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mikewasmild

Happy International Sauvignon Blanc Day!
https://www.nzwine.com/en/events/new-zealand/international-sauvignon-blanc-day/
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May 4, 2018 8:01am
- holysheet
  
  I’ll drink to that.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:03am
- RalphT
  
  Every day is Sauvignon Blanc day…
  Hic.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:12am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Typical comment – having a good old wine.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  New Zealand’s most harmful drug!
  
  It must be, I heard that on RNZ.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:22am
- macdee
  
  just you wait, they’ll double tax it soon, high alcohol and sugar content, then they’ll hide it in the store so you can’t find it
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:24am
- Fletch
  
  WHat happened to it being Star Wars day?
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:14am
  - jonno1
    
    May the Fourth be with you.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:49am
Longknives

I’m back from my Holiday!

What did I miss? Hope you all played nicely while I was away?..
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May 4, 2018 8:02am
- wreck1080
  
  Just the usual rudeness, foul language, abuse and stupidity.
  
  So, business as usual.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:12am
  - holysheet
    
    Fuck off you bluthering wanker……
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      holysheet , standard communication fare with the family around the home?
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:56am
      - KiWombat
        
        I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap out a smarter comeback than what you have to offer !
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:35am
    - Viking2
      
      That’s nice.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:56am
AgainstTheFlow

Energy Minister Megan Woods says the petrol market is broken.

Also the price of the pies in BP petrol stations is unacceptable in her opinion.
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May 4, 2018 8:02am
- oldgolfer
  
  Nice pies though.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:14am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I like the Pepper Steak one, unless there’s Butter Chicken.
    Or Steak and Mushroom.
    Or the green curry one.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:09am
    - lifesgood
      
      I think she’s tried all of them.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:24am
      - stigie
        
        Hang on, i thought she was Minister for cheese rolls and fine dining ? How could she stuff her face with assorted yummy pies..?
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:32am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Lord of the Pies.
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:38am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Stigiee – it isn’t a binary choice.
        You can have your pie and still line up at the fine dining! That’s If you don’t need to be size 8
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:55am
    - RF
      
      Pepper pig loves pepper steak pies….
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:53am
- Andrei
  
  And while she is wingeing about the oil companies making too much money from selling petrol they have refined and soaking the consumer her Government is putting up the taxes on the same.
  
  She’s saying petrol is too expensive while they are increasing taxes on it – FFS you couldn’t make it up if you tried
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:17am
  - tf78
    
    Does she realize oil has actually gone up from US$50-68/barrel in recent months, not to mention the exchange rate. What are they going to do when it reaches $100 again, will they reduce their tax accordingly so people can go to work.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:31am
    - Harkman
      
      No that math is far too complicated for her. You don’t get high in the Labour party by being good with figures.
      
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      May 4, 2018 8:49am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        I thought it was the greens that got high? Have I missed something?
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:27am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right Harkman but they are showing us that intervention and more taxes are still their standard MO. Can’t help but wonder is there might be more pain to come from the Commerce Commission Amendment bill that has started on it’s path through the House?
        
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        May 4, 2018 2:35pm
  - G152
    
    We don’t have to ‘make it up’
    Its happening
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:31am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Red herring Woods is busy setting up the 78th working party to distract and confuse the petrol buying public so they won’t blame the cost of a tank of petrol on Megan and own govt raising petrol excise. ?
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:31am
    - sooty
      
      I thought someone said up to 80 last weekend?
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:10am
      - Viking2
        
        The arabs are looking for $100 a barrel. They are closing down production to make it happen. Venezuela will be pleased.
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:59am
      - Jack5
        
        Add to world oil market uncertainty, the present shakiness in the kiwi dollar’s exchange rate, Viking2.
        Any fall in the exchange rate will multiply the effect of a surge in the world oil price.
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:24pm
    - VicParking
      
      Don’t worry we have lots and lots of oil just waiting to be found…woops
      
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      May 4, 2018 12:56pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right waikatogirl but can’t shake off an uneasy feeling that is some serious pain ahead for hard working taxpayers in the first sweet cheeks budget. After battling through some very choppy water for over a month and the budget due in 13
      ( known as an unlucky number) days there has been a rash of spending being announced by the COL. Dunedin’s new hospital and finally something seems to be ahead to address poverty/homelessness that we gathered from it’s lack of prominence had been solved. It is very dubious that such a rush of quick-fire announcements proceeding any budget can only mean A) another scandal is about to hit the fan or B) we are going to be hit hard in the budget. Especially after so much prior warning of struggling to find enough funding for Ministers expectations as well as broken promises. It is very noteworthy after the Middlemore beat up how they rush to stretch so many issues out so far to find a figure that paints a black picture. Thus attempting to make them look like the good guys as the tackle these “problems”.
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Celebritydom scribbler Simon Wilson in the Hooerald asks “why doesn’t National support the regional fuel tax?”.
    
    He writes of Auckland’s portion of the tax:
    
    ” The $28b will come roughly two-thirds from central government and one third from the council. It relies on a regional fuel tax, levied by the council, that will bring in $150 million a year: $1.5b over the 10 years. More importantly, that money will be leveraged. It will attract a 1:1 subsidy from government and development income as well, taking it to an expected $4.3b.
    
    That’s a remarkable win for Auckland: we’ll pay 10c a litre, plus GST, and get almost three times as much benefit from it.”
    
    As one of the 60 to 70 per cent of New Zealanders who live outside Auckland, I guess I should be saying, “You’re welcome to our tax money, Aucklanders.”
    
    Wilson and the Hooerald are propagandising in favour of Labour’s petrol tax.
    
    Does anyone outside Labour and the Greens still subscribe to the Hooerald?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12044535
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:21pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      What Wilson is not saying is:
      1. The people who will get very little benefit out of the ATAP plan will pay the tax because they have to use cars as transport. While those benefiting from the lolly scramble don’t pay much, as they will get more splashed out on them e.g. Dominion Road bus users will get a shinny new tram set;
      2. Most of the projects listed will do nothing or very little to address any transport issues in Auckland; and
      3. Residents in Hibiscus Coast-Bays and Rodney will pay substantial amounts of tax & tolls for Penlink, that will need to be made 4 lanes within 10 years of opening (sound familiar?)
      
      Then there are all the cycle projects that will do nothing except add to congestion.
      
      Is that enough reasons for National to oppose Twitford/Goofy & JAG’s planned regional fuel tax?
      
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      May 4, 2018 12:49pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Right hullkiwi it was funny to see a picture recently of Auckland highways signs that had replaced the distances with the expected cost of getting there through the traffic congestion.
        
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        May 4, 2018 2:55pm
    - Duxton
      
      I would rather have cancer than read anything Simon Wilson writes.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:45pm
  - NZDirect
    
    If this was really a big concern for Sharon (Kath&Kim) Woods, then they would not have made the moronic frontal lobotomy decision to axe oil & gas development in NZ. It should be drill baby drill but instead, we’ve got complete dropkicks making decisions without any consultation with the industry, Treasury or even any cost/benefit analysis. You couldn’t make this shit up.
    
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    May 4, 2018 4:47pm
- G152
  
  And the unavailability of pizza.
  All comments were written as she was dining at the time
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:30am
- cmm
  
  If it is broken now, just wait until a PhD in NZ History fixes it.
  
  Motivated by her knowledge of history:
  * Petrol price will be down to 25d a gallon. That will need to be inflation adjusted of course – only $2.20 a litre.
  * Ration coupons of 4 gallons per family per week.
  
  The primary thing pushing petrol prices up is tax. About a dollar out of every litre of petrol is either excise or GST.
  
  https://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf
  
  http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Econ-c15-44.html
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:34am
- KevOB
  
  Megan Woods is broken and her “govt”. What right does she have to “call in” BP for questioning when a private document is intercepted illegally or legally?
  Businesses with branches will always consider pricing and location-don’t supermarkets do that too? Competitors do exist in markets.
  
  Even worse the “Minister” is threatening heavy and expensive nuisance through increasing departmental power to examine businesses they don’t like. That is bullying. Criminal?
  
  Not our sort of government–oops they were selected not elected.
  No mandate. Labour have go to go.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    Makes a nice squirrel though.
    
    It stops people speculating about the spilled laundry detergent in various MPs households.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:41am
    - sooty
      
      ? Another rumor!
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:11am
  - lilman
    
    I couldnt believe BP went,I would have said sorry not coming.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:36am
  - 4077th
    
    BP should think themselves lucky she bothered to call them. The Natural Gas people are still waiting!
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:24am
  - NZDirect
    
    I pay more for a bottle of Coke at New World than at PaknSave. Can Woodsie please invite Foodstuffs to come and explain market economics to her and her Cabinet colleagues?
    
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    May 4, 2018 4:58pm
- Huevon
  
  She has a very unhealthy weight. Regular exercise and good diet are clearly not part of her routine. It’s hard to trust someone who is so undisciplined.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, Megan Woods. Regular exercise, for instance start doing all that cycling the CoL want us to do instead of driving!
    
    And start a ‘good’ diet, for instance much less meat and more soy the Greens want us all to live off! (Not that I believe that’s a good diet at all).
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:59am
    - alwyn
      
      “want us to do instead of driving”.
      Don’t worry. Megan doesn’t drive anywhere. When you are such an important person as she is you have other people to do such chores for you.
      Blooyt great Limo’s in fact which carry her down to the rtakeaway shops in style. Then the driver goes in to collect the pies while she sits in the back seat.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:25am
      - holysheet
        
        She said she has a hyundai electric car. I didn’t know they made those cars big enough to fit a lard arse like her.?
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:39am
      - sooty
        
        Can you see her on the back seat on a tandem bicycle been pedaled furiously by her driver while she has her feet up on the handlebars munching on a stack of pies! No I can’t either!
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:48pm
    - Piniwi
      
      @Classic Liberal wow back. What an image that prompts of the Telly Tubby on a bike with blocks on the pedals and trainer wheels not so much for stability but spreading the load. Might have to review total GVW for bikes to ensure they don’t fold up in traffric and become a bigger hazard.
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:00pm
  - riffer
    
    Strange. I didn’t see Gerry Brownlee keeling over due to the stress of leading the Canterbury Recovery while being excessively overweight.
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:02pm
    - alwyn
      
      You are quite right. He didn’t keel over.
      I can remember a lot of people making rude remarks about his weight though. Mostly those on the far left of the spectrum of course. The same people who got enraged when Me Too was described as a Teletubby.
      On the other hand I can remember commenting myself on at least one occasion that Gerry should lose a lot of weight for the sake of his health. It seems to be a very unhealthy lifestyle being an MP.
      
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      May 4, 2018 12:14pm
  - Garbageman
    
    What i want to know is how heavy do you have to be that your body starts storing excess fat in your eyelids and surrounding areas, slovenly in appearance and work ethics it seems
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I do hope no-one in the CoL holds shares in any of the other petrol companies.
  
  I would hate to think that a politician was trying to drive a competitor to the wall.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:09am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps MW we might need a reminding who owns Z?
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:02pm
- srylands
  
  On the BP thing, has any journalist asked “What exactly is the problem with the pricing strategy disclosed in the leaked memo”? Surely there must be one?
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:25am
- RF
  
  Must admit I cracked up the other day. I was watching TV and having a few beers with a visitor from New Jersey.
  
  Our very own Dr. Megan Woods was on TV and my visitor commented that she looked like Frosty the Snow man. A large blow up blimp you in the New York parades.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  May be she should get out more & then she’ll find:
  1. There is some profiteering at the pump (even within Auckland); and
  2. There is competition, even when stations are only 2km to 3km apart (you just need to have a Gull & a BP less than 500m apart).
  
  So, the market is not as competitive (low prices for all) as some would like & Gull is not in the lower South Island, that does not equal a broken market. Besides, she doesn’t have any solutions to what she perceives are problems, except more legislation.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:17am
  - alwyn
    
    I suggest you make a close examination of Gull’s business strategy before you start extolling them. Basically they want other Oil companies to bear thew cost of supplying their fuel anywhere outside of Tauranga.
    They also, for a long time, didn’t actually pay the full duty on the fuel they sold. That did, in the end, get stamped on and they had to pay about $22 million in duty they had evaded.
    They are also Australian owned of course.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:35am
    - hullkiwi
      
      alwyn, Yes, I’m aware of their model of importing refined fuel from Aust etc. & yes they are Aussie owned as opposed to Z & Caltex (both Infratil) v BP & Mobil.
      
      Gull have done a good job at keeping the big 4 honest. As the work commissioned last year be Judith Collins found, most of the fuel price comprised taxes & margin to the operator. Fuel cost & cost of sales of a litre of fuel is a relatively small proportion of what is paid at the pump.
      
      Consider this, companies like Mobil (Exxon) & BP are able to control the supply (& therefore the price) of fuel from the moment it is extracted to the moment it is dispensed at a petrol station. With the collusion of government’s around the world, Exxon & BP have financial & economic clout that is greater than most countries. So, if Gull gets one over on the big oil international oil companies, it can only be to the benefit of New Zealanders and our economy.
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:22am
      - alwyn
        
        I think you are a bit out of date. The days of Exxon and the rest of the “Seven Sisters” controlling the World Oil Market finished about 30 years ago. The dominant player now is Saudi Aramco, wholly owned by the Saudi Government. It has at least 10 times the reserves of the next biggest company.
        5 of the 8 largest Oil companies, by revenue, are state owned. The only public companies in there are Exxon, Shell and BP at 5, 6 and 8.
        https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/biggest-oil-companies-in-the-world.html
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:24pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Megan, always blow on the pie
  
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  May 4, 2018 4:21pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  This idiot, “summoned” the head of the NZ branch of an international corporation, to her office.
  After finding out they didn’t break any laws.
  She said it was a robust meeting.
  I bet it was, The head of BP, showed up, I wouldn’t have.
  Like someone with the intellect and ability of a primary school kid, summons the principle??
  Megan Woods has neither the:
  Qualifications
  skill
  intelligence
  to even get the most junior of positions at BP.
  Talk about promoted to the level of your incompetence.
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:04pm
holysheet

Phil Twitford picked up the phone one day and a voice said “Is that Phil Twitford”? He replied “Yes, can I help you”? The voice then said ” Well, I hope so, you see I went into Whitcoulls and asked for a Dictaphone and they gave me your number”
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May 4, 2018 8:03am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  🙂
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, he plays back anything JAG or the Transport Blog tell him.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:18am
Inandout

Twitford is putting building prices under the spotlight, but he didn’t mention unintended consequences. We all want cheaper building materials, but I can smell unemployment on the horizon, especially given Fletcher Building has gone bust. Our whole economy is built on expensive trades and services and can’t easily be dismantled by a Minister’s decree; or by threatening with a big stick.
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May 4, 2018 8:07am
- holysheet
  
  I haven’t seen the memo yet from Twitford about the future redundancy of gas appliances in home yet to be built. If we are going to run out of gas in 7 – 8 years, is it prudent to be designing and installing gas appliances in these yet to be built 10,000 homes?
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:14am
  - peterwn
    
    As I explained yesterday, gas will not abruptly run out. Reticulated gas and LPG cylinders will remain available for the foreseeable future.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:22am
    - cmm
      
      Try strapping a full 45kg cylinder (total weight 78kg) to your bamboo bike.
      
      Please let us know how you get on.
      
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      May 4, 2018 8:39am
      - Nev.
        
