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holysheet

I felt really patriotic and nostalgic after the royal wedding. It was the first time the Uk had made a black princess since British Leyland shut down!
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May 23, 2018 8:02am
- holysheet
  
  Just for the knockers
  
  http://static1.squarespace.com/static/56e8421ac2ea5108b73fe126/t/578600e09de4bb340b8e48bb/1468399842110/
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:28am
  - stephieboy
    
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    holycrap, understandably replaced by this,
    
    https://www.facebook.com/DatsunSunnyB310/
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:50am
    - holysheet
      
      Is this you?
      What do you call a guy with his hand up a Camel’s arse?
      An Arab mechanic.
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:53am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Arab porn?
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:03am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        A hungry Arab?
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:39am
      - softail 1450
        
        holysheet ,a foreplay expert??
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:46am
      - VicParking
        
        Morning Stephie ???
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:55am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Reminds me of an old joke…
  
  Prince Charles was doing the rounds of the BL factory, and he asked some bloke what he did. Guy replied, same as you guv, I put the big end in the Princess.
  
  Always made me laugh that 🙂
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:46am
- stephieboy
  
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  holycrap, retardedness is obviously hardwired into your genome.
  
  Pathetic!
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:48am
  - holysheet
    
    You mean like this fucker??
    
    https://cpnagasaki.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/obama-retard-2-capture.jpg?w=540&h=332
    
    Less we forget what a real shit he was.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      holy crap ,the truth wins out. It is really truly hard wired wired into your genome.
      
      Tsk, tsk, tsk.
      
      Sad
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:44am
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy, still a fucking idiot .im noticing you have a knack for repeating yourself you fool ,reread your post ???
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:47am
  - pentwig
    
    oh dear
    a bit close to the truth stupidboy
    LOL
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:03am
- Paulus
  
  Mine (company car) was a White Leyland Princess.
  By today’s standards what a load of crap
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:53am
  - starboard
    
    I once owned a Leyland P76, what a great car, 3.5 alloy V8. Wrote it off so whipped the engine out and put it in the jet boat. Went like a dog shot in the arse.
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:23pm
    - gorse
      
      4.416 alloy actually.
      
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      May 23, 2018 5:55pm
- Komata
  
  HS
  
  Tadish, ‘Oi’!!
  
  Expect a vist from Dame Susan, you naughty person you…
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:12am
Inandout

A very intelligent Jewish guest on Garner discussing the movie that invites ‘bombs’ left in the aisle. He says the protestors are now going to lie in the street outside the movie theatre. That is about as low as a human will sink, but typical of Leftists.
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May 23, 2018 8:04am
- G152
  
  High pressure hoses move a lot of debris off the streets.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Water cannons like the South Koreans have. That’d cartwheel those protesting lefties right off the street.?
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:31am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Add soap for extra trauma.
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:50am
    - sooty
      
      And a Penny.
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:36am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And refrigerate the water.
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:41am
    - softail 1450
      
      rich prick ,and a face cloth ,most of them stink FFS.
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:52am
- artemisia
  
  Couple of years back there was a bunch of rather untidy folk lying all over the front of the ANZ in Lambton Quay. Protesting something or other, and blocking entry. I politely suggested they move to allow me in, as otherwise it would not turn out too well for them. After many evils they grudgingly moved.
  
  PS I am not a tiny little thing.
  
  Just a thought …
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:10am
  - dime
    
    there are some great youtube vids of wimpy protestors with their skinny jeans and hipster bears getting in the face of actual men. large men.
    
    they are fucking hilarious. the look of terror when the wimp realises hes not behind his screen anymore. the quick scuffle that doesnt end well for said hipster douchebag.
    
    great entertainment.
    
    i also giggle when the odd over aggressive female hits the wrong guy. i know i should laugh but its comedy gold. equality isnt always what these chicks want
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:12am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Doesn’t wellington ban people from sleeping in the street.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:44am
- Duxton
  
  Where is it being shown? I would love to ‘step over’ these PsOS.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:32am
artemisia

Stuff reports “Just over half of New Zealand households cut back on heating their homes in winter due to the cost, a survey of nearly 1300 householders by Credit Simple found”. And “Cold, damp houses are the culprit for New Zealand’s high rates of certain childhood respiratory diseases”. Link below.

Meantime it is all the fault of mean and greedy landlords and MBIE is to put together minimum standards for heating inter alia, but only for rentals, under the Healthy Homes Guarantee Act. The MBIE regulatory impact statement (link below) has this to say, noting that portable heaters will not do the trick –

There is a well-established, reputable body of international evidence about the public health impacts of indoor air quality and temperature, and the health benefits of providing effective heating, insulation and ventilation. There is also reputable evidence that many New Zealand homes have deficient heating, insulation and ventilation and that this deficiency cannot be addressed with portable heating devices.

It is notable that no mention is made in the RIS of tenants choosing not to heat their homes for financial reasons. Or opening windows for ventilation. Or not overcrowding their rentals – an important cause of dampness.

We have yet to see what minimum standards MBIE recommends to the government, but it is looking like a fair bet that the responsibility and cost will sit squarely on the landlord’s shoulders. I guess there will be a few landlords left, most collecting some serious rent increases due to increased costs and high demand.

http://www.mbie.govt.nz/publications-research/publications/housing-and-property/ris-residential-rental-properties-heating-and-insulation-standards.pdf

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/104100512/being-cold-and-rationing-heating-is-now-normal-in-new-zealand
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May 23, 2018 8:05am
- KevOB
  
  Controlling the power bill is essential: our annual total is $3,600. Over 10% of net income.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:45am
  - stephieboy
    
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    KevOB, continuously leave the warmers on the lav seats?
    
    LOL
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:52am
    - Harkman
      
      You’re being a real nasty bastard this morning.
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:58am
      - pentwig
        
        it is a real nasty bastard every morning Hartman.
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:09am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s a troll , craving a response and attention. Don’t reply , just downtick to oblivion.
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:25am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Time to start using the report function on the little fucker. I already have, just need 5 more hardy souls.
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:30am
      - Duxton
        
        ABS – make that four more.
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:36am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy, the lav seat warmer keeps the contents warm for when you get hungry septicboy……
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:57am
- ex-golfer
  
  In most cases its an issue of priorities and knowing what is the best to use.
  
  eg. heated towel rails are the most inefficient use of power. They are pointless and very expensive to run. Yet I know people that keep their towel rails on 24/7 and then wonder why their power bill is so high.
  
  A towel that is properly aired and dried, and replaced every couple of days, is better .
  
  People also don’t understand the need for ventilation and fresh air. They close every nook and crevice in their house for 4-6 months of winter and then wonder why they are living in a damp, mould-infested property. Houses need to be ventilated. Windows need to be opened to allow fresh air to circulate.
  
  And closing curtains in the evening. Its pretty simple – yet I see peoples houses lit up like Christmas trees all night long with their blinds/curtains thrown wide open – and they wonder why their house is cold.
  
  Education, education, education.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:31am
  - MCos
    
    All the lights in my house happen to be downlights. I had them all replaced with LED lights that use almost no electricity.
    Also put in a heat pump which is very economical.
    Having a sunny & sheltered aspect is a bonus.
    Trouble is these things require a few grand initial outlay that a lot of people don’t have.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:49am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Agree with the Heat Pumps, installed a few in my place and as they both heat and cool they are brilliant – and pretty economical.
      
      Big user of power is typically hot water, a noticeable change when one teenager left to attend university !
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:10am
    - artemisia
      
      No worries about the initial outlay. Just sell up and rent, and the landlord will pay up to provide cheaper electricity via heat pumps, and airflow via an installed ventilation system.
      
      Maybe these will not be the minimum requirements in the new standards MBIE is putting together. But if the idea is for landlords to pay for 18 degree temp and they say the research shows portable heaters won’t cut it then the obvious answer is heat pumps (yes multiple units in many cases) or perhaps high output fixed panel heaters throughout.
      
      And don’t forget power points and extra circuits, plus ongoing sparky maintenance if PCU connections.
      
      The current requirement is for a fireplace or other approved form of heating in the living room. What is approved? Depends on the council, so basically nobody knows. But a power point or two with tenant or owner providing their own heater has been fine since 1947 at least (Housing Improvement Regulations 1947).
      
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      May 23, 2018 1:15pm
- kowtow
  
  Cold and rationing heating be damned.
  
  We have massive amounts of cheap , plentiful and local coal .
  
  What’s being rationed is common sense , there’s very little around as the elites push people away from coal and coal generated power.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Coal though isn’t a very good domestic fuel, and open fireplaces using a smoky and polluting fuel aren’t a great idea.
    
    Unfortunately power costs to generate and deliver (and maintain). All future expansion of our generation capacity will be relatively expensive so power is not going to get much cheaper.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:13am
- Prince
  
  Ignore that article. It’s essentially an add for Credit Simple (note the call at the end to join Credit Simple for power discounts).
  Just more unlabelled ‘advertorial’ content on Stuff.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:21am
  - kowtow
    
    So once again Fake News.
    
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    May 23, 2018 3:38pm
- alwyn
  
  Why on earth is anybody bothering to heat their house at the moment?
  Labour, in the guise of Grant Robertson doesn’t think beneficiaries need to bother with any heating until at least July. He so proudly boasts of the winter heating scheme he has put in but payments don’t start until 1 July. I guess he never bother to look at the weather records or he might have noticed that in many New Zealand cities June is the coldest month of the year, and May is colder than September, when the payment stops.
  I guess Grant usually has a little jaunt to the tropics during the Parliamentary Winter breaks.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:56am
  - starboard
    
    Robertson is a fat arse, he doesn’t feel the cold.
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:29pm
    - RF
      
      Now that you mentioned arses is Sweet cheeks the husband or wife in his relationship with alf ?
      
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      May 23, 2018 5:42pm
cmm

RNZ’s socialist infested newsroom just cannot face being honest when it comes to Venezeula.

Yesterday’s 4pm news broadcast made the comment that Venezuela’s problems are caused by low oil prices and a USA sanctions.

The last point was, I suppose, intended to blame Trump even though the order was put in place by Obama in 2015. Those sanctions only apply to seven people – not the nation as a whole. How do they hurt the country?

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=2377482&CategoryId=10717

No mention of low IQ or generations of corruption and unsustainable popularist welfare policies. No mention of nationalising the oilfields which drove all the petroleum expertise out of the country.

Low oil prices are not the problem. High oil prices have just helped to mask the problems. The benefits of periods of high oil were squandered on partying up, rather than on investment in long term societal change. That’s low IQ behaviour for you: don’t worry about the future just piss it up when you get the chance.

Perhaps, like poor school performance, we should blame RNZ’s failings on poverdee in the broadcasting sector. If we increase the new NZ On Air koha from $38 million to $50 million I’m sure they’ll be able to get the news right.
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May 23, 2018 8:08am
- stephieboy
  
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  cmm, why do you seem to have your ear/eyes persistently glued to Red Radio?
  
  Red fellow traveller ?
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:55am
- Huevon
  
  The contrast with the Spanish language press is striking. Spain is leading a large group of countries in condemning the election and the on going violence and corruption in Venezuela. Two former Spanish premiers – both socialists – are backing the Venezuelan opposition. There are protests being held in Madrid and Miami, both cities with large exile communities.
  
  From the NZ government, nothing.
  
  From the English-speaking media, obfuscation and rationalisation.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:00am
Andrei

Setting the cat among the pigeons on GD

Who will like this?

Whose heads will explode?
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May 23, 2018 8:08am
- lofty
  
  Not mine, I see this and your posting for what it is.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:30am
- holysheet
  
  When you see someone praying after a disaster. Who are they praying too?, the God who did this tragedy, or the one who refuses to do anything about it?
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:40am
Souvlaki

Strange to find oneself in Auckland being in agreement with rabid left wing councillor Cathy Casey and like minded commentator Brian Rudman ! The deviousness of Mayor Goff, spending $1M of taxpayer money to commission report then redacting the findings is in reality a huge 2 fingered salute to democracy and the long suffering ratepayers in Auckland, “raped”by those in charge?
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May 23, 2018 8:09am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, & it keeps getting worse for Goofy, with complaints being made to the Ombudsman’s office about Goofy & his office not making the report freely available even to councillors.
  Casey & other councillors have complained that they can’t read an original copy of the report without staff from Goofy’s office standing over them.
  
  Open & transparent, yeah, right!
  
  A council officer I know, said she heard Goofy on the radio on Monday & said she didn’t believe a word. She went as far as to say she did not believe the engagement of Own to write the report was not in accordance with council procurement procedures.
  
