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artemisia

Kiwibuild is a hoax, ‘planned’ on the back of a moving envelope. So says Duncan Garner, suggesting KiwiBuy is a better name.

Fortunately we have Labour’s Kiwibuild policy to set us right, rather than relying on media opinion pieces. Ah, no. Those numbers are 2 years old, not 6 months old. Mr Twyford was too busy in opposition to update numbers on Labour’s flagship policy. Competent? Nope.

The stand-alone KiwiBuild homes in Auckland will be priced at $500,000-$600,000 with apartments and terraced houses under $500,000. Outside of Auckland prices are likely to range from $300,000-$500,000. These will be high-quality homes built to modern standards. Scale and modern offsite manufacturing techniques will enable these homes to be built at low cost.

Currently, 2-3 bedroom houses are being built at Hobsonville and Waimahia and sold for under $550,000. KiwiBuild will enable more homes to be built in this price range.

https://www.labour.org.nz/kiwibuild

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/103843906/duncan-garner-if-twyford-cant-phil-us-in-on-kiwibuybuild-who-can
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May 12, 2018 8:23am
- rightoverlabour
  
  When Garner climbs into Labour, (Along with Soper) you got to think they got problems. We all know they were not prepared to govern. Jacinda was thrust into the limelight weeks before the election and suddenly she is it. With no idea, and no one intelligent or capable to do anything except talk shit. Labour, the collective noun for Moron. And these muppets are deciding our economic future. At least with Stalin, you knew you would just get shot. No one here even knows if we have bullets….
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:39am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    We know the labour team have the bullets, Taranaki copped one and the dairy industry felt the breeze of an attempted cull, rich pricks are looking around like meercats
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:09am
    - Paulus
      
      Greens will be please with MicroBovis reducing herds they will have to do nothing more yet.
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:53am
  - cmm
    
    I think I have figured out why Garner and Soper etc are so annoyed.
    
    They were suckered by all the Labour talk of unicorns and moonbeams. They even shilled for it.
    
    Now it is obvious to them that that position is unsustainable and they feel silly for being suckered.
    
    That makes them grumpy and start putting in the boot.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:49am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And it’s pretty obvious the Labour Party elites don’t have terribly much time for Jacinda and Clarke. Clearly happy to wallow in and rely on her populism for as long as it lasts, of course – but I imaging business continuance and contingency plans are being drawn up behind her back right now.
    Is Little still the unions’ preferred candidate?
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:12am
    - Paulus
      
      Yes – the Unions did not get Calamity Cindy in to the position she is – it was H Clark and Robertson who saw a small loophole in the what was Unions new rules which let them put her in.
      At the next Labour Party AGM I am sure this loophole will be closed.
      CC Was not their choice – Angry(not so at present was) was and I suggest he is pruning and being primed to go back to the Party.
      The Unions I notice appear to have announced that there are currently 320,000 members – this is a drop from 360,000 a year or so ago.
      Where have all the Teachers, Nurses, Midwives and Public Servants gone ?
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:59am
- Longknives
  
  This whole Labour/Green Government is a hoax…
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:46am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Still the great sheeple of NZ will re-elect them in 2020.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:21am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      Without a massive and severe economic shock impacting on families, I think you are right.
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:15am
      - gorse
        
        I think there is. World wide one coming, sadly this government will make a real mess of “guiding us through”
        
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        May 12, 2018 11:51am
  - flipper
    
    Heh man ….
    We should join forces and cut the XYZs down to dwarf size… 🙂
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:51am
  - LTA1955
    
    This government and its enablers are a blitzkrieg of bullshit. It’s time for the 2000 psi high pressure hose to send this lot down the hydroslide.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Unfortunately we needed the media to expose Labour’s lies before the election not after, but they were intoxicated with unicorn dust at the time.
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:49am
  - Ross12
    
    Most of them still are, Nigel.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:27am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      But how popular really is Jacinda out there? I know Audrey Young constantly writes that she’s an immensely popular PM, but is that just her own opinion or is she continually polling voters? I see she’s lately acknowledged that Simon Bridges is pulling impressive crowds to his public appearances, but she’s obviously predicting a fail from him in the budget reply (maybe she’ll just write it that way no matter what…).
      No doubt Jacinda is adored by a certain segment of voters out there (heck, Winnie probably is too for that matter) – but how truly large and vital are they?
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:27am
      - RF
        
        I mix with a number of good citizens who on balance are more left leaning than right.
        
        Obviously there are a few deeply entrenched Labour supporters amongst them who still spit when the term Tory is spoken.
        
        What surprises me is the noticeable cooling off of the Commie Chick. Initially she could do no wrong but now to a number she is a step to far for them as she treats the position of PM as another adventure in the land of Alice in Wonderland.
        
        The royal visit seemed to be the turning point.
        
        Others are put off by the boyfriend and question her wisdom / intelligence why she would be hooked up with an obvious gold digger.
        
        The word naive was commonly used describe her.
        
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        May 12, 2018 10:48am
      - calendar girl
        
        “Initially she could do no wrong but now to a number she is a step too far …..”
        
        How do they feel now? A gift of $3 billion of our tax money is being shipped off to Pacific Islands nations:
        a) without a Government Budget having been presented to or approved by the NZ Parliament; and
        b ) without any explanation to the NZ public of specific projects on which that money is to be spent; or of specific conditions attaching to each part of such expenditure.
        
        You would be incredulous if you witnessed such fiscal irresponsibility down at the local fish & chip shop.
        
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        May 12, 2018 11:24am
      - Souvlaki
        
        Yes, it occurs to me that Young is completely divorced from reality. I’m suspicious of such mindless adulation with little basis in fact……
        
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        May 12, 2018 11:28am
      - simpleton1
        
        cg, do not worry
        Business as usual at the fish & chip shop, or where-ever
        
        “That is $10 worth of fish & chips.”
        Thanks for the $50
        That makes $10 change for you.
        And I will just put the small change in the charity box here!
        Thank-you for your business.
        Enjoy and have a nice day!”
        
        A great little business there, well supported by the diverse
        vibrant, sustaining community. 🙂
        
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        May 12, 2018 11:39am
      - lifesgood
        
        I had one air head young woman tell me Jacinda was marvelous because she increased paid parental leave. I said “Isn’t it funny that she increased it but doesn’t believe in it? If she did she would take it herself.” She had no answer for me. The thing is people only think of what benefits them and nothing else. Same with all the demented old people who voted for Winston “Because of the gold card”. Let’s hope Labour make life a misery for everyone….they are well on the way already.
        
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        May 12, 2018 12:22pm
      - Faroffsound
        
        It would indeed be interesting to know just how strong Jacinda’s support really is.
        
        Of course the acid test will be how she manages when she has to juggle being PM and new parent at the same time.
        
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        May 12, 2018 6:20pm
  - artemisia
    
    Kiwibuild Unit now has a new CEO, as of end of May. From then on, we can expect to see him making the problem announcements, with Mr Twyford in witless protection. Only allowed photo ops standing around in a hard hat, cutting ribbons, carrying in a table.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:40am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Judith Collins will be able to remind Twitford at every opportunity that he’s been sidelined due to his own incompetence! ?
      
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      May 12, 2018 9:46am
      - RF
        
        And for Twitford to keep his hands still.
        
        During a recent TV appearance with Judith & Duncan Garner he had to be told to keep his hands to himself as he was waving them around in crushers face.
        
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        May 12, 2018 10:54am
- Nookin
  
  I read Garner’s comments with a sense of real outrage. Anyone reading Labour’s policy pre-election would have known it did not stack up. The building industry is in a state of chaos. Fletcher Buiding is in strife. Hawkins is in receivership. These things do not happen overnight.
  There have been repeated instances where territorial authorities have been taken to task for failing to process applications in a timely manner. In this neck of the woods you would have to wait a couple of years to secure a reputable builder.
  And Labour was going to add 10,000 houses pa to that equation? Pull the other one, Phil! It was never going to happen and the back-tracking started on day one.
  
