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Captain Mainwaring

This week has been the high point of Princess Stardust’s so-far brief tenure.
Hob-nobbing it with the world’s leaders and getting gushing adulation in the media for her youth, her pregnancy and the fact that she can spin a good yarn without saying anything. Didn’t have to explain how she got the top job by virtue of a bitter old man with grudges to settle.
Next week it will be back to the real world: questions to answer about tanking business confidence, Joyce’s hole which is twice as deep as even he thought it was, banks and builders running away from Twitford’s ‘affordable’ $600K tenements, abandoning helicopter rescue services, screwing motorists to pay for a 19th century tram track, destroying our economic future by banning oil & gas exploration etc.etc.etc.
One can only hope that Bridges and his team have spent the last week heating up the blowtorch.
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April 21, 2018 8:01am
- Awww C-mon
  
  At the risk of a stoning… I thought Jacinda had a good week and the international hob-knobbing went well.
  Perhaps that is her strength and where she should consider he future, the tilt at the UN seems to be the common thought and seems about right.
  But yes, We need the blow torch applied and fast.
  
  No offence to DPF and my fellow commentators, but KB is predictable in its outrage (and its valid outrage) over the COL. It would be boring if not to scary!
  
  How long to the general public come around though? and how much of the damage done by these fools will actually be repaired or repairable?
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:10am
  - Paulus
    
    So what good does the hobnobbing in Europe to to the Catastrophe she has wrought in New Zealand.
    Pretty pictures of sweet FA.
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:33am
  - mikewasmild
    
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    You overestimate the ability of a government to make fundamental changes. No government has done anything much along those lines wince the mid-80s. So you don’t need to worry, really. The minor changes the present government is making will be perfectly compatible with the very modest ambitions of the next government.
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:43am
    - niggly
      
      Jacinda doesn’t seem to realise it, but if the LabourGreensNZF govt continues to undermine the foundations of NZ’s prosperity (eg if farming & dairy next, to follow O&G exploration), then the damage done will be as notable as “rogernomics” was to NZ in the 1980’s (in terms of mass job losses at the time especially in the regions), except this time it will be larger as NZ’s prosperity won’t recover (as it eventually did under the “neo-liberal” reforms).
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:56am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        The undermining the foundations of NZ’s prosperity is the goal for this government. They know they’re going to be on the outer for a long time and this term is all about embedding destructive policies (that the utterly cucked Labour Lite National govt that will follow – will not reverse) and really ramping up poverdy to create a platform for the great socialist struggle that will herald the end of capitalism.
        
        There is no other rational explanation for the crazed things they’re doing right now.
        
        We’re watching lipsticked and airbrushed evil at work here.
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:58am
      - mikewasmild
        
        I think you are overstating the case for the ‘neo-liberal’ reforms, niggly, which seem to have left New Zealand in much the same place vis-a-vis Australia, which adopted much less disruptive changes.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:01am
      - mikewasmild
        
        What a horribly nightmarish fantasy world you inhabit, DifferentPersepctive. Don’t you ever get tired of assuming the worst of your imaginary enemies?
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:03am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        MWM – you talk about these things in terms like “nightmarish” as if they’re only dreams.
        
        And would that they were. We see that 48,000 nightmarish and preventable deaths resulted from the energy poverdy policies in the UK. In the name of a socialist false climate change idol.
        
        We see the once proud and beautiful state of Sweden turning into a nightmarish third world shit hole through pursuit of the same sort of socialist lunacy that the CoL are chasing after.
        
        We can see the nightmarish mess that socialist policies to oust colonial powers has resulted in in black Africa.
        
        We see the nightmarish spectre of book-burning and black-shirted anti-free speech terrorists in the US fomented by the hard-left socialists in the US. Along with the KGB-like behaviour of state security services colluding with socialist parties to carry out a coup on a duly elected leader.
        
        We see the nightmarish emergence of London as Europe’s murder capital as the very self-same refugee policies that the CoL wants to introduce here take effect in the UK.
        
        We see the nightmarish and Orwellian ‘wrongthink’ attacks on conservatives under the influence of extremist cultural marxists.
        
        The evidence is all around us of these things that you imply are not real. I reject the thesis that the hard left are utter morons, it’s implausible. And the only explanation that remains is that they’re implacably evil in the pursuit of their doctrinaire goals – just like the idols of their past. And the 100 million deaths resulting from socialism in the 20th Century was possible only through the sort of denial that you exhibit so capably.
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:44am
    - softail 1450
      
      mikewasmild “wince”is the word when it comes to some of your posts mikey.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:01am
      - mikewasmild
        
        Touché
        Apologies to Jack5 for using a diacritical mark.
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:44am
      - itstricky
        
        At least it will give Jack something to ‘worthwhile’ to look forward to complaining about. One could almost say it was his raison d’être.
        
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        April 21, 2018 12:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        Gidday, Itstricky. You’re posting at 12.58.
        
        Time for you to rush off to whine and dine.
        
        What poor table mate are you punishing today with your socialist claptrap?
        
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        April 21, 2018 2:10pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      While in the main, I agree. The government tinkers and the people continue on with life Mike,
      
      The oil and gas one will have significant ramifications as international investment dries up.
      
      Wasted opportunity as well as wasted money need to reconciled, wasting money on a team set is one thing, the roading infrastructure that is now shelved is another. The opportunity cost is huge.
      
      The lies around the dairy industry pre election and signals being made so far are scary. Shane’s billion dollar bribes will not counter the damage this government is doing to the regions.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:03am
      - mikewasmild
        
        Those are pretty piddly details in the big picture. One of the nice things about Kiwiblog is that it has introduced me to some other blogs with posts of better quality. A good example is the posts by ex-Reserve Banks staffer Michael Reddell – ‘Croaking Cassandra’ on DPF’s links on the right of this page. Reddell is particularly scathing about immigration policy, but also very good generally on New Zealand’s fundamental economic problems and the perennial failure by any politicians to address them with anything other than lip service.
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:17am
      - Paulus
        
        Remember it is the Greens c/- Peters who are in a position of Power to do whatever Russell Norman wants, and Labour can do nothing t stop them.
        They can pull the plug any time they want – but will not do so as they love the Power.
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:23am
    - srylands
      
      Stopping oil and gas exploration is a big deal in my view. Beyond the primary effects it can send chilling signals to other potential investors.
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:09am
  - Jack5
    
    What is the “COL” that Aww C-mon refers to?
    
    ICFOWTSF ….
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:49am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Cunts on the loose
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:04am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    When we were out last night just about everyone was airing their disgust with the COL and the Unions in general. The lone leftie at the table said well has the change affected any of you so far? Implying that we’re all doing really well so shouldn’t be bothered. Then started on about how managers should all take pay cuts and that more tax should be paid to eliminate poverty with higher handouts.
    How on earth do these people think that new employment law and non consultation implementation of ‘policy’ on things like oil/gas has had a real affect on anyone yet. Some people can’t see beyond their nose. Some of these people think that anyone doing better than themselves must be greedy, well maybe some of these people are actually contributing a lot to their communities, providing jobs, and actually care about helping people to help themselves towards a better life.
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:50am
    - mikewasmild
      
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      What a fun group of people you hang out with. Couldn’t you find a more amusing topic than your shared horror of a government slightly more socialist than the previous one?
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:24am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        There were plenty of amusing topics not just that one but thanks for your judgement Mike
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:19am
    - lifesgood
      
      I had dinner with a dyed in the wool lefty last night and he was vocal in his anger at this government. He said he hoped they wouldn’t get in again but hoped they would collapse sooner. I couldn’t believe it. He has voted Labour all his life.
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:21pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        It is not at all uncommon for the true believers to be very disappointed when they get a National or Labour government that is far less radical than what those believers have spent years fantasising about.
        
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        April 21, 2018 12:42pm
  - VicParking
    
    The MSM has flipped head over heals to spin every she does in the good light. A number of her actions and comments, especially if John Key had of done them, should have be shown up as amateur and/or childish.
    The stuffed $1.50 Kiwi, the Maori cloak, the selfies with Khan, her comment flip flop about the Syria strike, I could go on. Basically she is still the Commie Chick ? from Down Under.
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:59am
    - calendar girl
      
      Her feather-cloak stunt is the most brazen act of ‘look at me’ personal vanity that I have ever seen from a New Zealand Prime Minister.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:10am
      - Philview
        
        Ha Ha, Yes it seemed the opposite of the Kiwi girl next door persona she has been cultivating. She bowed to the Queen, I bet Helen Clark puked when she saw that.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:09am
      - Paulus
        
        Did I understand that Helen Clark was also in London as the same time as Calamity Cindy – as was Peters.
        What was Clark doing there, as I am sure she did not pay her own way there or was she on Cindy’s RNZAF plane for a freebie ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:25am
    - Harkman
      
      From observing One News, their reporters act like Cindy is popular with most of the country. She isn’t.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:14am
      - Nev.
        
        They have to call her “our” Prime Minister in every ad break to legitimise her role.
        Puke inducing.
        Nev.
        
        Edit: I note WG has mentioned the same below before I scrolled.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:20am
    - lifesgood
      
      Yep, that’s what she is called in both Oz and England, VicP. Her adoring msm can praise her all they like but it is still lipstick on a pig. Oh, and remember the outrage when Gareth called her that?
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:24pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    The international hob-bobbing appeared to go well for two reasons:
    Leadership appears to be at its nadir (May, Macron, Merkel), and,
    The worldwide trend to syndication means that over here they’re swallowing the background given them by the fawning luvvies from NZ.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:23am
- Cunningham
  
  I agree, it’s all good and well these leaders gushing over her but they don’t actually have to live with her as their PM.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    While we are having a moan, my big bugbear this week has been noticing the change by TVNZ News continually referring to Cindy as “Our” Prime Minister” instead of “the” Prime Minister. Just a small change but a showing their political preference!
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:41am
    - Jack5
      
      TVNZ’s Leftist bias becomes worse at weekends.
      
      It must have a B team of frustrated Leftists selecting news on Saturdays and Sundays.
      
      Meanwhile, much of its international news has been on the internet for a day, or even two days.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:25am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Wendy Petrie, weekday news anchor has been the voice I’ve noticed announcing “Our Prime Minister” accompanied with a large smile and a look of adoration, followed by the latest wonderful world exploits of Cindy. ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:04am
    - Rich Prick
      
      She is “their” Prime Minister. And it is an enduring love.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:52am
      - RalphT
        
        Our Cindy and our Wendy deserve each other.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:07am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Wendy is even more lightweight than Sound Bite Cindy. Toadilly vapid.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:51am
      - niggly
        
        Hey give “our” Wendy Petrie a break folks – she only reads what the numptie leftie Cindy loving TVNZ journos put onto her teleprompter to read!
        
        I’m pretty sure I recall her face was somewhat mortified/stunned when her co-host (IIRC the ever grinning Simon Dallow) announced that Winston First had chosen Labour instead of National to form the Government last October! 🙂
        
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        April 21, 2018 12:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Niggly, Wendy just reads? Or do her facial expressons also signal?
        
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        April 21, 2018 2:14pm
    - lifesgood
      
      The day Wendy Petrie fist pumped the pardon of a family murderer was the day I stopped ever watching or listening to her again.
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Trevor will not give National a chance anyway.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:32am
  - softail 1450
    
    paulus ,dont worry paulus there will be that many babies in the house soon that trevor wont know if he’s mallard ,quack quack,or dingo trev.
    national may be able to get in some good mileage on this shite C O L.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:06am
- jcuk
  
  ” a 19th century tram track” is a ridiculous assertion.
  Obviously a political statemen,t maybe based on ignorance if Capt W. has never been transported by one and I have in various cities in the States, the home of the car some say.
  Light rail fed by a sensible system of buses or similar, else car parks arranged out of the central city is the way any city considering itself up to date should go.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:24am
- Fletch
  
  Our leader, a pregnant, unmarried mother meeting the Queen. There’s something about it that leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Back in the day, it just wouldn’t be done. Now it is kind of expected.
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:19am
  - VicParking
    
    I notice the UK press called it “Prime Minister Adren and her Husband”
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:31am
    - matchbox
      
      Which paper called her “Adren”?
      
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      April 21, 2018 11:09am
  - matchbox
    
    Very true, Fletch. Plus there’s this.
    
    Everyone gushing over Cindy being mother of the nation and leader of the nation at the same time.
    
    But when Cindy has done mother and leader over decades and over 4 babies and over a Commonwealth of countries, as QEII has done, there might be some perspective.
    
    Then there was Cindy inviting Queenie to sit. “Darling”, QEII must have been thinking, “I’ll decide whether we sit or not”.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:08am
    - lifesgood
      
      No wonder the British still look down their noses at us.
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:28pm
      - RF
        
        Just another knocked up unmarried Kiwi chick…..
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:19pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      I agree. When Jacinda Ardern has three more babies and raises them while remaining in office, she will be *just like* Betty Windsor.
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:45pm
- GoVege
  
  That nice Mr Bridges…he’s the one who got criticized for trying to stop Kiwis getting skin cancer by banning sunbeds or something.
  What a lovely choice for National leader.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:18pm
Maxx

Finland to end basic income experiment

Interestingly they are heading somewhat in the opposite direction

“But in December last year, the Finnish parliament passed a bill that is taking the country’s welfare system in quite the opposite direction. The new ‘activation model’ law requires jobseekers to work a minimum of 18 hours for three months – if you don’t manage to find such a job, you lose some of your benefits.

