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KiWombat

I hate to mention it again, but somebody has to keep their finger on the long list of promises – so here goes in a slightly higher voice – –

Are you out there Shane? – wakey wakey, hands off snakey – 45 million trees to go now Shane – that’s 45 followed by a bucketful of zero’s !

Summer’s over now, winter is just around the corner, so it’s the right time to start planting – better go wake up your cuzzies and give them a shovel some time soon !
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April 3, 2018 8:01am
- VicParking
  
  No you cant plant in Autumn you have to wait till spring
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:27am
  - KiWombat
    
    So by then we’ll have had to wait a year Vic, and be 100,000,000 trees behind the target.
    
    Perhaps New Zealand will have woken up by then and started to add up all the promises that just won’t get delivered !
    
    Remind me – how many did they plant last Spring?
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:33am
    - sooty
      
      Where’s the seedlings to plant?
      
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      April 3, 2018 12:28pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Given Shane’s girth, a few hours on the end of a shovel would do him no harm at all.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:47am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Dunno ‘bout that OG. Jones looks like he’d need defibrillation if he walked to the shed to get the shovel in the first place.
    
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    April 3, 2018 4:10pm
EAD_TWO

Why do the folks of Google hate Christians so much?

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/04/01/google-snubbed-easter-with-no-doodle-for-18th-year-in-row-christians-say.html

On literally any random there’s an elaborate doodle to celebrate the most obscure of religious holidays of literally anyone or the birthday of some unknown brown Marxist Lesbian Scientist who made some minor achievement but the biggest day of the Christian calendar………….…crickets…………..
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April 3, 2018 8:01am
- mandk
  
  Fear not EAD_TWO, the President of the United States of America delivered a wonderful Easter message:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrcrcrYWRn0
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Google really are on a mission…
  
  Search for “american inventors” and you get a very warped view of history. 2 whites in the first 25!
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:10am
  - stephieboy
    
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    cmm, got this within milliseconds,
    
    https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-american-inventors-list/reference
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:32am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Google “American Musicians” or google “white couples” to see the sick nature of the societal revolution they are conducting.
    
    But if you point out the facts on who runs Google, you’d probably get arrested for a hate crime
    
    Here is the Huffington Post “Why Google Is More Jewish Than Facebook”
    
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dovid-efune/why-google-is-more-jewish_b_1272245.html
    
    I suppose I shouldn’t read too much into the fact that the ADL works hand in glove with google to censure the internet?
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-steps-in-to-stop-jews-running-hollywood/
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:37am
    - itstricky
      
      American Musicians
      
      Que? Really? American Music history is absolutely littered with very famous and very influential black musicians and Afro-American music styles. Do you really know what you’re talking about with this one? Do you even know what rock ‘n’ roll is? Hey, there’s this thing called ‘Jazz’ and once upon a time ago…
      
      white couples
      
      https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Google-incorrectly-show-interracial-couples-during-image-searches
      
      Glad I could help.
      
      But if you point out the facts
      
      What, like the facts that American music is littered with black musicians?
      
      Why Google Is More Jewish Than Facebook
      
      Owners are Jewish. Here we go again… back to your old prejudices.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I rarely agree with itstricky much, but he’s quite right on music. It almost defines what makes “American Music” different is the contribution from black, American, musicians – and this traces to a variety of musical roots.
        
        That’s not to say that there haven’t been famous non-black American musicians, some of whom also contributed significantly, but blacks have contributed well out of proportion to their numbers.
        
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        April 3, 2018 2:46pm
  - itstricky
    
    Google really are on a mission…
    
    And here I was, thinking you were a logical, rational, computer programmer.
    
    What results to Google put at the top, cmm? How do they rank them?
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:27am
    - cmm
      
      “What results to Google put at the top, cmm? How do they rank them?”
      
      They use a “tweaked” page ranking algorithm that is very tweaked to reflect their biases.
      
      Type in “american inventors” and you get a heavily slanted row of pictures mainly of pretty obscure inventors.
      
      Note this row of pictures is not a part of the normal search algorithm. It is a tweaked “add on”.
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:59am
      - itstricky
        
        very tweaked to reflect their biases.
        
        Rubbish.
        
        If I Google “usa inventors” or “united states inventors”, I get very different results.
        
        You only have to think about why you get the results and rankings you get, based on the terms you used, for more than two seconds to think at least a couple of reasons as to what might be going on. Just like “white couples” above.
        
        It’s interesting that you put your conspiracy thoughts above your rational programmer’s thoughts.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:14am
- Fletch
  
  The TV networks are a bit like that here now, too. A couple of decades ago they would have screened something religious over Easter – a rerun of Cecil B. DeMille’s The Ten Commandments, Jesus of Nazareth, or even something like Ben Hur, or The Greatest Story Ever Told. Now they don’t even pretend to try.
  
  Nothing.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:38am
  - SPC
    
    Older people have already seen them (again and again before the internet age) and younger people can stream whatever they want to watch.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    They actually did make an effort.
    
    At least 2 films were “inappropriate” for the Easter weekend.
    
    Calendar Girls and Full Monty.
    
    They must have had fun chosing those.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:54am
    - waikatogirl
      
      We re-watched Calendar Girls.
      I disagree with it being “inappropriate” for Easter. How is a group of women raising money for a cancer ward in a local hospital non-Christian? There is no nudity, just a bunch of twinset and purls middle-aged women who belong to the staid old Womens’ Division having a bit of fun while doing good. ?
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:25am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s the intent .
        
        I don’t recall any cock and balls in Full Monty either.
        
        But two strip movies ( however twee they may be ) over Easter weekend is more than a coincidence.
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:58am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Possibly kowtow, but there are bigger fish to fry than a couple of very watchable, minimal nudity and non-violent films to watch at Easter.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:55am
  - lifesgood
    
    National Geographic had some good Religious Easter programmes.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:11am
    - mikewasmild
      
      Yes, well – they’ve been taken over by News Corp, so won’t be averse to peddling more than a spot of Christian propaganda.
      
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      April 3, 2018 6:28pm
  - VicParking
    
    Transformers is a deeply religious movie. A fight between good and evil to save mankind.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:29am
  - MCos
    
    Things are pretty desperate when you want to watch Ben bloody Hur at any time of the year.
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:12am
    - mikewasmild
      
      Start watching Ben Hur for the religious content, keep watching for the homosexual undertones.
      
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      April 3, 2018 6:29pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It’s positively Orwellian!
  
  Any bearded. kiddie-raping mullah takes a shit and there’s a Google doodle about it. Christians and Easter – not so much.
  
  So much for Diversity and accommodating all views!
  
  Trying to eradicate a thing by ignoring it is hate speech, it’s the same thing as the #MeToo is about – they think that sexual abuse has been swept under the carpet in an attempt to deny it’s existence.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:47am
  - itstricky
    
    Any bearded. kiddie-raping mullah takes a shit and there’s a Google doodle about it
    
    Do they? Can you provide an example by way of reference, please?
    
    I can’t see one here:
    
    https://www.google.com/doodles?hl=en-NZ
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:02am
    - itstricky
      
      Can’t be that ubiquitous, then.
      
      So, it seems like:
      
      (a) “white couples” may not give you what you expect, but it the results are entirely relevant and in line with the search terms used;
      
      (b) similarly, “american inventors” may not give you what you expect, but the results are entirely relevant and in line with the search terms used;
      
      (c) “american musicians” gives you exactly what you expect; and
      
      (d) there are no doodles of terrorist Muslims.
      
      Good lesson in the use of search terms for research, team! I think we’ve disproved the hypothesis that Google is a Christian white man oppressing megalith.
      
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      April 3, 2018 4:11pm
holysheet

I NEVER KNEW THIS
Did you know “listen” and “silent” use the same letters? Do you also know that the words race car spelled backwards still spells “race car?” And that “eat” is the only word that if you take the first letter and move it to the last, it spells its past tense “ate?” And have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in “illegal immigrants,” and add just a few more letters, it spells: “Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking arseholes and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-shagging, raggedy-ass bastards with you.”
How weird is that? English really is a strange language, isn’t it?
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April 3, 2018 8:03am
- KiWombat
  
  Well done holy !
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:05am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet, very deep.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:33am
- rightoverlabour
  
  You left out stephieboy in the list (although the goat shagging might suffice).
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:46am
  - Nev.
    
    Did you know if you rearrange the letters in stephies name it spells pee shit yob
    Coincidence? I think not.
    Nev.
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:11am
- billmurray
  
  holysheet, so true, well said.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:10am
waikatogirl

The Easter road toll has tripled from last year to six. Sadly two of those were very young children, a 2-year-old and his six-month-old brother on the Desert Road.

You can’t legislate this stuff away. It’s always going to happen when everyone piles on the road to rush off for a few days holidays.

Condolences to all the families.
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April 3, 2018 8:04am
- pdm
  
  And I -mistakenly – thought Phil and Julie Ann had fixed it.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:19am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Hence is the reason they didn’t get their roles in “The real Harry Potter”
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Sounds like they will try and fix it by making everyone drive at 7o kmh unless there is a dividing barrier.
    So we’ll all die of boredom instead.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:48am
    - waikatogirl
      
      What a STUPID idea. Has the suggestion of 70kmp come from JAG? Please tell the country that’s what you intend JAG and see what the response is.
      
      Snigger.
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:11am
- labrator
  
  Well you can legislate it to make it worse by focusing on one component of accidents, speed, and ignore the more prudent problems of attention and competence. You can be as inattentive and incompetent as you like but as long as you’re under the speed limit you’re safe as houses… (apart from when you die that is).
  
  Isn’t time to admit the ridiculous experiment with “holiday speed allowance” has failed miserably and has made people less attentive to the road and more attentive to their speedo?
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:20am
  - VicParking
    
    It does not help if you drive on the wrong side of the road or fail to stop at intersections
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:33am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  People are dying because of Julie-Anne Genter
  This is the Minister for Bigotry’s fault. JAG is also the Minister with responsibility for road safety.
  
  The blood of these children is on her hands!
  
  (That’s how the Greens played politics when they were in opposition, you can bet they won’t like getting their own medicine back)
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:50am
  - KiWombat
    
    Pack up GangGreen’s yank skank and send her home !
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:36am
- JibberJabber
  
  Stuff have missed April 1st by 2 days with this article,
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/102760031/is-100-kmh-too-fast-landmark-report-wants-70-kmh-open-road-speed-limit
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:56am
cmm

Ding dong, the witch is dead. Winnie Mandela dead at age 81.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/102772095/winnie-madikizelamandela-south-africas-mother-of-the-nation-dies-at-81

“Without condoning her misdemeanours, we must acknowledge that she is a victim, she is damaged and hurt,” said future South African president Kgalema Motlanthe, who at the time was ANC Secretary General. “When someone is subjected to the kind of consistent persecution and harassment she suffered from the apartheid system, something is bound to snap. We understand that and will always be there for her.”

Misdemenours? Misdemenours are parking fines and such.

Winnie committed fraud and was sentenced to 5 years imprisonment (but let off because of her connections).

She had her own personal security detail/hit squad who kidnapped tortured and murdered. Winnie was found guilty as an accessory to murder and sentenced to six years but that was reduced to a two-year suspended sentence. This happened twice, but she was linked to eight murders in all.

But it’s all Ok because of apartheid or something…

That’s some serious black-knighting.
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April 3, 2018 8:04am
- Longknives
  
  What an absolute nasty piece of work that woman was.
  I suspect few will mourn her passing…
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:07am
  - Inandout
    
    Long: Only tyre tube makers I would imagine. Thank goodness her habit of burning people with ‘Winnie Necklaces’ came to an end, but what a horrible way to die. There must be a bad place somewhere for now she is dead. Bitch.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:11am
  - holysheet
    
    Wait for the squawking from the left trolls and stalkers to try and defend the vile bitch.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:13am
    - Lance
      
      The wicked old Spanish Inquisition and others of their ilk burned people alive (and indeed they were barbarians, vile turds in general).
      And the leftists rightly condemn these historical pricks.
      But when Winnie advocates it and overseas it in the modern era it’s all good.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    “I suspect few will mourn her passing”
    
    No, she’s a hero in the reconstructed history – particularly amongst those who were born post apartheid.
    
    https://twitter.com/hashtag/winniemandela?lang=en
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yep, the young social media guy on TV3 was calling her the mother of the nation, stating social media were all talking about her and mourning Winnie’s death. Luckily we have Eric Young on this morning who filled in a few facts for the young ‘journalist’ pointing out her dark side, murder, leader of a gang of thugs, etc.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:23am
    - Harkman
      
      Well the obvious thing is Nelson divorced her, which says it all.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:45am
      - GoVege
        
        He did try to live with her after his release but was utterly miserable.
        Apparently she was no longer interested in an old dude like him.
        Serves him right for ditching his wife and four kids for that b*tch IMO.
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:37am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      When I was at Wits it was well known she was shagging half the education department while her husband languished in jail. The first thing he did on release was divorce her.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:50am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep the Guardian obit has it that her incitement to brutal murder was honkey’s fault…….
      
      “As the violence of the apartheid authorities reached new intensity, Madikizela-Mandela was drawn into a world of internecine betrayal, reprisals and atrocity.
      
      “We have no guns – we have only stones, boxes of matches and petrol,” she told a township crowd. “Together, hand-in-hand, with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.” Necklacing was the term for killing a perceived traitor with a petrol-filled burning tyre around the neck.”
      
      It’s ok in lefty world for blacks to burn blacks , but by golly dare a white Southerner lynch a black man……..
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:06am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Won`t be long before you can get a Winnie M tee shirt to match a Che` shirt that all the ‘activists’ wear.
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:00am
    - alloytoo
      
      The same generation who have forgotten Helen Suzman.
      
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      April 3, 2018 11:50am
- RF
  
  Murdering thug.. no loss….presume a female can be called a thug ?
  
  From memory her gang of criminals was named after a local soccer team.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:10am
  - cmm
    
    Her gang/football team was named after her: Mandela United Football Club
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:13am
    - Lance
      
      They only played football with peoples heads
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:31am
- EAD_TWO
  
  WOW. Winnie Mandella is being given the full Sainthood treatment.
  
  “The Mother of The Nation”
  
  “One of the greatest icons of the struggle against Apartheid in South Africa”
  
  Her litany of crimes are brushed over as nothing more than jay-walking or littering as it was all in the name of “the cause”.
  
