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duggledog

Jessica Mutch gets PE gig at TVNZ; Katie Bradford and Andrea Vance bunch their panties over it:

http://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/tv-politics-tvnz-reporter-quits-as-new-leader-steps-in/

‘Vance has quit the national broadcaster while Bradford has asked for reassignment to Auckland after they both missed out.’

“Things have been tense in Wellington since Jessica took over from Corin Dann last month,” a source told Spy.

“Other reporters have noticed that Andrea and Katie have been visibly put out and have not responded well to Jessica’s new role. They both wanted the job and don’t seem to have fallen in line to help make a strong team.”

My summary: Vance and Bradford’s respective behaviours post decision illustrates why they didn’t get the job.
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April 29, 2018 8:02am
- Chris R
  
  I first thought “who cares” when I read this. The TVNZ “news” team is a joke which appears to lack anything approaching an ability to investigate, to enquire, to be balanced and of course simply to report. This lot have a prescribed agenda and perhaps we’d all be better off without them. I haven’t watched TV news for many years. I have lost nothing from this decision.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Interesting that this subject has arisen – an old now retired former member of the Press Gallery with whom I stay in regular contact since my many years in Wellington has postulated the following and an interesting problem that appears to have arisen.
    Many in the Gallery are getting tired of being told what to say and do, except e young bimbos trying to make a name for them selves.
    It appears that the Labour Party particularly are concerned that what they expected from National has not arisen. They fully expected National to be screaming and jumping up and down against the COLL, but they are not which does not give them the opportunity to obfuscate against the marauding National members.
    If this tactic were to work then the COLL could hide behind the adverse publicity wrought by the Press Gallery.
    But what has happened is that the COLL – particularly Labour have created enough SNAFU of their own where by National does not to have to shit stir at the present time.
    The Greens apparently are way ahead with the bimbos in everything.
    They are the winner “test” Labour and will continue to so far it is believed.
    Whether Labour can force the Press Gallery to do their wishes remains to be seen. Lets face it they got what they wanted out of the last election a left wing Government thanks to Peters who is universally disliked in Parliament – a rude arrogant prick was mentioned.
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:27am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      First rule of winning
      Never get in the way of a team that is intent on losing. Especially now that we have a team to stupid to know they are losing.
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:19pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    And who writes their autocue material ?
    CSI reject hacks ?
    
    ‘Such and such are going to have to step it up a notch after being told blah blah’.
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:57am
- Tricati
  
  The fact the MSM don’t do any research is borne out by the TV1 news article last night with Twyford trumpeting the first Kiwibild houses.
  With the long consenting process, and from what I understand was reasonable ground remediation and infrastructure works, it seems these are the houses that were a National Party initiative and undertaking.
  All Twyford has done is subsidized the developer, stapled a Kiwibuild sticker on them, and claimed them as his.
  When is a real journalist going to call this muppet out – The degree of dishonesty is sickening.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:37am
  - Luke Piewalker
    
    Twyford … a hero of the nation (well in his lunchbox anyway)
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:22pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Hero Sandwich House Auckland; Hero Sandwich House, Eden Terrace?
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:21pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Journalism doesn’t exist in New Zealand.
    
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    April 29, 2018 3:58pm
- niggly
  
  Congratulations to Jessica Mutch – she has reported reasonably fairly over the years (without prejudices showing) and fairly respectably. She will make a fine Political Editor.
  
  Good riddance to the other two openly prejudiced lefties though – Vance was never a good fit for TV news reporting (grating accent, style over substance etc).
  
  And the damned awful Katie Bradford. How on earth she got the job in the first place is unbelievable – I cannot see how she could have beat other talented aspiring journalists, to land a coveted political reporting role.
  
  She was everything a TV reporter shouldn’t be – trashy “Lynn of Tawa” idiotic accent, bizarre persona (bouncing around with overzealous glee), let alone nevermind being tainted by her upbringing affecting her political reporting and angles she used. 7-Sharp would have been more fitting for her I would have thought.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:06am
  - starboard
    
    Apparently the man who apologised for being a man was / is porking K Bradford.
    Ewww.
    
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    April 29, 2018 2:41pm
    - KiWombat
      
      – – old news – –
      
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      April 29, 2018 6:45pm
- kowtow
  
  Thank God a feperson got the job , you can imagine the fuss there’d have been if a maleperson got it, as it is the wimmin can have a wee cat fight among themselves , for a change.
  
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  April 29, 2018 5:22pm
smttc

Morning all.

Just to keep WoO out of first place.

Doh.
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April 29, 2018 8:02am
Chuck Bird

What is the greatest risk to the planet and asteroid or global warming? It costs money to detect and deflect an asteroid. The world economy cannot afford this cost if we ban fossil fuels like the left want to do.

Humanity’s greatest challenge to save the world from catastrophic asteroid impacts

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12041405
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April 29, 2018 8:06am
- Carbine
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  An excellent example of the stupidity of these supporting the right. This is just so wrong on so many levels.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:33am
  - niggly
    
    Why so Carbine, can you please explain what you are thinking is wrong on so many levels? Genuinely interested in your thoughts on the matter.
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:17am
    - sooty
      
      Why? Because the Standard said so.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:23am
- flipper
  
  Too much lignocaine again Chucky…..
  
  Aren’t we supposed to collide with Mars ????
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:44am
  - mikewasmild
    
    You should be more worried about your collisions in the rest home. Don’t want to bump your head again and start babbling all that toxic bullshit. Must be embarrassing for the nursing staff to hear it all.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:05am
    - flipper
      
      Am I getting under your Fraser House thin skin prickhead ???
      Seems that I am.
      Good. Excellent.
      Let’s have more: Bring it on prickhead.
      
      You were senseless, and useless, aka the milkybarkid. You are worse, and just a plain prickwit, in your latest guise as mikewasmild.
      
      You really should return to your Engels/Marx/Lenin bibles (but Das Kapital and versions thereof, never helped anyone!). Or do you need Fraser House to switch on your audio programme, dumbass ????
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:06am
      - Viking2
        
        Or do you need Fraser House to switch on your audio programme, dumbass ????
        
        The only dumbass is yourself.
        MM has stated quite categorically many times that he is not in anyway attached to the Labour Party.
        I have been accused a few times of being a Nat. Nothing further from the truth.
        
        Both of us hold our views without being beholding to politics.
        
        You may well find that strange but many people are like us.
        
        Never could stand being brainwashed like some on here.
        
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        April 29, 2018 10:17am
      - mikewasmild
        
        V2
        flipper has never got over the mingled disgust, pleasure and, above all, awe that he felt when first required to fellate his hero Robert Muldoon. That early encounter with the physical side of politics has led him to simultaneously identify with all things National Party and reject the sense of pleasure he felt at becoming a chosen one. It’s very similar to the choirboy syndrome experienced by many Catholics.
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:34am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Did you read the article? Have you ever read what happened in Russia in 1908?
    
    I say it is a bigger threat than CO2 increases.
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:36am
    - mikewasmild
      
      Chuck
      It depends very much on the scale of the event. Fortunately, we appear to be much closer to the technical ability for early detection and diversion of an asteroid strike than we are in dealing with anthropogenic global warming.
      Just because an asteroid strike would be more catastrophic for humanity that large temperature increases and fast rising sea-level does not mean that the second threat needs to be ignored to concentrate on the first.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:38am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        FYI
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=59&v=Dah039ktrtQ
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:03pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      I’d say Taupo erupting was a much more significant threat to us here in NZ. Just over 2000 years ago it laid waste to the north island.
      
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      April 29, 2018 4:04pm
- srylands
  
  That article is stupid. The best guide to impacts is history. The earth gets hit by 100 metres diameter objects about once every century. If one such object hit a populated centre, it would be catastrophic, but it would not have global effects.
  
  Impacts with potentially global impacts that would threaten humanity occur at intervals of tens or hundreds of thousands of years. The article implies that such frequency has changed and there is am imminent threat. I would like to see the evidence.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So… “I would like to see the evidence.”
    and I would like to see the evidence of global warming, not statistical modeling….real evidence.
    Funny how
    The sea level hasn’t risen
    The glaciers are still there
    Both poles still have ice
    Europe still gets snow
    Even the Sahara desert had snow
    EVIDENCE not conjecture.
    
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    April 29, 2018 3:21pm
    - srylands
      
      The glaciers might still be there but they are disappearing fast. Tasman glacier will be gone totally in the next 10 years. Franz Joseph will be practically gone in the same time frame.
      
      I am not sure what kind of evidence you are looking for.
      
      https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        Liar:
        
        Victoria University published paper:
        
        Explaining New Zealand’s “unusual” growing glaciers
        https://www.victoria.ac.nz/news/2017/02/explaining-new-zealands-unusual-growing-glaciers
        
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        April 29, 2018 9:22pm
- backster
  
  While an asteroid collision is afar more dangerous possibility than man made global warming.I believe our greatest danger especially for NZ is a Solar Electromagnetic pulse striking even a glancing blow to our planet as a result of both the weakening of the earth and the sun’s magneticshields and the increasing movement of the Magnetic North and South Poles towards each other due to the approaching Grand Solar Minima.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:07am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    It has to be more dangerous because it’s a real possibility. Man made Global warming is a myth, at least the man made bit is. Warming may be happening, but only a tiny fraction could be blamed on humans. Now I know the usual alarmists are going to get all uppity about this and call me a fool, and question my academic credentials, so to all of you, FUCK OFF. To intelligent folk out there with a contrary position based on good science, I welcome your discourse.
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:30pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      rightoverlabour
      
      Thanks for that but I doubt if you will get intelligent debate. I must say Whaleoil has an interesting post on recent global cooling.
      
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/04/we-are-all-cooking-right-wrong-why-the-silence-on-the-latest-cooling/#more-378501
      
      https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/04/24/did_you_know_the_greatest_two-year_global_cooling_event_just_took_place_103243.html?utm_source=CCNet+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5497cafc89-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_04_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fe4b2f45ef-5497cafc89-36424221
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:51pm
ldypen

And the Blues are Crap!
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April 29, 2018 8:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  seconded.
  Went to the game. Empty stadium. A game of crash and bash with little spark.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:16am
  - VicParking
    
    Who was the other guy. There were more security and ball boys than spectators
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:54am
  - flipper
    
    Cannot dispute that Alex. Awful “spectacle”.
    But there seems to be several problems with the Blues
    1. Talent identification
    2. Coaching at lower levels
    3. Conditioning
    4. Media ignorance
    
    The conditioning is a real problem that seems to have grown from issues 1 & 2 – witness the pot-bellied tubs of lard on display as Blues props. An absolute disgrace. Folk like Brown, Dowd, Drake and McDowell for example, would have buried heads in hands.
    
    Media ignorance is of growing concern. It seems that no matter what the results the old saying that Cantabrians see Red from one eye and Black from the other, has been adopted by the Auckland cadre of uninformed scribblers. (Mind, Stuff and its Canterbury mob are just as bad.) Not a single T P McLean among them. Their pro-Auckland and pro- Crusaders bias is palpable.
    It is time the media took a close look at results to date and the competition standings ladders….. not one where teams have played more games are said to be “leading” the table.
    
