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General Debate 3 May 2018

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Paulus Gnome

Anyone but WoO!
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May 3, 2018 8:00am
- RalphT
  
  Even Hugh?
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yep. Hugh does actually have something to say, some is even interesting and on topic although only pertinent to Texas, too often, repeats himself, repeats himself, then posts the same again the following day and here with a fing hyperlink, whereas WoO is just an obnoxious twat.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:17am
dubya

Streisand Effect in 3, 2, 1…
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May 3, 2018 8:01am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Never believe anything in politics, until it’s been officially denied.
  
  “Ahh never had sexual relations with that woman”
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:14am
cmm

So we’re not getting any preferential tariff deals from USA:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/103576054/us-steel-tariff-snub-flies-in-face-of-positive-relationship

“Parker said the Government was seeking clarity from the US administration on what would happen next. He and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had written to their “US counterparts”, and directed officials to engage at all levels, he said.”

Does that engagement include Our Mother mouthing off at Trump and slagging him off at any opportunity? Is the PM one of those levels? Does it include the taxpayers paying professional activists to fly to USA to take part in anti-Trump marches?

It is way easier to build better bridges if you don’t blow them up first.

“”We are concerned at the possible implications for our domestic producers. While our exports of steel and aluminium to the US are not large, they are important to the businesses and workers in those industries,” Parker said.”

Yeah well telling your little mouthy boss to try being civil might be a good start.

This isn’t student politics. This is the real world where actions really have consequences. Grow up!
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May 3, 2018 8:02am
- Huevon
  
  I think this is exactly what has happened. Trump’s “movement” is driven by people who are tired of snarky liberals thinking they run everything. Some US official would have done a quick Google search and reported “the NZ PM is one of those. Probably loves Hillary too. Recommend no exemption. Ends”
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:13am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Agree, Huevon.
    These things are noticed, and noted.
    Exemption for New Zealand?
    Nah.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:18am
    - rockape
      
      That’s what embassy staff are for, to note those things and read our news. Anyone in the Labour or Green party who thinks their nasty comments dont get over NZ’s boprders are kidding! Heard of the internet?
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:40pm
  - KevOB
    
    I agree. One mends bridges not demolishes them.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:27am
    - sooty
      
      Trump would ask question, did she meet obama,will she meet clinton?
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:41am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Some US official would have done a quick Google search and’ watched Taxinda running the International Union of Socialist Youth convention and singing the Internationale.
    
    Why ON EARTH should a strong, capitalist country that rewards work and investment want to give exemptions to that?
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:42am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Probably also someone looked at the list of countries who voted to sanction the US for moving their embassy to Jerusalem and we got the big “fuck off” as a result. Given that those countries who were politically astute enough to abstain are getting gentle treatment.
    
    Nikki Haley did provide fair warning.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:17am
    - flipper
      
      BUT, but, but….
      We are the mouse that roared [that we have MFAT’s independent foreign policy] and we listen to Russell the Flag rather than the Treasury.
      
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      May 3, 2018 11:01am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        The thing that “mouse that roars” should be careful of.
        
        Pissing off the cat.
        
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        May 3, 2018 7:08pm
- G152
  
  Piss the big boys off and they pick up their toys and go home.
  Well done liebor and its something you cant blame the nats for
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:16am
- The Heat
  
  Well done, Jacinda. What a fine job you and your COL are doing on behalf of NZ exporters.
  
  You do know how exporters fit into the picture, don’t you COL? Well, they pay for health, education, welfare and the rest.
  
  Joining any dots yet, COL?
  
  Need a little picture book, COL?
  
  PS: Exporters tend to use oil and gas, and are vulnerable to exchange rate and supply. Just a thought, but that lesson is maybe a little too “advanced” at this stage.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  In the interview with Parker on Red Radio this morning he was not asked that Jacinda’s and the drunks comments might be the reason that we were not exempt from the tariffs. Talk about ignoring the Elephant in the room
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:24am
  - 3-coil
    
    VicParking (8:24am) – exactly! the obvious points that should be raised now that we aren’t exempted.
    
    What’s to be expected when our Prime Minister calls President Trump a “professional arsehole” and talks about how “orange” he looks? And when Caroline Beresford (2IC at NZ Embassy in Washington) advises the Democrats how to beat Trump: “get your shit together or we’ll all die”?
    
    We can’t expect preferential treatment when our Prime Minister and top diplomats are firing bitchy insults and catty digs at the leader of the country we’re expecting/demanding favours from. These two idiot women should just shut up and stay out of the way, their naivety and ignorance does more harm to our country than good.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:29am
    - Ross12
      
      Has Beresford still got her job in DC ?
      At the very least she should have been sent to another Embassy to be the tea lady.
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:34am
      - VicParking
        
        Have we an embassy in Venezuela?
        
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        May 3, 2018 10:32am
- Monique Watson
  
  Yep. Saw that going down the tubes and don’t expect a great result with the EU either.
  And it does go back to relationships at the highest levels. Jacinda hasn’t learned that you gotta give a little to get a little. And it’s not confined to trade. The damage that would have been done with the half-assed negative response to the action in Syria. Inestimable.
  Trump doesn’t give a shit about NZ. He’s got bigger fish to fry and States with the population the size of NZ or greater to get back to full working capacity.
  Mike Moore told this anecdote. Hopefully I’m repeating it accurately. When he first became Director General, either the First Secretary of State or a previous Secretary of State said “There are three socialist nations that continue to cause the US headaches. Venezuela, Cuba and New Zealand”.
  
  She could have kept her yap zipped over Syria. Got on the blower toTrump to offer some peacekeeping and training troops in Afghanistan and put a small but significant presence in the Red Sea. (Do we even still have frigates?)
  
  Then Parker might have had some negotiating power.
  
  But that’s right, you don’t get that with a Government of Greenie Peaceniks.
  Twats.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:26am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Article in the Wall St Journal today: “Trade Tensions Take Center Stage”.
    
    Top of the trade agenda for Trump are negotiations with China, Mexico, Canada and Europe. Expect the screws to be put on China and Canada.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:33am
  - Yvette
    
    That “Trump doesn’t give a shit about NZ” would not be helped McCully’s United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 since it was in fact a verbatim copy of the Egyptian draft which In-Coming President Trump had rung Egypt’s Prime Minister, and along with Israel’s Netanyahu, convinced him to withdraw it, only to be thwart by McCully. (Both Egypt’s draft text and New Zealand’s final version are online for anyone to compare)
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:28am
    - Positan
      
      re U.N. Resolution 2334. From what I’ve since ascertained, Obama via Kerry, then Sec. of State, leaned on McCully to “help” them make an impression on Israel, assuring McCully that NZ’s vote would go nowhere, the U.S. would use its power of veto. Obviously, McCully fell for it. The vote blew up in National’s face just before Christmas 2016. As McCully hadn’t consulted English & Co, they knew nothing about it. Very stupidly, they opted to do nothing about it, believing the matter would fade. Despite a huge amount of feedback from both the electorate and National’s membership, English refused to acknowledge McCully’s mistake (which was by then, very much National’s and the country’s mistake), even keeping McCully out of the Debating Chamber until his departure from parliament in May 2017.
      
      The stupidity with which that issue was handled cost National dearly – in all probability, the 2017 election. NZ Jewry’s vote, which would for the most part have gone to National, either abstained or went elsewhere – and many National supporters, equally disgusted with their party, were of similar mindsets.
      
      There may be no winners when political hot-potatoes are manifested – but assuredly, those who front and admit whatever they’ve cocked-up are far more likely to be seen as credible – and forgiven – than those who don’t.
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:54am
    - calendar girl
      
      Well noted, Yvette. McCully’s involvement in that UNCS resolution did significant damage to NZ’s international image with a number of western countries of importance. And it did happen on National’s watch, McCully being given too much discretion for making ‘big picture’ decisions that were beyond his level of ability and judgment.
      
      It’s time that Ms Ardern takes to heart the snub delivered to NZ by the USA through its unhelpful decision (for NZ) on preferential tariffs. She needs to keep her mouth closed tightly when she is out of her international league, breathe slowly through her nose, and take some experienced advice from outside her own novice-like circle.
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:56am
      - Yvette
        
        New Zealand First’s requests for details of briefing documents, correspondence, and other relevant documents have been rejected for reasons including ‘avoiding prejudicing the international relations of the New Zealand government’, and that ‘no public interest in releasing the information that has been withheld has been identified that would be sufficient to override the reasons for withholding it’.” – Winston Peters
        
        In asking for “briefing documents, correspondence, and other relevant documents “ which do not exist because the Resolution was in fact Egypt’s, and they would have those items, does Peters show he was (and may still be) unaware that any draft of the original Resolution was not New Zealand’s?
        
        But contrary to the statement that “No public interest in releasing the information that has been withheld has been identified that would be sufficient to override the reasons for withholding it”, is in fact very questionable, since an awareness of the single-handed nature of McCully’s actions should alert everyone to the possible single-handedness that Peters may possibly now display in regard to relations with Russia.
        Which also has implications regarding Trump’s attitude to New Zealand.
        
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        May 3, 2018 11:25am
- thedavincimode
  
  porcelain chops putting shit on Trumpy and the drunk calling for a FTA with Russia at the worst possible time is really paying off big time for the COL I don’t know why they’re “seeking clarity”; they’ve just been told to fuck off.
  
  Keep up the good work gang. With a bit of luck we can get the yanks to whack dairy and bull beef.
  
  #Let’s do this #jacindamoron # discombobulateddrunk #needthatrussiancash
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:27am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Monique Watson,
    
    “There are three socialist nations that continue to cause the US headaches. Venezuela, Cuba and New Zealand”.
    
    All made up? How clever of you.
    
    Next?
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:01am
    - Monique Watson
      
      Fuck off. I paraphrased what Mike Moore said in front of a Kiwi audience.
      
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      May 3, 2018 11:43am
  - Nev.
    
    The clarity they’re seeking is just how far the should fuck off perhaps?
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:17am
- Scott
  
  One of the other issues was New Zealand’s support of the UN resolution against Israel where Murray McCully led the charge to condemn Israel. Israel is not a country with which we have a vital strategic interest. However it is a country where we like to flex our leftist credentials and signal our virtue by condemning it at every opportunity.
  
  After the vote by the UN American ambassador Nicky Haley said that the US was taking names. So the US has been taking names and our name is one of those names that it has taken. So we are getting no favours from the United States at this time.
  
  What we could do is to understand that we need real allies such as the United States with whom we share a common language and with whom we have been involved as staunch allies in the past. We need to rekindle that relationship. This will be hard because of the reflex anti-Americanism that is so if often found in the left-wing of New Zealand politics.
  
  However we should overcome our leftist prejudices and actually try and get on with the world superpower and start cutting trade deals with them.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott,
    
    “…we need real allies such as the United States with whom we share a common language …” ?
    
    And common Anglo Saxon heritage?
    
    “We need to rekindle that relationship..”.
    
    Get Clarke and Simon to brush up on their golf?
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:03am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Daily you stun and amaze with the depth of your stupidity. Truly you are one of god’s ‘special’ people.
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:21am
    - pentwig
      
      What an inane comment stupidboy.
      Have a stephieboy award:
      
      DUH
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:11am
    - VicParking
      
      Stephie, Morning, Ask the goat to swap back your brains. ? ?
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:35am
- MrLovebucket
  
  But we’ve been bending over backwards to be nice to Russia. Surely that means the USA will drop everything in order to help us.
  
  Don’t they know how popular JA is in the NZ womens magazines?!!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:13am
- RW Capitalist
  
  YUP!!!!
  Dear old Jacinda is too busy mouthing her own, personal, opinion (on all subjects). All the while forgetting (what John Key never did), that you are there to represent us and do whats best for US!!!!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:26am
- kloyd0306
  
  Nicky Haley warned the UN that the US “is taking names” re aid for countries that then vote against the US. Such countries deserve to be exposed for their hypocrisy. This Labour-led CoL should not expect anything different re trade. Trump won the presidency – live with it you horrible leftist traitors.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:05am
- backster
  
  Winston’s love affair with Russia won’t help much either.
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:38am
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks cmm is that what pushed the NZ$ down to NZ$0.69 causing the RBNZ to buy Kiwi to try and stem the flow? It is what might be termed “fluttering” at present in unison it might seem with Parker. Or is a result of one of the Captains cabinet “tweeks” this week?
  “Damien O’Connor’s Associate Ministerial role in the Trade and Export Growth portfolio will be retitled as Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth.
  “The title change will better signal to Hon Damien O’Connor’s international counterparts the nature and extent of his authority in international negotiations,” she said. You just can not make this shit up.
  Currently in the witless protection system but according to the Commie Chick it will signal “his authority in international negotiations”.
  
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  May 3, 2018 2:02pm
- RF
  
  The commie chick gobs off at Trump and we as a country pay the price.
  
  Amateur !!!!!!!!!
  
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  May 3, 2018 2:22pm
Souvlaki

Police Comissioners judgement looking rather suspect ! 1. Describe cop who plant cartridges in Arthur Allan Thomas as ” Top bloke”( or words to that effect)2. Authorised spending thousands dollars painting cars in rainbow colours for gay pride week.3.Collude w 9th floor to ” dispel” rumours…obviously now compromised…is this the new norm?? Not often I agree with Barry Soper!
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May 3, 2018 8:06am
- Paulus
  
  Shush, or one time left wing political commentator turned Lawyer will send you a letter.
  Remember the other Clark, Linda.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:09am
  - dubya
    
    According to friends who were in Linda Clark’s class at law school, she was the model adult student. Front row, and always with an annoying question.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:24am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  That is Slander and Defamation! There has been no police prosecution for corruption, therefore the police chief can not publicly be criticized for his biased partianship and overt corruption, as everything is heresay until a state judge says soo, think you know better than the state, dare to criticize the state, off to the Gulag for Reducation to you my friend!
  
  Oh how democracy dies! Long live the Queen!
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:25am
- peterwn
  
  The story as presented yesterday was that the Police Commissioner had personally decided to make an exception to Police policy and declare that the subject of the rumours was ‘clean’ as far as the Police were concerned. They would face operational difficulties if they had to issue a certificate of complete cleanliness (going beyond usual police vetting) to anyone upon request. However they could do so in exceptional circumstances without causing difficulties and this instance would be one of them since a Prime Minister should not be compromised by false rumours. And being exceptional circumstances a sign-off by the Commissioner would be warranted. However this now seems to have been blown wide open by Barry Soper’s claim that the Police spin doctors are now trying to distance the Commissioner from this decision. The problem here is even if someone else made the decision the buck stops at the Commissioner’s desk or that someone acted out of turn and will cop the wet bus ticket.
  See:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043768
  
  So as Alice would say (and I do not mean the former cop and a former Police Association chief) ‘curiouser and curiouser’.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:29am
- cmm
  
  What I found interesting is not what the cops said, but what they didn’t say.
  
  They said he was not the subject of an inquiry and no charges had been laid. What they did not say was that they had no reason to suspect him of any crimes.
  
