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William of Ockham

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https://www.ecowatch.com/utah-climate-change-students-2567578930.html
Utah High Schoolers Convinced State Lawmakers to Admit Climate Change Is Real

Utah’s state lawmakers aren’t exactly friendly to climate change legislation. In 2010, the state legislature overwhelmingly passed a resolution that implied global warming is a conspiracy and urged the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to stop all carbon dioxide reduction policies and programs.

But thanks to a group of fearless high schoolers, Gov. Gary Herbert reversed the 2010 measure this past March, with the support of 75 percent of Republican legislators.

“We, as youth leaders of Utah, have assembled with you, our state leaders, to address what we consider to be the paramount issue of our generation—that of a changing climate,” one student said.

During the 2018 legislative general session, after impassioned testimony from the students, the bill gained traction. It made it out of committee by an 8-2 vote, Green wrote, “then, at last, came success as the House passed the resolution 51-21 and the Senate 23-3.”

Those opposed to the bill included Rep. Mike Noel. As quoted by The Salt Lake Tribute, Noel told the students: “This whole issue of climate change has been used by organizations to fool people.”

The Utah Legislature, however, was no fool.
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May 13, 2018 8:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh shit, GD’s fucked already.
  Can we downtick the Idiot of Ockham out of here by 8.30?
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:02am
  - stephieboy
    
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    18 + downranking fools /idiots!
    
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    May 13, 2018 8:23am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not surprised to learn that stupidboy’s one of the idiot’s two supporters.
      
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      May 13, 2018 8:32am
    - lilman
      
      Fuck up ticked stephie the goat molester by mistake.
      
      Runs to toilet and licks the bowl to get bad taste out of mouth.
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:38am
  - Aliog
    
    All done, Captain!
    
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    May 13, 2018 8:33am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      A medal for that man. Pity we can’t do the same to stephieboy. He just pops back up for more abuse elsewhere.
      
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      May 13, 2018 8:38am
- Simon
  
  We are all doomed unless we listen to Crazy William whose brain has been fried by junk science
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:12am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Simon, morning flat-earther and Venusians are real.
    
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    May 13, 2018 8:25am
    - Simon
      
      Easy off the soy Soyboy. All your soy consumption is effecting you. Look it up. A bit of genuine science for you
      
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      May 13, 2018 9:49am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Done my bit for king and country. Only a few more to go.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:19am
- Harkman
  
  Hugh’s best was 97, that might go today.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:25am
artemisia

Good article on property prices from Owen Vaughan, the Herald’s housing editor.

New Zealanders deserve a better answer than “let’s burn the house down”.

He is correct when he says adding costs – real, or perceived future costs – to property investor means higher rents and some rental property owners leaving the market. Unleashing the beast, he suggests. What will the fiscal impact of that be if demand increases dramatically for emergency and social housing? Not minuscule, that’s for sure.

(He is not correct to say that the tax working group is likely to recommend the ring fencing of tax losses for property investors – that policy has already been announced and will start in 2019.)

Who wants property prices to fall? In New Zealand there have been plenty of commentators, politicians and economists who have argued long and hard that New Zealand’s property market is grossly inflated and needs puncturing.

Certainly, it’s an argument that finds favour among those who are struggling to get a foot on the property ladder – why wouldn’t it? – but it’s an argument that is often rooted in the politics of grievance and is a risky card to play – just look at Brexit and Trump to see what unleashing the beast can lead to.

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/falling-house-prices-are-not-the-answer-34467/?ref=nzhhome
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May 13, 2018 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Tax working group are pure slime. They will use whatever prevailing ills are hurting society and use that as an excuse to sell some nasty class warfare success hating tax
  
  The mongs in Wellington are on a pure revenue gathering exercise.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:19am
duggledog

I might go along to one of Simon Bridges’ public appearances

Would be good to ask him if, in the case of a 2020 win –

– Closed charter schools will be reopened & continued
– Three strikes law will be reinstated (most likely will be removed soon)
– Compulsory Maori in schools will become not compulsory (if implemented before 2020)
– Oil and gas permits will be revived to pre-CoL standard
– The mega prison will be built (if it’s mothballed)
– Parole conditions returned to pre- CoL standard (if relaxed)
– The Akl – Whg four laner will be built
– If we’ll get those tax cuts or if we have to wait another nine years lol
– The substantial monies to the Pacific will be reduced to pre-CoL standard
– The petrol tax will be rescinded
– We will go all out to get back on side with the US & Australia
– We will rescind Maori part ownership of water (if implemented by 2020)
– We will take agriculture out of the ETS (if implemented by 2020)
– We will get back into Five Eyes (if we are kicked out)
– MSD will be forced to return to pre-Sepuloni largesse
– The Value Capture Tax or indeed any new taxes or ‘levies’ will be scrapped
– Industrial relations will be returned to pre CoL standard

And finally if

– He expects us to believe he will do any of the above.

For good reason I have diminishing faith National won’t pull a sickie on at least 50% of the destruction the Marxists are going to unleash

I know National are not going to go any further right than they were under Key but it would be reassuring to know they are not going to be led by the nose even further left like a big dumb Charolais because it’s too hard.

Labour wins long term because they pile on the goodies, the punters get used to them, Nats too scared to reverse them, just go find more money to pay for it. Not a solution.

I think the answer to NZ’s drift left will be remedied by Trump, not any supposedly right wing politician we have currently
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May 13, 2018 8:02am
- Viking2
  
  Basically agree with that sentiment.
  Oh wait there’s K.S. coming.
  Oh and other blinkered Nats following along behind.
  
  Never mind Crusher will be in charge by then.
  
  Here’s read about the weak kneed lot we had. No courage at all.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12044102
  
  Which makes winston Peters right and expalins some of what he has been saying.
  Our biggest company and exporter couldn’t get the PM to leave home for a non photo shoot.
  Hopeless.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:11am
  - wiseowl
    
    Unfortunately caught discussion on red radio about select committee on poverdy .
    Becroft has already been mentioned but Bennet and Upston crowing on about Nationals SOP’s and that Labour hadn’t gone far enough with their coming legislation , had me shaking my head.
    
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    May 13, 2018 8:38am
    - stephieboy
      
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      wiseowl, you seem to tune into Red radio a great deal.
      
      What’s the fetish about?
      
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      May 13, 2018 9:00am
      - wiseowl
        
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        I like listening to silly goats
        
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        May 13, 2018 9:16am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Or perhaps just staying informed about what the politicians are saying – seeing the wall this govt. is driving us into.
        
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        May 13, 2018 1:01pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Man, it was depressing. When I first tuned in I thought ‘sounds like Taxinda’. Then realised it was a different woman, but still assumed ‘Labour’ by the endless virtue signalling. Then she got onto criticising Labour for not going far enough. Until we have clarity on whether National will be measuring real poverty or lowish income ‘poverdee’ (i.e. inequality), it’s hard to know what they really support.
      
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      May 13, 2018 12:59pm
  - Viking2
    
    Nothing like a truth exposure to sort out the meek and mild. No wonder the softcock Nats survive. They need a real leader they do. Someone with Viking ancestry and not beholden to a sky fairy.
    
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    May 13, 2018 12:35pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Well their record on working for families and GST is a big hint for the future. I doubt whether they would roll back any taxes imposed.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:25am
- gorse
  
  I am guessing that the country will be in such a financial mess that they won’t be able to cut back on the taxes, at least for several years. It will take a while to clean this up.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:45am
  - backster
    
    It will be a mess as you say, but it can be cleaned up. Just watch how Trump is doing it in the States.
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:49am
- oldpark
  
  @Duggledog
  Great call. You missed one . Will NZs self appointed Dictator Peters get a State of the Arts Funeral,with a forty mumble gun support, celebrating how he turned NZ into a third world nation of havenots,and no hopers with begging bowls. What a great celebration and a Legacy to behold. Yeah pull the other leg, there are ship loads of scampi clinging to it.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  I know National are not going to go any further right than they were under Key…
  
  National are significantly further to the left of Lange’s Labour government. Our entire political spectrum has been spanning left for decades. And we frogs don’t seem to notice the water getting warmer.
  
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  May 13, 2018 6:25pm
TheFiscalHole

Budget day is nigh! I’m excited to find out how much of me is broken spending promises, how much of me is broken debt reduction promises, and how much of me is broken promises about no new taxes! https://twitter.com/The_Fiscal_Hole/status/994529969484087301?s=19
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May 13, 2018 8:06am
Humble Capitalist

Lees-Galloway announces he wants to double the number of labour inspectors to visit workplaces and that they will be wearing stabproof vests.
These guys will really help business to advance securing greater job security for Kiwis. Yeah right.
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May 13, 2018 8:09am
- Viking2
  
  Bloody good idea. I despise following the rules while my competition employs their staff at half price by using fear.
  