    And so I could go on and on …..
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:09am
    - alex Masterley
      
      So could I.
      What makes me wonder is the Ioane brothers are lauded and are called the next big thing in Auckland rugby.
      But they didn’t stand out at all.
      Swamped by a limited but enthusiastic Jaguares.
      In fairness however, there are 18 players who are unavailable due to injury so the cupboard is bare at the moment in terms of personel.
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:42am
- pdm
  
  Despite what they say Umaga’s days must be numbered. I have never rated him as a coach.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:42am
  - RF
    
    Old spade face is history……
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:25am
  - mikewasmild
    
    Another example of a players, a captain even accelerated too quickly into major coaching roles roles.
    The top coaches seem to emerge more typical from those who had middle of the road playing careers. Very few great All Blacks have made great coaches:
    Fred Allen
    Brian Lochore
    Alex Wylie
    
    Many great, and not so great, All Blacks have been mediocre coaches.
    Laurie Mains
    Graham Mourie
    John Mitchell
    Todd Blackadder
    Mark Hammett
    Frank Oliver
    Tana Umaga
    John Kirwan
    Robbie Deans
    etc
    
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    April 29, 2018 11:47am
    - Kimbo
      
      The problem with the litany of coaches who failed at the Hurricanes was the players, not necessarily the coaches. Beegee Williams was Mourie’s co-coach, and his record is outstanding right through the grades with Ponsonby, Auckland and Manu Samoa.
      
      Also disagree with your assessment of Mains, Deans as “mediocre”, or that Lochore was a great coach.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:57am
      - mikewasmild
        
        You can argue at the margins about individuals, but the main point is that rushing great players or captains into big time coaching jobs is a bad idea.
        As for the Hurricanes, their best coaches have clearly been Colin Cooper and Chris Boyd and now John Plumtree, guys that have done the hard yards to build coaching careers.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:06pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Don’t disagree that you have to serve a coaching apprenticeship. Mind you, Umaga, after not doing much at Toulon despite a huge war chest, did ok with Counties-Manukau.
        
        But yes, and joking aside there have been a number of good coaches here at club level in Auckland over the past 15 years, particularly out of Ponsonby who have done an outstanding job with the club and age-grade rep teams they have been assigned. Yes, the pro level is a lot more complex, yet we have no problem seeing that as the pathway for age group, then club players to transition on to ITM Cup, then Super rugby, then international play. So why not coaches? The same three issues of Innovating, Influencing and Implementing remain the same no matter at what grade you coach. Going up the grades just expands the requirements within the same three criteria, but unless you master those at a lower level, you will be exposed the higher you go.
        
        Instead, typical Jaffas, they despise anything homegrown, and try to cheat by importing external management expertise. Hence David Nucifora which is when the rot first set in. Pat Lam was a justifiable promotion at the time. But despite his prior Auckland-connections, John Kirwan was not. he had not achieved anything of note with Italy or Japan (compare with BG Williams with a similar tough 2nd-tier nation with Manu Samoa making it beyond pool play in three World Cups in succession). Instead, it was political machinations that put Kirwan there.
        
        And that’s the core problem in Jaffaland rugby – too much politics in the rugby, and in the board room. But then that has always been the problem with Auckland rugby. People think that the Fred Allen ear of the early 1960s, or that 15 year Hart-Trapp-Williams-Henry reign of 1982-97 is the norm. It’s not. Auckland rugby’s long-term legacy is one of under-achievement compared to the player-resources at their disposal.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:17pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Although, credit where it is due to BJ, he had to manage an All Black team in transition from 1985-87, and he utilsed both Wyllie and Hart well at the 1987 World Cup.
      
      But both of them steered Lochore behind the scenes, especially when it came to establishing a coherent selection criteria that fitted in with a pre-set game plann, i.e., the onme that both Canterbury, and then Auckland had perfected under Wyllie and Hart.
      
      The All Black team that lost the 3rd test to the Wallabies in 1986, and with it the Bledisloe Cup was one of the worst selected in history: Veterans Gary Knight and Mark Shaw, and a block-bash 2nd five eighth in Arthur Stone, and Jock Hobbs ahead of Mark Brooke-Cowden indicated a conservative game-plan, but they had Frano Botica not Grant Fox at no. 10…and they tried to run it all day.
      
      Some of Laurie Mains’ selections, especially at half back were debatable, but he too had a team in transition, and he was trying to transform the existing toxic culture. So it wasn’t just on-field play that could be observed that was driving the selections, Hence Graham Bachop’s moodiness in 1992 disqualified him for a few years. And Mains sure as hell got it right at the end of his tenure.
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:04pm
      - MCos
        
        The team that Mains coached at the 1995 RWC was one of the greats. They should have won the bloody thing.
        If it’s raining outside and life is getting you down and nothing is going right, scratch around on YouTube and find the semifinal against England. One of the great, groundbreaking rugby games.
        If Jonah running over Mike Catt doesn’t put a smile on your face seek professional assistance.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:41pm
      - MCos
        
        Keith Quinn’s commentary thereof spoke more sense in two words than forty years of Channel 9’s entire cricket lineup of experts and hasbeens.
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Not Richie Benaud! Both the 12th Man and the original. ?
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mIL6KZox6Ao
        
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        April 29, 2018 4:35pm
CJames

Another person who refuses to accept that their son was killed by his own stupidity in a car chase.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12031001
What is the relevance of the cop car not having a current WoF?
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April 29, 2018 8:09am
- peterwn
  
  Agreed it is not really relevant. However this is a serious matter in itself. The Police Officer driving the car at the time should be issued an infringement for driving a vehicle without a warrant of fitness. It is the responsibility of a person driving a vehicle to ensure that the registration and warrant are up to date, although admittedly virtually all drivers rely on the owner or employer keeping these up to date.
  It is of concern that there was a systems failure within the Police which meant the vehicle was not checked for a warrant when it should have been.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:27am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Indeed, even the terminally worthless VTNZ send out reminders when a WoF is due.
    I would be surprised if the Holden dealer that has the service contract didn`t.
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:51am
    - Inandout
      
      True. I would imagine the Holden dealer had a warranty understanding with the Police to carry out warrants. A Police driver shouldn’t be required to check for warrants every time they enter the vehicle. Mind you, both Holden and Ford are struggling to survive in Oz, and there have been some customers who have had serious warranty issues.
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:28am
      - MCos
        
        Try running that excuse passed a ticketing officer.
        Of course it’s the driver’s responsibility.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:47pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Doesn’t surprise me a bit about the WOF…. the cops can’t even get it together to clean their vehicles and make them look, decent, so its no wonder their maintenance is all over the place.
    
    Disgraceful and shows a basic lack of self respect.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:44am
    - Inandout
      
      I have an issue as well with Police who have their arms covered in tattoos. This would once have never been allowed, even though the bros may think it cool. A few years ago in Helen’s time we almost had a tattooed Police Commissioner.
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:00am
      - backster
        
        Well when you have your unmarried pregnant Prime Minister’s Consort turn up at the National Anzac Day Memorial not bothering to wear a tie,it’s a bit easier to understand the slippage in Police standards.
        
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        April 29, 2018 10:19am
    - realityczech
      
      The don’t call them the the filth for nothing.
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:07pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  2 of the strangest words, never used in the same sentence these days.
  PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
  
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  April 29, 2018 3:24pm
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps CJames it is an example of some early COL cost cutting ahead of the budget?
  
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  April 29, 2018 4:27pm
Manolo

Selling smoke is not always easy:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/28/world/europe/pope-francis-vatican-roman-catholics-populism.html

Today, Francis is increasingly embattled. The political climate has shifted abruptly around the world, empowering populists and nationalists who oppose much of what he stands for. Conservative forces arrayed against him within the Vatican have been emboldened, seeking to thwart him on multiple fronts.
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April 29, 2018 8:14am
- waikatosinger
  
  Most of his problems arise from not doing his job. He is supposed to be a strong advocate for Christianity, not an advocate for trendy lefty politics. His sucking up to Islam at a time when thousands a Christians are suffering under Islamic brutality is particularly sickening.
  
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  April 29, 2018 4:11pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    And what sort of Christian are you, waikatosinger?
    
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    April 29, 2018 4:20pm
MCos

Something I never knew before.
In 1935 Italy invaded & eventually occupied Ethiopia.
Only six countries refused to recognize this occupation at the time. China, Spain, USA, Mexico, USSR and New Zealand.
Strange bedfellows.
I’m sure Spain would have changed their mind when Franco took over.
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April 29, 2018 8:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  MCos, “Marxist” NZ Labour Party in action?
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:30am
  - Harkman
    
    Labour didn’t win until December 1935.
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:11pm
    - Kimbo
      
      The Italian annexation wasn’t completed until 1936 I think, which is probably when NZ were asked to recognise it at the League of Nations. Mussolini’s conquistadors were so useless, even with mustard gas, planes and tanks against men in horses armed with spears it took them months to beat Haile Selassie’s men. You can take the soldier out of Italy, but you can’t take the Italy out of the soldier. ???
      
      Also, I seem to recall Anthony Eden resigned from the British cabinet at the time because his Prime Minister, Stanley Baldwin, didn’t take a firmer line against Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia. But Baldwin redeemed himself later in 1936 by resisting Edward VIII in the matter of marrying Wallis Simpson.
      
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      April 29, 2018 8:28pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep, google confirms the final ratification by the League of the annexation was after 7 June 1936, by which time the First Labour Government was determining our foreign policy. And they were never keen on fascist aggression!
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssinia_Crisis
      
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      April 29, 2018 8:36pm
    - Kimbo
      
      But apologies to Stanley Baldwin. It was Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement of Mussolini’s involvement in the Spanish Civil War in early 1938 that prompted Eden’s resignation as British Foreign Secretary:
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Eden
      
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- Andrei
  
  Not really strange
  
  The USA was always against imperialism except for its own of course
  
  The USA took over the reminants of the Spanish Empire with the Spanish American War in 1898 getting Cuba and the Philipines and annexing Hawaii in the process
  
  WW2 “the good war “ was actually multple conflicts that coalesced into a big conflagration
  
  The European war to stop German expansion in Europe
  
  The Italian war which was about Italy recreating a Mediterranean empire
  
  And the Pacific War where the European powers and the USA fought to stop the Empire of Japan absorbing their own far Eastern posssions
  
  The French held Indo China
  The Americans the Philipines
  The English Malaya etc
  The Dutch Indonesia and the Japanese took them
  
  It was all empire stuff really – the great game
  
  But we pretend otherwise
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:37am
  - VicParking
    
    To the winner the spoils
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:57am
  - mikewasmild
    
    You seem to forget the wars the Soviet Union initiated to claim Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, half of Poland, and bits of Finland.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:10am
    - Jack5
      
      The Baltic states were a tiny expansion compared with Russia’s colonisation of Siberia, then the Soviet Union incorporating or finishing taking over what are now Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia.
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:31am
      - Kimbo
        
        Not for the people of the Baltic states! ?
        