  Oh dear, Goofy’s office is out of control, what a surprise!
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:55am
Simon

Was Metiria Turay a National party spy? She was such a fuckup gonna to have to say yes.
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May 23, 2018 8:09am
holysheet

Actions have consequences. Cindy harangues Turnbull and the aussies over the bludgers on Manus Island, AND they retaliate by ignoring her pleas over the Kiwi kids living on the streets.
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May 23, 2018 8:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  If the NZ taxpayer are to be financially responsible for the homeless kiwis who chose to move overseas and are now living on the streets in Australia, won’t we then be responsible for every other kiwi who has moved to any other country? This could quickly get out of control. ?
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:45am
  - Piniwi
    
    @waikatogirl there seems to be a disconnect here that has not been noted yet. Homeless Kiwi’s in Australia as a result of broken families. No benefit payments.
    Local homeless from broken families sleeping on the streets with generous benefits? What are we doing wrong? While the brain drain has started to crank up it is unlikely we could include any homeless in the exodus could we?
    
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    May 23, 2018 2:40pm
- kowtow
  
  There’s a meme here in NZ of knocking the Ocker and yet …….
  
  ‘Australian military contracts could deliver up to 500 jobs and help kick-start a new wave of engineering in Dunedin, a major firm says.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/engineering-hub-could-deliver-hundreds-jobs-dunedin
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:13am
oldpark

Rumour in Wellington regarding the Kapiti Councillor who has been accused of some sort of alleged sexual behaviour. To prove he was not capable of such a so called dastardly deed ,he had his penis measured. Now it is also alleged after the magnifying glass did its job,facts are being released that he has a pair of balls on him that would kill Crazy Horse. “Beat that”.
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May 23, 2018 8:09am
BeaB

Jacinda tells us a Royal visit will have commercial benefits. You can always rely on a socialist to spot the money.
Imagine John Key, or anyone, being so crass.
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May 23, 2018 8:10am
- Gravelroad
  
  But doesn’t she favour NZ becoming a republic?
  Having made that stand, she kinda has to spin why a visit from the royal toffs would be a good idea.
  The PM is resentful of economic status and social “class”, but if there is money in it for socialist spending, that’s different.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:19am
  - RF
    
    Ah so. Think of all the selfies with baby on hip hugging Harry & Meghan.
    
    That’s what she is there for…. right ?
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:28am
  - KevOB
    
    The money is for photo ops for Taxcinda. There will be the baby too. That’s if she survives.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:46am
- kowtow
  
  For someone whose main attribute is verbal diarrhea , you’d think she could manage ;” closer cultural ,traditional, historical and constitutional ties ”
  
  She would have if it was “Pasifika”.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:29am
- hullkiwi
  
  Mrs HK was saying last night, that she heard on the radio.
  
  That because nothing is official about any such visit, she has made no plans in her diary for such an event.
  
  Well bigger me silly. Who does Toothy think she is? The Governor General or something? Such a visit will be a private affair & will not require excessive interference from Toothy, who will be wanting to share in the publicity glow of a royal visit.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:46am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Will she turn up in her slippers?
    
    She has form for doing that to visiting dignitaries.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:27am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Invite them round for a batch of home made scones, jam & Duchy Originals Organic Clotted Cream with smug of tea.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:41am
    - lifesgood
      
      And then being hugely disrespectful by going out to meet a bunch of smelly greenies in the middle of a meeting. She is the most low class PM ever. If her father is as useless in his tropical paradise he doesn’t deserve the job.
      
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      May 23, 2018 11:46am
      - RF
        
        It is known that Cindy has caused her parents more than a few grey hairs.
        
        She was a closet rebel in her youth.
        
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        May 23, 2018 5:50pm
Manolo

Your move. High-stakes chess:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-north-korea-summit-preparations-ongoing-may-delayed-163113427.html

U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday said the White House was continuing preparations for his expected meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un but that he was prepared to cancel or delay it if certain conditions are not met.
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May 23, 2018 8:13am
Simon

The magical negro is in deep shit. Looks like the impossible someone more corrupt than Hillary.

Jail time for Zero. Looks like he got it all organised and Hillary went along with it.
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May 23, 2018 8:15am
- cmm
  
  Sorry I can’t see it.
  
  No US president has ever been imprisoned (has one ever even been charged?). If it got close they’d be pardoned.
  
  There’s a small club and you’re not in it.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:29am
  - Simon
    
    The Trump / Putin lie created by Zero lead to abuse of power and crimes committed by senior DOJ FBI officials. Zero was running these guys.
    
    The crimes against Trump continued after he won the election. Hillary was a side show in the end.
    
    Zero has been spying on opposition for a long time, not just Trump. Then he sets thugs from FBI & DOJ on to them.
    
    Hodgkinson shoot up those GOPers directly because of Zero’s lies.
    
    It is different this time. The abuse too wide spread to go unpunished. Jail time for Zero for the good of the republic.
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Simon, bollux !
      
      BTW the Mueller investigation is of a comparably short length compared to Watergate and Iran contra etc.
      
      In that light he needs to feel he has all the time in the world.
      
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      May 23, 2018 12:31pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    ….has one ever even been charged?
    
    Nixon and Clinton.
    https://www.history.com/topics/watergate
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:59am
    - cmm
      
      Both Nixon and Clinton were pardoned long before they got anywhere seriously down the road to prosecution.
      
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      May 23, 2018 12:18pm
  - alwyn
    
    I believe the Ulysses S Grant came closest. He apparently liked to drive his horse-drawn buggy in Washington at speeds that exceeded the limit. He was apparently once arrested as a repeat offender.
    I have no idea what happened after that but you can be sure he never actually served time.
    
    Jefferson Davis, who was the President of the Confederacy was locked up for 2 years after the Civil War, although he was never actually charged with any crime. Does he count?
    And so endeth the trivia for the day.
    
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    May 23, 2018 11:08am
Poppa

I see “3 pies” Woods is going to save us all from those evil power companies charging too much.

You guessed it, she has ordered an inquiry..

I am willing to bet plenty that we never see the result of said inquiry
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May 23, 2018 8:15am
- Manolo
  
  Mrs Woods can be rightly called the “Queen of Inquiries”, a rotund one!
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:18am
  - holysheet
    
    Is she a relation of Henry VIII?
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:23am
    - RF
      
      I’m waiting for her inquiry concerning the quality of steak pies verses mince.
      
      She’s offered to be the quality controller and taking one for the team by eating 20 pies per day.
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:32am
- Harkman
  
  See the bitch last night saying that she couldn’t do anything about petrol prices? Most of the price is taxes. Scatterbrains.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:04am
  - backster
    
    Yeah the petrol companies make 5 cents a litre so Petrol would be 5 cents a litre cheaper if all their profit was eliminated.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:10am
    - MCos
      
      About half the price of petrol is made up of tax, excise,ETS & GST.
      The rest is oil, refining etc with various petrol relating industries profiting along the way.
      These characters can charge whatever they like and to a degree say what they like to justify themselves.
      Under our capitalist system as long as the various rival companies don’t collude over prices there is little the government can do short of fixing prices.
      That’s fine for about two weeks until circumstances change and the pressure is on for the government to alter the base prices either up or down.
      NZ has been through all this sort of socialism in the not to distant past.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:53am
      - MCos
        
        https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/
        
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        May 23, 2018 11:05am
- oldgolfer
  
  Steak and cheese and you’re on.
  I jest.
  You are right, Poppa, it will slip into a bottom drawer somewhere.
  Chances are that by the time a quarter of these reports are ready, Cindy and Robbo will be in opposition.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:37am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I think it’s fair to judge a politician on such an obvious lack of self discipline as Woods displays, just as for Peters and Brownlee.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:53am
- softail 1450
  
  poppa ,”3 pies woods” ,I seriously nearly fell off my chair laughing,its the best yet, LOL.
  
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  May 23, 2018 12:53pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The face that ate a thousand chips.
    
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    May 23, 2018 2:20pm
Paulus

Listening to the little git called Parker praising Catastrophe Cindy for sorting out a possible FTA with the EC when she was gallivanting recently.
France will block our main Dairy Exports for a starter.
For information such an agreement has been under discussion even before Parker rorted people in Dunedin and that is over ten years ago.
The EC now want to get in before the UK after Brexit with both Australia and New Zealand.
It may well be a joint exercise between both countries as it is so small for the EC.
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May 23, 2018 8:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  FTA with the EU can’t be officially negotiated till after Brexit…….so this is a meeting, no different to the meeting National had a couple of years ago, to set this up.
  France blocking dairy exports…not a problem that will exist when real negotiations begin, in a couple of years, The cattle cull will mean we no longer have a “dairy industry”.
  Parker: “…could mean an increase in exports to the EU from $10bill to $12bill…”
  No stadium in Auckland and give aways to the Islands/ Swedish embassy, would drop even more to the bottom line.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:40am
  - RalphT
    
    “….so this is a meeting,”
    
    Not even that; just a “conversation” to start things off
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      One of those café meetings where two trading countries just ‘bump’ into each other no doubt
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:22am
    - Piniwi
      
      But RalphT lest we forget it was how they got the TPP and the China FTA started they are not just good finishers.
      
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      May 23, 2018 3:03pm
  - oob
    
    FTA with the EU can’t be officially negotiated till after Brexit
    
    Yes it can, you’re talking out of your arse.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:04am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      NO it can’t.
      The first rule agreed to by both parties was, that there could be NO negotiations or agreements entered into before Brexit was complete!!
      Because
      Until the completion of Brexit, both parties are still members of the EU and come under the trade negotiation framework of the EU.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:02am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Which seems unduly restrictive. Why no negotiations on terms to come into force once Brexit is completed ? I agree that they cannot come into force early, but this looks like the EU bureaucrats being ultra protective of the sinecures and privileges.
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:18am
      - Piniwi
        
        Don’t panic RW it will be Parker involved in the “negotiations” so it will do little more than idle away until a negotiator takes over when the time is right.
        
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        May 23, 2018 3:06pm
  - alwyn
    
    There is nothing to stop the EU as a whole negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with anyone.
    It is only Britain which cannot do such a thing while they remain a member. As long as they are a member they are bound by the EU rules.
    
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    May 23, 2018 11:11am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Not true ALL members are subject to the EU’s regulations, until the moment of Brexit.
      So the UK can’t, but neither can all the other members either individually or collectively.
      
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      May 23, 2018 12:34pm
      - Batman
        
        Sorry RW, you might have to give up
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/eu-and-new-zealand-start-free-trade-talks
        
        “EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström will travel to New Zealand in June for the formal launch of negotiations. The first rounds of talks is set down for July in Brussels.”
        
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        May 23, 2018 2:20pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But RW Capitalist it interesting watching from so far away how so many pressures are coming to bare on the NZ economy. The effects of M.Bovis on dairy export volumes will hinder any prospect market expansion even to the extent of struggling to meet current demands. Steadily rising crude prices being paid for with the devalued dollar is already pushing pump prices well ahead of the extra tax grab. Nobody can argue the trickledown impact that fuel prices have on all food, goods and services hastening the increase of inflation leading to higher interest rates.
    Thus the COL need a smoke screen of “good” stuff like a trade deal and a trade deal there topped of with a toff visit on top. Then there has been the constant fall-back of the “baby” as the crowd goes “oh the beautiful little baby”. Must channel those feelz.
    
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    May 23, 2018 3:00pm
- calendar girl
  
  NZ and Australia to work together closely on an FTA with the European Community?
  
  Before that occurs, what will PM Ardern do to mend her dysfunctional relationship with Aussie counterpart, Turnbull? She wouldn’t take ‘No’ for an answer from him at their first interaction.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:46am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    could TAKE ‘NO’ , but he kept giving it.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:07am
- oob
  
  Any FTA with the EU will of course exclude agricultural imports.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/22/eu-trade-talks-australia-new-zealand-brexit-commonwealth
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    “Free” trade with the EU.
    
    The level of subsidies they give their farmers is eye watering.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:38am
    - backster
      
      It seems to me that it is simply a tactic by the EU to white ant the Poms. The negotiations will procrastinate for years and lead to nothing .
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:25am
- Philview
  
  Parker issued a short but powerful sentence this morning, something like “alignment over environmental and employment law”. It sounds like they plan to lock NZ into some kind of EU left wing straight jacket that will prevent any future National Governments from easily undoing what they are currently putting in place.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:43am
Simon

News from the Greens:

Since the off shore oil mining ban the climate in NZ has cooled. It has only been a few months but the Greens who understand this sort of thing are giddy with excitement.
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May 23, 2018 8:18am
- KevOB
  
  The climate has been measured as being in a stand still for over 20 years. Predictions are now increasingly favouring long term cooling.
  
