, Matariki was thought to determine your crop for the coming season, so it was important to recognise the part it played in nature’s cycle.
        
        Maori used Matariki as a signal for when to plant their crops after the long winter. If the stars were clear and bright, it was a sign that a favourable and productive season lay ahead, and planting would begin in September.
        
        If the stars appeared hazy and closely bunched together, a cold winter was in store and planting was put off until October.
        
        Nowadays, Matariki is still seen as an important time to celebrate the earth, and show respect for the land on which we live.
        
        https://www.kiwifamilies.co.nz/articles/matariki-maori-new-year/
        Sigh !
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Exactly stephieboy
        
        Crops were not planted at Matariki. So your statement at 5:24pm that it was an “auspicious time to plant crops” is incorrect.
        
        One or more tribes took the clarity of the Pleiades as a sign for whether they would do an early planting (September) or a late planting (October).
        
        But if you read the works of the early observers of Maori horticulture, you will discover that other signals (spring flowering of trees/ arrival of long-tailed cuckoo to NZ) were used as a guide for planting times.
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, interesting way you wiggled and wormed yourself out of that one.
        
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        June 15, 2018 9:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Riiight, so she showed you up to be ignorant and plain out wrong but you’re doing a victory dance!
        Amazing
        SIGH
        
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        June 15, 2018 10:03pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Oh MW thought for sure you would know what is traditionally planted on the shortest day and harvested on the longest day. Hardly known to the natives though until it was introduced by the settlers.
        
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        June 16, 2018 3:52am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @piniwi
        
        You must have missed my 2016 posting on my first garlic harvest…
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/01/general_debate_2_january_2016.html/comment-page-1#comment-1643360
        
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        June 16, 2018 8:24am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy,
      I’ve wormed my way out of nothing.
      
      For goodness sake, I do know something about the biology and soil requirements of Kumara varieties.
      
      I have also read my Elsdon Best, Colenso, etc.
      
      Read P.11 of this and try and figure out why Kumara is not planted when Matariki appears (late May -early June)
      Maori gardening
      An archaeological perspective
      https://www.doc.govt.nz/documents/science-and-technical/sap235.pdf
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:20pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Stephieboy, how are you so lacking in self-awareness that armed only with a keyboard and with Mr Google as your trusty second, you would start a duel with a known expert in the field.
    Blind Freddy can see that ending badly for you.
    
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    June 16, 2018 7:50am
Monique Watson

Guess we don’t have the Cancer then. Back for another suck of the old Sav”?
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June 15, 2018 4:49pm
- nasska
  
  Could be we’ll be “blessed” with Penny’s batshit mad opinions for a while yet:
  
  …..”Prognosis & Survival Rates
  
  For all types of ovarian cancer taken together, about 3 in 4 women with ovarian cancer live for at least 1 year after diagnosis. Almost half (46%) of women with ovarian cancer are still alive at least 5 years after diagnosis. Women diagnosed when they are younger than 65 do better than older women.”…..
  
  https://ocrfa.org/patients/about-ovarian-cancer/treatment/staging-and-grading/stage-3/
  
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  June 15, 2018 5:30pm
  - Johnboy
    
    What a cruel cunt you are nasska…..but I like you anyway! 🙂
    
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    June 15, 2018 5:58pm
Ross12

I just heard on the news that Bridges has offered bipartisan support on the establishment of a Climate Commissioner.
This will rattle the party support.
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June 15, 2018 5:31pm
- nasska
  
  …..”This will rattle the party support”…..
  
  Unfortunately there’s nowhere else for it to go as the National Party hierarchy well know. Barring another inevitable, crackpot Christian-Conservative party futilely wasting valuable support we’re stuffed.
  
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  June 15, 2018 5:40pm
  - Ross12
    
    nassaka
    While it goes against all my principles , not voting is now a viable option for me.
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:12pm
    - nasska
      
      Twice I voted to end FPP because I was sick to death of broken promises & Government arrogance. This is the result!
      
      I should spend the rest of my life in sackcloth & ashes.
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:16pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You should have listened to Peter Shirtcliffe as I did nasska! Your sin shall never be forgiven old chap! 🙂
        
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        June 15, 2018 6:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        nasska,
        
        “I should spend the rest of my life in sackcloth & ashes.”
        
        Whats stopping you?
        
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        June 15, 2018 6:34pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Maybe he’s seen the way you dress
        
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        June 15, 2018 8:21pm
- GoVege
  
  Good on Simon to show some leadership.
  
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  June 15, 2018 6:15pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Leadership. Like Chamberlain.
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross 12,
  
  “This will rattle the party support”
  
  Why?
  
