General Debate 16 April 2018

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Right of way is Way of Right

The Prime Minister has defined the decision to end new oil and gas exploration in New Zealand as the Nuclear Free moment for our generation.

Is it Jacinda? Is it really??

We’ll come back to that in a minute, but first of all, the Nuclear Free stance. What changed? Not a lot! There are now MORE nuclear powers in the world than when the policy was announced back in the mid 80’s! There are still ballistic missiles at sea. Sure, the US Navy removed nuclear weapons from it’s surface fleet, but they are still building nuclear powered aircraft carriers! In short, the much heralded Nuclear Free decision achieved nothing except an estrangement from our traditional allies, rectified only after 9/11, and the loss of many lives, including members of our own military, sent in to the area of operations by yet another Labour Government. Let’s call that a lesson in unintended consequences, shall we!

Now, as for Jacinda calling this the Nuclear free moment for our generation, umm, I’m calling bullshit!

Now, I would love for the world to end it’s reliance on fossil fuel, but in order to do that, it will require capital investment on a huge scale, a second industrial revolution. That’s going to require a huge investment in infrastructure, and that’s going to need a lot of capital. The best available source of capital is, ironically, sitting under our continental shelf in our potential offshore oil and gas reserves. If we try to be the world leader in the shift away from fossil fuels, we can’t do it on a shoestring, and I am damn sure we can’t do it with one years free tertiary education!

This government is very keen to portray itself as a progressive government. A progressive government would use the generated capital to invest in infrastructure, such as roads of national significance, a broadband network, a new city! To simply draw a line in the sand, announce that there will be no more exploration beyond the current licences, and then hope that somehow this will magically cause a solution to the fossil fuel use conundrum to appear is just lunacy!

It’s a Hail Mary play, a hit and hope approach, presented by a Government that hasn’t got a clue, hasn’t got a plan, and is making shit up as we go along. This is going to cost us, big time!

Three guesses as to who gets stuck with the bill!
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April 16, 2018 8:00am
- alloytoo
  
  Of course the biggest problem with the Anti-Nuclear brigade is the they’ve strangled research in this field for decades, killed thousands, if not hundreds of thousands by preventing a orderly shift from Coal power generation to Nuclear generation, kept millions in poverty and (assuming CO2 is actually causing climate change) hastened it’s approach.
  
  Who do we have to thank for high CO2 levels? The Greenies that’s who.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:12am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So right alloytoo that this is about “poverdy”. A key plank of the Alinsky philosophy so loved by the left is the “ramp up poverdy” play. It’s a classic divide and conquer tactic of the left.
    
    The logic fits:
    – ban oil and gas extraction
    – oil and gas gets more expensive (energy poverdy)
    – those who invested to use gas (in particular) are now faced with wasting their investment and turning back to electricity or facing ever-increasing gas bills
    – either way, hardship is created and more disposable income goes on utilities
    – poverdy is increased
    
    All proving that capitalism has failed!
    
    Herald in a one party socialist totalitarian government to save the poor from the evil exploitative capitalist running dogs.
    
    And the demonstration pilot was Venezuala – yet still we stick with MMP (an electoral system that clearly favours fascist socialism) and our opposition is moving ever further to the Left. (Oh fuck me if Labour Lite haven’t selected another Maori (to show how progressive they are) to stand in Northcote FFS)
    
    It’s deeply cynical and evil. As I said earlier, there’s more economic vandalism coming at us over the next two years or so.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:27am
  - Justitia
    
    Now here’s a “progressive” idea for Jacinda to decree. Let’s shut down the tourism industry. In the year to February 2018 we received nearly 2 million tourists. Most came here by plane, pumping over 10 million tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. 10 million tonnes Jacinda! And we encouraged them to do this with our “100 percent pure” campaign! Oh the hypocrisy. Add to this the rental cars and buses they used here, and the methane gas escaping from drunken Germans farting and crapping all over Central Otago. We must put a stop to it on your return from Europe Jacinda. Let’s do this!
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:37am
    - alloytoo
      
      No, no, do it before she returns. Ban all air travel to NZ
      
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      April 16, 2018 11:32am
      - Justitia
        
        Why didn’t I think of that. Great idea!
        
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        April 16, 2018 12:54pm
- Paulus
  
  In the UK it is said that to convert all the vehicles to electricity requires twelve new Nuclear Power Stations to generate enough electricity.
  Why did we get ourselves into this mess ? MMP.
  Vote for a change ! – anarchists who will if allowed destroy our Country – why ?
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    Apparently NZ would need to double our network generation and carrying capacity.
    
    but not to worry, according to some greenies empty dams can continue to supply power to charge our BEVs. (either that or it’s unicorn horns)
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:24am
    - alloytoo
      
      Further to this, BEVs are not Zero Emissions (despite their logos) they merely have really long tailpipes.
      
      Given inefficiencies of burning coal to produce power, send it down a power line, store it chemically in a battery….. so unless your power is coming from a Nuclear reactor we’re probably better off encouraging better ICE technology to reduce consumption and if you want to apply subsidies. encourage fleet renewal, with the added bonus of improved safety.
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:38am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      About 20% increase or 1-2GW for NZ. That would maybe cost 5-10Billion for large scale PV (given need about 3x as much PV to give same total energy delivery). It’s affordable for NZ given transition will take decades.
      
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      April 16, 2018 9:36am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Oh please Paulus who are you kidding? You think their energy grid can get by with 12 more nuclear reactors of energy surging through them, the standard 60A 230V single-phase powersupply network will need to be ripped out, both to the houses and within the houses and commercial buildings….
    
    The cost to rewire the entire country would be enormous, I am not an electric engineer so I don’t know what that entails or the cost, perhaps going to two phase, or rolling out high-voltage or IDK….
    
    All I know is that it will cost imensely, now ideally based on NZ metrics (and these are rough calculations) of 14,000Km a year, and supposed Tesla milage per Kwh you are looking at a constant load of 1.4Kwh (about 10% of the standard house supply) for a 2 car household, per hour for 12 hours, if they plug their car in from 7pm to 7am every day and it draws the power out over that full period….
    
    And that is an unrealistic utopian estimation to just assume that all electric car chargers will be porgrammed to extend out charging time over the night to help mitigate network overloads…. And I would be very surprised if the grid is rated for a 12/360day additional continuous 6amp load per residential supply, between 7pm-7am.
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:53am
- niggly
  
  Jacinda is such a spinner – the nuclear free issue and the likes of “climate change” aren’t even remotely connected.
  
  It doesn’t even make a good metaphor. It’s as absurd, as the Left used to say, as about declaring “war on terror” last decade.
  
  For Jacinda and her earnest convictions, it sounds good, so she says it and the MSM lap it up because it makes a good sound bite.
  
  Hmm “Sound-bite Cindy” – another name that people here have given Jacinda. Mind you it fits. Will history remember NZ’s worse ever, inexperienced and out-of-her depth, virtue-signalling Prime Minister as “sound-bite Cindy” as well?
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:39am
  - alloytoo
    
    They are actually related, but not in the way Jacinda is trying to sell.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:46am
    - niggly
      
      Yeah, related as in being daft virtue-signalling and ultimately ineffective at the end of the day??!!!!
      
      The only “benefit” if one could call it that, is it provides a ginormous trough for virtue-signalers to show everyone else how much they can boast and waste precious time and money, but actually achieve very little.
      
      When even the likes of virtue-signaler extraordinaires responsible for the anti-nuclear business like Sir Geoffrey Palmer have been saying it is no longer relevant for NZ and should be revisited, well what does that say about it all!
      
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      April 16, 2018 9:03am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    “Sound-bite Cindy” – Gold ! I will however still refer to her as the mule toothed communist….
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:56am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I like it too.
      Can we abbreviate that to SBC?
      
