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cmm

When a white woman gets a moko that’s cultural appropriation.

When Suzy Ferguson uses Te Reo on Radio NZ that’s not.

Can anyone explain?
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June 11, 2018 8:04am
- G152
  
  Feelz!
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:07am
  - cmm
    
    Thanks
    
    I knew there had to be a rational explanation.
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:24am
    - Sam_Bro
      
      Thinking about getting myself a proper education. Where’s the best place to learn in New Zealand?
      
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      June 11, 2018 2:24pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Special notice to the public:
        
        After one hour, note that none of these little bitches on the kiwi blog know where to get a proper education in New Zealand ???
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:27pm
      - Johnboy
        
        It’s quite obvious after your 3:27 that the one thing that really gets you uneducated pricks fuckin angry is being utterly ignored! 🙂
        It even gets you to start talking to yourselves! 🙂
        
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        June 11, 2018 6:06pm
      - starboard
        
        Well said as usual JB. This hombre has a Sam Green stench about him. ?
        
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        June 11, 2018 7:30pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        LMFAO!!! #TRIGGERED!!! ?????????????????????????
        
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        June 11, 2018 7:32pm
- VicParking
  
  Suzy once had a Maori boy behind the grandstand at the stock cars so she can say she has got a little bit of Maori in her.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:22am
- pdm
  
  What about Mallards bastardisation of the Parliamentary Prayer in Maori – where does that sit?
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:25am
artemisia

Cancelled Gold Coast conference costs Counties Manukau DHB $323,000. Might have been cheaper to go ahead and actually lose less, based on previous conference losses. At least they would get something for the money.

Seriously, DHB management running some sort of fiefdom of jolly jaunts, instead of doing what they are paid to do? Something to do with patients perhaps?

… the Counties Manukau Health Board ….. questioned the wisdom of a New Zealand DHB, which was under financial pressure, subsidising a conference in Australia where 90 per cent of the delegates were not New Zealanders and which was not core business for the DHB.

It also reviewed the finances of the previous three conferences and found that instead of making a small surplus each time, as originally reported, the costs had been understated. The three conferences ran up total losses of $972,000.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12066998
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June 11, 2018 8:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  How many patients could have been treated with that money instead of wasting it on team building conferences? ?
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:08am
  - Harkman
    
    A bit like every sign in every hospital up and down the country now has a Maori name underneath although 99% can’t speak it. ☹
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:38am
    - waikatogirl
      
      What’s maori for feelz? ?
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:44am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Uncle Bully.
        Shit your comment is gold – and then as I laughed . . . snap.
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:08am
      - sooty
        
        Maori for feelz is, koha. Or trousered in english.
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:45am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Winz
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:28am
      - mandk
        
        Nga whēl?
        
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        June 11, 2018 12:08pm
  - GazzaW
    
    How many walls streaming with shit could have been fixed for $323k? //
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:13am
- sooty
  
  How many and how much to go to the Gold Coast to scope it out?
  How much of the $2.5 million at Sydney did they pay?
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:11am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  This just further points to the wisdom of cutting down the number of DHBs, and then getting better management and proper boards for the bigger DHBs.
  
  TBF, a lot of these problems start in middle management – who are often former clinicians who have moved into admin/management, but don’t have a value for money mentality.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:16am
  - Jack5
    
    The move for bigger and bigger local bodies and similar organisations is usually a con. Look at the Auckland Super City fuck-up, followed by a bureaucratic rather than democratic drive for more such mergers.
    
    As local as possible is the way to go.
    
    Increasing layers of management as mentioned in AgainsttheFlow’s post may be the result of bringing so many MBA’s into public organisation management. With one unit of organisation theory on their CV’s, these re-trainees often, mistakenly, see a too-thin (too them) organisation chart as alarming. Some MBA’s love creating management-heavy organisations.
    
    For those interested in central government v. local body management (and NZ is pushing for more centralisation) Oliver Hartwich is worth reading:
    
    http://www.lgnz.co.nz/assets/Publications/A-global-perspective-on-localism.pdf
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:12am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  You could fix a lot of buildings with that sort of money, or you could have paid attention to your infrastructure and actually spent the money you had in your budget to fix the buildings!
  
  What a crock of shit!
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:17am
  - calendar girl
    
    Let’s not overlook that this multi-year junket fiasco (all intended for ‘professional development purposes, of course) came about under a Board appointed by the previous National Government, not the present lot.
    
    Jonathan Coleman would have been facing some very awkward questions had he not lost the National leadership contest, and then left Northcote and politics behind him.
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:04am
- tf78
  
  Sounds like Lianne Dalzeil inviting Arnold Schwarzenegger to visit – WHY?
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:40am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Arnold is a global warming alarmist.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:31am
  - Tricati
    
    Wants to piss more of us rate payers off – She’s a disgrace with her virtue signalling spending
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:51am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Let me guess – some horseshit reason like ‘we’ve got to compete with private sector perks or all our higher-ups will be the bottom of the barrel’.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:09am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So they’re not the bottom of the barrel due to salary,
    you actually hired incompetent people?
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:38am
  - The Heat
    
    I’d pay them a lot more
    
    But on a performance basis only
    
    A KPI would be reduced rates and increased essential services
    
    Deliver or get nothing
    
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    June 11, 2018 12:41pm
Inandout

Whatever Trump does regarding North Korea will not satisfy Garner. Not that Trump cares a jot, or probably is unaware of a minor show like AM.
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June 11, 2018 8:06am
- igm
  
  As has been said, it is time Garner had another panel and paint!
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:43am
  - Inandout
    
    He is going on the road with his show, and his co panelists are ‘excited’ by the move.
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:58am
    - oldpark
      
      Wonder will he visit the Florist Shop in Thorndon Wellington. Nuff said.
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:01am
    - sooty
      
      Going on the road at 5 star locations and transport. Far beyond their station in life. But hay, a troughing we will go. Sounds like Labour to a tee.
      
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      June 11, 2018 10:51am
Longknives

Nadal is an absolute legend!
One of the greatest players of all time.
Strange he never gets the Kudos Federer does- Head to Head Nadal 23, Federer 15…
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June 11, 2018 8:06am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Eleven wins at a single grand slam – #1 in that regard – wow.
  I thought you’d be smarter than that head to head bullshit dude.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:59am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Downticks ? Good one.
    Ok – Rafa is the best of all time – more wins than losses against Roger. Brilliant. Fuck – that was easy to settle !!
    But Novak currently leads Rafa in their rivalry.
    So – Nole is the best ever player, yeah ?
    
    And who says Rafa doesn’t get any recognition ? Seen the internet mate ? If he gets a few more non-clay grand slams, far out man – GOAT debate is all on.
    
    I might be trying to keep the word count down here – a bit of a tennis fan. Don’t tempt me . . . you’ve been warned.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:32am
    - Harkman
      
      I like both but would say that head to head was 23-8, then Fed changed head size and he caught up.
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:43am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Clay: 13-2. Hard: 9-11. Grass: 1-2
        
        Hey – have you seen all of those grand slams where Rafa lost before he met Roger in a final or semi ?
        Count them – it’s quite a few.
        
        And sometimes it worked the other way too.
        But come off it – Rafa’s first four FO wins – and away from clay ? US and AO ?
        So – if Nadal had not made Wimbledon finals 06 and 07 – his head to head with Roger would ‘improve’ – having lost sooner. Huh ? Exactly.
        
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        June 11, 2018 9:58am
      - Harkman
        
        Fed was playing with a piddly 90″^2 head then finally moved in late 2013-2014 to the black stealthy 98 and the 2014 Aussie open semi was the last time he lost to Nadal as mid 2014 Wilson switched him to a 97, though he couldn’t beat Novak with this. Then in 2017 he had some new black stealthy racquet (with some new material) and he has been on a tear since. Two years ago I wouldn’t believe either would win another major, so wrong.
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:17am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        It’s a shame they can’t find Roger a racquet good enough for him to play the clay court season.
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:51am
      - Harkman
        
        I wonder if his knees can’t handle a clay season, and besides he’ll end up losing to Nadal anyhow.
        
        (Who’s down ticking us?)
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:55am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Downticking will happen in proportion to how bored to fuck one is with ‘the wrong GD topic’ and the amount of internet it takes up on their screen – ha.
        
        I’m generally giving every tennis or sport comment a green tick – I’m all for them.
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:33am
    - Longknives
      
      Who ever said Rafa was the ‘Best of all Time’?
      You’ve gone all ‘Hysterical’ mate (See what I did there? Hat Tip Kelvin Davis..)
      
      I simply said I don’t think he gets the Kudos/Recognition he deserves. (Compared to Federer)
      Both players are definitely among the Greatest of all time for mine.
      But how do you compare Federer and Nadal with Sampras and Agassi? Or Borg and Connors??
      Go back even further and Rod Laver,Ken Rosewall and co..
      
      You could argue all day.
      
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      June 11, 2018 10:11am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        *Gone* hysterical ?
        There’s no gone about it.
        I possess the full-time hysteria that is perfectly understandable when you consider our sentient self-awareness, understanding of our mortality, the total mindfuck ride that is this brief flicker of existence.
        
        Arguing all day is just being a huge nerd on some subject. Sweet – let’s do it.
        
        I don’t compare grass / clay wooden racquet era to composite power era. Two different games. Like trying to compare amateur and pro rugby. Forget it.
        
        Recognition – well – sure, if that’s what you think. Do you think he should get more recognition based on their win / loss record ?
        
        He’s basically clay-centric vs Roger non-clay master. Who is better at tennis ? Well – if it’s clay, it’s Nadal and nothing else. Non-clay – it’s Roger no question.
        
        Debate rages because it’s all career timing with main rivals. Djokovic and Nadal have had each other and Roger to beat, where as early on 03-07 Roger was mostly on his own – 12 GS in that time.
        How to adjust for all the variables ? Tricky stuff.
        
        In terms of recognition I’d say Roger is just arguably more popular and a bigger brand. Which goes beyond winning percentage. Remember Anna Kournikova ? Winning isn’t everything LK – ha !!
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:39am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        My apologies for making people hyper-scroll down all of this really interesting tennis crap.
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:53am
- dime
  
  Nadal = roids imho
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:20am
  - Longknives
    
    I’ve heard those rumours before Dime but not sure why he gets that crap flung at him when a certain female player gets away with blue murder!
    
    Does Nadal lock himself in a Panic Room when drug testers come knocking?
    Does Nadal have a bizarre exemption for multiple prohibited substances?
    Come on down the self professed ‘Greatest Athlete Ever’ Serena Williams-
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZeAQRhb66U
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:34am
    - dime
      
      yeah shes trash.
      
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      June 11, 2018 10:41am
sooty

Whinney you are toast. Trying to buy a northland seat won’t save you.
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June 11, 2018 8:07am
- Paulus
  
  Peters has only to replace a useless Deputy Labour Minister who could go back to teaching – he has been useless as an MP – but that is par for the course.
  Then it is back all on for the COLL for the 2020 election.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:19am
  - lele
    
    KD showing the old saying “A man among boys: a boy among men” to be true. He is out of his depth.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:18am
- VicParking
  
  He’s hopping to do a deal with labour by not standing candidates in electorates (going only for party votes) and hopping Cindy will gift him at seat up North.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:25am
  - Tricati
    
    Having Provincial Fund as NZ First re-election fund helps.
    
    When Winston Peters went with Labour he knew it would affect a large number of NZ First supporters, and this is shown by both left and right leaning polls showing the decline in their support.
    
