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April 24, 2018 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 24 April 2018

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Steve (North Shore)

Righto. What will she screw up today?
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April 24, 2018 8:03am
- Sofia
  
  Jacinda or Penny?
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:09am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Hard to say – they are both rorting Taxes
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:15am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Penny’s D-Day. She has a big enough day today shouting her innocence from her cluttered verandah trying to prevent the loss of her house.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:17am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Just for Penny:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t08RN2yPJik
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:22am
    - harvey wilson
      
      I’m enjoying watching this play out .
      Penny ,if you’re reading this can you do me a personal favour and when the cops show up please give them a reason to taze you? If you can do this in front of a camera so I can watch it a few times that would be great.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:30am
      - waikatogirl
        
        I want Penny to yell out “I’ll show those cynical bastards on Kiwi Blog!” ?
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:39am
      - Jack5
        
        Taser her? That’s pretty tough. Didn’t I read she was suffering from cancer.
        
        I don’t agree with Penny, but she’s got guts. And as far as the Auckland Super City bureaucrats go, well fuck them.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:56am
      - Jack5
        
        Besides, Harvey Wilson, what sort of a sick bastard would want to watch replays of a person being tasered?
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:04am
      - peterwn
        
        As I mentioned here yesterday, it seems she does not have all her marbles and in this context it would be inappropriate to sell up and evict her especially as her erratic actions would put her out of pocket by a few hundred thousand dollars. It is within the Council’s powers to grant relief by deferring the need to pay rates in some circumstances and it seems she may have been offered this on health grounds and declined.
        The most appropriate course of action IMO is for the Council to drop the whole thing and accept (on the basis she is not ‘all there’) and unilaterally grant rates deferral until such times the property is sold. Partial penalties should be applied such that the Council is not out of pocket ie to cover the interest on the marginal extra lending the Council has to do. There is a danger that other ratepayers could try it on, but it is unlikely to be much of a problem since such ratepayers would need to be mortgage free and Penny does seem to be ‘sui generis’. It is a case where compassion is warranted.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:13am
      - GoVege
        
        I’m sure Harvey was just kidding. …I hope!
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:52am
      - peterwn
        
        Don the Kiwi – While any medical practitioner could cause her to be assessed for mental health issues, while being close to it, I doubt it crosses the barrier that warrants the Mental Health Act being invoked.
        It is telling that she has lost support from her associates, they have responsibly recognised that she is going nowhere and no doubt have tried to talk her out of fighting this and offered to help. Compare with this Manurewa woman who lost her house in a rating sale after continuing to accept irresponsible advice from a so-called mentor.
        As long as Auckland Council ratepayers are not ultimately going to be out of pocket over this, which they will not be, this matter is arguably is of no legitimate concern to them and the vocal ones should accept she has ‘problems’ and leave her alone.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:01pm
      - peterwn
        
        She was won a three day period to prepare papers for an injunction and the judge pretty well had to agree as the Council would not be significantly prejudiced. So presumably tenders received by 4pm cutoff will remain unopened for now.
        I am not unhappy with this development. Those treating it as a spectator sport are as detestable as those getting a thrill out of seeing gladiators fight, etc in Roman times – I felt disgusted when visiting ruins of Roman arenas in France a few years ago.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:44pm
      - lofty
        
        What is wrong with you Harvey Wilson, that you would wish such a thing on her?
        If you are trying to be funny…you are most certainly not in my view.
        
        Compassion and probably pity are due, but not physical harm.
        
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        April 24, 2018 7:20pm
    - KevOB
      
      Any relief should be conditional on a psych report ordered by the Court or under the Mental Health Act.
      
      Her penalties are like martyrs badges for activism but ratepayers are entitled to a fair go too. If she is legally unhinged rather than just pushing her issues she needs protection from herself.
      
      My Irish hides a latent anarchist–we all need to live in civil society.
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:31am
      - peterwn
        
        IMO she is not clinically insane, though she seems to be irrational enough to do herself damage. It is very doubtful that the Council on its own could invoke processes under the Mental Health Act. The Council could possibly consult with a psychologist to ascertain whether (at a distance) she has issues warranting compassion. However psychologists consider this ‘distance’ assessment unethical (some USA psychologists have been trying to assess Donald Trump in a similar manner).
        Other ratepayers would not be disadvantages since when the rates and penalties are ultimately paid over the penalties would cover the cost of the Council borrowing money in the meantime.
        The time has come for Penny’s circumstances to stop being a spectator sport.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:52am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        She’s the one turning her predicament into a ‘spectator sport’. She has culpability in that regard.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:13am
      - KevOB
        
        @peterwn
        Any medical practitioner can set the wheels in motion.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:01pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        I have been granted the interim injunction.
        
        In the Minute of Woodhouse J
        
        “[6] In consequence, there are the following orders:
        
        (a) Pending further order of the Court, the respondent shall take no steps, or no further steps, to effect sale of the applicant’s property at 86A School Road, Kingsland.
        
        …”
        
        Penny Bright
        
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        April 24, 2018 7:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        Good on you, Penny.
        
        And I hope things bounce right for you in health.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:13pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Good god,
      She obtained an injunction admittedly for three days.
      I don’t believe it.
      I need strong drink.
      
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      April 24, 2018 3:12pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        3 business days? that means Monday. Can’t say ‘working days’ coz she don’t work
        
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        April 24, 2018 6:17pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        WRONG.
        
        Read what the Judge actually said.
        
        In the Minute of Woodhouse J
        
        “[6] In consequence, there are the following orders:
        
        (a) Pending further order of the Court, the respondent shall take no steps, or no further steps, to effect sale of the applicant’s property at 86A School Road, Kingsland.
        
        …”
        
        Penny Bright
        
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        April 24, 2018 7:02pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        I’m not even a lawyer Alex 🙂
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:26pm
      - peterwn
        
        Steve – three business days of the High Court ie when the Court Registry is open for business, so the papers need to be filed by when the Registry closes on Monday
        Alex – I can quite believe it. The Judge considered a three day delay would not disadvantage the Council. Seems she will argue that the CEO should have personally signed the paperwork. I am rather gobsmacked that the Council’s legal section did not get the CEO to personally sign the papers – that was really a no-brainer. Just as the Judge ruled that the delay will not disadvantage the Council, the judge may equally rule that Penny is not disadvantaged by the papers being signed by someone exercising the CEO’s delegated authority.
        I am a bit surprised at the Judge’s [6](a) comment since it is the High Court that is conducting the sale, not the Council. The practical effect would be that the Registrar (or Barfoots) will not open up the tenders until the Judge orders.
        Even if the Judge rules that the game is up, the Judge would most likely give Penny one last chance to cough up before allowing the Registrar to accept the highest tender.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    You know P is suffering from cancer ?
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:35pm
    - peterwn
      
      She is apparently awaiting test results. Seems Auckland Council are using possible health issues to try and persuade her to accept deferral of rates but considers it cannot unilaterally invoke the process. I consider this is a responsible attitude from the Council who does not want to see one of its ratepayers suffer through her partial insanity.
      
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      April 24, 2018 2:08pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        I prefer ‘consistent and persistent’.
        🙂
        And SUCCESSFUL.
        
        Kind regards
        
        Her Warship
        
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        April 24, 2018 7:04pm
      - KevOB
        
        If Penny is partially insane that can be argued for all other activists whose expressed viewpoints conflict with other societal norms.
        If her mental health is not examined she must be presumed to be responsible for her wilful conduct and following consequences. Otherwise she in an incitement to others to pay as they please.
        A possible cancer is not terminal until referral to a hospice. Penny still seems to believe she is in charge and can do as she desires.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:51pm
      - Sponge
        
        Penny,
        
        My mother died of cancer not very long ago. If you are genuinely sick you have my every sympathy.
        
        I was going to write more but fuck it. I will leave it at that. Be honest with yourself and your supporters Penny. There are no second chances in life.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:14pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  are there any government press releases being made at any varsities today?
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:50am
redeye

She was in labour when I went to bed and has been out on the balcony waving before I got up. That’s a tough sheila.
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April 24, 2018 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and she’s already on her way home. Congratulations to the Duchess & Duke of Cambridge on the birth of their son.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:07am
  - sooty
    
    You just wait untill our Communist Chick Cindy drops her baby. Be like the old days, were the mother would squat at the edge of the feild and produce baby and be back on the hoe half an hour later. Right in the middle of the debating chamber, with the duck assisting.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No-one ever warns you of the ongoing blood storm for days after…
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochia
      Thank goodness I had my babes when 1 weeks’ stay in Hospital was usual.
      All that bloody washing and pooey naps was someone else’s problem for a few days.
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:24am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Maggy, you sound like one of those women who understand the pain that men go through when they have a cold; that is, you have given birth.
        Can you explain why the hospital authorities want to chuck women out so soon after birth. I recall my late mother saying how she enjoyed that week after her seven confinements. Luckily for my wife; after the first child severe complications came on six days after the birth of the first child. If she had been at home I would have fainted with all that blood around. Apparently part of the afterbirth had been retained and it caused all sorts of trouble. I was annoyed because on my parents’ horse stud I used to kick through the mares’ afterbirth to see that it was intact, and the maternity staff had not done that basic task for my wife. If a mare had retained afterbirth she could not conceive on the ten day heat, and the mare’s owner would want to take legal action against the stud for negligence.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:02am
      - stephen2d
        
        @Tauhei Notts: Gold, classic 😀 hail to the chief!
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:07am
      - RF
        
        Christ… I thought kidney stones were bad enough
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:07am
      - SGA
        
        @Tauhei Notts
        
        I recall my late mother saying how she enjoyed that week after her seven confinements.
        
        There is no “one size fits all” model. Some mums, especially those who’ve been there before and know the ropes, just want to go home. My wife was home a few hours after her later births.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Can you explain why the hospital authorities want to chuck women out so soon after birth.
        
        Not really. But of the folks of my vintage who were keen on homebirths or racing home within hours of delivery, I noticed that they had money and supportive family (mothers, sisters etc) nearby.
        
        I had no mother and no other family (apart from Hubby) near Wellington. As the youngest in my family, I hadn’t had a lot of exposure to life with babies, etc.
        
        Yep, the first few days of a baby’s life can be a bit of a roller-coaster for first-time mums…. my eldest started vomiting up nasty bloody deposits on her 2nd-3rd day….. Seems she must have swallowed muck on her way down the birth canal…
        
        I liked hospital food, the warmth of the place, and the company of other new mums.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:11am
      - GoVege
        
        More babies are being permanently disabled thanks to the mantra that “childbirth is a natural process”, not needing medical intervention.
        My grandson had jaundice but was still kicked out after 3 days.
        Shortly after he got worse but the midwife and a GP said just wait til after the weekend.
        Fortunately the kids consulted a paediatrician privately and had his blood tested.
        He was off the chart and re-admitted to hospital.
        If they’d taken the first advice and waited, he would have cerebal palsy.
        This is WHY they “used” to keep mums and babies in for at least a week.
        But these days, the midwives are in charge it seems.
        Apparently this country does not even keep a record of preventable damage to babies, only actual deaths.
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:14pm
    - VicParking
      
      I wonder how quick before the placenta hits the Blender. Smoothies For the Cabinet.
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:39am
      - srylands
        
        Man I saw that a couple of weeks ago. It is like some people stop evolving. A doctor who was asked to comment pointed out that the placenta is like a filter that protects the baby from toxins for nine months. So blending it and eating it is probably not a good idea.
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:56am
      - SGA
        
        @srylands
        Well, liver is a toxin filter as well and people eat that, and I think placenta eating isn’t rare in the animal kingdom as a whole.
        That said, I think the idea is a bit daft.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  meh, we were home within 5 hours of birth for one of ours.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:18am
waikatogirl

A new prince has been born: Congratulations to Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge and Prince William for their new baby boy born overnight at 11.01pm. Arthur is the front-runner name hoped for by the British public. James and Albert are a possibility, or will he be named after his great-grandfather Phillip?
Whats-his-name will be 5th in line to the throne.

Cindy’s sister-in-law is included in the official NZ gift givers with a white cotton romper suit embroidered with a buzzy bee on it. As well there are some childrens’ books and a woolly blanket.

And just for redeye above, Kate left the hospital 7 hours after giving birth.
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April 24, 2018 8:03am
- sooty
  
  H1 was left in London to deliver the NZ present.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:23am
- MCos
  
  I believe her name is Katherine!
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:23am
  - Kimbo
    
    You Republicans just hate royal births, don’t you? Can’t blame you really, and it isn’t fair. All these objectively good arguments about why a head of state not who is neither a New Zealander nor even resident in our own country is an anachronism, they should be selected by choice and merit and not on an accident of birth, the sheer cheesy emotionalism of baby pictures that shouldn’t sway the important constitutional considerations
    
    …and yet it does! 😉
    
    But that’s what you get for hating on his Royal Majesty, Tom Jones!! You commie bastard!! 😉
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:34am
    - MCos
      
      I wonder if Sir Tom was out on the footpath playing the banjo and singing a duet with Sir Rodrick Stewart of Hard Dazed Knights?
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:42am
  - Kimbo
    
    Behold, the Prince of Wales! 😉
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3_KP6yUWEw
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/general_debate_23_april_2018.html
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:37am
- Harkman
  
  “11:01 PM” I was watching BBC and CNN late NZ time and nothing. But they did have an interview with Just-Cindy, and I honestly cannot remember a single substantive thing she said. And compared with 10 months ago, she looks terribly ill, this pregnancy is taking its toll which Winnie will be delighted about.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    Nah. It’s the jet lag!
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:50am
    - Paulus
      
      Look she travels very first class in her own RNZAF B757 specially adapted for VIPs with staffing accordingly.
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:29am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Not to the UK. She would have travelled business class on Air NZ. Ly flat bed but two 12 hour legs are still quite tiring.
        
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        April 24, 2018 4:51pm
      - sooty
        
        You mean she didn’t get the king size bed, mirrored ceiling, gold plated jaquzzi etc and mile high admittance.
        
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        April 24, 2018 7:35pm
rightoverlabour

More shit from the PC brigade… I feel that Michael Angelo was a bit sexist so we’ll shut down half of Italy will we?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/103320304/kaumtua-disgusted-at-gallerys-efforts-to-show-colonial-painting-citing-racism
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April 24, 2018 8:06am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  “The painting depicts armed Māori driving away cattle at the foot of Mt Taranaki, called Mt Egmont in the painting, which Moeahu said inferred Māori were stealing from pākehā settlers.”
  Well they were not taking them for a morning walk.
  If the hat fits, wear it
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:13am
  - sooty
    
    No! It was just the nice men taking the cows into the shed to milk them for the local farmers.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:52am
    - stephen2d
      
      Before they brought them their breakfast in bed!
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:09am
      - 4077th
        
        The Wahini’s should be cooking some eggs to bro!
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:01am
    - RF
      
      In the days of savages they liked their long pig well done and beef medium rare.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:13am
  - UpandComer
    
    It actually shoes their culinary advancement. They were raw paleo hundreds of years before time. Amazing.
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:55pm
holysheet

In fairness to all these weirdos out there, the new royal baby (no not cindy’s) should be called Albert Elizabeth. This way, when it is of age, it can decide which gender and name it wants.

If I had a dollar for every kind of gender that exists I’d have $2.00 in real cash and 100’s of fake money.
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April 24, 2018 8:06am
- VicParking
  
  He will be called Zee Highness Mohammad of Cambridge. The most common name in the UK.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:45am
  - MCos
    
    Wrong religion.
    I understand Arthur is right up there. If something terrible happens to the four in line before him he would become King Arthur.
    Now wouldn’t that be something!
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:31pm
JIV

Is it my imagination or has Stuff fallen out of love with the selected PM. Even a once in a lifetime trip to see the socialists running Europe only got a few puff pieces about whether Merkel liked her and how well she wore a feather cloak to that fancy dress dinner she had.
One thing I have found annoying is the lack of political pieces that have a comments section. Perhaps the avalanche of negative comments got too much. It sure was fun to vent though.
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April 24, 2018 8:07am
- Chris R
  
  Jacinda wearing feathers is fitting given she has an inexhaustible supply of them in her “feather-brain.”
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:09am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Heard on the Red Radio this morning talking about the cloak. She said “she was loaned it by the local iwi in London.”
    
