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William of Ockham

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/national-climate-201805
NOAA. National Centres for Environmental information
The contiguous United States had its warmest May on record [since 1895]
Surpassing a mark set during the peak of the Dust Bowl in 1934, the continental U.S. just had its hottest May on record thanks in large part to the human-caused climate crisis, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced on Wednesday.

http://www.noaa.gov/news/coastal-communities-saw-record-number-of-high-tide-flooding-days-last-year
Coastal communities saw record number of high tide flooding days last year
People living on the coast may see flooded sidewalks and streets more frequently this year due, in part, to El Nino conditions that are predicted to develop later this year, and from long-term sea level rise trends. The projected increase in high tide flooding in 2018 may be as much as 60 percent higher across U.S. coastlines as compared to typical flooding about 20 years ago, according to NOAA scientists.

Increased flooding trend is likely to continue
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-content/sotc/national/2018/may/2017_State_of_US_High_Tide_Flooding.pdf

President Donald Trump did not attend G7 meeting on climate change, clean energy and oceans, CNN reported.
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June 10, 2018 8:01am
- G152
  
  Wow.
  Using CNN as an anti Trump source.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:13am
- William of Ockham
  
  Awaiting moderation?
  https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/national-climate-201805
  NOAA. National Centres for Environmental information
  The contiguous United States had its warmest May on record [since 1895]
  Surpassing a mark set during the peak of the Dust Bowl in 1934, the continental U.S. just had its hottest May on record thanks in large part to the human-caused climate crisis, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced on Wednesday.
  
  http://www.noaa.gov/news/coastal-communities-saw-record-number-of-high-tide-flooding-days-last-year
  Coastal communities saw record number of high tide flooding days last year
  People living on the coast may see flooded sidewalks and streets more frequently this year due, in part, to El Nino conditions that are predicted to develop later this year, and from long-term sea level rise trends. The projected increase in high tide flooding in 2018 may be as much as 60 percent higher across U.S. coastlines as compared to typical flooding about 20 years ago, according to NOAA scientists.
  
  Increased flooding trend is likely to continue
  https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-content/sotc/national/2018/may/2017_State_of_US_High_Tide_Flooding.pdf
  
  President Donald Trump did not attend G7 meeting on climate change, clean energy and oceans, CNN reported.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:26am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Mother Terrified Of Muslim Sons Who Want To Kill Her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=62&v=ama1GjE5bGs
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June 10, 2018 8:01am
- Longknives
  
  Don’t worry Chuck
  NZ Police are embarking on an ‘Appeasement’ programme with Muslims.
  It could never happen here..
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/104556738/a-new-tradition-police-host-its-first-iftar-dinner-as-part-of-ramadan
  
  Scroll down for the chilling photo of a New Zealand Policewoman being forced to wear their ‘Uniform of the future’..
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:06am
  - igm
    
    Crockery is going to seek approval for this attire . . . having a committee set up to find the correct materials!
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:28am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes this is shocking pandering to a religious group. It’s done out of fear as much as anything. How many of those on the Security Services’ watch-list hang out in South Auckland? Quite a few one imagines given this appears to be where most of that particular religion live in New Zealand. None of this ridiculous and shameful attempt to ingratiate themselves by the Police will count for anything when a local nutjob carries out an atrocity. Contempt for non-believers is at the heart of this religion.
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:42am
  - Viking2
    
    How many Muslim women were at that event.
    
    None I would guess.
    
    Stupid fucking appeasers.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:02am
    - sooty
      
      There were a few out the back making cups of tea and sandwhichs!
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:12am
      - holysheet
        
        Not bacon butties then?
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:23am
  - Inandout
    
    Shit I thought that police person was a man. You can’t really tell under all that Muslim garb.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:29am
    - RF
      
      I understand if you want promotion to commission officer rank you have to prove that you accept various religious ideals and train your staff accordingly. This type of uniform will be seen on the streets just as the turban is.
      
      Davidsons recent attack on the Police culture is the first step to take control by stealth. Be warned.
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:19pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    And so the Cancer spreads
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:49am
    - Piniwi
      
      Yes Steve (North Shore) it has now become a competition we can only call the M&M Show. Marofication or Muslimification. Perhaps it might be the MaMu show which will culminate in the final blending as Angry Andy releases more radicalised bros? There is some deep rooted simarlities there apart from being all colours on the outside but brown in the middle. That is too many in one place can only spell trouble but increases as they are blended.
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:10pm
  - backster
    
    But what about their subconscious bias maybe this is what happens when it moves away from maori.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:52am
duggledog

t was great to see the legend himself MP Shane Jones fronting on the TV1 News last night about the minor and localized disaster on the East Cape

Sounds like the forestry owners are going to have to clean up the slash after they’ve cut the trees down.

Making extraction uneconomic.

No good planting pine trees Shane if they just stand there forever, because you can’t harvest your crop LOL

Another signal to industry NZ is a dead duck for investment. I wouldn’t plant another pine tree as of now on my place.

Is there any industry the Coalition can’t destroy with the stroke of a pen?
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June 10, 2018 8:02am
- G152
  
  My first thought when I saw all that slash is he could get his cuzzies off their arses and turn the lot into firewood.
  Or is it to difficult.
  Could make a good living out of that sort of industry.
  Brother and I did firewood out of slash in Taupo
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:18am
  - holysheet
    
    I thought slash-and-burn was a forestry method until I caught the clap .
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:30am
  - Viking2
    
    ah but the greenies have closed down the fire places.
    
    O but they will come back now that gas fires are no longer going to have cheap fuel.
    
    what a cock up. 😆
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:03am
    - sooty
      
      Can’t have electric heaters and charge electric cars at the sametime unless you shut the Bluff smelter.
      
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      June 10, 2018 3:04pm
  - Flash
    
    Forestry has been under notice of new regulations about cleaning up the ‘slash’, for at least a year. There are maps showing areas of flood risk and tree harvesting has to be managed to minimise the risk. The forest that I am involved with is removing slash as each block of trees is felled. As a result, the hill sides (some extremely steep) are clean and the streams are too.
    And as G152 shows there is a use for it all.
    Erosion will occur on the bare hillsides too, which is one reason that forests are being replanted the first season after harvesting.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:27am
    - VicParking
      
      Yes and the slash protects the young seedlings
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:14am
    - Piniwi
      
      Perhaps Flash that might be the case in your nick of the woods but on the mainland where most is planted on more remote steep country there is an unofficial burn off season. Distance smoke is frequently seen which is more eco friendly as it causes less pollution than that produced by rotting slash.
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:17pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I concur with your low opinion of Shane Jones, but I don’t agree that having to clean up the piles of slash being washed up at Tolaga is an unreasonable imposition on the industry.
  
  It was a great pile of slash like this that washed out the Wairoa bridge during Cyclone Bola in the 80s, creating mayhem for East Coast access until a new one was built at taxpayer expense.
  
  If the farming sector can take actions to stop stock waste and fertiliser run-off from entering waterways, then the forestry industry cowboys can pull finger too.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    How about logging trucks put mudgaurds on their truck and trailers on the road?
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:15am
    - Viking2
      
      And cover their loads to stop bark from hitting the cars behind.
      
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      June 10, 2018 10:04am
  - Viking2
    
    Their are two new mills started in Gisbourne to process the slash. Just need to get it their.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:05am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Today’s spelling monitor here.
      3 spelling mistakes in 18 words. 16.7% hit rate. Not bad.
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:26am
      - Viking2
        
        So you have fuck all to do most day. Some of us don’t have all day to navel gaze.
        
        BTW are there any hairs in your navel?
        
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        June 10, 2018 5:57pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Maybe one of the mills could have been located in Tolaga or Tokomaru. Lord knows those places could do with the industry.
      Investing in infrastructure in Eastland might go some way to boosting tourism as well.
      It’s beautiful country, just quite inaccessible and ill-equipped to cope with increased human numbers or decreased tree numbers.
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:40am
      - sooty
        
        But the trains don’t go there. Maybe they could use NZ Post?
        
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        June 10, 2018 12:06pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Sadly Shaun the Sheep the term forest management is lost completely on some of the cowboys in the industry. It was also apparent by the safety standards displayed by many where the percentage of injury/death were highest. Serious long term operators have specifically trained safety officers who often are from those who have completed the 13 module bushman’s course. Plus the company have safety rewards for the staff keeping periods accident free. While a tree is a tree a tree feller can just as easily be a tree fella. Eh bro.
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:34pm
- Doubledimp
  
  I just thought he looked drunk. I was worried he was going to call a snap election.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:56am
  - VicParking
    
    Looked like he just found out that he can no longer have a snap erection
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:17am
    - sooty
      
      HA, HA, I see what you did there!
      
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      June 10, 2018 12:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When I first arrived in Gisborne 4 years ago, I took the back road route to Tolaga Bay.
  I couldn’t believe my eyes (so I took lots of pics).
  The place looked like a nuclear explosion had hit – catchment after catchment clear felled of pine and bare steep country left waiting for the next rain.
  
  It’s not as if anyone is surprised that these young erodible hills end up in the valleys. We’ve known about this fragile country for nearly a century.
  What is surprising that communities swallowed the bull-shit after cyclone Bola that you could practice clear-fell forestry on this land.
  It’s time to put the east coast hills back into protective forests.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:22am
- niggly
  
  “Is there any industry the Coalition can’t destroy with the stroke of a pen?”
  
  Yes, the all-encompassing grievance industry!
  
  In fact it’ll likely be the only industry that flourishes under the COL!
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:41am
  - ztev
    
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    What industry was destroyed ?
    
    Pray tell where are these oil/gas discoveries we cant get at now. On shore was up for block auction. Exsisting drilling rights arent changed
    
    Los Angeles used to be big producer of oil and gas once it was drilled it all went.
    Nothing new will change the fact its gone
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:57am
- cha
  
  Sounds like the forestry owners are going to have to clean up the slash after they’ve cut the trees down.
  
  Dog forbid owners should be required to use best practice methods to clean up after themselves.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, it’s not rocket science.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:14am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I thought slash was left to decompose so the soil wouldnt become infertile? Anybody who knows more about this care to comment. Pine trees are bad news for the soil as their needles are so acidic. I thought rotting slash counteracted this.
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:54pm
sooty

Wao you add to that a you get reported.
( done my three turns )
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June 10, 2018 8:02am
mandk

See, I told you the rugby was going to be close.
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June 10, 2018 8:03am
sooty

What rugby? Where?
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June 10, 2018 8:06am
- Colville
  
  Ellis Park.
  Springboks dorked the Poms.
  Eddie Jones boys have a 33% win ratio this year…
  4 losses…how sad what a pity never mind 🙂
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:06am
  - cmm
    
    The only way the Poms can win one of the sports they invent is to keep it secret.
    
    As soon as they teach it to the colonies they get thrashed.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:26am
    - big bruv
      
      Another example of NZ rugby arrogance.
      
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      June 10, 2018 10:54am
    - VicParking
      
      Morris dancing for instance
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:19am
      - sooty
        
        I want them to do morris dancing to counter the haka!
        
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        June 10, 2018 3:08pm
Monique Watson

The Frogs. No match. Whats So Fuckin’ Ever. And it proves history repeats. The English fuck it up for the French firstly.
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June 10, 2018 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And save their bacon at the first sign of a panzer division to followed by de Gaulle.
  
  When it happens again, England will remain an island, the Germans will give them back after six months of occupation.
  
  France, the only country in the world to carry out an act of international terrorism in New Zealand
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:50am
  - Liberty
    
    France is still aggrieved over Agincourt. It only takes on easy targets.
    That’s why France has sunk more boats in Friendly NZ than its navy sunk in WW2.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:23am
Captain Mainwaring

Let me see if I’ve got this right.
If I rent from a private landlord I’m not allowed to smoke inside and I can’t have any pets.
But if I rent from Housing NZ I can smoke anything including meth, and I can have a couple of Rottweilers.
Do I as a landlord of Housing NZ properties have any say in this?
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June 10, 2018 8:09am
- ztev
  
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  Check the lease you signed with HNZ…surely you know whats in it and insisted on things like that
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:15am
  - mandk
    
    ????
    
    Still inebriated after a night celebrating the fact that the good people of Northcote are not going to be represented by a proven liar?
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:26am
    - Piniwi
      
      Seems mandk the good people decided there was enough liars and poofs in the House already. The takeaway is that with the low turnout the spilt was about the same but a bigger concern for Labour is their internal polling. Is all there internal polling going to show they are kidding themselves? Or perhaps like the new measures for child poverty they will have 5-6% margin of error?
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:44pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Not only that, you can evidently be fast tracked into drug rehab services.
  Hope HNZ has a large pool of drug counsellers ready and that HNZ has increased taxpayer funded budgets to pay for them.
  While, out in the real world, workers who are drug tested during their employment are stood down if they return a positive result and can lose pay.
  No free drug rehab for them.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:28am
  - Psycho Milt
    
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    While, out in the real world, workers who are drug tested during their employment are stood down if they return a positive result and can lose pay.
    