  So where were you Duncan? I still remember your profound announcement on the friday before the election that the media had dropped a pass by not bothering to read let alone publicise labour’s industrial relations policy. When it was explained to you, to looked like a possum caught in the headlights. That was the problem. You and other members of the media were caught in the glare of Cindy’s stardust, so damn mesmorised by a woman’s weekly view of the world, that you went completely AWOL and let a whole lot of people down.
  Don’t bitch about it now, Duncan! You are in part responsible.
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:57am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Well said Nookin. Agree with you.
    We have too many “stars” and “celebrities” in the media now as compared to neutral, working reporters and journalists.
    I still recall Hillary Barry, along with an assortment of other financial experts, shrieking with derision about Joyce’s fiscal hole predictions. There has been no redress for that insult.
    Time for many in the media world to grow up.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:40am
  - flipper
    
    Bloody good analysis Nookin… and absolutely correct !!!!!!!!!!
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:54am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I was wondering how the MSM could give them such a pass on this pre election too.
    Collusion?
    A 5yo with a pocket calculator could figure out
    1. Where are all the builder etc coming from and if you get them, where are the rest of us going to get a plumber from, it’s a long drive from Auckland to my place.
    2. 10 000 x $500 000 is $5billion, more than the surplus, can’t collect tax that quick, so BORROWING (that they promise not to do)
    3. Must Plan, get RMA to sign off, IWI to sign off, building permits etc, build the 10 000 and sell the 10 000 houses, all in one year or you have to borrow more next year to build the next 10 000.
    BTW have you told the builder etc that the price won’t go up for 10 years and therefore neither will their wages.
    OOPS can you actually spell S T R I K E phil.
    Didn’t really think this out too well …eh Phillis?
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:33am
    - Nookin
      
      Recent reports suggest that Mr Twyford is going to have to come up with an extra bucketful of houses in Dunedin in order to cater for the hospital rebuild alone. Reports range between an extra 1000 and 1500 tradies. Most of these will be brought in from overseas.
      
      Unless Twyford intends to establish a single men’s camp an disused paddock somewhere, he may well find that he is going to have to front up with a further 500 houses.
      
      One would reasonably expect that many of the imports will be family men bringing their families and wanting a place to live.
      
      Steven Joyce said that labour either had a black hole or had overlooked the inevitable additional expenditure that every government faces. He was ridiculed. Those who ridiculed should now be feeling somewhat sheepish. Twyford’s was positing 10,000 houses per annum on top of the existing production levels but has completely ignored the additional demand for the likes of the Dunedin hospital rebuild and the major transport projects up north. The guy is a joke.
      
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      May 12, 2018 12:12pm
- Niz
  
  Just wondering – how does Phil get to dictate the price these bedsits will sell for, and not the market? If he can actually convince people to build the things for him, for minimal profit, and then finds enough first home buyers who can afford $400k+ mortgages, how does he prevent them from being on sold?
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:19am
  - artemisia
    
    Good questions Niz. I’m sure the books on the $2billion will be completely open and transparent. Until they are not, which will be sooner rather than later.
    
    Labour’s Kiwibuild policy is (was?) for sales within 5 years to repay all (yes all) capital gain. I expect there will be a caveat on the title.
    
    Nothing I have seen says they cannot be bought by a first home buyer and rented out, but then what detail have we seen.
    
    That would be none. Better hurry up with the detail as the first are supposed to be sold in the next 3 months.
    
    If they can be rented out, there may be a few well off parents who gift each of the offspring the deposit to get them on to the property ladder.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:40am
    - Niz
      
      Hmm, so if I was going to buy a property, would I rather buy one where I could make a capital gain, or one where I couldn’t?
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:30am
William of Ockham

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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/trump-white-house-quietly-cancels-nasa-research-verifying-greenhouse-gas-cuts?

The Carbon Monitoring System assessed deforestation, such as burning rainforest to clear lands for grazing.

You can’t manage what you don’t measure. Now, President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly killed the $10M-a-year CMS. The move jeopardizes plans to verify the national emission cuts agreed to in the Paris climate accords.

The White House has mounted a broad attack on climate science, repeatedly proposing cuts to NASA’s earth science budget, including the CMS, and cancellations of climate missions such as the Orbiting Carbon Observatory 3 (OCO-3).

Many of the 65 projects supported by the CMS since 2010 focused on understanding the carbon locked up in forests.

It’s an ironic time to kill the program. NASA is planning several space-based carbon observatories, including the OCO-3, which is set to be mounted on the International Space Station later this year, and the Geostationary Carbon Cycle Observatory, due for launch early next decade.

This type of research is likely to continue, but leadership will pass to Europe, which already operates one carbon-monitoring satellite, with more on the way…
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May 12, 2018 8:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh shit, the madman’s back.
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:32am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Why do you bother? 30 downticks and you are gone….
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:41am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    See? Gone. Now go and do some reading around the impending mini ice age….
    
    http://bigthink.com/news/the-solar-minimum-is-coming-in-about-30-years-what-will-it-do
    
    https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/17410-mini-ice-age-will-hit-the-earth-in-five-years
    
    There are lots more…
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:11am
  - stephieboy
    
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    rightoverlabour , as if the earth and climate change revolves around the opinions of 30 plus deluded deniers.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:20am
    - The Heat
      
      Fine, then what are YOU going to do about it? Stop reproducing. Stop using imported goods. Stop using fossil fuels. Go live in a cave.
      
      So many climate believers I see don’t walk the talk and thus demonstrate they don’t believe their own climate bullshit. If it’s as critical as they make out, then cotton shopping bags, solar and lightbulbs ‘aint going to do jack sh*t.
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-worse-water-temperature-reading-scientists-global-warming-ice-melt-weather-a8020696.html
      
      Give up your first world existence, greenies. Until then – you are “the problem”. Virtue signalling doesn’t reduce temperature.
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:11am
duggledog

My idea for reducing that colossal ‘donation’ Mr 7% Winston just gave to the South Pacific Islanders (on our behalf) right down to about $0,000,000.50c:

How about advising the leeches to tell their people they can apply for citizenship, residency and work permits in China instead of New Zealand from now on. Choose a friggin side and cut your cloth to suit your extensive waistlines.

And they can have all the thousands of overstayers back as well including all those gang members that can be legally deported. That’s a Trump deal.

The islanders have been playing us off against the Chinks etc for years now and if Winston can’t see it he needs to get off the booze. Even the Samoan PM said as much last night ‘we need support from everybody’. Stop having so many kids then and while you’re at it lose a few pounds.

Plus they have form for squandering aid at best and enriching the elite at worst.

BTW I didn’t write this. A life long former NZ 1st supporter dictated it to me.
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May 12, 2018 8:25am
- holysheet
  
  I didn’t know you and chucky were best mates, dd.
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:35am
- Maxx
  
  China can pay there super payments while they’re at it
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:37am
- artemisia
  
  PM of Samoa on the telly news Friday. In summary – we need more money, we’ll grab it from whoever we can. Thanks NZ but you are small kava in the scheme of things.
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:43am
  - Jack5
    
    (West) Samoa wants to be careful if it plans to play China off against America, considering us too-small potatoes.
    
    A stand-off between China and America might then position Samoa has a mini, South Pacific version of Korea.
    
    In the meantime, NZ’s card is its role as a destination, though we already fork out aid such, I recall, as paying for secondary education in West Samoa.
    
    Poor Kiwis, brownmail at home, brownmail in the ocean around. It would be ironic if it proves to be Chinese within NZ, and Chinese in the Pacific, who finally end brownmail.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:27am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes Jack5.
      
      If the Chinese end up taking over New Zealand (which is entirely possible in say 20 years’ time) then you can absolutely guarantee that the brownmail will end abruptly.
      