  We are coming to a point where it may be obvious even to the greens that they are going to have to blame National for the cooling.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:54am
  - rangitoto
    
    It’s that John Keys fault.
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:04pm
Nukuleka

Caught a shuttle from Christchurch Airport the other night and watched with interest as the driver attempted unsuccessfully to navigate the myriad of narrowed, blocked off, no right turn/ no left turn/ no entry streets to drop off a passenger at a central city hotel. In the end he gave up and took me home first, intending to have another go after depositing me.

These impenetrable inner city Christchurch streets are not simply the result of ongoing repair work. They are the result of idiotic traffic/ street /city planners who, in the words of the shuttle driver, want to prevent anyone except cyclists and bus users from gaining entry to inner city Christchurch. Apart, that is, from the mythical inner city apartment and town house dwellers that the myopic Christchurch City Council believe are going to be living within the four avenues. There’s certainly little sign of these creatures as yet. They only ever make an appearance on the glossy concept drawings the planners love to produce.

If anyone is interested in seeing just how nonsensical it all is come visit and see the idiocy for youselves. There are a good few laughs in it before the tears start to well! Inner city Christchurch is doomed.

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May 23, 2018 8:18am
- VicParking
  
  Whanganui is the same. The council is pandering to 100 cyclists and thumbing their nose at the 10,000 motorists. So much for their join pedestrian/cycle way in St Hill Street. I have not seen one Cyclist use it. They prefer to hold up traffic on the street.
  The council has temporarily removed the. Traffic lights at a couple of intersections to put in new ones. The new temporary roundabouts have improved traffic flow 100%.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:39am
- KevOB
  
  As a newbie to CHCH I have to agree. There is an enormous quantity of empty space. The population has fled and resettled elsewhere. It would be a brave, well heeled, developer who could expect a profitable outcome.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:57am
- Harkman
  
  It is a spectacular balls up. F#%king ridiculous.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s a cheap, ongoing object lesson in the incompetence of professional town planners, and the flawed assumptions of their whole profession. Cities and industry just move their growth to places that suffer less from interference of planners.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:19am
    - Harkman
      
      They’re getting rid of every single roundabout in Chch and putting lights in the middle of nowhere and putting double lane cycleways so streets can no longer fit two cars down the street at the same time.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:47am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry to say, what you & the driver experienced the other night, is and will continue to be visited upon all the countries major centres. It is a two stage process, as follows:
  1. Make the city & urban shopping areas difficult to navigate by car. This past includes making roads one-way, use of bike lanes, making lanes for cars as congested as possible (by adding bus only lanes or making a car lane more crooked than a corrupt politician);
  2. Once car drivers have given up using town centres – pave over the road and turn it into a pedestrian mall.
  
  What these dumb planners have not connected, is that over time this practise has killed inner city retail areas & forced large scale retail to out of town malls e.g. Westgate, Albany, Botany & Manukau. In the UK, for more than a decade politicians have decried the demise of the high street & employed consultants etcetca. to tell them the blindingly obvious – high street retail has been changing/dying for 30 years & planners making pedestrian malls everywhere have hastened the death of city centres. E.g. if you as a store owner selling bulky furniture, are you going to be in Auck city centre or in an Albany where people can take away their purchases in their cars?
  
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  May 23, 2018 12:45pm
  - sooty
    
    Who would want to have a shop if their is no one to buy their goods. A few smelly cyclist are not going to bkeep your shop open.
    
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    May 23, 2018 4:41pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right Nukuleka could not believe what a disaster the “new” Christchurch has been turned into on the last home vacation. It as if they intent on creating problems where they had an enviable smooth traffic situation of the avenues circling the city and a good one way system inside that. Now the inner city is full of islands and deciduous trees that seem to favour the large leaf varieties that block drainage faster than any they can be cleared. In fact most only get cleared when it floods as we have seen in so many regions after recent storms. We’ve all seen the footage of the council worker standing in 2 feet of water trying to unblock the drain. Meanwhile the local arts centre is high and dry.
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:17pm
Simon

LONDON, May 21 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) – A Swedish city is advising girls who fear being taken abroad for forced marriage or female genital mutilation (FGM) to tuck a spoon in their underwear before going through airport security.

Airport staff in Gothenburg have been told how to respond in such circumstances, said Katarina Idegard, who is in charge of tackling honour-based violence in Sweden’s second biggest city.

“The spoon will trigger metal detectors when you go through security checks,” she told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. “You will be taken aside and you can then talk to staff in private.”

“It is a last chance to sound the alarm,” Idegard added.

http://news.trust.org/item/20180521143014-t6wnn/

Diversity dividend.
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May 23, 2018 8:20am
- VicParking
  
  I would suggest a rat Trap.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Would girls of that age have any idea of the purpose of their trip overseas?
  Would they be happy with the idea of being taken from their families and placed in State care?
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:34am
cmm

Herald running a story on how buying a cup of coffee created $8 million of value for us.

The picture on their main page shows Cindy on the phone. Isn’t she amazing. She can turn a cup of coffee into $8 million! That’s financial genius right there.

Imagine if she ordered coffee for the whole cabinet! Every day! We’ll all be trillionaires before Our Baby is born!

I wonder if the same works when Winnie buys a double, or is it only Cindy that has “the touch”?

Meanwhile the story itself is a bit less spectacular:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12055472
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May 23, 2018 8:22am
- VicParking
  
  I’m sure the UE is looking at the video as we speak. “Wow, this coffee thing is a new idea. Let’s import coffee from NZ and setup coffee shops in Paris and Rome. That term ‘barista’ is new let use that as well”
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:44am
Wayne Mapp

There is an article in the NZ Herald Business section, The Future is Electrifying, which is hard to take seriously. It refers to a report by Stakeholder Stategies commissioned by Transpower, but not publicly available. One of Stakeholder Strategies partners is David Cunliffe. So presumably Stakeholder Strategies is very influential with the current Labour led government.

Anyway one of their predictions is that electric vehicles will make up 40% of the 3 million vehicle fleet by 2030 and 85% by 2050. Presumably the 40% by 2030 is a high side figure.

In reality the 2030 figure of 40% is absurd. It implies that NZ will import 110,000 electric vehicles each year (as an average) for the next 11 years. Presumably a lot more in the late 2020’s and fewer in the next few years. At least half of all NZ light vehicles imports are second hand, typically at least 5 years old, and for next few years virtually the only second hand electric vehicles will be Nissan Leafs. We are obviously going to import the entire world production of second hand Nissan Leafs for the next five years!

Even the 2050 figure of 85% is ambitious given that the NZ vehicle fleet has an average age of 12 years, which means half the fleet is older. There is still a huge number of 20 year old cars on our roads. Perhaps 50% electric might be attainable by 2050.

I would be surprised if even 10% of the vehicle fleet is electric by 2030.That is still 300,000 vehicles, or around 30,000 imports per year.

If the government is basing its policies (climate change being this government’s nuclear moment) on such poor research, we are in for some huge white elephant projects, and some extreme mandatory policies around car ownership.
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May 23, 2018 8:25am
- holysheet
  
  Any thing has that, sorry to be a man SilentT, involvement is destined to fail.
  Where will they get the power from to charge all those batteries?
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:33am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Where will they get the power from to charge all those batteries?
    
    Oh that’s easy. The power is just, kinda, ummm…. it just is . It’s….. there . Geddit?
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:13am
    - Piniwi
      
      Thanks DM do miss that simple child logic that most move on from but enjoy seeing it in the little people. Seems Gang Green seem to be able to fill their ranks with those who retain it.
      
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      May 23, 2018 3:27pm
- lofty
  
  I am not looking forward to trying to transplant electrics into my 1935 Chev.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:34am
  - alwyn
    
    I’m sure it would be a piece of cake.
    You must have seen the Genesis ad starring the old codgers like me with their electric powered 57 Ford.
    Just take your Chevy along to them and I’m sure they’ll do it in a heartbeat.
    It might cost you an arm and a leg and perhaps your hip and knee replacement parts but it would surely be worth it.
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:03pm
    - lofty
      
      True, and as an extra bonus, I will never have to pull the engine out to replace the bloody frost plugs.
      Fantastic!
      
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      May 23, 2018 12:47pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Sounds very much like, 100 000 houses in 10 years.
  Did Twyford do his numbers, did anyone check them?
  Labour…..This is the correct spelling of….
  F A N T A S Y.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:47am
- VicParking
  
  Twitford is going to give one away an electric car free with each KiwiBuild house. A charging point is going to be added to every garage so that the three relatives who live there on bail can charge their phones.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:48am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Like the house, you are more likely to get a toy car of perhaps a picture of one.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:09am
  - oldgolfer
    
    If I could tick twice I would.
    
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    May 23, 2018 1:43pm
- tf78
  
  I think those figures will turn out to be correct if done by percentages as by then everybody will be on bicycles.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:50am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The young at Treasury will be whipped into line and come up with the correct figures for Mr Twit and his Kiwifraud scheme. Nothing will be too much for the non-tax paying members of society. ?
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:02am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Looked at tesla as an option for my latest purchase; drove a couple as well.
  
  Their build quality is on a par with Korea when they first started building vehicles. Its totally shit. Parts are almost impossible to get here in UnZud, and as for charging, forget it – long runs especially. Insane mode is a cool quirk, but for my money, give me launch control and the roar / whine / howl of a V8 any day. And yes, my petrol bill is horrendous 😛
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:55am
  - Paulus
    
    But Calamity Cindy has a taxpayer paid for Tesla so it must be wonderful, see.
    
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    May 23, 2018 1:09pm
- KevOB
  
  Even more absurd is the massive high load electrical reticulation needed throughout NZ to provide this foggy green dream. Batteries hold energy, are sensitive and inefficient storage compared to petrol and diesel.
  
  It’s not impossible batteries may also be obsolete with 10 years.
  
  Ignore feelings–where are the savings.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:04am
- Andrei
  
  The owners of electric vehicals are freeloading thay don’t pay road user charges like the rest of us do, either directly for diesel engined vehicles or indirectly by the levies on petrol for the rest of us.
  
  I wonder what the government would do with kerosine gas turbine powered cars?
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:06am
  - Komata
    
    Andrei
    
    Re: ‘I wonder what the government would do with kerosine gas turbine powered cars’?
    
    Perhaps contact GM and Rover (or whomever owns the latter): both organisations carried-out experiments on such vehicles during the ’50’s and ’60’s.
    
    No need to ‘reinvent’ the wheel…
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:58am
    - Andrei
      
      There are still a few gas turbine Chryslers from the sixties in the road
      
      As for Rover, it baecame part of BMC and was sold to BMW in the 1990s – The last old style minis were badged as Rovers
      
      BMW sold Rover to Ford but kept the Mini marque and Ford sold Rover to Tata an Indian company who have kept the Land Rover Marque in production. They also own Jaguar which they also aquired from Ford
      
      So there you go – the iconic English car brands are now Indian owned except for the Mini which is German
      
      Interesting – no?
      
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      May 23, 2018 11:33am
- Harkman
  
  It won’t be 40% only electric, that’s 11.5 years away. The technology won’t arrive that fast, they’re still miles off.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:09am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    VAG, (VW et al), biggest= car company in world with 10,000,000 annual sales is anticipating 30% electric sales by 2025 (and betting huge sums on it, like $50Billion battery order)
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:26am
    - Piniwi
      
      @UN there is the answer right an electric combie Van for home and away to speak. Any distant charge point can be your home for the night to be away come the dawn.
      
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      May 23, 2018 3:34pm
- Ross12
  
  Wayne, Harkman and Dave you are on the money.
  