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      April 17, 2018 4:40am
- Simon
  
  “The Prime Minister has defined the decision to end new oil and gas exploration in New Zealand as the Nuclear Free moment for our generation.”
  
  Dont take what a lot of Princess says at face value.
  
  By doing this it secures Labo’s left flank. National would never give the Greens this. Greens with this are good for 5 or 6%. The base believe with all their might about Climate fraud. Climate fraud is the licence for many mongs to believe that the State can create utopia.
  
  Climate fraud is the gateway drug for mongs into utopia creation
  
  Labo is like a drug pusher and the users, the Greens will be welded to them for supply and an ever increasing price.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:09am
  - Crisplion
    
    Simon, I think you’re dead right that this is a ploy by Labour to shore up their crumbling left flank and that it will probably work. When the 2020 campaign comes around, the Greens will be reminding their dopey supporters that they influenced the government to ban oil exploration.
    
    On the other hand Labour are risking the possible loss of more votes in the center than they save for the Greens on the left. If this crew of liars, lunatics and larcenists win a second term things are going to get very ugly indeed so I really hope this costs them more than it benefits them.
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:44am
- UpandComer
  
  Australia is going to need to get tactical nuclear weapons that aren’t operated or within the command system of the United States. Just read some material about about the volume and scale of Chinese commercial sabotage and intellectual property theft and democratic Subversion in Australia. however, if Australia had 100 tactical nuclear missiles that could annihilate any invasion fleet even absent US intervention they would have vastly improved national security. Lol ex US acronym guys report that practically every single Chinese student in the United States is suborned by their government into giving the Chinese government intelligence on pain of consequences for their families back home.
  
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  April 16, 2018 11:37am
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    We both need to reduce our over-reliance on anyone nation as a materials supplier not just for military equipment but for all sorts of other equipments and supplies, because to be overly deppendent on one faction or supplier for anyone thing is to make oneself particularly vulnerable.
    
    And to transition the role of the military from a source of job creationism and make-work for the traditionally low-skilled into a working (as in have them work on public works in peacetime between drills, training and whatnot) defensive military force.
    
    That also means white-elephant projects like the F35B, large amphib transports, big one of a kind destroyers and the like need to go, and there needs to be an emphasis on procuring the right types of equipment, in sufficent quantities (as opposed to the ‘most advanced’).
    
    There are plenty of Off-the-shelf fighters and ships and whatnot that are cheap enough to be fielded in sufficent numbers, and capable enough to get the job done…. Also used equipment is fine too, think FedEX fly many ‘new’ cargo planes around…. No… All the big air-freight companies use second-hand planes… The military should use second hand planes for transports, tankers and the like also…
    
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    April 16, 2018 12:03pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I understand that Prime Minister John Gorton gave the go-ahead for Australia to develop nuclear weapons, namely by giving the green light for the development of a nuclear reactor at Jervis Bay which would be used to make weapons grade plutonium. After John Gorton was replaced by William McMahon as Prime Minister in 1971 this project was canned.
    Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jervis_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Plant_proposal
    http://guides.naa.gov.au/records-about-act/part1/chapter5/5.7.aspx
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:32pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right Right of Way but it is also such a furtive hollow gesture when our emissions levels are so low we are the envy of many over this as the great recovery from the GFC we led. More so when it has yet to be established what the true uptake of CO2 has not yet been established. On their last attempt NIWA underestimated by 70% but perhaps the Government apply the same thinking to uptake as they do to the economy. Instead of appropriating funds from their empty wallet they need to get something to allocate. Their ideological drivers are hell bent on delivering a “greater share” of prosperity but are spending far in excess of what is available or coming soon.
  Strange for a pregnant woman to throw the baby out with the bath water though not so surprising as so many unwed mother already do that.
  
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  April 16, 2018 6:10pm
peterwn

So Immigration wants to deport Mark Middleton for being an illigal immigrant of 32 years. Mark was Carla Cardno’s stepfather and Carla was abducted and killed 27 years ago and it seems the offender is still in prison. Mark created a stir at the time when he threatened to kill the offender (a crime punishable by 7 years imprisonment). Seems Immigration must have boing data matching and found the link. Mark came to NZ as a young child on his parents passport and Immigration claimed he did not get an immigration permit.
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April 16, 2018 8:00am
- waikatogirl
  
  Keep Mark Middleton and get rid of the filth that buried his daughter alive in the sand on a lonely windswept beach.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:05am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Absolutely. He’s been a fine Dad and provider by all accounts. Other than the threat. And what parent doesn’t think in the back of their minds what they might do if some lowlife crim endangered their children’s welfare. I feel sad for him. Still it’s not unexpected. We deport deserving fuckers and import the low-lives.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:13am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      We deport deserving fuckers and import the low-lives.
      
      This ain’t an accident or “stupidity” – it is deliberate policy across all White countries
      
      It’s near impossible for Whitey to get into the States (I could tell you some great personal stories) but they hand out green cards to all sorts of 3rd world trash.
      
      Even when Whitey can get in, it costs him or his company a fortune on top of the tax they’ll end up paying, while the Political Class will literally use our money to pay for the subsistence of the 3rd world low-lives via all sorts of govt boondoogles.
      
      All part of the Cloward Piven & Kalegri plans…….
      
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      April 16, 2018 10:18am
  - Jack5
    
    Exactly, Waikatogirl. Hang the murdering scumbag with piano wire.
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:05pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Having been educated and lived in and contributed to NZ for 55+ years I can’t see how the immigration dept can do anything other than give him citizenship. Amazes me that Lees-Galloway (Minister of Immigration) hasn’t already announced that. To prosecute or deport him is farcical.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:06am
  - peterwn
    
    By the way – my source:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12033108
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:10am
  - Happychappy
    
    Again NZ has given the criminal more rights than they afford the victim and their family. This will only get worst when Andrew Little starts his agenda on the Justice Systom.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  It would seem on the surface that Immigration officials have made Jacinda, Kelvin Davis and Iain Lees-Galloway through no faults of their own look hypocrites and there seems a good case for the Immigration head to be called in for a conversation without coffee. This is because NZ Immigration is doing in this case pretty well what Kelvin is accusing Australian immigration authorities of doing with respect to Kiwis in Oz who commit a crime carrying more than one years imprisonment.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:09am
- starboard
  
  NZers should be marching in the streets over Mark Middleton. It is OK to let a dirty convicted muslim sex offender stay here after a couple of sexual assaults against females (Akbari) however MM needs to be booted out. Its rank. The place has gone mad.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:10am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Is this the Pakistani with a couple of wives and a gaggle of kids who smacked one of the wives over the head with a tomahawk or something like that? Firstly, I didn’t know that polygamy was legal in NZ. And secondly, I wouldn’t mind betting the bastard is unemployed and you and me are paying this mongrel and his ‘wives’ a benefit to stay alive.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:28am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Is this the Pakistani with a couple of wives and a gaggle of kids who smacked one of the wives over the head with a tomahawk (as you do) or something like that? Firstly, I didn’t know that polygamy was legal in NZ. And secondly, I wouldn’t mind betting the bastard is unemployed and you and me are paying this mongrel and his ‘wives’ a benefit to stay alive.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:31am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  He was told over 30 years ago so has had plenty of time to sort it out. There’s no right to stay here just because you’ve got away with it for a sufficient period of time. That is the kind of bullshit argument people try to use when Trump wants to deport overstayers under similar circumstances.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:19am
  - srylands
    
    Yes that was my thought. Why on earth has he not applied for nz citizenship in the last 30 years?
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:24am
  - peterwn
    
    If that was the case then why did Immigration not follow up at the time. Assuming his parents obtained NZ residency when they immigrated to NZ, this should apply to their children named in the parent’s passport (nowadays all children have their own passports). It seems strange that such parents but not accompanying infant children are granted residency. A law change may be needed. In any case there is no need for Goon Squad type behaviour by immigration officials which occurred here – there was absolutely no need for them to forcibly enter a workplace in such circumstances.
    As for the ‘threatening to kill’ business, I thought the Police were being excessively precious at the time. If Carla had not been murdered he would have not made the threat. He could not have carried it out anyway as the offender was and is still in custody. The offender had nothing to fear from the threat (it is because of the fear factor that ‘threatening to kill’ is a serious crime). The Police (or Court) should have given him an opportunity to recant and then dropped the matter.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There must be loads of Poms in the same situation…arrived in NZ as children and have never got around to gaining NZ citizenship.
    