    I don’t usually swear, but FFS, when did Ngati Rhanina (the Maori cultural group in London) get elevated to the status of being an iwi?
    
    As someone who has had dealings with Ngati Rhanina in my past, I know they can be a precious bunch of pricks, but calling a disparate bunch of Maoris from NZ is taking the piss!
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:20am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Sorry, but last sentence was meant to read:
      “….but calling a disparate bunch of Maoris from NZ an iwi, is taking the piss.”
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:40am
      - Komata
        
        HK
        
        BUt because she believes it to be so, it is…
        
        Isn’t fairy dust wunnerful?
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:10am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Komata, when you are an air head and are vague/vacant like Cindy, fairy dust will make all things so.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:49am
      - Piniwi
        
        @ Still needs correcting as it is a tribe in English with the other being the earliest mionation of the official language on NZ.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:51pm
    - cmm
      
      “when did Ngati Rhanina get elevated to the status of being an iwi?”
      
      Any idea when their Treaty claim is getting settled?
      
      And topped up?
      
      And topped up again?
      
      These people should not be denied Treaty claims just because they live outside NZ.
      
      Rānana was the first Maori city to be colonised – first by the Romans, then by the Brits. There is lots of historical pain and it needs to addressed.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:12am
      - hullkiwi
        
        cmm, don’t encourage them. They’ll have their hands out & claimed customary rights and treaty settlement faster than you can offer to tell them that you have a really good gig for them at Wormwood Scrubs and that they should stay there all expenses paid c/o HM UK Government (Prisons).
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:02pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Well cmm It’s a bit of a conundrum for the tribe as latter is greater but early birds get more top ups.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:53pm
    - KevOB
      
      What mana do they have?
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:39am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Kev, if you’ve ever dealt with them. You’ll know they are afforded too much mana.
        
        Dealing with them, in representing a NZ organisation either cost you more, or you had to walk on egg shells not to offend their mana. All so you could have a genuine Maori performance for your event.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:54am
      - KevOB
        
        @hullkiwi
        
        Mana is deeper than cultural self misappropriation. I would expect the PM if she appeared in public in a korowai that it would be one of serious tribal significance and bestowed as such.
        
        Costume decoration from a local Maori club does not cut it but the PM has done nothing yet to merit such honour.
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:55pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Kev you are not saying anything, that none of us didn’t think. But you trying running a Kiwi function in London without pampering the egos of Ngati Ranana.
        
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        April 24, 2018 5:08pm
    - KevOB
      
      Ngati Ranana–London Maori. They have no more status than any other purveyor of services.
      
      It’s time we got to grips with who is who in Maoridom. Ngapuhi can’t even find one agreed representative.
      National at least recognised tribal leaders but they seem to have gone to ground. Are Maori now to be run by the govt.?
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:58pm
  - holysheet
    
    Some one should restock her supply of white feathers. She will soon be chucking in the towel when she has the baby of the nation.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:21am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think Macron, Merkel & May would see themselves as socialists.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:27am
  - JIV
    
    Fair enough, too early in the morning to be typing thoughts.
    Actually I got the impression that they were far from impressed by our political offering. Merkel seemed especially bored
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:47am
- lifesgood
  
  I have just had a look at stuff for the first time in a while. An article about the col not doing enough for the region’s. Amazing to see that nearly all the comments and hundreds of upticks oppose the col.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I’d be interested in what Macron and May said (5 eyes partners)to her before the 5 eyes meeting. That caused her to change her statements on the subject.
  Handy slap????
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:52am
  - MCos
    
    France is not a five eyes partner.
    
    Oz, NZ, Canada, US, UK, four of whom were there, so it was a four eyes meeting & only Turnbull had four eyes
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Not the point
      France and the UK were both involved in the air strikes.
      UK is a 5 eyes partner, the rest of the 5 eyes partners
      USA….involved
      Canada…. unequivocal support
      Australia ….unequivocal support
      NZ changed stance and still less than mild support., But now better (after meetings) and more supportive.
      France and UK giving handy slap to JA?
      
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      April 24, 2018 4:43pm
Inandout

Toronto experience their first van driven killing by an arrested bald man. His identity?
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April 24, 2018 8:07am
- VicParking
  
  Get it right it was a “White” Van.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:47am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The Police claim they have *no clue* what his motive might have been. Funny, anyone who has watched the news in other countries over the last decade has a bit of an idea…
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Stop van violence now, ban all vans.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:53am
    - 4077th
      
      Certainly dispels the myth that the AR is the most dangerous weapon a civilian can possess. I won’t make an obvious comparison.
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:33am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Better send them JAG(uar) on permanent loan, so that Toronto can enhance the safety of pedestrians from White van man!
      
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      April 24, 2018 6:10pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given the police arrested the guy (after he urged the cops to shoot him), why Don’t they just ask him? Subject to the fact he will not be going anywhere soon!
    
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    April 24, 2018 6:07pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  I’m sure this was all just a misunderstanding and the driver will be a “Canadian National”
  
  Nothing to see here. Nothing to comment about religious cults.
  
  Much apologism to follow to be certain. Victims will be blamed for occupying the sidewalk in an Vanophobic fashion and having brought it upon themselves for their vile hate-walkfulness.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:36am
- Rich Prick
  
  It’ll be an Allah Akbar moment without a doubt.
  
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  April 24, 2018 10:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick, what next?
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:00am
    - simpleton1
      
      “What next?”
      Bollards!! is the answer.
      
      Some city council slipped up and not supplied a basic necessity of modern day living.
      They will have blood on their hands.
      
      Simply not enough bollards!
      One can not have enough bollards.
      Bollards will give off great feelings of safety, for the ones that believe.
      
      They do not come cheap, as it takes the most costly ones, that can even stop a truck, believe it or not.
      A multi-million dollar industry, to research for effectiveness, architectural must have, for all modern day places. 🙂
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:18am
      - lofty
        
        In most of Europe now, bollards are so yesterday, anti tank traps are the barrier of the day in many places.
        
        The beautiful market square in Brussels has them fitted at each entrance to the square. Prettied up of course with flowers and greenery, but substantial barriers none the less. Supplemented with heavily armed serious looking soldiers of course.
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:09pm
      - kowtow
        
        They need borders , not bollards.
        
        But it’s too late.
        
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        April 24, 2018 5:31pm
      - sooty
        
        The humble road cone is no longer adequate!
        
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        April 24, 2018 7:43pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      What next? My money is on either an Islamic beheading in London or an Islamic bombing in Paris.
      
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      April 24, 2018 12:21pm
      - MCos
        
        I’m not sure what you guys are having a pissing contest about, but it’s worth remembering that in North America senseless mass killings are not confined to religious extremists.
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:40pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        North America is only catching up with Europe.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:15pm
      - Kimbo
        
        My pick would be the Americans, British and French bombing Syria.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:24pm
- UpandComer
  
  Trudeau says that returned ISIS fighters lavishly gifted with tax payers money are the new exemplars of the Canadian.
  
  He is a dog fucking bottom.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:47pm
Chris R

I was disappointed in Taranaki locals for seemingly giving the cabinet minister Woods an easy ride yesterday. I suppose I more or less hoped for riots, pitchforks and the throwing of rotten vegetables in response to her government’s lunacy regarding oil and gas exploration/extraction. When the CoL comes to smash the Taranaki dairy industry I hope the response from the locals is less muted. You know it must only be a matter of time!
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April 24, 2018 8:07am
- Prince
  
  People who work for a living don’t have time, nor the inclination, for dramatic gestures. They get on with their lives and express their view at the ballot box.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    Maybe if she announced she was going instead of sneaking in the backdoor.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:28am
  - Chris R
    
    In Taranaki they’ve already expressed their views through the ballot boxes and it is obvious there’s no votes for the CoL there, so the CoL has open season on local interests.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:31am
  - Piniwi
    
    True Prince but after almost a decade of such antics from the left there is now a generation convinced that is how things are done. The more interesting one is if the nurses threat of strike action can be stalled long enough for sweet cheeks budget? He has promised them to expect a “bump”. The fun will start if it turns out to be a bad case of flatulence and is all gone in a poof ops puff.
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:01pm
- tf78
  
  Good to see David Seymour made a trip down there to see the locals and emphasize the affect it will have on the region.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:47am
Steve (North Shore)

A white van has killed at least two people on a suburban Toronto sidewalk after jumping the curb, witnesses say.
That would be a fully semi automatic van with a bump stock, we need to ban vans
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April 24, 2018 8:08am
- holysheet
  
  Stooopidboy called the muslim version of the samaritans helpline and said “I am having suicidal thoughts.” They said fantastic and asked him if he could drive a van.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:11am
- VicParking
  
  Ban White Vans
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:48am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Nonsense! It was an assault Van. No one needs to have an assault van in this day and age.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:37am
  - holysheet
    
    They cannot ban old white vans. Think of all the homeless in their old white bongo vans.
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:08am
    - RF
      
      Lordy me. It used to be black dogs now it’s white vans causing mayhem on our roads.
      
      The common excuse was … I served to avoid the black dog.
      
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      April 24, 2018 1:11pm
  - Komata
    
    VP
    
    If you did that a certain footwear manufacturer would be VERY uspset, although the white ones would become instantly collectable…
    
    (Just saying)
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:16am
- Huevon
  
  Sadly it’s only a matter of time until NZ is hit. A large van careening down strep Queen St would be devastating. During busy periods those broad footpaths carry 1000s of people. The death toll could horrific.
  
  We really should install barriers…..deporting Muslims would also help.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:36am
  - Komata
    
    Huevon
    
    But because islam is a ‘religion of peace’, the perpetrator would be a ‘lone wolf with a severe mental disorder’.
    
    Would you care to buy a bridge; easy terms…
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:18am
  - MCos
    
    By your logic it would make just about as much sense to deport Americans from NZ or maybe find out what sort of people are responsible for the mass shootings they have over there and put them on a plane home.
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:49pm
    - Sideoiler
      
      …….. or maybe find out what sort of people are responsible for the mass shootings…….
      
      Democrats is the word you are looking for.
      With very few exceptions they are democrats.
      
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      April 24, 2018 1:04pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Liberals. Or deep statists supplemented with crisis actors. Or programmed mentally ill.
      
      Also black people. Every week black people kill more people then ‘alt whitey’ does in a almost a whole year. So you’re an incredible racist. Even I don’t think all African Americans have to go back as they arrived at the same time as the new colonists. Many do. But certainly not all. They are American.
      
      But of course you didn’t really mean to extend logic in any direction.
      
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      April 24, 2018 1:51pm
holysheet

I’ve been reading ‘Lord Of The Rings’. Apparently Gollum was once a normal man. But wearing the ring drained him of his youth, energy and any joy in life.
Must be the same ring I put on when I got married.
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April 24, 2018 8:10am
- RalphT
  
  I take it Mrs holy won’t be reading KB this morning? Or is this your farewell comment?
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:17am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah shes got a heart of gold. Must have living with an old fart like me.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:23am
    - sooty
      
      The poor woman must be exhausted after you lost your youth,energy and joy of life. Let her have a ly in. Go and get the poor woman a nice cup of tea. There’s a good boy.
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:31am
- Ed Snack
  
  Gollum was a hobbit basically, at least according to Gandalf.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:21am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    He was a hobbit of the Anduin Vales.
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:54pm
- softail 1450
  
  holysheet,you didnt sell it on trade me did you ?half of my mates may have bought it from you ,,,,,,
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  holysheet,
  
  A man’s role is to pass his youth, energy and joy of life to his children, so that society can sustainably continue.
  At 50 you are not the man you were at 30, and you will be different again at 70.
  Embrace the phases of life.
  The memories you impart in your children will exist long after your death.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:34am
  - GoVege
    
    Beautiful, Odakyu.
    I only had one grandparent and he died when I was ten.
    But I’ll never forget him making orange cordial drinks for us.
    Grandparents are very precious.
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:23pm
- Fletch
  
  I think Gollum ended up that way up after masturbating all the time 😉
  
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  April 24, 2018 10:34am
- NZpatriot
  
  Holysheet, that is super funny, really made me laugh. If you came up with that yourself you should make jokes like that more often. Thanks.
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:35pm
Im Right

Middlemore pouring sewerage proved to be a crock and a political beat-up, 1st tree planted by jones when the target is now 50,000,000 behind schedule…just 2 topical items to be asked of PM on the AM show, and what did we get? best neutral colours for babywear and how cool is it to meet the queen!?! Pffft
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April 24, 2018 8:13am
- softail 1450
  
  im right, tv3’s breakfast show is a pathetic joke ,you’ll get more satisfaction watching infomercials…..
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yep, trying to include Clarke, after Cindy’s pardner, in their poll as a suitable name for the new prince is an attempt at pathetic try-hard and smacks of being sycophantic.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:34am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand Calamity Cindy is offended by comments being made about her latest squeeze, Clark e with an “e” by some women repeaters and comments from her sex.
      She must think that they are jealous – she has a lot to learn.
      He apparently has been very untrustworthy in the past and others are aware of it. A true egotist.
      He should not set himself up so he can be shot at.
      
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      April 24, 2018 1:40pm
  - Im Right
    
    You may well be correct Softail, but when it’s a toss up between TV1 and TV3 breakfast shows I’m afraid TV3 wins hands down (not unlike the choice of Clinton or Trump, both terrible but gotta pick one to vote for) at least TV3 has some insight with Mark Richardson showing his anti-Labour, anti-Greens rhetoric and on occasions Duncan Gardner giving the odd verbal serve to current Govt. whereas TV1 is all about the feelz and how wonderful NZ is now the COL are in power.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:36am
    - lifesgood
      
      I just saw a clip on FB of Cindy being interviewed by Jack tame. I didn’t have the sound on but jack was almost swooning with adoration. Urrgh!
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:11am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Yes, led by Tin Tin
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  Fake news, he planted five trees
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:50am
  - KiWombat
    
    I see DPF has changed the counter !
    
    As if anybody would notice the difference !
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:29am
- oldpark
  
  Seems there was more shit around the mouth of Ardern and David Clark the ex parson who masquerades as a doctor. The hospital never had any shit or sewage running down the walls of that hospital, built in the era of” Commie Chic Comrade “Arderns puppet masters Helen Clark and Heather Simpson.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:22am
Inandout

Shania Twain made a brief ‘comeback’ and immediately spoke too truthfully.

“I would have voted for him because, even though he was offensive, he seemed honest,” the newspaper quoted her as saying. “Do you want straight or polite? Not that you shouldn’t be able to have both. If I were voting, I just don’t want bulls**t. I would have voted for a feeling that it was transparent. And politics has a reputation of not being that, right?” Twain said.

On cue the raging Leftists swamped her with vitriol and she was forced to withdraw her statement about Trump. My advice to Shania: stay retired girl.
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April 24, 2018 8:16am
- MCos
  
  Not only is she not retired she’s out here in NZ at the end of the year.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:36am
  - backster
    
    Not a bad voice either.
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Shania owns a very large South Island property, but is generous in allowing the public access to much of it.
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:43pm
- Im Right
  
  Inandout, THIS is why the Republicans in the US are in power as most of the voting public cannot stand the ‘righteousness’ of the Democratic Hillary loving tweeters and social network luvvies, who just attack anyone who they think is praising/supporting Trump and they don’t realise they are digging the democratic party grave one teaspoon of soil at a time.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:42am
  - Inandout
    
    Sometimes, albeit rarely, a famous person remains pro-Trump. They still seem to survive.
    As for the Democratic downward spiral it shows how constant carping about him highlights the desperation of the Left. Meantime the screws on Hillary & Co are tightening and the shit will hit the fan soon. Sessions will have to nail his loyalty to the mast, or else he is a goner.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:49am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Like Tim Allen, a republican, whose show ‘Last Man Standing’ in which he played an outspoken business owner and father of 3 teenage girls, was cancelled after a joke about Hillary Clinton was included in the comedy show.
      
      Tim was best known for “The Toolman” Taylor on Home Improvement.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:05am
      - Nev.
        
