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holysheet

Stevie Wonder’s playing an intimate gig in a Japanese club. Before he starts he asks for any requests.
A little Japanese man at the front jumps up and down shouting “Pray a Jazz Chord! Pray a Jazz Chord!”
Impressed by the little man’s knowledge of his musical history and prowess, Stevie and the band crack into a 5 minute Jazz extravaganza in F#.
As they finish the little man is still jumping up and down shouting “Pray a Jazz Chord! Pray a Jazz Chord!”.
Perturbed but determined to impress, Stevie leads the band into another 5 minute jam in C minor. As they come to a close the little man shouts again “No! Pray a Jazz Chord!”
Pissed off at this point Stevie shouts at the little man telling him if he thinks he can do better to come up an play himself!
The little man climbs up on stage and sits at the piano, and as he starts to play he sings:
“A jazz chord, to say, I ruuuuv vouuuuu”

Now DO sing along because you WILL, and nothing you can do will stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGOgY1CmiU
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April 26, 2018 8:43am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Stevie Wonder had a housewarming party at his new home, and someone gave him a cheese grater as a gift. He told a friend later it was the most violent book he’d ever read.
  
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  April 26, 2018 8:52am
- Igotta Numbum
  
  Stevie Wonder went shopping, and when he was in the shop he started swinging his seeing-eye dog around and around by it’s leash.
  
  The horrified shop assistant asked what he was doing, and he replied “Oh, it’s OK, I’m just having a look around.”
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:09am
- Huevon
  
  I laughed.
  
  I shall turn myself in at Dame Susan’s office. Goodbye comrades.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:25am
  - Biscuit
    
    Click, click
    
    ‘Have I done it yet?’
    
    ‘No’
    
    Click, click
    
    ‘Have I done it yet?’
    
    ‘No!’
    
    ?
    
    Stevie Wonder trying to do his Rubik’s Cube…
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:14am
    - starboard
      
      Reporter interviewing Stevie Wonder..
      “Well Stevie, you certainly have had an extradinary career, many gold records, emmy awards, huge fan base.. Is there anything in particular that would top all of that?”
      “Well Dan, I can tell ya.. Im really happy that I’m not black..”
      
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      April 26, 2018 11:10am
    - pdm
      
      Droll Biscuit – Droll.
      
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      April 26, 2018 12:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    Devoy’s contract is up shortly – assume she will be re employed as nobody else could stuff a job us so well.
    
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    April 26, 2018 1:45pm
    - Viking2
      
      Doubt it Jacinda will find an even more useless socialist bludger with a bad attitude to pay more money to.
      
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      April 26, 2018 4:45pm
Dave Mann

Never mind ‘capitalism failing’. Democracy has failed.

In a well meaning attempt to include more voices in the democratic process our small but advanced little country in the Pacific introduced the MMP voting system.

The unforeseen result of this was the recent seizure of power by a group of ecomaniacs and crypto-communists riding on the back of a venal and drunken man who, with 8% of the vote, used his leverage to settle old scores and feather his nest.

Although dressed up as ‘democracy’ this is actually the way banana republics work, when a small group holds power in defiance of the bulk of the population, its traditions and its values.

This group is following the path of all banana republics with disastrous policies now being initiated by decree without forewarning or any sort of consultation with the people.

Democracy has failed.
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April 26, 2018 8:44am
- Colville
  
  Dave Mann.
  7% not 8.
  186,000 morons* voted for the charlatan.
  
  *morons because I am not allowed to call them cu*ts.
  
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  April 26, 2018 8:50am
  - skyblue
    
    Why can’t you call them cunts?
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:15am
    - Colville
      
      evidently DPF gets a nasty note from Google (I think, because of advertising?) if people use certain bad words.
      
      DPF…can you clarify?
      
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      April 26, 2018 10:13am
  - Dave Mann
    
    You’re correct. I was rounding up from 7.6%, but I see that it was only 7.2% in the final count.
    
    I didn’t vote for NZF but I think it’s a little unfair to brand them all as cunts, although that word certainly applies to their leader. Maybe morons would be a better description.
    
    Alarm bells have always warned me off NZF as the cunt Peters has often said that he wouldn’t reveal ‘who he will go with’ until after the election results are in. That has always been a bad sign of his untrustworthyness IMHO. By his own actions he has always shown that he’s only in it for his own gain.
    
    Anyway, 7% or 8%. Either way, its a disaster for our country.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:26am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Dave Mann and some 7,000 (0 .50%) voted for ACT of which half could be said to be rabid right losers like you?
      
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      April 26, 2018 9:41am
      - skyblue
        
        No Stephanie, they can be called net positive tax payers.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:49am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Fuck off Stephieboy. Even though National is a socialist party in drag, I voted two ticks blue.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:50am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Curmudgeons United, Not Taken Seriously. C.U.N.T.S.
      
      It’s a perfectly serviceable acronym.
      
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      April 26, 2018 9:51am
      - Piniwi
        
        @Right of Way when the class were asked to come up and write their favourite TV show on the blackboard it was all good until little Johnny wrote “Cunt”. The teacher did a double take and cautiously asked him to explain. He said “C unt miss” (meaning Sea Hunt) to which she breathed a sigh of relief and corrected the title. Kids say the darndest things.
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:34pm
- Random T Person
  
  Sorry to bring you up to speed here, Dave, but democracy has not failed when it doesn’t deliver the result you like. Let the term play out and then we can have another crack at the democratic process. The way these idiots are going, something tells me even more of the electorate might prefer the devil they knew, rather than the one they didn’t. After all, given the complexity of the modern state, and the multitude of interests of its people, no government is going to be ‘perfect’, and even if it were ‘perfect’ for one small part of the electorate, that very fact would make it imperfect for the rest of it.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:17am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I can see your point Random and I would normally agree with you…. except that in this case the government was not formed on ‘policy’, but rather on the venal machinations of a single man who had lost his own electorate seat and only got 7.2% party vote. He then appointed a cabal of fuckwits who clearly don’t have the interests of their own country at heart.
    
    These assholes are not even pretending to act democratically, as the recent O&G fiasco shows.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:42am
    - Random T Person
      
      They will pay the price for that through the usual democratic processes Dave. Give it time, they will hang themselves as they don’t know how to handle the lengths of rope which come with being in government.
      
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      April 26, 2018 9:57am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Time may not be a luxury that we have, though, sadly.
        
        Most NZ governments have had at least 2 terms and it’s rare for a government to be voted out after only one term. Agreed, the circumstances of this ‘government’ are unusual…. but just think of the damage they can do in 6 years if they carry on at this rate?
        
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        April 26, 2018 10:11am
      - ex-golfer
        
        I wouldn’t count on it.
        As shown in the recent polls, the support for the combined CoL vote has not really shifted and National continues to be well below the required vote, with no friends.
        
        This rabble will hold on to power for everything it will take – despite the many differences between their three parties. They will each swallow dead rats to keep the coalition together.
        
        Power provides benefits – and the trough is deep.
        
        The only thing I can see saving NZ is if either the Greens or NZF fall below the 5% threshold on election day – although if this is looking likely then Labour will counter it by gifting NZF an electorate seat, thereby maintaining the balance of MMP power.
        
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        April 26, 2018 10:52am
- JasonJohns
  
  If we accept Dave’s points that democracy has failed and the nation is in peril then the question of the NZDF arises. Aren’t they supposed to protect the nation? And if there is a communist dictatorship in power isn’t an intervention justified?
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:24am
  - VicParking
    
    No because one of the first steps in the fall of democracy is to politicise the military and Allow the “Generals” to be MP’s. You start this off my using the Military as a vehicle and tool of control. Ronair for example. Small steps
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:32am
  - Random T Person
    
    I think someone just jumped the shark.
    I remember reading the leftie blogs at the height of the Key government, and how they were all going on about ‘civil war’ in one of the most peaceful democracies on the face of the planet. Speaking of faces, those comments and this one, JasonJohns, made me apply a palm to mine.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:35am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Hey Jason. You’re living in a fantasy world, mate.
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:29am
  - realityczech
    
    JJ, the Army and Police are sworn to serve the government. Not the people. This means they will carry out the orders of who is in power.
    
    History has shown that a countries police and army will carry out atrocities when called upon to do so. The only reason police and soldiers are not taking people off to gulags and torture chambers in New Zealand is simply because no one has asked them to. You are dreaming if you think the people wearing costumes and carrying guns are there to protect you.
    
    You might want to also ponder that much of the army is staffed by Maori and might not side with you even if they did break ranks.
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:50pm
Inandout

Toronto and London incidents remind us that ‘people kill people’, not guns, vans, cars, bombs or knives. Thank you Leighton for reminding us of that.
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April 26, 2018 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  Inandout , rubbish. Do eg Bazookas kill people or is it, soldiers?
  
  Does Leighton believe we should not have not gun regulation at all?Or no road safety regulations etc .
  
  Sheer idiocy!
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:06am
  - Inandout
    
    In your small mind you can only concentrate on wars and Snack Bars, but most of us live in a world that has those weapons I mentioned. The mere mention of Leighton incites you to respond; sad.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:15am
    - stephieboy
      
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      No nothing to do with Leighton Smith but more his fallacious and silly arguments. You too for swallowing them whole.
      
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      April 26, 2018 9:33am
      - cmm
        
        Your meds are in the round tube with the boring packaging.
        
        The stuff in the box with the shiny packaging are M&Ms.
        
        Don’t get them confused.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:56am
  - cmm
    
    Gun regulations, fine. I’m a gun owner and I support some level of gun regulation.
    
    But tightening up on the generally law abiding people that own guns legally is not going to stop the crims who own guns illegally.
    
    Anyway there’s not much point in there being more laws if the cops don’t use the existing laws properly.
    
    All more laws do is impinge on the law abiding, not the crims.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:54am
  - dime
    
    “Bazookas kill people or is it, soldiers?”
    
    umm soldiers.
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:07am
    - dime
      
      that nicky hagar bullshit about the SAS.
      
      if its found that they killed some villagers – do we court martial their guns?
      
      will the SAS boys testify against their guns? :O
      
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      April 26, 2018 10:26am
holysheet

Wouldn’t it be karma if the drunken dwarf attained the one bauble he has always wanted, only to become the 6th one to do what Norman Kirk did.
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April 26, 2018 8:46am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I suspect it is more likely to be a lung or liver problem than karma.
  
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  April 26, 2018 8:58am
  - RalphT
    
    Karma would be a great name for a whisky; “nah, it wasn’t drink that got him, just karma”
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:44am
  - namron
    
    My fear is a knighthood in the Queen’s Birthday
    honours!
    namron
    
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    April 26, 2018 11:53am
Keeping Stock

Cross-posted from the previous post; here’s the link to Newshub’s poll this morning which currently has 43% of the 4800 respondents rating Labour’s performance so far as “Awful”. That’s in addition to the 21% of respondents who have selected “Bad”.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/04/poll-how-do-you-rate-the-government-s-first-six-months-in-office.html
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April 26, 2018 8:47am
- Colville
  
  64% bad/awful 36% ok/great.
  
  So a net -28% approval rating?? and this is from a leftist aligned site!! holy fuck what would the unbiased numbers be like?
  
  LOL.
  
  Even Trump does better than that!!
  
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  April 26, 2018 8:54am
  - VicParking
    
    Awful now 41%
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:34am
    - Colville
      
      the leftie troll army has awoken to soften the result?
      