    We should put our Chief Kiwi Sniffer – Chris Hipkins – in charge of hunting them all down and turning them over to the Immigration authorities
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:49am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The union movement would be devastated…
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        …..And the Universities
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:23am
    - peterwn
      
      There are two factors here.
      Firstly there was a lax attitude towards immigration processes especially with respect to British, Australian and some other people. The Fitzgerald v Muldoon case underscored that slackness with respect to the law was not permitted.
      Secondly it was not until the age of the internet that people became more aware of immigration status and immigration matters. In particular immigration law keeps changing. For example, historically, a person born in NZ was a NZ citizen by birth. But this is not necessarily the case nowadays, for example if a parent was illegally in NZ or the purpose of the birth occurring in NZ was to access maternity services or to try and acquire NZ citizenship for the child.
      So because of these historical factors there is probably a significant number of people in NZ who strictly speaking should not be in NZ and risk deportation if they come to the notice of Immigration through data matching or other means.
      
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      April 16, 2018 9:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, I would have thought Michael Woodhouse and Nathan Guy would be on the ball with this one?
      
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      April 16, 2018 2:58pm
      - pentwig
        
        why would you think that whatever you thought would be relevant on KB?
        idiot.
        
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        April 16, 2018 7:18pm
  - 4077th
    
    My wife is currently trying to get her brother here. She came as a refugee under Muldoon’s policy at the time. She made an application for her brother. It was refused because Immigration NZ have no record of her coming here as a refugee. I stopped here making enquiries for the moment because Immigration then went on to ask for her proof of citizenship. You can see where that is going and what is coming next. My point is, Just because Immigration NZ have no records does not mean the person is NOT here legally. For them to use this as a first line of defence essentially means they do not need an excuse to deport you at will and that goes for every single person who has emigrated here in the last 40 or more years.
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:23pm
- G152
  
  And yet the morbidly obese German sits in some luxury and buys political favours.
  How about deporting the lardo first?
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:00am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Think how much money he is pouring into the local economy and the jobs that his is creating (including the man with the red flag that must always walk 6 paces in front of him).
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:41am
- JibberJabber
  
  Mr Middleton is a contributing member of NZ society, therefore according to Gummint logic he`s got to go, so they can import a dozen freeloading shithole refugees.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:08am
  - Jack5
    
    Maybe if he converts to Islam they will let him stay. Or they could apply for a visa through India.
    
    The Immigration Department is full of folk of non-Anglo, non-Maori origin so if I were a British-origin person who never completed immigration formalities I would be worried.
    
    Any day now, New Zealand will be bleating for special immigration provisions for young New Zealanders getting their O.E. If the present NZ clampdown gets enough publicity in the UK, that scheme will be finished.
    
    Then, when Australia finally shuts the back door to entry from NZ, we will be trapped on these shaky islands.
    
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    April 16, 2018 2:55pm
waikatogirl

Simon speaking on TV3 this morning said cancelling the oil and gas is a bad decision, a body blow to the regions and National will cancel the CoL’s ban on oil and gas policy. He has been speaking with oil and gas industry and they had no inkling of this policy decision and says jobs will be lost before the next election. There was no consultation with oil and gas leaders before the CoL dropped this on the industry. Simon said without a prior plan of how to replace this industry it will instead end with a return to burning coal.
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April 16, 2018 8:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Good, though took them waaay too long to say they would reverse it when it was not a difficult choice to make given facts of situation.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:08am
  - Happychappy
    
    Simon announced this policy early last week so is a day or two not quick enough for you. People criticize already because politicians lead with their mouth instead of their brain so I believe that he has done this right.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:19am
- Paulus
  
  Problem is that when reinstated by National then the next Left Wing Government will cancel all over again and so on.
  Oil and Gas is a long term project not a political cycle.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:19am
  - BananaLlama
    
    If Labor only govern 3 years for every 18 years of National it would drive the point home that NZ has moved away from Labors vision of our future.
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:58am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Not if we can get rid of the Greens next election.
    
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    April 16, 2018 12:00pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Given the radical changes in the Clark era that were criticised by National in opposition but then retained under Key, or made even worse, we shouldn’t expect National to overturn anything just because they say so.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  We should make no apologies for burning coal.
  
  Cheap , local and plentiful.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:58am
  - peterwn
    
    If you need lots of heat/steam in the South Island (eg hospitals, dairy factories, larger schools, Earnslaw etc) then coal is the only realistic choice. There is no reticulated gas that can supply these big users and while there are some bulk LPG facilities in the South Island LPG would be uneconomic for major users. Hence an on-shore or not too off-shore oil and gas fine would be manna from heaven for the South Island.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow , I take it you would be happy to have a coal-burning power station in your neighbourhood?
    
    Coal burning emissions has got to be good for you?
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:04pm
    - pentwig
      
      my grandparents and parents survived it sillyboy.
      i am sure i can.
      can’t you?
      
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      April 16, 2018 7:26pm
- niggly
  
  What were Labour/Greens/NZF thinking? The cost to import oil and gas (in lieu of local product) will increase – it’s only natural for that to happen – NZ will again be at the whim of the international market and events!
  
  NZF should know better, especially the likes of Winston Peters, but clearly the younger generation of Labour and Green MP’s (including the PM Select) have no memories of the 1970’s oil shocks, as NZ was then (as will be soon) dependent on overseas energy.
  
  We all know what happened – energy prices more than doubled, the economy tanked, extreme measures were put in … and eventually “neo-liberal/Rogernomics” was brought in to arrest the crippling debt the country faced.
  
  Do Labour/Greens (and NZF?) not remember and understand NZ’s history? Especially when the likes of “neo-liberalism” is at core of their memories (of hating it)? Did they not stop to think “why did the likes of “neo-liberalism” come about? Do they want to set up the conditions for “neo-liberal economics” to return with a vengeance in the future in order to bail out a financially broken NZ? Idiots!!!
  
  The Labour/Greens/NZF COL and PM Select Jacinda Ardern – all clearly out-of-their-depth, wrecking NZ’s economic prosperity whilst they play school-children politics!
  
  Irony alert: Jacinda claims she cares for children, the Greens always claim they care about children’s futures (eg vote Green etc). These idiots are actually destroying children’s (and the nations) future livelihoods!
  
  Go away COL – you’ve had your turn and you have proved you can’t govern!
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:17am
  - Fletch
    
    I am old enough to remember carless days. Our family’s was on Thursdays.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:28am
    - RF
      
      My sticker had an X… yeah !!!!!!!
      
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      April 16, 2018 2:29pm
  - KevOB
    
    Add to all that a wage price spiral from excessive union demands. There will be pressure on the balance of payments too with impact on our dollar bring further price increases.
    