    The only way NZ First will survive is by winning an electorate seat, with the prime option being Northland, hence the large spend in that area. Labour are in no position to gift a seat to NZF
    
    It is a sad indictment on our democracy, that a secret coalition agreement can determine the direction of the country and we should see all the details,
    
    The behaviour of Shane Jones in both the House and select committee can only be seen as abject arrogance and is sending the message that he doesn’t care about the fact it is tax payers money – as far as he is concerned, NZ First won the coalition battle and he can spend what he likes.
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:17am
    - ex-golfer
      
      Labour will be over a barrel and will have to gift a seat to NZF in 2020 because without NZF Labour are back to the opposition benches.
      They will therefore do an Epsom-type deal and rally the electorate vote to NZF (I am predicting Northland), but encourage split voting.
      
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      June 11, 2018 11:13am
      - Paulus
        
        Assume that this deal is in the Secret Agreement.
        
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        June 11, 2018 1:41pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I hear you about Northland, but I suspect there will be a number of things to consider in 2 years, these being:
        1. Will the polls be showing a bad news story for the CoL & the constituent parties? Meaning they may be too toxic to each other to work an arrangement.
        2. Despite splashing the dosh, Indiana is not winning over votes, merely some will remain bought;
        3. Even if he win’s an electorateNZF have to win more than 2% of the vote to get extra seats, else he’ll be a 1 man band like Seymour; and
        4. Despite what the MSM say, Peters is no more popular in Northland than anywhere else in NZ. Even some in his own whanau can’t stand the sight of him (from a member of his family to me).
        
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        June 11, 2018 6:46pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right Tricati this above all else is why the SLG blocked the release of the 38 page secret agreement. The majority see her for what she is just a simple minded girl acting as a woman but so far above her level of competence that her fall will be her most amazing feat of all. A sort of cordless bungee to political oblivion only ever recorded for the future as the Ardernish Dictatorial style of governance. Releasing the secret agreement would final exposer her as a complete fraud who sold out completely for power at the cost not only to all NZ but her party as well.
      The original brief agreement document was just to get her excited and wet enough to agree to a complete sell out by the temptation of what the Prime Ministership could lead to for her. A pathway to the UN and a chance to save the world as all lefties are so convinced they can. Her destiny.
      Anybody who can not see that there is a sure seat already allotted to the old drunk as the key element of the final secret agreement is perhaps still start struck.
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:52pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.indiannewslink.co.nz/counties-manukau-police-host-iftar-dinner-for-muslims/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/06/the-non-diverse-diversity-dinner-part-two/

“It appears that the majority of the New Zealand Muslim population is centred in Auckland as that is where the two Islamic schools are and where the 15 million dollar Islamic ‘complex’ is going to be built. I wonder what an Islamic ‘complex’ is a euphemism for?”

“The Counties Manukau police know that the Muslim population in South Auckland is going to continue to increase and have felt the need to single out Muslims for special treatment with their non-diverse ‘diversity dinner.’ It brings to mind the saying, ‘An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.‘

Peaceful People.

“Speaking on the occasion, Counties Manukau Police District Commander Superintendent Jill Rogers (wore a hijab) paid tributes to the Muslim community, saying that Muslims are among the most law-abiding, tolerant and quiet people. ”

Police Commissioner Bush should resign.

This traitor has been actively working to create new hate speech laws.

THE ENEMY WITHIN.
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June 11, 2018 8:11am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Bruce Russle Newstalk ZB covered this appalling situation from midnite to 5am
  
  Bruce rightfully called it out for the BS that it is.
  
  All the callers expressed grave concerns for the future of this puppet state.
  
  Last caller was a diversity infected cop, who stated “we are just showing them respect”
  
  Bruce called out the cops for the virtue signalling Dhimmis they have become.
  
  Diversity infected cop became abusive towards Bruce and hung up.
  
  Counties Manukau Police Force is infected.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:24am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thanks for the precis Rodney.
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:26am
  - secondcumming
    
    Unexpected jihad………
    
    https://gfycat.com/PlaintiveObedientFlounder
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      A pile of crap from Whale oil the centre of Muslim bashing and hating,
      
      “This month through the tip line I was told that female genital mutilation is happening in West Auckland and is being covered up by Muslim doctors. I sincerely hope that it is not true but seriously, if it is happening in every other Western country with a Muslim population why would it not be happening here in New Zealand?”
      
      Tipline?? or more likely the lies line!
      
      Sheesh!
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:16am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Christ will wash away your guilt Steph.
        
        Do not despair. As a brother in Christ, we applaud you for making it clear on this blog that you are 100% against the imposition of Sharia Law in NZ.
        
        There is no hate or bashing in that statement. Just truth/light.
        
        Peace be with you Steph.
        
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        June 11, 2018 9:29am
      - pentwig
        
        do you have proof that it is not sillyboy?
        I look forward to you refuting it on whaleoil.
        
        Sheesh!
        LOL
        
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        June 11, 2018 9:38am
      - igm
        
        Like all Muslims, you should be put on a flight to ME forthwith.
        
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        June 11, 2018 9:43am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        The silly slow stephie mouse preaching love for fast hungry snakes.
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:27am
  - Longknives
    
    “Last caller was a diversity infected cop, who stated “we are just showing them respect”
    Bruce called out the cops for the virtue signalling Dhimmis they have become.Diversity infected cop became abusive towards Bruce and hung up.”
    
    Really?
    Who was this Officer? Was this person speaking in an official capacity? Regardless- If he or she came abusive then they are potentially in breach of their Code of Conduct…
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:16am
- VicParking
  
  Are these schools teaching the curriculum and have registered teachers or does it not matter if you wear a tea towel.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:28am
- backster
  
  |”Jill Rogers (wore a hijab) paid tributes to the Muslim community, saying that Muslims are among the most law-abiding, tolerant and quiet people. ”
  …….Are they keeping stats, if so very good but I bet they are not because they don’t want to know in case they develop racial bias, and need to have it brainwashed out as with maori.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:39am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    https://youtu.be/ukkV4rwECTI
    
    Ben Shapiro on ‘Unconcious Bias’
    
    “Chasing ghosts of ghosts”
    
    Counties Manukau Police currently completing Diversity ‘reprogramming’?
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:04am
- Justitia
  
  More on the Human Rights Commission’s attempt to use the UN to create the offence of “disharmonious speech targeted at the religion and beliefs of ethnic minority communities” with particular reference to “muslim New Zealanders”) and effectively to give legal privilege to Islam. Devoy traveled to Geneva to present the HRC’s submission to the UN in mid August 2017 with Rakesh Naidoo, the HRC’s “Strategy Adviser”. Naidoo, a South African immigrant, was seconded to the HRC in 2016 from the NZ Police where he is an Inspector with the role of National Ethnic Advisor. (He was also a guest at the Counties-Manakau Police Ramadan dinner.) It would be fair to assume he had a hand in developing the submission’s recommendations given he was tasked with assisting Devoy to present them to the UN.
  In February 2017 in the wake of the Huntly toilets “hate crime” affair Police Commissioner Bush told a Parliamentary Select Committee that the Police and the HRC were investigating whether a new category of “hate crime” should be created. Both the then Minister of Police (Bennet) and the then Minister of Justice (Adams) replied they saw no need for a new hate crime offence. It is now appears from the UN submission the Police and the HRC ignored their Ministers.
  So did the Police/HRC submission to the UN, which was made in the name of New Zealand, have Ministerial approval? Or were the two agencies going “rogue”? Yet another important question arising from this appalling attempt to restrict freedom of expression in New Zealand.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:00am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Outstanding intel Justitia.
    
    Thankyou.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:09am
    - Justitia
      
      Thanks Rodney. We continue to keep digging.
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:24am
  - Justitia
    
    Here’s a nice facebook video from the Counties Manakau Police Ramadan dinner the other night showing Inspector Naidoo with Dr Mohammad Anwar Sahib who was accused of anti-Jewish remarks in his sermons and reprimanded by the then Minister of Ethnic Affairs in November 2016. The cleric was a religious adviser to the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand. (I hope the link works, I’m not very handy at this stuff.)
    
    https://www.facebook.com/masjidattaqwanz/videos/1584414798348237/?t=0
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:48am
  - calendar girl
    
    “So did the Police/HRC submission to the UN, which was made in the name of New Zealand, have Ministerial approval? Or were the two agencies going “rogue”?”
    
    My guess is the latter. But elsewhere, Police Commissioner Bush does not seem to have been able in recent months to bring to a conclusion his team’s inquiry into the Labour Party’s youth weekend (alleged sexual assaults) scandal. We await an announcement in the very near future.
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:22am
- kowtow
  
  Politicians let them in and then public servants pander.
  
  Whitey works to pay for this .
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:02am
- Piniwi
  
  @Rodney Randall so the so called Police District Commander Superintendent Jill Rogers was out of uniform by not wearing her bird spattered official headwear. Forget the virtue signalling as this relegates her to just being another member of the public for failing to wear her official uniform provided by the NZ Police Force.
  This will come back to haunt this Sheila and the NZ Police when they are reminded of her saying “that Muslims are among the most law-abiding, tolerant and quiet people. ” When things start to run amuck as they most surely will it will confirm yet another female promoted well past her level of competence. The only thing we might expect it that these so called “law-abiding, tolerant and quiet people ” are unlikely to call them pigs but infidels instead. This no doubt will be more easily accepted by this creature in her sheer ignorance of what is in store. To think people were so shocked by a bit of shit in the local hospital. Bet she won’t be the one scrapping body parts off the walls when they have been sprayed there.
  We have to laugh though that the NZ Police gave such a great display of their sheer ignorance of this particular religion as they celebrated diversity. They sent a woman? Wonder they didn’t serve ham and halal mustard.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:23pm
AgainstTheFlow

Labour’s new policy of no evictions for Housing NZ tenants for drug use (“soft on meth, soft on the users of meth”) might well bite Labour/Greens at the election.

Such tenants don’t live isolated from the rest of us. They live close by ordinary decent people who vote. So the more HNZ housing that becomes run-down, over-grown crime scenes with frequent attendance by Police cars, the better.

Labour’s social policies on (very) public display.
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June 11, 2018 8:11am
- Harkman
  
  This will cause chaos. But Labour needs unpoliceable ghettos full of loyal constituents.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:45am
- Piniwi
  
  Right AgainstTheFlow while recently read on WO a guest post from a parent of a child who all but died after living a house that had been passed by the limits on P contamination. It got so serious before the ambulance arrived he was urgently airlifted to hospital by a diverted helicopter. Before that he had coughed up an ice cream container of “black gunk” he had accumulated in his system. Later at the hospital they were encouraged to contact and gather family members for an expected last goodbye. Thankfully the child pulled through and they have since moved house where the family are regaining poor health that resulted from P exposure. Her strong message was don’t move into any house where P is in any way detected.
  This desperate move by Twitford is based on a rushed report from Gluckman that concluded only a lack of evidence and not on any hard facts. While it might mean some gain a domicile sooner they might also end up sooner among those in another set of stats where there is no waiting list and the doors are always open. Apart from this possible outcome HNZ have really slumped to anew low by condoning the use of P and letting ot be smoked in their houses. The dealers will be please and can save fuel by the way state houses are concentrated. The pepper pot alternatives are not likely to be available this term except where Kiwibuild have “saved” a developer by buying off the plans. Then when their funds are locked up by a failure to sell they opt to make it a state house to recycle the funding. If he wasn’t such a FIGJAM we might feel a tinge sorry for him.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:55pm
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Mike Hosking and DPF are both trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

Hosking repeats the mantra that 3% of house buyers are foreigners. Very true, across New Zealand.

But, break this figure down region by region, and you find 20% of buyers in central Auckland are foreign, and 57% of Auckland buyers have chinese residency!!

