General Debate 1 May 2018

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William of Ockham

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Greenhouses gases? Yes, vote National and change physics… Remember, for a shit hot future vote Simon burn-your Bridges!
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May 1, 2018 8:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Fuckwit alert!
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Captian Mainwaring,
    
    your half with alert –
    
    http://pessimistincarnate.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/paddy-and-half-wit.html
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:47am
    - double d
      
      fail – if you are going to sledge – at least spell it right…..
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:16am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  We interupt this low rating hidden comment on general debate to bring you an important social message from Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:07am
  - Simon
    
    William is a useful reminder. While objectively yes he is a fuckwit among his own people the Greens he is quiet normal.
    
    When William’s people get to run things its off to the gulag for anyone who disagrees with their junk science.
    
    William is a history lesson. When you plan society based on junk science gulags are essential.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:36am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Simon, didn’t know Willian was a closeted Neo Stalinist?
      
      Another half-wit award for you,
      
      http://pessimistincarnate.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/paddy-and-half-wit.html
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:50am
    - SGA
      
      @Simon
      
      Isn’t Will of O our old mate Dennis H? If so, he never struck me as particularly left-wing. I’d always had him pegged as a centre-right type of person who happens to believe that the scientific evidence points to climate change (and that our behaviour is contributing to it). Not so?
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:19am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I am always very suspicious of political agendas of income redistribution that are couched in the language of “it’s for safety / for saving the _____” especially when it is impossible to short-term test the theories to see if they hold water or not.
        It’s all too convenient.
        It is also suspicious when the institutions holding the “data” refuse to release it or to disclose their methodology. After all, scientific experiments and analyses must be repeatable.
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:04am
      - SGA
        
        Sorry, Odakyu-sen, too subtle for me, I can’t follow your point? Or at least how it relates to my comment.
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:11am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Oh, it’s just a general comment on my suspicions of the motives of people who have agendas that utilize the argument that anthropogenic climate change is significant and reversible.
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:55am
      - SGA
        
        Ahhh, I see. Will of O can’t be just be a concerned citizen, he must belong to some group with an nefarious agenda. Got it now. Thanks 🙂
        
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        May 1, 2018 11:17am
- burt
  
  William of Ockham
  
  How is the antarctic ice this year ?
  
  You do know that just because CO2 concentration is easy to measure that doesn’t mean it must be the only thing that matters for climate ?
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:50am
  - All_on_Red
    
    And the Arctic Ice…
    
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    May 1, 2018 12:42pm
Maxx

Government announces further tax for Kiwis buying low-value goods online https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12042435

Another day another tax. Not that I’m against this as it should be extended to all online purchases. Will they spend the additional money raised on their election promise for cheaper GP visits, or is it a scramble to pave over the huge financial gaps starting to open? Yep, thought so.
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May 1, 2018 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  It is not a Tax it is a Levy – how many times do you have to be told.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:29am
  - freethinker
    
    The T in Gst which is what will be paid stands for –
    TAXINDA
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:30am
  - RF
    
    Go outside and flagellate yourself you naughty boy.
    
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    May 1, 2018 1:02pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Thanks to Labour, my business and business’ like mine, NOT individuals, will be detrimentally impacted. Meaning hiring new employees will be extended out even further.
  We bring in overflow goods, special parts, small (time sensitive) orders via airfreight (usually use sea freight) which will become less cost effective and add to the time it takes to get here.
  The other thought was…why, it will cost the govt. /taxpayer more to collect than the tax will bring in.
  Proof they have no idea how business’/the economy actually runs.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:45am
  - KevOB
    
    The cost of collection has been considered in the past and a wiser government set the $400 threshold acknowledging that. No tax collector would recommend higher costs than the revenue collected.
    
    Taxinda’s govt wants be take over all the action and be their own best advisors. Ideology and can-do takes precedence over reality.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:29am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      They are probably thinking more of pushing business back into NZ stores, where they gain some tax benefit.
      
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      May 1, 2018 10:25am
    - Paulus
      
      I will get my wide family both in the UK and USA to buy for me; I can send/transfer them the money and they can send me my birthday present.
      
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      May 1, 2018 1:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Labour’s propaganda will say the tax protects shopkeepers, and the media will rush out and get comments from Mum and Dad shop owners.
        
        Those stand to benefit most from the protection are retail chains like the Warehouse, Noel Leeming, and Harvey Norman.
        
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        May 1, 2018 3:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Tip: GST doesn’t apply to used goods.
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Some IRD details on secondhand goods (it’s down the page, and notice the interesting exemptions – e.g. “fine” metals cannot be classified as secondhand) :
        
        http://www.ird.govt.nz/gst/additional-calcs/calc-spec-supplies/calc-special/special-supplies-r-v.html
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:38pm
- ex-golfer
  
  This was actually being progressed by National prior to the Election anyway.
  All Nash has done is pick up the previous Governments work and will be releasing a discussion document.
  This article in February pre-empted today’s announcement:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/100993141/government-reveals-nats-secret-plan-to-impose-an-amazon-tax-in-2019
  
  Essentially Nash is re-packaging Judith Collins work. Its a tactic straight out of the Phil Twyford playbook.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:55am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    All the studies said, it would be too costly to implement, that’s why they DIDN’T do it.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:07am
    - ex-golfer
      
      If you read the article it clearly says National was going to do it. A pesky thing called the election got in the way.
      “Collins said the “smartest thing” the new Government could do would be to continue with the approach set out in the Cabinet paper, noting Labour had pushed ahead with multinational tax law changes originally drawn up by the last government.”
      I thought you were a Judith Collins fan?
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:13am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Don’t make the same mistake as the MSM…..Talking is NOT doing, discussing, is NOT doing.
        Govt.s discuss a lot of things and reject most, why do you think, if it was a good idea, they postponed and further thought on it till 2019?
        Surely good ideas are used immediately.
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:36am
      - ex-golfer
        
        so you don’t agree with Collins assertion that:
        “…the “smartest thing” the new Government could do would be to continue with the approach set out in the Cabinet paper…” ???
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:56am
  - cmm
    
    Whether National were or were not going to do this is completely immaterial. They didn’t end up in power.
    
    All that matters is what Jacinda said, and she promised a tax working group with new tax options put before the voter in 2020. Jacinda said no new taxes until then.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96852721/read-my-lips-no-new-taxes-says-labour
    
    In theory she is right. This is GST, it it not a new tax – just extending its application. However that is not how it is being experienced.
    
    Nor would it be a new tax if GST was put up to 25%. That would just be tweaking an existing tax.
    
    Nor is the fuel tax a new tax – it is just being extended.
    
    But no matter the weasel words, this will come back to bite them.
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:09am
    - backster
      
      Putting up Income Tax is not a new tax it is just adjusting the margins of the existing tax.
      
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      May 1, 2018 10:20am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I do support leveling the playing field for local businesses. But some things just can’t be bought in NZ. That seems to be of no concern to Taxinda.
      
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      May 1, 2018 1:22pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    What is the real reason people buy on line.
    I believe people buy things they can’t get here, far more than for the cheap price.
    
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    May 1, 2018 5:22pm
- Huevon
  
  The PM’s interview with Hosking was a train wreck. She “really refuted” that this was a new tax and went on and on about the tax always being there but never collected.
  
  This is a tactic Jacinda uses all the time. She obfuscates and relies on narrow technicalities. She did it with the secret coalition agreement, with Syria, with oil and gas. The woman is fucking useless.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:39am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Fucking useless is being outright generous Huevon. Ardern will go down as the worst PM the country has ever had, and her Government the same. This Labour coalition has seen the most inept group of politicians bought together than NZ has ever seen. I know its serious stuff, but you really have to laugh.
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    With a trick like that she should go into the circus.
    After all she can get both feet in her mouth while dancing on the head of a pin.
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:39am
  - burt
    
    She is totally useless, hardly even captain material for the high school debate team.
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:52am
  - alwyn
    
    I suggest you simply read the latest squirrel sighting story.
    Why worry about the problems of the country when you can read this sort of fluff?
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/103523415/jacinda-ardern-was-another-mans-date-the-first-time-she-met-clarke-gayford
    
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    May 1, 2018 2:13pm
- Fletch
  
  Bastards. ? I don’t see how they can tax stuff we bought overseas in which they literally play no part.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:13am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    BUT…name me the part the govt. plays in any of my taxes…they just take
    I haven’t seen an IRD employee
    Sourcing product for my company
    Selling to my customers
    Servicing my customers
    Getting new streams of revenue
    They just pass a law, reach into my pocket and take it.
    To add insult to injury, they make me calculate how much they take and if I get it wrong they fine me.
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:42am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  And, now that Labour have backed away from setting up RNZ as a TV station this Budget – anyone noticed how the tone has softened and warmed up again to Jacinda, as predicted?
  
  Easy times and a complicit media return to the fold.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:41am
holysheet

Give me strength. Saw Cindy saying on the news the commerce commission is to be beefed up to enable it to stop fuel companies from increasing the cost of fuel. The very next article was about the increase in fuel tax by the council and the govt increase to total 20 cents per litre.
I guess when the fuel companies AND the govt increase the fuel price, then the public will blame the govt. Just wait for the outrage when the price hits $3 a litre.
Talk about dumb. But then this cluster fuck of a govt doesn’t know anything else.
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May 1, 2018 8:02am
- Maxx
  
  Looking forward to the own goal when they look at regulating the price of fuel and the calculation ends up being that the price should go up.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:06am
  - srylands
    
    Or that fuel companies decide that supplying fuel to New Zealand is unprofitable and a pain in the arse, and pull out. Then we would be stuck with KiwiFuel staffed by surly PSA members who shut up shop at 5.00pm.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:30am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Shell is now ‘Z’ Energy, because NZ was a pain to deal with.
      Just in case they think it can’t happen.
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:47am
      - alwyn
        
        Shell were also a great deal better for the consumer than Z has been.
        Z are now the company that tends to put up their prices first and drop them last. Shell tended to lag the rest of the industry in raising prices but led the industry in lowering them.
        
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        May 1, 2018 2:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep , it’s a bit rich for the gubmint to complain about fuel companies and petrol prices when half of the total is tax .
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:22am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Q: Who’s next?
    Who will be the next target of the govt. telling PRIVATE companies, how much they can charge, how much profit they can make and how they can run THEIR company to make a profit?
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:50am
    - double d
      
      i wonder if they have been reading the signals ……
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:21am
    - rangitoto
      
      My advice is to stock up on dunny paper.
      
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      May 1, 2018 10:11am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        This reminds me of old soviet joke.
        
        Two friends run into each other on the street. One of them is carrying a backpack full of toilet paper.
        
        Bro! Where did you get all this toilet paper? Which shop is selling it, tell me quickly!
        Don’t get so excited. The other guy replies. I’ve just picked up my own from the drycleaners.
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:25am
      - sooty
        
        Landlords!
        
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        May 1, 2018 12:28pm
- hullkiwi
  
  As Bassett said in the article in the Listener, Cindy has a knowledge deficit and now she is PM she doesn’t have time to bring herself up to speed. So each time she does a press conference or an interview, she waffles or b******ts an answer and in the hours that follows people pick apart what she said. Eventually, it will sink in just how vacuous and what a liability she really is.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:23am
  - Happychappy
    
    I’m looking forward to when they start negotiations with the nurses Union over wage increases and then the Teachers Union as if they give in to the demands the queues from other Unions will be added to the list and the Labour hole will get deeper. The problem is they can’t keep putting them off as come next Election and the lolly scramble they will want to promise will have no funding and they won’t be able to blame National for their own financial mismanagement.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    “Eventually” ?
    
    Fuck , that was apparent on her very first day on the campaign trail. She was asked about the Reserve Bank interest rate meeting that day , and she clearly didn’t know it was on . The Media Party gave her a free pass on that one. Had she been a “right wing conservative” they’d have massacred her.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:59am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Barbie = Jacinda
    Barbie …made of plastic
    Jacinda…Artificial
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    Barbie…..hollow
    Jacinda….Vacuous
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    Both sold entirely on their looks
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    Both sold in a cellophane and cardboard box that is useless after you have the doll.
    In Jacinda’s case it’s called “The Labour Party”
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:13am
  - double d
    
    hullkiwi – i think that is the worse thing that can happen to a lefty such as Ardern – is being accused of a knowledge deficit. As we all know, lefties know what is best for all. 🙂 But the reality is the socialists that get to power are intellectual snobs and find it very hard to be critiqued. Bassetts words will cut deep, but will be ultimately brushed as as he is a class traitor. 4th labour government and all that.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    What is is this “eventually” concept you speak of?
    
    Cindy only has to keep paddling for another 45 days (or less if she get’s a doctor’s note and pulls a sickie).
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:12am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Come on cmm, for people like us, we were very quickly worked out what Toothy is. We just had to watch her lips move and hear her words to deduce she is lying, vacuous, incompetent and out of her depth air head.
      
      It is her supporters on the left who at the moment are having to defend the indefensible airhead called Jacinda, that have a problem. Eventually, her currency will be so worthless that they:
      1. Will not be able to defend her;
      2. See her as a liability the longer she remains leader; and
      3. Will ditch her for someone else.
      
      It just remains as to what & when the tipping point will be.
      
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      May 1, 2018 12:00pm
    - RF
      
      I am picking she will pull out the pregnancy card when the questions in the house get tougher.
      
      As a good friend who works in parliament building tells me… she can sure bloody talk – but with no substance. Clark could talk but she knew the subject….
      
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      May 1, 2018 5:51pm
  - alwyn
    
    “people pick apart what she said. Eventually, it will sink in “.
    You must be a great deal smarter than I am. If I try and analyse what she has really said I get left with a perfect vacuum. As far as I can tell she uses thousands and thousands of words saying precisely nothing.
    
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    May 1, 2018 2:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  So…just like Auntie Helen, she is to solve unemployment by increasing the “public service” (oxymoron much?).
  We’ve been here before me thinks, we voted it out, didn’t we?
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:54am
  - Harkman
    
    It’s having the side effect of pushing up Wellington rents to stratospheric levels. They’re $20 per week higher than Auckland’s, they were $20 per week lower prior to the election and Auckland’s keep going up.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:23am
- KevOB
  
  BP were legal. When a business has branches what right do Labour have to dictate branch pricing? They may as sell set all prices for all goods and services throughout NZ.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:46am
  - cmm
    
    It’s all a big squirrel.
    