        Here you go mate
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:04am
  - niggly
    
    NZ must have hundreds (possibly thousands) of motels and hotels that use instant gas hot water systems for the thousands of bathrooms each suite has …
    
    Hundreds (possibly thousands) of restaurants and cafe’s cook with gas where available …
    
    People have pointed out the likes of hospitals and other organisations use gas heating ….
    
    I guess Labour expects them to collectively fork out hundreds of millions of dollars to replace them with electricity (and compete for capacity with EV charging) or collectively fork out tens millions of dollars each year to import gas from overseas and watch NZ’s hard earned $$$ (millions) leave the country each year – I guess there will also be hundreds of more heavy LPG gas carrying trucks on the roads (let’s hope not one of these hundreds of extras are involved in a crash)!
    
    The dimwitted Labour and Greens COL, brought to you by WinstonFirst, whom none of them didn’t even bother to research any of this as a government and have absolutely no idea of the impacts and consequences and couldn’t care less that the cost of living will increase for everyone including the low income and poor people!
    
    Jacinda and her “feelz” again – I suspect history won’t be treating her kindly in due course!
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:37am
    - holysheet
      
      Due course? It’s already here. The fairy dust and good feeelz are already turning to shit.
      
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      May 4, 2018 8:47am
    - peterwn
      
      It is major users of reticulated gas (including for electricity generation) who will be caught out first. The cost of their gas will rise more steeply than for small users and will plateau out at whatever it coses to import LNG from Australia etc. For those who need lots of heat energy (hospitals, dairy factories and some other industries), they will weigh up between persisting with gas, or changing to coal or liquid fuels (ie diesel or heating oil) and the odds is those on gas will stick with it (despite a coal ad years ago showing the janitor at Kings High School, Dunedin proudly showing off his school’s coal fired central heating boiler).
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:17am
      - AgainstTheFlow
        
        I would laugh very hard if – for example – a proposed pulp and paper mill in Northland was canceled because of insecure energy supplies to run its boilers, the investors citing the need for certainty over the 50 year life of the plant and the uncertainty over foreign investment regulation.
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:42am
      - Ross12
        
        Peter , the effect on emissions is zero. No, it will go up with the fuel burnt transporting the gas from Australia or where ever it come from.
        There no other word for these guys in Parliament but idiots.
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:18am
      - alloytoo
        
        (including for electricity generation)
        
        Cost of the wind not blowing will skyrocket as it has in Europe.
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:04pm
      - Piniwi
        
        @peterwn making it easy to look forward to DHB’s, hospitals and schools screaming for more funding for capital expenses. The familiar Fool Factor kicking in prompting us to ask will they be as quick to “signal” the transition for them like they tried with “signalling” the transition from fossil fuels?
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:10pm
    - tf78
      
      Coals to Newcastle ring a bell.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:25am
    - Viking2
      
      Replacing all the gas appliances etc will soon blow Robbo’s budget. Mind you there will be a market for exporting used gas appliances to say China or India or some other shit hole.
      Wonder who Labour have given that perk too?
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:04am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Gas cooking is the best, as every cook knows: instant temperature control. Asian friends of mine changed from gas to electric and deeply regret it, as some of their delectable recipes just don’t work so well without gas cooking.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:06am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Gone from gas to induction cooking. Bloody marvellous but pricy. Trick is though your old pots/frypans don’t work so you have to buy a whole new set!
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Only one of Fletcher’s business units, the one doing big building construction projects, is in trouble (having been hit by rapidly escalating regulatory and labour costs). the rest are doing great.
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:59pm
Poppa

In breaking news….The prison south of Te Awamutu is not warm & comfy & apparently not fit for human occupation. It is an outrage.

They are locked up in their cells for 22 hours a day. What an outrage.

Good I say, that is what prison should be, not some holiday at a 5 star resort
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May 4, 2018 8:08am
- rangitoto
  
  On TV they said it was sometimes 26 hours a day.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:11am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah I heard it was 30 hours, AND that didn’t include 2 hours for smoking their wacky backy.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:17am
    - hullkiwi
      
      …and for recreation the wardens come round & beat them every couple of hours. Luxury I say….
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:24am
  - G152
    
    Overtime ?
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:33am
    - lifesgood
      
      They’ll have to be compensated. The COL would be dumb enough to do that.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:28am
- Surely Knott
  
  And the Standard are relaunching their Middlemore shit down the walls are crumbling story. And the school buildings are also apparently completely broken according to Hipkins, despite $5billion being spent and the Auditor General saying in the last 10 years, capital expenditure in the school sector has grown significantly” and that “ministry has considerably strengthened its approach to managing school property in the last 10 years. I suspect this budget launch is going to be a real shocker and the squirel-bombs, excuses and problems are being rolled out before they launch their budget.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:58am
  - sooty
    
    Taxindas given instructions. Lets do this!
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:17am
    - kevn
      
      @sooty… yep, ” clearly we will get the boot in 2020, lets fu*k ’em proper”
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:31am
    - Paulus
      
      Not sure Calamity Cindy is nothing but a mouthpiece – a large one, for those posing and controlling behind her.
      Helen Clark, call me Sir Cullen and the arch operator Heather Simpson.
      Little Little nose is still in the trough waiting his return to leadership when CC sprogs.
      Labour Party Annual conference will sort that out.
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:35pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Excuses are all that Labour has left. It’s going to be interesting to see how much Robertson has to borrow to fill the fiscal hole.
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:47pm
wreck1080

Megan Woods says the ‘petrol market is broken’?

i just looked at her background, she is hardly qualified with her degree in history to make such statements.

Why do we have MP’s coming in like this with no idea about the subject matter and being able to act like experts?

The situation is that we have a private company making internal pricing decisions at a national level . So they subsidise prices from one outlet with those at another? So what! They did not break any laws.

The only person close to breaking the law seems to be megan woods by eagerly utilising information from stolen emails.

What is she going to do? Regulate company pricing decisions? Like she can do it better than the companies themselves? Laughable . She is a joke, and apparently a communist!!
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- rangitoto
  
  Liarbour is just trying to throw some of the blame for their massive tax hikes onto the oil companies. It might work with some the idiots who voted for the CoL.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  She looks like an Aunty at a barbie, busily making the salads.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “She looks like an Aunty at a barbie, busily making the salads.”
    
    More like an Aunty at a funeral, busy making the sausage rolls (and scoffing more than a few).
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:55am
    - sooty
      
      She’s busy running diversion on the rumors.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:18am
      - Nev.
        
        I can assure you Megan Woods is not running anywhere any time soon.
        Nev.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:20am
    - Piniwi
      
      @Captain Mainwaring that prompted the image of the little girl wrapping scorched almonds for family gift while most went in her mouth. Last was for Mummy but had to be for Mummy & Daddy to share.
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:21pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The Aunty that says “you boys minding the bar are not drinking yet are you?” “oh, pass me another bottle of Aquila before it all goes”
    
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    May 4, 2018 4:32pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Why are you surprised Wreck?
  
  If the leader tells us that capitalism has failed, the lacky will surely jump onboard with broken markets.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  From her shape and size she needs to make a lot of noise so that she is not ignored.
  But she will soon be forgotten one hopes.
  I think she is funny to watch her get on her soapbox.
  No idea !
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:17am
- oldgolfer
  
  The Labour-led ACC agrees to an Auckland petrol levy, the group of halfwits masquerading as government announces its intention to increase the levy on fuel, BP tries to make a dollar, and Woods says the petrol market is broken.
  Give me strength.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:19am
  - Piniwi
    
    But oldgolfer it seems that Wellington is ready to “get some too” when the loose legislation is passed. Perhaps it will be Winston First accepting the next petition that will come from Wellington motorists?
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:26pm
- 3-coil
  
  wreck1080 (8:09am) – the Minister thinks it’s within her purview to bitch and whinge about BP’s private business pricing strategies. Woody evidently prefers her own government’s NZPost/Kiwibank business model: if they’re not competitive, just shut those suburban and smalltown outlets down – shame about the job losses and inconvenience to the public, but never mind.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    And stick up the price of postage to drive more business away.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:21am
    - kevn
      
      @sooty… Who can beat 11 days ‘delivery’ for a properly addressed letter from Rotorua to a PO Box in Tauranga. I eventually had to scan and email the content.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:33am
  - Paulus
    
    And it is reported that the current recent returns on Kiwisavers is negative even after the Managers’s fees are deducted – they alone are greater that the earnings.
    Mugs are going to find out in real dollar figures soon.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:39pm
- KevOB
  
  utilising information from stolen emails.
  
  This looks like a Police matter. What is criminal for the public is even more reprehensible for a Govt Minister. The PM backs her up too. What does that say about the PM's standing?
  
  Even worse the Minister "called in",i.e. demanded, a BP executive attend on her to explain. That is criminal bullying. She is compounding this further by proposing to increase the Departmental power of inquiry. The aim is to increase nuisance and pressure to comply with the Minister's wishes.
  
  That's not Govt. that Mafia.
  These people got selected not elected.
  Get gone now.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:49am
  - marcw
    
    This Government are heading towards doing exactly the same as what ACC did to housing – regulating and restricting the industry to a predictable conclusion. Closing downs, slowing growth and the inevitable result – un-affordable houses and a shortage.
    
    They have no idea and are completely out of their depth.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    We have now had confirmation that the police are not going to go after her. Anyone on the left appears to be safe….That fat green woman, the labour sex pest(s), a precious so called celebrity, why should they bother themselves? They are totally in the pocket of labour showing they are corruptible.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:40am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right KevOB but is what we are seeing from Telly Tubby just a lot of posturing after the COL has decided to push up fuel prices with more tax? BP are the last of the major oil companies that service the NZ market ad as we have seen before they are an easy target for the envy brigade who target big business. Using a leaked internal document that talks about how they cope with strong competitive discounting is reprehensible to start with but trying to blow that out to be something sinister is a step too far. Then having Woods making such a show about summoning BP is just the second act of her little melodrama leading us to wonder if their is some other agenda behind it all and not just an attempt to save face.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:32pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Did Jim Anderson leave a memoir for Woods to read?
  She might be interested in the chapter: “My enquiry into fuel pricing and how I fixed the Oil Companies”
  
  Plenty of idealistic twats have cruised into government thinking they can control fuel pricing.
  Megan Woods is an “also ran”
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:56am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Did Cindy sell the different fish in the chippie for the same price? Was snapper sold at the same cost as the lemon fish? I demand a govt working party on the unfairness for those who prefer snapper to shark with their fish n chips.? ?
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:06am
    - Harkman
      
      Still no mention in the MSM about Ruth Dyson’s illegal activities.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:17am
      - sooty
        
        Now there’s something the msm could run with to create diversion on the rumors. By the way how much of his estate did Jim Anderton leave to rebuild the Cathedral.
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        harkmam, do tell us more?
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:58am
      - backster
        
        the Commissioner of Police will probably announce that she is not under investigation and no charges are pending.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gee stephieboy,
        you should try reading some of the stuff that gets posted on Kiwiblog.
        You might learn something.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/taxpayer_funded_campaigning_in_christchurch.html
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:39am
- artemisia
  
  KiwiFuel.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    They tried that years ago…one of BP’s NZ subsidiaries is a company called Europa, was a NZ owned company. According to Wikipedia, it imported petrol from the Soviet Union (May be Winnie the Poo is trying to relive history?)
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:13pm
    - Viking2
      
      Founded, I think, by the Todd family. Certainly owned them for a long time.
      
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      May 4, 2018 7:26pm
- Ross12
  
  She keeps referring to a report completed last year.
  She doesn’t acknowledge this was instigated by Judith Collins , for other reasons I think, but she is obviously twisting what is in it to justify her stupid comments.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:22am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103616366/south-auckland-shooting-due-to-gang-activity-slain-mans-brother-says

Apparently “gang activity gone wrong”.

So what does gang activity gone right look like?
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May 4, 2018 8:14am
- rangitoto
  
  Both victims dead?
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:17am
- insider
  
  Hang on his family says he was a kind family man. How can this be?
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:25am
- kowtow
  
  And the police response to gun crime by gangs?
  
  Shaft law abiding licensed owners.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:32am
  - sooty
    
    If the gun owners had no guns, there would be no guns to pinch. Hence no guns for the gangs. There fixed that, next problem please!
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:29am
    - cmm
      
      Sounds like a good way to cure the problem of stolen cars being used for various crimes.
      
      Ban cars!
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:58am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      A responsible gun owner keeps the guns safely locked away, don’t they?
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        “A responsible gun owner keeps the guns safely locked away, don’t they?” Yup.
        
        A responsible car owner also keeps their car safely locked up too. Anyone who lets their car get stolen should immediately lose their drivers license.
        
        Same for anyone with a hammer, plastic bag, rope, petrol, …
        
        I am a gun owner. I keep everything legally locked up. However anyone with an angle grinder or a pry bar could open my safe in less than a minute. Handy hint: anyone could find a suitable tool in my garage in less than a minute.
        
        They could also take my kitchen knives, tools,…
        
        We have to give up the broken idea that gun murders are caused by access to guns. The crims want the person dead. They might have a gun and use that. Without a gun they would use a knife, a baseball bat, electricity, a car, a plastic bag, fire or a king hit.
        
        The gun might be the chosen instrument on the day, but it does not cause the death.
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:49pm
    - kowtow
      
      This country is awash with drugs , illegally imported, you think the gangs don’t import guns illegally?
      
      Duck season is about to start . Hunting is a lawful activity . Should duck hunters use bows and arrows.
      
      Rabbits are out of control , should pest controllers use clubs to kill them.
      
      Three examples for starters.
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:06am
      - cmm
        
        If you could just get stoned smoking rabbit fur we might get somewhere.
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:50pm
    - Nev.
      
      Could you please next fix stupid comments like the one you just made?
      Nev.
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:16am
  - stephieboy
    
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    kowtow , police” shafting”?
    
    Examples?
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:59am
    - Swifty
      
      How do you get through life while being so stupid?
      
      Genuine question.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:56am
      - KiWombat
        
        show some compassion for the mentally ill !
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:20am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Examples?
      
      Greg Gribble, or is that too subtle for you?
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:09am
- wreck1080
  
  Like this…
  
  http://www.hiphoptitans.com/newvideo-rick-ross-rich-is-gangsta/
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:50am
Keeping Stock

“Angry” Andrew Little resurfaced last night on Twitter. He didn’t like DPF’s post analysing Labour’s IR policy, and made all sorts of accusations, culminating in this one:

Andrew Little
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@AndrewLittleMP
14h14 hours ago

I’m a politician. You’re claiming to be an independent commentator. You’re not. You’re a National Party hack who never discloses his interests ?

DPF, of course, had the perfect response:

David Farrar
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@dpfdpf
14h14 hours ago

More name calling plus inaccuracy. I have always disclosed my interests

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement

DPF’s Disclosure Statement is lengthy and comprehensive. His affiliation with the National Party is fully disclosed, but to be fair, anyone that didn’t know that DPF was involved with National must have come down in the last shower.

Little has done a reasonable job of keeping his Angry Andy persona hidden since Labour was annointed by Winston Peters, but the mask slipped last night. I suggested to Mr Little that an apology to DPF might have been in order, but he has not responded.

Maybe he’s too busy, along with Peters, of trying to convince the Greens to vote for the Waka Jumping Bill, after former Green co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons so openly told the Greens not to support the bill.
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May 4, 2018 8:16am
- Swifty
  
  What an arsehole.
  
  What is it with lefties and all their hate? Were they all bullied at school?
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:43am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Were they all bullies at school?
    Lunch pinchers the lot of them.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:00am
    - sooty
      
      No. Angry was the little class pimp who got beaten up.
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:32am
      - Nev.
        