Interesting that a Nordic country is ending a UBI experiment and simultaneuously moving towards welfare work requirements.”

http://uk.businessinsider.com/finland-to-end-basic-income-experiment-2018-4/?r=AU&IR=T
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April 21, 2018 8:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Good move by Finland.
  
  Social safety nets should not be used as hammocks by those who are able to work.
  
  Taking responsibility is good for people. It helps them to grow.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:35am
- Harkman
  
  These universal income schemes have been tried in numerous places, they have never delivered a superior performance, most likely a decline in productivity.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:20am
  - jcuk
    
    In a world of limited resources ‘increased productivity’ is hardly a desirable activity.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:28am
- VicParking
  
  Plant 10,000 trees or you loose the dole!!
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:33am
  - matchbox
    
    lose the dole, not loose. With or without multiple exclamation marks.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:14am
    - Inandout
      
      That ‘loose/lose’ error is very common in emails, and from supposedly high paid executives and journalists.
      
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      April 21, 2018 11:25am
    - GoVege
      
      Jeez…you sound like Kimbo! 🙂
      
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      April 21, 2018 11:45am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, I don’t do spelling or even grammar as such. Only deconstructing grammar when it is used to convey a suspect argument such as assumption, correlation equals causation, or a ~~non sequitur~~ logical non sequential. Or, in the case of Kimbo’s law, where words are used as rhetorical shills, deceitful glitter in which to roll an unpolishable turd of an idea.
        
        * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs”.
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:51am
    - waikatogirl
      
      loose like a mother goose ?
      
      We watched the movie ‘Every Which Way But Loose’ (1979?) with Clint Eastwood, a few weeks ago. Rollicking good fun. It was nostalgic seeing men behaving like men, although a bit of a send-up. Not a soyboy in sight.
      
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      April 21, 2018 1:59pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yeah WG…the good ole days huh?
        Somehow I think we’re a lot luckier to be around this millennium.
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:42pm
Swifty

More Chinese bullying on the Pacific?

“We want your house and there’s nothing you can do about it. Oh and we want you to shut up about it as well….”

https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/355634/china-s-lawyer-wants-tahiti-woman-to-keep-silent-over-rental-dispute
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April 21, 2018 8:05am
- mikewasmild
  
  It’s pretty tough on any property owner, anywhere, when they rent to diplomats who then abuse their legal privileges. Not much the host country can do.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:45am
  - sooty
    
    No Problem! Export them.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:04am
    - simpleton1
      
      First call them a spy!.
      Remove all doubt, utterly!.
      Then we may up our tally. 🙂
      
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      April 21, 2018 2:51pm
Monique Watson

$65 Million down the tubes:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12036414

Not sure if Mining company Trans-Tasman Resource were over optimistic or if they went in in good faith and got shafted at the last by political correctness.
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April 21, 2018 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There has been much more opposition and publicity 2nd time around than during their first application.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:32am
  - Monique Watson
    
    I saw that. Political environment then. It’s a pity as it would provide jobs and having played on that area as a kid I never once saw any sea fishing until you come up past the Manawapou river. Lots of river life. eeling, flounders etc in and around the the Waitotara but no fishing trawlers would bother going into the South Taranaki Bight.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:16am
    - Monique Watson
      
      And talk about crap emotive reporting:
      
      Mining company Trans-Tasman Resources (TTR) wants to “suck up” 50 million tonnes of sand a year from the seabed, and export 10 per cent to Asia. Suck it up my ass. The more correct phrasing is “extract”.
      
      Minimize the word count for maximum credibility, Chronicle noob.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:34am
      - GoVege
        
        50 million tonnes???
        They planning to leave any there?
        
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        April 21, 2018 6:12pm
      - artemisia
        
        In reply to GoVege – if your question is serious. Almost all of the sand is returned to the seabed after the extraction process.
        
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        April 21, 2018 7:35pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well in the Good old days…
      a few worked out of Castlecliff… and the Jap squiddies were just on the Horizon at night time.
      I remember a few Russian trawlers coming in.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11812092
      But it’s a treacherous coast and the sea sure churns when a decent storm (every few days) rolls in.
      
      Might be a few million years before the volcanoes stop eroding their iron sands into the Bight.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:44am
      - VicParking
        
        But Maggy once the Council gets hold of the $6 million from the government we will have Trawlers cueing up to use the flash new wharf, ferries running between Whanganui and who knows where every day and Container ships loading up exports from the Council’s glass works.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:39am
      - Monique Watson
        
        I forgot about the squid jiggers, Of course. And there isn’t any apparent reason why that industry couldn’t thrive alongside the Trans Tasman Resources venture.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:45am
      - RF
        
        Maggy.
        
        The good old days with Jap squid boats pushing the 12 mile limit. The night horizon was lit up like Xmas.
        
        Our local fishermen made some good money taking local girls out to the boats for 10 hour comfort breaks plus fresh Veges and Kiwi piss.
        
        My kitchen was full of large bottles of number 1 saki and soy sauce. Also some crap Suntory whisky. Cigs tasted like cardboard…
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:25pm
- artemisia
  
  No iron sands decision as yet and is some months away.
  
  In the past iwi have been ‘persuaded’ to agree to local mining. Surely nothing to do with being given a free carry interest aka koha aka bribe.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:45am
- Harkman
  
  The iwi wants a backhander that’s what these protests are all about. We’ve successfully turned Maori tribes into third world bureaucrats thanks to Treaty settlements.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “We’ve successfully turned Maori tribes into third world bureaucrats thanks to Treaty settlements.”
    
    Maori tribes are big corporations these days, those terrible “Rich Pricks” the left detest and believe exploit everyone else. I wonder why the left still see maori as in need of taxpayer help at every turn instead of allowing them to prosper on their own abilities!!
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Wait until the Waitangi Two Treaty is released in order to encourage to ditching of the Monarchy and the move towards the Republic of Aotearoa under President Clark.
    Drafts are floating around at Auckland University.
    
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    April 21, 2018 1:16pm
Inandout

Cindy Bins said the Queen will be a hard act to follow, whereas Cindy will be easy as; so absolutely useless she is. HM must cringe at times when obliged to meet PMs of her calibre.
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April 21, 2018 8:07am
- G152
  
  The Queen has spent her reign welcoming all manner of murderers, tyrants and other assorted human filth so Cindy would be a little light relief
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:15am
  - matchbox
    
    Cindy’s been gloating about being only one of four Commonwealth leaders to have audience with QEII.
    
    Seems no-one told Cindy that all the others had had their turn in previous years, and the four were simply those who were the newbies who had not yet had a turn. Liz was simply topping up her dance card.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:23am
    - dubya
      
      Thatcher said that she thought the Queen was probably a Lib Dem, so perhaps Liz was genuinely enamoured by Cindy’s inanity.
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:29pm
    - Komata
      
      Mtchbox
      
      ‘But, but, I got to meet THE QUEEN cos I’m ‘Important’ (Winnie says so)…’
      
      Notably, her Majesty keeps her coments and thoughts to herself, although No.10 will be made aware of her opinion about the shoolchild from down under
      
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      April 21, 2018 1:27pm
SGA

So the Auckland Blues lose to another NZ team again. That’s 15 in a row, and 25 of the last 26. They are lucky they are a based in a big market like Auckland. If the Chiefs or the Highlanders had a record like that, then people would be talking about closing down their franchise 🙂
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April 21, 2018 8:08am
- Awww C-mon
  
  We are talking about ending the blues…. NZ only needs 4 teams and they are the dis-functional ones.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:14am
  - SGA
    
    Can’t see it ever happen – their market is too big.
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:17am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      The potential market is significant, the actual market right now? In the doldrums and getting worse.
      
      It’s obviously a tough fix, but the status quo is not going to last.
      
      4 NZ teams and one pasifika team who play the islands and Auckland as home games?
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:36am
      - G152
        
        And there are still months were no rugby is played at all.
        No doubt there are plans afoot to stop this waste of time and bore the nation with 365/24 of rugby and a dedicated TV channel ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:29am
    - VicParking
      
      More spectators at the Warriors than at the Blues. More Fans and more merchandise sold
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:02am
      - sooty
        
        I believe aussie crickets are paid more tha the all blacks.
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:07am
  - 3-coil
    
    “Awww C-mon” – with the calibre of their players the Blooz are only a coach away from being competition champions again.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:44am
- MCos
  
  While at the same time, in another part of Auckland, the Warriors walked all over the best Australia could throw at them.
  In my neck of the woods there’s no doubting which code holds sway with Warriors jerseys stretched over big pukus all over the place and the only Blues ones to be seen are on the half price rack outside the local Op Shop.
  
  Yesterday three Mormon guys engaged me in the street outside my house . An American & a couple of PIs.
  Did we talk about God? No
  Did we talk about gays going to hell? No
  Did we talk about how well the Warriors were playing? You bet . . . . .
  Those guys know how to make their church appealing. I might even join up!
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Be very careful MCos – have you seen the undergarments they have to wear?
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:06am
    - mikewasmild
      
      I’ve no brief for the Mormons, but everyone can see they are more sincere Christians than our tepid Anglicans.
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:08am
      - Kimbo
        
        Israel Folau is also a “more sincere Christian” by that test, and you think he is a (and I quote you from yesterday) “complete fuckwit”. So not even “partial”, or “almost total”, but a “complete fuckwit”.
        
        I realise you consider the judgement of us theists of various brands and flavours inconsistent, credulous and wilful on some/many matters…but will you non-believers kindly get your shit together and make up your minds when you chooose to comment about us, our beliefs, motives and actions! ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:49am
      - Paulus
        
        Perhaps this is why Calamity Cindy left off being a Mormon ?
        Its the underwear they have to wear, so perhaps her various lushes had difficulty taking it off.
        I’ve met some very nice Mormons too.
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:25pm
      - GoVege
        
        Not so,Mike.
        The ones who pray all the time are the ones more likely to give you a hiding!
        I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
        Same with most races.
        
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        April 21, 2018 5:54pm
    - MCos
      
      Haven’t been in the Warriors changing rooms, nor the Mormons!!
      One of the blokes was a lower grade Warrior. The American guy said he went along to a game with a couple of ‘Elders’ and the cameras zoomed in on them, which is hardly a suprise.
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:35am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. The Mormons have long used sport as an “in” to recruit/love bomb among youth. Works very well among the PI and Maori youth communities, which to some extent are already “pre-churched”, and are more corporate. Once one joins, a whole bunch follow. Good luck to ‘em, and yes, I know as an orthodox Christian I believe what some consider weird nonsense (the Trinity, virgin birth, Christ’s resurrection from the dead)
        
        …but those Mormons believe some really stupid shit! ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:58am
      - SGA
        
        You could get a bumper sticker made “Calvinists – less weird than others” 🙂
        
        Only problem is that many people might think it was a reference to Watterson’s comic strip.
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:36am
      - Kimbo
        
        Sounds good, although I prefer the paradox/tautology of “Calvinism: Choose Predestination”. ?
        
        And yesterday I used the cartoon strip Non Sequitur
        
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_Sequitur_(comic_strip)
        
        …as a get-out-of-jail card when GoVege was accusing me of using (to paraphrase Ernest Hemingway) $10 words when the older, simpler and allegedly better monosyllabic alternatives would suffice. ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:42am
      - GoVege
        
        Never use a big word when a little one will do, Kimbo….unless you’re trying to skite. 🙂
        
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        April 21, 2018 5:50pm
      - Kimbo
        
        What if one big word will do the job of about ten small ones? Like say, instead of “things that happen together at about the same time and in about the same location and with the same people” vs “correlation”. Seems more economical and succinct. Perhaps Pinker didn’t think of that.
        
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        April 21, 2018 5:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        Kimbo, I read a book once that said that Smith guy’s “revelations” were remarkably similar to a novel that was popular when he was young.
        
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        April 21, 2018 5:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        I get your drift Kimbo, but it depends if the majority of your audience understands what that big word means.
        Believe it or not, I have been told off for years for using big words.
        
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        April 21, 2018 6:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. Besides pinching from the KJV, Smith – a convicted fraud/money digger – seems to have plagiarised from
        
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding–Rigdon_theory_of_Book_of_Mormon_authorship
        
        And I find the majority of the Kiwiblog constituency sufficiently intelligent and resourceful enough to know or quickly research specialist phrases and/or technical jargon when they encounter them. Sorry, but this isn’t the place to be appealing that we all accomodate and adapt ourselves to the slowest among us. Perhaps the Standard is more for you. If you go, can you please take stephieboy with you? ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 6:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Go Vege
        
        Never use a big word when a little one will do,…
        I have been told off for years for using big words.
        
        Why have a diet of a few items?
        
        Words can nourish our minds..
        I like new words, big words, naughty words, foreign words, etc.
        
        If I am talking to young folk or dim folk, I use lots of little words.
        
        If I am communicating with pricks, I employ abstruse terminology.
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m quite comfy here, Kimbo.
        Like Maggie, I like big words too, but just one per sentence please.
        Like the late great Steven Hawking, my brain processes operate slowly, (but sadly, not as deeply as the said Steve.)
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:10pm
- howitis
  
  No surprise there.
  The last few years have been a terrible mess.
  The Chief Executive since 2013 is Michael Redman.
  The man who sunk the finances of Hamilton with the V8s and Claudelands Centre.
  He then went to the new Auckland Council at the end of 2010 but was shovelled out of there quick smart?
  