    Doesn’t the Minister of Finance have a clue about anything other than chasing rainbows?
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:51am
Captain Mainwaring

So Barely Sober arrives at Auckland airport on his way to cover the airhead’s trip to Europe and wasn’t allowed on his plane because it was doing a two hour transit stop at LAX.
The problem with this is that he didn’t have the right visa because he went to Iraq in 2016 and Trumpy thinks this makes him a bad guy.
Har bloody har.
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April 16, 2018 8:03am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maybe Mr. Sober wanted his name in the media to raise his profile?
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:07am
  - Happychappy
    
    I think you will find he lost his mana and profile whilst trying to pull his head from his Messiah Winstons arse.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:46am
- holysheet
  
  He is reported as saying he went to Iraq with Sir John. Gives this visit as the reason for his problem
  Does the same apply to Sir John whenever he goes to Hawaii, or the mainland?
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:11am
  - cmm
    
    “Does the same apply to Sir John ”
    
    I don’t know, but that’s not the point.
    
    This was Soper failing to sort out his paperwork in time. Sir J probably would be a bit more on the ball.
    
    “Clerical incompetence grounds Soper” just doesn’t make a good headline.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:17am
    - sooty
      
      Yep. Barely Sober, did not do the paperwork!
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:36am
      - Paulus
        
        Like Peters and his pension !
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:49am
    - CHFR1
      
      It was been widely publicised that you needed a full visa to either transit the US or enter if you had been to Iraq, Iran, Yemen and a few other hot spots since Trump was elected. For heavens sake Stuff and The Herald went wild over this early last year.
      I will be interested to see who booked his travel because any agent worth their salt would mention this to him and it seems he didn’t even bother to get an ESTA (something you have needed for at least 10 years) to transit. I think Mr Soper stuffed up and can’t accept he is to blame for this.
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:38am
      - Tarquin North
        
        He should have tried the good old “don’t you know who I am?” line – I hear it works wonders.
        
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        April 16, 2018 8:42am
      - peterwn
        
        Tarquin – The ‘don’t you know who I am’ line won’t work for USA immigration officials. If the airline had let him on in Auckland without an ESTA or visa, it would have copped a fine from Uncle Sam.
        It does seem surprising that if you are transiting at LAX you have to ‘enter’ USA and are able to enjoy a bit of sun outside the Tom Bradley terminal even though the surrounds is a concrete jungle.
        
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        April 16, 2018 10:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Sir John would have been on a Diplomatic Passport like Calamity Cindy and her current squeeze.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:48am
- Monique Watson
  
  Saw that, Whingeing twat about shit he did and now doesn’t want to think about bearing the consequences. If he’s lucky (or unlucky) he’ll be granted passage into Canada.
  If you read his chuckle headed opinion piece he says, “Drugs are bad and I’m not as bad as other twerps”. Rounds it out with load of feminist crap to play to SJW’s.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:28am
- dime
  
  lmao what a sad article that was.
  
  the guy didnt do the online visa far enough in advance. it takes about two minutes, costs fuck all ($20?) and lasts a couple of years.
  
  its really not that hard.
  
  but to save himself and have a whinge he manages to get trumps name in there!?
  
  maye barely sober is just too old to use one of the new fandangled computers. maybe he should ask his daughter wife to do it
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  The problem with this is it shows up the west’s deficient border protection.
  
  Arrive by plane at airport , no entry.
  
  Cross a land border , illegally on foot , welcome.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:01am
- JibberJabber
  
  Barely is so pissed he don`t understand he can get to the junket without going thru the US.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:13am
  - GazzaW
    
    My thoughts exactly JJ. He could have flown via Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong, KL, Bangkok, Vancouver or even Buenos Aires on a single stop basis.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:56am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Soper is an entitled idiot….the rules are there plain and simple. I travelled to Syria, and still managed to get an ETSA in less than 6 hours.
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:00pm
holysheet

Just for our missing PM in witless protection.

KELVIN took 2 stuffed dogs to the Antiques Roadshow. The presenter said, “This is a very rare set, produced by the celebrated Johns Brothers taxidermists who operated in London at the turn of the last century. Do you have any idea what they would fetch if they were in good condition?”

“Sticks!” KELVIN replied.
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April 16, 2018 8:08am
- Monique Watson
  
  Oh that’s a fucking goody. Hope Kelvin can pull his fingers off his cock long enough to do some good before the COL falls apart. Or, if not good, then no further harm to the economy.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:19am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Perhaps Kelvin could back Mark Middleton to stay in the country. That might win him a few points from those of us out here in the real world.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:31am
- Harkman
  
  I still can’t comprehend that they let this guy run a high school. Seems like a crime against humanity.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:10am
  - lifesgood
    
    There are plenty more like him running NZ schools. Have pity on the poor kids.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:18am
RF

Wait for Sober to spew about this on the Airwaves.

We will never hear the end of it…..
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April 16, 2018 8:11am
- sooty
  
  Wait for Leighton to rip him a new arsehole, you mean!
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:38am
Justitia

Another excellent column by Bob Brockie on the push by neo-Marxists in the universities to equate Maori spiritual belief and science: https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/103044604/in-science-ambiguity-and-the-supernatural-are-anathema
Brockie deserves our full support. The idea that scientists should be compelled to submit their research proposals to iwi for approval is farcical. I truly despair of this country.
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April 16, 2018 8:11am
- RW Capitalist
  
  True science and discovery is under enough attack from over opinionated politicians or political actors as it is.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:27am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Likely have to pay koha for a blessing or something similar
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:11am
- Harkman
  
  Oh come on Justitia, it is perfectly logical that Maui was the size of Australia and fished up the North Island. And it is totally plausible that he also climbed up in the sky, grabbing the 5,500°c sun with flax ropes and slowed it down while wearing nothing but flax underpants. My only question is why he needed a boat.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:23am
  - fernglas
    
    If he’d been real, like Jesus, he could have just walked on the water.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:22am
- KevOB
  
  Science runs on the interpretation of observed facts sometimes by implication; other times by encounter and measurement. It cannot admit to alternative worlds except by thought experiment–wishes do not substitute for reality. Belief in science is limited to proposition and hypothesis. Knowledge is not imposed but by testing.
  
  The domain of spirituality may encompass science. The Christian belief in Creator and the creation explains the existence of a physical world which science examines.
  
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  April 16, 2018 11:09am
- itstricky
  
  I agree. Science and some of Humanities are different universes.
  
  But, having talked from the perspective of science, and reiterated that science requires empirical evidence and precision, he’s offered nothing but personal opinion, conjecture, and a bunch of possible calamities.
  
  I’ll read the next chapter, if & when something inappropriate does happen and both sides of the tale are put forth.
  
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  April 16, 2018 11:33am
Chuck Bird

I am very pleased to see my complaint against Catriona MacLennan to the NZLS got results. She has doubled down and thinks she is above the law.

Probe called ‘repugnant’: High court barrister calls for Law Society committee to be sacked

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12033026
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April 16, 2018 8:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A defendant or witness would be charged with contempt of court…yes???
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:25am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The answer is yes. I remember some time back a talkback host got a big fine. He really rubbished a judge. I think it was about a soft sentence.
    
    Lawyers are called Officers of the Court. They should be held to a higher standard than others. In any case, the NZLS seems to agree with my complaint.
    
    I think it would be outrageous if she was made a Counsel for Child. She is a real man hater.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:05am
RW Capitalist

So…..
JA
Top of the bill at your meeting with the French President….is Syria, thanks to your limp, almost disapproving announcement!!
Sounds more like a summons for a “please explain” from one of our 5 eyes partners.
NOT trade, as you would like.
That really does show just how incompetent and out of your depth you really are.
It’s NOT your personal opinion that counts or is of any remote importance. New Zealand wants/needs a trade deal with the EU, so do what it takes to get one…..OH dear possibly too late, because your mouth ran away with you.
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April 16, 2018 8:22am
- alloytoo
  
  Apparently our cracker argument in favour of said trade deal is that “We Really Need it.”
  
  I guess this is how she negotiated with Winston.
  