  When there is a big operation targeting some big fish, then the big fish are the subject of the inquiry. Little fish that get caught along with them are not the subject of the inquiry. The little fish get interviewed for evidence against the big fish and get a warning – no inquiry.
  
  When the police do one of their “catch and release” cases, these do not result in an inquiry.
  
  Please note that I am not alleging that Gayford is involved in any criminal activities, just pointing out that the wording the police used is interesting.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:43am
  - Happychappy
    
    cmm: The story that got me yesterday was Peters mouthing off about dirty Politics and saying what has happened to the PM’s Partner has also happen to him and I presume he was referring to the Pension saga. But the fact is he has slandered and ruined others careers with lies and innuendo under Paliamentry Privilege and thought that it is alright for him to do it. Whether you like or dislike Brendon Horan Winston crucified him by the same method that he complains about.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:03am
    - peterwn
      
      I am trying to think of a political version of the Golden Rule – he who hath the gold maketh the rules. For example he who hath the swing seats maketh the rules.
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:51am
- stephieboy
  
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  Souvlaki, the Comet Ping Pong and Clinton body count conspiracies are for real?
  
  Get a life!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:08am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Not often Soper says anything worth agreeing with.
  
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  May 4, 2018 7:39am
Paulus

Pity Calamity Cindy does not know when to keep her big mouth shut.
I am sorry for the workers in the NZ Steel industry as they see that gobby is going to do them slowly out of a job.
But you voted fir a change – and we’ve got it.
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May 3, 2018 8:07am
- Piniwi
  
  Worse Paulus as we again see the Connie Chick often unwittingly let the cat out of the bag by talking too much. Again there is confirmation of her knowing in advance about her being the chosen one.
  It seems during the “negotiations” they had an argument via phone then still before the “announcement” she found out she was up the duff. She swallowed the rat and phoned him back with the “good news” to get him to heel and leave his fishing to be at heel for her anointment. No just an MP’s stud but a PM’s stud. “Wow you will be famous like me.”
  
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  May 3, 2018 2:23pm
Odakyu-sen

When the container port at Auckland is converted to high-density housing, there will be a mandatory culture centre as part of the complex. I propose that the centre be devoted to the post-80s immigrants from Asia who made the growth of Auckland possible.
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May 3, 2018 8:08am
- dubya
  
  That sounds awfully chinky, says Phil Twyford.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The makeover of Mandalay reflects a Chinese footprint across Southeast Asia that has grown alongside Beijing’s economic and military clout’
  
  http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2144154/how-massive-influx-chinese-migrants-has-changed-myanmars
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:33am
  - stephieboy
    
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    kowtow , another “yellow peril ” conspiracy being hatched?
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:10am
- VicParking
  
  They could use the containers to build the houses. They are about the same size as Twitfords is proposing.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:39am
  - Piniwi
    
    True VP and how easy is that to know how many bed (rooms) as 10 footer = 1 the 20 footer = 2 and the luxury 40 footer = 4. Without the need to review who is liable for structural strength and integrity.
    
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    May 3, 2018 2:28pm
Komata

cmm

‘But, but, we were only ‘playing’ and we didn’t mean it at all’.

Not ‘arf you didn’t and now four million people are reaping the consequences.

The sad thing is that she and her mates would do the self-same thing tomorow if the chance arose again…

Leopards, spots…
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May 3, 2018 8:08am
Inandout

If you wanted to start the day in a spin you should have watched the Massey teacher on Garner. Whatever he was taking to give him a non stop verbal outpouring…..
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May 3, 2018 8:10am
- lifesgood
  
  H
  Perhaps he took it discreetly .
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:15am
Andrei

The USA is a Nation of Lawyers and kangaroo courts

Well good luck in collecting this

Iran ordered to pay billions to relatives of 9/11 victims

And as everyone knows Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 that was Saudi Arabian enterprise
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May 3, 2018 8:10am
- VicParking
  
  Wow the tea towel brigade dont like The above comment.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    From Andrei’s link,
    
    “..However, the judgment is largely symbolic. Iran has never responded to the lawsuit and is unlikely to ever pay.”
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:16am
    - Andrei
      
      Exactly Stephiebot – and why should they?
      
      It is Alice in wonderland stuff, a bunch of lawyers in a New York courtroom getting an unenforceable judgement against a Nation for a crime even the 9/11 commission said they had nothing to do with!
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:43am
hullkiwi

Note to all those on this blog who live in the Auckland Supercity region.

Please check out the Auckland Council web page “Have your say.

You have until 14th May to respond to an on line survey about the Regional Fuel Tax.

Because there was not majority support for the Regional fuel tax in the on line survey about the Council’s 10 year plan, the council have had to consult the public again.

Goff didn’t get a mandate from Auckland voters for the fuel tax, it is up to those of us who pay for these types of policy to tell him what we think!
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May 3, 2018 8:11am
- Lance
  
  So are you suggesting if there is a resounding “piss off” the AK council will take any notice?
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:25am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I’m not suggesting how anybody should respond, it is their democratic choice.
    
    For my part, I will be providing very unequivocal responses, just as I did in the survey.
    
    Yes, I do hope he will be given a strong down trou by Auckland ratepayers.
    
    Remember Goofy will be seeking re-election in 16 months, so whether he and his council followers listen, well it is up to them as a council.
    
    Finally, if you want to read a rank piece of hypocrisy read this piece from Tracey Martin MP
    http://www.localmatters.co.nz/blogs/4943-double-fuel-tax-whammy.html
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:52am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    No but I think they will open a 3rd round of consultation, if the response is too strong however the councillors might consider their jobs at risk and want this idiocy scaled back….
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:17am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  They are also taking submissions on increasing reserve contributions for new developments. This is a fundamentally terrible idea as it pushes the cost of all new builds up – effectively raising the prices of all existing property (by setting a minimum marginal price) and growing the property bubble even further. When at least a third of cost of new house build in Auckland is regulatory costs you have a big problem.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:52am
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FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

I thought that the article recently about ‘Why does Clarke Gayford bug me (or something) was a cynical and dirty attempt to open a conversation in the media about ‘something’ but did not. In fact the grovelling apology that followed suggested to me that the writer had been told if she wanted to keep her job, she would back off from this sort of thing.
Now, this week, the police have issued a statement indicating that no criminal charges have ever been brought agains the ‘First man’. At the same time KB issued a reminder not defamation.
Simon Bridges has publicly washed his hands of any rumour-mongering.
Surely the full user of the state has been brought to bear on this one.
This is up there now with ‘Are you still beating your wife?’ as a political ruse, and it is interesting to see it unfold. I do not see any National Party fingerprint on this – it is not ‘Dirty Politics’ as I understand it – more a grass-roots petri-dish of scurrilous innuendo and suggestion. I’ve seen hints of it here on KB, where people suggest, but never actually articulate their supposed inside knowledge of Mr. Gayford.
A similar vein of suggestiveness has also attached itself, by innuendo to the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern’s past shenanigans.
We saw the same with Helen Clark and her husband.

Is it just a right-wing obsession with filth?
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May 3, 2018 8:14am
- lifesgood
  
  Believe what you like, thousands don’t.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:17am
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    lifesgood, so you endorse the article’s view?
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:18am
- Lance
  
  So do you think lefty minions are immune from attempting to destroy peoples reputations and careers if they are not in harmony with the lefty PC obsession?
  Because if you do I have a bridge you might want to buy.
  If you don’t then why is it labelled DIRTY POLITICS if it is perceived as emanating from the right but righteous work if it emenates from the left.
  Because the bullshit and bald faced hypocrisy is becoming overwhelming
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:31am
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    Lance .
    
    “Because the bullshit and bald faced hypocrisy is becoming overwhelming”
    
    ????
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:19am
    - Lance
      
      @stephie boy….
      
      You do realise everyone here thinks you are the village idiot?
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:46am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I think at this point empirical evidence has moved it from theory to well established fact.
        
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        May 3, 2018 9:55am
      - G152
        
        Not think……. KNOWS he’s the village idiot
        
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        May 3, 2018 10:51am
- peterwn
  
  If there were rumours circulating among MP’s on this, the MP’s concerned would most likely have been from all parties (except possibly ACT) and just not National MP’s. While arguably National MP’s may relish the thought of Jacinda being brought down to earth, MP’s from COL could be fearing for their political futures in 2020 providing an incentive to discuss such rumours with others thus spreading them.
  So part of Labour’s damage control would be to try and fasten the blame for such ‘dirty politics’ on to National.
  However there seem to be some media people such as Barry Soper who are not going to let this go away.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:43am
  - dubya
    
    For what it’s worth, the rumours appear to have been borne in Auckland ‘celebrity’ circles, hardly known for their links to the National Party.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:49am
    - KiWombat
      
      Try this – not Auckland – not celebrity circles either !!
      See page 28
      
      http://www.critic.co.nz/files/Critic-2012-20.pdf
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:21am
      - peterwn
        
        A job for Winston Smith. This issue of Critic needs to have some other article put on p28, the web version updated and a limited reprint with libraries asked to replace their current copies. No doubt a letter from Linda Clark to OUSA demanding this is on its way now, cc’d to Clare Curran of course.
        
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        May 3, 2018 9:35am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Just a thought, why didn’t Commissioner Bush come out with a clear statement that Chris Bishop had not been under investigation or charged for his Instagram issues?
    
    Or … is it damning that no Police Commissioner statement was issued to deny any investigation into the Swiss Ball incident that ended Darren Hughes’ career.
    
    Similarly, are we to believe that because no such Police Commissioner statement has been issued – that there are serious crimes at play in the Labour Youth Rape Camps fiasco and that criminal charges have been issued.
    
    All round it’s a very odd position for the Police to have taken and this adds to increasing concerns that the Police are well and truly off the reservation now.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:26am
    - BeaB
      
      Excellent comment.
      Note too that Darren Hughes is starting to pop up again. He was with Helen and Jacinda at the Topp Twins event in London.
      Perhaps they are lining him up for a new job back here.
      Pity we have long memories.
      
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      May 3, 2018 11:37am
      - sooty
        
        The son that Helen never had?
        
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        May 3, 2018 1:18pm
- redeye
  
  “Is it just a right-wing obsession with filth?”
  
  Cindy’s good mate Tom Scott;
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5Slaqe7c8
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:59am
- Harkman
  
  “Is it just a right-wing obsession with filth?”
  Um, ever heard of the left-wing?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:01am
- Evadne
  
  No, it’s just normal human love of gossip and rumour – the more scandalous and salacious the better.
  
  People gossip about their neighbours and celebrities alike – the more well-known the individual, the more widespread and ‘interesting’ it becomes.
  
  We see exactly the same thing in women’s magazines, the “life & style”and “entertainment”sections of the newspapers – even the “quality”magazines have gossip columns.
  
  There is no need to impute political motivation to what is natural (if not particularly admirable) human behaviour.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:02am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Well said Evadne… very true.
    
    But also the smoke/fire ratio needs to be seriously considered here… umm… maybe a Working Group should be established? Or are we having a conversation? It’s all so confusing….. 😀
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:59am
- KevOB
  
  It’s typical Labour politics. They are instinctively dirty as they are based on class hate, real or imagined. Any opportunity is seized by supporters to stick the knife in and if they can deceitfully have their mischief attributed to their targets so much the better.
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:51am
Simon

Ha ha ha Gayford. Labo and MSM put him front and centre to heavily promote Princess and now moaning that he holds no political office.

Snowflakes.
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- Nigel Kearney
  
  When monkeys on the left were flinging shit at Max Key on a daily basis, the media joined in rather than trying to shut it down as they are doing with Gayford.
  
  And Richard Harman was on TV this morning responding to baseless innuendo about Gayford with his own baseless innuendo that National were doing it.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:21am
  - oldpark
    
    Did he mention the lefty rapper who cut a song about raping John Key’s daughter. Bet he didnt. its all fine and dandy when the do it.Or even troll for dirt on John Key. Their guy called Mike Williams once was sent to Melbourne to troll for dirt on John Key.
    Not so long ago RNZ and TVNZ had at least six taxpayer funded employees trolling the Panama Papers looking for dirt on John Key.
    They even had outside help from a loser called Hager the Horrible. Lest we forget on who runs dirty politics in NZ. Nuff said.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:46am
  - Harkman
    
    Just last Friday on Seven days the words came up on the screen “embarrassing and painful” one of the (c-grade) comedians instantly said “Max Key” and everyone else laughed. So here’s the rules: you are allowed to cyber-bully a centre-right politicians family especially if they are in school or university. But the sleazy boyfriend of a lefty PM is off limits guys, even if he actively enters the political sphere. Those are the rules guys.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:09am
    - KevOB
      
      The PM’s boyfriend has entered the fray in his own right. His gratuitious comments about the Leader of the Opposition set the dogs lose.
      
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      May 3, 2018 11:55am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      That rich prick Key sent his spoilt kids to that fancy school Kings.
      Big deal made of it.
      But if anyone asked where Cunliffe (the wannabe PM at the time who lived in a seaside do-up cottage) sent his kids (Kings) there were howls of outrage.
      Politicians kids are absolutely off-limits -sometimes.
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:51am
  - Jack5
    
    Dirty politics accusations, allegations of a massive backlog of rape complaints … are these part of Labour-Green diversion tactics as the world economy turns sour?
    
    The biggest con is the transparent PR ploy of blackening petrol retailers to divert attention from new petrol taxes and pump prices that could soar over the next month.
    
    Labour-Green PR strategists have a near-captive mainstream media locked to the Left and it’s enthusiastically selling their propaganda.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:58am
    - Jack5
      
      The banks are anonther diversion.
      
      Telling “our” Australian banks – “prove you are innocent”. That’s in effect what Robertson is saying in asking the banks: “Tell us how you’re different from Australia”.
      
      If he had intelligent staff, surely they could quickly explain this to him.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12043691
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:09am
- KiWombat
  
  He began feathering his nest long ago – see end of page 28
  
  http://www.critic.co.nz/files/Critic-2012-20.pdf
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:51am
- realityczech
  
  “Ha ha ha Gayford. Labo and MSM put him front and centre to heavily promote Princess and now moaning that he holds no political office.”
  
  Gayford has been very high profile and overtly political. He has made himself a political figure and the usual considerations about leaving family out of politics do not apply here.
  
  For this reason I am deeply disturbed that we are now told that if we say anything unfavourable about Gayford there will be immediate legal action from his attack team of high priced lawyers.
  
