General Debate 25 April 2018

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Steve (North Shore)

Lest we forget
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April 25, 2018 8:02am
Keeping Stock

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
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April 25, 2018 8:04am
KiWombat

We will remember them
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April 25, 2018 8:06am
KiWombat

For many years I would rock up at the local RSA before dawn on this day, and along with a group of drivers take all the old white men into the dawn service with all their banners and regalia.

As the years march on many of those old white men have now passed on – there are very few remaining, and now, as an old white guy myself I still remember them !
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April 25, 2018 8:10am
Happychappy

Just a small query on this committee being set up by the PM to oversee changed to our welfare system. Will the obese fraud and ex Green Party Co Leader be appointed to it and what damage to middle class workers will this do when looking at working for families do. It seems Jacinda wants to give.all our hard earned taxes to the poor and if this is the case our unemployment in NZ will escalate at a record rate.
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April 25, 2018 8:34am
- redeye
  
  I really hope she is, and that they remove all the sanctions. Winston and his band of cretins will be completely vaporised.
  
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  April 25, 2018 8:48am
- holysheet
  
  Metu will be chanting from the battlements of her castle; “Me too, Me too”
  
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  April 25, 2018 8:48am
- Paulus
  
  My early view is that this will see the greatest changes to our welfare system, which will mean that firstly all taxes will be given to those who will not have to work for it. Initially WFF will include all women with children not currently nor ever have been in a working family.
  Why not perpetuate this line so that when the COL collapses it will be enshrined in legislation so cannot be undone – like many other things.
  Frankly Bloody Dangerous and will help destroy our country, even remembering it is ANZAC day.
  
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  April 25, 2018 8:50am
  - Inandout
    
    Will George Soros allow this to happen, after all the influence he has exerted on the CoL? He wants a borderless world and Cindy is the perfect vehicle for this to happen.
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:05am
    - sooty
      
      If you can put in, you must able to take it out! Are you literning ngati national.
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:51pm
- kevn
  
  @HapC… It’s all about giving ‘respect’ apparently.
  
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  April 25, 2018 8:55am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Maybe another life-support opportunity for Sue Bradford?
  
  As I said a few times recently, this is when they try to scrap the existing welfare system and bring in a Universal Basic Income (which requires massive increases in taxation on the working to subsidise the indigent).
  
  A further step to make capitalism in NZ unsustainable.
  
  We’re watching lipsticked and air-brushed evil!
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:04am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes DP Sweet Cheeks is a fan of UNI and Labour spent a lot of time on it before the Last Election. They shelved it because they needed votes and Andrew Littles was a disaster in the polls at the time in which know mater what policy they pushed he was the stumbling block for voters to give Labour their vote.
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:39am
    - CHFR1
      
      Interesting to see Finland scrapped its UBI experiment recently…I wonder why??
      https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/04/finland-ends-its-experiment-with-universal-basic-income/
      
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      April 25, 2018 10:31am
- oldpark
  
  The main architects of the alleged new feather bedding of benefiaciares about to be enacted. Besides the self appointed Dictator Peters .The party selected by grubby Peters, Labour and one of its so called Ministers called Carmel Sepolini doing the changes has a few clues on how to scam WINZ. Not so long ago her mother was caught double dipping,and got a penalty of a slap on the arm with a wet bus ticket.
  Next time who knows.Nuff said.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:39am
- Fletch
  
  Jacinda has a Little Golden Book, “How To F_ck Up New Zealand In Only Three Years”.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:29am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Little Red Book, I think.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:28pm
    - sooty
      
      It will have a hammer an sickle on the cover.
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:53pm
flipper

And while the Pongolian Generals sat in the battleships….

My boy soldier Father, and the like, never forgave them.
Neither, incidentally did Rupert Murdoch’s Father and the Australian Government….. unlike our wussies
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April 25, 2018 8:34am
- GazzaW
  
  …..and nothing changed flipper. Our men marched off to war again in WW2 to be thrown into military disasters in Greece and Crete, sacrificed in North Africa and at Cassino and slaughtered in the night skies over Germany.
  
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  April 25, 2018 8:57am
  - Kimbo
    
    And even more than “the Generals” (which especially included Tiny Freyberg in Crete)
    
    …all of those encounters flipper and you mention bore the stamp of Winston Churchill’s incompetence. And most of them (I’ll exclude North Africa as such, and even the bombing campaign of Germany despite the controversy over it at the time and also later)
    
    …were blunders in which Kiwis paid a high price. When the chips were down, and he was needed in the “Darkest Hour”, Churchill saved Western Civilisation. But outside of that, and especially when he meddled in military tactics, and indulged his obsession to find new, costly and pointless campaigns to “knock out the props” or “exploit the soft underbelly” he was a disaster who got lots of British, Allied and especially Dominion troops killed.
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:19am
    - rockape
      
      If it wasnt for those you hate you would be serving suchi on your hands and knees to your Japanese master!
      
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      April 25, 2018 3:25pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Who do you think he hates?
        
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        April 25, 2018 4:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ rockape
        
        …and thanks for reminding me – Churchill was also also responsible for under-resourcing the defence of Singapore including insufficient air cover providingno aircraft carrier to protect the Prince of Wales and Repulse, and appointing an incompetent commander (Percival)…so that, when “the impregnable fortress of the East” fell
        
        …Australia and NZ, both of whom had the cream of our forces fighting in North Africa, were open to Japanese invasion. Only the presence of the American navy and marine corp kept us safe.
        
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        April 25, 2018 5:07pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        You need to balance your criticisms of Churchill somewhat. The aircraft carrier designated for Force Z ran aground en route and could not be replaced/repaired in time.
        The defence plans for Malaya were unfeasible due to the lack of air force squadrons and then the failure to authorise the seizure of the Kra Isthmus to pre-empt the Japanese invasion. Even had the campaign been fought perfectly, the Japanese superiority in resources would probably have prevailed.
        Although Britain’s pre-war policy had been to hold Singapore, when the crunch came home defence and the Mediterranean theatre had to prevail.
        
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        April 25, 2018 5:15pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ mikewasmild
        
        There were other carrier options open for Task Force Z when Indomitable ran aground. And bear in mind many of the British problems came about as a result of poor conception – they were too arrogant and stupid to consider that the Japanese could travel down the Malay Peninsula.
        
        Yes, you may be right that given the sheer weight of numbers at their disposal in the region, the Japanese would always have eventually taken Singapore. But Yamashita bluffed Percival that he had overwhelming forces at his immediate disposal. In reality his troops were exhausted and in need of resupply and reinforcement. And considering the brutality what awaited most of the troops, and civilians after the surrender occurred, they would have been better to extract a higher price from their enemy than the abject surrender that did occur.
        
        Ironic – for all Churchill’s bluster about not giving away India, the British Empire first began to crumble on his watch with the Fall of Singapore.
        
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        April 25, 2018 6:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ mikewasmild
        
        Yes, you are right that it did have to be “Europe first”. The Americans also prioritised similarly when faced with a war on two fronts. As unfortunate as that may have been for Australia (who withdrew some of her troops from North Africa) and New Zealand (we didn’t), and as bad as the consequences would have been for our civilian populations.
        
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        April 25, 2018 6:10pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        You might be interested in a book by another of NZ’s good historians, W David McIntyre, The Rise and Fall of the Singapore Naval Base.
        There is also quite a good book about Percival, appropriately named Scapegoat.
        