        Must hurt to know even your own mother wouldn’t vote for you.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:14am
  - RF
    
    Little is your consummate tosser.
    
    Just a failure….
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:22pm
    - Paulus
      
      Little is still expected to be Labour next Leader again after the proposed update changes to the Labour Party Rules.
      They got conned after a small loophole in the last one which Clark and Robertson took advantage of.
      Will not happen again.
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:46pm
- peterwn
  
  It does not matter what the real situation is. He spouted something to stroke the sycophant supporters. He knows the ones whose hackles are raised are unlikely to vote Labour.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    Yes. He is a politician. By the skin of his teeth after all the vote counting a couple of weeks after election day. Angry are you going back to stand in New Plymouth, rather than the list seat again? Stuffed is still running the advert about the rise and fall of Angry a month later. Instructions from the union maybe?
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:42am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Would you take the attention as a compliment ?
  It means that you’re worth worrying about.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:03am
- peterwn
  
  The full tweet exchange between Andy and David is on Whaleoil. Quite hilarious.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:07am
- Ross12
  
  Good to hear that about Jeanette’s comment, KS.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:25am
brett68

The current story in the media about BP and the petrol market being “broken” is nothing more than a smoke screen to draw attention away from the Auckland fuel tax announcement.

There’s something really whiffy about this.

Practically the same day the Auckland tax is announced theses “leaked” emails appear and the government and media do a big coordinated pile in on BP.

Which makes you ask the question did the government leak these emails to the media and if that is indeed the case how did they get hold of it?
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May 4, 2018 8:19am
- rangitoto
  
  Misuse of the GCSB?
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:26am
  - brett68
    
    It’s quite concerning if that is indeed the case, but you have to wonder.
    
    This is a government who can get the police commissioner to front the media because of some internet trolling to help out the PM.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:35am
    - greybeard
      
      That police commissioner statement was to my mind the most important event in NZ this week. Seems to have now been forgotten. It sets a precedent and puts to bed the myth that the police force is politically neutral. What it did NOT do was to refute the actual “rumours”.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:05am
      - alwyn
        
        I am completely unable to find the statement from the Police Commissioner on line.
        Have you ever seen it, and if so how can I find it? I am beginning to wonder if the Government aren’t beginning to thinkit isn’r a great look to have the head of the Police Force jumping at their beck and call.
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:44am
      - RF
        
        In the states celebraties are quite often honary Sheriff Deputies and Police Officers. They are given a badge to flash around to make them feel important. Elvis Presley is a good example.
        
        Maybe our generous Police Commissioner has someone in mind.
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:52pm
      - Paulus
        
        Happened before when Commissioner of Police role was effectively under control of Helen Clark (read Heather Simpson).
        Clark never got her hands dirty remember or told a lie.
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:49pm
      - cha
        
        In the states celebraties are quite often honary Sheriff Deputies and Police Officers.
        
        Badge factories.
        
        Legislation enables off duty police to protect themselves so honourary plods are able to carry a concealed weapon in all 50 states.
        
        Lake Arthur Mayor Ysidro Salazar said he shut the town’s volunteer reserve-officer program last week and is asking current reserve officers to hand in their credentials, which allowed them to carry concealed weapons in every U.S. state. The mayor put William Norwood, who served as Lake Arthur’s volunteer police chief, on administrative leave. His status will be discussed at a town council meeting on Thursday, Salazar said. Norwood didn’t respond to requests for comment.
        
        The volunteer program was the subject of a March 28 article in Bloomberg Businessweek. At its peak, the department said, almost 150 volunteers were serving as reserve officers for a town of 433 residents. The reservists were scattered around the country. Their right to carry a concealed weapon in all 50 states is a perk available to law enforcement officers under a 2004 federal law. More recently, the department winnowed the program to 84 members.
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-10/tiny-town-shuts-police-program-that-gave-robert-mercer-a-badge
        
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        May 4, 2018 2:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s the statement P.C. Bush made to TV1
        While in general we do not respond to enquiries which seek to confirm if individuals are under police investigation, on this occasion we can say that Mr Gayford is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry, nor has he been charged in relation to any matter.”
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-commissioner-addresses-false-clarke-gayford-rumours-in-statement
        
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        May 4, 2018 4:31pm
    - RF
      
      He whose name can no longer be mentioned is looking really cocky lately now that he is protected by the cloak of sanctimony.
      
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      May 4, 2018 12:32pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    No, No, No!
    Nicky Hager would be telling us all if there was misuse of the GCSB.
    …
    Wouldn’t he?
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:38am
- Swifty
  
  Megan Woods thinks we’re stupid.
  
  She mistakes us for fools.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:47am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes, all the dumb asses who didn’t vote for national.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:50am
    - stephieboy
      
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      holysheet , you include those “dumbarses” who voted ACT?
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:31am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Dumbarse racist
        
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        May 4, 2018 9:56am
      - KiWombat
        
        If you had one more brain cell it would be lonely !
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty ,Well who would of thought !
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:29am
    - sooty
      
      That’s your trouble stephie, you don’t!
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:43am
    - Swifty
      
      Hey, weren’t you the guy who posted porn on Kiwiblog?
      
      Do the people at your church know you did that?
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:32am
- Lance
  
  Well as the drunken dwarf pointed out
  ‘who has most to gain from this?’
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:51am
- KevOB
  
  If the Govt fabricated the leaked emails to help their policy position that is evidence of criminality.
  The emails were used to bully BP and for a massive attack on a commercial enterprise. That is a species of criminal damage.
  
  This Govt has no mandate remaining. GO!
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    KevOB, I think the burden of proof lies with you. Flick the Commissioner of police with your latest Clinton body count type theory.
    
    Thicko!
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:34am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Racist
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con,
        
        Another happy stalking day to you!
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:02am
      - KiWombat
        
        You suffer from clue deficit disorder !
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:22am
    - KevOB
      
      An irritated govt activist–good.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:30am
    - KevOB
      
      Govt have no more right to bully anyone than individuals. They are expected to have higher standards of conduct.
      Threatening to enable a Dept to turn over a business because the Minister is unhappy is Mafioso–implicitly criminal. Power implies responsibility not the power to hammer.
      
      The govt can never have a mandate for unlawful, bad, reckless or incompetent conduct.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:40am
- MCos
  
  “Practically the same day the Auckland tax is announced theses “leaked” emails appear“
  Netanyahu has been using the same tactic on the US for years. Works every time.
  At least the BP email appears to be genuine.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:20am
- Piniwi
  
  But brett68 it just keeps getting better with the ACC online poll showing 73 % against with only 27 % in favour of the regional fuel tax as opposed to Goff saying the majority were in favour. Wonder is this will be a comparative ration who heard that H1 will be the face of the Americas cup challenge. Even Hager can’t write that well.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:48pm
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Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-4-may-2018/#comment-3098468

… EXPECT A NEW ZEALAND BANKING ROYAL COMMISSION TOO …

Kiwi banks must be transparent if they are to avoid Aussie parents’ trust issues … Patrick Smellie OPINION … Fairfax / Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/103566141/kiwi-banks-must-be-transparent-if-they-are-to-avoid-aussie-parents-trust-issues

… concluding …

… But they are no surprise in the New Zealand banking sector, which has been bracing for months for just such an outcome.

Why else would applicants for a government relations manager’s role with one of the big four banks have been told their primary task would be preparing for a banking inquiry?

Nor are the behaviours in question a surprise to senior New Zealand bankers.

In private, they are happy to complain about the pressure they say they regularly fend off from Sydney or Melbourne to pursue new business in ways that are too aggressive for the New Zealand market.

Self-preservation from the wrath of head office has prevented them saying any of that in public, but the pressure now may be such that they will have no choice.

The reality for banks operating in New Zealand has long been that while they may not be loved, they have never been held in the sort of entrenched low esteem that prevails in Australia.

However, unless New Zealand banking leaders are brave enough to transparently differentiate and prove that they are resisting the habits of their Australian owners, they risk the same dog-box status on this side of the Tasman too. … read more via hyperlink above …

Kiwi vs Kangaroo: Are New Zealand banks different to scandal-hit Australian banks? | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/103550881/kiwi-vs-kangaroo-are-new-zealand-banks-different-to-scandalhit-australian-banks

Union calls for Royal Commission into NZ banking practices | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1805/S00028/union-calls-for-royal-commission-into-nz-banking-practices.htm
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Have the Banks adequately advised their customer of the costs and risks of excessive debt ?
  
  Have the differences between true market value housing (at or below 3.0 times annual household income … refer Demographia Surveys Schedule … http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm ) and artificial political / planning values (above 3.0 times annual household incomes) been adequately explained ?
  
  What did the Australian and New Zealand Banks learn from the Irish 2007 housing bust … when the major metros overall went from 4.7 times household income to 2.8.
  
  Australia and New Zealand are currently around 5.8 and 5.9 times respectively.
  
  A New Type Of Poverty Is Crushing The Middle Class | Zero Hedge
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-30/new-type-poverty-crushing-middle-class
  
  … access extensive further information …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3092390
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:27am
  - Swifty
    
    I must play with my willie…..I must play with my willie…..I must play with my willie…..I must play with my willie…..I must play with my willie…..
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:46am
  - Nev.
    
    DING DING DING
    Pavletich’s Dog shits all over the thread again.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:10am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      Credit crunch: At auction “people just stood there looking about” – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall) …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/credit-crunch-at-auction-people-just-stood-there-looking-about/
      
      The AFR has gone full blown bear:
      
      …buyers without deposits of between 25 to 35 per cent are being squeezed out of the market by the tougher lending conditions, agents claim.
      
      …Borrowers with pre-arranged credit limits are also being reviewed by lenders before a deal is settled and lending limits being lowered, following tougher analysis of their debt levels and capacity to repay…Loan approvals for many lenders have blown out from days to weeks as lenders’ demand more information about borrowers’ income and spending, particularly their capacity to service the loan for the entire term.
      
      …David Morrell, a director of Melbourne buyers’ agency Morrell and Koren, said “The $3 million to $5 million market is getting belted,” Mr Morrell said. “At last weekend’s auctions everything was passed in…People just stood there looking about,” he said.
      
      Previously from UBS: … read more via hyperlink abpve …
      .
      .
      Property prices ‘belted’ as nervous banks slam on brakes for borrowers | afr.com
      … google search title if blocked …
      
      http://www.afr.com/personal-finance/property-prices-belted-as-nervous-banks-slam-on-brakes-for-borrowers-20180503-h0zksh
      
      Property prices in recently top performing inner suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney are being “belted” by up to 10 per cent as banks slam the brakes on lending in response to tougher regulatory scrutiny and the banking royal commission, according to real estate and buyers’ agents. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:20am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Nev, ping pong your latest take on Comet Ping Pong?
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:37am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Toronto ( 8.8 Median Multiple … refer Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com ) … 12 months ago … note (video) lead residential developers comments …
        
        Toronto Homeowners Are Suddenly in a Rush to Sell … Bloomberg
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/toronto-bidding-wars-turn-to-homebuyers-remorse-as-market-slows
        .
        .
        … and around the same time … former Conservative politician and ‘Greater Fool’ blogger Garth Turner wrote ‘MAYDAY’ …
        
        Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:58am
      - Swifty
        
        ‘Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets…..’
        
        That’s Hugh every day, and multiple times a day, as he logs on to Kiwiblog.
        
        A compulsive wanker.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:17am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Mortgages by Income Bands … Martin North DFA … YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gziVUxxY8QI
        
        Published on May 3, 2018
        
        We compare data from NAB’s recent results with information from our own household surveys. Something does not add up!
        
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        May 4, 2018 6:13pm
oldpark

Heres how they operate.Heard a couple of Labour Party bullies threatening fire and brimstone to some people for different reasons.
First it was the unfortunate hawk faced female from a legal firm,who has had a personality bypass, writing a bullying letter to anyone who said anything about a wee mammys boy called Clark. Appears the hawk face letter writer was told that the mammys boy Clark was complaining that people had been “mean to him”.
Then there was the other Peters selected person from the Labour Party who seemed to threaten BP .not sure if it was about the quality of pies or something else. Maybe it was the pies. After all she looks like she never missed a meal in her life.
. Perhaps it was the cost of petrol even though the same pie eaters, Peters selected Labour Party had just socked some NZs with a huge petrol cost gouge of at least 20cents a litre price increases on Tuesday.Just a couple of threats dished out this week from Labours hawk faces and teletubbies.
Watch this space seems there is much much more jackboot bullying to come from the “Coalition of Corruption and Chaos”.
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May 4, 2018 8:23am
- realityczech
  
  Meanwhile the smug poser Gayford can say what ever he likes about everyone else and spread fake news… knowing that he has high priced lawyers, the prime minister and a corrupt policeman on his side.
  
  This is a new low for NZ
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:30am
  - backster
    
    I don’t know what the rumours about him were and neither do the many people I have spoken to.. I do know the Labour Camp Sex Groper has had his identity kept secret and the Police appear to be inactive on this, the Commissioner not having made any statement. Where suppression reigns, rumour and gossip will arise.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:52am
- tf78
  
  Koalition of Korruption and Khaos.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:35am
oldpark

Now that we are on about Oil companies. How about our head in the sand Commerce Commission and our so called Consumers Council taking a look at the usurious blatant money grab by Banks and Airlines and Travel Companies and Phone Companies.
Couple cases in Point. Banks with their massive credit card interest rates of 20% plus even though they have five star security by most borrowers.
Then there is the Airline and travel companies gouging users when they book a trip. The crime of the booker is not to have an internet bank account. Evidence seems to show that there is a conspiracy between Airlines,Travel Companies and Banks. Surely not in our fair law abiding country of NZ.
Next it is the Phone companies with Spark the biggest offenders.They gouge their customers with a $2.50 Paper charge account on their bill.
All because not everyone has an internet bank account. What a bloody scam by many of our Phone Companies.
Think it is time that the Commerce Commission and Consumers Council mouth pieces got off their big fat arses and just for once earn their keep,with the massive salaries they get for just paying lip service to the mentioned NZs money scammers and grabbers.
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May 4, 2018 8:39am
- insider
  
  Not only that, these hotels and airlines manipulate the market by putting up their prices in busy times and lower them in quiet times.
  
  Plus in some areas flights and hotels are more expensive than in other areas. It’s a bloody outrage. The market is clearly broken.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Milk was another one.
    
    Campbell went on a one man crusade over the high price of milk here.
    
    Initially the excuse was “international prices dictate” and other bollox , in the end it was oligopoly control of price.
    
    That’s fine , it’s how the market works . But it’s the lies that annoy.
    
    Distance from suppliers is another blatant bollox lie.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:07am
- stephieboy
  
  oldpark, a little bit lefty there, eh?
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:38am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Evidence with references please Galah
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:05am
holysheet

Ruby lips on AM show this morning says she earns good money, no debt, but she cannot afford to buy a house.
FFS, lower your expectations and buy somewhere less expensive. Not many can afford to buy their first home in Parnell or Epsom.
Your feeelz are taking place of your lack of common sense.
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May 4, 2018 8:41am
- Huevon
  
  Auckland is full of women like her HS. She’s preaching to the choir.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:48am
- Lance
  
  Things are so bad she might have to look for a house outside of Grey Lynn……
  Oh the humanity
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    I would hope she put a price in on Pennys house. That will go cheap.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:49am
- kowtow
  
  A big part of the problem is New Zealanders are competing with a tsunami of hot Chinese money in the real estate stakes .
  
