General Debate 16 May 2018

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This is odd, I don’t recall haering anything about this in the MSM.
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May 16, 2018 11:05am
- NK
  
  True!
  
  Never seen anything on this either: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cohen-companies/companies-detail-payments-to-trump-lawyer-daniels-attorney-says-theres-more-idUSKBN1IA3EJ
  
  Drain the Swamp! Drain the Swamp!
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:20am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Apparently like 98% of news on Trump in the media is negative. Almost as if the media is the propaganda arm of the opposition media party…
  
  Not that uh, not that that could ever happened. No not when the entire media in the US is controlled by like 4 whole holding companies? Similar thing in Australasia, and throughout europe. No its not like a small oligopoly of oligarchs could ever get together, and set their agenda….
  
  Its not like the majority of their articles and stories aren’t syndicated through the associated press either.. Which is the fonterra of the media world.
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:03pm
  - matchbox
    
    Disagree in two respects.
    1) When it comes to NZ news on Trump, it is not 98% negative — it is 100%.
    2) When it comes to USA news on Trump, things are much more balanced. Not that we would ever know of it here, but the negative news on Trump is slightly less than the positive news on Trump.
    
    For balance, this USA site is worth a look : http://www.allsides.com
    
    According to Allsides, all NZ Trump news (print and broadcast) is sourced from left-wing media sources.
    
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    May 16, 2018 3:16pm
    - Inandout
      
      The DomPost is wall to wall anti Trump, and Scott’s ‘cartoons’ are so weak and humourless.
      
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      May 16, 2018 6:17pm
waikatogirl

Morning all ?
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May 16, 2018 11:06am
hmmokrightitis

Oh dear how sad never mind.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/103938189/auckland-activist-penny-bright-fails-in-lastditch-attempt-to-stop-the-sale-of-her-home
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May 16, 2018 11:06am
- stigie
  
  Hey people, it’s not sold yet. Knowing Penny, there’s probably lots more to go down !~
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:23am
  - sooty
    
    Will be soon. The courts had a couple of weeks to read the the tenders. Just need to ring the wining bidder and they can pop around with the check. Then do the legal shit and out on monday.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:28am
    - peterwn
      
      She would most probably be given a brief opportunity to lodge an appeal or to either pay her rates or seek postponement on compassionate grounds. Not sure how much time she can ‘buy’ with an appeal, she would be unlikely to be granted leave, but if so AC could ask for a deposit to cover costs.
      There was obviously nothing in her argument that the CEO, not Mr Town had to sign the sale application – after all Mr Town is the CEO.
      Para [13] of judgment says “On 27 April, Woodhouse J held the Registrar may accept the best offer but otherwise take no steps until this application is determined.”
      I read this as meaning that the highest offer could have been accepted by the Registrar and the successful person (Graham McCready or whoever) informed. So except perhaps for a very brief ‘window’ the sale is all ‘go’ with settlement a month down the track. It could be stopped again, but this is unlikely.
      The judgment is at https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/bright-v-auckland-council/@@images/fileDecision?r=807.779142641
      
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      May 16, 2018 11:57am
      - sooty
        
        Herald says she needs to front up with at least 89k. Would be payable to the courts maybe.
        
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        May 16, 2018 12:39pm
  - ldypen
    
    I have no time for her weirdo stuff and it’s all her fault, however if she has stage three Ovarian cancer then it will kill her, maybe the powers that be should hold off with the sale until after her demise.. it won’t make a difference to the council but may make her last days a bit easier?
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:28am
    - peterwn
      
      The Council can, if she asks. However as the Judge pointed out she has refused to ask. The Council cannot give rates relief under the Act until the ratepayer makes application. The problem is, Penny still wants the Council to accede to her extraneous demands. I think the Council could let it go until she or her executor sells up, but that would be unlawful – Bill of Rights 1688 (UK) which is also NZ law and particularly Fitzgerald v Muldoon.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:04pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        I suspect from her comments in the Horrid that she will seek a rate postponement today.
        She is meeting council at 3.30, she says so she might be biting the bullet.
        It is one of the suggestions the judge made in his decision.
        
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        May 16, 2018 12:11pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Alex:
        
        Have you read Downs J’s judgment? He pokes the stick at times!
        
        Some examples:
        
        [11] On 1 May 2017, the Registrar of the High Court gave Ms Bright notice her home would be sold in six months’ time. Meanwhile, the Council continued to encourage Ms Bright to make payment or engage postponement. It wrote to her on 3 May, 29 June, 2 October and 28 November 2017. And, on 22 January, 2 February, 26 February and 22 March 2018. Ms Bright did not reply.
        
        [16] … Forced sale may attract a price appreciably below market value.13 … [Associated footnote text: Prospective purchasers have not been able to view the property, presumably because Ms Bright has not let them.]
        
        [27] Ms Bright invited attention to affidavits from two city councillors, Ms Catherine Casey and Mr Wayne Walker, which speak of her sincerity and utility of her advocacy. This evidence is misplaced. Even if one accepts Ms Bright’s advocacy advances the public interest, Ms Bright still has legal obligations as a ratepayer. These are not affected by the ratepayer’s idiosyncratic view of the Council or its policies; whether the ratepayer is a “good citizen”; 17 or by characterisation of the ratepayer as “public watchdog”. Any other approach would be antithetical to the rule of law. [Associated footnote text: Ms Bright noted she had won a “good citizen” award.]
        
        It seems that Downs J has a good judicial sense of humour!
        
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        May 16, 2018 2:43pm
      - peterwn
        
        Nostradamus
        re [16] – The Judge could also have added that Penny announced urbi et orbi that she would not give up the house to any buyer (which would probably knock another 100 grand off the price).
        
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        May 16, 2018 4:10pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Peterwn:
        
        which would probably knock another 100 grand off the price
        
        That’s correct – in other words the prospective buyer factors in eviction costs.
        
        The High Court registrar oversees the house sale process, so the prospective buyer would reasonably assume that the High Court registrar will take whatever steps are necessary (including engaging a “qualified security professional” to forcibly assume possession of the house and hand it over to the prospective buyer).
        
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        May 16, 2018 4:38pm
      - peterwn
        
        Nostradamus – The sale would be ‘as is where is’ with no obligation on the Registrar’s part to ensure vacant possession at settlement. In the Manurewa case last year the purchaser asked (and was granted) the Court to hold back $100,000 to allow for costs incurred for eviction presumably including further court orders. A bidder may not be sure of this so would apply his own discount as well.
        While she would be liable for legal costs directly related to the sale (which would come out of the sale proceeds), she has forced the Council to incur further legal costs which may not necessarily come out of sale proceeds but a court would most probably order this to happen. However if the Council grants a postponement these costs may not be included as rates arrears when the house is sold in due course. Hence the Council would probably need have her to agree that these costs would be met in due course through a mortgage or similar.
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:23pm
    - dime
      
      Penny has stage 3 ovarian cancer? shit!
      
      Sorry to hear that 🙁
      
      Ill take it at face value and not think its a ploy for sympathy.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:46pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        I am taking this at face value too.
        The progonsis for stage 3 ovarian cancer is not good.
        I wish her well in the fight against that disease.
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:07pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Except the bludger didn’t have it in the previous 10 years lied about having the money starts a give a little page after enjoying trips overseas etc and while i wish no ill upon her my sympathy for her supposed cause dried up a long time ago
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:18pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Land mines, or cat piss and barricades time!
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:36am
    - sooty
      
      Who has been paying for all the legal mumbo jumbo?
      
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      May 16, 2018 11:42am
      - stigie
        
        You and me sadly sooty !~
        
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        May 16, 2018 11:46am
  - Jack5
    
    Good fight, Penny. You still might come out ahead if the sale goes through before the Auckland property bubble pops.
    
    OR, Penny, as an instructor-level welder, could you turn your castle into a fort?
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:49am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “It is not open to a ratepayer to ‘boycott’ rates or engage in a ‘rates revolt’ for more than a decade and then argue statutorily envisaged consequence should not follow: no one is above the law.”
  
  I disagree with the judge. The power is always with the people to overthrow tyrranical govt.
  
  Penny is a polarising person. I do not agree with everything she has done but if a few more apathetic rate payers got off their fat arses and refused to pay their rates councils would quickly change their tune.
  
  The only reason corrupt councils continue to rort and missapropriate rate payer funds is because they know the vast majority of rate payers are gutless cowards.
  