      The range of ethnicities and languages in China are more than we here really know about. More even than Europe, and for 2500 years China has kept its identity, body politic and civilisation intact through a dedicated culture of cohesion. Quite simply, they don’t tolerate breakaway groups and ethnicities trying to become separate and get special priveliges. Just look at the way they deal to the Uyghurs and Tibetans, for example.
      
      In much the same way as countries and regions come under ‘spheres of influence’ – e.g. Filipines, S Korea etc under America, the Baltics under Russia – New Zealand will most likely come under China’s sphere of influence as America wanes. At which time you can bet your bottom Renmimbi that all this TOW and brown privelige will come to an abrupt end.
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:51am
  - Souvlaki
    
    He certainly came across as an unadulterated ungrateful A Hole to me !
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:30am
- GoVege
  
  They can’t “stop having so many kids”.
  Samoa is officially a Christian nation now.
  It will be virtually impossible for women to get their hands on contraception.
  Why do you think so many want to come here?
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:35pm
holysheet

Talking to an ex employee last week. She is a staunch Labour supporter. The conversation turned to politics when I asked her “What do you think of Cindy leaving soon to have the nations baby?”
“Who is Cindy” she asked.
“Your labour pardy leader you voted for” “Oh” was her reply
With the sarcasm dripping of my tongue I asked her
“ Have you got your $10 a week off your Doctors visits,?
“How do you feel about them giving 3 billion of your hard earned taxes to the pacific Islands?
This really got her attention.
“yes she said, I don’t agree with that. “We should be spending our taxes on things here that we need doing, not in the islands.
“Well you voted for them”
“Yes but your lot weren’t doing enough”
We agreed that the Nats hadn’t done enough, but she thought I was agreeing with her. Little did she know that I want them to be tougher on bludgers, RMA reform etc etc etc.
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May 12, 2018 8:27am
Manolo

Will he ever stop? Mueller forges ahead:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-special-counsel-probing-donations-foreign-connections-trump/story

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has questioned several witnesses about millions of dollars in donations to President Donald Trump’s inauguration committee last year, including questions about donors with connections to Russia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, sources with direct knowledge told ABC News.
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May 12, 2018 8:30am
- flipper
  
  And Mr Mueller may be pre-ejaculating…. 🙂
  A case of put up or shut up ???
  
  http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/05/10/robert-mueller-court-russian-company-trump-probe-joe-digenova-says
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  May 12, 2018 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
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    flipper , I ask you now. Why should we believe in Fox Faux News?
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fox_News
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:22am
    - Scott
      
      Stephieboy – because Fox news does actually report news. They have plenty of straight news reporting, check out Brett Baer on Special Report for very fair reporting. Also Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday is very fair and probably leans slightly liberal if anything.
      Meanwhile on CNN on the very day that American hostages are released from North Korea and returned home, their coverage is only about Stormy Daniel’s, Michael Cohen and the Mueller investigation and Russia.
      For CNN there is nothing else but bringing down the duly elected president of the United States. But only when he’s a Republican.
      
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      May 12, 2018 9:57am
    - flipper
      
      Because dear stupid one, almost every survey of US viewers (and listeners to their radio network) regard Fox as the most reliable. And, if you ever start thinking for your self rather than following the Fraser House script, you will agree, Dumbo !
      ( EDIT: When a US Federal Judge tells the prosecution to proceed and to provide disclosure it is a matter of fact , not imagination. The fact is that Mueller filed indictments before he had a proper case. But stupidboy would not know about that sort of matter .)
      
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      May 12, 2018 9:59am
    - lilman
      
      Stephie,-When the hammer falls,and it will soon on your Iran,I will drink long and hard ,as well as go to mass,as my god is much better than your pedo cousin.
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:14am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      There’s another one of your sqwarks
      Alt-right, alt-right
      Faux news, Faux news
      Evidence with citations
      Sqwark
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:10pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I think this sums up Mueller.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7zYVEyG9vM
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:40am
holysheet

Cyclops: Honey, how do you spell Hawaii?
Wife: (biting lip).. I think you need 2 ‘i’s.
Cyclops: (puts pen down)…You think my life is just one big a joke, don’t you.

Note to stooopidboy
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8zeq-XNT5K8/SOZcS5XEkPI/AAAAAAAAAfI/DRtUGzHOgXY/s400/aprilfools_veil_1.jpg
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May 12, 2018 8:33am
- stephieboy
  
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  holyturd , again why should we believe in Fox Faux News?
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fox_News
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  May 12, 2018 9:57am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,still a fucking cretin.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:57am
Manolo

The primitive clerics will deserve every bit that comes their way if they dare:
https://apnews.com/ceb31f5b9c174358ae25422e35e76b3e

A prominent Iranian cleric on Friday threatened two Israeli cities with destruction if the Jewish state “acts foolishly” and attacks its interests again, while thousands of protesters demonstrated against President Donald Trump’s withdrawal from the Iranian nuclear deal with world powers.
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May 12, 2018 8:43am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup. They have given Iran a bloody nose before and they won’t hesitate to do so again. Trump has basically given them Carte Blanche. I suspect we’ll see a strike on nuclear facilities if this rhetoric from Iran continues.
  
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  May 12, 2018 9:18am
oldpark

Thought there were only a handful of clowns in Peters selected “Coalition of Corruption and Chaos”. Now the latest confirmed clown is flap jaw Twyford.
Talk about empty vessels make the most sound.
Lets start with the name “Kiwibuild houses” . Twyford the Oxfam reject continues to talk about his great plan to build 100,000 houses for NZs.
The only confirmed plan up to now for his other role of more “Trains Buses and Bicycles”is
believe it or not corns on his fat arse caught riding around in taxpayer funded BMWs,at a massive cost of many many thousands of dollars.
Twyford all mouth no trousers and up to now not too many new houses,only massive taxpayer payments to him for telling lies.
Yes empty vessels certainly make the most sound.
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May 12, 2018 8:53am
- holysheet
  
  You could use that same analogy when talking about posters here with the highest number of posts.
  
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  May 12, 2018 9:00am
  - kevn
    
    @HS… Maybe you meant to say:: Posters with highest number of downticks. That might be more accurate.
    Some posters have around for much longer than others and so have more comments.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:45am
  - stephieboy
    
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    holyturd ,like Manolo and nasska ?
    
    LOL
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:59am
    - holysheet
      
      Your not that stoooopid after all. You know I was talking about you.
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:23am
    - Manolo
      
      Thank you, stephieboy. I know you are being kind to me.
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A clanging bell
  Hollow
  Loud
  Monotonic
  and very annoying.
  
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  May 12, 2018 2:02pm
rightoverlabour

FFS Time to ban LEGO.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/11/connecticut-school-calls-police-after-student-makes-points-lego-gun-at-classmates.html

And the plural of LEGO is LEGO not LEGOS!!!
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May 12, 2018 8:58am
- Longknives
  
  I hope they provided those poor, traumatised kids with a ‘safe space’ and an emotional support animal each..
  
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  May 12, 2018 9:06am
  - sooty
    
    Change their pampers for them as well.
    
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    May 12, 2018 9:40am
    - noskire
      
      But don’t forget to ask their permission first.
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:58am
trout

Could it be that the venal Winston is waving the prospect of a Kermadec sanctuary under the nose of the Greens in exchange for support for his Waka jumping Bill?
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May 12, 2018 9:07am
- redeye
  
  Wasn’t the scuttling of the Kermadecs done under the instructions of his financiers? If he’s now prepared to drop it then he must be desperate. Maybe he thinks he has a couple ready to jump ship?
  We can only hope.
  
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  May 12, 2018 9:36am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah he’s got new financiers, the Russians.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:24am
- marleybob
  
  It will be a claytons reserve where iwi and commercial fishing will still be allowed limited access, so not really a sanctuary at all.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:25am
  - holysheet
    
    It will be a ~~claytons~~ Winston reserve where iwi and commercial fishing will still be allowed limited access, so not really a sanctuary at all.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:36am
Anne Glen Eden

For those who don’t think the world has gone utterly PC mad:

“Kings College lecturer Richard Ned Lebow, as he attended a conference in the United States, was reported by colleague Simona Shironi and subsequently suspended for allegedly saying “Lingerie on the seventh,” as he pressed the button for the seventh floor.