  He wants to be a public political figure free from any criticism. This is the sort of thing that made North Korea the success it is today.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:25pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Jacob Quax adult real estate agent, in trouble for having marijuana and pointing an air gun at someone. Headline “Dick Quax’s son Jacob Quax facing gun and drugs charge” Ummmm I thought we were keeping politics and non political family members seperate, but they lead with the name Dick Quax in the headline, first statement, and the wrap up statements all about Dick Quax.. When I read gun and drugs charges in the headline I was thinking drug dealing meth and a gun with bullets. Not an air gun and possesion of pot. I will re write for the herald. “Jacob Quax facing airgun and marijuana posession charges.”
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:48pm
Justitia

The ethnic cleansing of our european heritage gathers pace. The Vice-Chancellor of Victoria University of Wellington wants to scrap the name because it’s “confusing”. But not to worry, he has a suitably indigenous name in his back pocket, something to do with a “waka”. Years ago I read William L Shirer’s “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” and was deeply puzzled and concerned how a country like Germany with its rich culture and history could be conned into believing Hitler’s lies about a “master race”. I am puzzled no more. Hitler was a pioneer of “political correctness”.
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May 3, 2018 8:16am
G152

But those sorts of comments were okay when it was the left attacking John Keys family.
Don’t recall the police getting involved then
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May 3, 2018 8:19am
- sooty
  
  The MSM are and were still involved in stirring the John Key pot, while fully supporting the dirty politics of the left. Now they are crying about Taxinda and clarkE. Talk about panties in a bunch, they are coming across all squeaky.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:58am
Chris R

I actually don’t care about any rumours which may be circulating about the PM’s boyfriend. I haven’t heard any nor do I wish to. I do observe that when you’ve only been PM for 28 weeks you ought be concerned that my boyfriend’s life and his doings are more important to the public than my leadership abilities. The rumours, no matter what they are, at least serve the purpose of revealing that the stardust has well and truly disappeared. Jacinda is nothing more than a sad embarrassment to us all.
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May 3, 2018 8:20am
- lifesgood
  
  If you hadn’t heard you must live in a bubble. It is now illegal to mention them however it is amusing to see that Clarke Gayford is the highest trending search on Twitter NZ at the moment. Streisand effect.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:42am
  - Chris R
    
    No bubble; just better things to do. I certainly won’t be following your lead to assess the “Streisand effect” against the PM’s boyfriend’s existence. Too boring, too pointless and nothing to do with me.
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:47am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yet you have mustered the energy and enthusiasm to write about the matter. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. 🙂
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:19am
      - Chris R
        
        I wrote about it for the singular reason that the presence of rumours illustrate how this “administration” no longer has a cake-walk to carry on as it chooses.
        
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        May 3, 2018 10:39am
  - MCos
    
    I don’t believe it’s illegal, is it?
    But you better be prepared to defend yourself if you get sued for defamation. That means proving that whatever you’ve said is correct, which is pretty difficult if it’s false.
    
    On the other hand there are countries where you can be penalized even if what you say is true.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:12am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘there are countries where you can be penalized even if what you say is true.’
      
      Yes, the ‘hate speech’ countries. This is what we really need to fear. Germany is back in that fascist mode with their network enforcement law: anything that *might be* hate speech has to be removed by social media to prevent gigantic fines. So anything anything might find offensive is simply removed, no court case, truth not considered.
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:12am
      - MCos
        
        I was thinking of countries such as Turkey, Cambodia or Malaysia where criticizing the leaders is an offense. Myanmar or Egypt where reporting inconvenient events can get you locked up. Thailand where insulting royalty can draw incredibly long prison sentences.
        
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        May 3, 2018 11:02am
- Inandout
  
  Even Richard Harman admitted the rumours had been circulating widely, and from both sides of the House. The internet means the lid cannot be kept closed on this matter, that is the way of the web.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    Pandoras box is well and truly open now.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:01am
  - peterwn
    
    He neglected to mention ‘and the Press Gallery’ assuming they were donkey deep in the rumours too.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:16am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Well all I can say is the rumours must be pretty serious, for the police to deny an ‘Active Criminal Investigation’, and for the Police Chief and Top-notch lawyers to get involved and threaten the public over….
  
  Obviously the backlash that recieves is infinitely lower than the ‘allegations’, and I am thinking that it is not necessarilly so clear cut, I mean they were obvious lies they logically speaking (and not based on the allegations per see) would not need to deny them, let alone threaten people not to circulate them….
  
  No they must be pretty murkey, personally I think they must think at least some people, not just some people, but that more people think that these allegations are true, than would think that the censorship is bad… And again this is just from a logical perspective…
  
  So whatever the allegations are, they must be pretty bad, and a lot of people must think they are credible… Food for thought!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:09am
  - KevOB
    
    Are we to now to distinguish between an ‘Active Criminal Investigation’ and an inactive or deactivated one? have the Police been imprudent in their speech?
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:00pm
- Harkman
  
  See what Hooton said on Twitter.
  “Two weeks ago I was told by a person close to PMO that there would be an attempt by @nzlabour, using the #dirtypolitics tag, to blame @NZNationalParty about the recent nonsense. And so it has transpired. @NZPCommissioner has done the right thing today. @jacindaardern hasn’t.”
  https://mobile.twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/991454040591552512
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:12am
  - Inandout
    
    Boy, the Labour worker bees have emerged all nasty on that Twitter article. And many are female, just as worker bees are. Worker bees are basically sterile, well they are described as ‘imperfect’, such as some Twitter account holders I’ll wager. Trying to destroy Hooton is their task.
    
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    May 3, 2018 11:14am
- stephieboy
  
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  Chris R,
  
  “..a sad embarrassment to us all.”
  
  “all”
  
  You mean alt right KB posters?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    You don’t count, you’re a half wit…not “all” there
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:49am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sqwawk!
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:29am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Sqwark alt right
    Galah
    
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    May 4, 2018 6:44am
Humble Capitalist

Watch for the signals everyone. There will be another clearly signalled game changer coming up soon with no mandate, no consultation and no cost analysis. Watch for the signals team, the signals!
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May 3, 2018 8:21am
- sooty
  
  Budget is in a couple of weeks. Will it be before then. Will Penny been evicted, distract everybody?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:04am
  - peterwn
    
    Even if the house sold tomorrow, settlement would not be for another month so any eviction would be well after the budget.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:19am
    - stigie
      
      Penny is not going anywhere because Penny said so.
      Someone is about to come along and pay her 11 years of rates and penalty’s.
      Its a rumor that i heard yesterday !~
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:27am
      - peterwn
        
        And ‘value capture charges’? Her house is not too far from the proposed tram.
        
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        May 3, 2018 10:56am
Holly Roggerz

Regarding the whole Clark Gayford scandal, not the ‘accusations’ or ‘rumors’ per see, but the way it is being handled, given that defamation is a civil and not a criminal matter is it not an issue of corruption, a violation of ones privileges of public offices for police resources to be diverted towards a Civil matter, if they are only being diverted due to ones Public Office?

And will this carry-on be extended to the supression of other ‘allegations’ or ‘rumours’ such as ‘misappropriations’ by various corrupt and despotic holders of public office Such as Clarre Curren, the overpayments to Jacinda Ardern, and repeat offender Winston Peters and the accused issuing of Electoral Propaganda in violation of Electoral Law in Christchurch by Dyson…

Will the police start issuing statements about these affairs, condemning any further public discord. After all untill a police prosecution it is just ‘slander’ and ‘defamation’. Am I to find that this over the coming weeks, months or years, that police condemnation turns into Midnight Police Raids on State Dissidents and Critics of the regime, I know that this is common place in many Socialist Regimes but are we really becoming the next Venezuella, and is it really happening that fast?

Is there no aspect of our society, our democracy that is safe, not the Elections, not our income, our private property, our businesses and national industries, our rights to conduct said business free from government interference or the rights of freedom of association and speeach and religion? Is this what it has come too?

Is there really no aspect of our society that these useless bludgers will not leave unmolested? And speaking of Molestation, it seems the police have little time to deal with the labour’s molestation camp accusations, and the potentially unlawfull serving of alcohol to minors, nor have they had time to investigate complaints of mass immigration fraud and other such associated alleged crimes like Electoral Fraud by Andrew Little as the then acting leader of the Labour Party… It seems they have a differing set of priorities… Or perhaps should I say a differing set of laws for the rulling class, and for everyone else, the peasentry, the prolateriat, the underclass or serfs, the deplorable masses?

And I am sure they (the police) will have plenty of time to ‘investigate’ those that speak ill of the current leadership, remember folks the allegations of sexual misconduct and unlawfully serving alcohol are baseless slander untill prosecuted by the police! So keep your mouths shut unless you want… What a Brave New World it is that we live in, in the quickly dieing Carcass of what was once such a great country!
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- stephieboy
  
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  Holly Roggerz,
  
  press the snooze button!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:24am
  - rangitoto
    
    So stephie supports a corrupt public service.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:14am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      But it’s OK when the left do it!
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:31am
- SGA
  
  Am I to find that this over the coming weeks, months or years, that police condemnation turns into Midnight Police Raids on State Dissidents and Critics of the regime, I know that this is common place in many Socialist Regimes but are we really becoming the next Venezuella, and is it really happening that fast?
  
  I guess time will tell – let’s give it a year and see whether you an enlightened prophet or suffering from a touch of hysteria?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:34am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Noo…no… SGA we know you are 100% onboard with the many, many ‘alleged’ crimes of the labour party, its a good strategy though, to hide each and every new ‘allegation’ of corruption with an even better and more scandalous ‘allegation’ of further criminality, corruption and degredation!
    
    A very intersting new strategy, very convenient how she is so regularly un-contactable, very convenient all these trips overseas aren’t they? Its a rather un-orthodox manner of public relations, and then to get up on stage and babble on about nothing in a manner which would even put Winston Peters to shame in terms of the ammount of words that comes out of her mouth and how little they mean!
    
    But uh, common now SGA we need not wait too see what a bunch of dictatorial and corrupt peoples these bludgers are, not if we are too go off of even 10% of the rumoured, ‘allegations’ of criminality and corruption and the like. How she is so reminiscint of the Dear leader of North Korea in the way that her Photo-opps at schools resemble the communist murals in NK schools, or the way that they are building a North Korean style cult of personality, and whatoff the destruction of the entire region of Taranaki for the sole crime of voting too strongly for national, draw any parallels to mugabbe demolishing opposition party supporters houses?
    
    And the 1bn dollar electoral bribery fund? Screaming 3rd world dictatorship enough for you? The class warfarism, the union labour reforms, shane jones marching up and down the country threatening this company and that company! Enough like a 3rd world dictatorship for you? We can go on and onn and on…
    
    And we will continue, and it will go on, and on, and on… And it will become increasingly obvious to the public the more this bad behaviour from the COL continues! And their position will become increasingly untenable!
    
    What is your standards for becoming a 2nd or 3rd world communistic dictatorship? Do we have to wait to we are starving, do we need to loose XX years of economic growth, or have our economy Decline by XY%, what exactly are your standards? Where exactly are your drawing the line comrade, I think we have crossed alot of lines already, and I think every day there will be a new line crossed and another step down the path of tyranny, dictatorship and communism!
    
    I think the first line was the unions appointing the former International Youth Socialist leader and representative to NZ, too serve as the face of the leadership of the Left Wing Labour-Union Movement….
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:04am
    - SGA
      
      SGA we know you are 100% onboard with the many, many ‘alleged’ crimes of the labour party, its a good strategy though, to hide each and every new ‘allegation’ of corruption with an even better and more scandalous ‘allegation’ of further criminality, corruption and degredation!
      
      omg – I’ve been exposed! I will have to contact my superiors for another assignment. Where’s my burner phone? 🙂
      
      I do appreciate the effort you putting in though – most trolls lack your dedication 🙂
      
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      May 3, 2018 10:10am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “Is there no aspect of our society, our democracy that is safe, not the Elections, not our income, our private property, our businesses and national industries, our rights to conduct said business free from government interference or the rights of freedom of association and speeach and religion? Is this what it has come too?”
  
  Exactly, this is what it is very quickly coming to. The naive idiots who can’t see this obviously know nothing about Scandinavian countries, Canada and Germany. These are good examples of the countries Taxinda admires and wants to imitate.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:19am
- Monique Watson
  
  Holly you are a treat and you nailed it!
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:52am
Steve (North Shore)

Wonder what todays’ lie will be – or is that something that we are not allowed to talk about?
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May 3, 2018 8:22am
holysheet

Two businessmen in the Westfield shopping centre were sitting down for a break in their soon-to-be new store. As yet, the store wasn’t ready, with only a few shelves set up. One said to the other, “I bet any minute now some pensioner is going to walk by, put their face to the window, and ask what we’re selling.” No sooner were the words out of his mouth when, sure enough, a curious old woman walked to the window, had a peek, and in a soft voice asked, “What are you selling here?” One of the men replied sarcastically, “We’re selling arseholes.” Without skipping a beat, the old woman said,“Must be doing well…Only two left.!”
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May 3, 2018 8:23am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet , difficulty this morning opening the lid on your canned jokes?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:26am
  - Random T Person
    
    At least his jokes are funny, unlike the one that is you.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:46am
- Dave Mann
  
  @holysheet: every time I see your handle now and realise there’s a joke on the way I smile in anticipation. Your jokes are gold! Cheers!
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Dave Mann,
    
    “gold”?
    
    Surely you mean pig iron?
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:26am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Same Dave Mann. I find myself scanning down the GD just to see Holy’s latest joke.
    
    And I get a double reward each time as I get to uptick Holy and down-tick the parrot
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:33am
oldpark

Recent negitave derogatory comments by NZs born to rule Politicians both enigmas Peters and Ardern against President Trump has cost NZs exporters many millions of dollars for NZ.
Ardern with her attention seeking childish comments regarding the colour of President Trumps hair colour,as well as her being singled out as the wife of Mr Trudeau. Not forgetting since those ill considerated comments Ardern has taken every opportunity to make many disparaging remarks about President Trump.
Recently she has been enjoined by NZs other enigma the conspiracy clown Peters. His recent
out of order comment regarding President Trump on the Nobel Prize and his eligibility was a low blow and an insult to the Democratically genuine elected President of the United States of America.
Peters NZs self elected Foreign Minister and a shiver looking for a spine to crawl up maybe his own maybe could qualify to lick President Trumps boots.
Now with the comments of him and her, our steel and aluminium exporters as well as the nation of NZ have got the bumbs rush from the Americans as a favoured country exempt from the 25% tariff imposed on our exports.
What an indictment of Two of NZs self styled and born to rule clowns . Ardern and Peters.
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May 3, 2018 8:23am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Also the Amazon tax, pehaps us trade officials take offense to the idea of countries making taxes called ‘insert large american company here’ tax…. Just saying… Just an idea… Don’t shoot the messanger!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:04am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I don’t think any name calling will both Trump, it’s a case of “who are you, again?” where JA and WP are concerned..BUT
  Reaction to Syria attack
  Russia spying response (considering we’re a member of 5 eyes)
  That may have got his attention.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:46am
holysheet

And just for stooooopidboy who wanted subtle…

An eyewitness to the prison massacre in Carolina, USA, described the dead bodies being stacked ‘like a macabre woodpile’.
Subtle…
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May 3, 2018 8:25am
- stephieboy
  
  holycrap?
  
  “woodpile” ?
  
  Like this ?
  
  http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/concentration-camp-liberators-reveal-their-silent-trauma/
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:27am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Galah!
    