  The corrupt judges would be powerless to deal with 50000 rates defaulters.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:35am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Not “gutless cowards”, simply respecting a structured society.
    Large scale tax revolts occur when people perceive their government to be fundamentally corrupt, useless and tyrannical. They are literally the prelude to revolution.
    New Zealand is not remotely in that situation. If we are then so is every other nation in earth.
    So Penny’s revolt is fundamentally misplaced. She is not the harbinger of the revolution.
    Everyone knows that, with the obvious exception of Rodney Randall.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:59am
    - dime
      
      i dont miss having you in govt.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
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        dime , and we are fortunate not having your types in too.
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:11pm
      - dime
        
        “dime , and we are fortunate not having your types in too”
        
        true that! you need me out in the private sector, generating cash like the battery hen that i am
        
        youre welcome
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:21pm
    - freethinker
      
      Agree with that Wayne but like other countries we are headed down the road with un affordable local rates large increases in non tradable costs – mainly Govt charges with the COLL adding more, an inefficient/incompetent public sector and an impending global recession or depression, stir and watch the explosion.
      
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      May 16, 2018 1:46pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      I’m glad you mentioned revolution Wayne.
      
      I prefer large scale sit ins at local government.
      Peaceful protests.
      
      What are the police going to do?
      
      The power is with the people and certainly not a useless old left wing trougher like you Wayne.
      
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      May 17, 2018 7:42am
  - Lance
    
    Because no one can vote them out… no… wait
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:09pm
    - 4077th
      
      With choices like Palino and Crone it’s hardly surprising the place is still infested with lefty flunkies. Voting them out would imply there was a reasonable opposition candidate.. just saying 🙂
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:29pm
  - peterwn
    
    There have been some rates revolts but they collapsed pretty quickly when the councils concerned asked the mortgagees to pay the overdue rates.
    Very few have tried deliberate tax revolts, IRD holds all the trumps and the Ace of Spades. In the first instance the IRD can simply raid the taxnonpayer’s bank account.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:27pm
    - freethinker
      
      Until taxpayers/Ratepayers directly target those imposing unpayable charges like happened in Scotland with their Poll Tax – a good basis for tax badly implemented and explained. Work it out Councilors and IRD offials are few in number and becoming a pariah locally and finding you cannot shop or fill the car etc and you quickly decide its time for some sick leave, simply refuse to do as told or leave – system collapse. You can’t beat numbers.
      
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      May 16, 2018 1:51pm
      - peterwn
        
        Trouble is in Auckland any opposition to a left wing mayor and bulk of council is like a bunch of headless chooks who could not even organise a drink-up in a brewery. So get your act together Aucklanders.
        
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        May 16, 2018 10:49pm
- BananaLlama
  
  If it is true that she has stage three ovarian cancer then she should stop this silly nonsense and focus on tying up her worldly affairs instead of wasting whats left of her life on thirty thousand dollars of unpaid rates.
  Seriously Penny.
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:50pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    It’s actually $89,000 now BL; $69,000 in unpaid rates, and $20 in legal costs.
    
    But I agree; sort out an arrangement with Council Penny, and live out your last days in peace.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:56pm
- JibberJabber
  
  “It is not open to a ratepayer to boycott rates or engage in a rates revolt for more than a decade and then argue statutorily envisaged consequence should not follow; no one is above the law.” Justice Downs .
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:49pm
lilman

Come on Israel !!!
Hold fast,dont give an inch.
I support you 100%,protect all you hold dear.

My Government is a disgrace and the PM is

“A STUPID LITTLE GIRL”
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May 16, 2018 11:13am
- Manolo
  
  NZ’s socialist PM should keep her mouth shut and do not speak on these matters. She is out of her depth trying to comment on international affairs.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:15am
  - Harkman
    
    “She is out of her depth trying to comment on international affairs.” I’m still trying to find an area that she isn’t out of her depth.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:21am
    - cubit
      
      TALKING
      
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      May 16, 2018 11:27am
      - sooty
        
        That carpark puddle is shallow.
        
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        May 16, 2018 11:29am
    - Luke Piewalker
      
      Wrapping fish and chips
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo and Harkman and you both are naturally learned experts?
    
    LOL
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:13pm
    - Manolo
      
      Very much so, dear stephieboy.
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:23pm
- mandk
  
  Well said, lilman!
  
  The Palestinians have not been trying to enter Israel for a picnic, and it can be guaranteed that the Hamas fighters with automatic rifles, machine guns and RPGs would follow, if there was a significant breach in the border.
  
  What would happen then?
  
  The answer to that question is easy: there would have been a major armed conflict that would have left hundreds, if not thousands, dead.
  
  The Israelis have been acting with restraint, and they have, so far, saved many many lives on both sides.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:23am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    All the “protesters” appear to be military-age men.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:27am
    - Komata
      
      odakyu-sen
      
      Re: ‘All the “protesters” appear to be military-age men’.
      
      But, there was also a chap with crutches who, after movign around in an apparently severly-injured state, suddenly and ‘miraculously’ threw away his crutches in the ‘passion’ and hatred of the moment and ran forwards towards the Israelis, completely fit and evidently very, very able to use both legs; such is the ‘miracle’ of Hamas…
      
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      May 16, 2018 11:41am
      - mandk
        
        That would be Allah helping him to achieve martyrdom.
        
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        May 16, 2018 11:48am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        That is indeed a miracle…
        
        //
        
        Hamas sure seems to have good funding, unless the “protesters” are volunteers.
        
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        May 16, 2018 12:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      Oadakyu sen, like these and all carrying AK47s and Grenade launchers etc ?,
      
      https://news.sky.com/story/eighteen-palestinians-confirmed-killed-in-gaza-border-protests-11313685
      
      Pathetic!
      
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      May 16, 2018 1:18pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        I agree, AK-47s and grenade launchers is a pathetic attempt to kill the Jews. They should be using at least some modern firearms like the M-4 carbine and some f those Toyota trucks with a DshK on the back that go “Durka Durka Durka!”
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:34pm
      - stephieboy
        
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        Padriv Ustoev, focus on the issues. Were the protestors at the time carrying M4s and Trucks to ram or whatever?
        
        Yes or no?
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:40pm
      - mandk
        
        @ stephieboy
        
        focus on the issues please – were they protesters or merely human shields for Hamas fighters?
        
        My understanding is that protesters march up and down singing “we shall overcome”, or whatever is the protest song du jour.
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:55pm
- cmm
  
  What was that fellzy crap she came up with: “devastating”.
  
  What next: “I’m so upset I need a lie down in the hug room! Maybe Clarkie can bring me some mint tea, Clarkie, Clarkie, I need you!”
  
  Come one girly, if you want to sit in the big chair and be taken seriously then talk like a grown up.
  
  She also thinks it will hurt the peace process. Nope. Giving in to rioting activists destroys any chance of a peace process.
  
  They were not demonstrators. Demonstrators wave a few placards and sing a few songs. People who set stuff on fire and use dangerous weapons are rioters – not demonstrators.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:25am
- Ross12
  
  Turnbull’s response
  
  “Any loss of life like this is tragic in circumstances like this, but Hamas’ conduct is confrontational. They’re seeking to provoke the Israeli defence forces,” Mr Turnbull told Australian radio outlet 3AW.
  
  “If they’re pushing people to the border in that context, in that conflict zone, you’re basically pushing people into circumstances where they are very likely to be shot at as Israel seeks to defend itself.”
  
  And of course, Turnbull has nailed it, for once.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:27am
  - sooty
    
    Not our little girl. Oh dear, never mind. Off to have the baby as soon as Robbo addresses the nation on the budget. Back after christmas.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:33am
  - Duxton
    
    “And of course, Turnbull has nailed it, for once.”
    
    Actually, he ‘nails’ things virtually all the time.
    
    Whereas Jacinda is just…….virtual, all the time.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:34am
    - Dazzaman
      
      Or……nailed?
      
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      May 16, 2018 2:49pm
  - Harkman
    
    Have these Palestinians not got anything else to do other than fire things into Israel? And why doesn’t the media ask this basic question? Reports of a family with children killed in the skirmishes, who takes their children to raid another country’s border? Just speechless. As for Bette Midler, she’s no longer relevant.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:35am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Wasn’t just children, it was a grandmother taking an 8 month old baby, reportedly overcome with tear gas. Who takes a young baby to a violent skirmish with bullets and tear gas???
      
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      May 16, 2018 11:42am
      - Komata
        
        waikatogirl
        
        Re: ‘Who takes a young baby to a violent skirmish with bullets and teargas???’
        
        Evidently a ‘palestinian’ grandmother who wants her fifteen minutes of fame as a martyr in front of ALL the world’s newspapers and TV cameras.
        
        That’s who.
        
        Such was her devotion that she might even be made a ‘saint’ for her ‘sacrifice’ to the ‘Noble’ cause (which is, by the way, the complete destruction of Israel)
        
        It’s a most ‘unusual’ society that produces such a ‘fervent’ reaction from its inhabitants.
        