    The fact that many private-sector employers treat their employees badly isn’t really HNZ’s area of responsibility. But yeah, I hope this government does something to address that as well.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:35am
    - Spam
      
      And back in the real world, workers doing dangerous work who don’t want their work mates putting them at risk are asking their employers for drug testing programs.
      
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      June 10, 2018 10:05am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        If so, it’s not really something their employers can help them with until there are drug tests that test for impairment.
        
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        June 10, 2018 1:08pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Wow.
      Workers can front up for work having voluntarily indulged in drugs and alcohol that make them unfit for work and the employer is treating the employee badly by standing them down?
      What do you propose government will do to address that?
      
      Now let me see:
      Why is business confidence plummeting?
      Umm ….
      
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      June 10, 2018 10:06am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Workers can front up for work having voluntarily indulged in drugs and alcohol that make them unfit for work and the employer is treating the employee badly by standing them down?
        
        Not at all. The employer is treating them badly by subjecting them to tests that only measure whether they consumed a drug anytime in the last few days, or even weeks, effectively demanding the right to determine their activity outside of work hours. If they tested for alcohol that way, hardly any of us would be able to work or drive a car.
        
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        June 10, 2018 1:13pm
      - Piniwi
        
        But Shaun the Sheep a worker who turns up on a rare occasion with a hang over knows they will simply have to hold their end up and suffer in silence. Where a drug addled team member has the potential in a risky work place to end up cold and hard or cause somebody else to end up that way.
        
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        June 10, 2018 1:51pm
      - cha
        
        But Shaun the Sheep a worker who turns up on a rare occasion with a hang over knows they will simply have to hold their end up and suffer in silence.
        
        In more than forty years working in the electricity distribution sector I’ve seen three fatalities and way too many near misses and I’d rate hangovers, problems at home and prescription medication as leading contributors to accidents. Drug addled runs a distant fourth.
        
        All three men who lost their lives were killed before morning smoko and they were all hung over AF.
        
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        June 10, 2018 2:05pm
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Let me see if I’ve got this right.
  
  You’ve got it astonishingly wrong if you think you’re Housing NZ’s landlord.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:45am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    As a taxpayer, don’t I have a financial interest in their houses?
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:49am
    - holysheet
      
      No!
      It’s not the taxpayer that provides the house, it’s the Government.
      Get it right.
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:06am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Captain Mainwaring , one of the many Taxpayers many of whom don’t care a toss.
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:10am
      - cmm
        
        I’ll doubt there are many that don’t give a toss.
        
        Most people are working hard to pay the rent or pay a mortgage. Then they pay tax to subsidise both P smokers in state houses and rich pricks getting hand outs for electric vehicles.
        
        Of course they get annoyed.
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:55am
    - Psycho Milt
      
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      As a taxpayer, don’t I have a financial interest in their houses?
      
      Ah, I see – you don’t understand how representative democracy works. In short: yes you do have a financial interest in their houses, along with upwards of four million other people whose interest is of equal value to yours. To make exercise of those interests workable, the interested parties elect representatives to act on their behalf, known as a “government.” Are you sure you didn’t know this already? I would have thought it was commonly understood.
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:32am
      - cmm
        
        Nor do you.
        
        It is the wolves and the sheep voting over what’s for dinner.
        
        How can the interests of a P smoking loser be of equal value to that of a person who is sufficiently successful to be paying tax?
        
        It is only of equal value when viewed though voting when governments can make it legal to take from the successful people to enable the bad behaviour of the unsuccessful people.
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:59am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Well, you can trust the government to determine the relative worth of its citizens if you like, but I sure as fuck wouldn’t.
        
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        June 10, 2018 1:15pm
  - artemisia
    
    Private rental owners do lease them to Housing NZ. Never seen a HNZ lease specifically but that situation can make the owner a landlord and Housing NZ the property manager / agent of the owner.
    
    However, the term ‘landlord’ can be used for either the owner or the property manager. This is set down in the Residential Tenancies Act.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:29am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Oh look a squirrel!
    
    Of course, rather than being distracted by libtard trivia we might get down to brass tacks and build our understanding of a few things:
    – who owns HNZC? That would be the Crown
    – what function does the Crown serve? The Crown only exists in our democracy to serve the needs of the people of NZ
    
    So unless I was looking to distract from an obvious good point made by the Captain it’s not hard to understand what Captain was getting at – which is we fucken own HNZC and to disregard what ordinary, decent NZers would think is acceptable is deeply dishonest and undemocratic.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:18am
- Duxton
  
  Good point, Captain.
  
  Then again, Labour is always willing to let its own break the rules. Look at Halbert in Northcote, flouting the ban on smoking in public places.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:52am
- Viking2
  
  No, and FWIW I consider Glucman to be a fool and a stooge.
  
  What he said was that by using Google and searching the worlds records he could find no well founded studies that living in a house with a “p” residue was harmful.
  
  Now that he found nothing, simply means that there has been no peer reviewed or otherwise studies on record that confirmed that it was harmful, does not mean that it’s ok.
  
  The issue going back was what level of contamination is acceptable and there were recommendations done last year that the level was too low. This caused the moral panic that the Tenancy Tribunal exacerbated which resulted in the removal of tenants and the industry of testing and all the aftermath of cleaning and replacement.
  
  What Twitford has done is to immediately use Glucman as an expert to say it’s fine to allow people to live in these houses so long as they were not used as labs.
  
  IMHO they are wrong and the level that was established last year at 1.5 was much more a likely safe level. It may be that if a scientific study was done the level could be higher or it could be lower but no one has ever done the work.
  
  Here is an extract from Property.com.
  
  Below is the conclusion of the report from Prof Gluckmans office. Note the report was done by 2 chicks, not him, but I guess he put his name to it.
  
  7 Conclusions
  There is currently no evidence (in either humans or animals) that the levels typically resulting from third-hand exposure to methamphetamine smoking residues on household surfaces can elicit an adverse health effect. We note, however, that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence of an effect. There is a clear need for more research and a co-ordinated inter-agency effort to build up a robust dataset.
  If you read the report it says there was NO data on the effect of third hand exposure to meth.
  
  NO DATA AVAILABLE ON THE EFFECT OF THIRD HAND EXPOSURE!!!
  
  NO DATA.
  
  NO DATA!!
  
  In fact the report says meth is great for losing weight especially in pregnant women.
  
  FFS.
  
  Need to drop a few kg, so better get me some meth cause it does only good things in the absence of data!!
  https://www.propertytalk.com/forum/showthread.php?41582-Meth-or-P-related-it-goes-here-please/page111&highlight=methamphetamine
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  So want to lose weight, great stuff. We should supply some to all the lardo’s. Never mind the tummy tucks.
  
  Wether it’s safe to live with on a long term basis and at what level is still to be determined. meanwhile it seems that the Ministry of Health guidelines remains at 1.5.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:31am
sooty

Has Labour “winter of discontent” started with an election lose?
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June 10, 2018 8:10am
- ztev
  
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  Continue with those blinkers on ….hehehe
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’d say Bidois would be delighted with having secured more than 50% of the votes cast. It was a clear victory.
    
    Ardern can talk of it as a Labour victory as much as she wants, but the plain simple truth she has to swallow comes in the words of Sir Michael Cullen:
    
    We won, you lost, eat that!
    
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    June 10, 2018 12:14pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    ztev – (https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ZTEV) ??
    
    It’s just that I find it difficult to believe that zero emissions come from your tailpipe!!
    
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    June 10, 2018 2:52pm
- stephieboy
  
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  sooty , a safe National seat unlike say, Mt Albert or Mt, Roskill
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:11am
- VicParking
  
  Not according to the WO dick. What part of 51% of the Vote doesn’t Salter understand. I think National in 2020 will take 51% of the vote as a win and so will the Governor General. He is getting so bitter and twisted with National its time that SB sent him away for another long hunting trip.
  The failing newspaper is just as bad with starting the day hiding the bye-election results away but has now brought them in as a side bar.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:54am
duggledog

Captain – just in from Jacindy

Plan To Solve The Housing Crisis:

1: Force extra costs on landlords such as a ‘Housing WOF’, making some give up and sell as it’s no longer economic
2: Arse rape landlords with ever more tax demands
3: Remove negative gearing
4: Give tenants even more rights than soft cock National allowed to flourish
5: Make meth use a ‘health issue’ so you can’t kick someone out
6: Build shit dwellings en masse
7: Create economic conditions that increase interest rates

All these things combined will depress the market making housing stock practically worthless.

But we got the ferals out of cars!
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June 10, 2018 8:19am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  OMG, imagine if a government made buying multiple rental properties less attractive than investing in productive enterprise! The horror, the horror!
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:47am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Define ‘productive enterprise’ and discuss the degrees of risk between that and investing in housing.
    Then detail why older people looking for security of income when they retire should invest in your ‘productive enterprise’?
    What.a.fuckwit.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:00am
    - stephieboy
      
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      All on Red , so says the Professor of Urban planning and everything.
      
      LOL
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:13am
  - NK
    
    Productive export enterprises like Oil & Gas exploration and forestry harvesting?
    
    Or bloodstock sales (with tax write-offs)?
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:09am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Well, yeah, then you get into questions of whether enterprises that are based on transferring huge environmental costs to future generations really can be described as “productive” or not, but that’s kind of a separate issue from the housing one.
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:38am
    - Paulus
      
      Aren’t tax write off only for pretty horses ?
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:58pm
  - KevOB
    
    Who would invest in NZ enterprise when random closures can occur? It’s going to take 20 years without the COL to undue their damage to date–that means loss of jobs, higher prices and much greater stress.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:10am
    - Piniwi
      
      Sadly KevOB that is true from the clear signals the COL have sent out. However also of a bigger concern is with the now overt approval of P smoking in state houses plus going soft on dope the domestic costs are set to soar. The LCD line will be lowered yet again.
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:04pm
  - VicParking
    
    Maybe you should only be allowed to invest in sure fire Government sponsored investments like tram lines up dominion road.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:00am
  - Nookin
    
    Property ownership has been part and parcel of the kiwi investment psyche for yonks. Clark, Goff and plenty of other Labour MPs were into rentals.
    
    If Labour wants a paradigm shift and a movement toward investment in productivity then it needs a coherent policy —especially on productivity. The facts that business confidence is falling and that the govt is making snap decisions on significant issues without taking business with them clearly show that the government has no productivity policy. Mum and Dad investors are not going to provide equity for business at current interest rates or in a political environment viewes as hostle to small and medium sized businesses.
    
    Come up with a credible and coherent policy that rewards productivity and added value and you might achieve something. Till then investors are happy to hop in their car and look at their own bricks and mortar.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:09am
    - Piniwi
      
      Thanks Nookin logically we might expect from 122 groups and inquiries some level of economically coherent policy might be achieved. It is obvious from the makeup of most of these the intentions are set and that any hope of cohesion will be elusive to say the least. Many expect they will be little more than an extension of the shield of sanctimony to be blamed for future failure.
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:14pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Imagine the utter horror of a government that made investment in productive enterprise more attractive and reliable than investing in bricks and morter.
    
    Now that WOULD be something that a government could crow about, actually solving the problem with carrots rather than always, always reaching for sticks.
    
    But then this government is only interested in the war on capitalism – so why would they want to fix a problem of contradictory incentives?
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:21am
- Tarquin North
  
  Wasn’t dropping the value of houses by fifty percent a Greens policy? They seem to be hell bent on achieving that. The good news is their vote went down the gurgler in Northcote.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:47am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  The machinations of a stupid little girl
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:56am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Actually landlords are very lucky for two reasons, first of all the communist party is doing Jack all for housing affordability, if they did, i.e. remove GST and taxes on construction, abolish the Rural-Urban boundary, remove red tape, the RMA, and frankly just allowed people to build then houses in Auckland could drop 75% and be competitive with housing in certain major us markets.
  
  Instead housing is competitive with the wrong housing markets in us i.e. l.a and other shit hole third world cities in the USA (where their communist party has destroyed the middle class), alternatively if the IRD could prove that rentals brought in the last say 10 years have been unprofitable due to rental yields, mortgage rates, maintenance and other opex, then under existing law they could do one of two things, disallow deductions as it is not a business (there is precedent for this, or they could treat it like an asset brought for the purpose of disposal, like shares are in certain circumstances, and they could tax Any annual gains including inflation.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:20am
  - artemisia
    
    Holly Roggerz ….. if the IRD could prove that rentals brought in the last say 10 years have been unprofitable due to rental yields, mortgage rates, maintenance and other opex, then under existing law they could do one of two things, disallow deductions as it is not a business (there is precedent for this, or they could treat it like an asset brought for the purpose of disposal, like shares are in certain circumstances, and they could tax Any annual gains including inflation.
    
    Good luck with seeing either of those options being introduced. I foresee a new income stream for accountants, and even more landlords exiting the industry.
    
