General Debate 24 May 2018

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KiWombat

Are you out there Shane? – wakey wakey, hands off snakey – nearly 60 million trees to go now Shane – that’s 60 followed by a bucketful of zero’s !
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May 24, 2018 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  “Hands off snakey”
  
  Only in Aotearoa could a polly survive getting the Plebs to pay for his porn.
  
  Notional even gave him a sinecure , off our taxes , and what did Notional get ? Zip . The taxpayer got nothing either.
  
  Troughers looking after themselves.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:06am
- cmm
  
  At least you didn’t say “stupid little snakey” because that would have got you in trouble.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:09am
  - G152
    
    No-one can say that Shane didn’t get a grip … 🙂
    
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    May 24, 2018 8:21am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      He took the problem in hand. Came up with a solution.
      
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      May 24, 2018 8:32am
- Colinxy
  
  I’m sure he follows the Winston Peter’s method of rounding. You know when $0 rounds to $158k.
  
  With this type of rounding in play, the Winston First party is on target to delivery their election promise!
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:19am
  - Colinxy
    
    I should also add whether DPF’s tree counter takes into account the 5 trees planted?
    
    This should have knocked off 50 million or so off the counter at least.
    
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    May 24, 2018 8:22am
- cas
  
  Shane or Shame?
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:52am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I’ve called him “Shame” Jones on several occasions on KB but it hasn’t caught on even though it fits the man’s modus operandi. ?
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:15am
    - alloytoo
      
      Wouldn’t “Shameless” Jones be more appropriate?
      
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      May 24, 2018 9:55am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: A BANKER (OUT OF FEAR) SEES SOME DAYLIGHT …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-23-may-2018/#comment-3109819 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/general_debate_22_may_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2215517 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/more_welfare_for_the_wealthy.html/comment-page-1#comment-2215518

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: A BANKER (OUT OF FEAR) SEES SOME DAYLIGHT … JUST SOME …

HAVE THE BANKERS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT UNNECESSARY MORTGAGE SLAVERY AT ANY STAGE ? …

Westpac’s (New Zealand CEO) David McLean says flat house prices for 20-30 years would gradually correct housing unaffordability without igniting the ‘economic carnage’ a big price drop would cause | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/93884/westpac-nz-ceo-david-mclean-comments-distortionary-economic-effects-heated-housing

In an ideal world, the CEO of Westpac New Zealand would like to see house price growth remain on hold for the next few decades.

Speaking at a Trans-Tasman Business Circle breakfast in Auckland on Wednesday, David McLean said: “What we think New Zealand needs is a long period – maybe 20 or 30 years – of zero house price inflation, combined with steady growth in other parts of the economy.”

He said this would “gradually correct” housing unaffordability without igniting the economic carnage that a big price downturn would cause. … read more via hyperlink above …

Bank of mum and dad could be NZ’s sixth largest first-home mortgage lender | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/103712810/bank-of-mum-and-dad-could-be-nzs-sixth-largest-firsthome-mortgage-lender

A generation of mortgage slaves: Auckland’s house prices leave home owners mired in debt | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/103205338/a-generation-of-mortgage-slaves-aucklands-house-prices-leave-home-owners-crippled-in-debt

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
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May 24, 2018 8:03am
- Longknives
  
  Zzzzzzzzz…
  
  Jesus Hugh you really need to
  ‘Jazz up’ your posts a little!
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:08am
- peterwn
  
  That guy is dreaming. As long as a community keeps growing the value of existing houses is driven by the cost of new builds. Clobbering evil land bankers will not solve the problem since their cut would be perhaps 5% of the cost of a new build.
  And ‘Nimbyism’ is alive and well, David Seymour and a few Epsom stirrers do not want social housing in Epsom, could attract people with mental health issues. Nimbyists are potentially a significant political force – just witness that both Peter Dunne and Winston Peters sided with the Nimbyists to stop RMA changes proposed by the previous government to make housing development easier.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:32am
Inandout

If the Pacific islands are supposedly sinking under rising water levels, then why is Goff intent on building a stadium on the waterfront?
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May 24, 2018 8:06am
- Longknives
  
  This is a very good point.
  Aren’t the Loony Left always shrieking that our Cities are going to be under water soon?
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:09am
  - Harkman
    
    Sea level rising, a shortage of water in the centre of Africa. Problem solved. No need to reward me, the fame will do.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:36am
    - RF
      
      Can I have a selfie with you or has our princess cornered the market.
      
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      May 24, 2018 1:02pm
      - Harkman
        
        ? let’s do this ?
        
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        May 24, 2018 4:51pm
    - Nermal
      
      Global Change is fixing that. The higher CO2 levels are greening the Sahel, which should lead to higher rainfalls.
      
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      May 24, 2018 2:46pm
- RalphT
  
  Because after 50 years of use as a rugby field it can become our new Olympic-standard aquatic centre.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:10am
- cmm
  
  About 50% of Pacifika now resides in Auckland. If things continue at this rate there will be nobody left on the Isands whether they are flooded or not.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:11am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I think it’s Auckland that’s flooded man.
    
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    May 24, 2018 8:43am
  - Nermal
    
    Maybe the government should arrange a swap. Pay for us oldies on the super to move to the island beachfronts and fit keen workers to come and live in our vacated homes
    
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    May 24, 2018 2:49pm
- kowtow
  
  Same in Dunedin where the Cargo Cult councillors think if you build monuments on the soon to be flooded shoreline the good times will return.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/bold-plan-dunedin-harbourside
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:12am
- Colinxy
  
  Or Al Gore buying up seaside mansions…
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:20am
- mandk
  
  Doesn’t matter. It could easily be used for swimming, water polo and underwater hockey.
  We’re good at the last one.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:26am
- marcw
  
  In Christchurch they are replacing Redcliffs School on a park at the shore line. Telling all the other residents that adverse “warnings” about future sea level rises will be added to their LIM data.
  
  Another consultant’s report called for – need more money for their mates.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:19am
- MH
  
  it is to be built on a pontoon, paid for by SkyCity gamblers of the same game.
  
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  May 24, 2018 3:02pm
holysheet

A man’s wife hits him across the head.
He says “What’s that for?”
She says “I found a piece of paper in your pocket with Sexy Sarah written on it”.
Quick as a flash he says “that’s the name of a horse i bet on today, you silly cow”
she apologises. A week later she hits him with a frying pan!
He say’s, “what the fuck was that for?”.
She replies. “Your horse phoned!
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May 24, 2018 8:09am
- dubya
  
  Must have been one of those good looking tax deductible horses.
  
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  May 24, 2018 6:13pm
  - holysheet
    
    I think you will be hard pressed to find any ugly horses now the drunken dwarf has got his way.
    
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    May 24, 2018 6:28pm
oldpark

Sounds to many people that Mallard has caught the Peters disease as a “Hallucinating” verbal shin kicker.
Mallard has been exposed as a complete incompetent inept inane so called Parliamentary “Speaker”. Seems when the effeminate Hipkins and the Oxfam reject Twyford were sneering at Judith Collins and talking botox about her .Bully boy Mallard who once referred to a National Party MP and called him “Tinkerbell” seemed to not hear that type of abuse and sexism from two of his own Party’s clowns.
Yet it is now starting to appear that Mallard is Hallucinating and hearing voices that no one else has heard.
Just to revisit the comments Mallard alleged he heard .The finger of suspicion is pointing at Mallard himself.Yes not a good look.
“Stupid little Girl” regarding Peters selected PM Ardern,think that is the type of comment Mallard would make,ala his homophobic comments about a National Party MP,when he called him “Tinkerbell”.
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May 24, 2018 8:19am
- G152
  
  And we had that debacle yesterday when conveniently we had a 6 hour power cut where Mallard had to say something to ‘his side’ and a Nat walked out
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:24am
- lifesgood
  
  Regards stupid little girl, if indeed it was said is it so wrong to speak the truth?
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:36am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    And surely it’s covered by parliamentary privilege?
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:53am
- 4077th
  
  As much as I would like to think Mallard dreamt up the comment, I’m fairly sure it was said (I don’t really care if it was said). National denied it at the time and since no video or audio evidence has surfaced they got away with it and has given National a stick to beat both Labour and Mallard with. It’s quite clever politicking really. Mallard confirming this with reporter has only enlarged the stick. What is certain is Nationals political strategist/s are far more politically mature/savvy than Labour’s ever will be.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:05am
  - KevinH
    
    Mallard has a history of making shit up and blabbing his mouth off, he has frequently being expelled from the house for making regretable comments.
    His style as an MP was to attack the man and not the subject and now as Speaker he just can’t help himself.
    
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    May 24, 2018 12:25pm
  - calendar girl
    
    “… I’m fairly sure it was said …”
    
    But where is there any evidence of that? (In Mallard’s mind doesn’t qualify.)
    
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    May 24, 2018 1:49pm
    - Viking2
      
      Only Mallard heard it because he said it under his own breath.
      
      Time to call the psychiatrist.
      