        Mikhail Tal, “the magician of Riga”, world chess champion 1960-61, from ~~Latvia~~ ~~Russia~~ the USSR.
        
        Plus mikey was referring to the expansion that occurred with the Molotov-von Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact in 1939, which laid the foundation for the soviets to reacquire the Baltic states after losing them in the Russian Civil War.
        
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        April 29, 2018 10:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Chinese are moving back into Siberia.
        http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb
        
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        April 29, 2018 10:40am
      - Jack5
        
        Kimbo, without wanting to mitigate Soviet oppression in the Baltic countries, it needs to be said that Russian expansion there began well before communism.
        
        In fact, some say it was Latvian reaction to a brutal repression in Latvia by Tsarists’ Cossacks that later helped the Reds take over Russia in 1917.
        
        Latvian regiments that switched support to the communist side and became known as the Latvian Red Riflemen helped suppress anti-Bolshevik uprisings in Moscow and Yaroslavl in 1918.
        
        You can read in Wikipedia also that “the Latvian Red Riflemen were instrumental in the attempt to establish Soviet rule in Latvia in 1919.”
        
        Sadly, now free Latvia’s ethnic-Latvians make up less than two-thirds of the country’s population. The biggest minority comprises ethnic Russians, who make up a quarter of the country’s population.
        
        Contrary to what neo-marxist-inspired multiculturists preach, having such a small dominant group is a future powder keg.
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:05am
      - Andrei
        
        The Chinese are moving back into Siberia.
        
        The Taiga is hard empty country Maggie, rich in resources, but hard living – Russia has been encouraging people to move there since Tsarist times and still is. The old pioneer spirit is missing in most people I guess
        
        Even places like Wyoming are still empty – read about the people who moved there last century, most of them couldn’t cut it, some committed suicide and they were people made of sterner stuff than the internet generation
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:05am
      - Jack5
        
        Siberia is hard, as Andrei points out.
        
        Have a look at life in this Siberian village.
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/01/16/in-the-coldest-village-on-earth-eyelashes-freeze-dinner-is-frozen-and-temperatures-sink-to-88f/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.64649efc3a93
        
        If that link doesn’t work, you can try:
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266374/Oymyakon-coldest-village-earth-Temperatures-drop-71-2C-locals-wear-glasses-freeze-faces-school-shuts-falls-52C.html
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:14am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Andrei
        
        Even places like Wyoming are still empty – read about the people who moved there last century, most of them couldn’t cut it, some committed suicide
        
        Or you could take even longer, and watch the movie, “Heaven’s Gate”, based on the Johnson County War in late 19th Century Wyoming and you’ll then want to commit suicide too! 😉
        
        https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/heavens-gate-1981
        
        During the interval at the premiere, director Michael Cimino asked why no one was talking, much less consuming the champagne and hors d’oeuvres, and received the reply, “Because they hate the movie, Michael”. 😉
        
        As one critic wrote, “Mr. Cimino’s approach to his subject is so predictable that watching the film is like a forced, four-hour walking tour of one’s own living room.” 😉
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:27am
      - Jack5
        
        Andrei overlooked the closest US colony: American Samoa.
        
        The American Samoans even have at least one unit in the US Army:
        
        https://youtu.be/QFe97vHRvIE
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:37am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Wrong at so many levels. You have forgotten (or never knew) that it was Japan who attacked the US at Pearl Harbour, the British in Malaya and the Dutch in Indonesia. That is Japan embarked on an agreesive war. Not surprisingly the US fought back.
    In every case it was the Axis powers who attacked everyone else. And for Italy and Germany their attacks were formally co-ordinated.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:28am
    - Andrei
      
      No I haven’t forgotten that at all Wayne Mapp
      
      But the history doesn’t start with Pearl Harbour
      
      The European powers had divied up East Asia except Japan stayed more or less free and started to industrialize
      
      And the European powers along with the USA who were the imperial powers in the region did everything they could to prevent the rise of an East Asian power while Japan joined their great game – they grabbed Korea around 1910 for example.
      
      And they all impeded access to the resources Japan needed to industrialize
      
      Doesn’t mean I think it was right for Japan to bomb Pearl Harbour anymore than I think it is right for the USA, GB and France to have bombed Syria last week or for American troops to be occupying the oil fields of North East Syria as we speak
      
      But don’t try and tell me the Dutch had a right to the Dutch East Indies now Indonesia or the French to Indochina or the Brits to Malaya or the USA to Hawaii for that matter because they took and held them by force
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:38am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Andrei
      
      Whereas Tsarist Russian efforts to retain hegemony in the region sank to the bottom of the the sea (literally!) with the ill-fated Baltic Fleet at the Battle of Tsushima in 1905! ?
      
      Incidentally, given suggestions Donald Trump is now in the running to win a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering what may be an official end to the Korean War, then-POTUS Teddy Roosevelt was awarded the prize for his efforts in mediating the end of the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese conflict.
      
      So who knows, if the Donald continues to Make America Great Again he may also be in the running for (shout out here for sometime-Kiwiblogger, oob! ?) the Nobel Pize in Economics. I can’t recall anyone ever doing that double.
      
      I’d suggest that as Trump only limits his published output to only 140 characters at any one time, even his most enthusiastic supporters will admit the Nobel literature prize is unlikely to ever come his way. But given that ones’s skin colour is sufficient to merit a Nobel prize these days, and also a (admittedly very great) singer/songwriter, who the hell knows what criteria the selection committee will choose to apply! ?
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:51am
    - Jack5
      
      Before the Pacific War, the Soviet Union and Japan had many dust-ups and some serious battles on the border of Siberia and Mongolia with Japanese-occupied Manchuria.
      
      The Red Army won the 1938 battle at Lake Khasan, employing more than 300 tanks and suffering about 4000 casualties.
      
      In 1939, after several skirmishes, Zhukov, with seven Russian divisions and two Mongolian divisions, decisively defeated the Japanese at Khalkin Gol.
      
      Then in 1945, with Japan on the ropes, the Red Army took Manchuria from the Japanese. The Western Allies, co-operating with the Soviet Union, appear in hindsight to have been misinformed about the strength of the Japanese army left in Manchuria. It had shrunk repeatedly as its troops were transferred elsewhere.
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:51am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Jack5
      
      That border dust-up in 1939 was the reason for the Japanese signing their own Non-Agression/Neutrality pact with Stalin in 1941 (without reference to their anti-Comintern allies, and just two months before the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union).
      
      Instead, it more or less committed the Japanese militarists to expand East and South against the Americans (who had imposed oil sanctions to curb the Sino-Japanese conflict), and not North and West against the Soviets.
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:59am
- mikewasmild
  
  The first Labour Government here placed some hopes in collective security and the League of Nations system. At the same time, it chose to invest in rebuilding some level of armed forces after many years of continual cuts. The priority was in naval and air defence, including the purchase of the Wellington bombers that became the nucleus of the famous 75 Squadron. The NZ division of the RN acquired modern light cruisers. The army remained neglected, however, and that certainly had an impact in the early years of the war.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So the first Labour Government created our Air Force and the Fourth Labour Government took it away.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:04am
    - Simon
      
      “In 1946 Soviet jet engine designers approached Stalin with a request to buy jet designs from Western sources to overcome design difficulties. Stalin is said to have replied: “What fool will sell us his secrets?”
      
      To Stalin’s amazement, Cripps and the Labour government were perfectly willing to provide technical information on the Rolls-Royce Nene centrifugal-flow jet engine along with discussions of a licence to manufacture Nene engines
      
      The Nene engine was promptly reverse-engineered and produced in modified form as the Soviet Klimov VK-1 jet engine, later incorporated into the MiG-15 which flew in time to deploy in combat against UN forces in North Korea in 1950,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_Cripps
      
      Labour.
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:13am
      - mikewasmild
        
        Are you quite sure no Conservative government ever sold technology or weapons that were later used against British forces?
        Tales like this do cannot easily back up your simplistic partisan preferences. Take care, or you will sound like noted fuckwits burt, flipper, et al.
        
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        April 29, 2018 9:18am
    - mikewasmild
      
      As in so many things, anything the Labour Party initiates is first bitterly condemned and then faithfully continued by its National Party successors. That cycle seems unvarying, whether the ideas are good or bad.
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:13am
      - Simon
        
        And Stalin said what fools would give away their technology?
        
        Answer: Labour
        
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        April 29, 2018 10:34am
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We interupt this general debate to bring you an important message from NZ First leader Winston Peters . . .
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April 29, 2018 8:34am
- Morrissey
  
  Who took a camera to the 2005 Daisycutter Sports Inc. Christmas party?
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:20am
  - Gentleman Bastard
    
    Was it you for the purpose of getting surreptitious upskirt photos?
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:56am
Happychappy

I see another tosser from the Lefts school of excuses for journalism has come out with a story of the return of Dirty Politics. David Slack wonders if the first bloke doesn’t feel like he’s on the wrong end of a fishing line. Jesus some of these idiots dream up some fairy tales to suit their Political agendas.
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April 29, 2018 8:37am
- niggly
  
  Probably because David Slack an now such “old white man” himself he has to turn up the overblown rhetoric to remain “relevant” and “hip and cool” in modern left-wing circles?
  
  Silly old hard-leftie bearded git, doesn’t he realise he just needs to reinvent himself as a hipster and dig out all his old clothes from several decades ago and mix-and-match them with a Che teeshirt? 😉
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:31am
artemisia

So Ms Sepuloni is not going to overhaul the welfare system imminently, as promised by the Prime Minister. More like a new working group and a plan to turn a jumbo jet round in 3 years, maybe.

Mind you I see Lindsay Mitchell says, correctly, that jumbo jets can and do turn around really really fast.

Wrong metaphor Ms Sepuloni.

And she does not have a grip on her big ticket item, no sanction for solo parents not naming the other parent. Also from the below link.

‘The sanction currently affects around 17,000 children, and Ms Sepuloni told Newshub Nation getting rid of it would cost an estimated $280 million. (She later clarified this was a mistake – the actual figure is $95 million over four years.)’

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/04/welfare-overhaul-to-get-underway-in-next-three-years-carmel-sepuloni.html
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April 29, 2018 8:44am
- VicParking
  
  Who cares just throw the cost into the fiscal hole.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sepuloni must be the only Welfare Minister in the world who’s mother was a benefit fraudster.
  Let’s do this.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:07am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Supporters of the party of Bill English, Doug Graham, and Roger McClay should not condemn anyone for fraud.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:44am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Fuck Off
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:52am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Succinct
        
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        April 29, 2018 9:59am
    - GazzaW
      
      ………or of John Kirk, Taito Field or Chris Carter.
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:30am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      What about supporters of the party of Bill Jeffries, Phillip Field and Darren Hughes?
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:03pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Was Phillip Field the only MP in the history of NZ to be jailed (while in office)?
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:28pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True Captain Mainwaring this is one native that is way out of her depth while failing to understand that the sheeple want instant action. They blew their budget on the grandiose Family Package and free tertiary education in the rush to do something quick. So now it is all too hard for Septic and she has reneged to the fall back expert review panel which further confirms that the natives really do know how to wrought the system.
    