        Cynic that I am, it makes one wonder which family member it was that Hamas was holding hostage..
        
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        May 16, 2018 11:48am
      - Southern Raider
        
        And apparently that baby had serious existing medical conditions
        
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        May 16, 2018 11:58am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Similar type of people who blow up their entire family as per the recent attack on church in Indonesia.
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:51pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Have these Palestinians not got anything else to do other than fire things into Israel?”
      
      Well the issue is that Israel is illegally occupying their land.
      
      The Nazi “settlers” had the same problems when they “occupied” Poland.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc , you live in a fantasy world. Keep it up.
        
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        May 16, 2018 1:41pm
      - realityczech
        
        Keep it up Zionist trolls. History will again repeat due to the callous disregard some Jews have for those outside the tribe.
        
        Armed invasion and occupation is wrong even when Jews do it.
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ross12 , Turnball suggesting the meek and mild approach as the only way of convincing the IDF?
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:21pm
    - Ross12
      
      I do not see him suggesting anything. I see him reading the situation accurately.
      
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      May 16, 2018 1:56pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ross12 , well I see Turnball reading totally wrong.
        
        This might explain things ,
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/31/turnbull-extols-relationship-with-israel-as-nations-strengthen-security-ties
        
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        May 16, 2018 2:43pm
      - Ross12
        
        Hamas said four days before it happened that they were going to do what they did. If you was an Israeli leader what would have you done ? Opened “the gate” and welcomed them with open arms and let them run riot ?
        
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        May 16, 2018 2:51pm
- Southern Raider
  
  At least 24 of the 50 killed yesterday have been identified as Al Aqsa Brigade members.
  
  For fuck wit lefties that’s Hamas’s paramilitary wing.
  
  This wasn’t a family picnic
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Only 50? That’s some serious restraint by Israel.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:03pm
  - realityczech
    
    Using this logic, the Nazi “settlers” were the victims when the countries they “occupied” resisted as part of securing their traditional Germanic home lands.
    
    I am not fan of Hamas, but the fact is Israel is illegally invading and occupying another country.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:50pm
    - VicParking
      
      Why then aren’t you protesting in Crimea. Go up there and start throwing stones at Russian troops. Good luck
      
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      May 16, 2018 1:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        Crimea is Russian and always has been. History not your thing zionist troll boy?
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Southern Raider , source? And armed with AK47s and Grenade launchers ?
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:22pm
  - Manolo
    
    Good on Israel for removing the scum.
    
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    May 16, 2018 5:22pm
cmm

Actors walk out of movie screening because killing children is not art.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12052224

Nope, but apparently a rapper simulating the hanging of white children on stage is fine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-X_ncRXS0
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May 16, 2018 11:16am
- RalphT
  
  And singing about raping the PM’s daughter is also acceptable; depending, of course, on the PM concerned being a right wing rich prick.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:23am
  - Milhous
    
    Actually Ardern has endorsed said band and their incitement to sexual violence in the past .
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/ardern_on_homebrew.html
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:31am
    - RF
      
      Unfortunately in our society there are some people who are thick as pig shit…..
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:54pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Stuff’s headline says:
  
  Film inspired by Trump has been called “one of the most unpleasant movie-going experiences” and “disgusting” by reviewers.
  
  The story includes a Hitler quote (of course) but makes no mention of Trump. Weird.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:27am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Drumph is a deranged psychopathic murderer of little children, havent you heard? Of course the film is about him.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:29pm
G152

Mallard is pissed. Some-one told the truth.
Most disconcerting.
He seems to ignore when liebor insult nats women..
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May 16, 2018 11:18am
- Batman
  
  It’s rich coming from Mallard, given he regularly called Chris Finlayson “Tinkerbell” and even got in trouble for it.
  
  I notice that the sexist trash that Twyford, Parker et al have spent a decade throwing across the house at almost every female National minister… Is curiously unheard by journos.
  
  Particularly the Newshub newbie Anna Bracewell-Worral. She said on the project that “I’ve certainly never heard anything like it”. That’s because you’ve not been around parliament for more than five minutes Anna. If she cared to open her biased ears, she’d find the Labour MPs throw the worst insults of all.
  
  Don’t even get me started on her completely biased ‘news’ stories…
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Talk about the Streisand effect. I had no idea what said phrase was until Newshub went into bat for the precious and incredibly insecure princess. Now everyone knows and most agree with it.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:51am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Odd that Mallard didn’t intervene when David Parker interjected “I bet it’s not Botox” against Judith Collins last Wednesday.
    
    Actually, it’s not odd at all. Trevor Mallard is the epitome of a partisan political hack.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:59pm
NK

Quote of the day/week/month/century from the Herald:

It is not open to a ratepayer to boycott rates or engage in a rates revolt for more than a decade and then argue statutorily envisaged consequence should not follow; no one is above the law.

No prizes for guessing who the Judge is referring to.
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May 16, 2018 11:19am
- tf78
  
  I wish I had half the balls that Penny Bright has shown – she has done what we all should have done in trying to show up this corrupt council. I wish her well in her tough journey ahead.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:44am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Except that she has gone about it in completely the wrong way.
    
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    May 16, 2018 11:47am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Not according to Penny!
      
      I wish Penny well for her staving off cancer as long as she has the ACC.
      All the best for your health Penny.
      
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      May 16, 2018 11:51am
    - tf78
      
      Sure Don, but you can’t knock her tenacity, it’s a shame it has taken such a toll on her.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:03pm
      - calendar girl
        
        It has taken a financial toll, of course; one that Penny could have avoided, but chose not to.
        
        But if you’re suggesting that Penny’s serious health condition has been caused (or exacerbated) by her prolonged refusal to pay her rates, then I’d like to see the evidence that you’re relying on for that.
        
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        May 16, 2018 3:40pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Penny isn’t showing the council up as corrupt, if anything she is showing them to be looking after ratepayers interests in attempting to collect rates due in spite of the difficulty she presents. She appears as mad as a snake and has galvanised 90% of Auckland behind the council in this matter.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:04pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    tf78,
    The council is not corrupt. Penny is in fundamental terms a good old time socialist.
    She believes that the council should own & operate all the means it requires to deliver the services that it delivers. Therefore in no way should it buy services from the private sector.
    
    The best example is public transport services. She believes AT should be a modern day ARA & AT should not be using private operators to deliver services. Consequently, she has been trying to prove that all procurement by AT has been corrupt. Her campaign on this matter has been irrespective of any facts to the contrary.
    
    In pursuit of her campaign she has wasted substantial amounts of council resource and money all to no avail. This lost money will never be recovered, leaving council & the government with the bill. Some public watchdog?
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:42pm
    - tf78
      
      Hulkiwi,
      Our rate money which the council has wasted over the years also will never be recovered. Think $200k curtains, $20,000 plus moving furniture for meetings, lunches for staff which you wouldn’t get at the best restaurants, Queen St offices which could be in Manukau but it doesn’t have the view, a department called ATEED which the staff can’t be found in their office because they’re out for lunch on the ratepayers. I could go on and on and that’s what Penny was all about – how they spend our money. Over half the rate money collected goes on salaries – that’s over $1.5b in case you weren’t aware.
      
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      May 16, 2018 6:54pm
Philview

I see the number one viewed story on the Guardian this morning is about Jacinda Ardern. The biggest crisis in the world right now, who made that comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/mp-who-called-jacinda-ardern-a-stupid-little-girl-refuses-to-own-up
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May 16, 2018 11:48am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Talk about dirty politics, they were whinging about it on tv last night, it’s so pathetic, it’s like high-school drama. Just utter BS… As if there was nothing more important to talk about.
  
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  May 16, 2018 11:53am
- Sideoiler
  
  The minister for women, Julie Anne Genter, said the remark was unacceptable. “People should get with the times, especially the National party backbenches. Grow up,” she said.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/mp-who-called-jacinda-ardern-a-stupid-little-girl-refuses-to-own-up
  
  You should shut the fuck up Julie Anne Genter, your opinnion is not worth shit on this matter
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:03pm
  - mandk
    
    It’s a bit rich coming from the ageist, racist and sexist Ms Genter.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:38pm
  - 4077th
    
    Julie Anne Genter – Minister for stupid little girls
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:43pm
    - Viking2
      
      I read somewhere that JAG was a bit of an expert at car park planning. From her noise so far it seems to me that this is what she wants for our roads. Car parking places for the day.
      
      Stupid girl.
      
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      May 16, 2018 9:13pm
      - stephieboy
        
        so says the Professor of everything!
        