  Explains a lot.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    JA..negotiating trade deal…lesson 1
    Minor partner….New Zealand
    Here’s what we can offer you
    Major partner……EU
    We already have that
    NZ
    Niche market for your exports, further place in the pacific, relationships with China and South East Asia/Australia. Quality imports of agricultural products and agricultural tech.
    EU
    We’ll think about it.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:45am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  We actually need a fair-trade deal, where the main things that need adressing are not tarrifs, but the quotas they put on every competing import.
  
  Really what we should do is put similar quotas or elsewise tarrifs on their goods (to the value of the quotas) and give that money raised to the companies that would otherwise have sold products in europe, preferably in the form of some sort of research grant or something which incentivizes increased R&D spending, so that they can develop and export better products to compete with their european counterparts better in 3rd party markets….
  
  But untill we show them that we are serious in enforcing our rights to access their markets on fair and equal terms, then they will continue too enforce the present set of anti-competitive protectionist quotas to our disadvantage….
  
  And convincing them will be hard, because Europe is a corrupt, backwards set of collapsing failed states… Italy has had a new government every year since WW2 (more or less) for instance, and their real unemployment is almost 50% (its ~40% from memory), most of europes financial sector is insolvent, and their people and industry crushed under regulations and tax… And their politics works on the basis of corrupted vested interest groups and the like….
  
  Everyone wants a better trade deal, but when the biggest line item on the EU budget is handouts to farmers, and farmers in Greece for instance will block off the motorways if the handouts are reduced (essentially acting like a bunch of thugs) I wouldn’t put my hopes on it…..
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:17pm
- noskire
  
  JA: We would accept a trade deal.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:25pm
waikatogirl

As proof of the fanatics climate change religious can cause, overnight a supporter of climate change has doused himself with hated fossil fuels and set himself alight.

“Leading LGBT+ rights lawyer David Buckel dies after setting himself on fire in protest in Brooklyn park”.

Seriously warped. ?
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April 16, 2018 8:23am
- Sideoiler
  
  “Leading LGBT+ rights lawyer David Buckel dies after setting himself on fire in protest in Brooklyn park”.
  
  I wonder if it will start a trend, like tide pods and condom snorting?
  We live in hope.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Buckle left a hand-written note stating that his act of self-immolation was a protest against ecological destruction by fossil fuels.
  
  I trust that he used grain alcohol or other non-fossil-fuel agent to be consistent with his argument.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I had an activist lawyer friend who disappeared a few years ago off the South Wellington Coast.
  We searched for him/his body for months.
  It took me at least a month to twig that he must have committed suicide.
  
  Looks like this NY Lawyer got infected with the same insidious zeal.
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/14/green-activist-lawyer-burns-himself-to-death-to-protest-global-warming/
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, do tragedies like this bring forth mirth inside of you?
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:07pm
    - simpleton1
      
      And ST Albans will ring out with a babble on Sunday May 6th but what tongue will the reader speak out in? Was the reader baptized and received the Holy Spirit? and come to know the “son of God”?
      Act 10 44-48
      Sigh
      
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      April 16, 2018 3:16pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Jesus SB, what a moronic thing to say to Maggy!
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:24pm
      - calendar girl
        
        He’s getting ready to start stalking again.
        
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        April 16, 2018 7:36pm
    - holysheet
      
      And you got the cheek to call yourself a christian. If thats the best christians can come up with, then I am pleased I am not one. Shove your holier than thou crap up your arse.
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:36pm
    - pentwig
      
      you disgusting moron daffyboy!
      shame on you.
      
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      April 16, 2018 7:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I have just read your comment stephieboy.
      
      I presume you have never lost a loved one.
      I presume you’ve never lived with or cared for someone suffering mental illness.
      
      Why on earth do you think anyone would be laughing/having fun as they searched the cliffs above Red Rocks-Sinclair Head looking for a close friend?
      
      No, tragedies like suicide do not fill me with mirth. They make me grateful every day that I have never suffered depression like my mother did before she shot herself.
      Tragedies like the one experienced by Robert’s family make me grateful every day that I have friends and family to love and care for.
      
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      April 16, 2018 7:49pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Another SB apology in 5.4..3..2..1
        
        Every time SB opens his mouth he needs to change feet.
        
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        April 17, 2018 5:27am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Sounds to me like he was very busy campaigning about everything so he could avoid addressing what was really bothering him.
  We live a pretty cool world.
  None of the issues that could use a bit of improvement are worth doing that for.
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:19pm
godruelf

I expect we will see Winnies head above the parapet today. He will be full of bluster over the TVNZ/Spark deal for the broadcast of the Rugby World Cup.
Looking after rural NZ, the technically challenged, and those that don’t want to pay for the full streaming cover of RWC
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April 16, 2018 8:29am
- waikatogirl
  
  TVNZ announced if you wish to watch the RWC games live and advert free you will have to stream it while paying a fee to access (amount to be determined). No doubt the rest can watch RWC/TVNZ self-promotion and adverts interspersed with the delayed game. ?
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:40am
- CHFR1
  
  After their coverage of the Commonwealth Games I am sure the RWC coverage will be first class.
  /sarc
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:45am
  - godruelf
    
    It’s probably easier for them than the games as there is only one event on at a time and it will be a standard feed with only the commentary added in.
    Just hope their app works well with Chromecast
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:02am
  - Harkman
    
    While it is good to have free sports coverage, that was hopeless, how many medals were missed was shocking. In the team sprint triathlon, just as one of our triathletes went to do 1500m run that flashed to four minutes of ads. Now I’m an older hobby jogger and I can still run 4 minutes something for 1500m. So by the time the ad break was over, nobody had a clue what was going on. TVNZ simply doesn’t have enough channels to host the Olympics or Commonwealth games properly.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:34am
    - Prince
      
      It wasn’t free. Taxpayers paid for it. I agree it was rubbish.
      
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      April 16, 2018 10:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So if they knew their coverage was crap, why didn’t they change it, instead of just carrying on.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:49am
  - Happychappy
    
    I dislike sky and their principals but for the sake of sport TV One will have to get better and hire top sports announcers as their games coverage was second rate.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:08am
- VicParking
  
  Red Radio quoted an txt/email from a listener who said that if Spark are as bad as when they installed fibre into his business it will be a failure. All laughed. Fact Check: Spark does not lay or install fibre anywhere. It’s independentily contracted out to various companies, and I must admit some are bad. No more Sparks fault than Vodafone or 2degrees.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    My Spark created contract via a local fibre installer was excellent from start to finish, and I have does this in two houses both time first class.
    And a call from Spark afterwards asking were we satisfied with the service.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:55am
Spam

Jacinda tells us that the decision to cease oil and gas exploration was signalled, but trying to read these “signals” is very confusing and creating a lot of uncertainty.

On the way to the airport, she passed by a charter school, and refused to stop and go in. Hardly surprising, but a clear signal that charter schools are for the chop.

At the airport gift shop, Jacinda looked at a small metal trinket, but put it down and instead chose a wooden statue. The Steel industry is very concerned that she has just signalled that steel production will be halted.

When ordering her coffee, she declined the chocolate fish from the barista. The food industry is now worried that this signals that a sugar tax is coming.

Speaking of coffee, she had her coffee black, which sent shivers through the dairy industry, but they’re now very, very confused because she later had a piece of cheese.
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April 16, 2018 8:30am
- Nookin
  
  Signalling is one thing. Summary curtailment without prior notice, let alone consultation is some else altogether. The sheer bloody arrogance of the way that they went about this is mind-boggling. Spam’s hypothetical examples of signalling are spot on. Ardern is smitten with the look-at-me mentality. Ideological grandstanding on a student campus is one thing. Doing it in the real world, one which she has yet to enter, is altogether different.
  
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  April 16, 2018 10:37am
MT_Tinman

An open letter to the Queen of NZ.

G’day Liz

It has come to my attention that you are going to be subjected to a middleaged harridan with a speech impediment.