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    May 4, 2018 7:07am
Viking2

And the Greenies will be pissed as drunken newts.
The Tiwai smelter is about to reopen the 4th potline that has been closed for 6 years. They also have a supply contract until 2030.

So no surplus electricity for their stupid electric cars.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/356365/tiwai-point-aluminium-smelter-to-restart-potline

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/extra-power-smelter-tiwai-deal

Hooray for good common sense.
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May 3, 2018 8:27am
- KevOB
  
  Turning NZ electricity into foreign exchange –>Good.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems some folks in Asia aren’t too concerned about sea-level rise.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/may/02/cities-from-the-sea-the-true-cost-of-reclaimed-land-asia-malaysia-penang-dubai
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May 3, 2018 8:31am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggy Wassilief , caring less about the fishermen losing their jobs and more about those who can buy expensive apartments.
  
  Of course sea lave rises are a climate change conspiracy ?,
  
  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/sea-level-rise/#close
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:29am
  - realityczech
    
    “the fishermen losing their jobs”
    
    stupidboy if the sea rises there will be more ocean and habitat for the fish. Fish stocks will boom and we can probably begin whaling again. It is a win/win for everybody.
    
    Sadly all the evidence is pointing towards a perfectly natural global cooling so we might have to wait.
    
    Here in NZ glaciers are growing and marching towards to ocean on the West Coast.
    
    Here is the science: https://www.victoria.ac.nz/news/2017/02/explaining-new-zealands-unusual-growing-glaciers
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Everyone seen our busy Prime Minister’s new Tourism promotion video?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/02/jacinda-ardern-asks-why-new-zealand-is-left-off-world-maps-in-new-tourism-campaign
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May 3, 2018 8:37am
- sooty
  
  Do you think she should better allocate her time? I would think she would have more important things to do.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:10am
  - Nev.
    
    As I do so I haven’t watched it.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Tourism is the jewel in the CoL’s economic development crown, due no doubt to it’s massive contribution to global CO2 emissions – about 2billion litres of jet fuel per year to transport all those tourists here and back (close to the amount of fuel used by NZ’s car fleet). One wonders if they actually believe any of their own climate change rhetoric, or perhaps they are just that stupid.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:29am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  No thankyou, one look at her is ghastly enough for me! No I will keep my sanity and what few marbles I have left thankyou very much…
  
  And if this is her fullfilling her promise to slash migration down by scaring off people then well, good on her for keeping at least one promise, because it surely has too be effective!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:14am
- mara
  
  Call me a snob but I have trouble with PMs who say “somethink.”
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:16am
  - calendar girl
    
    …. or ‘pardy’, ‘liddle’, ‘madder’, ‘bedder’, ‘seddle’ …….
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:46am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Me too! I always think that person is poorly educated.
    
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    May 3, 2018 4:26pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Poviddy
    
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    May 4, 2018 7:12am
- Duxton
  
  Of course, there may be some advantages in our not appearing on maps. For example, it might it harder for undesirables, such as cocaine smugglers, to get here.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:33pm
- realityczech
  
  She is a vain little bag of bones who simply wants to continue being promoted beyond her ability to promote hard left socialism globally. She is not concerned about us.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:36pm
Left Right and Centre

General debate has recently acquired talking points from an internal discussion and review session at the Ministry for Women.
One proposal forwarded to Julie Anne Genter is to counter the blatant sexism inherent in the predominantly male only ability to grow facial hair. NZ women will be encouraged to find alternative methods of expression, as demonstrated by ministry staffers who are setting the example . . .
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May 3, 2018 8:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  But many women can already grow mustaches, so I don’t really see a problem.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:07am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Yes, but not all of them. Therefore – a second proposal outlined will enable NZ women to apply for govt fully subsidised ‘I can’t believe it’s not facial hair’ face hair wigs, to promote equality, as demonstrated by this lady
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:18am
- holysheet
  
  You mean like this?
  
  https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/annalisa-800.jpg?w=800&h=600&crop=1
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:43am
  - Garbageman
    
    Strewth holy i know you like to humiliate stoopidboy but to put pics up are a step to far m8
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @LRC
  
  I have a friend who believes hairs on her lower leg are essential for proprioception.
  
  As I’m a bit of a clutz at the best of times, I’ve never noticed if my balance is enhanced or impaired depending on the hirsuteness of my lower legs.
  
  But I’m wondering if this is something you or your running mates are attuned to.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:04am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I don’t know what that word is so I can’t respond.
    I can’t speak for my running mates . . .
    If you do shave your legs, pulling on the lycra is like getting chewing gum out of hair.
    Respect, ladies.
    
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    May 3, 2018 3:50pm
VicParking

When I first retired I was waiting for a bulk withdraw from my Private super scheme to buy a house. Went to my Bank to get a bridging loan/mortgage as I had an opportunity to buy the house I wanted. Condition of the Loan was I had to cancel my Credit Card, with another bank, and Insure the new house with the their Bank.
They got the one finger salute.
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May 3, 2018 8:41am
- cmm
  
  That’s fairly common and is not without reason.
  
  When you’re given a loan they need to be able to assess your risk and the debt you have (including your credit card) is part of that.
  
  By also managing your credit card they have a way to control the debt risk (eg. how much you can borrow on your cc) and thus manage their risk.
  
  You are, of course, free to find someone who works differently.
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:58am
- KiWombat
  
  I had a similar thing happen to me about 40+ years ago Vic. I walked about 2 doors down the street to the next bank, had a loan approved after giving them all the details, then walked back to my bank to close my account with them. They changed their mind very quickly, and approved the loan within the hour !
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:02am
- mandk
  
  People should never pay the price on the ticket when dealing with their bank.
  
  My bank recently offered to re-fix my mortgage at 5.19%.
  
  When I threatened to take my business elsewhere, they came back with 4.65%.
  
  When I told them it still wasn’t good enough, they offered 4.39%.
  
  And when I told them that still wouldn’t do, they offered 4.19%, which was below what I was previously paying.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:37am
Lance

I see Mike Hosking has a comment piece in the Herald telling people like Gayford et al to ‘harden up’.
Then names the Dominion Post as A-grade bullshit artists.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12044063
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May 3, 2018 9:05am
Anne Glen Eden

The headline for Barry Soper has it right: “Labour orchestrated the events of the past 24 hours”

Winston has it right. “… the people behind it would be the people advantaged by it …”

“Jacinda Ardern’s … repeatedly telling us “this is not what my job is about and I’m focused on doing my job… even if she did at one point say it was dirty politics, making it political before later saying she wasn’t pointing the finger of blame at anyone.”

By not identifying the rumours by saying what they involve, they’ll simply be refuelled. The poacher turned Labour Party gamekeeper, former Press Gallery journalist Linda Clark’s part of the strategy, warning her former colleagues as a lawyer that if they say what the rumours are about, they’ll face legal action.

Trouble is, what Labour’s now left with is a rumour mill under full steam. So all the efforts to bury the issue … has simply resurrected it.”

Okay. So the essence of this is:

1. There’s nothing to talk about, beyond the normal gossip attaching to people with a social profile and that includes Clarke Gayford and all politicians.

2. Jacinda has made this ‘political’ by calling it ‘dirty politics’.

3. The Police have inexplicably chosen to break with normal convention to say that Clarke has never been charged with anything. “The police spin doctors are now saying the statement was from the police and not the Commissioner. If he didn’t sign it off, then the political impartiality of the police is even more compromised.”

4. “By not identifying the rumours by saying what they involve, they’ll simply be refuelled.

5. “…Former Press Gallery journalist Linda Clark’s part of the strategy, warning her former colleagues as a lawyer that if they say what the rumours are about, they’ll face legal action.”

6. “Labour’s now left with is a rumour mill under full steam… So all the efforts to bury the issue … has simply resurrected it.”

Exactly.

So who is ‘advantaged’ by keeping Labour in the spotlight of political publicity which they have specifically not only engineered but guaranteed to maintain over coming weeks? To the point of ‘compromising’ the political impartiality of the Police.

So who is ‘advantaged’ by painting themselves as ‘innocent victims’? So ‘innocent’ no-one is allowed to speak of the ‘rumours’ which everyone will now be searching for, secretly or they’ll face ‘legal action’, like greyhounds after a lure. This not only seeks to monopolise conversation but creates the usual ‘victim identity’ everyone is supposed to feel sorry for.

So who is ‘advantaged’ by insisting the alleged ‘rumours’ are ‘black ops politics’ – supposedly not pointing the finger at National – who are the only opposition party?

There’s only one group of people being advantaged by this fabrication of a ‘story’ – and it’s Labour/NZF, Jacinda, and Clarke – who desperately need both profile and a distraction from their faults, failures, and betrayed election promises, and who desperately need to paint National as attacking them personally.

This is difficult as Simon Bridges has studiously avoided that. So I suppose Labour just have to make it up and spin it.

Or more briefly, fictional rumours of unknown content, disclaimed by the Police, attributed to no-one, and forbidden to be discussed on pain of legal action – BUT only relevant if attributed to the political opposition who, while seen to have done nothing of the kind, are nevertheless implicated as ‘black ops aggressors’.

So who is ‘advantaged’?
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May 3, 2018 9:09am
- Nev.
  
  When is the adult Labour Party Groper going to be arrested and charged?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:12am
  - Lance
    
    What Labour grouper?… anybody seen to be talking about this will be sued.
    Dirty Politics
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:17am
  - KevOB
    
    The the fish shops all been searched?
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:19pm
  - KevOB
    
    Is Linda threatening action for defamation? Such threats are often used to shut down proper speech.
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:22pm
- stephieboy
  
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  ANd Barry Soper relies on assumption, guesswork and speculation?
  
  Right?
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:37am
  - sooty
    
    Also who shaved their beard off since the photo?
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:19am
- niggly
  
  Definitely a coordinated Labour hit as Soper points out – because it’s so obvious!
  
  Soper wrote yesterday that rumors reached fever pitch circulating within the MSM at the end of last week (note he said MSM – we at KB were NOT aware of any rumors being circulated at the end of last week eg no-one was gleefully hinting at them that I recall)?
  
  So did Labour spread some wild rumors themselves around the MSM, that were so outrageous even the likes of right-wing Larry Williams was dismissive of these rumors being true?
  
  Did Labour then force the Police Commissioner to release a statement, ON THE SAME DAY as a legal firm released a statement to MSM threatening legal action against anyone repeating these “rumors” (whatever it was)? What a coincidence – it looks and smells like coordinated action!
  
  The Jacinda is briefed to drop in the phrase “dirty politics” to link it back to National, then out of no-one after not being seen or heard this year (unless he was overseas) up pops Winston Peters to yet again infer it was …. who else but cough, cough, National?!!!
  
  Looks like the Labour Party Exec (H2 and crowd) had a cunning plan – trouble is Kiwis (and the worlds media) who never paid any attention to any rumors in the past must be wondering what’s really going on!
  
  Anyway let’s hope for Clark’s sake all these rumors were never true – trouble is when he was interviewed in various publications before he became famous he certainly had a “reputation” that on the face of it could have helped further more of the later rumors!
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:04am
Nev.

I bought a pie the other day in Otaki, $3.00. Imagine my shock when I stopped in Taupo and bought the same flavour pie and it cost me $5.00.
I demand an inquiry into this, perhaps Jacinda can summons the pie makers to parliament for a discussion?
Nev.
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May 3, 2018 9:09am
- Lance
  
  You have just confessed to eating 2 pies in one day.
  The food Nazi’s have you now.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Nev could have been buying the pies for someone else.
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:25am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Meanwhile, our favorite Australian ex-pat continues his search for meat pies in Japan.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDl2jYYgcI
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:27am
    - stigie
      
      Rumor has it Nev scoffed both pies !~
      
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      May 3, 2018 9:46am
      - Lance
        
        Better be careful, you might be sued
        
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        May 3, 2018 9:49am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In Taupo, the humble pie must compete with a range of other foods from around the world. One way to do this is to carry a higher price, to give the impression of higher quality. Besides, the tourists don’t care.
  
  In Otaki, on the other hand, the pie must compete with local toasted sandwiches, and the only option is a price war.
  
  There is a Masters thesis out there on the topic of traditional Kiwi baked goods and their survival strategies against Asian arrivals.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:21am
  - RalphT
    
    Masters? I’m sure the social scientists in one of fine universities would think this worthy of a PhD, plus a post doctoral research contract. (I’d volunteer to be one of the guinea pigs needed for the tasting.)
    
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    May 3, 2018 9:45am
  - Dave Mann
    
    A masters thesis?
    
    Surely we’re not allowed to use sexist language like this at our universities any more?
    
    I think you must mean a wise brown transgender leader’s thesis.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:33am
- MCos
  
  You ate two identical pies in four hours?
  These are certainly desperate times we live in.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:34am
- MH
  
  body mass index formula for configuration of standard kiwi male profile is Pie arse squared.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:57am
SGA

For crying out loud Liverpool, I have enough grey hairs already.

Still, bring on Real Madrid 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 3, 2018 9:14am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It’d be awesome for Liverpool to win, but unlikely because of two factors:
  1) Real can’t help but win the big games, they more or less own the Champions’ League
  2) Liverpool have been perfecting the art over the past decade of ‘failing at the last hurdle’, League Cup, Europa Cup, EPL
  
  My pick = Real +2
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:39am
  - SGA
    
    Let’s just say that I will live in hope rather than expectation 🙂
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:51am
Than

Question for the lawyers of Kiwiblog – how could a defamation case again media reporting exactly what the Gayford rumours are possibly succeed, provided the evidence against them/lack of evidence for them was clearly and prominently pointed out?

It is a true, factual statement that there have been rumours about Gayford for some time. Specific rumours were being passed around, and the media presumably have sources verifying what was being said. So provided they are not given credence, how is that possibly defaming? It would be simple statements of objective fact. It may make Gayford and Ardern uncomfortable and embarrassed, and no doubt they don’t want the specifics out in public, but surely that is not by itself sufficient to be defamation?

A couple of people have already mentioned the Streistand Effect, and I completely agree it applies here. The way this has been reported so far could not have incited people’s curiousity any better if they tried.
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May 3, 2018 9:15am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The irony.
  It is true that there have been malicious lies…
  
  I can see the principle of “throw enough mud” at work here.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:24am
- Philview
  
  Several people I have spoken to only found out about this yesterday. Winston has reappeared to make accusations about the National Party. I think Stuff called this an unprecedented low point in New Zealand politics. The National Party are getting a kicking in the media for this with no means of defence.
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:08am
- KevOB
  
  It could be considered in the context too of the reported phantom grope and a boozy youth weekend.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:25pm
Harkman

Every day under this mob is a day closer to complete ruin.
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May 3, 2018 9:22am
NewInoffensiveName

I just heard a bit on RNZ where David Parker expressed his puzzlement and dismay at the USA’s decision to leave NZ aluminium and steel off the list of exempted countries. This false ignorance is typical of the COL, many of which have gone out of their way to insult the USA and its President, including direct insults by the Princess to Trump’s face and our refusal to vote with them in the UN on the question of a USA embassy in Jerusalem. Vote against the USA and spit in its face and then you are surprised when trade deals don’t go your way? Duh!!!
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May 3, 2018 9:28am
- MCos
  
  ‘Vote against the USA’
  
  I read that Trump is making threats against countries that don’t support the US bid to hold the FIFA World Cup. Is that what you’re talking about?
  Apart from that I’m unaware of any other way we could be voting against the the USA.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:41am
  - mandk
    
    You are not aware of any other way NZ voted against the USA. Seriously?
    