  Shhhhhhh , that’s racist.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:08am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “tsunami”?
    (I call cultural appropriation. See your indignation and raise you 2 points.)
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Watch it!
      Or we’ll claim ポテトフライback.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:08am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        You bring up a very good example of wa-sei eigo or Japanese that appears to be transliterated from English but is actually a Japanese invention.
        ポテトフライ* would be a transliteration of “potato fry” (fried potatoes). To the Englishman, this would be boiled potatoes that are slices and then fried in a pan.
        ポテトフライ actually means “French fries” (as the Americans understand them to be). To New Zealanders, ポテトフライ are the shoe-string chips that Macdonalds serves.
        
        * Katakana script
        ポ = po
        テ = te
        ト = to
        フ = fu
        ラ = ra
        イ = i
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:13am
      - insider
        
        No on likes a smart arse sensei ?
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:39pm
    - kowtow
      
      A pair of atom bombs beats that.
      
      And while a pair of bombs isn’t a royal flush , it’s a hell of a flash and a bang.
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:16am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Awww, kowtow.
        
        Now you’ve gone and spoiled it.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:37am
      - Kimbo
        
        Why don’t you just get to the point and ask Odakyu-sen where he was on the morning of Sunday, December 7, 1941?! ???
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:42am
  - backster
    
    Kowtow No its not Twitford keeps repeating it and Devoid says nothing.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet , so Auckland needs to be ghettoised exclsuively for the” filthy” rich like you?
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:40am
  - lilman
    
    You just want a huge section Steph so you can run a few sheep.
    Good for the soul and the loins.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:51am
    - VicParking
      
      Sheep!!! Stephie, Afternoon by the way, is a goat man ????
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:23pm
  - pentwig
    
    stephie
    have a stupidboy award for uncontrolled envy:
    
    DUH
    and another
    LOL
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:54am
  - Komata
    
    stephie
    
    Nah, your lot have already done that in Mt Roskill (aka ‘little Mogidishu’).
    
    I notice though, that, despite your rampant advocacy of all things islamic and of Mt. Roskill’s joys as being a ‘multi-ethnic/ cultural community’ you haven’t moved there yet.
    
    Why? don’t like the company or would YOU have to move out of your ‘Filthy Rich’ ghetto (Kingsland or Meadowbank wasn’t it?) and you aren’t prepared to make the sacrifice?
    
    Actions and words come to mind (assuming you even understand the connection).
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:09am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes you are on to it. Us rich pricks have to keep you lowlife scum in the ghetto where you belong. Mt Roskill is your ideal ghetto, is it not? And it’s just down the road from the weird church you belong to.
    Hows the house in Mt Eden? That’s not exactly ghetto country.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:55am
  - Harkman
    
    Remember ‘Win friends and influence people.’
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:25pm
- oldgolfer
  
  A nice little doer-upper in Huntly would suit her; just down the motorway.
  She could polish her prejudice on the way in.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:55am
DifferentPerspective

Communists will be sending tanks into Hungary again

With the news that the EU is starting to form it’s own army, one can only feel sorry for Hungary as the prospect of the communists sending the tanks in again to quell democracy once again

Of course, this time it’ll be because Hungary won’t open their borders to the hordes of muslim barbarians that the Germans seem intent on unleashing on the docile European population.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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May 4, 2018 8:45am
- realityczech
  
  Hungary has had a terrible time of it. Taken over by German socialists twice and by Russian socialists in between.
  
  This time to enforce the colonisation and cultural genocide of indigenous/ first nation/ ethnic /tangata whenua Europeans in their sacred homelands.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:57am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And being persistently hammered by the Ottoman’s slave armies (Janassaries) for centuries before then.
    Made them tough. And they also seem to have an incredible talent for maths and science (when you look at 20th Century Math and Physics, Hungary is source for a lot of the best)
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Yes the Germans have lost their touch.
  
  ‘Four officers arrived at a migrant reception center in the town to collect the 23-year-old Togolese man, officials said.
  
  The refugee group then started attacking the patrol vehicles, and harassed and punched the officers, before giving them an ultimatum to free the man.
  
  “They were very aggressive and ordered us to leave the man (…) behind,” said one officer who was involved in the fracas.’
  
  http://www.dw.com/en/scores-of-refugees-attack-german-police-cars-over-deportation-case/a-43631175
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:10am
  - lilman
    
    Germans have become pussies.
    
    The things you see when you dont have a gun.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:53am
    - Nermal
      
      Reminds me of the Biggles series by W.E.Johns, where he opines in a most un-PC like manner: “The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet”
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:41am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Time for the Germans to rediscover their inner Goth.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:55am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Maybe some Germans fear the revival of the kind of emotion generated by this fantasy clip from the Wolfenstein video game (banned in Germany but popular in the States).
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm8KpltgMFM&t=55s
      
      When you view the clip, look beneath the surface detail and sense what is underneath. Scary stuff. No wonder the Germans want to suppress it.
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:03pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    How could the German police be so inept as to allow the rabble to find out about their operation to extract the man? It seems a little orchestrated.
    I suspect the police allowed this to happen, for political reasons.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:59am
- stephieboy
  
  DP, with an iron curtain all around the EC?
  
  https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/churchill-delivers-iron-curtain-speech
  
  A return to the battle lines of the cold war?
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:42am
Humble Capitalist

The government think theres dodgy stuff going on with fuel prices. Nothing as dodgy as half of the price being tax. Bloody hypocrites!
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May 4, 2018 8:45am
- Harkman
  
  Don’t worry Humble oil spikes got rid of Fraser, Rowling and Helun. It’s their Kryptonite.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:57am
Harkman

If National was in power and they put this shit in Chch water the Greens would screaming “National poisoned the water, National poison the water.” The water stinks, literally stinks, it is utterly disgusting. It is worse than pool water. After a mouthful you feel like throwing up 15 minutes later.
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May 4, 2018 9:02am
- Tricati
  
  So true – I was thinking of sending the $300 bill I have for fitting a filter to get rid of the crap to David Parker as it seems he is driving this nonsense.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:22am
realityczech

The sleazy underworld of Auckland celebrities, and high profile people, is increasingly fueled by cocaine

This is not a drug for the ordinary bloke. It is for the privileged few with connections in high places. This makes it very hard to address this epidemic as they will use their connections and money to avoid being held accountable.

The police sometimes target dealers but prosecutions against the moneyed users who drive the market and associated gang crime, are almost unheard of.
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May 4, 2018 9:10am
- Nev.
  
  Apparently it’s well used by those in the media and entertainment circles. Like TV show hosts, glitterati, and reporters.
  Police turn a blind eye to it while choking down on the poor who smoke the occasional joint.
  Even though it’s well known, its all just rumour and hearsay.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:18am
  - realityczech
    
    What these criminals do is invite people in power to their fancy parties and entice them to try a bit.
    
    Once that is done they know they are safe from prosecution or discovery as they can blow the whistle on them and destroy their career and privilege if they dare speak out.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:32am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Do we care that much though? If these glitterati are rich, well-connected adults, presumably they can get all the help they need to break a cocaine habit.
      
      I certainly think the Police might have other priorities to protect the general public.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:52am
      - Nev.
        
        Such as protecting the general public from rumours, or painting police cars in gay colours?
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:09am
      - realityczech
        
        I don’t care about the cocaine use. I care about corruption, crime and cronyism that results from it.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:12am
      - kowtow
        
        What like pinging people doing 1 k over the limit?
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:19am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Agreed, Nev: the Police seem to have totally lost their focus.
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:01pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah, I know a TV reporter who has a real problem with cocaine, it’s everywhere in that world.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:14pm
Harkman

Bryce Edwards and the cartoonist in the Press on 11 April (recycling bin night last night) were making out Labour is fiscally conservative. Are these people deranged? Just yesterday they promised midwives a pay rise. They are spending money hand over fist in Healthcare, not on new drugs or equipment just wages. Healthcare workers have negative productivity in NZ, say they spend $10b on health, you’ll only get $9 billion in GDP etc.
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May 4, 2018 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman, health care workers negative productivity?
  
  Sheer Idiocy!
  
  Including those ( practically all ) involved in getting workers back to good health and work?
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:47am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Stephie puts it in his usual charmless way, but it’s a fair question. What is the source/basis/evidence for your assertion that healthcare workers have negative productivity in NZ?
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:56pm
  - Harkman
    
    It was in a paper commissioned about a decade ago. I think mining, farming (dairy), it/film, and one of the fruits were the most productive. While health and education were less than zero.
    
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    May 4, 2018 8:26pm
Nev.

Quite surprising (or perhaps not), the amount of people calling for boycott of BP over a quite standard business practise. Obviously too thick to realise if you destroy one half of a duopoly you get a GASP! monopoly.
Anyone who has ever played monopoly knows that in the end, one person wins and everyone else is bankrupt. Lets do this!
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May 4, 2018 9:15am
Anne Glen Eden

Matthew Hooton’s efforts re Gayford may have some effect but I think he’s whistling in the wind.

Gossips are persistent – always have been. That’s why a lot of us were taught at Primary School about Chinese whispers. There are a lot of malicious human beings out there for a wide variety of reasons. But one of his statements is ludicrous:

“When you hear a rumour about a political figure, especially if it comes from several sources over many months and in slightly different forms, ask yourself: could it really be true the rumour is reaching you so often yet is unknown to the Herald? Could it be true the Herald failed to investigate it? And if the investigation proved it true, is it plausible the Herald wouldn’t run it straight away to scoop the competition?”

Oh yes. The MSM have been shown, and continue to be shown to be, outright liars and/or telling ‘convenient (mis)truths’ or parts of truths – whenever and however it suits their particular political purposes and/or social agenda. They’re also subject to political pressure, just like Bush appears to have been. There are probably millions of examples, large and small, but I can think of one major one over the years.

What is the ‘truth’ of Helen Clarke’s ‘gender’ (self and/or public) and how bona fide is her ‘heterosexual marriage’ (in other than a legal sense)? What has been the truth over her many years in politics? Rhetorical questions. I don’t really want to know the answer to that. But to suggest that the MSM have presented the ‘truth’ to the public about it at any point is ludicrous.

There are people who believe in conspiracies because there are, at times, conspiracies. There are even more examples of misdirection, unequal emphasis, excerpted facts, and one-sided versions. And the thing is, it can work so well that other people find it a really good strategy to employ – they follow the example – just as the MSM and lobby groups use strategies they’ve learned from others to achieve their desired ends – often some of the worst monsters in history. That’s why it will go on.

The only way to stop or prevent it is to stand up with some integrity and speak your truth – like Israel Folau – and look what’s happening to him. There’s always someone ready to attack. It’s easy to end up like Charlotte Dawson.

“Gayford is a victim of an ancient and natural phenomenon but one social media makes more severe. Bush’s intervention was the only realistic option to give Gayford some redress. It was unfortunate Ardern initially chose not to play with a similarly straight bat but to imply the ludicrous talk about Gayford was itself the result of a dark plot.”

Exactly. Ardern is as bad as everyone else. Neither is she realistic or honest about it.

I said once, a few elections ago, any woman (man) who did not acknowledge John Key as a role model they would prefer to marry, or have their daughter (son) marry, is not worthy of the ‘title’. The same applies to Bill English. I meant it and I’m not personally attracted to either of them. It’s about a man who is a loyal, faithful, supportive, protective husband and father who is also a reliable and good provider – who takes commitment and hard work to achieve that very seriously and lives it every day of his life, with a good dose of humility in that role.

The reality is that Gayford and Ardern are claiming the same status for him (and her, come to that) without any substance to back it up (beyond the MSM pushing the message) – and it will be a long time before any such substance would be apparent. They may be ‘middle aged’ but they’re only at the beginning of any real experience of life with very fragmented ‘commitment’. That’s why I agreed readily with Deborah Hill Cone and don’t think she was being ‘nasty’ at all – perhaps trying to capture what the difference is.

The reality is, it’s all PR spin – and spin he seems to ‘lap up’. Not that you can blame him. But it’s false – and that’s not any ‘tall poppy’ syndrome. He, and Ardern, would be better off to acknowledge and accept it with some humility than to be standing on any non-existent dignity or that which derives from the efforts of others. Their ‘dignity’ is, itself, their own deliberate use of a type of misinformation. They’re also pushing the demand that you acknowledge and respect someone only for their image, power, or position, not for any actions, ethics or integrity. Most people have to give in to that to some extent to survive, but few really like or respect it, and a lot actively resent it.

This juvenile kerfuffle could have been an opportunity to actually learn something constructive about our selves and society – including Gayford and Ardern. Instead, it’s just the usual PR MSM circus and a cynical and malevolent ‘power-play’ from Ardern to her opposition. Of course it will go on because ‘image’ is all she’s/they’ve got and they vehemently do not want to acknowledge it.
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May 4, 2018 9:16am
- Longknives
  
  What Ardern fails to acknowledge with her ‘Dirty Politics’ call is that Gayford actively ‘fame whored’ and sought notoriety for years (Reality TV shows, Interviews where he bragged about his Sexual conquests etc etc)
  He brought a whole heap of this shitstorm on himself. Don’t believe me? Just Google him.
  The man spent years actively portraying himself as a ‘Bad Boy’-It’s a bit rich to have a big sooky cry about some silly rumours now…
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:25am
  - Longknives
    
    And as for Ardern snapping that she ‘Doesn’t get involved in Dirty Politics’
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/kill-the-pm-song-under-investigation-2014082619
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11370079
    
    Worth remembering who this ‘Rapper’ Tom Scott’s (‘I want to rape John Key’s daughter’ etc etc) most High Profile supporter was…
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:31am
    - alwyn
      
      Do you have any evidence aabout this “High Profile supporter”?
      If you mean Ardern then say Ardern. And provide something that shows she really was a great fan, preferably dating from after he produced that disgusting song.
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:54am
      - Longknives
        
        I think tweeting “I love Homebrew” when this scandal hit kind of speaks for itself doesn’t it Alwyn??
        
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/11/please-explain-jacinda-clare/
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/ardern_on_homebrew.html
        
        I also recall an interview where she said Tom Scott was a personal friend of hers. (Will try and dig it out for you)
        No need to apologise Alwyn…
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:04am
      - alwyn
        
        @Longknives.
        Thank you. It isn’t the same singer or the same song but it is extremely sick.
        It is also a song about John Key rather than his kids but even so, anyone who approves of that crap is pretty disgusting.
        
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        May 4, 2018 12:40pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Alwyn; the band Homebrew which produced the Kill the PM song was a creation of Tom Scott.
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Tom Scott’s later comment about wanting to rape Max Key — as broadcast on Radio NZ (Nat Radio) was featured here on Kiwiblog.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/12/hes_at_it_again.html
        
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        May 4, 2018 2:55pm
      - alwyn
        
        To the various replers.
        Thank you. I had never heard of any of the people or the bands and didn’t realise they were connected.
        I don’t know whether that ignorance simply reflects my age or my good taste. Having seen the words of both songs I like to think it is the latter. God they are awful. Arden has no taste at all.
        
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        May 4, 2018 5:36pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Anne of Glen Eden, waffle, waffle! The good old malicious gossip has got to be good for the kids and adults like you?
  