Of course, this is not the only reason, low interest rates allowed locals to borrow more enabling them to somewhat compete against raw chinese buying power.

Mike, read this you one eyed pirate…
https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94206/capital-outflows-china-may-have-had-bigger-impact-aucklands-housing-market-low
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June 11, 2018 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  Massive outflows of capital from China.
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/94206/capital-outflows-china-may-have-had-bigger-impact-aucklands-housing-market-low
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:38am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A newspaper trumpets ‘Mike Hosking: Time for Labour’s xenophobic bollocks on foreign house buyers to end’
  
  ‘I think the National Party made a very good point when they suggested it might just be time for the Labour Party to admit they were wrong when it came to absentee foreign house owners.
  
  The number is three per cent. It was three per cent when they started crunching the numbers. It’s remained three per cent ever since.
  
  National argued while in office that of the issues facing housing, people sitting in foreign ports buying property and remaining absent wasn’t one of the major ones.
  
  Labour, for political reasons because as the numbers show they had absolutely no proof, pumped up the numbers. They told the tale that is was all these offshore millionaires and billionaires who were fleecing the locals and locking us out of the market.
  
  Labour famously claimed the number was around 30 per cent. So wrong by about 10 times. This was the same Labour Party relying on evidence comprised of people buying houses with Chinese sounding names.’
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12068187
  
  Being here I am sure that it is easy to discern that I concur, enjoy and appreciate Hoskins’ candidness.
  
  It is a throw away headline and can be used again tomorrow to read ‘Time for Labour’s xenophobic bollocks on (insert cause de jour here) to end’
  
  I like the word ‘bollocks’ in headlines as twats is just a bit uncouth. (nah, I don’t care)
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:41am
- wreck1080
  
  Ha ha, downticked by all of aucklands luxury car dealers.
  
  Expected that.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:58am
- trout
  
  Re increase in foreign buyers in Central Auckland this can be put down to Chinese Parents buying apartments for their student children (especially over the survey period – Jan to March). These apartments are put back on the market after graduation. Upside is the massive contribution to education costs through overseas sourced fees.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:42am
  - GazzaW
    
    You have hit it right on the nail trout. Year after year property sales in the Auckland CBD peak as foreign students arrive. Red Radio suggested the sales were ‘luxury mansions’ in Herne Bay, Parnell and St Marys Bay when in all likelihood they were leasehold studio apartments in Hobson Street and often being moved on from one foreign student’s family to another.
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:28am
    - Piniwi
      
      Also GazzaW it also illustrates that these buyers know if they have the resources their children’s costa can be reduced by buying in a market that continues to steadily rise. Whether they read tea leaves or their magic balls they will be aware that with the present COL everything will rise in price proportionally with their stupidity. Added to which is the safety factor of buying in the highest priced locations where the crims might visit but do not dwell. Replacement insurance will cover any loss and they get a return on their investment while their children are comfortably housed to concentrate on their education. Win-win.
      
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      June 11, 2018 11:20pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right trout they never look any further than a who or should that be Ho. The agents will be able to fill in the gaps and would anticipate this as a busy market time but totally confusing for Labour and goes against the narrative. Every trader soon gets to know their market and plans his inventory accordingly.
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:10pm
- Harkman
  
  “Hosking repeats the mantra that 3% of house buyers are foreigners. Very true,” You said it.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:47am
- Psycho Milt
  
  …break this figure down region by region, and you find 20% of buyers in central Auckland are foreign…
  
  Which is bad enough, but excludes the ones acting through local agents. The real proportion would be even higher if we could measure it.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:23am
secondcumming

It appears *Rotorua Police* were caught on video actually using a *gun* to shoot a bloke on a local roundabout. As this happened nearly 2 years ago, I hope these boyz have managed to find their way home by now.

CAUTION: contains frequent use of strong te reo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v1G57bfpGc
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June 11, 2018 8:16am
- cmm
  
  I like the comment: “Person shot in full view of public”
  
  What do they expect? First ask him politely to go around the back so he can be shot out of sight from sensitive eyes?
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:22am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Whole new meaning to the phrase ‘behind the bike shed’
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:45am
hullkiwi

Yesterday’s headline “Im not Superwoman”, no you are not Toothy. You are just a stupid little girl, who was trying to deflect attention away from your’s & Liebore’s piss poor & over hyped failure in Northcote.

Now go on maternity leave and try & avoid being front & centre in the press for the next 2 months. Like that is going to happen.
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June 11, 2018 8:26am
- sooty
  
  Get clarkey to shut his cakehole as well. He should be seen, not heard!
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:32am
  - Harkman
    
    We were watching DWTS last night and somebody asked “was this Shavaughn, Clarke’s ex,” I replied “yes,” they then commented “he has a thing for dizzy women with a celebrity status doesn’t he?” ?
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:51am
    - Paulus
      
      Shevaughn was well out of Clarke.
      Now look what he has got – serves him right.
      
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      June 11, 2018 11:03am
    - Longknives
      
      https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/celebrity/celeb-news/shavaughn-ruakere-and-clarke-gayford-get-serious-2459
      
      Apparently they have both met “The One”..
      
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      June 11, 2018 11:24am
      - lifesgood
        
        Oh, now that is just hilarious! I have seen the same article, almost word for word, written about him and Jacinda. Isn’t Jacinda a silly little girl? Does she really think he will stick around?
        
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        June 11, 2018 2:02pm
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  I share your dislike for Ardern, but personal abuse of her just makes it easy for people to put you in the “nut-job hater” category.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:52am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    True dat. I stuck him in there immediately on reading it.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:58am
- MCos
  
  I’d be more concerned, hullkiwi, if the PM had proclaimed herself to be superwoman.
  
  Your other childish insults, while they seem to appeal to some people, add nothing of value to the political discourse.
  BTW
  In our country the politicians don’t dictate what the newspapers print, although I’m sure the more wild eyed extremists don’t believe that for a moment.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:37am
  - hullkiwi
    
    MCos, I take your point. But the failing was Toothy, sounding off for the press yesterday. If she had said nothing, then we would be given no reason to level criticism at her.
    
    Similarly, like the celebrity fraternity in general, the PM has courted the press for no other reason than the oxygen of publicity. So she will figurively speaking, live or die by the publicity she has sought.
    
    What she & her partner do in their private lives is of no concern to me. However, when the PM & her spin minders make her private life front & centre of her actions/decisions as PM, then I as a NZ citizen, voter & taxpayer have every right to question, criticise & be derogatory towards the PM.
    
    Especially when, all her decision making to date has been aimed at the political rather the good governance of NZ, with the betterment of circumstances for all NZers.
    
    In my opinion, there has been scant evidence of good governance from the CoL. As Toothy is PM, responsibility for the poor governance rests with her. As they say, “If she can’t stand the heat, then perhaps, she should get out.”
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:57am
- Piniwi
  
  Seems hullkiwi she heard and heeded you sage advise offered we are sure with the best of intentions. Departing at the end of today heralds in the exposure of yet another lie. Working right up to the very last minute but it is untestable as the heat is really starting to get turned up at the Beehive. Pity too as we were looking forward to OQT time tomorrow again understandable as live TV can not be photo shopped though the camera can impart a sort of glow to the image. All we will be left with are doctored file photos and a run of vomit inducing puff pieces targeted at the sheeple to nurture their adulation. Lol
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:31pm
Happychappy

Whats up at the Herald on crime when they allow a journalist that most people in NZ view as dishonest after the Dot Com saga to now go after National on the Three Strikes Law saying they should produce the facts which they are neglecting with their scare tactics now. David Fisher like Andrew Little are losers and are prepared to put peoples lives at risk and will stop at nothing to further their careers by the neglect of the innocence and their hate of National.
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June 11, 2018 8:27am
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‘Bride of Belsen’ who survived four death camps dies aged 95

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/09/bride-belsen-survived-four-death-camps-dies-aged-95/

It’s this kind of emotive cr*p that got me investigating the holocaust in the 1st place.

One does not “survive” a death camp. To claim to have survived four of them is patently absurd. Why would you even bother moving people to camps on “death marches” to kill them when you could just shoot them immediately upon capture? If the Germans needed the captive labour, why would they execute their own workforce?

The Holocaust narrative is ridiculous. It doesn’t bear up to even the most cursory scrutiny.
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June 11, 2018 8:33am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  How did this line of argument end for David Irving?
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:49am
- KevOB
  
  Cripes, the newsreel people musta worked overtime in 1945 to fake all those almost skeleton zombies. Hard to get those sunken in ribs on real humans who were actually moving. Were animatronics used? There were so many half-dead they must have started preparing several years ahead. Huge piles of dead-dead too but they are much easier to fake. Very scary movies for the Saturday flea pit.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:56am
- Psycho Milt
  
  One does not “survive” a death camp.
  
  And yet, many did. Contrary to mythology, the Nazis weren’t superhumans of unparalleled efficiency.
  
  Why would you even bother moving people to camps on “death marches” to kill them when you could just shoot them immediately upon capture?
  
  Disingenuous. The Nazis did in fact march most of the prisoners in their Poland-based camps to German camps as the Red Army approached, and a lot of the prisoners died on the way (funnily enough, people who are exhausted, starving and under-dressed don’t cope well with forced route marches in freezing temperatures). That’s plenty good enough reason to refer to them as “death marches,” even though killing the prisoners wasn’t the purpose of them.
  
  You might well ask why the Nazis did such a pointless and stupid thing, but it would have to get in the queue of questions about all the other stupid and pointless things they did.
  
  If the Germans needed the captive labour, why would they execute their own workforce?
  
  They didn’t execute their captive labour, they worked it to death, same as the Soviets. That’s why the “death marches” consisted of people like Gina Turgen and Anne Frank rather than adult labourers.
  
  The Holocaust narrative is ridiculous. It doesn’t bear up to even the most cursory scrutiny.
  
  It has many aspects that are most likely propaganda, urban myth or self-aggrandising personal accounts, just like everything else in history. And yet, history happens regardless…
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:11am
- stinkypete
  
  investigating the holocaust
  ha
  have you talked to people who were there
  if not kindly STFU
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:45am
kowtow

“If a powerful knowledge curriculum means recreating the best that has been thought by dead, white men – then I’m not very interested in it,” Ms Bousted said.

Nothing good came from “white” education.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/06/08/schools-must-look-beyond-dead-white-men-make-curriculum-morediverse/
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June 11, 2018 8:35am
- Duxton
  
  kowtow – that Uptick was to thank you for bringing it to our attention: not what it (she?) said.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    No problem.
    
    I’m amazed at the level of anti male racism coming from the mouths of these white middle class types. Fashionable “progressivism” I suppose .
    
    Well if children from foreign countries don’t thrive learning English literature in England then perhaps they and their families should go somewhere else for an education , like west or central Africa.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Nothing good, only the complete western civilization.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  Ah yes, that romantic place and time when you had to chase your food.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:36am
- Classic Liberal
  
  How can Bousted know she’s not interested until she’s had a thorough look at it?
  
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  June 11, 2018 1:02pm
Monique Watson

Didn’t sink the Bismarck over the Summit.

Merkel and Trump Rock and Rolled.
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June 11, 2018 8:46am
holysheet

A cop in Mt Roskill stops Stoopidboy leading a goat down the street. He asks “What are you doing with a goat in the middle of town?”
Stoopidboy says, “I am taking it home to keep it in my house.”
The copper asks, “What about all the flies, the shit and the stink?”
Stoopidboy thinks a moment and replies, “The goat will just have to get used to it.”
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June 11, 2018 8:47am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy had a little billy goat.
  He took it to St Lukes.
  Stephieboy had coffee. The little billy goat had none.
  Stephieboy and the little billy goat went home and (…)
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:49am
Nostradamus

PM Jacinda Ardern worries about superwoman example

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she’s not superwoman – and she worries about other expectant mums feeling the pressure to follow her example.