    How about this for starters?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11964452
    
    It was none of our business where the USA locates it embassy in Israel, and voting against it only gave succour to the Islamic terrorists.
    
    No wonder POTUS has no time for NZ.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:02am
    - MCos
      
      Well there you are.
      I got that wrong didn’t I!
      
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      May 3, 2018 11:08am
- calendar girl
  
  Interest to know what was your “OldOffensiveName”!
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:00am
MrLovebucket

I see the Government wants to force rents up and make housing less affordable. I predict this will lower the quality of housing stock, considerably.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/property-investors-lose-out-as-government-ends-negative-gearing.html

Technically this is introducing yet another TAX. Landlords will now have to pay more in TAX under this rule that they previously would have.
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May 3, 2018 9:43am
- Poppa
  
  The question is, why are landlords different to any other business?
  
  So the nett effect of this will be, if the landlord cannot use a tax loss they won’t make one. They will get more income to make sure that they break even.
  
  Well done Labour you have granted all landlords permission to put up rents
  
  By the way, how many responses did Robbo get to his petty little pimp request? Obviously not many
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:04am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    I guess the devils advocate position on this is that landlords should pay tax on any profit they make if/when they eventually sell the house.
    
    Currently, a mum and dad landlord can take advantage of the negative gearing AND get a tax free profit if they decide to sell the house 3 years later for $100k more.
    
    Still, the government should be encouraging mum and dad landlords in the current climate and this will end up biting the govt at the ballot box.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:19am
  - KevOB
    
    Landlords will have no choice but to put up rents. Cash doesn’t come out of thin air.
    Smaller landlords typically have marginal rents to outgoings and for many its negative. They tolerate that because they loss is set off against other assessable income and there is a hope of a long term capital gain.
    
    A baby government spits another dummy. Sack them.
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:04pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Again Poppa the Fool Factor is even more dominant while they continue to miss the serious effect this has on their own goals but rather making another own goal. Another significant effect is how it will deter the biggest provider of rentals. The mom and dad investors. They are looking to maximise their hard won savings to provide a buffer for the future. It is highly likely any investment advisor will rank rental property investment much lower on any option list they would suggest. The COL will never se the true cause and effect of their drive to more tax gathering which now more much more blatant while still struggling to be seen beyond salacious, juicy celebrity rumours.
    
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    May 3, 2018 3:12pm
Anne Glen Eden

In the meantime, back in the UK, you really could not make up the extent to which the world has lost all touch with reality. Labour is having a little problem – some women fight back.

In a resignation letter sent to The Times, 10 women, including a former member of the party’s national constitutional committee, wrote:

“We are dismayed at the Labour Party’s support for sex as a self-identified characteristic for all-women shortlists. We now face a situation in which any man can simply claim to be a woman and be included on all-women shortlists. Sex is not a self-defined characteristic and it is disingenuous for Labour to pretend that it is. Self-identity, ‘I am what I say I am’, reeks of male authority and male supremacy.

It is for that reason that we, alongside 300 other women, are resigning from the Labour Party today.”

But transgender campaigners hit back saying believing yourself to be a female should be enough to qualify for an all-women shortlist. A statement by an equalities sub-group of Labour’s ruling national executive committee previously said:

“The Labour Party recognises the vital importance of self-definition for the trans community. The Labour Party continues to have an inclusive definition of women. All-women shortlists and women’s reserved places are open to self-defining women.”
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May 3, 2018 9:48am
Fletch

Great. Now SJW writers are ruining The Phantom. In the latest Swedish language issue, the Phantom uses a rainbow flag to strike down a “Polish nationalist” protester at a gay parade.

Armed with a gay pride flag on a flagpole, the Phantom attacks the nationalists after declaring: “I have to act quickly before blood flows on the streets!”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/05/02/comic-hero-popular-sweden-mocked-fighting-polish-nationalists-gay-pride-flag/

In Swedish –

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/fantomen-skyddar-pride-slar-ner-nationalister/
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May 3, 2018 9:58am
sooty

All new zealand chournlist are crap. So says taxinda, because she got interviewed by Gin Wigmore, instead of any of them. Who is he, you say, who cares. It’s just deflection, so you don’t ask questions about the rumours!
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May 3, 2018 10:01am
Hugh Pavletich

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AUSTRALIA: Property ‘Minksy moment’ builds as ponzi-borrowers can’t refinance – MacroBusiness
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/property-minksy-moment-builds-ponzi-borrowers-cant-refinance/

Here comes the interest-only crunch, via AFR:

Mortgage brokers, who act as intermediaries between lenders and borrowers, claim lenders are “throttling back” amid increased pressure from regulators and fear of exposure by the Hayne royal commission. … read more via hyperlink above …

Number of troubled households seeking to refinance loans doubles | afr.com
… behind paywall …

http://www.afr.com/real-estate/number-of-troubled-households-seeking-to-refinance-loans-doubles-20180502-h0zjjq

Is Australia’s Housing Boom (Finally) Coming to an End? – WSJ
… behind paywall …

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-australias-housing-boom-finally-coming-to-an-end-1525202112

… extract …

… Other forecasters are less sanguine. “In contrast with others in the market who view the worst as [being] behind us, we expect prices to fall further throughout 2018, as credit availability is tightened further and a stretched consumer reassesses the property outlook,” wrote Morgan Stanley in a report late last month.

A nervous Australian banking system is watching the market closely. The volume of outstanding residential mortgages crossed the $1.5 trillion Australian dollar mark (US$1.12 trillion) in December, 2015, compared with less than A$400 billion in 2000, according to Deloitte Australian Mortgage Report. In 2016, total new lending, including refinancing, was A$384 billion, the same as in 2015, the report said.

At the same time, the efforts by Australian authorities to regulate home values have lessons for other global markets struggling with issues of affordability and what appear to be untethered price hikes. All of Australia’s five major housing markets are listed as “severely unaffordable” by research firm Demographia, which ranks Sydney as the world’s second least affordable city, trailing only Hong Kong. … read more via hyperlink above …

… AND NEW ZEALAND … Access extensive posts by Pavletich on MavroBusiness Australia threads …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-2-may-2018/#comment-3096761

Despite immigration pullback, NZ housing shortage worsens – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/despite-immigration-pullback-nz-housing-shortage-worsens/
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May 3, 2018 10:07am
- sooty
  
  Piss off hugh stop touting for business.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:15am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Kiwi vs Kangaroo: Are New Zealand banks different to scandal-hit Australian banks? | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/103550881/kiwi-vs-kangaroo-are-new-zealand-banks-different-to-scandalhit-australian-banks
    
    Claire Matthews: Does NZ need a banking Royal Commission? – NZ Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503459&objectid=12043669
    
    Union calls for Royal Commission into NZ banking practices | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1805/S00028/union-calls-for-royal-commission-into-nz-banking-practices.htm
    .
    .
    Google search ‘Australia Banking Royal Commission’ …
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=rDfqWr2eGMWz0ATMp4l4&q=australia+banking+royal+commission&oq=australia+banking+royal+commission&gs_l=psy-ab.13..
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:33am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … EXPECT A NEW ZEALAND BANKING ROYAL COMMISSION TOO …
      
      Kiwi banks must be transparent if they are to avoid Aussie parents’ trust issues … Patrick Smellie OPINION … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/103566141/kiwi-banks-must-be-transparent-if-they-are-to-avoid-aussie-parents-trust-issues
      
      … concluding …
      
      … But they are no surprise in the New Zealand banking sector, which has been bracing for months for just such an outcome.
      
      Why else would applicants for a government relations manager’s role with one of the big four banks have been told their primary task would be preparing for a banking inquiry?
      
      Nor are the behaviours in question a surprise to senior New Zealand bankers.
      
      In private, they are happy to complain about the pressure they say they regularly fend off from Sydney or Melbourne to pursue new business in ways that are too aggressive for the New Zealand market.
      
      Self-preservation from the wrath of head office has prevented them saying any of that in public, but the pressure now may be such that they will have no choice.
      
      The reality for banks operating in New Zealand has long been that while they may not be loved, they have never been held in the sort of entrenched low esteem that prevails in Australia.
      
      However, unless New Zealand banking leaders are brave enough to transparently differentiate and prove that they are resisting the habits of their Australian owners, they risk the same dog-box status on this side of the Tasman too. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      Kiwi vs Kangaroo: Are New Zealand banks different to scandal-hit Australian banks? | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/103550881/kiwi-vs-kangaroo-are-new-zealand-banks-different-to-scandalhit-australian-banks
      
      Union calls for Royal Commission into NZ banking practices | Scoop News
      
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1805/S00028/union-calls-for-royal-commission-into-nz-banking-practices.htm
      
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      May 4, 2018 2:21am
Biscuit

I, Biscuit, wish to apologise to the populace for blinding their eyes as I stroll about town today with a dazzlingly-white toothy grin and a dazzlingly-red Liverpool FC jersey!

I couldn’t care less if folk cross the street to avoid me and I have to ‘walk alone’, ha!
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May 3, 2018 10:10am
- Happychappy
  
  All the best for the final Biscuit they have beaten some very good teams to get there and it can only be good for English football with the way they have played.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:10pm
Fletch

In case you missed it, after 108 years the Boy Scouts are now allowing girls to join and so they are changing their name to just ‘Scouts BSA’ (even though I assume BSA stands for Boy Scouts of America).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-boy-scouts-name-change-20180502-story.html

Whatever happened to the Girl Scouts? Not good enough for them?
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May 3, 2018 10:11am
- Lance
  
  Probably more about dwindling numbers and needing more subs.
  There are girls at Southland Boys High now for some classes.
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:46am
  - dime
    
    that happened at kelston boys in the early 90s. not often but it did happen
    
    as for the scouts – well done feminists. destroyed another evil male organisation woo
    
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    May 3, 2018 11:48am
- MH
  
  Birmingham Small Arms Coy-Bren gun etc
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:03am
stephieboy

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These young children sure know how to create joy out of their so-called “ shit holes”

”Nigerian Dancing Kids Viral Video (DreamCatchers) – Nowo || DjSpnall Ft. Wizkid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vemML5tHNzQ
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May 3, 2018 10:15am
- Manolo
  
  “so-called”? Really?
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo, now what does your Trump describe such a place?
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:35am
- simpleton1
  
  All sounds good, make the most of things, and good on them.
  
  Just forget about Michelle Obama and the supposed awareness success of “#bringbackourgirls” and then many others are still being kidnapped raped and enslaved into ‘shithole’ ownership as decreed by Mohammad in his rambling rants.
  
  https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-03-16/bringbackourgirls-was-mistake
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:36am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I agree the children in this shithole country are very good at dancing.
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:25pm
- simpleton1
  
  Dancing around problems, yeah right!! Yesterday.
  
  https://apnews.com/7eddb5b989f14e1d99e22c318af410b8
  President Muhammadu Buhari met with U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House and discussed the threat from the Nigeria-based Boko Haram extremist group. Its fighters were quickly blamed for Tuesday’s blasts………
  ………second time in six months that dozens have been killed in an attack on a Mubi mosque. In November, a teenage suicide bomber attacked worshippers as they gathered for morning prayers, killing at least 50 people in one of the region’s deadliest assaults in years……..
  
  Trump would call this a murderous place! and certainly see it as a threat.
  Sounds dreadful, but others seem to see it as a peaceful place to dance happily.
  The shibboleth verses, found in the koran, hadith, sura etc.that still murderously claims the peaceful duties of killing the ‘unbeliever?’
  Will the wonderful peaceful billions of muslims ever deny the murderous, rapist, thieving Mohammad, and cleanse their books of his guidance to violence?
  
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  May 3, 2018 2:43pm
Manolo

Trump attacks:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/02/trump-rips-mueller-probe-for-setup-trap-after-subpoena-warning-revealed.html

President Trump decried the latest tactics in the special counsel’s Russia probe as a “setup & trap” after it emerged that Robert Mueller suggested to Trump’s legal team that he could subpoena the president to appear before a grand jury if he refuses an interview with investigators.
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May 3, 2018 10:23am
Manolo

The soon-to-arrive hag makes the joke of the year:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-being-a-capitalist-probably-hurt-me-in-primary-because-many-democrats-are-socialists

Hillary Clinton claimed Wednesday that declaring herself to be a “capitalist” during the 2016 presidential primaries may have hurt her with Democratic voters.

“It’s hard to know but I mean if you’re in the Iowa caucuses and 41% of Democrats are socialists or self-described socialists, and I’m asked ‘Are you a capitalist?’ and I say, ‘Yes, but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability.’ You know, that probably gets lost in the ‘Oh my gosh, she’s a capitalist!’” Clinton concluded, partly referring to the popularity of her primary rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders who ran as a self-declared democratic socialist.
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May 3, 2018 10:28am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo , and Trump’s rust belt supporters are true red Republicans?
  
  LOL
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:36am
  - Manolo
    
    Don’t know, don’t care. The only thing that matters is that the hag got her comeuppance.
    
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    May 3, 2018 10:39am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Ha typical socialist response, ‘it failed because of a lack of socialism’, its the excuse they use for every socialist failed state, for every over-regulated failed industry (such as housing in NZ or healthcare in the USA), and now it’s the excuse they use when they loose elections!
  
  Hahaha….. Oh you just can’t make up this ‘stuff’ that these socialists come up, seriously where do they get these ‘people from?’
  
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  May 3, 2018 10:58am
  - GoVege
    
    Nothing wrong with a nice blend of capitalism moderated with socialism. ..
    
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    May 3, 2018 11:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Gavin Ellis predicts more trolling
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/356502/success-of-attack-will-encourage-further-trolling
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May 3, 2018 10:53am
- Jack5
  
  Gavin Ellis, a former editor of the Hooerald, included this in the Radio NZ article to which Maggy linked:
  
  Social media providers – who can trace every byte that passes through their servers – should be required to demand identifying registration.
  
  Then a court order could reach behind the rocks and extract the trolls by the scruff of their hairy necks.
  
  Ellis carries Establishment weight. He uses the honorific “Dr,” which was granted on his thesis on “the potential of trusts to enhance the quality of journalism”. Ellis is the regular Red Radio media-comment guru, and he was awarded an OBE in 2015 for “services to journalism”.
  
  But, with respect, I suggest the typical 13-year-old computer gamer knows more about internet security than Ellis does.
  