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      April 26, 2018 10:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  Some Liebour sycophant reckons the “Awful” poll result is due to all the Liebour voters being at work and not able to watch TV.
  Always someone with an excuse for this useless CoL.
  
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  April 26, 2018 8:58am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    >due to all the Liebour voters being at work
    LOL. I needed that belly laugh.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:00am
  - skyblue
    
    Not quite. It is Thursday, bene day. They are all queing up to get their hard earned money. They will be home at 10pm and vote after going to the pub.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:18am
    - VicParking
      
      It hits their bank accounts at 10:00 pm last night. You only have to drive past ATMs at that time to see the queues forming.
      
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      April 26, 2018 9:37am
    - Piniwi
      
      No skyblue bene day is Tuesday thus to be available Tuesday at the ATM it is available after midnight Monday. (Banks update accounts at midnight) It is also why when a public holiday falls on a Monday benefits are paid earlier on the Friday or in the case of Easter the Thursday.
      
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      April 26, 2018 1:39pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Not the teachers then?
    They aren’t at school yet.
    Best paid part time job in NZ.
    
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    April 26, 2018 7:46pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  there is also a stuff poll with vaguely similar results
  
  Horrible, Poor and Average make up 66%. Even Average and Poor make up 50%
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103393891/six-months-on-the-job-for-the-government–who-is-up-and-who-is-down
  
  Of course stuff are talking shit in their minister rankings…. FFS read some of the rankings, Shane Porno Jones 8/10? WinstonPol Pot 7/10? They got Kelvin Davis and Curran about right.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:50pm
Maxx

Looking forward to the next ANZ business confidence survey. Should be interesting to see how much it’s gone down following the O&G announcement.

From people I’ve talked to they’re holding off planned investments now, instead holding those funds and considering funnelling them to allow for a downturn. Always a problem when business feels like a downturn is coming in the economy and hence being negative on the prospects of their own business, and not just the wider economy.
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April 26, 2018 8:48am
- cmm
  
  It depends which industry they ask.
  
  The consultant industry will be in clover. Dell are selling lots of new laptops. Microsoft will be selling lots of PowerPoint licenses. Brother will be selling lots of colour laser printers.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:59am
- rockape
  
  Just look at the fall in the NZ Dollar!
  
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  April 26, 2018 5:44pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  After this “Transport” announcement.
  They won’t get any taxi drivers to vote for them.
  Though demographics for airport shuttle bus drivers may be worse….another industry killed of.
  
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  April 26, 2018 7:49pm
DifferentPerspective

Streisand effect x10 by the gun control whiners

Hilariously, the NRA is having a fantastic year. They’re getting the best publicity possible from the libtard attack on them and on the second amendment. Funny how socialists in history used to like surounding themselves with children when they were taking away rights

The NRA broke it’s 15 year fund-raising record in March.

Once again libtard vacuous virtue-signalling achieves exactly the opposite effect to the one desired. The NRA is stronger and in a better position than it’s been for years.

Just like Jacinda’s oil and gas ban virtue-signal will increase CO2 emissions and make NZers poorer.
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April 26, 2018 8:49am
- stephieboy
  
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  DP, so we should follow in the footsteps of the NRA with wholesale gun deregulation? ( that also allows the mentally ill the right to bear arms )
  
  More idiocy!
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:13am
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie, Morning, you dont have to comment about. Your post at the end of it. I do however agree with those comments Sheer idiocy and more idiocy ??
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:43am
  - Sideoiler
    
    DP, so we should follow in the footsteps of the NRA with wholesale gun deregulation? ( that also allows the mentally ill the right to bear arms )
    
    You really have no idea at all, Do you?
    
    The NRA does not regulate or deregulate.
    They are a lobby group and a very efective one.
    
    Americans have long understood that regulation no matter how reasonable it seems is just the thin end of the wedge, they resist it and rightly so.
    Various Fedral and state laws prohibit the possesion of firearms by the mentally ill.
    
    http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      sideoiler, yes your Right that the NRA is a powerful gun lobbyist that spends a great deal of money ensuring guns are either lightly of non regulated.
      
      The President attempted like his predecessor tried to regulate the mentally ill bearing arms and failed.Other changes too and failed. The NRA made sure of that.
      
      Do you believe the mentally ill are protected and should be protected by the 2nd amendment?
      
      Please explain why NZ, Australia, Canada etc don’t have mass school (Parklands, Sandy Hook etc ) and other shootings? ( Las Vegas, Orlando etc )
      
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      April 26, 2018 10:06am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Study the information in the link.
        
        Do you believe the mentally ill are protected and should be protected by the 2nd amendment?
        
        What I believe is neither here nor there, possesion of firearms by the mentally ill is prohibited by state and fedral law.
        
        Please explain why NZ, Australia, Canada etc don’t have mass school (Parklands, Sandy Hook etc ) and other shootings? ( Las Vegas, Orlando etc )
        
        I would think our reluctance to prescribe psychotropic drugs at the drop of a hat has a lot to do with it.
        We also do a better job of taking care of our mentally ill.
        https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
        While school shootings in NZ Australia and Canada are less common, mass shootings are not a rare or recent phenomenon.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_New_Zealand
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Canada
        
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        April 26, 2018 11:19am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Please explain why NZ, Australia, Canada etc don’t have mass school … and other shootings?
        
        You have asked that question with its underlying presumption before. Well, I think NZ, Australia and Canada on a per capita basis punch above their weight:
        
        Aramoana
        Port Arthur
        RSA Panmure
        Raurimu Rampage
        Ashburton Work and Income
        Brampton Centennial Secondary School shooting
        Stanley Graham
        2009 Napier siege
        Noema Rika massacre
        École Polytechnique massacre
        2014 Moncton shootings
        Les Racines de vie Montessori
        Penticton Reserve Shooting
        Concordia University massacre
        Central Coast massacre
        Monash University shooting
        Wedderburn shooting
        Sydney Siege
        
        And that’s not an exhaustive list.
        
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        April 26, 2018 11:27am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Forgot to address this little gem.
        
        ……the NRA is a powerful gun lobbyist that spends a great deal of money ensuring guns are either lightly of non regulated.
        
        The US has more laws regulating the use of firearms than any other country, of ALL the laws on the US statute books the largest percentage pertain to the regulation and control of firearms
        
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        April 26, 2018 11:34am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Prick, here’s a lit of US massacres . Austrlaia, NZ etc pale in comparison ,
        
        Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2017 ( excludes the recent Parklands )
        
        http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages
        
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        April 26, 2018 3:07pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy…
        
        FACTOID: If you took out the murders committed by blacks, the murder rate in the USA is comparable to that in many Scandinavian countries ( though that is rapidly changing as they are over run by blacks themselves)
        
        The people least likely to commit murder are the bible reading gun toting rural folk. The ones most likely are urban black young men.
        
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        April 26, 2018 3:17pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        No, your question was premised on New Zealand, Australia and Canada not having had mass shootings. We and they clearly have had them. I see you want to make it about relativity now. If you are going to do that, the it ought to be per capita as I mentioned above, to be a relevant comparsion.
        
        Leftie debate:
        1 Leftie states something that is wrong but suits his narrative.
        2. Rightie points to facts that refutes the leftie’s statement.
        3. Leftie goes away for half a day, returns and re-frames the debate to better suit his narrative.
        4. Rinse and repeat.
        5. Rightie can’t really be bothered with the idiot anymore.
        
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        April 26, 2018 3:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        RP – yes and he does it time and time again.
        
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        April 26, 2018 3:48pm
    - stephieboy
      
      sideoiler,
      
      The US has more laws regulating the use of firearms than any other country, of ALL the laws on the US statute books the largest percentage pertains to the regulation and control of firearms
      
      Utter bollox!
      
      Examples? And compared to our regulations and laws like Arms Act and Police licencing system. ?
      
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      April 26, 2018 3:15pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        ……..Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2017 ( excludes the recent Parklands )
        
        The list also excludes Ruby Ridge and Waco.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
        
        Examples? And compared to our regulations and laws like Arms Act and Police licencing system. ?
        
        Many states have a licencing/ permitting system California, New Jersey, New York to name but a few.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
        
        You should also note that those states with the more restrictive requirements have higher rates of gun crime.
        
        I suggest you read the information in the lower link carefully as the information in the check boxes is further qualified in the longer texts.
        
        I could also recommend the NRA, ATF, FBI, CIA and the US bureau of statistics web sites.
        
        Utter bollox!
        
        Denial does not change the facts, excellent debating skills by the way.
        
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        April 26, 2018 4:00pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    As usual you missed the point SB.
    
    And the point is virtue-signalling is retarded. It almost always achieves the opposite effect desired.
    
    On the other hand, I do understand the words “shall not be infringed” when written in a constitutional document. And because I am at heart a believer in constitutional democracy I believe (unlike libtards) it is of vital importance to uphold and retain rights. Especially when under attack from socialists (the Jews in 1930s Germany, the Russians under Stalin, the Chinese under Mao, Cambodians under Pol Pot died in their millions once socialist government instituted gun control).
    
    I’m more concerned about how soon we’re going to institute a complete and total ban on assault lorries and assault vans. Equally as 13000 US youngsters die every year due to texting when driving I’m keen to see how the ban on assault cellphones is picked up by libtards as they will if they’re serious about saving young lives. Nah? Didn’t think so!
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      DP, I did not miss the point Our arms control system would be considered in breach of the 2nd Amendment by the NRA and oppressive.
      
      I see so you believe in that stupid argument that if Nazi Germany’s jews had 2nd Amendment protections that would have stopped the Holocaust and even WW2?
      
      Sheesh!!
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/01/republican-gun-control-holocaust-jews-not-armed-don-young
      
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      April 26, 2018 3:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy, the horrors of world war two were carried out by the government – the very people you say we should give our guns to.
        
        You have the same views about gun control as Hitler did. He was also a socialist just like you.
        
        Funny that.
        
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        April 26, 2018 3:30pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        You continue to ignore the key point, while denying that ignore the key point 🙂
        
        Ah well. However, your comment is valuable as it confirms you utter disregard for constitutionally enshrined rights. Let’s ignore the stupid Maori version of the Treaty of Waitangi then shall we? It really makes no sense when put beside the English version, which was the only version that Wikitoria would’ve signed up to. Sure, sure it throws away a heap of constitutional rights enjoyed by tangata whenua but you don’t care about that if your feelingz make you believe in some nonsense that isn’t borne out by the facts. Imagine how much easier it would be to create a totalitarian socialist state if you got rid of all those inconvenient little constitutional rights. No more freedom of speech, no more rights to a fair trial, no more protection from unfair searches, no more rights to avoid self-incrimination – next step 1930s Germany or Soviet Russia or the joys of a cultural revolution all those joyous murders that the socialists could enjoy!
        
        It’s a key plank of the Alinsky playbook that dominates modern socialists’ approach to everything:
        “- Disarm the populace. A disarmed population is much easier to control. ”
        
        How come it’s only the libtards that go hard after gun control? Coincidence?
        
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        April 26, 2018 4:49pm
- VicParking
  
  Saw a Video of a NRA redneck blowing up a chilli bin. They were trying to film it but nobody new how to zoom in the camera on the phone they were using.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:40am
  - realityczech
    
    Saw a video of a violent black running around the streets with a pistol, even threatening women and their kids as they walked by. The alt-left lied and said he was unarmed when police shot him. Trouble is there is cctv footage of him.
    