Jacinda is correct for once – she’s not superwoman.

There was nothing to worry about with Peters in charge and she wasn’t relinquishing control completely. If a Labour minister, erred, for instance, or major decisions were required, she would expect to be involved.

Sheesh, based on recent trends, Jacinda will need to be on 24/7 standby!

If Peters is out of the country or cannot fulfil the role for whatever reason Ardern’s deputy, Kelvin Davis, would be next in line as acting prime minister.

Excuse me for a moment. (Ha ha ha!) Ok, I’m back!
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June 11, 2018 8:59am
- Rich Prick
  
  Super stupid little girl perhaps. If Winston has a stroke, we get Mr “don’t talk to me like that”. Great.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:06am
  - CHFR1
    
    It is amazing the difference between the fantasy pre birth and the reality post birth. I had all kinds of fantasies of how it would be when my daughter came into the world and the reality of post birth hormones, fog of lack of sleep and general reality we had let a little terrorist into our household came as quite a shock.
    I should add I was warned and held no illusions as our PM seems to be doing.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:34am
    - Rich Prick
      
      It’s the sycophantic media coverage that’s doing my head in. Cindy seriously believes her shining example is putting pressure on other pregnant women? Give us a break. The most I want to know is that it is safely up on all fours. That would be if I cared, but I don’t.
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:44am
      - igm
        
        When is Crockery going to take up residence in one of the now “clean” meth houses with Gayboy and the illegitimate bulge? They will be able to throw a house warming party with Gluckman doing the waiting!
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:12am
    - lifesgood
      
      Our first baby had colic. Has she even thought of that possibility? He screamed and screamed for the first 3 months. Wonder how fisher boy would deal with that? We thought we’d have this cherubic pink and white bundle nestled in a pretty cradle sleeping peacefully between feeds. Reality can be a bitch. I hasten to say that boy was, and is, much loved always.
      
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      June 11, 2018 2:08pm
- Paulus
  
  Whadda ya mean she is not the real Wonderwoman.
  Now I am disappointed !
  I thought all the women voted for her because she was better than all of them after all.
  And better still when she told them that Clarke had got her pregnant.
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:07am
  - Piniwi
    
    But Paulus even funnier when we are told the bulge is the result of a side order and not the conventional means of propagation. It enhances the most lasting impression she generates. Artificial.
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:44pm
- KevOB
  
  She was looking very tired and wary too. If she can’t let go at this stage when will she ever? Has power got to her?
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:20am
- Local Miller
  
  ‘Ardern told TVNZ’s Q+A programme she was “desperate” not to let the country down’
  
  Too late me thinks.
  
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  June 11, 2018 12:09pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh that’s a good one. Lol, lol, lol.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:09pm
waikatogirl

“Jacinda is correct for once – she’s not superwoman.”

It is obvious Cindy believes her own self-promotion that she is actually “superwoman”. ? ??

Easier when you are earning a $250000 pay packet.
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June 11, 2018 9:07am
- Nostradamus
  
  Waikatogirl:
  
  You’ve reminded me of David Cunliffe:
  
  In February [2014] Cunliffe attacked Prime Minister John Key for living in an expensive house, suggesting Key needed to leave his leafy suburb to see how other people lived. Cunliffe defined his own home in Herne Bay as a doer-upper – even though it is worth $2.5 million – and his own situation as middle of the road. Key told Parliament: “I live in Parnell and I am proud of it. That member (Cunliffe) lives in Herne Bay. He just does not want his supporters to know.”
  
  We’ll have to monitor the Register of Pecuniary and Other Specified Interests of Members of Parliament to see how Jacinda copes with having more money than she ever saw in a fish and chip shop!
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:19am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Nostra, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for people earning good money and doing well in life. More power to them. Cindy doesn’t need to grandstand from her lofty PM perch saying she isn’t superwoman when she clearly means she is succeeding doing the lot. Let’s not forget she chose to become PM knowing she was pregnant.
    I’m just saying it is easier to achieve all when you have the money, as opposed to the majority of women in NZ. Time will tell if superwoman Cindy can maintain both job and baby.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:35am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      “Time will tell if superwoman Cindy can maintain both job and baby.”
      
      It won’t really.
      
      She’ll keep the job and sacrifice the baby – not overtly – just ignore it as they encourage all mothers to these days. I mean, children don’t really need mothers. Anyone or anything will do to ‘raise’ them and anywhere. It will be fed, clothed, housed, and educated. That’s all that matters, right?
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:55am
      - Komata
        
        AGE
        
        So she’ll raise it in the ‘true’ socialist way then – as we saw in Soviet Russia and communist China under Mao?
        
        Can’t see that the child will have a happy life as a result, but hey, who cares ; it’s all about the ‘ideology’ isn’t it; anything that gets in the way is either ignored or abused….
        
        Poor kid.
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:12am
      - KevOB
        
        Perhaps she’ll hand it over to James to take care of in the House.
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:22am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        If your opinion is that child-rearing is women’s work, feel free. No-one’s going to force you back out into the fields to till the soil with a baby on your back.
        
        But, and I know this is a tough one that you really struggle with, so I’m typing it very slowly: other people don’t necessarily share your opinion.
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        Komata , all women should be out toiling in the rice or potato fields a day after birth?
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:50am
      - Local Miller
        
        Psycho – If your a man, your welcome to raise tho baby as long as you can breast feed it.
        
        I don’t have a problem with men raising CHILDREN, but BABIES need their mothers far as long as possible, not just 6 weeks.
        
        The socialist idea that Mum can “pop them out and hand them over to daycare” is BS. Go spend a few hours in a daycare center and see how neglected all the babies are when compared to a “stay at home mum”.
        
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        June 11, 2018 12:15pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I’ve been primary caregiver for a six-month old with my non-functional male nipples, and it worked fine because there’s this wonderful new invention called bottles. You can even bottle-feed them breast milk.
        
        I expect most women wouldn’t want to go back to work again after only six weeks, but then most women aren’t the prime minister, and most women don’t have the crew of flunkies that a prime minister does.
        
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        June 11, 2018 12:44pm
      - lifesgood
        
        But she will trot it out for photo ops and Sunday morning brunches in Ponsonby, like a designer handbag.
        
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        June 11, 2018 2:12pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Anne, you quite right. Times have apparently changed and not for the better. The old democrat Hilary the Horrible says it takes a village to raise a child. ?
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:40pm
      - Piniwi
        
        @Local Miller you might also understand there is big trap that will be well disguised and beckoning for a new mother especially of a late first baby. It is very likely in the short 6 weeks of concentrated care from the mother who might breast feed that the child will become very “mother” dependant. Even at 6 weeks they seek the comfort and security of the mother/baby bond developing a clinging nature.
        This could make life hell for the house boy unlike any other encounter he has ever been confronted with. This child is due to invade a household far removed from a stable two parent family environment especially where longevity might at the very least be uncertain. There is serious dose of reality to come in the near future for these misfits that will all be far from the maddening crowd and the Media party.
        
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        June 12, 2018 12:01am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I’m just saying it is easier to achieve all when you have the money, as opposed to the majority of women in NZ.
      
      Well, duh. Only you didn’t need to say it, because Ardern already beat you to it, saying:
      
      “That I’m able to do what I’m doing because I have enormous support around me, and actually, that makes me quite privileged. So I wouldn’t want to be held up as some kind of exemplar because it’s not easy, and I’m lucky.”
      
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      June 11, 2018 11:40am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Earning’ or being paid ?
  
  No doubt she puts the hours in ( spreading “progressive” crap at primary schools) but earning that tax payer lolly is another matter.
  
  She’s crashing the economy almost single handedly so her efforts don’t deserve that sort of remuneration.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:26am
  - Piniwi
    
    That kowtow is just the illusion of “working” since every important decision has been deferred and 120 plus groups are currently deciding the counties fate by design. It is in fighting and covering for those in witless protection that is keeping her busy not to mention the covering up of the massive cracks in the COL. We can be assured she is busy but only busy being busy for the wrong reasons. Suffice to say the backing down by Angry Andy signals the total lack of unity in the COL where they all seem to be pushing their own agendas. “Remember upon the conduct of each depends the fate of all.” Alexander the Great.
    
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    June 12, 2018 12:17am
- RF
  
  Waikatogirl
  
  Thought it was closer to $500,000.00.
  
  We should ask the boy friend. He will know the correct amount down to the last cent.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:32am
  - Harkman
    
    I think it is above that.
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:54am
  - Piniwi
    
    But RF expect the shower of baby plethora that will be “given” simply for brand recognition and only need to be declared is a cumulative figure is discovered. Discovered as figures are not a strong point of the COL.
    
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    June 12, 2018 12:21am
- Harkman
  
  Someone was talking to a relative in the UK (married to a Brit) and she knew everything about our Cindy. Seems our little Airhead loves giving interviews with the UK media.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:57am
  - GazzaW
    
    The Guardian and Beeb TV seem to be particular favourites.
    
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    June 11, 2018 1:51pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  It is obvious Cindy believes her own self-promotion that she is actually “superwoman”
  
  This would be the self-promotion of herself as a superwoman in which she goes out of her way to say she isn’t some kind of superwoman and her ability to do all this is due to the intensive support she gets as a privilege of her position as PM? Oh, yeah, that’s just blatant! What a bitch!
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:15am
Manolo

Trump blasts Trudeau:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/allies-bid-paper-over-cracks-fractious-g7-summit-052604839.html

The US blamed Canada on Sunday for the disastrous ending to the G7 summit, saying Prime Minister Justin Trudeau “stabbed us in the back,” while American allies held Washington responsible.

Just minutes after a joint G7 communique was published Saturday in summit host city Quebec, President Donald Trump launched a Twitter broadside, taking exception to comments made by Trudeau at a news conference and saying he had instructed US representatives not to endorse the joint communique.
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June 11, 2018 9:19am
Manolo

As always: selling smoke all the way:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-pope/pope-francis-says-praying-that-korea-summit-leads-to-peace-idUSKBN1J60HQ

“I want, once more, to offer the beloved people of Korea an especial thought of friendship and prayer that the talks which will take place in the coming days in Singapore can contribute to the development of a positive path that guarantees a peaceful future for the Korean peninsula and for the whole world,” the pope said in his regular Sunday address.
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June 11, 2018 9:22am
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Can things get more moronic from the one one who probably now thinks he can Pardon himself?

“Trump Considers Pardoning Muhammad Ali, Whose Conviction Was Already Overturned”

“President Trump said he was “doing recommendations on Muhammad Ali.” In 1971, the Supreme Court overturned Ali’s draft evasion conviction, and President Jimmy Carter issued a blanket amnesty in 1977.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/us/politics/fact-check-trump-pardon-muhammad-ali.html

Seriously MR President who should think more about giving yourself your own amnesty for draft dodging!

LOL
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June 11, 2018 9:24am
- Inandout
  
  You have just returned from Trademe message board. Wondered where you were.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:31am
- Harkman
  
  Firstly you are incorrect, on the South Lawn a journalist said would you pardon Ali because he pardoned Jack Johnson, he replied that he would prefer to pardon people like Alice Johnson. Fake News and you got your story wrong again, classic ?
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman , the President draft dodging fake news?
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:23am
RF

It has been reported that pupils from a high school down in Christchurch have been busy planting native trees in an earthquake damaged area from where houses have been removed.