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        April 25, 2018 6:15pm
- G152
  
  Those generals who you are so disparaging of started going to wars as very young cadets and survived to get promoted from front line officers to be the generals you so hate…
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:09am
  - flipper
    
    Oh crap…. G152 you show that you really are as thick as the proverbial pigs***
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:36am
  - VicParking
    
    Or daddy was a Knight or a Lord and they inherited a commission. Then daddy mates promoted them.
    In NZ its called the Ron effect.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:13pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Which of the New Zealand first world war generals do you believe reached high rank due to their aristocratic connections?
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:57pm
      - GazzaW
        
        General Sir Alexander Godley.
        
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        April 25, 2018 3:57pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        More of a careerist, surely. I thought Andrew MacDonald’s book on Passchendaele was unduly harsh on him.
        VicParking’s ignorant comment was about titled relations, anyway, and Godley got high rank through performance. His especial achievement was the preparation of our expeditionary force in a few short years before the war.
        
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        April 25, 2018 5:01pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Around 200 Generals were killed, injured or captured during the war. Which means they were considerably closer to the action than received wisdom would have it.
  
  Overall the death rate for officers was greater than for ordinary soldiers, although junior officers bore the brunt of it.
  
  The life expectancy for a soldier in WW1 was actually better than it had been in Crimea.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:58am
  - GazzaW
    
    ……..the better life expectancy in WW1 was not due to military expertise rather the vastly improved medical treatment of the wounded and the absence of epidemics of cholera and typhoid.
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:39am
    - Viking2
      
      Correct as the Crimea began the reign of Florence Nightingale.
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:22pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    All true. flipper was a moron even before he succumbed to hopeless senescence, but he’ll get some upticks for his nonsense. At least there have been balancing downticks. There are a number of commenters on this blog who have actually read widely about the war and know rank ignorance when they read it from the likes of flipper.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:00pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    James. At least two NZ generals were killed in action during the first world war. But the popular myths of Oh What a Lovely War and Blackadder Goes Forth are very enduring.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:02pm
  - Viking2
    
    The reason for that was the Victoria persuaded the Govt. that they should have a paid professional army. They were not good at giving up titles for position though.
    In Crimea they paid men 10 pounds to join up and shipped them off with no training nor even any winter clothes.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:20pm
- Jack5
  
  Flipper, five British old battleships and two French battleships were sunk in the Dardenelles (Gallipoli) campaign. British sailors showed their usual high courage.
  
  Casualties in the Gallipoli campaign included:
  
  Britain: 73,485, including 21,225 dead
  Australia: 28,159 including 8709 dead
  France: 27,000, including 10,000 dead
  NZ: 7991, including 2779 dead
  
  Allied casualties totalled 141,547, and Ottoman casualties totalled 251,309.
  
  Churchill, who had raised the idea of the Gallipoli campaign, in contrition went to France and served on the front line as commander of a battalion of the Royal Scots Fusiliers.
  
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  April 25, 2018 3:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    An Australian view of Gallipoli: a disastrous campaign but it wasn’t futile –
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/gallipoli-was-not-churchills-great-folly-20110413-1ddzb.html
    
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    April 25, 2018 3:35pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The remarkable thing with Gallipoli is that it is on the opposite bank of the Dardanelles to Troy, where a war was fought for the same strategic reasons 3000 years ago. Human advancement…
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:02pm
holysheet

A Somali arrives in Auckland as a new refugee. He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, “Thank you Mr Kiwi for letting me in this country!” But the passer-by says “You are mistaken, I am a Pakistani”. The man goes on and encounters another passer-by. “Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in New Zealand!”. The person says “I no Kiwi, I from Iraq”. The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops, shakes his hand and says “Thank you for the wonderful New Zealand!” That person says “I am from Samoa, I am not Kiwi”. He finally sees a nice lady and asks suspiciously, “Are you a New Zealand citizen?”. She says, “No, I am from Syria!”So he is puzzled, and asks her, “Where are all the Kiwis?”The Syrian lady looks at her watch, shrugs and says “Probably at work”.
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April 25, 2018 8:50am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet , I guess you have your uses. Namely, proselytising hate!
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:00am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Hate Speeeeech!
    
    Raaaaaayshist!
    
    Sqwawk!
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:02am
  - dad4justice
    
    Go away stupidboy that joke is on the button!
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:02am
  - G152
    
    Bloody humour deficient snow flake
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:10am
    - stephieboy
      
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      G152 , what humour?
      
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      April 25, 2018 9:19am
      - holysheet
        
        Exactly you wanker.
        Wait till you see tomorrows one.
        
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        April 25, 2018 9:24am
  - holysheet
    
    ngentot lu awas
    or
    Odjebi budaletino
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:11am
  - freethinker
    
    Truth hurts.
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:34am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Another gem holy – thank you
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:02am
- GoVege
  
  Holy….I have at least 100 immigrant in-laws.
  Every one of them works.
  It’s the NZ born who have a problem with the concept of working for a living.
  
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  April 25, 2018 3:39pm
  - holysheet
    
    Depends how far back you want to go. Most of us can say we have rellies who are or were immigrants. These new ones are not willing to assimilate into OUR country. They leave their own countries, come here, and then proceed to live the same as life as they lived in their shithole homelands. Then they expect us to change our ways to conform with them. Well fuck that.
    
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    April 25, 2018 3:57pm
    - GoVege
      
      If you’re referring to those bigamists who come here and expect their dozen or so kids to be housed by us, I will agree.
      But most female immigrants take advantage of our access to contraception and sterilization to limit their family size.
      If only the indigenous population would….their stats might improve markedly.
      
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      April 25, 2018 7:15pm
EAD_TWO

We remember their courage, bravery & selflessness.

Like these old soldiers in Britain however, how many would have risked their lives in WWII if they knew what was to become of their nations due to the subsequent actions of Politicians over the following decades:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

They fought against Fascism and as a result of their victory (unbeknownst to them) they made the world safe for Marxism in all its forms.
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April 25, 2018 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO , forgetting they also fought alongside Marxist Russia to defeat Fascism.
  
  Which they did with a vengeance. Partly as a result of Hitler’s ( your hero ) and Mussolini’s ineptitude as commanders.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:03am
DifferentPerspective

A look at the future of policing in NZ

Last year we heard about the police advocating for Orwellian hate-speech policing powers. Currently they’re on JAG’s revenue drive to ramp up income for the CoL’s coffers through persecuting folks going 1kph over speed limits on empty roads.

They’re closely following the ‘thought-police’ model being employed in the UK. If you want to see how bad things will get here with road policing – here’s an example from North Yorkshire police. The response from the Twitterverse is hilarious!

They leave muslim child grooming gangs alone for years and yet they can convict some old fart for 8 months for flipping the bird at a speed camera (not to mention the strange masturbatory breach of privacy it took to post it on Twitter).
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April 25, 2018 9:02am
Manolo

The invaders are at the gates:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/the-central-american-caravan-that-angered-trump-is-nearing

A migrant caravan that began its journey through Mexico a month ago has reached the US border, where its arrival will set up a confrontation between the Trump administration’s anti-immigration policies and US laws that require the United States to grant asylum to people with valid persecution claims.
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April 25, 2018 9:09am
nasska

Worth remembering that our Grandparents fought Nazis so we could be called Nazis for believing what our Grandparents believed.
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April 25, 2018 9:10am
- SGA
  
  Interesting way of putting it, I can see what you mean in some places. On the other hand, Labour was government from 1935 to 1949, our welfare state was created in this period, unions were arguably stronger than now, so I’m not sure it would be a perfect match?
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:15am
  - Harkman
    
    You should read Hayek’s ‘The Road to Serfdom,’ he says the differences between UK Labour and the Nazis in terms of economic policy was next to nil.
    