  Does Ellis really think “social media providers” can demand “identifying registration”? Does he mean photo-ID? Birth certificates? Or, like our daily newspapers, just a postal address and perhaps a phone number?
  
  Ellis’s broad suggestion would not be financially feasible to enforce.
  
  Can his idea of tight registration ever be fully effective? This is the age of Tor Browser and other internet stealth tools. Even national security services are stretched watching the net.
  
  When a team of fuckwits like Kiwiblog’s Stephiestanis can cloak their identity from thousands, Ellis’s suggestion is impracticable.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Jack5
    
    Interesting comments.
    
    I find it ever fascinating that when the sleazy trolls are challenged here, they slip away or come up with some pathetic excuse for their behaviour.
    
    Mary Beard flushed a couple of her abusive trolls and they turned out to be sad sacks indeed.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/troll-slayer
    
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    May 3, 2018 5:52pm
Dave Mann

I have a genuine question about these Clarke Gayford rumours.

What are they exactly? Can somebody here say what they are? What is he suspected of?

I’m not trying to stir up difficulty for our excellent host…. but if it has got to the stage where the bloody police commissioner is involved, surely its not defamation to at least report on what the rumours are? By saying that ‘people have been saying xyz’, this is not defaming the guy. It’s simply reportage of what has been going on, no?
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May 3, 2018 11:03am
- Inandout
  
  DM, do a bit of web searching.
  
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  May 3, 2018 11:15am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I have searched… but I think the only way to get to the bottom of this is to access the Dark Web – and I don’t want to blow up my phone! 😀
    
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    May 3, 2018 11:22am
    - BeaB
      
      I agree that we should be told what the rumours are.
      It is hardly defamation to report on what people may be saying.
      I think the way this had been handled has made matters worse. I have no idea what he is accused of but if the police could be involved then it must be serious.
      He is a TV personality and clearly a media darling so does that give him a free pass?
      He or the PM should tell us the full story or shut up.
      
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      May 3, 2018 11:42am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes, exactly!
        
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        May 3, 2018 12:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        BeaB,
        
        “He or the PM should tell us the full”?
        
        Carry on. Lets here more?
        
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        May 3, 2018 1:28pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        If the PM told you what the rumours are, would you believe her given her history of porkies?
        
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        May 3, 2018 3:02pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      You are not trying hard enough, it is quite easy
      
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      May 3, 2018 3:04pm
- Nev.
  
  The rumour is simply that he has been under police investigation for specific things, and that he is facing court and perhaps jail time for the supposed offences.
  Now that the Police, Labour, and a lawyer have come out categorically denying it, we can all go back to pointing and laughing at Penny.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:07pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Specific things?
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:21pm
    - Nev.
      
      Refer my Auckland Glitterati post at the end of yesterdays GD. Not that I am saying Gaylord is involved.
      Nev.
      
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      May 3, 2018 12:25pm
    - Fletch
      
      Check GD April 3rd…
      
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      May 3, 2018 1:40pm
- Happychappy
  
  Dave Linda Clark has sent Letters out to all media outlets threatening them with the court if was not stopped.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:16pm
Anne Glen Eden

I daresay this won’t be popular but I suppose it was too much to hope for that the retrieval of bodies from Pike River could take place with some dignity.

To begin with, a roomful of experts have now stated it is possible to safely enter the mine to retrieve the bodies. I will be delighted for the families if they get their bodies back – even if it’s only ashes – and have never been motivated by a desire for further witch hunts, notwithstanding that the refusal to do this up to now has always indicated to me that some people believe there is something to be found there.

However, that had to be followed by a statement that the Police will enter the mine as well to retrieve forensic evidence about what caused the blast and retrieve any remains.

Given the current juvenile kerfuffle about Clarke Gayford which prompted Soper’s comments that “the political impartiality of the police is even more compromised” – reflected also in Hosking’s “That is a shocking precedent for a body that is [supposed to be] independent of the government”, how can it possibly be appropriate for the Police to be doing the forensic evidence gathering at Pike River – which is a great deal more serious.

It’s the Police who prevented entry into Pike River on health & safety grounds, and the rescue of the men. It’s the Police who have already investigated and decided not to prosecute anyone for their deaths. If they’re prepared to be influenced, or seen to be influenced, politically by something as trivial as Gayford, what hope is there for maintaining their independence, or being seen to be independent, in Pike River.

They could suffer from very torn priorities. On the one hand, no evidence at all would be great. On the other, evidence that all the men were dead after the first blast could be used to justify their decision at the time. On another one, I’m certain the current government would love it if they could find something to beat National over the head with and if the Police are prepared to be politically compromised, they could be seen to be going along with it.

The only appropriate course of action is for professional/experts in the various tasks to be employed in all aspects of the exercise who are completely independent of any the previous participants, especially if there is going to be any ‘evidence gathering’.
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May 3, 2018 11:44am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Well SGA was criticizing me for suggesting enemies of the regime might start dissapearing if things continue on the present course, well what does Andrew Little as head of the Ministry of the Pike River Mine Rentry orchestrating police to gather evidence look like?
  
  I am sure it doesn’t look like an attempt to gather ‘evidence’ for the prosecution of current and former opposition party members does it? Nor would he as minister of justice arrange swift justice? Just like he did not arrange an aquital for his defamation case? By the way that wasn’t a conflict of interest, being appointed Minister of Justice while he had a High Court Case pending?
  
  Well we will see, by the way is the deputy prime minister still sueing the opposition to recover ‘dammages’ for his alleged benefit fraud to which he (fact) had to pay back to MsD? Maybe they will just skip the trial? Due process seems to be something that Shane Jones, Winston Peters et.al.. have trouble with, remeber the PSA response to Shane Jones!
  
  Remember Shane Jones response, along the lines of ‘its not procedure but who gives a damn’! Or his fighting with CEOs of various state and otherwise private companies? I suppose we better not talk to much about this or after all the Police Chief might come out with lawyers from the Labour party (presumably paid by parliamentary services) telling us it’s ‘defamation’?
  
  I suppose all criticism of them will be ‘Defamation’, maybe winston peters will also sue for ‘Dammages’…. Afterall if he doesn’t get 20% in the next election it must be because of things we say online, and his party members deserve compensation for lost income!
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Well SGA was criticizing me for suggesting enemies of the regime might start disappearing if things continue on the present course…”??
    
    Early onset paranoia.
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:29pm
- mandk
  
  If I might correct you: a roomful of experts have theorised that it might be possible to safely enter the mine and retrieve the bodies.
  
  That’s a long way from having a safe and practical plan.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:35pm
- KevOB
  
  There has been plenty of expert opinion already that building a closed mine on a known fault producing gas was a recipe for danger and disaster. The situation is known worldwide and needs no further risk assessment.
  
  What is going to be the legal situation if there is a further explosion? Experts can always be found. Who pays if wishing thinking wins over prudence?
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:19pm
Sideoiler

Tania Shailer and David Haerewa, who were convicted of manslaughter over the death of three-year-old Moko Rangitoheriri, have had an appeal against their sentences rejected.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/03/tania-shailer-david-haerewa-appeals-dismissed-over-moko-conviction.html
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May 3, 2018 11:49am
alex Masterley

The Pike river main shaft is 2300 metres.
Putting that in perspective, from an Auckland point of view, that is roughly the distance from the Dominion Road/Valley road intersection to the intersection of Landscape Road and Dominion road.
It would be amusing to ask Mr Peters, or Mr Little for that matter to walk that route in full underground gear with breathing equipment, just to show us they can walk the walk instead of talking the talk.
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May 3, 2018 11:55am
- Nev.
  
  They could do us all a favour and go in sans breathing equipment.
  Nev.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:02pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Well if they cant walk the whole distance they could always build a Tram, whats a few billion dollars for that? Consider it practice for Dominion Road! Plus it would provide employment and enhance public transportation in the area!
  
  Kind of a package deal, hit two birds with one stone and that type of thing! Plus tourists love trams!
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:16pm
  - Jack5
    
    Holly Roggerz suggests for entry “they could always build a Tram.”
    
    C’mon Holly, this is a Labour-Green government.
    
    “Build a tram?” The Left choice is light rail or a bike track.
    
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    May 3, 2018 4:05pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  To put that in further perspective, there are thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of people who regularly walk/run 6000 metres every/most day(s) – although admittedly not in ‘full underground gear with breathing equipment’ – certainly in my neighbourhood, including me at times.
  
  But then, the news that I saw specifically mentioned a process ending with flooding the mine with breathable air. This has all been made both too little and too much of by those with vested interests.
  
  The sooner it’s done and over with, the better.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:17pm
  - Nev.
    
    As soon as they pump oxygen in there the place is going to go up like one of NKs testing sites. I wouldn’t want to risk my life on it.
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:57pm
  - KevOB
    
    Unfortunately the mine is an undergound gas producer.
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:23pm
- mandk
  
  The drift is uphill, so Winston would need to stop for a fag.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:31pm
- Komata
  
  alex M
  
  Re: ‘The Pike River main shaft is 2300 metres’
  
  Umm actually no. The main access route into the Pike River operation is via a horizonal tunnel known as an ‘Adit’ (Defined as a: ‘Blind Horizontal opening into a mountain with only one entrance’. (1)). It is not a ‘Shaft’, a construction which is defined as a: ‘Primary vertical…opening through mine strata used for ventilation or drainage and/or for hoisting of personnel or materials; connects the surface with underground workings. (2). Put very simply; Adits go ‘along’, Shafts go ‘down’.
  
  It’s a small point but in the context of the narrative, an important one.
  
  2,300 metres BTW is 7,545 feet; a depth that no (vertical) mine shaft in New Zealand ever attained..
  
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  1. ‘Kentucky Coal Education’ [online] http://www.coaleducation.org/glossary.htm#S [Accessed 3 May 2018], s.v. Adit
  2. ‘Kentucky Coal Education’ [online], http://www.coaleducation.org/glossary.htm#S [Accessed 3 May 2018], s.v. Shaft.
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:07pm
Fletch

For anyone interested, the first two episodes of Cobra Kai (the 10 episode internet series which is a sequel to the Karate Kid movies) are online FREE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rB36UGoP4Y

The series stars the original two protagonists Johnny and Daniel. Unfortunately, one has to subscribe to see the other episodes. It’s pretty damn good though, IMHO.
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May 3, 2018 12:07pm
Lance

So how much money has the Pike River carry on cost, and how much more is it going to cost?

Could we save money and give all the Pike River families $10M each instead?

This is all just the strangest trainwreck I have ever seen.
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May 3, 2018 12:17pm
- mandk
  
  About $25 million just for the operation of the PRRA.
  
  Any work to go in and recover whatever human remains there might be will incur added costs.
  
  And just to think that this could all have been avoided if the Greens hadn’t objected to an open cast mine, and if Andrew Little (in his former capacity as a Union boss) hadn’t glossed over safety issues.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:29pm
Nev.

The question is, now that we know the rumours are not true, it surely can’t be considered against the law to discuss the substance of them, as long as we don’t allege that Gayford is guilty or involved in any way? Now we are just discussing the nature of the rumours, not who is allegedly involved.
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May 3, 2018 12:42pm
- realityczech
  
  But I don’t know what the rumours are so I am too afraid to say anything at all! I don’t even know what it is the Police are not investigating. Or what the high priced law firm was not acting for.
  
  It is all very confusing. I wish Gayford would just tell us what we can’t say.
  
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  May 3, 2018 12:53pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    It involved felching straws, a native pigeon and 100L of soy milk.
    
    Or so I’ve heard, via the rumour mill
    
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    May 3, 2018 12:58pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc,”.. tell us what we can’t say?
    
    You can just busy yourself and do some fact and evidence gathering and keep us updated.
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @rc
    It would seem we are moving out of Orwellian times and entering the Kafkaesque Age.
    
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    May 3, 2018 2:37pm
  - milkmaid
    
    The government will issue lists of Approved/Unapproved conversational topics forthwith.
    
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    May 3, 2018 3:19pm
- MH
  
  could end up with a bad case of rumourtoids.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:31pm
Captain Mainwaring

Another innocent person killed by someone on bail.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12044237

Are you reading this Mr. Lille?
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May 3, 2018 1:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sorry, Little.
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:12pm
- Inandout
  
  On bail, what an arsehole.
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:16pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The judge who gave him bail : what an arsehole.
    There, fixed.
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:27pm
  - sooty
    
    Why is the MSM still promoting Angry for a month. Is he preparing for a takeover while the Commie chick is flat on her back?
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:39pm
    - Inandout
      
      Well, yes he is. Do you honestly think Winston, the ultimate lazy MP, would want to take the top job?
      
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      May 3, 2018 2:40pm
- simpleton1
  
  “subject to a 24-hour curfew, meaning he could not leave his approved address.”
  Perhaps it was an old analogue clock?
  
  “arrested a 17-year-old male”
  Would have cuteness, as not old enough to shave.
  
  Probably was electronically monitored, either ignored monitoring, or band cut off.
  
  https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/Regulatory-Impact-Statement-Review-of-aspects-of-the-bail-system.pdf circa 2010
  PROBLEM
  51. In the period 2004 – 2009, over half (54%) of young defendants who had served a previous prison sentence were convicted of offending on bail.8
  In comparison, less
  than a quarter (22%) of young defendants who had not previously been sentenced
  to imprisonment were convicted of offending on bail. Offences committed on bail by
  those with a previous prison sentence were also generally more serious.
  
  PROBLEM
  56. Arrest without a warrant will usually be an option for a serious breach of bail conditions by a defendant under 17. However, for less serious breaches, there is little Police can do to address the breach.
  57. The Principal Youth Court Judge and Police have noted that there are children and young people who are aware of the difficulties faced by Police when it comes to arresting young defendants, and therefore some treat the terms of their bail with an element of disregard. The New Zealand Police Association commented in their
  submission that the inability of their members to arrest a child or young person for any breach of bail conditions effectively “renders bail conditions virtually meaningless as a means of controlling behaviour and mitigating risk to the
  community.”
  
  And talk of loosening bail laws? ?.
  It seems a possibility that maybe a payback, deliberately defying the ban, going out and “king” hitting the guard.
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:32pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Correction, as the guard was just doing his duty, checking on suspicious activity of the youth, so probably not pay back, but it shows the volatility and planned arrogance of that offender.
    
    All to be brushed under being too young, and a terrible life syndrome, so why was he released for home detention if it was unsafe there, or no parental supervision, and supposedly bought up, not knowing right from wrong.
    
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    May 3, 2018 1:44pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  How about giving a “like” on Little’s FB page?
  
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  May 3, 2018 2:10pm
- simpleton1
  
  And where were his family and friend’s guidance, what love did they really show? when he was under 24 hour curfew?
  
  Several friends and family were in the back of the court, some in tears and calling out that they loved him.
  The teen, who became tearful as he left the dock – called out “I love you” to his family and “it was self defence”.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/356554/teen-charged-with-manslaughter-over-security-guard-s-death
  
  More worried about about himself it seems.
  