Don’t be fooled by the op-shop clothing; This is, believe it or not an elected NZ politician and, accidentally, currently the PM of NZ.

You’ve probably forgotten Liz but you are still the Queen of New Zealand.

Liz I know it’s not my place to tell you what to do but I do remind you of the actions of your namesake and predecessor when dealing with undesirables such as the badly dressed one.

By predecessor I refer, of course to QE1.

Liz, the Empire expects you to do your duty to them.

In this case by making full use of The Tower and the royal Headsman.

Yours, in gratitude

MT-Tinman.
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April 16, 2018 8:35am
- MCos
  
  Her secretary probably doesn’t pass on notes from characters from the Wizard of Oz about NZ.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:51am
  - itstricky
    
    I wonder if he is still a friend of Dorothy’s?
    
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    April 16, 2018 12:47pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Liz is quite used to dealing with leaders she is not impressed with. Apparently, she planned to hit Idi Amin with an umbrella if he became aggressive during a visit to Buck House.
  
  Jaqui Kennedy embarrassed the young queen by inappropriate comments at a party that got back to her about Liz being middle-aged and Buck House furnishings being very ordinary. Liz sorted Jaqui out by inviting her to tea. Instead of holding it at Buck House she was asked to come to Windsor Castle. On her arrival the Horse Guards on their mounts in full regalia paraded past as she stood alone watching them. The castle doors were opened and she had to walk up the ancient flight of stone stairs lined on both sides with more soldiers in full regalia watching her. Very intimidating and just the sort of history the Yanks don’t have. (The Crown)
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:58am
- Harkman
  
  Our pregnant, unmarried PM turns up to meet the Queen. I wonder what she thinks?
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Our Queen has had many years of experience at dealing with many recalcitrant women.
    She is a professional and brilliant at it.
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:58am
    - Flash
      
      And I am sure she will keep her thoughts well disguised but I don’t think that there will be an invitation to stay at the Palace for the weekend.
      
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      April 16, 2018 1:45pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        but I don’t think.
        
        At last, you admitted the obvious .
        
        I am still waiting for your answer to the question I asked below.
        
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        April 16, 2018 3:41pm
      - RF
        
        Que Sera Sera
        
        Have you appointed yourself as KBs witch smeller and champion for the Commie Chick.
        
        Maybe you would be better off over at Standard where there is a plethora of witches and sycophants.
        
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        April 16, 2018 4:29pm
  - Komata
    
    Harkman
    
    Isn’t it very evident that she didn’t?
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:04am
    - RF
      
      She would have been pre warned that there is a colonial skank in town.
      
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      April 16, 2018 12:30pm
  - Que Sera Sera
    
    Thank Christ not every person has their head buried in the sand like you.
    Unmarried, no doubt, but society has moved on, but not you it seems.
    
    As for being pregnant, I am sure the Queen will be delighted, she had four children, all the while traveling to different Commonwealth countries.
    No problem for her , so why is it any different for Jacinda ?
    
    You are just taking cheap shots at our PM.
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:04am
    - Paulus
      
      Cheap shots at a cheap middle aged woman is not acceptable you suggest.
      
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      April 16, 2018 11:10am
      - itstricky
        
        Putting words in people’s mouths isn’t.
        
        The Queen has both a son & a daughter who are divorced and remarried (and in fairly controversial fashions). She’s probably more worldly than Harkman.
        
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        April 16, 2018 11:51am
    - Flash
      
      ‘delighted’? I don’t think so.
      Perhaps if she was a well performed thoroughbred, but unmarried women of undistingushed lines breed every day, and nobody much is interested .
      
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      April 16, 2018 1:48pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        That a joke, you seem very interested as do many others with loopy opinions on here.
        
        And maybe you can explain the difference of a man and woman living in a de facto relationship, how it is any different to those same two being married in law ?
        Please explain ?
        
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        April 16, 2018 2:56pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Err, Que sera sera…
        
        the difference is exactly as you pointed out:
        
        one pair is living together and a retrospective “common law” applies to them after 2 years (in NZ).
        
        The other is married IN LAW, with a marriage license and a legal standing.
        
        Bu you know, keep trying.
        
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        April 16, 2018 4:28pm
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      Pharmachick
      Try explaining your version in any court if you are in a dispute over, say property or like wise.
      
      I know that your version would get you no where as they both have legal standing.
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:53pm
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      RF.
      Standard. never heard of it, apart from when fencing.
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:57pm
      - pentwig
        
        Que Sera Sera
        “That a joke, you seem very interested as do many others with loopy opinions on here.”
        so why are you here?
        you are obviously loopy!
        
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        April 16, 2018 7:51pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        Pentwig.
        
        I come on here for a laugh.
        At people like you.
        
        The ones that are always ready to abuse others, that do not agree with you.
        
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        April 16, 2018 8:39pm
Shaun the Sheep

What a pity the Law Society doesn’t have a committee to investigate inappropriate actions by judges – some of which have cost lives, and many of which have brought the judiciary into disrepute.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12033026

All power to your voice Catriona McLennan
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April 16, 2018 8:45am
- Nookin
  
  The law society has no jurisdiction over judges There is a statutory body for that. The standards committee is probably acting on a complaint (rather than of its own volition) and is obliged to investigate. Mr Tompkins seems to be a bit premature IMHO. The committee has not given any indication of its thinking.
  For my part, being of conservative bent, intemperate demands for a judge to be sacked is not the way to go about things. Demanding the dismissal of a committee performing a statutory function is even more counter-productive. That committee may well agree with her sentiments but not the manner of delivery.
  
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  April 16, 2018 10:57am
  - fernglas
    
    Chuck Bird seems to think he was the complainer.
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:18am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I was the complainer. The NZLS did not initially read my complaint thoroughly. They asked me for the link to the Herald article which I had included. They then sent me the man hater’s lawyer’s response.
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:55pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    My point, clumsily made, is that we have so little say in what we expect from judges.
    People have been killed by murderous thugs on bail.
    Criminals have received ridiculous sentences because they are sportspeople or entertainers.
    Just recently a feral who bashed his baby son got home detention and KBers had plenty of advice for the judge.
    The case McLennan spoke of is another domestic abuse seemingly without penalty.
    Victims need the courts to protect them a great deal more than they do and it’s time these slack judges are identified and given the arse card.
    
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    April 16, 2018 4:30pm
MCos

I watched a reasonable amount of the Commonwealth Games on TV over the last wee while, which due to the ham fisted effort by TVNZ was frustrating at times. However all that was forgotten when Kelly Brazier ran eighty metres with three Aussies breathing down her neck to win the sevens.
First the sisters then the misters!
In both games opponents were chased down to prevent certain tries. No sitting in the sheds wondering ‘what if?’ for them!
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April 16, 2018 8:47am
- Happychappy
  
  Jesus MCos I never realized you could be so positive which is a change from the constant negatives you usually post. Maybe you should ask your doctor to keep you on this medication permanently.
  
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  April 16, 2018 10:19am
Monique Watson

The Herald is rubbish today and has it’s mucky face in the gutter. Nothing substantial! Jeeze if I didn’t know where to go to in the way of news sites and search tools, I’d be slapping myself upside the chin.
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April 16, 2018 8:51am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t read the expensive cat litter version but if the online version is to go by you are right on button. Utter crap.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:37am
  - itstricky
    
    Utter crap.
    
    Too true. I’d rather read the hilarious fake letters to The Queen from friends of Dorothy, that get posted here.
    
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    April 16, 2018 12:45pm
niggly

I see the Green’s Golriz Ghahraman was doing what she is an expert at, over the weekend, which is defending genocide deniers.

Unbelievable! You’d think just once, she could put aside her hatred for the West and the USA, and concentrate on the fact that Assad does have a chemical weapons regime (as evidenced by barrel-bombs) which is outlawed by international conventions and kills people in the most hideous ways?