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    April 25, 2018 10:20am
    - mikewasmild
      
      Well, Hayek had a very fertile imagination…
      
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      April 25, 2018 11:56am
- mikewasmild
  
  I’m particularly amused when people use the term ‘Nazi’ in relation to trivialities like ‘health and safety Nazis’ etc.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:16am
- Scott
  
  Nasska – sometimes you surprise me with your comments. I have you pegged as just a grumpy old fart and then you come out with a very insightful gem ?
  
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  April 25, 2018 1:00pm
SGA

Liverpool 5 Roma 2
Could have, should have, been 5-0, but I would have happily taken 5-2 at the start of the game, so I won’t complain.
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April 25, 2018 9:10am
- Manolo
  
  A very good game. Salah is a master, isn’t he?
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:13am
  - SGA
    
    My goodness, Manolo, you said something nice about a Muslim. Whatever next.
    
    To be more serious, he’s had a fantastic season. Roma must regret letting him go.
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:17am
  - Happychappy
    
    You go back over the years and look at how many great strikers Liverpool have had and lost to the big money, let’s hope they can keep him and go on to win trophies like they did many years ago as it ca only improve the EPL and world football. Don’t forget Roma came back from 3goal deficit to beat Barcelona in the last round.
    
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    April 25, 2018 10:21am
    - SGA
      
      Oh no, I haven’t forgotten that, nor that is was the away goal that made the difference 🙁
      
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      April 25, 2018 10:56am
- Scott
  
  Yes! Great game from Liverpool and Salah, 2 goals and then 2 massive assists. 43 goals for the season from 47 games! Amazing! ⚽???
  
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  April 25, 2018 12:58pm
  - big bruv
    
    That result reminds me of the days when Liverpool were a big club. Still, in true form they will fall at the final hurdle and once again win fuck all.
    
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    April 26, 2018 10:58am
kowtow

Jack5

Following on from yesterdays GD and Irish in WW2.

5000 deserted the neutral Irish army in WW2 to join the British Army to do their bit.
They were put on a post war blacklist , kept secret , but circulated to gubmint depts with instructions , to never be employed.

http://www.thejournal.ie/defence-forces-amnesty-world-war-two-721706-Dec2012/

And this other piece might be of interest, Remembrance Sunday in Dublin was a huge event into the ’30s , till the new republican gubmint used public order as an excuse to push it into obscurity.
Lest We Forget.

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/this-is-why-the-irish-no-longer-mark-veterans-day
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April 25, 2018 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow, the Easter uprising 1916 suggests that the war was not a popular cause with the ordinary Irish.
  
  This poem captures that spirit ,
  
  An Irish Airman foresees his Death
  
  BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS
  
  I know that I shall meet my fate
  Somewhere among the clouds above;
  Those that I fight I do not hate,
  Those that I guard I do not love;
  My country is Kiltartan Cross,
  My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor,
  No likely end could bring them loss
  Or leave them happier than before.
  Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
  Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
  A lonely impulse of delight
  Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
  I balanced all, brought all to mind,
  The years to come seemed waste of breath,
  A waste of breath the years behind
  In balance with this life, this death.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:17am
  - Kimbo
    
    Not so. Those who participated in the Easter Rebellion were jeered at by the citizens of Dublin as they were led away.
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:24am
    - kowtow
      
      Quite so and as usual stephieidiot shows his ignorance.
      Had he known better , which is a big ask , he’d might have cited Yeat’s more famous Easter 1916 .
      
      The poem he quotes is about the death of his friend’s ( Lady Gregory) son . Yeats would have known the pilot well and that poem was a tribute to him , but written through Yeats’ faux Gaelic nationalist romantic vision .
      
      Yeats, like many of the leaders of the Gaelic / nationalist movement was far from being “ordinary Irish” ( whatever that is ) He being from the Anglo Irish tradition ,many “Oirish” especially of the rabid republican type would not consider him to be the real thing, like those other “Irish” leaders of the ill fated 1916 Easter rebellion. The half Spanish deValera , saved from the firing squad by his American passport or the Scottish born socialist James Connolly or indeed the quintessential Irish rebel Patrick Pearse himself , whose father was an English Puritan. You’d wonder if their extremism was born out of having to prove themselves to be ” Hiberniores Hibernis ipsis”.
      
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      April 25, 2018 10:09am
      - Kimbo
        
        Which was the reason why, rather than joining in the “Uprising” that the Easter seizure of the Dublin Post Office was meant to provoke, the people of Ireland scorned the efforts of Connolly et al. Not surprising when thousands of Irishmen were fighting in the trenches at the time.
        
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        April 25, 2018 10:13am
      - stephieboy
        
        Kimbo and kowtow , I see Irish nationalism was all fake and they now all yearn to all return too the Union?
        
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        April 25, 2018 3:03pm
    - kowtow
      
      Jeered by the working class women and children of Dublin because their own husbands and fathers faced this on that morning we remember today.
      
      Dublins , Munsters and Hampshires ,all comrades on V Beach.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKEC2FCo76c
      
      Lest We Forget.
      
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      April 25, 2018 10:31am
    - MCos
      
      As everyone knows public sympathy turned against the British occupiers of Ireland when they executed the leaders of the uprising and perpetrated other atrocities.
      
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      April 25, 2018 11:50am
      - kowtow
        
        Who were the first people shot in the rebellion?
        
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        April 25, 2018 12:08pm
      - kowtow
        
        The British were no more “occupiers” of Ireland than they were/are of New Zealand , Canada , Australia or of Scotland or Wales for that matter.
        
        An Irishman in 1914 had all and every political and civil right that any Englishman had at that time, and that Irishman was as British as that Englishman was.
        
        Ireland was occupied by the Irish who were British.
        
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        April 25, 2018 1:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        kowtow,
        
        Ireland was occupied by the Irish who were British
        
        Codswallop!
        
        Exchange British for English
        
        Fixed!
        
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        April 25, 2018 2:57pm
      - stephieboy
        
        kowtow, who wee the Black and Tans?,
        
        https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/ireland-1845-to-1922/the-black-and-tans/
        
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        April 25, 2018 2:58pm
Manolo

Market wobbles:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/us-stock-futures-dow-data-earnings-tech-and-politics-on-the-agenda.html

The Dow Jones industrial average closed 424.56 points lower at 24,024.13 after rising as much as 131 points shortly after the open of trading.

The 30-stock index dropped 751.21 points from its session high all the way down to its lows of the day.
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April 25, 2018 9:12am
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Grant Bain was a 17 year old Regular Force cadet, although I did not know him we were in the same company and barracks at Waiouru. It was Friday night, we had been in the Army for about 4 weeks and on the rifle range all day. Andrew Reid, second year Cadet and L/Cpl in charge of the section of soldiers had bought back live rounds. He was in the room next to us and at about 8pm we heard a loud bang followed by Reid running down the corridor. We went into the room where Grant Bain was shot through the elbow and neck. Reid had been removing the projectiles from live rounds, tipping out the powder then reinserting the projectiles. When fired the primer goes off but that’s it.
Reid accidentally added a live round when filling a magazine (we kept out M16 rifles in the barracks and were cleaning them), he then played “firing squad” with the first year cadets.