Will Indiana Jones claim these as part of his billion trees ?
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June 11, 2018 9:27am
Manolo

Italy takes a hard stance against the hordes of African invaders.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-matteo-salvini-immigration-rescue-shut-port-league-malta-refugee-migrant-a8392571.html

Italy will refuse to let a humanitarian ship carrying more than 600 refugees and migrants dock at its ports and has asked the Mediterranean island of Malta to open its doors to the vessel.

Malta brushed off the request, saying it had nothing to do with the rescue operation, opening the prospect of a diplomatic rift between the two European Union allies.

The move by Italy’s new interior minister, Matteo Salvini, who is also head of the anti-immigrant League, represents an opening gambit to make good on his electoral promises to halt the flow of migrants into the country.
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June 11, 2018 9:32am
Anne Glen Eden

LOL. Poor Steve Braunias. Who gave him this assignment of DWTS? He appears to be having some sort of breakdown… all because of David Seymour.

Mind you, have you ever seen a better demonstration of the cliche NZ has become? It’s all ‘racist’, apparently.

“First they came for the Persians”… I think that was more to do with her past publicity (not that I’m really aware of it) but I think it was her own doing. It was sad because she was the best dancer but it’s the public which Braunias and his ilk have ‘trained’ who are his problem. Once they identify a ‘victim’, they go for the jugular.

“And then they came for Maori.” Well, Marama Fox couldn’t dance and, unlike Naz, didn’t even attempt to be part of DWTS. Her only goal, as ever, was to be ‘Maori’ – she’s incapable of any other facet or depth, it seems. That’s her sum total. Unfortunately, it wasn’t intended to be a kapa haka or cultural competition. Robert Rakete probably just didn’t stand out with anything – sort of nowhere, notwithstanding I liked his last routine. I don’t know why people didn’t vote for him – possibly because he doesn’t inspire extremes of anything.

Shaz, along with the Marama and Robert, has taught me something though. I always viewed Maori as ‘Pacific’ and equate them with rhythm and song. DWTS is the first time I’ve noticed that they physically move like blocks of wood. They’re really not ‘Pacific’ – or in terms of ‘hula’ type flexibility. Shaz was the best last night she’s ever been – perhaps that’s why they thought she looked nervous. Perhaps she was because it’s so ‘foreign’ – sort of ‘unseemly’.

You have to laugh, though. Braunias (like all Left/liberals) manages to take a concept of English culture and heritage and claim it’s not ‘culture’ or is a ‘cultural wasteland’. I suppose that’s ‘modern’ and certainly what’s been preached for some decades. If it’s not ‘black culture’, it’s not ‘culture’ – and I mean, no-one has a right to any culture which is not all or partially ‘black culture’. Not.

DWTS, in principle if not in practice, is ballroom dancing – the elite aspect of European dancing as folk dancing was for the ‘common’ people. And the problem is? On what possible grounds is it a ‘wasteland’? Why should the practice of European cultural heritage – and an enjoyable, healthy pastime – be called ‘white entitlement’ in derogatory terms. Of course they’re ‘entitled’ – it’s their culture – notwithstanding they’re willing to include anyone who wants to participate. Unlike Maori.

Braunia proves his own accusations. The ‘white majority’ is endangered – precisely because their culture and heritage is denied to exist and/or forbidden to be practised. Kapa haka is intensely, purposely, and overtly racist – I seriously doubt they’d tolerate a European ballroom dancer being introduced into one of their kapa haka routines – but they’re allowed.

Having said all that, I suppose Braunias decided it would not be popular to attack Jess. I like Jess, and she’s brave. But she’s another block of wood. She’s there because she’s disabled. I suppose Braunias would say because she’s ‘white’ and disabled. I suspect it’s just the ‘disabled’.

What a hoot, though. Because the entire cliched caricaturing rant is because – he really, really hates David Seymour. Not only can he not believe that people would vote for David, he can’t believe that people won’t do what Braunias tells them to do. So he’s tried disparagement, abuse, ordering people not to vote for him; then he made an attempt to lighten up in the hope of looking less vindictive; now he’s in full on reverse psychology – Vote David, Vote David.

He’s simply hysterical. But it’s interesting to see what such unreasoning hatred and hysteria produce – all the racist Left/liberal garbage we’ve been subjected to for the last few decades throughout society.
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June 11, 2018 9:37am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I sat near Braunias at National’s campaign launch in West Auckland last year. The more the crowd cheered Bill English, the darker his expression got.
  
  As everyone was leaving, I said something flippant like “Pretty impressive eh Steve?”. I was greeted with a look of contempt, and headed home, pleased with having done God’s work 😀
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:19am
- Longknives
  
  Forgive me if I am wrong but-
  Isn’t David Seymour Maori??
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:25am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Didn’t know that. It seems he is – Ngāti Rēhia.
    
    Well, that explains his ‘block of wood’ dancing ability.
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:31am
- Flash
  
  I know of people who vote for David (text David 3333) but never look at the show.
  He reminds me of a rather bad Mr Bean impersonator. I never found the original funny either.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:28am
  - Longknives
    
    I’ve voted two weeks in a row.
    I just love how butthurt the Left are about his presence on a shitty reality TV show!
    
    *I’ve never watched an episode..
    
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    June 11, 2018 11:19am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      #Metoo
      
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      June 11, 2018 1:56pm
  - GazzaW
    
    I can’t stand DTWS and leave the room as soon as it starts. However, I vote for Seymour on a weekly basis.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:09pm
BeaB

Steve Braunias, like the lame cartoonists in the Herald, don’t seem to have caught up with the fact that National is no longer the government. Or else, Jacinda and her motley crew are just too sacred for them to lampoon. Lots of rich pickings there you would think they would find hard to resist, except for their partisan blinkers.
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June 11, 2018 9:56am
- Harkman
  
  Yes they’re all leftists that’s why the local rags are dying. They’ll have to give them away free soon.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:05am
  - GazzaW
    
    We are three weeks into a five week free sub to the Herald that was offered to AA members. The Herald emailed me last week with an offer of $7 per week once the free period is over which includes the Weekend and Sunday editions. I surveyed the family for their call and got a unanimous ‘No’ – that today’s edition is still sitting in the mailbox and will go straight from there to the blue bin is proof that they can’t give it away.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:16pm
- lifesgood
  
  Poor Braunias. He can’t even drive a car. What a sad loser.
  
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  June 11, 2018 2:16pm
Stars And Stripes

Just returned from one of my regular trips to the Philippines and I was amazed to find that Ardern is quite a topic of conversation amongst sections of the population over there.
They first saw her at the East Asia Summit in late 2017 but subsequent baby headlines are what has really got people talking.
They seemed fairly blasé about the fact she is a prime minister and pregnant but pretty much universally they were bemused why Ardern and some of the NZ population would actually be proud of her situation(not married and pregnant with a boyfriend) as in their country this is a sign of loose morals and a poor upbringing.
I attempted to explain that being married with children is crusty and old fashioned in NZ now and is virtually frowned upon and only enlightened progressive people adopted alternative family arrangements such as hers but this kind of went down like a cup of cold sick so I didn’t bother trying to explain anymore after a while.
So Ardern has definitely left her mark in some countries overseas but whether it is a good one is a completely different story.
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June 11, 2018 10:06am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I’d love to know how many of them would apply if NZ opened the floodgates (even wider). . .
  Kiwis desperate to leave and move there for good ? Not so much.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:14am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Millions of them would apply but I suspect the government would make sure most would not qualify as they still follow values which are completely incompatible with NZ life like not abusing women and living on welfare so immigrants from other shitholes like Afghanistan or Pakistan would be much preferred.
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:29am
    - RalphT
      
      They’d be bound to let in the Muslims from the South as they have the values we so badly need. The Christians from the rest of the country? Nah, they wouldn’t fit in.
      
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      June 11, 2018 10:41am
      - Piniwi
        
        @Ralph T don’t expect many of them and if you know any local history the Muslims are intent on self governance in their own little state. They are welcoming displaced terrorists from across the world to assist in their cause.
        
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        June 12, 2018 12:40am
    - Piniwi
      
      Perhaps Stars And Stripes but NZ Immigration do not make it easy in any way shape or form for them to migrate there. They are however increasingly dependent on the right skilled who want to get across the border.
      
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      June 12, 2018 12:37am
  - GazzaW
    
    Anyone who complains about Filipino immigrants has to be a tad xenophobic. Ask the people of Southland where so many have become involved in dairying. They are extremely community minded, hardworking, crime free and if you ask any teacher their kids are highly motivated and a dream to teach. From personal experience Filipino nurses working in NZ hospitals are highly professional and trained under the US system where practical time on the job is deemed to be more valuable than a uni degree.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:28pm
    - Sam_Bro
      
      A US system in New Zealand = ZERO
      
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      June 11, 2018 2:34pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But Left Right and Centre it remains one of the 9 cheapest places to retire while the bulk of the population have no idea where NZ is. They know there are cows and mountains but finding on a globe is akin to pinning the tail on the donkey even without the blindfold.
    
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    June 12, 2018 12:32am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Er, yeah – if only western democracies could be more like those awesome Third World countries we’re all queuing up to emigrate to, wouldn’t we all be so much better off?
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:18am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I thought the term “third world ” was offensive for progressives these days or does that only apply if they are not making negative comments about Ardern?.
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:36am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Dunno. It might be offensive to some of them, but if so I’m not among them.
      
      In any case, so what? Are you thinking a rose by any other name would not smell as sweet?
      
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      June 11, 2018 11:33am
- GoVege
  
  Wonderful place the Phillipines.
  If Jacinda had been born there, she would have 10 kids by now… 🙂
  
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  June 11, 2018 1:49pm
Poppa

Well then, Peters is not playing ball with Little on the 3 strikes repeal.

That will cause a little bit of angst in the ranks.

Perhaps the silly little girl needs to have a conversation
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June 11, 2018 10:27am
- alex Masterley
  
  And put a concerned face on.
  
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  June 11, 2018 10:29am
- 4077th
  
  It begs the question, why did Little even bring it up if he knew the drunken dwarf would 86 it? Or was it “lets see if we can get this done while the dwarf is not watching”..? Seems they were going to do it and do it quickly. No word from the Dwarf just Little swallowing copious, filthy, dead rats.
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:00am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A little virtue signalling for true believers?
    
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    June 11, 2018 12:51pm
GazzaW

Peters showing who is going to be the boss for the next six weeks?

Lovely ammunition for Question Time this week.
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June 11, 2018 10:31am
MrTips

In breaking news, the rugby world has been rocked by revelations that the footy boots belonging to All Blacks super-sub Damien McKenzie have tested positive for performance enhancing drugs. The shocking news comes just hours after McKenzie, a clean athlete himself, celebrated winning the Saturday test against a French team purportedly playing like a goat loaded with downers. McKenzie’s phenomenal array of rugby talents secured the victory by a screaming margin, but IRB authorities face a difficult decision after his boots made a teary admission late yesterday evening.

“I believe it was Damien’s left boot that came forward first, stating that he couldn’t keep up with the play-makers blistering speed, so took to steroids to try and keep up,” NZ rugby aficionado and TwitFace commentator Jistyn Twice-Nightly claimed.

The left-boot is set to face tough questions, with many coming from McKenzie himself, who sources claim is said to be devastated by this betrayal. Unofficial reports claim the left boot as stating in an official confession to the IRB;

“How the hell are we supposed to keep up with this guy? He runs faster than a young Labour supporter down a Wellington street at midnight and he bloody well wants to win everything!!”