Prof Shironi was said to be “quite shaken” by the incident and claimed not to have confronted Prof Lebow because she “froze.” She said: “The woman standing next to me turned to me and said, ‘I wonder if we should have told them that it is no longer acceptable to make these jokes!’ It took me a while to figure out that this man thought it was funny to make a reference to men shopping for lingerie while attending an academic conference.

“I am still trying to come to terms with the fact that we froze and didn’t confront him. As a survivor of sexual harassment in the academy, I am quite shaken by this incident.”

No-one can decide just how much a child should be abused before definitive protective action should be taken – and usually only after at least one has died with multiple others being tortured longterm – but the middle-class PC have no doubt about their ‘feelings’ being hurt and that it should end someone’s whole career.

It goes along with expensive research (in time and money) being done to ascertain the level of nicotine children have in their hair strands.

Simply bizarre and not a little insane.
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May 12, 2018 9:07am
- Viking2
  
  Is that you Mrs Slocum?
  
  We joke about this all the time round our workplace.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:59am
- calendar girl
  
  Do you have a link to the passage you quoted, Anne? (Which King’s College is referred to? Auckland / London / Cambridge …?)
  
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  May 12, 2018 12:21pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/958486/Political-correctness-King-s-College-joke-women-humour-comedy-debate-video
    
    UK I imagine.
    
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    May 12, 2018 12:24pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  If that’s all the silly bitches have to worry about, half their luck.
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:16pm
VicParking

The reserve bank kept the official cash rate the same but the BNZ increased its two year mortgage rate on Friday. Expect to see the other banks follow suite over the next few weeks. It’s also becoming harder to get pre-approval for a mortgage. Not because of the clients financial status but because the banks are worried about what area the customer is buying in.
Also distance from work, Travel costs, Infrastructure Tax (Levie) and job security.
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May 12, 2018 9:10am
- KevOB
  
  The banks may be finding interest rates rising from their suppliers. Credit is being tightened globally.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Banks are insisting that you get an Insurance Policy and a Builders report for the property to are considering buying first, for their inspection and approval as part of any financial offer..
  It is becoming very difficult to buy a new policy in some areas – eg Christchurch and Wellingon.
  Soon we my become like California where the portion of Earthquake Insurance is limited to say 15% of the cover.
  It seems surprising listening recently to some people in Christchurch who bought houses after they had been repaired and they did not get a builders report, but just relied on the fact that after of or both of the two large earthquakes they relied on that may have been true at the time, of poor repairs.
  As there have been over 10,000 after shocks damage could have reoccurred at any time after one or many.
  This damage called shoddy repairs could have occurred at any time and may continue to occur.
  But Dr Woods has said she and the EQC Chair Dame Annette King will soon sort it out.
  Problem is not a matter for EQC who are governed to a limit within legislation.
  And that limit has been paid.
  Also hear very recently that EQC have run out of money also.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  Sadly VP the RBNZ has finally been hobbled as the COL haver put an ore in there with the Media party more concerned about his appearance than his delivery. He has fallen into line with the COL MO of dumbing down the populace which sadly is less reassuring for those who see detail. Seems his crystal ball is in fact only made of acrylic and will become more foggy as the weather cools and the NZ$ slumps.
  The banks on the other hand have no choice but to deal in tangibles and real world financing issues knowing not all inflation is created domestically. They see a storm brewing for a weakened NZ$ hitting their funding sources and steams before it even reaches the domestic inflation increases coming. The best analogy is the sea life food chain and even the mighty whales favour the smallest species. David and Goliath is just a land based myth.
  
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  May 12, 2018 6:57pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Still the great sheeple of NZ will re-elect them in 2020.
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May 12, 2018 9:27am
- nasska
  
  Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
  
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  May 12, 2018 9:36am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Reminds me of those lines in MIB.
    
    Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
    
    Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you’ll know tomorrow.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:46am
- Chris R
  
  Cullen:What do you mean “re-elect?” They weren’t elected but selected by the egregious Peters. In 2020 a Judith Collins led-National will win.
  
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  May 12, 2018 9:38am
  - Viking2
    
    Need to be smarter than she is currently.
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:00am
Philview

I noted the article about Golriz Ghahraman on Stuff yesterday. Her views show that they (the Coalition Government) don’t have a high opinion of the early settlers and their ancestors.

People who built a modern country from scratch in a very short space of time deserve high levels of respect. They have my respect.

Also once again she shows contempt for democracy in the USA and UK.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103815371/greens-golriz-ghahraman-we-need-to-talk-about-kiwi-identity-and-xenophobia
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May 12, 2018 9:49am
- Scott
  
  Yes I truly love it when we admit complete foreigners in as refugees and then they grow up and want to criticise our country!?
  Has anyone heard of gratitude?
  And she is in our parliament and yet seems its OK to say she is mistreated?
  But look if she doesn’t like it here well I’m sure we can have a whip round to raise money for a one way ticket back to Iran. I’m sure those mullahs will make her feel right at home.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:03am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott, refugees like Golriz Ghahraman join in sharing the fruits and benefits of living in a democracy.
    
    No less so than refugees from Pol Pot or Communist Vietnam. etc
    
    Get over it!
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:09am
    - holysheet
      
      Yeh but its because she is female that she gets to say all this shit. Don’t forget it was all the old white men who built this country, and it’s arse wipes you and her who want to destroy it.
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        holy sheet , a long overdue appointment with your Doctor on Monday
        
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        May 12, 2018 12:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        From the punctuation, another roster change at Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
        
        I doubt that today’s duty troll is long off the plane.
        
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        May 12, 2018 1:17pm
    - Manolo
      
      Do not forget Indonesia, dear stephieboy!
      
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      May 12, 2018 10:46am
    - calendar girl
      
      The last thing we need in this country is a foreigner coming here as a ‘refugee’, enjoying the fruits and privileges of our well-ordered society and democracy – however imperfect each may be – and telling us how we need to change our country to meet her ideals.
      
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      May 12, 2018 12:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        calendar girl , we don’t live in a theocracy or Banana Republic.
        
        BTW what law has Golriz Ghahraman broken?
        
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        May 12, 2018 12:50pm
      - calendar girl
        
        My comment above made no reference to a “theocracy”, a “Banana Republic”, or any “law Golriz Ghahraman (has) broken”.
        
        You appear to be losing your way, stephie. Only you will have any idea what you are on about.
        
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        May 12, 2018 1:18pm
    - Duxton
      
      Stephie: Golli G isn’t a refugee. Her parents lied their way into the country, and she has kept lying ever since.
      
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      May 13, 2018 12:20am
  - The Heat
    
    When these Marxists say they want to have a “talk” about it, or a “conversation”, what they really mean is that they have decided their position and you must accept it.
    
    If a Maxist’s mouth is moving, they’re changing meaning.
    
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    May 12, 2018 10:40am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  I agree but it’s all part of the fantasy.
  
  NZ is a ‘country’ with geographical boundaries. That’s all it is. There is no ‘identity’ and never will be again. There are no ‘shared values’ and never will be again. Like all ‘modern’ countries. There’s a lot of talk about it, and a lot of talk about talking about it, but that’s all it is. A collection of disparate groups.
  
  With any shared values or commonality in a majority of the population, you get ‘populism’ which is what Left/liberals are all fighting to destroy. They will only accept ‘divide and rule’ – societies which are completely fragmented. Or perhaps they believe there’s some ‘end point’ where everyone is so ‘same’ that populism will become fashionable.
  
  People want to come here because there’s less violence than elsewhere – and a whole heap of naivete. Anyone can waltz in here, call it their ‘own’ and set about remaking it in their own image. Other than Maori – who reject any claim but their own. Of course, having done all that, all of those people destroyed, and continue to destroy, the ‘country’ that they sought in the first place.
  