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      May 24, 2018 9:12pm
hullkiwi

Geez, I love the new definition of affordable housing. $500,000 for a 1 bedroom box in Manukau. This is Auckland Councils effort to build 300 dwellings in Manukau, which they might sell to Twitford, to help him reach his 100,000 target.
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May 24, 2018 8:20am
Humble Capitalist

I got called up to present my submission to select committee on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill. There were three other phone submissions while I was there. One from an English accent that was a unionist and two other calls from American accents in Education and both supporting the Bill.
I came up and presented my side which was that industry wide contracts, widespread collective bargaining and loss of flexibility for business will cost jobs/hours, reduce investment in business and will impede the ability to achieve 2.9% growth per annum as forecasted in the budget. There is increasing operational and compliance cost involved in business and more pressure is going to be put on the bottom line making some business investment very questionable. Some people have no understanding of how hard it can be to be an employer these days. They also don’t realise we operate in a global market for labour and trade. We are trying to add value to New Zealand’s economy and provide employment (often to unskilled workers) but they want to make it harder.
I will be watching the unemployment figures, net migration and GDP closely in the next couple of years after this Bill is passed.
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May 24, 2018 8:27am
- Ross12
  
  Did you get any reasonable questions or response HC?
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:51am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Supportive response from opposition MPs. Mostly silence from government MPs. Green MP seemed engaged at least and asked one question while other government MPs were quiet (deaf ears) except for one snide remark that I shot down. What they couldnt deny is that Im at the coalface of business and have been on the minimum wage before.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:07am
- 4077th
  
  The 1970’s ideals of the unions are already starting to surface with worrying frequency. I don’t think I have seen as much industrial action in the last 10 years than I have seen in the last few months. Just yesterday, union members working at a cinema chain deliberately stirring the shit on the release day of a popular motion picture. Labour’s union masters already calling the tune. It’s only the start. Yesterday a note from my daughters school that there will be a half day next month because all the teachers will be attending a union meeting….
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:14am
artemisia

Saw a new NZBus electric bus on the road in Wellington yesterday. Marked not in service so I guess it is being tested.

This was in Karori which might indicate it is designed for the #3 route, which is a long cross town route, mainly flat, very well used.

Better option for Auckland than light rail to the airport?
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May 24, 2018 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  There have been problems with the recent batch of electric buses. Auckland is meant to be trailing 2 electric buses, they lasted 1 day & then there were electricity problems.
  Auckland’s buses came from China, the issue until it is resolved is that they can’t be recharged in compliance with NZ/Aust electricity standards, a standard that is soon to be adopted by the Europeans, which is safer than the Chinese standard. Anyhow Chinese engineers are meant to have been on their way out here to resolve the issue.
  
  When the buses arrived & were charged at the ADL workshop in Albany, there was no problem, the problem was found at the NZ Bus garage in Auck city. The process of charging blew the circuits at the NZ Bus depot. The issue was identified as the charging system not being compliant.
  
  In Auckland, the buses are meant to have been used for the past 3 weeks on the City Link route, but because of the electricity problems they are still in NZ Bus’ depot in Halsey St.
  
  The best bit is that Goofy has signed Auckland up to converting its bus fleet to electric by 2040 (only 1300 buses).
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:46am
  - KevOB
    
    When are they going to learn going to learn if they want an electric bus or car to perform as before they have to put in at least as much energy into the battery as diesel/petrol supplied. The carbon based energy packaging is much more efficient.
    
    Supplying massive quantities of electricity for storage in small containers is both expensive and dangerous. High current flows are required to pack the energy in in a reasonable time–batteries are a little sensitive about that. Explode like SJW’s easily.
    
    How can the public be assured of the battery safety? Musk is having problems with it.
    
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    May 24, 2018 10:26am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Kev, you are right. As I pointed out above, Goofy has signed Auckland to converting its entire fleet of buses to electric. That presupposes we have an electricity system can support adding the charging of 1300 buses, in addition to Twitford’s 2 tram sets. Auckland doesn’t.
      
      As was shown in the storms 6 weeks ago, NZ’s urban electricity systems are flakey at best. Add to that the spikes in consumption caused by electric transport vehicles and we could all end up in the dark.
      
      Wayne was right yesterday when he highlighted some of the poor assumptions and maths in work done by the likes of Mr D. Cunliffe & his colleagues.
      
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      May 24, 2018 11:00am
- Rich Prick
  
  They certainly have a Darth Vader look to them.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:05am
- JIV
  
  I saw the same black bus around town yesterday. It appear to have massive containers on the roof. Are these the battery packs as it would make it a little top heavy?
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:13am
  - MH
    
    some of these buses can charge themselves esp downhill, I’m expecting to be going to work downhill and walking home at days end. Poor cyclists won’t even hear them coming…..
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:52pm
Poppa

So now Twyford says the advice about buses to the airport v trams is wrong.

His arrogance knows no bounds
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May 24, 2018 8:29am
- hullkiwi
  
  His numbers about the tram cost are also wrong $6bn will not get him to the airport unless he comandeers Mangere Bridge to run his tram set on.
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:48am
- mandk
  
  Yup.
  
  Trams for $3.7 billion, or advanced buses for $1.2 billion?
  
  With that margin of difference, it beggars belief that Twyford can so easily dismiss advice.
  
  Still, it’s only taxpayers money, so who cares, eh?
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:50am
  - rangitoto
    
    Waaah – I want my tram set. So there.
    
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    May 24, 2018 11:23am
    - mandk
      
      Yes, it really does seem that childish and irrational.
      
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      May 24, 2018 11:27am
oldgolfer

”Come in, come in. Lovely, isn’t it? Look, here’s the kitchen and here (taking one step) is the lounge.
Come into the bedroom. No, please leave the cat outside, we don’t want that hitting the walls.
So there we are, toilet and shower. Sorry, no bath.
And that’s it. Bijou. All yours for $500,000. What, you’re leaving?”
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May 24, 2018 8:29am
- Huevon
  
  Manakau is such a culturally enriched area, you’ll just love the diversity
  
  The smell, you ask? Oh that’s just Wang your neighbour. He’s such a great cook, you’ll get used to the ethnic spices.
  
  That noise? You think it sounds like screaming? Oh don’t be silly, no need to call the police. That’s just Ahmed having a loving chat with his wife. You won’t hear a peep from her, don’t worry. Besides, think of the diversity.
  
  Now, how about that deposit?
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:03am
Left Right and Centre

Would you like to hear today’s special from youtube ??
Cop ‘Engaged’ In Traffic Stop Leads To Life Sentence.

btw – 2018 weight loss Paula Bennett is one smoking hot mama – ay-chiwawa baby !!
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May 24, 2018 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  What have you been smoking LR&C
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:01am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    hot mama . . . duh
    
    And I’m here now so might as well add this one which is just the awesomest. Bell end bloke with too many kids including a trendy ethnic adoption ruins life after moronic moral stand protest video goes viral.
    Three years on and he’s still unemployed and now into meditation – because he’s so deep and spiritual. Great hair though.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:16am
    - Nermal
      
      Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
      
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      May 24, 2018 2:59pm
Rich Prick

Quick questions, I know Twyford is making the KiwiBuild rules up as he goes along, but will he take cash offers? And can we buy more than one?
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May 24, 2018 9:00am
- Poppa
  
  If you are a Labour voter yes, National voter no
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:08am
- artemisia
  
  Certainly you can buy more than one, provided you are still a first home buyer. And meet any other criteria that may one day be available.
  
  Mr Twyford said in the House yesterday that he was correct to say there are no income limits on Kiwibuild purchases. Because a decision on that has not yet been made. V funny. Not.
  
  Also said there would be no subsidy on Kiwibuild homes. Interesting to see how he weasels out of that very clear statement to the House.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:08am
  - Rich Prick
    
    So it’s really InvestorBuild then?
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:14am
  - Flash
    
    Time enough for decisions when a house has been built –
    
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    May 24, 2018 10:14am
  - KevinH
    
    So does that mean the Government is going to enter the market as an investor ?
    
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    May 24, 2018 12:34pm
VicParking

Red Radio and the rest of the MSM is pushing this UE free trade agreement like mad. Anything to coverup Twitford and co’s failures. Canada took seven years to negotiate their trade agreement so it won’t come into effect until Nationals second term in 2025.
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May 24, 2018 9:05am
- Ross12
  
  The negotiations for NZ with the EU have been going on for some years as well. The “Scoping” exercise was completed late last year. There was a EU guy talking to Chris Lynch last night explaining it.
  The current Government is just carrying on from the previous with the work.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:09am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Exactly, Ross12, yet Cindy et al trying to claim credit, ably assisted by MSM, and the process is just starting…
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:11am
- Nermal
  
  So MSM said National’s Pacific Free Trade was bad but EU Free Trade is good?
  