    The 10 year period you mention would be heavily punitive presumably for the life of the asset to the point where making adjustments to the expense/income ratio in year 10 to make a small profit would be well worth while.
    
    Would Xero or its shares be an asset bought for the purposes of disposal? Or is it only residential property to be treated as special?
    
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    June 10, 2018 2:10pm
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      One of the requirements established in the NZ court system to determine whether something is a business and whether it has tax deductable expenses is whether or not it is of a scale and nature for which profits are likely. If it is not then it is not a business and has no bussiness expenses that can be deducted.
      
      For instance if you have a 400 hectare dairy farm then that is for sure a business, its off sufficent size to be profitable, a 4 hectare beef farm is likely not a business, and that UTE you brought is not a tax deductable expense, its a hobby. Likewise if the market rates are such that your rental generates a rent-loss then you do not have an accomodation bussiness.
      
      And there is a very good argument, that if you are not in the accomodation business, and you are not a registered charity, that you are in the business of capital gains, in otherwords the asset is brought for disposal, and in that circumstance gains are taxable as taxable income.
      
      Generally speaking Shares are not taxed for gains unless held in an investment scheme, therefore ordinarily the gains aren’t taxable income, however for Xero since there is no income, nor does it make profit and retain the earnings, its very hard to argue that the shares were brought for income, as opposed to providing capital gains.
      
      So yes, I think the IRD would have grounds legally to collect tax on gains from private shareholders of XERO. It may or may not be punitive, and I am not saying it should be this way, but it is NZ tax law, and it is currently not enforced. The liability doesn’t dissapear as a result of non-enforcement.
      
      And I would agree with you, that the taxation system as currently written is complicated, it requires billions of dollars and an entire industry and profession to administed, a simple Sales tax could be administered for far less (99.999% automated), no more PR and Accounting departments and is a much harder tax to avoid or evade.
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:32pm
- artemisia
  
  6: Build shit dwellings en masse, and rent approx every 5th one to social housing tenants a la Unitec plan.
  
  FIFY.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:32am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Its modelled of off Hobsonville, and fyi plans were implemented by national as Simon Bridges claimed, the difference is Labour has increased density a bit, next you will complain about the team line down dominion Rd.
    
    Of course you should complain these are both crappy ideas but credit where credit is due, these are not partisan policies, they are supported by both parties. Look at the east-west link it removes provision for the railway corridor, additionally certain works along the arterial route to the airport have design features that conversely support trams.
    
    And the other pieces of evidence, AKL airport which is council owned has removed provision for a railway terminal, and JK and Bill both virtual signalled about the tram, Simon Bridges even agreed with Labour on imposing a levy on every house near the tram to pay for it.
    
    Remember national also supported the 5bn dollar CRL which cost twice as much as the western ring route including the Waterview tunnel and three major bridges.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:51am
    - calendar girl
      
      “….. AKL airport which is council owned …..
      
      Where did that little factoid come from, Holly Roggerz? Auckland Council owns less than 25% of Auckland International Airport Limited, one of the largest public companies listed on the NZ Stock Exchange.
      
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      June 10, 2018 5:02pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Yes it is not 100% council owned, only a controlling 66% by local and national government, I guess that invalidates everything I said about them removing provisioning for Rail with the East-West Link and at the airport, and all the rest of it!
        
        Allocation 1:
        518820235 shares (43.48%)
        
        NEW ZEALAND CENTRAL SECURITIES DEPOSITORY LIMITED (RBNZ)
        
        Allocation 2:
        266328912 shares (22.32%)
        
        AUCKLAND COUNCIL INVESTMENTS LIMITED
        
        Feel free to check these things out first next time mate.
        
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        June 10, 2018 5:34pm
duggledog

G152

You can’t burn the slash because of C02 and feelz

You can’t get to it either because of Maoris
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June 10, 2018 8:21am
- Colville
  
  The slash would otherwise just rot and the Co2 would be created anyway?
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:09am
- VicParking
  
  Slash hides the dope plantations from the helicopters
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:03am
Longknives

The Standard are predictably claiming Northcote as a win for Labour.
One Character called ‘Muttonbird’ is crowing this is a “massive loss for National”!
They are deluded idiots.
Reality is- Even with Jacinda swanning round talking babies with all the Mums and Grannies, and Labour picking up all the dropkicks and crims in Northcote and ‘helping’ them to vote- They still got thumped.
Sanity still prevailed.
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June 10, 2018 8:22am
- Harkman
  
  The truth is National isn’t good at by-elections. It’s support base turns out for general elections.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:07am
- VicParking
  
  51% of the vote is a win to me. Will be In line with 2020 country wide.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:04am
holysheet

Newsflash, a body has been found in a nearby park. The Police described the body as a white male with a beer belly, saggy balls, wrinkly arse and a small dick. Seeing as though it’s not me, I thought I’d check to see if all you lot are ok.
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June 10, 2018 8:32am
- Monique Watson
  
  I think I woke up next to that body. Except for the small dick. (Wendy joke)
  “The guy looks down at his penis and says, “No, once de wrinkles come out, it says, ‘Welcome to Jamaica, mon! Have a nice day.'”
  Felt around, he’s warm, I was too and I booted the dog off the bed three times in the night and chased teenagers around the house. Whatever happens in life, if you wake up beside a warm body and a dog at your feet, you’re not in too bad a shape.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:48am
  - VicParking
    
    So did I. But I realised I had gone into the wrong house after visiting KFC after the rugby match. The pensioner did not seem to mind. Said it was the closest he come to some action in twenty years.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:10am
    - big bruv
      
      The difference being Vic is that you would have been prosecuted for a home invasion.
      It’s only gormless looking NZ rugby players who get away with that crime.
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:00am
- stephieboy
  
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  holycrap, you hiding something?
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:53am
  - VicParking
    
    Morning Stephie, been hiding anything in the rear end of a goat lately ???
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:12am
- Happychappy
  
  SPLOOGE check to see if a toy Yacht and Audi are close by as every other aspect seems to match him.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:01am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  🙂 love your work holy – brings a smile every time!
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:22am
  - holysheet
    
    Don’t talk shit, LOL
    Been away for 2 weeks and you didn’t even notice?
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:22am
Manolo

That militant socialist resident of Rome:
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/391470-pope-warns-oil-executives-climate-change-may-destroy-civilization

Pope Francis on Saturday issued a dire warning to top oil executives, saying that climate change could “destroy civilization.”

At a two-day conference at the Vatican, the pope called climate change a challenge of “epochal proportions,” according to Reuters.
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June 10, 2018 8:39am
- Justitia
  
  Have this crowd apologized to Galileo yet? Or the German Jews?
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Justita , the Vatican, I believe has . Especially the later.
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/03/17/vatican-apologizes-to-jews/ce5ea6e9-bd97-4022-b639-288342b63455/?utm_term=.a6dc157bacb9
    
    Move on!
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:50am
    - rangitoto
      
      How about Giordano Bruno?
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:52am
    - big bruv
      
      Hang on!….. Lucia Maria told me this did not happen. She said the Catholic church did not help the Nazi’s escape, she said that the Rat lines did not exist.
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:02am
  - VicParking
    
    To busy fiddling with choir boys.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    After considering the matter for 359 years, the Vatican agreed that Earth orbits the Sun.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13618460.600-vatican-admits-galileo-was-right-/
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:14pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Good God Maggy. Next they’ll be accepting that birth happens after a successful act of copulation!
      Where the hell will that place the Virgin Mary? 🙂
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:17pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  I assume he has some evidence? And also plans on replacing the plastics and various fertilizer and the like that we get from the company hydrocarbon industry?
  
  Its not like we depend on the hydro carbon industry for things like food production, transport, and the daily energy requirements of near every office and factory on this planet. Can’t even get the Co2 for Coca cola with the hydrocarbon industry.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:29am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Sometimes the socialists win elections, sometimes the Devil gets a Pontiff.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:23am
- Liberty
  
  Doesn’t Pope Francis have a direct line to God.
  If God can raise from the dead and turn water into wine.
  Surely Global warming can’t be to much of a task.
  Then maybe God only deals with real problems.
  
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  June 10, 2018 12:40pm
Manolo

The sooner he goes, the better:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/09/george-soros-go-wrong/

George Soros recently lamented the rise of President Trump and anti-establishment parties across the globe, saying “everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong.”

Soros made the comment in an interview with The Washington Post published Saturday. He also said that he did not expect Trump’s election, saying, “Apparently, I was living in my own bubble.”
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June 10, 2018 8:43am
- holysheet
  
  You think?
  You and all the other democrat fuckwits have had your day.
  Watch how a real man does it. Trump might not be right in everything he says, but he’s a bloody sight better for the US than any alternative.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:51am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Actually the Republicans control the senate, Congress and presidency and they couldn’t balance the budget, cut bureaucracy, Obama care, and they couldn’t find a few billion to spare out of 40ish trillion they will spend over the next decade to secure their border. Nor has any attempt been made to deal with the unsustainable entitlement programs in the USA.
    
    Sure Trump has wheeled and dealed and negotiated some good reforms out of the Republicans, but at the end of the day both the Republicans and democrats are for big government and big spending and one man isn’t going to change that, the USA needs a few hundred Trump Jr’s to run for office in Congress and the senate to start making meaningful reforms.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:38am
    - Ross12
      
      Holly
      I’m not sure they do “control” the House and the Senate. There are too many Rinos in both establishments.
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:50am
- Inandout
  
  Soros is in God’s waiting room and now wishes to atone for the horrible things he has done in his lifetime. A truly disgusting creature.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:20am
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Do in future make Praise be a regular on your TV watching Calendar . The presenter this morning featured hymns written by Isaac Watts and Charles Wesley

He concluded Praise with this famous quote from John Wesley , his Rule for Life ,

Do all the good you can
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By all the means you can,

In all the ways you can,

In all the places you can
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At all the times you can,

To all the people you can,

As long as ever you can.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/praise-be
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June 10, 2018 8:48am
- holysheet
  
  Stooopidboy, never be ashamed of who you are, what you say or what you have become.
  That’s your parents burden to carry.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:54am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Downtick for really poor , punctuation.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:54am
- Harkman
  
  Do good, leave here now, forever.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I can see that you just really hate religion. Jesus is frowning at you.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:17am
duggledog

Shaun the Sheep

Yeah you’re right I well remember Bola. It hit us bad.

But the simple fact of the matter is, if a forestry owner large or small has to clean up the slash he or she wouldn’t make a dollar in profit.

After the costs of extraction, and trucking to port there’s not a hell of a lot in a log and we have very good prices right now. If you want I’ll give you some numbers for getting the gear to the site, setting up the skid, wages for the loggers and transport (about to go up cheers Labour)

Just the same with gold mining or almost anything else in NZ; uneconomic due to the conditions placed.

You can’t have it both ways – you can work towards equity for the environment and the human but we have a footprint for our endeavours.
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June 10, 2018 8:49am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Then maybe forestry on the East Coast isn’t viable.
  If the trees can’t be planted and grown to harvest responsibly at reasonable return on investment, then maybe there is another use for that land and forestry needs to find more appropriate sites.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:20am
  - Flash
    
    There isn’t another use for some of that land unless you can convince tourists to regard bare, clay hillsides as beautiful scenery.
    After all the costs of harvesting (including the removal of the slash) I am still getting a cheque every month – and paying tax.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The use is Protection forestry.
      i.e . Plant, then leave trees in the ground on steep erodible country.
      You mightn’t get an immediate return off your patch of hillslope, but you won’t be hammered with costs for stuffing-up streams/rivers/coasts/ roads, bridges, river flats and settlements.
      
      Because if Forestry can’t harvest and manage the land without endangering the livelihoods of folks downstream, then short-term production forestry needs to move to sites that can be managed economically (for all rate-/taxpayers).
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:08pm
Happychappy

The stardust is losing it’s shine and instead of being a winner second best is ok for Jacinda.The leader that thought she could walk on water and win the Northcote by election found out that encouraging voter to get to the polls because Labour had narrow the gap found out the voter don’t care for their lies and the margin remained over 7% to National. But she was so proud of the fight put up by the Labour Candidate, as the old saying goes Jacinda their are only whimps and winners second best means nothing.
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June 10, 2018 8:53am
- Paulus
  
  The biggest item to look at is the numbers of early voters. Labour for one as well out ferrying old people to the Northcote Mall where they could vote there.
  This early voting is not a good look.
  Should be reviewed.
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:04pm
Harkman

“The market has failed” the spacecadet told dopey Dann, then in her reasoning for the statement is because no one is making smaller houses. Has she seen the regulatory compliance costs?
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June 10, 2018 9:13am
- Harkman
  
  The Spacecadet also claims her skills and Winston’s ‘compliment each other’ nicely. Ha comedy, what skills? Fairy dust and alcoholism? In the real world it’s called a hangover.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:25am
- Harkman
  
  This Max Harris is a ladyboy, a real lefty wimp. We need to introduce civility, only when National is in opposition.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Your insults will crush him, surely.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:18am
    - Harkman
      
      Your satire is amazing. I’m trembling.
      