  It’s not Kiwi’s job security that is being challenged but imports being used by those that are happy to exploit them. so that’s what you are in favour of then.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    Will the union reps be given stab proof vests as well to visit all the workplaces.
    
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    May 13, 2018 8:52am
    - VicParking
      
      They wont need them as the union reps will be observing from the ‘Watch Towers’ and from behind the barbed wire.
      
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      May 13, 2018 9:26am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      NAH no need, it will be the union reps handing out the knives.
      
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      May 13, 2018 4:59pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yup have a similar problem.
    Others (some of them big) not following the laws or sliding around them, winning business while I follow the law and advise my customers of the laws relating to their business.
    
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    May 13, 2018 4:58pm
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Apologies for talking showbiz tittle tattle on a politics site but it’s pretty hard to avoid the MSM and their wall to wall coverage of the news “peoples princess” and her upcoming marriage to Harry.

Just before the wedding, it looks like the “princess” (snigger) to be, was a bit of a village bicycle:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5715841/Meghan-Markles-date-porn-star-gaggle-lovers-shes-forget.html#comments

For a man that could have pretty much any girl in the world and having dated a string of young pretty blondes, it baffles me why he is marrying a much older, divorced, c-list actress mulatto who is clearly after the fame and fortune. It is a peculiar decision considering the amount of time they’ve known each other and the magnitude of the decision in his situation.

I wouldn’t be surprised if MI-6 have a little accident planned 🙂
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May 13, 2018 8:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  Give Megan a chance, suggesting she is a gold digger, etc is just tacky and malicious rumour. She is marrying a gorgeous Prince who is clearly in love with her. They are both old enough to know what they are doing. Leave them alone. ?
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:40am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Thankfully that’s one thing our beloved leader doesn’t have to worry about. Clarke would never have done anything that could tarnish the golden one.
    
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    May 13, 2018 8:49am
    - sooty
      
      The other one was as pure as falling snow. The herald says there is a new lovely couple have taken pride of place. Oh, dear. Commie chick and first fish have fallen off the perch.
      
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      May 13, 2018 8:56am
      - RF
        
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        First fish….. Oh how I love that.
        
        You have made my cold dreary day into one of sunshine and love..
        
        With your approval I shall use this in conversation and attribute the source to you.
        
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        May 13, 2018 3:09pm
    - holysheet
      
      The golden one has done enough in her past to out shine him. One is as bad as the other. They are a couple made for each other.
      
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      May 13, 2018 8:59am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Give Megan a chance, suggesting she is a gold digger, etc is just tacky and malicious rumour.
    
    I would actually call it an observation rather than a rumour. An observation based on life experience, understanding of body language and the nature of people.
    
    Let’s agree to disagree while I go get my popcorn and watch this “love story” play itself out 🙂
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:54am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The groom is a ginger, ergo he’s bonkers and bonkers people do strange stuff. Divorced within 9 years and the bimbo going all-in to play a Diana role, trading on her ex-royal status.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:49am
  - waikatogirl
    
    FFS! ? ?
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:03am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , a gross breach of your fantasy Nuremberg Racial laws?
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    SB right for once. EADy is an embarrassing racist OR a troll who wants to bring this site down.
    
    But if you do want to consider melanin levels as some kind of issue, here are the facts, EADles: Harry marrying someone with a bit more melanin is a good idea, because super-pale ginger types don’t age well and have high rates of skin cancer.
    
    Ever heard of hybrid vigour?
    
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    May 13, 2018 1:08pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Ahh Classical Liberal – you never fail to disappoint with your “the only difference between races is the amount of sunlight”.
      
      Thousands of years of evolution in separate totally different environments be damned!
      
      Are you a creationist?
      
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      May 13, 2018 7:12pm
- Longknives
  
  EAD- I’m always very dubious of Reality TV Show ‘I’ll do anything to be famous’ D-list types….
  
  Thankfully none of our leaders would be stupid enough to get involved with one of these wannabe Kardashians. (who brag about their sexual conquests and do anything they can for publicity)
  
  Oh wait…
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:18am
  - SGA
    
    I’m always very dubious of Reality TV Show ‘I’ll do anything to be famous’ D-list types….
    
    meh – Markle had a lead role in a major TV series, so you a bit off target there.
    
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    May 13, 2018 10:43am
- dime
  
  Megan dated a guy who did gay porn lol
  
  Shes fake as fuck.
  
  Never marry an actress
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:24am
  - VicParking
    
    Dime dated Stephie and had a goat orgy. See I can make up shit too (Or did I) ???
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:31am
    - dime
      
      isnt there proof that she dated the guy?
      
      he did gay porn. that bit is a fact.
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:08am
      - VicParking
        
        There is no proof that you dated Stephie.
        There is no proof that you had a goat Orgy
        But CNN said it so it must be true
        
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        May 13, 2018 11:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    dime, Prince Rainier and Grace Kelly (actress) seemed to manage well enough?
    A few days ago a woman on TV intoned negatively that Megan was “just acting in love”. How is Megan supposed to act, when she is in love!?
    
    I’m just saying how would you like it if everyone judged the woman you loved as “fake as fuck”? Marriage is hard enough without others undermining what you have together…
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:38am
    - dime
      
      shes trash.
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:07am
      - holysheet
        
        Who, Your wife?
        
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        May 13, 2018 10:20am
      - dime
        
        holysheet – epic comeback. ill never recover.
        
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        May 13, 2018 10:41am
  - Longknives
    
    In my younger (when I was fitter and better looking) days I went out with a wannabe ‘Actress’ for a while.
    She was on one of NZ’s first Reality TV shows and she was freaking desperate to be famous.
    Her whole life revolved around famous people she had met, famous people she had shagged, what parties she got invited to, and (most disturbingly) millionaires who bought her mysterious ‘presents’..
    She was basically a high class hooker- Her whole life (and her ‘friends’ who surrounded her) was absolutely fake. As such I have a pretty low opinion of the ‘Fame Whore’/Reality TV kind of person..
    
    *I reconnected with her on Facebook a while back and she seems to have landed herself an extremely wealthy sugar daddy…Guess it worked out for her in the end but Jesus what a price to pay..
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:48am
    - waikatogirl
      
      LK, sounds like you had a lucky escape there! Shallow, vain people are definitely not my cup of tea either. ?
      
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      May 13, 2018 9:56am
      - Longknives
        
        I was never going to marry her Waikatogirl! To say she was pretty High Maintainence is an understatement- My credit card took a hammering!
        
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        May 13, 2018 10:13am
      - VicParking
        
        And I had high hopes for us, Care to go out for coffee then.
        
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        May 13, 2018 11:41am
      - RF
        
        Longknives.
        
        I trust the mattress got a decent hammering as well. Every cloud has a silver lining…
        
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        May 13, 2018 3:14pm
    - holysheet
      
      The gender neutral name for a sugar daddy is glucose guardian.
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    Anyone who thinks this marriage will last is living in a fantasy world. Both parties are blinded and dazzled by the other’s glitter. They haven’t had time for reality to set in yet.
    
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    May 13, 2018 12:12pm
    - RF
      
      Are we discussing the commie chick and first fish ?
      
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      May 13, 2018 3:15pm
- redeye
  
  Where is the article highlighting Harry’s list of conquests? I remember him running around naked in a Las Vegas hotel room, or something like that. It seems he’s had an enjoyable bachelorhood.
  I agree with waikatogirl, they’re both educated adults.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:43am
- Huevon
  
  Looks like she’s had more blokes than I’ve had hot dinners.
  
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  May 13, 2018 10:12am
- MrLovebucket
  
  What’s the difference between my computer and Princess Diana?
  
  I cared when my computer crashed.
  
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  May 13, 2018 10:49am
- cha
  
  mulatto
  
  It gets better.
  
  LONDON — Kensington Palace says the head of the Episcopal Church, the Most Rev. Michael Bruce Curry, will speak at the wedding of Prince Harry and American actress Meghan Markle.
  
  […]
  
  Curry is the first African-American to have served as presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, an offshoot of the Church of England in the United States. It is part of the worldwide Anglican Communion.
  
  https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-bishop-michael-curry-to-speak-at-royal-wedding/
  
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  May 13, 2018 3:02pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    What’s the matter with the factually correct term Mulatto?
    