        I thought he was best known for trying to import a kilo or 2 of cocaine into the USA and snitching on his mates to get a lighter sentence.
        Nev.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:02am
    - Komata
      
      I&O
      
      Concerning Mr Sessions: He seems to be trying to play both ways, and evidently doesn’t appreciate that he was hired by the President (a businessman, never a politician) for his abilities, NOT his politics, in the same way that, to date all the presidental hires have been; on ability, not on political associations. What Mr Trump did not appreciate in his innocence, was that in the rarified air of DC, its politics first, not America. On that basis, he hired Mr Sessions, believing him the best and most suited for the task. So far however, Sessions ‘abilities’ have been less about what is required and more about not wanting to ‘offend’ anyone; especially his swamp-mates. On that basis, I doubt that he will last much longer. As I already noted, Mr Trump’s attitude is ‘I gave you a job to do; do it and I will reward you. don’t and you’re gone’ and the Sessions ‘recusal’ over the Mueller ‘Russian’ matter was, at minimum, a shock to a man (Mr Trump) who was used to managing businesses and had never contemplated the fact that his appointee might actually be dead-keen to oppose whatever he proposed.. I don’t see any evidence that Mr Sessions has changed his viewpoint or is even remotely interested in the idea of MAGA. He’s stalling for time, playing evasion, stonewalling and generally trying to avoid at all costs doing his job, especially in relation to the Clintons. No matter which way its viewed, ultimately he is NOT doing what he was hired for. I believe that Mr Trump has shown extraordinary patience, but suspect that the Sessions tenure is coming to an end. When that happens, cue the usual CNN-led hysteria, while Mr Trump just gets on and does exactly what he has intended to do from the start: MAGA.
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:37am
      - UpandComer
        
        The problem is finding a replacement who isn’t compromised by the deep state or a Zionist. Trey Gowdy is a swamp creature. Can’t be him. So it’s hard.
        
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        April 24, 2018 3:26pm
- Harkman
  
  If Shania ain’t a Hollywood Marxist then I’m liking her. BTW does she still have a home here?
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:46am
  - lifesgood
    
    I think her ex-husband, by the name of Mutt, yes really, got the South island home.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:13am
  - stephen2d
    
    Nope, she split up from her husband and later sold it. Presumably to no one with a Chinese sounding name. Not sure if H1 was there to greet the new owners!
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:19am
    - dime
      
      didnt mutt donate it to the nz govt or something?
      
      im sure there was an act of good will in there.
      
      also, Mutt product Highway to Hell, Back in Black and Hysteria. Mutt is a legend.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:50am
Poppa

Hey Phil
How many houses have been built today?

Yeah I know, shouldn’t ask those type of questions
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April 24, 2018 8:17am
- KiWombat
  
  My thoughts exactly Pop.
  
  We do tend to overlook that one of Twitford’s soundbites was that “We plan to build 10,000 houses every year, many of them affordable.”
  
  We are now learning that “planning” and “building” are two mutually exclusive concepts !
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:30am
  - holysheet
    
    Be fair, the “YEAR” hasn’t actually started yet. Just wait for them to get started.
    The sawdust will pollute the air and block out the sun. The greens will call a halt to work as this will be hastening global warming, and Cindy will call for a report and blame National for all of it.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:41am
  - VicParking
    
    Building is the lefts word for waffling
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:52am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Unlike Taxcinda giving Sep(tic)aloni the hospital pass “of doing a serious piece of work and making comprehensive announcements in the next few weeks”. This was on Red Radio this morning with reference to fixing the culture and lack of nouse of WINZ staff in dealing with tip offs regarding potential rip offs by a beneficiary (seems they got it wrong).
      
      A lot of waffle to say Sep(tic)aloni will do nothing.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  Poppa, Don’t ask too much of Twitford. He is such an abject failure at building houses he has left it to the Minister of House Building, he instead is turning his attention to fixing “basket case Auckland” and it’s transport problems. Given the demonstrated lack of knowledge/experience by both Twitford & JAG(uar), expect them to fix nothing and for a fortune to be wasted for no discernable benefit.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:56am
- Inandout
  
  What a joke. Insurance companies used to have builders on their books looking after claims, but no longer. They found it impossible to get a builder at short notice, however Twitford has some of Cindy’s magical powers and he is probably looking at 3D production.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:10pm
Ross12

I’m not a fan of Macron but this shows a lot of class

“….. President Macron will bring with him a gift, offering to President Donald Trump and the American people, an oak sapling taken from Bellau Wood, about 60 miles northeast of Paris in the Champagne region. The site is where a famous World War One battle took place, where the U.S. Marine Corps repelled a German offensive in the final year of the conflict almost exactly a century ago.

The sapling grew close to the so-called “Devil Dog” fountain, a spot that has become legendary within Marines ranks. It is where U.S. soldiers are said to have gathered after the battle. The “dog” in the fountain’s name refers to its spout, which resembles the head of a bull mastiff. But the nickname also stems from the German moniker “Teufelhunden”, or “devil dogs”. That term is said to have been used by the Germans to describe the U.S. Marines due to the ferocity with which the Americans fought.

As a consequence, “Devil Dog” soon became a common nickname for U.S. Marines. “
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April 24, 2018 8:30am
- holysheet
  
  Trumps state visit to the UK was cancelled, due to adverse weather conditions. Too many snowflakes!
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:45am
- Kimbo
  
  Also the occasion for the famous quote, “Retreat, hell! We just got here.”
  
  https://www.legion.org/stories/other/retreat-hell-we-just-got-here
  
  Almost as cool as the apocryphal radioed request from the besieged commander on Wake Island in December 1941: “Send us more Japs!”
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:46am
EAD_TWO

I thought Britain had reached peak instantly but now this

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2018/04/living-in-madhouse-st-stephen-lawrence.html?m=0

Murdered gangster St Stephen of Lawrence is to get a national day of remembrance!

This is not an April Fools Joke – Theresa May announced this today to coincide with St George’s Day celebrations.

Will it fall between Lee Rigby day and Kriss Donald day in the run up to Rotherham rape victim fortnight? This is so ridiculous it can only cause aggravation and hopefully a backlash.

Pardon the language but f*** the so called “right wing” Tories – utter traitors to the English nation who should be tried for treason.
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April 24, 2018 8:32am
- EAD_TWO
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/988522001072558081
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:20am
- Kimbo
  
  Makes one wonder how the British ambassador to the USA can put up with the effrontery of being stationed in a city – Washington DC – named after a one-time traitor against the reign of King George III. And they built a monument over a 150 metres high to him which hundreds of tourists visit every day 😉
  
  Oh, sorry, forgot. That’s just another example of me or mikey “shutting down” debate and denying you free speech. As you were with your free Aryan public broadcasting service…
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:53am
- mandk
  
  This is a new low for you, EAD_TWO.
  
  Stephen Lawrence was a schoolkid, and there is no indication that he was in any way involved in gangs.
  
  The gangsters in this case were the racist thugs who killed him, and the cops in the initial investigation who were compromised because they had received hospitality from relatives of the killers.
  
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  April 24, 2018 10:05am
  - Kimbo
    
    That’s the thing about EAD. Whining at the drop of a hat like a little bitch that people are trying to silence him. Far from it. Feel free to crawl out from under that rock where you live, and post away any time you feel like it, EAD. Always good to know the “views” of people like yourself and what they’re based on.
    
    But you may be pleased to know, the British did hang “Lord Haw Haw” for treason. 😉
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:12am
    - Kimbo
      
      Speaking of British subjects executed for treason committed during World War II, this is fascinating – New Zealand-born Patrick Stanley Vaughan Heenan who helped betray Malaya to the Japanese in 1941:
      
      During 1941, as fears of a Japanese invasion of Southeast Asia grew, Heenan’s unit was sent to Malaya. He was transferred to an Indian Army air liaison unit and was sent to Singapore for training. Following the completion of air liaison training, Heenan was stationed at Alor Star, in Kedah, northern Malaya, in June 1941.[2] It was in this area that most of the British Royal Air Force, Royal Australian Air Force and Royal New Zealand Air Force squadrons in Malaya were based.[citation needed]
      Circa 8 February 1941. Bristol Blenheim Mark I bombers of No. 62 Squadron RAF lined up at Tengah, Singapore, before flying north to their new base at Alor Star, Kedah, Malaya. Heenan was attached to the squadron at Alor Star in late 1941.
      
      Japanese forces invaded Thailand and Malaya on 8 December. Mr Sydney Tavender, chairman of the Cotswold branch of the Far East Prisoners of War, and who served in the AIL unit with Heenan, said the Japanese aircraft always seemed to know the correct recognition codes, despite the fact that they were changed every 24 hours. By 10 December, the Japanese had destroyed most of the Allied aircraft in northern Malaya.
      
      Heenan was caught during an air raid. “When we discovered he wasn’t in the slit trenches with us we became suspicious,” Mr Tavender reported. “We went to his quarters and discovered a radio, which was still warm. That was the last we saw of him. He was arrested.”[6] The Japanese air raids were assisted by radio transmissions made by Heenan.[1] Among other espionage equipment, he reportedly had a morse code transmitter operated by an alphanumeric keyboard — similar to a Traeger Transceiver — which was disguised as a typewriter.[citation needed] Heenan was sent to Singapore, and was reportedly court-martialled in January 1942.[1] He does not seem to have been formally sentenced, but the normal sentence for treason by British officers was death.[citation needed]
      
      Heenan remained in custody at Singapore for several weeks. The Japanese gradually drove the Allies out of Malaya, and on 8 February they invaded Singapore Island. Within days, it became clear that the battle was being won by the Japanese. In the words of journalist and author Lynette Silver (whose main source is Elphick):
      
      By February 13[,] Heenan had become very cocky, taunting his guards … that he would soon be free and they would be prisoners. It appears that … British military police took matters into their own hands. After cards were cut to decide who would … [kill] Heenan, it is alleged he was taken to the dockside, where a sergeant executed him with a single pistol shot to the back of the head. The body was then dumped in the harbour.[7]
      
      Elphick also says that Heenan was shot at Keppel Harbour.[1]
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stanley_Vaughan_Heenan
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:32am
      - Swifty
        
        Interesting.
        
        I wonder what was the motivation?
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:59am
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, at a guess look at the name?: Patrick Stanley Vaughan Heenan.
        
        Like the then-President of the Irish Free State, Éamon de Valera, who should have been shot with all the other traitors like Connolly after the 1916 Dublin Easter Uprising, but who declared and maintained IFS neutrality throughout the Second World War. Indeed, like his fellow ultra-Catholic nationalist Franco in Spain, some of his policies were even pro-Axis. So civilisation is going down the gurgler, but a Fenian bigot always takes the opportunity to cut off his nose to spite his face! 😉
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:09am
      - Kimbo
        
        And this was from the same source. Disillusionment with the British Empire may have come about like George Orwell observing the Raj close up as a soldier having to enforce it. Or more likely, Heenan was always a misfit and malcontent. He was certainly a (literal) bastard! 😉 :
        
        Heenan’s mother, Anne Stanley (born 1882), was not married at the time of her son’s birth at Reefton, New Zealand. His birth certificate recorded her maiden name as his surname, and did not include any information about his father.[1] A year later, both mother and son moved to Burma with a mining engineer named George Charles Heenan (1855–1912). The older Heenan is described by some sources as an Irish republican,[3] although he seems to have had a long association with New Zealand, including selection for regional representative cricket teams in the 1880s and 1890s.[4] There is no conclusive evidence that George Heenan was Patrick’s father, or that George and Anne ever married. However, Patrick was baptised in Burma as a Roman Catholic, with the surname Heenan.[1] George Heenan died at Pauk, Burma in 1912. Patrick’s mother then worked as a governess for a family named Carroll.[1]
        
        In 1922, the Carrolls moved to England, and Anne Stanley went with them. Mrs Carroll died a few years later, and Bernard Carroll, who was an accountant, married Anne.[3] From 1923 to 1926, Patrick was a boarder at Sevenoaks School in Kent, and in 1927 proceeded to Cheltenham College, as a day boy, in a stream of students preparing for military careers.[3] Although he was then 16 years old, at Cheltenham he was put in classes with pupils as young as 13.
        
        Accounts of his time at Sevenoaks and Cheltenham show Heenan to have been a poor student and — in the words of the Dictionary of National Biography — a “gloomy, resentful misfit disliked by other pupils”.[3] He nevertheless excelled at sports, especially boxing, due largely to his impressive physique.[1][3] According to Elphick, Heenan was unpopular with other students at Cheltenham and was often in trouble with school authorities. Although he joined the Officers Training Corps (OTC) at Cheltenham, Heenan did not gain any formal qualifications;[3] because of this, he was not able to be admitted to British Army officer training, when he left school at the age of 19. Heenan instead joined Steel Brothers, a trading company with interests in Asia.
        
        In the early 1930s, Heenan applied for the Army Supplementary Reserve, the only way he could become an officer without formal qualifications. According to Elphick, had Heenan’s illegitimacy been known, it would have prevented him becoming an officer. He was able to join the reserve by presenting his baptism certificate, along with a certificate signed by his school headmaster, stating that Heenan was capable of performing the duties of an officer. This was endorsed by the commander of Cheltenham’s OTC.
        
        In 1932, he was placed on the Supplementary Reserve.[citation needed]
        
        In 1935, Heenan was commissioned into the British Army, with the service number 547AI.[5] His address at this time was recorded as Cheam, Surrey, England. He was put on the Indian Army’s Unattached List, and was sent to India. After six months’ training with a British regiment, Heenan was not accepted by any Indian Army regiments. He had to do an additional six months with another British regiment before being accepted by the 16th Punjab Regiment. He reportedly performed well in a skirmish on the North-West Frontier, but was later transferred to the Indian Army Service Corps. According to Elphick, this was a device commonly used to get unsatisfactory officers away from prestigious frontline regiments.[1] However, Heenan later returned to the 16th Punjabs, but to a different battalion.[citation needed]
        
        In 1938–39, Heenan took a six-month “long leave” (an Indian Army tradition) in Japan.[citation needed]
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:25am
      - UpandComer
        
        In other words, don’t ask Picts or Visigoths to fight for the Romans. Which is EADs point. But certainly not the point he was making here. Only the English upper class are so amoral and stupid as to ask Irish and South Africans to fight for them a few years after starving their mothers and families to death in concentration camps in Soweto and Limerick. But as I said previously, whilst the English have always been amoral, they reserved some humanity for their own. That doesn’t exist. Why? What’s changed? Because the English political class isn’t English anymore. But never mind.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        But a lot people from the Irish Republic fought for Britain as volunteers in World War 2.
        
        This is from the Irish Times:
        
        ” … according to the British government, 42,665 Irish citizens volunteered for service with the British armed forces. Research by Richard Doherty suggests that the real figure may have been as high as 66,000. Of these volunteers I estimate that approximately 8,000 served in the commissioned ranks. ”
        
        https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/why-did-the-irish-volunteer-as-british-officers-in-wwii-1.1846436
        
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        April 24, 2018 4:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Upandcomer in his 2.56 post says: “Only the English upper class are so amoral and stupid as to ask Irish and South Africans to fight for them … ”
        
        You mean, Upandcomer, South Africans like Jan Smuts, a Boer general who served as a British Field Marshal in World War 2?
        
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        April 24, 2018 4:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        But a lot people from the Irish Republic fought for Britain as volunteers in World War 2.
        
        Indeed, they did. And my post criticising Heenan and de Valera was in no way meant to diminish their service and sacrifice. Nothing unpatriotic or dishonourable with being a Roman Catholic and/or an Irish patriot…but there is when you sit on the sideline or even assist the Kaiser and later the Axis during wartime.
        
        Incidentally, as per your mention of Jannie Smuts, in the Second World War (when, as in the First he served as a Field Marshall with the British. As did Louis Botha, and they invaded and occupied German South West Africa and sent an expeditionary force to chase the famed Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck throughout East Africa)
        
        …many (Calvinist) Afrikaaners of the Ossewabrandwag took the opportunity to use sedition and violence to try and haul South Africa out of the British Empire. Future South African Prime Minister, John Vorster was one of those interned for pro-Nazi, anti-British activities.
        
        Similar thing happened in India, where Gandhi, typically was a pain in the arse calling for the Indians to stay out of it until they were granted independence (the British were fighting ruthless war criminals like Hitler and Tojo, ffs!), and Indian nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose defected to the Japanese.
        