This was a terrible accident, something that was unnecessary and highlighted poor supervision from the Army. I did 10 years but will never forget Grant Bain or the other soldiers who have died due to poor systems, shoestring budgets and the politicians who still won’t supply soldiers, sailors or airman the gear they need to be effective and safe.
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April 25, 2018 9:19am
- G152
  
  And the bullies
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:39am
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‪Seen this?

https://www.facebook.com/1261190663892805/videos/2186320384713157/

This 16 minute video explains why I’m doing what I’m doing.‬

‪Have a look – then give me feedback as to whether you still think I’m a ‘bludger’ or a ‘freeloader’.‬

‪But watch the whole thing first?‬

‪Penny Bright NZ Anti-Corruption whistle-blower‬
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April 25, 2018 9:21am
- holysheet
  
  During last night”s high winds, Penny was killed by a falling tree. A spokesman for Auckland City Council said “we didn’t even know she was living up there!”
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:28am
  - Andrei
    
    It is patriotic to hold our masters feet to the fire
    
    You people who hassle Penny are natural born serfs who bow down to authority – despite them being mediocrities for the most part
    
    FFS the amount of money Penny “owes” in rates and penalities is less than the money the council would spend sending the favoured on a junket to attend one conference held in some expensive resort town in a far off land
    
    I don’t agree with Penny on just about anything except not meekly submitting to authority taking our money without accounting for how they are going to use it to benefit us the citizenary
    
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    April 25, 2018 9:43am
    - The Virgin
      
      Funny thing it’s a Leftwing Council sticking it to her, where your saviour Goff in all this?
      
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      April 25, 2018 9:57am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , I’ve said it before .
      
      The gubmint , be it local or national , gives itself incredible powers when it comes to recovering debts , a power it is very jealous of and which it won’t share with other creditors.
      
      At this very moment the gubmint is also very happy to share citizen’s private details with foreign jurisdictions for the same purposes.
      
      Our media make a lot of noise around social media and the information they have , strangely not so much noise about the abuse of gubmint power.
      
      http://www.ird.govt.nz/campaigns/2017/aeoi.html
      
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      April 25, 2018 10:17am
- kevn
  
  @pwd… If she had at least paid her property rates whilst on her ‘mission’ I might have had a look, but nah…
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:34am
- alloytoo
  
  Did you place the disputed funds in trust?
  
  Did you receive the title “Publicwatchdog” through election or official appointment?
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:41am
  - sooty
    
    No, she pulled out of her arse.
    
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    April 25, 2018 1:03pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:13am
- srylands
  
  I’m not watching it. Why didn’t you deposit the disputed funds over the last 10 years into your lawyer’s trust fund? That would have given you an option to pay.
  
  At the end of the day, the state has the power to force you to pay taxes, rates, and levies such as child support and student loans.
  
  I paid nearly a half million dollars in child support to a woman who was lazy, feckless and mean. That was a much bigger burden than council rates.
  
  You are not a martyr. You are behaving stupidly. And that stupidity will be your lasting legacy.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:18am
- Harkman
  
  “‪Penny Bright NZ Anti-Corruption whistle-blower‬”
  
  If this was true you would be fighting this government tooth & nail each day. But you aren’t.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:27am
- Swifty
  
  Yep, watched it, still no sympathy from me.
  
  What are you going to do with the Givealittle funds pledged? And by when?
  
  What actions were taken and by whom which resulted in a TV news crew interviewing you in a hospital room recently. Exactly how did this come about? You were clearly a willing participant – did you play a hand in initiating this?
  
  What happened to the ‘tidal-wave’ of support you claimed was galloping to your rescue?
  
  Why, like your Givealittle funds, did you not pay them in to a solicitors account annually – to give meaning to your claim that “I had every intention of paying my rates”.
  
  Do you not see that you have no credibility in claiming Council’s actions are ‘draconian’ when they’ve let you get away FOR 10 YEARS without paying your share of the cost of running the city you own property in?
  
  Come on Penny, let’s see some answers to these questions rather than more pre-prepared martyr’ish spin.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:52am
  - stigie
    
    She will be along any moment now Swifty with the answers to your questions //..?
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:57pm
    - Swifty
      
      When it comes to Penny, stigie, I write these sorts of questions for others not her.
      
      Even as I wrote them I gave myself no chance of getting a reply from her. She never answers any inconvenient questions.
      
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      April 25, 2018 1:12pm
      - sooty
        
        I’m glad you watched because I certainly wont and don’t think many will.
        
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        April 25, 2018 5:26pm
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    How is she paying the filing fees for her new Court actions?
    
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    April 25, 2018 7:33pm
- cmm
  
  Penny
  
  Do you really think people will want to spend a whole 16 minutes to listen to your side of the argument?
  
  People have been paying your way and sponsoring your lifestyle for some years now. Why should they give you another 16 minutes?
  
  If you want to make some headway then edit it down to 1 minute tops.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:54am
- burt
  
  Wow, the owner of a freehold house worth $1m who pays nothing toward society in terms of tax or rates claims to be a lefty….
  
  You’re just like a foreign bank Penny, you should be highly ashamed of yourself pretending you’re not a filthy capitalist in the 1% riding on the backs of workers who pay their taxes and people with mortgages who pay their rates.
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:28am
- GoVege
  
  Penny, we’re sick of hearing about it.
  Why don’t you do something worthwhile with your life, as you appear to be retired?
  Winter’s coming up.
  Distribute old blankets to the homeless on Queen Street.
  Hundreds of young girls are being pimped out by their own mums in this city.
  Draw attention to that.
  Nothing the City Council does is as bad as that.
  
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  April 25, 2018 12:33pm
  - sooty
    
    What have you ever achieved in your years of protest?
    
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    April 25, 2018 1:06pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Tax free to I suppose Go Vege so why is Labour allowing them to get away with that, is it because they are not Rich Pricks.
    
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    April 25, 2018 2:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      HC: if you’re referring to the homeless beggars, anybody who has to live literally on the street, is in no position to pay tax IMO.
      If you’re referring to the mums pimping their young daughters….there seems to be a policy in our social services not to prosecute these women.
      I imagine part of the problem is the sheer logistics.
      Most of the mums are “serial breeders”, having kids for the money they bring them.
      If they start jailing the mums, who will look after the 6 to 10 or more kids left home alone?
      (Though I suspect the kids are pretty good at looking after themselves, and their younger siblings.)
      As for taxing the profits….I don’t see any government cashing in on the prostitution of youngsters, do you?
      
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      April 25, 2018 3:52pm
- burt
  
  Penny,
  
  Just think, when your house sells and the rates are deducted from the sale you’ll still be richer than 99% of NZ.
  
  You can go protest at an occupy movement somewhere campaigning against capitalism with circa $800,000 in the bank. You’re a legend!
  
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  April 25, 2018 2:19pm
  - Swifty
    
    Penny Bright is the 1%!
    
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    April 25, 2018 2:49pm
slightlyrighty

The worst failure to honour the sacrifice of those who died on the battlefield comes not from the generals, but the politicians.

After the armistice of November 1918, the treaty of Versailles placed such an onerous burden on the German people that war was the only possible outcome. This was the work of politicians.

After 1945, The peace was managed by Generals, such as McArthur and Marshall, who built a long lasting peace and created the modern German Powerhouse and the Japan we know today.

It should be noted that Patton wanted to continue the war against the Soviet Union. He was a true belligerent but prescient in his view that communist Russia was incompatible with the world that was envisaged by others. I still feel that the allies were forced into a pact with someone that they would rather not have worked with in that regard.
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April 25, 2018 9:27am
- mikewasmild
  
  There’s some pretty sweeping over simplifications there.
  The failure of the 1919 peace was that it was regarded as unjust by everyone involved, especially the French and the Germans. For the French the Treaty was not harsh enough; for the Germans it was too harsh. I wouldn’t absolve the generals form their part in this, particularly the German militarists who promulgated the myth of the ‘stab in the back’ to blame their defeat on the civilians they despised.
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:35am
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    Yep. And it was German militarism in the form of the “blank cheque” to the Austro-Hungarians, and the Schlieffen Plan that violated “a scrap of paper” Belgian neutrality that was most responsible for the war in the first place.
    