  BTW, do you hope and trust that NZ will in terms of morals and other mores turn the clock back to the 1950s. Or one step further the Victorian era?
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:53am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Or the Ten Commandments, Galah?
    I thought you might have recognised those as a roadmap for morals and mores.
    Go back to your goat-buggering and leave us alone.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Sheesh; you’re a fine one to criticise “malicious gossip” Stephie; just sayin’…
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      KS , and you?
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Racist POS
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:38am
  - KevOB
    
    The 50’s were great. That’s when we routed the wharfies too.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      KevOB, are you that ancient?
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:57am
      - KiWombat
        
        If I throw a stick – will you go away ?
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:41am
      - Garbageman
        
        Whats your point dropkick dont you know with age comes wisdom (allegedly) maybe you should try what i as one of the younger people that inhabit KB mostly does and that is to shut it read and actually try to learn something but instead you prove daily by the hour what an easily triggered little panty waist you are, and having a crack at KS LOL DUH (as you say) he has probably forgotten more about politics just today than you will learn in a life time thats if you were capable of learning unfortunately for us your posts prove otherwise.
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:35pm
      - KevOB
        
        My youngest child is 11.
        
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        May 4, 2018 5:01pm
    - cha
      
      routed the wharfies too
      
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      Nah, you’re dreaming.
      
      The best that can be said is Holland won the battle, but the $57K that my dumb as a post wharfie FIL earned in 1985 says the war was lost.
      
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      May 4, 2018 5:42pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Some things are completely ageless, stephieboy.
    
    One major one, which has been almost completely lost in the Left/liberal tyranny, is that people bring honour to positions – or not. Positions do not successfully bring honour to people.
    
    The character of a PM brings honour to PMship, not the other way round. When the character of a PM does not bring honour to the PMship, it is brought into derision and contempt.
    
    The Queen brings honour to the monarchy, not the other way round. If/when Charles/Camilla enter the role, the monarchy will be hugely diminished – unless or until William/Catherine take over.
    
    Knighthoods are brought honour by their recipients. Handing out honours to those not publicly acknowledged to deserve them simply destroys respect for the honours system.
    
    The honourable character of people brings honour to the House of Lords, not the opposite. Which is why the current lack of honour by the Lords is bringing the House into disrepute and may destroy it.
    
    Jesus Christ brings honour to being a Christian – because of his character/actions. Being a Christian does not necessarily bring honour to Christ or to the Christian Church – and when those Christians fail, attacks Christ and the institution.
    
    The All Blacks management have had that down to a fine art. The honour of being an All Black derives from the excellence of previous and current players. No lesser player derives honour from being an All Black – or not for very long because it would destroy the value of being an All Black.
    
    That is precisely the problem in the last few decades – like Obama being given a Nobel Peace Prize before having done anything.
    
    The Left/liberal hand out ‘honours’ demanding that the public value and respect the recipients – when there’s nothing to respect them for. It may have temporary, limited success – but it is limited, and temporary, and ultimately just destroys the value of or belief in the ‘honour’.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:17am
    - pentwig
      
      Anne
      Good grief, stupidboy would not be able to comprehend any of that.
      You have to remember that to communicate with stupidboy there are rules:
      1 No words of more than four letters
      2 No sentences of more than six words
      3 Absolutely no punctuation
      4 Try not to mention goats as he gets easily distracted and ends up with sore hands.
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:04pm
Keeping Stock

Things are looking grim for the Waka-Jumping Bill when even Barry Soper opposes it. That will earn him a telling-off from Winston Peters next time the two meet.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12044539&ref=twitter

Interestingly though, Soper reveals that even the Clerk of the House, David Wilson, made a submission opposing the Bill on the basis that it is in breach of the Bill of Rights!

The fate of this Bill sits with the Green Party. Will they have the guts to stand up and do the right thing, as recommended by former Green Party co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons? She has said this:

Fitzsimons started her submission by noting she had voted against similar bills four times before.

“Integrity cannot be legislated for. It is a matter of conscience and judgment,” Fitzsimons said.

“This bill offends the freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of association.”

She said parties were only important as bureaucratic structures giving effect to “coherent political philosophies”.

“A party is not what matters. What a party stands for is what matters,” Fitzsimons said.

“If my party started voting for the death penalty or the invasion of foreign countries or a massive increase in the use of fossil fuels, I’d leave it, might even start a new party.”

She said proportionality was distorted all the time without Parliament intervening.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103591593/jeanette-fitzsimons-says-greens-could-reject-waka-jumping-bill–and-it-wont-bring-down-the-government

The Greens need to man/woman up, and do the right thing. If they vote against the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, or even if they abstain, it will fail. We’re watching you James, Marama, Julie Anne, Eugenie, Jan, Gareth, Golriz and Chloe.
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- peterwn
  
  There will be some tradeoff, perhaps an extra artificial portfolio for one of the Greens. Will not go as far as the Kermedecs though.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:26am
  - rangitoto
    
    They have already been given the trade off. The shutting down of oil/gas exploration.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:15am
    - kowtow
      
      Yes , that’s how politics work. A very dirty and unprincipled business.
      
      The feminist radical wing of Labour swallowed Rogernomics because that wing of Labour gave them the US ship ban.
      
      National cuzzied up with the Murri Party to stay in power for their last cycle in office.
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:24am
    - alloytoo
      
      Indeed the Greens have been bought off with Taranaki’s pieces of silver
      
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      May 4, 2018 12:18pm
- Poppa
  
  But you are calling for the Greens to have principles KS. That is not what they are about
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:57am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I live in hope.
    
    Still, if the DO support the Waka-Jumping Bill, it will be fun watching them try to defend the indefensible, whilst ostracising thousands of Green Party rank and file.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:35am
Nev.

TGIF.
May the 4th be with you. I watched the original Star Wars Episode IV at the Woburn movie theatre, a long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far away it seems. Have a great day all!
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May 4, 2018 9:33am
realityczech

I always knew things would get very dark and ominous with a socialist authoritarian running the country. However I am concerned that her attacks on the people and their freedoms have begun escalating so rabidly.

I thought this would only happen near the end of her term when she was more widely loathed and the facade had crumbled away.

But here we are after a few months living in a country where even speaking of the dear-leaders family can land you in court, with our top policeman coming out and making political statements to support the dear-leader and her cronies. The media is gagged and can only report favourably on the dear-leaders glorious entourage.

People need to wake up and see this evil bag of bones for what she is.
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May 4, 2018 9:58am
- brett68
  
  She makes me think of Mom from from Futurama.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:07am
  - realityczech
    
    She reminds me of someone too
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:16am
    - brett68
      
      Sorry, are we discussing Helen Clark?
      
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      May 4, 2018 10:19am
      - realityczech
        
        No her apprentice.
        
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        May 4, 2018 10:27am
- stephieboy
  
  rc, I suggest another visit to your Doctor ASAP
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:56am
  - KiWombat
    
    I’ll just get some cheese and crackers to go with your whine !
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:43am
Biscuit

You could imagine the disappointment in Madrid yesterday as mighty Liverpool made their way into the Champions League Final – where they will come up against some home-town hero team named Real.

It’s not all bleak for Madrid, though.

Their other team, Atletico, have qualified for the secondary-in-importance Europa Cup Final (against Marseille) and thus there may be some good news to come out of it all for the Madridders, eh?
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May 4, 2018 10:09am
rangitoto

I hear the Twyford is “fixing” the housing shortage by hiring spin doctors. May be used for mixing concrete?
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May 4, 2018 10:18am
Kimbo

So Likud’s embedded New Zealand reporter acknowledges there is a name-association between him and the phrase “Dirty Politics” …and in doing so finds a way to portray himself as a political player by shamelessly shoe-horning himself into a story for gratuitous PR, as well as plant the idea that the spreading of the Clarke Gayford rumours was a Labour Party false flag op from the beginning:

Radio LIVE asked me to go on air with Sainso yesterday to answer allegations made about me by inference from the NZ Herald, Nicky Hager and directly on at least two blogs:

Controversial right-wing blogger Cameron Slater “categorically refutes” having anything to do with the allegations swirling around Clarke Gayford.

…RadioLIVE’s Mark Sainsbury says Mr Slater’s name has been linked to this.

Appearing on his show on Thursday, Mr Slater says he had nothing to do with the “scurrilous rumours” being spread, arguing he’s “no friend of the National Party“, and “it’ll be a cold day in hell before I do anything to help them“. He blames “Labour Party people” for the allegations going viral.

“They’re trying desperately to try and hang this on me, but I had nothing to do with it,” he says.

“In fact, quite the contrary. People who are associated with me had notified Jacinda personally on February 12 of the seriousness of these allegations. So the Prime Minister has known about them since February.”

Ms Ardern says she “won’t comment on dirty politics” and would “smile through” the smear attempt. But Mr Slater accuses her of “using a despicable term” coined by a “fiction-writer”

…there was a concerted media and Labour party action to set people up..

“This is a response finally from the Prime Minister’s department, from the Labour Party, but unfortunately they decided to try and make it into a shabby hit-job,” he says.

“I categorically refute that I was involved in any way in spreading these scurrilous rumours.”

Remind me again who was continually insinuating Bill English, Paula Bennett and Steven Joyce were behind the release of Winston Peters’s Super over-payment details…and it was just a matter of time before he (Whale Oil) exposed them?! Whatever happened to the proof for that allegation…other than it helped propel NZ First above 7% at the General Election?
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May 4, 2018 10:20am
- Kimbo
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/05/my-response-to-thinly-veiled-accusations-against-me/
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:26am
- Kimbo
  
  Oh, look. Pravda have published the guidelines for “discussion” of the story 😉 :
  
  Nige. mod • 34 minutes ago Featured by Whale Oil Beef Hooked | Whaleoil Media
  [MOD] Basic rule of thumb.
  
  1. Dont say what the rumours are.
  
  2. Don’t indicate where people can go to see rumours.
  
  3. Don’t say anything derogatory or defamatory.
  
  This article is about Cams response to the accusation that whaleoil is involved in the spread of rumours.
  
  Dont lose sight of the topic. Comments may be removed for no apparent reason.
  
  Yeah, coz “Don’t say anything derogatory” is the rule of thumb on Whale Oil! 😉
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:30am
  - lifesgood
    
    LOL…I’m bent double. He was darkly claiming there was shit ready to hit the fan and he didn’t mean the denials….lol, lol.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:33am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Kimbo, (sigh) You just don’t understand the difference between the “ Don’t say anything derogatory” rule that applies to you, and the “calling it like it is” hero status that applies to Slater.
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:47am
    - Kimbo
      
      Like this? 😉
      
      David Farrar beats up spastic kid in online spat
      
      …Andrew Little goes full retard, doubling down on his attack against Farrar saying, “Anything you do politically is tainted. It’s called conflict of interest. Professional people understand this.”
      
      …Back in the Clark days we nicknamed Labour the ‘Nasty party’. It seems they are back and Andrew Little is showing all the aspects of that era, along with his union strongman act and propensity to fly off the handle with comments that are just plain wrong. You’d think that he would have learned from having two defamation cases brought against him whilst an MP: one from Judith Collins and one from the Hagamans.
      
      David Farrar was a bit mean though, picking on a spastic kid like that…
      
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/05/david-farrar-beats-up-spastic-kid-in-online-spat/
      
      Good to see Cam calling people out for being “nasty”. 😉
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:04am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Kimbo, seeing how Cam Slater owns and runs his blog, I’d say that he can do, write or say what he wants. It doesn’t matter that he can be nasty, hypocritical or whatever. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:35pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Didn’t say I didn’t like it. The fact I posted about it is because I find it (unintentionally) amusing.
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:46pm
- MCos
  
  The term ‘dirty politics’ was in use a long time before Hager’s book was published.
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:35am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, but from the way Whale Oil is complaining, you’d think they had it trade marked. 😉
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:39am
  - Kimbo
    
    And it seems that Mrs Whale Oil has been publicly asserting Whale Oil’s association with the “Dirty Politics” trademark beyond the domain of their website! Even if the “beige badger” reckons otherwise 😉 :
    
    But having mentioned ‘dirty politics’ this precipitated online accusations from many, including people with close associations with Labour and the Greens, suggesting that ‘dirty politics’ means that National must have been involved – more ‘rumours’ without and evidence. I have also seen some claims that Labour had a plan to link the Gayford rumours to ‘dirty politics’=National, but again, no evidence of this.
    
    Winston Peters deserves a special mention. He has made insinuations without any evidence – as I think is is a common tactic from him. I think this is deplorable dirty opportunism. If he has evidence he should front up (he often doesn’t), otherwise he should act like a deputy prime minister, not a smarmy smearer.
    
    I have seen no indication or evidence that the National Party played any part in starting or spreading the rumours (and I would be very surprised and shocked if they were). Some people linked to National did mention the rumours, but I think that was likely to be because they believed the rumours may be at least partly true so should be publicised rather than being a deliberate campaign to smear…
    
    spanishbride / May 3, 2018
    
    Yet that is exactly what your post is attempting to do, ie spread the rumour that a hinted at party is behind the rumours and you are attempting to smearing them in a weasely manner with innuendo without any evidence! You really take the cake Pete.
    
    Pete George / May 3, 2018
    
    You’re making some curious (and inaccurate) assertions here. Your overreaction seems a tad touchy.
    
    You throwing around accusations of attempted smearing is what really takes the cake SB.
    
    https://yournz.org/2018/05/03/gayford-fake-smears-exposed/
    
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    May 4, 2018 10:46am
  - alloytoo
    
    Unfortunately Hagar lacks the self awareness to understand the irony of his usage.
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:21pm
- Kimbo
  
  And Mrs Whale Oil weighs in:
  
  spanishbride
  
  There have always been rumours about politicians. What astounds me is that both old and new media were sent threatening letters telling them not to publish the rumours. The thing is, no media old or new has published anything about them for the simple reason that they could not prove that the rumours were true.
  
  Now that the police have taken the extraordinary step of getting involved in something that should have been ignored they still have have zero hard evidence. It is an extremely heavy handed way to handle the situation and has made people who were unaware of the rumours curious about them.
  
  It is Chinese whispers on social media and I am gob smacked that certain people have tried to turn gossip and innuendo on social media into a planned conspiracy.
  
  Remind me again of Whale Oil’s response to Winston Peters actual (not just threatened!) legal action against those who allegedly leaked the details of his Super over-payment…for which we have never, despite Whale Oil’s assurances it existed, ever seen any…proof?!
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:36am
- thedavincimode
  
  Chortle chortle. These rumours actually started in the liebour party and were not ever politically motivated. Their origins were more the case of the inner socialist clique looking down their noses at cindy’s bit of rough. Suggesting that clarkey isn’t that highly regarded within the chardonyeh circles is something of an understatement. Never having been a unionist or a teacher, no degree in Pol Science or ‘Communications’ – just not one of the gang really. It’s somewhat ironic that they regard him as a bit thick but there ya go.
  
  Inevitably they spilled out into the beltway and public service and thence …
  
  However, liebour’s agents now find it convenient to pin it all on the Nats. Makes it easier to look porcelain chops in the eye I suppose.
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:05pm
  - realityczech
    
    thedavincimode, shit I never thought of that. That would explain everything. The Greens would not like him much either, especially killing those wee fishies.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:21pm
- rockape
  
  Whaleoil was being paid to help NZ Firsts campaign and damage National.
  
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  May 4, 2018 11:09pm
Nev.

Have you ever stayed at a motel where the Government drops the dregs of society that have blown all their social largesse?
It’s a fucking nightmare and feels completely unsafe for your family.
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May 4, 2018 10:25am
- lilman
  
  Have cousin who owns Motel,he keeps 2 rooms available for Winz agreed contract.
  The shit he has seen would not be believed.
  