        And then there were the fanatics of the Zionist Stern Gang/Lehi in British Palestine, assassinating the governor Lord Moyne in Cairo in 1944, and seeking to negotiate a deal with…Himmler of all people. Truly, ideology turns people into idiots. 😉
        
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        April 24, 2018 5:21pm
  - UpandComer
    
    What EAD is animated by, rightfully, is the supreme energy applied by May to this singular case. That energy and alacrity seems to be entirely absent from vastly worse crimes. Like the ongoing disgrace of Rotherham. Assuming all the official talking points are true, which is a very large if indeed, the kid was innocent. But the selective rhetorical application of innocence always at the locals expense is worth critique. The logic seems to be, from May, don’t ask me to investigate Rotherham because you working class swine deserve it “look what you did to Saint Stephen”. Just like, well sure you can go to jail for 15 years if you mention Israel is an ethno state and the Cohen and Levy family rule Whitehall but “look what you people did during the Holocaust” therefore no free speech for you chaps!
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:48pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Stephen Lawrence was a schoolkid, and there is no indication that he was in any way involved in gangs.
    
    Yeah, you’d be one of those types who would argue that Trayvon Martin was an angelic 12 year old yoof who dindu nuffin ?
    
    The fact is it was a knifing was over a low level drug deal gone bad.
    
    If he really was a “school kid” not involved with Street Gangs, why does the MSM always crop out the bottom of this photo – for some reason we never see too much of it around.
    
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/858d3b010a6d5f35e6d8296f97c0e073528371ff330a4d961ad5919d520b70e8.jpg
    
    You know full well that this photo is easily available and that it somewhat muddies the narrative yet still people like you push this insanity onto the British People.
    
    This denial of reality and attempt to muddy the water is a new low for you Mandk
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:02pm
    - mandk
      
      “This denial of reality and attempt to muddy the water is a new low for you Mandk”
      
      This is a bit rich coming from someone who has never missed an opportunity to buy into a conspiracy theory.
      
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      April 24, 2018 3:50pm
lifesgood

Well what do you know? There are (supposedly) 100,000 + more NZers living in “poverty” since the col got in. Cindy claims that’s only because you can be considered poor on a higher income than before. Oh puhlease! When everyone in the country is deemed poor who will pay the bills?
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April 24, 2018 8:33am
- MH
  
  Poverty Bay to be renamed.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    MH , why not Sunshine or Radiant Bay for starters?
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:52am
- Chuck Bird
  
  There certainly is poverty in NZ. There are some people who ripe the system off. However, there are others who for various reasons will never be successful for a variety of reasons. Some will have low IQ others will have mental health issues.
  
  This huge divide between the wealthy and those who cannot afford the necessitates to live decently is not good. I think nearly all National MPs would agree with me.
  
  However, National and the left have a different idea how to reduce the gap.
  
  There is no silver bullet and there is no simple solution.
  
  Robert MacCulloch: New style of reform way out of growing inequality divide
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=12038098
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:10pm
- Piniwi
  
  But lifesgood they just don’t get it do they that when wages (income) goes up so to do the numbers of those perceived as living in poverty since it is based on the median income. She is heralding the Families Package as their greatest achievement but it too broad overshooting the target group. The end result is it barely lift half those that the tax cuts would have assisted directly.
  
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  April 24, 2018 2:16pm
Paulus

Likewise Teletubby Woods – how many outstanding of the 2,600 Christchurch EQ Claims have you settled since you became the commanding officer some two months ago ?
After all you are a Doctor.
You said you would keep us advised – must have missed the report.
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April 24, 2018 8:34am
- Poppa
  
  I expect a lot of those homes to be written off with cracks in the concrete floors.
  
  The method of re-leveling concrete floors did not pass muster to me at the time. What about Fletchers in all of this?
  
  Another issue here is whether the EQC cap of $100k plus GST will apply with the insurers picking up the over cap or whether it becomes a Consumer Guarantee issue with EQC carrying the liability.
  
  Could be another hole Robbo
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:49am
  - Paulus
    
    But if the EQC have already paid their $100,000 then they have no further liability unless another EVENT can be proven – there has been over 10,000 followup quakes so which one is appropriate to call another claim.
    A claim must be proven by the policy holder who also has a valid policy with an insurance company.
    Those who bought “repaired ” houses will find that unless a valid claim as above is proven then they will have no insurable interest – ie zilch.
    I assume that when these people bought the houses under claim they had a building inspector’s report (caveat emptor) and a copy of the Council sign off. Doubt a LIM has any benefit as they are vague Council earners.
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:55pm
    - Poppa
      
      Yes I agree Paulus but I think in this case because the repairs were arranged by EQC that they are in effect Guaranteeing the workmanship by law.
      
      It will be interesting to see what happens. Certainly the insurers won’t want a bar of it as they had no involvement with under cap claims.
      
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      April 24, 2018 3:14pm
- Harkman
  
  I love it how if you say to an American that you are a doctor in anything other than medical areas, they laugh at you.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:50am
  - lifesgood
    
    Most people are unaware that a medical doctor is not actually a doctor i.e. they don’t have a doctorate. A medical doctor simply has two bachelor degrees. Specialists are different, they have doctorates. A person who has a doctorate has a higher level of education than a straight out medical doctor.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Medical specialists are referred to as Mr. Never understood that. ?
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:35am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Not quite waikatogirl. Specialist physicians will usually retain the title Doctor. It is surgeons who adopt the “Mister” label, to distinguish themselves from mere surgical registrars and junior doctors.
        
        You’re right though, it’s odd.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:03am
      - Milhous
        
        It’s related to the history of surgery. The original surgeons were barbers, who branches into pulling teeth. They became barber surgeons and took on more surgical techniques. As time went by and they became more skilled, they wanted to join the guild of physic ( doctors or physicians ) but the snobbery of the physicians wouldn’t allow it. They also would now allow them to use “Dr”.They therefore formed their own guild, which evolved into the college of surgeons and as homage to their origins kept the “Mr”.
        
        Mr is now an acknowledgement that one has transcended mere medical training and is a member of that esteemed “guild”.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:13am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Milhous
        
        Outstanding! Can I please have the name of your agent, as we’d like to put in a transfer offer for you to join Kimbo’s kick arse pub quiz team. 😉
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:20am
sooty

Mirror, Mirror on the wall!
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April 24, 2018 8:36am
Right of way is Way of Right

There are a great many people in our little corner of the world who rejoice in our supposed geographical isolation, thinking in some way that it removes us from some of the worst aspects of humanity.

One of our former Prime Ministers even used our remoteness as a strategic platform when designing our Defence Force, and removing our air strike capability, preferring to vest our security in the United Nations apparently, which in the event, probably wouldn’t do a hell of a lot to assist us in part because we are so very far away. Isn’t THAT ironic!

Then every so often, something pops up that reminds me that we’re not so far removed from events at all.

Six months ago, my wife and I were in Toronto.

On Yonge Street, in Toronto, there is a huge shopping mall at the south end, with some wonderful food shops, and the friendliest staff. I bought a bag there, my wife bought a hat. We were there to watch a friend competing in the Invictus games, and Yonge street was the main thoroughfare between where we were staying and some of the wheelchair rugby matches and the indoor rowing. So we got to walk through it frequently, past the theatre district, briskly past some of the theatres that showed movies that were a little more risque. We looked at some of the wonderful restaurants and cafe’s that line the streets of Toronto, it’s a gourmands delight, with the myriad of ethnicities providing a delicious melange of scents that didn’t mingle at all with the pungent waft from the subway vents as a train thundered under our feet.

We never got as far as Finch street though, and it was on the intersection of Yonge and Finch where a white rental van ploughed in to pedestrians today.

I wonder, who did it hit?

Was it the wonderful waitress at the Japanese restaurant where I enjoyed the most delightful bento box for lunch?

Was it one of the many hundreds of volunteers who helped make the Invictus Games so successful?

Was it the hot dog vendor outside the hotel? Was it the concierge at the Sheraton who, on hearing that we were from Auckland, upgraded us to a corner room on the top floor, just because his brother lived in Auckland? That room had the best views that I have ever had from a hotel room.

Was it the hostess at the revolving restaurant at CN Tower? Was it the Taxi driver that took us from Pearson Airport to our hotel at 6 in the morning, who took the time to tell us about all the attractions in his wonderful city, of which he was so proud!

Was it one of the two afro-canadians in the hat shop who were the friendliest, most helpful people I have ever had help me in a shop, and so damn funny to boot.

I don’t know what it is about Canadians, but whenever they meet New Zealanders, there seems to be a kinship. We have so much in common. We’re rugged individualists at heart, sons and daughters of the commonwealth, and we both have to put up with loud, obnoxious neighbours.

We both know how to brew great beer, and cook good food. They need to learn a bit more about coffee, we need to understand poutine, but we do get on. We are very similar people.

Today, some of those similar people were killed in a manner that has all the hallmarks of an IS attack.

We may be a long way from Toronto, but the people who died today are not very far from who and what we are at all.

I am very sad today.
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April 24, 2018 8:48am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Great post, Right chap, but as for ‘Today, some of those similar people were killed in a manner that has all the hallmarks of an IS attack’, didn’t you hear on the news that the Toronto Police said they have *NO CLUE* what the motivation could have been?
  
  If you’re right, the Police find being PC much more important than solving, let alone preventing, crimes.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:25am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I thought people are all the same but just different shades of melanin Cuckocil Liberal?
    
    At least that’s what you’ve been telling me on this blog for the past couple of months….
    
    Go and make yourself useful and do some research for me on the common ethnicity of Anti-white “Canadians” Bernie Faber, Irwin Cottler or Israel Asper whose family has been pumping all the poisonous Marxist PC shit into the minds of Canadians for decades through their control of Canada’s largest MSM outlets.
    
    Canada has not been betrayed by Canadians but by hostile outsiders
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:40am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Hey EAshole, it’s not about ethnicity but about *ideology*. Plenty of white islamists in the world.
      
      And Right chap met lots of great people of many ethnic groups who don’t have the crap ideology motivating terrorism.
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:05am
      - UpandComer
        
        CL you have to understand that the correlation even if not causative between ideology and ethnicity renders the not all Muslims argument a fallacy.
        
        I did really detailed research into the DREAM Act. Hispanics have have always voted, and will always vote, 85% democrat, and therefore for the destruction of the constitution and the very concept of America. Always. They will always do it. It doesn’t matter how many of them a bush marries. It doesn’t matter how much Rod Dreher or the repressed gay Buckley Junior, or all the establishment men like David French, Marco Rubio, David Podhoretz and Jacob Rubenstein, Bill Kristol, even that idiot evangelical Eric Erikson et al running the weekly standard and the national review and red state intone otherwise. They will never clever vote small government constitutionalism because it’s not in their DNA. They never ever will. It doesn’t matter how much gibs you offer, the DNC can out gibs and out identity vector anything they do
        That’snne Coulter is right in Adios America. That’s why the courageous guys at VDare are right. That’s why immigration is the only issue that matters in the United States.
        
        Now that’s a relatively benign form of latino ethno nationalism operating when you say it can’t. Because all of these groups laugh, uproariously, at what conservatives say in high minded tones and ignore it completely. The empirical data is very clear. If Latinos get a structural majority in the US large, the first and second amendment will be excused and memory holed from the public consciousness within a single generation. And that’s with a Christian minority majority.
        
        How much worse is a Muslim minority majority with absolutely zero from of shared bonds of fraternity with the society that harbours them. Vastly worse.
        
        Even an ex communist multi kultist like Christopher Hitchens understood this, and he was the editor at Vanity Fair for God’s sake. Muslim leaders in Rotherham for example have threatened mass strikes and riots if their people are subjected to the rule of law. They are a malign, hostile, passive aggressive, powerful and virulent opposition. They will never compromise, on anything. Only us, always us, in what Hitchens brilliantly coined as pre emotive subjection to violence backed censorship.
        
        The individual exceptions to the rule are simply engulfed by the self interested aggregate. You have to forget this conservation be idea of equality. It’s just like the communist idea of equality. Both are at odds with reality. That’s why the Soviet Union fell, and the cuckservative west will fall. Canada absolutely needs a ban, not just on Muslim immigration but Chinese immigration. I will explain why in a new post below. Your better instincts are being exploited and laughed at by the most cynical and vicious people one can imagine.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:17pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Up and Comer
        I’m not one of those painful ‘not all muslims’ people who make feeble excuses every time there is a murderous attack. I was just objecting to EAshole’s racist statements.
        
        Sure, I’ve met some nice people who called themselves ‘muslim’ but wouldn’t have fared well under sharia law (e.g. hair showing, involved in music, time alone with other gender). But I’m not keen on a large muslim populations in western countries. If people subscribe to an ideology of wife-beating, slavery and anti-semitism, I don’t think they have a place here. That includes EAshole.
        
        About your Latino points. I’d say again that is ideology, not ‘DNA’.
        
        I (white) was brought up to hate National and always vote Labour, which I did until I had a good think about it.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:45pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Fair enough classical.
        
        The only point I was making, is that your experience is vanishingly rare amongst ethnic cohorts in the United States. One can speculate as to why, the time is now passed when one can ignore the implications.
        
        If cuckservative civic nationalism was a viable theory, the phenomena of almost uniform identity bloc voting in the US wouldn’t be evident. It is evident. 16 trillion dollars on net transfers hasn’t worked. The United States Marine Corp integration policies haven’t worked. Forced school integration hasn’t worked. Affirmative action hasn’t worked. Every k1 school policy hasn’t worked. All of it has made everything worse. Not just worse – the overt rampant hostility from the !Americans! Is indicative that all these policies are merely rendered appeasement.
        
        Again, that is with a purportedly Catholic minority majority with a long standing proximate geographical relationship to the United States. So why do we pretend that integrating Islam is possible let alone desirable.
        
        Listen to Scott Adams (Dilbertman with the hottest youngest wife ever) latest predictions on these matters.
        
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        April 24, 2018 3:07pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Thanks, just read an article by Scott Adams. I had no idea he was so onto this issue:
        
        “Suppose I said to you that 20% Islamic population will guarantee that eventually – perhaps in a hundred years or more – the country will have a dominant Islamic culture, with all that implies for women and the LGBTQ community.”
        
        ” It is nonsense to argue about whether our Muslim immigration policies are good or bad without the benefit of knowing where the tipping point is, if such a thing even exists.”
        
        http://blog.dilbert.com/2017/05/08/wheres-my-immigration-prediction-model/
        
        Of course, there are naive or evil people who deny that there would be terrible outcomes for women and the LGBTQ community.
        
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        April 24, 2018 5:42pm
  - RalphT
    
    Indeed. In cases like this the “no clue” comment is usually a HUGE clue.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:43am
- Ross12
  
  I listened to the news earlier and they referred to it as a “van collision” . Typical MSM.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:58am
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… CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND GENERAL MORTGAGE CAP 3.5 TIMES INCOMES …

… Why over recent decades have the Australian and New Zealand banking and finance sectors failed to responsibly advocate for sound housing markets and associated responsible lending ? …

… Dysfunctional housing markets and irresponsible lending go hand – in – hand …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland
… also … access background research …

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures

… Normal housing markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income (median multiple) … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times annual household income … refer …

Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

… also …

The Economic Implications Of Housing Supply – Edward Glaeser & Joseph Gyourko

https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.32.1.3

The Effect of Zoning on Housing Prices … Reserve Bank of Australia Discussion Paper

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2018/pdf/rdp2018-03.pdf

The Urban Containment Effects (Zoning Effects) On Australian House Prices (RBA Report) … Wendell Cox … New Geography

http://www.newgeography.com/content/005921-the-urban-containment-effect-zoning-effect-australian-house-prices

… extract …

• In Sydney, the urban containment effect adds $489,000 to the house price making the annual mortgage payments $29,000 higher. Figure 4 shows the components of the average house price in Sydney.

• In Melbourne, the urban containment effect adds $324,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $19,000 higher.

• In Brisbane, the urban containment effect adds $159,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $9,000 higher.

• In Perth, the urban containment effect adds $206,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $12,000 higher.