    Ludendorff was preparing “the stab in the back” myth right from the time he punted the problem of negotiating an armistice to the civilian politicians. And the door was opened to far right wing-propaganada revision right from the time President Wilson unilaterally issued his utopian 14 points, which were never going to be implemented in a satisfactory fashion.
    
    And because neither the British nor Americans would guarantee French security in 1919 as they later did with NATO after World War II, then the French were insistent the Germans had to be kept weak militarily and economically. And as Étienne Mantoux pointed out in his critique of Keynes’ criticism of Versailles, the Germans could afford it. Indeed, during the Nazi rearmament in the mid to late 1930s, they spent 6x the annual scheduled reparations.
    
    And the terms imposed on the Germans at Versailles were a hell of a lot less severe than what the Germans had imposed on the Bolshevik negotiators at the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in 1918.
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:48am
JibberJabber

Stephen William Hansen, CNZM and High Chief Of Vaiala should tell virtue-signalling snowflake Keith Quinn, MNZM, to go fuck himself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/103371968/keith-quinn-tackles-steve-hansen-over-nontry-for-te-toiroa-tahuriorangi
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April 25, 2018 9:31am
- GazzaW
  
  Keith Quinn should stick to fronting funeral ads or use his language skills and apply for Guyon Espinor’s job.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:55am
Ross12

I bet James Shaw would not like read or acknowledge this
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/24/german-solar-industry-collapses/
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April 25, 2018 9:32am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Sshhhh Ross12
  
  Must …. not ….. question …. the … faith!!
  
  Facts are not needed in the debate about Chicken Little Climate alarmism, just feelingz. That’s what keeps Jimmy Two Mums going
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:47am
- holysheet
  
  It will make no difference to Jimmytwomums. Your average farmer has more in common with green thinking than this wanker ever will.
  
  Socialists have hijacked the green brand. All the snowflakes and Epsom luvvies are brain dead when it comes to their misguided support for the greens.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:47am
- The Virgin
  
  Guaranteed buy back of about NZ$1 kW/h?
  Fuckin crazy, and taxpayers being robbed because of ideology rather than economics.
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And don’t mention Germany’s wind farms
  http://notrickszone.com/2018/04/24/germanys-wind-energy-mess-as-subsidies-expire-thousands-of-turbines-to-shut-down-environmental-nightmare/#sthash.GXtrNHAo.dpbs
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:48am
stinkypete

Meanwhile in Germany Jews are attacked for wearing the kippah and so advised to not wear them
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43884075
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April 25, 2018 9:48am
- Manolo
  
  The Muslim invasion of Germany is starting to pay “dividends”.
  Who said all cultures are equal?
  
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  April 25, 2018 9:56am
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Auckland MÄori Housing Summit to focus on development opportunities … Voxy co nz

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/anzac-day-links-25-april-2018/#comment-3093059 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3093056 … with extensive further posts on yesterdays MB Links thread …

Auckland MÄori Housing Summit to focus on development opportunities | Voxy.co.nz

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/5/309160

… extract …

… Hon Phil Twyford acknowledged the seriousness of the housing crisis for Auckland MÄori with the home ownership rate among MÄori now tracking below 30%. The Minister highlighted the impact this has on intergenerational wealth and resources, reducing opportunities to accumulate wealth to pass on to the next generation. This creates critical long-term impacts that must be addressed. … read more via hyperlink above …

… NOT MENTIONED BY PHIL TWYFORD AT THE SUMMIT…

… WHY ? …

Housing – New Zealand Labour Party

https://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… extract …

… Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out

Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …

Keeping a roof over my kids’ heads is impossible … Rachel Miller … Fairfax / Stuff New Zealand

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/103316320/keeping-a-roof-over-my-kids-heads-is-impossible

A generation of mortgage slaves: Auckland’s house prices leave home owners mired in debt | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/103205338/a-generation-of-mortgage-slaves-aucklands-house-prices-leave-home-owners-crippled-in-debt

Auckland first-time home buyers are being set up for a lifetime of debt and could struggle to save for retirement or raise a family, a housing expert says.

Home affordability campaigner Hugh Pavletich believes the true definition of affordable housing is three times a household’s income. But in Auckland the price boom has seen that figure soar to 8.2 (HP correction … actually 8.8 … refer Demographia Survey Schedules … http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf ).

Pavletich said this meant buyers were paying on average $552,300 more than was affordable, forcing them to pay higher deposits and mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 25, 2018 9:51am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Hugh; it’s ANZAC Day. Give it a rest today mate.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:13am
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    Keeping Stock … Celebrating Freedom Day … which of course includes the freedom to build.
    
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    April 25, 2018 10:43am
    - burt
      
      What about the freedom to save for your own house rather than pay high taxes so people who don’t even work can be given houses when you yourself can’t afford one?
      
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      April 25, 2018 11:30am
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        … so that affordable new housing is ALLOWED ( yes … that’s all ! ) to be built.
        
        Note these Pulte Homes. Phoenix, Arizona, USA examples (building areas quoted are ‘heated areas’. Add approx 36 square metres or 388 square feet for double garage). Then compare with current new Auckland prices …
        
        Pulte Homes Suburban Development Phoenix Arizona
        
        https://www.pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
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        Just google search ‘New Homes … North American city / metro of your choice’ …. for example ‘New Homes Houston’ … New Homes Dallas Fort Worth’ etc etc … to access heaps of other examples.
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        April 25, 2018 1:03pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        First time buyers prefer houses … not apartments … h/t GF …
        
        CoreLogic: First-time buyers prefer houses … OneRoof
        
        https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/34082
        
        … extract …
        
        … However, it seems that houses and other forms of housing, like townhouses, still resonate more with first home buyers.
        
        CoreLogic Head of Research Nick Goodall says: “While we’ve seen first home buyers begin to modify their expectations in regards to sacrificing the quarter-acre dream, it’s mostly shifted to townhouses and other ‘shared wall’ properties rather than apartments.
        
        “The latest data shows roughly 10 per cent of apartment sales go to first home buyers, while for flats and houses it’s roughly 23 per cent of each.”
        
        Apartments also do not match houses when it comes to sales performance. The latest CoreLogic Pain and Gain Report provides an analysis of homes re-sold over the previous quarter. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        EARLIER REPORT …
        
        The future Auckland market – who, what, when and where … Barfoot & Thompson
        
        https://www.barfoot.co.nz/news/2016/march/future-auckland-market
        
        The home ownership dreams of young Aucklanders bear a striking resemblance to those of previous generations, according to the second installment of a new survey looking at their future living plans. … read more via hyperlink above
        
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        April 25, 2018 4:12pm
      - burt
        
        Hugh
        
        So have I got this right, we’ve got to build houses to hand out to people who can’t afford an apartment ?
        
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        April 25, 2018 4:47pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Burt … ha ha ! …
        
        Check out the Pulte Homes Arizona pricing above … and google search ‘New Homes ……(any middle North American city . metro you like).
        