    You can’t just start another conversation all the time. Sometimes you need something different – like ask the commerce commission to have a conversation istead.
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:14am
- Paulus
  
  At Mobil Tauranga just now I paid $2.179 for 98 Oct.
  Nice counter guy says just watch.
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:28am
Inandout

Goff walks to work?
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May 1, 2018 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  Long way from Clevedon.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:06am
  - Maxx
    
    When he says Goof walks to work he means he walks from where the car drops him off to the office.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:07am
    - freethinker
      
      The big mistake is using the word WORK and GOFF unless you are referring to his visit to the money trough.
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:33am
    - Inandout
      
      Yes, he was very quick to correct himself on TV and blame ‘one person cars’ using the motorways. He obviously has a lackey to drive him to work from Clevedon. What a fucking hypocrite.
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:43am
      - Maxx
        
        He’s a fucking genius! Having someone drive you means there are 2 people in the car and can now use T2 lanes.
        
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        May 1, 2018 8:59am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Cut the councillors and the Mayors free carparks. They can take public transport like everyone else.
      
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      May 1, 2018 10:21am
- RW Capitalist
  
  News, this morning:
  “Phil Goff says…”
  3 words to strike terror into any rate payer.
  or
  3 words to describe an idiot.
  or 3 words to precede a stupid lie or statement
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:57am
- MrTips
  
  He should now that he’s joined club SS: stents and statins. Standard m.o. after a heart attack.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:21am
Steve (North Shore)

No reduction in Doctor fees? I am 66 and still working. I collect Super which I pay 33% Tax on. A visit to the Doctor still costs me $65. If it is ACC related the subsidy for me to pay is $50. I do not qualify for a Community Services Card.
When are you going to stop Taxing me so hard Jacinda? I have been paying Tax for well over 50 years, you have had more than your share. Now all you can do is tell LIES
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May 1, 2018 8:10am
- Poppa
  
  Get used to it Steve, they will be getting more not less unfortunately.
  
  I am in a similar position myself, but the doctor only charged me $48 yesterday so that must be a win
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:18am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Expensive doctors – mine was $42 yesterday.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:25am
    - srylands
      
      Mine is $69. EDIT I’m not complaining She is great and I am happy to pay. And there is free cucumber water while you wait.
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:32am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sorry to break it to you Srylands but at $69 I don’t think that Cucumber water is ‘free’.
        
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        May 1, 2018 8:41am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        $25. seems a lot for a glass of cucumber water.
        
        Incidentally I eat a 6″ piece of cucumber a day – does wonders in keeping the blood sugar count down while the steroids do their work.
        
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        May 1, 2018 8:44am
      - RF
        
        Ok. I will bite. What’s cucumber water.
        
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        May 1, 2018 6:58pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I reckon you get what you pay for. There are no dirty stinking dropkick druggies where I go. The point I make is Labour campaigned on a reduction then reneged. That is a LIE
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:25am
- MCos
  
  Just as a comparison when I visit the doctor I pay $18, as does everyone else registered to that particular practice.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    For a while I went to a Doctor who charged $15, it was something to do with the area he was in. After sitting in a waiting room with druggies, trans sexuals and street people a couple of times I was more than happy to change to a $52 a visit doctor. There are two completely different worlds in NZ and I know which I prefer.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:32am
    - GoVege
      
      Our doctor charges under $20.
      The scariest person I’ve ever seen there was some twit in a burqa.
      Fortunately it’s a rare occurrence.
      
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      May 1, 2018 1:13pm
  - srylands
    
    Where is this fairy dust doctor located? And what is the quality like?
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:33am
    - MCos
      
      Three Kings in my case. Nothing wrong with either the clientele or the professional staff.
      There is the option of making an appointment or wandering in and waiting a half hour or so for the next doctor.
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:51am
      - Swifty
        
        Yep, I’m with Three Kings. Always found the staff there very good. Off there again tomorrow in fact.
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:31am
    - lifesgood
      
      Surgery has since closed it was in West Tamaki Rd. Glen Innes. Apparently they got this cheap rate because they were linked to some research or something. I did have it explained but have forgotten. Doctor was average to OK.
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:54am
      - Kabull
        
        The surgery may have been a Primary Health Organisation (PHO), with a contract with the local DHB to provide primary health care. The PHO I attend here in the Hutt Valley charges $18 for a standard 15min consultation.
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/primary-health-care/about-primary-health-organisations
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:43am
- KevOB
  
  Check your Community Services Card entitlement. I believe it goes with the NS.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:49am
  - alwyn
    
    They aren’t really that generous. You don’t get it just for being on NS. It is, in fact very strictly means tested.
    If Steve is paying 33% on any part of his income he isn’t going to qualify.
    For example if he is getting NS and is living alone you aren’t eligible if you earn more than $29,299/year
    https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/community-services-card.html#null
    
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    May 1, 2018 2:31pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      That’s where I fit in – the amount I earn. I have a partner, she works as well, and no CS Card.
      There is a situation where if you earn too much, those earnings above a certain figure get Taxed at 70 cents in the dollar – yep, 70%
      
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      May 1, 2018 3:03pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  But you get a gold card from Winston, so that’s all ok then……
  
  cough cough (bullshit) cough cough
  
  You should claim the couples rate!
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:21am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Goldcard – right. Gets me $5 off a haircut. Never used it for anything else
    
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    May 1, 2018 3:04pm
holysheet

A man and his wife are awakened at 3am by loud banging on the door. The man gets up and opens the door where a drunken stranger is standing in the pouring rain asking for a push. “Fuck off!” Says the man “It’s 3 in the morning”. He slams the door and goes back to bed. “Who was that?” Asks his wife. “Just some drunk asking for a push” answers the husband. “Did you help him?” She asks “No I fucking didn’t, it’s 3am and its pissing down”. “Well you’ve a short memory” she says “Do you not remember 3 months ago when we broke down and those 2 guys helped us? You should be ashamed of yourself! Now get out there and help him!” The man does as he’s told, he gets dressed and goes out into the pissing rain”. He calls out into the dark “Hello, are you still there?” “Yes” comes back the answer “Do you still need a push?” Calls the husband “Yes please” comes the reply from the dark “Where are you?” Asks the husband “Over here on the swing” replies the drunk.
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May 1, 2018 8:16am
- lifesgood
  
  Thanks for the early morning chuckle!
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:33am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Good one Holy – how come SB didn’t find something offensive about that?
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:37am
  - holysheet
    
    Stooopidboy was the drunk on the swing.
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:40am
- GoVege
  
  Here’s a true story, holy.
  Last Sunday I’m talking to a Samoan relative.
  SR: Look…there’s some builders working on Sunday!
  Me: They’re Chinese….they’re probably not Christian, like you.
  (Get on subject of Chinese.)
  Me: They’re very nice and hard-working. ..but never go to a Chinese restaurant with them.
  You’ll have to watch them sucking on chicken feet.
  SR: you know those birds with only one leg?
  Me: you mean seagulls?
  SR: yeah. Chinese take their leg.
  Me: don’t be silly…the fish probably bite their leg off in the sea.
  SR: no…Chinese take their leg, to eat.
  Me: then why don’t they take BOTH legs while they’re at it?
  SR: they can’t do that! They need one to stand on.
  (Goes in shop.)
  On return..”I saw two more of those birds with one leg”.
  Me: Chinese huh?
  SR: Yeah.
  (Very gravely): we Samoans don’t sink that low….
  (Hope I haven’t offended any Chinese people out there.)
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you imagine that there is a little lady sitting in backroom of a Chinese Restaurant slicing all the webbing off seagulls’ feet before they get cooked up as chooks’ feet?
    http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/southern-black-backed-gull
    
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    May 1, 2018 3:03pm
    - GoVege
      
      At least one person seems to think so, Maggie. 🙂
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:20pm
  - realityczech
    
    Jesus wept Vege are you okay dear?
    
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    May 1, 2018 5:49pm
    - GoVege
      
      I’m good, sweet RC.
      But try to control your erotic posts tonight….don’t want you getting banned again! 🙂
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:22pm
oldpark

Since the Peters selected “Coalition of Corruption and Chaos” made the unilateral call to cancel all exploration and gas prospecting in NZ .
Seems that type of Peters Government has frightened the horses.
Case in point . NZ builders confidence has taken a hit. Their confidence in the industry is the lowest in the last ten years.
Peters track record of the last Forty Years in Parliament,where chaos and dissension is his forte and confusion is rife, is a huge indictment on why he has been dumped by most parties who had the misfortune to take him aboard.
NZ rockstar economy under the National Government is fast becoming a memory,as the self appointed Dictator known as Peters and his decision to select the Col, is taking NZ and its citizens into a comparison of say Venezuela or Cuba or even North Korea making NZ a mirror image of that type of socialism.,None of it is a good look wonder why the building industry has lost confidence. Maybe they and others are holding their breath being afraid or even very afraid to learn what is the next COL assault on business .
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May 1, 2018 8:21am
- Doubledimp
  
  Personally i think it’s a job creation scheme. If the current government tanks the building sector, they can ride in on their white charger and take over and “rescue” us, all the while shrugging and saying ‘not our fault this happened’. They must really thing we all came in on the last turnip truck politically.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Which COLL members are going to be given a hammer and told by Cindy – Go Build, as there is nobody else who will do the job.
    Women can do that also – not just a man’s job.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:32am
  - LTA1955
    
    Venezuela tried that…..a complete and utter disaster and is in plain view for the world to see.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:37am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Hard Lefties never see Communist disasters clear for all the world to see. They are utterly blind to the horrors of Communism :(.
      
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      May 1, 2018 1:53pm
- Harkman
  
  Yes whenever Winston is in government there is a recession.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:55am
- KevOB
  
  If the govt can dictate prices to BP they can dictate prices to local builders too.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:50am
MT_Tinman

A few days ago a post stated that exceeding a pathetic amount of booze a day would shorten your life.

Using the fact that my father and his father both died around the 90 mark I did a little mental arithmetic.

It was enlightening.

The medical condition I developed last September and am being treated for is probably not a rheumatic illness as diagnosed but rigor mortis and I died at the end of last August.
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May 1, 2018 8:21am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  If you are actually brain dead, why are you not in Cabinet?
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:22am
cmm

Anyone else notice the weird ministerial combinations we have in government?

The minister of culture is also the minister of poverdee. The same minister must make a case for both funding of rich pricks’ interests like ballet as well as worrying about kids with no shoes. How do those fit together?

The minister for parking is also the minister for women. How do chicks and parking fit together?

The minister for justice is also mister for ToW. Completely incongruous.

The finance minister is also minister for sports junkets. The finance minister should be keeping a tight control over the money bag, not help spend it!
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May 1, 2018 8:28am
- SGA
  
  If you look at past governments, I think you will find strange mixes of portfolios as well. I looked up Judith Collins to see what she was, and prior to the election she was Minister of Energy and Resources and Minister of Ethnic Communities. Go figure?
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:32am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Phil Goff was the Minister of Defence at the same time as he was the Minister of Disarmament!
  
  You can’t make this shit up! Yes Minister was a documentary, wasn’t it!
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:23am
  - SGA
    
    Were they separate portfolios, or was he just Minister of Defence and Disarmament (which, granted, is an very odd name for a Ministry 🙂 ).
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:24am
JasonJohns

Australia needs to confiscate his passport
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/30/david-goodall-australia-oldest-scientist-to-end-own-life-in-switzerland

Otherwise the war against God has a new front
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May 1, 2018 8:29am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  JasonJohns, what conceivably has the Lord of hosts got to do with you?
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well that’s not really the news I like to hear.
  
  David Goodall is one of my plant ecology heroes.
  He has been a real workhorse and a mentor for a couple of generations of Aussie plant ecologists.
  
  Still, at 104 he’s old enough to know his own mind.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-04/david-goodall-is-104-but-takes-no-pleasure-in-getting-older/9614344
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:47am
- JibberJabber
  
  Of course God could always stop him ending his own life, if he/it/she can`t, not much of a God then?
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:41am
Monique Watson

S’gunna be a one term Government.
1. She’s waving the mace at the fuel companies when everyone is aware that the excise on gas is way more than the fuel companies lifting prices. NZer’s can smell hypocrisy a mile off.

2. She’s killing the gas exploration industry prematurely when the Taranaki basin has huge potential for more wells, bringing jobs and cheaper tax
https://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-99/issue-29/exploration-development/new-zealand-potential-1-taranaki-basin-yielding-large-oil-and-gas-discoveries.html
All that engineering talent is going to piss off overseas. Had a rellie move to Houston.

Said rellie worked on this (project manager) just out of interests sake:
http://www.oedigital.com/subsea/item/16697-video-world-s-largest-spar-aasta-hansteen-mated-in-norwegian-fjord

That’s the kind of talent NZ is bleeding thanks to Jacinda’s need to kowtow to the Greens.

3. There’s three women running the government. Four if you count Winston. Jacinda, Megan and Curran. Too complicated by halves. Abhorrent to men except for the pantywaists.

4. You can’t run a Government on kindness.
FFSake. If it’s jobs vs kindness then NZer’s will vote jobs.
I’ve got more but the mutt is nagging for a walk.

Oh yeah and she’s bringing in a tax a day.
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May 1, 2018 8:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  1…..Shouldn’t she shut up?
  Excise/tax is calculated as a % of the fuel and added AFTER the fuel companies actual price.
  Meaning, reducing the fuel price, reduces the tax the govt. collects.
  Unintended consequence (reducing the potential tax take) of not understanding anything about the economy.
  or trying to blame someone else for the price increases.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:24am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  How are National going to get to 61 though?
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:38am
  - Happychappy
    
    They have more chance than Labour if Winston First and the Greens don’t get the 5%. But on saying that it only takes someone like Jones, Curran, Twyford or the new Leader of the greens to fuckup to bring the Coalition to their knees then the Election will turn into being the one way traffic for National.
    
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    May 1, 2018 1:23pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Agree with most, Monique, but strong, sensible women in government are no problem. The current ones definitely are though.
  
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  May 1, 2018 2:00pm
oldgolfer

Excellent summation.
Woof.
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May 1, 2018 8:41am
freethinker

Last night I read an article on Zero Hedge explaining the most evil tricks Australian Banks have committed against their customers by using tools to identify the maximum amount of interest that can be charged against a cost of living/earning index. This was known to APRA the regulator in 2007 who appears to have done nothing. I cannot find the article now and a site search on Australian Banks show a 404 error. Apparently the same trick was used by international Banks against Argentina so it appears Bankers Globally think it is OK to act like slave masters.
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May 1, 2018 8:41am
niggly

Good grief, Taxinda on Morning Report saying that that govt needs to pay down debt in case of natural disaster or other “significant issues” (in part used as reasons why doctors visit fees won’t be reduced as per their election promise etc).