    Or are you one of these imbeciles that force people to “identify”
    
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mulatto
    
    FWIW – the factually correct term for any sprogs they might have is a “quadroon”.
    
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    May 13, 2018 7:15pm
Dave_1924

I wonder who this is and why he sacrificed his life in this manner?

Paris hit again….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5721939/French-police-shoot-knifeman-launched-attack-bystanders-Paris.html
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May 13, 2018 8:34am
- Longknives
  
  Lone Wolf the Radio is saying.
  *Nothing to see here…
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:09am
- VicParking
  
  For 72 virgins, why not they should all try it
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:33am
- simpleton1
  
  «Allah Akbar» The shouting that was heard !
  “DIRECT ?? Paris : L’auteur de l’attaque a hurlé «Allah Akbar» lors de l’attaque selon nos informations.”
  
  https://twitter.com/Actu17/status/995393883621216256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fheavy.com%2Fnews%2F2018%2F05%2Fparis-mass-stabbing-video%2F&tfw_creator=heavysan&tfw_site=heavysan
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  22h30. Selon nos informations, l’auteur de l’attaque qui est décédé est d’origine nord-africaine, âgé d’environ 25 ans.
  https://actu17.fr/paris-un-homme-a-poignarde-plusieurs-personnes-au-hasard-en-pleine-rue-au-moins-un-mort-et-plusieurs-blesses/
  North African man 25 years old.
  
  22h45. Comme nous l’avons indiqué ci-dessous, les policiers de la police-secours 23 (du 2ème et 3ème arrondissement) arrivés rapidement sur les lieux des faits, ont d’abord tenté de neutraliser l’auteur de l’attaque avec un taser, sans réussite.
  
  L’homme qui s’est alors jeté sur eux a été neutralisé par balles par les fonctionnaires selon nos informations.
  
  It was reported that police first tried to subdue the suspect, who has not yet been identified, with a taser, but it was ineffective in stopping the man. He allegedly yelled, “”Kill me or I kill you, ACTU17 said and then “threw himself on” police and then was shot and killed.
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  Nothing to see here, nothing to hear ? so nothing was said?
  A lone wolf?
  or a known wolf?
  His blood will now atone for up to 70 of his relatives, so that they can miss out on going to hell,
  He gain 1000’s of servants and riches, and of course be with virgins
  
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  May 13, 2018 10:00am
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Netenyahu has just warned Putin that Iran wants to destroy “6 millions Jews”:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-09/netanyahu-meets-putin-as-russia-debates-deal-for-syrian-missiles

It never gets old does it – for centuries Jewish leaders been using the 6 million number as a bogeyman number to whip up fear amongst the general Jewish population.

For those new to this topic, I suggest watching this documentary as a starter for 10 which shows that the six-million figure dates back to the late 1800s, when Jewish pressure groups were targeting czarist Russia for its anti-Jewish stance, accusing Russia of oppressing and persecuting the six million Jews in Russia, and adopting a “solution” to its “Jewish question” which allegedly consisted of outright extermination.

Claims that six million Jews in Europe were suffering to such a degree that millions had died already, while many more millions would face a lingering death, climaxed for the first time during fundraising campaign that started during the FIRST World War and reached its peak in the early and mid-1920s. The “New York Times” was the main vehicle for such propaganda, which also included well-known buzzwords such as “annihilation,” “extermination” and even the term “holocaust.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBnMtkbWPCs
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May 13, 2018 8:59am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , a garbage response dear to your heart,
  
  Barbara Ann Nowak
  Barbara Ann Nowak
  1 year ago
  I’m finishing autobiography: Last Taboos: Save White Race – Expose Jews. It rhymes! This is absolutely priceless and should be mandatory reading for all the world instead of their faked Anne Frank lesbian who died from lice. Not my kind of mentor for my granddaughter. I will include this in my book under ” Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha 6,000,000 Jews!” They used that number to get us to “feel sorry.” It’s their greatest weapon. The gal that read it did a superb job and should be applauded. I studied PowerPoint in the Microsoft Suite, but didn’t get to use it. She did a marvelous presentation of her slides. Totally entertaining, and put very serious information in an enjoyable form.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:05am
  - kevn
    
    @septicboy… You are an odd one aren’t you.
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:15am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Pretty sure SB is being sarcastic. Trying to deal to EAD’s racism is tiring.
      
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      May 13, 2018 1:14pm
- logan0312
  
  There is more evidence of the persecution and murder of Jews by Nazi Germany than there is for any other event in modern history. The evidence comes from records recovered from the Nazis, testimony by the survivors, allies, and the criminals themselves.
  The figure of 6 million is the best available estimate of the number murdered. Given that the Nazis purposely did not keep comprehensive records of their actions in this regard, and the absence of comprehensive census data in the occupied countries as to the number of Jews it is impossible for us to determine precise numbers, but the Nazis themselves arrived at a number of over 5 million some months before the end of the war.
  Not to accept the murder of European Jewry is factual suggests to me that you have lost touch with both truth itself and reality. To suggest that this persecution is a fiction used to manipulate public opinion is a cheap shot (to say the least), and totally unworthy of respect in the circumstances.
  Similar comments could be made about the reality of other Eastern European persecution of Jews before WW2.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:23am
  - Aliog
    
    You’re wasting your time, Logan – EAD is a sad and sick racist, Jew-hating fuckwit without an original thought in his head. He cuts and pastes from loony far-right sites.
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:29am
    - logan0312
      
      I guessed something along those lines.
      I have this theory that those who are the most ardent deniers of these truths are the same as those who desire to finish the job Hitler started…
      
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      May 13, 2018 9:42am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “EAD is a sad and sick racist,”
      
      Or a troll trying to put this site into ill-repute. I mean it. Why else would someone write the horrible s**t he keeps posting?
      
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      May 13, 2018 1:16pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Here’s the thing Logan,
    
    It is now 2018, 73 years after the war ended and Israel alone is home to over 200,000 Holocaust survivors:
    
    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Holocaust-entitlement-Unclaimed-millions-available-to-Israels-survivors-504915
    
    Now remember the stories that dem Nazis allegedly “exterminated all the children and elderly” and I’ll be generous and say the average of “survivors” was 25 meaning the average age of survivors in Israel is 98……
    
    So out of a total European Jewry population in Nazi occupied Europe of less than 10M, we still have 200k survivors in Israel alone + hundreds of thousands in other countries, most notably America and Europe (where many more emigrated to) + the millions who, by the law of statistics have died of natural causes between the end of WWII and the present day.
    
    Hardly the kind of numbers that suggest “6 million” died or indicate that Nazi Germany set out to “exterminate” European Jewry now is it?
    
    But I’ve discussed this topic enough here on GD so will leave it at that.
    
    I just thought it noteworthy that up came the magic 6 million number again like it has been since the 1800’s.
    
    EDIT: @ Aligog (Alimagog?) – thanks for your well reasoned, thoughtful response. My source for he above post was was that “looney, far-right” website, “Bloomberg”.
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:41am
    - logan0312
      
      The trouble is mate that I don’t think you are open to reason on this subject.
      As I suggest there is overwhelming proof of this crime from all available records and testimony. Books could be written to refute the nonsense you have embraced, all the way from Hitlers Mein Kampf to the Nuremberg trials and beyond. The evidence is simply conclusive, and nothing you have said in anyway refutes it. For example (only a relatively minor one): If there was no plan to exterminate the Jews explain Himmler’s address to the assembled SS and political leaders at Posen in October 1943. Explain Adolf Eichmann’s testimony at Jerusalem prior to and during his trial in the early 1960s – or Rudolf Hoess’s testimony (among others) at Nuremberg.
      As I said books could be written to refute your position but I doubt you would even consider those arguments. You are in thrall to a worldview that makes black white and vice versa. There is actually no reasoning with you IMO.
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:14am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        You are in thrall to a worldview that makes black white and vice versa.
        
        Look. In. The. Mirror
        
        I started off believing the published version of events and was able to change my mind through considering the counter view-point.
        
        You my friend, are so wedded to your world view, any counter argument is heresy. I’m actually amazed you didn’t call me a “denier” – most people who are so wedded or invested in a theory usual resort to such tactics?
        
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        May 13, 2018 10:37am
      - Jack5
        
        EAD_TWO: The Nazis lost, move on.
        
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        May 13, 2018 12:02pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The Nazis lost, move on
        
        You are right Jack and we all suffer for it, as predicted by dem Nazis, to this very day.
        