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  June 15, 2018 6:30pm
  - Ross12
    
    Well sb all you have to do is read comments on here when AGW issues are raised, for a start. Admittedly a small sample but I think it would represent a reasonable proportion of Nat voters.
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross 12, the looney alt right here on KB ( like you ) do not represent mainstream National APrty thinking!
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:46pm
      - Ross12
        
        How the hell would an idiot leftie like you, know that?
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:09pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I wondered if it gave National a seat at the table and therefore more control against the Greens introducing nutty laws. If not, then I am sorely disappointed with Simon and his motivations.
  
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  June 15, 2018 7:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That makes a lot of sense, Waikato Girl.
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:07pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But waikatogirl as pointed out in an earlier comment there are two points of view of this move. Ignore it and be stuck with the outcome. Move to bipartisanship with conditions to try avoid the worst that might come about. There is a third possibility. A holding pattern until the COL are rinsed in 2020 and the clean up can begin with the roll back of Shaw’s folly.
    Progress of this wacky idea will be the usual COL treacle in winter pace plus Shaw’s big ego beckons him to the International arena where he should be encouraged to FO to. He is no fireball and is noticeably work shy so a panel of experts to report back late 2019 should do it.
    Otherwise it could be a leap too far for SB and we will continue to see the rot continue on.
    
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    June 16, 2018 4:09am
- wiseowl
  
  In his speech today at fieldays he said he was proud to have signed the Paris Climate agreement.
  Absolutely no understanding and needs to talk to someone like Sir Ian Plimer.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:49pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You should really consider starting a political movement to oppose this sellout.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:05pm
Johnboy

How many of you folk are mourning the end of our current Race Relations Conch? 🙂
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12069905
I hope it’s many more than want to read anymore shit from the Gilbert wanker! 🙂
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June 15, 2018 6:02pm
- nasska
  
  What I find worrying is that both the Left & Right agree that she was totally incompetent. This means that her craven submission to the Maori & minorities wasn’t enough for them & the Left want someone even more insane for the next Commissioner.
  
  That’s scary! Really, truly scary!
  
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  June 15, 2018 6:12pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Her backhand was so shatteringly quick though nasska! 🙂
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    nasska,
    
    “That’s scary! Really, truly scary!”??
    
    Otherwise known and treated as Paranoia!
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:31pm
    - Johnboy
      
      How is your bum stephie? What nasty chaps those big boys were! 🙂
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:34pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I still find it all rather strange. I would credit John Key with some perspicacity if he appointed her to wreck the idea of a Race Relations Commissioner; but she didn’t even show that level of competence.
  BTW, I liked Jarrod Gilbert noting how Susan Devoy admitted she wanted to play squash in South Africa for the money – at least she was more honest than Key who claimed he couldn’t remember whether he supported apartheid.
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:10pm
Johnboy

Anyway seeing as Suzie’s gone who shall we anoint next? My vote go’s to Ritchie!
Come in Dad! 🙂
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June 15, 2018 6:22pm
GoVege

Today is the first anniversary of the Grenfell Tower fire.
Unbelievable such incompetence/callous disregard for people’s safety and lives could go on in 21st century London.
Let’s hope the perps get long prison sentences and pay massive fines.
After all, they throw people in jail for chucking ham sandwiches at mosques there.
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June 15, 2018 6:26pm
- Johnboy
  
  And we have 113 buildings in Welly clad with the same alicomposite shit!…Perfectly safe…we do it better than the poms….etc…etc! 🙂
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12069317
  
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  June 15, 2018 6:30pm
  - nasska
    
    As I read it at the time it depends how it’s fixed JB. Apparently in the Grenfell Towers case the ACM was attached for a cosmetic reasons & was held out from the primary cladding with vertical battens.
    
    When the fire started the gap between the two claddings enabled a venturi effect. Under use it wouldn’t do much more than smoulder or melt.
    
    Remember what happened the last time you burnt milk bottles to piss off the Greens. That runny unburnt mess is HDPE same as the core of ACM. 🙂
    
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    June 15, 2018 6:42pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Where the fuck did you ever get the idea from that I’ve drunk milk? Not since those turds forced the warm curdled shit into me back at Naenae Primary in 1953 cause it was…”good for me”…cunts! The crap was in glass then. Plastic had only been just recently invented and was far to expensive to waste on milk bottles. 🙂
      
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      June 15, 2018 6:57pm
      - nasska
        
        I’ll never be able to forget the taste of the warm milk that had been left out the sunlight.
        