Then she went on to say “making sure that we are managing our debt levels and our spending levels is one way we can make sure we have a resilient economy”.

Woah who wrote those words of wisdom for her (she sure didn’t figure that out herself – it’s not the language she is accustomed to using) and how come Labour didn’t campaign last election like that? Instead they were over promising spending by billions of dollars!

The Labour Party are like someone that is broke but wins the $1 million Lotto draw, spends it all like crazy within 6 months making those around them feel good, then suddenly realises when down to their last few dollars that they need to tell everyone around them they will have to reign in spending and not to expect too much in the way of handouts, oh and they’d like to “tax” back some of that money they gave away (all the while not telling people how really broke they are! And run Women’s Weekly type air-headed distractions for the masses)!
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May 1, 2018 8:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Lends to the Labour parties favourite expression.
  “Perception is reality” (ie lying is ok, if you get away with it)
  On the one hand they are spending money like drunken sailors
  But on the other, they are TELLING us how important it is to be fiscally responsible.
  Where as National were ACTUALLY fiscally responsible.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:29am
  - jcuk
    
    But if National had done a little bit more in a financially responible manner they would still be Govt.
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:59am
- stigie
  
  Yes but this was all because of the mismanagement of the last nine years !!~
  Steven Joyce was way out with his figure of 11.7 billion.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So pleased I haven’t had my sarcasm monitor removed.
    
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    May 1, 2018 1:20pm
MrLovebucket

Yesterday the PM make clear just how stupid and inexperienced she is.

Of course fuel companies are going to organise their products and prices to suit the market. This is perfectly fine and is called Market Economics. The price is set by what the market is prepared to pay. I expect them to do this. What would be wrong would be if BP were colluding with the competition to set the price and this is not the case.

If BP charge too much in a particular market, customers will go to the competition.

Does she now expect that AirNZ charge exactly the same fare for every passenger on the same Wgtn-Auckland flight? Or how about the one 2 hours later?

Supermarkets will offer some goods below cost in a bid to attract customers. The loss is covered by the profit they make on other items. This is standard business practice. Will this be banned?

Just shows how little you know when you’ve only worked in a small fish and chip shop. Can we please have someone who knows what they are doing back running the country again PLEASE!!
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May 1, 2018 8:45am
- niggly
  
  Road Transport Forum’s Ken Shirley interviewed this morning saying Petrol companies likely to increase (“spread”) regional petrol prices to other areas in order to smoothen out the Auckland city boundary petrol/tax increases.
  
  In other words, Labour has no f**king idea about how the market operates and unintended consequences (as more and more people including more low income people across the country are also hit by rising petrol prices “spreading” due to Labour’s & Auckland city council imposed petrol taxes etc).
  
  Labour, with Greens and Winston First – making dumb policy calls and increasing poverdy to the masses since October 2017 🙁
  
  Short summary (first news item):
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/digital_bulletin/story/2018642907/latest-rnz-news-bulletin
  
  Full interview:
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018642898/auckland-fuel-tax-flawed-trucking-industry
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:56am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    The big hits won’t go on private drivers, they can modify their behaviour.
    Companies that operate, particularly within the Auckland fuel tax limit, will be impacted heavilly.
    Taxi’s, transport, concrete deliveries etc etc
    This ill mean that there will be a different inflationary impact on Auckland, than the rest of the country, even if individuals do “modify their behaviour.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:46am
  - Piniwi
    
    Thanks niggly for the link and it was indeed staggering though not surprising to hear Shirley say “there will likely be some price spreading throughout the country of the regional fuel tax.” It would seem the legislation is again a very loosely structured COL type act that might see some corrections in the committee stages.
    It has yet to be returned from Select Committee for it’s second reading so it has to go a fair way to become law.
    The understanding was that the opportunity was there for other regions to introduce it in their regions but never considered that it would be possible for oil companies to collect outside the district. Or as Shirley said spread it across their other outlets. From what he said there seems to be problems with purchases outside being consumed inside and that which is being purchased inside being consumed outside the boundary.
    Perhaps we will need to wait for the fat lady to sing before this is locked in.
    
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    May 1, 2018 7:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Just wait until she discovers ‘Loss Leaders’ in Supermarkets!
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:00am
  - RalphT
    
    Yes, put our dear leader in a supermarket and hope that she gets lost.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:14am
  - Nev.
    
    Or that fuel in Eketahuna is 15c a litre more expensive than in Masterton, 30 kilometers up the road.
    It’s not a unique situation.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:15am
    - graham
      
      Not unique at all … in Silverdale, north of Auckland, there is a BP that is consistently priced 15c or so LESS than other petrol stations in the area, simply because there is a Gull very close by.
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:47am
      - KevOB
        
        That can be fixed; all petrol stations should be state owned with a uniform price through NZ. Prices to be set daily by a feelingz indicator at the Beehive.
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:08am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        I live nearby, but I drive to work through Rosedale, as there are two Gull stations in the area, and the price of petrol is always between 6 to 10 cents a litre cheaper than anywhere else on the shore, and that is at all stations, not just Gull
        
        Then I use the AA Smartfuel Card, and I usually try to tank on a Wednesday, as the smartfuel discount is 10c a litre then. But I accumulate, and only fill in $40.00 transactions. It usually takes me about 6 or 7 weeks to accumulate a large enough discount to put 50 litres of diesel in to my ute for no cost. The last time I did this I put $68.00 in to my ute, and the bill was $0.00.
        
        I can do this about 7 or 8 times a year. When the new petrol taxes come in, I can probably do it 9 or 10 times a year, as I will accumulate discounts faster, as I will go through $40.00 fills much quicker.
        
        That will be saving me in excess of $500.00 a year in gas.
        
        Get a Smartfuel Card, it’s worth it!!
        
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        May 1, 2018 10:31am
  - Harkman
    
    Yesterday at Paknsave, the bigger Kelloggs and Wheetbix boxes were cheaper than the smaller ones. That’ll have to be regulated, lol.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:17am
  - oldgolfer
    
    ”In here. Now. What is it with these specials? Loss leaders? Don’t give me that. I want uniform pricing, across the land…”
    ”But -”
    ”Don’t ‘but’ me, son.
    (Door closes, loudly)
    ”Oi, come back here. (voice fades) Come back here…”
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:22am
Left Right and Centre

Breaking news – general debate has just obtained this leaked footage as PM Ardern and partner choose baby names . . .
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May 1, 2018 8:50am
- niggly
  
  Good grief, even that “blonde” has more intelligence than the PM Select – at least that “blonde” did it all herself without being told what to do by other puppet masters (H1/H2/WP/Greenpeace)!
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:07am
  - noskire
    
    The “blonde” is Rachel Riley, a mathematics graduate, among other things. And 8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown is frickin’ hilarious.
    
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    May 1, 2018 12:01pm
Harkman

Last night Phil (of shit) Twyford called Bridges a liar. Going by everything Twyford said in opposition, Phil is the original master liar, he is the Harvey Weinstein of political liars, there is nobody in NZ politics that has said so many lies. Comical.
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May 1, 2018 9:02am
- niggly
  
  Quite right, mind you he does have competition from the likes of David Clark, Claire Curran, Megan Woods and Cindy herself etc.
  
  Which one will win the ultimate prize of being “Labour’s Biggest Liar”?!!!
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:09am
  - Harkman
    
    “Labour’s Biggest Liar”
    Sounds like a TV show but isn’t “The Biggest Loser” a description of the Labour party list?
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:11am
    - niggly
      
      That would be a ratings winner! Perhaps it could replace Family Feud before the 6pm news (and get their news ratings up? Win-win)!
      
      As well, perhaps NZ on Air should fund a NZ version of this! It seems to be where the NZ Labour Party is stealing their ideas from!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbl6CY6c8zo
      
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      May 1, 2018 9:20am
      - niggly
        
        But wait there’s more – its Jacinda’s old boss!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F8HwVcqH8g
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:29am
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s a close race between David “shit running down the walls” Clark and Cindy “no new taxes” Ardern.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:31am
- Poppa
  
  I think you will find the PM would run him close
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:11am
Harkman

I saw Duncan Garner’s column in the Press last Saturday. This is actually to the left of Chris Trotter’s weekly nonsense.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/103427303/Governments-six-months-in-a-leaky-boat-captain-overboard

“4. National left a dog
Labour needs to keep telling the world National left its own billion-dollar hole in the form of woefully underfunded social services and promises to build roads that had no funding attached. Repeat and repeat again.”

What? Ever heard of the Rockstar economy?

Conclusion, Duncan Garner’s is a jackarse.
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May 1, 2018 9:10am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I mean she’s 37, about to become a mother and, if we’re honest, she’s only herself learning to be a leader after being thrust into the prime minister’s job leading a pile of misfits to the promised land.
  
  About that time Clarke was thrust into the prime minister – well done Mr virility . . .
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:20am
- oldgolfer
  
  Yes, and a gobby one at that.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:25am
- Jack5
  
  Harkman, I fear you are being satirical bringing up the Sydney banking loon’s description of NZ’s economy as “rock star”.
  
  The facts: We rank as 47th nation in the world in GDP per capita, and in “real growth” GDP, NZ is 94th.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:14pm
softail 1450

One of us KB folk are going to have to volunteer to be the one to go around to septicboys house kick the door in ,push him out of his wheelchair and confiscate his mouth pointer so he cant keep posting 60 or more times a day of contrary shite ,FFS.
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May 1, 2018 9:41am
- Awww C-mon
  
  The contrary shit is annoying but acceptable,
  
  It’s the racist, sexist, bullying and uncalled-for insinuating that are the issue.
  
  I am tempted to add offensive speech, but we must accept being offended, and perhaps DPF is just being true to his freedom of expression values by not kicking Stephie-head to touch for the shit he says, but fuck me the rubber will meet the road sooner or later…
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:00am
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    Awww C.mon,
    
    yet another half-wit award for you,
    
    https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/512706738806861552/
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:26am
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      Ya got an uptick for that stephie-student!
      
      Humour! at last!
      
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      May 1, 2018 10:35am
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    But stephie makes everyone on here look so smart.
    
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    May 1, 2018 5:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  softail1450,
  
  standing on your head yoga style didn’t go well at wake up time?
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:23am
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    Yeah, that one didn’t work did it…
    
    Better than yesterdays efforts though
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:36am
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    septicboy ,W T F ……?????? im guessing you have been pushed out of your wheelchair goatboy..
    
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    May 1, 2018 2:45pm
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NEW ZEALAND CONSTRUCTION CONFIDENCE COLLAPSES …

A review of things you need to know before you go home on Monday; business confidence falls, preferring local, more mobile trader fines, debt growth lower, deposit growth higher, swaps flatten, NZD stable | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/93464/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-monday-business-confidence-falls-preferring-local

… extract …

UNHAPPY BUILDERS

Low business confidence is not going away. Some had thought it would revert back higher to pre-election levels as consumer confidence did, but in fact it is consumer confidence that is moving – down. Today’s ANZ-Roy Morgan survey results point to further weakness. A net -23% of businesses are pessimistic about the year ahead, down -3 points from March. All sectors are in the red, with services the least pessimistic and agriculture the most. Agriculture did manage a small gain on March, but construction plummeted to its lowest level since 2008. Firms’ views of their own activity (which has the stronger correlation with GDP growth), eased from +22 to +18. Manufacturing and agriculture lifted; construction fell a startling -38 points.

https://www.anz.co.nz/resources/9/0/9017e2e1-56a4-4f3f-ad89-7d3a64f2a7b9/ANZ_Business_Outlook_20180430.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

… extract …

… The construction sector stood out this month. In short: its confidence plummeted; own activity plunged; employment indicators were mixed; expected profitability plunged to the lowest level since 2009; pricing intentions eased; investment recovered; capacity utilisation was unremarkable; residential construction intentions fell to the lowest since mid-2015; commercial construction intentions fell 4 points but are still higher than November; perceived ease of credit continues to recover but remains negative. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/macro-afternoon-398/#comment-3096118 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/links-1-may-2018/#comment-3096120
  
  A New Type Of Poverty Is Crushing The Middle Class | Zero Hedge
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-30/new-type-poverty-crushing-middle-class
  
  As if the current global monetary system didn’t put the middle-class at a structural disadvantage versus the wealthy, by taxing them disproportionately with inflation, encouraging dissaving and taxing labor (ordinary income) much higher than capital (long-term gains), we now find out that the middle class has a new reason they’re being pushed into poverty: banks are willingly trying to put them there.
  
  In a report by the Sydney Morning Herald, the newspaper notes that more middle-class Australians are being pushed into poverty. The simple explanation why this is happening: Australian banks are trying to figure out exactly how much they can charge customers before pushing them into poverty; to do this they are using a formula which incorporates a poverty index to calculate the last marginal dollar of disposable income that the middle class has for fees and charges.
  
  Here’s more: … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  There’s a new type of poverty hurting the middle class … Sydney Morning Herald
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/new-type-of-poverty-hurting-middle-class-20180426-p4zbsl.html
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:46am
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    … ARTIFICALLY HIGH LENDING MULTIPLES ARE THE BIG PROBLEM …
    
    Note within Interest Co NZ interview below, new Reserve Bank of New Zealand Governor Adrian Orr perspectives on the Australia Banking Royal Commission…
    
    RBNZ Governor says differences between deposit insurance & minimum deposit not frozen in OBR scenario are ‘technicalities’, NZ banks searching for ‘skeletons’ against backdrop of Aussie Royal Commission | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/news/93422/new-rbnz-governor-adrian-orr-says-differences-between-deposit-insurance-obr-de-minimis
    
    It is high multiple lending that is THE major problem.
    
    That’s what Central Bank of Ireland research found … leading to its Debt To Income (DTI) general cap of 3.5 times annual household income (a year earlier the Bank of England had imposed a general cap of 4.5 times) …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3092390 … and …
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nab-tightens-loan-income-limits/#comment-3052010 (extensive further postings on both threads) …
    
    There is in excess of $NZ500 billion of bubble value in the New Zealand housing market … north of $A3 trillion in the Australian one.
    
    That’s way higher than the overall multiples reached in the Irish metros back in 2007 … refer Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys Schedule … http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm .
    
    I have no doubt the lending multiples in New Zealand have been just as irresponsible as in Australia … with doctored applications as well … particularly 8.8 Median Multiple Auckland and 8.9 Median Multiple Tauranga …
    
    Dysfunctional housing markets (due to local governments losing control of their costs … and the capacity to meet its infrastructure responsibilities and cope with normal growth) inevitably create dysfunctional banking / finance sectors.
    
    Isn’t it well past time they woke up about this ?
    