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  May 24, 2018 3:02pm
Harkman

Anybody else suffer from this bazaar affliction? I’ll be cooking dinner listening to the news of the day, then at around 6:10PM, I suddenly hear “BrahBrah Dreaver” and for about two three minutes I’m bombarded with an excruciating pain and all I hear is “Blah!Blah!Blah!Blah! More welfare Blah!Blah!Blah!Blah!” I might have to see a doctor ?
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May 24, 2018 9:06am
- VicParking
  
  Just as bad as at 30 seconds to eight each morning when Ngati Espiner Sprouts on in some foreign language.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:25am
Ross12

I am following the whole future energy needs for NZ issue.
Yesterday in QT we had this exchange at the end of Q9 from Jonathan Young :

“Jonathan Young: What is her response to Transpower’s advice that New Zealand will need to more than double its electricity generation by 2050—the equivalent of 22 more Clyde Dams—and their caution that this represents a concentration of risk because substantially growing demand being met by increasingly intermittent energy sources is a concern?

Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: My response to that is that is exactly why this Government has started doing the necessary work to plan for that transition and that increase in capacity that will be required. It is precisely the reason why the transition to 100 percent renewable electricity is one of the first two tasks that the interim independent Climate Commission has started charting out the pathway on.

Hon James Shaw: Has New Zealand ever doubled its electricity generation in its history, and does she have faith in the electricity markets to be able to do that?

Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: Yes.”

A couple of observations : Woods is completely out of her depth with her portfolio as shown with these answers.
Why did Shaw effectively drop her in it with his question or is he just stupid as well?

NB. Young bringing up the problem TransPower see with intermittent energy sources (wind & solar) is very valid as seen in West Australia where they are having huge problems with their grid.
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May 24, 2018 9:06am
- Poppa
  
  I bet she knows what a steak & mushroom pie costs
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:10am
  - sooty
    
    And were the cheapest and dearest pies are.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:27am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Now that she’s on a base salary of $296,000, I doubt Ms Woods has to worry about service station/convenience store pies any more. I’d say her staff has given her a list of all the best gourmet pie shops around the country.
      
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      May 24, 2018 1:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Germany has been the Poster Child for embracing green technologies harnessing Solar and Wind Power.
  They are now admitting that their Energy future is far from secure as they become reliant on these inefficient and unreliable sources.
  http://notrickszone.com/2018/05/22/sobriety-returning-to-germany-leaders-finally-realizing-green-energies-are-fraught-with-huge-obstacles/
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, examining No Tricks Zone are there any sound reasons why we should believe their Climate change denialism,
    
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientific-papers-global-warming-myth/
    
    In the meantime, China doesn’t seem to think that renewable energy resources are not such a bad idea for a nation dependent on oil imports,
    
    http://www.dw.com/en/china-leads-in-global-shift-to-renewable-energy/a-43266203
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:32am
    - alloytoo
      
      Apparently the Chinese are going to ramp up Nuclear in a rather spectacular fashion.
      
      Watch as heads explode.
      
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      May 24, 2018 10:02am
    - Ross12
      
      You cannot read can you sb. If you could you would see NTZ is just quoting the German Employers website.
      Here is a piece from Politico EU –from the you lefty friends
      https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-climate-change-green-energy-shift-is-more-fizzle-than-sizzle/
      
      You should do some reading about their “Energieweide”.
      By 2020 Germany will have spent Euro 650 billion and achieved very little in terms of reducing emissions .
      
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      May 24, 2018 10:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Maggy Wassilieff,
    
    Another Sleazy Photoshop from Pierre Gosselin
    
    When last we met Pierre Gosselin, a climate change denier in Germany who blogs at NoTricksZone.com, he was photoshopping pictures of the German countryside, adding fake wind turbines in order to conclude “Shocking Before-And-After Photos: How Wind Parks Are Devastating Idyllic German Countryside!”
    
    Now he’s add it again, photoshopping a screenshot of a famous James Hansen paper to try to make it look corrupt, provided by someone named Kenneth Richard:
    
    https://davidappell.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/another-sleazy-photoshop-from-pierre.html
    
    Sigh and so sad!
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:44am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Far less of a crime than NASA and NOAA falsifying the temperature records to lower temps in the past to create artificial warming trends.
      
      But then I guess when hundreds of millions of dollars are the reward for the fraud and gullible libtards lap it all up why should ordinary, decent people care about being lied to?
      
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      May 24, 2018 10:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        DP , sources like ” No Tricsk Zone” could prove to be helpful?
        
        LOL
        
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        May 24, 2018 1:46pm
      - backster
        
        $50 billion per annually was the last figure I heard.
        
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        May 24, 2018 1:56pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      STFU you stupid little girl.
      
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      May 24, 2018 12:16pm
oldgolfer

Yes, but given the need to double generation by 2050, will she be able to heat it?
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May 24, 2018 9:13am
kowtow

Now that so many part Maori academics have told us that Maori things are only for Maoris and not for a blond “wannabe black babe” will the useful idiots at RNZ and other Media Party outlets stop giving us earfuls of tokenistic Maori introductions and greetings ?

No , didn’t think so.

Whitey must suffer!
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May 24, 2018 9:22am
- Harkman
  
  This dopey facial, ugly, moko debate, could prove beneficial. Non Maori kids can refuse to learn Maori on the grounds that “it belongs to Maori.”
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:30am
  - kowtow
    
    They will learn that it is racist for a white to have a farcical chin tat and racist to not want to learn Maori.
    
    They will learn the Establishment is out to shaft them.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:32am
  - Paulus
    
    It is accepted that those called Maori in the previous census represent about 14% of the population. That will probably drop when the latest census is declared.
    Unlike in the USA where African American are the same percentage – 14% of the population they are more readily identified by the colour of their skins.
    
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    May 24, 2018 11:19am
  - Nermal
    
    Love it. Any future demands for compulsory Te Reo can be met with: “Sorry, that would be Cultural Appropriation
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:06pm
- mandk
  
  We must also endure arbitrary and nonsensical mixing of English and Maori.
  
  According to a recent tweet from Niwa:
  “Several rounds of cold air are expected across Aotearoa during the final week of May.”
  
  I don’t mind if NIWA refers to New Zealand as Aotearoa, but only if they are talking in Maori.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If it is culturally offensive for me to appropriate moko kauae, then how is it any less culturally inappropriate for me to acquire fluency in Te Reo?
  
  Can someone help me get my head around this dilemma?
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:41am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Easy Maggy. Learn French, Italian, Spanish or Chinese instead. Something useful.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:58am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Fluency in the Chink and European languages is good, but until you are fluent in Te Reo you will be unable to stand on a marae and tell them all how far kin useless they all are.
      
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      May 24, 2018 10:34am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If use of something unique to an “oppressed” culture by an “oppressor” culture is cultural appropriation, then, logically, the use of an “oppressed” culture’s language by a member of the “oppressor”group can only be cultural appropriation.
    
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    May 24, 2018 10:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’s how I see it.
      
      I am always cognizant of how historian Michael King was attacked for “appropriating” Maori history.
      https://nzbooks.org.nz/2003/comment/the-historian-who-opened-our-eyes-jock-phillips/
      Seems safest for an old white bird like me to observe from the sidelines.
      
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      May 24, 2018 10:29am
      - G152
        
        I wonder why all those stories by Maori about Maori before the Pakeha aren’t currently heard.
        The murdering, enslavement and eating of one tribe by another and the occupation of their land.
        One comes to mind is a prominent persons kurri killed and eaten by some one which led to a rather long lasting vendetta .
        
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        May 24, 2018 11:04am
    - KevinH
      
      “Associate Professor Leonie Pihama says the idea of Pākehā wanting to be allowed to wear moko kauae “smacks of white privilege” and says “Māori women have been struggling to reclaim this taonga for generations”.
      
      After hearing that I immediately thought the comment was a complete load of bollocks and that Ms Pihama is talking complete rubbish.
      
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      May 24, 2018 12:46pm
      - softail 1450
        
        kevinh,it’s completely inappropriate for a maori person to steal an obviously pakeha name,( leonie).
        
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        May 24, 2018 2:32pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    I agree, Maggy.
    
    Scott Hamilton recently came out with more of the ‘racist as f***k’ saying “During the 20th century, Māori suffered from a range of policies that remind me of apartheid South Africa… but this civil rights struggle in South Auckland, and the racism that prompted it, had been forgotten….”If more of us knew about what happened in the past, then we’d understand the historical context for Taika Waititi’s complaints about continuing racism.”
    
    The salient point of that is – it’s all in the past; and so far in the past that it’s been forgotten. What he’s talking about is no longer real. More to the point, it’s never been real for Taika Waititi who never experienced any of it. It’s interesting that Te Ara records “All Māori men were able to vote from 1867 and all European men from 1879.” – so they were entitled to vote 12 years before Europeans.
    
    I know that I was raised that everyone should be ‘equal’. Maori and their culture, in particular, were experienced, respected, and valued. As a child, I was entirely proficient in Maori waiata, poi, stick games, mythology, ritual, and spoke in pidgin Maori.
    