I guess not, once a genocide denier, always a genocide denier, is “our” Golriz. And the Green Party cannot see the problem.

(I’m not getting into the they did/they didn’t drop the latest chemical weapon debate, just stating that the Syrians have the means to research and produce such weapons if they have to).

PS – Golriz has her own Google search results – “golriz ghahraman genocide” – I’d normally like to say bwahahaha to things like that but in this instance it’s probably not appropriate. How about then, how sad it is that history will always remember that the Green Party of NZ has an MP that is a genocide denier in its ranks and does nothing about it. She hasn’t even apologised FFS!
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April 16, 2018 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  All sides have used chemical weapons in Syria.
  
  Where is the proof that Assad used them on this occasion ?
  
  Why did the west bomb before the inspectors got there.
  
  Don’t talk about the rule of law , when western leaders flout it at any excuse.
  
  There’s a much bigger game being played here than punish the dictator . The west wants regime change and has been happy for hundreds of thousands to die , millions to be displaced, Europe to be invaded , all for Assad off his throne and to keep the Russians from having a Mediteranean base ? And what happens if Assad is gone ? A Sunni jihadi shithole.
  
  Trump, May and Macron are mad.
  
  Look what the same govt’s did to Libya and the consequences of that scam , lie based intervention. These politicians are war criminals hiding behind humnitarian excuses.
  
  Trump’s base don’t want or need a Syrian intervention.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:16am
  - niggly
    
    Please read the bit I put in brackets – the post was about Golriz Ghahraman the genocide denier, at it again!
    
    I bet she’s pissed she couldn’t make it to Winnie Mandella’s funeral!
    
    I know, perhaps she can accompany Foreign Minister Winston Peters to North Korea (if he has to travel there for talks) and get a selfie with Kim Jong-un for her collection!!!
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:32am
    - niggly
      
      Ooops I meant genocide defender, not genocide denier, in my posts. My bad!
      
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      April 16, 2018 9:45am
- Paulus
  
  She is a Green MP and they do not apologies for anything.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:59am
- Flash
  
  Does anyone remember David Frost, and other interviewers of Tv fame? Their interviews were probing and challenging. They would make mince meat of todays politicians who are dissembling at every turn.
  If we had a decent interview programme, I might be tempted to turn on my TV, in stead of just dusting it.
  
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  April 16, 2018 1:52pm
Surely Knott

Barry Soper complaining for a second day about the Americans for his inability to travel and report on Arderns trip. Should read, Barry Soper fails to apply for visa 72 hours in advance as required. “All travellers touching down on American soil are required to fill out the form at least 72 hours prior to departure ” Barry didn’t. He filled it out at the airport just before boarding.
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April 16, 2018 9:03am
- VicParking
  
  He was under The belief that its different if your born in Gore and where Journalist of the Year eighteen years ago.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:10am
VicParking

Red Radio is pulling up every lefty anti Trump commentator they can find to criticise the missile strike in Syria. It seems however that the only thing they can find is that POTUS said “Mission Accomplished”. TVNZ had a BBC interview with a Syrian Scientist who said the site was used for medical research only and then bent down to pick up a package of medical pills. The only pit of paper with 100 metres in any direction that was not burnt to a cinder.
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April 16, 2018 9:04am
waikatogirl

Hundreds are expected to march in the street for the rescue helicopter in the Taupo area which has been left out of this years tendering process and won’t be able to continue its vital work. Waikato or Napier based rescue choppers would be expected to cover the area but it would add an extra 45 minutes on the arrival time. Working in the Central North Island mountains means the weather can change in minutes. The first rescue helicopter began working in this region.
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April 16, 2018 9:13am
- Poppa
  
  Do we know why this is?
  
  I have heard other rescue choppers may also be left out, but have no idea why this is
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:29am
  - waikatogirl
    
    No rescue chopper out of Rotorua either. With all the outdoor tourism, and difficult terrain and weather conditions in these areas, the decision is nuts.
    
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    April 16, 2018 11:18am
    - calendar girl
      
      No Rothmans’ sponsorship of rescue helicopters allowed in these ‘enlightened’ times?
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:02pm
- VicParking
  
  Maybe they can ring up Ronair for help. This decision was made by $150k bureaucrats from Wellington no doubt with no idea of the real world.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:41am
- kevn
  
  @WG… Might take an accident in the Rotorua/Taupo region of a high profile NZer (not a pleb or a pollie) to get it back on track.
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:01pm
Manolo

The barbarians want power to send Europe back to the Dark Ages.
Will it be stephieboy’s wet dream?
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/04/islam-party-in-belgium-wants-to-create-an-islamic-state-and-separate-men-and-women/

For the second time in 6 years the ‘Islam’ party will participate in Belgium’s municipal elections. The party wants to create an Islamic State and separate men and women in public transport, Belgian newspaper HLN reports.

“Our goal is a 100% Islamic State, but we don’t mean we want to oblige the headscarf,” the party’s founder Redouane Ahrouch says. “By establishing Sharia law we want to follow the way of the prophet and the Quran”, he adds.
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April 16, 2018 9:27am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Give the Islam Party its due: it is sincere and truthful about what it intends to do if it were to get into power.
  My point is that the Islam Party may be more transparent than some “locally grown” ones.
  
  Did the NZ parties announce to the Auckland public a generation ago that they intended to radically and permanently change the social fabric?*
  
  *Note: I am not judging whether the decision to ethnically transform Auckland was a good or bad thing (I have personally benefited from it).
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:50am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    I agree. And in more than ethnicity.
    
    The Islam Party is doing what many want – to make life/society predictable once more, based on ‘acceptable’ values.
    
    What’s wrong with every power group of every type is that they only see the ‘good’ outcomes of their philosophy. They are in denial that some human beings exist to corrupt every system and call/think themselves ‘clever’ for doing it whether through extremism or watering it down – so every system becomes abusive to many.
    
    We’ve never had such proliferating law – and such extensive means to abuse it or just ignore it, from the ‘man in the street’ to world leaders. We’re already living in anarchy and/or with the typical local ‘barons’ controlling their own fiefdoms, at various levels, all with irreconcilable differences and tensions – and a large bloc playing one against the other in the middle for their own profit.
    
    A lot of them believe themselves completely ‘sincere’. It’s their ‘sincerity’ – and the corollary that it makes their actions ‘justifiable’ – that is the biggest problem.
    
    The only possible outcome is a removal of a lot of the world population, back to a simpler equation, whether by one dominant group or mutual obliteration.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:31am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Anne,
      
      “The only possible outcome is a removal of a lot of the world population, back to a simpler equation, whether by one dominant group or mutual obliteration.”
      
      Be careful what you wish for…
      
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      April 16, 2018 10:50am
      - JasonJohns
        
        ‘The only possible outcome is a removal of a lot of the world population’
        
        Hitler tried that.
        
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        April 16, 2018 11:05am
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        Why on earth would you assume I’m wishing for it? None of it is my idea. I think we’ve returned to sub-neanderthal status, both in reason and barbarity.
        
        The world comprises ‘sincere’ groups, from the individual to the global, who all hold mutually exclusive goals – and they’re progressively polarising and extremist, determined to eradicate the opposition, whether physically or mentally/spiritually.
        
        Do you see any other possibility? What would it be?
        
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        April 16, 2018 11:05am
    - KevOB
      
      The race to automation too, discarding people from work, asks the question what do we do with the left overs?
      
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      April 16, 2018 11:35am
      - fernglas
        
        Freedom from the tyranny of work has always been a utopian dream; now it has become possible we need to train people in how to enjoy it. The main reason people embrace traditional paid work is because it gives some meaning to their days. Teach people to use their time properly and they won’t have to worry about not working.
        