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    April 29, 2018 4:42pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      *rort*
      
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      April 29, 2018 4:52pm
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We didn’t receive wisdom, we must discover for ourselves after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.

Marcel Proust.
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April 29, 2018 8:45am
- VicParking
  
  Off you go then Stephie, my old mate, I will open the door for you Take warm clothes and a good goat as it will be a long journey. ??
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:04am
- Viking2
  
  Haven’t taken much on board then in the last wee while.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:25am
duggledog

Isn’t Sepuloni the one whose mother was defrauding the benefit system?

Of course she knew.
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April 29, 2018 8:55am
- VicParking
  
  She will need an expert panel to advise her. I know someone who is sitting alone in a castle in Dunedin who is an expert in this field.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And, is available!
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Think she should load this panel with criminal lawyers, she may find the need for a good defense.
    
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    April 29, 2018 3:30pm
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GROPERS
No. 33: Tom Brokaw

Former NBC correspondent Linda Vester has accused long-time NBC anchor Tom Brokaw of groping her and trying to forcibly kiss her back in the early 1990s. She says that once at the Denver bureau office, Brokaw came up behind her, put his hand on her waist, and then groped her. A second time, she says, Brokaw insisted on visiting her in her hotel room, and then tried repeatedly to forcibly kiss her. Brokaw has denied the accusations.

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/4/27/headlines/nbc_anchor_tom_brokaw_accused_sexual_harassment

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students
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- Morrissey
  
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  Four supporters of Tom Gropaw have registered with us. How pathetic.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na,
    At least 14 folks have downticked you and your inapposite posts.
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:14am
    - mikewasmild
      
      Inapposite? How so, in a general debate?
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But it’s not a debate is it?
        Morrissey just posts here to abuse Kiwibloggers who register a downtick against his Groper post.
        
        There could be a number of reasons why people down tick a Groper post — one could be registering disapproval of the Groper/groper behaviour.
        
        But Morrissey always takes the line that if you downtick his post it means your are a Groper supporter.
        
        That is why his posts are inapposite…. they are a platform for his abuse of KB commenters; they aren’t being used for debate.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:42pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Not buying it, Maggy. I get it that you would like Kiwblog to be a cozy echo chamber for people that agree with you.
        If you came out and presented that argument, maybe he would respond. But just labelling his groper post was about as effective as a downtick.
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        milky is right Wiggles and that is alarming. Raise your game.
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not buying it, Maggy.
        
        Well don’t buy it, then.
        
        I don’t want KB to be an echo chamber….. didn’t it’stricky try that one on me a week or so.
        
        But hey, if Morrissey has a real concern about how folks enable sexual abusers, he could address the sexual abuse directed at me on this blog, for instance.
        
        Or he could concern himself with some current matter
        Pamplona rape case: Protests over sentence go in to third day
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43935380
        
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        April 29, 2018 2:33pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Poor victimised Maggy. You think you have been singled out for some abuse?
        
        This is Kiwiblog.
        
        Some scum here get to call other participants paedophiles and their antics are encouraged by the limp moderation. Others get harassed and doxxed relentlessly.
        
        I’ll take your whingeing seriously when you start defending people you don’t agree with from personal abuse. Otherwise, you can put yourself in the same camp as the other hypocrites like Nostradamus or the sanctimonious Keeping Stock.
        
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        April 29, 2018 4:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Nice of you to forget the times when I have called out personal abuse MwasM.
        
        Yes, I agree there is limp moderation here.
        
        I was sure sucker punched when I arrived.
        
        I notice those who hunt in packs and indulge in abuse.
        It’s easy to pretend from day-to-day that something has or hasn’t happened.
        
        Why indulge in abuse in the first place?
        Why make up excuses for those that do abuse?
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:13pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        We can all be hypocrites at times.
        No one here consistently attacks bad behaviour: reactions tend to depend on who is commenting and what ideas or political persuasion they appear to represent.
        A good case would be Keeping Stock and his ilk, who will condemn anything nasty said about their precious National Party politicians but remain absolutely silent when the same sort of shit is flung at Labour Party politicians.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Some scum here get to call other participants paedophiles”
        
        Are you referring to the repugnant filth who got called out for defending pedophiles? The ones who are continuing to spread lies and target the messenger as a distraction?
        
        Those people have clearly demonstrated that they will act to hide child abuse to protect their religious bias. They are disgusting.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:23pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Sure Kea. I mean, trolling is trolling, and usually good fun. But some people, and some ideas, are truly monstrous.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ll take your whingeing seriously when you start defending people you don’t agree with from personal abuse.
        
        You missed the occasion when I reported the abuser of Penny (The person who said she needed a bullet in the head)
        
        You missed the occasion when I remonstrated against a commenter talking about stephieboy’s identity.
        
        I have reported a number of abusive comments here to DPF… It’s his blog.. his limits/standards are different to mine.
        
        All I have for my defence is to identify the crap and lies told/promulgated against me.
        Yeah, call me a whingeing victim… I’m getting used to the abuse.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        You need to learn that crying troll just makes you look pathetic. If you disagree with someone then say so. If someone holds a divergent view it does not mean they are trolling.
        
        Some examples of “trolling” over the years:
        
        1. Blacks should have equal rights.
        2. Women should be able to vote.
        3. Homos can be free of persecution.
        
        All of these ideas were considered outrageous at one time and you would have cried them down as trolling had you been around.
        
        Edit: Wiggles harden up and stop being the self appointed comment cop. You are smarter than that and more than hold your own.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:38pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Morris Dancer, this bandwagon of yours seems to be going nowhere. Does it need some grease on the wheel bearings?
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:38am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Do we HAVE to have a destination? Our bandwagon is careering around, stopping every now and then to pick up another Groper. If you can help, Cap’n, you’re most welcome.
    
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    April 29, 2018 9:42am
    - rangitoto
      
      Labour party is missing from your list.
      
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      April 29, 2018 4:49pm
  - G152
    
    Whoa.
    He is no Morris Dancer.
    I know a few and they are nothing like that dweeb.
    In fact belling him would be a great idea, we could hear him coming and go away
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:53pm
- Harkman
  
  Where’s the Labour groper? Or are you throwing out lefty decoys to cover for this scandal? I notice when this news first broke you suddenly disappeared from your daily trolling.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Morrissey has no credibility here until he addresses the ~~ELEPHANT in THE ROOM~~ Groper in the Labour Camp.
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:11am
    - Viking2
      
      Do you pick up ex labour MP’s who excersize on big balls.
      Apparently there is one in the Wellington area.
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:28am
- backster
  
  33 A member of the young Labour Indoctrination Camp whose name has been covered up.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:49am
  - G152
    
    I feel number one fisherman will hook the groper..
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:54pm
- realityczech
  
  “GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®”
  
  Morris Dancer, will you be doing one on ~~predatory rapists and pedophiles~~ lefties?
  
  I appreciate all your diligent work, but grabbing a groupies bum is hardly as shocking as drugging and raping youths. Being a lefty you will be able to give us the inside story.
  
  You can start with Labour’s rape camp and terrified young men running drugged and naked through Wellington to escape Labour perverts.
  
  PRO TIP: A strong local focus will make your story more relevant to readers.
  
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  April 29, 2018 11:57am
Happychappy

I hope DPF is going to do a story on they eighteen new kiwi build house’s that Phil Twyford has just announced are under way in Auckland as there is a lot of conflicting stories on whether they are part of the Labour Party Kiwi Build Homes.
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April 29, 2018 9:22am
- Viking2
  
  Given it takes forever to get subdivisions done and just about as long to get council consents ity simply is not one of his.
  He knew he was bullshitting at the opening if you watch his body language.
  
  Time for new name for him. Phul of shit Twyord orBillshitford.
  Make your suggestions today.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:32am
- GazzaW
  
  ………only 9,982 new homes to go Phil.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  From The Tasman council.
  About the Subdivision Process
  
  “There are a number of steps involved in the subdivision of land so it can become a time consuming process. The simplest of subdivisions can take three to four months to complete while the more complicated or larger ones can take a lot longer. Although there are some statutory time periods associated with the subdivision consent process, the time taken to complete a subdivision rests entirely with the applicant.”
  Note 3-4 months, for consent
  How long to do the ground works? (roads, electric, drainage, telecoms, water, sewage)
  Really Phil, ALL your own work?????
  F- for cheating.
  
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  April 29, 2018 3:44pm
VicParking

A cyber consultant in the US states that energy companies there spend less than 0.2% of their income on cyber security. As the top ten energy companies have a turn over exceeding $850 billion 0.2% of that is a big figure. Once again we have a comment by someone who has a vested interest in fudging figures for their own advantage.
My point with bringing this up is that this also is happening widely in New Zealand. “More money needs to be spent and I will spend it for you”. “Better still set up an advisory group first with me on it so I can tell you exactly how much money I need” This is the result of a political Party getting into power who have no Ideas. 80 advisory groups and still counting.
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April 29, 2018 9:24am
Morrissey

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Yes, there ARE actually athletes with brains and a conscience. Here is one of the best of them.

He’s been bestowed with yet another honour…

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/4/23/headlines/colin_kaepernick_wins_amnestys_ambassador_of_conscience_award
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April 29, 2018 9:25am
Dave Mann

More power outages in Auckland last night.

Yesterday there was a little bit of rain and the wind blew at maybe 30kph. And the fucking power cut off again at 11.30.

No way to tell what the outlook was coz Vector’s website was down and their cute little phone app thingy didn’t work. Fortunately it was back on this morning so all’s well until the next blackout.

I suppose this is how advanced societies fail. Gradually things degenerate until everyone gets used to huddling over a woodstove by candle light. Soon it becomes ‘normal’ and the people just have to accept that they no longer live in the First World.

Wonderful.
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April 29, 2018 9:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Been dead calm in Wellington now for about 36 hours. Bit of light rain but bugger all.
  Oh, to be in Auckland where at least the weather is exciting.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:35am
  - MCos
    
    Dead calm in Wellington usually means there’s an earthquake not far way.
    
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    April 29, 2018 11:40am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Hardly requires calm weather to predict, there’s an earthquake in Wgtn.
      
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      April 29, 2018 3:47pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  “I suppose this is how advanced societies fail.”
  
  Yep. They get arrogant and lose all touch with reality. I noted the NZH editorial which said, in response to efforts from Steve Braunias:
  
  “The earthquakes and recent extreme weather events have underlined the wisdom of keeping a household prepared for a sudden loss of power and access to provisions. Candles, cans of food, gas for the barbecue, torches, a transistor radio, batteries, and bottles of water in case the pipes are broken. To go much beyond that sounds excessive.”
  
  One storm – 1/4 of Auckland without power, followed by rolling outages at the slightest hint of rain/wind. Sewage (normally) running through the wastewater all over Auckland (not to mention microplastics and microfibres) and other towns with contaminated supplies. But ‘the authorities’ want to massively increase the population in ever smaller dwellings, ever more intensively, who have no access to natural food/clean water sources etc.
  