  Drugs,gangs,late night visitors,prostitutes,taxis all night.
  
  He just told me as I type this, as I wanted to get it from the horses mouth,that he wont be accepting any referals after the 20th of May.
  He is just sick of the shit people who he says expect everything,do nothing,are filth and feral.
  
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  May 4, 2018 11:04am
  - Nev.
    
    Mikewasmild’s favourite hangout The Bellevue in Lower Hutt appears to have a full time contract on all its rooms with WINZ. The place is a criminal shithole out back.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:25am
- Rich Prick
  
  As a public service, WINZ ought to publish a list of motels it contracts with so that the rest of us can avoid them. Also, a handy hint, never stay at any motel near a High Court during a murder trial. I did once, let’s just say it was educational.
  
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  May 4, 2018 11:25am
realityczech

Anyone with a couple of hours to spare might want to read whales comment manifesto.

I think he has pinched this from Labour or the Soviets.
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May 4, 2018 10:48am
- MCos
  
  Does Slater pay you?
  
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  May 4, 2018 10:53am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I totally gave up on that site after a couple of my perfectly polite, on-topic and harmless comments were removed for no reason. Why waste my time on those poseurs?
  
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  May 4, 2018 11:07am
  - realityczech
    
    Classic, I am pretty sure if you took a few hours to study his comment manifesto you could find at least a couple of reasons why your comments were purged.
    
    It clearly demonstrates what a raving narcissistic sleaze he really is. Maybe in his delusional bubble world he hallucinates that he has a reputation to protect?
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:16am
    - Nev.
      
      To be fair cheating on his wife wasn’t a criminal offense, but it turns out breaking into Labours database was.
      How sad.
      Nev.
      
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      May 4, 2018 11:23am
      - rangitoto
        
        To be fair to whale on that one, they put their database on a public accessible web page.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:26am
      - Nev.
        
        My house is on a publicly accessible street. Does that give anyone the right to enter it and borrow or copy any paperwork they find laying around?
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:33am
      - rangitoto
        
        “My house is on a publicly accessible street. Does that give anyone the right to enter it and borrow or copy any paperwork they find laying around?”
        
        No but if you display a sign you can’t complain if someone reads it.
        
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        May 4, 2018 11:59am
      - Nev.
        
        rangitoto, I know that WO’s excuse was, that it was unsecure so how about this:
        
        I have documents laying on my table at home, someone comes to my house and can see those documents through the window and decides to take photos of them and disburse them on the internet. Is that ethical, moral, or legal?
        
        Despite being a moot point as Slater was found guilty of charges related to the incident.
        Nev.
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:05pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Except Nev, he wasnt found guilty of anything.
        Graeme Edgeler on Public Address: “In September last year, David Parker laid a complaint with the Police about a supposed “hack” of the Labour Party website by Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater. On Friday, Police released a letter explaining that their investigation was over, and they were satisfied that “there was no evidence of criminal offending”. They considered that while the matter “may raise privacy and ethical issues, these are not the domain of the criminal law.” And further : the Law says “if a person who is authorised to access a computer system accesses that computer system for a purpose other than the one for which that person was given access. This subsection means that Cameron, who was, like the rest of us, authorised to go to Labour’s server to look at Labour’s website, was not committing a crime by looking at the other files that Labour had left open to view on their server”.
        
        Your analogy is all wrong. The correct analogy is that you gave rangitoto access to your house, left your papers on your table, he saw them and read them.
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:45pm
      - Nev.
        
        Sorry, I my retract my statement that Slater was found guilty. With all the coverage over it, I mistakenly assumed he was. Thanks In Vino Veritas, rangitoto and sorry Cam Slater for the wrong information.
        Nev.
        
        A hacker who was hired by blogger Cameron Slater to infiltrate a left-wing blog site has pleaded guilty to fraud in the Manukau District Court.
        
        IT consultant Ben Rachinger, 28, was hired by Mr Slater to hack into left-wing website The Standard, with the aim of embarrassing the Labour Party.
        
        Mr Rachinger was paid $1000 by Mr Slater, but never carried out the hack they discussed. Instead he blew the whistle to TV3’s The Nation, telling the programme he was asked by Mr Slater to figure out who The Standard’s contributors were and record their IP and email addresses.
        
        Police alleged Mr Rachinger never intended to follow through with the promise he made to Slater. He was charged with obtaining $1000 by deception for saying he could and would hack the site.
        
        Mr Rachinger was set to stand trial today but instead changed his plea from not guilty to guilty. He’ll be sentenced on the March 9.
        
        Mr Slater runs the controversial Whale-Oil blog, a right-wing news and opinion site which regularly criticises the Labour Party.
        
        A summary of facts shows Mr Slater believed Labour politicians were writing for The Standard and posting their views anonymously online.
        
        He offered Rachinger $5000 – paying him $1000 up front – believing the hack on The Standard’s servers would uncover evidence of links to Labour.
        
        Labour leader Andrew Little told Newshub earlier this year the party has no links to the left-wing blog.
        
        Mr Slater admitted his part in the plot and was discharged without conviction in May.
        
        Mr Rachinger is also seeking a discharge without conviction, and told Newshub outside court he’s looking forward to the chance to put the matter behind him.
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:15pm
Poppa

Isn’t it astonishing that we are now going to be paying more than a zillion dollars to house the homeless including motel beds.

But……
There are no stories in The Herald anymore so where are they all?

How come it is ok for motels to be used now, National were mocked when they did it?

Where are the houses you were going to build Tryhard?
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May 4, 2018 10:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  Twitford mocked Judith Collins this morning on TV3 for National housing the homeless in motels last winter. Judith enquired whether he believed it was not the right thing to help people?
  Who knew this afternoon Twitford would be touting for “available accommodation suitable for seasonal workers, etc to house the homeless over the winter”
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:40pm
dime

Geez Alison Mau is doing her best to turn the #metoo movement into a money spinner.. for herself.

1) shes a bit late
2) will she feature the labour cover up? that’s a giant metoo, the ultimate use of power – the state quashing sexual assualt. i think we know the answer.
3) im surprised she didnt launch the series with her own, personal, garbage metoo moment – when she was 17 a guy kissed her or some shit she made up.

all in all though, stuff rates higher than the herald today – one of their top stories concerned the Ellen show. apparently she introduced some chick by her pre-marriage split, double barrel name. i dont know if either Ellen, her guest or myself will ever recover from that moment.

die herald, die.
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May 4, 2018 10:58am
- Longknives
  
  Still waiting for my reply from Ali Mau.
  I politely queried whether her ‘team’ would be investigating the Labour Party Sex Camp Cover-up?
  (The Crusading Femnazis had promised to investigate anything that was brought to their attention)
  I guess she must be awfully busy…
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    I wouldn’t bother with Mau Mau.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:03pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Simon’s well rid. What a ghastly woman she is.
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:52pm
rangitoto

House of Lords days numbered?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/954880/house-of-lords-abolished-scrapped-petition-brexit-vote
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May 4, 2018 11:16am
Don the Kiwi

It’s all in words:
https://www.prageru.com/videos/control-words-control-culture
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May 4, 2018 11:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi,
  
  “The culture war is first and foremost a war of words – and the left is winning. The consequences can be seen everywhere: in politics, in education, in media. In this video, Michael Knowles, host of the Michael Knowles Show, explains why we should not cede another syllable.”
  
  BS How is it personally affecting you on KB and elsewhere?
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:15pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You’re quite nosy with your creepy personal questions aren’t you Underwearboy
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:23pm
    - Nev.
      
      Bots often have trouble understanding human actions and emotions. Hence all the questions. Problem is, stephiebot isnt a learning bot, its 256KB of memory is reset every day. Perhaps we should try punching the information into it?
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:34pm
Rich Prick

Where’s today’s list of people the Police aren’t investigating?
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May 4, 2018 11:19am
- realityczech
  
  They can finally name one they are investigating. The scum always floats to the top in the government service. Mind you innocent until proven guilty on this issue.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103026184/senior-new-zealand-naval-officer-charged-with-making-intimate-recordings
  
  He must not have a very good lawyer as now days the lawyers send out threats to all media, blogs etc telling them they cant report things that are not nice about their client.
  
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  May 4, 2018 11:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    rc, I understand Keating has been charged and is before a court and awaits the outcome of the charges.
    
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    May 4, 2018 12:13pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yeah I know stupidboy I posted the link.
      
      “has been charged ”
      
      Yes but he is not being investigated. Must not be in with the right people ya reckon?
      
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      May 4, 2018 12:29pm
- rangitoto
  
  Taxinda hasn’t given them today’s orders yet.
  
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  May 4, 2018 11:29am
  - realityczech
    
    I am sure they are drafting an edict for release after lunch. Otherwise all the media and blogs will have to shut down because they won’t have been told what the regime permits to be said.
    
    I hope the next edict is a bit more detailed than the last – where we have been told not to say anything… about nothing…or we end up in court.
    
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    May 4, 2018 11:45am
- RF
  
  Rich Prick…..
  
  I like that. A list of people not investigated by Police
  
  Perhaps a daily posting in Public Notices of major News papers and a list nailed to the town hall door. It should be in view from the public stocks.
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:52pm
Komata

rangitoto

But only because she hasn’t yet received her own ‘daily’ ones from H1…

It’s all in the ‘Chain of Command’ y’ know.
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May 4, 2018 11:42am
Manolo

The knives are out:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/771151/jared-kushner-disposable-far-rudy-giuliani-concerned

Hannity asked what might happen if her husband, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, becomes a target. Giuliani praised Kushner as “a fine man, you know that, but men are disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on.”
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May 4, 2018 11:48am
Chuck Bird

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=221&v=DNVsdxRB9HE
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May 4, 2018 12:01pm
Nev.

Jacinda Ardern: “Unfortunately though, 6 months hasn’t been long enough to build every house we need”

Or any house. Just ONE would do. We need to have a conversation.
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May 4, 2018 12:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Nev, your ” conversation” to instantly resolve the housing affordability issue?
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:10pm
  - Nev.
    
    Stop back door immigration via student visas, send refugees home, stop housing ungrateful deplorables, build some fucking houses.
    For a start.
    Nev.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:01pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Good answer
      Don’t you love all the questions Racistboy asks
      All day, everyday.
      He’s pretty dumb eh
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:21pm
      - lifesgood
        
        I know we all say that stoopid boy has a mental problem but seriously I think he has. He needs help.
        
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        May 4, 2018 2:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con,
        
        DUH!
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yep
        Mental problems all right
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:33pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol stephie, there is no “housing affordability issue”, otherwise none would be being sold.
    Here’s a thought, why don’t all these people in motel’s rent? Is it because the current Government have made it more difficult for people to own houses to rent? Or is it because they are such dropkicks that no one wants to rent a house to them?
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:51pm
  - Swifty
    
    Why are you so stupid?
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:03pm
- Poppa
  
  Even a hole in the ground would be a start
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:26pm
  - holysheet
    
    Nah that would be too much luxury.
    We had an air pocket we sheltered in…..
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:15pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Unlikely Poppa they are all going into overdrive to help sweet cheeks navigate around the $11.7 billion hole written in the first effort of doing the numbers. There must be trouble brewing for NZ judging by the full team desperately “finding” so much underfunding. Next we might expect them to “leak” some document hinting at a 5% increase in GST so everybody breaths a sigh of relief when it turns out to be only a “modest” 2.5% increase.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:28pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  But this is to accept Labour’s basic premise, that whats needed is for the Government to build houses.
  
  No, it’s not. What’s needed is for the Government to remove all the regulatory costs, obstacles and disincentives that make it insanely difficult and expensive to build any housing at all, let alone affordable housing.
  
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  May 4, 2018 3:04pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I totally agree. ‘Taxpayers building houses’ was a postwar way of getting families housed. There should be no need for that if construction businesses weren’t being hindered by huge hurdles.
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Classical Liberal. Ok simple solutions like cut immigration and market forces take over?
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I guess since you think ‘Tongons’ are racially inferior you’d be happy stopping them?
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mystery pooper exposed as head of Schools

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43998174
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May 4, 2018 12:03pm
- realityczech
  
  Teachers eh? Bet he is a Trump hater too.
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  The poopertrator has been arrested.
  
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  May 4, 2018 12:38pm
mara

Now known as head of Stools.
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May 4, 2018 12:21pm
JasonJohns

trumpy has maybe made his first mistake by saying he didn’t pay off stormy daniels when he actually did. probably should have just said he had it off and paid her 130 grand. it’s all cool. most evangelicals including myself recognise that some men are beyond the ordinary calculations of morality. king david served the lord and had a huge harem. so too trumpy. most americans will admire him for having the good taste to bed stormy daniels and the decency to reward her.
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May 4, 2018 12:44pm
- MCos
  
  Considering that the money was paid not for sex, which Trump denies ever took place anyway, but for her to keep quiet about the liaison, it would appear he doesn’t hold the American people in the same low regard you do, sport.
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Sexual deviants and perverts hate Trump for enjoying normal consensual sex with beautiful women.
  
  Their political heroes are rapists and child molesters which are over represented on the left.
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc “…,hate Trump for enjoying normal consensual sex with beautiful women.”
    
    And whilst he is married?
    
    But is not OK for Bill to do the same?
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      He said ‘consensual’ you gullible fool
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con,
        
        like with Stormy Daniels?
        
        Buffoon!
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes
        RACIST
        
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        May 4, 2018 3:35pm
    - realityczech
      
      Clinton is a predator and a rapist stupidboy.
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:19pm
      - Milhous
        
        I think Trump matches Clinton in the sexual predator stakes.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:23pm
      - Nev.
        
        Uh Oh. Did you just open your first bottle RC?
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:36pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But realityczech most are registered for the protection and safety of the children.
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:31pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Jason, yep, it doesn’t matter, America really doesn’t care. Well, other than the rabid and loud leftists of course. And their hypocrisy after Clinton will be writ large.
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:58pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Trump derangement syndrome is strong in this one. Unlike in Saudi Arabia unmarried women are allowed to have sex with the Husbands of other married women.
  
  Its not even a crime in the USA, and given the sexual deviancy of the clinton family they shouldn’t be going on this sort of a moral crusade. The democrats are guilty of many crimes, some democratic governors and the like are even aiding and abeting rapists and murders whom Immigration Customs Enforcement is trying to catch and deport.
  
  Yet those afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome can’t see past the real crimes, the crimes of the left, and instead want to make a big deal of what is essentially an alleged consensual affair between Trump and some mere prostitute/pornstar….
  
  A pornstar whom volountarily admits she tried to extort trump for money, not that this is proof that the alleged affair happened, but anyone who includes blackmail and extortion as part of their accusations and stories is someone you should really doubt!
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:22pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Holly Roggerz, Trump’s holy rollers ( Evangelical Christians see things differently.
    
    At least I think so?
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:30pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Evangelicals seem very forgiving.
      Not so sure they’d forgive racist scum though.
      There are limits
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:32pm
- Inandout
  
  Why aren’t our politicians subject to these things?
  
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  May 4, 2018 6:21pm
starboard

“Chur bro, one law for us and one law for you white fullas..”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103338085/in-the-fledgling-marae based-justice-system-offenders-are-instead-called-participants
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May 4, 2018 12:59pm
big bruv

So the poison dwarf Justin Langer is the new Aussie cricket captain. Anybody who thought that the Ockers might be changing their ways on the field of play will have to think again. Under Langer it will be business as usual, Aussie will win at all costs and keep playing the victim when cornered.
If you thought Australia under Lehman were repulsive expect much, much worse under a cunt like Langer.
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May 4, 2018 1:00pm
- Milhous
  
  Really?
  