• No data is available for Adelaide, but the present median multiple (median house price divided by median household income) suggests that urban containment effect adds at least $13,000 to the mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …

… When do the authorities in Australia and New Zealand intend to restore normal housing markets … so normal banking and finance sectors can be restored as well ?…

The royal commission changed this week — from awful and dumb to utterly shocking – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-21/royal-commission-changed-this-week-awful-to-shocking/9681942
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April 24, 2018 8:48am
- Harkman
  
  Hugh rent is rising fast under these losers. And what is pushing up national rents? The massive spike in Wellington rents is caused by the government’s hiring binge. Wellington is dearer than Auckland. I remember you celebrating National’s demise. Wow that turned our well.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:56am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Plus every time we hear about higher wages under the various unions, all I can think of is ‘inflation’!
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:27am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes, I know lol, they say great minds think alike.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:32am
- VicParking
  
  Hugh give Stephie a call, he is running late. I hear your Trolls are looking to have a Nationwide strike in May. Can hardly wait.
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:58am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Course! Trolls need a pay-rise too!
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:28am
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    UPDATE …CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND GENERAL MORTGAGE CAP 3.5 TIMES INCOMES …
    
    Q&A: Is Australia still the land of the fair go when it comes to the banks? … Australian Broadcasting Corporation
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-23/q&a:-is-australia-the-land-of-the-fair-go/9688632
    
    Has the idea of Australia as the land of the fair go simply become folk lore, or do we really live in an egalitarian society?
    
    That was the focus of a Q&A panel on Monday night, and a discussion of class in Australia took no time in addressing those on opposite sides of the royal banking commission. …
    
    … John Roskam, executive director of the Institute for Public Affairs, alluded that the banks’ misconduct was allowed to go on for so long because they were held above the law.
    
    Mr Roskam said the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) — the banking watchdog — failed to enforce the law on the banks.
    
    “You can have all the laws you want against unlawful behaviour but if from the very top of the board there is not a culture of respect for customers and clients, we are going to get this sort of problem. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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    In case you had not viewed these earlier ABC reports …
    
    Early March: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/
    
    ABC The Business 29 Mar 2018 On Mortgage Brokers
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrY3NUhYrXA
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    I had touched on the matter of lending multiples earlier …
    
    Lessons from the 2007 Irish housing crash … the severe costs of multiple stretch …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nab-tightens-loan-income-limits/#comment-3052010
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:30am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      But hey, there are lots of Ghost Towns in Ireland from vast overbuilding, where you can get a house for virtually nothing!
      
      The kind of Ghost Towns we’ll have if NZ overbuilds on taxpayer’s/ratepayer’s money, too many Kiwis decide that NZ isn’t the best place to live and do business now, and building companies go bust.
      
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      April 24, 2018 9:40am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Acess more extensive postings at MacroBusiness Australia Links Page today …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3092390
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3092391
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3092473
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:52am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        This morning on Interest Co NZ ( why did Greg Ninness fail to ask sound questions ? ) …
        
        Watch this development disaster approach by Housing Minister Phil Twyford … …
        
        Phil Twyford says the government is considering intensive housing options in Panmure, Manukau and Henderson. Construction work not likely to start at Unitec site in Mt Albert until next year | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/93338/phil-twyford-says-government-considering-intensive-housing-options-panmure-manukau
        
        … repeating the mistakes of history …
        
        Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/93338/phil-twyford-says-government-considering-intensive-housing-options-panmure-manukau
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        April 24, 2018 10:44am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Auckland MÄori Housing Summit to focus on development opportunities | Voxy.co.nz
        
        http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/5/309160
        
        … extract …
        
        … Hon Phil Twyford acknowledged the seriousness of the housing crisis for Auckland MÄori with the home ownership rate among MÄori now tracking below 30%. The Minister highlighted the impact this has on intergenerational wealth and resources, reducing opportunities to accumulate wealth to pass on to the next generation. This creates critical long-term impacts that must be addressed. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … NOT MENTIONED BY PHIL TWYFORD AT THE SUMMIT…
        
        … WHY ? …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        https://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        … extract …
        
        … Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Keeping a roof over my kids’ heads is impossible … Rachel Miller … Fairfax / Stuff New Zealand
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/103316320/keeping-a-roof-over-my-kids-heads-is-impossible
        
        A generation of mortgage slaves: Auckland’s house prices leave home owners mired in debt | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/103205338/a-generation-of-mortgage-slaves-aucklands-house-prices-leave-home-owners-crippled-in-debt
        
        Auckland first-time home buyers are being set up for a lifetime of debt and could struggle to save for retirement or raise a family, a housing expert says.
        
        Home affordability campaigner Hugh Pavletich believes the true definition of affordable housing is three times a household’s income. But in Auckland the price boom has seen that figure soar to 8.2 (HP correction … actually 8.8 … refer Demographia Survey Schedules … http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf ).
        
        Pavletich said this meant buyers were paying on average $552,300 more than was affordable, forcing them to pay higher deposits and mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 25, 2018 1:17am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Above posted also at …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/anzac-day-links-25-april-2018/#comment-3093059 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/anzac-day-links-25-april-2018/#comment-3093060
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        … and …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/links-24-april-2018/#comment-3093056 … with extensive further posts …
        
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        April 25, 2018 2:16am
Sideoiler

Looks like things are on the up in the US economy.
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/384414-14-states-hit-record-low-unemployment
Well done that man.
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April 24, 2018 8:52am
- Inandout
  
  stephie is desperately searching all CNN material to refute these figures.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:44am
dime

Barely Sober – a trade deal with North korea? why not??

thats the headline.

heres a reason why not you winston loving heap of dung.

they use fucking slave labour.
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April 24, 2018 8:57am
- RalphT
  
  And could they actually pay for anything we would sell them? I mean in US$; I don’t think we would want payment in the NK won.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:05am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/103338490/van-in-toronto-strikes-at-least-8-people

No need for this.

If they just wait a few more months Trudeau will make Canada part of the Caliphate.
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April 24, 2018 9:04am
- Inandout
  
  A Middle East man involved. I find this totally unbelievable that the media would announce his features; that only happens to whites. Truedough has called for the Hate Police to assemble.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:18am
- stephieboy
  
  cmm,
  
  “…Trudeau will make Canada part of the Caliphate”
  
  What an asinine thing to say!
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:56am
  - cmm
    
    stephie: I’m sure the word you were actually looking for is insightful rather than asinine.
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:19pm
Huevon

I see Clark has thrown a tanty over an opinion piece about him in the Herald.

What a pillock. It tells us all we need to know about Jacinda’s judgement that she chose this Muppet to father her children.
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April 24, 2018 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Huevon , as if anybody outside the KB alt right bubble chamber actually cares.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:57am
  - lifesgood
    
    He obviously does.
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:13am
  - Batman
    
    Stephie, well clearly some do, as lefty Twitter was ENRAGED yesterday as the nerve of Deborah HC to say anything mean about wonderful Clarke.
    
    He needs to harden up and stop responding to every little thing.
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:03am
lastmanstanding

Will the government like its Aussie counterpart set up an inquiry in the Banks and other financial institutions given the following;

1. The Big 4 are Aussie owned.
2. The Head Offices appoint the CEOs
3. The senior staff are interchanged across the Tasman.
4. Multinationals have international cultures procedures and processes.

Turnbull resists for 2 years saying an inquiry wasnt necessary. Even a week before the inquiry he was on TV saying its wouldnt find anything which is why he limited it to 1 year so as not to waste money.
The Banks said nothing to see here move on just as their NZ operations are saying now.
The Governor of the RB and the Min of Fin are saying the same.
I suspect as with the Aussies we will see whistleblowers going to the media with compelling stories that will force a back track and we will see the same behaviour here.
Disclosure. I am a long time shareholder in the Aussie Banks but am considering quitting if the NZ situation is the same as Aussie.
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April 24, 2018 9:07am
EAD_TWO

Anyone else notice the radical Marxist takeover of the venerable WASP publication “National Geogrpahic” by (((Susan Goldberg))).

This level of anti-white history re-writing has become all to common. They were one of the first MSM outlets to push the gender bending narrative and now Goldberg is pushing a narrative that the English are the invaders of Britain and Africans were the actual original inhabitants:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TOQJoyce/status/988468477978664960
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April 24, 2018 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO,
  
  ” venerable WASP publication ” ?
  
  Oh is it now narrowed down to White Anglo Saxon Protestants in your dream Volksgemeinschaft (Volk state) ?
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:32am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Holy sh*t – Stephieboy worked out an acronym (or at least use Google)❗
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:42am
    - sooty
      
      The WASP probably ate them all!
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:07am
    - holysheet
      
      Carefull there ead2, using my name is a no no. If kimbo can bitch about his silly laws, then surely I can do the same. ?
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        Thank you for your contribution to make Kimbo’s law an internet meme. 😉
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  (((Fuck Off you tedious twunt)))
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:28am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Sorry for (((noticing)))
    
    To destroy a people, you must first sever their roots. – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (another man who noticed)
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:03pm
- UpandComer
  
  EAD lol you’re right. But you do smash the stone to bits and fire blunderbuss projectiles at the target. You need to shape it and sculpt it a little, use more rifling.
  
  My favourite one is when the BBC ran a documentary saying England was Muslim under the Roman Empire.
  
  I also enjoyed their series saying that because Elizabeth I allowed some Muslim apostates captured by Francis Drake in Spain to live in London ‘England has always been Muslim’.
  
  The authors casual inference that the conversions amounted to Taqqiya and Kirman is never addressed. Even funnier is when he talks about me Samson Rowlie, who became Hassaan Aga and high ranking in the Morrocan court after being captured, tortured, castrated and forced to convert as an early example of exemplary Islamic English relations. “See, he never converted back to Christianity”.
  
  Also they’ve always been Muslim’ because Elizabeth I received Morrocan, Persian, Barbary and ottoman embassies.
  
  I think protecting Jimmy Savile for so many years while he did ‘his thing’ was so distracting for the creatures at the BBC, like Mark Thompson who now runs the New York Times, that they forgot how to be scholars and not laughing stocks.
  
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  April 24, 2018 3:21pm
DifferentPerspective

Pay up or else!

Well here’s a very good reason for the US to continue to keep on Obama’s policy of financing Iranian’s sponsorship of terrorism.

Iran’s foreign minister threatens an “unpleasant” response if the US pulls out of Obama’s “Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action” – I would have wanted to sign up to it if they’d called it the “Joint Comprehensive and Progressive Plan of Action”.

Well, that’s fine then. A bully threatens that unless you keep on paying them otherwise they’ll bully you some more!

So let me get this straight, the deal was:
– the US is to fund a rabidly anti-US state
– to not develop nuclear weapons (by funding them sufficiently to develop nuclear weapons like Clinton’s Nork deal)
– in addition, Iran would get relief from the nuclear related sanctions (to assist it in developing nuclear weapons)

Maybe I’ll talk to my neighbours and, after shitting on their lawn, I’ll ask them to pay me to stop shitting on their lawn. And I’ll warn them they’ll have to keep on paying me otherwise I’ll shit on their lawn again. I can’t see why they wouldn’t pay up under those eminently reasonable (to an Iranian) circumstances.
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April 24, 2018 9:30am
- stephieboy
  
  DP , it was not only Obama’s plan but a plan that was agreed upon by other states like Russia, China, France, UK etc, etc.
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:38am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    With the US fronting up the monstrous majority of the cash bribe the person who pays is the owner of the deal. The US forked out $2 billion, the other signatories fronted next to nothing. If the US pulls out – there is no cash, there is no deal, it was Obama’s wet dream, it was Obama’s deal.
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:29am
    - stephieboy
      
      DP , when you say forked out 2 billion etc could you back it up and others with sources not to mention your other blah, blah …”
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:11am
- UpandComer
  
  It’s perverse.
  
  You’re understating it.
  
  Go and read the weekly standard work in the secret addendums to the deal.
  
  Those guys are double passport Americans with divided loyalties. But they can certainly get energetic and produce good work when Israel is theoretically threatened.
  
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  April 24, 2018 3:32pm
Manolo

Nine dead in Toronto, so far.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/950167/toronto-news-van-crowd-terror-canada-Yonge-Street-Finch

Toronto police have confirmed nine people have died and 16 were injured after a van ploughed through a crowd in the Canadian city.

The driver was arrested after the incident and a huge investigation is now underway. Police have neither confirmed not ruled out terror as a motive.
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April 24, 2018 9:35am
- The Heat
  
  It will be those agnostics again.
  
  No, wait…
  
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  April 24, 2018 10:37am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  People mover of peace.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:30am
Odakyu-sen

If you want to combat terrorism committed by a discrete segment of the community, you will require discriminatory measures to target that community. Otherwise, you will have to monitor the entire population, which is less efficient.

The question then becomes this: Is the State willing to discriminate against a certain segment of its population, specifically one that can easily be portrayed by certain political factions as “oppressed” due to its sub-average levels of scholastic achievement, income and health?
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April 24, 2018 9:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Odakyu-sen,
  
  “..as “oppressed” due to its sub-average levels of scholastic achievement, income and health? ”
  
  Now I wonder who could that be?
  
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  April 24, 2018 9:54am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    My statement has universal application in scenarios where a definable group within a society is regularly committing acts of terrorism against the population at large.
    
    Do we have such a group in New Zealand?
    Could such a situation develop in time?
    What steps could be taken to head this off?
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:00am
    - stephieboy
      
      Odakyu -sen,
      
      Your first question, NO
      Next one, highly unlikely
      
      Last one. Keep up our security monitoring etc as we’ve already have been doing.
      
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      April 24, 2018 10:57am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy, various oppressed farm animals.
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:24pm
dime

Don’t let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba “Spare Tire” Dixon.
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April 24, 2018 9:52am
srylands

Was at Wellington Hospital this morning for the first time in a while. Good progress on the the new Children’s Hospital, funded by Mark Dunajtschik. We don’t see many examples of philanthropy on that scale in New Zealand.
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April 24, 2018 10:00am
- kevn
  
  @srylands… A tremendous act of generosity. I wonder if Bob Jones will follow suit?
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:21am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The must be what the left likes to refer to as ‘trickle-down economics’. Seems like more of a flood though.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:22am
  - Kimbo
    
    Nah. More like a denouncement, delivered with a suitable curl of the lip, of charity as a tool of capitalist oppression. 😉
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:34am
    - sooty
      
      Like Owen Glenn?
      
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      April 24, 2018 12:13pm
Felt

On the latest trip to the UK and Europe our PM in waiting went AWOL. Winston missed a series of meetings, and no-one knew where he was. While we all are concerned about the capability of Comrade Cindy to juggle the roles of PM and mother, should we be concerned about the capabilities of Winston?
(note: same thing happened to Winston on the PI jaunt)
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April 24, 2018 10:24am
- sooty
  
  Those bloody russians again!
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Where was the nearest private medical room?
  
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  April 24, 2018 3:27pm
4077th

Seems Brian Tamaki has some serious burns. He probably stepped out into the sunlight for a few seconds. He should stick to sleeping upside-down in a wardrobe during the day!
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April 24, 2018 10:35am
Fletch

If you haven’t caught it on TV, our two biggest national sports teams are shilling for the LGBT community.

“The next enemy is truly formidable and deeply devious. “It is discrimination – an enemy that cannot be fought alone and must be defeated together.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/watch-all-blacks-black-ferns-star-in-new-campaign-supporting-lgbt-communitys-battle-against-discrimination

Then they pull their black jerseys to show rainbow colors underneath. The ad is pure propaganda. I never thought I’d see the like. I’ll tell you what discrimination is – not accepting that people of Faith have different views from you and denouncing those views in a multi-million dollar ad.

Again, can’t believe I’m seeing this.

[edit] someone on facebook pointing out that there are only 2 or 3 All Blacks shown, and the rest are actors. I guess they didn’t want to sign on for this.
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April 24, 2018 10:39am
- itstricky
  
  The ad is pure propaganda
  
  Did you highlight it because you knew the origin of the word?
  
  Propaganda is a modern Latin word, the gerundive form of propagare, meaning to spread or to propagate, thus propaganda means that which is to be propagated. Originally this word derived from a new administrative body of the Catholic church (congregation) created in 1622, called the Congregatio de Propaganda Fide (Congregation for Propagating the Faith), or informally simply Propaganda. Its activity was aimed at “propagating” the Catholic faith in non-Catholic countries.
  
  I’ll tell you what discrimination is – not accepting that people of Faith have different views from you and denouncing those views in a multi-million dollar ad.
  
  How are they denouncing your views? I can’t see that occurring at all.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:10am
  - Fletch
    
    So when the Soviets and the Chinese were pushing their views through pro-Communist posters, statues and artwork, that wasn’t denouncing any other view?
    