  Forget about ‘doomsday’ scenarios of nuclear war. Just look at what a little rain/wind can do. The human species is not ‘ignoring’ the natural world. It’s at war with it – and determined to spite it at every turn, be it in infrastructure or sexual behaviour.
  
  One thing that would have been positive about responding to doomsday scenarios, and planning for it, is that life would have been truly ‘sustainable’. As it is, we’re a disaster waiting to happen, becoming more vulnerable all the time as arrogant self-indulgence and hubris determines actions.
  
  There are two marked examples in Japan from the 2011 tsunami:
  
  “Residents of Aneyoshi, Japan, heeded the warnings of their ancestors. They obeyed directions and wisdom found on a local stone monument: “Do not build any homes below this point,” it reads. “High dwellings are the peace and harmony of our descendants. Remember the calamity of the great tsunamis.” When the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami devastated Japan, this village sat safely above the high water mark…residents of Aneyoshi would caution against ignoring the lessons of their ancestors.
  
  “In the end,” wrote Kathryn Schulz … “the magnitude-9.0 Tohoku earthquake and subsequent tsunami killed more than eighteen thousand people, devastated northeast Japan, triggered the meltdown at the Fukushima power plant, and cost an estimated two hundred and twenty billion dollars.”… Technology and preparation can help, but building higher is a surer defense. Always read the tsunami stone.”
  
  I have no doubt that ‘the authorities’ in Tohoku would have labelled any attempt to take account of ‘tsunami stones’ in its development as unnecessarily alarmist in our technological age.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:25am
  - mikewasmild
    
    Anne
    It doesn’t seem quite like you at all to be advocating for a managed retreat from coastal areas most vulnerable to rising seal levels.
    Did you swallow some sensibility pills by mistake with your more does of bilge water?
    
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    April 29, 2018 11:55am
    - realityczech
      
      milky stick with the science. Wiggles and I will help. This should get you started.
      
      Fake news story yesterday about shrinking glaciers in NZ:
      https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/04/thin-ice/
      
      Victoria University published paper:
      
      Explaining New Zealand’s “unusual” growing glaciers
      https://www.victoria.ac.nz/news/2017/02/explaining-new-zealands-unusual-growing-glaciers
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:04pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Sensibility? The quality of being able to appreciate and respond to complex emotional or aesthetic influences; sensitivity?
      
      What you’re referring to is blind allegiance to someone’s ideology and/or theory. No, that’s not what I was being. Just the opposite.
      
      It’s irrefutable that if/when/where the species is at war with the natural world – the natural world is going to win. Every time. Sooner or later.
      
      I assume you’re referring to being ‘sensible’. Indeed. You might not like the law of gravity but if you jump off a tall building, you’re going to die. Even if you use a parachute, if you keep doing it, eventually it will fail and you’ll die – or more likely thousands of other gullible people will.
      
      Same applies to all other human ideologically/philosophically/theoretically based practices – be they mental, physical, emotional, social, economic, sexual …….
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        “You might not like the law of gravity but if you jump off a tall building, you’re going to die. ”
        
        milky rejects gravity as Racist and Sexist, due to the number of overweight Pacifica Women being unfairly disadvantaged by it. It is also Homophobic due to the effect it has on fat pink haired bull dykes.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:29pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        I’m still loving your work, Kea. You really are well in advance of your fellow pros JasonJohns and UpanComer, and simply streets ahead of poor muddled thinkers like Anne.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Tree huggers.
  
  Councils and punters need to make their minds up , power supply or pretty trees everywhere , including near and over vital infrastructure.
  
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  April 29, 2018 5:39pm
wiseowl

Productivity Commission.
I looked up to find out about this body and where they come from.
What a waste of money.
Another government body that contains economists and highly qualified people who know nothing.
15 staff that may be expanded to 20 who will churn out more bs.
Get rid of them and no one will notice.
Drain the swamp.
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April 29, 2018 9:30am
- Happychappy
  
  We are 20th in the world in productivity at $40.9GDP per hour worked and average work week hours 33.8 so looking at the list we need some group or some one to try and increase productivity in NZ.
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:42am
holysheet

During a lull between the speeches at a Govt house function, Clarke Gayford leaned over to chat with the drunken dwarf. “You know Winston, I bought Cindy a parrot for Christmas. That bird is so smart, Cindy has already taught her to pronounce over two hundred words!” “Wow, that’s pretty impressive,” said Winston, “but, you do realise that she just speaks the words, she doesn’t really understand what they mean.” “Oh, I know,” Clarke replied, “Neither does the parrot !”
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April 29, 2018 9:39am
Morrissey

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“Drain the swamp”???!!??

Y’know, quoting Donald Trump does nothing for your credibility.
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April 29, 2018 9:39am
- mandk
  
  Oh, I don’t know about that, Morrissey.
  
  How about we judge wiseowl’s credibility on the basis of his uptick vs downtick count?
  
  And we can do the same with you.
  
  Not looking too good for you right now.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:53am
  - MCos
    
    “How about we judge wiseowl’s credibility on the basis of his uptick vs downtick count?”
    
    Next time I go to the races I’ll run my picks passed Kiwiblog.
    I’ll be rich in no time, apparently!
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:02pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      We can all win. I see no downside to that method.
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:42pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh
    
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    April 29, 2018 2:05pm
Harkman

Dopey Dann, a lefty politics professor, a gay sounding PI and Peter Dunne. Gee really representative of all of NZ. Another week and still no anti-socialist commentators on the panel.
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April 29, 2018 9:46am
Harkman

David Clark was all talk in opposition. Housing, forestry, carbon emissions and now health the differences between promises by the left and reality are startling.
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April 29, 2018 9:50am
- Harkman
  
  Nurses in schools what a dopey unaffordable scheme.
  
  These fools will give nurses a big fat pay rise and money for expensive drugs will simply not be there.
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:55am
  - niggly
    
    I thought there was a nationwide shortage of nurses?
    
    Does that mean Labour will bring in more immigrant nurses?
    
    Especially if nurses in hospitals are underpaid – one can’t imagine school nurses will be very well paid to work part time hours 8.30-3.30pm & be responsible for up to 1500 children in the larger schools i.e. what Kiwi nurses would want those jobs?
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:38am
    - GazzaW
      
      There are plenty of experienced Kiwi nurses with school aged kids sitting at home or working other jobs who would jump at the opportunity of working school term hours.
      
      Schools with 1500 pupils might need two nurses but conversely one nurse could manage two small schools.
      
      This isn’t just a public health issue – nurses could take over the responsibility from St Johns trained teachers for first aid and dealing with kids with allergies etc.
      
      A concept certainly worth exploring.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:22am
  - Viking2
    
    Used to have them a long time ago. Not silly to start looking after kids at school as they can detedct other issues as well.
    Lots of things don’t need a Dr. to fix and many nurses can sort these things.
    
    In general a dammed good idea.
    Not dissimilar the having Dental nurses at school.
    Eye checks used to be done and of course many of the earlier vaccines were administered at school. Way to get it done with minimum inconvenience to parents.
    Plenty of young ladies in their early puberty could use some help.
    
    all round great idea.
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:40am
    - holysheet
      
      Put them on the pill you mean?
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:49am
    - mikewasmild
      
      A better investment that Harkman’s stupid call to spend more on the most expensive drugs. Investment in primary care is always a guaranteed better return than investment tertiary or palliative treatments.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:57am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps Harkman but the most significant thing that Clark said to Red Dann was nurses pay equity has been “bumped” off the table for this next budget. It seems even after sweet cheeks promised them a bump in pay he has backpedalled to it being another promise that will take four (4) years. Has anybody else noticed that it is becoming a common fall back that so many promises are going to take four (4) years? Are the COL starting their next election campaign early? Is this the alternative to the drip-feeding of “underfunding” they were going to use? Or have they changed their strategy after the first two drips backfired?
    
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    April 29, 2018 4:57pm
oldpark

What an eye opener. Ancestry. .com . Have been caught selling the DNA base paid for by unsuspecting NZs who are interested in who or where they originate from. . Talk about our so called Privacy act being abused. Dosnt say much for Ancestry.com. Wonder when our so called holier than thou Privacy guard dog Commissioner John Edwards will come off the fence and issue a directive.He certainly put the boot into Facebook for a lot lesser privacy exposure of participants.
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April 29, 2018 10:20am
Graham Sharpe

Can some one clarify this please? Penny Bright refuses to pay rates, and now is a cause celebre as she faces forcible sale of the property to settle the debt. She is even supported by a former PM. If I refuse to pay taxes until I am happy with th way they are spent, will that former PM support me when IRD comes after me? I think not. What am I missing here?
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April 29, 2018 10:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What am I missing here?
  Are you a male?
  Are you white?
  Are you straight?
  Are you old?
  
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  April 29, 2018 10:29am
  - Viking2
    
    All of those I’d say.
    Oh and still a virgin at KB.
    
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    April 29, 2018 10:41am
  - Graham Sharpe
    
    Yes to all the above.
    
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    April 29, 2018 11:22am
    - realityczech
      
      “Yes to all the above.”
      
      ➡ HATE SPEECH ❗
      
      That should have come with the trigger warning for stupidboy and milky.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:34am
      - Happychappy
        
        Fuck thats the pot calling the kettle black, but why would we expect anything different from a bottom feeder like you.
        
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        April 29, 2018 11:48am
    - sooty
      
      Didn’t not so brights time run out on friday. So the tenders are all go again. Mind you they had three days to open them and decide who will purchase the hovel. We may have a result tomorrow.
      
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      April 29, 2018 11:38am
- realityczech
  
  Her offending has gone on for over a decade. She has shown no remorse and continues to manipulate low information people in order to portray herself as a victim. She is not a victim and no right minded informed person has any sympathy for this predator.
  
  20 Diversion Tactics Highly Manipulative Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths Use To Silence You
  
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  April 29, 2018 11:32am
  - Gentleman Bastard
    
    Basically publishing the tactics you use on others here. Not very smart of you Kea.
    
    Spend even ten minutes arguing with a toxic narcissist and you’ll find yourself wondering how the argument even began at all. You simply disagreed with them about their absurd claim that the sky is red and now your entire childhood, family, friends, career and lifestyle choices have come under attack. That is because your disagreement picked at their false belief that they are omnipotent and omniscient, resulting in a narcissistic injury.
    
    Malignant narcissists aren’t always intellectual masterminds – many of them are intellectually lazy. Rather than taking the time to carefully consider a different perspective, they generalize anything and everything you say, making blanket statements that don’t acknowledge the nuances in your argument or take into account the multiple perspectives you’ve paid homage to. Better yet, why not put a label on you that dismisses your perspective altogether?
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:04pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yawn, so predictable, even given your intellectual and moral limitations.
      
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      April 29, 2018 1:34pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Are you stealing my yawns? New spin on the term ‘oxygen thief’.
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:36pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        “Better yet, why not put a label on you that dismisses your perspective altogether?”
        
        Yawn, so predictable, even given your intellectual and moral limitations.
        