  What examples do you have of him being a “cunt”.?
  
  He is well known for being right wing (friend of John Howard ).
  
  And is a devout Catholic.
  
  I met him once in Perth. Remarkably humble I found for an Aussie cricketer.
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:10pm
  - Nev.
    
    Well his first public statement is that sledging is an acceptable part of cricket.
    He loses respect from me for that.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:13pm
    - Milhous
      
      It is.
      Within reason. As you probably know there have been many clever , funny sledges.
      
      Holding that opinion hardly makes him a “cunt”
      
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      May 4, 2018 1:16pm
      - Nev.
        
        I don’t think he is one but whether he is the right person for Australian cricket to clean up their act remains to be seen. And there’s sledging and outright personal abuse. Do aussies know the difference?
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:29pm
      - Longknives
        
        “If it had been a cheese roll, it wouldn’t have got past him.”
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:56pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    You’ll have to forgive bb. He was a bit confused and thought that Langer had been appointed the new NZ coach.
    
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    May 4, 2018 1:14pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    I’ve met and spoken at length with both Lehmann and Langer and they were both genuinely nice blokes.
    Lehmann was one hell of a player. Should have played a lot more tests than he did.
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:24pm
  - Kimbo
    
    For once big bruv may be right. Langer caught on slow motion replay being a “cunt”, and it has nothing do with him being either a Roman Catholic or a John Howard supporter:
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:40pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      That is a shocker.
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:43pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Wow
      What a cheat
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:53pm
  - big bruv
    
    Milhous
    
    Everybody loses points for be Catholic. Langer is anything but Humble, he was/is a well known back stabber who possesses a very bad case of small man syndrome.
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:56pm
- MCos
  
  I’ve checked with the Australian Police and they have no record . . . . . . .
  
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  May 4, 2018 1:24pm
  - big bruv
    
    “I’ve checked with the Australian Police and they have no record . . . . . . .”
    
    Brilliant!
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:57pm
Harriet

“…….From “other” to “mother” – a Nelson lesbian couple have shared what it means to both be named mum on their daughter’s birth certificate.
Jess and Stacy, who don’t want their surnames used, were shocked to discover they couldn’t both be listed as “mother” to their daughter Evie, born in August last year..”

And there is a very good reason for that, because if either or both of them have to ever attend court where paternity or part there of is discussed, or the simple matter of parents — — the court will now have to accept a LIE as the TRUTH. It doesn’t matter if the law has been changed there is still only one ‘mother’.[this matter came up in aussie – I don’t know the outcome]

Their friends and family are either tolerant or simple minded.
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May 4, 2018 1:47pm
- Poppa
  
  I am sure the poor kid’s friends will understand
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:10pm
- kevn
  
  @Harriet… Clearly it’s about ‘them’ rather than the child. Odd really.
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:30pm
  - lifesgood
    
    So whose sperm was it? As far as I know women cannot make sperm. That poor kid. If you have every watched the Long Lost Family programes on TV you can see how this sort of thing ruins a kids life right through to adulthood. There is an innate longing for everybody to know who their real parents are. It’s disgusting what is happening to kids today. Many years from now people will look back in horror at this child abuse the way we look at Victorian child labour.
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:02pm
holysheet

Just announced emirates team nz have engaged helun clarke as their new patron.
Good way to turn off any donations from those of us “rich pricks”
What were they thinking?
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May 4, 2018 2:00pm
- nasska
  
  But what a fine ship’s figurehead she would make:
  
  https://pixabay.com/en/figurehead-dragon-boat-decorative-678247/
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:15pm
  - Poppa
    
    Something to smash the champagne bottle on during the launch ceremony
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:55pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    So there you are nasska – you wanker!!!
    
    How could you slag off a quality bri’ish mo’or like the Triumph 2.5 PI? A classic!!! Refined motoring at a refined price. So there!
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:28pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      … and BTW, those aren’t klerkula’s teeth – I think they copied chompers’.
      
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      May 4, 2018 3:29pm
- kevn
  
  @holy… Might even have to pay her in some way. VIP viewing? VIP on-board during racing?
  Bad taste with this choice Team NZ.
  Maybe she paid them (as a ‘sponsor’)
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:43pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Hulun and the minister of sport, her former office boy, Robbo, can enjoy viewing the Emirates team racing from the corporate yacht, chardonnay supplied. ? ⛴ ?
    
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    May 4, 2018 2:55pm
  - holysheet
    
    They may have had no choice.
    Robbo may have had a conversation with them and said if you want govt money, then we have an bungly itch who wants to be more acceptable to the rich pricks that follow sailing. Nod nod, wink wink.
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:05pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Whoever was in charge of the wooden stake didn’t do a good enough job. The Beast keeps on popping up everywhere.
  
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  May 4, 2018 3:12pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Oh dear god, how could they have done that.
  I had the misfortune to meet her at the RNZYS during 2003 AC regatta.
  Took me months to recover.
  There’s an ETNZ lunch coming up. I might ask the question why?
  
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  May 4, 2018 3:26pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Is that because you turned to stone?
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:32pm
- lifesgood
  
  What f*****g idiots. That’s done it, there will be no money from me.
  
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  May 4, 2018 6:05pm
- Piniwi
  
  @holysheet it must the best cartoon material to have floated to the top of the pond in what has been a very busy week.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:41pm
greybeard

So they think they can build a new hospital in Dunedin for $1.5b ?
They have to buy the required sites, demolish and remove all the existing structures, obtain consents to build again, pay for new traffic management, build the new blocks, fit them out ( this will be very expensive ) , build new WINZ offices with new fitments, and no doubt lots more.
Expect huge budget overruns on this one.

Note: I tried posting these comments on Stuff but they don’t like criticism of their government, or their reporters.
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May 4, 2018 2:35pm
- kevn
  
  @grey… Lets do This… slogan overkill but hey it’s comedy hour.
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:45pm
- Poppa
  
  It is all ok Dr Clark will sort it all out.
  
  I wonder when that will start? 2021?
  
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  May 4, 2018 2:57pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    he’ll have to wait until chinky twyford has built his 100,000 slums.
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:33pm
- Piniwi
  
  But greybeard it must be for the feelz as they say:
  Work on the much anticipated $1.4 billion hospital is intended to begin before the 2020 election. Very fishy this is announced ahead of the budget after so much bad press they have been getting?
  What about the new prison??
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:53pm
Manolo

The showdown approaches:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/giuliani-believes-5050-chance-mueller-subpoenas-president-trump/story?id=54923079

As Rudy Giuliani enters the center ring of the legal fight between President Donald Trump and special counsel Robert Mueller, the former New York City mayor is already anticipating one possible battle – a subpoena for President Trump to testify.

“I think it’s 50/50,” Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, told ABC News regarding the possibility of a subpoena.
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May 4, 2018 2:49pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You can’t subpoena a President, only impeach
  
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  May 4, 2018 3:45pm
  - waripori
    
    It is amazing how we have all become experts on obscure US law. My understanding is you probably can subpoena a President. Clinton was subpoenaed in a civil matter ( Paula Jones ) after a court ruling. The current investigation is criminal one and the court would not be likely to see that as a lesser matter than the civil one. This is the leverage Mueller has as Trump could have his lawyers at an interview with the Special Counsel. He would not be represented at a Grand Jury hearing.
    
    The Justice Department has a policy that says a President cant be indicted as guilt or innocence should be up to the people or their representatives to decide.
    
    It amuses me that a Mueller interview is being called a perjury trap. In order to avoid that all Trump would have to do is tell the truth.
    
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    May 4, 2018 3:58pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      He can try but Trump can refuse saying it’s interfering with him running the country
      The DOJ also made determinations in 2000 about that and that it’s against the Constitution
      That sprung from what happened to Nixon and Clinton
      https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2000/10/31/op-olc-v024-p0222_0.pdf
      I just watched a segment with a Constitutional Specialist on this
      He also said that since no actual crime is being investigated byvTrump that would help Trump if it went to the Supreme Court
      
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      May 4, 2018 4:17pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      If you don’t understand how these interviews are being used as Perjury Traps then you don’t understand how interrogation works
      Look at what happened to Flynn- although the odds are given the corruption around what occurred there Flynn will be walking
      
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      May 4, 2018 4:19pm
      - waripori
        
        Flynn may not have understood the FBI’s rules. They don’t ask questions they don’t know the answers to. He must have told them a lie about what he said to Kislyak when they had his conversations on tape. If he had fessed up to discussing sanctions with him he would probably have kept his job and saved Trump lots of problems Given that Pruitt is still running the EPA the ethical standards in the Trump cabinet are not high,
        
        My comment holds. You don’t commit perjury if you tell the truth. You might have to confess to some other crime but again that is not a problem if you have not committed any.
        
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        May 4, 2018 4:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The interview wasn’t taped
        It’s already been admitted by the FBI that the notes for the interview (302’s) were changed.
        Other FBI officers present state the notes don’t reflect what was said in the interview- you can do some research to see who did the notes. You might learn something…
        Just today Mueller requested the sentencing be deferred for another two months, so he knows somethings wrong
        Note to self- ignore Waripori, he consistently knows fuck all
        
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        May 4, 2018 4:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘They don’t ask questions they don’t know the answers to.’
        Sigh, so now you understand how the Perjury Trap works..
        Oh, and Flynn wasn’t aware it was a ‘formal’ interview
        They didn’t tell him
        
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        May 4, 2018 4:58pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      The President can’t be subpoenaed. He can only be prosecuted once he’s left Office.
      Also. Impeach = Misconduct in office. As he can’t be subpoenaed, it would have to be evidence gathered from his inner circle that Trump has been found guilty of misconduct.
      
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      May 4, 2018 8:49pm
- Fletch
  
  What is incredible is that this is still an investigation based on no intelligence and without a reason. It’s based on some airy-fairy supposition cooked up by the Dems that Trump colluded or conspired with Russia and it turns out it was actually the Democrats who colluded with Russia.
  
  It was the DNC and Hillary who paid for the fake ‘Trump dossier’ from Russia through Fusion GPS whom they hired. That’s where the real collusion is. As usual, it’s the Left accusing Trump of crimes that the Left actually committed themselves.
  
  The whole thing is a farce, and Trump should fire Mueller and get it over with.
  
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  May 4, 2018 4:22pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Nah, Mueller is hanging himself
    Let him carry on. Those questions the other day shows how desperate he is and that they have nothing
    They’ve confirmed no collusion so no crime
    Meanwhile Sessions and the DOJ IG are closing in
    Read this Fletch
    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/whos-actually-running-this-game/
    
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    May 4, 2018 4:29pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ilt0_1525373818

Manus Island Bullshit
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May 4, 2018 2:56pm
Poppa

I wonder how Ztev is holding his shit together with all of these cock ups that his mates have been up to?

We are feeling for you Ztev, it can’t be easy
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May 4, 2018 3:00pm
Ross12

“They feel akin almost to being in high school and suddenly discovering the notes that people are passing around the classroom about you,” she said of the business surveys.
Can someone please translate this statement from the PM ( with a communications degree!!!) From an article talking about low business confidence.
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May 4, 2018 3:39pm
- Nev.
  
  It means she failed to read the signals
  Nev.
  
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  May 4, 2018 3:51pm
realityczech

The fake news media are pulling some serious overtime writing up propaganda pieces telling stupid people what to think about Clarke – not being investigated- Gayford.

This handy article gives you 7 permitted ways to think so is better than the others: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/04-05-2018/seven-ways-of-looking-at-the-clarke-gayford-rumours/
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May 4, 2018 3:54pm
Fletch

Jacinda gives a pre-budget speech and, judging by the comments below the news story in Stuff, not many are enthused by it. Business confidence has dropped wayyy down.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/103635252/jacinda-ardern-addresses-the-elephant-in-the-room
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May 4, 2018 4:18pm
wreck1080

There is some horrendous youth offending going on this week.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12045242

I am 95% certain of the race of the offenders , and pretty sure the kidnap victims would be either chinese or european.

And, there is a good chance the older offender is on bail.

Does that make me a racist or a realist?
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May 4, 2018 4:23pm
- sooty
  
  Angry would love to send them home to do it or worse all over again.
  
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  May 4, 2018 4:55pm
- kowtow
  
  Serbian security guard killed too.
  
  Since when and why do shops , hospitals and even libraries need to have guards.
  
  There’s something very rotten in the state of Aotearoa.( formerly New Zealand)
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:05pm
Jack5

The state senate of Illinois has passed a bill to require public schools in the state to teach lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) history.

How long before this is emulated in NZ? Perhaps here they could kill two birds with one stone by teaching it in Maori.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/03/illinois-senate-passes-bill-that-requires-lgbt-history-in-public-schools.html
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May 4, 2018 4:23pm
- realityczech
  
  So clearly they do not consider LGBQT people to be human, otherwise they would be covered under human history.
  
  Also the American boy scouts is no more due to hatred towards men and boys.
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/05/02/boy-scouts-drop-the-boy-as-they-welcome-girls-to-scouts-bsa/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f4468bb62f4d
  
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  May 4, 2018 4:26pm
  - realityczech
    
    Oh I should have mentioned the the girl scouts still exist and do not take boys.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it1K-yDfq8A
    
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    May 4, 2018 5:10pm
    - Gentleman Bastard
      
      You missed out there buddy. Although Boy Scouts seems to have a bigger issue with sexual peccadilloes than the Girl Scouts, perhaps it’s the amount of reporting that’s amiss? The lack of women that want to incriminate and destroy the reputations of women? Where’s Breen when you need him.
      
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      May 4, 2018 7:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Now there’s an irony. In the same thread in which realityczech has contributed, there is the implication of child molestation.
        
        Maybe not a good idea, GB, to address realityczech as “buddy”, as it could give the mistaken impression you are involved in whatever extra curricular activities he deems as recreational. Such as his fascination with the graphic details of paedophilia.
        
        [DPF: Totally unacceptable as has been numerous other comments from you. Strike 4 and two weeks off]
        
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        May 4, 2018 7:38pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        At Kimbo, he’s not my buddy, friend.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbdVNYsGSTU
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:09pm
- Fletch
  
  Morality has completely gone out the window in society in favour of whatever sexual deviancy they feel like acting out. It’s only going to get worse, too. We thought gay marriage was the end of it? I would have laughed a few years ago if you’d told me a burly man would be representing New Zealand in the Commonwealth Games women’s weightlifting event. Now the news is going on about our first transgender model and, as mentioned above, allowing two women to be “mothers” on a birth certificate.
  
  People laughed when some of us mentioned it was only the beginning of the slippery slope. Well, we’ve not quite reached the bottom yet, but the bobsled is gaining speed.
  
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  May 4, 2018 4:37pm
  - Longknives
    
    It’s ‘Transitioning’ children that puts the shits up me.
    There was an article I read recently of some very young child in Canada being ‘Transitioned’ (pumped full of drugs etc in preparation for Sex Change surgery)
    By pure coincidence the parents were a hardcore ‘Activist’ Lesbian Couple. Doesn’t take Einstein to figure out there is an agenda in there…
    
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    May 4, 2018 4:43pm
    - Inandout
      
      No, lesbians are the new normal.
      
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      May 4, 2018 6:17pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Morality has completely gone out the window in society in favour of whatever sexual deviancy they feel like acting out. It’s only going to get worse, too. We thought gay marriage was the end of it?
    
    Its not going to end until civilisation is destroyed.
    