  Fraud convictions, insubordination and allegations of crimes from corruption to murder all seemed, at different points, to spell her downfall. Yet Madikizela-Mandela always rebounded.
  
  No mention of course of the realities of SA after 26 years of ANC rule.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:14am
  - stephieboy
    
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    EAD TWO, regrettably there is no question of turning the clock back where a few million dominated 30 or so million.
    
    Fortunately, there was no bloodbath or bloody civil war as confidently predicted by some of our apartheid apologists here and elsewhere.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      “Fortunately, there was no bloodbath or bloody civil war as confidently predicted by some of our apartheid apologists here and elsewhere.”
      
      What a moronic statement. Kiwibog did not exist at the time of the end of apartheid, so how could people here have “confidently predicted” it.
      
      Those that were expecting civil war at the time thought the Mkonto We Sizwe (ANC armed wing) were actually going to be the “freedom fighters” they said they were. If they had, there would have been something more akin to civil war.
      
      Instead the MK was just a bunch of thugs out to kill other black people in a black-on-black struggle for post-apartheid rule.
      
      I could have understood the MK taking up arms against whites (Afrikaners in particular) as part of an “armed struggle” against apartheid but they did not. They only made a very small number of attacks on the white government/population.
      
      They did, however, commit thousands of killings of other black people. For every white that was killed, dozens of black people got shot, stabbed or necklaced.
      
      Notice that all of Winnie Mandela’s victims were black. She can’t be said to have been doing this as part of the struggle against apartheid.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:52am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Your history is a bit jaded
      While Apartheid was a bad system
      Try to remember, it would have lasted a lot longer, without F.W. deKlerk, the other recipient of the peace prize and the actual person responsible for ending Apartheid. After all he was the president that relinquished power, released Mandella so that apartheid could end.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:26am
      - holysheet
        
        Apartheid ended?
        Tell that to all the white farmers left there.
        
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        April 3, 2018 4:01pm
- Huevon
  
  Morning Report was effusive in their praise when reporting her death…”mother of the nation”, stood by Nelson for 27 years, opponent of apartheid.
  
  Why do taxpayers keep supporting this fake news service?
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Why does anyone still listern to it
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:37am
- GoVege
  
  “Mother of the nation”?
  No wonder that place has problems.
  A vicious individual who proved that women can outdo men in cruelty and evil doings.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:54am
EAD_TWO

Does anyone remember Israel’s plan to deport all of their African migrants back to Africa?

Looks like their plans have changed – instead, they will now resettle the migrants in white countries (not that they are aware of it yet).

Absolutely beyond parody:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-migrants/israel-says-to-send-16000-african-migrants-to-western-countries-idUSKCN1H90WQ

Israel said on Monday it has scrapped a plan to deport African migrants to Africa and reached an agreement with the U.N. refugee agency to send more than 16,000 to Western countries instead.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu named Canada, Italy and Germany as some of the nations that will take in the migrants – although they appeared not to have been informed of the plan yet.

What are the chances our so-called “leaders” could negotiate with the UN to ship some of the undending tide of our so called “refugees” to Israel?
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April 3, 2018 8:05am
- SPC
  
  In fact it was a UN brokered deal in which Israel settles half and half go elsewhere.
  
  You could compare it to the Americans taking some from that island off Oz.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:09am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Doesn’t sound like it was “brokered” when the other countries didn’t even know about it!
    
    Do you not think the likes of Germany & Italy haven’t got enough problem already with Africans?
    
    Anyhow, read around a little bit and see the way Israel has already ensured that they won’t be taking any Africans and the West will be dumped with them:
    
    https://apnews.com/d523c1ab7efa4925b16a0d646161b6a1
    
    Israel considers the vast majority of the nearly 40,000 migrants to be job seekers and has said it has no legal obligation to keep them.
    
    That line is really something isn’t it?
    
    Quite different to the bullshit the people who own the MSM in the West tell us isn’t it? Australia can’t even get rid of the Blacks currently terrorising Melbourne with their MSM bending over backwards telling the Aussies how it is their fault they’re not “integrating” these savages and if they did, they would “help the economy” as if this is justification enough to keep them over there.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO , again we can’t turn the clock back when your friend Adolf tried to impose racial purity with disastrous.
      
      It included not only the Nuremberg laws abut also studying US segregation laws for inspiration
      
      https://aeon.co/ideas/why-the-nazis-studied-american-race-laws-for-inspiration
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:43am
      - Harkman
        
        And these race laws were set up by Progressive Democrats and were opposed by Capitalistic Republicans.
        
        The economic policy difference between left-wing political parties and the Nazis during the 1930s was…….zero.
        
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        April 3, 2018 8:54am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Stephieboy – I don’t recommend you venture into areas you know nothing about because you’re about to have your ass handed to you again 🙂
        
        The German National Socialists Nuremburg laws about who is, and isn’t a German, are actually a watered down version of the the Torahs laws of matrilineal descent as to who is and who isn’t a Jew.
        
        The National Socialists literally borrowed from the Jews
        
        The difference is though in modern Germany, the State actively encourages the watering down of the German bloodline via propaganda:
        
        http://newobserveronline.com/german-govt-promotes-interracial-sex/
        
        whilst Israel has rigorously enforced laws that bars Jews from marrying from non-Jews to ensure they maintain their racial purity:
        
        https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-could-you-marry-in-israel-1.5250455
        
        If you’ve been in a country like America, France or Britain, you’ll also know all to well the pressures to “marry within the tribe” that is placed on the Jewish diaspora.
        
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        April 3, 2018 8:58am
      - stephieboy
        
        harkman , untrue. Capitalist Republicans displayed no political spine or guts by getting Southern US states to change those Dixiecrat segregation laws.They were quite happy with the stays quo !
        
        It’s the Republicans now in political control of the old Confederate South.
        
        It was a Democrat congress and President that paved the way for Civil Rights legislation and a desegregation of the South.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:20am
RF

I missed my Tuesday morning laugh.. Mike Hosking normally has the Airhead on his programme.

Is she off trying find her pooch that has slipped his collar from where she left him on the porch.
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April 3, 2018 8:05am
- cmm
  
  Little Shih Tzu down the street is on heat. What can you do?
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:22am
Captain Mainwaring

341 runs to get in a full day’s play with all 10 wickets in hand.
If the openers keep going for a while and speed things up a bit, then if Williamston, Taylor, Nicholls and DeGrandhomme can hit a run a ball or better and average at least 50 each it should be a piece of piss.
But if there’s an early collapse we can shut up shop and still win the series,
That’s my plan anyway.
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April 3, 2018 8:05am
- Longknives
  
  I’d like to see it happen but chasing a total down on the final day is never a ‘piece of piss’.
  But if you really think that- TAB are offering $12 to 1…
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:09am
- Poppa
  
  Those overs lost yesterday were really a shame as I think they would have given it a good shake if we had another 90mins to bat.
  
  As it is I can’t honestly see it happening but would love to be proved wrong
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:12am
- mandk
  
  We should shut up shop.
  
  Our guys would benefit far more from practising steadfast resistance than from going for glory and risking crashing and burning.
  
  I want England to be left in no doubt about which is the better team.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:16am
- Harkman
  
  It might rain after lunch.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:39am
- Colville
  
  I would like to see DeGrandhomme go in at first drop, then Southee…both to just smash it. then back to the regular lineup.
  
  We need 340 runs in a day that should be a half hour longer than regular…but the test has averaged just over 240 runs a day… so its a 40% step up in scoring rate for us to win it.
  
  That said… the pitch appears to be holding steady and not throwing up surprises.
  
  Met service shows rain this morning?? WTF !!
  
  Looking forward to it!
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:54am
- Kimbo
  
  Forget the runs. Bat out time. We only bat down to no. 7. A series win, be it 1-0 or 2-0 is still a series win. Scoring 341 in aday, let alone on the last one, against bowlers of the calibre of Anderson and Broad, with another new ball due just before tea? Nope. They wont even be considering it, and nor should they IMHO.
  
  Instead, it will be a case of playing every ball on its merits, avoiding loose shots but not being so defensive the batsmen don’t play their own game or surrender the initiative to the bowlers. If we are still there by the end of play, then we will have scored about another 200 or so runs.
  
  For fans of limited over cricket this is going to be a borefest. But for the true cricket tragics and purists, this is why we watch test cricket.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:43am
- dime
  
  unthinkable 10 years ago.
  
  nowadays – chasing almost 400 to win? it can be done..
  
  it wont be done by us today though.
  
  would be lovely to hang on for a draw and win the series
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:51am
  - MCos
    
    Unthinkable 10 years ago.
    Unthinkable now.
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:17am
    - dime
      
      it seems to be happening more regularly now.
      
      id rather be in englands situation that ours though!
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        Maybe. Just take it over by over. If, when we began batting yesterday with some three hours of scheduled play left in the day, and you had said you will be only two wickets down at this stage
        
        …you would have thought, on balance, the two sides were even. Just needs two of Latham, Taylor, or Nicholls and Watling to come to form a partnership. Once you get in and negotiate the new ball, there is bugger all in the pitch to get you out, even against the left arm spinner if they use good technique and shot selection. Instead it is more likely to be loss of concentration.
        
        But once three of them go, and the tail gets in (including Southee who has no technique to play a defensive inning so) then I wouldn’t give much for our chances. So need to get to tea with our tail still protected. But that is hours away. First target is seeing off Broad and Anderson in this spell, then drinks at 11:30AM, then…
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So much for my idea. Raval and Williamson out in the first two balls of the day.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:39am
  - Kimbo
    
    So now we get the purists’ delight of watching a last day defensive fight back, while ticking off every over, not forgetting negotiating the second new ball just before tea if we get that far, and all the while wishing and watching eagerly for adverse light and weather conditions.
    
    Isn’t that so much more interesting then yet another boring 300+ run chase? ?
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:50am
    - Colville
      
      20 runs scored in the last 24 balls…maybe the lads didnt read your memo? 🙂
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:59am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And how Taylor’s gone. If we last until afternoon tea we’ll be lucky.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:23am
    - Colville
      
      Light must be fading by now…..????? (4.47 pm)
      
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      April 3, 2018 4:47pm
      - Colville
        
        If NZ goes on to get a draw today Taylor and Nichols should both spend a day sitting on a stool with a dunce hat on thinking about what defense is.
        
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        April 3, 2018 5:44pm
holysheet

Time for the head cops to resign. The Easter road toll is up by 200% on last year. They should hang their collective heads in shame at such an abysmal failure in their road policing methods.
Whatever they are doing is not working.
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April 3, 2018 8:09am
- RF
  
  Wait for it. Speed tolerance will be reduced to zero.
  
  One option is to put more hi viz marked Police cars out on the roads so it has the ripple effect. Drivers slow down expecting another to be in the area.
  
  Some Aussie highways have multi coloured highway patrol units at regular intervals.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:19am
  - Lance
    
    Imprisonment for not wearing a seatbelt would have a bigger impact.
    But instead they will continue to roll out fucked up revenue gathering measures and call it successful no matter what happens.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:35am
  - MCos
    
    Another option would be for drivers to be held responsible for their own bad driving not the police.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:00am
  - wreck1080
    
    I’d certainly support an 80kph limit on some roads.
    
    Although, we’d need to really ramp up road building so that roads can support 100kph or higher.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:05am
    - MCos
      
      You OK with taxes being ramped up to pay for the work?
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:12am
      - wreck1080
        
        Yes. Our roads suck.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:14am
      - VicParking
        
        We were told in Parliament last week that cancelling the East West link will allow the Government to put median barriers on all the State Highways. Let’s see that happen. Maybe after the trees get planted.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:44am
      - kowtow
        
        Stop paying Maori elites for imagined grievances and spend the money on infrastructure for all New Zealanders.
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:46am
    - lifesgood
      
      That 80k speed limit on the North Western motorway is ridiculous. It’s a perfectly good motorway there is no reason on earth for it.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:13am
    - flipper
      
      This toll talk and solution possibilities is a load of BOLLOCKS.
      
      The solution?
      1. Remove chance. Ban chance., Life in prison for chance, sentence chance to Peters for Prime minister …….
      2. Confine cars and trucks to ONE person per transport unit.
      3. Ban the use of such units by more than one person at a time.
      
      Why????
      Because for every 10 accidents there could be zero or 10 deaths ……. or more …… or enter chance and, name your figure.
      As has been known by MoT folk for 50+ years it is a matter of chance, and short of banning ALL vehicular travel, rules or legislation are just political bullshit.
      
      “But Minister, we must be seen to be doing something …..”
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:47am
- MCos
  
  Unfortunately the money required for extra safety measures on the roads is needed for the Americans Cup facilities, a by election, MPs travel expenses, ex MPs travel expenses.
  Previously it was used for more important stuff like the flag referendum, the Saudi sheep farm and by elections.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:52am
  - Lance
    
    Yea right
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:49am
  - cmm
    
    Money does not solve problems.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:58am
    - MCos
      
      Certainly creates a few!
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:20am
- Longknives
  
  “Whatever they are doing is not working.”
  
  That I can see the only things NZ Police have been doing lately have been an overkill of ‘Hip Hop’ dancing videos and the Commissioner telling White Guys they needn’t apply to his modern ‘Diverse’ Police Force..
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:57am
- Harkman
  
  Well we all know that Labour will rort the figures next year. It’s a bit like the homeless, they’re no longer an official problem, despite there being more now than previously when I drive up Columbo street. Next year, there’ll be no counting of accidents after 4:30 pm Thursday or no reporting of deaths before Wednesday, perhaps.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  It will only get worse as more and more drivers learn not to pay attention to the road , while they look at their phone screens.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:10am
- cmm
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102774651/top-road-cop-calls-easter-road-toll-heartbreaking
  
  “Greally points out the crashes aren’t just a number, they’re real people losing family members. ”
  
  While I agree there’s more to it than numbers, you cannot be all emotional if you’re trying to solve the problem.
  
  Emotion is the kind of nonsense we get from JAG that we should not have road toll goals and that any death is bad.
  
  If you want to actually achieve anything then you have to look at it unemotionally and use numbers. That includes setting targets.
  