        A world drowning in unpayable to debt to faceless Bankers, boys getting fed oestrogen as they “transition” to females, homosexual “marriage”, our towns and cities overrun by foreign hordes who rape our women, terrorism, degeneracy, ugly architecture, vomit passing as art, legalised prostitution, history reinvented and the stifling of free speech & threat of arrest if y0u point any of this out.
        
        Sure glad “we” won aye Jack?
        
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        May 13, 2018 10:54pm
- VicParking
  
  He was wrong the figure should be 8.5 million
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:35am
- Wangas Feral
  
  I don’t normally do ad hominem but in your case I will make an exception. You really are a dick head.
  
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  May 13, 2018 10:13am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Just curious – what’s with the name Wangas Feral?
    
    How did you come up with that moniker?
    
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    May 13, 2018 10:40am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Because I am a feral from Wanganui.
      
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      May 13, 2018 11:08am
      - VicParking
        
        And the IQ of both Whanganui and Auckland was raised when you left
        
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        May 13, 2018 11:45am
Chris R

Thanks to having a Labour-led gang of fools at the helm I notice that “envy creep” is alive and well. The stick it to the “rich pricks” through taxation is afoot and this morning there was a graphic exposition of it on Newstalk. At 6am the news led with the fact that $18,000,000 had been won at Lotto on a ticket bought in the “affluent, leafy suburb of Remuera.” Now if the ticket had been bought in Mangere the headline would’ve been “we hope the money has been won by those poor people there who really need it.” I surmise that the winner in Remuera has more than equal odds of turning $18,000,000 in to $100,000,000 rather than pissing it in a casino somewhere!
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May 13, 2018 9:00am
- Longknives
  
  “At 6am the news led with the fact that $18,000,000 had been won at Lotto on a ticket bought in the “affluent, leafy suburb of Remuera.”
  
  Jacinda and Robbo’s ears will have pricked up at that!
  There will be a phone call this morning ‘Can I slam a tax on Lotto winnings?’
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:12am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Human nature likes a fairy tale and we do prefer to hear stories of big wins going to less affluent places.
  
  Realistically, an already well off winner in Remuera can be just as charitable with this wonderful prize as any other winner. In fact, they are probably more likely to help vulnerable groups using methods that actually get them out of poverty than simply encourage more addiction to welfare.
  
  Teach a man to fish, feed him for his lifetime. Give him a fish and he and following generations will just expect you to keep giving them fish.
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:46am
holysheet

My Scottish mate is so tight that he got himself tasered by the police to try and charge his iPhone.
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May 13, 2018 9:01am
- kevn
  
  @Holy… My brother-in-law is so tight he squeaks when he walks. True. Tight as, it has become an art form to him.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:14am
Harkman

Dopey Dann criticised National in his opening monologue for not supporting the money wasting light rail to Auckland airport.

Lees-Galloway claimed collective agreements increase productivity. Utter bullshit. State sector workers produce nothing.

Dopey Dann always confuses real with nominal wages.

New enemy = small business. Doublespeak they also want start ups to succeed, ha.

Unfettered union access to work places. This government is trapped in the early 20th century.
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May 13, 2018 9:10am
- Harkman
  
  Galloway, “I’ve got a really good relationship with Business NZ.” Business NZ might be drunk if that is the case or he is lying.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:12am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “I’ve got a really good relationship with Business NZ.”
    I don’t know of any hooker called “Business NZ”
    But he surely with these policies can’t be referring to actual business’ in NZ.
    
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    May 13, 2018 5:08pm
- Harkman
  
  Blah, blah “the last government failed to invest in the regions.”
  
  “We don’t have a hard target for immigration numbers.” I saw the last election “30-40,000” was the figure stated.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:17am
- Harkman
  
  Sue Bradford is unhappy about the proposed workplace legislation.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:22am
  - Longknives
    
    Has Sue Bradford ever been ‘Happy’ about anything in her entire miserable lifetime?
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:37am
    - Harkman
      
      No ?
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:15am
    - RF
      
      Longknives…
      
      I still dine out about the time many years ago when I was a member of NZs finest, I made Sue squeal.
      
      No… not with ecstasy!!!!!
      
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      May 13, 2018 3:23pm
- Harkman
  
  Great, state subsidies to the racing industry. Horse racing is so corrupt, drugged up horses, the story back in the 90s was that body builders and 100m sprinters were copying whatever horse trainers were doing.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:38am
  - Longknives
    
    It’s the ‘Sport of Kings’ Harkman.
    What miserable existence you must lead if you’ve never enjoyed a day at the races..
    
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    May 13, 2018 10:16am
    - Harkman
      
      Didn’t say I dislike the races Longknives, just it is horribly corrupt. The problem is the TAB monopoly and the massive track take.
      
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      May 13, 2018 10:13pm
MCos

God smiled down on Israel Folau last evening.
It’s a pity the rest of the team were on the outer.
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May 13, 2018 9:11am
- Longknives
  
  It amuses me that NZ Sports Media and players are slamming Folau in unison!
  
  Yet this guy (who has openly shown his support for Muslim Hate Preachers) is celebrated for being ‘His own Man’-
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11884482
  
  “Off the field, I applaud the fact he’s a devout Muslim, .”
  
  “I love that he’s unique, a point of difference..”
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:23am
EAD_TWO

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
https://forward.com/news/national/400597/is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/

The Jewish Daily Forward is going after everyone’s favourite alt-light commentator Jordan Peterson accusing him of being literally Hitler and “inspiring neo-nazis” after writing this article and not deleting the comments that challenged Peterson’s orthodoxy:

https://jordanbpeterson.com/psychology/on-the-so-called-jewish-question/#comment-3820534634

I’ll save you the pain of reading the JDF’s article but it can be summed up as follows:

Yadda-yadda “neo-Nazis, white supremacists and conspiracy theorists”
Yadda-yadda “conspiracy theorist”
Yadda-yadda “far right”
Yadda-yadda “global Jewish influence”
Yadda-yadda “anti-Semitic”
Yadda-yadda “anti-Semitism”
Yadda-yadda ”the Holocaust”
Yadda-yadda “neo-Nazis”
Yadda-yadda “frustrated young men looking for a scapegoat”
Yadda-yadda “importance of anti-Semitism in the Holocaust”
Yadda-yadda “conspiracy theorists and bigots”
Yadda-yadda “Jew hatred”
Yadda-yadda “white supremacists”
Yadda-yadda “pathology of racial pride,”
Yadda-yadda “white nationalism”
Yadda-yadda “Jewish influence”
Yadda-yadda “far right’s anti-Semitic conspiracy theories”
Yadda-yadda “far-righters and their idiot anti-Semitism”
Yadda-yadda “Jewish success”
Yadda-yadda “Holocaust denier”
Yadda-yadda “Auschwitz”
Yadda-yadda “the Nazis”
Yadda-yadda “Hitler”
Yadda-yadda “Nazi”
Yadda-yadda “the Holocaust”
Yadda-yadda “‘alt-right,’”
Yadda-yadda “suspicious of Jews”
Oy Vey!! “Jewish geniuses”
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May 13, 2018 9:16am
- Johnboy
  
  Oy Vey!!!! Reid……You’re starting to look a tad like Penny’s replacement! 🙂
  You need a quiet Steinie at the Lighthouse old chap!
  Give me a call. 🙂
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:21am
dime

Dime has just discovered – The Great Courses Plus.

People are calling it the netflix or learning.

I googled discount codes cause im a scumbag and signed up.

Some great courses on there. in depth. Experts in their fields etc

Started a 25 lecture course on the founding fathers of the US. pretty good.

Each lecture is only 30 mins.

Not an ad, just something cool i found
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May 13, 2018 9:30am
- Longknives
  
  I’m a bit of a History nerd as well- Will check it out..
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:36am
- VicParking
  
  Lecture 45 is on Trump. I bet you can hardly wait.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:40am
  - dime
    
    i have the lotion ready
    
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    May 13, 2018 10:09am
Manolo

Deep State vs Trump:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/lawmakers-weigh-plan-b-protect-mueller-s-work-n873241

If Congress can’t protect special counsel Robert Mueller’s job, perhaps it can protect his work.

That’s the thinking among several lawmakers on Capitol Hill, who are discussing ways to safeguard the special counsel’s investigation into possible ties between the Trump 2016 campaign and Russia amid President Donald Trump’s escalating attacks.
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May 13, 2018 9:31am
- Harkman
  
  If Jeff Sessions resigned tomorrow, 70% of Trump’s would disappear like that. Sessions is the problem.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:41am
- Ross12
  
  Why would they want to protect an incompetent lot like Mueller and his team?
  Turns out one of the Russian companies they indicted with their sham “demonstration” that they were making progress did not even exist at the time they said the crimes took place.
  