        I was appalled to read above Maori home – ownership rates in Auckland are now down in the 20ish %.
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        United Nations calls on NZ to adopt human rights-based national housing strategy | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102830739/united-nations-calls-on-nz-to-adopt-human-rightsbased-national-housing-strategy
        
        Housing Minister supports UN call for housing strategy | Māori Television
        
        http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/politics/housing-minister-supports-un-call-housing-strategy
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        ANZ says house prices are so high that building your own home makes sense | Rob Stock | Fairfax / Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/103229003/anz-says-house-prices-are-so-high-that-building-your-own-home-makes-sense
        
        NZ Government fresh focus and commitment to sound infrastructure financing …
        
        The Minister of Transport Phil Twyford says there is a “great deal of interest” from private capital providers when it comes to investing in New Zealand’s transport infrastructure – he is welcoming their interest | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/93209/minister-transport-phil-twyford-says-there-%E2%80%9Cgreat-deal-interest%E2%80%9D-private-capital
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        April 25, 2018 5:17pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Kiwi banks told: Prove you’re not dodgy, too | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/103353429/kiwi-banks-told-prove-youre-not-dodgy-too
        
        New Zealand’s big four banks’ parent companies have been found to have mistreated their Australian customers and commentators say consumers should be sceptical of claims things are “different” here.
        
        Australia is conducting a Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry.
        
        It has uncovered serious cases of misconduct, including dead clients being charged for advice. (More details below)
        
        Stuff asked the banks how customers could trust that the same would not happen here. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 25, 2018 5:47pm
PhilP

The Liebore Kiwibuild deficit meter will click over 5000 soon. Twatford, you are a disgrace.

On another note, OQT should be a hoot with questions to Hon. Dr David Clarke, Health Minister, about all the shit running down the walls at Middlemore hospital!!!!!!
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April 25, 2018 9:53am
- GazzaW
  
  I can’t wait for that Phil. ‘Dr’ Clarke has a real short fuse and hopefully Woodhouse can get right under his skin. There’s a big risk that ‘Minder’ Mallard will run some serious interference so the wording of the questions will need to be spot on.
  
  Hopefully Melissa can recommence proceedings too.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:05am
  - SJ Actual
    
    I think it will be interesting to see how National play the Middlemore issue. While the government clearly lied about the problem it’s actually a clever move by them. Many many people will have bought into the narrative. Debating the extent of the exaggeration keeps it in the news and fuels the narrative.
    National may be better off leaving it alone and focusing on areas where the air time will give them more benefit.
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:11am
    - marcw
      
      No, both Clark and Ardern have deliberately misled Parliament and need to be held to account politically as well as publicly.
      
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      April 25, 2018 2:13pm
Kimbo

Meanwhile someone lacking any sense of humour, a chip on their shoulder about Richie McCaw, and with way too much time on their hands (I’m picking a Kiwiblogger, maybe even big bruv ?) has made the following “discrimination against men” complaint:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12038750
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April 25, 2018 10:09am
- Nookin
  
  I think it highly unlikely, Kimbo, that big Bruv would ever intervene in defence of Richie McCaw.
  
  It is more likely that Dad was the complainant. In Dad’s world, Richie walks on water and he would have been absolutely mortified at the prospect of Gemma outperforming him.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:36am
  - stigie
    
    There was Richie, Jock Hobbs and Dad…
    Two of them were great rugby players !~
    
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    April 25, 2018 10:57am
    - Kimbo
      
      No. While Jock Hobbs was a very good rugby player and an outstanding administrator, I wouldn’t rate him rate as great. Tough I know, but he came between Graham Mourie and Michael Jones as the All Black openside flanker…and not forgetting Mark Brooke-Cowden of Ponsonby.
      
      So that must leave Richie and…Dad! 😉
      
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      April 25, 2018 11:19am
      - stigie
        
        Agree Kimbo but i was formenting happy mischief ole chap !~
        
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        April 25, 2018 11:34am
Harkman

“Quick help! Somebody’s collapsed! Better get ‘Dr Megan Woods and Dr Duncan Webb'” Seriously this was how they were introduced at the Chch dawn service at Cramner Square this morning.
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April 25, 2018 10:33am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  They were introduced by their titles? Well, duh. Would you be bleating if Sir John Key or Dame Patsy Reddy had been introduced? You may not like the fact that people with doctorates are called doctor, but the fact remains that they are.
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:00am
  - dime
    
    exactly!
    
    a phd in nz history is nothing to be sneezed at lol
    
    dunno what the other chump did – anything good?
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:38am
  - mikewasmild
    
    It’s a prejudice that I could never understand that Doctors of Philosophy are often resented for using their academic titles while medicos with MB, ChB, academically inferior, are felt to somehow be ‘real’ doctors. Good old Kiwi clobbering machine, I guess.
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Medical graduates are far from being academically inferior to Ph.D. graduates in other disciplines.
      
      The fact , as I alluded to , a couple of days back (on the Teacher name post), is that the title “Doctor” stands for completely different things.
      
      My M-in-Law was Dr N. Wassilieff; however she only held a 3-year degree….. but it was from an Italian University…. and all graduates in Italy are entitled as dottore (for a man) or dottoressa (for a woman), i.e. “doctor”.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurea
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctorate#Italy
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:07pm
    - Jack5
      
      The range of Ph. D.’s has been dramatically widened. You can now get them for practical knowledge such as social work.
      
      There’s diversity in the course providers, too. For example, Whakatane-based Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi is offering Ph. D. courses in Maori studies, indigenous studies, environment studies and education.
      
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      April 25, 2018 3:59pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Remember that this is the co-alition Government that is legislating to limit the title of “Teacher” to only those in education who they deem qualified.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:40pm
Left Right and Centre

Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio, cheerio, cheerio

You stupid overpaid little dumbarse twerp !!
There’s a kindy somewhere missing their part-time special needs fill-in dribble wiping assistant . . .
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April 25, 2018 10:33am
DifferentPerspective

Why would a major oil producer like Russia support Green groups that want to ban oil/gas mining?

Looks like whenever socialists want to ban oil/gas extraction there is a Green movement (like Greenpeace in NZ) around and in the US it seems that the Russians colluded with local the environmental groups to prevent gas extraction in NY state.

So let me see:
– Jacinda can’t find any Russian spies in NZ
– Greenpeace did a showpiece petition presentation for Jacinda
– Jacinda bans oil/gas exploration in NZ
– Ex-Russian ambassador gets put on SIS reference group

Cui bono from all this?
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April 25, 2018 10:40am
- Harkman
  
  This is true, Greenpeace etc were set up and helped by the KGB/Kremlin. The Arabs also fund anti-fracking groups.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:45am
- cmm
  
  Well duh!
  
  Norman is a Commie and he makes no attempt to hide it.
  
  Cindy too.
  
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  April 25, 2018 10:58am
- Andrei
  
  So you put up a link to an article in Swedish about the rape of a middle aged woman by immigrants to support your Russophobic contention
  
  WTF!
  
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  April 25, 2018 12:16pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Well spotted.
    
    But you have to admit it’s ironic how a stupid virtue-signalling libtard got raped by muslim barbarians when she went out to show that there was nothing to be afraid of from muslim barbarians?
    
    Anyway, here is the link to the Russians and the environmental groups.
    
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    April 25, 2018 4:43pm
Inandout

The Nazi word..lol

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/4/24/tucker-carlson-defends-milo-after-crowd-chants-nazi-scum-get-out
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April 25, 2018 10:50am
Jack5

The insanity of New Zealand’s immigration policy confirmed: prostitutes are on its skilled employment list.

The rest of the developed world competes for scientists, engineers, IT professionals, and NZ recruits prostitutes, taxi drivers and pizza parlour staff.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12039013
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April 25, 2018 11:16am
- Kimbo
  
  ….do you want to complete the circle and argue they are driving down wages/taking well-paid jobs away from Kiwi locals? 😉
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:22am
  - Jack5
    
    Kimbo, I suppose you think there should be a skills test for prostitute immigrants.
    