  NZ, as far as the ‘baby-boomers’ and their antecedents knew, is just gone – and that includes Maori. It’s not ‘Maori’ and never will be either, if only because ‘modern’ Maori are not ‘Maori’ (in any old sense) and never will be. They’re something entirely different.
  
  We’re not alone. It was interesting to watch the ‘American’ prisoners returned from North Korea on Al Jazeera. They were all Asian and required an interpreter. I can ‘get’ the Asian ethnicity – I don’t ‘get’ the need for an interpreter. What an extraordinary pretence. Trump did well; didn’t even blink. Mind you, it was fortunate for the ‘American’ prisoners that they were Asian – they were in much better condition than the poor, brain-dead/damaged European American sent back.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:54am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    All 3 US citizens recently released from North Korean had the family name of Kim and were 100% ethnic Korean.
    Ref for backgrounds: http://time.com/5272203/north-korea-detainees-free-what-we-know/
    
    At least two (possibly all of them) were born outside of the US.
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:08am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      That follows. I suspect that it was convenient to North Korea that they were ‘American’ citizens – but considered them, and treated them, according to their real origins.
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:14am
  - Kabull
    
    Well said, Ann. As an old white man, and despite many of my ancestors having been here since before 1840, I feel I am no longer welcome in NZ.
    #Not my country any more.
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:34am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Yes. And I think that’s the point – common across the world.
      
      It isn’t about not accepting immigrants or minorities. It’s that large proportions of native populations or the ‘majority’ – not only feel ‘unwelcome’ but are actually totally ‘unwelcome’ in their native countries, certainly to participate in any significant part of it.
      
      All ‘countries’ are now to be specifically defined by those who do not comprise the ‘majority’ of the population on any level.
      
      It will be interesting, as I say, to see what happens when the majority are non-born residents or ‘minorities’ – as Auckland is rapidly approaching. Really, the only ‘culture’ is, and will be, money and power.
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:59am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      If you want some consolation, Kabull, you only have to realise that:
      
      “All Māori men were able to vote from 1867 and all European men from 1879. In 1893 New Zealand became the first country in the world where women were able to vote in national elections.”
      
      These things, which were ‘world-leading’ were done by apparently ‘racist, sexist, ageist, old white men’. They, indeed, had a unique identity as ‘New Zealanders’ – supported, as Dave Mann said, by their women.
      
      It is these people who are unacceptable and ‘unwelcome’ today – by a shallow, frivolous, narcissistic, and victim-obsessed generation. I wouldn’t envy them or feel devalued by them. They are not part of that NZ identity, can/will never be, and don’t understand it.
      
      It is the contention of the current ‘liberal’ generation that you could transport the entire native NZ population to e.g. Iran, and swap them for Iranians to be brought back here – and they would still be saying “NZ is a wonderful country. ‘We’ were the first to give women the vote.”
      
      It might be technically true in terms of those living within the geographical boundaries of ‘NZ’ – but it wouldn’t be the same ‘people’, would it? Just a distortion of reality. I’d feel sorry for them, rather than yourself. They have no ‘identity’, have no idea where they’re going, or what they’re really doing. They live in theoretical concepts which have no basis in fact – just fantasy.
      
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      May 12, 2018 1:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Anne of Glen Eden, what a pile of utter alt right drivel!
    
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    May 12, 2018 12:55pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Totally unlike anything you post here SB, thank goodness for standards!
      
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      May 12, 2018 2:52pm
    - Viking2
      
      Please stop displaying your ignorance. My scroll wheel and down buttons are beginning to suffer from exhaustion.
      
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      May 12, 2018 5:19pm
    - starboard
      
      shariaboy of Mt Roskillstan…s t f u.
      
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      May 12, 2018 5:19pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Alt-right
      Faux news
      See your doctor
      Sqwark
      
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      May 12, 2018 11:22pm
Ross12

” Budget 2018: What’s in it for you? ”

Headline from the NZ Herald. When are we going to have budget where the journalist asks the question
” What is in it for the country ?” or “What is in it to move the country forward?”
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May 12, 2018 10:02am
- Dave Mann
  
  I noticed that too and it pulled me up short. The pure greed and selfishness displayed in that headline is staggering.
  
  Well done for pointing this out Ross.
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:06am
  - Ross12
    
    The problem is Dave, this has been going on for ages and the average person seems to just look at budgets as “what is in it for me?”
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:38am
- Nermal
  
  I know what’s not going to be in it. A long list of Labour and NZF election promises
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:09pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Expect Nermal the nurses are now feeling the same way even after sweet cheeks promised them a bump or can it the trail of broken promises has made them sceptical too? A mere 5 days before the budget and they are out protesting? What a joke.
    
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    May 12, 2018 7:05pm
- KevOB
  
  Budget: a.k.a piñata with our net taxpayers money.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:25pm
- yossarian
  
  To be fair, as a white male with no kids, I’m pretty sure that there will absolutely nothing in the budget for me.
  
  At least Nationals tax cuts would have given me something back, but alas that’s all gone
  
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  May 12, 2018 8:06pm
stephieboy

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Philview , I can assure you that this country was built on immigration from different nations and backgrounds.

No less so than if they were Iranian or other refugees like Golriz Ghahraman.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/68085604/cambodian-refugees-stories-told-in-new-book
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May 12, 2018 10:02am
- VicParking
  
  Stephie, there was civilisations?? in Iran 1000 years ago. It’s still a shit hole
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:44am
- Philview
  
  Golriz is the one who said that Trump/Brexit have emboldened the racists in New Zealand. Most of the racist comments seem to be coming from the rank and file of her own Coalition Government. She has also has criticised Brexit on multiple occasions. Critics of the European Union say it hides behind a fortress of tariffs that prevent the development of African trade, hence creating mass flows of migrants and refugees. There are ideologies in the back ground such as the Coudenhove- Kalergi plan that advocate for the creation of mass refugee migration to destroy the nation state.
  
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  May 12, 2018 2:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Island Bay Cycle path still in the news.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/357196/residents-aim-to-take-cycleway-battle-to-court
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May 12, 2018 10:05am
- srylands
  
  I know I have commented before, but to repeat, it is the most fucked up piece of urban roading I have ever seen. Spending millions to convert a wide safe road into a narrow dangerous road.
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:31am
Dave Mann

HAVING A CONVERSATION

A conversation overheard between a millennial chatting with their* friend over a latte the other day in Grey Lynn:

“Ooohh yumm…. hey, soy latte makes me feel so healthy. But sometimes I worry if soy really is grown in human shit and whether coffee is ethical and sustainable. It’s all so frightening ….”

“Yeah, but what’s really unsustainable is the terrible pollution caused right here in our beautiful Aotearoa by intensive farming isn’t it? Just look at our poor rivers!”

“Ooohh Justin, I know! Dirty Dairy… ugh! And I’ve reduced my dairy consumption because I heard that lactose intolerance can be so awful for people too!”

“Intolerance? Don’t talk to me about intolerance!! Do you know that little Su had to use the girl’s bathroom at school the other day because the teacher insisted they are a girl???? I couldn’t believe it!”

“OMG… But you can’t call them ‘teachers’ you know. Teachers were producers of obedient slaves in the bad old days for the wicked factory owners. In Sam’s school they’re more enlightened and they are called ‘guides’…”

“Yuk… Factories! I’m glad we don’t have factories anymore. Industry burns fossil fuels and it’s killing the planet. Obviously anything we can do to stop Big Energy from exploiting the Earth has to be good, right? Oil exploration disgusts me. Its like rape, with all that drilling.”

“Right! Well, let’s go and catch the tram or we’ll be late for Su’s kapa haka class… yah?”

“Sure. let’s go. It’s always great to chat. But let’s have chicory next time shall we?”