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      June 10, 2018 10:49am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    ROFL
    Max Harris – talking of the Singapore meeting between Kim and Don – wonders if there is a similar role for NZ sorting out these issues in the Asian region.
    
    Well there’s Winston waiting in the wings to apply his diplomacy skills if this week’s meeting doesn’t result in world peace.
    So reassuring to know that.
    //
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:26am
- Harkman
  
  Even Don McKinnon is gushing over Cindy. What job has Labour given him?
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:32am
holysheet

Cindy is used to coming second. Only got to be PM by the wim of the drunken dwarf, second or third or forth etc, choice of Clarke as a missus. When you reach your maximum level in life, to her being second must be a good place to be.
Ask the french, maybe she got this from her meeting with Macron last month.
Their rugby players certainly accept it. In fact I think after last nights performance, they played to be second.
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June 10, 2018 9:13am
- Paulus
  
  It appears that Cindy’s Canadian husband is about to get canned next year.
  His support is collapsing dramatically in State voting recently.
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:07pm
NK

Their candidate stood just 8 months ago and has name recognition; and has lived here for 7 years; and was beaten by a relative no name from the other side of the bridge at his first attempt at campaigning who held the same vote percentage Coleman did 8 months ago. And that’s even with Jacinda fairy dust being sprinkled everywhere.

This is an incredible result and a massive bloody nose for Labour and the coalition. Massive. Halbert has tried, and failed, twice in 8 months without cutting into National’s vote at all.
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June 10, 2018 9:13am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Lol. He reduced the majority by 60%. This was a safe National seat which is now marginal. A great result for Labour and the Nats will be very worried about this.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:23am
  - KevOB
    
    Rubbish. The majority is what is expected for a newby following a popular member. Works on both side of the House.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:29am
  - Harkman
    
    National doesn’t do well in by-elections. It tends to be about local issues and lefty candidates turn up promising big government schemes locally that never happen.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:36am
    - sam green
      
      Like bridges?
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:04pm
      - sam green
        
        I’m sorry downtickers – I didn’t notice that they had been built. You know – the bridges Bridges promised at the by election.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11919885
        
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        June 10, 2018 7:30pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    A great result for Labour would be a win, but like yachting there is no second prize. Stop talking shit, and et back to the stranded
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:14am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    What a load of bollocks. His majority was slashed, because 15,000 fewer people voted.
    
    In the meantime, I hope Halbert is adding “Two time loser” to his CV. It’s a far more accurate statement than claiming an MBA which he hadn’t completed.
    
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    June 10, 2018 12:19pm
- RF
  
  Don’t forget the SLG could not remember his name.
  
  How embarrassing.
  
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  June 10, 2018 1:34pm
MCos

This morning I listened to the new Northcote MP, Dan Bidois, talk to Wallace Chapman. I haven’t heard this guy before, not being my electrate, and I don’t expect he’ll be a leading light in National at least in the meantime.
Most of the conversation revolved around public transport and the regional petrol tax. He wanted bus & ferry fares reduced plus improved park & ride facilities increased, but he didn’t want the petrol tax instigated that is intended to pay for such things.
So where does the money come from and isn’t it a local body issue anyway?
Dan Bidois fell back on the usual source of mythical wealth handed down though the generations – more efficiency in the council.
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June 10, 2018 9:18am
- peterwn
  
  That counts for little. He will do well if he heeeds Kiwi Keith’s (‘breathe through your nose for the first three years’) and Jonathan Hunt’s (‘the most successful MP’s are those who take the bother to find out how the place works’ or similar) advice. Simon will assign him a ‘portfolio’ area and his task is to find out everything possible about it and to know it upside down and inside out. Do all that well and he will be OK.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:28am
  - KevOB
    
    Bidois has no competion from anyone on the COL benches.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:32am
- NK
  
  That’s because they’re the voters concerns. It may astonish you,but they are. I live in the electorate, and have done for 14 years. That’s what a good local MP does – voice the concerns of the people he represents.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:58am
Monique Watson

I’d trust a duck to run the show over Winston. And Heather du double barreled doesn’t have a grasp of history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

Got any grapes?
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June 10, 2018 9:18am
JibberJabber

Oh my fucking Gawd, anyone listening to the self-aggrandizing narcissist Ardern talking shit to the starstruck lickspittle Dann this morn?
The sheer volume of Bullshit just broke my BS meter, and I`m not even watching it, unfortunate enough to be able to hear it from me desk and the missus is telling me to stfu, turning it down hasn`t occurred to her.
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June 10, 2018 9:22am
- Harkman
  
  Yes they measure her bs on the Richter scale.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:37am
mikenmildagain

Very good story this morning on Media Watch about the meth-testing hysteria and media coverage of it.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018648254/bringing-the-big-meth-myth-mess-to-light
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June 10, 2018 9:27am
- ztev
  
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  The developing story is that the official advice all along was that the testing levels were only for meth labs but HNZ saw a way to get people out of houses and renovate them under the guise of testing – and then sell them to meet guidelines for cash raised.
  When houses had been empty for 6 months they wer allowed to go through the sales process. The testing and reno process took 6 months !
  A md national ministers knew of this subterfuge, as there is a statement from English about wheter the guidelines ( meth testing) were correct which he soon refuted his own concerns.
  Money by selling houses in a rising market in Auckland was the motivation , meth testing was just a cover.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:35am
  - VicParking
    
    Don’t forget about the barrels of gun powder in the basement of parliament.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I don’t know that my reading of the situation would accept that as a deliberate rationale. What is clear is that Housing NZ and government ministers were happy to capitalise on the moral panic surrounding this issue and that already vulnerable families have been further harmed as a result.
    It has been a most unhappy concatenation of scientific ignorance, deliberate panic stirred up by the bullshit meth-testing ‘industry’, widespread prejudice against state-house tenants, government pressure on Housing NZ to make more money from the assets, and Housing NZ managers forgetting about the purpose of their organisation.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:24am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘the purpose of their organisation.’
      
      Their purpose should be to provide law-abiding citizens who desperately need help with temporary safe housing while WINZ helps them get into employment and find a private rental.
      
      I.e. no meth users (criminals) and not in houses that at the time were understood to have unsafe levels of meth.
      
      If the latter point has definitely be proven to be wrong (science changes as more data develops), then sure, keep people in those houses. But *not* if they are criminals.
      
      I certainly wouldn’t meth users them in private rentals nor on the street though. Drug treatment centres would be the best option.
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:56pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Whatever HNZ decides re people smoking meth inside HNZ housing, as a private owner I absolutely do not want *any* smoking of anything inside a rental. Because it creates pollution inside the place, making it more difficult to rent to new tenants, and possibly making it more dangerous for future tenants.
  
  So will this frightening government make it illegal for private owners to make ‘no smoking’ a rental condition?
  
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  June 10, 2018 12:04pm
waikatogirl

It is the National Fieldays at Mystery Creek next week, 13-16 June. The annual get-together of farmers to buy farm machinery, catch up and chew the fat with farming mates from all over the country. The PM always attends Mystery Creek Fieldays but will she this year? Will Cindy, or any member of the Cabinet run the gauntlet and face the farming fraternity en masse?
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June 10, 2018 9:27am
- ztev
  
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  Hello … have you been on another planet. ‘ A baby’ is due next week, Jacinda wont be there.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:37am
  - Harkman
    
    If the baby comes in the next couple of days, no one will notice.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:39am
  - VicParking
    
    I though Robertson was having the baby on her behalf to please the LG community. $600 a ticket to watch
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Quite frankly ztev I am not aware of Cindy’s due date. It’s of no interest. The governance of the country (or whatever the hell the COL are doing) will have to continue during and after the birth, so hence I included the Cabinet members attendance in my question.
    I repeat: Will Cindy, or any member of the Cabinet run the gauntlet and face the farming fraternity en masse? ? ? ?
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:26am
    - Harkman
      
      Labour’s entire plan is Cindy getting pregnant, I’m pretty sure that’ll wear thin when people can’t afford a damn thing.
      
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      June 10, 2018 10:52am
      - KevOB
        
        Is Cindy going to plead she can’t be executed for her criminal negligence in office because of her pregnant state?
        
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        June 10, 2018 3:06pm
      - cha
        
        executed for her criminal negligence
        
        Oh dear, KevOb’s neglected to take his antipsychotic.
        
        Nurse, resperidone, stet!
        
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        June 10, 2018 3:16pm
      - KevOB
        
        @cha
        
        Not taking adequate care when there is a duty of care becomes criminal if it is sufficiently reckless and causes damage in itself imposing a duty of care.
        
        Dealing within this in the political area is a problem. I see a duty of care imposed on a govt under its mandate or contract to govern. Surely a government has to obey at least the standard its citizens are held to account to?
        
        No taxation without representation is well established but other controversial proposals need preliminary approval by being put to the people at a general election. This prevents order being disturbed subsequently. Govt is not by regal fiat: the people need to know what the rules are to be and the govt be bound by what is approved at the ballot box. There is obviously some tolerance but cancelling whole industries without consultation is not foreseen. In a commercial context that would be struck down. As we have no mechanism for that by govt, it is implied that such conduct is not then permissible as being irreversible, tremendously disturbing of present order or financially hazardous to the state so requiring regal power to do so.
        
        In my view the govt’s conduct has been reckless to the point of negligence which would be criminal to others. Ideology cannot substitute for the peoples’ consent but only as the basis of proposals to put before the electors for their mandate. Action on deals between COL partners are subject to the same rules and scrutiny.
        
        The govt has forfeited its right to continue.
        
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        June 10, 2018 4:54pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        That’s true but increasingly military planners are viewing energy and climate as a significant national security risk. And the guys have been pretty vocal lately. Not directly but the impression is it’s a problem. So, it is a nuclear moment so to speak.
        
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        June 10, 2018 5:03pm
    - Liberty
      
      Col could send farmer hater David Parker.
      He could explain to the farmers why he wants to exterminate the countries cow herd without compensation.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696327/New-Zealand-minister-David-Parker-says-country-overrun-cows.html
      He might get sorted like Cullen on the west coast
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/21148/logging-protests
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:16pm
  - big bruv
    
    ztev
    
    “have you been on another planet. ‘ A bastard’ is due next week”
    
    Fixed it for you.
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:05am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Lots of people have long term unmarried, committed relationships and children. Socially libertarian but financially conservative people will support National without any emphasis on having to be married or labelling kids ‘bastards’.
      
      But people should only have children if they are in a financially stable, committed long-term relationship.
      
      Having kids without a supportive partner and expecting the taxpayer to pay is not OK for over-burdened taxpayers who would rather pay for their own kids. I’m all for payment for *new children* ending completely 9 months from now (i.e. only supporting currently pregnant women). Then if pregnant without own or partner’s financial support: choose either family, friends, charities, abortion or adoption. All the Lefties who want to help unsupported and unemployed people have children can form their own charities, nothing stopping them.
      
      The only time someone should get WINZ help is if they need the dole and help to get back into the workforce asap.
      
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      June 10, 2018 12:57pm
      - GoVege
        
        The original purpose of the DPB was to support abandoned or abused mothers and children.
        If we stuck to this definition, the thousands on the DPB would shrink drastically.
        
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        June 10, 2018 1:46pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I totally agree, GoVege. Actually in either of those cases though, if the man is in work, he should be paying for the kids and part of the rental (possibly private), while the woman gets into employment. ‘Abandoning’ these days should be very hard to do, as tracing people becomes easier.
        
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        June 10, 2018 2:00pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        I agree, disabled and mentally challanged people aside, if the vast majority of people can live without subsidies from WINZ then the few stragglars should be able to aswell. But instead of writing cheques for people between jobs WINZ should lend people the money at an interest rate comeserate to the risk of default and late-payments.
        
        As for child support, its hard to justify why the Man should have to pay, given that its the womens choice regarding BC and whether or not to keep the child. Its far too easy for people with access to sexual relations with the well off to have an ‘accident’ and get pregnant, as a form of lifestyle or career.
        
        It doesn’t matter whether its through WINZ or Child Support, having a child is not a career, its not a job, and women should make sure they are in a poisition to provide a stable and financially secure home enivronment for their children before having children! Anything else should not be encouraged by income redistribution through the state!
        
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        June 10, 2018 2:18pm
  - softail 1450
    
    trev , foals by the dozen ,loser .
    
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    June 10, 2018 12:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I sense your excitement, but I am afraid I can’t join your agonising wait to see if baby arrives before the all-important field days.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:37am
- kevn
  
  @WG…. Might be one of the slower sales Field Days. Attendance will be good though, as farmers all get together cursing this coalition of losers and liars.
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:41am
  - waikatogirl
    
    kevn, The National Fieldays are a huge event and are always well attended. Numbers of visitors are always signalled as being higher than the previous year. As you say, sales will be slow with most farmers having already tightened the belt and battened down the hatches for the next few rocky years.
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:16am
- big bruv
  
  waikatogirl
  Yep, Fieldays is when the farming community come together to spend the money I was forced to give them during the last drought or flood.
  Must be fucking great being a farmer, no need to ever buy insurance when you have the tax payer there to bail you out.
  