        Not very fucking smart are you?
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:21pm
    - holysheet
      
      Mrs Holy says you have described me to a T. She didn’t know we have actually met before. ⚡︎⚡︎
      
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      April 29, 2018 6:30pm
Holly Roggerz

The fact that simon bridges is on 10% should be a big wakeup call to national, running your own variant of Jacinda Ardern is not what the ‘masses’ of the party wanted and the wrong person won the leadership race….

A strong candidate would have been much closer to the parties base in the mid 40s, I believe Judith would have been able to rally that party base, instead they have this fella who is softening the party to go after the green votes….

And even if it works, and they push those two parties under 5% and get the majority, they have still failed to move NZ to the Right, and will have trouble getting back in, when those votes return to labour the election thereafter…

Typical short term thinking… Besides they will just either, A.) remove the 5% threshold or B.) give their partners guaranteed seats like ACT C.) allow 14 year olds to vote, then nationals entire plan is nullified…
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April 29, 2018 11:32am
- realityczech
  
  Yes, but I am hoping we are both wrong about that one.
  
  Given the pitiful performance of the coalition I would have expected any National leader to poll in the 20% + range just by default.
  
  The trouble is Nationals one-eyed fan boys will continue to support him just out of pure tribalism and attack those of us who point out the poll results are concerning.
  
  He is a smart guy and he might be planning to raise his profile and popularity closer to the election. Which is a valid strategy.
  
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  April 29, 2018 11:40am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    We have the absoloute strongest opposition in the history of NZ by number of seats, against the most incompetent and useless government in the history of NZ, their members picked by diversity quotas, their leader incapable of making any decision….
    
    The only policies they have are the policies of the unions, and radical policies of the green party, and they are the most useless and unpopular policies….
    
    And all those policies are bad policies, unpopular policies like shutting down the oil industry or spending ~23bn in auckland on public transport about ~70K per houshold, and increasing their rates 30% above current increases, charging upto ~$8 for a trip from albany to CBD (what I have heard is in the current plans) and putting a ~25cent tax per liter on fuel, as well as turning away car ships, and making it more difficult to get cars warranted and keep them on the road…
    
    This is a litteral war against cars and workers that they are waging, where the victims are the very core voter base of labour, they have litterally gone insane reality, their leader cant make a single decision she is that hopeless, she used to be a fish and chip shop worker before becoming a student politician (its just as bad as the venezuelan president having strong working class credentials as a bus driver), this is the perfect opportunity for national to steal and convert most of labours base….
    
    They should be walking all over them right about now, with pro-worker policies like bringing back apprenticeships, and reopening parks, restoring parking in parks and community centers, so that poor people who cant afford to live right next to them can have access to them…
    
    Hopefully they are saving it for closer to the election, but I don’t think so, I think that candidate was Judith Collins, and I think this game about pushing the minor parties under 5% is the Game Plan we have….
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:32pm
    - realityczech
      
      We have the absoloute strongest opposition in the history of NZ by number of seats, against the most incompetent and useless government in the history of NZ, their members picked by diversity quotas, their leader incapable of making any decision…. 10%
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:35pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        You crossed that out, yet it emphasizes the fact that 10% is a very bad showing.
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        Looks like we agree. We are in big trouble if Labour get another term.
        
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        April 29, 2018 2:15pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        and yet Bridges is polling 2x that of Winston, who will be PM in just a few weeks.
        
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        April 29, 2018 10:10pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      turning away car ships
      
      I, for one, am sceptical about those pesky scientists’ claims that a little stink bug or two could damage our primary industries…
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:45pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        I for one am skeptical that this has become an issue only with the Selection of the COL by Winston, after all they are at war with automobiles.
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:09pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Ok, here we have a stink bug truther. I wouldn’t have guessed that would be a thing, but one of charms of Kiwiblog is that nutcases are not shy to advance their entertaining theories.
        Thank you, Ann Elk:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs
        
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        April 29, 2018 1:17pm
    - brett68
      
      When National loses in 2020, Bridges will be replaced by Paula Bennett.
      
      Collins will then probably retire
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:57pm
- Happychappy
  
  We all have opinions but it doesn’t mean we are right, give the guy a chance.
  
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  April 29, 2018 11:44am
  - mikewasmild
    
    While you are giving him a chance, don’t forget to give his opponents no such chance.
    When does Judith Collins get the run she deserves? She’s wasted writing nonsense articles for pseudo-science magazines.
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:14pm
  - realityczech
    
    Happychappy, I see what you did there. It was a POLL RESULT not an “opinion”.
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:16pm
Classic Liberal

About the Poverdy the CoL is fixing:

Anyone hear Salvation Army this morning on NatRadio saying they have had more demand for food packages over the last six months than before? Apparently not just beneficiaries but people in employment.

The reason: increased living costs.
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April 29, 2018 12:12pm
- realityczech
  
  You just wait until the fuel tax kicks in. That really gets the inflation going right across the board.
  
  But by then the nasty little bag of bones would have spat out an over entitled brat and the media won’t care about all the other kids going hungry.
  
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  April 29, 2018 12:25pm
- kowtow
  
  “The reason: increased living costs”
  
  And yet we’re told there’s no inflation , someone’s telling porkies.
  
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  April 29, 2018 5:44pm
sooty

So Labour is up to eighty talkfeasts.
How much is that going to cost?
Where is the room to hold them?
How much do they get paid per day?
Are they been provided accommodation?
How many staffers to organise?
How many stenograhers to record this?
Travel to and from provencies. Taxis?
Steven Joyces hole just keeps getting bigger an bigger!
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April 29, 2018 12:26pm
- KiWombat
  
  Here’s what our 23 million dollars spent on Pike River recovery authority is buying us –
  
  https://www.pikeriverrecovery.govt.nz/dmsdocument/125-250418-pike-river-mine-work-schedule
  
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  April 29, 2018 3:47pm
Andrei

So WADA who do the drug testing in sport have put out their 2016 report on drug cheats

Very interesting, so interesting in fact that nobody seems to want to report it

Can you guess which countries had the most athletes caught for drug cheating?

Italy tops the table
with France in silver medal position
and USA gets the bronze
Australia just fails to medal
followed by Belgium
followed by India and only then comes Russia

2016 Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs)
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April 29, 2018 12:32pm
- Kimbo
  
  Italy tops the table
  with France in silver medal position
  and USA gets the bronze
  Australia just fails to medal
  followed by Belgium
  followed by India and only then comes Russia
  
  Just out of interest, how many of those Italians, Frenchmen and Belgians were in the non-Olympic non-international representation events of professional road cycling, especially the likes of the Tour de France? 😉
  
  Edi: And sure enough, with 13,372 Adverse Analytical Finding (AAFs), road cycling easily tops the list of offenders.
  
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  April 29, 2018 12:36pm
  - Andrei
    
    The report details the sports – 38 of the Italians in the hall of shame were cyclists
    
    Mind you just about the entire British cycling squad are asthmatics apparently and have theraputic exemptions to use steroid inhalers
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:44pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Well, pretending to be asthmatics seems an easier cheat than getting your government to fix the lab tests. Typical Soviet over-engineering.
      
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      April 29, 2018 12:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        milky seems to support Hilter’s view of the Russians. I can’t see any differences.
        
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        April 29, 2018 12:50pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Sorry, apologies, that was total samples taken. But AAF’s still follow the same pattern with Road Cycling dominating with 161, and of those some 96 were deemed to be Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs).
    
    Compare with Sprinting (93 and 39), Rugby (46 and 30)…and Weight Lifting (167 and 109). Or the world’s most popular sport Football (158 and 67). So that makes professional road cycling the most performance-enhancing-drug WADA-administered sport.
    
    So, no, no reason to throw Italy, France and Belgium out of the Olympics for what their independent professional cyclists get up to.
    
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    April 29, 2018 12:52pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Hey, don’t diss the Tour de France. And it’s most definitely international (though clearly non-Olympic, as is upcoming mens FIFA World Cup).
    
    And speaking of the TdF, I see Hayden Roulston is taking a group over to do the 1-day-before-TdF. They’re fundraising for mental health I believe.
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:22pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Hey, don’t diss the Tour de France.
      
      Far from it. The most watched live-spectator sports event in the world. And chemists rejoice at it! 😉
      
      And just out of interest, is your middle name “Yvette”, “Monique” or “Natalie”? 😉
      
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      April 29, 2018 1:27pm
      - Brigitte
        
        “And just out of interest” – sorry, my other christian name is my real life one so no clues given.
        
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        April 29, 2018 4:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough. No doubt I should have known you use a nom de guerre like all the other members of ze Resistance. ???
        
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        April 29, 2018 4:30pm
      - kowtow
        
        Indeed.
        
        A pharmacy on wheels.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:47pm
Kabull

Jordan Peterson continues to present himself as a sane realist. This short clip of him discussing the spread of social justice ideology is worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIOX1hVRE8Y
He notes that it is hard for social justice idiocy to spread into business and scientific education, which are based on economic or scientific principles. But the panel recognises that there is pressure for this to change. One of his guests says he has read a paper saying that ‘mathematics is whiteness – he didn’t know that maths could have a race!’
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April 29, 2018 12:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The “mathematics is whiteness” statement belongs to a Maths educator…. she wrote a book chapter about maths teaching.
  
  Commentary here:
  https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268238/mathematics-%E2%80%A6whiteness-jack-kerwick
  
  And another article on racist Maths teaching
  https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/racist-math-education/524199/
  
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  April 29, 2018 2:56pm
Hugh Pavletich

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has hit out at bad bankers – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=12041680

Malcolm Turnbull wants bankers and financial advisers to be forced to give plain language advice to their customers and have their conversations recorded.

The prime minister is angry and disappointed about revelations about banks and financial planners unearthed by the Hayne royal commission, saying there are too many cases where customers were not put first.

“Banks and financial advisers have a solemn duty to put the interests of their clients and customers first,” Turnbull told reporters in Sydney. … read more via hyperlink above ,,,
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Bill gives consumers a chance to ensure banks play ball | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/103403121/bill-gives-consumers-a-chance-to-ensure-banks-play-ball
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Access further information …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/weekend-reading-28-29-april-2018/#comment-3094778

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/general_debate_28_april_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2198313
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April 29, 2018 12:57pm
- Manolo
  
  Pinko Mr Turnbull may not be PM for long.
  
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  April 29, 2018 1:01pm
  - UpandComer
    
    He’s actually absolutely right.
    
    The Australian banks deserve to wear dunce gaps and be put into stocks.
    
    Corporate regulation in Australia is a joke. Corporate regulation is inherently a valid concept too.
    
    Malcolm is a disgusting pinko because he’s entirely appropriated by the ‘we’re victims until you can arrest parents who don’t raise their kids trannie’ crowd. He’s not pinko because he wants to subject banksters to the rule of law.
    
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    April 29, 2018 4:01pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/weekend-reading-28-29-april-2018/#comment-3095343
      
      … Essential viewing …
      
      … Australia’s corrupt political and commercial culture …
      
      Close Of Business | Program | Australia Plus TV … Australian Broadcasting Corporation
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4E0X-vgZMg
      
      Published on Apr 28, 2018
      
      Close of Business looks at financial planning, corporate governance and culture in the light of the Royal Commission. Nice to see the broader issues being explored!
      