  Reaching a target of 300 is way better than having no target and getting 400.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

UK Labour has been in denial about the anti-semitism within its ranks.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/02/labour-antisemitism-more-widespread-than-thought-momentum-says
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April 3, 2018 8:13am
- mandk
  
  There was a great, pithy comment on the Telegraph website:
  
  Labour: For the many, not the Jew.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:27am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Amazing given how many of Tony Blair’s cabinet/special advisors were Jews.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:52am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Indeed hullkiwi,
      
      According to The Daily Mail, PM Tony Blair conspired with a tight network of advisors to flood Britain with immigrants in order to impose a multicultural society on the Brits:
      
      http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016/2/28/blair-immigration-and-the-betrayal-of-british-workers
      
      Stephen Boys Smith, who was then head of the Home Office’s immigration directorate, said about Barbara Roche, (a little-known Jewish MP> who was immigration minister between 1999 and 2001:
      
      ‘It was clear that Roche wanted more immigrants to come to Britain. She didn’t see her job as controlling entry into Britain, but by looking at the wider picture in a “holistic way” she wanted us to see the benefit of a multicultural society.’
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:14am
- EAD_TWO
  
  UK Labour has been in denial about the anti-semitism within its ranks.
  
  Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. If only the MSM in Britain could muster as much rage and passion (instead of silence) about thousands upon thousands of girls being sadistically gang-rapped by hordes of foreign men as opposed to local body politicians liking or sharing facebook posts.
  
  I had to get to the bottom of this long piece of hysteria propaganda to get to the cause of the latest kvetching:
  
  It emerged on Monday that another Labour local election candidate had been suspended after apparently sharing Facebook posts urging people to question the Holocaust.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:46am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    People are starting to get sick of this overplaying of the victim card:
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2018/03/load-aim-shoot-selves-in-foot.html
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:51am
  - SPC
    
    It’s not the daughters of middle class families being raped, it’s the daughters of the “racist” working class who voted for Brexit …
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:53am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      SPC – just what on earth are you insinuating with your above post?
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MW, the UK Labour party has adopted the International definition of anti-Semitism that includes Holocaust denial .
  
  https://antisemitism.uk/definition/
  
  Nevertheless, it is a bit of a disappointment but not I would think as bad as the anti Semitism rife among Trump supporters.,
  
  Anti-Semitism unleashed by Trump followers chills Jewish voters
  For many Americans who thought bigotry and prejudice against
  
  Jews were ailments of the distant past, the 2016 race has been a bitter wake-up call
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/anti-semitism-unleashed-by-trump-followers-chills-jewish-voters/
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:54am
  - Harkman
    
    Where the boss’s daughter is Jewish. Utter stupidity again SB.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m talking about the decades of rampant anti-semitism that has been manifest in the UK Labour Party.
    
    This has nothing to do with Trump. I don’t give a stuff about Trump. Never have; USA politics are a cess-pit in which I have not dived.
    I’d appreciate it if you stopped trying to tie me into your Alt-Right anti-Trump fantasies.
    Not my thing
    Take your arguments and your abuse /attacks to the people who are Alt-Righters or Trump supporters.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:15am
    - SPC
      
      The real issue is why you so readily believe the line, being peddled in the UK, that anti-semitism there is somehow strongly connected to the UK Labour Party.
      
      Do you have an interest in what connections there might be between anti-semitism and political parties in other nations? Or is this just a convenient stick to play partisan attack politics, all “Labour” Parties being alike etc …
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m interested in how UK Labour has been tearing itself apart by failing to address the anti-semitism within its ranks.
        It is news of the moment.
        Yes, there are factions, and Corbyn has been caught up in the unholy mess because he has glossed over numerous events and perhaps has been complicit in some.
        https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/top-jewish-donor-quits-u-k-labour-party-due-to-anti-semitism-1.5963537
        
        https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/29/17168320/labour-corbyn-anti-semitism-mural
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Maggy
        Guido Fawkes is a top rated UK political blog. They also provide links to other relevant articles.
        https://order-order.com
        They have been covering it
        Here’s the latest- some of the other stuff coming out is pretty damning
        https://order-order.com/2018/04/02/corbyn-last-night-met-far-left-group-who-attacked-his-jewish-critics-as-non-jews/
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:54am
      - SPC
        
        It’s mainly the so called Blairite faction (centrists of caucus who have lost control of the party) working with media (and pro Zionist) critics of the party to take down Corbyn (who is supported by the party membership).
        
        In this instance looking for evidence of anti-semitism amongst the activists supporting Corbyn to embarrass him. It’s the sort of opposition research that would normally be left to the Tories. It’s a bit like the American thing where Clinton sought to take out her Sanders rival from having any chance for the Democratic nomination.
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:02am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Awkwaaard
        https://order-order.com/2018/03/26/shadow-cabinet-minister-corbyn-steeped-anti-semitism-anti-semitic-party/
        Shadow Leader of the House Valerie Vaz was wheeled out to defend Corbyn amid Labour’s anti-Semitism crisis on Radio 4’s Westminster Hour last night. Hapless Vaz repeatedly gaffed:
        
        “[Jeremy Corbyn]’s been steeped in anti-Semitism… we must make sure we continue to show people we are an anti-Semitic party”
        Tape on the link.
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Muslims.
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:49am
  - Inandout
    
    You really are an idiot stephie.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:21am
    - All_on_Red
      
      His article is from 2016 too.
      Liberal Jews have always leaned towards the Democratic Party but I saw Polling recentlybwhich showed Trumps approval amongst Orthodox Jews had risen.
      Probably due to his support for Israel and the actions of Nikki Haley in the UN
      Latest Polling
      ‘Monday April 2, 2018
      The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. ‘
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:28am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Great men have already said most of what we are thinking.
      Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
      Winston Churchill
      Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
      Winston Churchill
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:01am
  - waikatogirl
    
    SB, just stop talking to Maggy. She is not interested!
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red and MW, in terms of Trump supporters rife tragic and so sad,
    
    New report details Trump-inspired surge in anti-Semitism
    
    ADL finds 70 percent of the virulent tweets came from just 1,600 accounts.
    
    ‘A new report from the Anti-Defamation League confirms that one of the Trump presidential campaign’s odder legacies is the revival of a strong form of anti-Semitism in American political discourse. It’s occurring most notably on Twitter, which has become a platform for the constant dissemination of various Holocaust memes and ethnic slurs.
    
    Anyone who, like me, is both Jewish and writes about politics on the internet will have noticed this casually. But today’s ADL report is the first effort to formally quantify the anti-Semitic speech on Twitter and illustrate clear linkages to Trump and the “alt-right” movements that support him.
    
    Their study covers the period from August of 2015 to July of 2016, i.e., mostly focused on the meat of the Republican Party primary campaign rather than the general election. It found about 2.6 million tweets containing clear markers of anti-Semitic content, that combined for a total reach of 10 billion impressions. The ADL worries that the wide dissemination of these anti-Semitic tweets “may contribute to reinforcing and normalizing anti-Semitic language on a massive scale.”..
    
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/19/13326336/trump-antisemitism
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:04am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Neither Vox nor you have any credibility and the conclusions drawn look rather stretched
      From your link
      ‘) it’s quite possible that a few hundred people are responsible for the vast majority of the anti-Jewish tweets’
      
      A few hundred people…. hardly a large movement.
      Nice try though.
      Hey, how is Underwear Patrol going today?
      
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      April 3, 2018 11:11am
- SPC
  
  No, UK Labour has been accused of being in denial about anti-semitism in its ranks.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/02/stop-jeremy-corbyns-trial-by-media-over-antisemitism
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:04am
- Kimbo
  
  @ Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Israeli-Pslestinian conflict is always a tricky tight rope to walk, especially for any western politician of good faith.
  
  As long as you don’t support the destruction of Israel, then you are, in effect and in some way, a Zionist. Which means, as many Isrselis do, you can oppose settlement of the West Bank, or the siting of the capital in Jerusalem, and you aren’t necessarily an anti-Semite.
  
  If you also think there should be a Palestinian state, then that doesn’t automatically make you an anti-Semite either. Viewing the Palestinians as an oppressed people currently engaged in the same sort of conflict and using the same methods the Irgun and Lehi/Stern Gang used in the 1930s to win their Zionist state? No, doesn’t necessarily make one an anti-Semite either, although you are way outside the mainstream.
  
  That’s where Corbyn has been for years, and it’s no surprise some more extreme than him, who are radical left anti-Semites have arrached themselves to his bandwagon.
  
  And as the first casualty of war is the truth, you can be very sure the “Israel can do no wrong, and even if they do it is justified and I will always support them, and you are an amti-Semite if you disagree” brigade
  
  … were always going to try and make capital out of this. And also link Corbyn with those who are more extreme.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m well aware of this Kimbo.
    
    But Corbyn has been dragging the chain.
    
    This issue of anti-semitism and racism in the UK Labour Party blew up a few years ago and Labour agreed to implement the recommendations of the Chakrabarti Inquiry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakrabarti_Inquiry
    
    Corbyn has failed to show leadership in this matter.
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:54am
    - kowtow
      
      As more and more Muslims migrate to the west , working class neighbourhoods become Muslim ghettoes. The left parties will come to rely on their vote and the result is as Borat says “Throw the Jew Down the Well”.
      
      Happening big time with Labor in Oz and the UK.
      
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      April 3, 2018 11:06am
    - Kimbo
      
      Not how I read that, Maggy. Corbyn was made aware of the issue, those responsible were suspended, he had it investigated, and made a commitment to implement the recommendations.
      
      Don’t get me wrong, I have little time for Corbyn’s politics, and his position on Israel-Palestine, while justifiable is unbalanced and like misguided
      
      …but what else would you have him do, while also affirming his pro-Palestinian position which Likud shills, and anti-Muslim polemicists will portray as anti-Semitism no matter what he does?
      
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      April 3, 2018 11:06am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        …but what else would you have him do,
        
        In the long run, I’ve no answers to that Kimbo.
        
        The Middle-East /Jewish Nationalism/Antisemitism is a problem well beyond my little head.
        
        However, the leader of a political party needs to be very careful to hold all the disparate threads together if they are to rally the great unwashed to their cause.
        I think Corbyn has lost control of some key threads.
        
        In the short term, he needs to sort this current mess out, el pronto.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:17am
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry, Maggy, as a good scientist you are usually better, and more specific in your diagnosis and analysis when asked for specifics. So it’s not what Corbyn has done, or omitted to do, but more what has occurred on his watch? And there is no specific criticism of his failings to take action?
        
        But I do agree this thing could get out of control for Corbyn and Labour.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Jeez kimbo,
        read the news..
        He failed to take action against a nasty mural depicting Jewish bankers..
        it has started up the shit storm again
        he’s failed to distance himself from Facebook pages full of anti-jewish hate speech.
        
        I’m out on Russian intelligence Agent spotting duty…
        catchu later.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:38am
      - Kimbo
        
        …says the local election candidate who posted the alleged antiSemitic comment on Facebook was suspended. So, again Maggy, what else would you have Corbyn specifically do right now, bearing in mind his pro-Palestinian stance will be misused against him by his political enemies, both British and foreign.
        
        Counter-intell isn’t just needed against Russians.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:42am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        OK Kimbo,
        
        I’ll play your game…but remember in many ways I am a political novice. I’ve never studied political theory or how to be a leader..
        
        But let’s imagine how our Helen (at her finest) would have handled a developing crisis or dealt with a crisis aftermath….
        
        1. She’d have had her minions relaying information to her constantly.
        2. She’d have a load of ~~deputies~~ heavies keeping a lid on the issue.
        (So, doing all she could to ensure a boil didn’t burst)
        3. She would be making overtures/ relationships/partnerships with those who were being pushed around in the party.
        
        4. Crisis blows….Cut someone loose/elect a fall-guy
        5. General announcement…
        “That was then, this is now, move on.”
        
        …..problem reappears….
        6. Ignore the developing boil/ or go back to 3.
        
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        April 3, 2018 1:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Cut someone loose / elect a fall-guy
        
        General announcement
        “That was then, this is now, move on.”
        
        They did, including suspending the former mayor of London, and very popular in parts of even-more-radical-than-Corbyn, Ken Livingstone. Hey
        
        But as you are a self-confessed novice at this “game”, it explains why you are regurgitating in an uncritical fashion the “Corbyn is soft on anti-Semitism” talking point. First rule of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is that everything anyone in any way connected with the dispute says…is propaganda. ?
        
        But again, you are right, Corbyn and Labour need to be extra vigilant. If anti-Semitism takes root again in a political form in the West, this time it will be through the radical left, not the radical right.
        
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        April 3, 2018 1:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        I’m not regurgitating in an uncritical fashion the “Corbyn is soft on anti-Semitism” talking point
        
        I’m merely bringing to KB’s attention that a major shit storm is hitting UK Labour at the moment and Corbyn just can’t manage things well.
        Latest offering on BBC
        http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43624231
        
        Don’t try and paint me into a corner as stephieboy & co always try to do.
        
        You know I prefer this approach:
        http://nashvillearts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/DP104.jpg
        
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        April 3, 2018 4:10pm
- waikatosinger
  
  There is also antisemitism in our ranks here on kiwiblog. And I’m getting thoroughly sick of it.
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:43am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Totally agree. EAD2 is the main culprit, but who are the people up-ticking his vile crap?
    
    Own would think someone like that would get about the respect of a Stephieboy around here.
    
    It would be more liberal/conservative to let the EAD2 disaster have it’s free speech and then thoroughly down-tick it.
    
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    April 3, 2018 2:09pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      who are the people up-ticking his vile crap?
      
      yes – how dare anyone report upon news from around the world especially if it shows the Juice in a bad light❗
      
      @ Waikatosinger – what is so called “antisemitism”? Is it applying the same standards of behaviour to the tribe that I expect of others?
      
      Is Jesus an “anti semite” for criticising Jewish behaviour as well?
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:52pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Nazis gotta be Nazis. At least you’re open about your political ideas, limited to hatred of Jews and love of gold buggery as they are.
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:11pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Fran O’Sullivan: PM’s protection rug has a gaping hole

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12023497
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April 3, 2018 8:14am
- rangitoto
  
  Curren is on a junket hiding at the Commonwealth Games to avoid Question Time. Witless protection.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:59am
  - tf78
    
    I see our Adonis of a Minister of Sport and Finance is also off on the junket. Do you think Sir Michael Cullen is preparing his budget for him whilst he is away.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:51am
    - oldgolfer
      
      No, local kindy kids.
      2+2=5.
      Done.
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:52am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      If he is we know the cupboard will be bare.
      