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  June 10, 2018 11:51am
  - Liberty
    
    big bruv
    Green academics living in their cosy townhouses. Who fill the city drains with grey water without being held responsible for decline in the city ecosystem.
    While condemning farmers need to build dams to conserve water for drought years.
    Or make it near impossible to build irrigation dams. Because they might restrict the use
    of a canoe by some townie on a sunday picnic.
    
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    June 10, 2018 2:27pm
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Nah Cindy will be at some kindy somewhere
  
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  June 10, 2018 1:09pm
- Paulus
  
  Farmers actually have some manners contrary to most of Calamity Cindy’s mob.
  They will give her some courtesy at Fieldays albeit she does not deserve it.
  After all she is a silly little pregnant unmarried girl who thinks she is more clever than all the Farmers.
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:12pm
- sam green
  
  What bollocks Waikatogirl. Fieldays is about more than just some farming mates getting together to moan about the government. It’s about horticulture, agriculture, services to those industries, education, innovation etc. The people who go are a broad spectrum of people from our country and city communities. I think the gauntlet may be in your head.
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:48pm
Monique Watson

And under the headline: “Slim Margin, my ass!”

Claiming victory over a clear defeat:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/104588858/pm-jacinda-ardern-proud-of-defeated-shanan-halbert-in-northcote-by-election
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June 10, 2018 9:29am
- ztev
  
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  National guy had his margin much reduced over last time.
  Lets see how he does in next 2.5 yrs over his local campaign which acted like he was running for
  Auckland council. As of course he couldnt run on Nationals record- he ran away from that
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:53am
  - Flash
    
    I believe it was a famed Mayor of New York who once said that ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL.
    Most people only care about how they will be personally affected by proposed policies, not the country as a whole.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:50am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    In a meaningless by-election that will have no impact on who governs NZ, with turnout about half of a General election, and in which NZF don’t even stand a candidate, National’s new candidate picks up a 1362 majority flummoxing the high-turnout rabid left.
    
    Bidois picked up nearly same percentage of vote that Coleman had, Halbert pulls a bit off Greens.
    
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    June 10, 2018 12:52pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Ztev doesn’t understand percentages, be easy on him…
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Why do Labour insist on picking these fruity types?
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:54am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Well if he was not selected as a candidate, other fruity types would throw a tantrum – and we can’t have that
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:22am
  - holysheet
    
    It you’re gay and you are from New Zealand does this make you a Kiwi Fruit?
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:25am
    - big bruv
      
      “It you’re gay and you are from New Zealand does this make you a Kiwi Fruit?”
      
      It makes you a Labour MP.
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:54am
      - softail 1450
        
        big bruv, oh well halbert can settle down and have a family with his husband now.
        
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        June 10, 2018 12:26pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Why do Labour insist on picking these fruity types?’
    
    Because they work by identity politics now: race, sexuality, gender, age all much more important than sensible policies that will keep the economy going and not scare small businesses, Mum and Dad landlords and people who have managed to accumulate a few savings for retirement.
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:04pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Standard Fake News Methodology
  
  The slim margin lie comes straight out of the New York Times fake news playbook.
  
  Here they try to convince that the Supreme Court only narrowly ruled in favour of the Christian baker who told a pair of gay activists who drove past 33 other bakeries to find someone they could be offended by to create a rainbow test case.
  
  The court ruling was by 7:2 – which was as slim as the margin by which the ABs thrashed France by. Of course, they’ll say the ruling by the court was on just the specifics of the case (doh what else could SCOTUS do – they don’t make fucking policy) and thus the ruling was “narrow” as a way of saying the offenderati pooftas were right anyway. Still the “narrow decision” headline could equally be interpreted as meaning “narrow margin” the devil is in the detail.
  
  It’s worth pulling stunts like this because while most ordinary, decent people won’t fall for it – the naive and vapid that the libtard parties prey on just might be dumb enough to swallow the lie.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:40am
  - Harkman
    
    What gets me is how they are claiming this is a narrow ruling, it’s part of case law now.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:56am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Styxhexenhammer666 made a good point: what if a hetero person went in and ordered a gay wedding cake for friends? Presumably it’s making the particular cake the bakery refuses to do, not serve someone because they are gay. Bid difference. If the gay couple had ordered any other cake, they weren’t being refused service.
    
    What if an anti-gun bakery refused to bake a gun-shaped cake? Surely that would be their right.
    
    I’m saying this as a totally pro-gay libertarian.
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:10pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘Big difference’ I meant.
      
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      June 10, 2018 1:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DP, you conveniently leave out this kind of analysis,
    
    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled in favor of a Colorado baker who had refused to create a wedding cake for a gay couple. The court’s decision was narrow, and it left open the larger question of whether a business can discriminate against gay men and lesbians based on rights protected by the First Amendment.
    
    The court passed on an opportunity to either bolster the right to same-sex marriage or explain how far the government can go in regulating businesses run on religious principles. Instead, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s majority opinion turned on the argument that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, which originally ruled against the baker, had been shown to be hostile to religion because of the remarks of one of its members.
    
    At the same time, Justice Kennedy strongly reaffirmed protections for gay rights.
    
    “The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts,” he wrote, “all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an open market…”
    
    Why?
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:17pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘whether a business can discriminate against gay men and lesbians based on rights protected by the First Amendment.’
      
      But they weren’t discriminating against serving the gay couple by throwing them out. They just didn’t want to bake them that particular cake.
      
      If you ran a bakery in the U.S., would you bake someone a gun shaped cake? Or would you politely offer to serve them a cake that fits in more with your political/religious beliefs?”
      
      What if you served vegetarian food and someone demanded a meat dish? That would be totally based on your beliefs. As long as you politely offered them a vegetarian dish, that’s not discrimination.
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:06pm
    - KevOB
      
      I interpret Justice Kennedy’s opinion to mean that people can be turned down in a commercial situation because of religions belief but they are not be given a hard time over the differences between them. Reasonable.
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:55pm
    - UpandComer
      
      To protect gays from themselves.
      
      Because if you have to bake the cake, then they have to bake the one that says ‘Gays = AIDS, End AIDS”
      
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      June 10, 2018 3:28pm
  - KevOB
    
    A slim margin for SCOTUS is 5 to 4 not 7 to 2.
    
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    June 10, 2018 2:58pm
- big bruv
  
  It’s all relative Monique. Stuff are the same people who would describe Megan Woods as slim.
  
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  June 10, 2018 11:52am
  - holysheet
    
    Slim of mind but ample of body?
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:53pm
JibberJabber

Let me provide a synopsis, I, I, I, me, me, me, FIGJAM, everything is “intuitive” when it comes to running the “purest MMP govt” the country has ever had.
I shit you not.
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June 10, 2018 9:31am
sooty

National and Labour were luck that Penny Bright did not stand for election, that would have skued the results.
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June 10, 2018 9:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  When did SKUs get turned into a verb?
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of Penny, she’s been very quiet lately.
  Is she in the hospice?
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:17am
  - KiWombat
    
    She didn’t stand for Northcote cap. Somebody might have asked some embarrassing questions about where the deposit money came from !!
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:49am
    - sooty
      
      Too hard to get there with a few buses and a ferry.
      
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      June 10, 2018 12:27pm
Monique Watson

Orbital fracture. Legal. Tu’ungafasi smashed Grosso but not intentionally Head high.
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June 10, 2018 9:44am
- stinkypete
  
  http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/ckelleher/watch-tackle-put-remy-grosso-hospital-leaves-french-fuming/
  
  does not look good in slow mo
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:01am
- big bruv
  
  Rubbish, that’s definitely intentional. He did it because he knew he would get away with it. After all, he plays for NZ.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:48am
  - Colville
    
    bruv
    The ABs are good, some of them are even great.
    
    But I dont think even they can plan and execute a 2 person head butt at full speed during live game play.
    
    I rate them as the best sporting organisation the world has ever seen but you obviously rate the ABs as being even better than that!
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:45am
    - big bruv
      
      Colville
      “I rate them as the best sporting organisation the world has ever seen”
      Lol, that’s outstanding, even for a fan of the NZ rugby team. On what basis do you make such a ludicrous claim?
      
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      June 10, 2018 4:48pm
Longknives

Tauhei Notts-

Just to get you (and any other fans) in the mood for the big race today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18ui3Rtjz4
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June 10, 2018 9:54am
VicParking

As for the Rugby the failing newspaper/Gossip rag is running with the bull shit the French are sprouting about “Illegal” (worse than foul) play by the French. If you had listened to the ref, he said the played fell into the tackle and Ayoub agreeded with him.
Why Wayne Smith has to spend the whole game running down the All Blacks, he does it every game he commentates is beyond me. According to him we only won because of the yellow card given to a French player, the three tries we got when he came back on don’t count.
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June 10, 2018 9:56am
- big bruv
  
  Drag your pregnant wife down the street by her hair…that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  Punch your pregnant wife in the face…that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  Assault innocent members of the public in a bar…that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  Break into a house inhabited by two sleeping young ladies…. that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  Piss all over the floor in a restaurant or nightclub…. that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  Blatantly assault a member of the opposition…. that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  Sexually assault numerous females…. that’s ok, you play rugby for NZ.
  
  Rugby fans should stop pretending they want crime punished, it’s clear to me that Kiwi rugby fans only want crime punished if you’re not a member of their over hyped and brain-dead team.
  While not really being a fan of international football I will enjoy the World Cup (the real world cup) for a couple of reasons. The first is that it shows the sycophantic followers of the NZ rugby team that rugby does not rate at all on the world stage. The second thing that always makes me laugh is the way the NZRU gets desperate for coverage whilst the World cup is on. The NZRU go into panic mode, expect to see some hilarious press releases as they struggle to remain relevant during the tournament that really does stop the world.
  
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  June 10, 2018 10:46am
  - MCos
    
    You sound a bit desperate yourself, cobber.
    
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    June 10, 2018 11:05am
    - big bruv
      
      McCos
      
      So you’re OK with rugby players dragging their wife down the street by her hair are you?
      That’s nice to know.
      
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      June 10, 2018 4:49pm
      - Longknives
        
        Just the Boys ‘Letting off some Steam’ Bruv!
        (They are under a lot of pressure you know)
        We should be used to this by now…
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:58pm
  - Nookin
    
    Gee, Bruv is going to watch the World Football cup to teach RFU a lesson. I bet everyone sits up, takes notice and starts shivering in their boots. I for one will be exceptionally discombobulated if I hear that BB is watching soccer along with other countless squillions and may not watch a rugby test. The impact will be thunderous.
    
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    June 10, 2018 12:38pm
    - Colville
      
      bruv.
      
      You can beat one of your farm workers to death with your fists and still get selected for the Spring Boks …. fair enough its a few years back and the worker was a darkie…
      
      …..
      
      Rugby is a game of physical and psychological intimidation…and 15 play 16 every game as the ref is always on the other team. They are trained to push hard and answer with agression..
      No surprise when you have hyper fit young lads with a pocket full of money and no world experience there are a few fuck ups…
      
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      June 10, 2018 12:50pm
      - big bruv
        
        Colville
        
        At least you are honest enough to admit that you would not mind if a NZ rugby player broke into your daughter’s house while she slept. Hell, if you’re lucky that rugby player might not rape her or drag her down the street by her hair.
        
        Of course, you would not extend the same leniency to a Maori or PI kid from south Auckland would you?
        
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        June 10, 2018 4:52pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, triggered…
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:22pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Riot after a game: football
    Assassinate a player for making a mistake in a World Cup: football
    Threaten death to a player for having a bad game: football
    Have orchestrated fighting before, during and after a game: football
    Give the IOC a run for corruption: football
    Execute a flying kick on a fan during a game: footbal
    
    It’s such a beautiful game.
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:29pm
DifferentPerspective

Inconvenient Picture, Northern Hemisphere Summer – why all the ice at the North Pole?

But, but the science was settled! The North Pole was going to be ice-free by 2018! Is this a massive whipped cream lake over the North Pole?
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June 10, 2018 10:32am
BananaLlama

Told ya National would win Northcote easily. It’s unlikely NZ Labour will ever win that electorate again.

Big fuck off protests over in the UK right now as well 20,000 turned out in solidarity with Tommy Robinson, seen a few of the muslim loving police getting their ass handed to them.
Good day all round.
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June 10, 2018 10:50am
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘It’s unlikely NZ Labour will ever win that electorate again.’ Until they shoe-horn in enough social housing to skew things :(.
  
  Tommy Robinson protest: awesome turn-out.
  