  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/mueller-team-becomes-national-joke-special-counsel-charged-russian-company-not-in-existence-at-time-of-charge/
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:42am
  - softail 1450
    
    ross12 ,b. and one of those companies is actually lawyering up and has asked for full disclosure from mueller and his team,,,,,,ha ha ha good luck getting that ,the US congress cant even obtain that information.
    
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    May 13, 2018 2:21pm
fluffykiwi

Interesting on Whaleoil, the name Soimon is acceptable but Twitford is not.
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May 13, 2018 9:35am
- Inandout
  
  But…. Sir C S did prostrate himself at the Altar of Slater. Cam doesn’t like Simon, so no surprises there.
  
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  May 13, 2018 9:58am
- rockape
  
  And dare say anything about near pensionage judith Collins and your banned. I know, I did I am!
  
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  May 13, 2018 1:45pm
Gravelroad

Have been trapped into watching Q+A this morning which I usually avoid like the plague.
“Who’s that guy”? asks Other Half.
Dunno really but think it might be a Lees Galloway.
“What does he do? Is he a union boss?”
Think he is the Minister for something.
“Never. He can’t be a Cabinet minister surely. He doesn’t seem to know anything.”
Yep. Stunned silence.
Now onto Winstone 1st’s beat up about horse racing.
OH gone burger.
I can go back to watching the golf.
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May 13, 2018 9:36am
- MCos
  
  I’m always amused by the large number of people who watch some TV programme or other, but go to great lengths to point out that it was by shear chance as if others should think poorly of them.
  Personally I think it’s the people who criticize something they haven’t seen or read who sound foolish.
  “I’ve never watched TV1 News because it’s so terrible”
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:15am
Kabull

Has anyone else had the impact of the about-to-be implemented European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (effective from 25 May) brought to their attention? I discovered it when a popular maritime forum I have followed for years stopped operating with the following message:

“We are currently evaluating whether we have the resources to continue this forum after GDPR is enacted on 25th May 2018.
While we hope to continue, the expense and risks are probably too great to provide a live forum. We hope to at least provide an archive of what was over a decade worth of posts and photos as a static website.”

It looks like this draconian EU dictate will have many unintended or unexpected consequences. The reach of the rule is pervasive: “This means that any company, anywhere, that has a database that includes EU citizens is bound by its rules. Businesses of all sizes are affected-from micro to multinational.No one is exempt.”

See here for a good summary: https://martechtoday.com/guide/gdpr-the-general-data-protection-regulation
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May 13, 2018 9:41am
Harriet

Meaghan dated a porn star?

Harry’s biggest worry is uncle Andrew. 😎
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May 13, 2018 9:55am
- holysheet
  
  Are you sure?
  There was a touching moment at Buckingham Palace today, when Prince Louis and Prince Phillip both shat themselves at the same time.
  
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  May 13, 2018 10:30am
Manolo

stephieboy would agree: this is another lone-wolf strike, because Islam is the true religion of peace.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-knife-attack-latest-stab-victims-police-shooting-opera-district-france-french-a8348976.html

Police have shot a man who launched a knife attack in Paris dead after he killed at least one person and injured four others.

A witness told The Independent the assailant was shouting “Allahu akbar” and trying to get into restaurants as diners barricaded the doors.
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May 13, 2018 9:59am
- simpleton1
  
  A lone-wolf, a known wolf.
  Mohammad did say “We will be victorious by terror”
  Surely a kindly imam (elder) would have explained that it was a shibboleth of a verse.
  
  The police only shot him because the kindly taser had no effect.
  So he launched himself on them It is so very strange these police were allowed to be armed, so they were able to shoot him.
  Just why were the police armed when very pious religious people walk the streets?
  The police should not be worried about pious pilgrims on their journey to atonement, as they should recognize those joyous words of “Allahu Akbar” 🙂
  
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  May 13, 2018 10:24am
Anne Glen Eden

HdPA says:

*“First, there’s the broken promise to cut doctors fees by $10 for low-income earners. Labour says there isn’t the cash, so that will have to wait for next year.
*Far more quietly, Labour has also delayed the promise of giving pensioners extra money to help heat their homes this winter.
*Then, Labour has broken the promise of no extra taxes by increasing fuel excise and adding GST to offshore online purchases. It looks like Labour’s scratching around trying to find whatever extra revenue it can, just to make ends meet.”

I would add:
*As far as new homes go, it’s been a constantly shifting scenario of increased pricing outside of the range of the target market, probably inferior quality, and a non-means tested ballot system to allocate them – with the goal shifted to a ten-year plan. Just as many ‘homeless’ people will be living in state-funded motels.
* There’s the financing of the ‘favoured’ groups with the requisite image like ‘Women’s Refuge’ who might do stuff for abused adults (most particularly, ‘women’), at least temporarily, but very little for the most necessary group, abused children and nothing to stop the generational progression.
*Billions poured into advisory groups and consultants – now also to overseas interests to suit Winston Peters.
* University students with free education who, by comparison, really don’t need it as much as others need food, shelter, and medical treatment – but those students are narcissistic voters with a chip on their shoulder.
*Promiscuity needs a boost as well, with increasing diseases and unwanted conceptions which require more abortions in ‘health care’ to facilitate all the ‘right’ lifestyles.
*While the elderly are literally left to rot to death, tied to beds with maggots in their wounds, lying in faeces and more children are abused to death by monsters.

The truth is, Labour were always liars, experts at marketing spin and feeding people’s worst weaknesses, and those who voted for them were naïve and gullible, following the Pied Piper into the hole in the mountain. The costs of those broken promises will impact most heavily on the less well-off – those they claimed to be championing. And those costs are escalating, not least the price of oil/fuel.

They always make the same types of promises and they always break them, always for the same reasons – ‘It’s worse than we thought’, ‘We never meant it would be done in one term’, ‘It will take ten years (when they’re not in government, so never)’, ‘It’s all the previous government’s fault’, ‘We need an inquiry’. You could have made a video tape several decades ago and just replay it after every election.

It was just empty lies and wishful thinking, a mixed fairy-tale with the requisite ‘Princess’ and her ‘frog’, and an adoring public exclaiming at their wondrous and non-existent ‘wardrobe’.
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May 13, 2018 10:23am
Fletch

The bombshell reported yesterday in the Wall Street Journal that you probably haven’t heard about is that the Obama Administration may have planted an FBI mole into Trump’s campaign.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?

And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

(behind paywall) – https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1
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May 13, 2018 10:45am
- Fletch
  
  Former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino thinks it is true.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4PXqdit6Ks
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:01am
- Ross12
  
  Fletch
  It also looks like the UK intelligence were in the thick of it more was first thought.
  
  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/12/hindsight-revelations-devin-nunes-april-22nd-there-were-no-official-intelligence-channels-used-to-start-trump-investigation/
  
  People have said this like Watergate on steroids. I think someone clever with words is going to have to come up with a phrase that dramatically tops that.
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:12am
Fletch

So this govt is thinking of implementing the new speed cameras that snap a picture of you between two points on your journey and then calculate if you have been speeding….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12049540&ref=NZH_fb

More revenue collecting. I guess they have to find some way to pay for Kiwibuild.
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May 13, 2018 10:58am
- stigie
  
  “Kiwibuy” Fletch !~
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:03am
- holysheet
  
  Don’t tell them about this then;
  
  They’re thinking about installing the latest speed camera technology on the Auckland motorway.
  What a fucking waste of public money. They would rake it in if they introduced parking fines.
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:13am
Jack5

There’s a great obituary of Fergie McCormick behind the paywall in the Telegraph.

It does the tough little fullback proud, and includes this:

“One rugby writer said: ‘His torso was basically a concrete block inside a footy jersey.’ “

It recounts his 55-yard dropped goal against Wales at Eden Park and his mentoring of fellow Canterbury man Steve Hansen.

Another taste:

“Even though he took up place-kicking late in his career, he scored 2,065 points with his boot, more than Don Clarke.”

The Telegraph is well known for its obituaries, but this one surely was written by, or heavily contributed to, by an NZ journo.

If the Hooerald or Stuff were smart, they would negotiate with the Telegraph to reprint it.
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May 13, 2018 11:16am
Johnboy

Wonderful to see that the best MP that Hutt South/Pencarrow has ever had is being noticed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12049567
Chris will be PM one day mark my words! 🙂
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May 13, 2018 11:17am
- Jack5
  
  It’s an interesting article, Johnboy.
  