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      April 3, 2018 11:04am
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The crude Islamophobia which is now standard discourse on this site is not significantly different from earlier versions of fearmongering against non-white economic immigrants. Such as the campaigns against Pacific Island migrants in the 1960s, or against the Chinese in the early 20th century. Today’s anti-Muslim rhetoric is effectively identical to Enoch Powell’s blood-drenched predictions of the impact on British society of the arrival of West Indian migrants. And like those earlier examples of self-interested racism, today’s drearily familiar bigotry will eventually be quite properly ridiculed.
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April 3, 2018 8:18am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Islam is a religion of peace.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:32am
  - Colville
    
    yip…right up until they bomb you or crash into you with a van.
    
    those “Asian” lone wolves have a lot to answer for.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:57am
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    Rodney Randall , yes among the overwhelming majority of their 1.3 billion followers. and the 50,00o who live here in their adopted country.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:00am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Christianity 2.3 billion
      Islam 1.8 billion
      How many terrorist bombing, shootings, rammings
      By Christians?
      Must heeps….yet……NO.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:39am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      50,00o?
      
      Need more!
      
      Bring in another 100000!
      
      We need more peace.
      
      We could become the most peaceful nation on earth!
      
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      April 3, 2018 12:09pm
- Chris R
  
  You may have a point but I note you refer to both “fearmongering” and bigotry as though they’re the same thing. Which is it you criticise? Also you refer to “self-interested racism.” When did Islam become a race? Clarification please!
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:37am
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    Chris R , since the majority of Muslims have brown or black skins then it is hard to separate the racism from the prejudice and bigotry.
    
    You might like to help?
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:02am
    - Swifty
      
      Hard for you maybe – especially with your known limitations.
      
      Not us.
      
      Islam is not a race.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:11am
    - Chris R
      
      Simple: Use the same mechanism I use to distinguish between rational persons and screaming idiotic lefties. That is to say, you listen to their words, watch their actions and then decide. Hence; I have decided you’re a leftie as you fulfill the stated criteria!
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:15am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Idiot
      2 of the 7 tribes of Israel are black
      the VAST majority of Christians are non white
      Are there any white hindu’s?
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:42am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Hare Krishna are Hindu, so there are many.
        
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        April 3, 2018 11:42pm
    - VicParking
      
      Do they have chingy sounding names? That’s not racist.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:48am
    - cmm
      
      By that definition, being anti-Christian is racism too.
      
      Most of the countries where the population is over 90% Christian are non-white.
      
      In USA, NZ and many countries the Christianity rate is also higher amongst non-whites.
      
      Therefore being anti-Christian is RACIST!
      
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      April 3, 2018 12:09pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      FFS, SB, you get more idiotic every day.
      
      I like my friends of Chinese, African, Korean, Indian, European, Maori, PI and Middle Eastern descent. Ethnicity is irrelevant if one has a decent ideology.
      
      Plenty of melanin levels and black hair there.
      
      Please learn to distinguish ethnicity from ideology.
      
      Ah, why do I bother – you’ll never learn that.
      
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      April 3, 2018 2:20pm
- Lance
  
  So there is no terrorism, rapes and murders in Europe committed by recent ME immigrants?
  They universally show respect for women and tolerate other religions?
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:38am
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    Lance , yes but by a small , small bunch of ISIS-supporting fanatics
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:03am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Enabled by the rest.
      I wonder if the most common statement by a Muslim in Europe.
      “I don’t agree with them, but I understand and support their feelings”
      I thought it was “Blessed are the peace makers….”
      Not “Blessed are the excuse makers”
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:06am
    - cmm
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
      
      So 26% of Muslims in UK is a small, small bunch.
      
      Whew! Thanks stephie. You saved me from being paranoid.
      
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      April 3, 2018 12:11pm
- wreck1080
  
  Fear mongering is the spreading of an irrational fear of a perceived but non-existent threat.
  
  Is it fear mongering to put bars on the lions cage at the zoo? No, it is rational behaviour.
  
  Just as blocking or limiting islamic immigration is rational behaviour.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:57am
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    wreck1080 , no! It is highly irrational motivated by fear and bigot mongering as the example of our 50,000 Muslims can attest.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:06am
    - wreck1080
      
      You think islamic terrorism is a non-existent threat.
      
      That is closing your eyes to reality.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:13am
    - 3-coil
      
      stephieboy – your position as an Islamic terrorism denier and apologist won’t fly here. The inconvenient truths are so numerous even the MSM can’t hide them all. Try Google.
      
      Edit: for NZ examples you could start with the Gambian halal butcher who butchered and set fire to the white girl in Christchurch recently.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:40am
- wombatge
  
  Meanwhile in Banda Aceh.
  Enjoy a public whipping
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCytUEbIgC4
  
  Wind the clock back a few centuries and enjoy the enforcement of the religion of peace.
  If you are gay, touch anyone in public except a spouse, drink alcohol, dress without a sack if you are female, you are in for a public hiding after prayers on Friday.
  These rules will go down well in NZ when they gain control.
  Wall to wall floggings I suspect.
  Anyone that thinks this is compatible with our way of life is completely deluded.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:00am
  - wombatge
    
    Tom, in your demented world, should we introduce Sharia Law immediately and set up ringside seats for the stoning’s, Floggings and beheadings.
    You are one sick puppy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ftQoppMwLc
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Cinders said she brought up LGBTIQ rights to Joko Widodo during his recent Obama overshadowed visit.
    
    Identity politics again. Why LGBTIQ ? , why not everyone ?
    
    RNZ media watch covered it very well .
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:10am
- Swifty
  
  With your name calling and labelling you might succeed in ‘shaming’ people into toeing the line elsewhere, but not here.
  
  Islam is not a race. Islam is a totalitarian ideology that it’s adherents believe it the ‘total’ answer to all human questions. And, as you see all around the world, the don’t take kindly to having this called in to question or their claims scrutinized.
  
  You ask NZers whether they believe NZ would be a better or worse place with a significant rise in Islam in NZ.
  
  Even better, why don’t you answer it honestly yourself? Hypothetically, if 1,000,000 Muslims arrived tomorrow wth the resultant explosion in mosques and madrassa – would NZ be better or worse off? What would be the likely consequences as a result?
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:20am
  - Kimbo
    
    No, Islam is not a race. It is a religion and a political ideology.
    
    But if, irrespective of what a religion teaches, or what some of its experts or critics insist it teaches, one ascribes malevolent beliefs, attitudes, motives and actions to adherents of a religion and/or ideology in an indiscriminate, all-encompassing and predictive fashion
    
    …it is bigotry. Plain and simple.
    
    So how about we stop invoking the “it’s not racism!” Shibboleth like it is a “Get out of Jail Free” card that makes the essential xenophobic problem disappear? And as 1,000,000 Muslims, much less 100,000, or even 10,000 will arrive in New Zealand tomorrow, and there is little indication based on current migration patterns there will be a “significant rise in Islam in NZ”, that hypothetical is also a distraction from the essential problem
    
    …of bigotry in the analysis.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:21am
    - Swifty
      
      Agreed Kimbo, claiming that all adherents believe the same things and act in the same way is bigotry – and I have tried at all times and for years now to not to fall into that trap. (A pity JAG hasn’t tried the same! 🙂 )
      
      But I don’t think the hypothetical question was a distraction however.
      
      We have a political party in government right now who want to bring in 4,000 mostly Muslim ‘refugees’ ANNUALLY, exponentially increased by more through family reunification.
      
      What would happen if this went on for the next 20 years or more? This could result in hundreds of thousands of adherents arriving within just a generation – unquestionably significantly altering our society.
      
      We must discuss the wisdom of this as a society. I argue it is unwise – at the very least no-one can predict this willl end well for us and at worst it could result in major social upheaval and the threatening of a lot of what we hold dear.
      
      And I won’t be called an ‘Islamophobe’ for thinking it either.
      
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      April 3, 2018 2:02pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, and I don’t think you are an Islamophobe in the first instance for voicing misgivings at the (unlikely but not impossible) prospect of 4,000+ refugees of predominantly one religion for the next twenty years. All government policy, including immigration numbers and selection criteria, should be subject to ongoing public scrutiny, debate and criticism.
        
        And it helps if the debate, especially, is accurate and realistic.
        
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        April 3, 2018 2:52pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks Kimbo – please note I was referring to Tom Barker’s ‘islamophobe’ label, I didn’t intend to insinuate that you had used that label.
        
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        April 3, 2018 3:11pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Cheers, Swifty. And no, I thought you were meaning in general, and, if specific, stephieboy was the one you had in mind. ?
        
        But for once Tom Barker has a valid point. In and surrounding, indeed drowning out the occasional thoughtful and constructive debate about Terrorism, Islam, Muslims and Muslim migration (real and hypothetical) crude Islamophobia is now standard discourse around here.
        
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        April 3, 2018 3:21pm
- lifesgood
  
  Pray do tell how marvelous the pacific people have been for NZ. How many are on welfare, how many commit crimes, how many in jails, how many unemployed, how many require state housing, how many are illegal overstayers, how many send their children to school shoeless and hungry? Look I fully realise that there are many pacific island people doing really well, wonderful parents, educated etc, etc, but I also know that the percentage not doing well is very high. Disclaimer: I have a much loved pacific island relative.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:23am
Nukuleka

Poor Tom fails to recognise that Muslims are not a race of people like West Indians, Chinese or Polynesians, but are people of many different races united by a common ideology. It is not the race of the Islamists that is the problem but their mediaeval ideology, anti women, anti gay, and its anti-Western liberalism that is the cause of concern for many NZers. Obviously poor Tom approves of such negative attitudes to women and gays.
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April 3, 2018 8:25am
- mandk
  
  He also fails to recognise that, unlike other groups of immigrants, Muslims, for the most part, have no desire to live by our customs, our values and our laws.
  
  Surveys in the UK have shown that the majority of Muslims would like to see sharia become the law of the land. And I’m pretty sure that a survey of muslims here would find the same thing.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:39am
- Lance
  
  Maybe Tom hates women?
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:39am
- stephieboy
  
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  Nukuleleka, the example of our of local Mulsim population show otherwise.
  
  A remarkably generous attitude towards West Indians there.
  
  Enoch Powell was not so generous with also his notorious rivers of blood speech.
  
  I do recall before the rise of ISIS many posters here where not so generous towards gays (let alone people of darker skins like Africans ). Still are not with their derogatory “shit hole” and other demigating language etc
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:10am
  - starboard
    
    Are you pissed? Mulsim?
    
    What about the filthy somalian low life scumbag muslim in Christchurch who abducted the Duckmanton girl, raped and murdered her, then set her body on fire. Explain that one away shariaboy.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:24am
Nukuleka

The Stuff site tells us that our Easter trading laws are making NZers ‘manic’. Interesting to be in Germany at present where the Easter trading laws are far more restrictive than ours (probably in France, Austria and Switzerland as well) and yet the general German population seems to to remain extremely well-balanced and capable of leading normal lives over Easter.

Perhaps the problem is not with the Easter trading laws but the sad, empty lives of those kiwis who cannot cope with a day or two when they can’t troll the shopping malls and exercise their ‘right’ to practise their dreary retail therapy.
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April 3, 2018 8:35am
- MT_Tinman
  
  I notice the sad, sick nutters who demand everyone do without never fail to use the services of those who do need to work on their superstitious days.
  
  They never refrain from using hospitals, nurses, doctors, police, repairmen for any of the services they use, taxis, service-station employees, old peoples homes, dairy/takeaway shops, telephone and internet services etc on their special days.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:05am
- wreck1080
  
  I think you are right about the sad empty lives thing.
  
  But, should it be up to you or the government to tell people when they can visit the mall?
  
  I lived in germany for a while, and they are very restrictive compared to here.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:09am
  - lifesgood
    
    It is not up to the public to decide. Expectations just continue to grow. Give them 12 hours trading they then want 15, give them 15 they then want 20. I have a great deal of sympathy for business owners who would love a bit of rest and relaxation too. We all survived perfectly well when shops were closed all weekend. Nowdays it’s all about I want, I want.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:27am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The family unit was much stronger when the weekends were retail free.
      Individuals were much more organised too.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:55pm
waikatogirl

50 schoolgirls have been hospitalised after they were poisoned as a warning for them not to continue their education. Situated in northern Afganistan, the area is under the control of the Taliban who have ruled females are not to be educated.

Utter madness.
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April 3, 2018 8:38am
- mandk
  
  Madness would be forgivable. I think we are talking about pure evil.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:43am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes its not madness, its pure evil.
  And the sooner the civilized world stands up to islam and sharia law the better.
  No more mosques
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:03am
- niggly
  
  Remember the Left (in NZ = Labour, Greens & activists) demanded that the West & NZ leave Afghanistan and leave their fate, that of the vulnerable, the women and children, to the Taliban and their vile and murderous ways.
  
  As our own Leftie KB’er Tom Barker demonstrates, the lives of the innocent and the vulnerable do not matter, if it’s against Leftist ideological thinking.
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:56am
mara

Tom Parker, Islam is not a race but an ideology that, in its purest form, is devoted to enslaving, converting or killing all infidels as is clearly described in the Koran. I’m an immigrant myself so I get your general drift about antagonism towards “foreigners” but Islam is uniquely dangerous to the west and more people are starting to realise this. Good thing.
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April 3, 2018 8:41am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes more people are starting to realise this.
  But what can we do to stop the islamic invasion?
  If we call for a complete ban we will have Susan Devoid come down on us.
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:01am
wreck1080

Who is lying , Auckland council or the residents?

What the residents say….
“You’ve got the loud music – and it’s really loud. No one’s sleeping; everyone’s calling the police and noise control.”

What the council says…
“Aside from this request, we have not received any complaints or been made aware of any other issues in relation to the park.”

So, multiple residents have been calling council about noise every weekend since christmas, yet council says they have not received any complaints???

Councils suck at enforcing noise control. We had rowdy neighbours once. Took over 6 months of complaining every weekend to finally get council to do something.
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April 3, 2018 8:43am
- KiWombat
  
  You have to do it in writing and create a paper trail !
  