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  May 3, 2018 7:06pm
Manolo

Labour lite on the offensive:
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/simon-bridges-kicks-nationwide-tour-build-momentum-national-be-p-215281
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May 3, 2018 1:22pm
- Lance
  
  Time even more (fake) news items under the banner ‘DIRTY POLITICS’.
  Squirrel sighting overload needed with the duplicitous media running interference.
  
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  May 3, 2018 2:56pm
Ross12

This bit of “outside the box” thinking is great and raises all sorts of interesting questions about what could happen in the future
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/05/gamechanger-chinese-crypto-miners-can-get-8c-cheap-electricity-in-australia-using-old-coal/
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May 3, 2018 1:22pm
Odakyu-sen

“It is understood the guard worked at Countdown in Papakura and was allegedly felled by a single punch to the head when he approached the youth, suspicious of his behaviour.”

Ref: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12044237

Let me guess. The guard was a 180-cm 115-kg male from Manurewa who does not self-identify as European Pakeha. The attacker was a 70-kg immigrant from India who had been in New Zealand for 5 years.

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May 3, 2018 1:25pm
- wreck1080
  
  This makes me so angry. Nothing less than a murder charge should suffice.
  
  And labour wants to loosen bail laws!
  
  And so much for youth crime dropping!
  
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  May 3, 2018 1:33pm
jcuk

I click on Nev’s 12.42pm and get 8 plus points …
What the Heck?????
Am I an octopusy ?
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May 3, 2018 2:32pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/103554796/does-the-clarke-gayford-smear-signal-a-new-low-in-politics

Is the Gayford smear the lowest low ever?

Not even close.

I’d think Jacinda supporting the bloke who proposed raping John Key’s daughter is nowhere near being reached.
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May 3, 2018 2:41pm
Inandout

As our king hitter is charged with manslaughter, another one in Oz is given the wet bus ticket.

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-god-no-parents-outaged-king-hit-killers-sentenc/2078326/
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May 3, 2018 2:44pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That story is four and a half years old. Do keep up.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    The dead man has also been gone that long. That killer is probably out by now, so I wonder how long ours remains locked up?
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:49pm
Anne Glen Eden

I have to agree with comments from Audrey Young.

“Ardern will have the sympathy of every party in Parliament and all but the most stone-hearted MP [in relation to gossip about a family member].

That makes her calculated reference to “dirty politics” in her statement unfair on National. As she well knows, ‘dirty politics’ is no longer a generic phrase, but was the title of the Nicky Hager book about some low-life operatives associated with the former government.

Ardern has no reason to cast a slur on the National Party by innuendo. That is to stoop to the standards of the peddlers of rumour.”

Exactly. And it certainly gives the lie to her “image as wholesome as motherhood and apple pie”. Ardern is more than happy to be a ‘low-life peddler’ of malicious rumours, as is all of the Left, anytime it suits them.
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May 3, 2018 2:55pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Relentlessly negadive and lyin’ like a ward full of geriatrics
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:17pm
- Justitia
  
  I’m picking Labour’s internal polling shows they are in free-fall and this is a planned distraction and an attempt to garner sympathy for Ardern by accusing the Opposition, without a shred of evidence, of “dirty politics”. I am appalled the Police have added their two cents – they have clearly entered the political fray on behalf of the coalition. I fail to see how we maintain our least corrupt country status.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:49pm
  - sooty
    
    Didn’t work did it!
    Now everybody wants to know!
    If this was idea Linda Clarks idea, she’s tits!
    
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    May 3, 2018 6:14pm
Milhous

April ….Q. Did you know about the payment to Daniels.
Trump. No

…and now

Guliani (Trumps new personal lawyer): Cohen made the payment and then Trump reimbursed him..

Sleeping with Porn stars when infant son at home being nursed.
Denying knowing anything about a payment.

Having your lawyer admit you actually reimbursed the payment…

Oh I don’t think America can handle such greatness!!!
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May 3, 2018 3:17pm
- Fletch
  
  Is any of that against the law? Then why bring it up? People knew what they were getting when they elected Trump. He isn’t perfect by a long shot, but he is better than Hillary and her rapist husband. Often people say on this blog that whatever happens in private shouldn’t be aired in public and that it doesn’t affect the way a person does their job. I guess that doesn’t apply to Trump.
  
  Meanwhile, we’ve been threatened by the lawyers if we even whisper about Gayford.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:25pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  LOL.
  
  Do you have any idea how many businessmen/professionals are screwing their staff/other people – especially when their wives are pregnant/nursing infants?
  
  You make it sound like it’s unusual. At least Trump stuck to a ‘porn star’ who was no competition to his wife.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:27pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Yep, Trump must have wished he had made better choices and perhaps married a model 24 years younger than him. Oh wait….
    
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    May 3, 2018 3:43pm
  - MCos
    
    ‘At least Trump stuck to a ‘porn star’’
    Oh, really?
    
    Not that it matters all that much. Trump supporters don’t give a shit about his personal behaviour. He could be caught raping a nun on the steps of the Supreme Court and they would somehow rationize it was Hillary’s fault and that Franklin Graham character would say he was temporarily possessed by the devil or some pyseudo religious babble.
    
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    May 3, 2018 5:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  As usual Milhous misses the detail. In the interview Giuliani said Trump was paying Cohen a Retainer (which is normal) and that Cohen used that money to pay Daniels to go away.
  That’s a bit different than Trump ‘reimbursing’ Cohen for something specific.
  It also confirms that the payment happened without Trump knowing about it.
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red, never mind. Much more importantly you can as Trump’s self-appointed, deputy apologists may begin to try and answer these questions,
    
    The Questions Mueller Wants to Ask Trump About Obstruction, and What They Mean
    
    The questions show the special counsel’s focus on obstruction of justice and touch on some surprising other areas.
    
    The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, recently provided President Trump’s lawyers a list of questions he wants answered in an interview. The New York Times obtained the list; here are the questions, along with the context and significance of each. The questions fall into categories based on four broad subjects. They are not quoted verbatim, and some were condensed.
    [Read our main story on the questions for Mr. Trump here.]
    
    Questions related to Michael T. Flynn, the former national security adviser…..etc etc
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/politics/questions-mueller-wants-to-ask-trump-russia.html
    
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    May 3, 2018 3:45pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You should watch the interview.
      They covered those.
      Speaking of apologies. Have you apologised for your remarks yet you racist pos.
      
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      May 3, 2018 4:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie? Stephie?
        Run away as usual
        No doubt he will slime his way back later
        
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        May 3, 2018 5:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , what” waayycist ” apology?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol at how you conveniently forget what you said about DG and his wife to Jason Johns.
        Here’s another copy
        ‘22,733 COMMENTS
        stephieboy
        JasonJohns and married to a racially inferior Tongon.
        
        LOL
        Thumb up 0 Thumb down 7REPLY REPORTAPRIL 26, 2018 9:37AM
        
        You racist POS
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed, obviously you suffer from the Trump effect,
        
        https://artandresponse.com/trumps-house-lies/
        
        Kindly include Jason Johns post which is the one I was responding to.
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your words racist
        
        It’s the ‘LOL’ I think is particularly offensive.
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:15pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed ,
        
        Offended?
        
        Be offended.
        
        Who cares, clown!
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Racist
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:41pm
      - realityczech
        
        All_on_Red, why is stupidboy so triggered by Tongans?
        
        So much hate. I have never seen anything like it. Is it because they don’t make their women cover up enough?
        
        I always thought Tongans were rather conservative, but clearly not enough for stupidboy!
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It was an astonishing thing to say.
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        AoR, I am the first to say un-PC things and encourage others to do so.
        
        But stupidboys disgraceful attack on DG’s wife was another thing entirely. The guy has no code.
        
        I wonder if that is why his family forced him to immigrate here? Maybe even the other Islamists had enough of his anger and hate?
        
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        May 3, 2018 7:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc.con ” ,But stupidboys disgraceful attack on DG’s wife was another thing entirely. The guy has no code.”
        
        No code? You and All on Wed.con should talk.
        
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        May 3, 2018 7:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Alt Left racist
        
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        May 3, 2018 7:53pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  After 2 years searching high and low for Russian collusion – Mueller is investigating who Trump might’ve shagged 12 years ago?
  
  No wonder the Dems leadership are running around telling everyone to STFU about impeachment.
  
  Here! Here’s a few more straws to clutch at!
  
  He’s WINNING and the libtards are losing 🙂
  
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  May 3, 2018 3:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DP , winning in what way? Kindly refer to the above link. Shall we go through those questions them one at a time?
    
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    May 3, 2018 3:48pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Waaayyciist
      
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      May 3, 2018 4:05pm
  - MCos
    
    Mueller started his investigation on 17-May 2017, less than one year ago, just.
    The Watergate special prosecutor Cox was appointed in May 1973 and replaced by Joworski in November who carried on until August of the next year.
    These things are drawn out affairs.
    
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    May 3, 2018 5:38pm
    - KevOB
      
      They actually had something of substance to investigate. Why haven’t the Clinton family rewards for office been investigated?
      
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      May 3, 2018 6:08pm
  - KevOB
    
    The longer Mueller continues the more of the Democrats and other corrupt official he is revealing. All his cronies are being exposed.
    
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    May 3, 2018 6:03pm
    - Inandout
      
      Mueller is a public servant, and ‘inventive’ doesn’t figure in his vocabulary. Trump will play him like a fiddle.
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:59pm
MH

As well as playing roulette -with a Russian of all people !!!! Misere, no Trumps.
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May 3, 2018 3:35pm
stephieboy

Trump the father of a thousand and all lies ,

Trump dictated letter with glowing health report to GP

A letter from Donald Trump’s New York physician released by his campaign in 2015 declaring he would be “the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency” was composed by the candidate himself, the doctor said.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/356550/trump-dictated-letter-with-glowing-health-report-to-gp
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May 3, 2018 3:51pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Waaaayyciist
  
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  May 3, 2018 4:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Squaaaaaak!
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jordan’s plumbers

http://www.bbc.com/capital/gallery/20180501-in-jordan-female-plumbers-fighting-a-water-crisis
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May 3, 2018 3:59pm
Brigitte

Interesting question at Q&A today, sadly disallowed:

Hon James Shaw: Is the reason why New Zealand doesn’t have an exemption to the US steel tariffs because President Trump can’t find New Zealand on a map?

Mr SPEAKER: Order! I’m not going to allow that question.
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May 3, 2018 4:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Quackety, quack …
  
  Mallard Ducks the question.
  
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  May 3, 2018 4:08pm
All_on_Red

‘Two years ago, young white people favored Democrats over Republicans for Congress by a margin of 47 to 33 percent; that gap vanished by this year, with 39 percent supporting each party.’
Source Reuters Ipsos Poll
Pretty big swing huh

I see Black support for Trump has improved too.
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May 3, 2018 4:04pm
lifesgood

The more I think about it the more disgusted I am that the Police commissioner came out with his statement yesterday. Surely it would have been enough if Gayford’s lawyer had made the statement, as it is it appears she has threatened all and sundry. This smacks of political pressure on the commissioner and is a very disturbing situation. How can you trust or respect the police when you know that they jump to political pressure?
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May 3, 2018 4:10pm
nasska

From https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/103573335/australias-cardinal-george-pell-faces-two-trials-on-sexual-abuse-charges

…..”Australia’s highest-ranking Catholic and member of the Vatican, George Pell, has pleaded not guilty to a raft of historical sexual abuse allegations. “…..

They’ve even decided to split the charges into two trials as they were”of a completely different nature” and “separated by 20 years”.

Obviously there must be more ways of sexually abusing a choirboy than a layman would have thought possible. Thousands of young sphincters will relax a little at trial’s end.
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May 3, 2018 4:31pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I’m no fan of the Catholic Church. Quite the opposite in fact.
  But there’s a few things about the Pell charges which are a bit suspect.
  Certain members of the media, especially the ABC have been really pushing this.
  I guess the trial will sort it out.
  
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  May 3, 2018 4:44pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Very interesting evidence from the committal hearing:
    
    The court earlier heard, a “Get Pell” operation was set up by Victoria Police at least a year before any complaints about Cardinal George Pell were made to investigators, his lawyer has claimed.
    
    Details of Operation Tethering were made public for the first time today with police admitting the “intel probe” was established to determine whether there were any unreported serious crimes in regards to the Cardinal.
    
    When asked whether the operation was a “get Pell operation” detective Superintendent Paul Sheridan said “I wouldn’t use those words but I guess you could term it the way you did”…
    
    The court heard Operation Tethering commenced in March 2013 and the first complaint was received a year later.
    
    It did not result in any charges being laid.
    
    And:
    
    Supt Sheridan also confirmed there were police efforts to try and revive a 2002 allegation against the Cardinal but the complainant did not want the matter investigated.
    
    And:
    
    The court heard two men who made “minor” allegations against Cardinal Pell had also made serious allegations against other people — a teacher and a nun.
    
    Supt Sheridan said he couldn’t say why the serious allegations were not investigated.
    
    “Serious allegations … were put on the back burner and not investigated while minor allegations against Pell were,” Mr Richter said.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/a-get-pell-operation/news-story/17ff53b3fac1a5e1a53191ee116e12bf
    
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    May 3, 2018 4:48pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s true that the media have been gunning for Pell but I reckon that has much to do with the fate of previous accusations against RC clergy.
      
      As was the case in NZ the Aussie police force is saturated with Catholics & attempts to get investigations underway have been stymied in the past. eg http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-27/claims-of-plans-to-sack-whistleblower-cop-labelled-nonsense/4785700
      
      I sense that this time the media have decided that enough is enough & it’s time to let the courts decide.
      
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      May 3, 2018 4:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Too true they got away with so much for far too long.
        C###s
        
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        May 3, 2018 5:00pm
      - nasska
        
        And before the faithful call squirrel they might like to have a quick read of this cop’s story.
        
        https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/time-for-justice-20150701-gi2ff4.html
        
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        May 3, 2018 5:01pm
lifesgood

I notice one tweeter has been terrified into deleting his page. he was a good tweeter to follow too.
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May 3, 2018 4:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It seems the Pope once discredited 3 young men who complained about sexual abuse by their Bishop.

Seems the Pope now recognizes he has been part of the problem
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/02/pope-francis-chile-sexual-abuse-scandal-part-of-problem
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May 3, 2018 4:35pm
- nasska
  
  It now appears that the prime purpose of the church was to deliver fresh meat to the deviants of the clergy Maggy.
  
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  May 3, 2018 4:42pm
  - stigie
    
    Fucking Cardinals and Bishops, they never cease to amaze !~
    
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    May 3, 2018 5:45pm
- GoVege
  
  Ah, but he apologised…belatedly.
  Maybe now he can apologize for instructing South America’s women not to use contraception under threat of hell fire or some such cr*p.
  
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  May 3, 2018 5:47pm
- realityczech
  
  “It seems the Pope once discredited 3 young men who complained about sexual abuse by their Bishop.”
  
  Yep and we have those sort of enablers closer to home. You may have noticed the campaign of baseless lies and abuse I have endured recently from enablers and apologists.
  