    From early adulthood, that was ‘beaten’ out of me as I was harangued by society that I had no part in that culture. Some of that ‘beating’ involved ‘formal warnings’ in work settings. I could not refer to it, talk about it, or participate in it – certainly not in the presence of Maori, without specific permission, only on the basis that I was perpetually and utterly inadequate and incompetent, and only if I acknowledged that NZ is not my country, I didn’t ‘belong’ here, and was and would ever be only a ‘guest’. Of course, that view still prevails – in terms of the majority of the population living in a distorted apartheid-like pseudo-democracy; but at the same time, we’re also all supposed to ‘embrace’ Maori culture, especially te reo, and its ownership of all official proceedings. In the meantime, their social problems have deteriorated and proliferated with no improvement in sight – and they’re committed to maintaining them to justify their perennial demands.
    
    While in theory, I remain committed to all human beings more alike than different with regard to all being ‘deeply flawed’, all having the same potential, and all deserving of the same dignity and respect – and I practice that in my personal contacts – I now have forgotten everything I once knew about Maori culture, have no desire for reacquaintance (my early experiences remaining my own valued ‘treasure’), and ‘know’ that Maori are in whatever positions they’re in only because they’re Maori – not because they’re able, skilled, intelligent, or effective. They’re given awards, money, power, position, and jobs just because they’re Maori – in everything.
    
    They derive a really perverse enjoyment from tyrannously forcing the population to ‘embrace’ a culture in which that population will perpetually remain ‘unentitled’ to any contribution and completely disenfranchised – something that was never done to Maori. Not only that, but they’re ‘proud’ of doing it and contemptuous of the people and systems which empower them to do it, especially the gullible ‘guilt-tripped’ taxpayers who finance it – something I have seen and heard personally on multiple occasions over decades. And, as I say, they have made it a profession to create and maintain generations of hostile ‘victims’ as a rationale to justify it which is hardly convincing of their ‘superiority’. What they are good at is pretending to be ‘harmless’ so they can get close enough access to cut your throat.
    
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    May 24, 2018 10:42am
    - GJM
      
      Nett result, Pakeha won’t hire maori workers if they have a choice etc. Unfare on the ones discriminated against who get no benefit of the gravy train, but inevitable
      
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      May 24, 2018 3:01pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I think I will fish out my old German text books and relearn the language I was fluent in as a teenager.
    The fact my son is learning German will help me in that exercise.
    
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    May 24, 2018 12:24pm
    - MH
      
      remember don’t listen to brass band music and avoid touring Russia in the winter.
      
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      May 24, 2018 4:01pm
      - Viking2
        
        Nothing wrong with umpha bands but it does appear that Germans visiting Russia in the winter hasn’t been spectacularly successful over the generations.
        
        May be Merkyl has been recruiting more people for the next attempt. I reckon plenty of her immigrants would sign up.
        
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        May 24, 2018 9:26pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    So compulsory Te Reo in schools would be a cultural abomination if taught to non-maori students?
    
    What about non-maori children participating in kapa haka?
    
    Or an Eden Park crowd singing the national anthem in Maori?
    
    Gosh, there’s so much we need to apologise for.
    Sweetcheeks, get the cheque book!
    
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    May 24, 2018 1:15pm
- lifesgood
  
  I had the misfortune to hear Red Radio this morning, honest to god this maori nonsense is getting longer and longer and right out of hand. Are they deliberately trying to piss off most of their listeners? It’s not as if anyone can understand it and they don’t give a translation so what’s the point, apart from stupid lefty virtue signalling, as usual.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:03am
- softail 1450
  
  kowtow, hack lame on tv1’s breakfast program is inventing a whole new language ,its called “pakemoodie”,its 1/2 moodie and 1/2 pakeha if you want a good laugh watch this fool trying to prove he’s te reo fluent .
  his fellow frontpersons give him some wierd looks when he spouts forth this new language,what a fricking cretin.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:05am
  - kowtow
    
    Campbell at 5 pm on RNZ does a very good impression of a cultural appropriator with his very long , unintelligible Maori intro.
    
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    May 24, 2018 11:42am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      It is a signal to listen to Larry Williams and suffer the ads.
      
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      May 24, 2018 1:28pm
- Rich Prick
  
  What about the #metoo “my body, my rules” rule? God it’s confusing keeping track of who trumps who on the Left’s victim pyramid.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:33am
- KevOB
  
  That also goes for the hoes on radio/TV–cultural misappropriation. Seeing there is no pan-tribal authority who has authorised this?
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:38am
- Kabull
  
  The difficulty I have with this growing ‘debate’ is – what is a Maori? If I have 25% maori in me, can I claim the right to a moko or other tribal privilege? What about the report a day or so ago claiming that Maori suffer more harm at work and in the environment than non-Maori? So how much maori blood do I need to fit that criteria? If ANY maori blood qualifies me, how am I more at risk than the larger part of me that is english/french/irish/pakistani/greek, etc? Worse, if my maori self is based on my feelings, rather than bloodline.
  If we are going to continue down this line of argument there will be a need to establish a clear definition of what is a maori, otherwise we will all end up claiming maori-targetted benefits.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:55am
  - KevOB
    
    Closely aligned: who are Maori? There is oral tradition of the arrival of several “canoes” here at different places and times.
    
    Hawaiiki is a large territorial area and not defined. Oral tradition separates them from being one. They are bound by the common myths and language similarities. These vary from island to island. Their differences meant there was no nation, it was each tribal canoe for itself. Rules demanded conquest and revenge; mana both demanded and was enhanced by it. Some of this is preserved in their tribal stories and art. Others are reposed in tribal lore entrusted to elders. That’s the problem of moko being appropriated by a pakeha woman. She can have no understanding of the significance that may be attached to a tribal design or fragment.
    
    Claims to rights are getting out of hand. We prevented musket-war genocide by agreeing to live peacefully among them. Adequate compensation has already been made for lands acquired. Internal tribal disputes are not ours to settle with even more cash.
    
    Health and other issues are ethnic. Our Maori population share the same problems as other Polynesians. It may be that Polynesia as a whole has gone “troppo” and this is reflected genetically. There is a natural slowing down to adjust to the equatorial climate. This puts that ethnic group as having measured typical performance expectations as in the bottom third of the pakeha population. That difference shows up in schooling, work, health, benefits, prisons. There is an enormous social cost which translated into budget terms means we are paying a continuing high compensation package without any Treaty issues.
    
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    May 24, 2018 12:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      KevOB , it is beyond dispute the Maori arrived here on or about 1300 based on Archaeological excavations and research especially at the Wairau bar Marlbourgah,
      
      https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/history/why-the-wairau-bar-is-so-important/
      
      Your whingeing not withstanding.
      
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      May 24, 2018 1:08pm
      - KevOB
        
        That was one load. Try to identify who they were and where they came from–impossible. At least one Ngai Tahu Elder believes that Ngai Tahu have connections to Easter Island.
        
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        May 24, 2018 1:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        once again you have misunderstood/misinterpreted what another commenter has written.
        
        KevOB has not posited that Maori/Early Polynesians arrived here before or after 1280-1300AD.
        
        He is arguing that today’s Maori have different origin stories.
        We know of at least 20 very early settlement sites along the East Coast of the North Island stretching from Houhora (Northland) to the Otago Peninsula.
        It is improbable that all these sites were developed in a short time period from the occupants and their immediate descendants of a single canoe.
        
        Much more likely is that a number of canoes arrived (at different locations) in NZ from Islands in East Polynesia (Cooks, Society, Austral Islands) over a time period of 100-200 years.
        
        Based on population estimates there would have had to be at least 3 – 4 canoe arrivals (at least 70-100 females).
        
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        May 24, 2018 2:36pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maggie, one thing that at least suggests that most if not all canoes came from a single group in the Pacific is that they all seem to have spoken a very similar if not identical language, there are essentially remarkably few regional variances in the Maori language.
        
        It is also generally acknowledged that canoes also went back to where they came from and recruited more settlers, or tried to.
        
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        May 24, 2018 7:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Ed Snack
        
        there are essentially remarkably few regional variances in the Maori language.
        
        Yes, that is a strong argument for a single origin site.
        
        And of course NZ Maori is most closely related to Cook Is Maori.
        
        But as far as I know there is still no physical evidence to suggest that the Cooks are any more likely to be Hawaiiki than an island in the Society Is or Austral Island groups.
        
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        May 24, 2018 7:33pm
    - GoVege
      
      Kev: All primitive societies cost a fortune in just about everything except the care of those who survive to old age.
      In their countries of origin, they just suffer/starve or die.
      Here, we do our best to support them, usually for FA thanks.
      The first thing they need to have impressed on them is that if you have more than 2 kids, then EXPECT to be po-ar!
      
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      May 24, 2018 3:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        GoVege, mostly false but continue to live in the outer margins of political and social irrelevancy and not forgetting, lunacy.
        