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        May 16, 2018 9:24pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    The stupid little girls are out in force today.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:28pm
  - Longknives
    
    So Julie Anne Genter takes offence at someone calling Ardern a ‘Stupid Girl’…
    The same Julie Anne Genter who sneered to a group of impressionable Primary School Children that all Old White Men need to just die??
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:37pm
- Felt
  
  Maybe it is time that the Guardian knew that their precious ‘little girl’ has spent time in hospital recently for anxiety disorders because she can not handle adult things!
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:20pm
  - Batman
    
    Shit like this is how the left get to smear the right with claims of fake news etc.
    
    There’s no evidence of this, so don’t make shit up.
    
    Either put up or shut up. You’re doing the credibility of this blog and the right wing a disservice.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:40pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Did she? Is this fact? If so please supply evidence. I am curious.
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:41pm
    - sooty
      
      Rumours, don’t you love the rumours.
      Can’t live with them or without them.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes she does not look well at all. Her mental health issues are written all over her face and no amount of photoshop by the media can hide it.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:01pm
- Huevon
  
  The MP should own up. She is a stupid little girl.
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:28pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Watch out, you’ll have Linda Clarke on to you, lol. 🙂
    
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    May 16, 2018 2:18pm
  - realityczech
    
    I wonder when Mike Bush will make an official statement denying she is a stupid little girl?
    
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    May 16, 2018 5:14pm
- Harkman
  
  I really gotta get some more sleep, initially I thought Eleanor Ainge Roy read Eleanor Rigby. ?
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:32pm
  - 4077th
    
    Eleanor Rigby, picks up the rice
    In the church where a wedding has been
    Lives in a dream
    Waits at the window, wearing the face
    That she keeps in a jar by the door
    Who is it for
    
    All the lonely people..
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:46pm
    - Harkman
      
      Marvellous
      
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      May 16, 2018 3:27pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Quick, ring them. Tell them it was the whole bloody country who said that!
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:26pm
- RF
  
  Someone from Arderns coven is feeding overseas media this shit….
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:16pm
Komata

A question cocnerning Penelope:

Was it EVER about the ‘water’ or was it more about her and a psychological need for ongoing attention?

After observing her over several years, I would suspect the latter and do wonder if this ‘conveniently-appearing’ latest ‘health’ revelation is merely another symptom of the same.
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May 16, 2018 11:54am
Manolo

Right he is!
http://therightscoop.com/the-media-have-blood-on-their-hands-mark-levin-blasts-the-media-over-biased-coverage-of-israel-defending-itself-from-palestinians/

Mark Levin opened his show today explaining why the contemptible media, not just in this country but worldwide, and the Democratic party have blood on their hands when it comes to the Palestinians who died in Gaza as Israel was defending itself.
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May 16, 2018 11:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , the Palestinian protesters armed with automatic weapons and grenade launchers.
  
  The number of Israeli soldiers killed or seriously wounded?
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:34pm
Holly Roggerz

Still no update from Simon Bridges about what the new policies of Labour Lite are? More virtue signalling about the ‘needy’ and ‘deserving’ inbound, veilled by non-comittal statements?

It’s amazing how long he can go, and how much he can say without uh, taking a position on anything. I thought Jacinda Ardern was good at that, better than Peters infact, but this Simon, he is on an entirely new level, ofcourse what do you expect from a smooth talking lawyer?

Really missed a handfull or two of opportunities since his innaugeration, to lash out at the self-destructive Labour party and draw a clear and definitive distinction between the two Labour parties.

Could have really humanized himself as well by talking about his experiences as a crown-prosecutor, and relating them back to the plan to release these people out of prisons… Really could have turned the tables on Jacinda their, making her out to be the big baddy who doesn’t care if criminals come to your house and…

Oh well, I am sure that there is 2023, or 2025 if they extend the electoral terms..
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May 16, 2018 12:08pm
- lifesgood
  
  I think you belong on WO, HR. You’d get heaps of upticks from all the Simon deranged over there. I take it you wanted Judith as leader? Have you never heard the term “softly, softly, catchee monkey”?
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:27pm
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Very funny lifesgood, very funny.. Obviously I don’t have a problem with Simon, uhm, its just that really from an ideological standpoint with his endless virtue signalling about the ‘needy’ and ‘more deserving’ and ‘not spending enough’, I think it really shows that he is in the wrong party.
    
    And some people will vote blue regardless of their policies, they treat it like a silly little sports game/team, they mock and call the other side names, and do all sorts of meaningless high-school drama BS, but the adults here know that politics is about more than ‘your team’, it’s about setting the policies of government which due to governments over-reach effect every aspect of everybodies life.
    
    And thats why we can’t support a party without policies, without convictions, who treats the next election like an exercise in rebranding and marketing, a game, where the prize is a nice car for 3 years and a small payrise.
    
    The fact is that Simon is not the right leader, his approval ratings is about 1/4th of what the party got in the election. Its becoming clearer every day, the sooner they roll him the better, lets not give him a second chance in 2025 and try for real at 2030…
    
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    May 16, 2018 12:41pm
    - 4077th
      
      Why they chose him is beyond me. I’m not a collins fan and frankly would rather have seen Mark Mitchell as leader in preference to both Bridges and Collins. I also rate Brownlee but he is tainted by the EQC issues and almost nobody in Christchurch would vote for him.
      
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      May 16, 2018 12:54pm
    - Philview
      
      He is in a tricky position. Labour are pumping out lots of false propaganda about the last Government and when the actual truth emerges it very seldom hits the mainstream news. On the other hand lots of money is suddenly flowing in all directions now which means people know there will be consequences down the track but they want that money now. Simon needs to be patient and I think he is showing that. Labour want to empty out the prisons and Stuff site is obliging by pumping lots of articles in support of this. We know this policy will be a disaster. Hiking significant costs onto small business will be a disaster. Hitting farmers hard will be a disaster.
      I could go on with policies that could have severe negative consequences.
      
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      May 16, 2018 1:51pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Yes the media is biased, did that stop stop Trump, no ofcourse not, did it stop Brexit, noo…. Point is you win the argument, you win the election. Does saying nothing work, does it achieve anything, no, not at all! And anyone who says he must not say anything because the media is biased is just making excuses!
        
        In order to grow his voterbase he needs to demonstrate to those people on the fence, that Labours policies are bad, that means when they flaunt their bad policies, i.e. that they will let people out of prison, why not make a point of it, and relate to it on a personal level as an ex-state prosecutor, it would have humanized him de-humanized Cindy, taken her shiny sheen off of her image.
        
        And he needs to demonstrate that national is an alternative, a better alternative, that they have better polices, they need to have better policies, and when she talks for instance about ‘affordable housing’ point out that it’s no more or less affordable than anything else being built in this country, that its a scam, a rip-off, that her numers are wrong, and she is out of touch if she thinks it’s cheap!
        
        Point out that it’s a bad deal compared to what you can get overseas, that the market is overpriced, and that if she thinks the soloution is government project managing realestate development, she doesn’t understand what the problem is or how to fix it. And then talk about the real issues like the inflated costs of building materials, the restrictions on the supply of land etc..etc..
        
        I am sure that he is welcome every now and again, when there is some sort of a scandal, to go on the Mike Hoskings show, and incite everyone against this useless bunch. Its good for ratings, its good for the polls, everyone wins. Instead he just virtue signals about the needy, and deserving, and complains that they don’t spend enough. May as well rename the party to labour while he is at it!
        
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        May 16, 2018 2:22pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    The problem with trying to convince the electorate that you are exactly like the Labour party except a bit more sensible and efficient is that you become exactly like the Labour party.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:29pm
    - Philview
      
      I think he is flagging that he has a bit of compassion but also he is pointing out that some of Labour’s policies are going to be a disaster for NZ but no one really cares about his view at the moment. They say a week in politics is a long time so I think Labour will be very lucky if they can get to 3 years without cracks showing. For example, another major earthquake and lets see how they handle that pressure, Winston nowhere to be found, Jacinda looking after her baby etc.
      
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      May 16, 2018 2:02pm
- KevOB
  
  Timing is important too. With a budget due tomorrow who’s going to pay attention?
  The media are determined not to give National any space so the fight is going to have to underground. That may mean ignoring visibly fighting Labour but letting them destroy themselves. Several of my family have turned and Labour are now subject to scorn by former rabid voters–how many more are out there?
  
  Sometimes its easier to let people hang themselves while they do it in private.
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:56pm
Happychappy

I see that Winston First and Angry Andy have have showed their true colours and lack of balls by advertising for people to enter Pike River Mine. These Two and one of Winstons loyal supporter promised to be the first to led a recovery group into the mine but now seem to have renigged on their election promise and want other to do the job for them.
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May 16, 2018 12:30pm
- 4077th
  
  Lol.. Human Shields needed.
  