  I found interesting how Adams and Tolley missed a good attack opportunity, and Paula Bennett trapping herself with a tweet.
  
  Could Bridges’, Bennett’s, and Adams’ future hang on their Budget attack?
  
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  May 13, 2018 11:27am
  - Johnboy
    
    I think their futures are assured as gas hits $3.00/$3.50 a litre shortly under this COL disaster and the peasants start to see the reality of Winstons blundering at the supermarket and the BP! 🙂
    
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    May 13, 2018 11:32am
    - DigNap15
      
      Not really.
      The COL has given out so much free money to losers that they will be more popular than ever.
      
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      May 13, 2018 1:28pm
- niggly
  
  Strange article from Audrey Young, so much to criticise but here’s one:
  
  In the meantime, others have been running the battle over the Budget in a bid to counter the Government’s relentless narrative that after “Nine years of Neglect”, Labour has been left to address various crises in health, education and housing.
  
  You got to be kidding – are the Labour COL still that desperate?
  
  There was not a peep from Labour over the last 9-10 years about there being a “crisis in health and education” – Labour never framed it that way and here they are today, still in “Opposition mode” (despite being the Govt) now inventing a non-existent narrative as being the “truth” and the stupid MSM lap it up.
  
  Sure Labour claimed there was a “housing crisis” over the last several years, so the attention should now be focused on Labour (not National) how how they are going to fix this “housing crisis” …. especially as they have just been slammed over Kiwibuild and Twyford claiming all houses built come under the “Kiwibuild” moniker.
  
  As always, Labour is the joke.
  
  And desperate and scared – FFS they are inside the tent wearing the big boys and girls pants now and are about to deliver their first budget – they should be confident enough and positive about that – yet here they still are scared as, for being the fakes they really are, and just bumbling along lashing out – Labour are pathetic!
  
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  May 13, 2018 12:08pm
- Ross12
  
  So Young thinks Ardern is on top her game and well briefed on all Government matters.
  If what we’ve seen is on top of her game then it is very low level game ( maybe it is Tana’s tiddlywinks)
  
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  May 13, 2018 1:24pm
  - niggly
    
    That’s what the media used to say of Helen Clark – “well briefed on all Government matters” etc.
    
    I’m sure Helen was, with her intellect and control freak tendencies …. but Jacinda? Bwahahahaha!
    
    Sounds like the MSM are buying into H2’s spin & Labour are desperately trying to turn Jacinda into another “Helen”.
    
    Which could be the case, as one thing that Helen was famous for was for her grumpy put-downs – if one watches the Question Time videos one can see Jacinda is doing the same thing at the end of her answers!
    
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    May 13, 2018 2:11pm
    - RF
      
      Yep she then plonks down on her seat in a frumpy manner, scowls and sticks her her left hand under her chin with index finger sticking up.
      
      Not that I have noticed……
      
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      May 13, 2018 5:51pm
Jack5

A case which shows how laughable NZ’s Immigration and Protection Tribunal is.

It has to be the world’s most gullible group hearing a country’s deportation appeals.

The man granted asylum must have got his story out of James Bond:

He told the Tribunal of a decades-long cat-and-mouse game with Russian authorities which he claimed started in 1991 when dating his future wife, a Bulgarian, who was the daughter of a KGB agent.

His mother-in-law passed secret information to him as an insurance policy in case the KGB decided to kill her, he said.

When the tribunal member quoted, Louise Moor, was appointed in 2010, Minister Simon Power described her as “most recently a researcher and legal adviser in the Refugee and Migrants’ Rights team at Amnesty International based in London.”

From Amnesty – bloody Amnesty! – to deciding who is a legitimate immigrant in NZ. Who recommended that appointment?

NZ’s immigration appeal system is a joke.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/103854851/russian-overstayer-claiming-he-is-a-target-of-spies-granted-asylum-in-new-zealand
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May 13, 2018 11:55am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , put your name forward as a member and the public can the tribunal test just how paranoid you actually are.
  
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  May 13, 2018 12:45pm
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy is drunk again ???
    
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    May 13, 2018 2:11pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Draining the Communion wine again stephie?
      
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      May 13, 2018 4:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stupid, weak though the Immigration and Protection Tribunal is, I doubt it would find that the Stephiestani Trolls, jointly and severally, are sane enough for legal admission to New Zealand.
    
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    May 13, 2018 2:24pm
lifesgood

Still chuckling over Clarke Gayford’s comment on National Radio this morning in a programe about stay at home fathers : ” I have plenty of girlfriends who can help me with changing nappies” .
The quote may not be word perfect but the first phrase definitely is and the rest is the gist.
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May 13, 2018 12:19pm
- Johnboy
  
  The more I see of Gaylord the more I suspect he needs someone to help him change his nappies! 🙂
  
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  May 13, 2018 12:31pm
- Longknives
  
  “I have plenty of girlfriends who can help me”
  
  He most certainly does!
  
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  May 13, 2018 1:02pm
  - Fletch
    
    He’ll probably have his fun with her, move on, and she’ll stay on the DPB (Domestic Parliamentary Benefit).
    
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    May 13, 2018 2:33pm
    - RF
      
      What a sleezy prick….
      
      Birds of a feather…..
      
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      May 13, 2018 5:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives, unlike you, eh?
    
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    May 13, 2018 5:43pm
- lifesgood
  
  I’m curious as to why two people would down tick my comment. He actually stated this. It is fact. Go back and listen to the program yourselves. You can’t just downtick because you don’t like the truth….that’s dumb.
  
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  May 13, 2018 6:43pm
- Komata
  
  Lifeisgood
  
  And the very, very sad thing is that Jacinda is just ‘dim’ enough to allow it to happen…
  
  She’s not exactly the sharpest pin in the packet is she?
  
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  May 14, 2018 3:20pm
Anne Glen Eden

Glad to see that there is some sanity left in the UK system.

“Believers can wear crucifixes and other symbols at work, new official guidance will warn. Dress codes cannot ban such items, and non-compliant companies could be fined or forced to pay compensation. Equalities minister Victoria Atkins is rounding on religious intolerance as long as symbols do not interfere with the ability to do the job.

Five years ago Christian check-in clerk Nadia Eweida won her case against British Airways after it told her to hide her white gold cross. Ms Atkins said that the Government would not put up with intolerance.

“We live in an integrated and cohesive society with a proud tradition of religious tolerance and I want to see that reflected in workplaces across the country. As long as it doesn’t interfere with someone’s work they should just be allowed to get on with the job.” Firms will be told they must be flexible with an understanding of religious beliefs.”

In addition, it is high time that women did not have to comply with sexist requirements for wearing heels, lipstick, particular fashions in clothing etc. to make them more ‘marketable’ to clients and/or satisfy bosses/colleagues fashion preferences:

“Workers should also get a say on proposed changes to rules on workplace wear, guidance by the Government Equalities Office will say this month. It is also expected to clearly set out what companies can and cannot tell their staff.”
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May 13, 2018 12:26pm
- Johnboy
  
  Luv it Annie. Next time an Islamic pops into work with a semtex waistcoat the boss wont be able to yell out to the rest of the staff……”Hit the fucking deck folks” ! 🙂
  
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  May 13, 2018 12:38pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Dear heaven, what are you? Some kind of version of an anti-Muslim KKK?
    
    If all the Muslims in the world were terrorists, there’d be no-one left alive. Likewise with Christians.
    
    Get a grip. Get counselling. Some realistic perspective. Currently, your attitude is the pot calling the kettle black.
    
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    May 13, 2018 4:36pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Yer right of course Annie. I might pop over to Paris to get a more realistic view on things! ……Idiot! 🙂
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/103856974/one-dead-several-injured-in-paris-knife-attack
      
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      May 13, 2018 6:03pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Johnboy:
        
        You missed this part of Anne’s comment:
        
        Get a grip.
        
        Pick-up lines aren’t what they used to be, but there’s an opening for you, old chap!
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:16pm
      - nasska
        
        Best suggestion you’ve been given today JB. I think you might have the solution in hand. 🙂
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:22pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        You could go there to get a more realistic view.
        
        It was one attacker out of 1.7 million odd Muslims.
        