    Enough from me, see for yourself…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtyvLQ3DunE
    
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    April 26, 2018 3:36pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “In Chicago, 137 people have been killed this year. That is 44 fewer than 2017″….chicago tribune, April 2018
      and they are bragging.
      How many mass shootings do we have to add together, to get this number, that happens year in year out.
      
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      April 26, 2018 7:59pm
waikatogirl

English educationalists have deemed the solution to school children not being able to read ordinary analogue wall clocks is to remove them. ⏱

This is the dumbing down of education, the world-wide Marxist movement don’t want anyone thinking for themselves.??
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April 26, 2018 8:53am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  It’s too hard. Digital says 6.50am. To read analogue means some math to work out it’s 10 to 7.
  But hey, it’s a school, why not teach them? Secretly I think it’s the teachers who can not read analogue
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:18am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  waikatogirl , more fairy and fancy tales from the alt-right front?
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No dipstick, my kid is 9 and in year 5. He has not been taught how to tell the time at school and still does not know how to tell the time properly. A friend’s child, age 10 and in year 6 is the same. Seems the current curriculum does not include learning to tell the time or using analogue clocks.
    
    I started school in 1966 and learned to tell the time while in the Primers (2nd year).
    
    Not alt-right fantasy, modern reality.
    
    You should stop smelling Chippy’s policy by-products.
    
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    April 26, 2018 12:48pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      According to the NZ Maths syllabus, kids should be introduced to Time and its measurement in Years 4 and 5 (Levels 2 & 3 of the NZ Curriculum). So a 9-10 year old should not only know how to read the time from analogue clocks, they should be able to perform some time calculations.
      
      https://nzmaths.co.nz/sites/default/files/images/NZC_Mathematics_Standards_for_years_1-8_poster.pdf
      
      https://nzmaths.co.nz/resource/clock-wise
      
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      April 26, 2018 2:48pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Maggot, thx. It shows how much the curriculum has been watered down over the years, when telling the time is not taught until year 5. As I say, I learned to tell the time in the Primers, because my parents wouldn’t give me a watch until I could & I got my first watch when I was 7 (Standard 1). Begs the question, what do they cover in maths for the first 4 years at school?
        
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        April 26, 2018 4:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yeah,
        I got my first (hand-me-down) watch at 7.
        I’m sure my brothers got theirs around the same age.
        
        One of my literacy boys (age 13) was sporting a most impressive digital watch… when I had a closer look, I told him that he hadn’t put the watch ahead for Daylight saving.
        He asked me to do it for him…
        I pointed to the analogue clock above us, checked my analogue watch and told him that the clock was correct and he could do it himself.
        He told me that he couldn’t read the clock….
        I told him I didn’t know which buttons to press on his watch to set the time.
        His watch remained on the wrong time.
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy, generation Z have had enough of virtue signalling intellectual cripples like you and are said to be the most conservative generation since world war 2. Many will be voting next time Trump wins again.
    
    Your imaginary “alt right” marks you as a stupid old fossil unable to keep up with the modern world.
    
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    April 26, 2018 3:07pm
- peterwn
  
  So if the kids visit Oz, they would find the scene outside Flinders Street Station incomprehensible.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:40am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Or Big Ben.
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:24am
    - peterwn
      
      Big Ben has only four faces all hopefully showing the same time, there are nine clock faces outside Flinders St Station all showing different times.
      
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      April 26, 2018 10:36am
      - waikatogirl
        
        You win! ?
        
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        April 26, 2018 10:59am
  - Komata
    
    PW
    
    Recent and casual on-the-spot observation suggests that that is already the case…
    
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    April 26, 2018 12:30pm
hullkiwi

Seems Motor mouth Jones has got a new target, the Public Service.

Yes, we know it can be bad, & it is not always as apolitical as we are led to believe, but Jones (in Fairfax & on radio) is giving the message that the bureaucracy are impeding his regional splashing of cash projects. His solution, appoint his own Departmental CEOs to kick butt.

He highlights the problem of the speed to build roads. Just because he has a pot of money, doesn’t mean he can avoid the RMA & due diligence in processes.

Jones looks like a loose cannon that is going to keep on giving.
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April 26, 2018 8:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  He’s not helped by his pompous and arrogant oratory. Every time I hear him I can only imagine him reclining after popping a DVD in.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:03am
- KevOB
  
  Typical Polynesian Chief–frustration is not tolerable.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:40am
Happychappy

Has Winston decided this will be his last year or is Shane Jones getting ahead of himself when saying I want to fight a election on who should have the most power when making decisions the Ministry or the Minister of the Crown. I wouldn’t have thought he had a argument after porngate but he obviously thinks the voter forgets slip ups like that.
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April 26, 2018 9:00am
- KevOB
  
  NZ is not governed whakamaori.
  Is Shane making an internal power play for his position in the far North.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:41am
dcrane

An essay by former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter on the poor nature of the “intelligence” used to justify the recent attack on Syria.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/a-shocking-lack-of-intelligence-in-our-missile-strike-on-syria/
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April 26, 2018 9:00am
- Andrei
  
  This has to be one of the more bizarre incidents of our time
  
  Three flailing leaders of the West put on a 100+ million dollar fireworks display over Syria to distract their peasantry at home
  
  In the USA a washed up pornstar is telling all on talk shows about having sex with the President a decade ago, while the FBI raids said presidents lawyers office
  
  In the formerly Great Britain a woman notable only for her plain looks and mediocrity wants to distract the public from her disasterous “Brexit” negotiations – a task she undertook despite being against Brexit
  
  And in Paris the President is railing against a very dubious gas attack allegedly by the Syrian Government while gassing students at the Sorbonne…
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:32am
Manolo

The mullahs are angry:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-s-rouhani-insults-trump-nuclear-deal-hangs-balance-n868921

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Wednesday dismissed Donald Trump as unqualified to deal with important international issues amid U.S. threats to potentially walk away from the landmark nuclear deal with Tehran.
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April 26, 2018 9:09am
Odakyu-sen

The US 10-year treasury bond has breached the 3.00% mark and is rising.
Could this mark the rounding off of the general decline in interest rates that began in the mid-1980s? Or is it a recovery from the abnormally low period brought on by the crisis of 2007?

See the graph from 1954 to the present.
Ref: https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=US10Y
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April 26, 2018 9:12am
- KevOB
  
  More is to come. Money printing cannot continue for ever.
  The GFC is emerging. The expected acceleration is showing. The govt won’t run out of ideas but they will run out of money.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:46am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Reminds me of an old QE joke.
    
    Mr. A: “The government has been pouring so much money into QE, Mr. B. Will we ever see it again?”
    Mr. B: “Yes. In wheelbarrows.”
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:44pm
    - KevOB
      
      If Poohbar doesn’t brush on economics we could see that here.
      
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      April 26, 2018 5:59pm
timmydevo

I get mould in my house. It does get damp. But… here’s the clincher… I get a cloth, some spray’n’wipe and CLEAN it off the surfaces! That way, it’s gone before it gets too bad! I also open a window to ventilate on better days.
WOW!
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April 26, 2018 9:20am
- Keeping Stock
  
  That’s absolute genius timmydevo. You should write to the Minister of Housing offering to convene a working group (you could call the group Exit Mould, or something similar), then charge like a wounded bull for your intellectual property 😀
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:24am
  - skyblue
    
    In honor of the men who got the ladies in the shit it should be called the ‘Spray and Walk Away’ action.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:34am
- waikatogirl
  
  We had bad mould in a rental we were in many years ago. A mitsubishi dehumidifier sucked out all the moisture and sorted the problem. It also has a laundry setting on it which is awesome if you don’t have a drier.
  
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  April 26, 2018 10:02am
  - Lance
    
    Also the laundry setting is cheaper to dry clothes with than a drier, but it takes longer.
    
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    April 26, 2018 11:52am
- srylands
  
  Look you are right. Tenants could do a lot more to help themselves with avoiding mould.
  
  Having said that, some New Zealand houses seem badly designed. And the climate doesn’t help.
  
  I lived in a rental where the built in wardrobe was in an external wall. So the wardrobe became freezing. Mould would form all over the clothes and the back of the wardrobe. Condensation was running down the wardrobe. My shoes went green. It was simply a spectacular design flaw.
  
  I tried everything. The mould returned as fast as I could get rid of it. I had to leave. Landlord refused to acknowledge the problem.
  
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  April 26, 2018 2:39pm
JasonJohns

There was a ruthless pack attack on the great David Garrett yesterday at KB. I hope this attack won’t be repeated. Garrett is a white lion. Sometimes white lions are attacked by hyenas.
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April 26, 2018 9:22am
- Keeping Stock
  
  What the fuck has that got to do with anything Stephie? By all means attack Garrett’s argument, but leave his wife and family out of it.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:40am
  - stephieboy
    
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    KS , Jason Johns has made it abundantly clear his views on those who are non-white.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:49am
  - MCos
    
    You must be new around here . . . .
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:52am
- Manolo
  
  An unwarranted and vile attack on DG.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:17am
- Kimbo
  
  Depends, JJ. Teach the great white lion to use his supposedly shit-hot lawyering skills to read properly and carefully, especially before he counsels others to do the same…and he won’t end up like a moth-eaten lion skin rug. 😉
  
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  April 26, 2018 2:01pm
Holly Roggerz

Now anecodetally it may seem like the crime rate is higher, number of reports in the media about dairy roberies, train taggings, report over ever more braisen criminality, courts fully booked out, corruption at the top which appears to go unprosecuted and the fact that the average criminal has 42 violent convinctions before getting to prison, but honest to god, the politicans tell us we have less crime than ever!!!

And these are all labour, national, greens, even winston peters honourable people! They are our rulers and they would never lie to us! So what I am suggesting, since what they say is the truth (even if their response calling for more policemen and more prisons runs contradictory to that truth) is to signifcantly reduce the numbers of policemen, the numbers of judges, to shut down smaller courts and police stations, because clearly with crime at such a low level and declining at such a rate, there is now no longer a need for this many policemen and judges!

After the initial downsizing of say 50% I suggest that they draw straws each year (since crime rates are continuing to fall), and the 10th straw or whatever ratio gets fired, you know make a game of it and all, but in a fair way!
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April 26, 2018 9:29am
- MCos
  
  Damned annoying when the facts don’t suit your agenda.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:13am
Random T Person

How come our news media are all agog because some idiot known for doing idiotic things had the sort of accident idiotic young men are all too prone to having? They glorified this fool with his ‘stunts’, now we are all expected to be drop lip when the inevitable happens?
Motorbikes are dangerous, kids. Pay them the utmost respect or pay the ultimate price.
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April 26, 2018 9:30am
MCos

The Warriors got their beans last night. I gave up watching at half time. They’ve only lost twice, but when they have they don’t muck around!
One doesn’t like to make excuses, but it must be a burden ducking back & forth across to Oz all the time.
Lord knows, it’s hard enough to stay awake until eleven pm to watch their games without leaving my house!
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April 26, 2018 9:37am
- VicParking
  
  Better quality coke in Aus.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:50am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  You made it to half time? You did better than I did. I went to bed, had to work in the morning!
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:54am
- Colville
  
  Yeah the Warriors are going to teach the Blues how to be a champion team.
  
  *Tui Ad*
  
  What is the best result the Warriors have had in their 20 odd year history?
  
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  April 26, 2018 10:25am
Rich Prick

No laughing folks, but yes, there is such a thing as period poverty.