  He was the original King of Troughs at ATEED as short term, high spending CEO. It was everyone else’s fault that the trains did not run for the opening of the 2011 RWC. Mr Redman is a victim here …and everywhere. Its not fair!
  The Blues have had serious blues since Redman has been CEO in 2013.
  
  How prophetic this 2013 headline then:-
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9192941/Blues-will-live-to-regret-hiring-ex-HCC-boss
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  … Mr Braithwaite said Mr Redman was out of his depth in both roles and cited as evidence his management of the V8 project and the construction of the $60 million-plus Claudelands Events Centre. “He was completely out of his depth in both politics and administration. Now to my astonishment the Blues franchise has employed a man who has cost the city millions.”…
  
  This mealy mouthed critter likes to fly kites as to why there are problems e.g.:-
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/5873709/Redman-quits
  … However, he admitted that Auckland is not an ideal place for players to live due to a number of factors.
  “Whether it is the fact we are in a goldfish bowl, at training with all the cameras in their faces every week, the cost of living along with transport,” Redman said…
  
  So it is a good thing that the Chiefs, Highlanders etc don’t have anyone watching them at training let alone wanting photos or selfies!.
  It is a good thing that Hurricanes players have no traffic congestion to deal with and such a low cost of living!
  
  When a proven ‘slick Mick’ makes up these stories and is your CEO then the culture is pretty sick… as shown on the field.
  
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  April 21, 2018 1:14pm
  - tui47
    
    I know this guy (and his wife). To say he was an vindictive individual would be an understandment. His behaviour in his personal life is unbefitting of someone who holds such a high profile and responsible position. I know nothing about sport or his involvement professionally but I can say that he is a nasty person with narcissistic issues.
    
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    April 21, 2018 2:38pm
- RF
  
  What’s going to happen to the Blues coach, spade face ?
  
  He must be due for the chop.
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:32pm
duggledog

I’ve had a bit of a chuckle listening to the earnest types in Auckland Council, the deluded Penny Hulse, Phil Goff of course, their environmental departments, and other organizations wanting ratepayers to fork out yet more $ to save the kauri, native birds, bats and so on.

We are fast approaching the day where at least half of Auckland’s population is made up of immigrants from filthy nations who give far less of a shit about their environment than they do even of other people and that’s saying something.

To many of our new residents Auckland is about the cleanest place they’ve ever seen. Comparatively it is. They think the environmentalists are literally mental.

Tough sell going forward.
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April 21, 2018 8:10am
- waikatogirl
  
  Last night the news showed a disgusting sight of a river and the surrounding area in Indonesia that was filled and overflowing for miles around with plastic bottles, wrappers, and every sort of plastic you can imagine as far as the eye could see. The president had brought in the army to clean it up (by hand). The people of Indonesia are learning to recycle and make a little cash on the side instead of just dropping rubbish wherever which finally ends up polluting their local fishing villages and in the oceans.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:56am
  - niggly
    
    Now that’s shocking and degrading to the environment!
    
    And the virtue-signalers in NZ are worried about, and are campaigning against supermarket plastic bags?
    
    Again NZ is statistically irrelevant on the world stage but the leftist ideological numpties want NZ to go to extreme measures (eg ban this, ban that) in order to show the rest of the world how progressive we are.
    
    Sure of course, let’s do our bit (but not take it to the extreme) and perhaps our leftie virtue-signalers could hop on a polluting aeroplane and go to places like Indonesia and tell its 200M+ inhabitants how to recycle and not pollute their rivers, sea and land. I’m serious – they would achieve thousands of times more (than they can here) to save the environment and would garner a lot of respect!
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:06am
Inandout

When will this Maori taxpayer gauging end?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12035627

Maori language school my arse, they are just unemployable blood suckers. The language belongs to the archives of antiquity, no use to modern man or beast.
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April 21, 2018 8:11am
- Swifty
  
  Rules around conflicts of interest, nepotism, accountability, transparency of financial records etc are merely the artificial constructs of old white men inandout – established by them solely to maintain white privilege.
  
  Haven’t you heard? Such things are now being rightly consigned to the dustbin of history! We have no need for such constraints in these brave new times. And it’s racist to say otherwise.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:19am
  - Surely Knott
    
    In the latest Waitakere Local Board agenda, is the latest State of the Waitakere Heritage Area Monitoring Report – an area which includes the regional park and the surrounding residential areas. Ngati Whatua and Te Kawerau a Maki have made high level recommendations to “establish a cogovernance and comanagement steering group for the Heritage Area”. So will this co management group include just those two groups and Council or will their be other stakeholders like residents groups and rural representatives. Will individuals not asssociated with a lobby group be able to submit on governance and management issues like they currently do on plans in their area via submissions to the council? Will this comanagement group be elected. I though our local board was our comanagement group. Will the comanagement steering group be open to the public and keep public minustes.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:27am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Drain the Swamp.
  Too much of this type of thing going on, wasting hard earned Taxpayer Dollars
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:46am
- Fletch
  
  Said it before and I’ll say it again – Maori don’t know how to handle money. If they have access to a lot of it they have this “Maori chief” mentality that they deserve it and can do what they like with it – eg, give it to whanua etc…
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:28am
  - Swifty
    
    It hurts my ears when you say that Fletch.
    
    My (mother’s) cousin’s husband:
    
    http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/2745383-135/family-man-who-embodied-values-of
    
    Very few blokes in my life have had the positive influence on me that this man had.
    
    I’ll say no more.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:19am
    - Fletch
      
      Yes, it might be racist of me to say so (and I don’t mean to be) but when one of the parents is European the offspring tend to be heaps more productive. I know this from personal experience of people I know.
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:14pm
holysheet

There’s renewed hope in Malaysia for the discovery of flight 370. Mrs Holy has agreed to help; she’s an expert at digging up negative shit that everyone else has long forgotten about…
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April 21, 2018 8:13am
Hugh Pavletich

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A generation of mortgage slaves: Auckland’s house prices leave home owners mired in debt … Helen King … Stuff / Fairfax New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103205338/a-generation-of-mortgage-slaves-aucklands-house-prices-leave-home-owners-crippled-in-debt

Auckland first-time home buyers are being set up for a lifetime of debt and could struggle to save for retirement or raise a family, a housing expert says.

Home affordability campaigner Hugh Pavletich believes the true definition of affordable housing is three times a household’s income. But in Auckland the price boom has seen that figure soar to 8.2 (HP correction 8.8 times … refer http://www.demographia.com ).

Pavletich said this meant buyers were paying on average $552,300 more than was affordable, forcing them to pay higher deposits and mortgage … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Mondays public statements by Transport & Housing Minister Phil Twyford and Regional Development Minister Shane Jones are heartening …

The Minister of Transport Phil Twyford says there is a “great deal of interest” from private capital providers when it comes to investing in New Zealand’s transport infrastructure – he is welcoming their interest | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/93209/minister-transport-phil-twyford-says-there-%E2%80%9Cgreat-deal-interest%E2%80%9D-private-capital
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Housing – New Zealand Labour Party

https://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… extract …

Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out

Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
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April 21, 2018 8:18am
- Inandout
  
  Caveat emptor..caveat emptor…Huge. Many of these buyers bought houses expecting massive capital gains, and they did get that initially. You make your bed, you sleep in it; simple.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:30am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Housing Minister supports UN call for housing strategy | Māori Television
    
    http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/politics/housing-minister-supports-un-call-housing-strategy
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    United Nations calls on NZ to adopt human rights-based national housing strategy | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102830739/united-nations-calls-on-nz-to-adopt-human-rightsbased-national-housing-strategy
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    Rodney Dickens says section prices are the key to solving the housing affordability problem, not higher density around transport hubs. He warns against force-feeding in areas that won’t deliver the intended outcome … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/92556/rodney-dickens-says-section-prices-are-key-solving-housing-affordability-problem-not
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:45am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      So Phil Twyford hasn’t been able to solve the housing crisis, so he’s turned to the UN for help; as if the UN has a track record of success!
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:10am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah he should ask the french. They have the answers to REAL housing crisis
        
        https://news-images.vice.com/images/2016/09/02/france-will-tear-down-the-calais-jungle-refugee-camp-that-houses-7000-body-image-1472827887.jpg?resize=1220:*&output-quality=75
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:28am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Yeah, there’s a clip of Cinders on Stuff after the Five Eyes meeting where she now spins the Russian biz and says breathlessly how she believes in “rule based order”.
        
        Which means she has not a full grasp of history stretching back to 1948 or even further and that a veto is a veto in the UN Security Council. But if we talk with the Boss voice we might have influence at that level? Ain’t gonna happen Sunshine.
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:44am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … UNITED KINGDOM … LABOUR HOUSING ANNOUNCEMENT …
        
        Britain’s housing market is broken. Here’s how Labour will fix it | John Healey | Opinion | The Guardian
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/19/britain-housing-market-broken-labour-council-houses
        
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        … We will transform the planning system with a new duty to deliver affordable homes, an English Sovereign Land Trust to make more land available more cheaply and an end to the “viability” loophole that lets commercial developers dodge their obligation to deliver affordable homes. And we will back councils, housing associations and community providers with the funding and flexibility to build big for their communities. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … February 2018 report …
        
        Labour plans to make landowners sell to state for fraction of value | Politics | The Guardian
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-plans-landowners-sell-state-fraction-value
        
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        … The proposal has been drawn up by John Healey, the shadow housing secretary, and would see a Jeremy Corbyn-led government change the law so landowners would have to sell sites to the state at knockdown prices.
        
        Landowners currently sell at a price that factors in the dramatic increase in value when planning consent is granted. It means a hectare of agricultural land worth around £20,000 can sell for closer to £2m if it is zoned for housing.
        
        Labour believes this is slowing down housebuilding by dramatically increasing costs. It is planning a new English Sovereign Land Trust with powers to buy sites at closer to the lower price. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        John Healey (politician) – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Healey_(politician)
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        A home truth for the Tories: fix the housing crisis or lose power for ever … The Spectator
        
        https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/a-home-truth-for-the-tories-fix-the-housing-crisis-or-lose-power-for-ever/
        
        Much rot is spoken about how the young have it so bad. In fact, this generation is healthier, richer and better-educated than any before — as well as being better-behaved and more conscientious than their parents were. But the one area where they do struggle is in buying a house. The asset boom of recent years has disfigured the economy, sending property prices soaring and conferring vast wealth on pensioners while giving the young a mountain to climb. Home ownership rates stand at a 30-year low. And the proportion of 25- to 34-year-olds in private rented accommodation has almost doubled in the last ten years. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The Global Housing Crisis … Richard Florida & Benjamin Schneider … CityLab … h/t DB
        
        https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/the-global-housing-crisis/557639/
        
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        … The housing crisis in the developed world
        
        Let’s start with the best-known aspect of the crisis: the affordability crunch in the world’s most expensive cities. The chart below shows the world’s most unaffordable cities, based on 2017 data from Demographia. Their unaffordability is calculated based on a clever metric called the “median multiple,” which is a ratio of median housing costs to median incomes. This metric allows for straightforward comparisons of the multiple of income devoted to housing in cities around the world.
        
        The world’s most unaffordable housing markets are not New York, London, and Los Angeles, or even San Francisco, but Hong Kong, Sydney, Vancouver, and Melbourne. London, Toronto, and Brisbane are also high up the list. Housing is also terribly unaffordable in Tokyo, Singapore, Shanghai, Beijing, Moscow, Paris, Stockholm, Amsterdam, Geneva, Rome, Milan, and Barcelona, according to other studies. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Richard Florida – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Florida
        
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        April 21, 2018 5:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … AUSTRALIA …
        
        The royal commission changed this week — from awful and dumb to utterly shocking – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-21/royal-commission-changed-this-week-awful-to-shocking/9681942
        
        The royal commission’s public hearings changed this week.
        
        The first hearings were tragically comic. Awful, dumb stuff: gym owners helping to write $122 million in loans, shonky car dealers selling lemons to hard-luck customers, a gambling addict given credit card limit increases.
        
        But what we heard this week from senior financial institution executives was utterly shocking. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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        What did the Banks in Australia and New Zealand learn from the Irish 2007 housing bubble experience ? …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nab-tightens-loan-income-limits/#comment-3052010
        
        Did the Banks make clear to their customers the difference between residential true market value and higher risk political / planning value … and lend accordingly ? …
        
        Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
        
        http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
        
        The Urban Containment Effects (Zoning Effects) On Australian House Prices (RBA Report) … Wendell Cox … New Geography
        
        http://www.newgeography.com/content/005921-the-urban-containment-effect-zoning-effect-australian-house-prices
        
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        • In Sydney, the urban containment effect adds $489,000 to the house price making the annual mortgage payments $29,000 higher. Figure 4 shows the components of the average house price in Sydney.
        
        • In Melbourne, the urban containment effect adds $324,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $19,000 higher.
        
        • In Brisbane, the urban containment effect adds $159,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $9,000 higher.
        
        • In Perth, the urban containment effect adds $206,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $12,000 higher.
        