      Take particular note of senior Australian businessman Geoff Cousins ( 12 minutes in ) scathing assessment of the sick culture.
      
      … Distribute & discuss WIDELY … thank you …
      
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      April 29, 2018 6:20pm
realityczech

This is just hilarious. Just look at the expressions 🙂

“Cry Closets” Installed on Campus, Tucker and Crazy Cathy REACT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEVK0YqpXS4
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April 29, 2018 12:59pm
rightoverlabour

Ouch, always was a bit suspicious of the gardening types… Wonder if there will be a #metwo (as in it’s in two now) movement over this

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/23/woman-says-cut-off-boyfriends-penis-with-garden-shears-because-leaked-sex-tape-reports-say.html
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April 29, 2018 1:09pm
Manolo

The primitives strike again:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5669323/Apology-indecent-images-women-shown-Saudi-Arabia-wrestling-event.html

Sport officials in Saudi Arabia have apologised after images of scantily clad women appeared on big screens during a world wrestling event that allowed women and children for the first time.
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April 29, 2018 1:09pm
- realityczech
  
  But of course you fanatically defend this when its orthodox jews. People who’s contempt for women is so great they refuse to sit next to one on a plane ride.
  
  Your fake concern is a facade for your religious bigotry and hate.
  
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  April 29, 2018 1:12pm
  - Manolo
    
    No, I don’t. Religious zealots deserve contempt.
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:27pm
    - realityczech
      
      “No, I don’t. Religious zealots deserve contempt.”
      
      Bimbo, take a leaf from Manolo’s book. He can simply say things are wrong in principle and does not have to craft sleazy long winded exceptions and special pleadings when challenged.
      
      Just as I can simply say “raping kids is not okay”. Period! I do not have to attack people who mention the crime, create diversions and straw men and try and get the person banned – because of the religious group of the offender. You see I think the rape of kids is the crime, not linking to an article from a Rabbi.
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:20pm
  - Kimbo
    
    But of course you fanatically defend this when its orthodox jews. People who’s contempt for women is so great they refuse to sit next to one on a plane ride.
    
    Care to tell us more of what others allege they get up to?
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:38pm
GoVege

Was reading a book on psycho-killers the other night and the author noted that a surprisingly high number of them were employed in “meat-works”.
Think about that, meat-eaters, while you’re chomping on your dead animals today.
You could be aiding and abetting murderers……
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April 29, 2018 1:11pm
- realityczech
  
  100% of Nazi leaders were vegetarian. They were also artists and very polite and considerate to women.
  
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  April 29, 2018 1:17pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    And not at all keen on wars of conquest or the mass murder of their perceived enemies…
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:19pm
  - GoVege
    
    Only briefly vegetarian RC, in order to be healthy enough to complete their evil plan for world conquest.
    And how many women did the briefly vege Nazi leader murder?
    To the nearest million please.
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:27pm
    - realityczech
      
      Sorry Vegans: Here’s How Meat-Eating Made Us Human
      
      As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it’s entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn’t even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are.
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:12pm
      - GoVege
        
        Bullsh*t, Rally.
        Just another desperate attempt by meat-eaters to justify their revolting eating habits!
        What’s so great about being “human” anyway.
        There’s a reason all other animals are scared of us, and it’s not just because we might eat them….
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:50pm
  - MCos
    
    I read the Autobiography of Diana Moseley. She found Adolf to be a very charming sort of a chap and refused to believe he was capable of the nasty shit attributed to him.
    This guy Kim Jing Un who everyone is currently enthusing over is, in reality, a cold hearted tyrant.
    So on and so forth . .
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:58pm
    - realityczech
      
      MCos, the reason North Korea is in such a pitiful state is their vegetarian diet. The people rarely get to eat animal meat. This causes serious, and often permanent, damage to the brain and nervous system, along with general decline in health.
      
      You only need to look around at the pallid scrawny soy boys sullenly moping around Wellington in a state of sexless perpetual angst and depression.
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:26pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        You really should stop describing yourself in such terms. Try to build some self esteem.
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:26pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        Hard for him to build self esteem when he’s constantly on his knees taking cock in the face Milky.
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s rubbish, RC.
        They’re in that state from lack of vegetables and being driven to cannibalism at times.
        And what about that close relation of ours…the gorilla?
        Got enough muscles for you?
        On a 100% vegetarian diet!
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:39pm
    - GoVege
      
      She would! (Diana Moseley.)
      The insane fascist b*tch….
      
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      April 29, 2018 3:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc , deluded buffoon!
    
    Like Psychoactive drugs ( Mass shootings) Vegetarianism does not mean causation ( the rise of the Nazis )
    
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    April 29, 2018 2:02pm
    - realityczech
      
      “does not mean causation”
      
      That was my point dimwit
      
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      April 29, 2018 2:08pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc , you mean this item of lunacy ?
        
        https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-05-every-mass-shooting-over-last-20-years-has-one-thing-in-common-and-it-isnt-guns.html
        
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        April 29, 2018 2:52pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Stop making sense, GoVege:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9SHDNAbPw
  
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  April 29, 2018 1:32pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  GoVege, I used to be a vegetarian and know all the pros and cons, but I find this psycho-killers argument rather weak.
  
  Usually I quite like your comments, so no offence.
  
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  April 29, 2018 1:34pm
  - Kimbo
    
    I’ve suggested the “correlation does not equal causation” explanation that is one of the corner stones of all social science research to GoVege when she posted the same argument recently
    
    …but the response back is that it is too many big words. 😉
    
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    April 29, 2018 1:37pm
    - GoVege
      
      Stop getting smart, Kimbo….too smart, that is. 🙂
      
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      April 29, 2018 3:11pm
      - Gentleman Bastard
        
        Kimbo is definitely overly bigly smart. The bigliest!
        #covfefe
        
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        April 29, 2018 3:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Says the guy who expanded his name from “Nev” to one that now encompasses five syllables and sounds like you are an Oxbridge graduate. ?
        
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        April 29, 2018 4:25pm
      - Mr Opinionated
        
        My actual profile name Kimbo that I have to log in under.
        7 syllables no less. 😀
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:15pm
      - Nine Toes Neville
        
        The actual name I used before I shortened it to Nev.
        Nev.
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:19pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Kimbo
      I’ve suggested the…”
      
      Yes but any reasonably informed person knows to ignore your pompous brain farts.
      
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      April 29, 2018 4:31pm
  - GoVege
    
    Thanks, CL.
    It is true though about meat-workers losing their inhibitions about killing humans through starting on animals.
    The book I recently read was “Murders Unspeakable: Fifteen horrific true crimes”.
    The author, Georgina Lloyd lists 10 indicators/symptoms (of nutty murderers) “taken from the case books of a number of distinguished doctors,psychologists and psychiatristsin the UK, Europe and the USA.
    #9: ….A surprising number choose to work as a butcher or in a slaughterhouse”…..
    
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    April 29, 2018 3:23pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      OK, yes I can see that inhibitions could be lost that way *if* someone was planning on murder. But a psycho revving up to kill humans could also kidnap neighbourhood pets, hunt, fish etc for the same purpose.
      
      What I don’t think is that a perfectly OK bloke, working in the demanding labour of a slaughterhouse, would suddenly start thinking ‘hm, maybe I’d like to do this to humans’.
      
      That’s where I think your line of thinking fails.
      
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      April 29, 2018 5:45pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        A bit charitable to call it a ‘line of thinking’…
        
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        April 29, 2018 5:47pm
      - GoVege
        
        CL: the reason I imagine that nutty killers would choose to work in a slaughterhouse would be so they can kill living creatures “legally”.
        Of course no normal person would think…”hey, I’d like to try this on humans”, but when you do some unpleasant task often enough, it usually has the effect of desensitizing you to similar activities.
        E. G: it is well known that soldiers are more likely to engage in domestic violence than other professions.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        That is because soldiers have to come home to an emotionally abusive self centered partner who thinks the world revolves around her.
        
        Most domestic violence, by men, is self defense from emotional abuse.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:44pm
      - GoVege
        
        Your misogyny is so over the top….you are hilarious, RC! 🙂
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        Vege you would be a lot happier with a man who puts you firmly in your place after a good feed of steak.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:35pm
MCos

All hail Prince Louie Louie
https://youtu.be/Xj_eTIfoBvY
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April 29, 2018 1:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  the real Louie Louie,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwdNdM-aDTs
  
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  April 29, 2018 2:55pm
- UpandComer
  
  Prince Louie better hope he doesn’t get a ‘neurodegenerative disease’.
  
  Otherwise, even if it costs the British system nothing, the nonces who comprise England’s ruling class will ensure he dies, just to send a lesson to the working class scum. ‘See, peons, we even murder our own to maintain our power’.
  
  What actually happened to Alfie Evans almost 100% is that the hospital misdiagnosed or otherwise mistreated Alfie. When Poland offered medical support the hospital bureaucrats realised actual medical professionals who observe the Hippocratic oath in Poland might notice their misdemeanours. Rather then let that happen, these vile creatues let a little baby expire for no reason at all, none, no reason, and then kissed themselves.
  
  I want to see the upper classes of the United Kingdom burning in my lifetime. Not because of economic issues, but because of their inhumanity to their own people. They know it too. Hence no sporks, no speech, no assembly, ‘part parcel’, and sudden lineage to Mohammad for their new preferred subjects.
  
  The United Kingdom is a laughing stock and a disgrace and they should be persona non grata to the rest of the Anglosphere. They are a population of degenerate pacifist dhimmis, collaborators, informers, and Quislings.
  
  It is a Police state, totally. That’s more and more clear. What do you choose UK, swift economic ruin and caliphate under Corbyn, but with some more civic freedoms from the Levy and Cohen families, or slower economic ruin and decline and caliphate under an even more politically correct iron fist under the abominable May.
  
  Thanks God I’m not British. Anything but be British. What a scummy bunch of ofay merchants. Kick them all out of New Zealand.
  
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  April 29, 2018 4:08pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    I agree. Kick all of the Europeans, Asians, Africans and Americans out of New Zealand. Leave Aotearoa for the tangata whenua and their descendants.
    I’m impressed with the speed with which you are picking up such progressive ideas.
    
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    April 29, 2018 4:16pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Actual LOL.
      
      I am getting close to declaring a man crush Mikewasmild.
      
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      April 29, 2018 4:55pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        You’re welcome. UpandComer has potential, but does not really think his ideas through.
        
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        April 29, 2018 4:59pm
    - UpandComer
      
      The Tangata Whenua ate all the actual Tangata Whenua. But we’re talking about England gratuitously and bravely murdering a baby, and otherwise being rampant undesirables.
      
      Your comment is a complete non-sequitur. You may as well have stated some music lyrics.
      
      I just don’t want British Quislings perverting our freedom of speech like they have back home.
      
      That has nothing to do with the value or otherwise of “Asians, Africans and Americans” in New Zealand.
      
      Consider this a civic nationalist position. These ‘British’ don’t ascribe to our values.
      