Times must be tough when the sistas can’t rub 27 cents together to take care of their sanitary needs. That, or we’re being softened up for a bit of identity charity:

Finance Minister Grant Robertson announced a new working tax group which he said could possibly consider removing GST from women’s products.

That’s right, the tax working group is considering about a 3.5c tax cut for the sistas.
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April 26, 2018 9:51am
- Huevon
  
  There is stiff competition for the title of Most Retarded Initiative of the Ardern Coalition Government, but I think we have a winner here.
  
  What about my Facial Hair Poverty? or Underarm Body Odour Poverty? or Talc for Those With Sweaty Balls Poverty?
  
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  April 26, 2018 10:04am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    And ‘the fact that the average male needs more calories than the average woman poverty’?
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:37am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Poverty makes you put on weight apparently.
      (Gender becomes indecipherable and effectively meaningless)
      
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      April 26, 2018 12:04pm
- KevOB
  
  That could cost several miilion in mods to GST accounting in POS and other systems.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:51am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Sock or facial tissues ?
  I know which makeshift idea I’d rather try first.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:02pm
waikatogirl

Did everyone see the bro-love between Macron and Trump during Macron’s visit to the Whitehouse?

It is a shame for Cindy who hates Trump, and thought her greet and meet with Macron in France went well and they got on “because they were of a similar age.” President Macron certainly didn’t greet Cindy with the joy and enthusiasm he showered on President Trump! ?
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April 26, 2018 9:56am
- Jack5
  
  Jacinderella lets down her guard over her “international socialist” background when it comes to Trump. She seems to feel that she can get away with being openly contemptuous of Trump.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:01pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Cindy was no more than a novelty PR exercise for everyone. You think not?
  
  How would the world respond if Donald Trump showed up in a native American Indian chief’s headdress? Or wearing buckskin? How would the world react to Theresa May showing up covered in woad paint? Or Putin in Russian fur?
  
  The world would react much as India did to Trudeau dressing his family in Indian garb. With ridicule (noisy or silent) and varying degrees of anger/disgust.
  
  NZ gets away with it because we’re ‘cute’ and ‘strange’ at present – she doesn’t know any better – ‘young, pregnant female’. Her natural environment is with naive, cheering schoolchildren . Ancient Maori clothing is not only relevant only to Maori except as a curiosity; it denotes a shallow racial egotism/tokenism which is just quaint.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:12pm
  - MH
    
    she’ll be honging Potus on next visit, Trump will open her jaws for a quick look.
    
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    April 26, 2018 12:57pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Followed by a ‘peace pipe’ – or not.
      
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      April 26, 2018 1:18pm
- Paulus
  
  And Macron when addressing the US Joint Houses spoke very good English not French when he met Calamity Cindy, our most open and transparent Prime Minister we have ever had, and then she lies.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:58pm
Captain Mainwaring

Increase in road deaths. Here’s some reasons for you to ponder JAG:

1. P-addled drivers.
2. Distractions.
3. Big increase in wallowing, top-heavy old Jap import SUVs.
4. Mad motorcyclists.
5. Cyclists who get in the way.
6. Immigrants with poor driving skills and dodgy licences.
7. Ferals who try and run away from the cops.
8. Truck drivers going to sleep.

So stop talking shit like lumbering the rest of us with wire rope barriers and 70km/h limits.
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April 26, 2018 10:04am
- kevn
  
  @CM…. You can add ‘cell phone usage especially texting’.
  
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  April 26, 2018 10:47am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Included under distractions. Trying to keep it simple.
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:49am
- chuk
  
  9. Idiots who don’t use the seat belt.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:13am
  - MH
    
    unlicensed drivers or in violation of restrictions
    unlicensed and no WOF vehicles
    
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    April 26, 2018 1:00pm
  - Mummy
    
    Suicide by logging truck or bridge
    
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    April 26, 2018 5:17pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  10. Double the number of cars on a road with opposed traffic and you will quadruple the number of opportunities for head on crashes.
  11. Poor people are relatively wealthier than previously and are travelling more. (Possible evidence of this is increase in greater numbers of death with no seat belts, though they could also be chinese – chinese often don’t wear belts)
  
  We need race/culture/socioeconomic and cell phone useage data for crash victims to be published too so that truth of causes can be ascertained.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:17pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Good points UN.
    I got a downtick – must be a cyclist.
    
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    April 26, 2018 1:53pm
  - MCos
    
    The Ministry of Transport site has all sorts of information. Here for example is data on seat belts & fatalities.
    Buried in the middle is a graph that seems to show Asians are particularly adept at not being killed while not wearing seat belts.
    https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Mackie-Seat-belt-fatality-report-FINAL.pdf
    
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    April 26, 2018 4:32pm
- MCos
  
  As of a couple of weeks ago the difference between road deaths this year & last is pretty much the same as the increased toll of over sixty year olds.
  It is also the same as the increased toll of motor bike riders.
  
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  April 26, 2018 4:12pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Too many pensioners taking up motorbike riding?
    
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    April 26, 2018 5:07pm
Fletch

In case you missed it (and I did), House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was interviewed on TV a few days ago. He has seen the electronic communication outlining the reasons the counterintelligence investigation was started into possible collusion between the Russians and Trump.

DEVIN NUNES: It took a long time to actually get this… the original intelligence, the original reasons that the counterintelligence investigation was started.

This is really important to us because a counterintelligence investigation uses the tools of our intelligence services, that are not supposed to be used on American citizens. So we’ve wanted to know what intelligence they had that actually led to this investigation.

So what we found now, after investigators have reviewed it is that, in fact, there was no intelligence.

[…]

NUNES: As you know, we are investigating the State Department, we think there are some major irregularities at the State Department, and we’re trying to figure out how this information about Papadopoulos, of all people, who was supposedly met with some folks in London, how that made it across to the FBI’s hands.

We know a little bit about that because of what some of the State Dept. officials themselves have said about that.

So we were glad to get this behind us, but as we peel another piece back, it leaves more unanswered questions.

MARIA BARTIROMO: You’re telling us that in order for the FBI and DoJ to launch an investigation into so-called collusion between Trump and the Russians, there was no intelligence used? So I don’t understand, how did this investigation start?

NUNES: I think that is the point. We don’t understand, we’ve never understood. We don’t have access to these finished intelligence products, and we’ve never seen one. We thought maybe one went through a different channel that was kept really secret… well, in fact, after our investigators reviewed this, there was no Five Eyes intelligence product, as has been reported. There was no product. And I think that is a major problem…

At the highest level, what is this about? A counterintelligence operation that was at the height of the political campaign, where you opened up an investigation, using these intelligence services to spy on the other campaign, it is really serious stuff…

I can tell you we know longtime associates of Hillary Clinton, including Sidney Blumenthal and Corey Shearer, were actively giving information to the State Dept. that was making its way to the FBI… So we know this was at least from two witnesses, and so we’re trying to piece all that together.

There was no official intelligence that was used to start this investigation, we know that Sidney Blumenthal and others wee pushing information into the State Department.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54KbYPfkcw

Crooked as hell. An investigation based on nothing other than a desire to pull down Trump. And it looks like it all leads back to crooked Hillary.
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April 26, 2018 10:19am
- Random T Person
  
  I’ll be interested in all of this in about a decade’s time. It’s just one looooong soap opera of bullshit and I only have so many brain cells to keep occupied.
  
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  April 26, 2018 10:32am
- Philview
  
  I saw that SonofNewo guy on youtube talking about Papadopoulos just happening to bump into Alexander Downer in a bar in London and under the influence and disclosing Trump’s Russian connections. Downer just happened to be in a previous life Australian Foreign Secretary and responsible for massive donations by the Australian Government to the Clinton Foundation. An associate of Clinton.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:30pm
Manolo

Isn’t multiculturalism wonderful?
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2018/04/25/605640064/germany-gets-rid-of-its-top-music-prize-after-anti-semitism-controversy

This month, the German music industry has been forced to reckon with accusations of anti-Semitism after a controversial rap duo, Kollegah (Felix Blume) and Farid Bang (Farid El Abellaoui), won the best hip-hop album award at the Echo prizes, the country’s top music award, on April 12. Lyrics on the duo’s winning album include boasts that their bodies are “more defined than Auschwitz prisoners” and that they will “make another Holocaust, show up with a Molotov.” The duo had also faced condemnation for lyrics that, critics say, are misogynistic and homophobic.

In a press release issued today, the country’s top music trade association BVMI (Bundesverband Musikindustrie) announced that it would be getting rid of the Echo prizes altogether, writing: “The Echo will not exist anymore … the Echo brand was so badly damaged that a completely new beginning is necessary.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/barenboim-returns-german-music-award-in-row-over-anti-semitic-rappers/
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April 26, 2018 10:24am
- Jack5
  
  Pity the poor Germans. Brain washed by the Nazis. Counter-“propandised” by the Allies after the war.
  
  Those who ended up in East Germany, like the novelist Gunther Grass, may have come through it better. The Soviet-Communist brain washing, while more obvious and more severe, seems to have left less susceptibility to political correctness.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:54am
Jack5

Spare us! The sports team members of the sinking Hooerald have become experts on race relations. Or at least one has.

Chris Rattue, who bombards readers with his weird views on rugby, criticises Steve Hanson for not being able to get his mouth around the name of Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi.

Would Rattue criticise the English pronunciation of an ethnic Tongan or perhaps even a Maori struggling to pronounce an English-language name? I doubt it.

Chinese migrants everywhere often use dual names – one easier in the language of where they have settled, be it Malaysia or America or New Zealand. They keep their old names. Mei-lei might be known among her Kiwi workmates and friends as Mary, for example. Many Maori have done something similar in the past and may still do so.

It’s not being submissive to racists, but practical. Just as someone with an English name others find a mouthful are happily known by a shorter form. How many “Arches” are addressed as “Archibald” of even “Bills” as “William”.

For most English speakers, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi is a mouthful, and like it or not English is the lingua franca of Rugby. Does Rattue expect the commentators of Australia, England, Scotland, Ireland, to be 100 per cent correct in pronouncing this player’s name? At a glance, it looks to have six syllables. That alone will reduce the number of times he is mentioned.

But is there another reason why Chris Rattue has criticised Hansen on this issue? How do you pronounce “Rattue”? Was he tormented as “Ratty” in his school days?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12039250
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April 26, 2018 10:50am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Cultural consultants.
  Cha-chi-i-i-i-i-ing . . .
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:53am
- itstricky
  
  It’s not being submissive to racists, but practical. Just as someone with an English name others find a mouthful are happily known by a shorter form. How many “Arches” are addressed as “Archibald” of even “Bills” as “William”.
  
  It is a big difference between Bill and “Triple T”, which is not a shortened name but a deliberate side step of something that’s “just too hard”.
  
  Who knows, however, perhaps it is an acceptable nickname to the man himself. If it isn’t, then it is lazy of Hansen.
  
  Does Rattue expect the commentators of Australia, England, Scotland, Ireland, to be 100 per cent correct in pronouncing this player’s name?
  
  Probably not. But, that’s extrapolating what he has was writing about beyond its logical extereme, however. That is – he was writing about New Zealanders, in New Zealand, pronouncing Maori names. That, you would expect, most citizens could at least have a go at.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    No, it’s an international game – one of the few that New Zealanders are at the top of or near the top of. If you are talking about the All Blacks, you need to take overseas rugby into consideration.
    
    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi’s name might make it harder for him to get a professional job overseas later, if that’s what he wants. Even France and Japan are reasonably familiar with English, but this name ( when forenames are included about 10 or 11 syllables) will be more than a mouthful in those countries.
    