    According to the ad, the views that people like myself and Israel have are discriminatory, “formidable and deeply devious”. If they aren’t talking about Israel’s views, then who else? I don’t see it aimed at anyone else. It’s pretty much a direct response to what Israel said and is pushing back against anyone who disagrees with the gay ideology. As Scott said the other day, acceptance of gay sex is becoming mandatory.
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:27am
    - Kimbo
      
      Sounds like you and Scott are just pissed your ideas are losing in the free market place of ideas.
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:42am
      - Fletch
        
        Yeh, because it’s a “free market place” when one viewpoint has a multi-million dollar ad campaign behind it, promoted by the biggest sports teams in the country. And yes I am pissed when a huge campaign pushes a sinful lifestyle using the sports heroes to the kids in our country.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:48am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeh, because it’s a “free market place” when one viewpoint has a multi-million dollar ad campaign behind it, promoted by the biggest sports teams in the country.
        
        So to be clear…you’re implying there should be spending limits and restrictions to equalise the effects of propaganda campaigns?! Sounds like Helen Clark’s over-reaction to the Closed Brethren! 😉
        
        And they aren’t so much promoting the lifestyle as reinforcing the point that, as far as the rugby community and its membership requirements are concerned, there are no judgements, restrictions, or life style demands on gay people joining us. May be different from Folau’s Pentecostalist sect, your Catholic church or my Calvinist tradition
        
        …but the rugby community is well within its rights to reinforce the message Folau does not speak for them. As per my post below, especially as Folau sure tried to leverage his proselytising off the celebrity and fame the rugby community affords him.
        
        And yes I am pissed when a huge campaign pushes a sinful lifestyle using the sports heroes to the kids in our country.
        
        Just as we Protestants are, in our humble opinion, righteously indignant at the idolatry that occurs in your Catholic churches. But then that’s how the free marketplace of ideas works…you win some, you lose some! 😉
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:01pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Hahahaha
        
        Hey Kimbo.
        
        Why is Jordan Peterson famous.
        
        Was it because he very courageously stood up to homopedotranssexual competition in a free market place of ideas?
        
        Think think. What was it. Oh, yes, the Canadians were using state fiat to declare scientifically preposterous ideas and punish anyone with prison who disagreed.
        
        You really are a spectacle.
        
        ‘free market place of ideas’ says Kimbo.
        
        https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-school-district-says-parents-cant-pull-kids-from-new-lgbt-sex-ed
        
        Parents now can’t pull kids out if classes saying they have double virginity, in the front and the back.
        
        Are you kidding Kimbo? Are you this perversely stupid and deceitful on purpose or is it by accident?
        
        That free market place of ideas in operation on california.
        
        The pedosexual fanatical supremacy had gone too far. Everyone knows it. Everyone can feel it. You are incredibly wrong.
        
        We’re already in Huxley’s world of erotic play and class consciousness classes for children.
        
        The degree to which you are mialigned and askew of what is actually happening exceeds Hillary Clinton pre election.
        
        I’ve got a dozen other examples. Like, how in Canada they arrest parents who teach kids that there is dependent relationship between biological and sociological gender.
        
        I’ve even seen you, like the herd animal you are, spouting off, appropriating Peterson. You clearly have no idea what made him relevant to start with.
        
        Tell us some more about that free market place of ideas you moron.
        
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        April 24, 2018 3:45pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ UpandComer
        
        You are incredibly wrong…You clearly have no idea…you moron.
        
        Yeah, nah. Look, I’ve been an admirer of your work and even publicly rated it superior to JasonJohns lately, but even with those emphatic adverbs and an epithet to entice me, JJ still wins the “Attention Whore of the day” prize, courtesy of attracting my engagement by describing me as “an ideological machine”. ?
        
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        April 24, 2018 3:53pm
- Batman
  
  Absolute nonsense Fletch.
  
  The people in the ad are all rugby players, but most aren’t top tier All Blacks.
  
  There’s nothing wrong at all with rugby trying to shed it’s stereotyped image of being a homophobic breeding ground, full of spousal abusers.
  
  It’s an unfair stereotype and one which the left seeks to impose upon rugby all too often.
  
  A true conservative would support this as they quite rightly make the point that it’s nobody’s business and it shouldn’t matter as long as they are good at the game.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:39am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. Irrespective of the free speech that Folau is entitled to exercise (and equally be criticised for, and suffer the economic consequences if his employer rightly deems he is in breach of his contract)
    
    …his comments are potentially harmful to rugby. And yes, is a sport that has done much to transform its image and character and become as inclusive as possible. We have a gay rugby team in our club, and they have the full support of the club as does every team and player who wears our club jersey. I and many in our club would be pissed off if anyone decides they didn’t want to be involved in our great game because Folau chooses to propagate his personal views by leveraging off the fame and celebrity the entire rugby community affords him.
    
    But then Fletch wasn’t complaining about “shilling” when Folau posted on Instagram! 😉
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t every Rugby playing man over 18 years of age an All Black or expects to be one ?
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:02pm
    - CrazyIvan
      
      Shhhh, in our brave new world of equality equals equality of outcome, not opportunity, everyone may be able to become an All Black!
      
      Of course that’s after the working group reports back on this
      
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      April 24, 2018 4:53pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  It’s not ‘our national sports teams’. It’s the insurance company – the American International Group.
  
  The CEO, Brian Duperreault, is a committed Catholic and one who experiences God speaking to him – but one from a single parent family whose mother was ‘looked down on’ and ‘knows what it’s like to feel excluded’ and so relates to all he perceives to be ‘excluded’. He’s preaching ‘diversity’. (Of course, recent articles on the ethnic make-up of the All Blacks makes a joke of that.)
  
  It’s the humanist distortion of Christianity which focuses on victimhood rather than on every human being learning to treat every other with dignity and respect. Having said that, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to act in accordance with the principles of your faith.
  
  I just have to wonder if his ‘inclusiveness’ included equal pay for equal work at all levels by those ‘included’- especially given his “43.1 million pay package last year after he took over as the insurer’s chief executive officer”. Like women, or the autistic he’s talked about.
  
  Then there’s the specific example from John Browne in ‘The Glass Closet: Why Coming Out is Good for Business” of how the gay network targeted an insurance company which wasn’t pro-gay (not anti-discriminatory against gays but actively pushing their agenda, particularly to get their business – having more disposable income than heterosexuals generally). As Duperreault wants to ‘grow the business’, I daresay he’s had to give in to that agenda.
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:40pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, nah. I call “bullshit” on that, irrespective of the priorities that sponsors rightly enforce on sports bodies who take their money.
    
    But in NZ rugby, at all levels, especially at the amateur club level, we need as much community buy-in and involvement as possible. We can’t afford to turn anyone away, or else, in a tight competitive market for the leisure time of Kiwis, we will eventually die.
    
    As per my post to Fletch about his Catholicism, as a good Calvinist Protestant I genuinely find aspects of his faith offensive and sinful. But I don’t get to use my membership of rugby to push that. Indeed, even though the Marist rugby club in our union is maybe a source of recruitment for the Catholic Church, that club still deserves the support and cooperation of all the other clubs in our union, mine included. Indeed, it is one of the most hospitable and it is a pleasure to visit and play them.
    
    And I don’t think my Calvinist faith is compromised fellowshipping with and in some way strengthening a community of idolaters. Instead, maybe you and Fletch have an issue walking and chewing gum at the same time when it comes to the LGBT community and how rugby, and Christians within it should be responding and engaging in the light of Israel Folau’s pronouncements.
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:51pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Bullshit on what?
      
      There’s no doubt about what John Browne says – or Brian Duperreault. And your commitment to controlling people via their ability to earn money just echoes it. In fact, it’s very reminiscent of Revelation:
      
      “And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads, even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name. ”
      
      I’m beginning to wonder if the ‘mark’ is a rainbow. But even if it were not, they’re definitely setting up the system of attacking people with opposing views via removing their ability to survive financially. It’s scurrilous.
      
      Diversity is great. All diversity and tolerance of everyone. People can coexist with different views/beliefs. There is no need for one to attack the other – and that’s what needs to be promoted. But then, I’m not aware of anyone saying rugby is not recruiting or should not recruit from every group.
      
      The argument is about what beliefs people hold outside rugby and/or one group insisting on the right to change or control whole belief systems.
      
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      April 24, 2018 1:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I’m calling “bullshit” on your assertion that it was AIG’s money
        
        It’s not ‘our national sports teams’. It’s the insurance company – the American International Group.
        
        …“And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads, even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name. ”
        
        ….that is determining the current anti-LGBT discrimination campaign by NZ Rugby. Even without their corporate sponsorship, this is a message that reflects the priorities and values of the rugby community.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:12pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        Oh for heaven’s sake, Kimbo, it ends with the All Blacks proudly displaying the AIG symbol, saying ‘join our team’, followed by the AIG logo – and the ‘diversity is strength’ is straight from Duperreault, the url leading to an AIG web site, if mostly in Japanese.
        
        I don’t believe there is any discrimination against LGBT players – and if there is, the ‘message’ is not reflecting ‘the priorities and values of the rugby community’.
        
        But there is against Christians.
        
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        April 24, 2018 1:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But if they are wearing the All Black jersey, or making a statement on behalf of NZ Rugby…it will automatically display their sponsors, logos and links – be it Adidas, Steinlager, AIG, whomever. Branding 101!
        
        But don’t let the facts stand in the way of your “Christians are being persecuted/discriiminated against” talking point. The thought of spending eternity with someone so mentally-challenged is almost enough to drive me to contemplate become an atheist! ?
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:04pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        LOL, Kimbo.
        
        What would you do in Heaven where everyone is truly ‘equal’, God is the only one who is ‘right’ (whether you like it or not), and you’ve got no-one to criticise? I daresay that may be your version of ‘hell’.
        
        It’s an AIG ad, using the All Blacks as support – no different to any other ad, like those for heat pumps with cricketers.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:18pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But what you overlook is that it is almost certainly above and beyond NZ Rugby’s contractural requirements to AIG. Therefore, it was in the interests of both AIG (to limit the brand association damage Folau’s comments may have brought to them as the All Black sponsors) and also NZ Rugby (because his comments also damaged their inclusive membership policy) to make an additional ad.
        
        And as AIG have the deeper pockets to pay for the damage limitation that Folau’s stupidity made necessary, and it is a chance for them to leverage of their association with rugby (which Folau sought to do in an illegitimate manner to publicise his beliefs)
        
        …the ad is in AIG’s name in the first instance.
        
        Don’t like it? Blame Israel Folau, whose stupidity jeopardised the brand and commercial and community activities of both AIG and NZ Rugby.
        
        Don’t know what I’ll do for fun in eternity but as long as your misdirected touch finders miss their mark, I’ll enjoy the chance to counterattack. ?
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:32pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Anne don’t worry.
        
        Kimbo said there is a ‘free market place of ideas’ in the domain of homopedotranssexual theory fanatical supremacy.
        
        He’s certifiably an imbecile.
        
        He’s also a fake Christian. Unless the Calvinists are this debased.
        
        Just let him click and shuffle and murur to himself.
        
        He’s a moron.
        
        I’ve seen this intellectual herd animal explicate on Jordan Peterson in a kind of mild, turgid support.
        
        Then he says you’re losing in a free market place of ideas.
        
        Ignoring that Peterson only became relevant because he resisted the homopedotrans supremacists attempts in Canada to use coercive state fiat to force acceptance of conclusions antithetical to science in pain of imprisonment.
        
        The notion there is a free market place of ideas on these matters is like saying there was a free market for jeans in the Soviet union in 1972.
        
        Kimbo is a midwit and a fake Christian. Ignore him. He’s wrong about everything.
        
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        April 24, 2018 3:58pm
noskire

An 87-year-old American World War II Army veteran decided to take his family to France as a last hoorah. Everyone was excited to go, so they took their vacations, booked their flights and off they went across the big pond.

After exiting the plane, the vet approached customs and was asked by the agent for his passport.

He fumbled a bit to look for it in his bag but couldn’t find it. His family came to his aid, but the French agent was incredibly impatient and rude.

“Sir, have you ever been to France,” he asked.

The veteran respectfully answered that he had.

“Well, you should know then that you should have your passport handy when entering France,” he said rather harshly.

Without missing a beat the vet fired back, “To be honest, the last time I was in France was on D-Day in 1944 and there wasn’t a fucking Frenchman in sight to show my papers to.”
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- stephieboy
  
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  noskire , at the time of the D day invasion France was under Nazi occupation.
  
  Thus no French passports to issue.
  
  An inept attempt at comedy.
  
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  April 24, 2018 10:53am
  - RalphT
    
    What on earth have French passports got to do with it? An American serviceman would show an American one; whether to a French official or a German soldier is irrelevant.
    
    An inept attempt at a response.
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:10am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Ralph T,
      
      “To be honest, the last time I was in France was on D-Day in 1944 and there wasn’t a fucking Frenchman in sight to show my papers to.”
      
      Have a more careful analysis and re-read.
      
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      April 24, 2018 11:15am
      - RalphT
        
        I suggest you reread your own comments, too.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:23am
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy,oh well at least septic isn’t transfixed on donald trump today, but he certainly knows everything about everything FFS.
        
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        April 24, 2018 11:38am
      - stigie
        
        Iv’e never seen someone so humourless than stiffy..?
        
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        April 24, 2018 12:08pm
  - 4077th
    
    An equally inept attempt at trolling!
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:11am
  - Sponge
    
    What a fucking moron. Dear god – I wonder if it can do its shoelaces up in the morning.
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:02pm
    - noskire
      
      No need for shoes in a swamp.
      
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      April 24, 2018 3:24pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck. Stephiboy you are an arsehole. The French Vichy Government ruled France during WW2. An inept attempt at History….
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rightoverlabour, not so ,
      
      “A Nazi-friendly French government takes power in Vichy
      Officially, Germany didn’t complete its conquest of France in 1940. Instead, France signed an armistice that preserved a degree of French sovereignty in the southern parts of France that had not yet been overrun by German troops. In a July 10 vote, the French Parliament voted to give power to a new, Nazi-friendly regime under former general Philippe Pétain. What sovereignty the Vichy government had was ended in November 1942, when the Nazis occupied the rest of France….”
      
      https://www.vox.com/2014/11/13/7148855/40-maps-that-explain-world-war-ii
      
      An inept attempt at history ?
      
      LOL
      
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      April 24, 2018 3:55pm
- Kimbo
  
  @ noskire
  
  I’ve posted it before, but almost as good as when, during the 1960s, then-French President Charles de Gaulle withdrew his nation from NATO, and requested the withdrawal of all American troops stationed in his country. On being told of the request, the American President, Lyndon Baines Johnson replied to his Secretary of State Dean Rusk in his best Texas hill-country drawl, “You ask Charles-de-fucking-Gaulle, ‘does that also include our boys buried at Omaha Beach?'”.
  
  The French request was then withdrawn. 😉
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:00am
Jack5

Leftist media shock, horror, shame, mass mea culpa …

NZ shocks some UN body. We need perspective before Andrew Little and the Human Rights Commission use it for propaganda purposes.

Stuff reports:

A UN human rights committee is shocked by New Zealand’s record on child poverty, inadequate housing, the incarceration rate, and violence, abuse and bullying.

Note that the committee’s 18 members include the representatives of such bastions of democracy as China, Russia, Belarus, Egypt, and Algeria. Another is Cameroon, where the English-speaking minority has been subject to murder and torture.

Could it be that the dictatorships and Third Worlders use this committee to nit-pick Western countries? Some of its work seems to have included attacking America for the poverty of some of its citizens. I think even New Zealand had to get exemption to shield itself from committee criticism for ending compulsory union membership.

Regardless, our media will use this report to flail our moral back today, ignoring what a weird outfit the committee is. It is part of the office of the United Nations Commissioner on Human rights. Its title is the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR). The committee meets in Geneva twice a year.

The committee monitors implementation of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights by its states’ parties.

Here’s how the UN, on one of its internet sites, describes the committee’s operation:

All states parties are obliged to submit regular reports to the committee on how the rights are being implemented. States must report initially within two years of accepting the covenant and thereafter every five years. The committee examines each report and addresses its concerns and recommendations to the state party in the form of “concluding observations”.