  Telephone calls are easily misdirected, lost, misfiled or sent into orbit, even if you do have the tenacity to write down their 30-odd digit “event” number for your records.
  
  They can’t claim to have “seen nothing, heard nothing” if there is an acknowledged email in the pipeline !
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:16am
- VicParking
  
  Neighbors party all night. Loud Music. Crash at 4:30. 6:30 we set up speakers on our fence and played Gospel Music real loud. Never had another loud party next door
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:55am
  - KiWombat
    
    One of the Sydney councils did the same thing in an area where hoons used to congregate in hotted up cars. The council streamed classical music into the area, and the hoons packed up and took their antisocial behaviour elsewhere !
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:47am
waikatogirl

A British news item 2 days ago regarding 4 of the British fighters who went to Syria as part of the Jihad. One of them, “Jihadi John” is dead but the others, now captured after taking part in the murders of 37 beheadings want to return to England for their trial. They say the beheadings were “regrettable”.

Britain does not want them back on their soil and has revoked their citizenship. Hold the trial in a shit hole country where the death penalty is on the law books. Best solution for these scum.
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April 3, 2018 8:50am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Those shit bags are now realising what the outcome of being on the side of evil is likely to lead to in that part of the world. Good on the Brits for revoking their right to civilised treatment; no less than they perpetuated on their unfortunate, innocent victims.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:01am
- RF
  
  This is a classic situation where an … eye for an eye… should be applied.
  
  Murdering scum……
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:12am
  - starboard
    
    Burn them alive.
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I understand they have a shortage of Cod in the North Sea. Maybe these Assholes could contribute to
    the food supply for the Cod.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:15am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  No, don’t martyr them. Let them rot in prison. Just make sure it’s not a comfortable western prison, but also not one where there could be a regime change and they get released. Maybe pay the Russians or Chinese to take them.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:32am
Fletch

Commonwealth Games Federation welcome Laurel Hubbard’s participation…

The 40-year-old is poised to become New Zealand’s first transgender athlete at a Commonwealth Games when she competes in the 90kg-plus division on April 9.

While her teammates have already arrived on the Gold Coast, Hubbard won’t join them in Australia until Friday.

[…]

“It’s very, very clear, Laurel is eligible to compete as a woman in accordance with weightlifting rules,” Mr Grevemberg said.

“We respect that right for her to compete.”

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/commonwealth-games/we-respect-right-commonwealth-games-federation-welcome-laurel-hubbards-participation

Idiots. As a nation, we got all upset about Australia cheating at cricket, and here we are supporting “ball tampering” of our own 😉
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April 3, 2018 9:09am
- KiWombat
  
  Subtle one Fletch !
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  Spare a thought for China’s first transgender transitioner……..
  
  Won Hung Low.
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:32pm
Manolo

Another hag dies:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nelson-mandelas-ex-wife-winnie-mandela-dies-81-143929699.html
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April 3, 2018 9:10am
Inandout

This guy Grant Bayldon has taken over World Vision, but previously worked for Oxfam. He has typical Left attitudes to migrants, but his background does not ‘Google’ much.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1711/S00215/the-nation-lisa-owen-interviews-grant-bayldon.htm
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April 3, 2018 9:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s written a number of articles …
  
  (at the bottom of his cv)
  https://nz.linkedin.com/in/grantbayldon
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:02am
RF

Hang on. I’m getting cross eyed. Two General Debates this morning.

They should be combined
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April 3, 2018 9:23am
- KiWombat
  
  Just making up for the day they missed last week !
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:48am
- Nostradamus
  
  One of the threads is for Hugh Pavletich – when he’s ready to take a dump. Bad news: it was this thread!
  
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  April 3, 2018 5:22pm
Shaun the Sheep

Fifty years ago today Martin Luther King Jnr delivered his Mountain Top speech. The next day he was dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oehry1JC9Rk

The world has changed much since then.

JAG thinks old white men should be put out to pasture.

Who will be the next champion of equality?
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April 3, 2018 9:32am
waikatogirl

Nelson hospital is calling for Korona to change their bottle cap design after 3 people were admitted for serious eye damage.

The hospital needs to educate themselves and look at those patients to change their stupid behaviour. If you are going to use your eye socket as a bottle opener then it is nobody’s fault but their own. Darwin award recipients. ?
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April 3, 2018 9:38am
- cmm
  
  They will have more success asking god to change the eye socket design.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:45am
- RRM
  
  You have to die to be eligible for the Darwin award.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:03am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Future recipients!
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:22am
    - KiWombat
      
      Take the medical costs out of their welfare payments – that will make them think twice about being so stupid again !
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:51am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Actually, you don’t, and I was as surprised as you might be to learn this.
    
    You do not have to die to earn a Darwin award, you must, by your own stupid actions, render yourself unable to procreate, either by death, (the usual outcome), or self sterilization!
    
    As in this case:
    
    http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2014-05.html
    
    The Thing Ring
    2014 Darwin Award Winner
    Confirmed True by Darwin
    
    (May 2014, England) In the interest of public safety, Darwin Awards editors are releasing this ribald event to the public to serve as a warning to adventurous amorous males. The event was brought to our attention by an eyewitness, who provided additional details (withheld for privacy reasons) to confirm it.
    “Being part of emergency services, firemen are called upon to get people out of unlikely situations. We were summoned to the A&E Department of a central London hospital to assist in removing a “thing ring.” With our ring cutters at the ready, we were presented with the patient, his ‘meat and two veg’ extremely swollen and such a dark purple that they were almost blackened. The whole sorry mess was encircled by a thick titanium ring. Normally the procedure to remove a thing ring is a five-minute affair, but our cutters could not make a mark on the titanium! After expending a number of cutter blades we had to concede defeat.
    
    “The man in question had put himself into this situation three days prior to committing himself to A&E, delaying the hospital visit due to embarrassment and a vain hope that it would resolve itself in time. Unfortunately this error in judgement cost him dearly. The wonderful doctors can often drain blood and remove the ring the way it went on–yet by the time he sought help, and our tools had been defeated, his jewels was past saving. Full castration–the result of the man’s own actions and decisions–make this eunuch a self-selected nominee for a living Darwin Award.
    
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    April 3, 2018 10:47am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Any chance of sending one as a present to a certain poster who frequents this blog and is roundly despised by virtually everyone…
      
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      April 3, 2018 1:29pm
    - mara
      
      Poor bugger lost his Deep-veined, Purple-helmeted Spartan of Love. Tragic when that happens.
      
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      April 3, 2018 1:34pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You can get an honorary mention if you remove yourself from the gene pool but don’t die.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:37am
cmm

I don’t care what two consenting adults choose to do in their bedroom (or any other room for that matter), but parliament needs to be very careful how they go with wiping homosexual convictions.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102772741/parliament-set-to-allow-wiping-of-homosexual-convictions-with-new-law

If there is a principle that we wipe convictions of people when a crime is no longer a crime, then what about:
* All the prostitutes, pimps and brothel owners that got sentenced/imprisoned/whatever before sex work was legalised?
* What about all the drug convictions when cannabis is eventually legalised?
* What about speeding fines when the speed limit is raised?
* People who were convicted for not paying their TV licenses?

It’s a very slippery slope…
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April 3, 2018 9:43am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  It’s errant stupidity to make a small group of people feel better because they lack self-esteem and believe it’s up to other people to fix it rather than themselves.
  
  It’s also just rewriting history. You have to feel for future scholars of history who are going to have to find their way to establish what really ‘was’ at any point through the corruption of the historical record by the current generation.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:51am
  - sooty
    
    Labour looking after their members, again.
    
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    April 3, 2018 12:47pm
    - gump
      
      The proposal to scrub the convictions was floated by Amy Adams and accepted by the National cabinet.
      
      Labour is just following through on a policy from the previous government.
      
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      April 3, 2018 1:18pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Interesting points cmm, I hadn’t considered those.
  
  If such previous convictions are stopping a person from applying for jobs or from travel, maybe they do need to be considered.
  
  Slippery slope, but should at least be talked about. Ooh, a committee….
  
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  April 3, 2018 5:03pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Why did National hand the housing issue and the government to Labour … on a plate ?

Former Deputy Editor of the UK (Tory) Telegraph, Allister Heath, has been writing about the UK Tories housing failures for years … e.g. this cracker from back in 2015 …

The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Allister Heath — UK Telegraph (note the most interesting readers’ poll) …

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html

… with access to plenty more …

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=bbPBWruLIMLS8wWSu5SICw&q=telegraph+heath+tories+housing&oq=telegraph+heath+tories+housing&gs_l=psy-ab.12

Suburbia is supposed to be ‘the cradle of conservatism’.

Why did the National Party fail with the housing issue ?
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April 3, 2018 9:56am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  They sure are all over the place in Orange County California … poll …
  
  On OC: Housing affordability is residents’ top concern in new Chapman University poll | Voice of OC
  
  https://voiceofoc.org/2018/04/on-oc-housing-affordability-is-residents-top-concern-in-new-chapman-university-poll/
  
  EXCELLENT AUDIO TOO: Survey … Housing affordability the big issue … with detached houing favoured (anti intense / high rises) … but anti-development.
  
  Moving in the right direction … but still conflicted / confused.
  
  New Zealand is way more advanced with these issues.
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:13am
  - starboard
    
    oh, sorry Hugh, I upticked you.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:36am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NZ Labour Government takes aim at property speculators – MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/nz-takes-aim-property-speculators/
      
      By Leith van Onselen
      
      Last week, New Zealand’s parliament passed legislation to extend the “bright line test” out to five years, thus ensuring that if a speculator sells a rental property within five years they will pay income tax on the capital gain. From Interest.co.nz: …
      
      … concluding …
      
      … In both nations, it’s the centre-left parties taking the lead on housing reform.
      
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      April 3, 2018 4:30pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … with extensive Pavletich comments on thread … starting …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/nz-takes-aim-property-speculators/#comment-3080503
        
        … concluding with …
        
        … In a nutshell … if the current Labour – led government does not get on and focus on the key structural aspects of its housing policies … such as …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        … extract …
        
        Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
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        … so that the wider public can by the end of this year start seeing increasingly affordable new homes on the fringes of our cities, this current coalition government will be in serious trouble, due to massive public and media pressures.
        
        The above is just the start.
        
        It’s going to get increasingly ugly.
        
        Everyone … after 13+ years of yapping … is fed up with political lying, deception and incompetence. And justifiably so.
        
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        April 3, 2018 6:01pm
RRM

70km/h open road speed limit coming?

i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/102760031/is-100-kmh-too-fast-landmark-report-wants-70-kmh-open-road-speed-limit
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April 3, 2018 10:00am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So my 41/2 hour trip to New Plymouth for work, will now take 6 1/2.
  Considering the biggest cost of transporting goods is labour.
  1. Higher inflation
  2. more trucks on the road
  Is this a dishonest way to force goods onto rail and increasing the price even more.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It’s just a good way to make NZ more unproductive & even more expensive. Good for a trading economy not!
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  70 is still too fast as a head-on crash at that speed will still kill you.
  Let’s make it 20.
  What complete idiots these people are.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    or we could misread Tsun Sue (to lazy to review spelling)
    Wait for the business to come to us and not go anywhere.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:00am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Really on the best parts of our best roads we should be installing median barriers and putting the speed limit upto 120Km…
  
  And on our highways we should be raising it to 120kph, and on our main roads at least 60km/hr (since that is what everyone does anyway)…
  
  And on some of our worst roads, we should be installing median barriers… And in the overtaking lanes the speed limit should be unlimited…
  
  Afterall our speed limits are quiet low….
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:06am
- Fletch
  
  I guess it forces people to use more petrol, hence more tax revenue for the Govt.
  
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  April 3, 2018 2:19pm
Justitia

New Zealand’s decline into a post-modernist neo-Marxist failed State is gathering pace. I read that scientists at Otago University and in accordance with the Royal Society’s Code of Conduct are now required to undertake consultation with iwi on their research proposals, whether their research has any bearing on Maori or not. This is the height of racist absurdity yet it is apparently a hoop you need to jump through if you want to get research done. Our scientists are too afraid to speak out for fear of being labelled “racist”. When did we enter this alternative universe…?
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April 3, 2018 10:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Watch our key scientists leave the country to places where they can actually get their research done.
  As jet pilots left when they sold the Skyhawks and didn’t replace them.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:19am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes we really have to stop bending over to Maoridom.
  
  They were not great scientists
  They were not great educators so why are half of our polytechs renamed in mumbo jumbo
  They were not great navigators either! don’t know where they came from.
  They wern’t even great warriors either (compare them to the zulus!)
  
  Lets all get on with the 21st centruy
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:34am
  - Lance
    
    You can talk all kinds of shit but the Maoris were good warriors, the mastered trench warfare, mastered deception and used advanced siege tactics. The British officially acknowledged how good they were and taught trench warfare based on their experiences fighting Maori.
    
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    April 3, 2018 12:16pm
    - Longknives
      
      Trench Warfare has been around since Roman times…
      
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      April 3, 2018 2:48pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      They didn’t even have stone age projectile weapons like slings, archery, spears. Their military tech was shit useless, and would have been quickly destroyed by most stone age cultures from the Americas or Eurasia.
      
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      April 3, 2018 10:49pm
Anne Glen Eden

Barry Soper says,

“But spare a thought for Ardern. A year ago she wasn’t even a political leader, let alone the Prime Minister, a job she wouldn’t have contemplated in her wildest imagination last Easter and nor did she want it.”

No. I won’t feel sorry for her. The Labour Party took the equivalent of a mediocre beauty pageant contestant and very deliberately conned the NZ public into thinking that her ‘wish list’ was both viable government policy and that they were committed to it.

They equally either seem to have conned her into believing that and/or she very deliberately chose to believe it and, supposedly ‘nobly’, go along with it. If she didn’t know just how baseless their claims to be a competent government were, it’s further proof that she was totally non-viable as a PM.

To try to claim that she wasn’t really willing to become PM and it happened ‘by accident’ is a ridiculous caricature of our governance and those involved.

It’s very clear that this ‘government’ is completely inept, has no ethics or integrity, have no consensus, or even appropriate communication. They are making the NZ government, and the position of Prime Minister, an international caricature of those things. Heaven knows what harm they will do but they certainly started at the lowest level with children – and the ‘standards’ they are setting for social behaviour on every level are in the gutter.