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  June 10, 2018 1:17pm
Monique Watson

A farmer had the most beautiful daughter in the County:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYCHZNG6Nk&feature=push-sd&attr_tag=9OPKhPQluMQ5aN48-6

BTW, I’m manning a sharpie (vivid) to try and draw a cock and balls on one of my son’s heads. Never grow up.
It was one of the other teenagers ideas. We crept into the room like the three stooges. I was all ready to stand like a statue and take photos. 🙂 But they slept with one eye open. I’m a gonna tattoo them tonight.
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June 10, 2018 10:54am
Fletch

Geert Wilders goes to England and leads a huge rally demanding the release of Tommy Robinson.

“At this very moment, thousands of people all over the world are demonstrating in front of British embassies, from LA to Sydney, and over half a million people have already signed the petition for Tommy,” he told the crowd.

“And all with the one important message: Free Tommy!

“Tommy Robinson is the greatest freedom fighter of Britain today. Tommy Robinson is a freedom fighter. He says what no-one dares to say. He has guts. He has courage.

“And that is more than we can say for all those people that govern us. Because our governors sold us out with mass immigration, with Islamisation, with open borders. We are almost foreigners in our own land,” he declared.

“And if we complain about it, they call us racists or Islamophobes — but I say, no more. And what do you say?” he asked the assembled crowds.

“No more!” they shouted back.

“That’s right. Enough is enough. We will not be gagged anymore. No more tyranny.

“My friends, 75 years ago, your fathers and grandfathers liberated my country from tyranny,” he continued.

“My country, the Netherlands, is a free country today, because the British brave boys and men, people like you, liberated us.

“And do you know how we used to call these British soldiers? We called them Tommies!” he exclaimed.

“But today your government has put a Tommy in jail. Freedom is behind bars. Tommy is behind bars.

“And that is totally unacceptable, and that is why we say: Set him free!,” Wilders shouted.

“Tommy is in jail while the British state looked the other way for years, when thousands — thousands — of English children and girls were brutally raped by those grooming gangs.

“They were your daughters. The daughters of the brave Tommies. The daughters of the hard-working, decent people of Britain, who made this beautiful country so great.

“But for years, and years, the police, the politicians, the prosecutors did nothing, and looked the other way.

“They refused to listen to the victims. They arrested fathers who tried to liberate their daughters. They left children in the hands of those gangs.

“But Tommy, my friends, Tommy acted. Tommy didn’t look in the other direction. He refused to ignore the problem. He gave voice to millions of Britons who were abandoned by the authorities.

“And when Tommy protested, the same authorities could not be fast enough to jail him and to gag the media.

“And I tell you: that is not democracy. That is not freedom. That is what they do in Saudi Arabia.

“So I ask you: Do you want to be Britain, or Saudi Arabia?

“My friends, it was not Tommy who was breaching the peace, it was your government who was breaching the peace!” he declared.

“And we cannot, and we will not, accept it any longer. We want freedom, and it is our duty to speak out against rape, against grooming gangs, against Sharia law, against barbarism — and we demand the release of Tommy Robinson.

“So here we stand in full solidarity with Tommy, because, like him, we are sick and tired from being silenced.

“And I tell you, today we have a message for all the government of the world, and our message is: ‘We will not be silenced! We will not be intimidated! And we tell the government, we are not afraid of you!

“We will never surrender! We will stand strong and do our duty, we will defend our civilisation, and we will protect our people.

“And I tell you, to the governments, you can throw us in jail, but you will never defeat us.

“Because, my friends, for every Tommy whom you imprison, thousands will rise up.

“So take notice Theresa May, take notice Dutch prime minister Rutte, take notice, Mrs Merkel and President Macron.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/09/london-massive-crowds-gather-to-hear-geert-wilders-demand-tommy-robinsons-release/

Video of Wilders speaking at the rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTemO-LLkY
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June 10, 2018 11:56am
- simpleton1
  
  The removal van keeps bringing them in as we can not live with out them.
  A haunting melody from times past, and now of living through the changes in Britain.
  A tragic black comedy, with the truth etched in it
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efox-uWtjwg
  Living Next Door To Ali – Parody Song (joke) 3m. 31 secs.
  Parody Song by “Daniel the Spaniel”
  Daniel Bostock
  
  A wry smile; and good for a laugh too.
  
  Could be one of our local’s signature song. 🙂
  
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  June 10, 2018 12:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch.
  
  “Tommy Robinson is the greatest freedom fighter of Britain today. Tommy Robinson is a freedom fighter. He says what no-one dares to say. He has guts. He has courage.”
  
  Bollux. He pleaded guilty to the charges of which he had been convicted before.
  
  Just a mere rabble-rouser who will soon be forgotten.
  
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  June 10, 2018 1:13pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    People plead guilty upon lawyer’s advice. The lawyer wasn’t his and didn’t know Tommy’s situation.
    
    People plead guilty for all sorts of reasons if a lawyer advises it’s the best approach, not because they are really guilty.
    
    More importantly, if one is ‘guilty’ under a crappy law against freedom of speech, that makes one about as ‘guilty’ as Nelson Mandela was when ‘found guilty of “statutory communism”, a term that the government used to describe most opposition to apartheid’.
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Tommy Robinson was convicted for Contempt of Court. Nothing whatsoever to do with free speech!
      
      UK far-right figure Tommy Robinson jailed for contempt
      
      LONDON (AP) -“ Tommy Robinson, a prominent far-right activist in Britain, has been jailed for 13 months after live-streaming outside a criminal trial in violation of reporting restrictions, a court said Tuesday.
      
      Robinson, a pseudonym of 35-year-old Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was arrested Friday at Leeds Crown Court in northern England, where he was broadcasting details of an ongoing trial on Facebook.
      
      The trial is covered by restrictions on what can be reported while it’s underway – a common practice in Britain, designed to protect the impartiality of the jury..”
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-5783211/UK-far-right-figure-Tommy-Robinson-jailed-contempt.html
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:19pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Yeah, right SoB. Laws against freedom of speech can get called all sorts of things, including in his case ‘contempt of court’.
      
      Ours will be called ‘hate speech laws’. And idiots like you will claim ‘that’s not a law against free speech’.
      
      Until someone has *you* up for hate speech…
      
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      June 10, 2018 4:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal, so its nothing to you to make statements that would adversely affect the outcome of a trial?
        
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        June 10, 2018 4:17pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        He didn’t make any statements that had not been already published in the media. He was extremely careful to call them ‘alleged’ crims.
        
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        June 11, 2018 2:02pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    It is great to have you on our side Steph as a brother in Christ.
    
    You speak the truth as you have done in previous posts here when you make it clear you are 100% dead against the imposition of Sharia Law in the West. We must stand strong against those who prefer Sharia to take precedence over Western Law.
    
    The Pew research makes it very clear that Sharia is the preferred legal system and that our laws fall short in comparison.
    
    I trust that in your Christian heart you will find the strength to forgive Tommy and the methods he employs to bring about an end to the same plague you protest here.
    
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    June 10, 2018 1:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Rodney Randall,
      
      ” We must stand strong against those who prefer Sharia to take precedence over Western Law.”
      
      ???
      
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      June 10, 2018 2:20pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Are you saying you don’t know what he means?
        No surprise there, you’re as thick as pigshit.
        
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        June 10, 2018 3:05pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yeah, SoB, sharia is full of super-liberal policies, just read ex-muslim expert Hamed Abdel Samad. Oh wait, for some reason he doesn’t call it the ‘delights of liberal islam’ but ‘Islamic Fascism’.
        
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        June 10, 2018 4:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal, shall we also say much like the latest darling of the alt-right, Tommy Robinson?
        
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        June 10, 2018 4:14pm
cha

There was a time when this would’ve been called treason, and the fucker hung by his heels.

Arron Banks, the millionaire businessman who bankrolled Nigel Farage’s campaign to quit the EU, had multiple meetings with Russian embassy officials in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, documents seen by the Observer suggest.

Banks, who gave £12m of services to the campaign, becoming the biggest donor in UK history, has repeatedly denied any involvement with Russian officials, or that Russian money played any part in the Brexit campaign. The Observer has seen documents which a senior Tory MP says, if correct, raise urgent and troubling questions about his relationship with the Russian government.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/09/arron-banks-russia-brexit-meeting
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June 10, 2018 11:57am
- BananaLlama
  
  I had a read of the article it looks like the Russians were trying court him into buying their gold mines and mostly consists of allegations.
  Meanwhile good old George Soros, a foreign national, is actively funding a campaign to overthrow the Brexit result.
  
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  June 10, 2018 5:07pm
  - cha
    
    Yeah, because who hasn’t been offered the opportunity to invest in a multi-billion dollar deal to buy 6 gold mines, and all financed by a state-owned Russian bank.
    
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    June 10, 2018 10:24pm
Monique Watson

Tasman Resources just dumped 6.78 cents. Guess whatever claptrap the COL pumps, the industry has gone into the Shitter overnight.
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June 10, 2018 11:58am
- cha
  
  Tasman Resources just dumped 6.78 cents.
  
  nah
  
  https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/a30ff90c-9658-42e7-ad7c-24d0cfb1e852.png
  
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  June 10, 2018 12:08pm
Ross12

I decided I would read up on Jimmy Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act (or whatever it is going to be called) and put in a submission.
This is all I found about it
http://zerocarbonact.nz/zca-summary/
Have I missed something or is this all they have put out about it?
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June 10, 2018 12:09pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Under the headline, “Suck Back a Cup of Shit for Breakfast”:
  
  Climate change is a pressing global crisis that is already impacting on our homes and livelihoods. The planet has warmed by around 1°C since pre-industrial times, mainly due to human greenhouse gas emissions. The world has agreed that we must limit warming to well below 2°C, and aim for below 1.5°C. This requires global CO2 emissions to reach net zero by early in the second half of the century, along with deep cuts in other greenhouse gas emissions.
  
  New Zealand can make a fucking difference, in the short term, right?
  
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  June 10, 2018 12:27pm
- RF
  
  Jimmy 2 mums is so desperate for good publicity he now writes glowing accounts of his proposal to himself.
  
  Dear wee man.
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:16pm
- Ross12
  
  BTW My question is a serious question. Have they put out more detail than I have linked? If not then how are we meant to make a submission based on that useless summary?
  Or are they playing games and just going through the motions of consulting the public?
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:44pm
Ross12

This is how you shut Trudeau/Merkel/Macron and all the “G6 + 1” group up :

“President Trump on Saturday challenged G7 leaders to make the G7 a tariff free and subsidy free zone.”
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June 10, 2018 12:21pm
- cha
  
  Does he really want to turn red states blue?.
  
  https://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=00000&progcode=total&yr=2016
  
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  June 10, 2018 12:35pm
- cha
  
  To underline Trump’s hyperbole, the average tariff rates charged by G-7 nations –
  
  USA: 1.6%
  EU: 1.6%
  UK: 1.6%
  Italy: 1.6%
  Germany: 1.6%
  France: 1.6%
  Japan: 1.4%
  Canada: 0.8%
  
  https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS?end=2016&start=2016&view=bar
  
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  June 10, 2018 2:19pm
  - softail 1450
    
    cha, is a beneficiary and a lying piece of dog shite,
    he’s very similar to septicboy ,a good googler, i wouldn’t be surprised if they were gay lovers but of course i’m just speculating ‘
    Not that there is anything wrong with being gay just ask 50% of the labour caucus
    
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    June 10, 2018 2:44pm
    - itstricky
      
      a good googler
      
      So s/he’s clearly found some facts you can’t refute then?
      
      Not that there is anything wrong with being gay
      
      Lucky you have a big humming engine between your legs – we now all know you can’t be gay.
      
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      June 10, 2018 3:00pm
    - cha
      
      Oh look, semi-literate cretin opines.
      
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      June 10, 2018 3:06pm
  - Ross12
    
    It is the old story about stats cha.
    They are moaning about Trump putting tarrifs on aluminium and steel. The UK and the EU did the same thing a couple of years ago.
    But even you should be able to see Trump’s challenge I posted above is a tongue cheek response to the childish G6 +1 antics and other BS Trudeau, in particular, is spouting.
    
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    June 10, 2018 3:03pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Could you by chance post what Canadian tariffs on American Dairy are?
    
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    June 10, 2018 5:36pm
    - cha
      
      Huge, but dairy subsidies make up 73 % of US producer returns, and the US still enjoys a large dairy trade surplus with Canada.
      
      btw, subsidised US dairy over production isn’t really Canada’s problem, is it?
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2018/jun/09/milk-canada-us-trade-war
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:28pm
      - Duxton
        
        That was interesting. And then I saw the link to The Guardian, and realised it was made up.
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Duxton will be back with the correct figures soon…
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:50pm
      - sam green
        
        He’s good like that.
        