Stuff report:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103333083/geneva-human-rights-committee-shocked-at-nzs-human-rights-report-card
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April 24, 2018 10:54am
- Rich Prick
  
  Dear UN, as a country we are embarrassed and appalled at our record on “child poverty” and “human rights”. So, we pulled out the UN phone book for some inspiration and have set our aspiration. We started with the A’s and have decided with immediate effect that we will raise our child poverty and human rights standards to match those of Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola and Azerbaijan. Next week we will look at the B’s. Yours, New Zealand.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:09am
  - softail 1450
    
    RP Andorra ,i was always under the impression that they had a very high standard of living ,possibly to much gambling and alcohol….
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:47am
    - Jack5
      
      Just noticed this crap report from the UN committee was sensationalised as the main article on the front page of the Southland Times.
      
      PC garbage. Barely a ripple, if any, in the Otago Daily Times.
      
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      April 24, 2018 2:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        While the UN garbage dominates the Southland Times front page, in second place below is a report that the Te Anau air-ambulance service still faces the axe.
        
        This, despite two North Island regions getting a reprieve for their air ambulance service.
        
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        April 24, 2018 2:49pm
- rangitoto
  
  Poverdy is why so many immigrants want to come here. Look what awesome poverdy they have in NZ, lets go there. Seriously the poorest person in NZ is wealthier than 90% of the population of those countries on the hoomin wights committee. Compare welfare dole outs here with the average income of those countries.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:22am
  - kevn
    
    @rangitoto… Immigrants on benefits here save money easily on our NZ benefits. Free money, awesome.
    
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    April 24, 2018 11:27am
- Philview
  
  I read the article as well and do question what Andrew Little handed to them in the first place. Anecdotally, I hear many stories of people with no money having 5 kids, so no surprise this will exacerbate poverty. Then those kids rapidly breed and ever increasing wealth inequalities are created. The way Labour talk it is as if a few rich people are hording lots of money and screwing the rest of us.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:24am
- holysheet
  
  They just don’t like anyone beating them at this. The competition to be at the bottom is very intense.
  Even shit hole countries need to be seen to be the best at something.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:47pm
kevn

clarke gayford got the pricker I see. Thin skinned media star. Check out his youtube relationship skills video. JA has got herself a right prat.
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April 24, 2018 11:22am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m not at all sure about the “star” bit, “whore” might be a bit more accurate.
  
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  April 24, 2018 11:28am
- KevOB
  
  By their prats they are known.
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:42pm
- RF
  
  Mike Hosking put Ardern on the spot this morning suggesting that her boyfriend settle down and not to react publicly to adverse comments.
  
  It was in response to Deborah Hill Cone virtually calling him a sleeze and his response was that she was a bottom feeding fish.
  
  Ardern claims that he was only talking about fishing but this stupid half arsed answer fell flat.
  
  Later she claimed that she did not know what Cone had said but this would be another one of her many lies as Lover boy would have been screaming about the comments.
  
  This boy is turning out to be a right dick head.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:32pm
  - Felt
    
    “right dick head”
    
    and long may it last as he has now successfully pissed off all the media, and the media have their guns loaded, aimed and ready to fire!
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:53pm
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      I thought it was laced with quite a warning at the end of Hill Cone’s article.
      
      He could be in for a bit of a media beating me thinks
      
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      April 24, 2018 2:18pm
Manolo

Ought to buy this book:
https://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21740724-barbara-ehrenreich-wants-readers-ditch-illusion-control-over-their-bodies-life
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April 24, 2018 11:50am
stephieboy

Toronto assailant identified,

” CBS News sources identified the suspect as Alek Minassian, 25, and obtained a photo of him from social media Monday evening…”

Clean shaven and a very Muslim sounding name.

Interesting!
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April 24, 2018 12:08pm
- Manolo
  
  Allahu akbar, stephieboy!
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:16pm
  - rangitoto
    
    It was just Alek’s Snackbar.
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:56pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I am glad that Alek Minassian was captured alive, despite attempts at “death by cop” after he was cornered.
  It will be interesting to take his mind apart in the search for information that authorities could use to formulate policies to help prevent this kind of crime.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:04pm
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder if he’ll find himself in a Catch 22 like the most famous Armenian ever, Yossarian.
    
    If you attempt suicide by cop that is crazy , but having made a rational decision to get himself shot by a cop , he can’t be crazy….
    
    (Apologies to Joseph Heller)
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:04pm
- kevn
  
  @septic… Armenian with a bald head.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:04pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Armenian are mostly Orthodox Christian. Thought to be the first nation to adopt Christianity as their official religion.
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:52pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very interesting, considering who Minassian Media work for….
  (but we musn’t be conspiracy buffs, must we?)
  https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiInAction/comments/6lbgof/we_have_not_discussed_minassian_media_and_the/
  
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  April 24, 2018 2:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, try working with this kind of known facts first before jumping on your conspiracy bandwagons,
    
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/alek-minassian-driver-van-hit-pedestrians-toronto-canada/
    
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    April 24, 2018 4:11pm
MH

or Jacinda -Valley, Plains, Outer Adernia ? If the population could be removed from Poverty Bay the stats would be much improved. Probate Bay ?Renaming would save on transdeportation. Mothers wrenched from the breasts of their children. Oh the shame of it. Is St John (sinjin) The Breakfast Campbell still buttering sandwedges during the holidays ?
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April 24, 2018 12:20pm
Chuck Bird

Fletch, whether it is sinful or not is not as important to me the health aspect. It is very unhealthy. I wonder how many heterosexual liberals would be happy to get a blood transfusion from male homosexuals.
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April 24, 2018 12:25pm
- Kimbo
  
  And the relevance to a gay-friendly counter-Israel “gays are going to hell” Folau campaign by rugby – which has strict guidelines about the potential exposure to blood on the field of play – is…?
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:33pm
  - Kimbo
    
    But on second thoughts, my apologies Chuck. This is General Debate, and in order to relieve my boredom I’ve been known to steer a thread in the direction of an interesting and not altogether-disconnected tangent. ?
    
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    April 24, 2018 12:40pm
- Fletch
  
  Yup, and then you have a story in the Herald last year stating that “Eight in 10 of the 109 infected with HIV in New Zealand in 2015 were either gay or bisexual”, and in Stuff last week saying that “Gay or bisexual men made up 70 per cent of [syphilis] cases, in which 21 per cent were also HIV positive.”
  
  Being that less than 2% of the population is gay, that’s an awfully big percentage of gay people getting HIV and syphilis. No one really has to wonder why, do they? It’s gay sex.
  
  And then people wonder when I complain about our biggest sports teams promoting a lifestyle that is prone to disease, substance abuse, self harm, and a high level of suicide.
  
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  April 24, 2018 12:52pm
  - Kimbo
    
    You do know that if Folau had sent the message
    
    “Roman Catholics are going to hell” (as some Protestants have been known to believe according to their interpretation of the Scriptures)
    
    …and Rugby responded with a “there is nothing wrong with being a Catholic” anti-discrimination campaign,
    
    …that is not the same as “promoting a (Catholic) lifestyle”.
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:08pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Indeed. Sports teams should promote healthful activities and lifestyles.
    Say “No” to:
    – Illegal drugs
    – Unsafe sex
    – Smoking
    – Excessive drinking
    – Lifestyles where practitioners exhibit statistically significantly higher-than-average rates of suicide or self-harm
    
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    April 24, 2018 1:08pm
  - MrTips
    
    Indeed Fletch, and then there’s this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20063233
    
    Homosexuals deserve respect just like anybody else. And part of that is pointing out obvious issues that even homosexual researcher’s themselves are identifying about the “lifestyle”: https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/gay-loneliness/
    
    People either deliberately or ignorantly confuse pointing things like this out as condemnation. Nothing could be further from the truth. And there are plenty of faith based organisations that try and help homosexuals without denying who or what they are and believe.
    
    And as for rugby munters getting all houghty-toughty about the Israel Folau issue: well, we’ll take what you say with a grain of salt when things like the Chiefs squad sexual scandal occurred not so long ago. There is not enough carpet in NZ rugby circles…….
    
    Mark Reason has a very good article today pointing out the the provocateur, one Mike Sephton-Poultney needs a bit more sunlight. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/103349623/mark-reason-better-to-call-in-an-airstrike-on-social-media-than-shoot-israel-folau
    
    Folau’s words were not the most diplomatic, granted, but he was also misquoted.
    
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    April 24, 2018 3:52pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I usually respect your opinion as more considered than Fletch’s even though you both share the Catholic faith, but a couple of things. With that in mind, MrTips:
      
      Folau’s quote wasn’t dealing with the potential harmful (earthly) health issues of the gay (genetic?) disposition and/or lifestyle.
      
      How has Folau’s comment/answer that (unrepentant) gays go to hell been misquoted?
      
      Serious question – as I asked Fletch above, would your judgement still be the same if Folau had said, as per the sincere and allegedly-Scriptural beliefs of more-extreme Protestants, that Roman Catholics who remain within their church also go to hell? And if he had, what would your reaction to AIG and NZ Rugby have been if they said and did nothing?
      
      Also journalist Mark Reason’s story angle is criticising someone for asking a leading uestion of a celebrity/sports star?! ?
      
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      April 24, 2018 4:07pm
      - MrTips
        
        Dear Kimbo. Please try and think. If Folau had said that unrepentant, sinning Catholics could go to hell, I would have no problem with that because its true. That is the proper comparison, not what some 15th Century self-indulgent preacher said.
        
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        April 24, 2018 4:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ MrTips
        
        No, I’d suggest you need to try and think it through. From the ultra-Protestant perspective, remaining within the Catholic Church (the “Babylon” of Revelation chapter 17), including and especially if the orthodox and “faithful” Catholic puts their trust in Rome’s prescribed means of ministering and manifesting repentance and forgiveness (the sacraments of confession, supreme unction and Indulgences)
        
        …is the reason they go to hell!
        
        Miss you on Kimbo’s kick arse pub quiz team, btw. ?
        
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        April 24, 2018 4:19pm
MCos

The big cheese at Wells Fargo Bank in America took home $20mil last year.
That’s a lot of money.

I remember hearing an interview with Elton John in which he said he got more pleasure listening to an LP back in the days when he had to scratch around for money to buy the albumn than he did now when he could buy a whole record shop.
I wonder if I had the Wells Fargo bloke’s dosh I could make the Blues win again!
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April 24, 2018 1:08pm
- 4077th
  
  Nope, seems to me there is not enough money in the world. On the bright side, the Warriors are either best team in the comp or the rest are really shit. My bet is the latter :-0
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:36pm
LisaGinNZ

If you are a dog lover, keep an eye out for 6 month old Cavoodle “Bowie” who was STOLEN outside a New Lynn shop couple days ago – Stuff, Western Leader and NZ Herald have coverage – there is now CCTV of the perp:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12038564
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April 24, 2018 1:38pm
- 4077th
  
  Am in that area Lisa. Will keep an eye out!
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:42pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Likewise. Got the flyer in our letterbox yesterday.
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Just an important reminder never leave your dog anywhere unguarded.
  
  Unfortunately, the CCTV does not give a clear view of the offender.
  
  Also, the poor mite could well be used as bait in dogfights. Another reason to take extra special care. A glimmer of hope if Bowie was chipped. Essential in this day of age.
  
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  April 24, 2018 1:59pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    stephie. You deserved an uptick for your compassion for the dog, but that’s the first time you’ve ever got one from me.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:02pm
JasonJohns

Prediction: tomorrow the NZDF will emerge from its barracks and become visible to the public. Listen for the canon blasts. They may make the state tremble.

The ideological machine Kimbo will have no answer to those blasts.
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April 24, 2018 1:53pm
- Kimbo
  
  It’s all about priorities, JJ. As long as they don’t engage in crimes against humanity like the gratuitous use of emphatic adverbs, I’ve got nothing to say. ?
  
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  April 24, 2018 2:13pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Are you utterly sure you’ve got absolutely nothing to say?
    
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    April 24, 2018 5:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Undoubtedly! 😉
      
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      April 24, 2018 5:27pm
- simpleton1
  
  Canon blasts may be like when the walls of Jericho crumbled when the trumpets sounded.
  
  Canonical indeed, with a lot of huffing and puffing.
  
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  April 24, 2018 2:27pm
Manolo

These primitives never left the seventh century:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/afghan-girl-spends-life-disguised-as-son-her-parents-wanted/ar-AAwfRjf

Sitara Wafadar yearns for long hair like other girls. Instead, the Afghan teenager has disguised herself as a boy for more than a decade, forced by her parents to be the “son” they never had.

With five sisters and no brothers, Sitara lives by the gender-twisting custom known as “bacha poshi”, which in Dari refers to a girl “dressed as a boy”, enabling her to safely perform the duties of a son in the patriarchal country.

The 18-year-old, who resides with her impoverished family in a mud-brick house in a village in Afghanistan’s eastern province of Nangarhar, has pretended to be a boy for most of her life.
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April 24, 2018 1:57pm
- RalphT
  
  Acting come naturally to these people; many of them try to have us believe that they belong to a religion of peace.
  
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  April 24, 2018 2:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ralph T, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful and most for example who live here ( like elsewhere ) do accommodate themselves to the twenty-first century
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      Another roster change at Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
      Change in punctuation and construction.
      
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      April 24, 2018 2:25pm
      - sooty
        
        Is it 3, 9 or 23 today?
        
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        April 24, 2018 4:28pm
    - simpleton1
      
      An overwhelming number of muslims are guided to when they can to support the opposite of that so called peace, and make all others submit to Allah, and the laws found in the koran, sira and hadith.
      A good muslim is supposed to follow the guidance of Allah as per the messenger of Mohammad the perfect man,.
      
      koran 2:216 : Sahih International translation
      “Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.”
      
      Mohammadism enjoins naturally good, kind and loving people to go against their natural human empathy and kindness.
      Acting and of being of two minds.
      Is there any greater evil?
      Just read the koran chronologically , noting the abrogation verses.
      Why do muslims, imams etc.. not come out and publicly deny these very words and much of the koran!?
      
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      April 24, 2018 2:38pm
- Andrei
  
  And these primatives have lost their fucking minds
  
  The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.
  
  Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.
  
  The world is weird Manolo and not only in Afghanistan
  
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  April 24, 2018 2:16pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Berkeley is the necessary clue to understanding this.
    
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    April 24, 2018 2:22pm
Jack5

Christchurch developer Dave Henderson is again back from bankruptcy and is planning a big development, it’s reported today in the Christchurch Press.

I wonder where Dave will raise cash this time round?

This link gives the background, and his appeal against a ruling restricting him from being a company director:

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/dave-henderson-loses-appeal-against-conditions-imposed-bankruptcy-discharge-b-207855

The Christchurch Press article:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/103327130/dave-hendersons-comeback-bid-at-sol-square-has-timeless-grandeur

NZ has two David Hendersons who are or were property developers. We’ve been talking about the Christchurch Dave Henderson.
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April 24, 2018 2:23pm
Jack5

Jacinderella and her motley Government are going to be in huge trouble if Trump reinstates oil sanctions against Iran on May 12, as some insiders expect.

This could push oil prices to $US100 a barrel (from about $US68 at present).

NZ petrol prices, with such expensive crude as well as the Government’s taxes, will soar.

Given all the Labour-Green Coalition’s hostility to oil and gas, they are going to be cursed.
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April 24, 2018 3:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5, you wish?
  
  NZ according to this chart imports 6.6% of its oil from Iran .
  
  The bulk coming from Qatar ( 30%) , other middle eastern countries, Indonesia , Russia etc
  
  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V5muEfbQEp0/TfR4R4Z6VbI/AAAAAAAAFQg/FaLJakiNu1U/s1600/nz_oil_imports_by_country.gif
  
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  April 24, 2018 4:16pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X, time for you to learn how the non-Muslim world works. New Zealand pays the world price for its imported oil.
    
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    April 24, 2018 4:50pm
Rich Prick

Barrrrrf!

… and the compromise they came up with was adding the bee into the romper’s lining.

I hopeless with fashion advice, but less is more, never mess with the lining.
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April 24, 2018 3:18pm
MrTips

Clarke Gayford, keep diggin boy.

BLOODY PRICELESS!!! Check out the nasal comments down this list (oh and the stupid one from our PM):
https://twitter.com/NZClarke/status/988560160313360385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzherald.co.nz%2Fnz%2Fnews%2Farticle.cfm%3Fc_id%3D1%26objectid%3D12038620&tfw_creator=nzherald&tfw_site=nzherald
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April 24, 2018 4:02pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Look at me, look at me!!!! ?
  
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  April 24, 2018 5:33pm
- RF
  
  I am gob smacked after reading that. What childish
  crap.
  