Whether she ‘wanted’ to be there or not, she not only agreed to be, she remains there willingly.

She is an adult, fully able to make a decision, and the decision itself is more obvious than those they claim are totally within the scope of powerless, vulnerable children.
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April 3, 2018 10:16am
- Justitia
  
  Yes I agree. I have absolutely no sympathy for any of these useless clowns including Ardern. They have inflicted themselves upon us as professional politicians. They are completely lacking in talent. They have no sense of truthfulness or personal honour – as you say, they are bereft of basic ethics or integrity. We have sunk to possibly the lowest point in our history as a country.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:26am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Anne – if indeed Ardern is indeed a “mediocre beauty pageant contestant”, I’d venture to suggest the only prize she’d win would be Miss Congeniality 😀
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    FFS she is a middle aged woman !
    Not a beauty queen.
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:34pm
- cmm
  
  If Soper ended up having the wrong leg sawn off in hospital, would he write: “Spare a thought for the surgeon. Last year he was the janitor and he really didn’t want to be doing surgery.”
  
  No, he would be roaring about the incompetence of the “surgeon” and the people that appointed him.
  
  Jacinda put her hand up for the task. By doing so she made a claim to be ready for the role. Similarly, all of Labour put their hand up for government. By doing so they claimed to be ready for the role.
  
  Instead they have been caught napping and need to start conversations instead of having policy ready to deploy.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:33am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Can anyone spare a thought for Ardern?
  She can’t rally one of her own.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:02pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  When Barry Soper puts the boot in, you know it’s all over folks. I have maligned him on occasions but this piece is spot on. Is see his cuddle has been taking pot shots as well. Bloody love this.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:31pm
RW Capitalist

She is a barbie doll
1. Artificial…….Barbie is plastic
2. Vacuous…….Barbie is hollow
3. Sold only on her looks…so was barbie
4. Comes in a cellophane and cardboard box, which is of no use once you have the doll….called the Labour party.
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April 3, 2018 10:23am
Keeping Stock

Simon Bridges hints at more trouble to come for Clare Curran:

When he was in government, senior Opposition members had called for resignations “every other day”. “I don’t want to do that. I want to save it for appropriately serious cases. But be clear, she is in trouble here.

“There has been a cover up that she’s been very involved in. It does involve a lot of taxpayers money and quite big changes in broadcasting, and so we do want to get to the bottom of it,” Bridges said.

“I think what’s so concerning here is the cover up, that it’s taken Parliament – effectively the Opposition – teasing this out to get to the bottom of it. I don’t think we still have actually, and you will see more of it this week.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102772289/Simon-Bridges-says-Broadcasting-Minister-Clare-Curran-in-trouble?cid=app-iPhone

Bridges, Melissa Lee and National have played this well. Jacinda Ardern last week threw her lot in with Clare Curran, so the target is not just Curran any more, it’s the whole government.

It would not surprise me at all if a Breach of Privilege complaint against Curran is lodged this week for misleading Parliament. I suspect that Ms Lee already has far more information than has already been disclosed, and that she already knew the answers to the questions she asked last week.

Ardern had the opportunity to cut Curran loose last week, but didn’t take it. I suspect she is going to regret that decision.
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April 3, 2018 10:24am
- cmm
  
  Only an idiot like Winston runs stuff up the flagpole without some solid backing. Bridges and Lee no doubt have a long string of stuff to keep this alive. Tip of the iceberg.
  
  If Curran and Jacinda had fronted right in the beginning, this would have been a fifteen minute blip on the news – not even gone my lunchtime.
  
  If Fingergate had been dealt with quickly and efficiently – same deal.
  
  “I suspect she is going to regret that decision.”. I think you misunderstand how they work. They’ll be playing the victim card as Helen said: this is just bad stuff that happened to them. People have let Jacinda down. There is no sense of agency that Jacinda must carry some of the responsibility for assembling a bunch of idiots around her – then managing them poorly.
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:41am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Fair points cmm, and Ardern could only work with the cards that were dealt to her. It’s not really her fault that Labour’s “pool” of talent is as shallow as a car park puddle on a sunny day.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:33am
    - cmm
      
      No those cards were not dealt to her.
      
      The cards were plainly and openly on the table when she then picked them up and decided to make a go of it.
      
      Perhaps she is just so damn stupid that she could not see how useless her colleagues are.
      
      I have not seen any signs of intelligence. And no, getting an A in a basket weaving degree doesn’t count for much in my book.
      
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      April 3, 2018 12:23pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  When there’s something rotting in my fridge, I throw it out, lest it stink up the rest of the fridge.
  But in her case most of it is either rotting or at least on the turn.
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:11am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I was always told that a fish rots from the head down.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:34am
- Paulus
  
  Curren is in the Gold Coast with Robertson having been told to scarper so that she cannot answer questions.
  They will keep.
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:36pm
waikatogirl

KS, Simon also referred to Cindy’s hands-off stance with Winston over his odd decisions, referring to his stand over Russia, and comments on the Malaysian Airline.
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April 3, 2018 10:31am
Inandout

‘If you go Labour camp today
You’re sure of a big surprise
If you go Labour camp today
You’d better go in disguise!
For every fan that ever there was
Will gather there for certain
Because today’s the day the
campers have their picnic
Camping time for Labour fans
The little fans are having
A lovely time today
Watch them, catch them unawares
And see them picnic on their holiday
See them gaily gad about
They love to drink and shout
They never have any cares
At eleven o’clock their Mommies and Daddies
Will tuck them into bed
Because they’re groped little Labour fans’
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April 3, 2018 10:59am
- wombatge
  
  Somewhere in NZ, there is a deviant free to strike again at anytime.
  The identity of this person is known by many.
  Any investigations will take months and maybe not made public.
  Any person protecting the person of who committed these crimes is as guilty as the deviant themselves.
  Would you believe this person walked free of any consequences, just told to go forth and do as they please, just don’t do it here.
  Who made this decision and who knows about it.
  It is a sick world we live in.
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    This person’s mama-san is believed to be high up the Labour tree.
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:36pm
RW Capitalist

Solution to all boarder problems?
US-Mexico
Gaza-Israel
Declare the boarder area say 5 Km back on each side,
A free fire military testing range…enter at your own risk.
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April 3, 2018 11:07am
- DigNap15
  
  But what about the united nations?
  And humanitarian crises
  
  (and people that can’t spell) (border)
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:35am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    1. The “United Nations” is the worst Misnomer in history
    2. When did the “humanitarian crisis” of THEIR own making, not start with their responsibility to fix it?
    Typo….really, that’s your attack line?
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:54am
- kowtow
  
  It’s actually a free fire zone on the Mexican side. Mayhem. And the left want that in the US .
  
  Mind you , it’s actually an American problem with so many drug users . Every illegal narcotic user contributes to Mexico being the failed state that it is.
  
  Aren’t drugs great?
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:24pm
Prince

Clever move by Root to introduce spinner Leach gives England their third wicket – Taylor gone
Compare and contract Williamson’s reluctance to use Sodhi during this test.
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April 3, 2018 11:10am
- Kimbo
  
  Apples and oranges, as well as the post hoc fallacy.
  
  Williamson had to try and keep the flow of English runs to a minimum in both innings, as there was still the possibility of bowling them out cheaply in the first innings, and again in the third innings for a total that left us with a chaseable target. And the problem with any leg spinner is that while they are attacking weapons, they are more expensive.
  
  In contrast, Root doesn’t have to worry about conceding runs now. So he can bowl his left arm orthodox bowler (who are usually more conomical than leg spinners, btw) to his heart’s content, while looking for reverse swing at the other end.
  
  Plus it is now the last day of the test, when spinners come into the play, and why you must always include one in NZ pitch conditions, in case you need to bowl the opposition out when they are batting last. If the positions were reversed, Williamson would almost certainly be bowling Sodhi, rather than the economical stock seam option of de Grandhomme.
  
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  April 3, 2018 12:01pm
Happychappy

Are we about to go back to the Union rule of the 1950’s/70’s after Business NZ firing shots at the Governments Labour Law Reform with one of the laws puts in place compulsory unionism. Business NZ argues the bill breaches International Labour Organisation Conventions on the right to voluntary participation in collective bargaining. It suggests the bills provisions allowing Unions to collect membership fees for every employee in a business, irrespective of whether they have chosen not to join the Union,”effectively constitute(s) compulsory Unionism. Lees Galloway obviously the one given the task for Labour to pay back policy for their large Donations.
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April 3, 2018 11:41am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Next step is the resurgence of the “electoral finance act”, so that only political parties and their affiliates can discuss politics.
  Compulsory unionism has been the on going aim of the labour party since they were made voluntary.
  
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  April 3, 2018 11:57am
- waikatogirl
  
  “It suggests the bill’s provisions allowing Unions to collect membership fees for every employee in a business, irrespective of whether they have chosen not to join the Union,”effectively constitute(s) compulsory Unionism.
  
  Compulsory union fees even if you choose not to join a union. WTF!
  Another fund for Robbo to tap.
  
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  April 3, 2018 12:25pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Bargaining Fees. Non-union members pay a fee as either a lump sum or percentage of their total salary/hourly rates to offset ‘free-loading’. Non Union members gain by Union activities in collective bargaining. Thus it is entirely fair all non-union members pay a fee to the unions. Union leaders need their jet-skis.
    
    This will sink Labour. They can talk crap about higher wages yada yada yada but when they go to implement bargaining fees which is essentially a tax to pay themselves the normies will understand what’s happening.
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:36pm
    - Swifty
      
      And then those fees are recycled as donations to the Labour Party to keep them in government.
      
      What a racket.
      
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      April 3, 2018 2:08pm
- KevOB
  
  Unions have no right to tax. A compulsory levy on nonmembers could be a Supreme Court issue.
  
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  April 3, 2018 3:20pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I am a teacher. I’ll pay my union fees in high velocity lead if they try this shit on me. Fuck them and their jack boot methods. Commie bastards the lot of them…
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:38pm
Longknives

This Crusading Stuff Journalist has the answer to Police Shootings!
His Tactical Option with the machete wielding maniac on the weekend?
‘Why didn’t Police just let him go?’…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102772524/police-need-to-take-a-serious-look-at-their-procedures-in-wake-of-latest-shooting
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April 3, 2018 11:52am
- Nermal
  
  Let go a likely P crazed attempted murderer? Well, that’s one way of keeping the prison population down.
  
  I much prefer what happened. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
  
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  April 3, 2018 12:42pm
  - Longknives
    
    Yep- A crazy,angry and unstable male waving a fucking machete about and the Police stopped him before he maimed or killed any innocent people.
    Well done to the Officers involved!
    ‘Caught and Compromised to a Permanent End’
    
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    April 3, 2018 12:52pm
- milkmaid
  
  So if you want the police to leave you alone, you should be able to just wave a machete at them?
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    The same “crusading” journalists would be screaming blue murder if the cops “just let him go” and he then ended up at a child’s birthday party or where ever ,carving up the guests.
    
    The real question is why was this nutter running around with a machete?
    
    Early days , but I’d speculate he has previous , is known to the ‘justice” system and should really be locked up in a secure nut house . But of course they’ve all been closed down and nutters end up in prison, which Labour want to empty.
    
    More drugs , more nutters , more mayhem.
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:23pm
SPC

Easy come, easy go.

Win a test before lunch on the first day of the first test, lose a test before lunch on the 5th day of the next.
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April 3, 2018 12:00pm
- Kimbo
  
  Latham still there, and Watling has proven himself time and again as the man for this sort of crisis.
  
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  April 3, 2018 12:36pm
  - SPC
    
    – A fine day with only high cloud, so they will play after tea – a new ball would then appear.
    
    + There is a 25 degree day going “south” with a change in wind direction which may “age” their opening bowlers before then though.
    
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    April 3, 2018 12:40pm
    - SPC
      
      It’s now down to 18 degrees from a 27 degrees high.
      
      It will continue cooling in that southerly and loss of sun with a fortunate companion cloud. With cloud might be only an hour after tea to face the new ball.
      
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      April 3, 2018 3:23pm
  - Poppa
    
    Those two need to bat for the next session at least.
    
    Although I love what Dutchie De Grandhomme did in the first innings I think it would be a stretch to expect the same here
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:01pm
Jack5

Some naive reporting about a prominent NZ gun retailer having a spot of bother to get into Australia to watch his daughter competing at the Commonwealth Games. In Stuff:

“David Tipple was prosecuted in the United States in 2002 for having guns in his luggage to sell in New Zealand without the correct paperwork. He has a reckless driving conviction from 2009.”

Did the reporter check the files, even the internet? Here’s the Hooerald on 24 October 2004:

“He [Tipple]served 12 months in a New Mexico jail for breaching US customs regulations by not notifying an airline in writing that he had firearms in his luggage.

“In February, a week before he was due to be released, he was extradited from the low-security prison to Georgia, to face fresh charges relating to the sale of 400 firearms.”

…And from 7 November 2016, when Tipple appeared on a charge after being clocked driving at 177km/h:

”In sentencing Tipple today, Judge Gilbert described his driving history as being “unenviable”.
He referred to Tipple being convicted for driving at dangerous speed in 1982; driving in a dangerous manner in 1980; driving in a dangerous manner and failing to stop for police in 1989; and in 2008 driving recklessly and failing to stop for police. He also alluded to a “smattering” of other convictions both in New Zealand and overseas.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3603732
AND

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11743823

AND, of course, the original Stuff report:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/102761441/visa-issues-mean-gun-city-owner-david-tipple-may-miss-daughter-chloe-competing-in-commonwealth-games
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April 3, 2018 12:01pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  About time we followed Australia’s lead and tightened up on who we let in too.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:10pm
DigNap15

It really is time for banks to work over the weekends to transfer funds.
They are now trying to catch up for 4 days.
Surely it only needs one or two staff on. Its all computerised you know.
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April 3, 2018 12:18pm
- GazzaW
  
  All those billions of dollars that have been held in limbo have come in extremely handy for the banking system. The banks are in no hurry to change.
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:51pm
virtualmark

Very thought-provoking piece here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/04/02/donald-trump-isnt-winston-churchill-hes-neville-chamberlain/?utm_term=.e5292b1ecccb

As much as Trump would like to liken himself to Winston Churchill his relationship with Putin is very much like Neville Chamberlain and Adolf Hitler.