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        June 10, 2018 11:55pm
Johnboy

How could any rational person suspect that Nancy Xin and her alkaline water is not about making lotsa money from dumb folk but is all about improving intelligent folks health? 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104517929/questions-raised-over-where-new-zealand-bottled-water-is-coming-from
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June 10, 2018 12:59pm
Johnboy

Why the fuck do we have to complicate the world by this nonsense…”equal rights stuff” by putting stupid wimmen warders into mens jails?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104537994/corrections-report-reveals-relationship-between-rimutaka-prison-staffer-murderer-inmate-and-prison-manager
Lets get back to sensible and put men warders in mens prisons and wimmen warders in wimmens prisons! 🙂
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June 10, 2018 1:35pm
- calendar girl
  
  ….. and put male commentators (only male ones) into men’s rugby, and female commentators only female ones) into women’s netball!
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:04pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I really like the way you’re thinking girl! 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 6:21pm
Suze Wainwright

It’s fascinating listening to leftist pundits claiming that Labour actually won the Northcote by-election. Let’s be under no allusions, Labour definitely tried full on in this particular campaign – the attempt to promote the Jacindamania brand in a trendy, liberally-minded electorate, the creation of anger at Jonathan Coleman for leaving early, the presentation that any ‘problems’ in Northcote are definitely the fault of the last 9 years of National government…
The rhetoric is almost Winstonesque. You might think I lost, but I didn’t – I actually won! This result is exactly what I predicted would happen and I’m the only politician in this country who really knows what real NZer’s think and what they really mean when they vote – even if they didn’t actually vote that way… Go back and check your facts – I think you’ll find I never said I’d actually win the seat, but this is a definite and uncategorical win for my government and that is how real NZ will demonstrably see this!
Mark my words, someone will have been donkey deep in the National Party campaign!
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June 10, 2018 2:32pm
softail 1450

“2018 Northcote bi election,Labour victorious.”
Tomorrows herald front page.
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June 10, 2018 2:50pm
- Johnboy
  
  Meanwhile in farming news…”Murri successfully farm vast acres of scrub” ! 🙂
  
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  June 10, 2018 3:09pm
  - sam green
    
    For your reading pleasure ….
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104319074/rotorua-farm-wins-ahuwhenua-trophy
    
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    June 10, 2018 3:30pm
  - sooty
    
    How’s that Raglan golf course going.
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:16pm
    - sam green
      
      I don’t think it’s a farm.
      
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      June 10, 2018 11:57pm
RF

Jesus frigging Christ. Stuff has an article from Tracy Watkins…..

The PM is worried about her superwoman example as other expectant mums might feel the pressure to follow her example.

She feels the pressure of being a role model.

Be warned as although Peters is in charge she will not relinquish control completely.

I am stunned and feel that although I am unworthy I should make a sacrifice to this goddess.

FFS ….. just who in the hell does she think she is.
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June 10, 2018 3:30pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Are you seriously ridiculing our beloved Mother of the Nation?
  
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  June 10, 2018 3:46pm
- Longknives
  
  “FFS ….. just who in the hell does she think she is.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_complex
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:22pm
Keeping Stock

Another great drive from Scott Dixon gives him a win in Texas, moving him to the top of the Indycar season points standings.

His 43rd career Indycar win makes him the third most successful driver in Indycar history. The only drivers ahead of them are AJ Foyt and Mario Andretti, both absolute legends.

Dixon carries the nickname of The Iceman, and has built himself a fantastic career in Indycar. He is just another Kiwi sportsman who doesn’t get the recognition he deserves at home.
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June 10, 2018 3:52pm
- big bruv
  
  Great result but he is not a sportsman. He is a driver, there is a difference.
  
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  June 10, 2018 4:57pm
  - stigie
    
    Should he have said sportsperson BB..?
    
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    June 10, 2018 5:00pm
  - Longknives
    
    Disagree Bruv- He is very much a sportsman.
    And one of our best ever!
    
    *And light years ahead of the All Blacks in terms of making it on the ‘World Stage’..
    (Who like to beat their chests and call themselves the ‘Greatest Sports Team Ever’ etc)
    
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    June 10, 2018 6:19pm
    - MCos
      
      When it comes to recognition from the most people any amount of our cricketers would take the cake.
      
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      June 10, 2018 7:12pm
      - Longknives
        
        Agreed MCos.
        Cricket has a huge following…
        
        *But Motorsport IS massive- Ten times bigger than Rugby…
        
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        June 10, 2018 7:23pm
nasska

Painful nipples, melasma & night sweats, hair loss, haemorrhoids, back & pelvic pain, Ab separation, incontinence & gas, perineum soreness & water retention are all part of postpartum recovery. Then we have “hormones that will be fluctuating while the new mother may not be thinking clearly & will be more emotional”.

https://familydoctor.org/recovering-from-delivery/

And this is the train wreck who’ll be back running the country in six weeks……”Hysterical” may not cover it.

I reckon we could be in for a rough ride!
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June 10, 2018 4:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska, so sorry you have seven more sleepless nights to look forward too.
  
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  June 10, 2018 4:10pm
- Johnboy
  
  Never fear nasska….Winnies here…..commeth the contractions….commeth the contractor! 🙂
  
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  June 10, 2018 4:18pm
- MrTips
  
  Painful nipples, melasma & night sweats, hair loss, haemorrhoids, back & pelvic pain, Ab separation, incontinence & gas, perineum soreness & water retention are all part of postpartum recovery. Then we have “hormones that will be fluctuating while the new mother may not be thinking clearly & will be more emotional”.
  
  Wow. And thats just Clark. Imagine what Jacinda has to deal with!!!
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:26pm
  - Duxton
    
    Snort!!!!!!
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:10pm
Fletch

Caption competition from the G7 🙂

https://www.news965.com/rf/image/Wires/w2/AP_Top_News_Politics_Stories/2018/06/10/Images/07494cb2910c4e42adf034efe47199db.jpg
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June 10, 2018 4:22pm
- cha
  
  Nah, this one.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfTBANlWkAAQMnt.jpg
  
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  June 10, 2018 4:26pm
  - nasska
    
    Don’t agree with the politics but that’s clever cha. 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 4:33pm
wiseowl

CH 85 now.
Alan Jones on and well worth watching.
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June 10, 2018 4:31pm
Johnboy

I’ve been lying awake in my bed worrying about what Peters might do to fuck the country but now I can sleep easy cause I know that Jackass is going to keep on fucking the country and Winnies just a figurehead! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104595355/pm-jacinda-ardern-worries-about-superwoman-example
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June 10, 2018 4:58pm
nasska

We might be better off with Winston. If Chompers has a bad attack of ‘baby blues” we could wake up one morning & find out that she’s decided to do away with Tourism as well!
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June 10, 2018 5:07pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha Yeah We were wondering at the pub the other night what Ardern’s next ‘Captain’s Call’ would be?
  The guys at the pub reckon she will come for Booze first (Massively hike the price- looking to end the industry) then come for meat after that…(We should all be Vegan you see?)
  
  What a fucking dangerous lunatic this woman is…
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:16pm
RF

Radio NZ has an interesting comment concerning yesterday’s result.

Cindy has been trumpeting how they slashed Nationals margin of 4600 down to 1300 however when you factor in the poor voter turn out the change is less than 1%.

Actually the labour vote dropped from 12862 to 8745.

Pardon me Cindy…. speak up.. can’t hear you….
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June 10, 2018 5:28pm
- Longknives
  
  Ardern is just utterly pathetic.
  She is on the news as we speak telling even more baby stories….Ugh! (she is the expert already you see..)
  Have some freaking dignity Woman! You aren’t the fucking first person on earth to give birth…
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:12pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why do you watch the news? And there’s still the sports news about the All Blacks win to make you even angrier.
    
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    June 10, 2018 6:28pm
    - Longknives
      
      Don’t watch Rugby anymore Mikey- It’s all too predictable (The Terrified Ref will ALWAYS bail out the All Blacks if they are in any trouble)
      
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      June 10, 2018 7:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But you still watch the news, and it seems to get you reliably outraged – so you still have that going for you.
        
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        June 10, 2018 7:08pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/104597842/new-plymouth-dairy-owner-hurls-grocery-items-at-man-to-foil-robbery
Police are still deciding wither to charge the dairy owner with assault with a can of baked beans! 🙂
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June 10, 2018 5:42pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  He should have used a taiaha – otherwise known as the cultural defence card!
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:01pm
  - nasska
    
    Pīni tunu are culturally safe weapons Nostra.
    
    But only since we found out about the correct placement of the macron & after we received the blessing of the Māōrī wānkērāttī. 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 6:21pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      Pīni tunu
      
      For a moment you had me thinking that a “small penis” is a culturally safe weapon.
      
      It’s easy to misread “pini” as “penii”. And a group of half-naked people, wearing grass skirts and waving spears, who thrust themselves forward could be seen as intimidating their opposition with “penii” 🙂
      
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      June 10, 2018 6:30pm
      - Johnboy
        
        He meant “pīni maoa” Nostra! 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:33pm
      - nasska
        
        Nowadays they rely on quivering belly blubber & poorly tattooed arses slapping against the backs of their knees to intimidate their opponents Nostra. 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:35pm
Monique Watson

My money’s on either Central Plains or Tiwai Point getting the chop.
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June 10, 2018 6:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I haven’t heard of either of those horses. Are they running in the States?
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:36pm
  - Johnboy
    
    How are you coping with the multiple personality change syndrome there Milkey? 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 6:43pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mikenmild
      Mikewasmild
      Mikenmildagain
      
      What will the next reincarnation be?
      
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      June 10, 2018 6:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Yours more suitability Nostradumbass!
        
        LOL
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:51pm
      - Johnboy
        
        God knows but Sunday night TV is so bad that we may as well be here giving the latest Milkey Maid a good rub up! 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:51pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Nostradumbass
        
        Have you managed to get the restraining order (preventing you from interacting with young girls at St Albans) lifted? Is it true that the St Lukes security team were called to an “incident” after you were seen loitering outside the cafe with binoculars? Do you masturbate to the cross-dressing photo of Donald Trump that you posted on Kiwiblog?
        
        LOL
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:54pm
    - nasska
      
      He seems happier now as mikenmildagain JB.
      
      mikewasmild was just too aggro to match his persona! 🙂
      
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      June 10, 2018 6:52pm
      - Johnboy
        
        If only he’d stuck to counting paperclips at the PSA and cheering on HOBM I’m certain he wouldn’t be such a confused puppy as he’s recently been nasska. 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2018 6:56pm
Nostradamus

An interesting perspective on the Trump-Kim summit:

China stands to be the biggest winner in economic terms from the Trump-Kim summit in Singapore this week. An easing of tensions and ultimately sanctions will bring bigger profits to China. On the North Korea-China border, China has already spent millions on new bridges and free trade zones ready to take advantage of cheap North Korean labour. China hopes to boost its economic growth in its “rust belt” areas in the north-east by deepening and expanding economic ties with North Korea.
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China is keen to pull North Korea into its massive global “Belt and Road” infrastructure initiative. And Mr Trump has already conceded that North Korea’s economic future will be China’s doing, telling reporters, “that’s their neighbourhood, it’s not our neighbourhood”.
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June 10, 2018 6:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  From your same link, this offers us a far more fascinating “perspective”,
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-10/donald-trumps-goldenhair/9854932
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:55pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    From your same link, this offers us a far more fascinating “perspective”
    
    No, it’s not from the same link. I posted a link to a well-written op-ed article, not to some trashy ABC Insiders mash-up.
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Maybe Trump will get on so well with Kim Jong-un that he’ll be convinced that reunification under his new best friend will be the best thing for all Koreans.
  
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  June 10, 2018 6:56pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It worked for Winston and the Greenies under Jackass so who really knows Milkey! 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 6:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, I think we all know that Trump will call it a huuuge success.
      
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      June 10, 2018 7:02pm
VicParking

Why does TVNZ cut a few seconds off scenes so they can squeeze in more advertising.
Don’t they realise people also watch them on YouTube.
In comedy it usually means you miss a Joke….
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June 10, 2018 7:03pm
- Johnboy
  
  If you’re watching TVNZ Vic old chap you’re watching a perpetual joke on the taxpayers! 🙂
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:07pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Johnboy:
    
    If I spend $1 million on a TV station and no one watches it, then it’s a bad investment.
    
    If I spend $1 million on a TV station and 1 person watches it, then it’s still a bad investment ($1 million per viewer), but VicParking is kindly taking one for the team!
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:09pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I think he’s a secret Coro St. addict! 🙂
      
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      June 10, 2018 7:16pm
cha

‘Murica

Lockdown, Lockdown, Lock the door

Shut the lights off, Say no more

Go behind the desk and hide

Wait until it’s safe inside

Lockdown, Lockdown it’s all done

Now it’s time to have some fun!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/08/shut-the-lights-off-say-no-more-nursery-rhyme-prepares-kindergartners-for-lockdowns/
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June 10, 2018 7:06pm
Tauhei Notts

I have seen comments on the London protests on the Daily Mail, the Daily Express, the Guardian, the Independent and Al Jazeera. But both the Stuff and NZ Herald sites are ignoring it.
There is something sinister when our local media block out all mention of Tommy Robinson. There has got to be some reason for it, and I would like to know what it is.
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June 10, 2018 7:18pm
- Longknives
  
  What did you think of Justify today Tauhei?
  He’s pretty damned good…
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:20pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Yes, he is good. But what a loss to the world’s breeding when Scat Daddy, his sire died so young. That young NZ bloodstock agent who sought out Justify for the owners; he did well.
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:45pm
    - Longknives
      
      Triple Crowns don’t happen very often- So this horse is a genuine superstar!
      