So far no rugby balls have been implicated in the use of performance enhancing drugs; however, officials noted the match ball took two weeks off prior to the test to enter an intensive program designed to focus on “personal issues”.
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June 11, 2018 10:35am
Manolo

The European Left is up in arms. They want more African refugees:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/10/italy-shuts-ports-to-rescue-boat-with-629-migrants-on-board

However in defiance of Salvini’s orders, Leoluca Orlando, mayor of Palermo, said he was ready to open the town’s seaport to allow the rescue boat, Aquarius, to dock and disembark in the Sicilian capital.

Orlando said: “Palermo in ancient Greek meant ‘complete port’. We have always welcomed rescue boats and vessels who saved lives at sea. We will not stop now. Salvini is violating the international law. He has once again shown that we are under an extreme far-right government.’’

The decision was backed by other mayors in Italy’s south, including those in Naples, Messina and Reggio Calabria, who all said they were ready to disobey Salvini’s order and allow Aquarius to dock and disembark in their seaports.
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June 11, 2018 10:49am
- rangitoto
  
  At least the flood from Syria has stopped. Thanks to Macedonia blocking the border with Greece.
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  I doubt Orlando will be opening his home to displaced refugees. Typical leftie. A lifetime spent telling others how their lives should be spent.
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:20am
Left Right and Centre

All Blacks as role models.

Ever wonder what type of work elite pro rugby players would do if they’d never played ?
AB debutante prop 25-year-old Karl Tu’inukuafe – former security guard and bouncer.

Where can I get tickets to that motivational seminar ?
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June 11, 2018 11:07am
ex-golfer

I am starting to sense that Abby Wilson has made a big mistake with her “expose” on the ructions at NZ Cycling.
Anthony Peden is now off to China to be their national cycling coach. His results with NZ Cycling speak for themselves. A no-nonsense coach selecting athletes on form getting the best out of them.
I believe this beat up is being led by cyclists who were told they did not fit the bill and were therefore not selected – so they have skewered Pedan.
Pedan has done the right thing and gone to where he is wanted. Very similar to when Dick Tonks left Rowing NZ.
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June 11, 2018 11:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘I believe’ you have no idea what you are taking about.
  
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  June 11, 2018 12:57pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    ‘I believe”….in fact “I know” that you are an idiot.
    
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    June 11, 2018 1:54pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yeah because knobbing one of the team and ensuring she is selected is pretty standard in high performance coaching.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:45pm
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Breaking News the Duchess and Duke of Sussex are coming to NZ in October,

Prince Harry and Meghan are coming to New Zealand,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/104611076/prince-harry-and-meghan-are-coming-to-new-zealand

Tremendous photo opportunities for our PM and her “ royal “babe. I can picture Jacinda and Clarke with their babe and the Prince and Princess on a picnic rug at Government House grounds.

Sensational and unfettered joy for our nation and the world to behold.
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June 11, 2018 11:34am
- Manolo
  
  Excellent way of taking the piss, dear stephieboy. I congratulate you in your Muslim sense of humour. 😀
  
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  June 11, 2018 11:52am
- Longknives
  
  Two potential problems with that Stephieboy-
  1) Your beloved Jacinda openly detests the Royal Family- She has been banging on about us becoming a ‘Republic’ for years..
  2) You reckon Jacinda would let Clarke anywhere near the Duchess of Sussex?
  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Like%20a%20rat%20up%20a%20drain%20pipe
  
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  June 11, 2018 12:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I don’t see why supporting a republic could be inconsistent with extending hospitality to some minor royals.
    
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    June 11, 2018 12:15pm
    - sooty
      
      You can bet H1 an H2 wont be there.
      
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      June 11, 2018 1:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What do grades of timber treatment have to do with it?
        
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        June 11, 2018 1:08pm
      - lifesgood
        
        They will be, lefties are always hypocrites.
        
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        June 11, 2018 2:18pm
      - stephieboy
        
        lifesgood , unlike alt righties like yourself?
        
        Sure!
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:26pm
      - sooty
        
        You know thick as two planks!
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:29pm
  - Inandout
    
    When there is a buzzy bee involved our princess will be most compliant. Poor Cinders doesn’t know what she is in for when baby arrives. It isn’t a Ponsonby toy.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:10pm
    - Komata
      
      Inandout
      
      Sadly, I suspect that the new child will be exactly that, especially when ‘Mummy’ beomes tired of it.
      
      Given Ms Adern’s oft-stated dislike of ‘Capitalists’ and ‘the Rich’ one has to wonder if a ‘Nanny / Ayah’ will be employed to care for the new one. It wouldn’t surprise me…
      
      And NO-ONE in the media will say a word…
      
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      June 11, 2018 3:22pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Jacinda only sucks up to the royals to keep on side with the readers of ‘No Idea’ and ‘Aussie Womans Weakly’.
    
    Her UN CV will state the complete opposite.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:44pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cindy surely is now in favour of the royal family after a private audience with Queen Elizabeth, and the spotlight for her and Clarkey at the heads of Commonwealth reception at Buck House in her feather cloak. ?
    
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    June 11, 2018 3:58pm
mikenmildagain

If we got a Donald J Trump leading us, this is the job I would want:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164
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June 11, 2018 11:48am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Seems kind of fitting that the Donald J. Trump section of the US Archives will look like the president was an ADHD kid on the wrong dose of Ritalin. Should serve to give future historians a very accurate picture of his presidency, though.
  
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  June 11, 2018 12:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Real historians won’t need those trivial scraps of paper. The full glorious story of the Trump presidency will only need an archive of Fox shows for an unbiased record.
    
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    June 11, 2018 1:04pm
RRM

Heard some artillery fire in Wellington at mid day. it went on for quite some time like they were doing a 21 gun salute in salvoes of 3.

Local news is saying nothing about any state visits, and there don’t appear to be any royal matches, hatches or dispatches today.

Anybody know what’s going on?
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June 11, 2018 12:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Birthday of HRH the Duke of Edinburgh
  
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  June 11, 2018 12:16pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There’s at least one downticking leftist who hates Prince Philip’s life of service.
    
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    June 11, 2018 1:00pm
    - pentwig
      
      stop downticking your alt left mates’ comments sillyboy
      
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      June 11, 2018 1:24pm
      - sooty
        
        At least when HRH Prince Philip opens his gob, he has a bit of comedy about it. Not like someone close to home who should just put a cake init!
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:27pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Japanese invading.
  
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  June 11, 2018 3:00pm
Fletch

Have you seen this bullshit going on in Queensland? It’s getting too close to home.

‘Gendered language’ banned at Australian universities

“She”, “mankind” and “workmanship” are among the gendered terms that some Australian universities have now banned.

In a move towards gender neutrality, some universities have taken to banning any words with gendered meaning.

As a result, students are losing marks on assignments if they are seen to be using language that isn’t inclusive.

Queensland University of Technology has employed the policy, excluding terms such as ‘wife of’ or ‘mother of’ as exclusive words, and has deemed the suffix ‘man’ as sexist.

The University of Sydney claims it would prefer its students to just be grammatically incorrect over being politically incorrect.

The acting dean of Humanities and Social Sciences at the University of Queensland, Professor Julie Dick agrees with the decision made by some universities.

“Students are advised to avoid gender-biased language in the same way they are advised to avoid racist language, clichés, contractions, colloquialisms, and slang in their essays,” she says.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/06/gendered-language-banned-at-australian-universities.html
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June 11, 2018 12:26pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I have seen it, although the “bullshit” is in Newshub’s coverage of it. Very clever bullshit, though: lead with a story about QUT “banning” gender-biased terms (which they haven’t), then pasted in a list of “naughty words” nicked from the Daily Mail, suggesting that these are the terms that were supposedly “banned.”
  
  The actual policy is here, and is a fairly straightforward one saying that students will get marked down for gender-biased terms like “mankind” or using the pronoun “he” when both sexes are included.
  
  You can huff and puff about it if you like, but it’s entirely reasonable, just like the Anthropology department will mark you down if your essay is full of references to “heathen savages” or “primitive races.”
  
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  June 11, 2018 1:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Commie – stop raining reality on Fletch’s parade of ignorance.
    
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    June 11, 2018 1:06pm
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh! Wait, what…. ?
      
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      June 11, 2018 1:11pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Psycho:”The actual policy is here, and is a fairly straightforward one saying that students will get marked down for gender-biased terms like “mankind”
    
    “We don’t say mankind…we say Peoplekind” Justin Turdeau
    
    Justin Trudeau corrects woman saying “mankind”, it’s “peoplekind”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z10goVbpLw0
    
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    June 11, 2018 1:59pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      “Peoplekind,” Jesus wept. What, was the word “humanity” already on issue to someone else so he had to make something up or something? “Humankind” is a word that’s also been around for quite a while.
      
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      June 11, 2018 2:53pm
  - lifesgood
    
    There’s an announcer on National radio with the surname Blakeperson. I have never in my life heard such a name. Do you think her surname was actually Blakeman until the idiot PC brigade made her change it?
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:21pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I thought the same thing. After a little research (and re-test of my hearing), it turns of the reporter is Nita Blake-Persen.
      
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      June 11, 2018 2:31pm
      - sooty
        
        Arh, two dads!
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:22pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Give me a break! It isn’t even slightly ‘reasonable’ to forbid the use of ‘mankind’ et al. It’s acute stupidity – philosophical and ideological drivel.
    
    Come to that, there’s nothing wrong with ‘heathen savages’ in the right context – suits ISIS to a T. Perhaps it could be ‘primitive societies/cultures’ rather than ‘primitive races’.
    
    There are times and places where altering language to suit recipients for a specific purpose is necessary or preferable. There are a lot of others where it’s childish, neurotic hairsplitting which just makes things difficult to read/speak.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:23pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      …there’s nothing wrong with ‘heathen savages’ in the right context – suits ISIS to a T.
      
      You do get that Da’Esh are the exact opposite of heathens, right?
      
      Perhaps it could be ‘primitive societies/cultures’ rather than ‘primitive races’.
      
      Perhaps it could, if “primitive” weren’t shorthand for “inferior” in most people’s minds. Until that happens, just don’t – seriously. Someone from one of those cultures might smack you one.
      
      There are times and places where altering language to suit recipients for a specific purpose is necessary or preferable.
      
      Yep. And getting people to stop talking as though men were the sum total of humanity is one of those situations.
      
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      June 11, 2018 2:59pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        You see, that is a big part of the problem about playing falsely with language.
        
        There are a huge number of Muslims who consider ISIS to be ‘heathen savages’ – not practising valid Islam at all. That is the meaning of ‘heathen’ – ‘someone who does not belong to a widely held religion (especially one who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim) as regarded by those who do.’
        
        I consider the use of ‘heathen’ to describe them as being entirely accurate. What they pronounce of themselves is meaningless – they don’t define Islam or anything else.
        
        On the one hand, I can’t imagine coming across someone from a ‘primitive society’ (although I’ve used it in connection with the Irish at times and we’re becoming more primitive every day). It’s something I would more apply to the highlands of PNG or the wilds of the Amazon. But then, I’m using it accurately to say what I mean. You’re redefining it as an abusive term, based on what you think is ‘in some people’s minds’. That’s abusing the language – you’re evidently only partially literate as well and is where the problem lies for everyone.
        
        There is no time when I have felt that ‘men were the sum total of humanity’. If anyone does feel that, they’ve got much bigger problems than the language. And again, those neurotic ‘problems’ are being ignored.
        
        As Longknives refers to below, when Neil Armstrong broadcast, ‘One small step for man; one giant leap for mankind’ there was no part of me that didn’t feel included in ‘mankind’. To teach whole generations that it ‘excluded’ women is a destructive distortion of reality, if only because we all know that no man would exist without a woman’s body and will. There is no one without the other – it’s not possible.
        