  No skills required
  Job Description; Hold torch, go into dark hole, check for dead bodies. Ensure your life insurance is up to date. No guarantee of on going work 🙂
  
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  May 16, 2018 12:59pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I wonder if it would meet the terms and conditions of any life insurance.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:01pm
  - skyblue
    
    Sounds like a job description for looking into Robbo’s arse. Lots of ALFs up there, all dead.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:12pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  They could try some of the fakugees that come into the country, they are used to noise, smoke and explosions.
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:38pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  The correct order is Winston first, Little second followed by those members of the families who are so keen to get their loved ones back. of course the MSM might wish to be invited along.
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:40pm
  - 4077th
    
    The pied piper leads on..
    
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    May 16, 2018 2:36pm
- Philview
  
  Last I heard the mission has changed. Prior to the election it was “Bring the boys home”. Since the election it sounded like they will not be bringing the boys home but will be looking for evidence to build a case, no doubt to try and pin it on the National Government.
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:35pm
  - KevOB
    
    Very expensive politicking. With international experts concerned about the natural unsafety of a mine built on a gas producing fault there will be huge legal consequences if anything further goes wrong. There can’t be any guarantees–just hope.
    
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    May 16, 2018 3:01pm
sooty

Wellingtonians must love the labour party. 100 talkfeasts requiring bed, breakfast and all the rest of the meals around town, office space, equipment, staff, etc for how many? Got to be at least 5,000 people. Labour true to form bloating the public service and they ain’t finished yet, because once they finish talking. Then they will need to add on the permanent offices, staffing etc and on it goes.
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May 16, 2018 12:59pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “Labour true to form bloating the public service and they ain’t finished yet”
  
  COL empire building on the back of the tax payers!
  
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  May 16, 2018 3:54pm
Poppa

I see Jordan Williams has come out condemning the interest free loan on 1st home buyers being proposed by the idiot Twyford

He says that has all the hallmarks of the dodgy loans which sparked the GFC in USA. I too share that opinion.

These will be issued to people who obviously cannot afford a house & any slight change in circumstance will cause mortgagee sales.

It is our money he proposes chucking around. It looks like this whole Kiwibuild thing will be an abject failure
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May 16, 2018 1:00pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Inevitable defaults, why wouldn’t they, free money.
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:37pm
- waikatogirl
  
  George W Bush and Twitford, both economic geniuses! ?
  
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  May 16, 2018 3:58pm
4077th

Proof some factions of Maori never want equality. Acting like savages means you get treated like savages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_SbpHwqccE

Bet Angry was shitting his dungaree’s.
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May 16, 2018 1:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  4077rh, blood and bodies covering parliament square ?
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:35pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Only in a leftards daydreams stephiebitch
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:41pm
  - 4077th
    
    If the savages had their way yes, I’m sure there would be. Imagine if that was JK instead of Angry Andy.. I don’t have to think back very far to remember the Urewera terrorist training camps and scribble face Iti’s involvement. Seems he is everywhere and where he is, trouble follows.
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:41pm
- Longknives
  
  To be fair- I don’t think even the Labour wimps would ‘shit their dungarees’ with that rabble of blubbery losers protesting
  
  I’ll repeat what I posted last night-
  
  Ha Ha have you ever seen a less intimidating bunch of so-called ‘Warriors’?
  Most of them are so fat they wobble like jelly when they are doing their little dances and poking their tongues out.
  I didn’t take much notice of what their grievance was but I’m guessing the ‘compensation’ will be in unlimited KFC vouchers?
  Once Were Warriors? Once Were Puddings more like…
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:48pm
  - 4077th
    
    Agreed, I’d be more afraid of the grey-hair with the stick 🙂
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:52pm
  - KevOB
    
    The taniwha was hiding behind a tree waiting for the payout.
    
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    May 16, 2018 3:03pm
  - MCos
    
    Maybe you’re right and you could take out those guys without putting down your beer.
    Somehow I don’t think it’s a spectacle we’re likely to witness.
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:49pm
AgentBallSack

If lefties hate Israel and the Jews so much they are willing to see them and their country destroyed, does that make them the ~~NEO~~ go to Nazis of our day?
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May 16, 2018 1:23pm
- Que Sera Sera
  
  I don’t think lefties (as you like to refer) hate Israel any more than any thinking person, being right, left
  or with any other political leaning.
  What decent people don’t like is the rotten individual that is the head of government in Israel with his war mentality.
  Which is backed up by Trump.
  
  They are both itching to take on Iran and if that happens, it is hard to imagine just where the resulting mess will end up.
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:50pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Lefties don’t like anything.
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:57pm
  - Que Sera Sera
    
    You should stop talking about yourself there.
    
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    May 16, 2018 3:55pm
- UpandComer
  
  Why is Israel ignoring the benefits to it’s economy of a 35,000 strong labour force of diversity?
  
  It is reprehensible that Israel is machine gunning all these New Israelis. All the New Israeli’s are trying to do is build a new life for themselves and their children, over the wall.
  
  The New Israeli’s deserve welfare and legal protection, not bullets. Israel needs to listen to it’s diaspora about how you should treat New Israelis. Give them welfare, and wreck free speech for them.
  
  The New Israeli’s are just Israelis with a different cultural background. I’m sure the Jews in Israel are just kidding. They couldn’t possibly profess diversity for the west and then callously murder so many New Israelis.
  
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  May 16, 2018 4:57pm
Happychappy

Any bets on how long it will take the Coalition of losers to grant the obese kraut NZ residence if his wife is expecting a baby according to the rumour mill.
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May 16, 2018 1:34pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  He must still have some millions stashed away because he is seriously pitching above his weight when it comes to her. Or call me a cynic.
  
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  May 16, 2018 1:40pm
  - 4077th
    
    HC beat me to it..
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:50pm
  - RalphT
    
    I didn’t think anything above his weight was possible?
    
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    May 16, 2018 1:53pm
  - Longknives
    
    She loves him for his ‘sense of humour’
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5349323/Kim-Dotcoms-wife-insists-shes-not-gold-digger.html
    
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    May 16, 2018 6:30pm
- MCos
  
  It is perfectly monstrous, the way people go about nowadays saying things against one behind one’s back that are absolutely and entirely true.
  
  Oscar Wilde
  
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  May 16, 2018 4:34pm
4077th

Best read of the day.. SGT Dot Kraut having another sprog to his latest dial-a-bride. Most amusing is all is progeny are IVF resultant. It proves the only one who wants to fuck him is the US government 🙂
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May 16, 2018 1:44pm
- sooty
  
  Would you want him sitting on top of you?
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:14pm
Jack5

Chinese bringing in scores of tradies to build hotel in Auckland.

NZ First’s immigration policies were a lie. NZ First conned voters – again. Peters is Jacinda’s poodle.

Here Peters! Here Peters! Good boy, Peters!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103946748/immigration-accepts-companys-application-to-import-138-chinese-tradies
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May 16, 2018 1:54pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Theyre going to bring in immigrants to build the Dunedin Hospital too. This government has no credibility.
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:06pm
- Jack5
  
  ai, ai …. ai, ai
  Si, si senora
  
  Our PM Jacinda looked out the window
  And said ‘Clarke, he pees whenever we say, oh
  We’ll bring in tradies from China
  And Winnie will go along-oh’
  
  ai, ai …. ai,
  ai, ai, carumba
  
  https://youtu.be/EqpzSb9ST2w
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:07pm
  - sooty
    
    Those poor trade unionist missing out again. Don’t find many chinky members in the union.
    
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    May 16, 2018 2:12pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      What happened to all those Filipino tradies last week who were sitting around Auckland fishing due to work not being available?? Surely it’s not that the Filopinos builders aren’t acceptable to the Chinese developers?!
      That would be racism wouldn’t it ? //
      
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      May 16, 2018 4:09pm
      - MCos
        
        I don’t know how the work permit system works in NZ, but I’m guessing the visa is organized by the employer and once the work is completed the worker must either leave the country, obtain a different type of visa or become an overstayer.
        
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        May 16, 2018 4:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  jack 5 , that was announced, I believe, last year before 23/09/17.
  
  Cross check in your “Hooreld” please?
  
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  May 16, 2018 4:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    FFS, Stephie X, get a Western calendar!
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:48pm
AgentBallSack

83% of a packet of cigarettes costs are now tax. So that means a packet of smokes that costs $35.00 is actually worth about $4.00. Imagine if the fuel companies, or any company were earning such obscene profits from a product (which incidentally mainly target the poor).
The tax is now doing the opposite of its intention by ensuring children go without proper food and clothing while their parents smoke.
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May 16, 2018 2:03pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  But you have to remember that tax is good and tax makes you happy
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:27pm
  - sooty
    
    If you don’t like that, I will beat into you.
    