      I’d imagine anyone from those groups you’ve mentioned for some reason would look at how the English bravely murdered Alfie for no reason, gratuitously, when all the costs of his upkeep had been promised and agree with me.
      
      Mikewasmild, I’m impressed with your evolution. That is quite savage, wanting to kick all these people out. I’m sure you’re Maori too, otherwise it would be an incredible exemplar of martyrdom to your own principles. Good for you.
      
      I know, you can move to England – that will suit you.
      
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      April 29, 2018 7:00pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Ok, you are trying to slip out of this one by pretending that your farrago of nonsense makes sense.
        Let me stop you at your first point:
        
        The Tangata Whenua ate all the actual Tangata Whenua
        
        I can’t keep up with, or differentiate between, all the crazy ideas expressed on Kiwiblog, so I don’t know if you are from the ‘New Zealand was first settled by the the Celts/Phoenicians/Egyptians’ school or the ‘Maori ate the Moriori/Moa hunters’ school. Either way, or whatever paranoid version of NZ prehistory you have, you are into fractal wrongness.
        But thanks for playing.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:30pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The British People desperately needs another King Edward I with his Edict of Expulsion or they will be consigned to the dustbin of history like other ancient civilisations.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Haman the Agagite would be more your hero, I would have thought, EAD. As per the last words of your other hero, former Der Sturmer editor and Nuremberg war criminal Julius Streicher, when dragged kicking and screaming like a little bitch to the gallows,
        
        “Purimfest 1946!”
        
        Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy. ?
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:49pm
      - UpandComer
        
        What minorities do or think in NZ is irrelevant to the British government using police to ensure Alfie died. Deal with it.
        
        There is no farrago of nonsense. I’m just expressing a growing recognition of the reality of the social order in England.
        
        I do the need to deal with your comment about Maori because it has no relevance to anything in particular. Maori didn’t murder Alfie. Maori aren’t complicit in the rape of Rotherham. Maori aren’t sending police with sub machine guns to arrest people criticising the British government on social media. So Maori are fine. What are you on about.
        
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        April 30, 2018 12:11am
      - mikewasmild
        
        I’ll try to explain a little bit more clearly what I am ‘on about’.
        You prefaced your brain fart above with the comment that:
        The Tangata Whenua ate all the actual Tangata Whenua.
        I’m not interested in your ramblings about a medical decision in England. I am interested in pseudo-historical nonsense about New Zealand. Hence my questioning of your completely nonsensical opening statement. It does, however, lead to the obvious inference that if you are so wrong about such an elementary thing, you are more likely to be wrong about everything else.
        
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        April 30, 2018 7:42am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Are you Hone Harawera in disguise?
      
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      April 29, 2018 10:15pm
  - realityczech
    
    “They are a population of degenerate pacifist dhimmis, collaborators, informers, and Quislings.”
    
    You are being too kind to them.
    
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    April 29, 2018 5:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Meat and dairy essential
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/meat-is-crucial-to-balanced-diet-gove-tells-farmers
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April 29, 2018 3:40pm
- realityczech
  
  A man hating vegan nut job writes:
  
  “And what about that close relation of ours…the gorilla?
  Got enough muscles for you?
  On a 100% vegetarian diet!”
  
  Although gorillas don’t kill big animals, they regularly eat small animals (mainly insects).
  
  Chimps are our closer relative. Here is a some footage of them catching monkeys, tearing them apart alive and screaming and eating them.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_1UiTaIKPw
  
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  April 29, 2018 4:42pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Do they eat birds? Fly carefully Kea. We would hate to see a big angry primate chewing on your scrawny arse.
    
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    April 29, 2018 4:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      Awww C-mon, you just enjoy your Sunday dinner of soy paste and lentils with your wife – Bruce. He will understand your pain.
      
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      April 29, 2018 6:28pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Not sure they were alive and screaming while eaten, looked pretty dead to me. Are you worried they weren’t cooked in a nice satay with bamboo shoots?
        
        Oh Bruce says hi too. Surprised me actually, I thought he was still pissed at you for passing on those warts…
        
        Last thing… $50 bucks says you are a little soy bitch yourself.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:13pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bruce is all talk and only has eyes for you. Tell the little bitch to pull his head in.
        
        Give my $50 to a homeless guy so he can have a wee drink tonight.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:17pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Pulling his head in would have solved the issues with the warts now wouldn’t it… too late now.
        
        He reckons are a tofu eating sissy that couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag… I’ll keep the fitty for now. Save yours for buying me a soy latte in Cuba mall next month.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:27pm
      - realityczech
        
        See you guys at Scotty & Mal’s then.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:37pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Looks like a place you’d enjoy shaking your tail feathers, I’d be more comfortable around the corner at burger liquor, they do a mean Vegan Burger and organic craft beer.
        
        Bride (Bruce, fruadien slip) tells me you’ll be the guy, mid-fifties, balding, about 70kgs with no front teeth.
        
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        April 29, 2018 7:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bruce is a liar and a cock teasing slut. You need to keep him on a tighter leash. And I don’t mean the gimp outfit you guys got as a wedding present from the LGBQ community.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:00pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        The Cock teasing is between you too, you can sort it yourself.
        
        You haven’t contradicted his descriptions, so it is true. You just as big a bitch in real life as here…
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:13pm
  - GoVege
    
    Can’t you READ, RC?
    It says “animal matter”, in the form of insects only, constitutes less than 0.1% of their diet!
    And they probably only eat the said insects by accident along with their normal plant-only diet.
    BTW I do not hate dudes and I am vegequarian…..not vegan!!
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:48pm
    - realityczech
      
      Vege, so you got it that they are not vegan at all. They found the same with vegans in India. They get enough animal protein from bugs.
      
      So you can now supplement your diet of compost with some slugs and spiders.
      
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      April 29, 2018 9:02pm
  - GoVege
    
    Chimps are horrible sadistic animals, RC.
    Humans are more closely related to the gentler bonobo….thankfully.
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:57pm
nasska

I went to a vegan restaurant once.

Wait, no, that was just a florist.
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April 29, 2018 4:52pm
- mikewasmild
  
  I tried that too, but the chef was too tired to cook anything.
  
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  April 29, 2018 4:53pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Hahahaha!
  
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  April 29, 2018 6:46pm
stigie

Philu used to feed his dogs just vegetables, no meat, wonder if they are still alive..?
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April 29, 2018 5:18pm
- nasska
  
  Dogs can survive on a diet relatively high in carbohydrates although PhilU pushing his veganism was close to animal cruelty.
  
  Where it all comes unglued is with working dogs. They need protein & plenty of it to repair the tissues broken down & damaged.
  
  Mine were fed dog biscuits & mutton. They thrived.
  
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  April 29, 2018 5:33pm
  - realityczech
    
    “comes unglued is with working dogs”
    
    It always comes unglued when people are required to be top performers, just like for dogs.
    
    Being a fashionably pathetic soy eating vegan wimp is manageable if you work in IT or make coffee for a living in a big city.
    
    Also note the vegan generation has the lowest sperm count and testosterone levels in human history. Sperm counts are 60% of what they were in the 70’s and falling 1% a year! T-levels are those of a 80-100 year old man …. in our young men.
    
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    April 29, 2018 6:03pm
    - nasska
      
      I was still knocking up fences in my early 60s & you don’t dig strainer holes on a breakfast of muesli & weak coffee with almond milk! 🙂
      
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      April 29, 2018 6:18pm
      - realityczech
        
        Wander up Cuba St one Sunday arvo and see if any of the skinny soy boys want to earn a few $$$ digging strainer post holes and see how they go.
        
        WARNING: Make sure you tell them the fence is to keep the alt-right out of your organic free range kale patch. Under no circumstances tell them you are farming real food like cow and sheep.
        
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        April 29, 2018 6:23pm
      - Nev.
        
        Not a fan of IPA’s swigged from a jar cum glass by perfectly coiffured neckbeards RC?
        
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        April 29, 2018 6:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        Nev. Lost my taste for craft beers. They are technically pretty awful and often have bacteria and fermentation issues. They are over priced over rated and give you a crook tummy. Plus you end up drinking with a bunch of pretentious pricks.
        
        I should know given the heroic amounts of craft beers I have consumed.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:17pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Poor baby got a crook tummy ?
        
        Fucking blow hard loser
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Awww C-mon, does your wife Bruce know you are flirting with other men on the internet tonight?
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:26pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Other men? Just me and cuck here tonight it seems.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:35pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        I’m keeping an eye on AC tonight. We’re sharing decaffeinated soy lattes at the moment but will treat ourselves to a morsel of ciabatta topped with haloumi and a dusting of turmeric just before bedtime.
        
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        April 29, 2018 8:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    I spent years on farms in Wainuioru, on the slopes of the Haurangis from the 70s, and concur.
    
    Tux and mutton and fresh water.
    
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    April 29, 2018 8:06pm
    - nasska
      
      Missed your comment on Donalds Presses a few days ago Swifty. As Maggy’s link showed they folded in 1988 although I’d thought that they’d hung on longer than that. The products are still manufactured under the “Donalds” name but in Oamaru.
      
      The photo of their original Perry St address was interesting. That I think is now occupied by a firm reconditioning washing machines. Donald Presses moved from there in C1980 & occupied the old Rothmans factory building in Papawai Place.
      
      The Rothmans factory was built for them about 1974 by the government of the day trying to attract employers to the provinces.
      
      When the much needed ‘Rogernomics’ grenade hit Masterton it went off with a real bang.
      
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      April 29, 2018 8:25pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks nasska.
        
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        April 30, 2018 5:33am
  - GoVege
    
    My doggie lived 33% longer than the average for her breed on a vegetarian diet based mainly on potato….proving that vegetarianism works even for carnivores. 🙂
    
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    April 29, 2018 11:08pm
Nev.

There’s an eye opening documentary about to play on Al Jazeera at 6pm. “I knew Bin Laden”. If you haven’t seen it, it’s well worth a watch to witness the outright adoration from the Pakistanis of him.
Nev.
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April 29, 2018 5:42pm
Nev.

Michelle Wolf at the White House correspondents dinner which Trump eschewed, calls Sarah Huckabee Sanders a fat white bitch who kills people with her face, jokes about multiple abortions and completely obliterates any notion the left have any high ground to stand on. Even the mostly left leaning Trump haters in the audience could barely raise a chuckle at her “comedy”, and many looked embarrassed.
Incoming damage control from the Jewish media in 3, 2, 1….
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April 29, 2018 8:00pm
- mikewasmild
  
  But Sarah Sanders is hawt, man…
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:44pm
- realityczech
  
  I saw a “highlight” on Al Jazeera. Cringe worthy vile stuff.
  
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  April 29, 2018 8:48pm
Fletch

If you’re a glutton for punishment, you can watch David Seymour on Dancing With The Stars tomorrow on TV….
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April 29, 2018 8:15pm
- mikewasmild
  
  We all know that Suzy Cato will win, so why bother watching?
  
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  April 29, 2018 9:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh, Bad news over on Pete George’s blog.

https://yournz.org/2018/04/30/clinton-ticket-sales-struggling/
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