    Focus on restoring ‘normal’ housing markets … where housing is at or below 3.0 times annual household incomes (Median Multiple) … requiring sensible lending multiple of about 2.5 times.
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:36am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Despite immigration pullback, NZ housing shortage worsens – MacroBusiness Australia … note Pavletich comments on thread …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/despite-immigration-pullback-nz-housing-shortage-worsens/#comment-3096331
      
      By Leith van Onselen
      
      New Zealand’s chronic housing shortage continues to worsen, especially in Auckland, despite dwelling consents continuing to rise, according to Statistics New Zealand.
      
      There were 11,192 dwelling consents issued across Auckland in the year to March (up 9.7%), and 31,392 consents issued across New Zealand over the year (up 2.5%): … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      May 1, 2018 12:12pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The scale of New Zealand’s infrastructure deficit is ‘massive’ and can’t be fixed without billions of dollars of private capital – Jason Walls takes a look at how the Government plans to woo investors | interest.co.nz
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/05/despite-immigration-pullback-nz-housing-shortage-worsens/#comment-3096584 … with extensive further postings …
        
        … Long overdue structural changes for new housing finally underway … Budget May 2018 …
        
        The scale of New Zealand’s infrastructure deficit is ‘massive’ and can’t be fixed without billions of dollars of private capital – Jason Walls takes a look at how the Government plans to woo investors | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/93445/scale-new-zealand%E2%80%99s-infrastructure-deficit-massive-and-cant-be-fixed-without-billions
        
        By Jason Walls
        
        “New Zealand is open for business,” Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones declared to some of the country’s top transport officials last month.
        
        With his trademark swagger and flair for the theatrical, he left the stage after just three minutes.
        
        Jones had done what he needed to do – alert would be investors the Government is looking for infrastructure investment partners.
        
        The message he sent was clear: without private capital and large-scale investment, New Zealand’s infrastructure deficit cannot be repaired.
        
        Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Transport and Housing Minister Phil Twyford have both said as much in recent weeks.
        
        Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern highlighted the extent of the problem. It’s so bad, she claims, that the Budget’s primary focus will be repairing the deficit.
        
        But her comments were not news to Infrastructure New Zealand chief executive Stephen Selwood, who describes the issue as “massive.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        https://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        … extract …
        
        Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
        
        … The government urgently needs to reverse the collapse in construction industry confidence … fast …
        
        A review of things you need to know before you go home on Monday; business confidence falls, preferring local, more mobile trader fines, debt growth lower, deposit growth higher, swaps flatten, NZD stable | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/93464/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-monday-business-confidence-falls-preferring-local
        
        … extract …
        
        UNHAPPY BUILDERS
        
        Low business confidence is not going away. Some had thought it would revert back higher to pre-election levels as consumer confidence did, but in fact it is consumer confidence that is moving – down. Today’s ANZ-Roy Morgan survey results point to further weakness. A net -23% of businesses are pessimistic about the year ahead, down -3 points from March. All sectors are in the red, with services the least pessimistic and agriculture the most. Agriculture did manage a small gain on March, but construction plummeted to its lowest level since 2008. Firms’ views of their own activity (which has the stronger correlation with GDP growth), eased from +22 to +18. Manufacturing and agriculture lifted; construction fell a startling -38 points. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 1, 2018 5:28pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Sydney and Melbourne property hit hardest by royal commission: CoreLogic – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-01/sydney-melbourne-housing-property-market-royal-commission/9713738
        
        The fallout from the banking royal commission and APRA’s stricter lending policies will see Sydney and Melbourne markets hit hardest, according to property analytics firm CoreLogic.
        
        “Credit policies aren’t likely to be relaxed,” said CoreLogic’s head of research Tim Lawless.
        
        “Borrowers who could have borrowed money for housing finance six months ago will find it more challenging, especially if they want interest-only loans, or are buying for investment purposes.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Sydney and Melbourne house prices set to fall further as lenders tighten regulations after taking a beating at banking royal commission … Daily Mail
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5676585/How-banking-royal-commission-hit-Sydney-Melbourne-property-markets-hardest.html
        
        Australia Home Prices Fall for Seventh Month, Led by Big Cities – Bloomberg
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-01/australia-home-prices-fall-for-seventh-month-led-by-big-cities
        
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        May 1, 2018 9:30pm
- Harkman
  
  Sorry Hugh, you promoted this mob, you have to own them for the next 3 years. The buyers remorse defense won’t cut it here.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:47am
Left Right and Centre

The Press have conducted some serious market research and decided to change their physical product. Reader feedback determined that smaller pages offer far more convenience to rip into loo roll size strips.
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May 1, 2018 9:56am
- oldgolfer
  
  So successful is the market research that I have just been told of a gent who has been buying The Press for 50 years, but will be cancelling today.
  Another Stuff up.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah but it’s the ink that bothers me, get rid of brown stains on yer bum but get black streaks instead.
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:46pm
jcuk

On 9 to Noon this morning I heard an enthusiastic guy suggest that having a caliphont was a good way to go for water heating….. REALLY? when is seven years the NZ supply will be finished and prices will go up and up for imported stuff?
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May 1, 2018 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Bottled gas will be available then from a) Parliament; b) penned cows.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:15am
- Lance
  
  Bottled gas is already more expensive than electricity to heat water. Reticulated gas is still competitive but not for long thanks to the mindless virtual signalers running (ruining) NZ
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:05am
JasonJohns

The world just learned that “Catholic” actress Brooke Shields is the proud mother of a new baby girl. For a long time infertility problems made it impossible for her and her husband to conceive, and after many failed attempts to conceive naturally she resorted to the technological solution: in vitro fertilization (IVF). Now she is pictured on the covers of glamorous magazines with a smiling beautiful baby girl, but some have questioned her decision to use IVF. I am one of them. Was this star wrong to have a “test tube” baby?

Yes. Dead wrong.

While recognizing the pain of infertile couples and their natural desire to have a child, the Church reminds us that childbearing is a natural end of marriage, but it is not a guarantee. In the course of my ministry, I have met so many couples who were not blessed with children and humbly accepted this reality by offering their marriage for another generous end such as adoption or fostering children. I have also known couples who solved a fertility problem by prayer – yes, prayer! God is not limited by natural barriers to conception: He just wants us to find our happiness in His Will. Some couples seek happiness in something that is not overtly the Will of God and are willing to tempt God to achieve it. Brooke Shields and her husband could have humbly accepted their situation and become the national advocates for adoption instead of IVF, but they chose instead to tell God that they were going to have a child at any cost. This is both immoral and dangerous.

The very first in vitro baby, Louise Brown, was born in 1978. She was perfectly “normal” in every way except that she had a different origin than all other human beings at the time: she was conceived in a laboratory not in a womb. Her mother’s egg and her father’s sperm were united in a Petri dish, and after that the human embryo was implanted in the mother’s womb resulting in Louise’s birth nine months later. Louise is now a young woman and hopefully living a normal life, but her creation in a Petri dish caused the Church to look more carefully at how technology impacts human reproduction.

We need to be clear that for the Church the baby is not the problem. Babies are never problems, they are gifts. Rather, it is the procedure used to produce the baby that is the problem. Think of it: this poor girl was conceived in a Petri dish! And in case you are wondering: yes, God did give her a soul in the Petri dish. God’s creative love is not limited by human immorality; He just wishes that we would do it His way. In God’s plan no human being should ever be created in a laboratory. He has given us the perfect environment in which to come into being; namely, marriage. The couples’ cooperation in God’s creative act is called “pro-creation” as if to emphasize that the one Creator has allowed human beings to participate in so sublime an act. The institution of marriage itself was intended by Him to be the perfect matrix of life, and all technological intrusion into this sacred space for reasons other than health is a sin.
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May 1, 2018 10:08am
- Kimbo
  
  And that ~~public service announcement~~ troll was brought you by the Thomas Aquinas Society for the propagation of Aristotelianism.
  
  As always, JJ, love your work. But what happened to the scheduled military coup on Anzac Day?
  
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  May 1, 2018 2:06pm
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Why is the fertilization procedure in itself immoral? Doctors “create” multiple embryos at one time in order to increase the chances of success of implantation. Normally dozens of embryos are created and never used. These littlest human beings are then frozen or destroyed. The success rate of the in vitro process is abysmally low: only 4 percent of all the embryos created ever see the light of day as a newborn baby. Human beings, no matter how small, should never be the subject of sloppy high school science projects.

Even when a child often does result from an IVF procedure, the travesty of having to create, freeze or destroy so many of that baby’s brothers and sisters is morally reprehensible. One baby created at the expense of dozens of others is a macabre tradeoff. Our Church stands squarely on the side of the dignity of the human person, and we can be grateful that the Church does not hesitate to speak out-oftentimes in the face of fierce criticism, in defense of the innocent from unprincipled actions.

Brooke Shields’ baby is a precious, beautiful child, but I am afraid that the procedure her mom and dad used to bring her into existence is an advertisement, not for famous designer jeans, but for designer babies. Immorality dressed up as technology is still immorality.

Recently I had the pleasure of meeting a couple who were asked to use in vitro fertilization (IVF) as a solution to their very real infertility problem, and they chose not to use it. They did not reject it because of its exorbitant cost, although that in itself was prohibitive; they rejected it as a matter of conscience and principle. The practice of IVF is unfortunately so common nowadays that they were ridiculed by the doctor for their moral scruples and made to feel as if something were wrong with them. But they had many good reasons to go against IVF.

As mentioned in my previous column about IVF, the immorality of the procedure consists primarily in the destruction of the multiple extra embryos that are created in a laboratory along with the one or two that successfully come to birth. There are an average of 24 embryos destroyed or frozen in order for one IVF baby to be born. The moral principle violated by this procedure is the most fundamental of all moral tenets: one can never do an evil in order that good may come of it. Here, the sacrifice of the 24 babies in order to get one or two to grow into healthy children is so wrong that it overrides the infertile couple’s right to have a child. The couple I met was aware of that moral principle and could not in conscience participate in such an act.
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May 1, 2018 10:09am
- dime
  
  geez dude, there would be a lot less white babies in the world without IVF – i cant imagine that would appeal to you.
  
  the poor girl was created in a lab? who gives a shit?
  
  “hey chick, are you happy to be alive? or wish you were never created cause you spent 5 days in a lab before going back inside your mum?”
  
  dozen of eggs wasted? i dont think that is factually correct. maybe a couple if youre lucky
  
  i know a ton of people who have been through it. some have come up short but what a GOD SEND ivf is.
  
  sorry if it doesnt fit your moral/ religious code but bad luck.
  
  i feel pity for those who are so into being a catholic they go through life without kids when they have a really good chance through science. brutal.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:52am
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    JasonJohns, you’re preaching the view of Rome on IVF.
    
    It’s a source that’s also been against contraception and abortion (even in the case of rape). It’s hogwash. Medieval theology stuck in the past.
    
    Might as well ban sexual intercourse because in each case only one spermatozoon lives (vicariously) through the fertilized egg, while 100 million other spermatozoa die.
    
    This is from a Catholic web site:
    
    One reproductive technology which the Church has clearly and unequivocally judged to be immoral is in vitro fertilization or IVF. Unfortunately, most Catholics are not aware of the Church’s teaching, do not know that IVF is immoral, and some have used it in attempting to have children. If a couple is unaware that the procedure is immoral, they are not subjectively guilty of sin.
    
    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/reproductive-technology/begotten-not-made-a-catholic-view-of-reproductive-technology.cfm
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:42am
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  May 1, 2018 3:14pm
- holysheet
  
  You god botherers are truely fucked in the head. If everything on earth is a direct inordination from your sky fairy, following your stupid logic, then ivf must be okay in your sky fairies world. If not, why not?
  
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  May 1, 2018 4:06pm
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    Hey! Do you mind?! As per my post above, don’t confuse us Protestant God botherers with the Roman Catholic obsession with pagan Greek Aristotelian philosophy and ethics. ?
    
    https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-aristotle-won-the-west
    
    http://archives.eternitybiblecollege.com/2012/07/19/how-aristotle-messed-up-the-church/
    
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    May 1, 2018 4:13pm
Anne Glen Eden

I don’t have a very sophisticated understanding of economics but I don’t see how any Labour voter could possibly be deluding themselves that Labour is either ‘honest’ or helping ‘the poor’. Barry Soper seems to have woken up a little.

“…the Automobile Association, have argued for yonks that the 15 per cent GST take shouldn’t apply to petrol with the solid argument that, when it’s applied to the 70 cents a litre excise portion of what we pay at the pump, it’s nothing more than a tax on a tax. It’s plain and simple double-dipping.”

Aucklanders have it the worst with the new excise fuel tax and the regional fuel tax – all of it attracting gst. Then there’s the toll roads proposed – those taxes attract gst as well. All of that is going to boost prices of goods across society.

Apart from any others I don’t know about, there’s GST on internet goods under $400 coming in as well. That also will boost the price of goods across society. Retailers are celebrating higher profits – of course they are. It’s not helping the people though.

Guess who it’s all going to hurt the most? The poor, the less well-off.

If you think about feudal times, the serfs had to pay tax on their crops. These days, you pay tax on the ‘crops’ and tax on the tax on the ‘crops’. And for all this ‘payment’, there is no increased ‘product’ or ‘productivity’ – just taking more money off citizens, specifically those who can least afford it.

While you’re at it, you ‘grow’ the economy by just bringing in more people, boosting intensive living and traffic woes in Auckland, and then say you have to tax them more to provide services – which you don’t.

Transport costs will rise extremely as the oil/gas ban takes more effect.

Green spaces in Auckland are being taken to provide smaller, cheaper accommodation – or the same more expensive accommodation which is a balloted lottery rather than going to anyone on the basis of need.

They’re pushing public transport which takes hugely longer, is riskier in terms of personal safety (e.g. walking in the dark), and more expensive – according to Newshub. Both effects much worse for those living further out in cheaper areas of Auckland.

You’d be hard pressed to find any government which has been, and continues to be, more blatantly dishonest and ruinous to ‘the struggling’.
Neither do I see how ‘modern society’ can successfully continue in this sort of vein which is ruinous to its citizens.
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May 1, 2018 10:29am
RF

Presuming that our American embassy reports any interesting comments about their administration back in the states you can bet your last dollar that all the commie chicks comments land on Trumps desk.

We used to be close best friends with the USA and it would be interesting to know what our status is now.

This morning Mike Hosking asked our Airhead PM is she thought Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his involvement with bringing North & South Korea together. She spluttered about the answer and made it obvious what she thought of that.

She was then asked if there had been any progress with the trade restrictions concerning steel etc. the answer was no.