    It might take a year or three to sort out the inspector-job applicants.
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:49am
    - Kimbo
      
      Longer. Gotta have a working group to research it first! 😉
      
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      April 25, 2018 1:05pm
  - Jack5
    
    Kimbo, you ask: “Do you want to complete the circle and argue they are driving down wages?”
    
    That’s what the local ladies of the night are arguing.
    
    I think, from other articles, they also believe many of the foreign imports are more or less slaves of criminals.
    
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    April 25, 2018 3:41pm
- burt
  
  Dont forget yoga teachers. Well, i guess we now need to call them yoga instructors.
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:32am
  - Jack5
    
    And, I guess, dairy (shop) entrepreneurs.
    
    They will tip our balance of payments deficits into surplus.
    
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    April 25, 2018 12:24pm
    - stephieboy
      
      burt , correct! Yoga does contribute importantly to our health and well being unlike concussed rugby players.
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:46pm
      - burt
        
        For sure, let’s make special allowance for foreigners to come here so they can bag our local culture, sports and social behaviours.
        
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        April 25, 2018 2:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X, as a young perver you might like the look of young men in yoga gear.
        
        But yoga is causing millions of dollars worth of injury-treatment costs:
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10786455
        
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        April 25, 2018 3:43pm
ldypen

Have a look through this thread, down tickers and those that change the narrative.. NO bloody respect!

Look, this is ANZAC day, people died doing what they thought was right or what they were told to do. It was a different time with different thoughts, hopes and morals.. these Kiwis and Aussies gave their lives for their countries, families and their mates.. this is THE day that we should all be one, no protests.. lets just be Kiwi’s and respect those that gave their all in ANY conflict… how hard can that be people?
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April 25, 2018 11:22am
- Kimbo
  
  This is General Debate. There is a separate thread for Anzac Day. And there were services this morning.
  
  And no matter what they fought and died for, it included freedom, including of speech. So they are being honoured.
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:25am
  - ldypen
    
    Oh sorry didn’t realise on a general debate thread I couldn’t mention ANZAC day.. won’t do that again and I will make sure not to rock any boats etc.
    
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    April 25, 2018 11:36am
    - Jack5
      
      Kimbo would like you to address him as “Sir”, Idypen.
      
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      April 25, 2018 11:51am
    - Kimbo
      
      Poor attempt to cover your tracks with that “didn’t realise on a general debate thread I couldn’t mention ANZAC day” misreporting of what I wrote. Indeed I’ve made a few posts on both World War I and II above.
      
      And, no, you don’t need my permission to post away, ldypen. I’m just rocking the boat back. 😉
      
      And ignore Jack5. His lack of research skills and/or inability to report facts correctly may just forfeit his place on Kimbo’s kick arse pub quiz team. 😉
      
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      April 25, 2018 12:49pm
      - holysheet
        
        “Kimbo’s kick arse pub quiz team”
        Is that like “Kimbo’s Law”?
        Talk about a condescending conceited prick, eh Kimbo!!!
        
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        April 25, 2018 1:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, that’s the effect I’m aiming for.
        
        So, what specialist subjects would you bring to the table to merit an invite? From memory you fancy yourself as a dab hand on copyright law, so that’s a start…
        
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        April 25, 2018 1:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Give us another chance on the team, Kimbo.
        
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        April 25, 2018 3:45pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Ok, Jack5, but only because you make allowances for my otherwise insufferable egotism while I do the same for your rampant sarcasm. ?
        
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        April 25, 2018 4:16pm
hullkiwi

From the book of the stupidity and double standards of the CoL and what passes for contemporary government administration in Wellington.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12039013

Sorry, but I’m part of a New Zealand that doesn’t need this in our country.

If this passes as acceptable to government thinking in Wellington, can we please let Wellington float away?
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April 25, 2018 11:37am
- kowtow
  
  That article was dated 25 April , not the 1st , I checked.
  
  You can’t make that stuff up.
  
  The death of common sense.
  
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  April 25, 2018 11:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps our local Polytechs need to start offering courses in Escort Work and start upskilling our own folks.
  Probably could go into Hospitality Faculty… but could be shared programmes with Beauty, Body & Hairdressing; Fashion; Sport & Massage; Creative Studies, etc.
  https://www.eit.ac.nz/subject-areas/
  
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  April 25, 2018 12:58pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    I like your thinking Maggy! Plenty of yardage there.
    
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    April 25, 2018 5:52pm
  - Viking2
    
    Plenty of our teenagers are already proficient at that particular sport. all they need is the paper work for their Ph.d in Community Rooting.
    
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    April 25, 2018 8:42pm
UpandComer

https://www.chicksonright.com/2018/04/23/uk-court-rejects-parents-appeal-to-save-their-terminally-ill-child/

Brit doctors murdering a kid. The notion of costs is laughable. They give ISIS fighters free healthcare. But euthanasia won’t be abused.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-school-district-says-parents-cant-pull-kids-from-new-lgbt-sex-ed
Erotic play in California.

Kira Davis, a resident of Orange County, California, warns that among the teaching materials approved for use under this law are a study guide for the transgender children’s book I Am Jazz, as well as a “sexual health toolkit.”

This “toolkit,” funded in part by the George Soros-connected Tides Center, offers kids tips on using sex toys and anal lubricant. It defines “anal intercourse,” “phone sex,” and more as “common sexual behaviors.” It teaches that “abstinence” and “virginity” can mean engaging in a variety of sexual activities, but stopping short of intercourse.

What if you don’t have time or money to buy sex toys?” the guide asks on page C-51. “Cucumbers, carrots, and bananas (with the peel) make great dildos. Just remember to use a condom!”

Lol these are primary school and high school kids.

Instruction must take a positive view of gender confusion, and explore “the harm of negative gender stereotypes.”

Lol and the parents can’t pull their kids out. Their right to ‘disagree’ with the lessons is sufficient.

So what did the ANZACs fight for. Did they fight for the right of vicious ideologues to confuse the gender of children and indoctrinate them into erotic play?

Can anyone tell me how this California initiative amounts to anything then a giant sexual grooming scheme by queer activists?

This is what so hilarious. These grooming nonces say their grooming is to recognise the kids own instincts. But absent the classes, there is no gender confusion. The groomers create the gender confusion. Then they exploit it.

Great grandad didn’t fight in the grand offensive of 1917 for the US army so his son in California could be groomed by the government to be a sexual instrument for the gay community.

But here we are.

There is no slippery slope and it’s just about equality lol. Not supremacy and tyranny, just equality.

Keep a close eye on Labour’s safe schools and the progressives in the National Party. I don’t know what it is (well, maybe I do) but they can’t get enough of telling ten year olds to dildo themselves with cucumbers in schools, be a pan sexual gender spectrum unicorn, and then wonder why kids can’t read or write good.

It’s all erotic play now.

Erotic play and gender racial class consciousness.

So “progressive”.
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April 25, 2018 11:37am
Nostradamus

Auckland mayoral candidates take bus ride with John Campbell

– Victoria Crone
– Phil Goff
– John Palino
– Chloe Swarbrick
– Mark Thomas

Who missed the bus last year? 🙂
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April 25, 2018 12:48pm
Andrei

Definitely one for the WTF file of life in 21st century New Zealand
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April 25, 2018 12:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Andrei:
  
  Nasska summed up the situation like this:
  
  ”Lewis said the increase in number of foreign prostitutes coming over has hit local sex workers in the pocket.”
  
  IOW the locals are fat & dud roots.
  