  About 6 weeks ago I put figures on KB that showed for all the petrol power vehicles to be replaced by electric vehicles would require our electricity generation capacity to be increased by 75% of the current capacity ( from approx 42,000GWH/yr to 75,000 GWH/yr ). This is based on data on the MIBE website.
  Given the Greens and Labour do not want any more dams, they do not like nuclear, they do not like coal fired power stations and now they do not want any more O&G exploration they will never achieve their fanciful dream.
  Even to have a fraction of the fleet converted would require a significant increase in generation.
  (BTW to replace all liquid fuels used in transport except aviation fuel would require 175% increase in generation)
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:56am
  - Harkman
    
    Ross, interestingly I was at a wider family event and my uncle (a senior power company exec) claimed that his company did a closed door crisis simulation where a major auto maker came out tomorrow with a car like a Suzuki swift that had an electric battery that could last a week+ on one charge etc and cost only $20-25k. As you would expect, there simply isn’t enough capacity in NZ and it is too far from where it is needed. Their conclusion was that there is no purely electric technology yet to enable a car to tow a trailer/boat up a steep hill, for the technology to be adopted by people with disposable income.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:38am
    - Ross12
      
      A couple of other things Harkman.
      Shaw came out recently saying we should put a tax on petrol powered cars to help reduce the cost of electric cars (subsidies) and the AA thought it was good idea –bubble thinking in Wellington. To me all this would mean is poorer people, those that buy second hand cars, would be subsidising the rich and also the electric car manufacturers.
      
      I read a piece on an Aussie website that promotes solar panels on homes. They had worked out that a home with the average number of panels could generate enough power each day(in sunny Aussie) to charge a car for one days average use. They were honest enough to acknowledge most homes have two cars. But they did not go further and say the household was effectively transferring the saving on petrol from their saving on the household electricity bill and nationally the “power saving” was lost from the national grid. That is, the grid would have to generate more to keep the lights on. Electric car energy requirements have to come from base load power generation.
      
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      May 23, 2018 11:27am
    - Ross12
      
      Harkman
      Just caught little bit of the replay of today’s Parliament QT.
      Jonathan Young was questioning Megan Woods, stating that our power generation would have to double (unfortunately I missed the earlier part of the discussion) . Wood prattled on about that this is what the transition is all about and it was all being planned.
      Shaw got up and said as we have never doubled our electricity generation in our history is she confident we can do it? She just said yes and sat down.
      These guys are in la la land !!!
      
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      May 23, 2018 6:57pm
- Ed Snack
  
  And of course the whole concept is based on the unfortunate impression that electric cars are better for the environment. Sadly, at the current state of technology, the lifetime “ecological footprint” of an electric car is higher than an equivalent fossil fueled car.
  
  So we have a policy being pushed that is actually environmentally detrimental just because it sounds good.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:22am
  - Piniwi
    
    @Ed Snack hence the Paris Climate Agreement where the developed countries will pay eye watering sums for all the shit hole places where all the pollution is created for battery making.
    
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    May 23, 2018 3:40pm
- labrator
  
  Did they classify hybrids as “electric” perhaps?
  
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  May 24, 2018 9:03am
secondcumming

Interesting back-story to the blonde ‘life coach’ lady with the Moko tattoo on her chin. As they say, “Once you go black, you never go back”
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May 23, 2018 8:29am
- Dave Mann
  
  Were you going to give us a link or any other details?
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:18am
  - secondcumming
    
    Well, it lead the MSM news yesterday and on tv again this morning…..read it and weep.
    
    https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/998715579501445121
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:49am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Thanks secondcumming.
      
      She’s an idiot and the Maoris who are criticising her are nothing but vile racists.
      
      Having said that…. who but a complete narcissist fuckwit would want to deface themselves like this anyway, whatever race they are?
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:02am
      - kowtow
        
        She and her hubby are into some sort of selling life crap to native types. Marketing through imagery , have you seen hubby?
        
        I see they’ve misspelled it as a ‘facial’ tattoo , should be farcical.
        
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        May 23, 2018 1:10pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yeah kowtow I saw hubby.They’re both on the video on the (I think) Stuff report. He looks like a gang member and talks like a chimpanzee with all that fake mordi accent.
        
        A pair of right cunts.
        
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        May 23, 2018 2:55pm
- Nermal
  
  They are going to make Te Reo compulsory, but getting a moko is cultural appropriation. Go figure
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:27pm
- Piniwi
  
  @secondcumming it does seem to make the term “having a bit of Maori in you” even more ambiguous that we thought.
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:43pm
flipper

Gas for ordinary folks now $2.39 with regional taxes still to come.
That is life under the silly little girl !
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May 23, 2018 8:32am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and the making the implication that international oil prices and therefore the oil companies are entirely to blame.
  Not govt. taxes, soon to increase.
  Not the fall in the USD, caused by their ridiculous policies as business confidence falls.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  $2.39 ?
  
  Try Wanaka for duopoly rip off merchants.
  
  ‘Petrol prices that have reached record levels in New Zealand mean even higher prices in the South, as distance from main centres pushed the price to almost $2.45 a litre in one Otago town.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/pumping-price-petrol-south
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:29am
- ex-golfer
  
  This is just the start of a period of rampant inflation, leading to higher interest rates.
  Who will be most affected? The stoooopid people that continue to put their blind faith in the Labour Party. Unswayed are they in their allegiance to the new peoples princess and her band of merry ruinors.
  
  Not me, I can afford to put petrol in my car and keep living my life the way I choose, because I work hard and squirrel money away for those inevitable hard times that come in a political cycle when the left is attempting to control the purse strings (and fail miserably).
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:37am
kowtow

If the white woman who thinks she should be brown is being told by some part Maoris that she’s not entitled to wear a chin tattoo …….

…….by the same token honkies should not jump around doing the tiresome , ubiquitous haka , sing the bi national anthem in Maori or wear bone or greenstone.

And Maoris should stop driving cars , watching tv or owning mobile phones……..
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May 23, 2018 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  I like the idea about not singing the national anthem in Maori. In my lifetime we have had four National Anthems so I took a stand and have never learnt the Maori version.
  And for those scratching their heads:
  God save the King
  God save the Queen
  NZ Anthem (English)
  NZ Anthem (Maori/English)
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    I was suckered into the first minutes of 7 Shite on tv1 last night as they advertised they would discuss this.
    
    H Barry was of the view the honkey should not wear the tat as it was “spiritual”. No shit. Spiritual.
    
    This from one of the nation’s “leading journalists”
    
    What a crock of shit these idiots are.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
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    VicParking , whats stopping you as a solitary member of the crowd at Eden Park etc?
    
    Anyway, who cares?
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:05am
    - VicParking
      
      Eden Park where’s that? Somewhere north of Oete Farm, your spiritual home.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:10am
- Justitia
  
  And non-Maori should not be compelled to learn the tongue of a neolithic cannibal race with no written language.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:51am
- alwyn
  
  I imagine all the Maori singing groups at the cultural events are going to stop playing guitars and will revert to nose flutes.
  Can’t steal the taonga of Spain can we?
  
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  May 23, 2018 12:08pm
KevOB

Brits making money out of killing Shia in Yemen. Why?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/report-exposes-uk-role-in-saudi-arabias-war-on-yemen/5641432
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May 23, 2018 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  You link to Globalresearch. Why?
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:51am
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    GR provides a wide range of different views–you can’t call the content exclusively right or left. There can be both sides and sometimes extreme. It quite frequently has real news and backgrounders. Judge each article as you wish.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      KevOB , with a decidedly anti-Western pro-Russian bias and conspiracy theory bias
      
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
      
      Why?
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:31am
      - KevOB
        
        The commentators are a very mixed bunch–extreme socialists to ultra nationalists. Conspiracy theories are only yesterday rehashed. Six of them may equal one revelation (or none).
        
        The USA isn’t the only country on this planet. Its political admin is suicidal. The Middle East is a plague of religious hornets squabbling over the right to live. Europe is fragmented and fighting another Muslim invasion. China is rebuilding the Silk Road to global dominance. Russia would like to return to the glory of the Czars. India is growing. Britain was–now warmonger’s supplies to the world. That leaves NZ with greens only fit to fill up the Kermadec Trench and a antique irritant picking govts.
        
        Read for yourself don’t take opinions from a wiki as final. You’re not (yet) required to believe everything you encounter. A little independent thought goes a long way to understanding. The more sources the less likelyhood of deception
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh horrors, KevOB..
        
        are you advocating independent thought?
        
        Do you honestly mean that we should we should read material from unsanctioned sources?
        
        Goodness gracious man, we might be exposed to some uncomfortable facts that disrupt our jellied mindset.
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:54am
- VicParking
  
  Because they get paid more than for killing Sunni.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:54am
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    ViPparking, ask the US President he’s apperently pro-Sunni.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:17am
    - Manolo
      
      Are you Shia or Sunni, stephieboy?
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:19am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Manolo. as a servile Trump supporter, you’ve got to be a closeted Sunni!
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:24am
      - Manolo
        
        Not a chance, stephieboy. I lived long enough close to your vile cult to choose any of its barbaric sects.
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:27am
Left Right and Centre

Question: How early is too early for a courier to deliver to a residential address ?
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May 23, 2018 8:41am
- tf78
  
  If the parcel’s for me – it’s never too early. I think the official time is after 7:00 am though.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:51am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I’d just like to get a delivery during the day.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:52am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    That’s what Grant Robertson said
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:39am
  - Piniwi
    
    @RW Capitalist your lucky as I have just taken the local post master to task about how it can take 5 days for a parcel to get from the back door of the PO to the counter? Nice guy but bet it will only be platitudes used to explain that.
    
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    May 23, 2018 3:54pm
- calendar girl
  
  OK from 8:00am onwards?
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  7.15 seems to be a popular time at my place. I just hope they like the look of me in my PJs.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:13am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    What are PJ’s? 😉
    What’s wrong with commando? or jocks?
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Comando is a tripping hazard for some of us.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:33am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        😆
        
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        May 23, 2018 11:12am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Skite! ?
        
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        May 23, 2018 12:59pm
      - kowtow
        
        And a dripping hazard for some of the rest of us.
        
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        May 23, 2018 1:01pm
Colinxy

A regressive left MP wants to start regulating free speech under the pretense of “Hate Speech”:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/innovation/104113652/europe-showing-nz-the-way-on-hate-speech-says-golriz-ghahraman

Anyone who has been observing the UK in the last few years, know how diabolical their implementation has been.
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May 23, 2018 8:43am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Hate speech”…a non existent construct of a politician desperate to control the population’s thoughts and expressions.
  (expressed this way so leftie “intellectuals” [oxymoron?] can understand)
  ie
  There is no such thing as “hate speech”, just speech YOU hate.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Plod too ,well out of his remit. Shocking and frightening.
    
    “Police Commissioner Mike Bush has questioned whether there should be specific hate-crime legislation after the assault on a Muslim woman in Huntly, filmed and posted on social media – but the Government is unlikely to introduce new laws.
    
    Bush used a parliamentary select committee review yesterday to raise the idea after the Muslim woman was assaulted outside public toilets at the weekend. ‘
    
    https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/social-issues/calls-for-tougher-hate-speech-laws-after-assault-on-muslim-woman/
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:59am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      If this woman was assaulted…arrest the person responsible…we have laws for that.
      Putting in NEW laws to repress peoples right to think and speak.
      Orwellian in the extreme ……1984
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:13am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If “hate speech” is speech that someone finds “offensive,” then how do you discuss social issues? How do you get to the bottom of some issue without asking “awkward” questions for the purpose of uncovering the facts?
      
      If the truth is offensive, then speaking the truth must be hate speech.
      
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      May 23, 2018 11:13am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Some remarkable insight from Steve Hughes.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs
        
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        May 23, 2018 12:20pm
    - Justitia
      
      As has been previously pointed out, there are a number of “coincidences” around the Huntly incident that some might consider defy the odds. So a muslim PR professional returning from a muslim conference on promoting Islam in New Zealand films herself and her friends being harassed by a drunken woman in a public toilet. The Police District Commander for Huntly happens to be New Zealand’s highest ranked muslim police officer. The alleged perpetrator is very quickly arrested (much more quickly than the Labour Youth camp alleged sex offender for example) and reportedly tells the court (under oath?) her mother is a muslim? The wonder of it all.
      
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      May 23, 2018 11:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, the Huntly incident was obviously a set-up.
        
        The woman who yelled the remarks was drunk and, from pictures taken at court appearances, can have been barely responsible for her remarks. Pathetic, really.
        
        The Muslim PR professional works for one of NZ’s better known national organisations. I didn’t know about the ethnicity of the police district commander.
        
        The most shameful thing about this incident was the way the media bought it hook, line and sinker. From North Cape to Bluff, it tutt-tutted and pumped out moralistic multiculturism sermons. The Leftism of most current journos is matched by their fanatic enthusiasm for multiculturism.
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Not just the UK .
  
  Canada and Australia too.
  
  Bolt has a conviction and in Canada one of their kangaroo courts had a go at Macleans and Steyn.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:56am
- stephieboy
  
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  Colinxy . no worries plenty of opportunities for hate and whinge posts here on KB.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:59am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Shut the fuck up you pillock
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:40am
  - Colinxy
    
    You really are the low IQ pos(t)er people here keep stating, aren’t you?
    