Mike said it will never happen.

The commie will regret bad mouthing Trump a few months ago.
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May 1, 2018 10:30am
- Harkman
  
  And the other thing is Scott Brown is actually really close with Trump (which we should normally be delighted with as the Ambassador to NZ) and you can bet that right after she lied about him confusing her with Trudeau, Brown would’ve been straight on the phone to Trump to tell him.
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:44am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Unfortunately no she won’t regret it.
  She will justify it and put it in her memoirs in 20 years time.
  It’s us who will be left to regret it.
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:57am
Jack5

State-owned Radio NZ is living up to its deal with the 21-station Maori tribal radio network, also financed by the Government.

On the Radio NZ site is an article highlighting colonial “atrocities” against Taranaki Maori.

You won’t read or hear much from Radio NZ about the darker side of Maori history: brutal tribal wars, cannibalism, slavery, head trading, and murder of settler families.

The bias seems to stem from the infamous deal between Radio NZ and the tribal stations network – Te Whakaruruhau O Nga Reo Irirangi Maori. This was signed (during a National Government) by Wily Willie Jackson, the Labour list MP who is now Minister of Employment and Associate Minister for Maori Development.

Pioneer pakeha politician assessed as racist murderer:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/black-sheep/story/2018642754/honest-murderer-the-story-of-john-bryce

The tribal deal with Radio NZ:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/312240/rnz-signs-partnership-with-te-whakaruruhau
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May 1, 2018 10:38am
JasonJohns

John Bryce was the hero who defeated the violent rebels at Parihaka, after leading an armed party through the jaws of that pa. Of course Jack5 he should be commemorated by RNZ.
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May 1, 2018 10:42am
- Jack5
  
  The Parihaka pacifists wouldn’t be related to the Taranaki Maori who spread goodwill and love in the Chathams a decade or two earlier, would they Jason Johns?
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:12am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Exactly Jack5. The violence was still in their blood, even if they played at pacifism. Hence it was necessary to destroy Parihaka. Bryce was waging race war. Of course some innocents were victims. He was reprimanded by the pussilamous Anglican church for slaying a small groups of children outside the fortfications of his town. In a race war one takes no prisoners. Bryce was the sort of white patriots we need today in NZ
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:23am
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      ah yes this is the incident rnz is complaining about
      sounds like surafend, another target for historical revisionists who forget that in a race war one takes no prisoners
      
      In November 1868 troops from the cavalry, led by Bryce, encountered a group of ‘Hauhau’, who proved to be unarmed children – boys 10 or 12 years old – out chasing pigs and geese near William Handley’s woolshed on the Nukumaru flats. The troop charged the boys, killing two and wounding others. The commanding officer reported that Lieutenant Bryce was ‘prominent and set the men a gallant example’.
      
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      May 1, 2018 11:31am
      - Jack5
        
        Surafend? Eh, that’s a well known topic from another Kiwiblog poster. Folk put up the same answers, that it wasn’t just NZ mounted troops who killed the Arabs, that the troops were provoked by an Arab thief stabbing to death a soldier, that the troops soon after saved hundreds of Turkish surrendering Turks from being massacred by the Arabs. Water off the duck-poster’s back.
        
        But what’s your source for the Bryce incident in the Taranaki wars, Jason?
        
        I suppose we should allow some oral history, like this account of the gentle pacifism of Taranaki Maori:
        
        https://moriorigenocides.weebly.com/the-genocide.html
        
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        May 1, 2018 11:55am
Fletch

In case you missed the little snippet on the morning news, Israeli PM Netanyahu says they have 50,000 documents proving that Iran is still developing nuclear weapons and did not abandon their programme. They have handed over said documents to the U.S.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claims to have intelligence reports proving that Iran was definitely pursuing nuclear weapons prior to the 2015 Iranian nuclear accord, despite Tehran’s long-held claim that its nuclear program was purely for peaceful energy purposes.

Speaking from Israel’s ministry of defense in Tel Aviv on Monday, Mr. Netanyahu said that he has “secret” files exposing Iran’s covert pursuit of nuclear weapons and showing that Iranian authorities for years lied to the international community.

Mr. Netanyahu specifically claimed that Israeli intelligence had obtained some 55,000 pages of evidence and digital files consisting of “incriminating documents, incriminating charts, incriminating presentations, incriminating blueprints, incriminating photos, incriminating videos and more.”

The files “conclusively prove that Iran was brazenly lying when it said it never had a nuclear weapons program,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/30/netanyahu-says-israel-obtained-half-ton-documents-/

Was anyone, other than Obama, stupid enough to really think they’d abandon their nukes programme?

You can watch Netanyahu’s presentation here –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qBt4tSCALA

ps, the U.S has confirmed the report.
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May 1, 2018 10:49am
- Kimbo
  
  Anyone asked Mordecai Vanunu, who spent 18 years in prison for revealing Israel’s nuclear capability to the world, for his comment about the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East? ?
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu
  
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  May 1, 2018 2:13pm
alex Masterley

OK Auckland citizens, the council wants feedback, an oxymoron I know, on its transport plan.
It behoves Auckland rate payers to give feedback supporting or opposing the plan.
If you don’t you can’t complain about what happens.
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May 1, 2018 10:54am
- calendar girl
  
  The left-leaning Auckland Council claims; virtuously:
  
  “A Regional Fuel Tax, unlike any rating option, ensures that those who use the transport system more will pay more for the additional transport investment.”
  
  At the same time, Auckland Council installs obtrusive new cycle-ways all over the City (but fails to mention any concept of a ‘user-pays’ tax on cyclists).
  
  A new tax for motorists, but a “free ride” for cyclists.
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:58pm
  - Fletch
    
    Because in the mind of a liberal, bikes are more clean and green and the unwashed masses should bike or take public transport. It’s better for the environment if only our leaders get chauffeured around in limos.
    
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    May 1, 2018 3:01pm
kowtow

Where England goes……

‘A local butcher was told to mind his language by police after posting a variety of risque signs to advertise the meat on offer, despite no one complaining.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/30/butcher-told-police-take-saucy-signs-even-though-no-one-complained/
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May 1, 2018 11:03am
- GoVege
  
  That’s a pity. ..but at least he got some free advertising… 🙂
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:33pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is this anything like those awful “You just can’t beat the Mad Butcher’s meat” ads that the local ZB station carried a couple of years ago…?
  
  (Can’t get the stupid thing out of my head…)
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:52pm
Odakyu-sen

What do you do when “full and final compensation” is seen by certain political groups to be insufficient, and old wounds are opened?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/30/national/statue-forced-korean-laborers-may-placed-near-japanese-consulate-busan/#.WuehZqSFOUk

For how many generations must the sons pay for the crimes of their fathers?
ROK is now a sovereign nation, and the perpetrators of these crimes are all but dead. I think it is up to their children to build new ties of friendship and cooperation.
Using the crimes of 70+ years ago for political gain is not constructive.
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May 1, 2018 11:12am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes.
  
  I lived in Argentina at the time of the military’s campaign of terror against the desaparecidos and Chile’s Marxist government and its subsequent overthrow.
  
  When I went back a couple of years ago I talked to people who had families on both sides and I was absolutely amazed at the way the ordinary people seemed to have healed those wounds. It may not have been 100% love and light for everybody…. but from the HUGE majority I got the sentiment of forgiveness and the determination to let byegones be byegones and never again repeat the same mistakes.
  
  It proved to me that it is possible to move on.
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:21am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “… the determination to let byegones be byegones and never again repeat the same mistakes.”
    
    I think this is the key message. Learning from the mistakes of the past and working to prevent them from repeating.
    
    All the more painful to see the rise of pro-totalitarian groups in society (assisted by the State in some cases, and the cowardice of local authorities to do anything about it). Has society learned nothing?
    
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    May 1, 2018 11:34am
- Komata
  
  Odakyu-sen
  
  Re: ‘For how many generations must the sons pay for the crimes of their fathers?’
  
  Substitute ‘New Zealand Maori’ for ‘Koreans’ and you will see that the answer is actually ‘All of them; every single one, in perpetuity and forever.’
  
  It’s known as ‘The Treaty of Waitangi’ (aka ‘The gift that never stops giving’).
  
  I thought that, having lived here for a while, you’d know that by now… 🙂
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:52am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Komata,
    
    I see you can sense the similarities between the “purveyors of victimhood” in Korean (and the Philippines) (this stature thing is not isolated) and their counterparts in New Zealand. I was waiting for someone to point that out.
    
    Guess what. Japan doesn’t do “guilt”. (It does “regret” instead.)
    
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    May 1, 2018 12:48pm
    - kowtow
      
      As if on cue.
      
      ‘Inspector Hurimoana Dennis – that was his title until he retired in April this year – was the police national Māori strategic adviser. He had the job of selling the police’s Māori strategy, known as Turning of the Tide, to the troops.
      
      Dennis used the policy in his defence last year when he was charged and subsequently acquitted of kidnapping. He had tried to keep a 17-year-old boy out of an underage sexual relationship with a 15-year old girl.
      
      He believed the Turning of the Tide was an approved Māori framework he could use to apply tikanga Māori (Māori lore) to policing, to his own actions when dealing with the teenage boy.
      
      “The Turning of the Tide gave me a lot of confidence, not to the point where it was arrogant, but confidence in that ‘well we’ve been asked to look at alternative pathways, here is one that will work’.”
      
      There can only be one law , one standard for everyone , race must have nothing to do with it.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103137846/police-politics-and-race-the-long-and-anguished-tale-of-the-constabularys-relationship-with-maori
      
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      May 1, 2018 1:27pm
    - Komata
      
      Odakyu-sen
      
      Thank you. I agree that Japan doesn’t do ‘guilt’ but equally it seems to be remarkably selective in its ‘apologies’; the ‘Comfort women’ episode comes to mind…
      
      Evidently those in power believe local politics is more important than recognition of past wrongs, although given Japan’s view of Korean’s that is not too surprising. Sad, but not surprising.
      
      The advancing ages of the ladies concerned means that, given time, death will of course solve the problem…
      
      Perhaps that is what is being banked on; it certainly appears to be the case.
      
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      May 1, 2018 3:12pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        You apologize when you believe the other party will take your apology in good faith and not come after you for compensation.
        
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        May 1, 2018 5:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Full and final? The South Island White Murri Tribe is on it’s fifth. It will never end , until we have a Chinese/ Indian majority here , they’ll not put up with the scam.
  
  ‘The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:41pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “It will never end , until we have a Chinese/ Indian majority here…”
    
    kowtow,
    I am doing my bit for the cause, my friend… (Even though I am neither Chinese nor Indian.)
    
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    May 1, 2018 12:50pm
UpandComer

Yesterday Kiwiblog reached what in my view is a false consensus on Alfie Evans. So I’m re adding my comments made late last night.
Alfie has no brain function therefore he’s in no physical pain.

> But we can’t let Alfie live – it would cause him too much physical pain.

> If Alfie stays on a ventilator it deprives someone else of that ventilator

> No he can’t go to use a ventilator in Italy, because, because he’d be in too much pain.

The English government murdered a little white boy and then sent armed police to the homes of people who protested the murder on social media.

On the day of his murder, Alfie was alert and responsive, breathing unassisted.

I’m sure all the judges, like Kimbo, thought they were fighting against unenlightened primitive sentimentality.

After all, it’s not for parents to decide anything about their children. It’s for the state.

Oh says Kimbo, what about abusive parents?

Which implies that extension of life of a child in no pain is abuse. Which is utterly retarded.

This was murder, enforced by a police state, that would not have been committed against a muslim baby.

Lets just quickly communicate the salient elements for Kimbo, since he’s so schmart he’s a simpleton:

Vis v vis Alfie

– no pain
– no cost to the British state
– non-abusive parents (unless abuse means the prolongation of pain-free life, which is absurd)
– child with inherent value

Ah, and that’s the crux. So because Alfie cant grow up to be a schmarty boy like Kimbo, his life has no value.

No value, except to his family, to God, and to billions of people looking on at Humanist debauched savagery and quickly assigning the United Kingdom to the scrap-heap of uncivilized nations.

no cost
no pain
no abuse
Inherent value
no business of the government.

All his parents wanted to do was send him to Italy so he could die in a nation where he would still be granted worth even if he couldn’t grow up to be a sneering Humanist.

That’s even assuming the care he was receiving was sufficient.

Who would know, but what we do know is that the Italian medical professionals will never be allowed to look.

Because Alfie was silenced by the degenerates.

Who cares about those Rotherham working class scouse slags still getting raped. I mean, it’s not like they’re going to grow up to work at Citibank, just like Alfie. So who cares.

It’s the same thing. It honestly is. Which is why England is heading for a very dark time. They are going to be euthanising the disabled in our lifetime.
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May 1, 2018 11:13am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  That is an extraordinary, completely deluded and irrational, rant.
  
  Alfie had a terminal neurological disease that destroyed his brain, over a period of 16 months, and which eventually killed him.
  
  His life was not ‘being extended’. His body was being unnaturally forced to keep breathing and circulating blood – in fact, forced to keep deteriorating to enable his parents (and a few others) to ‘feel better’.
  
  You have no idea what he was experiencing internally, being unable to communicate and actually not having an age with sufficient concepts or skills to communicate much anyway. Anyone who has seen children (or animals) chronically exposed to ongoing serious pain knows they often do not respond to it overtly because it’s ‘normal’.
  
  If you think it’s justifiable to, basically, keep a ‘dead’ person in a perpetual state of forced ‘life’ by machines, just who should be ‘allowed to die’? Or is this ageist, sexist, racist …..?
  
  Adult problems, like grief, are adult problems. There’s no reason why Alfie should have to deal with them or pay the cost of them. The life he was born with was gone, in entirety. What you’re suggesting is macabre – almost ghoulish.
  
  His life, like all lives, was precious – and over – far too precious to be used and abused to satisfy the ideologies or unreality of some adults. He’s with God now – where he can really live, forever.
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:43pm
  - UpandComer
    
    > I don’t have an idea what Alfie was experiencing internally
    > Implying that I, Anne Glen Eden, do, unassailably know, what Alfie was experiencing internally.
    
    You know how I know what you’re saying is a bad argument?
    
    Because those magnificent medical professionals at Merseyside assured us all that Alfie wasn’t suffering any pain. That’s why all the people protesting so ‘violently’ were idiotic primitive sentimentalists. So opps, looks like a critical component of the judicial and media narrative about Alfie Evans precludes you from your argument.
    
    Alfie wasn’t suffering pain, so trying to save him from Merseyside to take him to Italy was primitive sentimentality, as it would serve no purpose – remember idiot?
    