  She is supposed to be a PM. What are they on ???
  
  They deserve each other.
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:25pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Well I didn’t throw up, but some may have. Pull your shorts up little boy, act like a millennial. You are the Prime Minister’s Wife, act like it FFS
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:28pm
- lifesgood
  
  What is most priceless is the comments many of which mention, in a round about way, that which must not be mentioned. What a moron!
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:37pm
Nookin

The Minister of Health does not emerge from this story smelling of roses!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103249836/middlemore-hospital-what-really-went-down-between-health-minister-and-counties-manukau-dhb
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April 24, 2018 4:25pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Those guys obviously got dumped because they’re Nats. Can’t have that!
  I used to have dealings with Darrow and he’s a straight-shooter. Clark sounds like a right prat, and like other Ministers in this ‘Government’ he’s seems to be on a power trip, prone to making unilateral decisions without consultation just to suit his agenda.
  
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  April 24, 2018 5:09pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Clark is well known for not wanting to meet with anyone since becoming Minister.
    He clearly has no answers.
    
    This is a plan led by Grant Robertson and other senior Labour Ministers to soften the NZ public for a budget that will have no sweeteners, primarily by blaming everything on the previous Government. Their sycophantic supporters will accept this lock, stock and barrel and will give them a chance to chant their usual stock of phrases such as “Nasty Nats, baby-eating Key, neo-liberalism”.
    
    Blaming the previous government is standard MO for an incoming mob – regardless of reality.
    
    Evidence and data means nothing to the frothy-mouthed left.
    
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    April 24, 2018 5:55pm
ex-golfer

Penny gets a further reprieve – judicial madness in my book:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/103360383/rates-activist-penny-bright-secures-lastminute-respite-from-forced-sale-of-her-home

So she will file for a judicial review and Auckland will continue to have to put up with the pest.
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April 24, 2018 4:49pm
- stigie
  
  How does the parasite do it, she is quiet smug about this judicial review having three days to do what ?
  She’s had 10 fucking years to settle her rates and she says she’s being bullied.
  This is one mad nutcase when she says the books should be opened only to find something in there for the mad women to keep refusing to pay !~
  She’s bought all this illness on herself. Im having trouble to feel sorry for her !~
  
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  April 24, 2018 5:34pm
  - Swifty
    
    I agree stigie.
    
    Odds on that if her wants were complied with she’d just move on to something else.
    
    Remember this all started years before the ‘rates’ stuff with her stand against water charges.
    
    Council and the NZ public are being played like a fiddle. I’m now convinced of it.
    
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    April 24, 2018 6:19pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      How about Watercare? Has she been paying that bill? Costs me $80 to $100 per month – yes, per month. Does Penny get water supplied? and if so where does the waste water go, and storm water go?
      Watercare is separate from Rates
      
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      April 24, 2018 6:36pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes. Was part of Len Brown’s sleight-of-hand to keep rates rises to a minimum by billing it as a separate charge!
        
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        April 24, 2018 6:40pm
- publicwatchdog
  
  And what have YOU done to help ensure transparency in the spending of public rates monies?
  
  Tell us.
  
  It shouldn’t take you long 🙂
  
  Kind regards
  
  Penny Bright
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:35pm
  - sooty
    
    What have you ever achieved?
    
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    April 24, 2018 7:49pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Fuck off you stupid bludging bat.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:06pm
  - Nookin
    
    I would expect that a very significant number of the people who comment here contribute many unpaid hours to community or charitable causes.
    
    They do not, however, sing it from the roof-tops, demand attention, cause unecessary expense to others, refuse to pay their way and expects others to pick up their tab.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:03pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Fuck off leech.
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:41pm
nasska

Last night on GD our fellow commenter & legal expert “alex Masterley” replied in answer to a query about the likelihood of Penny’s application succeeding:

…..” But then again, you give these things a go. You never know what the outcome will be. Good old judicial risk”…..

He was most certainly spot on. The minds of our most senior judges, unsullied by reality or reason or common sense, ensure that we get some wild card decisions.
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April 24, 2018 5:35pm
- stigie
  
  What do you think is going on Nasska, would you or myself get away with this shit..?
  
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  April 24, 2018 5:42pm
  - nasska
    
    Not sure stigie. I tend to the theory that our judiciary are not corrupt so that only leaves senility or incompetence as possible answers.
    
    How Penny mesmerises them has got me beat.
    
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    April 24, 2018 5:49pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep. Hanlon’s Razor: never ascribe to malice that which incompetence can explain.
      
      Not that incompetence is necessarily the case here. Just as the Auckland Council have been very slow and have been very risk averse in initiating his action against a “rates protestor”, so the judge is probably erring on the side of caution.
      
      Best wishes and good luck to Penny, btw.
      
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      April 24, 2018 5:56pm
    - GoVege
      
      She’s actually not bad looking, nasska…..
      That probably explains it. 🙂
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:13pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”not bad looking”…..
        
        I wouldn’t ride her into battle! 🙂
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:21pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I wouldn’t ride her into battle!
        
        So the thought of a broomstick between your legs doesn’t turn you on? 🙂
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:27pm
    - publicwatchdog
      
      The Interim Injunction was granted on the mesmerising paperwork.
      And I’m not even a lawyer!
      😉
      Her Warship
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:31pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Fuck off leech.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:38pm
    - publicwatchdog
      
      How about the mesmerising legal arguments?
      Has that possibility occurred to you nasska?
      If not – why not?
      😉
      
      Penny Bright
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:39pm
      - Swifty
        
        I wouldn’t get too cocky if I were you.
        
        You going to pull all this victim crap again if your house is sold?
        
        ‘Persecuted’, ‘unfair’…… ‘picked on’.
        
        You’re not fooling anyone.
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:53pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Fuck off leech.
        
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        April 24, 2018 10:39pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  I’m surprised that the judge granted Penny an interim injunction. The legal requirements for an injunction are well-established. One requirement )balance of convenience) favours the status quo. But another requirement (serious question to be tried) is at best debatable.
  
  Section 74 of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002 states:
  
  Presumption of valid rating sale or lease
  (1) A rating sale or lease made under this Act is valid for all purposes, even if there has been an irregularity in the conduct of the sale or lease.
  (2) No purchaser or lessee is obliged to inquire whether the sale or lease was properly conducted.
  
  It seems to me that, to avoid section 74, Penny will need to establish that the sale process can’t lawfully proceed. I can’t see any compelling legal arguments but, as we’ve seen, the lottery of justice can be unpredictable.
  
  Penny can do a victory dance (for now) but she hasn’t won the war yet.
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:01pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Balance of convenience? Shit. Another reason why, along with the fact that the two lawyers who sought the interim injunction to stop the All Blacks touring South Africa in 1985 didn’t have legal standing (just because you are members of a rugby club doesn’t give you the right to have a judge say your judgement has more weight than the duly elected and appointed NZ Rugby Union Council)
    
    …should never have had it granted! Justice Casey – worst NZ activist judge ever. Makes Sian Elias look like the NZ version of Antonin Scalia! ?
    
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    April 24, 2018 6:17pm
    - Nookin
      
      Actually, Casey was one of the more engaging judges to appear before and I have never seen him referred to as an activist, previously.
      
      The two lawyers clearly had standing and the remedy of judicial review gives the little guy the chance to ensure that reviewable entities make lawful decisions and take into account the appropriate criteria. It took guts to take that case. Good on them.
      
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      April 24, 2018 7:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Wasn’t meant as a criticism of David Finnegan and Phil Recordon. Good luck to ‘em. But just because you belong to an organisation and you disagree with a decision of the leadership that is a reflection of the will of thousands of other members, doesn’t mean you should be accorded “standing” such that you are able to use the courts to override their decision. Is like you or me using the courts to sideline Jacinda Ardern and the cabinet, in defiance of the decision of millions of voters. Especially as the issue was as nebulous as “the good of rugby”.
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry, Patrick Finnegan. Both he and Phil Recordon are good guys, and I know they had what they considered was best for NZ rugby at heart. As also did the NZ Ugby Union councillors, who accepted the invite to send the aall Blacks to South Africa. And who also, unlike Finnegan and Recordon, had put their names forward and had been rewarded by the rugby community with the authority to make decisions on their behalf. They, unlike Finnegan and Recordon (to quote your unjustified emphatic adverb) clearly had standing.
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:15pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I am as surprised as you Nostradamus about the outcome.
    Some fine central pinot noir from queensbury has helped me get over the shock.
    I didn’t think Penny would get over the line in terms of either balance of convenience or serious question.
    But it is only, according to the Herald, a temporary reprieve until Friday to enable her to file an affidavit in support of her application for judicial review. That should be, in due course, an interesting read.
    I think we watch this space.
    
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    April 24, 2018 9:24pm
Morrissey

SIGN THIS PETITION:
Remove Ian Smith from Sky Rugby commentary team.

Ian “Smithy” Smith should be removed from the commentary box because he has no idea what he’s talking about. I can’t handle his stupidity anymore. There must be thousands of people more qualified to commentate test rugby than him.

Richard Toki·4 weeks ago

He’s shit
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April 24, 2018 5:59pm
- Morrissey
  
  As of 6.04 p.m. two supporters of asinine commentary have registered with us.
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    Fuckwit.
    
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    April 24, 2018 6:16pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Thanks, Swifty. That’s a bit generous to Smith, however.
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:13pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Morrissey:
    
    As of 6.04 p.m. two supporters of asinine commentary have registered with us.
    
    The current tally for your 5.59 pm comment is 2 upticks and 12 downticks.
    
    Are you saying the 2 people who upticked you support your asinine commentary on Kiwiblog?
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:15pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Yes I am Nostradamus. Yes I am.
      
      https://giphy.com/gifs/paleycenter-paleyfest-la-l0Iy35eoO9tXVzJuM/tile
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:27pm
- stigie
  
  Ian Smith has so much knowledge of the game especially test cricket Morris, more bloody knowledge than you knowing who groped who..?
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:06pm
- Nookin
  
  Good idea. Replace him with the screeching skull.
  
  Even Morrissey could not fail to be impressed with the intellect, dynamism and acute appreciation of the subtleties of sport that Danny Morrison can bring to the table.
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:37pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  What a load of shit.
  
  Fuck off.
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:37pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Agreed, C-mon! Let’s all get behind this bloke and give Smith the message:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzdxly0Y9Q
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:17pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Fuck You Mossey.
      
      Spin your bullshit somewhere else you gormless cunt.
      
      You’d rival Stephie-head for the dumbest piece of shit this side of Texas.
      
      And fuck your mate and the horse he rode in on.
      
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      April 24, 2018 8:34pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Horse?
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Have you noticed that both stephieboy and Morrissey used the adjective asinine today when attempting to belittle other folks’ comments.
        
        Spooky, eh?
        
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        April 24, 2018 8:52pm
      - nasska
        
        One of them is guilty of plagiarism Maggy! 🙂
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:00pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy at 9:56am: “What an asinine thing to say!”
        
        Morrissey at 6.04 pm: “[T]wo supporters of asinine commentary have registered with us”.
        
        It’s an extraordinary day when someone plagarises Stephieboy!
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska
        
        I’m on to it.
        
        I’ve made a 2 column list of words employed by alleged offenders and I’m running a sophisticated inferential statistical program on them.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh hell, Nostradamus..
        
        my program has another 75 hours to run..
        and you find the reprobate just like that!
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:10pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        I have a full-time job (unpaid) as Kiwiblog’s resident archivist. I’m happy to make way for your “sophisticated inferential statistical program” and look forward to your analysis of our contributions!
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Nostradamus,
        
        Don’t hand in your Archivist resignation.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW,
        
        “I’ve made a 2 column list of words employed by alleged offenders..”
        
        .Is that all you can do in your spare time? What a sad life, you seem to lead.
        
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        April 24, 2018 9:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Remove Morrissey from Kiwiblog comments team.
  He’s a fuckwit.
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Captain Mainwaring, DPF’s self-appointed Mongrel Mob Bull pit?
    
    https://www.vice.com/sv/article/dp5vmw/portraits-of-new-zealands-mighty-mongrel-mob
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:08pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Cap’n, let’s face it: the worst fuckwit on Kiwiblog—and there are some pretty dismal examples here*—is Albert fucking Einstein compared to Ian Smith.
    
    * Perhaps including this writer, i.e., moi.
    
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    April 24, 2018 8:15pm
stephieboy

stigie and nasska etc, there is hope for you all here,

US soldier gets world’s first penis and scrotum transplant

A team of US doctors has successfully carried out the world’s first total transplant of a penis and scrotum.

“Surgeons at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, performed the operation on a soldier who had been wounded by a bomb in Afghanistan.
They used a penis, scrotum and partial abdominal wall transplanted from a deceased donor.

They say the soldier should be able to regain sexual function, which is impossible with penis reconstructions…”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43873058
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April 24, 2018 6:03pm
- nasska
  
  What the hell would I do with a penis and scrotum transplant?
  
  I can barely get underwear to fit what I’ve got now! 🙂
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:10pm
  - cmm
    
    I know what you mean.
    
    My missus had to get a new license:
    Class 4 – heavy rigid vehicles
    
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    April 24, 2018 6:46pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  You can have all of the leftover donor cocks, stupid boy. Some come from girls, some come from goats
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:40pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  You had one transplanted onto your shoulders stephie- head?
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:39pm
stigie

There’s hope for you yet Stiffy if you keep letting the goats suck you off and the unmentioned happened !~
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April 24, 2018 6:10pm
mandk

This comes as no surprise, but it is a scandal nonetheless:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/04/government-did-no-cost-benefit-analysis-on-oil-and-gas-ban.html

Labour: Let’s destroy this!
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April 24, 2018 6:29pm
- Swifty
  
  Labour are lying to us, openly.
  
  A transparent government my arse.
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:25pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Well, if governments provided BCRs for everything they proposed, hardly anything would ever get done, which might be a good thing.
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:58pm
  - mandk
    
    But we’re not talking about a tuppeny ha’penny project here, are we?
    
    We’re talking about a policy decision, that is likely to have profound and lasting effects, that was made on the spur of the moment.
    
    Stupid
    
    Stupid
    
    Stupid.
    
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    April 24, 2018 10:00pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12038778

Wordsmiths should do better than this:

Having a knife on you (which I do on a daily basis) is not “knife-wielding”.

“wielding” means holding a weapon or tool ready to use it.

If it is just in your pocket then it is now wielding.

But, hey, nobody was going to click on “man has a pen-knife in his pocket”.
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April 24, 2018 6:33pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  “Having a knife on you (which I do on a daily basis) ”
  Me too. A less than 20mm (closed) knife on my keyring.
  Hey, man has something hard in his pocket, no worries, it’s just a gun!
  Oh hey that is a joke, there are a lot of fucked up lefties here tonight…
  The evening before ANZAC
  
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  April 24, 2018 6:57pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    Anzac Day. Full capitalisation not required.
    
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    April 24, 2018 7:59pm
- Swifty
  
  Heh.
  
  While I was actually working for Air NZ I shot down to CHC one day for a meeting carrying on a bag I had just grabbed that morning.
  
  Turns out it had half a dozen Remmington 7mm-08 rounds I had completely overlooked after a recent hunting trip.
  
  Oops!
  
  Interesting though that there was nothing I could do to get them back – the AvSec chick just said No! they will be confiscated and destroyed which I thought a little over the top.
  
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  April 24, 2018 7:31pm
nasska

I hope that the CoL & their forestry experts have thought everything through. Generally it’s pastoral farmers that attract the Green wankers’ shit but silviculture is considered benign as it soaks up all that evil CO2. Yet:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/103327592/bay-of-plenty-forestry-operation-labelled-extremely-reckless

Admittedly this is an extreme case but there’s no way you can harvest a pine tree growing on medium to steep country without dislodging detritus into streams & rivers.

Have the frog lovers & snail kissers in the current government really thought this through?
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April 24, 2018 8:18pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Have the frog lovers & snail kissers in the current government really thought this through?
  
  Probably not, but a ~~conversation~~ ~~working group~~ committee will ensure that the best decision ~~for taxpayers~~ the Labour Party is made!
  
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  April 24, 2018 8:22pm
dcrown

Jordan Peterson can not comprehend the difference between the impeachment or conviction of a sitting USA president (Real Time w/ Liberal Bill Maher).

Sad!
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