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    April 26, 2018 1:36pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Never stopped Rupeni Caucaunibuka. 😉
      
      Mind you, Rupeni’s problem was keeping his contracts. Forget Jonah. Forget Zinzan. Forget Carlos Spencer. Rupeni was the most naturally-gifted rugby player of all time….and the laziest. Sinful waste of talent. I digress…
      
      Also, I like Chris Rattue. Always original and provocative even when you don’t agree with him. And fearless of the sports establishment, and there are too few like him in that regards. But ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick.
      
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      April 26, 2018 2:06pm
    - MCos
      
      The world of sport is full of people with barely pronounceable names who have been snapped up by some of the great teams.
      Have a look at the Man City roster.
      
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      April 26, 2018 2:54pm
      - SGA
        
        And the English speaking Lancashire, Kent, Gloucestershire, Wellington Firebirds, Melbourne Renegades and Jamaica Tallawahs didn’t seem to mind that Muttiah Muralitharan was a bit of a mouthful 🙂
        
        (Damn – Now all I can think of is the 12th man’s mock cricket commentaries)
        
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        April 26, 2018 3:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        MCos makes the point, “… the world of sport is full of people with barely pronounceable names …”
        
        But now it’s a celebrity marketing game, MCos, and the name is the brand.
        
        Sports stars with names unpronounceable to the locals will, if they are lucky, find fans come up with a pronounceable, short-cut names for them.
        
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        April 26, 2018 4:42pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        SGA, “Cut that man’s Arminhalf”. Those mock commentaries were good, but in this age, decidedly non-PC. Tsk, tsk really.
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:02pm
      - SGA
        
        @Jack5
        
        Sports stars with names unpronounceable to the locals will, if they are lucky, find fans come up with a pronounceable, short-cut names for them.
        
        Sure, true of celebs in general, but that wasn’t your point – you said
        
        Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi’s name might make it harder for him to get a professional job overseas later, if that’s what he wants.
        
        and that doesn’t sound right. If he’s good enough, they’ll take him even if he’s called Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
        
        One of the stars of the Serbian football team that won the U20 World Cup in NZ is currently being scouted by teams like Man U and Liverpool, his name is Sergej Milinković-Savić
        
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        April 26, 2018 7:15pm
      - Jack5
        
        In his 7.15 post SGA cites the name of the Serbian footballer: Sergej Milinković-Savić.
        
        That’s an easy name for an English-language announcer to get his or her tongue around. SGA produces the name in the Serbian alphabet.
        
        In the English alphabet it is Sergei Milinkovich-Savich. Easy to read and say, but still a big name at eight syllables.
        
        “Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi” is already in English. The full birth name, “Hohepa Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi” is, I think 15 syllables.
        
        A mouthful. Even for Hansen’s critic, Keith Quinn, who we see mostly pushing insurance funeral plans like some fucking TV vulture.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:06pm
      - SGA
        
        @Jack5
        Sorry, but I still think that you are probably wrong. If an overseas rugby club think that he’d be an worthwhile asset, the number of syllables in his name isn’t going to stop them. I doubt it will even appear on their radar.
        But, hey, we can agree to disagree – I won’t lose any sleep over it either way 🙂
        
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        April 26, 2018 10:28pm
    - itstricky
      
      No, it’s an international game
      
      Has nothing to do with it. Nobody expects Steve Hansen to pronounce the names of the South African team correctly, but everybody expects Rassie Erasmus to get the names of his players right.
      
      Even France and Japan are reasonably familiar with English
      
      I’m not sure Japan is a wise choice for your example given Japanese is probably linguistically closer to Maori than English. And Japan is full of many syllable names.
      
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      April 26, 2018 3:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Since 2011, English language instruction has been compulsory in Japanese schools, beginning at age 10. In major cities and in railway stations many signs are duplicated in English.
        
        Try finding your way around Japan speaking only Maori, Istricky.
        
        Odakyu-sen has posted before about Maori and Japanese, I recall. From his comments he’s a professional language translator, so I would accept his view.
        
        The Rassie Erasmus you mention was born Johan Rasmus. I’m guessing he’s an Afrikaaner. If so, Afrikaaner names should be a breeze to him. He may well also be familiar also with several of the black indigenous languages of South Africa.
        
        By far the majority of New Zealanders don’t speak Maori. Can you describe Maori as a native language to them? The many Maori who don’t speak Maori wouldn’t qualify as native speakers of the language, either.
        
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        April 26, 2018 4:36pm
      - itstricky
        
        Try finding your way around Japan speaking only Maori
        
        Which I didn’t suggest. I said Japan was a country with lots of multi-syllable names that was linguistically closer to Maori than English so it might be theoretically easier for a Japanese speaker to wrap their tongue around a Maori name than an English speaker.
        
        The Rassie Erasmus you mention was born Johan Rasmus.
        
        Great. Thanks for the extra information. So you’d expect him to be able to pronounce the names of The Springboks. As for Hansen…
        
        By far the majority of New Zealanders don’t speak Maori. Can you describe Maori as a native language to them?
        
        No one is expecting from-birth native fluency, just an effort, given it is an official language of the country. And, if you read the article carefully, that’s what Rattue has said.
        
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        April 26, 2018 5:20pm
- MH
  
  metui.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    MH
    Commenting on metui iit is being said that Metiria Turei is now going to stand in the Northcote by Election for the Greens, and is it so that she will be on the new Social Welfare Conversation Committee to tell them how to do it.
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:04pm
    - RF
      
      Dear god.
      
      The return of the green slug.
      
      Maybe not if there is a still a criminal investigation being carried out concerning her benefits.
      
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      April 26, 2018 5:14pm
Maxx

Coalition to launch value capture charges by end of year
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/coalition-launch-value-capture-charges-end-year-be-p-214997 (paywall)

Looks like they’re launching another tax next year, calling it a levy. If large transport projects push up the value of your property, you’ll pay more.
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April 26, 2018 10:53am
- KevOB
  
  Stupid is as stupid does.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s a reasonable approach. Make Aucklanders pay for improvements in Auckland infrastructure.
  
  What would be really cool is if they gave those who would be levied a vote (with power proportional to levy they had to pay) on whether the project should proceed.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:11pm
  - Maxx
    
    Don’t forget that the rateable value of your property will also go up if these projects push up the value of your house, so not only will you be paying a proportion for the project, but more in rates in general vs someone who doesn’t benefit
    
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    April 26, 2018 3:19pm
Keeping Stock

My wife has just returned from the US, and picked up a copy of James Comey’s book for me. With shitty weather predicted this weekend, it should be a good opportunity to have a read.
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April 26, 2018 10:53am
- skyblue
  
  You can use it as loo paper as well. Read, wipe then flush.
  
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  April 26, 2018 10:59am
  - RalphT
    
    To save time cut out the first step; just wipe and flush.
    
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    April 26, 2018 11:33am
  - cmm
    
    Flush twice… just in case.
    
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    April 26, 2018 11:36am
- Fletch
  
  They’re selling it here already, in the Warehouse, in Whitcoulls, etc… Couldn’t pay me to read it.
  
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  April 26, 2018 11:00am
Left Right and Centre

If you’re a ‘hero to the young’ like Eric Murray. . .

Sorry, you can’t sell beer.
Because beer is evil poison, obviously.
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April 26, 2018 11:18am
rightoverlabour

I have a real dilemma. I can’t work out which is the bigger cunt. Mikewasmild or Stephieboy. Any enlightenment would make my day much better. Thanks.
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April 26, 2018 11:55am
- MCos
  
  I’m surprised you didn’t put your own name in the hat!
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:07pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Ok, I’m up for it, You’ll join me, no doubt?
    
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    April 26, 2018 1:33pm
- cmm
  
  Why do you have to make a choice?
  Everyone’s a winner!
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:35pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Stephie or Mossey, Possibly JasonJohns.
  
  Mike’s a strange, argumentative prick but I quite enjoy his trolling skills.
  
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  April 26, 2018 2:30pm
cmm

More stuff lies: https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/103318662/dr-cathy-stephenson-syphillis-is-not-confined-to-the-history-books

Most new cases of syphilis are in homosexuals with a high correlation with HIV infection.

Yet they show a stock photo of a man and a woman.

Add this to burglary articles with stock photos of white men etc.

If you add a photo to an article, then it is supposed to convey the information in the article (a picture is worth a thousand words). It should not be the opposite of what the article says.

And, Cathy, you are really naive if you think your hand-wringing article is going to have a measurable impact. Homosexuals (and heterosexuals) have all the info they need about condoms, yet we still have a large % of HIV+ men going bareback. They have a nihilistic death wish, your article is not going to change anything.
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April 26, 2018 12:05pm
- MH
  
  and the Poverty boy looks like he’ll end up as an old white man on some board.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:09pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  It would be a good thing if health authorities told the truth, most particularly to young people.
  
  Internationally, condoms can be effective at preventing HIV, notwithstanding that many are not using them. Quite apart from infection rates, there’d be no abortion if they were.
  
  However, condoms are not effective in the prevention of other STDs. It’s often put down to condoms not being used ‘properly’.
  
  It’s also clear that the tendency to promiscuity in the gay community massively increases the rates of infection. Given that, I would imagine it’s bisexuals who carry a lot of it into the heterosexual population.
  
  “Most cases were found to occur in men who have sex with other men, but the infection rate from heterosexual contact is increasing too – this pattern of spread mimics what has occurred in the UK, and the age range seems to be similar too, with most cases occurring in 20- to 39-year-olds. Bigger cities are unsurprisingly associated with more cases, with Auckland and Wellington having the highest numbers.”
  
  Of great concern now is super-gonorrhoea, about which in July 2017 was said:
  
  “Data from 77 countries show that antibiotic resistance is making gonorrhoea – a common sexually-transmitted infection – much harder, and sometimes impossible, to treat.”
  
  It’s all very well constantly relying on science to remove consequences for irresponsible behaviour, but sooner or later the human beings are going to have face up to the negative effects of deliberate and irresponsible self-indulgence.
  
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  April 26, 2018 2:10pm
  - cmm
    
    If Indonesia is so bloody fantastic, then why do they need foreign aid?
    
    Even NZ gives them $15.7
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    Concern over infection rates of HIV come secondary to political correctness.
    
    A great example is Africa that has massive rates of infection. The apologists tell us it is due to poverty, colonisation etc, but of course being poor and colonised does not create a virus. Obviously.
    
    Nor are Africans particularly gay. Rather the opposite in many places. So why do they have such high rates of infection even among hetro’s ?… it is due entirely to their sexual practices and for no other reason.
    
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    April 26, 2018 3:01pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  C’mon cmm,
  
  You know the rules. No member of an “oppressed” class can be shown in the photo. The picture must be of a member of the “oppressor” class.
  
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  April 26, 2018 2:52pm
waikatogirl

NZ Police have taken into account those stating that it was too difficult to move to Wellington for the 16 week NZ Police training. Training at Unitech in Auckland begins for the first intake of NZ Police recruits who will find it much more convenient and able to return home after each day. ?
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April 26, 2018 12:13pm
- Philview
  
  That might explain the too dangerous to get out of the Police car reports. They weren’t there when the get out of the car training was done.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:35pm
  - cmm
    
    Too much drive-through training at KFC maybe?
    
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    April 26, 2018 1:02pm
    - Brigitte
      
      You’ve given me an idea – I’m going to start a drive through coffee & donut shop, could be a winner.
      