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        May 14, 2018 2:36am
big bruv

Did this poor female attend the Labour party youth camp?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103850454/victims-of-sexual-assault-waiting-more-than-a-year-for-counselling
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May 13, 2018 1:00pm
- Longknives
  
  “She used the crisis line once after police said they would not charge her abuser”
  
  Unless this person has been convicted in a Court of Law he is her ‘Alleged’ abuser.
  This ‘Believe all Women’ nonsense has permeated the New Zealand Media- Who simply refuse to believe the fact that false complaints are commonplace…
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12045115
  
  Thousands of cases where Police code ‘Insufficient to Proceed’ does not mean there are thousands of Rapists walking free. That the Herald suggests this is quite ludicrous.
  
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  May 13, 2018 1:13pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘‘Insufficient to Proceed’ does not mean there are thousands of Rapists walking free. ‘
    
    Nor does it mean there aren’t. I know people (men and women) who have been raped but didn’t even go to the police as it would be so difficult to prove (especially when there was a ‘relationship’), or was a long time ago. They would have had *absolutely no* reason to lie.
    
    Rape in all but the most violent stranger-rape situations is extremely hard to prove. Imagine being raped yourself, but held down or threatened into not getting fighting injuries. If the perp. said ‘but Longknives asked for sex and enjoyed it. Just bitter because our relationship is over’, do you think the Police would consider that could be proven in court?
    
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    May 13, 2018 1:36pm
    - Longknives
      
      Aah the old ‘Why would a Woman ever lie?’ argument?
      I can name so many reasons-
      Partner found out about her indiscretion so she makes up a story (Happened to a close friend of mine- Destroyed his career and pretty much his life)
      Vindictive/Revenge
      Attention seeking
      Mental Illness
      Custody Battle
      Wanting a ride home from Police..(Yep that has happened)
      Etc etc
      
      Nobody is saying Rape isn’t a horrendous crime-But so is making a false complaint and wrecking someone’s life. Hence my distaste for this ‘Believe all Women’ rubbish..
      
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      May 13, 2018 1:55pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        But I didn’t use the ‘why would a woman never lie’ ‘argument’. I told you that the people I know who have been raped had no reason to lie and didn’t even go to the Police because it seemed hopeless.
        
        This was all in response to your assumption that there aren’t many rapists out there who have got away with it: I know that those ones did.
        
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        May 13, 2018 4:11pm
      - Longknives
        
        When did I say that there ‘Aren’t Rapists who got away with it’??
        All I am saying is that to simply label anyone who is accused of a Sex Crime (Even when the Police find there is ‘insufficient evidence’ to proceed or it is obviously a false complaint) as a ‘Rapist’ is abhorrent.
        
        Yet this is exactly what The Herald did.
        
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        May 13, 2018 4:45pm
Notsofast

Looks like the Aussie cops have been fooled in the Margaret River incident, and are looking for no one else. Haven’t they heard how David Bain staged a suicide for Robin?
Or maybe they are not the prize idiots our cops are.
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May 13, 2018 1:24pm
- big bruv
  
  Doesn’t David Bain live in Aussie now?
  
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  May 13, 2018 1:43pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Er I think so!
    
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    May 13, 2018 1:47pm
  - Longknives
    
    Speaking of crazy fuckers Dennis Nilson died today-
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6273197/dennis-nilsen-dead-72-serial-killer-prison/
    
    Dennis used to keep the bodies and have sex with them- Apparently because he was ‘lonely’…
    
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    May 13, 2018 1:58pm
    - Fletch
      
      Necrophilia is dead boring…
      
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      May 13, 2018 2:30pm
  - noskire
    
    Yes, he has a landed a job as a photographer – specialising in family shots.
    
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    May 13, 2018 2:28pm
DigNap15

Winston was always a big spender (of our money) when he was last in governments as well.
But people still vote for him
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May 13, 2018 1:29pm
noskire

Yes Minister – Five Standard Excuses. Sound familiar?
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May 13, 2018 1:37pm
RightNow

Apparently it’s a human right to have a dog as a pet and Housing NZ now have to provide a dog suitable house for any client who wants one.
Given the family dog is responsible for most dog attacks on children (https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/103858009/family-dogs-responsible-for-most-attacks-new-research-shows ) this seems a rather unsafe policy. More idiocy from this government with the taxpayer no doubt having to foot the bill for both the house and the medical bills.
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May 13, 2018 1:46pm
- Notsofast
  
  Surely cat sized dogs are fine. And easier to carry on the bus.
  
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  May 13, 2018 2:01pm
- david
  
  If you can afford a dog the it calls into question why you need a state house.
  
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  May 14, 2018 10:19am
Ross12

This could lead to a lot of fun. The list of names might wake up the world to how many low lives there are in high places. I hope the Iranians deliver on their threat.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/oh-boy-iranian-regime-threatens-to-release-names-of-western-officials-who-took-bribes-to-pass-nuke-deal/
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May 13, 2018 2:10pm
- Fletch
  
  And I thought Western Leaders endorsed the deal based on its merits? Silly me….
  
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  May 13, 2018 2:26pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , yes silly and stupid you!
    
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    May 13, 2018 9:00pm
Manolo

An interesting article:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/05/11/democrats_economic_quandary_in_2018_messaging_137019.html

Democratic campaign operatives have acknowledged that running against Donald Trump and the White House controversy du jour — at the expense of more substantive policy issues — could weaken their advantages heading into November’s midterms. And complicating their case further are signs of economic improvement, including recent labor statistics showing national unemployment at a near-20-year low of 3.9%.
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May 13, 2018 2:33pm
Jack5

Another Muslim attack in Paris, just ahead of Jacinderella announcing NZ will open the border to more refugees.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5721939/French-police-shoot-knifeman-launched-attack-bystanders-Paris.html
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May 13, 2018 2:52pm
- Jack5
  
  And closer to our corner of the world, terrorists in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Islamic nation, have bombed Christian churches killing at least six people.
  
  http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2145889/least-two-dead-suicide-bombers-strike-three-churches
  
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  May 13, 2018 5:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Jakarta attack was by a family of suicide bombers, with children as young as a girl aged nine.
    
    The two oldest children, both boys, launched their attacks from motorcycles. The father was in a car, and the mother and two young girls were on foot.
    
    Bombs were defused in other churches.
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/suicide-bombers-strike-at-three-churches-in-indonesia-20180513-p4zezz.html
    
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    May 13, 2018 11:42pm
- Inandout
  
  Next an innocent Paris tourist? Europe is off my list.
  
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  May 13, 2018 6:09pm
Longknives

Nothing to fret about Jack5.
Labour assures us it will never happen here because New Zealanders are so ‘Tolerant’ and everyone loves us..
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May 13, 2018 3:11pm
Suze Wainwright

Oh joy! Former successful student politico and unionist Iain Lees-Galloway has indicated what the government believes a benchmark for a successful business might be… (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/workplace-relations-minister-accepts-some-kiwi-businesses-not-survive-employment-law-changes-need-resilient).
Maybe people of certain political persuasions really need to learn what it actually takes to make a business resilient.
At least I now know how committed this government is to small businesses developing, succeeding and growing…
How wonderfully progressive.
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May 13, 2018 3:22pm
- sooty
  
  Iain Two Dads.
  
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  May 13, 2018 4:58pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Are you kidding? Has he really got two dads like the green boy has two mums?
    
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    May 13, 2018 5:23pm
    - sooty
      
      Yep. Mr Lees and Mr Galloway.
      
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      May 13, 2018 8:12pm
- Happychappy
  
  Funny how they were all for small business before the Election and condemning National for the way they took them for granted. Can any one tell me why bosses would want to employ staff for a Government that is hell bent on creating a dictatorship for the Unions.
  
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  May 13, 2018 5:15pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks Suze thought it was just me but he is one scary union stooge as so many senior observers will know from the bad old days. Thankfully somebody else is watching:
  “Workplace Relations Minister Iain Lees Galloway’s gob-smacking high-handed attitude to small and medium sized Kiwi businesses on TVNZ’s Q&A this morning will do nothing to boost sagging business confidence or employment and wage growth,” Mr Simpson said.
  It is laughable if we pause to look at what his argument is for about wage rises staying well above inflation.
  “Operating in a global market means that businesses need to be resilient. They need to be able to work with the different market forces,” he said.
  How many small to medium businesses have any idea what is happening in a Global market? They are more interested in servicing their loyal paying customers while battling with the “big boys” who arrive with Global ideas and never seem to pay. Many unlucky small operators end up having to finally write off the cost of their folly.
  His offering didn’t start well as he said:
  “The evidence is very, very strong from around the world that where industries have high union density, where people are covered by collective agreements, their wages rise much faster than the rate of inflation,” said Mr Lees-Galloway. If he wasn’t such a threat to the true hard working Kiwi’s that constitute the bulk of our productivity it would be laughable.
  