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        May 24, 2018 3:23pm
      - KevOB
        
        “The poor you always have with you.” In NZ we are struggling to create a society out of two differently abled groups. Recognition of that may assist us going forward.
        
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        May 24, 2018 3:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        Can’t you address the actual issues SB, instead of resorting to insults?
        I have lived among other races for many years and there are good reasons their societies are broke and they need to emigrate to the West.
        The #1 reason is sexism, which results in countless women and children (and occasionally men) being brutally bashed on a regular basis.
        It also results in females being forced to give birth to far more children than they can care for adequately, because males of these cultures have very little concern for their wives’ needs or wishes.
        The lives of many if not most women and children in non-western cultures are hard.
        That’s why kids from these cultures dominate our abuse and poverty stats.
        
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        May 24, 2018 7:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        Kev: the kids are disabled by their upbringing, not by their IQ or lack thereof.
        I know families from these cultures whose kids are doing extremely well and will have great careers.
        Like all families, not everything is perfect, but they have several factors in common:
        The parents stayed together.
        They had only a few kids.
        There was not excessive violence in the home.
        The parents kept tabs on the kids and encouraged their education.
        
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        May 24, 2018 8:09pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha I thought that as well.
  What about all those Pakeha Labour/Green Politicians who wear big Maori Bone carvings every day?
  Surely that will upset the Taniwha as well??
  
  *This whole story is a bloody ridiculous trainwreck- Woman claims she got a Maori Tattoo after she was raped by the Mongrel Mob?..Jesus Christ!
  
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  May 24, 2018 11:15am
  - Nermal
    
    I think it’s called Stockholm Syndrome
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:11pm
  - MH
    
    and its appropriate that ploy nesians can write various anglo saxon words on their necks and knuckles…
    
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    May 24, 2018 4:08pm
Philview

I endorse Mark Mitchell’s comments on RNZ about the referendum on legalisation of Marijuana. Rushing this process and not allowing full debate for the only reason that the Coalition Government doesn’t want the risk of this at election time is clearly wrong. He also raised the issue of cost.
I note that Jacinda is trying to side step this morning and saying that the Government may not implement the result. Her Government is the driving this referendum so she can’t have it both ways.
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May 24, 2018 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  Most regular dope smokers won’t have the motivation to get off their dirty couches to vote.
  Pro dope activists will though and strangely enough we’re debating legalising this stuff while others are openly calling to ban tobacco.
  
  Only in Aotearoa.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:36am
  - Longknives
    
    Hang on- Tamati Coffee and Marama Davidson have both slammed Democracy and Referendums this week after they didn’t get the result they wanted re Maori Wards..
    Yet Labour are having one for Cannabis? What if they don’t get the result they want??
    ‘Well it’s obvious stupid white men got that wrong…we are going to decriminalise anyway’..
    
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    May 24, 2018 11:09am
    - BeaB
      
      I am tempted to vote for legalization just to give Jacinda the job of deciding what to do with a majority vote from a referendum she supported.
      
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      May 24, 2018 11:24am
  - Piniwi
    
    But kowtow we have yet to see that they will apply an equal level of tax on dope as they do on tobacco. Not to do so is to suggest it is the preferred alternative to a fag. It is far more important to first establish a reliable roadside testing method for all social drugs.
    
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    May 24, 2018 7:15pm
- Nermal
  
  Can we have the referendum on Maori Seats at the same time? No extra cost
  
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  May 24, 2018 3:12pm
Harkman

“stupid little girl” this is perhaps the nicest way to describe Cindy. I can think up at least two hundred different names that best describe her.
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May 24, 2018 9:23am
- backster
  
  And it was invented by Trevor so it must be appropriate.
  
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  May 24, 2018 5:22pm
Left Right and Centre

hmmm . . .
When the PM gives birth . . .
That’s the closest anyone in Labour will get to actual labour.

They say the truth hurts, but you know what really hurts ? Small human coming out of your vagina.
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May 24, 2018 9:28am
- holysheet
  
  They say the pain during child birth is so great, a woman can almost imagine what a man with man flu feels like.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh, popping out babies is just a pretty short period of pain…
  of course, when your ripped vagina needs to be stitched up (without anaesthetic, of course) that can extend the pain.
  I can’t say I enjoyed the sensation of overfull mammary glands when your milk comes in… still, not as painful as when your little darling latches on and the milk flow begins (that never stopped being painful, even after 4 years)….still, not as painful as when one of your milk-ducts becomes blocked…
  still, not as painful as your tooth being drilled without anaesthetic.
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:57am
  - Manolo
    
    Fermati cara Maggy, per favore fermati! 😀
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:58am
  - softail 1450
    
    maggy wassilieff, break both legs as well maggy then you’ll know how bad man flu really is .
    
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    May 24, 2018 10:11am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’d rather not… have managed 60+ years without broken bones; would like to remain fracture-free.
      
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      May 24, 2018 10:54am
  - RF
    
    Maggie.
    
    My kidney stones must close to birth on the pain scale.
    
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    May 24, 2018 1:19pm
    - GoVege
      
      A simple solution is at hand RF:
      Go vegequarian! !
      
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      May 24, 2018 2:55pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      You think that’s painful.
      When you have your first crap after having your piles cut out – man, that’s painful.
      A friend of my wife had both – babies, and a Hemorrhoidectomy – she reckoned getting the piles done was more painful.
      ( I know – smartarse 😆 )
      
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      May 24, 2018 3:48pm
    - Longknives
      
      RF
      We seem to be ‘Kindred Spirits’ mate.
      
      I’ve been Hospitalised three times with Kidney Stones- The first attack (In my mid twenties) the pain was so bad I was screaming at them to put me out of my misery-Felt like someone stabbing me in the spine and twisting all the nerves…
      I cried like a little Girl- Thank Christ for Sister Morphine..
      
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      May 24, 2018 3:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        LK and RF: you have my sympathy.
        I’ve heard of the agonies of kidney stones.
        I’ve only known one person who had them.
        She also scalded herself once frying up chips.
        Somehow I feel the two conditions may be related..
        
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        May 24, 2018 8:15pm
  - GoVege
    
    You’re not supposed to let them nibble on the end Maggie…I did that with my first and it definitely hurt!
    My youngest, special baby has beautiful but unusually sharp teeth, which used to draw blood when he was 18 months old.
    Dunno which hurt more, the pain of incisors cutting your nipple or his pitiful crying when I had to detach him!
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:01pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Shoulda weaned him at 9 months.
      
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      May 24, 2018 3:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think in 6 years of breast-feeding I only ever got one bite. The eldest weaned herself somewhere around the 2 year-old mark and iIrc it was around then that she that tried to nibble the nipple.
      The chef never showed any inclination to detach from tittie…I must have bribed her with some other form of sweet delights before she started school.
      
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    picture complete….
    
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    May 24, 2018 4:09pm
oldgolfer

Please, not at this hour.
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May 24, 2018 9:47am
Manolo

The law of unintended consequences:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/22/mueller-russia-investigation-helping-trump/

New York Times columnist Frank Bruni expressed his alarm on Tuesday that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling could actually be helping President Donald Trump.

The Mueller investigation, Bruni argued, is dominating media coverage to the extent that it’s crowding out coverage of what Trump and his administration are actually doing.
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May 24, 2018 9:54am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes and most ordinary, decent Americans see the Mueller investigation for what it is – an attempted coup by a morally and intellectually bankrupt DNC aided and abetted by the MSM and Big Social.
  
  And ordinary, decent Americans are appalled by it. Hence the latest poll showing that the DNC’s lead in the polls for the mid-terms has evaporated and is now showing GOP in the lead.
  
  This is why the fucktards in the DNC are spreading the word that their operatives in the media have to stop talking about impeachment (because it’s turning the voters off). When you combine that with that human garbage Hillary globe-trotting and blaming the whole US population for not voting for her into her rightful seat in the WH – small surprise that the electorate is deserting the toxic progressives (why can’t ‘nice but dim’ National see this?).
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    DP, absolute nonsense!
    
    Thread by @KellyScaletta: “*Thread on the FBI Informant* Let’s take an honest, objective view of the whole “FBI informant” story and consider whether, based on what we […]”
    
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998986904682074112.html
    
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    May 24, 2018 1:10pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Well, for those following the whole saga, two new scraps of info.
      
      First, a little while back in an essentially unnoticed announcement, an unnamed DNC official admitted that the Trump Opposition research document which was much analysed and used as the basis for the claims that the Russians hacked the DNC server, actually came from an email taken from John Podesta’s email. Guccifer2 claimed to be the hacker and to have obtained the document from the DNC, turns out it wasn’t. So all the Russian metadata in that file, so carefully analysed, looks more and more like a deliberate red herring. If that document did come from Podesta’s email (which was accessed via a very standard phishing scam) then Guccifer2 was lying. Another reason to believe the Guccifer2 was a fake, a CrowdStrike setup, designed to further the narrative.
      