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      April 26, 2018 3:36pm
- cmm
  
  wg: That’s what happens in 2018.
  
  2020: NZ Police have taken into account those stating it was too difficult to get off the couch for 16 weeks to attend police training. Police training will now be delivered as online training modules.
  
  2022: NZ Police have taken into account those saying it is hard doing the night shift. Policing will be changed to 9-5.
  
  I know a guy who recently joined the cops. It was a challenge to get in. Maybe because he’s a straight white male?
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:01pm
Left Right and Centre

Hell Pizza is reporting a minor sales bump; caused by confused gay Israel Folau fans . . .
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April 26, 2018 12:21pm
Left Right and Centre

NZ – race differences . . .
White woman tv presenter: ‘cheerio’.
Brown woman tv presenter: ‘chur, bro’.
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April 26, 2018 12:26pm
stigie

Im i fucking dumb or what. Hasn’t this all played out through the courts over the months and years and now Penny gets 3 days to put her story across again..? Am i missing something here..?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/355857/penny-bright-given-brief-reprieve-over-forced-home-sale
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April 26, 2018 12:26pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  You can turn this one upside down . . .
  The authorities continue to stymie her yearning quest for matyrdom with the latest reprieve.
  
  Good for them. They know that’s what she really wants.
  
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  April 26, 2018 12:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Yesterday Penny asked for feedback as to whether she’s a “bludger” or a “freeloader”. The voting feedback was 4 upticks and 55 downticks – so an overwhelming majority seem to think she’s a bludger or a freeloader.
  
  On Tuesday Penny told us that “[t]he Interim Injunction was granted on the mesmerising paperwork” and referred to her “mesmerising legal arguments”.
  
  I analysed her paperwork here:
  
  1. There is good reason to believe the planned sale of the Applicants property by the Respondent is unlawful and which, if effected, cannot be remedied by way of damages. [My comment: the planned sale isn’t unlawful. Auckland Council is following the process set out in the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002]
  2. Alternatively, there is good reason to believe the planned sale is motivated by ill will; where such planned action is additionally without precedent. [My comment: There is a precedent – Charlotte Marsh]
  3. There exists elementary legal questions concerning the actions of the Respondent in selling the Applicant’s property which require a judicial determination, and which actions cannot be undone if the legal questions are determined in favour of the Applicant. [My comment: This assertion is unsubstantiated by the evidence]
  4. A judicial review laying out the legal questions at issue will be filed in support of the interim injunction within 2 working days. [My comment: So Penny is asking the High Court to stop the sale process now on the basis of “legal questions” that will be filed later]
  5. As set out in the accompanying affidavir [sic] of Penelope Mary Bright. [My comment: It looks like Penny is trying yet again to conflate the rates and public records issues. The High Court has made it clear that they’re separate issues]
  
  So, as I see it, the High Court judge has given Penny some time – not long – to explain why her home shouldn’t be sold. Penny will need to explain why her circumstances are different from Charlotte Marsh’s.
  
  Penny is on public record, in court, as accepting that the rates were validly charged. Her defences were rejected. So her only argument now is that Auckland Council can’t lawfully sell her home – despite having an express right to do so under local government legislation.
  
  This will all end in tears for Penny.
  
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  April 26, 2018 3:45pm
  - stigie
    
    “This will all end in tears for Penny”
    
    Well, it ended in tears for me to Nostra when the scaffolders refused to give me my money back when seating was going to be erected across from the hovel.
    I should have taken Nasska’s advice when he said wait and see if it’s an auction or tender !~
    
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    April 26, 2018 4:00pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    The courts always indulge self-litigants, they have to if they want decisions to be appeal proof. It will all turn out badly for Penny, just as it was always going to.
    
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    April 26, 2018 4:02pm
noskire

Has Metiria Leanne Agnes Stanton Turei repaid her WINZ debt, or is she waiting for the Gweens to ram through their “bottom-line policy” of removing WINZ sanctions?
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April 26, 2018 1:01pm
Huevon

Involuntary celibacy…

Apparently this is now a thing.

Dude, just say hi to her. The worst that can happen is that she says no. No need to go Allah Akbar with a van.
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April 26, 2018 1:28pm
KevinH

On the subject of c….ts:
An extract from an article posted by Joe Hildebrand at newscom.au: ( edited and abridged)

In an emotional hate filled tweet Australian comedian Catherine Deveney has launched a scathing attack on Anzac ceremonies held across Australia yesterday.
Ms Deveney said Anzac Day causes her physical pain” My head feels tighter and tighter and I feel nauseous ” she said.
Ms Deveney went on to say that she abhors Anzac Day ” It’s a trojan horse for racism, sexism, toxic masculinity and discrimination”.
“Anzac Day is part of the fetishisation of war and violence, Anzac Day is to kill, rape, invade and then glorify it”, she said.
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April 26, 2018 1:33pm
Swifty

A sorry tale alleviated, in the final line, by clear evidence of Johnboy reaching out for help! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103215232/waikato-dhbs-virtual-health-spend-caused-financial-squeeze-insider-claims
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April 26, 2018 1:39pm
- RalphT
  
  I don’t think JB would ever admit to needing help in that area.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:31pm
Morrissey

Dr Philth, who praised Chris Kyle as a “modern-day American hero”, is now pretending to empathize with another sniper’s victims
Thursday 26 April 2018

Just watched a few seconds of today’s Dr Philth on three. This episode is grandly captioned: “Stories of horror and hope from Las Vegas. Dr Phil speaks to brave survivors of the nation’s deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.”

In the few seconds I could bear to watch, I saw Dr Philth, with that pooch face, empathising at full volume with some victims.

This is very odd behaviour for Dr Philth, who not that long ago was fulsome in his praise of a far more lethal sniper than the Las Vegas one….

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-19082015/#comment-1060544

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17112015/#comment-1096957
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April 26, 2018 1:47pm
- Morrissey
  
  One supporter of mass murder has registered with us. Scumbag. Coward. Filth. NewstalkZB listener. Bigot.
  
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  April 26, 2018 1:57pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Christ what a loser you are Breen.
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:23pm
Morrissey

Great Snipers of Our Time
No. 1 TATANG KOSWARA

Tatang Koswara (1947 – 2015) was a sniper credited with at least 41 confirmed kills during the U.S.-backed Indonesian invasion of East Timor in the 1970s.

http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2015/03/04/indonesian-sniper-tatang-koswara-passes-away-68

Great Snipers of Our Time is compiled by Morrissey Breen for Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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April 26, 2018 1:56pm
- softail 1450
  
  Moronissey ,,,the fricking raving cretin is back ,did you get time off for good behaviour fuckface.
  
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  April 26, 2018 2:43pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Morrissey would be high up on the list of loons of all time.
    
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    April 26, 2018 2:49pm
    - Jack5
      
      What do you expect? Morrissey spends the day with his left ear listening to one radio station and his right ear listening to another one, and trying to take down, verbatim, samples of what both are saying.
      
      Thirdly, at the same time, he is compiling his notorious lists – of gropers, and now of snipers ….
      
      Morrissey’s brain is like a specimen museum for psychotherapists.
      
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      April 26, 2018 9:22pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Hell, Jack, that’s some impressive analysis right there! Have you considered a career in this field?
        
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        April 27, 2018 7:32am
realityczech

I see that the murder rate in the gun and freedom hating shit hole of London has now surpassed that of New York.

Still, having your children gang raped, or bleeding out in the gutter, is a small price to pay for the warm glow of smugness one gains from cultural enrichment.
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April 26, 2018 2:54pm
GazzaW

Why has the arse fallen out of the NZ dollar today right across from the board?
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April 26, 2018 3:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  Announcement of huge deficit spending to worsen Auckland traffic congestion?
  
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  April 26, 2018 3:03pm
- realityczech
  
  Why has the arse fallen out of the NZ dollar today right across from the board?
  
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  April 26, 2018 3:23pm
  - Piniwi
    
    @realityczech it has been sliding down steadily since about 10th April from 0.7390 to 0.7059 so the little $8.30 pension increase has just been wiped out already. Meanwhile expect more pain at the pump as the fuel prices rise faster than the new taxes still to come.
    
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    April 26, 2018 7:02pm
    - realityczech
      
      Piniwi, the sort of people who vote for them are too stupid to see that putting up the cost of fuel puts up the price of everything.
      
      The few extra cents at the pump turns into thousands of dollars a year extra on everything from fresh vegetables to baby clothes.
      
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      April 26, 2018 7:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Hi ~~Kea~~ Realityczech.
        
        Welcome back from the mountains. I trust you’re down country until spring.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie, spring might be a bit ambitious.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:30pm
- cmm
  
  Bugger, why didn’t they do that a couple of weeks back when I was cashing in some GBP!
  
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  April 26, 2018 3:24pm
- UpandComer
  
  Because of the tremors in the fabric of reality and the apocalyptic socio-cultural ramifications created by Kim Kardashian joining Chance the Rapper, Natalie Portman, and Kanye West supporting President Donald Trump.
  
  Everything is now subject to Schrodinger’s cat, and Hiesenberg’s uncertainty principle.
  
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  April 26, 2018 4:00pm
- starboard
  
  Wait for the surge in pump prices.
  With all of the new ‘ govt levies’ plus the greedy oil companies clip in the ticket, its gona cost Joe Average 200 bucks to fill the Holden with 91.
  All for the greater good comrades, the greater good.
  
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  April 26, 2018 4:06pm
  - Piniwi
    
    @starboard it is pushed even further up as crude prices continue to rise steadily and there is still the first sweet cheeks first budget to come with a GST hike being touted as the only lifeline for the COL.
    
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    April 26, 2018 7:07pm
UpandComer

https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/989260195598688257

http://time.com/5254664/kanye-west-supports-donald-trump-twitter/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-twitter-donald-trump-mental-health-a8322716.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYF7H_fpc-g

Where were you when Kim Kardashian left ‘wuz’ and joined ‘we’ .

This is the most important thing that’s happened in the past year. Forget Syria.

Real change is coming. Real change.

If the cultural marxists have lost Kim Kardashian prison loometh.

Yet they have.

And so the great wheel turns in the most surprising of ways, in order to get on, we have to go back.

Haha sheit.

Kim Kardashian, Natalie Portman, Chance, Kanye. Who next on the roll of honour.
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April 26, 2018 3:01pm
UpandComer

I wonder if Taika can feel the power today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE

Where was Taika when the universe shifted on it’s axis and the heavens realigned and Kim Kardashian and Chance the rapper namethed themselves Uncle Tom? Are they black Taika? Tell us Taika. Tell us.

Can you feel it?

The fire rises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK4h9xR7Dec

If I wasn’t certain before, now I am.

Everything is going to change. The unthinkable walks.
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April 26, 2018 3:11pm
cmm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/

“Witness Cunmasked…” Comeon Herald, look what you write!

Can you believe that Witness C was a double-murderer! Shock, horror, a bloke in a jail was actually a criminal?

Dumb of the prosecution to have taken the word of any crim.

Even if Tamihere has bragged to a crim about a murder he didn’t commit, then so what? Who wouldn’t lie to a crim in prison to get some street cred?
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April 26, 2018 3:23pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0

We’re all going monster hunting now.

Kim Kardashian is taking the vanguard.