    If “Hate Speech” laws are implemented then it will affect places like KB.
    
    This is on full display in the UK.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:49am
- MrTips
  
  Golly can sod off. She is a liar (war crimes anyone?), hates old white men like her yank colleague, has a past that really needs to be investigated and regularly hates on those who don’t align with her view. She is free to say what she wants, but she is not free to control the inevitable push-back she will get. Politicians these days – so thin skinned and they blow up so fast.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Can take the Narcissitic Fuckwit out of the Theo-fascist Country, but can’t take the theo-fascisism beliefs out of the Narcissistic Fuckwit.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:40am
- Rich Prick
  
  More regulation is needed to combat hate speech on the internet, Green MP Golriz Ghahraman has told a public meeting hosted by InternetNZ.
  
  I’d suggest Golly Gee’s Twitter account be the first to be dealt with. If you want a dose of “hate speech” take a gander at her vile pile of spew.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:45am
- Huevon
  
  The acorn never falls far from the tree. Like the regime in her homeland, the Persian wants to use state power to silence and harass ideological opponents.
  
  She only gets media attention because she’s hot.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:56am
  - MrTips
    
    Geez Huevon. You think THAT’S hot? I’ve seen stick insects with more allure…
    
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    May 23, 2018 11:32am
- Komata
  
  colinxy
  
  Re: ‘Hate Speech’.
  
  It was really only a matter of time before this arrived on our shores, with the irony being that the one who is loudly advocating it, is both a muslim and a gween, both groups that aren’t exactly in the ‘lets all live in peace, love and harmony together’ sector of society..
  
  Thanks for bringing the article to our attention.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:44am
Happychappy

Why would you give any Portfollio in Government to Andrew Little as he has fucked up in several positions in and out of Parliament.His record shows he led the the largest decline in membership of the union when CEO, couldn’t win the seat of New Plymouth which then was a safe Labour seat, became Leader of the Labour Party and was a dismal failure and now is about to put lives in danger in reducing the prison population and safety regulations by releasing them into state housing areas that could be controlled by gangs in many places in NZ.
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May 23, 2018 8:46am
- Awww C-mon
  
  And despite that fine resume, he is the best performer in the pack!
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:00am
- Poppa
  
  Little is rather large on talk but I don’t believe he will get the numbers to throw out 3 strikes.
  
  He will probably try watering it down a bit as a compromise. My bet is he will go quiet on this now
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:10am
  - backster
    
    From the images of him I have seen he looks more stressed out than the expectant solo mum.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:48am
  - peterwn
    
    No need to water it down – the judges have already done this. Parliament should have defined ‘manifestly unjust’ (with respect to three strikes LWOP – since ‘manifestly unjust’ has different legal meanings in different parts of legislation) more closely, but may have scared the critters at the time.
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:11pm
kowtow

The gift that keeps on giving .The diversity dividend .Two new firsts to the west.

Yesterday we had the Fiji Indian mum selling her girl for sex .( Who were the customers?)

And today from Britain another first.

‘A mother has been convicted of tricking her daughter into a forced marriage abroad in a case believed to be a legal first.

The 18-year-old girl was married to a man 16 years older than her while on what she had been told was a family holiday to Pakistan. ‘

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/mother-convicted-tricking-daughter-forced-marriage-abroad-legal/
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May 23, 2018 8:53am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Perhaps the Fiji Indian mum grew up in a culture where girls are seen as a liability? That might have been a contributing factor.
  There are cultures out there who subscribe to the notion that “children are the riches of the poor” to the fullest possible extent.
  
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  May 23, 2018 11:17am
stephieboy

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Here are the official Royal Wedding Photos for all to enjoy and further soak in that day of glory at Windsor and St Georges Chapel,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/weddings/104092693/kensington-palace-shares-family-portrait-and-other-royal-wedding-photos
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May 23, 2018 9:08am
Tauhei Notts

I see Fonterra has just shit upon the Fonterra Shareholder Fund unit holders. In an attempt to stave off fierce competition for farmer suppliers from Talley’s Open Country Dairy, Fonterra have lifted the farm gate milk price and slashed the dividend.
I recall Gareth Morgan remarking some years ago that the way Fonterra set their farm gate milk price is as transparent as a glass of milk.
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May 23, 2018 9:14am
Left Right and Centre

NZ Ministry For Women feminazi staffers ordering lunch during a typical busy workday . . .
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May 23, 2018 9:20am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Left Right & Centre,
  Have you noticed that almost all of the most foul mouthed women are eligible to wear a moko?
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:01am
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    It’s a badge of tribal rank.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:08am
Poppa

The wait is finally over people, 3 pies & the princess are apparently going to visit New Plymouth.

So which school or kindergarten will be graced by her presence? I can’t imagine she will face the public, that is far too difficult

Hopefully the sun is shining for all the selfies that will be available
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May 23, 2018 9:21am
Hugh Pavletich

CONTAINER INDUSTRY COPES EASILY WITH DEMAND GROWTH … WHILE NEW HOME BUILDING DOESNT … WHY ?

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-23-may-2018/#comment-3109390 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-23-may-2018/#comment-3109392 … and …

… CONTAINER INDUSTRY COPES EASILY WITH DEMAND GROWTH (CONSUMERS ARE THE WINNERS) … WHILE NEW HOME BUILDING DOESN’T (CONSUMERS ARE THE LOSERS) … WHY ? …

… BECAUSE THE CONTAINER INDUSTRY IS NOT RUN BY DIMWITTED POLITICIANS AND URBAN PLANNERS …

Maersk to Cut Services as It Battles Shipping Glut – WSJ
h/t todays Interest Co NZ 90@9

https://www.wsj.com/articles/maersk-to-cut-services-as-it-battles-shipping-glut-1526564766

The container operator’s first-quarter loss widened amid falling freight rates and rising trade risks and fuel costs … read more via hyperlink above …

Container Shipping – Statistics & Facts | Statista

https://www.statista.com/topics/1367/container-shipping/

Google search ‘Container Trade Growth’

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=EnQEW6vfAeLc0gKm7IuoDQ&q=container+trade+growth&oq=container+trade+growth&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i22i30k1l4.19764.28245.0.31998.22.21.0.1.1.0.351.4368.2-14j2.16.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.17.4371…0i131k1.0.j64rsrkQql8

… watch these short videos …

This Man Is the Father of Modern American Suburbia | Smithsonian

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/category/smithsonian-channel/this-man-is-the-father-of-modern-american-su/

… then … soon after … Malcom McLean created the modern container industry … dropping shipping costs dramatically … for example with what cost $6 with break – bulk cargo handling to just 16 cents with containerization ! …

The Power of Outsiders – Video – NYTimes.com

https://www.nytimes.com/video/business/100000004807604/the-power-of-outsiders.html

… note here the extremely small costs of shipping selected items around the planet … so that transportation costs are pretty much irrelevant today in the whole scheme of things (thank you Malcom McLean ! ) …

Malcom McLean and Containerisation | Maersk Line – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq8UU9kafJ0

… so that today …

1. Standard detached housing should not cost any more than 3.0 times annual household incomes of specific metros ( refer Annual Demographia Surveys ; recent Glaeser & Gyourko paper ; Recent Reserve Bank of Australia paper ).

2. New fringe starter house and land packages should cost around 2.5 times … at development ratios of 20% serviced lot and the balance construction ( Definition of an affordable housing market http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning ).

3. Apartment / townhouses should be around 2.0 times ( to illustrate refer Houston Association of Realtors Monthly Report ).

4. Fringe manufactured house (prefab) and land packages should be around 1.5 times ( refer Leaky Homes And An Architect’s Musing’s | Scoop News March 2010 published Interest Co NZ as ‘Houston: We have a housing affordability problem’

The housing affordability problem is a nonsense issue.

Only dim-witted politicians and urban planners could
be confused by it.
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May 23, 2018 9:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Only 5 more ‘reports’ folks and the pain in the arse is gone.
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:28am
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    Report for what? oh irrelevant and vexatious troll.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:37am
- Dave Mann
  
  Fuck off you idiot (not you, Captain! 😀 )
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:39am
Philview

I heard on RNZ this morning that the Government wants to hold a referendum on legalising marijuanah ASAP. Simon Bridges should therefore be vocal about having the referendum tacked on to the next General Election as Labour want it done and dusted by then. Labour know this is controversial and don’t want this to be the key election battle.
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May 23, 2018 9:36am
- Dave Mann
  
  Who is Simon Bridges? That name rings a bell… but I can’t quite place him….
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:42am
- Nermal
  
  Great. Since there’s going to be a cost to that, we can save money by having a binding referendum on the Maori seats that Winston promised at the same time.
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:38pm
Philview

Simon Bridges has said this morning he doesn’t want to make the FTA deal political but he needs to be careful in saying this. David Parker sounded quite happy on RNZ this morning for NZ to rollover and take any back door socialist agenda from the EU tied to this agreement.
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May 23, 2018 9:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  It would be nice if National and Labour could be united in their support of free trade agreements, even if the Greens and Winston First are opposed.
  
  It would help however if Grant Robertson, in his enthusiasm to ensure that Ardern and Parker get the credit for developments with Europe, could at least acknowledge the role of the previous government and PM:
  
  European Union leaders have talked up the prospects of a free trade agreement, saying it would send a strong political signal as protectionism takes hold elsewhere. They have even suggested it could be completed within three years.
  
  Bill English arrived in Brussels today on his first official overseas trip as Prime Minister.
  
  After meeting English, European Council President Donald Tusk and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said they expected formal negotiations for the long-awaited free trade agreement between the EU and New Zealand to begin soon.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11780074
  
  That story comes from the Herald of 11 January 2017. I suspect what Bridges is saying is that National and Labour have similar positions on free trade, and should put New Zealand’s success ahead of petty politics, and in that he is absolutely right.
  
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  May 23, 2018 1:42pm
  - Ross12
    
    KS
    There was a European guy talking to Chris Lynch (filling in for Larry Williams). He said the discussions have been going for a number of years. The ‘Scoping” exercise was finished late last year.
    So the present Govt. cannot really claim anything.
    
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    May 23, 2018 7:17pm
Captain Mainwaring

Hugh came and went in about 15 minutes. We’re getting this down to a fine art.
I’ve also found that I can report him 3 times, so two of us could finish him off in about half a minute.
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May 23, 2018 9:53am
- Dave Mann
  
  Nice one Captain. I reported him after your comment and it seems that his post has disappeared completely. I didn’t know that a post could be deleted like this! Interesting….
  
  I wonder if anybody else’s verbal diarrhoea could be deleted in this way…? Hmm….!?#@^?
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:10am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    It was a tactic we developed for Penny, works well on Hugh. Penny learned to keep her posts here concise, Hugh is obviously incrementally more stupid.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:19am
    - stephieboy
      
      AgentBallsUp,
      
      “Hugh is obviously incrementally more stupid.”
      
      Rich irony award of the day!
      
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      May 23, 2018 12:14pm
      - sooty
        
        Mirror, mirror, on the wall?
        
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        May 23, 2018 4:52pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yep Dave, 6 ‘reports’ seems to render a post permanently deleted, not just hidden. And 3 reports can be done by one person.
    My problem isn’t just the crap that he spouts, it’s the fact that he uses DPF’s blog to promote his own agenda because nobody looks at his own blog.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:22am
    - Rich Prick
      
      The most annoying thing was him spamming his own spam. I think he has “issues”.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:39am
    - Dave Mann
      
      While I support getting rid of this price’s endless raves, I think that this reporting function is a bit too draconian. One person shouldn’t be able to report three times if only 5 reports are needed to delete a post permanently.
      
      @DPF: I’d be happier if it took 5 separate people (or maybe more) to report before a post was deleted. This is too open to abuse as it stands.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:40am
      - sooty
        
        Still it needs two people.
        
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        May 23, 2018 11:59am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Just like Phool? Remember that annoying prick……
      
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      May 23, 2018 6:06pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Challenge accepted.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:17am
- Nermal
  
  As someone who turns up much later and no longer has to scroll so much, I thank you for your public service
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:40pm
kowtow

More of that diversity dividend in France.

‘A group of gun-toting people in a French city attacked residents, shot near young people at a cultural centre and tried to corner police who responded to the sound of gunfire on Monday, it has been reported.’

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2147176/french-gunmen-shoot-young-people-and-try-corner-responding-police
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May 23, 2018 9:56am
- Inandout
  
  It happened on an ‘estate’ where drug dealing has been rife. We can only speculate what cultures infest the high rises. Looks like France is another country off the tourist trail.
  