  Not complaining mind you. It has been very instructive to demonstrate how these things can go on in some religious communities. You can’t mention it.
  
  Even the parents of the abused often side with the religion. This is common and is the most damaging thing of all for abuse victims. They can process that the offender is a pervert… but why did they get punished by their own parents for speaking out?
  
  You can see this manifest itself right here on KB.
  
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  May 3, 2018 6:01pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Is that why you continue to avoid answering directly, deflect and react with aggression when repeatedly asked, “are you allowed to be left alone with children?”?
    
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    May 3, 2018 6:13pm
Jack5

Oh dear, send for Dame Devoid …

Racism among Canadian indigenous people – the famous warriors and skyscraper scaffolders, the Mohawks.

Women who married white men kicked out of tribe.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/02/canada-first-nations-mohawk-kahnawake-rule
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May 3, 2018 4:36pm
- GoVege
  
  F’ng racists!!
  It goes on here too.
  A very lovely Pakeha woman once told me she had to eventually leave her Maori husband because of his extreme violence.
  After she left, none of her former husband’s female relatives would speak to her again, despite her being the mother of two children related to them.
  
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  May 3, 2018 5:27pm
  - realityczech
    
    “told me she”
    
    Vege, At most you have half a story. She sounds a bit lippy to me and probably kept Whitesplaining to her long suffering husband.
    
    Tell her to pull her head in if you want to be helpful.
    
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    May 3, 2018 5:31pm
    - GoVege
      
      I’m sure you’re right, RC.
      The white b*tch should have kept her mouth shut and her head down at all times…
      
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      May 3, 2018 5:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I’d be concerned about realityczech’s flirting if I was you, especially given his obsession with posting the graphic details of child molestation. As you’ve already revealed you have children it is a cause for concern. People who molest children are very crafty, manipulative and plan ahead. And coincidentally those three things characterise realityczech’s history here on Kiwiblog.
        
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        May 3, 2018 5:45pm
      - nasska
        
        Kimbo’s on safari.
        
        Tonight he seeks the tail feathers of a Kea to add colour to his surplice. 🙂
        
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        May 3, 2018 5:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Surplice? Don’t know your God botherers, do you? We Calvinists once executed an Archbishop of Canterbury and later his king, in part because they wouldn’t rid the church of such Papist superstition.
        
        Other than that, yep, you called my other motive right. ?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:01pm
      - realityczech
        
        Kimbo’s on ~~safari~~ a religious crusade/drugs?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:07pm
      - nasska
        
        Sorry Kimbo. To me one Godwhack is very like any other Godwhack.
        
        Deluded! 🙂
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:08pm
      - GoVege
        
        Kimbo: Surely you are not insinuating RC is a child-molester?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        Vege you should not put up with Kimbo’s abusive sexualised attacks on you.
        
        He has managed to ~~groom~~ fool a few people, but I suggest you consider his offending is escalating in both severity and frequency.
        
        This is a common phenomenon when these people feel they may have been discovered.
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @GoVege
        
        I’m just stating facts about realityczech and you. He has an obsession with posting the graphic details of child molestation, despite being repeatedly suspended for it. You have children. He has been flirting with you. He seems to hate the police for some reason. He has repeatedly refused to directly answer the questions, “are you allowed to be left alone with children?”, and “have you had dealings with the police?”
        
        Join the dots, and arrange your baby-sitters as you see fit from that set of maybe-not-so-random facts…and yes, those are facts, not opinions.
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        When was the last time RC posted these graphic details of child molestation, Kimbo?
        Don’t worry about my kids, my boys are big solid rugby players and my daughter is a karate expert. 🙂
        
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        May 3, 2018 7:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ GoVege
        
        Check out his history here, including under his previous on-line handle with the same unmistakable content and style, Kea:
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Check out his history here”
        How the Rabbi triggered the pedos.
        
        https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
        
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        May 4, 2018 1:30am
Jack5

A flaw is found in Labour’s Amazon tax. It relates to multiple items in one order.

Another aspect worth noting is that that Amazon tax (GST) will be on total cost of the item bought plus delivery charge.

And, if you are a business person registered for GST, will you be able to offset the Amazon tax GST against the GST you collect from customers? That is the case with GST incurred within NZ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12044309
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May 3, 2018 4:49pm
- KevOB
  
  GST collected at import is deductible now–that should remain unchanged. We need to have the limits for Customs handling fees lifted too.
  
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  May 3, 2018 5:57pm
- realityczech
  
  A flaw is found in Labour~~’s Amazon tax. It relates to multiple items in one order.~~
  
  Get to the point Jacksie.
  
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  May 3, 2018 6:09pm
wiseowl

So.
Further destruction of lifes norms.
The ODT reports you can now have mother and mother on a birth certificate.
A gay chick has ivf using a male donor.
A gay lawyer steps in and says they should be able to put ‘mother’ and ‘mother’ on the birth certificate.
How can that be when the father was a male ?Quite clearly it should state mother and father otherwise it is straight out misleading and child abuse when the kid grows up.
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May 3, 2018 4:59pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That case reminded me of the two lesbians in LA with an 11 year old son who they are turning into a girl before he reaches puberty.
  
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  May 3, 2018 5:15pm
  - nasska
    
    I read a little about that. No kid should be irreversibly mutilated at the instigation of his/her mad parents.
    
    To me it is the ultimate in child abuse.
    
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    May 3, 2018 5:22pm
    - GoVege
      
      Blinking psychos!
      Maybe they’re scared of him reaching puberty.
      Surely no doctor would do such an operation on a kid.
      Should be illegal until he’s at least 21 and away from those nutters.
      
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      May 3, 2018 6:11pm
realityczech

Gayford…

At first I was not too worried about this. But the more I think about it the more concerned I become. Look past the spin and see what is happening here on a more fundamental level.

There is a gag order on media preventing any critical comment on a outspoken high profile political figure who is not shy about expressing his views on others.

What we have is a situation where only favourable comment can be made publicly about a political figure.

Even more concerning are the appalling actions of the police in this. The top levels of most government departments are corrupt, but the cops have found a new low in my opinion.
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May 3, 2018 5:52pm
- Kimbo
  
  Is there a reason you hate the cops? Hiding something? You haven’t been able to hide your obsession with the graphic details of child molestation. Looks very troubling once one starts joining dots and drawing inferences from what we know about you.
  
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  May 3, 2018 5:56pm
- nasska
  
  I for one intend to obey the instructions to the letter for at least the next three years or so.
  
  In future I will stress at every opportunity that Clarke Gayford “is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry, nor has he been charged in relation to any matter”.
  
  You can never be too careful.
  
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  May 3, 2018 6:05pm
  - realityczech
    
    “has not been the subject of any police inquiry”
    
    That is not actually what the police said, is it?
    
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    May 3, 2018 6:13pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Addressing those rumours today, Mr Bush said in a statement provided to 1 NEWS: “While in general we do not respond to enquiries which seek to confirm if individuals are under police investigation, on this occasion we can say that Mr Gayford is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry, nor has he been charged in relation to any matter.” “…..
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-commissioner-addresses-false-clarke-gayford-rumours-in-statement
      
      It behoves us to make sure that the good Commissioner’s views are not forgotten by anyone sufficiently spaced out to consider voting Labour in 2020.
      
      It’s the least we can do. 🙂
      
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      May 3, 2018 6:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        “has not”
        
        Okay I stand corrected.
        
        Will the commissioner get his conviction wiped now?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        nasska, naturally you will not be one of the 0005% reconsidering?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:35pm
      - nasska
        
        I confidently predict that snow will lie six feet deep in Hell before I vote for the pack of losers stephieboy. 🙂
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie will support the Party with the most racist views- naturally.
        Racists have to stick together.
        Do you miss the days when Crosses were set on fire Stephie?
        
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        May 3, 2018 6:43pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Tonight we have Fiona McDonald in Strawpeople with Trick With A Knife. Some people might remember the incident that inspired the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJmdDVIqvM
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May 3, 2018 5:56pm
- sam green
  
  Sorry – I downticked when I meant to uptick. Thanks for the music – nice to hear some tracks I’d forgotten. I see you have received a few downticks for posting NZ music. Sour old farts.
  
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  May 3, 2018 7:06pm
  - realityczech
    
    spam you are so on-trend. I bet people want to be like you… smug posturing and insincere?
    
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    May 3, 2018 7:10pm
    - sam green
      
      ???
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:26pm
Johnboy

I’m going to stop chatting up sheilas here on KB. I’m a bit concerned that I might entice that fattie with the fringe and blue dress with all the costume jewellery that DPF is advertising!
I’ll leave her for stephie! 🙂
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May 3, 2018 7:14pm
- realityczech
  
  LOL 🙂
  
  I got a few days of a very homely lady, then DPF tried me out on Russians and lovely brown eyed Asian girls.
  
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  May 3, 2018 7:17pm
  - nasska
    
    You’re being tested RC.
    
    For God’s sake reply to one of them……even the fat minger if you have to. The next category is transsexuals! 🙂
    
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    May 3, 2018 7:23pm
  - Johnboy
    
    How exactly did he “try you out” rc? ……
    This could be a bigger scandal than the Gaylord smears folks! 🙂
    
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    May 3, 2018 7:26pm
- stigie
  
  But you have so much to offer JB and of course us poor sods here on Kiwiblog that dont have much to offer relishes the moments that one day your ambitiousness might cum to fruition !~
  
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  May 3, 2018 7:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How come you blokes have all the fun?
Are there any gorgeous manly creatures advertising their wares?
I might consider turning off my ad-blockers if there is some eye-candy to distract me from deep thought.
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May 3, 2018 7:42pm
- stigie
  
  Sent us blokes some photos of yourself Maggy so we can go into deep thought..?
  Fully dressed please, we dont go much for nudity !~
  
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  May 3, 2018 7:49pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Quite so stigie. A fully almost dressed rack of mutton discretely hiding yet showing her infinite charms and wisdom beats a little bit of raw cheap meat any day! 🙂
    
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    May 3, 2018 7:56pm
    - nasska
      
      Nah. You want to see what you’re getting.
      
      Many a poor bloke has had his gaze of stretch marks & varicose veins obstructed by a bit of satin or an uplift bra.
      
      Caveat emptor! 🙂
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:04pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Think that if you like nasska. Us more discerning chaps will still be waiting for Maggy’s pictorial response to stigie! 🙂
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:06pm
      - stigie
        
        Here on Kiwiblog, we are very greatful for small mercies Nasska..?
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:08pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I’m actually expecting that Maggy will turn out to be a Helen Mirren lookalike stigie. We won’t expect her to show as much to us as Helen has over the years of course! 🙂
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:12pm
      - stigie
        
        You may have to lift your standards a bit JB, i wouldn’t recommend inviting her to your farm and having a sensual spa in your sheep dip ole chap..?
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stigie
    
    I can see that you are in desperate need of some deep thinking courses.
    You seem to be totally unaware that it is ME and MY desire for eye candy that was the focus of my post.
    However, I will take pity on you and reveal my techniques for engaging your neural networks.
    
    Send your entry fee of 25 guineas to
    Magsta Ripoffs
    Kaiti Ghetto
    Turanganui a Kiwa
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:22pm
    - stigie
      
      I know exactly where that is Maggy for deep thinkers like me…..
      Madam Lashes house of pain !~
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:28pm
DigNap15

Little (I hate even writing his name) did say that there would be some collateral effects if they eased the bail laws.
We have had two cases recently under the present laws.

We need to tell him that we will hold him personally responsible for any and every crime committed by an offender on bail.

The judges also need to be sacked, and their annual salary repaid.

Life imprisonment for any unprovoked or king hit assault with NO parole, and solitary confinement with no heaters, tv or video.
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May 3, 2018 8:08pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Time fora serious debate and possibly a referendum on capital punishment for certain types of offending. Now I have mostly been against CP but I think the increase of child murders and rapes especially has made me reconsider. This POS should never be released.
  
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  May 3, 2018 9:02pm
cha

China has gone large and ditched plans to impose a 25% tariff on the $14 billion US soy trade, preferring to switch suppliers.

The mid-west farming economy will be delighted with all that winning.

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The world’s biggest oilseed processor just confirmed one of the soybean market’s biggest fears: China has essentially stopped buying U.S. supplies amid the brewing trade war.

“Whatever they’re buying is non-U.S.,” Bunge Ltd. Chief Executive Officer Soren Schroder said in a telephone interview Wednesday. “They’re buying beans in Canada, in Brazil, mostly Brazil, but very deliberately not buying anything from the U.S.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-02/china-has-stopped-buying-u-s-soybean-supplies-bunge-ceo-says
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May 3, 2018 8:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  And Midwest farmers ( most Trump supporters) the centre for Soy production will hurt badly.
  
  https://theconversation.com/why-chinas-soybean-tariffs-matter-94476
  
  Trump will probably offer them food stamps.
  
  LOL
  
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  May 3, 2018 8:35pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Evidence? Racist soy boy
    
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    May 3, 2018 8:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed.con,
      
      go and visit your Doctor!
      
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      May 3, 2018 8:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Racist freak
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con. also, remember playpen time tomorrow.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playpen#/media/File:Laufgitter.png
        
        LOL
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh quiet day for me tomorrow racist
        I’ll see you then
        Bwhahahahahahahaha
        Perhaps you should apologise
        Hey, maybe PERVWATCH will make an appearance
        
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        May 3, 2018 8:44pm
cha

I guess no one noticed the elephants and Great A’Tuin.

More than 200 flat-Earth enthusiasts descended on West Midlands, England, this past weekend to “engage freely in deep and meaningful discussions,” according to the Flat Earth Convention UK.

[…]

At this conference, they were presenting their scientific evidence for such a disk. One of the more interesting pieces of evidence came from speaker Darren Nesbit, who referred to the “Pac-Man effect” as the reason why planes don’t fall off the edge of a flat Earth, according to the science news website Physics-Astronomy.org. When a plane or other object reaches the edge of the horizon, such as when Pac-Man reaches the end of the screen, that object will teleport from one side of the planet to the other, a la Pac-Man entering from the other side of the screen. [7 Ways to Prove the Earth Is Round]

https://www.livescience.com/62454-flat-earthers-explain-pac-man-effect.html
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May 3, 2018 8:44pm
rangitoto

Trump chalks up another win. #MAGA. Read and weep Stupidboy.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/2/north-korea-releases-us-detainees-bows-another-tru/
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May 3, 2018 9:50pm
pentwig

stephie
you deserve two stupidboy awards today
both awarded for lack of intelligence

DUH
LOL

show them with humility
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May 3, 2018 10:49pm
- mikewasmild
  
  I am always dazzled, simply dazzled, by the wit and erudition of pentwig’s comments. How does he think them up. Such flair, such imagination.
  
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  May 4, 2018 6:59am
softail 1450

SEPTICBOY, an intellectually handicapped chimpanzee with half an hours intensive training could produce better posts than the shite you often inflict on KB.
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