      Second interesting item. Joseph Mifsud, the professor who by the standard narrative story is a Russian agent of influence who was communicating with Papadopoulos, well after he was doing his thing with Papadopoulos and holding out the prospect of Hilary Clinton’s emails (note, not the DNC or Podesta ones) he spent some time hobnobbing with a number of senior British, Italian, and EU officials at a variety of locations. He also has long standing and significant links with the Italian intelligence organisation.
      
      Since he was identified as a Russian agent of influence, it does seem extremely odd that he was “allowed”to have so much contact with government officials and politicians. Surely the various western intelligence services should have been warning these people of his nefarious alleged status.
      
      Of course, if he really was an intelligence plant dragged in to “honeypot” Papadopolous then his late contacts (and his known existing contacts with Italian intelligence) is much more easily explained.
      
      Another interesting fact is that Carter Page was approached in 2013 by a Russian who attempted to recruit him. Page reported this to the FBI and that Russian was prosecuted. In March 2016 Page was giving evidence against that Russian at his trial. And yet some 3-4 months later he’s a suspected Russian connected person of such importance that the FBI applied for a FISA warrant to surveil him and any of his contacts. Oddly enough that warrant was sought after he was tapped to join Trump’s foreign advisory team. So that surveillance was able to be extended to cover the entire Trump campaign team.
      
      All these details, coming out slowly and only after a lot of pressure has been applied, very strongly suggests to me that an extremely illegal and unethical plot existed to use the US intelligence establishment to spy on the Republican presidential candidate with the direct intent to ensure that they lost to Hilary Clinton in the election.
      
      Has to be a story way bigger and far more sinister than Watergate. And just IMHO, it goes right to the top on the previous administration. Serious jail time has to be handed out to those responsible for arranging, organising, and approving such activity.
      
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      May 24, 2018 7:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack , suspicion and guesswork + suspicion and guesswork = suspicion and guesswork,
        
        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998986904682074112.html
        
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        May 24, 2018 7:56pm
- 4077th
  
  I posted an article by the Daily Caller on my FB page a little while back. A cousin from the US responded… “Daily Caller are very suspect source”. I responded, “where else do you suggest I get my news? CNN? MSNBC? BBC? who am I to trust?” He did not respond..sadly..
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:19am
Ross12

It looks like the new PM in Malaysia has opened a real can of corruption worms. The day after the election result was known he stopped the former PM leaving the country. A few days later the Police raided his two residences and some buildings associated with him. They took out 72 bags of cash and 264 handbags from one house (and more handbags than that from the other). Many of those handbags were Birkin bags (starting price US$10,000 !!) and some were full of jewellery etc.
They have been counting and recording the money, of many denominations, for several days.
According to this report 27 of the 72 bags had 109 million ringits (about NZ$30 million)

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2018/05/23/rm109-million-and-counting-one-third-of-cash-bags-linked-to-najib-documented/

This report says there was a total of NZ$40 million found although I note the total number of bags seems to be different for the two reports. Either way it is a sign of a massive amount of corruption, given this was just for the PM. Bound to be more for other people.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/05/23/about-rm120mil—cash-seized-from-pavilion-residences-finally-counted/

The 1mdb fund (Malaysian strategic development SOE) appears to be another major problem. Unfortunately it looks like Malaysia has some huge problems to solve (including a massive national debt). The voters obviously got it right!!

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/05/23/1mdb-unable-to-pay-debts-say-two-directors/
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May 24, 2018 10:15am
softail 1450

D P ,it gets better,hillary is going to be heavily involved in the mid term elections for the democrats, trump must be hoping they will put hilldadog,bat shit pelosi,and mad dog waters up as the front people for the whole campaign, and the democratic party may be stupid enough to actually do that.
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May 24, 2018 10:18am
Poppa

It seems the large fishing companies have been under reporting their catch. That is a surprise.

What is the Govt going to do about it then?

Winston will tell fisheries minister…nothing to see here, move on
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May 24, 2018 11:16am
- mandk
  
  Isn’t it worse than you present it?
  
  Hasn’t Winston First actively resisted plans to put better on-boat monitoring systems in place?
  
  More corruption?
  
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  May 24, 2018 11:32am
  - Poppa
    
    Yes you are correct there has been a change there, but this is actually falsifying returns which is possibly breaking the law
    
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    May 24, 2018 11:39am
- Paulus
  
  The fish catch report is from 2011 and has not been updated to present times.
  Who is behind this now – guess !
  Greenpeace Russell Norman.
  
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  May 24, 2018 1:11pm
JibberJabber

Stormy is getting the Key to West Hollywood, hope she does`nt forget to bring lube…

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2018/05/23/west-hollywood-present-stormy-daniels-key-city/35252077/
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May 24, 2018 11:52am
Prince

The lies from Ardern and Nash are being picked apart by Chris Bishop, piece by piece.
“CHRIS BISHOP to the Minister of Police: Does he agree with the Prime Minister, who said, “We’ve put $300 million into Police and over 900 new police officers as a result, and we’ve got another 2 years to finish it off”; if so, why did his Budget press release say that the $298.8 million was over the next 4 years and there was a further $159.7 million in 2022/23?”
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May 24, 2018 12:22pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Prince as we not so many targets being pushed out as promises become “pledges” or now declared as being aspirational? As the bleat goes on.
  
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  May 24, 2018 7:23pm
Captain Mainwaring

I’ve been offline all morning. I’d like to think that Hugh has been and gone.
Can anyone confirm?
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May 24, 2018 12:55pm
- stigie
  
  You’ve missed nothing Captain !~
  
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  May 24, 2018 12:58pm
- KevOB
  
  Hugh was in the first handful this morning.
  
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  May 24, 2018 1:52pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh seems to have a compulsive masturbation problem.
  
  On 14 April 2017 he commented:
  
  Capt Mainwaring … I would like to think that much of what I have written, in all fake humility, has stood the test of time. … Did you notice how Dr Oliver Hartwich, Executive Director of the NZ Institute compared me to Elvis within the Introduction to this years Demographia Survey !
  
  Oh my god – someone compared Hugh to Elvis!
  
  And, yes, Hugh returned to that Elvis theme and quoted Oliver Hartwich multiple times last year (including on 22 May 2017):
  
  So first of all, my congratulations and thanks to Wendell Cox and Hugh Pavletich: You have done the world a great service with your annual surveys and with your advocacy for housing affordability. When John Lennon met Elvis for the first time he said, “Before you there was nothing.” I feel the same way about your housing affordability index. Thank you.
  
  As Longknives memorably wrote:
  
  Hugh Pavletich – The ‘Rock Star’ of the Affordability Housing Index World.
  
  Hugh must wonder why his rock star talent isn’t appreciated at Kiwiblog!
  
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  May 24, 2018 2:34pm
  - Longknives
    
    I don’t remember writing that one Nostradamus but cheers mate for the Hat Tip…
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:52pm
Manolo

The messiah’s sticky fingers:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/23/grassley-rips-strzok-page-redactions-amid-mystery-text-obama-white-house-is-running-this.html

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, drew particular attention to one text that suggested the Obama “White House is running this,” in reference to an unspecified investigation.
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May 24, 2018 1:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, grasping at straws yet again,
  
  “..attention to one text that suggested..” Note the word” suggested ”
  
  Fox and you seem to treat it as though it was a fact!
  
  Sigh!
  
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  May 24, 2018 1:16pm
  - Manolo
    
    Your saintly (and incompetent) messiah could be in trouble, stephieboy.
    
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    May 24, 2018 1:26pm
softail 1450

O M G, Chippie hipkins is balooning quicker than “3 pies woods ” ,the stress must be causing him to become splodge like and bloated.
W T F are they serving up at bellamies? fish and chips and pizza exclusively.
willow “i wont fit my jeans”prime is whacking it on as well,all good I suppose if its all free on the taxpayers dime.
it truly pisses me off the perks all 120 of these professional bludgers manage to scrape out of the taxpayer,i ask where the fuck are my perks? i sometimes work 60 hours in a week and pay to much tax so this group of shite can help themselves to all manner of free “extras”. FFS
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May 24, 2018 2:19pm
softail 1450

quack quack Mallard is losing his mind .
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May 24, 2018 2:36pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Mallard the Duck (regarding a supposed interjection by Matt King): “Making noises which might be more commonly heard in a barnyard aren’t appropriate”.
  
  FFS!
  
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  May 24, 2018 2:48pm
  - Poppa
    
    That is hilarious!!
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:15pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh boy, I am laughing fit to bust! What an utter moron. He’s really lost the plot. Keep at him National, keep at him!
    
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    May 24, 2018 3:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Hansard is now available:
    
    Hon Gerry Brownlee: Point of order.
    
    Mr SPEAKER: Sorry, Matt King will withdraw and apologise.
    
    Matt King: I’ve done nothing. I’ve said nothing. I did nothing. I said nothing. What did I say?
    
    Mr SPEAKER: Order! The member will resume his seat. The member interjected while I was on—[Interruption] Yes the member did; I saw him. He was loud. I heard him. He mightn’t have used words, but he certainly interrupted. Matt King.
    