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  May 23, 2018 12:25pm
marquess

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Where’s Melissa Lee been? Haven’t heard any virtue signalling from her in a while – has she cleared up her $100,000 contract breach with NZ on Air?
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May 23, 2018 10:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  marquess, perfecting the art of pushing diarrhoea uphill with a pointed stick.
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:25am
  - marquess
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    I don’t remember pushing your comments anywhere…?
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:31am
    - starboard
      
      Has the liarbor sexual deviant been outed yet?
      The one who plied teens with alcohol then sexually assaulted them.
      
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      May 23, 2018 1:16pm
Justitia

In further news of New Zealand’s rapid decline to shithole status, the NZQA, which licenses all manner of fly-by-night outfits to market junk courses to Third World migrants, sorry “students”, is proposing to drop Latin from the New Zealand Junior Scholarship exam.
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May 23, 2018 10:44am
tedbear

What’s the world coming to now?
Maori saying white women can’t have any tattoo they so choose?
Do maori have a patent on certain tattoos?
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May 23, 2018 10:50am
- Jack5
  
  Tedbear, I think the report today says anyone can tatoo their chin, but Maori don’t like non-Maori calling a chin tattoo a moko.
  
  In Stuff, Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi associate professor Mera Lee-Penehira says:
  
  “Moko kauae is the sole right of Maori women. Not only is it ‘okay’ to make a race-based decision in applying moko kauae, but it is a ‘requirement’.”
  
  Penehira is lecturer at what is a Maori version of a university, with campuses in Whakatane, Auckland, and Northland. They offer bachelor’s, master’s, and Ph. D. programmes.
  
  Our traditional universities have also diversified into Maori customs. They are offering degrees in kapihaka and Maori oral history.
  
  Perhaps Maori are right: we do need more segregation in NZ. Let the term “moko” be reserved for tattoos on Maori faces, and let Maori tertiary education stop giving Western style bachelor’s, master’s, and Ph. D. Degrees. Let them use some Maori name for these qualifications.
  
  It is also time for our traditional universities to stay in their Western tradition, and leave kapihaka and oral-history courses to the wananga.
  
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  May 23, 2018 11:33am
  - sooty
    
    If they don’t like it on your chin, get it on your arse.
    
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    May 23, 2018 11:54am
  - KevOB
    
    Is there such a degree downgrader as a sub-university?
    A purported degree in oral history could be highly inventive. What’s not written down doesn’t exist. History? Who knows? Who says? Is the taxpayer paying for that?
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:20pm
    - Jack5
      
      To be true to genre, Kevin, I guess you shouldn’t be able to read someone has a degree in oral history. You should just be able to be told that they have one.
      
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      May 23, 2018 3:12pm
    - Piniwi
      
      @KevOB about as useful as a new aspirant in a wheelchair who gained a PhD– in “dance”.
      
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      May 23, 2018 4:08pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Tell them to fuck off, or take up their tattoo design ownership with MS 13
    
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    May 23, 2018 6:11pm
JasonJohns

the PC establishment is now blatantly manufacturing false facts about history…
NZ Herald claims discrimination during imaginary smallpox outbreak…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12053300
yeah right. when was last time you saw smallpox in NZ?
Fake news.
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May 23, 2018 11:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There was a smallpox episode in NZ in 1913-1914.
  A Mormon missionary with smallpox attended a Northland hui and the disease started to spread through Maori communities.
  To deal with the spread authorities put restrictions on travel for some folk (just like Mycoplasma infected moo-cows) and offered vaccination.
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/epidemics/page-4
  
  How else should the authorities have tried to contain the disease?
  (I’d be happy to live under travel restrictions if Ebola or Cholera arrived in NZ)
  
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  May 23, 2018 11:36am
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    The problem is though Maggy that the restrictions weren’t just put on ‘folk’: they were put on Maori. Even if you weren’t infected and hadn’t been living in an infected area, you could be banned from the roads, from crossing bridges, and from taking a train because you were Maori. And Pakeha who came from infected districts could travel as they pleased. It was very difficult for Maori communities to get food and fuel during the epidemic, because their members could not visit towns to acquire these things.
    
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    May 23, 2018 11:40am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      To be fair….
      The NZ authorities a few years earlier were just as willing to slap a blanket ban on travel/entry of Chinese suspected of carrying smallpox.
      
      I have read Alison Day’s paper on the 1913 smallpox outbreak.
      http://www.nzjh.auckland.ac.nz/docs/1999/NZJH_33_2_03.pdf
      
      It was a confusing time here in NZ.. with a mild form of the smallpox introduced…. The disease was mis- diagnosed as chicken-pox for weeks; many Europeans believed that the disease originated/was associated with unsanitary conditions.
      
      Yep, it was dealt with along racial lines… but again (in hindsight).. Europeans weren’t to know that their population carried some degree of immunity to this milder smallpox form and so the disease wasn’t showing up in their communities… Maori had no natural immunity and some populations had not been vaccinated.
      
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      May 23, 2018 1:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And for those who are interested….
        
        It has only been in modern times that we have understood the exact nature of the smallpox virus(es); the diseases they cause and their method of transmission.
        All post-1940 stuff.
        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X14608600
        
        Look at the dithering that is going on in Government and Farming circles about the Mycoplasma outbreak.
        Some decision is going to be made that will not please everybody… I expect some folks are going to get a raw deal.
        
        My question for Scott Hamilton – do you think the authorities who prevented some Maori from moving about during the Smallpox outbreak did it from malice, ignorance, or as a public health quarantine action?
        
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        May 23, 2018 2:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy’s got a point there, Scott.
        
        Were white great-great grandparents, allegedly prejudiced, trying to save Maori lives because they could see Maori were more susceptible to smallpox than white settlers were?
        
        Even if their knowledge was just informal, on the lines of, “Cripes, you can see Maori die like flies from this, so we better keep them away from X and Y and from sitting in trains with us.”
        
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        May 23, 2018 3:20pm
- Jack5
  
  JasonJohns, that books by our Kiwiblog poster Scott Hamilton.
  
  Come in Scott …. we can expect a big General Debate thread today.
  
  Let’s start: Ahoy Scott! What are your new findings about Maori-white relations in the days of the land wars?
  
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  May 23, 2018 11:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , why is that you persistently appear to shirk facts and the truth?
    
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    May 23, 2018 11:58am
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Hi Jack5, I have sort of done my dash as far as the 19th C wars go, but this is a subject that has gripped me lately:
    https://tinyurl.com/y7snjr7k
    I am just so interested in finding out more about it. We never hear of the 1920 mission to Fiji on Anzac Day. NZ’s military history is largely unwritten…
    
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    May 23, 2018 12:58pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Jack5 at 11.39 am: “Let’s start: Ahoy Scott!”
    Scott Hamilton at 12.58 pm: “Hi Jack5”
    
    That’s impressive!
    
    But even more impressive is that Scott responded to Maggy at 11.40 am – 1 minute after “Ahoy Scott!”.
    
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    May 23, 2018 2:08pm
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      I am being thoroughly idle this week, Nostradamus. No deadlines. It’s marvellous. Just walk the oldest boy to school and retreat to my study to mooch about the internet and read books about the occult…
      
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      May 23, 2018 4:41pm
Scott Hamilton

At least four KB readers seem to think the 1913 NZ smallpox epidemic is some sort of historians’ hoax.

The Papers Past archive contains scores of reports on the progress of the epidemic from contemporary newspapers. Here’s one, which the NZ Herald published in July 1913:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19130721.2.43

But some people probably think that Papers Past is itself a cog in the plot to invent history…
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May 23, 2018 11:37am
- Inandout
  
  To suppress old newspaper content would be a massive task, and I don’t think the PP staff have time to sift through Maori-related key words. I have found PP to be an invaluable source for searching family backgrounds.
  
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  May 23, 2018 1:17pm
- Jack5
  
  That letter from Papers Past seems to be from Harry Holland, the firebrand leader of Labour in the 1920s.
  
  A self-taught man, printer, journalist, strike leader, he went to prison in NZ and Australia for his beliefs.
  
  What a contrast with some of the PC, sorry-I’m-a-man types now in Labour.
  
  In the letter highlighted by Scott, he is advocating on behalf of striking Indians recently freed from indenture in Fiji.
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Scott in his posts has given two links. I’m talking about the one in his 12.58 post.
    
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    May 23, 2018 3:49pm
Scott Hamilton

‘If we refuse to allow the natives to come into town under any pretext whatever we are safe. As far as this council is concerned “let them
starve”. It is not our funeral.’
– Councillor McKinnon, quoted in the Waikato Argus, 30th of August 1913. NZ history is fascinating.
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May 23, 2018 11:47am
- MrTips
  
  Reads just like a current 9th floor Beehive manifesto….
  
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  May 23, 2018 12:10pm
JasonJohns

‘Papers Past’ = rewriting history
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May 23, 2018 12:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jason Johns, much, much better than your fruit-loop rewrite fairy tales.
  
  https://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2009/05/paul-moon-condemns-celtic-new-zealand.html
  
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  May 23, 2018 12:06pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Think about it stephie. If the conspiracy is powerful enough to hide all the evidence of NZ’s ancient white civilisation and send Allan Titford to jail, then of course it can rewrite our old newspapers before they go online…
    
    Or so some uptickers at Kiwiblog seem to think…
    
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    May 23, 2018 1:00pm
- nasska
  
  ….”‘Papers Past’ = rewriting history”….
  
  Traditionally that’s been the raison d’être of “readingthemaps”.
  
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  May 23, 2018 3:17pm
kowtow

On yer bike

‘A cricketer playing a game in north Co Dublin got a nasty surprise as he strolled off the pitch last week when undercover gardaí moved in and arrested him in his whites…….

Asian men paid up to €20,000 each to marry Eastern European women so they could secure the right to live and work in Ireland and, by extension, any part of the EU.’

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/game-over-for-cricket-playing-sham-marriage-organiser-1.3504789
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May 23, 2018 12:55pm
starboard

More feral native scum going to the big house..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104088721/taxi-driver-describes-beating-boot-and-burning-ordeal
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May 23, 2018 2:07pm
softail 1450

paula bennett just walked out of parliament because of rulings by that useless biased prick mallard ,good on her i say mallard is a fricking joke.
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May 23, 2018 2:14pm
- pdm
  
  Yes, well done Paula Bennett with her most incisive piece of work in the chamber since she told Ardern to:
  `zip it sweetie.’
  
  Mallard was in full protection mode of Ardern.
  
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  May 23, 2018 2:23pm
  - starboard
    
    Its a race to see who can be the fattest..Woods or Hipkins, chippys doing well..
    
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    May 23, 2018 2:32pm
- oldgolfer
  
  They all should have walked out.
  Get it on the front page.
  Make a statement on the steps of Parliament.
  This might be just the start.
  
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  May 23, 2018 4:00pm
  - cha
    
    Yeah, petulant flounces are the way forward.
    
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    May 23, 2018 4:01pm
softail 1450

Its that piece of shit peters that has got our country to this point ,ruled over by a pack of cretinous lefty do gooders chucking money around like pissed sailors FFS
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May 23, 2018 2:17pm
Nostradamus

US judge orders a 30-year-old man to move out of his parents’ house

A US judge has ordered 30-year-old Michael Rotondo to move out of his parents’ house near Syracuse in upstate New York, after they went to court to evict him.

Christina and Mark Rotondo said their son Michael did not pay rent or help around the house, and he had rejected offers from them to help him with the move. Mr Rotondo moved back home eight years ago after losing his job.

He sounds like a bludger – and looks like one too (see photo in linked article).

His parents took the case to the New York State Supreme Court after recent letters they wrote to their son, asking him to leave while offering money and other help, were ignored. They wrote five eviction letters over several months, informing Mr Rotondo he must vacate their home — but he argued in return that they had not given him enough notice.
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After his court appearance, Mr Rotondo told journalists he would appeal the judge’s decision, saying he was not ready to leave home. He said while he lived under the same roof as his parents, he did not speak to them. According to Syracuse.com, he then returned to his parents’ house.

Definitely a bludger!
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May 23, 2018 2:26pm
- big bruv
  
  I wonder if James Sleep still lives at home?
  
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  May 23, 2018 6:50pm
  - stigie
    
    Jeez, don’t get Dad going..?
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

Twatford is clearly getting under the headmaster’s skin. He’s getting pulled into line like he’s an opposition member.
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May 23, 2018 2:33pm
- RalphT
  
  At last Trevor knows how we feel; Twyford has been getting under my skin the some time, the irritating little twatford.
  