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* Every effort has been made to avoid binary gender stereotyping in this account, but if I have inadvertently caused offence by implying that either of these people had/has a penis or a vagina, then please accept my apologies.
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May 12, 2018 10:14am
- dubya
  
  And here’s me thinking you were referring to a boy named Su!
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:07am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Good one!!! 😀
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:25am
Ross12

Interesting developments in Italy.
It seems the anti mass migration parties, Five Star ( and anti EU to some extent) will join with Berlusconi in a coalition.
The so called populists ( hate that word) have won again.
Talking to my wife in Malaysia yesterday –she says many people over there see their election result as making history (ie. not just an election win for the previous opposition). One thing they see it as an opportunity to get rid of some of the underlying racism –they are saying forget the “Chinese Malaysian” “Malay” “Indian Malaysian” we are all Malaysians. Interesting times for them.
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May 12, 2018 10:21am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is the division in Malaysian society due to race (i.e., cultural values) or to religion?
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:10am
  - Ross12
    
    Odakyu-sen
    On the surface there does not seem to be any division , a visitor would not see it as obvious division. But in general terms the ethnic Malays have the political / bureaucratic power and so if you are of Indian descent, for example, it is hard to get high up Government jobs. There are schools just for Malays but the Chinese ( who in are behind much of the business) have built Chinese schools.
    I am generalising to some extent –there are wealthy Malay and Indian businessmen and there are poor Malays , Chinese and Indians.
    So the divisions are of race and to a lesser degree religion.
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Odakyu-sen, I would say the division is cultural and religious, but you have to wonder about genetic differences.
    
    Malaysia, still including Singapore and probably still called Malaya, would have been Chinese dominated if British Commonwealth troops hadn’t subdued the Chinese Communist insurgency in Malaya.
    
    The Chinese have business skills, and Singaporeans, overwhelmingly Chinese, have become the seventh richest citizens in the world, while Malaysians are the 70th (seventieth) richest. That comparison is by GDP per capita.
    
    In Malaysia – and in Indonesia – foreign investors often seek firms owned by Chinese rather than locals, and firms run by Chinese.
    
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    May 12, 2018 12:52pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The division was racial and economic.
    In the 1960s when the State of Malaysia was first formed there was tension between the economic and political power bases in Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.
    When Singapore was part of the Federation of Malaysia from 1963 to 1965, inter-racial tensions were rife. Singaporean political leaders such as Lee Kuan Yew began to advocate for a “Malaysian Malaysia”, opposing the Malaysian Federal Government’s vision of an ethnic-based Malay Malaysia.
    
    The majority Malays promoted use of Bahasa Melayu (Malay) in schools and Government Jobs.
    
    NZ started getting Chinese Malay secondary school students in the 1970s as they couldn’t get a decent education in their own towns.
    
    Even today top Chinese Malay students find it difficult to get entry into Medical and Engineering Schools in the Malaysian Universities.
    
    When Lee Kuan Yew took Singapore out of the Malaysian federation, he promoted a “Singaporean Singapore” identity based on racial equality, with race acting as a secondary identifier alongside the Singaporean national identity.
    Singapore adopted four official languages – English, Chinese, Malay and Tamil – and implemented a bilingual education policy.
    
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    May 12, 2018 2:36pm
Gravelroad

Yesterday a regular commenter on here reported attending a public meeting where Simon Bridges was speaking – in Cambridge was it?
The story about this on Stuff was accompanied by photos showing quite a few at the meeting were from the older age group.
The comments were derisive of this: too many old folks, no diversity of race, age etc – all the currently fashionable judgements.
A meeting held during a weekday is unlikely to have working people or students of any age or race able to attend.
So let’s just be ageist and insult the older generation of taxpayers and ratepayers who did go. The old, white men and women whose opinions and aspirations for our society are disparaged by the ignorant as irrelevant.
There is too much hypocrisy here.
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May 12, 2018 10:42am
- cha
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The old, white men and women whose opinions and aspirations for our society are disparaged by the ignorant.
  
  Do you need a safe space, petal?.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:48am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Fuck off cha. White men built this country. And they were valued and supported by white women.
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:09am
- holysheet
  
  As was said yesterday, in a place like Cambridge all the yoof were at work paying their taxes to support the bludgers.
  I bet if Cindy dared to venture out in Cambridge or Morrinsville or New Plymouth, you would see the same age group but they would be calling for her head on a platter.
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:01am
  - VicParking
    
    She would have an audience of mixed male and female out of work bludgers and Marxist greenies who live on a soy milk goat farm
    
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    May 12, 2018 11:50am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Nah, it’s not too far to bus in a whole bunch of students like they did with the exploration ban announcement.
    It used to be said of a few opening batsmen, but it is certainly true for Cindy – she has a knack of playing where fast bowlers aren’t!
    
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    May 12, 2018 1:24pm
- Jack5
  
  The newspapers of Stuff, Ltd, especially since they tabloidized, disdain older readers. They insult them in their headlines. Leftists dominate the opinion columns are Leftist and deride “old white men”.
  
  Yet the advertising in these newspapers remains targeted towards middle-aged and older readers.
  
  Stuff Ltd, is the name for what was ~~Fairfucked~~ Fairfax New Zealand. Stuff Ltd is still owned by Fairfax Corporation of Australia.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    The “edit” function seems to be down today. Apologies for typos.
    
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    May 12, 2018 1:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    As I don’t read the DumbPost any more I was surprised to note yesterday that it’s shrunk its pages to half size. And there are fewer of them.
    This looks to me like the last gasp before the dreadful thing ceases to exist.
    
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    May 12, 2018 1:30pm
    - sooty
      
      I think most of the stuffed stable have gone to the pygmy papers. Ours comes in the old full size on saturdays.
      
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      May 12, 2018 2:34pm
    - Ross12
      
      Captain
      I saw one of these tabloid versions of the Dom Post at a friends place yesterday. I took one look and said it looks like the “Truth”. I flicked through it and I confirmed my original opinion of it.
      
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      May 12, 2018 5:10pm
      - Viking2
        
        sunday star times is still a hugely read paper.
        Neighbourly, which is a Stuff Internet site is growing daily with a very big no of subscribers. They have got that about right.
        
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        May 12, 2018 5:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Viking2 on Sunday Star Times circulation: here is something from six months ago on paid readership numbers – and they are sad:
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/newspaper_circulations_fall_again.html
        
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        May 12, 2018 5:54pm
softail 1450

Trumps latest legislation signed a couple of hours ago is aimed directly at our pharmac and others around the planet that force US drug makers to sell drugs to them at 20% of the price american consumers are being charge,this may not be good for old bastards like me that may end paying a lot more for medicines if i ever need them.
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May 12, 2018 11:12am
- Dave Mann
  
  If that’s correct then the whole country’s medical system is under threat.
  
  I always assumed that Pharmac was able to negotiate a good discount (but nothing like 80%) for buying in bulk, and then they passed the ‘approved’ medicines on to the public at a hugely subsidised rate (i.e. paid for our of our taxes).
  
  I would be surprised and shocked if you’re correct. Anyway, how could any organisation ‘force’ an American drug company to charge such ridiculously low prices? I think you’re mistaken. I certainly hope you’re mistaken!
  
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  May 12, 2018 12:06pm
  - starboard
    
    I’m on meds for cholesterol and Warfarin for blood thinning. My cholesterol tabs cost me 60 bucks a month in NZ because the gummint dont subsidise the specific brand that I have to take ( statin free )
    Here in Thailand I get the same tablet for $3 NZ per month. Some fucker somewhere is making a killing.
    
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    May 12, 2018 1:17pm
- Duxton
  
  Don’t worry. I am more than confident that Jacinda will be able to draw on her close friendship with Donald Trump to get NZ exempted…..
  
  Oh, hang on….
  
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  May 12, 2018 3:08pm
Lance

There was some mindless bint on ‘The Nation’ this morning loudly proclaiming that “Farmers are the biggest welfare recipients in NZ”
Of course she wasn’t challenged at all.
WTF?
She was too young to be stuck in the 1970’s so I don’t how what substance she was abusing?
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May 12, 2018 11:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  Farmers and their families have put up with this rubbish for years and years.
  Most just get on with their work.
  For others the abuse gets too much for them to cope with and they………?
  (Answer is not go on holiday to Fiji or get a job in town selling real estate).
  