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        June 11, 2018 4:26pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        There are a huge number of Muslims who consider ISIS to be ‘heathen savages’ – not practising valid Islam at all.
        
        Big whoop. The reason Muslim leaders have such a hard time dealing with Da’Esh is that, whatever else you might say about them, they are most definitely Muslims. Any re-defining of Islam to exclude them would be dishonest or deluded.
        
        I’m using it accurately to say what I mean. You’re redefining it as an abusive term, based on what you think is ‘in some people’s minds’.
        
        Well, yeah. Just like, for example, if you were to call Judith Collins fat. You’d be using the term accurately to say what you mean, and I’d be “redefining it as an abusive term,” based on how I think most people would see it.
        
        There is no time when I have felt that ‘men were the sum total of humanity’.
        
        And yet, as someone supposedly concerned with using terms accurately, you’re happy to use language that says exactly that.
        
        …when Neil Armstrong broadcast, ‘One small step for man; one giant leap for mankind’ there was no part of me that didn’t feel included in ‘mankind’.
        
        Well, that’s nice for you. Others felt differently.
        
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        June 11, 2018 6:27pm
  - KevOB
    
    They have ceased to be universities.
    
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    June 11, 2018 4:56pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Not sure why you think it’s ‘getting too close to home’. It’s been here for a very long time.
  
  My essays at Auckland Uni suffered extensive red pen strikes through such words as ‘mankind’ et al several decades ago and was accompanied by extensive comment in tutorials.
  
  Not least in the tutorials was the insistence that I (along with everyone else) had been brainwashed into my female ‘gender’ identification and its inherent inferiority. The evidence of my father’s skill in doing this was signified by my inability to identify how or when he was doing it – who always insisted I could be/do anything I wanted to be/do and had no problem with me donning his overalls to work on my car, etc. (shocked a few men at Repco though) and expected the same from everyone else.
  
  The problem with me and Uni was that my father (and mother, come to that) insisted I be rational, practical, and use the intelligence I was given at all times. This was in direct conflict with the mass stupidity of irrational and impractical academic and political ‘groupthink’ and mind control that has now prevailed for some time.
  
  As far as survival in the PC world goes, I was very inappropriately socialised – can’t say I regret it though.
  
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  June 11, 2018 2:11pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I hate to tell you this, but dogmatic assertion of your opinions as facts isn’t what “rational” means.
    
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    June 11, 2018 3:00pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Oh, so you do recognise that – but only when you’re projecting it onto others. Self-awareness is requisite for rational i.e. logical thought processes.
      
      As opposed to dogmatically asserting an ideological position, redefining everything by that particular context, and forbidding any/all academic study/achievement unless framed in that context. I could call it narcissistic navel-gazing.
      
      No academic environment should be so blinded by frivolous, adamant, ideologically based, technical aspects of communication that it loses sight of the basic content and/or quality of the area of study – unless it’s study of those technical aspects – especially when it seeks to impede or unnecessarily complicate the linguistic flow.
      
      There is nothing ‘rational’ about those language rules. It would be far more logical to tell people to make any choice they like or according to their ‘gender’. It is how they view the world.
      
      In the current world of all genders being on a continuum with some really unable to choose, it would be a more logical PC pronoun to use ‘it’, in any case, instead of ‘he’ or ‘she’. That would, of course, imply they were brainless objects – but that’s becoming more appropriate every day.
      
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      June 11, 2018 3:34pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Meanwhile, back here in the reality-based community, the “narcissistic navel-gazing” is something altogether more prosaic, as pointed out by QUT’s dean of hums/SS:
        
        “Students are advised to avoid gender-biased language in the same way they are advised to avoid racist language, clichés, contractions, colloquialisms, and slang in their essays,” she says.
        
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        June 11, 2018 3:44pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        LOL.
        
        You really believe the ‘reality-based community’ is what exists in academia (and the PC media)? Yes, I’m sure you really are that arrogant. Hence Brexit, Trump, …..
        
        The ‘reality-based community’ is that which spends their lives working in ordinary jobs, communicating in the simplest, easiest, and most direct way possible to facilitate their purposes, and doesn’t want to spend their time complicating their communication with pointless unnecessary pronouns and clumsy distortions of words of agreed meaning.
        
        Of particular note, though, your quote implies tertiary educated people these days speak or write ‘good’ English. You only have to look at the media (including blogs) to know that is wildly incorrect. A huge number of people are only partially literate – mostly because they’re excused anything so long as they get the PC parts right.
        
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        June 11, 2018 4:00pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        It’s kind of funny that you casually dismiss the world’s universities and media as unrealistic, then describe me as arrogant.
        
        And, yes, there’s a problem with the teaching of written English in recent decades, but that’s not what’s under discussion here.
        
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        June 11, 2018 6:32pm
- Longknives
  
  How are they going to get around Neil Armstrong’s ‘Mankind’ speech in the new movie?
  A bit of artistic license?- ‘One small step for Peoplekind’??
  
  Maybe Michael Collin’s character will be replaced with a black female…
  And surely there was someone Transgender in the NASA control room?
  
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  June 11, 2018 3:38pm
Captain Mainwaring

Our mate Agent BallSack copped himself 3 months in the sin bin on Saturday.
Silly bugger – he’s fun to have on here.
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June 11, 2018 1:15pm
- Nostradamus
  
  AgentBallSack wasted his ammo on Mikenmildagain. On 19 June Kea/Realityczech will be back. It’s clear that AgentBallSack and Kea need to sort out the finer details of their love-hate relationship. Hopefully Kea doesn’t get banned again before AgentBallSack gets back!
  
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  June 11, 2018 1:50pm
- sam green
  
  Yeah – calling for people to suicide is such a hoot.
  
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  June 11, 2018 2:09pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Did anybody say it was?
    Fuckwit.
    
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    June 11, 2018 2:34pm
    - sam green
      
      Nasty – yes you said ABS was good fun – he got busted for being such good fun – didn’t he?
      
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      June 11, 2018 4:16pm
    - itstricky
      
      16 people upticked the ABS comment that got him banned, so yes, it might not have been you but someone said it was.
      
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      June 11, 2018 6:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I feel a little bit bad about ABS copping a ban. He was obviously a bit angry about something, and I can sympathise a little with that. Unfortunately, there are a few wankers at Kiwiblog. As ABS is one of them, however, I think I’ll get over it.
        
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        June 11, 2018 7:18pm
      - itstricky
        
        Unfortunately, there are a few wankers at Kiwiblog.
        
        At least 16.
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:12pm
- GazzaW
  
  So much better if it had been ztev or steffie but it’s only a matter of time.
  
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  June 11, 2018 2:48pm
Monique Watson

After tattooing Hubby with “Quagmire”, and unsuccessfully trying to draw a Cock and Balls on the oldest, I retired hurt. Best sport of today: “The twins wake up and I say: “Go and see what I drew on Dad overnight”!

“Mom, you drew “Quagmire on Dad”?
Me: “Yep haw, haw and he was lucky he didn’t end up with a cock and balls underneath”.
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June 11, 2018 2:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ever thought of putting up a vlog about theWatson whanau?
  
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  June 11, 2018 3:10pm
  - Longknives
    
    Click on her name Maggy..
    It’s actually a good read!
    
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    June 11, 2018 3:32pm
Manolo

Never a dull moment:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/10/trump-fair-trade-should-be-called-fool-trade-if-its-not-reciprocal.html

President Donald Trump lashed out again at U.S. allies Canada and Europe on trade in a Monday morning Twitter post.

The U.S. leader, who is now in Singapore to meet with his North Korean counterpart, said “Fair Trade is now to be called Fool Trade if it is not Reciprocal,” and called into question the trading relationship between his country and some of its closest allies.
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June 11, 2018 3:35pm
- Piniwi
  
  @Manolo he really left them speechless when he told them what reciprocal trade truly means. NZ well knows the problems caused to making trade deals with countries where massive subsidies are dished out. Apart from the SLG stardust there will be minimal agricultural content in any EU deal.
  
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  June 12, 2018 12:57am
Monique Watson

Fucking hell, did you see that? Stuff Live, Ardern has no idea around Iraq or Afghanistan. And the trade-off with Little is shutting down Waikeria prison.
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June 11, 2018 3:36pm
Longknives

“No decision is final until it has gone to Cabinet”- said the backtracking Jacinda Ardern when talking about Law and Order today.

How ironic! Oil and Gas Jacinda? You know- Those 5 to 10 thousand jobs you axed (purely to pad your CV) recently??
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June 11, 2018 3:44pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This is worth a DPF post. Her duplicitousness is breathtaking.
  
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  June 11, 2018 3:51pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Nah she’s just really, really thick. Which takes some doing in that party. It makes Winston look like some sort of special needs teacher.
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:52pm
Fletch

Can anyone recommend the warmest heater to heat a 5 x 6 metre living room? I don’t think the fan heater is quite making it today.
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June 11, 2018 4:11pm
- rangitoto
  
  A heat pump.
  
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  June 11, 2018 4:29pm
- wiseowl
  
  Cuddle a dog
  
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  June 11, 2018 7:48pm
Monique Watson

Hahaha. Both Macron and
Trudeau both just got a whomp.
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June 11, 2018 4:12pm
Johnboy

Oh look! Even a local board chairman is too dumb to plan ahead till tomorrow morning…..And stupid enough to publicise it!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104612537/online-grocery-shopping-proves-popular-while-24hour-trading-in-doubt
How do fuckwits like this get into government? 🙂
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June 11, 2018 5:53pm
Morrissey

The New York Times assassinates Razan al-Najjar a second time

It surely does not surprise that the Times provides yeoman’s service for Israeli hasbara. Indeed, one reads Times coverage not to be better informed but from quaint curiosity: How will it filter the damning facts to make them more palatable to its target audience on the Upper East Side?

What happened is not in doubt. As the young woman, dressed in her white medical uniform and with her hands raised in the air, approached an injured protester, she was shot dead by an Israeli sniper.

A few days later, Israeli hasbara released a video purporting to show that al-Najjar was a Hamas dupe and Hamas human shield. The video contained a clip from a past interview in which she is quoted as saying: “I am here on the front line and I act as a human shield.” In fact, the Israeli video falsified al-Najjar’s words. Her actual statement was: “I’m acting as a human rescue shield to protect the injured inside the armistice line.”

If there was a news story here, it should have been headlined, “Israel Releases Doctored Video to Justify Murder of Gaza Paramedic.”

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/06/10/the-new-york-times-second-assassination-of-razan-at-najjar/
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June 11, 2018 5:53pm
- Morrissey
  
  I see three supporters of the murderers of this young woman have registered their loathsome presence.
  
  Shame on you three low-IQ, low-value scumbags.
  
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  June 11, 2018 6:04pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I see at 6:04PM, one terrorist supporter replied to its own post.
    
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    June 11, 2018 6:24pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Another famous groper, hidden by the media for 20 years.
      Expose this one! A good new found friend of Jacinda.
      
      “I’m sorry. If I had known you were reporting for a national newspaper, I would never have been so forward.” [29 years old then]
      
      Say what? That it’s somehow okay to be inappropriate with a young reporter from a small-town weekly, but not to a reporter who might be also making a few extra bucks by stringing her story to a national newspaper?
      —————-
      What would be hashtag be for that? #MeTooButNotYou?
      
      Or #MeTooDepending?
      
      https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/8p9zur/open_eyes_editorial_regarding_accusations_of/
      
      Not much investigation. So never in doubt, so what else is hidden in your reports?
      