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  May 13, 2018 5:57pm
- GJM
  
  And this is why I do not have employees and have no intent of ever doing so. I use contractors as if they don’t deliver, they are down the road. No way am I employing anyone in NZ
  
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  May 14, 2018 9:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m not your toy….
Stupid boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZ2F8V9qVk
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May 13, 2018 3:23pm
gorse

A call to ban party balloons now as they are harmful to the environment. What f——-g next? Not prone to swearing but losing my wick.
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May 13, 2018 5:02pm
- Longknives
  
  Girl Guide biscuits got banned this week.
  Baby Wipes are next on the Lefty ‘Ban it’ Agenda..
  
  The World is going mad.
  These Left-Wing fuckers will have us back in the Dark Ages…
  
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  May 13, 2018 5:17pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m utterly disgusted by the girl guides board banning these beloved biscuits. Their reasons are nothing more than shallow, unbelievable excuses. I guess they’ve been got at by the anti-sugar brigade. Next the girl guides will have to set up sausage sizzles just like the boy scouts. The $900,000 dollars funding they are turning away will have to come from somewhere. But wait….there’s fat and salt in sausages…oh dear, what WILL they do!!!??
    
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    May 13, 2018 5:26pm
    - Longknives
      
      Sausage Sizzles got banned a year or two ago as well Lifesgood.
      I think Mad Butcher and Co are just ignoring the lunacy…
      
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      May 13, 2018 7:05pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Strange. I still see them regularly around my area.
        
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        May 13, 2018 7:24pm
  - RF
    
    Cars out… E Bikes in.
    
    Then Amish style transport.
    
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    May 13, 2018 5:30pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Heard something about children’s helium balloons too.
    
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    May 13, 2018 6:58pm
  - MCos
    
    They didn’t get banned.
    
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    May 13, 2018 11:12pm
- noskire
  
  Father’s Day will be in their sights soon.
  
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  May 13, 2018 5:21pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Mother’s Day is 9 months after Father’s Day
    
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    May 13, 2018 6:04pm
    - nasska
      
      Yes Steve but you have to realise that Mother’s Day is a special day when men & kids pay respect to their deserving carer & giver of life. Father’s Day is a commercial racket.
      
      That’s the way SWMBO tells it. 🙂
      
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      May 13, 2018 6:12pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Yeah, the ‘speaker of the house’ just read that. LOL.
        Wonder who told her SWMBO means?
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:28pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        TV1 had a ‘news’ item about all the sad mothers locked up in prison who can’t be with their children on mothers day!
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:37pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”who can’t be with their children on mothers day”….
        
        Oh dear! That’s bad! How sad!
        
        My heart pumps raw sewage for the useless bitches.
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:41pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        My heart pumps raw sewage
        
        Health Minister David Clark would like to speak to you urgently at 9am tomorrow morning. He thinks you may have something to do with the problems at Middlemore Hospital!
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:45pm
      - nasska
        
        Not guilty I say. I have an alibi! 🙂
        
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        May 13, 2018 6:47pm
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  oops should have read your comment first.
  
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  May 13, 2018 6:58pm
Nostradamus

Penny will appear in court tomorrow:

10.00am
BEFORE THE HON JUSTICE DOWNS
PENELOPE MARY BRIGHT v AUCKLAND COUNCIL
Application for Interim Injunction

Other lawyers (including Alex Masterley) and I will be interested to see how Downs J applies the legal tests for an injunction.

I imagine the argument will proceed as follows:
– Penny (as the applicant) will say she needs an injunction as she wants to challenge “the processes and procedures that led to CEO Stephen Town initiating this forced rating sale of [her] freehold home” (directly quoting Penny).
– Auckland Council (as the respondent) will say her judicial review claim is meritless.

As I’ve noted before, section 74 of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002 states: “A rating sale … made under this Act is valid for all purposes, even if there has been an irregularity in the conduct of the sale …” and “No purchaser … is obliged to inquire whether the sale … was properly conducted”. So Penny has to successfully challenge the pre-sale process, which brings us back to Auckland Council’s compliance with the pre-sale procedure set out in the Local Government (Rating) Act. That procedure isn’t complicated. If Auckland Council hasn’t complied, in circumstances where Penny’s challenge was inevitable, then their legal team should be sacked.
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May 13, 2018 6:32pm
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  I bet she is let off on humanitarian grounds due to her ill health. The council can make sure they get it at some point.
  
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  May 13, 2018 6:39pm
  - Longknives
    
    Left-Wing Activists are notorious liars.
    Wasn’t Matt McCarten ‘Terminally ill’ (when the Feds came for him) as well?
    
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    May 13, 2018 7:03pm
    - Longknives
      
      It’s been brought to my attention that my last comment might be a little ‘Edgy’.
      Nonetheless I stand by my comment- Jesus how many of us have been thinking it?
      I have unfortunately met her and listened to her lies on more than one occasion- I reckon she will outlive most of us…
      
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      May 13, 2018 7:21pm
      - nasska
        
        I’d go along with that. If bullshit was rubber she would bounce off the moon.
        
        BUT if she produced verifiable evidence from a medical specialist to the effect that her illness was terminal then it wouldn’t be unreasonable for the sale to be cancelled. The Council are a protected creditor & should show mercy but not be conned.
        
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        May 13, 2018 7:34pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I am prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt here. If it’s advanced ovarian cancer she may have as little as 6 months to live, especially if it has triggered secondary cancers. A good friend of mine died from this within 6 months after the diagnosis. The rates war with the council should not be her number one priority and the council should sort out the financials with her estate.
        
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        May 13, 2018 8:48pm
      - sooty
        
        Its between her and the court, I think.
        
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        May 13, 2018 9:46pm
cha

Delivered in a plain brown envelope, too.

BREAKING: Pompeo: US to assist North Korea with its economy if it gets rid of nuclear weapons.— The Associated Press (@AP) May 11, 2018
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May 13, 2018 6:41pm
RW Capitalist

So Lees Galloway thinks that any business that can’t cope with minimum wage increases, of the size they are advocating as well as the pro union and tax compliance laws, should basically “get out”.
Can’t spell “unemployment” eh Ian.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2017-12/Small%20Business%20-%20Annex%203%20Small%20Business%20Factsheet.pdf
Your own govt. figures show that most companies that employ or (like me) are sole traders looking to expand. 100’s of thousands of employees could be hired is just half of the business’ with less than 5 employees took on just ONE person more.
Personally, I sit and calculate when I can take on someone to replace the physical work in my business, so I can expand into more areas and take on bigger contracts, bigger projects etc ie expand my business further.
With these increases in compliance, costs, wages etc you have moved that time for employing out from possibly 6 months to 2 years.
THANKS Ian, thanks Labour….for nothing.
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May 13, 2018 6:52pm
- Inandout
  
  So this prick is another Labourite who has never had a real job.
  
  ‘Following his term as student president, Lees-Galloway worked for the New Zealand Nurses Organisation as an organiser and subsequently publicity coordinator’.
  
  All candidates should have had some real life experiences, and this should be written into law.
  
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  May 13, 2018 8:33pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Her sister featured earlier this month, so here’s Boh Runga and her band Stellar* with Part Of Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRUkjZDV61c
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May 13, 2018 6:56pm
rightoverlabour

Another Huge Trump fail? If we believe the loony Left, this must be bad ..

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/05/13/trump-thanks-north-korea-for-plan-to-dismantle-nuke-site.html

Oh and some yanks came home from NK, and they are still alive. Huge Fail.
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May 13, 2018 7:14pm
- cha
  
  The eleven American hostages released from N Korea during the previous administration’s term.
  
  Euna Lee
  Laura Ling
  Robert Park
  Aijalon Gomes
  Eddie Yong Su Jun
  Merrill Newman
  Jeffrey Fowle
  Kenneth Bae
  Matthew Miller
  Sandra Suh
  Arturo Pierre Martinez
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_North_Korea#List_of_detained_US_citizens
  
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  May 13, 2018 7:21pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Musk’s “Boring Company” with $113million money raised, have (aside from all their R&D activities) in less than 2 years since inception almost completed a 3km long tunnel under Los Angeles, and will start to offer rides in a few months to pedestrians, cyclists and cars on electric ‘skates’ that are eventually expected to go up to 200km/hr.

Seems like a much better way forward for all those public transport zealots fucking up our cities roads with their ‘visions’ and spending vast sums of money on Mauseleums to wishful thinking.
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