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  May 12, 2018 11:25am
  - holysheet
    
    Cannnot be suicide. Cindy has made it her goal to rid us of that. It’s just a pity that most of them are by the farming community, so they are excluded from her support.
    
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    May 12, 2018 1:18pm
Nookin

Oh dear, another promise broken. Never mind, they are only children and it only affects the regions.
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/government-under-fire-letting-village-close
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May 12, 2018 11:54am
- Viking2
  
  Time for them to set up a Give a Little page. I would donate to that. Seen the work done years ago. Plenty of kids and families need these services. Better that Cyps or whatever they call it these days.
  
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  May 12, 2018 5:33pm
Fletch

Mark Penn, who served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, asks the question no one else is thinking to ask – who is paying Stormy Daniels’ lawyer? She admits that it sure ain’t her.

So exactly who is paying Michael Avenatti? And is he a lawyer, an opposition researcher, a journalist, or a campaign operative?

He wants to make the discussion all about where Michael Cohen, President Trump’s personal attorney, got his money but, to have clean hands, Avenatti needs to come forward with exactly who is financing his operation, who his sources were for detailed banking information, and whether he really is an attorney solely representing Stormy Daniels or just using her as cover to wage a political operation.

From the beginning, this has been fishy. Daniels’s previous lawyer advised her to stick to her agreements. In contrast, Avenatti okayed her violating with impunity her non-disclosure agreement on “60 Minutes” despite a binding arbitration judgment against her. She acknowledged on Twitter that she is not paying for her lawyer. So who is? And did he indemnify her against all multimillion-dollar penalties?

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/387088-who-is-paying-michael-avenatti
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May 12, 2018 12:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , another Clinton type Body count conspiracy in the making?
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/387135-avenatti-says-donations-pay-his-fees
  
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  May 12, 2018 12:42pm
  - Viking2
    
    Do you work for that corrupt lot as well SB?
    
    Looks awfully like it.
    
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    May 12, 2018 5:36pm
- holysheet
  
  Us the New Zealand taxpayers via the corrupt Clinton foundation, that’s who.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:20pm
sooty

I don’t know about rumors, but I am enjoying The Fish Of The Day over on WO. It does take the mickey out of the ruling politiratey ( excuse the spelling) They may even be better than any rumor, it least you get a new one every day! Shut down one avenue and there is a new starting up, as well as the old one. Double the trouble! They should have just STFUP, especially the lorde fish.
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May 12, 2018 12:34pm
- holysheet
  
  A fisherman just passed a drugs test at work. Although he’s happy to have kept his job, he’ll be having words with his dealer.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:21pm
Jack5

Canadians are a PC mob.

Who would have though that the old name for Newfoundlanders – “Newfies” – could offend? Apparently “Newfie” has become a term in Canada for “stupid”.

How you could make an iron link between that meaning and the abbreviation for “Newfoundler” is puzzling. Unless of course, and I doubt it very much, Newfoundland IS an island province of fuckwits.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/11/anthony-bourdain-newfies-newfoundland-show-tweet-response-criticism
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May 12, 2018 12:38pm
- sooty
  
  Must be like Australia. The people from Tasmania are all inbred and have two heads etc.
  
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  May 12, 2018 12:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yet, Sooty, I’ve found Tasmanians to be the most likeable Aussies.
    
    Folk toss around the term “inbred” in NZ, too, but they need to be careful. The fifth or sixth of New Zealanders descended from Maori who came in not many canoe loads. It used to be said there were seven canoes, but now they say there were a few more.
    
    Still, when Maori “forgot” how to sail the ocean, their numbers were small and isolated.
    
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    May 12, 2018 12:57pm
    - Paulus
      
      Consider that 14% of the population of the USA are African Americans – about the same proportion as Maori in New Zealand but nowhere near the interbred Maori.
      
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      May 12, 2018 2:02pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s because all the Polynesian races were stuck on a few little islands for several thousand years, Paulus.
        The African Americans had their genes mixed with European ones early on in the days of slavery.
        The slave owners found it infinitely cheaper, easier and more pleasurable to produce their own slaves than keep importing them.
        But first they had to bring in a law to allow the enslavement of their own (mixed race) children.
        
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        May 12, 2018 6:59pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    There has been an interesting court case in Launceston this week. It centres around the question that if you divorce your wife, does she remain your sister?
    
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    May 12, 2018 1:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      How did we get from “Newfies” to incest in Tasmania?
      
      It’s a pretty place, a lot like the South Island, but with some dangerous slithering critters, like tiger snakes, though I understand no-one’s been killed by them for years.
      
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      May 12, 2018 1:47pm
      - Duxton
        
        “…incest in Tasmania.”
        
        Don’ t you mean ‘Launceston, Tasmania’?
        
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        May 13, 2018 12:28am
sooty

Is there somewhere we can go for a list of the self drive cars that the MP’s get given. Like what car would a MP with no drivers liecence have parked in their shed. Can they choose anything, they wish? Who has delusions of grandeur? What’s with the new Tesla doing parked at Commie Cindys and who’s paying is it only for towing the boat? edit What did John Key drive and did the taxpayer pay for it?
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May 12, 2018 12:46pm
noskire

Quite a good quote from Martin Devlin

Social media is essentially talkback. For a long time, those in the industry on your (written) side of it scorned talkback as the uninformed rabble mouthing off. Now you dive into the cesspool of tweets and social media as if it means something … explain that to me? Talkback is the only honest form of this type of feedback. It is a hell of a lot easier to sit anonymously at a keyboard … but when your voice is out there, someone knows who you are.

The full interview is here.
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May 12, 2018 12:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Talkback is the only honest form of this type of feedback.”
  
  By identified and verified callers?
  
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  May 12, 2018 12:58pm
  - Duxton
    
    Says the anonymous goat shagger.
    
    (Snort!)
    
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    May 13, 2018 12:29am
Jack5

The Melon Greens are splashing out with our tax money.

A Green Minister, Sage, announced today the spending of $81.3 million over four years for predator control – as PART of increased conservation spending in the Budget.

“This injection of $81.3 million is only the start of this Government’s investment in Nature,” Sage said.

Jacinderella will wave her wand, and the money will be there – stacks of it.
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May 12, 2018 1:04pm
- KevOB
  
  Are greens include in predators?
  
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  May 12, 2018 3:33pm
  - RalphT
    
    And those who attend Labour Party youth camps…
    
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    May 12, 2018 3:42pm
    - sooty
      
      1080. Let’s spread it!
      
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      May 12, 2018 3:45pm
- Viking2
  
  Nope that’s courtesy of the last 9 years. lots of tax being paid.
  
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  May 12, 2018 6:46pm
JibberJabber

There are 4 things that the SJW liberal left love to hate, Ageism, Racism, Sexism and Old White Men.
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May 12, 2018 1:11pm
Johnboy

I always new that Aussie’s were a bunch of tasteless wankers. This article proves it beyond all doubt!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/103823871/how-to-make-mcdonalds-chicken-mcnuggets-at-home
“A high school teacher has become an Australian national hero after discovering how to recreate McDonald’s chicken nuggets at home.”
I mean FFS! 🙂
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May 12, 2018 1:43pm
- JibberJabber
  
  If Frankfurters and hotdogs are made from Lips and Arseholes, Chicken nuggets have got to be made from Beaks and Cloacas.
  
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  May 12, 2018 1:53pm
  - Johnboy
    
    They always reckon that if you saw how sausages were made you’d never eat one again. However I love a good meaty banger. The best I ever ate were goose sausages made by an old mainland hunter. Two or three of those fried up with eggs set you up for the day on the hill! 🙂
    
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    May 12, 2018 2:00pm
  - KevOB
    
    Beef cheeks have been traditionally used in saveloys because of the expected texture they add.
    