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    May 16, 2018 3:08pm
- 4077th
  
  Interestingly, A packet of cigs in Japan is around $5. Smoking related deaths are 0.1% of the population. A packet of cigs here is 7 x that of Japan and smoking related deaths are around 0.1% of the population. This proves your point Agent, no matter how much you increase the price the same amount of people will die regardless. The only beneficiaries are the government coffers. The standout is the black market and the increase in robbery and violent crime directly proportional to increases in tobacco tax.
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:31pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “while their parents smoke”
  
  Seems like a pretty obvious solution then: don’t smoke.
  
  If they can’t stop smoking, it’s going to become necessary to curtail benefits and instead directly feed children in community food halls.
  
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  May 16, 2018 3:01pm
  - MCos
    
    Some schools already organize breakfast for kids who turn up in the morning with empty stomachs because they don’t get fed at home for whatever reason.
    Not a lot different from that which you advocate, but whether it’s due to parents smoking is a moot point.
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:16pm
    - stigie
      
      Many an argument from some of my leftie friends is when i comment on kids going to school with no breakfast and taking no food, generally the answer is the parents can’t afford it.
      I say to them, what about the 12 weeks or so holidays that they have a year, who’s going to feed them..?
      Utter fucking silence from them, don’t want to know !~
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:15pm
      - MCos
        
        What do you know that they don’t?
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:24pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Remember prohibition? That worked out well for America didn’t it?
    Oh wait – it put the money directly in the hands of organised criminals and caused multiple deaths in the resulting power struggles before it was tossed to the kerb.
    All because a few luvvies decided to get alcohol banned.
    It’s a known fact that people under stress are more inclined to smoke, and one of the major factors in causing stress is poverty. Drop all tax on cigarettes and suddenly the poverdy will be less.
    
    Assuming a person smokes a carton of ciggies a week, under current law that costs a whopping $350.00. If you dropped the tax it would be $40.00.
    Doesnt take a rocket science to see that would raise the living standards of children more than any Government initiative.
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:21pm
    - 4077th
      
      As much as I would like to believe the government (of any ilk) dropping the tax on ciggies, it’s very unlikely. That said, It would be interesting to do the numbers. So, presently (as of November 2017) there are 605000 smokers in NZ. using your numbers ABS, $187,000,000 in tax. What is the current COL budget for child poverty and related spending? I bet it’s well over $200M. If any government announced this they would be a shoe in. Conversely, imagine the incandescent rage over in the ASH do-gooder”s camp 🙂 I think it’s a bloody good idea and think the statistics will likely remain the same at 0.1% related deaths. It’s obvious swathes of smokers didn’t give up at the last round of hikes so hardly likely to encourage others to start just by being cheaper. As as mentioned in an earlier post, the black market dries up in one fell swoop. Bold, but a good idea.
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:03pm
      - 4077th
        
        I neglected to add the downstream costs of policing the robberies, loss of trade to the retailer, damage to property, costs in the judicial system and last but not least, prevent the deaths and injury of dairy owners and others on the front line. I imagine we are talking 10’s if not hundreds of millions in these area’s. Freeing up police time and lessening the need for more officers? Sounds like a win-win to me.
        
        Edit to add: 500 aggravated robberies for ciggies in 2017.
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:24pm
      - 4077th
        
        $187,000,000 returned to the 605,000 smokers each week..For clarification
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:34pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Governments have a long history of taxing anything that’s essential or addictive. Can you imagine the tax chasm that would open up if smoking stopped overnight? It would be huge. So why miss out that that juicy tax take today, when any health benefits are many parliamentary terms away?
  
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  May 16, 2018 4:42pm
AgentBallSack

In case you missed my daily mantra:

BLOCK the Dog
IGNORE the Boy
PROSECUTE the Groper

Also,
ENJOY the rest of your night. I am off to the doctor to see if my broken rib also collapsed my lung. Or if I am just a pussy.
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May 16, 2018 2:35pm
- 4077th
  
  Meow 🙂
  
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  May 16, 2018 2:41pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    It’s true I am a soft pussy cat. Ask anyone!
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:15pm
    - 4077th
      
      I know thee well. Thou hast obtained thy suit 🙂
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:06pm
Fletch

According to the Manhattan Institute, electric vehicles are NOT better than petrol cars for the environment in the long run –

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/sites/default/files/R-JA-0518.pdf

Oh, and they are far more dangerous when they catch on fire (which is more likely).

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/15/electric-cars-nightmare-firefighters-combustion/
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May 16, 2018 3:02pm
wreck1080

Why would the EU be protecting a dead beat employee?

“EU refuses to waive immunity for diplomat Eva Tvarozkova in $20k rental dispute”

I guess there are two sides to every story, but I would not be renting to any diplomatic staff ever!!

It will be interesting to see the ramifications of the EU decision, although maybe the tenant had some legitimate reasons!
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May 16, 2018 3:10pm
Jack5

Even remote Dunedin is experiencing diversity. On a page at the back of the Otago Daily Times today there are three court cases.

One is about Salimbhai Wadhwania, a taxi driver found not guilty on seven charges of indecent assault.

A second is about Aniket Sumeet Kumar, going into a four-day trial on sex charges including eight of doing an indecent act on a child under 12.

The third case is about Barry Alan New, described as a well-known flasher, who pleaded guilty to a charge of burglary.
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May 16, 2018 3:38pm
- Jack5
  
  Additional point: Kumar is a cleaner.
  
  New Zealand is big hearted and great. Selfish, foolish nations recruit highly skilled migrants, but we smartly take the low skilled: taxi drivers and cleaners.
  
  A Hooerald report of the Kumar case:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12052531
  
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  May 16, 2018 4:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5, as if being a cleaner and a South Asian is a special qualification for being a sex abuser?
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X: Just be grateful they weren’t Stephiestanis.
      
      Though, not sure it’s illegal to interfere with goats under the age of 12. Meanwhile, I’ll keep looking for the ultra-elusive diversity dividends you dream of.
      
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      May 16, 2018 4:40pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      as if being a cleaner and a South Asian is a special qualification for being a sex abuser?
      
      As if someone who’s commented on Kiwiblog about seeing “small but ample breasts” at St Lukes would know?
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:05pm
      - stigie
        
        Just for Stiffy’s entertainment Nostra !~
        
        https://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Belgium-Muslim-ad1.jpg
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, & stigie , never realised that a young woman’s body caused you both so much disgust and shame.
        
        Sad!
        
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        May 16, 2018 9:28pm
mandk

This got me thinking:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103949143/analysis-gloriavale-will-implode–the-only-question-is-when

Is Winston Peters the political equivalent of Hopeful Christian?

Winston’s and Hopeful’s leadership styles and their treatment of heretics and dissenters seem very similar.
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May 16, 2018 3:39pm
Jack5

Hi Stephies:

A great opportunity for you folk: tropical climate, subsidised housing, part of a booming country, a new version of Hawaii. A thousand times better than south Auckland.

One drawback: you English hard after Stephiestani, and Chinese is complicated. Perhaps another is in perving. The younger members of the Stephiestani troll team might find the adolescent boobs at the malls a bit flat for their liking.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2146099/chinas-hawaii-looking-1-million-new-residents-more-population
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May 16, 2018 4:02pm
Jack5

If our farmers think they have a hard time, spare a thought for what’s happening to white farmers in South Africa.

A South African says there are an average of two attacks on farms each day, and an average of two farmers are murdered each week.

The details are at: Fox News, World, Africa….
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May 16, 2018 4:13pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes! But they’re white – so they can’t be victims in any progressive sense of the word. This is just the result of generations of oppression of blacks by the whites and the blacks therefore can’t be held responsible for what they do to the evil, oppressing whites.
  
  I tell you it’s fucking hard work trying to think like a libtard and find ways to excuse the inexcusable and blame the victims because of political correctness. No wonder our resident libtards are such miserable whiners – they have permanent headaches.
  
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  May 16, 2018 4:48pm
  - mandk
    
    To many progressives, persecuted Christians don’t count either.
    
    Where, for example, was the outrage about three Christian Churches being attacked by suicide bombers last weekend in Indonesia?
    
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    May 16, 2018 4:53pm
    - Jack5
      
      Similarly with the Muslim refugees from Myanmar.
      
      Kachin Christians have been persecuted and killed in Myanmar for about 70 years, since they helped the Allies in the Burma jungle war. There are pitiful refugee camps for them in Thailand.
      
      No talk of the UN setting refugee streams of them to the West. Just for Muslims, recently persecuted.
      