        • No data is available for Adelaide, but the present median multiple (median house price divided by median household income) suggests that urban containment effect adds at least $13,000 to the mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 22, 2018 12:10am
  - Paulus
    
    And people in Christchurch who thought they had bought a great bargain as the earthquake damage had been repaired and the Council signed them off, but have now found that they should have had a full property property survey done – before buying.
    Is Caveat Emptor appropriate ?
    Was any real due diligence done or did they rely upon the Council sign off ?
    Sadly there has been over 12,000 earthquakes since the major ones we are told so any further damage could have occurred at any time.
    Not an easy solution but taxpayers money from EQC and ex AMI policy holders (still taxpayers money) is possibly the wrong area for compensation – Council signed them off so that is where liability should lie.
    Current insurers not interested in claims not under their policies.
    Finally anyway where are the builders to fix these additional claims ? Not in Christchurch.
    
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    April 21, 2018 2:13pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “…the true definition of affordable housing is three times a household’s income.”
  
  Surely that 3-times ideal multiple would depend on the interest rates.
  Try expressing the “definition of affordable housing” in terms of percentage of after-tax household income expended on mortgage servicing.
  
  Remember, as mortgage rates approach zero, house prices will rise towards the stars.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    And in the Stuff article the main concern of each couple is not that they can’t afford the mortgage currently, but that they can’t afford it *on one income*.
    
    Hey, Hugh: the ‘bloke earns, woman reproduces’ way went out with the 50s and 60s.
    
    Since then a house is expected to be worth two people’s income. It was the same in the 80s and 90s: either buy with your spouse, or with friends, or alone but have flatmates. And many of us needed some help from our parents for the deposit. Nobody could afford a house while young on a normal one-person income. I remember the huge relief when I sold the house (high maintenance and only affordable with flatmates) and bought myself a unit in the early 90s. That’s what a one-person income can and did afford.
    
    And that couple quoted who earn $190 together – goodness me, who could even dream of such amounts when we were young? It’s called *inflation*. If they want years without the woman’s income, it’s time to go for something cheaper.
    
    Otherwise, take maternity leave and soon get back into work.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:13am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I think society in the West (and less so in Japan) has done itself a disservice by making it nigh impossible for a man to service a mortgage so that his wife can stay at home and raise the 2.2 children necessary for a population to sustain itself.
      
      And I thought the government was in support of “sustainability.” Maybe not when nation-building from the efforts of your own native citizens is concerned.
      
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      April 21, 2018 11:54am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Perhaps it is that expectations are too high for many. Instead of buying a house within their ability to pay for comfortably, it is more important to stretch to the biggest and best house to impress. Having to work if you don’t want to then becomes a necessity. The expectations that you can have your cake and eat it too is not new amongst the young, but the number of expensive electronic toys, cars, concerts, overseas holidays, etc, etc is increasing every year. Wants and needs are different things.
        
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        April 21, 2018 2:16pm
    - Paulus
      
      Remember ladies if Cindy can do birth and back to work running the country (into the ground) then why can’t you !
      
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      April 21, 2018 2:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, it’s a repeat of the 1980s “Superwoman” myth.
        
        Anyone remember reading ‘Superwoman” by Shirley Conran
        
        What a load of bollix…. don’t think she did too badly out of riding that scambo tho’
        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2004/feb/01/ethicalliving
        
        Unless you are loaded with loot, and got Mr Perfect in your life, it’s basically struggle street until your kids can look after themselves.
        
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        April 21, 2018 4:28pm
MrTips

Winston’s emerged from his crypt, bullshitting on about EU and Commonwealth trade deals:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103293616/winston-peters-says-commonwealth-countries-open-to-multilateral-trade-deal

Asshole. Left Cindy to deal with Syria because there is no way he could support strikes given his Russian paymasters and now he wanks on like he did something useful after betting on racetracks between here and London.

Looking forward to June. Bridges needs to really niggle him in the House – love to see him lose his shit and get booted.
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April 21, 2018 8:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mallard will never boot him.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:35am
  - FE3O4
    
    Mallard probably won’t need to. Rumour has it our Winnie has a neurological issue and is well on the way to losing his “Shit”.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  As bloodsuckers emerge at night, so does our Winston. The human structure is a frail object when abused by late nights, smokes and strong alcohol, and I doubt he will make PM; other than perhaps extreme part time. When I think of Winston I am reminded of what an ex Air Force chap told me about Big Norm when he was transported to Wellington for his final hospital visit. Basically Norm’s body was shutting down, and not necessarily because of his life style; just loss of health. Winston has none other than himself to blame in this case.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:41am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so Inandout. Father Time is catching up with Winston Peters at a rather alarming rate. I wish him no ill, but at times he is a shadow of his former self. The best thing he could do would be retire gracefully from politics, accept the inevitable knighthood, then live out the rest of his days in relevant comfort with Ms Trotman. He deserves some dignity in retirement, whatever we think of him as a politician.
    
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    April 21, 2018 1:52pm
    - Paulus
      
      Peters is past dignity !
      
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      April 21, 2018 2:15pm
- VicParking
  
  His latest rant this morning is to suggest a free trade agreement with North Korea
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:07am
  - simpleton1
    
    A few tonnes of butter, and bales of wool, will go a long way to our defence force needs.
    Those supposed fearsome, Nuclear tipped missiles might be in safer hands in NZ.
    Ron Mark will feel greatly enhanced with this new found power.
    A great painless way of extracting that bad tooth infection of nukes in a dictator’s hands.
    Just let Winston convince them.
    Wheeling and dealing is where he says he is at.
    USA technology and monies will be sent to manage these and make safe this dangerous technology.
    Could a nuclear power industry be built from those crap war heads?
    
    Win win win all round.
    A new industry and technology plus energy to spare replacement for oil and gas. 🙂
    
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    April 21, 2018 3:17pm
- Harkman
  
  This guy used to be opposed to any trade agreement that didn’t include the US. What a walking, talking, lying puffbag.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:32am
mandk

Looks like Penny Bright didn’t reach her Give a Little target. She got $15,120 from 224 donors.

I think she is deranged and completely unreasonable, but her tenacity is impressive.

What amazes me, though, is the fact that there were so many people will to give her money to fight a lost cause against the wrong opponent.
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April 21, 2018 8:22am
- Swifty
  
  So many people…..but too few it seems, mandk.
  
  What next for our fearless crusader?
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:28am
  - stigie
    
    “What next for our fearless crusader?”
    
    Bludge off someone who actually pays rates..?
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:35am
    - holysheet
      
      possibly the thing we wish will soon happen to the drunken dwarf.
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:51am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      She’s been doing that for years
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:55am
  - G152
    
    Homelessness hopefully.
    Then liebor can find her a hovel
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:33am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Only 224 deluded fools in Auckland (225 including Penny)?
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  I’m sure I heard yesterday that Penny had turned down an offer by the council to extend payment time. The fight continues.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:04am
  - stigie
    
    “The fight continues.”
    
    Yes, even if the books were opened, there would be stuff in there in her mind for her not to pay up.
    The fiasco just carries on and nothing changes !~
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:10am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Penny did say the council was “not being fair”. Boo hoo!
      She also said on the news item the other night that the fight would continue from Room 1 of the oncology ward. I wonder if the hospital knows she is planning on setting up her “headquarters” from her hospital room while being treated? Penny will bore the nurses silly with her campaign strategy.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:32am
      - G152
        
        How convenient to ‘suddenly’ be diagnosed with cancer..
        Who’s counting the tricks she is using to delay her inevitable expulsion?
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:36am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I somehow doubt that to be the case G152. I doubt she would be in Auckland Hospital unless she was genuinely ill, and at her age, if she has ovarian cancer her prognosis is not good.
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:54pm
  - dime
    
    do ya get the feeling penny has plenty? will just pay on the last day?
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:10am
    - sooty
      
      It’s the courts, chasing her. She has to pay the rates, penaltys, court cost etc. It’s not just the rates she has not paid.
      
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      April 21, 2018 11:15am
- geoff3012
  
  Sorry, downticked by mistake
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:54am
- Nostradamus
  
  Here’s a lawyer’s view on what happens now (interested in other people’s thoughts):
  
  1. The GiveaLittle terms:
  
  Receipts & Refunds: Donations to a Givealittle Page are unconditional and non-refundable unless the Fundraising Member gives consent.
  
  2. Let’s assume that no one made a “Conditional Pledge” under the GiveaLittle terms.
  
  3. Penny raised $14,364 ($15,120 – 5% GiveaLittle service fee).
  
  4. Penny represented that any money raised would be held “in escrow” with a law firm and paid “[i]n any event” to Auckland Council by 20 April 2019 – in a year’s time:
  
  Funds raised will go towards the $20,000 in outstanding Auckland Council rates to be paid once ‘the books are open’. In any event monies collected for outstanding Auckland Council Rates, will be paid by the 20th April 2019 – it will be held in escrow till this time.
  
  5. The Local Government (Rating) Act 2002 sets out the house sale process.
  The local authority (Auckland Council) “may” apply to the Registrar of the High Court “to have the [rates default] judgment enforced by sale … of the rating unit” (section 67(1)). The Registrar of the High Court “may” sell the house (section 70(1)). The purchaser is “the highest tenderer” if the bid “equals or exceeds the amount required to pay the unpaid rates and the costs incurred” (section 71(3)) – but this is subject to “any rights reserved by the Registrar” (section 71(4)). Finally, in the case of a sale, when the purchase price has been fully paid, the Registrar “must” execute a memorandum of transfer (section 73(1)).
  
  6. The Act doesn’t expressly allow Auckland Council to withdraw its application. In my view, Auckland Council can’t withdraw its application, at least without paying the High Court’s costs and the listing agent’s costs (Barfoot & Thompson). Presumably, Auckland Council would require Penny to agree (in a legally enforceable way) that those costs will be added to the outstanding amount. The Registrar would also need to exercise its right to “refuse any tender” (which would make Graham McCready a disappointed purchaser).
  
  7. So the likely scenario, in my view, is that the sale process will proceed (particularly if Waikatogirl is correct when she says “I’m sure I heard yesterday that Penny had turned down an offer by the council to extend payment time”).
  
  8. In that scenario, Penny will get what’s left after the following amounts are deducted: outstanding rates and accrued interest + Auckland Council’s costs and the High Court’s costs (including Barfoot & Thompson’s costs).
  
  9. Strictly speaking, as Penny wouldn’t have a debt to Auckland Council, the GiveaLittle money held in escrow couldn’t be applied towards the original purpose. If Penny receives the balance (point 8) and keeps the GiveaLittle money (point 3), then she’ll find herself in an interesting position.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:59am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Yes but do you really think anyone dumb enough to stump up for Penny’s rates bill will bother to think about that?
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:47am
    - lifesgood
      
      I haven’t looked but I hear some people with comical, cartoonish names have pledged. Does anyone seriously think they will pay? She may have way less pledged than she thinks she has.
      
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      April 21, 2018 6:31pm
  - Sofia
    
    From a comment someone has made elsewhere …
    
    Private litigant makes hostile bid for Penny Bright’s house
    Private litigant Graham McCready has lodged a low bid for the home of Auckland activist Penny Bright, which is being sold by the High Court.
    Mr McCready says he opposes Ms Bright’s refusal to pay rates, and has put in a tender a of $150,000, one-seventh of the home’s $1.04 million rating valuation.
    Tenders close next Tuesday, with the High Court selling Penny Bright’s home to recover unpaid rates and penalties amounting to $34,182. She is due to meet council officials today regarding ten years of unpaid rates and penalties.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/355618/private-litigant-makes-hostile-bid-for-penny-bright-s-house
    
    That seems a vast turn-around on a past McCready / Bright position –
    
    Self-styled anti-corruption public watchdog Penny Bright has upped the ante in her fight with Auckland Council to have its books opened before she pays her rates.
    She has enlisted serial litigant Graham McCready who will take a private prosecution against council chief executive Stephen Town under the Public Records Act.
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/09/convicted-blackmailer-and-tax-fraudster-rides-again-with-penny-not-so-bright-for-a-sidekick/#more-273096
    
    John Banks case –
    It was Bright who served the summonses on the prosecution witnesses, picked McCready up from the airport and supplied him with a couch on which to spend the night.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142525
    
    It was the Banks case that brought McCready up from Wellington. When he first arrived he slept on fellow activist Penny Bright’s couch, home to the “most exotic species of flea in the world” …
    Living in Auckland, he says, keeps him close to a community of activists like Bright, people he first thought were “crazy, loopy, off the planet” but now believes are “absolutely right”.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10132048/Laughing-all-the-way-to-the-Banks
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:16am
    - dubya
      
      Good god, imagine spending the night on Penny’s couch!
      
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      April 21, 2018 1:15pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I see the deluded bitch is playing the cancer card now because she’s been tested for it, but hasn’t got the results back yet!
  
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  April 21, 2018 11:14am
Monique Watson

And this makes me sick a little in the mouth:

“Ardern doesn’t comment on security and intelligence issues”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12036908

Foreign Government taking seriously an alleged attack in New Zealand and it’s relevance to Salisbury and she says it’s speculative.
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April 21, 2018 8:23am
- kevn
  
  @Mon… She doesn’t comment on ‘intelligence’ for fear of saying something ‘dumb’.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:35am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Best not open yer mouth if shit might fall out or you can’t un-wedge the foot as my Auntie said once.
    Some of the best advice I’ve had.
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:55am
    - KiWombat
      
      Whenever she opens her mouth it seems it is only to change whichever foot was previously there !
      