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  May 23, 2018 2:47pm
  - Happychappy
    
    If Mallard wants to run question tme like a circus we as the taxpayer should be advocating that he is paid clowns wages.
    
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    May 23, 2018 4:10pm
    - lifesgood
      
      What do you expect from a failed school teacher. He must have hated the ban on corporal punishment. All that seething anger he’s bottled up has to come out somewhere. Loser!
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:45pm
JibberJabber

This is what you get when journalism has died, readers contributions…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/104081825/opinion-tax-ghost-houses-and-pour-the-money-back-into-affordable-housing

They`re not letting too many comments thru.

Tho` kinda surprised to read Gareth has pulled the ladder up behind him, given that was his favourite accusation of JK. LoL
Once a filthy Capitalist always a Filthy Capitalist eh, Gazz?
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May 23, 2018 3:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I must admit I was surprised to learn that there are homeless folks in Gisborne, for there seem to be quite a few empty houses and units around the city.
  
  But one of my new acquaintances assures me that there are homeless folks here. She and other members of her Buddhist Centre feed them on Monday nights (other groups cook up on their allocated week night for Gizzy’s homeless and hungry).
  
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  May 23, 2018 4:03pm
softail 1450

FFS. i just witnessed that SAS hero Ron (send me a helicopter) mark doing his JFK speech in parliament , I recently saw this 5 foot hero in the Deep South of our country with his cowboy hat and high up the leg boots,rhinestones on his jacket , seriously,im not bullshiting.
he was having a coffee sitting there like God almighty with his legs way out under the table .
hes a ” mini me” with power in our country ,how the fuck did this happen?
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May 23, 2018 4:29pm
Nostradamus

Trevor Mallard on 7 November 2017:

Mr SPEAKER-ELECT: Order! I want to start off by thanking members for the somewhat delayed confidence they have shown in me. It is an enormous opportunity, and I particularly want to thank the Leader of the Opposition for not forcing my colleagues to say that they had confidence in me doing the job.
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My role is to ensure the rights and the privileges of this House are protected—and, in particular, the freedom of speech of all members of this House—not for your sake and not for our sake, but for the sake of the people of New Zealand. It is through you that they speak, and it’s important that their voices are heard.
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This House has the responsibility to hold the Government to account. Oral questions can, and will sometimes, find some Ministers wanting. That is the role of the House—to hold them to account—and I hope that some of our backbenchers who are on my right understand that, as well. As my fellow Wainuiōmatian once said, “It isn’t tiddlywinks.”
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In conclusion, the Speaker’s office has tremendous authority. I will use that authority to preserve and enhance our democracy, but in the end, it is not the authority but respect that makes the role effective. That can only be earned, and I hope that I can earn it. Thank you, members.

So far, Trevor Mallard’s track record isn’t impressive, and he seems to enjoy running a tiddlywinks club!
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May 23, 2018 4:35pm
- GazzaW
  
  I think Mallard got a fright when Paula walked out. Big Gerry had already taken him to task over his stupid ‘loss of Supps’ rulings and I think he’s worried that the Nats might go to a higher authority if push comes to shove. Mallard was noticeably tougher on Ministers answering questions for the remainder of QT with Parker, Mahuta, Hipkins and particularly Twyford copping Mallard’s ire.
  
  Where do the Nats go if they pursue a complaint against Mallard’s continuing bias? The Clerk of the House or even the GG?
  
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  May 23, 2018 4:56pm
Monique Watson

Fucking hell that clown Mallard is making a mockery of House rules. Cunt.
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May 23, 2018 4:37pm
- Philview
  
  He has form, punching Tau Henare in the parliamentary lobby a few years ago doesn’t suggest the calm temperament needed for this role. We are turning into a mafia state.
  
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  May 23, 2018 5:27pm
  - RF
    
    Having watched the speaker over the last few months it is obvious that he is not suited for the position.
    
    Sure he makes a few token slap downs on some of the Labour clowns but it is very obvious to me that he favours the PM and diverts any adverse comments directed to her.
    
    She is out of her depth and should not be treated with kid gloves.
    
    We have a serious problem with Mallard continuing as speaker.
    
    Christ it’s only been about 6 months and it’s falling over already.
    
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    May 23, 2018 7:12pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Are you man, woman, or binary? You speak like a bogan yet you have a chick’s name.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:50pm
Morrissey

Paula “Snitch” Bennett cares about democracy?

Utterly bogus hissy fit by a certified rat….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104148683/paula-bennett-storms-out-of-question-time-saying-speakers-rulings-are-dangerous-for-democracy
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May 23, 2018 4:37pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Morrissey:
  
  Have you been following the “penis measuring case”? Will Kāpiti Coast councillor David Scott (now found guilty of indecent assault) be added to your gropers list?
  
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  May 23, 2018 4:41pm
  - GazzaW
    
    No doubt he’ll get a stiff sentence if found guilty.
    
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    May 23, 2018 4:58pm
    - hannity
      
      No thanks to his limp defense.
      
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      May 23, 2018 5:37pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Thanks, my friend, but I was already on the case of Groper No. 34 two days ago…
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/general_debate_21_may_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2214427
    
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    May 23, 2018 5:01pm
    - sooty
      
      When are you going to put up the sex camp groper.
      
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      May 23, 2018 7:01pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Christ Morrissey you are a waste of space.
        Why don’t you just fuck off like Hugh.
        Oh, there’s an idea………………..
        
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        May 23, 2018 7:30pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Captain Mainwaring:
        
        Your clean-up crew seems to have missed Hugh’s comments on this thread from yesterday (2 comments with 2 downticks each – posted today in an attempt to avoid detection) and this one (6 downticks).
        
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Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: A BANKER (OUT OF FEAR) SEES SOME DAYLIGHT …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-23-may-2018/#comment-3109819 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/general_debate_22_may_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2215517 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/more_welfare_for_the_wealthy.html/comment-page-1#comment-2215518

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: A BANKER (OUT OF FEAR) SEES SOME DAYLIGHT … JUST SOME …

HAVE THE BANKERS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT UNNECESSARY MORTGAGE SLAVERY AT ANY STAGE ? …

Westpac’s (New Zealand CEO) David McLean says flat house prices for 20-30 years would gradually correct housing unaffordability without igniting the ‘economic carnage’ a big price drop would cause | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/93884/westpac-nz-ceo-david-mclean-comments-distortionary-economic-effects-heated-housing

In an ideal world, the CEO of Westpac New Zealand would like to see house price growth remain on hold for the next few decades.

Speaking at a Trans-Tasman Business Circle breakfast in Auckland on Wednesday, David McLean said: “What we think New Zealand needs is a long period – maybe 20 or 30 years – of zero house price inflation, combined with steady growth in other parts of the economy.”

He said this would “gradually correct” housing unaffordability without igniting the economic carnage that a big price downturn would cause. … read more via hyperlink above …

Bank of mum and dad could be NZ’s sixth largest first-home mortgage lender | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/103712810/bank-of-mum-and-dad-could-be-nzs-sixth-largest-firsthome-mortgage-lender

A generation of mortgage slaves: Auckland’s house prices leave home owners mired in debt | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/103205338/a-generation-of-mortgage-slaves-aucklands-house-prices-leave-home-owners-crippled-in-debt

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
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May 23, 2018 4:55pm
- labrator
  
  Hi Hugh! How’s your anger management course going? I wish you the best at overcoming your inability to take constructive criticism, post anything useful online and keeping your unbridled rage under control.
  
  I think I might call you The Hulk from now on. You’re always angry and love to smash your copy and paste keys as if the keyboard insulted your mother #hughSmash!
  
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  May 23, 2018 5:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I see Philip Roth … author of Portnoy’s Complaint has died.
Decades ago, I attempted to read his new novel “The Breast”.
I forget how far I got into this fantasy of a boring bloke who wakes up one day to discover he had been transformed into a 70kg bosom, but it cured me for ever from reading trendy NY novels.
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May 23, 2018 5:53pm
- nasska
  
  Sounds excruciating Maggy but on a par with Ulysses penned by the talentless James Joyce & subsequently turned into an equally boring film.
  
  Boring because you would have to be out of your tree on acid to follow the plot. The movie’s only redeeming feature was to cause life threatening hypertension amongst this country’s moralists & Godnutters.
  
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  May 23, 2018 6:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  M W, I wondered with this piece of Trash Lit would be your benchmark for refined reading,
  
  https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/delta-of-venus.jpg
  
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  May 23, 2018 6:30pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy’s reading suggestion for Maggy is Delta of Venus by Anaïs Nin:
    
    Delta of Venus is a book of fifteen short stories by Anaïs Nin published posthumously in 1977 — though largely written in the 1940s as erotica for a private collector.
    …
    The collection of short stories that makes up this anthology was written during the 1940s for a private client known simply as “Collector”. This “Collector” commissioned Nin … to produce erotic fiction for his private consumption. Despite being told to leave poetic language aside and concentrate on graphic, sexually explicit scenarios, Nin was able to give these stories a literary flourish and a layer of images and ideas beyond the pornographic.
    
    Is this part of your St Albans “readings” on Sundays?
    
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    May 23, 2018 6:39pm
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      He’ll be back soon Nostra……after he read his link he had a sudden need to wash his keyboard. 🙂
      
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      May 23, 2018 6:45pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I reckon Maggy’s comment belongs in the 2018 Kiwiblog’s most memorable comments collection:
        
        I haven’t found out yet why stephieboy wants my undie measurements.
        
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        May 23, 2018 6:49pm
      - nasska
        
        He’s a worry Nostra. He’s got all the precursors of a sexual deviant……religious belief, SJW ideals, a low IQ & an aggressive nature coupled with an attraction to the pubescent female form.
        
        I advised Maggy to stocktake & rewash her laundry if she left it out overnight. 🙂
        
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        May 23, 2018 6:57pm
      - sooty
        
        Don’t forget Labour member.
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I didn’t see you at the Writers Festival last week, stephieboy (thank goodness).
    
    I had a nice prowl through Mt Eden tho’ and purchased “The Elements of Eloquence” from that rather fine bookstore – Time Out.
    
    Some fine day I might display some hypotaxis on KB.
    
    Anaias Nin and other female psychobabblers aren’t really my cup of tea. (Anyway I classify her as one of the NY crew).
    
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    May 23, 2018 7:06pm
    - lofty
      
      Ha ha stiffie boy won’t know what the NY crew is, without visiting Auntie Google.
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:23pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Tonight Annie Crummer MNZM* with her single Language which peaked at #3. She sang backing vocals on For Today with Netherworld Dancing Toys (also a #3) and had a #1 hit with Melting Pot as part of When The Cat’s Away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXCqjMZQ7bU

* That is Member of the NZ Order of Merit which she received in the 2017 Queens Birthday Honours.
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May 23, 2018 5:55pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Netherworld Dancing Toys For Today is an all time favourite. I remember hearing this song many moons back in a dingy Clapham Flat on a cold February night at 3am and thinking what I wouldn’t give to be back home in the NZ summer.
  
  All good right wingers should hate “Melting Pot” – it is one the the earliest pieces of of Multikult propaganda:
  
  Take a pinch of white man
  Wrap him up in black skin
  Add a touch of blue blood
  And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy
  Oh like a Curly Latin kinkies
  Oh Lordy, Lordy, mixed with yellow Chinkees, yeah
  You know you lump it all together
  And you got a recipe for a get along scene
  Oh what a beautiful dream
  If it could only come true, you know, you know
  
  Well it has come true and rather than being a dream, it’s turned into an Orwellian nightmare
  
  Funny how back then they were permitted to use words like kinkies & chinkies whereas today you’d probably get felt up by the boyz in blue for uttering such words ?
  
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  May 23, 2018 6:35pm
ex-golfer

Re Paula Bennett.
While I understand her point, her actions today make her look childish. They are not going to win with Mallard, and whinging and moaning only makes them look weak.
It would be better be the better party, take a moral high ground, ask hard questions and listen in silence. It gives Mallard no opportunities to interfere.
It will unsettle the Government
And will give National a higher moral ground to attack from when the next election or inevitable scandal comes around.
Megan Woods was caught in a lie today – which she will be forced to correct. Just keep picking them apart, one by one.
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May 23, 2018 7:06pm
- Ross12
  
  ex golfer
  I have not seen the incident but have read a bit about it. While I can see your point there is the another way to look at it –it puts Mallard’s “methods” in the public eye. I realise the MSM will cover it to make Bennett look bad but those who look at it objectively will see what’s happening.
  