All you Trump-hadis are going to find you’re on the wrong side of history.
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April 3, 2018 12:19pm
- kowtow
  
  Given the millions of third worlders streaming into Europe and North America , I’d say both continents are on the wrong side of a mass migration mess.
  
  We’re history , the future is Islam.
  
  Unless politicians like Trump front up and stop the flow.
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:14pm
  - DigNap15
    
    And the President of Hungary. He has his countries heritage in his heart!
    Long Live Poland
    
    I just cant believe how the people of Europe sit back and allow it.
    Someone should shoot Merkel.
    
    The muslims do not contribute anything to Europe, in fact they make it much worse and cost us all a fortune in extra benefits and security costs.
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      DigNap15 , whilst the US and allies bomb the shit out of them going back to 2003
      
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      April 3, 2018 1:46pm
      - DigNap15
        
        They do enough bombings of their own, to themselves!
        
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        April 3, 2018 2:04pm
  - virtualmark
    
    I have no problems with the USA re-structuring its immigration system (should be some version of points-based rather than a lottery system) or building a wall on the Mexico border (but saying Mexico will pay for it is stupid).
    
    But that doesn’t mean Trump has to be President. Or that his craven submission to Putin is a good thing.
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      Trump has expelled Russian diplomats, Virtualmark.
      
      But what if the British poisoning case has a new angle – like this?
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5570327/Yulia-Skripal-poisoned-days-gaining-access-secret-150-000-bank-account.html
      
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      April 3, 2018 2:49pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The other countries have expelled Russian diplomats and lowered the number of authorised diplomats by that amount so that Russia can’t replace them.
        
        Meanwhile Trump has expelled 60 Russian diplomats, and left the authorised number where it was, effectively telling Russia to replace them.
        
        And no, I don’t think anyone has mounted a plausible case for anyone other than Russia poisoning the Skripals.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:44pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘that his craven submission to Putin’
      
      Ha, tell that to the 200 Russians the US killed in Syria the other day.
      Not to mention all the other things Trump has done against Russia- which have been listed numerous times.
      Tell me VM, does your wilful blindness and ignorance come naturally or do you practice at it?
      ?
      And why so keen on isolationism. Shouldn’t it be a good thing Trump and Putin meet?
      
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      April 3, 2018 6:51pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I wouldn’t confuse a tactical battle in the field in Syria with the political/strategic dimension between Trump & Putin.
        
        Trump insults people left, right and centre. But he is obsequious to Putin. He has to be dragged screaming into any punitive action against Russia (witness the recent sanctions decisions, and the expulsion of diplomats).
        
        I’m not keen on isolationism per se. But I don’t think you stand up to a Hitler or Putin by appeasement. It might be a good thing for the US and Russian Presidents to meet. But in Trump’s case I fear it is just his opportunity to receive his instructions from his handler.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:48pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        It is a good thing for Trump and Putin to meet in person. We can’t expect Donnie to understand his instructions unless Vlad is there in person to explain the pictures.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:52pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        are you trying to get around your ban Mikewimp?
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:53pm
DigNap15

No one has died on any of the new roads of National Significance.

I hope that JA Genter and Jacinda and Twyofrd read that phrase out aloud every day for the rest of their term.

We need to carry on with the program of upgrading our crowded, badly designed highways.

Look at the Te Puke expressway.
Look at the road near the Maramua’s
They were death traps.
Now they are a pleasure to drive.
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April 3, 2018 1:04pm
MrTips

Unbelievably stupid
Not content with meeting Hirschfeld when she shouldn’t have, Curran is now fingered by Barry Soper as “suggesting” that Richard Griffin stay away from the select committee recall over the issue:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12025155

Political death spiral mode initiated
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April 3, 2018 1:32pm
- GazzaW
  
  According to the same article Curran is off to the Commonwealth Games on Thursday. What portfolio does she purport to represent that requires her presence on the Gold Coast on our dime?
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:45pm
  - Kimbo
    
    True, but be fair. If it were possible and in any way related to her ministerial portfolios, Labour would send Clare Curran to the Campbell Islands for the next two and a half years! ?
    
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    April 3, 2018 1:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Ministry of Propaganda and Open Government.
    
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    April 3, 2018 2:16pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  I have a philosophy with staff but I find true in most relationships
  Be generous with time and resources, give people plenty of rope early on and they will either climb it and make the investment worthwhile, or hang themselves which makes the investment very worthwhile!
  While these muppets are expensive and doing some damage to NZ inc right now, they are also making obvious they are not up to the job, now we just need a few hangings !
  
  (no, not literal…just to be clear for the stupid amongst us)
  
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  April 3, 2018 1:51pm
Jack5

Lots of hostile publicity by the liberal media about gun crime in the United States, but little about the mayhem in London – acid attacks, knifings, and gangs wielding hammers and angle grinders steeling vehicles in front of owners.

If Londoners were able to have guns as easily as in many American states, would the criminal scum in London get away with what they are doing now?

Here’s an example of their crime:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569581/Moped-gang-filmed-trying-steal-6-500-motorbike-outside-owners-door.html
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April 3, 2018 2:22pm
- Jack5
  
  And here’s an example of the sentence passed on a couple of London thugs to have been caught.
  
  Punishment so light you would think the Brits are borrowing NZ judges.
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/moped-thugs-who-snatched-phones-from-up-to-10-victims-across-london-locked-up-a3763396.html
  
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  April 3, 2018 2:26pm
  - fernglas
    
    Two years and four months for 8 counts of theft is about 4 times what any NZ offender could expect.
    
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    April 3, 2018 2:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      My mistake then, fernglas. But it’s still a tap on the hand in what’s going on in London – acid attacks, knifings, moped theft gangs.
      
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      April 3, 2018 2:44pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        Well, I’ll bet you a rotting fish, this initiative isn’t endorsed by Brussels:
        
        https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article9786005.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/JS69400272.jpg
        
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        April 3, 2018 3:40pm
Jack5

Three earthquakes on the West Coast.

A bit close to the Alpine Fault for comfort. I suspect Kiwiblog might be down for some time when the Alpine Fault pops.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/353985/three-earthquakes-rumble-west-coast
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April 3, 2018 2:41pm
- cmm
  
  Well one of them was only 3.8. That’s less than a dodgy pie.
  
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  April 3, 2018 3:42pm
oldgolfer

After reading several stories on the Clare Curran fiasco, it is difficult not to get the impression that something brown might hit the fan at a select committee on Thursday, and that she has upset more than one of Hirschfeld’s pals in the media.
Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said it was never wise to upset those who buy their ink by the barrel?
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April 3, 2018 3:53pm
- cmm
  
  Rule number 1 of throwing someone under the bus….
  
  Don’t make it a journalist.
  
  Rule 2: Don’t make it a person that journalists seem to like.
  
  On top of that, once Curran’s position became impossible to defend, they all pack in like chooks in a barn. Once a chook has been pecked the others will peck it to death in seconds.
  
  Jacinda should join the pack and throw Curran under the bus if she wants to normalise her relationship with the ever-loving journalists.
  
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  April 3, 2018 4:04pm
cmm

What a stupid, stupid woman:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102789187/pm-minister-deny-instructions-to-rnz-chair-to-stay-away

What the hell is she doing phoning the bloke and suggesting he writes letters?

Since she is already knee deep in the poo over this issue she should:
A) A not be contacting the “witnesses” (for want of a better word).
– or at least –
B) If she really must contact him, then do it using above board and well documented communications channels such as an official letter that goes on file. Using unofficial channels such as phone calls and voice mail are not appropriate where she is now.

She’s now saying she “can’t recall” what she said. At times like this you need a very clear record of what you did and did not say.

Competence zero. Credibility zero.

And Jacinda just backs her up! Competence zero. Leadership zero. Credibility zero.

Has Curran got compromising photos of Jacinda? Nothing else makes sense here!
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April 3, 2018 4:00pm
- fernglas
  
  I’m totally with you on this. She has gone ahead and done precisely what she has been told repeatedly she should not do,and that is to interfere with the RNZ board. And for Ardern to support her in doing that is just breathtakingly stupid and also pathetically weak.
  
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  April 3, 2018 4:18pm
- marcw
  
  Curran knows how much and where DotCom’s money went for the 2014 election.
  
  Banked her insurance for now.
  
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  April 3, 2018 7:54pm
sooty

If H1 and H2 are meant to be looking after Secret Cindy, they doing a shit job. With this amount of stuff ups, I don’t think so, myself. With Snaggletooth looking over your shoulder, you would certainly get you shit together and know your portfolio inside out and be running scared of making a mistake. There seems to be no acountability between them, or is the carpark puddle too shallow. Idiots the lot of them. Who’s going to step up and take Cindys spot. Be a brave person.
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April 3, 2018 4:05pm
- cmm
  
  You’ve got to admit, Cindy is the best they’ve got.
  
  And no, that doesn’t say very much.
  
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  April 3, 2018 4:19pm
holysheet

In memory of the late terrorist widow winnie mandela, Pink Floyd have released a tribute Double A side . Another black in the hole/ Goodyear to heaven.

So Winnie Mandela has died ! Unfortunately she did not have a tyre round her neck at the time otherwise it would certainly have been a Goodyear !

I was quite surprised to hear that Winnie Mandela has bought the farm. I’d have thought she’d just have seized it from its rightful white owners.
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April 3, 2018 4:42pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  and you can here the squeal of outrage from triggered SJW’s all across NZ!
  
  Nice work….
  
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  April 3, 2018 5:26pm
- SGA
  
  Another black in the hole
  
  Klan rally over Easter?
  (Nah, Awww C-mon, I don’t you don’t have to be an SJW to recognise that bit as just plain nasty, and, yes, racist)
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:45pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    “don’t have to be an SJW’
    
    no-one has to be a SJW, why you choose to be one is a different matter
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:54pm
    - SGA
      
      meh – there is stuff on KB questioning policies and practices concerning race relations in NZ (and elsewhere) that is, I think, fair comment or at least open to debate. There is other stuff on KB that is simply racist or bigotry. You don’t have to be a SJW to recognise that (in fact, you’d have to be an idiot not to).
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:00pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Well there’s your reason – he is an idiot.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:11pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Is Holy attacking the race or the person?
        
        the policies of land confiscation or the colour of the people doing it?
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:16pm
      - SGA
        
        From what I remember, Winnie Mandela was a vile, corrupt and dangerous person. I shed no tears for her (although I probably didn’t find holysheet’s jokes about necklacing as funny as you did – reminded me too much of all the poor souls who died such a nasty death).
        But to gloat over her death as “another black in the hole” – well… you tell me.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:30pm
Jack5

The report of three immigrant families fighting deportation shows how weak and unintelligent is the country’s immigration regime.

Two of the three businesses were, respectively, lawn mowing and something described as “illegitimate exporting”.

This while most of the developed world competes for skilled technology workers.

Our leftist, pro-multiculturism media quickly pick up such stories.

This one is pushed by Tuariki Delamere, now an immigration consultant, and formerly an NZ First Minister of Immigration in the National Coalition. In parts of the South Island he is remembered for throwing out of the country a German family with NZ-born children – over marijuana allegations or charges.

Wikipedia states:

On 22 December 1998, Delamere announced gay and lesbian couples applying for permanent residency would have the same rights as straight de facto couples: a change Max Bradford, when Minister of Immigration, stated was too difficult.

In late 1999, however, he lost his role as Minister of Immigration after a scandal regarding the application of immigration rules. Specifically, it emerged that Delamere had approved permanent residency for a group of Chinese businessmen provided they invested generously in various Maori development schemes. Delamere was widely criticised for using his authority to ensure that money was given to certain groups. Delamere himself claimed that his actions were a perfectly reasonable method of addressing Maori development needs. Although he lost the immigration portfolio, he retained his other roles.

The report:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102784314/all-my-money-is-here–tearful-entrepreneurs-beg-immigration-for-residency
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April 3, 2018 5:53pm
- mikewasmild
  
  No argument there, Jack.
  Our immigration programme is the largest planned programme in the OECD, yet the average skill level of our migrant workers is still lower than the average skill level of workers already here.
  We would get more value as a country from quadrupling the refugee quote and cutting the equivalent number of chefs, restaurant managers and retail supervisors.
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:25pm
- starboard
  
  Tuariki John Delamere is a cunt. He was part of the ‘swaggering 5’..Tau Henerau, Tuku Morgan and 2 other slime bags from NZ First.
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:40pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Very racist starboard, but I agree. I also agree with the ‘swaggering’ Who is NZF going to ‘swagger’ with next? Nope, dead in the water
    
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    April 3, 2018 6:56pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      You agree with starboard’s racism, agree that Delamre is a cunt, or agree that the infamous ‘tight five’ were swaggering (while their boss was staggering, no doubt)?
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:15pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Yes
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:16pm
VicParking

Commonwealth Games, another three week Drugfest were males win female events and visa versa. The real winners are the chemists associated with the big money countries or the countries with no scruples.
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April 3, 2018 5:55pm
- SGA
  
  VicParking
  
  Commonwealth Games, another three week Drugfest were males win female events and visa versa.
  
  and vice versa? Pray tell.
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:38pm
Swifty

Kimbo – the cricket got a little tense today! 🙂
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April 3, 2018 6:09pm
- SGA
  
  Call me an ol’ fuddy duddy, but what I will remember in years to come about this summer of cricket aren’t any of the T20 or ODI games. It will be England’s 58 in the first test, and Sodhi and Wagner’s (7 runs from 107 deliveries – lol) stand in the second.
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:33pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. And cricket is a funny game because the luck evens up. I remember we all but beat them at Lords in 1994 when Dion Nash got 10 wickets and a fifty, and Crowe got a ton…but bad light on the last day thwarted us when they were 8 down.
    
    And I was at Eden Park 5 years ago, on the last day when we had to bowl them out to win the series. The ball hit Matt Prior’s stumps but didn’t dislodge a bail, and then (admittedly with Kane Williamson’s bent arm darts) we go two late wickets, and got the last man Monty Panesar in for the last few overs…and an inside edge just missed the stumps and they held on for a draw.
    