    Having once worked in a NZ small goods factory the quality of the food is excellent. Pork & mutton plus additives like milk powder and certified seasonings. All meat was freshly killed and inspected with no reject meat being allowed. Some of the more fatty pig was used but that was all according to recipe. The fact that it was turned to paste is for the packaging in prepared sheep casings or the newer continuous varieties.
    
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    May 12, 2018 3:43pm
    - Johnboy
      
      You’ve got to have the greasy old pork fat in there to make a good sausage KOB! 🙂
      
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      May 12, 2018 5:33pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I really enjoy fish sausage (hard to get in Auckland). Brings back memories of the good old days…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ4p6AXQPxE
      
      So nostalgic!
      
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      May 12, 2018 6:42pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I realise you Jappers scoff in the face of danger Oddo old chap but getting your fishy bits to pack the saussies can be seriously life-threatening! 🙂
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X0hq0ug9q4
        
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        May 12, 2018 6:48pm
MH

Hi Mr Protus,
I’m Jacinda. We met a few months ago and perhaps a misunderstanding occured-it may have something to do with my pregnancy, but lets move on. Recently one of our trains left the track up in Auckland and on investigation it appears the track or something to do with the rails was at fault possibly due to using Chinese Steel, but let’s get down to brass tracks, if we need to replace and I don’t- sorry My Foreign Minister informs me-our Glenbrook steel mill can’t cope or the workers may cause trouble getting out the old blue prints, we were wondering,which we are doing a lot of recently, if we could get a trade deal with you and buy a few lengths of track. A Mississippi chain gang would assist us as well with the promise of citizenship- a win win situation. Hope all is well. Can you see North Korea from Alaska, its the coal polution or radiation reflection that reduces the distance I suppose. Oh, I just felt a litlle kick,(winston stop it). He says trains in Russia are the most reliable. I must go.
Thanking you in advance
Ms Adern Prime Minister of NZ same as you except we don’t have a helicopter
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May 12, 2018 3:38pm
- RF
  
  Hey Commie Chick.
  
  We need America to support us.
  
  When Billy Boy Clinton was here for APEC I was so impressed with the gear the yanks had at their disposal in NZ. There were large USAF cargo aircraft lined up at ChCh Airport continuously unloading a shit load of gear.
  
  Billy was cruising around in his armoured SUVs with his agents loaded for bear.
  
  Walking into the hotel he was staying in reminded me of Dodge City with his agents openly carrying sidearms.
  
  Funny but it gave me a feeling of security….
  
  Thanks to our communist PM we might just have jack booted Ruskies or Chinese walking our streets in several years.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:35pm
Manolo

Time for this bugger to go. Quietly.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mccain-even-illness-sparks-lively-timely-debates-220656179–politics.html

As in so much of the senator’s extraordinary life, the rebellious Republican is facing this challenging chapter — battling brain cancer — in his own rule-breaking way, stirring up old fights and starting new ones. Rarely has the sickbed been so lively.
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May 12, 2018 4:18pm
- RF
  
  I hear of some US Vets who refer to this turkey as the “song bird”.
  
  They truely believe he was not a tough POW and ratted out his mates.
  
  I was not there so not sure who is telling the truth but it’s interesting these same guys detest Hanoi Jane Fonda who was a known traitor.
  
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  May 12, 2018 10:42pm
Jack5

Economist Michael Reddell in his Croaking Cassandra blog has an interesting opinion on the NZ Super Fund’s plan to finance light rail in NZ.

A taste:

“All too much power – over your money and mine – is vested in the hands of people who themselves face little or no effective accountability, and such accountability as they may feel seems more often served by responding to the interests of governments of the day (of whichever stripe), or feel-good public moods.”

https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/05/11/revisiting-the-nzsf/
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May 12, 2018 4:57pm
Johnboy

It’s a bit fuckin quiet this GD today? 🙂
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May 12, 2018 5:31pm
- Longknives
  
  Everybody is staying over at this weekend’s Labour Party Camp Johnboy.
  Apparently there is a shitload of free (taxpayer funded) booze and more sexual debauchery than backstage at a Motley Crue concert..
  
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  May 12, 2018 5:36pm
  - Johnboy
    
    What sort of funny fish of the weak are they tossing on the barbie Lk old chap? 🙂
    
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    May 12, 2018 5:38pm
- nasska
  
  Do you realise that it’s only twenty three years since the Hutt Valley unveiled its new slogan for promoting its cities: “Right up my Hutt Valley”.
  
  Time for a new one. My nomination for 2018 is “It’s Only Gay if You Push Back”. 🙂
  
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  May 12, 2018 5:39pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I see that Featherston is experiencing a resurgence nasska! Perhaps the Wairarapa should adopt the slogan…”Over the hill but not quite dead yet”! 🙂
    
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    May 12, 2018 6:29pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Featherston is experiencing a resurgence”…..
      
      I know & it’s unbelieveable. I wouldn’t live in the dump for punishment but it’s about the last place this side of Eketahuna where you could buy a reasonable house & have change out of $400K.
      
      The upside is that most have a pre dug hangi pit in the backyard so you can save a few bob on a new stove. 🙂
      
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      May 12, 2018 6:49pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Wondered where you were! Glad to see you’re not dead yet! 🙂
        
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        May 12, 2018 6:53pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s bloody hard to get a bite tonight nasska!
    Where’s bloody Gaylord when he’s really needed? 🙂
    
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    May 12, 2018 6:31pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Tonight Shona Laing with Soviet Snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=901-aseuixM
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May 12, 2018 5:55pm
nasska

There was a major gas explosion in South Auckland this afternoon.

Emergency services say it’s done $500,000 worth of improvements.
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May 12, 2018 7:15pm
Prince

Crusaders very nearly spoilt the run of NZ wins over Aussie teams. Thank god the ref rescued them in second half with an endless string of penalties.
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May 12, 2018 7:27pm
gorse

Tried reading Whaloil’s “Backchat” just now, what a bunch of shallow people posting there. Nothing of interest, came back to Kiwiblog.
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May 12, 2018 7:28pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Nothing of interest”…..
  
  Pete’s left a legacy at Whale’s site. Everyone who used to say anything interesting has been banned & those who are left are morons.
  
  But that’s how they like it.
  
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  May 12, 2018 7:34pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Thank the good Lord that there’s none of them “moron” bastards here on KB! 🙂
    
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    May 12, 2018 7:36pm
    - nasska
      
      Well, at least they start thinning out a bit after midday JB. By then they’ve sorted out any new fangled, anti Jesus stuff, the gin bottle’s empty & it’s time for a bit of shut-eye. 🙂
      
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      May 12, 2018 7:40pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Quite so nasska. I slept in this morning and never touched the bottle till this afternoon. I’m raring to go if any other moron want’s a bluddy good foight! 🙂
        
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        May 12, 2018 7:45pm
wreck1080

Stupid MSM…

“Former MP Tau Henare splits from wife”

This is not news, let the guys private life be!
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May 12, 2018 7:42pm
- Johnboy
  
  He’s always had a bit of a problem with the frontbums! 🙂
  
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  May 12, 2018 7:48pm
Viking2

More lies from Cindy and twin Twatford.

The Salvation Army says the Government may fall well short of targets for urgent social housing this winter.

The Housing First scheme finds homes for the long-term homeless and those with multiple or complex needs.

“Most of them are available now but we’re going to continue through the winter to meet that target of 1500,” said Mr Twyford.

“We’ve made really great progress in the last six months and we’ll continue to go flat out through the winter.”

But figures released by Mr Twyford’s office show just 36 percent of the 1500 places are available now, and most of those are in transitional housing.

Only 306 of the 1071 new state housing places are ready, and 236 of the 416 transitional housing places.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/05/a-third-of-new-social-housing-ready-despite-govt-claims-most-were-available.html

Lesson for the Sallies. Keep out of politics for you will get burnt.
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