    We had our chance Fletch to stip the evils and insanities that now grip our World but instead we went to war against those that experienced the forced degenracy earlier than us (during Weimar) and indeed opposition to this madness is equated to the worst evil thw world has ever seen (as least thats what my history books, Politicians and MSM tell me).
    
    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/lgbtq-institute-in-germany-was-burned-down-by-nazis
    
    ““We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build” – Maurice Samuel in You Gentiles, published in 1924
    
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    May 4, 2018 6:59pm
nasska

LGBT…….liquor, guns, bacon & tits. 🙂
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May 4, 2018 4:31pm
- sooty
  
  Yeah! All the good things in life.
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:42pm
Longknives

Speaking of which- There’s going to be some heads explode when Sonny Bill gets an exemption (on religious grounds) from wearing the new All Black LGBQT ‘Rainbow Jersey!’
But Folau is the bad guy right? Because he plays for Australia..
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May 4, 2018 4:38pm
realityczech

I see Stuff has done another expose of young female lawyers sleeping their way to the top. The young male lawyers simply got punched in the balls. I bet he wished he could screw a female boss and get a promotion and fancy dinners like his female colleagues.

“A young male clerk is working in a Wellington firm when his senior returns from a boozy lunch and punches him in the testicles. This incident did happen. “
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May 4, 2018 4:51pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

It’s Friday and after five. So grab some salt, a lime, and join Annie Whittle in a nice Tequila Sunrise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwLFhvJslew
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May 4, 2018 5:49pm
realityczech

Lefties want schools to ban best friends. This is for real. Having a best friend is exclusionary.
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May 4, 2018 6:03pm
- nasska
  
  Unbelievable!
  
  Until last November I would have written off the idea as the wafflings of idiots.
  
  It still is but with the pack of ideological fruitcakes currently parked up on the treasury benches it will probably be implemented.
  
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  May 4, 2018 6:23pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s understandable though nasska. Winston never had a best friend when he was a lad so why should any other bastard! 🙂
    
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    May 4, 2018 6:28pm
Johnboy

Fascinating stuff regarding Mount Egmont.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/103630535/study-reveals-how-a-large-mt-taranaki-eruption-would-hit
Of course the third type of eruption is constantly ongoing everytime a honky has a piss on the summit! 🙂
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May 4, 2018 6:12pm
- nasska
  
  From JB’s link:
  
  ……”Taranaki’s dairy and petro-chemical sectors would be significantly destroyed, and much of the region’s population harmed, if a large eruption occurred on Mt Taranaki”……
  
  It’ll be too late. The CoL have beaten the Gods of Vulcanology to the annihilation of those industries!
  
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  May 4, 2018 6:34pm
  - realityczech
    
    Lucky volcanoes don’t put out any CO2. Oh wait…
    
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    May 4, 2018 6:36pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Oh ye of little faith. Shane’s going to spend half a billion in Taranaki setting up a video industry! 🙂
    
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    May 4, 2018 6:36pm
    - Johnboy
      
      He’s apparently going to use his hands-on experience to get the whole shebang up and pumping in no time at all! 🙂
      
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      May 4, 2018 6:44pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Good looking mountain that one. We can only hope it rumbles when Little visits Taranaki to try pass off shit as shinola.
  
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  May 4, 2018 8:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, Nobel Prize for Literature is off this year.

Wonder if they’ll postpone the Nobel Prize for Peace, also.
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May 4, 2018 7:04pm
- Kimbo
  
  Anyone asked sometime-Kiwiblogger oob for his nomination for the Nobel Economics Prize? ?
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:12pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Believe or not, some of this discussion was deleted by DPF ?
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/nz_economy_loses_momentum.html
    
    Judging by his other comments which make EAD sound like a member of B’nai B’rith, maybe oob thought Brian Marshall was the love child of the great South African no. 8 Hennie Muller, sired to a Jewess when “The Greyhound of the Veldt” toured here as coach of the 1965 Springboks. ?
    
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    May 4, 2018 7:23pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Kimbo:
      
      I note with interest that Stephieboy was the voice of reason on that thread!
      
      stephieboy
      Not surprising that this thread has degenerated into F you , F that , F off contributions courtesy both left and right.
      
      Charming !
      
      Miracles occasionally happen!
      
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      May 4, 2018 7:38pm
      - nasska
        
        Funnily enough I find ” F you , F that , F off ” contributes more to GD than the commentators normal “have you got a link for that?”, “Squawk”, “LOL”, Muslim cuddling shit.
        
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        May 4, 2018 7:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Oh – 2 people downvoted me because I said something nice about Stephieboy.
        
        Suck my dick dumbasses. Actually, please don’t, as you probably have aids!
        
        See – I can be the voice of reason too! 🙂
        
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        May 4, 2018 7:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        Yeah, but be fair. Your theogical insights, my referencing of Kimbo’s law, and David Garrett’s obsession with the correct use of the apostrophe have lifted standards. ?
        
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        May 4, 2018 7:51pm
      - nasska
        
        Totally agree Kimbo although my revelations on the mind crippling effects of organised religion & it’s other deleterious effects is a service to mankind! 🙂
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:02pm
- sooty
  
  Of course they will. Just so Trump can not win it!
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:39pm
Gentleman Bastard

PEACE IS THE BIGGEST PRIZE
t. Donald John Trump

Translation:
Fuck your million dollars and fake awards bitches
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May 4, 2018 7:09pm
Johnboy

Wellington harbour turns into Sargasso Sea?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/103638663/plastic-formula-lids-flood-shoreline–in-baffling-invasion-of-lower-hutt-beach
I blame it on all the Chinese saving money on freight by removing the plastic lids before shipping to honourable rellies in Shanghai! 🙂
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May 4, 2018 7:18pm
- Gentleman Bastard
  
  My opinion is that we need to make fast food companies liable to clean the shit up. Their litter is everywhere, employ school leavers to get rid of it. Not sure why Greens dont back something like this.
  Employment and Conservation in one foul swoop.
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:37pm
  - Gentleman Bastard
    
    Might invent the Clean Our World (COW) party. Anyone who adds pollution to our shores, or whose business adds beyond a certain threshold of rubbish materials, has to be socially and environmentally responsible for the effects.
    Vote for COW. Our shit doesn’t stink.
    
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    May 4, 2018 7:46pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Clean Our World (COW) party”
      
      Great idea. Lets do something real to help the planet. No more paying people to have kids. No free doctors for kids, no free school, no free nothing. In fact lets tax them at 50% on top. You can use the money to clean the beaches.
      
      And if you don’t have the integrity to support my ideas then you are a fake. No amount of virtue signalling will repair the damage of one child on the environment. If we don’t stop polluting the planet with these little maggots we are doomed.
      
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      May 4, 2018 7:52pm
      - Kimbo
        
        That’s a lot of aggression to express about children. Especially from one who posts the graphic details of child molestation with the purported reason that you care about them.
        
        So how come you haven’t answered the questions
        
        “Are you allowed to be left alone with children?”, and
        
        “Why have you got such an aggressive attitude to the police?”
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    So if I buy something from you and dump it in the sea you should have to go and pick it up?
    
    Right got that.Virtue signalling retard located ❗
    
    Would you be the dimwit in the comments who thought the solution to lids in the sea was to ban shopping bags. What vile idiot people.
    
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    May 4, 2018 7:47pm
    - Gentleman Bastard
      
      Dont be a fuckwad. These international companies are destroying our country with rubbish mate with no social obligations. Make them responsible. For the price of a few jobs. Or dont recycle or follow any laws at all. Dick
      BTW far from a greenie. But seems I have better options and ideas to make a difference than ban plastic bags and straws.
      
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      May 4, 2018 7:58pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Gentleman Bastard
        Dont be a fuckwad. These international companies are destroying our country with rubbish mate”
        
        Liar. Those companies are not dumping their stock into the sea. People like you and their snotty nosed worthless brats are. See all those straws in the article? All from kids drinks.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:07pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        Waiting for RealitySchitForBrains to stop Mowri, TongAn, SAmoAn people throwing shit out their car windows at the beach.
        Or do my idea. Fuckwad
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:13pm
      - Kimbo
        
        See all those straws in the article? All from kids drinks.
        
        Straws. Kids. Anyone remember who first introduced the phrase “felching straws” onto Kiwiblog?
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_07_march_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2156242
        
        Freudian slip, perhaps? Is there a reason you won’t tell us if you are allowed to be left alone with children, realityczech?
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bastard, the point is that if we keep increasing the population (having kids) then the planet is stuffed. All the environmental measures will only buy a few extra years.
        
        Your idea that is is someone else’s responsibility to pick up the rubbish you and your kids dump in the sea is absurd.
        
        I don’t see McDonalds dumping rubbish. I see kids doing it. I suggest you work on being a better person and make your kid pick up their rubbish.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:21pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        I dont eat takeaways you mong.
        Too fucking old for that, and my kids get home made food for the most part. So I am probably cleaning up after you when I pick up my “at least” 5 pieces of plastic when I walk my dog.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:31pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Hang on a sec…
      
      “So if I buy something from you it will include soy”
      
      There fixed it for you bird brain
      
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      May 4, 2018 8:02pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Next week should be interesting. From Monday Agent BallSack will be allowed to play in the Kiwiblog sandpit again. I imagine that he’s looking forward to riding on the swings with realityczech!
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:08pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Kea just won’t respond to him, a bit like stephie-head if you go after them they tuck like a good sissy and run for the hills.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Interesting to see how decent people are moderated compared to lying twisted Zionist nut jobs. Compare Kimbo’s filthy and dishonest attacks on me and those who respond to my comments, including sexualised remarks about their kids. No moderation.
        
        Now compare LOL 🙂
        
        realityczech
        As if females are your thing perv.
        [DPF: And that’s a Strike}
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        May 4, 2018 8:17pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You’re assuming realityczech/Kea/felching straw will still be around on Monday.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:20pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Decent people aren’t moderated,
        
        Fuck-knuckles like you ( heh, and I ) are… don’t play the bitch card soy-boy
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:20pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Hmmm…
        
        RealityCzech – 1st strike 1/4/17, 2nd and 3rd strike – 3/2/18, 4th strike – 7/3/18
        
        Plus:
        
        Kea 1st strike – 2/10/14, 2nd strike – 4/10/14, 1st warning – 16/10/14, 2nd warning – 17/10/14, 3rd strike – 22/10/14, 4th strike – 24/11/14, 5th strike – 22/12/14, 6th strike – 6/2/14, 7th strike – 19/4/15, 8th strike – 27/7/15, 9th strike – 23/2/16
        
        And to complete the list:
        
        David Farrar
        
        Kea has just received his tenth strike.
        
        June 4, 2017 11:45am
        
        DPF’s announcement received 46 upticks and 4 downticks.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You complaining about the moderation around here, realityczech?
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:24pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        I heard The Sack Evolved & Hatched more. Prepare mindbleach for the next evolution. Unlike FauxMilky, stronger, harder, warmer, even.
        Prepare to like balls more.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        It is incredibly rare for hard line christian zionists to get banned for anything no matter how repugnant.
        
        It has always been that way. Its David’s blog and his rules so I’m not worried.
        
        Flak is heaviest over the target and I could not stand to live another day if I met with the approval of people like Kimbo. I always knew he what he really was. It shows if you know what to look for.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:27pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        The bitch card, the martyr card, the aggrieved peoples champion!
        
        What a sad little fucker you are.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ realityczech
        
        So you think the application of the rules by David Farrar on this blog is unfair, and is done to cover up paedophilia in religious communities. Is that what you are alleging about me and also David Farrar?
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:31pm
      - realityczech
        
        Nosty, yeah that Kea really triggered a certain type of person. Was the moderation tougher back then, because most of it seems very petty?
        
        No where near as bad as the stuff Kimbo has been posting hard out for days without sanction. I guess being a religious bigot invokes special consideration.
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:31pm
      - realityczech
        
        Kimbo, have you written to the Rabbi yet telling him to stop his work and to never speak of it again?
        
        He has been told that many times by child rapists, to protect the religion, but maybe you can make him change his stubborn mind.
        
        Here is the link so you can track the Rabbi down. You could cut and paste your comments from KB to save too much writing.
        
        https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
        
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        May 4, 2018 8:37pm
Gentleman Bastard

No wonder Lucia and …PhilYou… left. Place is like 4Chan with all the aggression and boring to and fro.
Good way to destroy a website.
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May 4, 2018 8:48pm
Gentleman Bastard

Well my COW party didnt get an airing. More lies from the Government. Its bullshit buddies.
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May 4, 2018 8:57pm
realityczech

Kimbo
Straws. Kids. Anyone remember who first introduced the phrase “felching straws” onto Kiwiblog?

starboard
Burn the treaty.
That fixes that.
Felching straws anybody?

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The lies are getting worse the abuse more hysterical.
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May 4, 2018 9:01pm
- Kimbo
  
  So what you are saying is either you took note of starboard’s wording at the time and such was its effect it has stuck in your subconscious (why ever would that be?) so that you later (‘scuse the unfortunate metaphor) regurgitated it as your own original idea
  
  …or you were so fascinated by the subject which my simple open-ended question raised, you diligently researched it…just like you do child molestation in religious communities.
  
  You do know what you find worthy of your time and public utterances is very suggestive. Personally, given we don’t know (although we suspect) what you get up to, but we know what gives you a thrill – posting he details of child molestation- I’d ban you for life if it was my blog. Just to be safe. But I’m not David Farrar.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:10pm
- realityczech
  
  No idea what you are talking about. I posted a link. Write to the Rabbi. It was his story.
  
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  May 4, 2018 9:26pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yet you like to post it repeatedly. Care to share with us the graphic details that took your attention? And why you think David Farrar has suspended you on the occasions that you did?
    
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    May 4, 2018 9:32pm
    - realityczech
      
      I was particularly interested in what the Rabbi said about the biggest problem being the enablers who would attack the messenger to protect the religion and not the kids. Without those people these crimes could not continue. They try and persecute anyone who mentions the abuse in an attempt to silence them.
      
      What sort of hideous sicko would do that I wonder?
      
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      May 4, 2018 9:38pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        RC, I agree with some of your posts, but not this anti-‘zionist’ stuff. The countries that most often allow child marriage are not Israel or mainly Christian countries but islamic countries:
        
        “In Islamic nations, many countries do not allow child marriage of girls under their civil code of laws. But, the state recognized Sharia religious laws and courts in all these nations have the power to override the civil code, and often do. UNICEF reports that the top five nations in the world with highest observed child marriage rates – Niger (75%), Chad (72%), Mali (71%), Bangladesh (64%), Guinea (63%) – are Islamic majority countries” Read Wikipedia ‘child marriage’.
        
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        May 5, 2018 10:53am
starboard

Violent scumbag natives on the loose again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103646196/five-arrested-after-kidnapping-of-two-women-in-auckland
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- Brito
  
  Starboard you’ve commented. Great to see the oracle back on board. I see Realityczech is there as well. I’ve missed you two guys. There are so many limp wristed wanna be right wingers on this site now and then there are the old bores (you know who you are). Ah debate, the stuff of freedom, but not for the minorities, oh no.
  
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  May 5, 2018 6:42am
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    Brito, I thought of you the other day when I heard someone had been taking pot shots at Palestinians. But I reckoned you would never hit them at that range with a rusty old Uzi, so it was probably someone else.
    
    Things are not going well in the Shire and you have more chance of getting rational thought from Hamas than we have from Labour. I am starting to think a two state solution might work best here.
    
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