    So we earned our luck with the weather and the light. ?
    
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    April 3, 2018 6:52pm
Rodney Randall

Driving home, heard JAG saying how wonderful Sweden is.

Switched the channel to Concert Fm – Emmanuel Chabrier’s pretty Idylle calmed the nerves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgJW9F9EUgI
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April 3, 2018 6:15pm
mandk

Ish Sodhi – Kiwi as Sikh warrior!
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April 3, 2018 6:26pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Just a Kiwi does it for me as a description.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

I have no idea what you are talking about DG. Maybe the Russian Consulate needed some Sodium bicarbonate to make people happy?
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April 3, 2018 6:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

consort…
now, there’s an archaic term.

My Chambers defines it as:
a partner; a companion; a wife or husband, esp of a reigning monarch.
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April 3, 2018 6:54pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: Quite so… and since I’m not talking about Prince Philip, that leaves only a few male alternatives…I don’t think David Gasgoine – Mr Patsy Reddy – is into Charlie, so that just leaves….
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:56pm
  - nasska
    
    David G
    
    Obviously he’s got name suppression but do you know if it’s permanent or temporary? If it was any normal punter everything would be out in the open.
    
    Hard for people like me to respect justice or courts when it’s who you fuck that determines an outcome.
    
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    April 3, 2018 7:13pm
    - doggone7
      
      Next thing you’ll be suggesting that the type of justice one gets depends on how much money and influence one has or not.
      
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      April 3, 2018 7:41pm
    - nasska
      
      Well, that’s always been the socialist’s view. How does it go?……poor brown South Auckland kid gets sent up for only a hundred or so burgs when the Remuera white boy gets name suppression for being in possession for a tinnie.
      
      At least you pathetic bastards could be consistent!
      
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      April 3, 2018 7:51pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Nasska: Let me first cover my arse…this is all rumour albeit from a reliable source…but I am informed that there was a “secret hearing” this morning…but then another reliable source – who unlike me is a specialist criminal lawyer – tells me that is most unlikely, but it can be “arranged” if one has enough clout to get a matter heard without notice and fanfare…rather like the MP’s pushed through their Golden superannuation package late at night 25 years ago when the Minister for Wine and Cheese was the Speaker..
      
      Yet a third reliable source tells me none of this is news! Apparently it’s all been pretty much “out there” for months…
      
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      April 3, 2018 7:52pm
    - nasska
      
      Thanks DG. I had read a couple of months ago that something was up but I suspected that, as usual, there would be one law for the socialist elite & another for the hoi polloi.
      
      Our host cannot afford to have this blog involved in naming the arsehole & the MSM will do as they’re instructed by their masters so he’ll get away with it.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:02pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Is almond milk significant? I don’t know if it’s more or less signofican’t than peanut oil or cocoa nut cream. I am not a food expert. But I have my suspicions. Is Emirates an airline we should be condidering especially as their hostesses are considered the best in the world. Some in new Zealand seem to know…
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:55pm
- Kimbo
  
  …at least he didn’t say courtesan! ?
  
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  April 3, 2018 6:57pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Kimbo: completely different word old boy…as I’m sure you know…
    
    And off topic a little (but not too far) I have just been informed that one Lizzie Marvelly is “a young woman of colour”…leaving aside my perennial question of how “person of colour” differs from “coloured person”, I could have sworn Ms Marvelly is as white as me…perhaps she means her rather nice eyes…
    
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    April 3, 2018 7:13pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      The difference between ‘coloured person’ and ‘person of colour’ is roughly similar to the difference between ‘hack lawyer’ and ‘lawyer of hack’.
      But, to put it in terms that even a lawyer might understand, it is a conscious effort to refer to persons as persons first of all, with other characteristics being secondary. So, person with a disability rather than disabled person or cripple. Or person with a short arse syndrome rather than angry midget lawyer.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:17pm
- nasska
  
  If it’s who I think it is you can hardly blame him. If I had to wake up every morning & see & listen to what I think he does I’d be mainlining heroin!
  
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  April 3, 2018 7:00pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Yes but would you main line it while flying Emirates?
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:02pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I believe the Emirates Mile High club is quite exclusive. Some would know. Others just hear rumours. ….
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:58pm
KiWombat

We have been aware this was coming for some time DG. It refers to an occurrence before the election, but pressure from somewhere has pushed the court date further and further back since October last year. Also rumour that he is hoping for home detention – do you know more?
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April 3, 2018 7:26pm
- All_on_Red
  
  It’s going to stuff up any travel arrangements.
  
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  April 3, 2018 7:51pm
  - nasska
    
    Diplomatic passport or if things get really desperate there’s always the excuse of staying home to change nappies.
    
    Anything rather than the truth!
    
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    April 3, 2018 7:54pm
- David Garrett
  
  Wombat: No, I don’t…see my earlier comment above…apparently far from being the latest with the latest, I am apparently well behind the play!
  
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  April 3, 2018 7:54pm
  - KiWombat
    
    DG there was considerable chat about this last year around election time – lots of hypothesizing – but based on reasonable rumours at the time.
    
    The substance was never made clear, but I formed the opinion it was VC from the nature of the chatter. There have also been a number of references to a certain legal issue having been bumped down the list, and the suggestion of high level influence in making that happen.
    
    There was also a question raised at the time of the Pacific Holiday about whether somebody would be permitted to leave the country.
    
    Your sources have obviously heard something today – I have asked mine and they have not.
    
    But where there’s smoke there’s bound to be a fire !
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:54pm
Monique Watson

It was the Coke. And purportedly the consort was Bi.
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April 3, 2018 7:36pm
- holysheet
  
  As Hillary said “It’s hard to keep the pooch on the back porch”
  I didn’t know these dogs liked white powder. No more flying emirates hostesses either.
  Never mind, the birth of the baby should allow him time out to reflect on his stupididy.
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:04pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    I’m still not getting the hints. Who are you talking about?
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You seem to be new to this blog.
      Welcome.
      If you read back through all the posts, you might get a hint.
      We don’t give out answers here… we’re not paid enuf.
      
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      April 3, 2018 8:29pm
Jack5

What’s going on between the UN and Israel on refugees?

You take this one, and we’ll resettle that one ….

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/02/israel-agrees-un-deal-scrap-plan-deport-african-asylum-seekers
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April 3, 2018 7:47pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Endogamy? Accelerated miscegenation?
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:21pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “The education minister, Naftali Bennett, warned in a tweet that the plan “will turn Israel into a paradise for infiltrators”
    
    Has the ‘ethnostate’ (sarc) scored an own goal?
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:33pm
Salacious Crumb

David – KiWombat made reference to this some weeks back. The insinuation was more to do with Vitamin P rather than the Columbian Nose Candy and that this was the real reason behind an impending career change. Either way that would preclude said consort from entry into most countries would it not? I sense a resignation coming on regardless; IF true this will only add grist to that particular mill.
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April 3, 2018 7:53pm
- David Garrett
  
  Salacious: I’m not sure about the entry to most countries…Very much to my surprise, I am informed that possession of even Class A is these days seen as a minor offence….nothwithstanding all the silly lefties who think the prisons are full of dak dealers…
  
  So simple possession may not preclude said consort from very much…
  
  And while the rumour I heard definitely involves Colombian marching powder, that may have grown in the telling too…I have heard people talking about “crack” here, when what they mean is P…completely different drug…
  
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  April 3, 2018 7:56pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Well here’s a question; is the crime worse than the quashing of any public knowledge of the offense? I don’t really care what grown ups do behind closed doors but the idea that judicial process was influenced or suppression granted by virtue of who the partner of a convicted offender is leaves me a bit cold.
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:03pm
- KiWombat
  
  Yes SC – Rumours had been circulating for quite some time, and I was rather surprised this person was permitted to go on the Pacific trip. That would have been when I mentioned it.
  
  Given the nature of the chat I would have thought, if there was any substance, he would not have been allowed to travel.
  
  Unless of course he knew people in the right places !
  
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  April 3, 2018 10:19pm
mikewasmild

Perhaps someone more courageous than David Garrett could report the details here…
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April 3, 2018 8:02pm
- nasska
  
  And drop our host in the shit…..grow up!
  
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  April 3, 2018 8:05pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    Why would I ever want to grow up, old fruit?
    
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    April 3, 2018 8:12pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      because right now you are behaving like a little bitch
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:05pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Sphincter says what?
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:08pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      These new trolls are pretty lame huh
      Still judging by their arrival and the ever increasing shrillness of the existing ones you just know this clusterfuck of a Govt is being exposed.
      Funny to watch
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:14pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Hey Mike, 1998 called and it wants its jokes back
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:19pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Next you will telling me I can’t quote Monty Python either. Anyway, it was a palindrome.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:21pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      I didn’t tell you what you can or can’t say.
      
      What I will do is mock you for it.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:29pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Mock away. It’s not my fault that you’re not very good at it.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:35pm
alex Masterley

Sorry David, inadvertently pressed the report button.
Meant to press the reply button. The piss fairy must have taken hold.
Apologies.
However, this story has been doing the rounds for a wee while. Aparently, according to my sources the person has a track record of being a party animal!
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April 3, 2018 8:39pm
- Viking2
  
  Be able to afford more now they have sold the old house and have moved to the new one in Sandringham.
  
  Stuff reported that houses in Pt Chev sold very quickly. Possibly raised about 1.3Mil.
  
  Perhaps the new house will be better for baby sitting.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:03pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    There goes the neighbourhood.
    But the new one cost, about 1.7 so the 1.3ish they got for Point Chev will still leave them with a $400k debt plus whatever was previously owing.
    
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    April 3, 2018 11:26pm
Doubledimp

I heard JAG stating that the road extensions proposed at the moment could pay for a median barrier on all state highways. Did she just float policy of banning overtaking by making it impossible to cross the centre line?
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April 3, 2018 9:19pm
- mikewasmild
  
  She appears to be stating the obvious fact that investing in the maintenance and improvement of the existing road network will be much more cost effective than the addiction to ‘new’ roads.
  
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  April 3, 2018 9:23pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Addiction’
    Snigger
    
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    April 3, 2018 9:28pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      I think it is an appropriate term for the illusion that more and bigger roads will automatically meet our future transport needs.
      
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      April 3, 2018 9:34pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Make up your mind zealot
        ‘Improvement of the existing road network’
        Huzzah, four lane highways everywhere!
        That might meet our existing transport needs.
        Hahahahahaha
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:40pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        At least I have a mind to make up.
        Perhaps I should clarify my statement, for those as dimwitted as you.
        We don’t need to add capacity to our roading network at the expense of safety improvements and boosted investment in public transport. There will still be some ‘new’ stretches, interchanges and link roads, but none of the Roads of Irrational Significance confidence tricks.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ah, the mask slips and the amateur trolling turd gets rude.
        Public transport can’t solve all , especially in Auckland so trams or ‘light rail’ as some morons call them won’t be the cure all.
        Electric buses are more flexible anyway.
        My pick is actually Hydrogen cars. Almost there with them.Mercedes released their version the other day.
        We’ll still need roads for them.
        Eh fuckwit.
        
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        April 3, 2018 9:56pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        You’re claiming that I’m getting rude?
        After you rudely proclaimed ‘snigger’ and then called me a zealot?
        You aren’t usually this stupid.
        But tell me more about how electric buses aren’t public transport. Or hydrogen cars. Are they made of hydrogen, like steel cars? Or powered by hydrogen, like gasoline cars?
        
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        April 3, 2018 10:07pm
Jack5

China has ordered State-owned lending institutions to stop lending to local authorities, with the exception of funds for buying State bonds.

The South China Morning Post says this is a blunt message intended to dissolve the marriage between banks and local governments, the nexus in China’s debt-fuelled growth model.

The State controls the Chinese banking system. Eleven private banks set up in a pilot programme that began in 2014 have assets in total less than 0.1 per cent (that is, one-thousandth) of the total assets of China’s State banks.

The South China Morning Post reported that State banks have been told to check the registered capital of projects sponsored by local authorities, to appraise borrowers’ real repayment capabilities, and not to accept local governments’ guarantees for repayment or return.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2139975/chinas-state-owned-banks-told-stop-lending-local-governments-debt
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April 3, 2018 9:36pm
Rodney Randall

Benjamin Netanyahu – בנימין נתניהו

Dear friends, I’m as attentive to you as ever.

First, I ask you to understand the sequence of things:

In the last two years, I’ve acted in front of Rwanda so that it will be used as “third country” and receiving infiltrators and will be treated It’s the only legal way we have to remove infiltrators without their consent after the rest of our moves have been disqualified. Rhonda agreed to it and we started the deportation act.

In the past few weeks, a tremendous pressure on the Rwanda of the new Israel foundation and causing the European Union, Rwanda has folded from the agreement and refused to absorb infiltrators from

In this situation, I have decided to strive for a new agreement that will allow the rest of the infiltrators to

However, I am attentive to you, and first to the people of South Tel Aviv. That’s why I decided to meet with the interior minister aria deri with the representatives of the residents tomorrow morning.

In the meantime, I’m suspending the implementation of the agreement, and after I meet with the delegates, I’ll bring the agreement
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April 3, 2018 10:42pm
Rodney Randall

1 hr ago

מדי שנה אני מקבל אלפי החלטות שמיטיבות עם מדינת ישראל ועם אזרחי ישראל.
מעת לעת מתקבלת החלטה שיש צורך לשקול אותה מחדש.
ביממה האחרונה קיימתי התייעצויות רבות עם שר הפנים אריה דרעי, עם גורמי מקצוע ועם נציגים של תושבי דרום תל אביב. …

Every year I get thousands of decisions decisions with the state of Israel and the citizens of Israel

From time to time, a decision has to be considered.

In the last hours I have held many consultations with the minister of the interior lion deri, with professionals and with representatives of the people of South Tel Aviv.

I’ve heard a lot of notes on the agreement. After that, and after I conducted a renewed balance of the pros and cons, I decided to cancel the agreement.

Despite the legal and international restrictions that go to wnʻrmym, we will continue to proceed with determination to exhaust all options at our disposal to remove the infiltrators.

We’ll keep looking for more solutions.

The decision on the establishment of the director of South Tel Aviv will remain valid.

The Director will begin her operation for a while, in conjunction with the representatives of the neighborhoods in South Tel Aviv
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