    ‘Dead’ doesn’t mean what you say it means.
    
    Dead doesn’t mean reduced brain function. Otherwise people with severe dementia are ‘dead’.
    
    Dead means ‘not alive’. It’s not for you, fake Christian, to determine what death means.
    
    Your feelings have no bearing on the objective elements of this murder.
    
    Lol I think it’s justifiable for parents who aren’t abusing their child to have the right to choose where and when he dies. Not the state. The state can go fuck itself.
    
    It’s not for the state to determine that prolongation of infant life at parental behest absent cost and absent pain for the child is child abuse.
    
    Alfie would have died eventually, but he could have had more influence and more value as a symbol of goodness and truth then most of us every are lucky enough to experience.
    
    It’s not for the state to send armed police to arrest individuals criticising them on social media.
    
    The life Alfie was born with was ‘gone’ when the government murdered Alfie for no reason.
    
    Alfie presented, with respect to the state:
    
    No cost
    No abuse
    No pain, and therefore no objectively determinable quality justifying an evaluation of reduced quality of life.
    
    How can someone lacking cognizance form a relative judgement that their quality of life has reduced?
    
    That doesn’t mean Alfie’s life didn’t mean everything to his parents, to billions of people watching in horror as he was murdered by the British police state, and to God.
    
    But they killed him anyway.
    
    Are you to stupid to understand just how egregious the British state’s encroachment on the rights of individuals was here?
    
    There wasn’t even a fucking cost to the state for Alfie’s maintenance. There was no ‘pain’ to even fabricate to justify intervention along the lines that Kimbo would advocate for, i.e when parents DENY medical care. There was no abuse.
    
    What do you think is going to happen when any one of those three elements IS present, in any sense, and parents don’t want their kid murdered. It won’t matter how valid the sense is. If the state can murder a kid absent pain, cost or parental abuse, how do you think it will go murdering kids where one of those elements is present? Sorry mate, have to take your kid off you. You not wanting it to cut it’s dick off is abusive, causing pain, and will cost the state.
    
    Just idiocy.
    
    Killing is non-violent.
    Pain free life is violence.
    Free speech is free if you can choose to say something, but then you will be arrested for saying it – because you had the choice to say it.
    
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    May 1, 2018 2:30pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      I’ll answer you just to give you someone to ‘yell’ at, because obviously you’re in pain and very disturbed.
      
      I can think of several examples where doctors say people ‘aren’t in pain’ and/or are ‘peaceful’ – like on morphine. I can tell you from experience, on morphine I suffer horrible nightmares. Doctors tend to say babies can’t dream either. But I’ve seen an abused baby who would wake herself up screaming every time she fell asleep and the only thing that eventually helped her was to ‘treat’ her as having nightmares.
      
      You never know what is happening to someone else internally, especially because you can never wholly share someone else’s formative experience(s) let alone current ones.
      
      “The hallmark of dementia is the inability to carry out everyday activities as a consequence of diminished cognitive (thinking) ability.”
      
      Disrupted cognitive ability does not necessarily (or until latter stages of dementia) imply destruction of the brain stem – “in charge of all the functions your body needs to stay alive, like breathing air, digesting food, and circulating blood.”
      
      “Mechanical support (a breathing machine) keeps oxygen going to the organs …. The machine is not keeping the patient alive (brain death is irreversible and is legally and medically recognized as death)….”
      
      Alfie’s brain could no longer support life and what little was left was certain to continue to deteriorate.
      
      I’m not even going to get into the costs – medical, legal, social…
      
      “Alfie would have died eventually, but he could have had more influence and more value as a symbol of goodness and truth then most of us ever are lucky enough to experience.”
      
      I cannot possibly imagine where you would get that idea from. It’s bizarre. What ‘influence’? Causing hatred, violence, derision, anxiety et al in a whole range of people? What ‘goodness and truth’? Pretending he was alive when he wasn’t?
      
      Who ascribed this role to an innocent baby who never had a choice? His parents? You? You wanted Alfie kept artificially breathing as a ‘living noble victim’ to fixate on. The ultimate ‘victim’ – the truly ‘dead’ but eternally ‘preserved’ baby. The ultimate progression from the body parts of dead saints to an artificially ‘living’ baby as a religious relic is what it sounds like. It’s grotesque -a form of idol worship.
      
      The only influence keeping a dead body alive – especially a baby – on machines has on me is to confirm just how narcissistic, disturbed, and unstable the world has become.
      
      There is no way that I see anything ‘Christian’ in it and I can’t imagine why you think God would approve of it. His idea is to get to Heaven, not lie in suspended animation here.
      
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      May 1, 2018 3:24pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Everything you’ve said is irrelevant stupid copypasta. Thank God my denomination doesn’t have female priests.
        
        The kid was still breathing. His autonomic system was intact. His limbic system was intact. He was sensate. His cerebral cortex was severely eroded and the disease was allegedly advancing. What of it.
        
        The fundamental issue is who decides whether a terminal child not being abused, not in pain, not costing the state should die.
        
        I think it’s the family.
        
        You think it’s the state.
        
        You aren’t Christian.
        
        You can’t abstract the kid into an icon or theological object. His life still had meaning and a chapter remaining.
        
        I apologise for my statement about female priests.
        
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        May 1, 2018 3:38pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        UpandComer, while I don’t think it will be a surprise to anyone say I’ve spent a life not fitting into other people’s pigeon-holes, it sounds like we share the same theoretical ‘denomination’.
        
        Alfie stopped breathing. God’s choice, not the State’s. The State decided his body should not be kept artificially functioning with machines.
        
        I love the way you say he wasn’t ‘abused’ though. Perhaps if he really was completely insensate and mentally absent, God had mercy.
        
        Because I can’t think of anything worse than suffocating and being ‘resuscitated’ – several times – as he was being by his parents (when his lips turned blue) and they gave him mouth to mouth.
        As far as I’m concerned, it was very possibly torturing him – and I doubt any adult would be grateful for it in that circumstance.
        
        I think the family should always be the source of appropriate and responsible decisions for children. But where that fails, the State has to maintain an appropriate standard of care, especially for the most vulnerable.
        
        Alfie had the right to die. I’d prefer it had been far more peaceful than he had to endure.
        
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        May 1, 2018 3:54pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Lol you aren’t Christian. ‘The right to die’. Are you for real? Just a barrage of feels.
        
        He wasn’t already dead you ingrate.
        
        Ah well. No female priests for sure. Apologies.
        
        Think about how stupid your statement is.
        
        Death = care.
        
        Even absent pain. There wasn’t even the euthanasia sophistry.
        
        Well you’ve been relegated along with England as a whole. You’re a dunce. The worst kind. The sincere well meaning vapid dunce.
        
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        May 1, 2018 4:01pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        Well, UpandComer, would you really like it to happen to you?
        
        When you know you’re terminally ill, in the last few hours when you can’t breathe anymore, do you want someone to resuscitate you over and over again? Mouth to mouth?
        
        To experience every last second of ‘life’. Telling you how ‘precious’ your life is and that they don’t want to let you go. I don’t think so. Go and ask those in hospices if they’d like it. They would think you a monster.
        
        Yes, there can be a ‘right’, or perhaps more, desire to die. Revelation describes the frustration of not being able to do so:
        
        “And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.”
        
        There wasn’t any need for ‘euthanasia sophistry’. It isn’t about ‘death = care’. It’s about letting nature take its inevitable immediate course which couldn’t be prevented by anyone at some point in the imminent future.
        
        He stopped breathing naturally.
        
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        May 1, 2018 4:41pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Indeed, he was kept alive by machine. When the artificial breathing machine was removed, he died. We can all be kept artificially alive with a breathing machine, and how ridiculous would that be. A relation was kept alive by machine in order for his organs to be harvested to give life to others. When they turned off the machine he could not breath by himself, if you can’t breath you “die”, simple fact.
    (He couldn’t eat either).
    
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    May 1, 2018 3:15pm
    - UpandComer
      
      He lasted 4 days. Again, it’s not the fricken states job to kill people where these is no economic or equitable justification.
      
      He would have died. But he wasn’t dead yet. He was murdered to prevent him from dying later.
      
      Fucking ridiculous. Islam is the last section of the west with any dignity.
      
      Let it burn.
      
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      May 1, 2018 4:08pm
Monique Watson

Walked the dog. A good time for reflection. More reasons why we’re seeing a one term Government:
7. Anyone who voted NZ First to play devils advocate or they were just sick of the same old faces is going to feel duped and head back to voting National. National was already 200,000 votes ahead of Labour at the last election. And coupled with the drift from Greens, this would suggest that National will pick up that extra seat or two by voters determined to end the debacle that is this Government.

8.At least two of the four seats that Labour gained will be swing voters who will swing right back to National if the misery of extra taxes and high inflation sets in before 2020.

9. 2 of the 4 trade deals looming not counting Russia (Suspended) won’t eventuate. More bad press for Labour. The voters in the know will want to hand back the process to National.

10. It will become more and more obvious that it isn’t a Labour led Government. It’s a Greens/National First led.

11. Watch Grant Robertson closely at his press conferences. He looks like he’s chewing a dead rat. If the highly intellectual Finance Minister is wondering what the fuck is going on then the rest of New Zealand won’t be far behind.

12. A pregnant Socialist is still a Socialist no matter how nicely she smiles. People will get sick of her flinging around other peoples money. Where Helen Clark got turfed on the intrusion on personal liberties, Jacinda will get turfed on alienating business and the lack of protection of personal liberties by fucking up in the Justice arena.

And if she bangs on about New Zealand becoming a Republic she’ll alienate some swing voters. New Zealand has quite the fondness for Old Blighty. And it’s not a bad thing. NZ is a small nation adrift in the Ocean. We need all the alliances under whatever guise with the Western Superpowers. It’s imperative we remain part of the Commonwealth with the Queen the Head of State as this gives us bargaining power with the UK that we might not otherwise enjoy.
Lange and Palmer made such a bollocks job of New Zealand’s relationship with the U.S. It’s taking generations to repair with suspicion on both sides. We don’t want another economic divorce on our hands.
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May 1, 2018 11:15am
- Justitia
  
  Yes, this is a “government” chosen by a leader of a party with 7% of the vote whose policies are determined by another party which achieved even less support and which is not even a member of the coalition. This is not democracy, it is a coup unfolding.
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  I’m not one for paranoia or conspiracy theories but I am convinced this Marxist revolution being perpetrated on NZ by this appointed government is a co-ordinated attack throughout the western world. Professor Jordan Peterson says the basis of this ideology was set in motion 40 years ago.
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:00pm
  - Justitia
    
    Post modernist neo-Marxism? No you’re not being paranoid waikatogirl. Its long march through our educational system, media and government over the past 40 years has gone unchallenged. New Zealand was easy pickings.
    
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    May 1, 2018 1:31pm
UpandComer

What is the function of a human being?

To fetch utils?

Let’s say Alfie lived a few more years at ‘allegedly’ 30% brain function in Italy, and became a figure of veneration and a symbol of the enduring inherent value of life – like Pope John Paul II when he was a vegetable at the end of his life.

What function would that serve. Would that ‘function’ be sufficient to justify Alfie’s parents keeping their boy away from murdering doctor Kevorkians and Mengeles?

To me that seems like a pretty good function. After all, as we keep getting told, Alfie couldn’t feel pain. So he wouldn’t have been in any pain. Just not dead.

It’s not for you to determine.

You need to outright say it – the painless prolongation of infant life is now abuse.
Abuse which justifies the government stopping you from taking your baby where you want for it to die.

This is what they’ll say when preventing your kid cutting it’s dick off is considered a mental illness.

This is why they ban guns in England. The government would not do this if every white man in England possessed an AR 15. They wouldn’t have killed a Muslim baby.

Not committing that late term abortion is abuse.

Not euthanizing subject 0234523 is abuse.

Not allowing that infants gender expression is abuse.

Christian education is abuse.

Conservative thought is abuse.

They have no ‘function’.

Ah yes, in Big Rock Candy Mountain where up is down and you have to go forwards to go back, saving life is ‘violent’.
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May 1, 2018 11:16am
Manolo

The lying mullahs:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/pm-expected-to-reveal-how-iran-cheated-world-on-nuke-program-1.6045300

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu revealed a cache of documents he says proves Iran lied to the world about its nuclear program for years, even after the 2015 nuclear deal with the world.

“Iran did not come clean about its nuclear program,” Netanyahu said in a prime time address in English. Iran, for its part, blasted the speech as “propaganda.”
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May 1, 2018 11:29am
- Fletch
  
  Netanyahu gives a complete Powerpoint presentation showing the overview of what was in the files they recovered. It’s pretty convincing. No way they would go to the length of fabricating all this stuff.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qBt4tSCALA
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:11pm
UpandComer

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-30/new-type-poverty-crushing-middle-class

The Australian banks need to be covered in wet toilet paper. Here’s what they did. They determined what lending fees to charge the middle class based on what would take the client below to the Henderson Poverty Index. The Henderson Poverty Index is a 1972 measure for determining substantive, not relative, poverty.

Okay?

So the Ozzie banks were charging middle class, and only middle class, clients fees, high enough to force the borrower to the Henderson Poverty Index.

The banks finely calculated the household income they could take that would get customers under the Henderson Poverty Index.

Hint, lending on the basis of how much fees can you charge to get your client below a substantive poverty index from 1972 isn’t prudential. It isn’t sound risk analysis, is it.

ARPA knew this 7 years ago, and did nothing.

The Liberals have egg on their stupid leftist faces. The Royal Commission was entirely justified. Those banksters should have their assets stripped and they should be thrown into prison.

This isn’t a right left issue. The banks are fucking over their shareholders and their clients, and indeed everyone except for themselves and their own fat pockets.

The bankster bastards have managed to create sovereign risk for the system, and default risk for their own clients, all at the same time.

After they got bailed out.

This is why a new paradigm is needed. You can be right wing and still against private gains socialised losses and bankster scum pillaging the people.
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May 1, 2018 11:31am
GoVege

Something amazing happened yesterday.
I’ve lived in South Auckland for 26 years and have never received a call from one of those outfits asking me how I would vote.
I’ve waited all this time and I thought….it’s never gonna happen.
Yesterday it finally did!
I picked up the phone and was invited to answer some questions on how I would vote, etc.
(Thank goodness I was visiting mum in the eastern suburbs at the time!) 🙂 🙂
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May 1, 2018 11:33am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Me too, on North Shore. Getting busy, aren’t they?
  