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  April 25, 2018 12:52pm
  - softail 1450
    
    nostradamus ,probably hit them in another place rather then their pockets ??.
    
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    April 25, 2018 1:32pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    It certainly is a telling detail of the need to boost ‘skilled’ immigration. In fact, as many commentators have pointed out, the average skill level of immigrants in recent decades is lower than the average skill levels already here.
    The real story is that our immigration rate (highest in the OECD for ‘planned immigration’) provides a headline GDP boost while actually reducing GDP per capita at same time as the burgeoning population places too much stress on already inadequate supporting infrastructure.
    But heaven forbid that farmers or restaurateurs should have to pay wage rates sufficient to persuade locals to do the jobs.
    
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    April 25, 2018 1:32pm
- JibberJabber
  
  And yet,
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/103318662/dr-cathy-stephenson-syphillis-is-not-confined-to-the-history-books
  
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  April 25, 2018 2:03pm
kowtow

You bastards ! Never thinking of “others”. Evil , middle class white bastards.

‘KiwiSaver was, in the words of Massey University money expert Pushpa Wood, developed by “white, middle-class Pakeha males” with little regard to the concept of collective family wealth.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/103363421/kiwisaver-couples-planning-tool-being-developed-by-kiwi-wealth
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April 25, 2018 12:53pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Jeezus, it would be nice to get thru the day without some academic muppet having a whinge about imaginary racism.
  
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  April 25, 2018 1:00pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Fuck it. I’m going to buy a tin of “nugget”
  
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  April 25, 2018 5:51pm
Rich Prick

Good God, the media can’t even execute a story about KiwiSaver without finding a token academic and have her mouth off about “white, middle-class, Pakeha men”.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/103363421/kiwisaver-couples-planning-tool-being-developed-by-kiwi-wealth

Edit: ah kowtow spotted it too.
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April 25, 2018 12:54pm
Nostradamus

A polite exchange on the Anzac Day thread…

David Garrett: Kimbo: You are fuckwit..and not just for your puerile “law”

Kimbo: Learn to fucking read properly … Fuckwit

David Garrett: My apologies…I got the wrong fuckwit.

Kimbo: Fuck Off. … So shove your apology up your arse.

Kiwiblog has its own The Contender mini-series!
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April 25, 2018 1:20pm
- Kimbo
  
  Damn! Wish I’d signed a better contract before the series started. 😉
  
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  April 25, 2018 1:22pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Kimbo:
    
    It’s a pity you didn’t give us advance notice. We could have done some GiveaLittle fundraising and offered a “winner takes all” prize – just to give you and David a financial incentive to go more than two rounds!
    
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    April 25, 2018 1:25pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Any chance of an extended guest post from you on ‘Kiwiblog’s Greatest Hits’?
      
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      April 25, 2018 1:26pm
      - RF
        
        Shit… this is better than good sex…
        
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        April 25, 2018 3:16pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yeah, but given David Garrett’s wilful capacity to misread, he’d likely revert to his former profession and fuck up by mistaking the venue on the day for a “rig”, not a “ring” 😉
      
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      April 25, 2018 1:28pm
    - Brigitte
      
      The winner takes all and, given the language they used, the loser would, rather appropriately, receive f*** all.
      
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      April 25, 2018 3:33pm
- holysheet
  
  Better get the right refs then.
  The Devil challenges God to a rugby match, Heaven V Hell.
  God says, “We’ll win hands down. All the greatest players who ever lived are up here.”
  The devil replies, “But I’ve got all the referees and linesmen.”
  
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  April 25, 2018 1:28pm
kowtow

The left in Canada are very PC. In Alberta the policy is not to name people shot by the cops , they are ‘victims” it would seem.
5 minute video.

https://www.therebel.media/media_party_silent_as_ndp_minister_expresses_sympathy_for_attempted_cop_killers
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April 25, 2018 2:06pm
- holysheet
  
  Victims of their own stoooopidditdy.
  Welcome to stooopidboys world.
  
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  April 25, 2018 2:35pm
Monique Watson

Can we file this under ‘W’ for What a Twat:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12039257

US backpacker blasts ‘Pure New Zealand’ as a ‘myth’

God give me strength. What a bunch of lies and drivel.
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April 25, 2018 5:47pm
- nasska
  
  …..”However, he did enjoy learning more about Maori culture”…..
  
  If nothing else convinced me that he was a couple of huia short of a full feathered cloak that was it!
  
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  April 25, 2018 6:24pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    There’s a bit more to te ao Maori than mastering the correct pronunciation of Eketahuna.
    
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    April 25, 2018 6:34pm
    - nasska
      
      I don’t want to get too carried away with this Te Reo crap Bro.
      
      Kia kaha. 🙂
      
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      April 25, 2018 6:57pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        You will need to get used to it in your new home in the Cameron Block.
        
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        April 25, 2018 7:03pm
      - nasska
        
        Ironic though it may be I could probably speak it as well as most of the residents of the Cameron block.
        
        As I’ve mentioned a couple of times on this forum I was, until the age of about seven, brought up on the East Coast deep in Ngati Porou territory. At primary school my brother & myself were the only pakeha & although English was spoken in class the playground vernacular was Te Reo. My old man was fluent in Maori he learnt from fellow soldiers during WW2 although he never advertised the fact.
        
        My bitch is that it is an extremely limited cultural language of absolutely no use to anyone off the marae. Despite millions of dollars wasted on the anachronism not many can speak it, less can read it & as demonstrated by surveys, fewer want to.
        
        It should be allowed to die a peaceful death.
        
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        April 25, 2018 7:18pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        It’s a strange thing for a bitch session. We have plenty of other things to moans about.
        
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        April 25, 2018 7:26pm
      - nasska
        
        True. If people were allowed to make their own minds up about what is worth learning & what should be discarded I’d be happy to let things ride.
        
        It’s only the fact that the language & culture are being rammed down our throats that brings out the anarchist in me.
        
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        April 25, 2018 7:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Would you prefer religion instead? Just offering 😉
        
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        April 25, 2018 7:44pm
      - nasska
        
        Yes oh yes! Please!
        
        I’m 100% immune to your Skydaddy shit. 🙂
        
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        April 25, 2018 7:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Might be time to change Eketahuna back to its original name.
      
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      April 25, 2018 8:35pm
      - nasska
        
        I’d back that.
        
        Mellenskov has a nice ring to it. 🙂
        
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        April 25, 2018 8:42pm
Monique Watson

Actually @RF. No it’s not. It does come close I’ll concede. If you get all your ducks in a row you’ll get the sex done first and then come back on and exchange in gentlemanly discourse. You can even stop for a cigar in between audiences.
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April 25, 2018 6:56pm
- RF
  
  Monique Watson.
  
  Unfortunately I no longer have that luxury as what I used to do all night now takes all night to do.
  
  That’s what my ever suffering wife reminds me.
  
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  April 25, 2018 8:32pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Too much detail…
    
    Just be like the other men on KB and tell fibs about your sexual prowess and proclivities.
    
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    April 25, 2018 8:41pm
    - nasska
      
      I’d never bullshit you Maggy! 🙂
      
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      April 25, 2018 8:43pm
    - Kimbo
      
      And here was me thinking RF was referring to smoking a cigar! 😉
      
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      April 25, 2018 8:44pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      tell fibs about your sexual prowess and proclivities
      
      Hold on – do you mean Johnboy’s been pulling our leg all this time?
      
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      April 25, 2018 9:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think he could write with such empathy about piles and thighboots, if it hadn’t been part of his life experience.
        
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        April 25, 2018 9:55pm

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