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      May 16, 2018 4:56pm
      - cha
        
        The US funds those camps and during the past ten years around 160K ethnic minority Myanmar, mostly Christian, refugees have been admitted to the US.
        
        https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-04/biggest-group-refugees-us-christians-myanmar
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:05pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Mandk says:
        
        To many progressives, persecuted Christians don’t count either.
        
        Where, for example, was the outrage about three Christian Churches being attacked by suicide bombers last weekend in Indonesia
        
        https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4525312,00.html
        
        To many brainwashed Goyim and Zionists, persecuted Christians in Israel don’t count either:
        
        Where, for example, is the outrage from mandk, Lance, Southern Raider & Alimagog about what is happening to Christians at the hands of the Jews in Israel?
        
        There are some 140,000 Christians in Israel, 1.7% of the population. A minority of a minority, exposed to waves of hatred. How can anyone forget the image of Knesset Member Michael Ben-Ari ripping the pages of the New Testament at the Knesset and throwing them into the garbage while uttering harsh words of incitement?
        
        Jews in Israel fire gunshots inside churches and set fire to monasteries, spray-paint malicious graffiti and slash the tires of Christians’ cars. In the Old City of Jerusalem, religious Jews spit on monks, and in Christian cemeteries gravestones are shattered. Death threats are sent to bishops and heads of Christian communities.
        
        Dozens of hate crimes – and the authorities stand idly by, apart from a few words of condemnation to do the minimum
        
        Or is it different when it’s the self proclaimed “chosen ones” are doing the persecuting?
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:36pm
      - mandk
        
        @ EAD_TWO
        
        You never miss an opportunity to denigrate Jews, do you? I guess its because you are a self-confessed Nazi (National Socialist).
        
        But in case your hatred makes it difficult for you to comprehend, let me spell it out for you.
        
        Of course it is utterly deplorable when a minority of Jews (who themselves are despised by most Israelis) abuse Christians and others not of their extreme faith, but you are equating abuse with slaughter.
        
        Is that simple enough for you, meshuganah?
        
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        May 16, 2018 6:23pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        How is reporting the facts “denigrating” Jews mandk?
        
        The truth is you don’t like me reporting on news that doesn’t go through Wetern MSM filtration lens
        
        Just because murders, firebombings and machinegunning of churches, state sanctioned torture, wicked discrimination and racial laws that would make the Nazis blush don’t get reported over here, doesn’t mean the readers shouldn’t know about it.
        
        Unlike say an Arab wearing a kippah in Berlin getting punched which is somehow deemed worthy of global MSM amplification as “news”.
        
        I’m guessing either you’re too old and set in your ways or are perhaps a Chosenite yourself, but you should actually read a bit wider. Read this piece from the Institite of Historical Research…..in full…..and report back to Kiwiblog with your 2 cents:
        
        “What Christians Don’t Know About Israel
        https://www.ihr.org/leaflets/what_christians.shtml
        
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        May 16, 2018 6:56pm
    - cha
      
      Whose outrage?
      
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      May 16, 2018 4:56pm
      - nasska
        
        Get real cha. I can’t stand religion & Christianity comes second on my list of cults to hate but there’s never more than about two lines in the MSM on the frequent occasions when Muslims attack & kill Xtians.
        
        Yet someone chucks a packet of bacon into a mosque & there’s outrage. Some situations & actions deserve being called out & killing people passively worshipping their make-believe deity is one of them.
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:05pm
      - cha
        
        there’s never more than about two lines in the MSM
        
        Arse.
        
        https://www.google.com/search?ei=U737WumvGYS70ASOoo6oDw&q=three+Christian+Churches+attacked+by+suicide+bombers+in+Indonesia+Site%3A.nz&oq=three+Christian+Churches+attacked+by+suicide+bombers+in+Indonesia+Site%3A.nz&gs_l=psy-ab.3…7550.9150.0.9580.4.4.0.0.0.0.254.986.2-4.4.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.254…35i39k1.0.0vK_gZAKYws
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:08pm
      - nasska
        
        Fair point but the coverage was brief. I saw no editorial comment to condemn the actions which had the roles been reversed would have wiped out a couple of medium sized pine plantations worth of newsprint.
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        nasska, crap! This Stuff report is in-depth and much more than brief,
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/103866786/Suicide-bomber-family-hit-Indonesian-churches-11-dead-41-hurt
        
        A letter to the editor by you congratulating them would not go amiss.
        
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        May 16, 2018 6:21pm
    - realityczech
      
      mandk
      You never miss an opportunity to denigrate Muslims, do you? I guess its because you are a self-confessed Nazi (National Socialist).
      
      But in case your hatred makes it difficult for you to comprehend, let me spell it out for you.
      
      Of course it is utterly deplorable when a minority of Muslims (who themselves are despised by most Muslims) abuse Christians and others not of their extreme faith, but you are equating abuse with slaughter.
      
      Is that simple enough for you, untermensch?
      
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      May 16, 2018 7:08pm
      - mandk
        
        Another libel from you, Kea.
        
        I’ve challenged you three times already to show where I have denigrated Muslims, but you just run away.
        
        Coward.
        
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        May 16, 2018 9:35pm
Nostradamus

Redbaiter and Pete George exchange pleasantries on Twitter:

Redbaiter: Since when has the simpering & vapid Peter George ever stood against the speech and thought police? He’s enthusiastically bought into the East German neo-Stasi mindset from the get go.

Pete George: Hi Red, haven’t seen you around for a while. How’s your revolution coming along? Your twenty year plan must be just about done.

Redbaiter: Hi Mr. George. Whatever happened to your ideal and your banner with its self contradicting proclamation “Free speech for those who don’t threaten free speech.”?

Pete George: It’s working very well. Thanks for asking.

Redbaiter: Don’t bother with blogs anymore. Prefer to deal only with Twitter tyrants rather than subjecting my views to censorship by likes of self important hypocritical blog owners, their ever whining patrons & their insipid childlike demands to be kept free of any semblance of “offence”.

This is too beige (even by Pete George standards). Hopefully they can go for a few more rounds until someone has a bruised nose!
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May 16, 2018 5:01pm
- nasska
  
  Baity’s turned into a big girl’s blouse. The time away from KB has softened him. 🙂
  
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  May 16, 2018 5:07pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Didn’t he get married about the time he left KB nasska? ?
    
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    May 16, 2018 5:09pm
    - nasska
      
      I guess anything’s possible but that’s highly improbable. Imagine wedded bliss Baity style: 🙂
      
      “You burnt the toast you homo, knuckle-dragging, Marxist, leftist scum”.
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:16pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Mr and Mrs Redbaiter would make a fantastic movie sequel to Mr and Mrs Smith!
        
        Mr. & Mrs. Smith is a 2005 American action comedy film directed by Doug Liman and written by Simon Kinberg. The film stars Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie as a bored upper-middle class married couple surprised to learn that they are assassins belonging to competing agencies, and that they have been assigned to kill each other.
        
        There’s so much plot potential in a clash of Conservative (Mr Redbaiter) and Liberal Lefty (Mrs Redbaiter) – and an Oscar gong awaits!
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:25pm
  - stigie
    
    Bring back Reddy for all night fun and debauchery !~
    
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    May 16, 2018 5:33pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      If you’re wanting all-night fun and debauchery, Stigie, don’t you mean Dad? He knows a lot about what some high-profile people have gotten up to!
      
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      May 16, 2018 5:49pm
      - stigie
        
        Dad did say it would all be revealed in his book along with other debauched material that he had.
        Guess we’ll just have to wait and see what comes up.
        According to Dad, good things take time and im sure you will be getting the first copy Nostra, hopefully before we get too bloody old to read !~
        
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        May 16, 2018 5:58pm
- 4077th
  
  Red’s last comment applies to more than one blog, this one excluded.
  
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  May 16, 2018 5:10pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

She wasn’t originally scheduled to be in my list this year (not a favourite of mine) but after some comments in recent days, this is dedicated to Longknives. So here’s Lorde with Perfect Places: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0DjcsK_-HY
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May 16, 2018 5:52pm
- cmm
  
  How is that NZ Music?
  
  She might be from NZ, but the music wasn’t recorded here.
  
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  May 16, 2018 5:57pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Yep, and if someone released a live Ed Sheeran album when he toured here recently it wouldn’t be NZ music. And Dusty in Memphis did not make her American either.
    
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    May 16, 2018 6:07pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  That is shit. Next thing you know someone will have lyrics like “Great Whites have BIG Teeth”
  Get outa here.
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:08pm
- Longknives
  
  Cheers for the dedication Brigitte!
  