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  May 1, 2018 2:19pm
MrLovebucket

What happened to “No new taxes” ?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/gst-coming-to-online-purchases.html
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May 1, 2018 11:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Is this GHW Bush in disguise?
  Are we to read her lips too?
  
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  May 1, 2018 11:59am
- stigie
  
  “What happened to “No new taxes” ?”
  
  Yeah well Sweet Cheeks is on record saying this coming surplus wont be as big as we thought due to the mismanagement over the last nine years !~
  Im not sure he can go home to Alf at night and lie straight in bed..?
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:04pm
- lifesgood
  
  It’s not coming in until October 2019 so I imagine there will be a massive purchasing of overseas goods before then. Small retailers will suffer even more and, I’m sorry, but it serves them right. NZers have been price gouged long enough. We pay way more for anything than overseas consumers because we are a captive market. It’s sickening.
  
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  May 1, 2018 12:20pm
UpandComer

Lol I don’t want to be the resident angry man. So, I hope everyone has a good day. Highlanders again this year.
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May 1, 2018 12:11pm
cmm

I see an up-and-coming drug kingpin has had his career destroyed.

His sweet face kept him out of jail though :-(.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12042374

Judith Collins is right. It takes a lot to get locked up.
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May 1, 2018 12:29pm
- MrTips
  
  He should have been made to consume, on the spot, every single morsel of drugs found in his room.
  
  Nasty little shit. What he did takes some pretty serious thought and premeditation.
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:08pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    He’s probably been told all his life he is special. Such a good boy.
    
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    May 1, 2018 4:36pm
GoVege

Just been up to the airport.
The petrol there is $2.17’9 at all the stations.
A mile away it’s only $1.99.
This ripping off of tourists needs to stop!!
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May 1, 2018 12:43pm
- Que Sera Sera
  
  Ripping of the tourists is a damn site worse in all our tourist hot spots.
  Like over $20.00 for three ice creams for the grand kids.
  The business owners don’t give a stuff, and then complain when shit happens, like the Kaikoura earthquakes.
  We lived through it all, but have had the sense to move away.
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:27pm
- kowtow
  
  Try Wanaka, fucking disgraceful.
  
  “A recent Stuff survey found filling your vehicle with 91 octane fuel in Wanaka cost an astonishing 38 cents more than a BP in Mt Wellington, Auckland.
  
  On average Wanaka motorists paid about 30c more than Auckland, those in Queenstown pay 23c more, in Cromwell it is 20c more and in Alexandra it is 16c more.
  
  Automobile Association communications manager Liam Baldwin said the prices all came down to a lack of competition.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/97152304
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:41pm
  - cmm
    
    Costs quite a bit to truck it all the way from Dunners (if thet’s were it comes from) to Wanaka. Of course it is going to cost more.
    
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    May 1, 2018 4:10pm
  - Lance
    
    To most NZers that’s a bit like complaining Porsche replacement keys are really expensive.
    
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    May 1, 2018 5:17pm
- Happychappy
  
  Wait until the Governments Fuel Tax cuts in you then can talk about being ripped off. Vegetables, Dairy products, and most other products used in the kitchen will rise including the things to keep you clean and healthy without mentioning luxuries. So these tourist will get ripped off there also and are you calling for your government to stop that to.
  
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  May 1, 2018 1:54pm
  - Que Sera Sera
    
    So Happy, what is your answer to funding roads and other infrastructure ?
    Logic please without Politics ?
    
    Because, no matter what political party was/is to be in power, funding is required.
    
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    May 1, 2018 2:18pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Mostly what the Nats were already doing without destroying the country.
      
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      May 1, 2018 2:27pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        Like doing the planning without the funding being in place ?
        Is that what you mean ?
        
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        May 1, 2018 2:48pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Public/private projects were getting the job done under National without the taxpayer footing the whole cost. But such a common sense solution is ruled out by the CoL.
        
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        May 1, 2018 4:41pm
    - UpandComer
      
      User pays. But not to build worthless light rail that will blow out.
      
      Sydney light rail construction is frozen for years because of latent conditions that the government didn’t tell the European contractor about.
      
      The government can do nothing. It can’t exercise step in rights, because no one else has the capabilities and that will blow out the cost even more.
      
      It can tote up liquidated damages all it likes, the Europeans won’t pay it, or they’ll set it off against their damages for breach of warranty to reveal latent conditions.
      
      Sydney light rail is shorter and less complex then Auckland light rail.
      
      Taxes are legit if the government can prove they will use the money wisely and justly. Labour never do.
      
      So Labour deserve everything they get.
      
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      May 1, 2018 2:51pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        Maybe you can supply the solutions to the Auckland traffic woes ?
        
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        May 1, 2018 3:18pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Much cheaper extension of existing hard rail. Nationals Roads, and honesty about the cost of light rail, and major expenditure on pre mobilisation surveying to find all the nasty surprises. Paid for by user pays, rates, and a growing National economy. There is nothing wrong inherently with light rail. But Labour’s costings and timings and network capabilities estimates are ridiculous. Just check all my election posts. If they’re going to do light rail, do it right and be honest about the cost.
        
        All three in combination would be best. But we’re just getting light rail.
        
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        May 1, 2018 3:27pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “All three in combination would be best. But we’re just getting light rail.”
        
        Plus cycle ways. Net result increased congestion and pollution.
        
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        May 1, 2018 3:58pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        “Maybe you can supply the solutions to the Auckland traffic woes ?”
        
        Toll roads would be great!
        
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        May 1, 2018 4:43pm
      - KevOB
        
        Govts cannot do as they please–kings have paid the ultimate penalty for that. Expenditure which would be a reckless breach of a duty of care by company directors against its creditors and shareholders is not excusable.
        
        A govt likewise has a duty of care by virtue of its office. It can never have a mandate for careless behaviour. It is not supreme above all law.
        
        Ideology cannot rule–the duty of care overrides that. There is an obligation for full investigation before decisions of major consequence are made. Doing due diligence through rose coloured spectacles is not permissible either. Proper diligence is required if the duty of care is not to be breached.
        
        For a govt that may mean multiple consultations and independent reports. Some matters may be decided at a general election which could not otherwise be proceeded on. The people properly informed beforehand can give their assent. Without the mandate of an election govts are bound to stick closely to the prudent conduct expected by the people.
        
        The economics of a tram from Auckland City to the Airport is highly doubtful to any accountant even on a cursory appraisal.
        Why should the country pay for such a folly?
        
        Killing off a major future source of local energy also requires economic justification.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:01pm
    - Happychappy
      
      So what you are saying all NZ’ers should have to pay for Auckland traffic woes. Why should people around NZ pay extra for freight prices that will happen with this tax and also pay for previous Auckland Mayors poor administration and Financial decisions.
      
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      May 1, 2018 5:12pm
Jack5

What will the next job be for our race czar, Dame Devoid.

Perhaps she might get work in Hong Kong:

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2144105/two-faces-hong-kong-incredible-kindness-and-outright
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May 1, 2018 3:00pm
- UpandComer
  
  I should be the race relations commissioner. Me and Jason John’s and EAD the triumvirate.
  
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  May 1, 2018 3:17pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Haha UpandComer – just because one wants the best for their own people, does not make one a “racist”, “nazi” as the MSM would so happily paint us. I see myself more a European Civil Rights activist concerned about the future of my people.
    
    People really need to understand that these things that have been happening in the west, – mass immigration, anti-white hate speech laws, anarcho-tyrannical big brother nanny states etc. – were motivated by anti-white hatred, by people who hate us and want to destroy Europe Civilisation.
    
    Modernity, with its trinkets and gadgets and luxury, has succeeded very well in concealing the bestial tribal nature of humanity, but it’s present everywhere except in most of the brainwashed West.
    
    We didn’t mysteriously decide to start destroying our own countries – these things originated in outside groups. It is imperative for us to understand the true motivations and reasons for all of this, so that we can understand how it is we will get our people to start standing up for themselves.
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2018/04/because-they-hate-us.html?m=0
    
    In the words of David Duke – “I don’t consider myself a racist, I don’t hate other peoples, but I certainly want to preserve my own. And I think that’s true of all people.
    
    As for America and the rest of European world, I want to live in a nation that reflects my traditions and values, and I do not want my people to become a minority in the nations my own forefathers built. Interestingly, that is same goal that most Israelis and most Jews who support Israel endorse for the Jewish state.”
    
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    May 1, 2018 4:31pm
    - UpandComer
      
      See EAD gets it.
      
      Lol EAD go and read some Ron Unz, then what Theodore Beale said. Then John Isher. I think Jason Johns is requesting a breakdown.
      
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      May 1, 2018 4:39pm
      - UpandComer
        
        But also EAD best not quote David Duke bro lol. Quote pretty much anyone but not Duke. He’s done some bad things. Read Ron Keeva Unz.
        
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        May 1, 2018 4:54pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        But quoting from the Duke triggers the likes of Mikemild 🙂
        
        In any case – I just point them to a list of Duke quotes and say to them “which one of these do you find offensive and why” which normally shuts them up….
        
        http://www.azquotes.com/author/4182-David_Duke?p=2
        
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        May 1, 2018 5:29pm
Komata

Speaking of ‘Outrageous’

Where’s Penny and what is the latest development in her cause/ case?

Thanks.
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May 1, 2018 3:18pm
- graham
  
  Komata, all I can tell you is what Penny has posted on her Facebook page. The last update that I can see was on the 28th of April:
  
  Auckland Council have filed a Notice of Opposition and supporting Affidavit to my Interim Injunction Application.
  
  The hearing date for the Interim Injunction has yet to be set.
  
  I have until Wednesday 2 May to file further submissions and Auckland Council have until Monday 7 May to respond.
  
  The hearing date will be set as soon as possible after that.
  
  I imagine somebody else will be able to comment in far more detail.
  
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  May 1, 2018 4:31pm
virtualmark

For the thoughtful among you, I highly recommend this recent NY Times op-ed from General Michael Hayden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/28/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-intelligence.html
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May 1, 2018 3:22pm
- Ross12
  
  He does not say anything about what Comey, Brennan and Clapper have done to ruin the intelligence community’s reputation.
  
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  May 1, 2018 3:53pm
softail 1450

O M G, i just watched kiritapu allan in the house trying to do her JFK thing ,FFS this lady is as thick as pigshit .
i know that parliament should be filled with normal people that reflect the general populace but fricking hell surely they must have to pass some test of their intellect to be in that place.
im a reasonably with it person but absolutely recognise that id probably be unable to contribute in that stinking place , maybe kiritapu should have considered her position before embarrassing herself as she did today. FFS.
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May 1, 2018 3:29pm
- niggly
  
  What did she do?
  
  She always struck me as being another precious type, so typical of the modern left.
  
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  May 1, 2018 4:18pm
- KevOB
  
  There are more like her too–most haven’t had speaking rights.
  Without the test of being voted in by an electorate anyone can be selected. Facing an electorate sorts potential MP’s out.
  
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  May 1, 2018 6:00pm
rangitoto

Bill English joins the board of the ASX listed company Wesfarmers, which owns Bunnings, Kmart and Officeworks. Imagine how many Australian companies are waiting for Taxinda “capitalism has failed” Taxardern’s skills to become available to their boards.
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May 1, 2018 4:39pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yep, that’s a 50 billion $ company.
  Can anyone imagine a retired Liarbore politician being shoulder-tapped for such a role?
  Nope, neither can I.
  
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  May 1, 2018 7:20pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  You should se the vile from the lefty losers in the comments on stuff. I am beginning to hate the left and their vicious nasty diatribes. What a bunch of fucktards. We see a few deranged ones here but stuff sure has a few with chips on their shoulders. Can’t imagine how one loves a person who is so totally miserable. And yet they breed so not all is impossible….
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:51pm
stigie

Im pleased the questions on oil and gas in parliament today got the government rattled on a number of issues especially,…. when was the industry told about the ban and was there a cost analysis done.
Cindy had a very angry face on and trying to obfuscate around the question only to blame the last government over the last 9 years.
Fucking pathetic really !~
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May 1, 2018 5:39pm
waikatogirl

“It’s not a new tax but it is going to cost you more”
– no lies Cindy is at it again.
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May 1, 2018 5:40pm
realityczech

Shout out to you know who….

Eating Meat Causes Toxic Masculinity & Patriarchy- Tucker vs Feminist Professor
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May 1, 2018 5:51pm
- nasska
  
  Let’s face it. There’s no scientific evidence to suggest that any vegan ‘male’ has ever had a hard on. 🙂
  
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  May 1, 2018 6:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    Veganism is really just chicks virtue signalling. The vegan guys are little wimps playing along to try and get laid. Pathetic.
    
    Look at how stressed, contrived and miserable the vegan guys look. They are constantly putting on an act to try and get female approval.
    
    Bitches be crazy. The worst thing a guy can do is play along with them.
    
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    May 1, 2018 6:08pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      They like metros with beards – carpet munching
      
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      May 1, 2018 6:26pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The vegan chicks get pregnant by cucumbers?
    
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    May 1, 2018 6:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Fuck my head hurts again
  
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  May 1, 2018 6:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I feel a bit sorry for the Canterbury farmer who is being vilified for clearing a rare native shrub off his land.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/canterbury-farmer-taken-court-after-clearing-rare-shrub-his-land

DoC published a Recovery plan for Muehlenbeckia astonii in June 2000.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/Documents/science-and-technical/tsrp31.pdf
They and F&B have had over 20 years in which they could have:
(1) purchased some of the land the shrub grew on,
or
(2) organised a QE2 covenant over the land,
or
(3) got off their chuff and informed the new owner of the land, that there was a rare shrub on his land.
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May 1, 2018 6:13pm
- realityczech
  
  Yes that struck me too. Surely it could have been approached in a much more constructive way.
  
  The guy was just legally farming his salty little strip of land. Now he is being dragged through expensive legal proceedings.
  
  I personally see it as an abuse of legal process.
  
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  May 1, 2018 6:31pm
  - KevOB
    
    Forest & Turd.
    
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    May 1, 2018 7:12pm
- Jack5
  
  Would it have been possible to have taken a few samples and planted them somewhere safer?
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Muehlenbeckia astonii is in cultivation.
    
    Over the last 30 years or so it has become a very fashionable landscaping shrub for exposed/coastal sites.
    https://www.kauriparknurseries.co.nz/plants/muehlenbeckia-astonii/
    Most of the coastal sites where it is now found have a relict population only… few plants and often no seedlings…
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:46pm
realityczech

Jacinda Ardern was on a date with another man when she first met Clarke Gayford

What a skank ❗

Credit where it is due, at least this female Labour leader likes cock. The skinny little bag of bones appears reasonably red blooded in spite of her being infected with communism. However that will change as she ages and becomes a man hater once her looks fade.
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May 1, 2018 6:17pm
- Jack5
  
  The red exclamation mark of Kea returns …. like Zorro’s Z.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:59pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Yes, it’s finally here. This year I’m going for female vocalists.