Lol all for Nostradamus!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teens-roam-streets-with-rifles-as-crime-swamps-sweden-q83g055k9

https://www.rt.com/news/329243-sweden-migrant-stabbed-teenager/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268689/Concept-adultery-abolished-law-grounds-divorce-wake-Government-s-plans-gay-marriage.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-police-women-alone-dark-victim-blaming-advice-retracted-a8117291.html

Listen to this – it’s about Rotherham. It’s a whistle-blower, a police officer who was too good at his job. Listen to it, because it’s the foundation of all clear thinking about England.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raH1peZjiqo&feature=youtu.be
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April 26, 2018 3:34pm
RalphT

Woo hoo! We’ve done it!

The meter has just ticked over to show that 5,000 houses have been built since Jacinda and Phil took over the reins. Well done!

What? Oh, a deficit. Surely not. I thought that with all this poverty and the spare wood from the trees Shane Jones is planting the government would be spitting out houses at a great rate of knots.
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April 26, 2018 4:12pm
milkmaid

Does Jacinda’s condition really warrant a full-time ambulance?

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/8exq3p/does_jacinda_have_an_ambulance_stationed_outside/
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April 26, 2018 4:15pm
- realityczech
  
  Yes for her declining mental health.
  
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  April 26, 2018 4:18pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Ah Mike you know why really. She is a publicity junkie, just wants the media to know that she is back home – even at night time – and she is not going out drinking/partying etc etc.
  Then again, it could have nothing to do with Jacinda, maybe Gatlord ran out of almond milk and Jacinda can not just pop down to the dairy or petrol station
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:11pm
  - milkmaid
    
    Well, it is heartening that Auckland probably has an abundance of amublances and staff, so much so that they are able to park on-call in the streets, waiting for something that is to happen in the next couple of months. Heh.
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:46pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Really? i will check next time I drive past jacintas whare.
  
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  April 26, 2018 7:12pm
VicParking

We have hit 5000 crack up the toolbox Twitford
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April 26, 2018 4:24pm
stigie

Twatford would argue 5000, less the 3 being built on the West Coast !~
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April 26, 2018 4:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Maybe Labour could consider “double-bunking” houses like the double-bunking cells they apparently have in our prisons. Do more with less space!
  
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  April 26, 2018 5:05pm
renderer

Is this a bit premature maybe

Penny Bright
21 hrs ·

CELEBRATION this Friday night!
A chance for a catch-up this Friday evening 27 April from 5.30pm at Garnet Station Cafe 85 Garnet Rd Westmere.
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“Occupy Garnet Road (OGR) Drinks” to celebrate Penny’s stupendous achievement in getting a interim injunction to save her house.
This Friday from 5.30pm at Garnet Station.
If you can’t come send a text message to read out to her.
Cheers Lisa (cash bar)”
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April 26, 2018 5:22pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Renderer
  
  (cash bar)
  
  So will Penny use the GiveaLittle money for drinkies?
  
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  April 26, 2018 5:27pm
  - nasska
    
    Com’on! This is a gathering of miserable tight-arsed lefties so the literal interpretation of a “cash bar” applies:
    
    …..”a bar at a social function at which guests buy drinks rather than having them provided free.”…..
    
    That’s when a group of soap dodgers pool their money to buy one watered down drink & a packet of straws! 🙂
    
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    April 26, 2018 5:52pm
- graham
  
  Yes I saw that too.
  
  I *think* someone explained the interim injunction as going through until Monday – three working days? I am sure someone can clarify. I am also aware that Penny, in comments either yesterday or Tuesday, was making quite a big thing of this:
  
  (a) Pending further order of the Court, the respondent shall take no steps, or no further steps, to effect sale of the applicant’s property at 86A School Road, Kingsland.
  
  I’m not sure if she was trying to quietly bypass what was reported by Stuff; namely that the interim injunction was only for three days, after which time presumably it will be all back on …
  
  … or if Stuff has Stuffed up in their reporting.
  
  Neither would surprise me.
  
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  April 26, 2018 5:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Graham:
    
    As I noted above, Penny represented to the High Court that “[a] judicial review laying out the legal questions at issue will be filed in support of the interim injunction within 2 working days”. 2 working days from Monday (the filing date) is today, but let’s be generous and say Penny has until tomorrow.
    
    The interim injunction applies until a further court order is made, and an order won’t be made until Penny’s “judicial review application” (assuming one is filed) is dealt with. So there’s a bit more water to flow under the bridge.
    
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    April 26, 2018 5:35pm
    - KevOB
      
      Doesn’t have money to pay her rates?
      Where is she getting the cash to pay the heavy filing fees for her new legal assault on common sense and order? Is she on legal aid too?
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:03pm
    - stigie
      
      This is bullshit, with the obfuscation and the entitlements that this women is getting, one would think she has a rates free property for life !~
      
      Where the fuck do i sign up..?
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:25pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      I think time runs from the making of the direction contained in the Judge’s minute.
      That being the case the time for filing should expire tomorrow afternoon. Unless i have the dates wrong.
      If nothing has been filed then the opening of the tender documents will follow as night follows day.
      
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      April 26, 2018 7:15pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Yes, that’s correct. If she was smart, she’d be spending this time boxing up her cats and other assorted shit.
        
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        April 26, 2018 7:34pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Alex:
        
        Penny might not be able to meet tomorrow’s deadline as she apparently has some drinkies planned!
        
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        April 26, 2018 7:34pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        Nostradamus I saw that.
        Can’t say that having a dandelion tea (or what ever she drinks) with Penny and her accolytes is an attractive proposition.
        There is also an element of counting chickens before they hatch.
        But stranger things have happened in this matter.
        
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        April 26, 2018 7:47pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Alex:
        
        This matter is odd from start to finish.
        
        Why did the High Court judge grant an interim injunction against Auckland Council but, apparently, not against the High Court Registrar who is carrying out the sale process on behalf of Auckland Council?
        
        Why didn’t the High Court (apparently) make the matter returnable by a specified date to ensure that Penny doesn’t drag her feet?
        
        What happens if Penny drags her feet? Is Auckland Council supposed to apply for the interim injunction to be lifted? If so, can Auckland Council’s costs be added to the house sale costs?
        
        And if Penny files a judicial review claim, and Auckland Council successfully applies for summary judgment, can Auckland Council’s legal costs in that matter be added to the house sale costs?
        
        So many questions!
        
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        April 26, 2018 8:01pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        Things are very odd.
        It appears to have been a short minute from the Judge. One would have thought that a more considered approach would have been required.
        And a judicial review of a rating sale being undertaken by the registrar which is process driven, at least from the registrars perspective.
        
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        April 27, 2018 6:11am
Nostradamus

Earlier today Stephieboy plumbed new depths of behaviour when he responded to this JasonJohns’ comment. Stephieboy’s response was short (one line) and consisted of a derogatory racial slur about David Garrett’s “supposedly Tongan wife” (if I recall the wording correctly). Stephieboy’s comment has now disappeared, so a number of people (I think it’s 4) have reported Stephieboy’s comment to DPF.
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April 26, 2018 5:53pm
- nasska
  
  …..” (I think it’s 4) “……
  
  DPF once indicated that it took ten “reports” to trigger the feature.
  
  Be interesting to see how this pans out.
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:02pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    I’ve just checked Nasska – it’s 5 comments – or was when DPF set it up.
    
    In the past, you needed to e-mail me to report comments that may fall outside the Kiwiblog’s Comments Policy. Now there is a plugin which means you can just click on a link to report a comment.
    
    If 5 people report a comment, it will go into moderation to be reviewed.
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:07pm
    - nasska
      
      Fair enough Nostra…..my memory is failing me.
      
      Keep us posted on how it turns out. The possibility of two month’s respite from the inanities is tantilising. 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:13pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Reporting folk for being fuckwits seems to be very unsporting to me. Best let them continue to entertain us on an ongoing basis. Who among us can say that he/she doesn’t really enjoy a complete public meltdown? 🙂
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:20pm
      - stigie
        
        You know me Johnboy, i go hard on a good meltdown !~
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:28pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Interesting. 5?
      So if someone is being a consistent pest, the DPF or a mod will have to deal with it. I would not bother doing that much, but a few idiots here deserve it!
      Then again we love their derangement syndromes 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:20pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  He’s been quietly building towards a complete blowout.
  Even went quiet a few times trying to keep his shit together.
  If this isn’t the comment that see’s him on the bench, it’s not far away
  
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  April 26, 2018 8:36pm
renderer

This bludger (Bright) has placed great store in the fact she is an unpaid public watchdog. She has said that the only income she has (tax free) is from a boarder at her house. It was sickening that she tried to bleed the money for her rates, I see that she is on another site trying to get $150 per month to pay for her landline and broadband. I fail to see how she has no idea she is worse than the people she rails against.
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April 26, 2018 6:17pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Give her NOTHING
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:22pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I’d be happy to give her something but it wouldn’t involve cash! 🙂
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:24pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Air kisses don’t really count Johnboy, old chap, unless you have something more intimate in mind?
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:27pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’ve always had a thing about her utterly magnificent biceps Nostra! 🙂
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:32pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Brave man.
      
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      April 26, 2018 7:16pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Renderer:
  
  I see that she is on another site trying to get $150 per month to pay for her landline and broadband
  
  Seriously? Sheesh – she’ll be asking for money to go to an overseas conference next!
  
  It must be time for another survey on whether Penny is a bludger or a freeloader!
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:23pm
  - renderer
    
    This appears to be an American site. It makes me think that there is no level that this bludger would not stoop below to live her life on other peoples money
    https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4653790
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:32pm
    - nasska
      
      From renderer’s link:
      
      ….”Attended 2 anti-water privatisation conferences & 5 anti-corruption conferences. Guarded this city for 16 years as an Full time investigative activist”….
      
      She’s barking mad. Mind you she has attracted two “patrons” at $9/month. 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Penny seems very resourceful when it comes to fundraising. That website Renderer found is about as obscure as you can get! What other websites does she use, I wonder?
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:51pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Aw shucks it’s only $4.50 a week! 🙂
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:53pm
      - stigie
        
        “She’s barking mad”
        
        Look at her latest video….Fucking batshit mad !~
        
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        April 26, 2018 6:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Look at her latest video….Fucking batshit mad !~”
        
        I did so you don’t have to. It is truly hideous.
        
        Before Labour stuffed the health system, people like this were locked down in special facilities and given FREE electric shocks to fix their heads.
        
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        April 26, 2018 7:05pm
      - sooty
        
        She will be to get her electric free when they tazer her.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Penny the Welder is okay.
        
        In a bland, Scandinavian-style socialist country like NZ, characters like Penny are scarce.
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:29pm
- nasska
  
  You’d have to be out of your head to pay $150 for broadband & a landline. That or you’d be watching high definition porn 24/7.
  
  Mrs nasska & myself get by with pre paid cellphones & a $52/month 120GB Skinny connection.
  
  And we pay our rates. 🙂
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:27pm
  - Johnboy
    
    But rates in Eke only total $250 a year nasska and that includes the monthly night cart pick-up! 🙂
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:30pm
    - nasska
      
      Touche! 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2018 6:31pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    watching high definition porn 24/7
    
    Is that why her cats had retreated to the roof in the Trade Me property photo? 🙂
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:32pm
    - Brigitte
      
      Maybe it costs that much as it’s the cats watching paw-nography 24/7.
      
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      April 26, 2018 7:17pm
      - stigie
        
        We need more comedians on the Kiwiblog show !~
        
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        April 26, 2018 7:23pm
  - stigie
    
    You might be paying too much Nasska, im sure if you fronted up to the “cash only bar” tomorrow night im sure Penny will load you up with tips..?
    