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      April 21, 2018 3:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Hager will be her new spokesman.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:44am
- RF
  
  For a start there is no need for security as she assures us that we do not have any spies and secondly she is not intelligent.
  
  Bloody scarey that this bimbo that not so long ago had difficulty taking orders for fush & chups is now running this country.
  
  Seeing her walking around in a feather coated dress looking vacant does not fill me with confidence. In fact it fills me with dread.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:51am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  “Ardern doesn’t comment on security and intelligence issues”.
  Um, she does not know the meaning of the word ‘intelligence’ Never did, never will
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:00am
  - Felt
    
    You can’t comment on “intelligence” if you do not have any!
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:49am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    She certainly doesn’t understand the link between security and intelligence.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:43am
- niggly
  
  “Ardern would not say if there were any former Russian spies in New Zealand now because she did not comment on intelligence and security issues.”
  
  I’m suprised the MSM and Lefties aren’t making a big deal about this.
  
  For years and years Prime Minister’s would shut down discussion on spying activities (I recall Helen Clark using it to great effect).
  
  This eased a little bit during the last National Govt but now it seems under this new Labour govt it’s back to the old stance – how “absolutely” helpful & beneficial for Jacinda – except this time it is being done not to protect the spies, it’s being done to protect Jacinda!
  
  Again it just goes to prove Jacinda is NZ’s dumbest Prime Minister, ever!
  
  Anyway where is the critical commentary from the MSM and Lefties in regards to the change in stance from the PM?
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:23am
Manolo

Investigating the leaker:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-watchdog-probes-comey-memos-over-classified-information-1524243505

At least two of the memos that former FBI Director James Comey gave to a friend outside of the government contained information that officials now consider classified, according to people familiar with the matter, prompting a review by the Justice Department’s internal watchdog.
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April 21, 2018 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  Comey is a self seeking mongrel, an ex public servant who is too dumb to realise his book is actually an indictment of himself. That publication may well lead to a successful prosecution of him.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, that was not Trump’s thinking 2016 and leading up to the elections.
    
    Whats changed?
    
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
    
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    April 21, 2018 8:53am
kevn

Who is this fan boi story writer Simon Wilson in the on-line Herald story? He seems smitten by JA.
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April 21, 2018 8:34am
- Swifty
  
  Hard core leftie since way back. Used to play at his house as a kid. Lots of Whole Earth Catalogues laying about the place.
  
  I note he makes some very bold claims about both the virtue and lack of consequences of the living wage etc. Funny that some still don’t understand cause and effect.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:55am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Alongside old High Times mags? Just askin. Trying to get a picture of his lefty roots. Not that that’s a judgement call on tokers but you can imagine there isn’t a shit ton of thinking or real work going on if you navel gaze all day. Just ask the resident KB trolls.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:01am
    - Swifty
      
      House on the bush-clad slopes of Mt Kaukau, off Burma Road.
      
      His old man, Derek, was an architect – designed and built the house himself. He did a nice job.
      
      I like Simon. He writes well. But I do not believe economics is his strong suit. He appears to believe Governments can legislate prosperity – and that there is no downside. A view I do not share.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:10am
      - lifesgood
        
        I have found him to be a miserable git, to be honest.
        
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        April 21, 2018 12:39pm
    - Swifty
      
      http://danslevin.com/fishhead/2014/11/the-wilson-house-1967/
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:14am
- Swifty
  
  *parent’s house.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:00am
- dime
  
  its their main story.
  
  i got to the first paragraph where he played down the oil thing like it was no biggie. stopped reading his love letter after that
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:13am
Milhous

Jo Moir quotes Nationals internal polling at 50%.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103262841/whats-in-a-name-pretty-much-everything-when-it-come-to-politics
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April 21, 2018 8:34am
- Inandout
  
  ‘What’s in a cloak that looks like op-shop shit when standing beside the Palace guards’?
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:50am
  - fernglas
    
    Never underestimate the power of an image. That one is striking, like it or not, and will be in any number of lists of photo’s of 2018
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:10am
    - Fletch
      
      Looks like a photo of pregnant, unmarried mother standing next to her partner-in-fornication.
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:35am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        The 1950s called, they noticed you’re in the wrong decade and would like you to return where you belong.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:50am
      - Fletch
        
        Can’t deny the horrible optics though. I’m wondering how long they’ll stick together, too. She could end up being NZ’s first, unmarried, single mother on the DPB.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:58am
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough, Fletch. But optics are often personal, sort of a Rorschach Test for existing psychological predispositions. So you see a statue of the Virgin Mary, and you want to worship. I see one, and I see grievous idolatry in need of a sledge hammer and sufficient righteous and holy vandalism. ?
        
        And as most Kiwis don’t share your values, they will view the image of Ardern positively.
        
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        April 21, 2018 11:05am
      - sooty
        
        She’s saying to Clarke, who would have believed this just one year ago.
        
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        April 21, 2018 12:03pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        And the fags are goin stee-raaaaaaaaight to hell !!!!
        
        BURN IN HELL FAGS !!!!!!!!!!!
        yeah, thanks Israel.
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:36pm
- redeye
  
  I like this bit Milhouse.
  
  “The part he needs to work on is connecting with voters, making himself appear approachable and genuine and, most importantly, likeable.
  
  Ardern has all that stuff in spades, and it’s going to take more than a couple of appearances in Woman’s Weekly for Bridges to get anywhere near her level.
  
  But don’t underestimate Bridges. He’s on the verge of launching a significant regional offensive, and Labour and NZ First shouldn’t scoff at the potential damage that could do – not only to their party votes, but to their respective leaders if he plays his cards right.”
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:53am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    I agree. The other relevant comment is:
    
    “Joyce, Key and English have all moved on, and Bridges has no plans to run a leadership model where one person wields as much power as Joyce did.”
    
    That would be fine if it weren’t for the fact that the previous ‘leadership model’ was and is very effective – and Labour are using it to excellent effect.
    
    It isn’t about who’s wielding the power within the Party, caucus, or cabinet. It is about who NZers perceive to be their ‘leader’ – their ‘champion’. And they’ll never accept a group in that role, or only secondarily.
    
    Bridges either wants to be NZ’s ‘leader’ or he doesn’t. And if he doesn’t, he needs to get out the way for someone who does.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:07am
Manolo

Who will the hag blame next?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-they-were-never-going-to-let-me-be-president
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April 21, 2018 8:37am
- dime
  
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  
  my favourite was – women are stupid and weak and did what their husbands told them haha
  
  such a great feminist
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:30am
- Justitia
  
  Hillary will be here in just over two weeks. For 500 bucks you can spend an evening emoting with her. What a tale she has to tell! Being on the end of the biggest “F**k you” ever delivered by the American blue collar voter should have been character building. Don’t forget your “pussy” hat.
  
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  April 21, 2018 11:23am
harvey wilson

The original headline was something like “ NZs worst tenant “ which may well be right but the moron that rented a house out to this feral says she did her due diligence .
Hmm for s start she has the obvious feral calling card of a neck tattoo which should have been a red flag . Simply typing her former tenants name into a google NZ search reveals she has convictions for p use , procuring an under age prostitute , has six children the youngest two a judge threatened to take into care, gang associations from when she was working as a stripper while living in a caravan and has appeared in court for violence offences.
The headline could have easily been “ is this NZs worst rental manager?” . Fortunately it appears she owned the house, I’d be furious if it was my place she let to this human crime wave.
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April 21, 2018 8:40am
- MCos
  
  I presume you’re referring to the woman who had $50,000 awarded against her.
  Well good luck collecting that money.
  
  I also read in the news the other day about a house that was suppose to be moved from A to B to C. Along the way it was wrecked and a court awarded the house owner quarter of a million from the moving company which had since gone into liquidation.
  Good that to that person to.
  There’s some mean people in this world.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:04am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Yes, this is the link http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12036269
    
    She will never see that money but she says she will check the Facebook profiles of prospective tenants from now on . While you close that barn door lady turn around and check out that speck on the horizon. That’s your horse.
    I’ll bet the owners of the other 15 houses she manages are making arrangements for s new manager on Monday .
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:15am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Ms Howe doesn’t exactly seem like the type you would take home to mum…
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/3152676/Sex-workers-row-lands-pair-in-jail
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:14am
- milkmaid
  
  Her command of written English would surely have been obvious if she had to fill out any forms.
  
  https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/solo-mother-with-special-needs-baby-gets-burgled-w
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:50am
  - Swifty
    
    Just apalling – clearly she didn’t go to a charter school.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Non-professional tattoos and those in non-standard locations (hands, neck and face) send off alarm bells as far as I am concerned.
  
  A man’s tattoos should not be visible when he wears a suit.
  
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  April 21, 2018 12:00pm
holysheet

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/20/trump-russia-wikileaks-sued-democrats-lawsuit

Looks like the west dodged a bullet when the yanks voted for Trump. Imagine what will come out in court about the Russian involvement in the Clinton camp. They didn’t like backing a loser, and now the loser is suing its backer.
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April 21, 2018 8:58am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet , the Trump camp should rejoice as they’ve nothing to hide, have they?
  
  https://www.justsecurity.org/51710/president-trump-concealing-evidence-russia-probe/
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:07am
  - softail 1450
    
    septicboy ,sceptics got a boner on for president trump again ,WOW.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:13am
  - VicParking
    
    Morning Stephie. Had a relapse of Contagious caprine pleuropneumonia again ?☠️
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:13am
    - Harkman
      
      What no goat kiss for our resident troll? ?
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:36am
- Fletch
  
  There’s no way the Dems would be bringing a lawsuit if they believed Mueller had any charges to bring on Trump re: Russian collusion, etc. Otherwise, they’d just be sitting back and waiting for the investigation to take its course. They know there’s nothing there but they just. can’t. wait. LOL, it’s funny, really. Their whole narrative is coming apart. They’re basically suing Trump for winning.
  
  The Onion –
  
  WASHINGTON—Demanding greater accountability for the race’s outcome, the Democratic National Committee reportedly filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit Friday alleging that the nation should never, ever stop focusing on the 2016 presidential election. “Our lawsuit lays out, in no uncertain terms, that the nation should never under any circumstances move on from the 2016 election results,” said DNC chairman Tom Perez, adding that the 66-page lawsuit filed in a New York federal court asserts that the American people must remain solely preoccupied with every little goddamn detail from the 2016 presidential race. “We’re calling on WikiLeaks, Russia, and Trump campaign officials to join the Democratic Party in our efforts to spend the next several years prioritizing endless fucking discussions about potential election interference and what that means for democracy. We believe there was a deliberate effort to throw the race to Donald Trump, and that the American people have a right to publicly re-litigate Hillary Clinton’s defeat and promote far-reaching conspiracy theories instead of concentrating on anything remotely politically constructive for the next few decades at least.” At press time, DNC officials were calling for an emergency legal injunction to block the nation from learning absolutely anything from the 2016 election.
  
  https://politics.theonion.com/dnc-files-lawsuit-alleging-nation-should-never-ever-st-1825424101
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Iqbal/Tombly precedents probably mean the Case will not be allowed to proceed.
    
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    April 21, 2018 11:28am
    - mikewasmild
      
      You mean it’s a empty gesture, like the congressional ‘referral’ to the Attorney-General, or the House intelligence committee report?
      
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      April 21, 2018 12:57pm
stephieboy

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Surely this a special moment of shared rejoicing.

Dinner with the Queen: Jacinda Ardern in korowai sends internet into frenzy

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has attended dinner with the Queen, making a speech to members of the Commonwealth at the event.

But it was a photo of Ms Ardern in a korowai gifted to her by the Ngāti Rānana London Māori club that stole the attention of the internet.

“I try not to fawn publicly over our PM, not cos I don’t respect the hell outta her, I’m just terrified of being wrong about her (politicians gonna politician).

But for some reason this image makes me tear up a little,” wrote Leonie Hayden of Spinoff Atea.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/dinner-with-the-queen-jacinda-ardern-in-korowai-sends-internet-into-frenzy.html

PS Nice to see her pregnancy coming on nicely.
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April 21, 2018 9:04am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy:
  
  Surely this a special moment of shared rejoicing.
  
  Too much information – no need to tell us that you’re typing one-handed!
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Surely this a special moment of shared rejoicing.
    
    Dinner with the Queen: Jacinda Ardern in korowai sends internet into frenzy
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/dinner-with-the-queen-jacinda-ardern-in-korowai-sends-internet-into-frenzy.html
    
    PS Nice to see her pregnancy coming on nicely.
    
    Fixed !
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:14am
  - Inandout
    
    stephie can’t differentiate between Spinoff and wank off.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:14am
  - VicParking
    
    He keeps his goat under his desk.
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:14am
  - stigie
    
    Sledge of the day from Nostra !~
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:15am
- Jack5
  
  Roster change at Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
  
  We have a lift in punctuation, grammar standards, idiom, and even the use of macrons in Maori words.
  
  However, this morning’s Stephie still has to get quotation marks and colons right.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack 5 , read Cormac McCarthy,
    
    https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1qac25/why_doesnt_cormac_mccarthy_use_punctuation_like/
    
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    April 21, 2018 9:26am
    - Swifty
      
      You’re no Cormac.
      