First up is Jenny Morris from Crocodiles with Tears. Observant watchers will spot the late great Bruno Laurence on drums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh01Rv6Z-28
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May 1, 2018 6:18pm
- realityczech
  
  “Observant watchers”
  
  NECRO (JEWISH GANGSTERS) – “TOUGH JEW / RABBI HOLDING GUNS”
  
  “Hitler was a homosexual cock sucking dick blower”
  
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  May 1, 2018 6:28pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Ok, so due to your personal psychological disorder that demands you have to be the centre of attention, a low boredom threshold and the cyber-version of Tourette’s Syndrome, you’ve decided to hit the self-destruct button. Anything I can do to hasten your impending self-induced immolation at the hands of David Farrar’s supension button? Tell us some more about your obsession with posting the graphic of child molestation…
    
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    May 1, 2018 6:37pm
    - realityczech
      
      That was a link to a famous Jewish rapper. What on earth are you on about?
      
      And as for the other… write to the Rabbi with your concerns. He knows how to deal with your sort and had a lot to say about your type.
      
      You seem to be very triggered by Jews expressing themselves. It is a pattern. Anti Semite I’m guessing.
      
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      May 1, 2018 6:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Anything more you’ld like to say about Jacinda Ardern’s love life? You jealous? They are both consenting adults. Given the topic you’re obsessed with posting about, there are doubts that either “consenting” or “adults” applies to the partners you choose and/or groom.
        
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        May 1, 2018 6:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        You mean the topic where you have hysterically and frantically attacked the messenger in an increasingly alarming way?
        
        My link was a story by a Rabbi, on a site frequently pointing out Muslim sex crimes… and rightfully so!
        
        https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
        
        That is what triggered you. Manolo reminds us daily of Muslim wrongs. But he is honest. He is not two faced. Be like Manolo.
        
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        May 1, 2018 6:50pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Still can’t open that link. Again, care to copy and paste for Kiwiblog’s edification, there’s a good chap?
        
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        May 1, 2018 6:54pm
      - Nev.
        
        Is he a famous Kiwi Jewish rapper? If not, fuck off with your thread jacking. I enjoy NZ music month with Brigette.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, as sick as it is, that’s not likely the sort of “jacking” realityczech really gets off on. Never noticed he’s obsessed with child molestation and long complicated justifications and protestations about his repeated need to do so in graphic detail. “I’m only doing it to point out the hypocrisy…” Yeah, right! ?
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:29pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Tell us some more about your obsession with posting the graphic of child molestation”…..
      
      DPF’s blog & DPF’s rules but if the child molestation happened then it should be out in the open.
      
      Face facts: Religion gives opportunity & shelter to paedophiles. Catholic, Muslim & Jew.
      
      …..”a low boredom threshold”…..
      
      What’s possibly wrong with that? 🙂
      
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      May 1, 2018 6:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeah, but realityczech / felching straw seems to get off on the graphic details. So I can understand why DPF doesn’t want to provide a platform for a suspected sicko to get his potentially illegal thrills.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        nasska, it is the double standard (as always ) that pisses me off. 99% of my comments are powered by annoyance at hypocrisy.
        
        Across all religions the main issue is the targeting of those who speak out about this stuff. Exactly what we are seeing here on KB. Note he won’t attack those speaking out about Muslim pedos.
        
        It is a common story that even the kids parents side with the religion if the abused kid speaks out. That is one of the most damaging and hurtful psychological impacts on the victims. Even their own parents do what Kimbo is doing.
        
        He could have said nothing, or just remarked it was wrong. Instead he has not condemned the disgusting acts and instead has launched an ongoing dishonest attack against me.
        
        Why?…. Religion
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:04pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”a platform for a suspected sicko to get his thrills”…..
        
        If that was the case I’d go along with you but I don’t think it is. I’d prefer that RC spent more time in pointing out the sickness endemic in all religion but if what he emphasises is fact then it deserves our condemnation.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Not like you to be so forgetful, nasska, especially the honourable fallen and absent:
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_07_march_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2156242
        
        So, nah, I’m guessing realityczech/ felching straw just uses the religion thing – which doesn’t apply to AgentBallSack anyway – as a useful vehicle on which to project his own self-loathing. And just like someone who knows how to groom and manipulate, he knows the anti-religion thing will help unwittingly rope you in on the distraction. Like taking…or should that be giving?…candy to a child.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I’d prefer that RC spent more time in pointing out the sickness endemic in all religion”
        
        I do. But it only ever gets noticed if I mention that particular religion.
        
        The common theme is that the enablers protect the religion not the victim.
        
        I am not especially against Jews and have said so many times. I actually prefer them over the other dreadful Abrahamic religions. The only reason I e even mention them is the appalling and disgraceful double standards and special pleading they invoke in people. All morality and reason is lost.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:16pm
      - nasska
        
        So you think I’m easily led Kimbo! 🙂
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:22pm
      - Nev.
        
        Kea/RC assumes anyone disagreeing with its pogrom tacitly approves of child abuse, that’s what I don’t like about its posts.
        Ballsack stupidly engaged in a flame war with a retard and paid the price. I would hate to see my good mate Kimbo do the same. It wont be long until the parrot that shits a lot once again flies to close to the sun and gets burned, Let them squawk, shit and self immolate.
        Nev.
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        No. Just surprised you prioritise your need to bash religion – and good luck to ya, and you can and indeed do do it with anyone and everyone else when the occasion allows – over a good guy like AgentBallSack.
        
        Thanks Nev. I’d like to think I know where the boundary is, but if I go down, it’ll be worth it if I take the proverbial dead parrot with me. ?
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:34pm
      - nasska
        
        Ballsack’s a good bugger Kimbo but he flies a little close to the sun on occasions.
        
        He’ll be back & I hope he sticks around for a while next time. 🙂
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Kimbo and Co have failed to mention the numerous threats of violence against me that they have made.
        
        Usually this is an instant banning. Classy work guys.
        
        Still not a single critical word about the child rapists….
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:43pm
      - Nev.
        
        At RC, some people just have a punchable face. Maybe try not squinting when you post
        
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        May 1, 2018 7:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Hitler was a homosexual cock sucking dick blower”
    
    Lotta Nazi lovers here tonight judging by the down ticks. Or old farts who did not listen to the actual song.
    
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    May 1, 2018 7:46pm
EAD_TWO

New York Times celebrates Karl Marx’s 200th birthday with the headline – Happy Birthday, Karl Marx. You Were Right

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/karl-marx-at-200-influence.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur

Let’s recall the immortal words of Nobel Prize winning author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

“Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

Just what were the New York Times Jewish Publisher Arthur Sulzberger and Jewish Opinion Editor James Bennet thinking when they decided to run that opinion piece?
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May 1, 2018 6:46pm
- mikewasmild
  
  You don’t think that Marx was an important and influential philosopher?
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:05pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Judging by the downticks, we must have a lot of Bolsheviks here on Kiwiblog.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:05pm
  - Jack5
    
    Remember, EAD, the Nazis were socialists.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:29pm
Left Right and Centre

I’ve got an idea – let’s run along the Avon from Hagley to Kilmore and back. That’ll be cool – everyone loves some water.

*Dumbest* idea any human ever had – hahahaha

Cones – fences – cones – dead-ends – sorry, closed – closed – barriers – closed – coned walkways on road – follow detour – cones – trucks blocking everything – fences – road closed – fences – cones – wrong way – closed – dead-end – intersection closed – dead-end – bridge closed.

I shit you not I saw 300 odd hi-viz re-build workers on the streets. Wow – you never really appreciate how many there are.

And just one prick in the cbd out on a run. Steeplechase. Whatever.
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May 1, 2018 7:24pm
- Nev.
  
  I took a mountain bike, way more fun. Fuck the red zone more like a FUN zone
  
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  May 1, 2018 7:36pm
- nasska
  
  I’m not generally given to paranoia LR&C but the road cone situation has me concerned:
  
  …..”Between 150,000 and 250,000 road cones are sold into the New Zealand market each year.
  
  Cameron estimates there are over a million road cones out there on our streets at any given time. Each one weighs 5kg and has a 5-year lifespan.”…..
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11894187
  
  They’re out there & they’re soon going to outnumber us! 🙂
  
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  May 1, 2018 7:36pm
  - Nev.
    
    Dont worry mate, 2.5 million are stolen a year by students. Beer bongs, funny hats, or if you are like me, sheath for your enormously large cock.
    
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    May 1, 2018 7:43pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    …..”Between 150,000 and 250,000 road cones are sold into the New Zealand market each year.
    
    Road cones and East Asians. Can’t get enough of them. Only difference – sometimes two cones don’t look the same to me.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:05pm
- Harkman
  
  You’re just teasing me LR&C caused my knee shited out on me by the Armagh St gates. Coincidentally, some old guy standing watching walked up and told me I was welcome to play in the golden oldies rugby game at 3:30 PM. I was grimacing with pain. I was sore not stupid.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:19pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    The Mickle Gates ?
    I love it when they lock them trapping some fckwit in the car park.
    I’ve had nothing serious like that . . . yet.
    But if I do anything sporty that twists my right ankle / foot – forget it.
    They probably grimace with pain through 80 minutes so couldn’t tell the difference – ha.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska
for you & your mates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuA5tO_c7s4
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May 1, 2018 7:45pm
- nasska
  
  I saw that Maggy & bloody clever it was too.
  
  So was the solution…..apparently they’ve built a play pen for the kea nearby. Have you heard whether it worked out?
  
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  May 1, 2018 7:51pm
- Harkman
  
  Those birds are unbelievably naughty.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:23pm
  - nasska
    
    And very intelligent like most of the parrot family.
    
    One time in the distant past Mrs Nasska & I were browsing a pet shop in Wellington. Ignoring, or not seeing, the sign suggesting that getting close enough to the sulphur crested cockatoo to let it attach itself to your body was less than a good idea my beloved extended her arm.
    
    It was near closing time on a Friday arvo & the wee chick serving in the shop was concerned that since the bird had enjoyed a good day on the peanuts it might be difficult to coax it off her shoulder & back on the perch.
    
    My offer to come back on Monday morning & pick her up went down like a lead balloon. 🙂
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:37pm
    - Nev.
      
      Was that the wife or the pretty female assistant?
      
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      May 1, 2018 8:49pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Hey mazza – you’ve got a parkrun in Gizzy now or soon or something. Cool, yeah ?
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh Grief, not a load of scrawny anorexics descending on us, is there?
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh Parkrun is a thing…
    Yeah, every Saturday …
    http://www.parkrun.co.nz/gisborne/course/
    
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    May 1, 2018 10:18pm
Nev.

Fucks sake, roll on Baseball and Cricket season.
I prefer the brevity those posts provide.
BLAM BLAM BLAM
I would love to remake this
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May 1, 2018 7:55pm
- Harkman
  
  Nev. The way this government is going, there is going to be a “depression in New Zealand.”
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:25pm
- Brigitte
  
  Interesting choice. Written by Von Sturmer who gave his permission to be used by a political party.
  
  That party was McGillicuddy Serious, who had a female candidate (who was on a benefit, studying at uni, and living in her undeclared partner’s house). She then moved to the Green party and came an MP singing the Blam x 3 song (in Te Reo) during her initial speech. Her past caught up with her just before the last election so she is no longer an MP. Not sure what’s happened about her repaying monies to welfare.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:39pm
  - Nev.
    
    Like the band Blam Blam Blam, the will to prosecute is history. And if I knew what I know now I would never have voted for the first 12 years I was allowed to.
    Nev.
    
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    May 1, 2018 8:53pm
Nev.

The band I am off to watch this weekend.
Pale Lady 2018 Rockquest winners. Enjoy!
Empty Space
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May 1, 2018 8:05pm
- Brigitte
  
  They sound pretty good (won’t be in my list this month obviously). Enjoy the concert.
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:49pm
  - Nev.
    
    I was lucky a friend introduced me to an underground venue a couple of years back and I haven’t looked back.
    Check it out
    Some of the best music NZ offers. Invite and word of mouth only.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:01pm
Nev.

If you live in Wellington and you are not a regular at Lovelands you are missing out in the best music in NZ. Idaho by Jef Minus
Thats me on crowd vocals. Strikemaster this weekend all you old bogans
Nev.
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May 1, 2018 8:20pm
Nev.

What more can be said but
MERRIN!
Bring on Seether!
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May 1, 2018 8:35pm
wiseowl

Excellent , excellent discussion on immigration on Credlin to night.
All applicable to New Zealand.
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May 1, 2018 8:43pm
Jack5

Golf lessons for would-be terrorists, and now Auckland rich kids importing drugs get home detention.

This is before Little begins emptying prisons.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12042374
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May 1, 2018 8:44pm
- Jack5
  
  Is there any reason beyond tradition why judges should control sentencing of law breakers?
  
  Judging guilt, applying law to this, needs their expertise. But why do these folk control sentencing?
  
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  May 1, 2018 8:50pm
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    Otherwise the crims would get sentences that actually reflect community disgust. Judges are the middle ground between what you should actually get, and getting off scot free
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:04pm
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    Whoops! Didn’t see CMM had a lick at this sentencing earlier in the thread.
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:05pm
Nev.

Since it hasn’t been mentioned here yet ~
Happy Gay Day all.
…but they don’t want anything special
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May 1, 2018 9:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Gay Day? Isn’t that May 17? Then there’s LGBTQetc’s “National Coming Out Day” on October 11.
  
  Today’s May Day, anniversary of when 200,000 American workers struck for an eight-hour day.
  
  And it’s seven years to the day since Obama announced Osama bin Laden had been killed.
  
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  May 1, 2018 9:27pm
  - Jack5
    
    Or are Gays out to hijack traditional May Pole dancing with its suggestive pole and diversely coloured ribbons?
    
    http://www.thedancelady.com/may-pole-dancing/
    
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    May 1, 2018 9:48pm
    - realityczech
      
      “May Pole dancing”
      
      Whatever shall we do with those sinful gays and their pagan ways Jacksie?
      
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      May 2, 2018 7:19pm
- noskire
  
  At this rate the All Black strip will be all rainbow colours in a few years.
  
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  May 1, 2018 10:13pm
pejhay

So, beginning of May 2018 the first monthly pay packet where we’ve paid more tax than we would have under National – how do we feel ?
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