  Lorde! I think I remember her..
  Wasn’t she was that one-hit-wonder whose teeny pop career tanked after she starting spouting off her silly adolescent Political views?…
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/mar/19/lorde-us-tour-flops-pop-career
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:21pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha I’d almost forgotten this-
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/lorde-hits-back-at-criticism-of-her-embarrassing-mtv-vmas-performance-20170911-gyex9y.html
    
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    May 16, 2018 6:22pm
    - Brigitte
      
      But what a hit – she got the accolade of a Weird Al cover (Foil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urglg3WimHA). But yeah, I’d rather have a Tadpole or Stellar* any day.
      
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      May 16, 2018 6:31pm
cmm

The wonderful The Tamatoa family discusses their in goings and out goings and can’t make ends meet.

“Our outgoings are bigger than our income”

Why 4 kids?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12052479
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May 16, 2018 5:54pm
- Longknives
  
  They seems like decent folk but why the hell have four kids when you can’t afford them??
  Jesus I’d love to have ten kids-But my wife and I carefully planned and budgeted for what we could afford..(And had kids later once we had paid off Student Loans, most the Mortgage etc)
  It’s called Personal Responsibility.
  The Left aren’t big on that though are they?..
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:26pm
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    I met a family with 12 yesterday.
    This family is at least trying to support their kids.
    Unlike many others…
    
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    May 16, 2018 6:53pm
realityczech

It should be a criminal offence to allow Catholics unsupervised assess to children.

Catholic priest charged with child rape says it ‘happened by accident’
‘I can’t recall all the circumstances, but it was simply a misunderstanding’ says John A Sarro

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/catholic-priest-child-rape-accident-sex-abuse-delaware-john-a-sarro-delaware-a8191186.html
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May 16, 2018 6:15pm
- nasska
  
  That’s the end of his career in the Catholic cult. He’ll be defrocked & ostracised.
  
  There he was surrounded by young boys’ bottoms, yet he abused a “girl” !
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:20pm
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    Yes it is unheard of. Generally you must be a homosexual pedophile rapist before they will even consider you for the priesthood.
    
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    May 16, 2018 6:27pm
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      The seminaries will be in for a shake-up.
      
      Surely selection tests & psychological evaluations could weed out the hetero applicants. 🙂
      
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      May 16, 2018 6:34pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Did he have a sexual emergency? Shame on him.
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:21pm
- realityczech
  
  University report lifts the lid on child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church
  
  The research team’s conclusions in this highly readable 379-page document confirm the view of the psychologist Philip Zimbardo that if you find many bad apples in a barrel, there has to be something wrong with the barrel. The pattern of abuse and cover up was the same all over the world.
  
  https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/university-report-lifts-lid-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:35pm
  - realityczech
    
    To think that Catholics go and grovel to these perverts in their ~~kiddy rape chambers~~ churches.
    ——————————————————
    Australia’s most prolific pedophile priest
    
    The true number of victims of Australia’s worst pedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale is believed to be as high as 1000.
    
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-most-prolific-pedophile-priest
    
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    May 16, 2018 6:43pm
EAD_TWO

Looks like EAD has been proved wrong…..

One of my main lines of argument on this blog is that the whole left vs. right (and all the various isism) has been forced on the West since the French Revolution as a means of dividing the populace while other groups act purely in their own interest and tend to speak with one voice.

But it looks like the heavily financed Jewish lobbies (collectively they are worth $37 billion) in the USA are in some serious disagreement:

https://www.jta.org/2018/05/15/news-opinion/united-states/jewish-groups-fighting-private-things-say-public

Three Jewish organizations — the National Council of Jewish Women, the Anti-Defamation League and HIAS — accused the Zionist Organization of America of inappropriately criticizing them; in turn, the ZOA filed complaints against member groups that have yet to be scheduled for hearings.

The complaints range from differences as picayune as who is responsible for anti-Zionist signs at a mass rally to intimations of corrupt intent to allegations of violence…..

HIAS complained about a ZOA letter to the Forward in January of 2017 charging that HIAS invoked “morality” in defending refugees because it receives “millions of dollars” of government grants to resettle refugees — essentially saying it defended refugees out of economic self-interest.

And ADL’s CEO, Jonathan Greenblatt, submitted to the Presidents Conference a six-page letter and an Excel sheet with 36 complaints against ZOA dating back to 2007. Many of the complaints focused on ZOA claims that the ADL was not fulfilling its mission in defending Jews and Israel. In one instance, which the ADL called “grotesque,” Klein complained to the Jerusalem Post in April 2016 about ADL’s criticism of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump’s attacks on refugees.

“The ADL should be fighting anti-Semites and Israel-haters, not helping to bring them to America to join the anti-Israel lobby,” Klein said. “Does the ADL enjoy seeing horrific Muslim activities in Europe against women and others?”

So in summary, one of the Jewish lobbies who spends millions of dollars lobbying to bring more refugees into the USA is in conflict with another Jewish Lobby (who also campaign to bring in more 3rd worlders into the USA) because some of the refugees might be “anti-semites”.

Welcome to Clown World.
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May 16, 2018 6:19pm
- realityczech
  
  The biggest issue is not the Jews but their enablers. Jews are a tribal people who work in their own best interests, as do others. Jews are just better at it.
  
  If Jews were treated like everyone else then they would not have so much power, but nor would they be such a target.
  
  The famous Jewish contempt for non Jews will come back to haunt them yet again. They have learnt nothing from history.
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, where is your National Socialist conference being held at in Auckland?
  
  Will you be a keynote speaker?
  
  Freebie Nazi insignia, flags and copies of Mein Kampf?
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:55pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy, what’s the matter with Nazis are they too moderate compared with your socialist heroes like Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot ?
    
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    May 16, 2018 8:01pm
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      rc , attending? Your specialist topic ? The necessity of Endlösung der Judenfrage ?
      
      Imitating he ravings of Adolf ?
      
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      May 16, 2018 9:19pm
stigie

Interesting, was it a Cardinal or Bishop rc..?
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May 16, 2018 6:21pm
ex-golfer

So the country’s first citizen Shane Jones announced today that the forestry service a launching a website that will count the trees being planted.

Given NZ First haven’t had an operable website since the Govt was formed, I won’t hold my breath.

PS: Yes, I know the only reason NZ First don’t have a website is because they think that means no one will see their pre-election promises and bottom-lines being broken on a daily basis.
Apart from here of course: https://www.interest.co.nz/news/election-2017-policies
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May 16, 2018 6:37pm
- ex-golfer
  
  And here it is:
  https://www.mpi.govt.nz/funding-and-programmes/forestry/planting-one-billion-trees/tracking-progress-of-the-one-billion-trees-programme/
  
  Although all I get is “server error”.
  Must be struggling to count the trees.
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:41pm
- nasska
  
  ….”launching a website that will count the trees being planted.”…..
  
  If they have any trouble getting it up & running perhaps DPF will loan them the counter he has running on this site. 🙂
  
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  May 16, 2018 6:44pm
KevinH

It is an ambitious programme reminiscent of the large scale plantings during the depression era.
The only question that remains unanswered is where exactly are the billion trees going to be planted.
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May 16, 2018 7:31pm
Inandout

Not only priests:

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_25_4/tsc_25_4_gibson_3.shtml
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May 16, 2018 8:02pm
realityczech

Tucker: Looks Like the “Models” Were WRONG

Oh dear turns out the models were wrong after all. At least that is what the “scientists” say.
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  rc , wasn’t aware Tucker Carlson was a Nobel Laureate?
  
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  May 16, 2018 9:11pm
nasska

If a Muslim beats his wife, should he be charged with domestic violence or child abuse?
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May 16, 2018 8:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Following the Koran.
  
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  May 16, 2018 8:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska , no different if it was a Christian or Buddhist, I would say.
  
  Are you thick or something?
  
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  May 16, 2018 9:17pm
Monique Watson

Check out this mongrel’s actions. He was. You guessed it. Out on bail.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11989878&ref=NZH_FBpage
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May 16, 2018 9:02pm
Jack5

A warning for Jacinderella and her minion Winnie!

Argentina’s currency has fallen 22 per cent against the US dollar this month, reports the Telegraph.

It cites as a cause the country’s current account deficit, which has reached 5 per cent of GDP.

Correct me if necessary, but I think NZ’s current account deficit was 2.7 per cent of GDP in the September 2017 quarter.

Let’s hope dairy output and tourism inflow hold up, at least while the US dollar is rising. Too bad we no longer have the lottery dream of a big oil or gas find.
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May 16, 2018 9:09pm
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  I see the Hooerald has reprinted the article.
  
  I’m surprised they are able to lift something from behind the Telegraph paywall while it’s still “hot” as it were. One reason against subscribing to the Telegraph.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12052679
  
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  May 16, 2018 9:45pm

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