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      April 21, 2018 9:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        Neither obviously are you.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:15am
      - Swifty
        
        I never claimed to be – unlike you.
        
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        April 21, 2018 10:31am
      - mikewasmild
        
        Be fair, Swifty. stephieboy did not claim to be Cormac, or even to have read him.
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        He did try for a slice of reflected glory though…..
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:29pm
- Harkman
  
  SB you are confusing “special moment” with National Embarrassment. Personally, I can’t see how you could confuse them. But then again, you are unusual.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:40am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Was the dinner fancy dress?
  Why did sound bite Cindy go dressed as Pocahontas?
  Was it so the slippers would go with the costume?
  
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  April 21, 2018 10:33am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Yes, this certainly won’t have improved Ardern’s standing with the important White Racist demographic. What a blunder!
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:55am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      No one does hypocrisy like a socialist!
      
      I am disgusted at her racist cultural appropriation.
      
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      April 21, 2018 11:45am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        “Cultural appropriation,” huh? So, you’re claiming Ngāti Rānana is a fake Māori group?
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:41pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        London Māori?
        Fake?
        Like a plastic tiki?
        Yup.
        
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        April 21, 2018 2:18pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Perhaps Cindy thought the invitation said it was fancy dress? Justin could have come as an Indigenous Canadian Indian chief!
        
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        April 21, 2018 2:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    Where were Jacinderella’s glass slippers?
    
    Instead of showing up with Prince Charming and wowing everyone like a fairy princess, Jacinderella arrives knocked up and covered in feathers like some bird lady who patches up injured kiwis and hawks.
    
    The Cinderella story tellers, the Grimm brothers and Perrault, betrayed.
    
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    April 21, 2018 2:23pm
    - RF
      
      Yep. Looking like a knocked up chicken hawk….
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:51pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      I’ll bet Jaminty has got a special wittle Murray cloak to chuck around buby when it surfaces.
      
      hahahahahaha I’m laughing hard at my own shit – fuckwit. hahahahahaha !!!!!!!
      
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      April 22, 2018 12:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m no fan of our ditzy PM, but I think she scrubbed up really well.
    By the time the make-up had been applied, her usual lanky hair lifted, & her boots biffed, she looked stunning.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/20/jacinda-ardern-maori-cloak-buckingham-palace-new-zealand
    
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    April 21, 2018 3:37pm
    - Manolo
      
      Sorry Maggy, but Miss Ardern’s taste in shoes leaves a lot to be desired. No one can be impressed with the ugly “things” she wears. 😀
      
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      April 21, 2018 3:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I defer to your superior knowledge, and of course my standards are slipping as we only wear summer safety boots
        https://www.redband.co.nz/products/red-bandals
        and winter boots
        https://www.redband.co.nz/products/gumboots
        around here.
        
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        April 21, 2018 3:56pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      From the linked article:
      
      Modern-day Kahu huruhuru are often made from the feathers of birds killed by predators or on motorways, because many native New Zealand birds such as the Kereru and Pukeko are endangered and protected species.
      
      11 August 2016: Sonny Tau fined $24,500 over dead kereru case
      
      28 November 2016: Sonny Tau back at helm of runanga
      
      Hopefully Jacinda’s cloak wasn’t hand-woven from Sonny’s exhibit!
      
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      April 21, 2018 4:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        With all those feathers, Jacinderella was in danger from the Queen’s cats.
        
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        April 21, 2018 7:35pm
    - RF
      
      Mutton dressed up as lamb
      
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      April 21, 2018 10:47pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Credit where it is due, Jacinda is doing a great job of raising our international profile.

However, her beaming smile and ‘posidividy’ will disappear in a flash of stardust when she returns to New Zealand and has to deal with the reality of leading a country.

It will, however, be excellent training for dealing with the single productive aspect of her soon to be produced offspring.

Even the stench is similar!
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April 21, 2018 9:21am
softail 1450

septicboy is overdosing on the “stupid drugs”this week ,he’s forgetting about the shitestorm that is coming when the emo dressing PM returns home from being fawned over for two weeks by our lamestream media.
but if he’s busy doing hundreds of posts on all sorts of blogs the young females at his local mall are safe for the meantime,,,,,
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April 21, 2018 9:40am
graham

The Herald outdoes itself with the descent from a once (such a long time ago) respectable newspaper to a tabloid rag consisting of click-bait headlines, entertainment snippets, and pop culture articles interspersed with the occasional attempt at actual news.

“Is this The Bachelor? No, it’s our first man.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12036371

Seriously? Linking the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting to a piss-poor reality TV show? Really?

Please, if anybody from the Herald is actually reading this, I beg you, just stop. This isn’t even about Jacinda or Labour or Clarke anymore, this is about stopping something that once used to be an actual newspaper, a newspaper with 150 years of history and pedigree (and I use that word VERY loosely) behind it, from turning into a gutter tabloid.
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April 21, 2018 11:08am
DifferentPerspective

North Korea Nuclear programme shutdown

So Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize just because he was black. Exactly like Jacinda, he didn’t achieve anything as President at all and he got a Nobby.

Given that the Nobel committee (when not embroiled, like the good socialists they are, in sexual abuse scandals), set the bar lower than Clare Curran’s IQ for winning a Peace Prize, how are they going to recognise Trump’s amazing success in de-escalating the Nork Nuclear issue without shipping off gazillions of dollars and weapons to terrorist states like Obama and Clinton did?

Oh that’s right they won’t do anything at all, because they have no integrity at all and they’re moralising SJWs without a shred of intellectual honesty amongst them.
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April 21, 2018 11:52am
- Scott
  
  I agree. Trump is having a great presidency – the defeat of Isis, bringing North Korea to the bargaining table, reining in Syria’s chemical attacks. At home unemployment is way down, black unemployment at its lowest level ever. Hope coming back to the rust belt states.
  
  Trump is objectively doing very well. But you’d never know it watching the mainstream media. CNN gives Trump no credit and is wall to wall Stormy Daniels. Sad!
  
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  April 21, 2018 12:42pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    I think it may be a little more tricky than that Scott. The North Korean announcement says the tests are no longer needed now that the country has perfected its nuclear weapons. But perhaps the master deal-maker, Donald Trump, will have an especially persuasive tone when he asks Kim Jong-un to give up those weapons.
    
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    April 21, 2018 12:51pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      China will do its best to ensure a non-unified Korean peninsula. If Rocket Man is smart, he will buy his regime more time.
      
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      April 21, 2018 1:16pm
      - Brigitte
        
        That phrase for Kim always makes me laugh. It was Trump who tweeted it after being called a dotard and seems to be the very first thing that came into his head. I mean, rockets are tricky things (we say “not rocket science” for easy tasks) so calling someone a Rocket Man should be a big compliment. Trump’s just lucky Kim doesn’t milk that for all it’s worth.
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:29pm
  - Brigitte
    
    A lot will depend on how it plays out. If Kim uses this to ask for a US concession (you know, the purpose of negotiations where each side compromises till agreement is reached) and Trump walks out then Kim may spout that the US isn’t interested in negotiations but rather just issues ultimatums (and throws their toys out the cot if they don’t get their own way).
    
    In a sense that won’t matter for this issue but could make Trump’s life more difficult with other larger players (the EU for example). Actually, NK doesn’t matter at all in this; rather it’s about China vs the US and Kim is merely the proxy (a bit like the posturing going on in the Middle East).
    
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    April 21, 2018 1:24pm
    - Scott
      
      Brigitte – you are sadly becoming the Crown Princess of wrongness. North Korea does matter. North Korea wants deliverable nuclear weapons that could land on US cities. America sees that as a very very big deal! America will not allow North Korea to threaten them with nuclear weapons. Its a very serious situation.
      
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      April 21, 2018 1:38pm
      - Brigitte
        
        My view is that, having seen US regime change around the world, NK just wants to make it’s Govt safe (and the ordinary NK people being safe is a bonus too). It has no capability of hitting the US (an EMF is perhaps the nearest they can hope for at present) and even if they did and tried to execute an attack it would be tantamount to suicide. So I see the threat as being a con job by the US pollies (more likely the swamp tbh) for their own political ends.
        
        So I suspect we’ll just have to agree to disagree over this issue.
        
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        April 21, 2018 1:44pm
  - Scott
    
    It is tricky Mikey. But liberals always amuse me. Trump gets North Korea to the diplomacy table – he’s being played by Kim Jong Un! Trump calls him little rocket man – he’s being a war monger!
    I would like a liberal to tell me this – how can Trump win in your eyes on this issue? What would you say Trump should do?
    
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    April 21, 2018 1:34pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      He should refuse to meet Kim until North Korea actually makes some concessions. No other US president would give such a man the honour and prestige of a meeting without doing anything in return except threatening the US and its allies.
      
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      April 21, 2018 1:45pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Or maybe he should emulate the Rapist-in-Chief Clinton and fly pallets of cash to the Norks again, along with all the makings of the nuclear reactors in the hope that the massive bribe (sans the “honour” of meeting the Rapist-in-Chief) would make the world safe and not just kick the can down the road for 20 years.
        
        And ‘not meeting’ him is hardly a constructive action conducive to solving the problem. Obama didn’t meet with him for 8 years and allowed unlawful and nuclear escalation – that worked well (but then Obama didn’t succeed at anything so at least he was consistent).
        
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        April 21, 2018 2:28pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Nah he should do an Iran deal like Obama the genius and Clinton the child rapist.
        
        Just give North Korea $150billion in unmarked, unallocated cash and then accept they won’t do anything naughty with it at their word. Also include, like the COL, a huge secret addendum that you don’t tell Congress about.
        
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        April 21, 2018 3:31pm
KevOB

Yemen beaten to a pulp and no one cares.
What is going on?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/yemen-the-most-horrific-genocide-a-country-without-food-water-medicine-and-fuel/5637050
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April 21, 2018 12:55pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Yemen has no powerful friends, so is a perfect place for Saudi Arabia and Iran to indulge in a proxy war. Good luck if you can pick which side is right, but one side seems to be winning – if ‘winning’ is the correct work for ongoing mass-murder.
  
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  April 21, 2018 1:06pm
Manolo

Imagine the cries of joy from the Left had this been achieved by Obama, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43846488

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has said he will suspend all missile tests and shut down a nuclear test site with immediate effect.

“From 21 April, North Korea will stop nuclear tests and launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles,” the Korean Central News Agency said.

The decision is aimed at pursuing economic growth and peace on the Korean peninsular, state media report.
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April 21, 2018 1:53pm
- MCos
  
  All of a sudden Kim Yung Un aka rocket man and the very definition of duplicity is to be taken at his word.
  
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  April 21, 2018 2:30pm
- Happychappy
  
  Has Winston taken the credit for this yet as he is spouting his approval for NZ to do a trade deal with North Korea while there is opposition to do a deal with Russia. Me thinks Winston is craving media attention as Jacinda’s smoke is choking him.
  
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  April 21, 2018 4:50pm
MCos

‘Trump to shift federal funding for teen pregnancy prevention to abstinence-focused programs’

Trump preaching abstinence

Might just work
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April 21, 2018 2:01pm
Fletch

Have been keeping an eye on this – actress Allison Mack who played Chloe in TV series Smallville has been convicted of being a leader in a sex cult – recruiting women to be slaves, etc…

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/smallville-actress-allison-mack-arrested-accused-recruiting-other-women-sex-cult
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April 21, 2018 2:15pm
JibberJabber

Behold the Nadir of American Academia, they must be giving out PhDs with every packet of Twinkies these days.
Randa Jarrar

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=C5O3E_1524280203
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April 21, 2018 5:03pm
UpandComer

Test. Test test. Testing. This post was supposed to go in the Charles thread. Looks like I’m coming on a bit strong for the moderation. Let’s see:

The royal family are a complete laughing stock:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-the-uks-queen-elizabeth-descended-from-the-prophet-mohammed/

The Queen of England, of the House of Saxe-Coberg Gotha nee Windsor, is directly descended from the prophet Mohammad.

Per a “”random study”” that, you may be completely assured, of course, the royals and the this worthless skinsuit of an ‘English’ government had nothing to do with commissioning and then publicising.

To hell with the ‘English’ royal family. The Queen is directly descended from the prophet Mohammad is she. So she should immediately absent herself from England and park her islamic person in Turkey or Iran or Jordan and stop pretending she’s the head of the Church of England and of the Christian commonwealth and has any relevance whatsoever to us who are inhabitants of the West. Why is this old wanton slattern walking around without wearing her Birka? Her prophet will be really displeased.

The Queen could actually do something of worth, beyond not dying. The Queen could use her esteem and her constitutional and social cachet and her experience in world war 2 and advocate for the most vulnerable of her subjects.

The Queen could champion the million little working class English girls being held by the hair and raped by greasy muslim hands, still, right now, as I write, as we view Kiwiblog, all across England in Telford, Oldford, Bradford, Birmingham, Oxford, and everywhere there is a muslim population.

They rape as communities. They’re proud of it. Humans engaged in pederasty tend to do it in shameful solitude and secrecy. These bastards to it as a family and community binding act of religious solidarity. The English government, whether it be the Tories or the Labour party (whose own members have joined in) are facilitating it and protecting it.