    Hon David Bennett: Supplementary question.
    
    Mr SPEAKER: No, Matt King is going to withdraw and apologise.
    
    Matt King: I withdraw and apologise.
    
    Hon Dr Nick Smith: For not saying anything.
    
    Mr SPEAKER: He made a very loud noise. He’s not a small man, and he made a—
    
    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I’d like you to please reflect on the advice you just gave the House about members being overly sensitive, because we’ve seen plenty of examples of that today.
    
    Mr SPEAKER: Yes, and—[Interruption] No, the member will resume his seat. What I’m saying is making noises which are not words in English but noises that might be more commonly heard in a barnyard are not appropriate.
    
    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. How is, effectively, accusing a member of this House of making a barnyard noise not a personal reflection?
    
    Mr SPEAKER: Well, I should probably have called it a loud guffaw of the type certainly not heard normally in this place.
    
    The Hansard transcript (link above) is worth reading in its entirety – National didn’t make things easy for Trevor Mallard today!
    
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    May 24, 2018 4:08pm
    - Longknives
      
      Ha Ha Mallard is a fucking fruitcake..
      National- Keep the heat on him guys! Make the lying prick crack under pressure…
      
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      May 24, 2018 4:17pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I laughed and chuckled my way through that but in reality it is pretty dire if this sad loser is in charge of our parliament. He has totally lost the plot. He’s showing himself up as one of those hopeless teachers that a year 10 class gets the better of and once that happens there’s no going back.
      
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      May 24, 2018 5:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

The Mallard vs. National show today was pure comedy.
My prediction is that after the two week break the Nats will get so pissed off with the useless prick that they will do a mass walkout.
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May 24, 2018 3:29pm
Pateke

Speaker very nearly lost it this arvo. Great comedy, with Brownlie getting right under Duck’s skin. Best part of it the Speaker acknowledges he has hearing problems.
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May 24, 2018 3:37pm
- stigie
  
  The Nats have not yet received a notice from Mallard why he told the media about the “stupid little girl” comment when it was demanded by Brownlee.
  The Nats deserve to know why he did what he did so they can sort shit out and move on.
  Mallard the prick won’t back down and consequently there’s been mass disruption in the house.
  I just hope Big Gerry keeps the acid on the prick or a mass walkout is due !~
  
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  May 24, 2018 4:03pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Speakers who have had a vote of no confidence lodged against them regardless of the outcome are unlikely to score themselves a knighthood. Trev will be sweating on that.
    
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    May 24, 2018 5:19pm
Nostradamus

On Sunday DPF blogged about Australia’s latest Walter Mitty impersonator – former WA Labor MP Barry Urban. Urban lied in public and in Parliament “for years”. He even lied to a parliamentary committee that was investigating him!

The committee also found Mr Urban — in both written submissions that included forged documents, and in his testimony before the committee — deliberately sought to mislead it, with no evidence to back up a string of claims.

So there’s a by-election next month to replace Urban. But WA Labor’s candidate seems to have trouble telling the truth too!

Western Australia’s Labor candidate for Darling Range is in the spotlight again, this time for claiming university qualifications she doesn’t appear to have.

Colleen Yates admitted on Wednesday it was “fairly ambitious” to have written the date range of 2016 to 2018 under her LinkedIn entry for an MBA, which she has not completed.

Ms Yates has been contacted for comment on a Fairfax report that raises doubts about university qualifications she claimed on the social media website to have obtained in the US. WAtoday has reported three US institutions – Washington University, Fort Lewis College and the University of Phoenix – said Ms Yates had not completed courses there.

Labor cheats – a new series coming soon courtesy of Morrissey.
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May 24, 2018 4:33pm
- stigie
  
  “a new series coming soon courtesy of Morrissey.”
  
  Won’t be as riveting as the ongoing groper series sorry Nostra..?//
  
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  May 24, 2018 4:41pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    Morrissey seems to be a bit soft when it comes to Labour gropers – no obvious names on his list of 34 (so far). A political series about Labour cheats would restore the balance, surely?
    
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    May 24, 2018 4:43pm
- mandk
  
  Isn’t there a by-election here next month in which the Labour Party is standing a candidate who has misrepresented his qualifications?
  
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  May 24, 2018 4:53pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Yes – and DPF blogged about it here.
    
    Had a phone call from a reader. He was reading up on the candidates for Northcote and checked out their Linked In profiles. He saw a MBA from AUT listed for Shanan Halbert (the Labour candidate). He checked out the AUT graduate page and they do not have Halbert as a graduate.
    
    He then checked back Halbert’s Linked In page the next day, and the MBA mention was gone. So looks like tracks being covered. However the Internet tends to leave footprints.
    
    [A] Holaconnect page for for Halbert says:
    
    Education
    Master of Business Administration (MBA)@Auckland University of Technology
    
    Below is a screen shot from Hola in case that gets edited also.
    
    So far we have 3 names for Morrissey’s Labour cheats list: Barry Urban, Colleen Yates and Shanan Halbert.
    
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    May 24, 2018 5:11pm
    - stigie
      
      How many are there in the Labour caucus again Nostra..?
      
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      May 24, 2018 5:53pm
    - mandk
      
      I wonder why Halbert’s dishonesty hasn’t figured as as an issue in the campaign.
      
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      May 24, 2018 6:18pm
noskire

Paula Bennett kicked out of Parliament as National filibuster Question Time – Watch the video in the article from 1:50 – the reaction from Paula as Trevor walks past is priceless!
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May 24, 2018 4:43pm
- lifesgood
  
  What I loved about that video was that Brownlee managed to get “stupid little girl” into the conversation over and over. Wonderful effort, Gerry!
  
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  May 24, 2018 5:34pm
  - noskire
    
    Yes, very cunning…
    
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    May 24, 2018 5:42pm
Surely Knott

By-election Results are in. Rural Waitakere Ken Turner wins against strong contenders and breaks the Labour-Green monopoly . Maungakiekie falls to Labour. Candidate profiles were interesting, including a candidate who’s skills included walking in the christmas parade as a blue smurf. And a Communist League candidate who “opposes imperialist war and foreign military intervention in the Middle East and elsewhere.” ” And is a supporter of Cuba’s socialist revolution”. Not sure when imperial war will becoming up on the local agendas but good to know where the candidates stand.
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May 24, 2018 5:00pm
big bruv

Do you think there would be a market for t shirts with horse faces picture on the front and the words “stupid little girl” underneath the picture?
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May 24, 2018 5:16pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Posted on Kiwiblog last year:
  
  Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  [T]he tooth fairy is truely hideous in real life, in full noise and full colour ! I have had the mis-fortune to share a meal with her, OMG, it was un-f**ken believable. When she drinks from a glass her teeth hit the glass before she drinks and it clinks. Really off-putting. She also has to chew with her mouth open which reminds me of the scene in star wars episode 4, when our heroes are trapped in the garbage compactor on the death star….the food is trying to get out while the walls are closing in.
  
  October 16, 2017 1:07pm
  
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  May 24, 2018 5:29pm
  - Longknives
    
    I’ve had the misfortune to meet the Left’s beloved ‘People’s Princess’ in real life as well.
    I won’t comment on her personal appearance (Although I must say she was certainly better dressed before she became PM- What are the Labour Spin team thinking with the perennial Red on Red/Cankle Boots combo?)
    But she is not the smiley, lovable person the Woman’s magazines make her out to be. When I met her she was a sour as vinegar and looked down at me (a humble public servant in those days) like I was a piece of shit on her shoe..
    
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    May 24, 2018 6:19pm
- stigie
  
  Fuck Bruv im all for it !~
  
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  May 24, 2018 5:38pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    I’ve almost given up on ever seeing Dad’s tell-all book, but I’m sure he could come up with some good T-shirt suggestions featuring some high-profile people. Should we set up a GiveaLittle page so Dad can get started?
    
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    May 24, 2018 5:46pm
    - stigie
      
      Yes Nostra, we’ll get big bruv to give him a hand !~
      
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      May 24, 2018 5:56pm
- holysheet
  
  Put this image on t shirt and it would sell 1,000’s
  
  https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b6/88/5d/b6885da70d859cc0c581b521fcccbb8b.jpg
  
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  May 24, 2018 6:35pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Time to go back some decades, to the 70s in fact, for the lovely harmonies of the Yandall Sisters with Sweet Inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ6kMt-E2wo
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May 24, 2018 5:55pm
slightlyrighty

Phone call for Mr. Twyford…..
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May 24, 2018 6:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Look, those rules are for plebeians…
  Woops…
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/358134/transport-minister-stripped-of-caa-role-after-phone-call-on-flight
  
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  May 24, 2018 6:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Maggy Wassilief, I thought cell phone calls were now permissible on Air NZ Flights?
    
    But sounds like a dastardly and heinous crime with a trip through traitors gates and the Tower of London.
    