      *Still a way to go before he reaches the heights of my two American favourites- The mighty Secretariat and that absolute beast Seattle Slew..
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:09pm
- nasska
  
  Easy. What Robinson represents isn’t an accredited leftist or SJW viewpoint.
  
  Therefore a total blackout of all news concerning him is imposed.
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:23pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kiwiblogger nutcases demand coverage of fringe foreign nutcases from the mainstream media who they already despise?
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:27pm
  - cha
    
    Oddest blackout, ever.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/free-tommy-robinson-protesters-clash-police-in-london
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/06/free-tommy-robinson-far-right-protesters-demand.html
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:29pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Thank you Cha. I never look at TV One. I had overlooked Newshub. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
      
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      June 10, 2018 7:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Therefore a total blackout of all news concerning him is imposed”
    
    You deluded twit!
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:00pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      You deluded twit!
      
      Why do you think that Nasska gives a fuck (or half a fuck – a full fuck is wasted on you) about your personal assessment of him?
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:31pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Are you his personal spokesman? with his an inability to speak for himself, you twit twat!
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:37pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        you twit twat
        
        Thanks for your opinion. I’ll file it away in the unlikely event that it turns out to be useful for something. I’ll keep my personal assessment of you to myself for now. But, as a general observation, once again your hatred of women and their private parts comes shining through!
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:40pm
      - Inandout
        
        stephie’s socialist world is slowly tumbling around him and he is getting a bit loony about it. Trump is going ahead in leaps and bounds and the Left is incensed.
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:56pm
- Fletch
  
  I was telling my folks about him and they didn’t even know who he was or what had happened to him, and they generally watch 1 News, Prime News, and read the Herald every day.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , it is quite possible they have no care or were confused by such a fraudster who has undergone numerous aliases.
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:06pm
nasska

STATE OF ALASKA ATTORNEY SEASON AND BAG LIMITS
**** 1300.01 GENERAL
1. Any person with a valid Alaska state hunting license may harvest attorneys.
2. Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of currency as bait is prohibited.
3. Killing of attorneys with a vehicle is prohibited. If accidentally struck, remove dead attorney to roadside and proceed to nearest car wash.
4. It is unlawful to chase, herd, or harvest attorneys from a snow machine, helicopter, or aircraft.
5. It shall be unlawful to shout “whiplash,” “ambulance,” or “free Perrier” for the purpose of trapping attorneys.
6. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW dealerships.
7. It shall be unlawful to use cocaine, young boys, $100 bills, prostitutes, or vehicle accidents to attract attorneys.
8. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 200 yards of courtrooms, law libraries, whorehouses, health spas, gay bars, ambulances, or hospitals.
9. If an attorney is elected to government office, it shall be a felony to hunt, trap, or possess it.
10. Stuffed or mounted attorneys must have a state health department inspection for AIDS, rabies, and vermin.
11. It shall be illegal for a hunter to disguise himself as a reporter, drug dealer, pimp, female legal clerk, sheep, accident victim, bookie, or tax accountant for the purpose of hunting attorneys.
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June 10, 2018 7:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  6. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW dealerships
  
  Ok, if Julian Assange can live in the Embassy of Ecuador in London for 6 years (and counting), then a lawyer could make do without home comforts in a BMW dealership!
  
  After all:
  
  3. Killing of attorneys with a vehicle is prohibited. If accidentally struck, remove dead attorney to roadside and proceed to nearest car wash.
  
  The BMW dealership would be a sanctuary! And an on-site car wash would provide showering facilities!
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:23pm
- Nookin
  
  I am somewhat perturbed about this talk of stuffed or mounted attorneys. I was not aware that Stephieboy was heading off to Alaska.
  
  You realise, of course, that Alaskan game licences restrict harvesting attorneys (or other game) . Harvesting must be solely for the purposes of gathering food and the entire carcas must be consumed. I suspect that I for one, have little nutritional value.
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:55pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nookin:
    
    Your reference to carcass consumption brought to mind Todd Sampson’s Body Hack 2.0 TV series.
    
    An Indian tribe member has gnawed into the flesh inside a dead human’s skull in a confronting Australian television first. The eye-opening ritual was part of Todd Sampson’s Channel Ten series, Body Hack 2.0, which delved into the traditions and religious beliefs of the Aghori Sadhu tribe. Sampson watched as elder, Babaji, laughed hysterically before chowing down on the human matter – a practice his culture considered ‘strength giving’.
    
    There was even something for Stephieboy:
    
    Sampson also partook in an eye-boggling ‘penis yoga’ ritual, which involved naked men bending their penises around a sword. While he refused to attempt the meditation himself, he climbed aboard a sword suspended by nothing but a tribe member’s penis, with his full body weight.
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:06pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  They need one for KB trolls like Ztev and stephieboy…
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:20pm
Monique Watson

That Watkins commentary is pure unadulterated bullshit and talk about a fucking Farce: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she’s not superwoman – and she worries about other expectant mums feeling the pressure to follow her example.

Oh do Fuck right off. The baby’s healthy, you’ve got plenty of help; probably won’t bring the baby up, and don’t crow because you slid it past the country that you were in full on fucking pregnancy mode. Might have found you were back in opposition had this been commonly known. Under the headlines: “Get your Priorities Straight”.

Haha;

“As If Peters is out of the country or cannot fulfil the role for whatever reason Ardern’s deputy, Kelvin Davis, would be next in line as acting prime minister. Davis has been in hot water with the Prime Minister lately after a shambolic select committee appearance where he refused to answer questions and put down a female MP by calling her “hysterical”.

Hot water is an overstatement. Token attempt to keep the troops in line. And H2 is still banging around trying to keep order.
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June 10, 2018 7:30pm
Johnboy

I think it’s damned unfair if anyone runs over an attorney with say a Toyota. They should only be allowed to do it if driving at least a Lexus or better! 🙂
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June 10, 2018 7:30pm
- Monique Watson
  
  And at the other end of the chain, they might be run over with a Daihatsu. Or a Hyundai. I’m a Ford or Chevy girl myself but am currently chuffed with my Hyundai.
  
  I trapped an attorney once. One of my best friends. Can knock back two bottles of wine and still walk straight.
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:45pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “I have some lawyer friends”
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:55pm
    - sooty
      
      Well ain’t you the lucky one! Me , I say thank god I don’t, the only thing worse is accountants! Well maybe a politican nz or local.
      
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      June 10, 2018 9:45pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”but am currently chuffed with my Hyundai”…..
    
    Look, we appreciate that you have your pride but if you’d let us know that you’d fallen on hard times we could have set up a Give a Little page or asked DPF to run an appeal.
    
    Surely there was a cheap Mazda on Ebay somewhere in California! 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:58pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Hub’s won’t let me drive the Beamer. Never drove it into a ditch but I’ve touch parked the Chevy a couple of times. In true womanly fashion I blame it on the guys: “Why are women such bad parkers? Because men tell them ‘this’ is eight inches long”. I’m hoping to behave myself enough to upgrade the Hyundai to an Audi by the time I’m 45.
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:44pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Monique Watson:
    
    I trapped an attorney once.
    
    You trapped him between your bed sheets? How did he get away? 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:59pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      She 😉 And it’s not gay if it’s a 3-way.
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nice Monique – and I assume all legal service charges for “professional services” (ie your property transactions) were waived 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:08pm
      - Longknives
        
        “She ? And it’s not gay if it’s a 3-way.”
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfi8fT9oHkQ
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:39pm
  - Inandout
    
    Two bottles of Californian wine, still walks straight..yes I can believe that.
    
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    June 10, 2018 9:49pm
nasska

Diogenes dusted off his lamp and set out once again, this time looking for an honest lawyer. After a few months of this, a friend asked him how he was doing. “Not too bad,” said Diogenes, “I still have my lamp.”
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June 10, 2018 7:32pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Diogenes dusted off his lamp
  
  Up to that point Stephieboy thought you were telling a sex joke!
  
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  June 10, 2018 7:33pm
  - Johnboy
    
    There used to be a chap at school nicknamed “Diag”
    It was because his…….
    
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    June 10, 2018 7:41pm
Monique Watson

Harvested my lavender earlier. Then walked around the house asking, “Who pisses on the seat”? All four boys say, “We all piss on the seat, Mom”.
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June 10, 2018 8:05pm
Ross12

Looks like Soros and Merkel are onto plan B.
They realise the EU is in real danger of falling apart after, among other things, the Italian election results.
So Soros is now saying the EU must give 30 billion Euros a year to Africa and a few days later Merkel announces she has given up on the immigrant quota idea. They now understand people are really annoyed about the immigrant issue.
The voters are winning!
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June 10, 2018 8:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross 12 , stupid things amuse stupid people.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:16pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy says “stupid things amuse stupid people”.
    
    Like when All_on_Red politely informed you that the Stephieboy veil had been lifted:
    
    Raaaalph!
    
    I bet you were amused (but wet your pants spontaneously) when you read that. You quickly deleted your Facebook profile!
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Doxing finds favour with puerile and infantile minds like you and All on Wed.
      
      I’m in good company including Trump and Palin ,
      
      https://html.com/blog/doxing/
      
      And since you and Wed count for nothing in the great scheme of things why should i care with your prattle .
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:29pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Im in good company
        
        Do your St Albans friends know what sort of company they’re with? Have you told them that you’ve said perverted things, posted perverted pictures, and harrassed women (including sexually) on Kiwiblog?
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:36pm
      - sooty
        
        Stephie, does St Albans know that you are a closet mussie?
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:39pm
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    It is about politics you fool !!!!
    
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    June 11, 2018 9:08am
rightoverlabour

To all you Trump Haters – Read this ( and weep)

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/06/california-breaks-democrats-hearts-big-blue-shutout-fails-and-other-takeaways-from-tuesdays-primaries.html?intcmp=ob_article_sidebar_video&intcmp=obnetwork

A few snippets

nearly 40 percent of those surveyed saying the country is “on the right track.” That’s about 13 points better than what it was during President Obama’s last year in the White House.

and

People are going back to work, the unemployment rate among all Americans is the lowest in decades and the black and Latino unemployment rates have never been this low since statistics have been compiled.

MAGA
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June 10, 2018 8:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  rightoverlabour,
  
  MAGA ? Not when Trump’s tax bill overwhelmingly favours the traditional GOP support base,
  
  https://www.npr.org/2017/12/11/569527547/the-myth-of-trumps-economic-populism-as-proven-by-the-tax-bill
  
  Nothing ( even in crumbs ) there for the rust belt constituency.
  
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  June 10, 2018 8:24pm
  - Longknives
    
    Apologies to the great Ronald Reagan- But Donald Trump is now without a doubt the Greatest President of my lifetime!
    
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    June 10, 2018 8:35pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “..of my lifetime”?
      
      You born 2013?
      
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      June 10, 2018 8:40pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        You born 2013?
        
        Stop masturbating and read what Longknives actually said:
        
        Apologies to the great Ronald Reagan- But Donald Trump is now without a doubt the Greatest President of my lifetime
        
        It’s clear that Longknives includes Ronald Reagan in his lifetime. Once again your stupidity shines through.
        
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        June 10, 2018 8:47pm
      - sooty
        
        Stephie must be tonights latenight troll, I think ztevs gone home.
        
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        June 10, 2018 9:36pm
Monique Watson

Jacinda isn’t a Jenny. She’s Benny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv2DuUbhsCw
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June 10, 2018 8:27pm
Monique Watson

Oh yeah, Longknives. He and Merkel tag-teamed at the Summit.

I think I’ve changed direction. I’m gonna write Giggity on my son’s forehead’s tonight, instead of drawing a cock and balls. Four son’s, four foreheads. I’ve just drawn ‘Quagmire’ on my Hubby’s tummy. He thought I was giving him the old tickle and fleece in his sleep.
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June 10, 2018 8:54pm
Piniwi

Wow the COL plumb to new depths as they scape the dregs from their pool with Wall as Chair of Social Services Select Committee? Who said things could not get any worse? Looking into liquor licensing laws now. What could go wrong there is bound to with that leader. Lol
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June 10, 2018 9:09pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Piniwi:
  
  Surely Ruth Dyson would have been a better choice for a liquor licensing law inquiry?
  
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  June 10, 2018 9:14pm
  - starboard
    
    Lol.. The fat ugly drunk, “I’m rat faced, I’ll drive.. Burrrrp”!! …?
    
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