The Queen could cover herself in glory and relevance if she actually did what all the worthless feminist cunts in England and all over the world won’t do. As a brave equal woman and the leader of England the Queen could act for the most vulnerable of her gender being raped and violated and mentally and physically mutilated in the most vile ways imaginable.

The Queen will know about it. It is 100% guaranteed that she will know about it.

So what does she do.

She subjects herself to these porcine conquerors. ‘I’m descended directly from the prophet Mohammad! says Queen Elizabeth II, please don’t hurt me, muslim overlords, just hurt my littlest and most vulnerable subjects instead, if you please, the Queen said, bravely’.

To hell with all of them. Boris Johnson, Theresa May, the entire Labour party whose members joined in (just like here in NZ) the royal family, all these socialist morons and indoctrinated idiots in England.

Prince Charles can propound his ideas on cabbage production and dog breeding to the Canadians. It’s legal to have sexual intercourse with dogs in Canada (oh my, how wonderfully ‘progressive’ from the PETA man. I can’t wait for the PETA statement on animal rape that will never happen) so I’m sure he’ll be welcome. He’s written a tract on how to shave their hindquarters didn’t you know. The Trudeau people will love that.

These royals are worse then any of their forebears. Even Henry VIII who delayed the industrial revolution by 200 years when he confiscated the monasteries in England, where a working model of an iron ore smelt had been built and was smelting ore as well as modern smelts. Because that’s just science and the economy.

Even Henry VIII would have rather died then allow foreigners to rape his subjects, wholesale, with impunity.

He’d have tried and executed every last one of these rapists and lined their heads along London bridge. Which is what should happen today. The Labour party members and police who joined in the rapes should have their heads added to the spikes as well.

I’m sorry, but I’ve read all the material on Rotherham and elsewhere and it’s hard to bear.

This enduring silence about an ongoing religiously motivated rape of the English as if it isn’t happening is enough to destroy your faith in all democratic institutions and in the capacity of humanity to resist political correctness.

Everyone who is not doing anything it because of political correctness or complicity in England needs to face justice. The form that justice takes, at this stage, should be considered irrelevant.

What on earth has happened to the English. Was every worthwhile K selected man killed in the wars. I’ve never, ever seen the degree of contempt and inhuman disregard for members of your own nation that is evident from the upper class in England.

It would have been better if Hitler had conquered Britain then to simply stand there and let your most vulnerable people be raped by foreign invaders while you pay them to do it. The Nazis had esteem for their Germanic related cousins. They would have cared for these girls more then their modern oh so precious democractically elected (((English))) government. That’s a fact. For these million little girls, it would have been better to be citizens of a Nazi protectorate then reside in current English society.

Oh, this is too heavy?

Read the Rotherham Royal Commission. Then go on Tor and find the other official material that is being held confidential. The photos and videos that come from a horror movie – like scenes of what would have happened if the muslims had conquered Vienna in 1683.

Read about the experience of ‘Samantha’. Read about the fathers arrested in the street for hate speech for pointing through a window at their daughter being gang-raped live. Listen to the interview Tommy Robinson did with the father, before Tommy was arrested for conducting the interview. That man has lost his sanity and just reading about this and internalising the sheer helpless horror of it strains your own.

Oh, so these are strong words.

The British government has no mandate while this continues. Everything they do or say is basically irrelevant.

It’s an ongoing culture-ending disgrace. Everyone from England should be utterly ashamed of themselves, every moment.

The English are a disgrace.

Any English person reading this who thinks I’m being rather dramatic, just take your precious feelings and get out of New Zealand. You aren’t representative of our values. What you are allowing would never ever happen here. You are a pale creature and your masculinity or should we say emasculinity, or if you’re a women your disgusting lack of solidarity with these girls makes you persona non grata. Get out. Go back to your Caliphate.

New Zealand isn’t for Dhimmis, or Queens descended from Mohammad, or deracinated fools without a conscious or apparently a soul.

England is dead. Even a republic, and I’m fully aware of the manifold issues, would be better then associating with the royal family of Mohammad and his merry band of rapers who already rule the streets in England.
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April 21, 2018 5:07pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Step away from the Meth pipe…
  
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  April 21, 2018 5:13pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Yeah nice.
    
    Get offended more.
    
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    April 21, 2018 5:23pm
- Nostradamus
  
  UpandComer: Test. Test test. Testing
  
  JibberJabber: Step away from the Meth pipe…
  
  More please!
  
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  April 21, 2018 5:55pm
  - UpandComer
    
    It’s all for your enjoyment Nostradamus. I certainly don’t mean any of the ‘horrid’ things I say.
    
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    April 21, 2018 6:13pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Does that win rant of the year?
  
  I know it’s only April but fuck me that’s A class ranting right there!
  
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  April 21, 2018 6:43pm
UpandComer

Here is some more for Nostradumus:

Remember, we’ve killed the natural law, and now we’ve irrevocably linked Chrisitianity to the suppression of science:

In the late 1990’s, University of bradford archeometallurgist Gerry McDonnell found evidence ear Rievaulx Abbey in North Yorkshire, Englahd, of a degree of technological sophistication commensurate with the great machines of the 18th century Industrial Revolution. Rievaulx Abbey was one of the monasteries that King Henry VIII orderd closed in the 1530’s as part of his confiscation of Church properties). In explorting the debris of Reivaulx and Laskill (an outstation about four miles from the monastery) McDonnell found that the monks had built a furnace to extract iron from ore.

The typical such furnace of the 16th century had advanced relatively little over it’s ancient counterpart and was noticeably inefficient b modern standards. The slag, or byproduct, of these primitive furnaces contained a substantial concentration of iron, since the furnaces could not reach temperatures high enough to extract all the iron from the ore. The slag that McDonnell discovered at Laskill however, was low in iron content. In fact it was as low in iron content as slag produced by a modern blast furnace.

AS LOW IN IRON CONTENT AS SLAG PRODUCED BY A MODERN BLAST FURNACE

McDonnell showed that the monks were on the verge of building dedicated furnaces for the large-scale production of cast iron – perhaps the key ingredient that ushered in the industrial age. The furnace at Laskill had been a prototype of such a furnace. “One of the key things is that the Cistercians had a regular meeting of abbots every year and they had the means of sharing technological advances across Europe (the Cistercians had hundreds of monasteries across Europe, each a model factory and assembly line in it’s own right)”. The break up of these monasteries broke up this network of technology transfer. The monks “had the potentia to move to blast furnaces that produced nothing but cast iron. They were poised to it on a large scale, but by breaking up the virtual monopoly, Henry VIII broke up that potential”.

David Derbyshire. “Henry ‘Stamped out industrial Revolution.” Telegraph [U.K], June 21, 2002; see also “Henry’s Big Mistake,” Discover Magazine, February 1999.
Quoted by Thomas E Woods Jnr, PHD.

The Cistercians would have ushered in an industrial revolution vastly more humane then the one which occurred 200 years before it happened. The only thing that stopped the Cistercians from doing so was the licentiousness and greed of that fool, Henry VIII.

Of course, this is all taught in class-rooms isn’t it.

Progressives need to be purged from everything. When the great secular schism happens, and it is going to happen certainly in the United States and probably elsewhere, we are going to leave them in the muck and dust of the stupidity and ignorance which fills their every waking moment.
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April 21, 2018 6:03pm
- GoVege
  
  Let’s face it….Henry the Eighth was a total pr*ck.
  
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  April 21, 2018 9:29pm
nasska

…..” we are going to leave them in the muck and dust of the stupidity and ignorance which fills their every waking moment.”…..

Once you get over the superstition & ignorance that allows you to believe in Biblical Creation & virgin birth.

I won’t hold my breath waiting.
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April 21, 2018 6:07pm
- UpandComer
  
  The superstition and ignorance of the Cictercians lent itself to the creation of iron ore smelts in the early 16th century which produced iron ore commensurate in purity to modern furnaces. They would have catalysed a humane industrial revolution across their network of monasteries across the entirety of Europe.
  
  Those men were intellectual giants, vastly more adept in actual science and actual engineering then every peabody who has read the God Delusion.
  
  If what you say is true, what happened, could not possibly have happened. But it happened. The next decade is going to be a continual process of you re-adjusting to new realities.
  
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  April 21, 2018 6:56pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Ok. UpandComer vs nasska on the subject of…religion. This’ll be good. Got my popcorn. ?
    
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    April 21, 2018 7:00pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Those men were intellectual giants, vastly more adept in actual science and actual engineering”…..
    
    They were Catholic clergy. They had the monopoly on the written word & learning as well as funding from a nobility who relied on them to keep the great unwashed in fear of the “next life” & in their place.
    
    Only the Reformation & the spread of knowledge via the advent of printing allowed science to be separated from superstition & belief in the Skyfairy.
    
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    April 21, 2018 7:15pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Ok, so as per the Christopher Hitchens anecdote about being confronted in Northern Ireland and pressed to declare his sectarian affiliations even after he emphatically declared his rejection of religious faith
      
      …you may be an atheist, but you are a Protestant atheist, not a Catholic atheist? ?
      
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      April 21, 2018 7:22pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”but you are a Protestant atheist, not a Catholic atheist”…..
        
        Culturally I am a “Protestant atheist” but my innate fairness allows me condemn the entire Godbothering racket as a crock of shit. 🙂
        
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        April 21, 2018 7:29pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Wrong.
      
      Learn about the Carolingian renaissance.
      
      The ‘monopoly’ on literacy such as it was, was a function of economics and technology, not policy. The language of literacy was not the language of vernacular, and the language had to be developed to be universal. Additionally, the scripts to be read had to actually be produced.
      
      Carolingian miniscule, invented by Alcuin at Saint Martin’s was more important then the printing press. It established all the conventions of text that exist today. Capitalisation. Same sized lettering. Punctuation instead of linked text. Paragraphs.
      
      The chief aim of the church was to proselytise. How do you proselytise. You build schools and universities. So that’s what they did – that was policy set at the Synod in Bavaria in 798, and the councils of Chalons and Aix in 816 and 813.
      
      From Theodulf, Alcuin’s best pal, in the ninth century:
      
      “In the villages and townships the priests shall open schools. If any of the faithful entrust their children to them to learn letters, let them not refuse to instruct these children in all charity… when the Priests undertake the task, let them accept no payment”.
      
      In the ninth and tenth centuries, Europe was attached by waves of Vikings, Magyars, and Muslims (always muslims). Those catholic clergy preserved the Greco Roman legacy. Alone. There were only a handful of manuscripts of the canon in existence. How do you teach a mass population to read off of three manuscripts. Ohhhh, but it’s all a sinister Papist plot!
      
      You say they didn’t share knowledge.
      
      Except – they were responsible for all the technology of corn production in Sweden.
      Wine, in Champagne. You might know of a brand named after a monk called Dom Perignon. Wine production technology was freely shared.
      Ireland – Salmon fisheries
      Lombardy (France) – irrigation, vital to the industrial revolution.
      
      The monks invented animal husbandry, and freely shared the knowledge with anyone who wanted it.
      
      Water clocks
      Astronomical clocks.
      
      Father Fransesco Lana-Terzi in 1670 wrote the first treatise on mechanically powered flight.
      
      The first universities were opened by the Church, at Paris, Bologna, Oxford and Cambridge. Every single aspect of the structure of university life was established by the church.
      
      The Church was the foundation of modern economics, not Smith. International Law.
      
      No modern scholar who studies the history of science agrees with you.
      
      Not one.
      
      Had the Cistercian system remained, as I said, an industrial revolution tempered by the natural law would have developed in the 1500’s, not the 1700’s. Who knows what would have developed.
      
      Only the preservation of the Greco-Roman canon, the network effects of the monasteries, the creation and protection of schools and universities, invention or innovation of almost every facet of agriculture we take for granted today allowed the spread of knowledge.
      
      Even during the reformation, they had zero, zero reluctance to sheer any material whatsoever unrelated to theological subject matter.
      
      But they key is this. It was Widsom 11:21 which stated God “ordered all things by measure, number, and weight” giving rise to the very notion of a rational orderly universe, which allowed the very concept of the scientific method to be developed and shared.
      
      That idea is entirely missing from every other religion except Judaism, and only fully realised by Christianity.
      
      Jaki wins that case in “Science and Creation” with respect to Arabic, Babylonian, Chinese, Egyptian, Greek, Hindu and Maya culture. None of them even developed the concept.
      
      That idea, was the pre-requisite for formal and sustained scientific enquiry.
      
      Islamic scholars heroically made contributions in optics, math and medicine, and preserved parts of Aristotle. But as Salman Rushdie explains in the Satanic Verses, their doctrine allows no concept of a universe with consistent physical laws.
      
      The science/theology distinction as existed for centuries – Saint Anselm spoke of God’s ordered power (potentia ordinata) and his absolute power (potentia absoluta). In every other culture there is only potentia ordinata, or Pantheism.
      
      Thierry of the Cathedral School of Chartres is the founder of modern science.
      
      To hold your position, now, in 2017, you have to be at odds with every single scholar of the history of science, including rampant church haters like Frances Guizot.
      
      All of the excesses of the Church Martin Luther was reacting to were purely based upon matters of theology.
      
      As the replicability crisis shows, and the dumb statements of idiots like Sam Harris continue to underline, science absent the natural law is a random number generator.
      