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    April 26, 2018 6:34pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Banks dive as UBS raises home loan concerns … Sydney Morning Herald

Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/you_can_have_population_growth_and_affordable_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-2196938 … and …

Banks dive as UBS raises home loan concerns … Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/westpac-dives-as-ubs-raises-loan-concerns-advises-to-sell-the-stock-20180426-p4zbsx.html

Bank stocks have been savaged as investors react to concerns about the quality of their lending practises in the wake of the Hayne royal commission.

Investors hit Westpac hardest wiping more than $3.7 billion off the bank’s market value after analysts said loan data published by the royal commission raised doubts about the quality of the bank’s massive mortgage portfolio.

Shares in Westpac, the country’s second largest bank dropped 4.22 per cent by 3.15 pm on Thursday, following a report from UBS analyst Jonathan Mott, who recommended clients “sell” the stock, citing exhibits the bank has been forced to hand over to the royal commission into financial misconduct. … read more via hyperlink above …

UBS: ‘Liar loans’ much worse than we thought – MacroBusiness
Behind paywall

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/ubs-liar-loans-much-worse-than-we-thought/

Google Search ‘UBS Westpac’
… then access ‘News’ …

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=mm_hWqvjO4Hy8AXKma_4AQ&q=ubs+westpac&oq=ubs+westpac&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i22i30k1l3.6083.14390.0.20690.11.10.0.1.1.0.389.2272.2-7j1.8.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.9.2298…0j0i131k1j0i10k1.0.yHfhexWoI7A
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND GENERAL MORTGAGE CAP 3.5 TIMES INCOMES …
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3092390 (note extensive posts on thread) … and …
  
  … CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND GENERAL MORTGAGE CAP 3.5 TIMES INCOMES …
  
  … Why over recent decades have the Australian and New Zealand banking and finance sectors failed to responsibly advocate for sound housing markets and associated responsible lending ? …
  
  … Dysfunctional housing markets and irresponsible lending go hand – in – hand …
  
  Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
  … also … access background research …
  
  https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
  
  … Normal housing markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income (median multiple) … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times annual household income … refer …
  
  Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
  
  http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
  
  … also …
  
  The Economic Implications Of Housing Supply – Edward Glaeser & Joseph Gyourko
  
  https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.32.1.3
  
  The Effect of Zoning on Housing Prices … Reserve Bank of Australia Discussion Paper
  
  https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2018/pdf/rdp2018-03.pdf
  
  The Urban Containment Effects (Zoning Effects) On Australian House Prices (RBA Report) … Wendell Cox … New Geography
  
  http://www.newgeography.com/content/005921-the-urban-containment-effect-zoning-effect-australian-house-prices
  
  … extract …
  
  • In Sydney, the urban containment effect adds $489,000 to the house price making the annual mortgage payments $29,000 higher. Figure 4 shows the components of the average house price in Sydney.
  
  • In Melbourne, the urban containment effect adds $324,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $19,000 higher.
  
  • In Brisbane, the urban containment effect adds $159,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $9,000 higher.
  
  • In Perth, the urban containment effect adds $206,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $12,000 higher.
  
  • No data is available for Adelaide, but the present median multiple (median house price divided by median household income) suggests that urban containment effect adds at least $13,000 to the mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … When do the authorities in Australia and New Zealand intend to restore normal housing markets … so normal banking and finance sectors can be restored as well ?…
  
  The royal commission changed this week — from awful and dumb to utterly shocking – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-21/royal-commission-changed-this-week-awful-to-shocking/9681942
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:53pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Big Four smacked by UBS downgrade and tightened lending standards … The West Australian
    
    https://thewest.com.au/business/markets/big-four-smacked-by-ubs-downgrade-and-tightened-lending-standards-ng-b88818356z
    
    The Australian sharemarket sank into the red today after UBS and the banking regulator disrupted investor celebrations ahead of the earnings-season start next week.
    
    The S&P-ASX 200 index opened slightly lower, rallied into the black and dropped again to close down 10.8 points, or 0.18 per cent, at 5910.8 the Westpac led major bank losses as the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority tightened the curbs on investor loan growth.
    
    Westpac dived 4.4 per cent after UBS analyst Jonathon Mott downgraded it to sell and slashed its price target to $26.50 from $31 to account for the perceived higher risks to its loan book which had “material deficiencies”. … read morte via hyperlink above …
    
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    April 26, 2018 7:58pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Hugh:
      
      read morte via hyperlink above …
      
      *Hic!*
      
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      April 26, 2018 8:05pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Dover boss collapses at royal commission … Sydney Morning Herald
      
      https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/dover-boss-collapses-at-royal-commission-20180426-p4zbva.html
      
      The banking royal commission has suddenly stopped proceedings after a key witness, the head of Dover Financial Terry McMaster, collapsed while giving evidence.
      
      Commissioner Kenneth Hayne cleared the court room so that an ambulance could be called for Mr McMaster. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      Google Search ‘Australia Banking Royal Commission’
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=ZofhWqDHFomX8wWH14mQDg&q=australia+banking+royal+commission&oq=australia+banking+royal+commission&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0.5405.21165.0.25039.34.17.0.17.17.0.409.3652.2-12j1j1.14.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..3.31.3990…0i131k1j0i22i30k1.0.LlmR5Jxt8hg
      
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      April 26, 2018 8:12pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        WATCH … On Mortgage Underwriting Standards And Risks … Martin Noth … DFA
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jYbhan_HsA
        
        Published on Apr 26, 2018
        
        We discuss Westpac’s Mortgage Book, APRA’s latest missive and US Bond rates. Home prices are on their way down as credit is tightned.
        
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        April 26, 2018 8:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Good timing: Australia Post in talks to become a bank – Michael West
        
        https://www.michaelwest.com.au/good-timing-australia-post-in-talks-to-become-a-bank/
        
        The banks will fight it tooth and nail. Australia Post is considering becoming a bank, a move which could deliver significant competition to the country’s banking oligopoly through lower fees and lower-cost mortgages.
        
        The timing could hardly be better as Australia’s major banks are caught up in the Banking Royal Commission, beset by scandal after scandal and in a weaker position than usual to lobby against prospective rivals.
        
        The rationale for becoming a bank is that Australia Post would exercise its sovereign guarantee and trusted position to access funding cheaply to on-lend to its customers. This lower cost of capital would force the banks to be more competitive in their lending practices and treat their customers better.
        
        The move is a no-brainer, although politically fraught, as global precedent for postal banks demonstrates the private sector has lobbied furiously against competition. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 26, 2018 9:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/you_can_have_population_growth_and_affordable_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-2197092 … and …
        
        New type of poverty hurting middle class … The Canberra Times
        
        http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/new-type-of-poverty-hurting-middle-class-20180426-p4zbsl.html
        
        The banking and finance royal commission has cast light on a new type of poverty to emerge in our society: middle class poverty.
        
        To understand it, we have to go back to an earlier government inquiry: the 1972 Commission of Inquiry into Poverty, conducted by Professor Ronald Henderson. That commission had no real policy impact, but its cultural impact was profound. It gave prominence to the Henderson Poverty Index: a measure of consumption described by Henderson as so austere that it was unchallengeable. Updated versions of this index remain a standard benchmark of poverty.
        
        But more than 45 years on, the royal commission into finance is revealing that poverty is no longer just about low income. The commission has heard that Australian banks have adopted actual lending practices (as distinct from their official lending policies) that claim so much household income for contract payments that borrowers are left without enough money to fund basic consumption levels: they are living in poverty. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        WARCH … On Mortgage Underwriting Standards And Risks … Martin North … DFA
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jYbhan_HsA
        
        Published on Apr 26, 2018
        
        We discuss Westpac’s Mortgage Book, APRA’s latest missive and US Bond rates. Home prices are on their way down as credit is tightned.
        
        … and the same in New Zealand …
        
        A generation of mortgage slaves: Auckland’s house prices leave home owners mired in debt | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/103205338/a-generation-of-mortgage-slaves-aucklands-house-prices-leave-home-owners-crippled-in-debt
        
        Auckland first-time home buyers are being set up for a lifetime of debt and could struggle to save for retirement or raise a family, a housing expert says.
        
        Home affordability campaigner Hugh Pavletich believes the true definition of affordable housing is three times a household’s income. But in Auckland the price boom has seen that figure soar to 8.2 ( HP correction … actually 8.8 times … refer latest Demographia Housing Survey Schedules … http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf ).
        
        Pavletich said this meant buyers were paying on average $552,300 more than was affordable, forcing them to pay higher deposits and mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 26, 2018 10:32pm
- realityczech
  
  That is why the smart money is turning to the, Fidelity Bank of Nigeria, Hugh. Westpac can’t be trusted you are dead right again.
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:55pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=mm_hWqvjO4Hy8AXKma_4AQ&q=ubs+westpac&oq=ubs+westpac&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i22i30k1l3.6083.14390.0.20690.11.10.0.1.1.0.389.2272.2-7j1.8.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.9.2298…0j0i131k1j0i10k1.0.yHfhexWoI7A
  
  That hurts the eyes!
  
  Let me give you some free advice. Imagine that you’re a fashion industry maker and shaker at a fashion show. Yes, I know, not as exciting as a housing affordability campaigner – but stay with me! Now, here’s a question: would you send a model out on to the catwalk wearing a black and blue knitted scarf? No? Well, it might be an idea to look at your comment formatting!
  
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  April 26, 2018 6:56pm
  - Swifty
    
    I ask again, is a Kiwiblogger reaching out for help?
    
    See final line:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103215232/waikato-dhbs-virtual-health-spend-caused-financial-squeeze-insider-claims
    
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    April 26, 2018 7:06pm
Manolo

Will the smelly invaders be alllowed to enter the United States?
http://news.trust.org/item/20180426013839-roovj

Hundreds of Central American migrants from a caravan that crossed Mexico reunited in Tijuana on Wednesday and planned to cross the border together this weekend in defiance of threats by U.S. President Donald Trump to repel them.
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April 26, 2018 7:45pm
nasska

TV1 News:

A humpback whale has been found dead, floating in the Wellington harbour. It wasn’t an American tourist as originally reported.
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April 26, 2018 8:03pm
Viking2

The deaths of men over 65 using electric bikes on Dutch roads have caused the number of cycling fatalities in the country to surpass the people killed in cars.

Official figures from the Netherlands’ central bureau of statistics show a near doubling of deaths on electric bikes in the last 12 months, three-quarters of which involved men of 65 years or over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/older-men-using-e-bikes-behind-rising-death-toll-among-dutch-cyclists?CMP=share_btn_link

Death by electric bike. Who would have thought.
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April 26, 2018 8:42pm
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  Oh dear, and is it correct that Dutch cyclists don’t wear crash helmets?
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:47pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes Jackboot it is correct. It is also true they drink water and don’t drive Holdens.
    
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    April 26, 2018 9:51pm
Jack5

A good way to round off the night …. Jordan Peterson on Jewish intelligence why and on why we all need a better understanding of statistics…

https://youtu.be/JQHH6o9ual8
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April 26, 2018 9:46pm
- realityczech
  
  Just sitting here binge watching him Jacksie.
  
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  April 26, 2018 9:56pm
rangitoto

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/103417714/kim-jong-un-will-walk-across-border-for-summit-with-moon

Will the NK guards think he is a deserter?
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April 26, 2018 9:53pm
noskire

Bat-shit crazy
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