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      June 11, 2018 6:36pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Morrissey:
    
    Shame on you three low-IQ, low-value scumbags.
    
    Speaking of low-IQ, Morrissey, how are you getting on with addressing Maggy’s constructive feedback:
    
    You could at least try to fudge a correlative link between a downtick and support for your proposition.
    
    And when can we expect to see a feature item in your ongoing ‘gropers” series regarding the Labour Party sex camp?
    
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    June 11, 2018 6:26pm
    - nasska
      
      Don’t skip the lurid details…..you know…..two male & two female kids felt up by an older sexual deviant at a Young Labour Party function. This after they’ve been rendered “compliant” with copious quantities of booze supplied by said Labour Party.
      
      Points for honesty will be awarded if mention of the fact that the pervert had family in the Labour Party hierarchy is made.
      
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      June 11, 2018 6:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh dear Nostradamus,
      I fear my lessons in logic are proving too difficult.
      
      Look, I’ll make it easy (but no answers yet).
      
      Check out fallacious logic
      
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      June 11, 2018 7:25pm
      - Morrissey
        
        And you, Maggy? Do you support the murder of that young woman?
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:01pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Don’t let a couple of inarticulate downtickers speak for you Maggy. You need to answer that serious question: do you support the murder of that young woman?
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:10pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Morrissey:
        
        Following your fallacious logic, someone’s upticked your 5.53 pm and 6.04 pm comments, so it’s possible that Maggy does support the murder. On the other hand, it’s equally possible that Maggy doesn’t support the murder, but it’s hard to tell because there’s no logical correlation between an uptick/downtick and a person’s philosophical stance on something 🙂
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:11pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Fair comment Nostradamus. Keep up the good work, my friend!
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Morrissey
        
        And you, Maggy? Do you support the murder of that young woman?
        
        Where have you been Morrissey?
        
        Surely you must realise that as a life-long pacifist, I am most unlikely to support any form of violence or abuse against another human.
        
        But why must you try to belittle the horror of Nurse Razan al Najjar’s killing by trying to score a cheap, abusive swipe at some KB readers?
        
        Is that all her shooting means to you – just another item for you to use as a rant against your fellow commenters?
        عار عليكم
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:46pm
  - holysheet
    
    Keep up, it’s 9 now.
    
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    June 11, 2018 6:26pm
Shaun the Sheep

Is there no end to this man’s attention-seeking behaviour?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12068606
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June 11, 2018 6:31pm
- itstricky
  
  Yeah, him & Bob Jones.
  
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  June 11, 2018 6:35pm
- Johnboy
  
  Surely the courts could have him declared a vexatious litigant or somesuch? 🙂
  
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  June 11, 2018 7:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is ztev in charge of Labour ~~communications~~ misinformation, or is he just out of the loop?
Yesterday he assured us that Jacinda would not be going to Mystery Creek,
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/general_debate_10_june_2018.html#comment-2228073
but TV1 news tonight reckoned she would go.

Imagine if some KB reader believed ztev and didn’t turn up to wave and smile at our lovely PM.
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June 11, 2018 6:50pm
- Johnboy
  
  That would be almost as sad as believing that Andrew Little could make binding pronouncements on removing various current laws! 🙂
  
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  June 11, 2018 7:05pm
- nasska
  
  …..”at our lovely PM”…..
  
  Wouldn’t have placed on “A Dog’s Show” ! 🙂
  
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  June 11, 2018 7:13pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Are you so sure? 🙂
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Doggy+smiles&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ486GiMvbAhXHq1QKHRiGDKwQsAQILA&biw=1680&bih=885#imgrc=t4NBlMtmIWgdGM:
    
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    June 11, 2018 7:15pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Perhaps even this! 🙂
      https://www.google.com/search?q=Doggy+smiles&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ486GiMvbAhXHq1QKHRiGDKwQsAQILA&biw=1680&bih=885#imgrc=nEmjTXeY5y6usM:
      
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      June 11, 2018 7:17pm
    - nasska
      
      White Fang’s stare would have reduced those mongrels to gibbering wrecks. Twenty years chauffeuring livestock & thirty as a cocky.
      
      I know my dogs! 🙂
      
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      June 11, 2018 7:18pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Imagine if some KB reader believed ztev and didn’t turn up to wave and smile at our lovely PM.
  
  A Fieldays without Mr Ed is inconceivable!
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:15pm
- itstricky
  
  Yesterday he assured us that Jacinda would not be going
  
  I don’t think he “assured” at all. He responded to a vacant and shallow suggestion that she was breaking some unwritten rule if she didn’t go with a fairly logical statement that it wasn’t practical given she was seconds away from dropping.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He wrote…
    “Jacinda wont be there”
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/general_debate_10_june_2018.html#comment-2228073
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:00pm
    - itstricky
      
      The original question was “what Labour MPs are going to this important function. Usually it’s the PM”
      
      To which ztev said, as you rightly quoted directly – “Jacinda won’t be there”. I, however, took to be a bit of general social commentary on a woman that is 9 months pregnant, not some official statement from her PA. As one usually does, for women that are in such a state.
      
      If she is going – good on her, waikatogirl’s original question is answered, in the positive.
      
      If you want to then pick bones about ztev not having it right because “he’s Mallard in disguise” or whatever the latest conspiracy fantasy is, be my guest, but it seems like a case of being argumentative for the sake of it.
      
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      June 12, 2018 11:15am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  “Imagine if some KB reader believed ztev”
  
  I do believe that qualifies as an oxymoron.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:57pm
- GazzaW
  
  He assured us that Northcote was in the bag for Labour on Friday.
  
  He’s out of the loop Maggy.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:54pm
- Duxton
  
  I’m picking she won’t go, Maggy. She will claim early labour pains. Wouldn’t want to face the farmers.
  
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  June 11, 2018 9:54pm
Ross12

Looks like Peters is still pushing on the release of his super payment details. He is suing for $450K –Paula Bennett, and couple of top bureaucrats –heads of departments and I think they said the AG (I assume they meant Finlayson)
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June 11, 2018 7:07pm
- niggly
  
  I thought the charlatan previously dropped his case against the bureaucrats?
  
  Oh well, I wonder if he is looking for relevancy again after plummeting in the polls thinking this will shore up his supporters (and after today’s move to bloody Andrew Little and Labour’s noses)?
  
  If so what a wally, all he had to do was wait until he became Acting-PM and show the nation that he has more nous than Ardern and is a better leader (I mean even I would be cheering him on after 6 months of putting up with the airhead schoolgirl screwing things up), that surely would have attracted increased support, instead his Deputy-Prime Ministership will be remembered as being part and parcel of his legal shenanigans! Who’s advising this guy to make these blunders?
  
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  June 11, 2018 7:31pm
Morrissey

Judith Collins

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12068396
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June 11, 2018 7:58pm
- Morrissey
  
  Three downticks. National Party vigilantes on duty!
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:12pm
  - starboard
    
    Ppffft..morrisey been, full time fudge packer.
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:35pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    June 11, 2018 10:44pm
Ross12

Here are the details niggly ( I heard it on radio and was only half listenmg at the time)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12068606
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June 11, 2018 7:58pm
- niggly
  
  Thanks Ross! Check out the last bit:
  
  In Official Information Act documents obtained by Newsroom into the internal MSD investigation, it transpired that 41 MSD staff had been involved in Peters’ case and interviews had been conducted with 12 staff who had full access to information on the case.
  
  So 41 staff had been involved in Peters’ case but he automatically blames National, the top level bureaucrats (and last year 2 journos)! Looks like he is blindly throwing mud hoping it will stick to something (and possibly has the wrong targets anyway by the looks of things)!
  
  I wonder if any of the 41 staff were Green Party supporters & upset that Turei was supposedly outed by ……… ?
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:04pm
wiseowl

The (alleged) deliberate leaking of his private details was timed to inflict major damage on NZF in the lead up to the election and led to many National voters switching away from NZF after otherwise seeing an opportunity to reign in the left wing bias and appeasement approach of the Nats.
It was in effect the very cause of the situation we are now experiencing.
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June 11, 2018 8:02pm
- Happychappy
  
  It also has been alleged that Winston leaked the story himself but fuckwits like you like to produce stories condemning National without facts.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:17pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It has also been alleged that your are not very happy, chappie.
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:26pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I’m a bunch of fluffys MM, but I thought you would also one for stories on fact not hearsay. If the court convict those who he has named yes then condemn them but until it’s proven it’s the courts job.
      
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      June 11, 2018 8:55pm
  - wiseowl
    
    It would be a stupid move for him to leak the story himself.
    You still live in denial .
    It was Soper who was adamant about where the leak came from and he has the experience and contacts to be credible on this.
    Far from being a fuckwit I am pleased I now have the ability to have an objective approach to politics after many years involvement in campaigning for the National Party and will continue to seek the truth on any matter regardless of which party.
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:29pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Soper was not able to produce fact also and this is another story from Peters to gain some traction for his Party that is in big trouble in the polls. But you go ahead and allege that National did without evidence to prove it before it gets to court. Lots of people do heaps for Political Parties of their choice but don’t big note like you do and I bet there are some high up in the National Party are pleased to see the back of you.
      
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      June 11, 2018 8:45pm
    - sam green
      
      That’s commendable wiseowl.
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:08pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Soper! You think Soper is credible? That’s a good one!
      
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      June 11, 2018 9:43pm
lifesgood

What a hoot! David Seymour is still in DWTS. He was by far the worst dancer. I just love this. Go David!
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June 11, 2018 8:11pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is surely a validation of his political views, which must resonate somehow with that class of people who love ‘reality’ shows.
  
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  June 11, 2018 8:28pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”It is surely a validation of his political views”….
    
    What are you banging on about? It’s the sheer, unfettered twisting of bitter Socialists’ guts that makes it all worthwhile. 🙂
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:35pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Indeed, I would previously have considered beyond human endurance the level of bitter chagrin I suffer at the devastating awareness that Mr Seymour is still participating in a reality-TV dance contest – and yet, somehow I manage to endure it…
      
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      June 11, 2018 8:51pm
      - nasska
        
        You’re a brave man Psycho Milt. Lesser socialists would have been left whimpering in a fetal position in front of their TV before now.
        
        Come the revolution you will receive your reward. 🙂
        
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        June 11, 2018 8:59pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “What are you banging on about? It’s the sheer, unfettered twisting of bitter Socialists’ guts that makes it all worthwhile”
        
        Steve Braunias has already had a little meltdown about it. Such fun.
        
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        June 11, 2018 11:10pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Mikenmildagain:
    
    It is surely a validation of his political views
    
    Yes, well, that’s one reason to watch DWTS. But most people probably tune in because they like watching people in leotard tights – or should that be tight leotards – moving gracefully around a dance floor!
    
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    June 11, 2018 8:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m just going from the comments I have seen to the effect of “I don’t watch DWTS but I have voted for David Seymour to win it anyway”.
      
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      June 11, 2018 8:53pm
      - GazzaW
        
        I plead guilty MnM. Already posted today that I detest DTWS and never watch it but I vote for Seymour every week. I am rather hoping that Labour puts up a contestant next year. Any suggestions?
        
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        June 11, 2018 10:05pm
Piniwi

Thankfully the trolls all slept in and only made a somewhat muted attempt to trash a good thread. it is very sad that so many erstwhile bright intelligent contributors respond to these morons. Just let the obligatory downtick speak the loudest response. Silence is golden.
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- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps one day you will get your wish and Kiwiblog will become the safe space you crave.
  You snowflakes make me laugh with your constant search for an echo chamber instead of debating the issues your pretend to care about.
  
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