      As I said, anyone with ‘faith’ and it is only faith, in the scientific method absent the metaphysical framework that allowed it’s inception, is an imbecile.
      
      Don’t be an imbecile.
      
      You could have had your peaceful reformation in the 16th century. But Henry VIII got dick-sore.
      
      Now we’re being overrun by hordes of muslims and are subject to the stupidity of post-modernism and it’s all because of a rejection of what our civilization actually IS, since the 60’s.
      
      We all have an awareness something is awry. It’s only partly to do with spirituality or morality. We’ve lost our grip on empiricism. Well it’s going to come back. The Catholic clergy, once again, will play a key rule.
      
      All atheists are future Dhimmis. Oh, you idiots think when the time comes you’ll stand up for muh free market and muh free speech and muh scientific method.
      
      You’ll do nothing. You’ll submit. You’ll submit. That’s what you do. You submit.
      
      The Church fathers were some of the greatest men that ever lived.
      
      You’re completely wrong, and it’s tiresome. It’s just tiresome dealing with idiots.
      
      That’s why the Benedict option or some other form of exclusive state seems like it will eventually be the only option.
      
      If you don’t want to be muslim I suggest you update your error.
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:11pm
      - Swifty
        
        What is more likely?
        
        Mary bore your God a son – or a Jewish minx told a lie?
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        Just for what it’s worth – if it does come to a rumble between the Armies of Islamic Imperialism versus Western-Christian civilisation I might venture that most Athiests would be among your best, most loyal and fiercest friends.
        
        Something for you to ponder…..
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:36pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Swifty
        
        …a Jewish minx told a lie
        
        As the standard skeptics’ response is that the church invented Jesus’ alleged virgin birth over a century after it supposedly occurred, having stolen the idea from existing pagan God-resurrection myths
        
        …and as per my response today to mikewasmild after he said he prefers zealous to tepid Christians yet dismisses Israel Folau as a “complete fuckwit”
        
        …will you unbelievers kindly make up your mind about exactly (justified adverb!) how we are ignorant and deceived?! ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 9:57pm
  - Swifty
    
    What is clear to me is that year after year, decade after decade, century after century into the future science and humanism will push religion further and further into the corners of human existence.
    
    It is clear that this is precisely what has been happening for quite some time now and there is nothing on the horizon that will change this.
    
    And thank goodness.
    
    I regard myself lucky that I exist during these exciting times.
    
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    April 21, 2018 7:56pm
    - Kimbo
      
      But here’s the thing. In the early ‘60s it seemed science would solve every problem as your statement implies. Was the era of Le Corbusier’s brutal utilitarian architecture, manned space exploration, wonder drugs, and mass production of cars, tvs, fridges…
      
      …yet within a few years, and still during the ‘60s, and despite the undoubted impact of science and technology, and while established religion declined in the first world
      
      …all manner of new religions and spirituality sprang up. It may not prove the existence of God, but human beings are, of their very nature, beings who need belief in or contemplation of transcendence in some form in their psychological, emotional and social activity.
      
      Hence most find formal humanism, and hard-core scientism sterile and obscure irrelevant philosophies.
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:09pm
      - Swifty
        
        Follow the trend dear Kimbo, follow the trend……
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:26pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”most find formal humanism, and hard-core scientism sterile “….
        
        IOW they prefer to retreat from reality & seek sanctuary in the falsehood of spirituality?
        
        They’re losers. You’re welcome to them!
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Swifty
        
        As per Chou Enlai when asked about the effects of the French Revolution
        
        …it’s too early to tell! ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        And you accuse religious zealots of being out of touch with reality? Your dismissal of the reality of human nature and the ways in which that manifests itself in the lives of most reminds me of the hardcore Stalinist ideological zealots. Lots of things change, nasska, but human nature doesn’t. ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:36pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”in which that manifests itself in the lives of most”…..
        
        Only the confused & bewildered. Whether they make up “most” of the populace is debatable! 🙂
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You’re the one writing off (“They’re losers. You’re welcome to them!”) all those who don’t embrace “formal humanism and hard-core scientism”/the sanctuary of spirituality. So no, I think we both know there’s not much debate that means…most. ?
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:54pm
    - UpandComer
      
      It’s the exact opposite.
      
      Humanism is an exhausted, spent, cannabilistic set of fantasy notions consuming it’s own adherents.
      
      Humanists don’t have children. Humanists don’t ascribe value to any particular thing. Humanists literally don’t even have a grasp on the concept of ‘objective’.
      
      Humanists are future dhimmis. Every single last one of them.
      
      Humanist triumphalism is probably the single most stupid and incorrect theory that exists.
      
      It won’t be until you morons are all doing your seven bows or repeating the government mantras supplied by the Chinese to avoid a bad social credit score that you will understand.
      
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      April 21, 2018 8:14pm
      - Swifty
        
        Nope.
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:25pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Humanists don’t have children”….
        
        Three & eight grandchildren. At any time I’m only the thickness of a PaknSave condom away from Great grandfatherhood status.
        
        ….”Humanists don’t ascribe value to any particular thing”…..
        
        Ever given thought to the words of your mythical deity?
        
        …..Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”…..
        
        It’s good advice but you don’t have to believe in magic to take it on board.
        
        …..”Humanists literally don’t even have a grasp on the concept of ‘objective’.”…..
        
        ‘Objective?’ From someone who gets his instructions via burning shrubbery?
        
        Com-on.
        
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        April 21, 2018 8:38pm
UpandComer

Going back to yesterdays thread where I suddenly reminded people that God exists in accordance of induction from the natural law.

https://archive.fo/SuJ5F

For the ‘I Love Fucking Science” and “Women in STEM” crowd:

Anyone with faith in science absent the operation of the natural law is now demonstrably an imbecile.

Only 6 of 53 ‘landmark studies’ in Hematology and Oncology (blood and cancer) could be replicated during years of trying by Amgen.

11% validity.

These aren’t ‘soft’ social sciences, where we already know almost everything can’t be replicated.

These are hard sciences. These are sciences which doctors use as a reference for decisions made about patients’ endocrine systems. About their blood. That determine cancer treatments. These sciences are supposed to be interchangeable with engineering.

11% validity is effectively random.

11% is multiples less reliable then flipping a coin.

The Neil Degrasse Tyson tier ‘scientodists’ of this world have said that witness testimony should be barred from the court-room because it is too unreliable.

On the basis of the probabilities outlined above, shared in almost every other scientific discipline that isn’t engineering, expert testimony from scientists should also be barred from the court-room. Scientists are liars and they are no better then a random number generator. If we are to apply the scientific method to expert testimony, scientists should be barred from the justice system and policy making.

In fact, if we are going to be consistent with what atheists say, scientists should also be barred from the class-room.

The people who rely upon scientific authority are now demonstrably imbeciles.

How many laws and policies are based on non-existent science (like ECE and palliative care based on non-existent ‘neurogenesis’).

How many patients have been killed because of bloodwork based on results that may have well been gleaned from a voodoo rain-dance in the offices of Julius Malema with Chimpanzees throwing shit into the air and catching it in mouths. By sneering doctors.

But we can completely trust doctors and the state when it comes to euthanasia.

Someone else said it much better then I ever could:

“Scientistry now stands condemned by its beloved scientodific metric. The New Atheists reasoned that religious faith must be false on the basis of presuming the eyewitness testimony and documentary evidence to the contrary being false, but now we actually know, we do not merely reason, that it is faith in science that is false due to irreproducibility.”

Faith in science is false.

The Cistercians would have ushered in an industrial revolution, a vastly more humane one, 200 years before it happened, had Henry VIII out of licentiousness and greed, not destroyed the Catholic church in England. But the church is anti-science.

Rotherham is happening.

This is why all progressives have to be purged from all institutions.

Forget about going to Mars. If we want to keep indoor plumbing, progressives all have to be removed from any position of influence, or they all have to go back.

Vibrant dindus and degenerate rainbows aren’t worth losing the scientific method or the natural law.

When the great secular schism comes between the empirical and the fantastical, and it’s coming, join the side that will have indoor plumbing.
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April 21, 2018 6:07pm
Swifty

Nosty, stigie, nasska:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/103294883/want-to-buy-penny-brights-house-she-says-forget-it
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April 21, 2018 6:09pm
- nasska
  
  From Swifty’s link:
  
  …..” “[My stand] is a sacrifice and nobody’s making me do this, but I do have a strong sense of what’s right and what’s wrong … and who will do it if I don’t?” “……
  
  I’m largely refraining from criticising Penny because of her health issues but this is over the top.
  
  Stripped to basics it has nothing to do with right, wrong, sacrifice or martyrdom. She has spent the money……she by her own admission doesn’t have the wherewithal to pay her rates arrears never mind penalties & costs.
  
  Her’s is not a protest. It’s a way to get other people to pay for her chosen way of life.
  
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  April 21, 2018 6:22pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    And she is loving all the publicity. Enjoy the positive newspaper photos while they last Penny. Love the teapot cosy! The time will come when it is another photo of you resisting arrest as you are removed from what used to be your house.
    
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    April 21, 2018 6:32pm
    - Swifty
      
      Love the victim stuff too.
      
      This is a situation entirely of her own making – but she’s the one being ‘persecuted’, ‘picked on’ and ‘prosecuted’.
      
      She has fallen dramatically in my esteem now that it has been revealed that she never had her rates money put away somewhere.
      
      Penny is a con. There I’ve said it.
      
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      April 21, 2018 6:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And look at the vase of fabulous roses.
      
      Such style.
      
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      April 21, 2018 7:13pm
  - RF
    
    Cat woman sounds just like con woman.
    
    Who gives a rats arse.
    
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    April 21, 2018 10:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That article has only been up for a couple of hours and there are hundreds of upticks on the comments that tell Penny to pay her rates.
  She hasn’t got a sympathetic audience.
  
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  April 21, 2018 6:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    Saw that, yes.
    
    Maggy did you see the notice I posted earlier today about my Gisborne cousin?
    
    A fine man.
    
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    April 21, 2018 6:48pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @swifty
      
      I can’t access any on-line Gisborne Herald material (must have used up my limit), so get a blank when I click on your link.
      (? Api Mahuika)
      
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      April 21, 2018 7:02pm
      - Swifty
        
        Righto.
        
        Bob Smith, ex-Pacific veteran, Te Aitanga-a-Hauiti, came back and bought out his father’s firm and became Smith Bros Transport. Worked the coast for decades.
        
        Retired and bought the Endeavour Lodge on Gladstone Road.
        
        Always immaculately dressed. Suit and tie whenever called for.
        
        I was in awe of him as a kid.
        
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        April 21, 2018 7:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve only been in Gisborne 4 years, so unfamiliar with all of that.
        
        David Garrett grew up here… might have known him.
        
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        April 21, 2018 7:55pm
- Nostradamus
  
  “The ad featured a photo of her three bedroom house with cats on the roof, furniture cluttered on the deck, and tarpaulins tethered by ropes to its railings.”
  
  Is that what a “character home” looks like these days? 🙂
  
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  April 21, 2018 7:08pm
nasska

A good, clean living Atheist died and went to Heaven. St Peter met him at the door. “You can’t come in here,” Peter said. The Atheist asked why.

“You’re Atheist… sorry. But Hell isn’t so bad. Your friends are there and they say it’s cool.”

The Atheist is depressed but goes anyway, because he was, well, an Atheist.

So he goes to Hell and is greeted by a beautiful green field with people picnicking and having a great time. A man in a white comes over to him and presents himself as Satan and the Devil tells him of all the delights in what appears to be a 5 star resort.

“Wow!” thinks the Atheist. “Hell ain’t so bad! I’m happy to be here.”

Suddenly, the sky gets black and fire spews from the ground. A screaming, flaming man falls from the sky and is swallowed by a crack in the earth.

After he disappears, everything returns to normal.

“What the heck was that?!” the Atheist asks Satan.

Satan replies, “That was a Christian. They wouldn’t have Hell any other way.”
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April 21, 2018 7:55pm
DigNap15

If I was Trump, I would meet Rocket Man, no conditions on the meeting.
But I would say at the meeting, that the sanctions will continue and get harder until you stop all your nuclear testing. Close all the plants,. allow verification And move your artillery out of range of South Korea.
We will gaurantee your independence, and then remove the sanctions
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April 21, 2018 8:05pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Everyone knows that’s not going to happen.
  
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  April 21, 2018 8:33pm
Left Right and Centre

Hey mate – check out my sweet aunty Anika on that seven thing programme.
She’s c-o-o-o-o-o-o-l as, eh bro ?
Ah yeah man, checks outs da tats cuzzie.
Ah can’t believe that they’ve got someone as awesome styles as her, *eh* cuz ? Far *out* man !!

I reckon she’s a chorce singer bro – right on aunty.
Loves to hear her karaoke – er – what’s it called – carry on for ages, that’s it.
Can I share a box or two with her behind the whatit’sname – aah – BK car park ? Ye-are sister.
Always got the laughs, got the smile – I thinks she likes to smoke some leaf hard, *eh* cuzzie ?

Go hard girl – keep it real, tell them how you roll in the hood . . . take down y’all player haters. You be all that shit an a bag of ghost chips. Chur
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Another diversity dividend in Italy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5650293/British-woman-held-sex-slave-two-weeks-Italy.html
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