        With the number of kids who suffered rickets & other Vit D/calcium deficiency related diseases I now appreciate the governments efforts via school milk.
        
        Just that it was like every other measure overseen by government departments……the idea was good but the implementation was crap.
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:09pm
      - Johnboy
        
        The bastards were too fuckin mean to supply school refrigeration nasska! They build a wooden slatted box at the end of the driveway so the milkman wouldn’t have to strain his lazy arse and put a whole generation of possible milk drinkers off the shit forever!
        I can see many parallels with this Winston anointed rabble already! 🙂
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Being milk monitor at Castlecliff Kindy was the highlight of my managerial career.
        
        The perks (extra bottles to drink if kiddies were away) were worth the effort of helping carry the crate inside.
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:47pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Our milk sat in the hot morning sun until playtime. I can still remember being forced to drink the shit. A spoon or 2 of milo would have been welcome to hide the taste. ?
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:51pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”milk monitor at Castlecliff Kindy”…..
        
        That’s telling! A teacher’s pet. 🙂
        
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        June 15, 2018 7:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        A teacher’s pet.
        
        Rubbish!
        Just one of the 4 year olds strong enough to carry a crate of milk bottles.
        
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        June 15, 2018 8:09pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Tough Johnboy you must have had lousy milk monitors since we in some of the smaller places had the cold milk arrive not too far ahead of distribution. Milk storage was brief and on the shady side of the building where the ice in winter could be fun carrying a crate of little milk bottles. Ah the good old days. I’d like to be back their for a little home vacation when Angry Andy fronts to tell the Pike crowd it’s a no go. Now that would an event to be witnessed first hand and filmed in 4K. Lol
        
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        June 16, 2018 4:21am
GoVege

Amazing they could design a high rise building with inflammable cladding…and a gap between the cladding and the building to enable flames to shoot up to the top.
And get it signed off by the Council.
A terrorist couldn’t have designed it better.
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June 15, 2018 6:59pm
- Johnboy
  
  What were the Twin Towers clad in?
  
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  June 15, 2018 7:02pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Air liners flying into them probably wasn ‘t part of the building inspection sign off
    
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    June 15, 2018 7:41pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
    Why don’t you ask what’s the Statue of Liberty clad in?
    
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    June 15, 2018 8:16pm
    - sooty
      
      Copper?
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:20pm
    - sooty
      
      Copper or bronze.
      
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      June 15, 2018 10:22pm
GoVege

Wonder how our poor farmers are getting on, with the massive cull underway….or is it all over?
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June 15, 2018 8:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  Not over by a long way.
  
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  June 15, 2018 8:44pm
  - GoVege
    
    Was watching CI the other night and it mentioned a dairy farmer.
    It said dairy farming is extremely hard work, as cows need to be milked three times a day without fail.
    
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    June 15, 2018 9:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you mean the poor farmers, not one of whom has yet voluntarily admitted to having an infected herd?
  
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  June 15, 2018 9:19pm
starboard

mouldy at it again it seems , WTF is wrong with them ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104766699/whakathea-mori-trust-board-under-investigation
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June 15, 2018 9:27pm
GoVege

Don’t mind the amateurs, Starboard, they usually get caught and take their punishment.
It’s the professional thieves who do it “legally” and for really vast amounts, and not only don’t get into trouble but get to keep their ill-gotten gains.
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June 15, 2018 9:52pm
- starboard
  
  Something sick deeply ingrained into their psyche , steal , beat , murder , general violence , they really are a foul backward culture.
  
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  June 15, 2018 10:10pm
  - softail 1450
    
    starboard,, WRONG, its all whiteys fault, didn’t you know they were a noble peaceful culture before whitey arrived and ruined it all?
    
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    June 16, 2018 6:28am
rightoverlabour

Stephieboy, just for you…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/giuliani-calls-for-suspension-muellers-probe-after-bombshell-doj-watchdog-report.html
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June 15, 2018 10:11pm
Hugh Pavletich

Donald Trump is more popular with Republicans than almost any president since WWII with an approval rating of 87 per cent, poll finds … UK Daily Mail

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/06/macro-afternoon-431/#comment-3124351

Donald Trump is more popular with Republicans than almost any president since WWII with an approval rating of 87 per cent, poll finds … UK Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5847999/Donald-Trump-popular-Republicans-president-Second-World-War.html

• The President is more popular than JFK and Obama were among Democrats

• Only George W. Bush whose popularity surged post 9/11 more popular with GOP

• Most Americans also believe Trump was right to meet with Kim Jong-un … read more via hyperlink above …
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