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    May 24, 2018 8:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh go and tell Phil to retract his apology, then.
      
      If he thinks the rules are unnecessary, then he should have done away with them, eh.
      
      But he was the Minister in charge of enforcing the CAA Rules… and he NOW realises he had a duty to follow them.
      
      I wouldn’t like to fly with a bunch of yobs who think they can bypass CAA’s rules.
      
      Do you know the difference between a plane taxiing along a runway and a plane in flight? Perhaps that has something to do with that little announcement about when you can switch your phones on.
      
      Does Phil Twyford have a Pilot’s licence?
      Do you have a Pilot’s Licence, stephieboy?
      Do you know anything about Aviation, or Airports?
      
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      May 24, 2018 8:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilief , as I just noted its OK by you when Gerry does similar( bypasses airport security ), offers his resignation but his PM refuses?
        
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        May 24, 2018 8:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        as I just noted its OK by you when Gerry does similar
        
        Where did I write or say that it was alright for anyone ( let alone a Member of Parliament) to ever break any of our laws?
        Are you making shit up about me again, stephieboy?
        
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        May 24, 2018 8:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilief, I adamantly maintain you are highly selective and partial when you assemble your ” facts ”
        
        However, I do understand your memory lapses.
        
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        May 24, 2018 8:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Na stephieboy,
        It is you that forgot that you made the comment about Gerry to Gazza W below
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/general_debate_24_may_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2216259
        
        You hadn’t made any comment about Gerry to me.
        
        It’s not me thats suffering from comment confusion overload.
        
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        May 24, 2018 9:00pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy , way past your bedtime .
        
        Sigh.
        
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        May 24, 2018 9:03pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Cut the lying crap SB
      
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      May 24, 2018 9:21pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The best bit was that it was Crusher who potted him.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:22pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  “Hello?”
  “Hello, I’m looking for Mr Fuckup!”
  “I’m sorry, you have the wrong number”
  “Umm, no, I don’t think so!”
  
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  May 24, 2018 6:30pm
- nasska
  
  What a time for his call for phone sex with a Hot Milf & Horny Babe to be returned. 🙂
  
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  May 24, 2018 6:58pm
GazzaW

I wore a wry smile when I read about Twyford contravening CAA regulations using his celllhone on board an Air NZ aircraft. Just a touch of karma there given my recollections of Twyford screaming for Big Gerry’s resignation after illegally using a security door at Ch’ch Airport. Interesting that Gerry lost his portfolio while Twyford got the wet bus ticket treatment from Cindy. Help must be hard to find.
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May 24, 2018 7:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  GazzaW, but it’s Ok when Gerry does similar and his PM refuses his offer of resignation?
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:29pm
rightoverlabour

Stupid Little Girl
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May 24, 2018 7:05pm
kowtow

Something missing in this story.

https://www.thelocal.de/20180517/string-of-homophobic-attacks-in-berlins-neuklln-worries-lgbt-community
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May 24, 2018 7:47pm
stephieboy

kowtow, as if you really care about it with your kind of track record.

Especially prior to the rise of ISIS.
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May 24, 2018 8:04pm
- nasska
  
  You’re not totally useless……
  
  ……we could use you as a blueprint to build an idiot. 🙂
  
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  May 24, 2018 8:59pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Noooooo. There are already more than enough in the CoL.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:22pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Your blueprint would need to filter out Stephieboy’s traits that make him across as a sex maniac with “issues” when he’s around women.
    
    And that’s the full spectrum of women – from young “honeypots” and “beautiful young daughters … revealing … small but ample breasts” to older women, like Maggy, who excite Stephieboy’s imagination (MW, what sized undergarments do you wear?“). He even seems to fantasise about going to bed with Maggy – see his comment to Maggy above.
    
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    May 24, 2018 9:38pm
    - nasska
      
      He’s a sick unit all right Nostra.
      
      Might need lobotomised before cloning! 🙂
      
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      May 24, 2018 9:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeeeks, Nostradamus.
      I’m not going to bed ever.
      Never ever ever again
      
      (Crikey, I can’t damn well wear undies ever again and now I can’t go to bed without having nasty nightmares).
      
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      May 24, 2018 9:51pm
Monique Watson

Bwaahaha:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12058017

Give up bacon and booze.
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May 24, 2018 9:20pm
- nasska
  
  …..””No level of intake” of processed meats will reduce cancer risks, and experts recommend only a limited intake of red meat”….
  
  I’m doomed! Doomed I tell you!
  
  What the hell do these wankers reckon we’re going to have written on our death certificates of if we follow their batshit mad advice? There’ll be institutions full of totally gaga centenarians dying of absolutely nothing at all! 🙂
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:29pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Italy obviously didn’t get the memo. Lots of delicious food and tons of wine.
    
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    May 24, 2018 10:40pm
cha

Dutch investigators have concluded Russia was responsible for shooting down MH17.

Odds are they can identify those who committed the mass murder of 298 people, too.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-24/russian-missile-was-used-to-shoot-down-flight-mh17/9797308
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May 24, 2018 9:37pm
- cha
  
  So, Bellingcat were on the money.
  
  JIT present comprehensive markings proving the BUK telar that shot down #MH17 correspond to only one missile launcher…from the 53rd Brigade in Russia pic.twitter.com/v73DdfnTD7— Christo Grozev (@christogrozev) May 24, 2018
  
  Buk missile originated from 53rd Brigade of Russian Federation (three battalions, 300 people) – Wilbert Paulisson #MH17 pic.twitter.com/ieTNKGFsxs— anna holligan ? (@annaholligan) May 24, 2018
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:51pm
Left Right and Centre

South Auckland family of seven reduced to food bank visits – no detail

Questions . . . were they destitute with four kids ?
They are dirt poor now – stopping at five kids or will there be more ?

Oh – now I see they get $150 /week mother jobseeker, $220 / WFF – and bloke has just got a job, was on benefit. Cool.

I’m sure the kids are going to be really smart and successful – how ever many they end up having.
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May 24, 2018 9:54pm
Monique Watson

My advice for a long lived life: Marry up.
Eat bacon ’till your hearts content and tell a dirty joke and have an orgasm at least once a week.
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May 24, 2018 9:55pm
nasska

Contraception & commonsense were never part of the deal LR&C. They have a human right to breed like rats & have the rest of us pay for their privilege.

They’ve bred themselves into “poverdy” like the great majority of their fecund, low IQ, bludging mates.
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May 24, 2018 9:56pm
- GoVege
  
  Maori are under great pressure to produce kids, nasska.
  A Maori neighbour of mine told me she was almost 20 when she had her first….”the oldest” among her siblings.
  Apparently they don’t realize that one of the main criteria for getting a home loan is how many dependant kids you have.
  Probably why so many are homeless or having to live in grotty lodges.
  
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  May 24, 2018 10:56pm
KevinH

With reference to the second item on TV One’s News tonight regarding the culling of 90 cows on the Burgess farm in Prebbleton, suspected of being infected with Mycoplasma Bovis, serious questions need to be raised about MPI’s handling of this outbreak.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/one-news-at-6pm/live

In an interview with Guyon Espiner on RNZ today, Honorary Professor at Lincoln University Dr. Keith Woodford expressed the view that they ( MPI ) should stop the slaughter:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104136269/cabinet-expected-to-choose-eradication-over-containment-of-m-bovis

Dr Woodford said that MPI does not have the logistical capacity to manage this, there are huge delays between when they recognise the farm has to be traced and before they can get to the farm and put restrictions on it. Farmers just cannot get decisions out of MPI that they need to be able to deal with the situation.
Dr Woodford said that there is an animal welfare crisis looming in Mid Canterbury on approximately 100 farms due to movement restrictions. Farmers are unable to transport their animals to where the feed is.
He said that elsewhere in the world they manage it without these slaughter programmes, there is no easy solution, no perfect solution, whatever we do there are people who will be hurt.
There is a risk that the cure is worse than the disease.

Chief Veterinary Officer for the New Zealand Veterinary Association Dr. Helen Beattie says vets prefer eradication:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104181125/new-zealand-could-achieve-world-first-by-eradicating-mycoplasma

Cabinet will be meeting on Monday to make a final decision on what action to take. The favoured course of action is to head down the eradication route.
No doubt Cabinet will be consulting with expert opinion from MPI who may well be influenced by several international studies:

https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/dairy-news/dairy-general-news/m-bovis-suspect-imported-semen-norway-study

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378113518300130

Underpinning this crisis is the difficulty in detecting M.Bovis in herds, and the possibility that healthy animals may be slaughtered unnecessarily.
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May 24, 2018 10:23pm
GoVege

Spare the cows!!!!!
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May 24, 2018 10:42pm
starboard

one less shit stirring racist, good riddance

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104200433/ngapuhi-elder-kingi-taurua-has-died
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May 25, 2018 3:53am
Justitia

Ring the bells! Strike up the band! Dame Devoid has got the push from the Human Rights Commission. Time to close the whole wretched thing down.
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