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  May 23, 2018 7:14pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    I agree – but the MSM will paint it negatively against National.
    And the average voter thinks that politicians are pathetic anyway – so Paula only reinforced that view today.
    Shining a light on Mallard is one thing – but only those of us from the right will be be annoyed.
    Swing voters need people they can be confident as displaying the attributes of being in power, being in control, being professional and stable.
    And they don’t generally follow what happens inside the beltway.
    So better not to give the CoL or the MSM any ammunition.
    
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    May 23, 2018 7:28pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    National have to compose their questions for the public (the true judges of Mallards farce), and have to summarise Mallards failings and partisan behaviour within their questions, just as a lawyer trying to convince a jury would, if they want to get them into the media. Because given any wiggle room the media (hoping for future staff jobs) will spin it for Labour.
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:29pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  When the Duck restricts questions from the Opposition, it is Political interference.
  Bias is so thick when defending the little girl Prime Minister.
  Trev, you are going downhill sonny
  
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  May 23, 2018 7:17pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    From Hansard: Today in Parliament
    
    Hon Paula Bennett: So why was a $2.8 billion bribe for tertiary students more important than her promises around health, education, and police that she’s promised?
    
    Mr SPEAKER: No, no, no. I’m going to require the deputy leader of the National Party to rephrase that question in a way that she knows is within Standing Orders, and she’s not getting an extra question for doing it; this will be a new supplementary.
    
    Hon Paula Bennett: Why was a $2.8 billion payment for tertiary students more important than her promises around health, education, and police?
    
    Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, a narrow view of the policy given this will have a greater potential impact for those workers who have never ever engaged in post-secondary education. But my second question: if it’s a bribe, will you reverse it?
    
    Hon Paula Bennett: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You ruled out a word that I wasn’t to use, and yet then the Prime Minister is free to use it in her answer.
    
    Mr SPEAKER: I think the Prime Minister could well have been reflecting the inappropriate comment of the member. [Interruption] Order! Order! If members can’t see a description of someone’s own policy as being different from a description of another person’s policy—picking up the words inappropriately used I think is not out of order. What I thought the member was going to object to was the Prime Minister’s reference to the second person, and I want to remind her that she should keep me out of the debate and out of the questions.
    
    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Well, all things considered, then, do we get that question back?
    
    Mr SPEAKER: No.
    
    It was a new supplementary question and asked without the word “bribe” in it. So Trevor Mallard was wrong to allow Jacinda Ardern to use the word “bribe” in her answer to a different supplementary question.
    
    In reality, though, this is beltway politics and the average person (with limited interest in politics) is unlikely to care.
    
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    May 23, 2018 7:37pm
    - stigie
      
      Big Gerry gets stuck into the Speaker via the media today !~
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104155890/national-accuses-speaker-of-pushing-the-stupid-little-girl-story
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:15pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Big Gerry is no match for Parekura Horomia or Jonathon Hunt. Both would have been very suitable Dancing with the Stars contestants in their time!
        
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        May 23, 2018 8:26pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      That was amateurish of the waddling stomach staple to use the word bribe in a question.
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:08pm
Nev.

Bob Jones must be creaming it with all the talkfests, inquiries and committees under Labour. He hasn’t said anything grumpy in a while.
Nev.
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May 23, 2018 7:17pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Jones always creams it when Labour are in power. He has admitted as much several times.
  
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  May 23, 2018 7:30pm
  - sooty
    
    With a 100 talkfeast in progress, if you are not making a fortune out of this goverment, you are tits. Eveyone from travel, accom food, drinks, office space, office supplies, etc, etc should be creaming it! Edait forgot all the temp staff for each talkfeast.
    
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    May 23, 2018 10:15pm
nasska

Little known facts about South Aucklanders:

* Female Southern Aucks come into season at age 10 & a typical specimen will pump out 4-5 juveniles by the time she is rendered infertile by chlamydia at age 20.

* The education system then takes over & can produce a fully fledged Southern Auck by the average expulsion age of 13.

* Once South Auckland parents can no longer obtain child benefits, young Aucks are cut loose to make their own way in the world.

* In years past, a large proportion would then be impressed for service on merchant ships & thankfully drown at sea.

* These days Southern Aucks typically begin adulthood at the Mangere welfare office, a major gathering spot for fledging Aucks.

* Upon obtaining their first dole payment most Southern Aucks obtain unregistered & unwarranted shitter cars usually for less than the proceeds of two muggings.
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May 23, 2018 8:02pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Wow. Kiwiblubbers are getting very very angry indeed.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:39pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Muttonbird:
    
    Were you “very very angry indeed” when you said this?
    
    Sorry, but I find it really difficult to accept the opinion on justice matters of a bitter identity stealer and domestic abuser holed up in a dump in rural north west Auckland
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:49pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      Oh cool. You are equating Garrett with the people nasska appears to be demonising.
      
      I can live with that.
      
      South Aucklanders offer way more value than Mr Baby Stealer though.
      
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      May 23, 2018 8:54pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Muttonbird:
        
        You’re over-reaching – I’m not equating anything.
        
        You said “Kiwiblubbers are getting very very angry indeed”. I was wondering about your temperament when you commented on David Garrett. Because, on one reading, you have anger issues when you comment on David Garrett.
        
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        May 23, 2018 8:58pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Who wouldn’t?
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska, cross check with Stars and Stripes.
  
  He lives there!
  
  LOL
  
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  May 23, 2018 10:00pm
Muttonbird

There were a lot of kiwiblubbers the other day questioning the impact of MCB. They said the meat and milk is safe to eat so what’s the problem. They said that ignoramus Nathan Guy did a good job trying to get compensation for all his farmer mates while trying to cover up the disease and keep it from the media.

Turns out MCB is going to cost us $1billion dollars…

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/05/mycoplasma-bovis-could-cost-new-zealand-1-billion.html

No problem, the townies will pay for the country bumpkins’ fuck-ups…
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May 23, 2018 8:44pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Hey Mutantbird.
  
  Hey
  
  Hey
  
  Mutantbird
  
  Hey
  
  Fuck off.
  
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  May 23, 2018 8:54pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    Are you happy with the $1 billion bill Nathan Guy has left us with?
    
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    May 23, 2018 8:56pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Happier with a billon dollar bill in diary than I am about no longer having an oil industry
      
      Fuck off with your half arsed trolling and stupid comments. You lefties are a bunch of thick fuckers who wouldn’t understand economics if it jumped up grabbed your non-gender defined nut sack
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Nostradamus,
    
    “apocryphal” ?
    
    Simply put, untrue!
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:58pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      Simply put, untrue!
      
      Let’s consult the Oxford Dictionary:
      
      apocryphal
      adjective
      1 (of a story or statement) of doubtful authenticity, although widely circulated as being true.
      ‘an apocryphal story about a former president’
      ‘his alleged description of opera as ‘fat gits singing’ is probably apocryphal’
      
      Pronunciation
      apocryphal/əˈpɒkrɪf(ə)l/
      
      So, to be precise, Russell Brown implied that the rumour is of “doubtful authenticity”. Because of course, Mr Brown wasn’t there and neither was I, so we don’t know for certain whether the rumour is true or not.
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:15pm
Nostradamus

Muttonbird:

The Standard is down (the world’s greatest sys-op must be struggling) but we have this Kiwiblog record:

Notrotsky: Just when you think The Standard couldn’t get any more retarded … “I’m hearing the mystery 20 year old man was a Young Nat plant. Once you consider that, everything makes sense.”

Sponge: Muttonbird is, even for the standard, one of the most unhinged and lunatic posters. It pollutes Kiwiblog from time to time too from memory.

And here you are!

Now, seeing as we’ve got your attention, do you really think the Labour Party sex camp deviant was a “Young Nat plant”?
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May 23, 2018 9:03pm
- Muttonbird
  
  What other explanation is there?
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:16pm
  - stigie
    
    You lot are a bunch of fucking deviants !~
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:21pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Muttonbird:
    
    What other explanation is there?
    
    Let’s see:
    
    Phil Goff: Mr Goff said yesterday that the woman was “strikingly beautiful”.
    
    David Benson-Pope: Sado-masochistic sexual torture has, surprisingly, taken off in recent years as society’s tolerance of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender sex has grown. … Gay Labour MPs Tim Barnett and Chris Carter sometimes attend BDSM functions in Christchurch and Auckland respectively, but until Investigate received a tip off earlier this year no-one knew that Benson-Pope was even more involved than either of his gay colleagues.
    
    Darren Hughes: Labour leader Phil Goff has accepted under-fire Labour list MP Darren Hughes’ resignation following sex scandal allegations. … Several staff at a central Wellington business have said that a young man was spotted by the company’s owner around 4.30am on March 2 near Moxham Ave and the south end of the Mount Victoria tunnel. … “He was completely naked and was covering his penis with his hand,” the staff member said. “It looked like he was hitchhiking or waiting for a ride, he didn’t look in a good way.”
    
    Three examples.
    
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    May 23, 2018 9:29pm
    - stigie
      
      Don’t leave Darren Hughes out, he will feel lonely..?
      And the Professor……. Fuck me, what is wrong with Labour..?
      
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      May 23, 2018 9:32pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Don’t worry Stigie – I’ve now included Darren Hughes in my comment!
        
        Actually, as Mikenmild reminded us 2 years ago, quoting Russell Brown:
        
        I’m familiar with the Peter Davis rumour, in all its various locations – San Francisco, Los Angeles, Pakistan, Hagley Park; a public toilet, a taxi, an airport – and with its different supporting actors: MFAT, the police and the Diplomatic Protection Squad. The sheer range of flavours available ought to signal to any sensible person that the story is apocryphal.
        
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        May 23, 2018 9:35pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      You actually brought up Richard Worth in your defence!
      
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      May 23, 2018 10:14pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        No, Muttonbird, I brought up Phil Goff – not Richard Worth – and my comment wasn’t a “defence” (hint: see my use of the word “examples”). Blog commenting seems to be difficult for you, so here’s a tip: try focusing on the words and names I actually use!
        
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        May 23, 2018 10:20pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Pfft
  Nice try
  No takers
  
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  May 23, 2018 9:47pm
Philview

Just read about the UK Labour Party’s “Women’s Officer”. He is a man who identifies as a woman on Wednesday nights. He must win the Crazy Socialist award this week.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/05/23/labour-allows-bearded-man-stand-woman-identifies-female-once-week/
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May 23, 2018 9:10pm
Jack5

Help! Kiwiblog legal eagle readers please help us understand this…

Is a layman right in feeling uneasy about reporting of the case against Kapiti councillor David Scott?

A Wellington District Court jury yesterday (Wednesday) found Kapiti councillor Scott guilty of indecently assaulting a council employee.

Stuff tonight reports the case under a heading which includes the words, “what the David Scott jury did not get to hear”:

“Female staff at Kapiti Coast District Council were known to view councillor David Scott as a predator.”

Stuff goes on to refer in the report to the views on Scott held by two women council staff members:

“The second woman was at the door of a council event and greeting people with a peck on the cheek or a hongi. She heard Scott get in line and say, ‘I might as well get some of that,’ as he kissed her cheek.

“She had heard that he was a predator with younger staff when they were alone, she said.”

Stuff says the Crown asked Wellington District Court judge Denys Barry to allow the statements of the two women staff to be given in evidence.

The Stuff report says:

“Judge Barry disagreed with the Crown’s request saying it was loaded with illegitimate prejudice that were beyond the ability of judicial directions to focus the mind of jurors to approach this evidence as an analytic reasoning tool because the evidence itself was rife with innuendo, he said.”

My question is: if a judge refuses to allow statements to be included in evidence, can the media fairly – and safely – report those statements as they can other court proceedings?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104160355/his-behaviour-was-creepy-what-the-david-scott-jury-did-not-get-to-hear
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Jack5

The sisterhood throws its weight around in the London police – and costs it nearly a million pounds over the treatment of a senior male cop. He brought a case against the police alleging sex discrimination by her.

She is the same cop – Deputy Assistant Commissioner Maxine De Brunner – who has been placed under formal misconduct investigation after she asked for a massive deployment of officers and specialist units to entertain at the private Chinthurst School, where her son is a pupil, while Britain was on high terror alert.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5760163/Met-police-chief-inspector-wins-sexism-case-against-female-senior-colleague.html

AND

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693877/Terror-fear-grips-Britain-police-chief-sent-team-son-s-school-entertain-pupils-dogs-horses-cars.html
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