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        April 16, 2018 12:08pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        fernglas, training people to ‘enjoy’ life without work is completely futile.
        
        I could say, and it would be true, that as long as someone believes they’re superior to anyone else, and therefore deserves ‘relatively’ more of everything, non-work is not going to happen. They can only thrive from using the work of others – they are not going to lie down and say ‘enjoy’ to others.
        
        But apart from that and other like concepts, if you look at the species, and its unique ability in the animal kingdom to conceptualise/think abstractly (and therefore dwell on ‘themselves’ existentially), every human being requires ‘meaning’, if only to justify the intensity of their own experience. Such meaning derives primarily from struggle and self-pity.
        
        Where animals can suffer the highs of success and the ‘slings and arrows’ of life, and just get on with living sustainably in the natural order, the human species will not. It has to ‘fix’ things – each trying to ensure that they do not have to suffer the ‘slings and arrows’ and/or that someone else doesn’t, based on their own ‘meaning’. They’re incapable of ‘enjoying life’, primarily because they won’t accept death.
        
        Since we have a massive industry trying to ‘defeat’ death, and a consequent burgeoning and unsustainable population, it’s become one long suffering of ‘every man for himself’ in any way that suits. What would we all do if we didn’t have ’causes’ or ‘charity’ or ‘victims’?
        
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        April 16, 2018 12:50pm
      - MH
        
        idol hands idle away
        
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        April 16, 2018 3:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Well then why don’t they “follow their prophet and Quran” back where they came from?
  We all know what would happen if Christians or atheists or any other group tried to impose their beliefs on the government in THEIR countries!
  
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  April 16, 2018 10:39am
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In case you missed this Saturday …

Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/lessons_to_learn_from_ireland.html/comment-page-1#comment-2186750 (do read the main Kiwiblog article on Ireland as well)

… NEW ZEALAND: HOUSING MINISTER PHIL TWYFORD’S UNNECESSARY AND DAMAGING CONFUSION …

… FOCUS ON THE FRINGES … AND THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF …

… Do watch IN FULL this superb interview of New Zealand Housing Minister Phil Twyford by Newstalk ZB Christchurch’s Chris Lynch yesterday (Friday) … where still … sadly … the Minister is failing to FOCUS ON THE FRINGES … so ALL FORMS of development become increasingly affordable … ESSENTIAL VIEWING …

https://www.facebook.com/chrislynchzb/videos/1768362633223469/

… National Opposition Housing Spokesperson Judith Collins outlines what Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern REALLY THINKS of the Unitec development debacle …

Governments backflipping worthy of gold – Judith Collins – NZ National Party

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1804/S00123/government-back-flipping-worthy-of-gold.htm

The Prime Minister and her Housing Minister have been left red-faced and scrambling to explain critical statements Ms Ardern made when in Opposition about plans to build thousands of houses on the Unitec Site in Auckland.

“When reminded of Jacinda Ardern’s statements last year criticising the suitability of the Unitec Site for the then planned 2,600 dwellings, Phil Twyford could not address the concerns raised by his boss. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… LABOUR’S AUTHENTIC GREATS (who really did give a toss about the poor and disadvantaged) Michael Joseph Savage and John A Lee, will be turning in their graves in horror at Ardern’s and Twyford’s grossly expensive dense developments … shockingly … repeating the mistakes of the British …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4

…. as the ‘costs out of control’ bureaucrats at central and local level are still running things to suit themselves (bugger those who pay their wages … and … the wider public interest) … little wonder Housing Minister Phil Twyford is talking nonsense … with only gentle questioning from the Oppositions Judith Collins and Gerry Brownlee …

National’s Judith Collins says the likely small size of the dwellings in the new Unitec development housing area will put pressure on borrowers, as it means banks will require a larger deposit | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/93052/national%E2%80%99s-judith-collins-says-likely-small-size-dwellings-new-unitec-development
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … while the governments dreadful dense development drivel gets slammed … left, right and centre … led by the Ministers own officials …
  
  MBIE says Kiwibuild may be unaffordable for buyers | Kiwiblog
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/02/mbie_says_kiwibuild_may_be_unaffordable_for_buyers.html
  
  KiwiBuild – otherwise known as “pulling numbers out of your arse” | Infometrics
  
  http://www.infometrics.co.nz/kiwibuild-otherwise-known-pulling-numbers-arse/
  
  Rodney Dickens says section prices are the key to solving the housing affordability problem, not higher density around transport hubs. He warns against force-feeding in areas that won’t deliver the intended outcome … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/92556/rodney-dickens-says-section-prices-are-key-solving-housing-affordability-problem-not
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  … While we are waiting (patiently after 13+ years … since the release of the 1st Demographia Survey early 2005 … http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm ) for progress on REAL issues so that REAL houses can be built for REAL people …
  
  Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
  
  … extract …
  
  Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
  
  Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
  
  JUST TWO QUESTIONS …
  
  1. When are the Auckland Urban Limits to be abolished ?
  
  2. When is bond financing of infrastructure to be introduced nationally ?
  
  Read Ardern / Twyford Section
  http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
  
  … Distribute & discuss … thank you …
  
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  April 16, 2018 10:11am
  - Happychappy
    
    Who runs the housing policy for Labour Hugh, yourself or Phil Twyford.
    
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    April 16, 2018 10:32am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      … Aussie update …
      
      ABC The Business does the building housing bust – MacroBusiness
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/04/abc-business-building-housing-bust/
      
      ANZ joins mortgage standards crunch – MacroBusiness (behind paywall) …
      
      Via the AFR:
      
      The nation’s third-largest residential property lender is warning brokers that their future mortgage recommendations will need to satisfy strict new internal guidelines and ‘external’ scrutiny, a reference to regulatory or possibly legal action.
      
      “We recognise the need for trust in brokers and look forward to public policy discussions about measures that will help them to deserve the trust,” the bank states in a confidential email setting out tough new lending guidelines.
      
      But angry brokers claim they are being used as a “human shield” and “seriously” fear they are suffering reputational damage to divert attention away from allegations about banks’ “systemic issues, stifling of competition and massive community trust deficits”, according to Mark Felton, chief executive of the Mortgage and Finance Association of Australia. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      EARLIER AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION REPORTS …
      
      Early March: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/
      
      ABC The Business 29 Mar 2018 On Mortgage Brokers
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrY3NUhYrXA
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      The Urban Containment Effects (Zoning Effects) On Australian House Prices (RBA Report) … Wendell Cox … New Geography
      
      http://www.newgeography.com/content/005921-the-urban-containment-effect-zoning-effect-australian-house-prices
      
      … extract …
      
      • In Sydney, the urban containment effect adds $489,000 to the house price making the annual mortgage payments $29,000 higher. Figure 4 shows the components of the average house price in Sydney.
      
      • In Melbourne, the urban containment effect adds $324,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $19,000 higher.
      
      • In Brisbane, the urban containment effect adds $159,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $9,000 higher.
      
      • In Perth, the urban containment effect adds $206,000 to the house price, making the annual mortgage payments $12,000 higher.
      
      • No data is available for Adelaide, but the present median multiple (median house price divided by median household income) suggests that urban containment effect adds at least $13,000 to the mortgage. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Data shows a huge underlying problem for Australian house hunters: land prices have been soaring | Business Insider
      
      https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-housing-affordability-new-land-price-population-growth-2018-4
      
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      April 16, 2018 10:57am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        As Government signals big light rail spend, public transport concerns grow in US … Michael Daly … Stuff / Fairfax New Zealand
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102928780/as-government-signals-big-light-rail-spend-public-transport-concerns-grow-in-us
        
        As the Government signals it wants to spend billions on light rail in Auckland and billions less on major roading projects in the decade ahead, worries about the future of public transport are growing in the US.
        
        Those concerns were summed up by a story in The Washington Post last month, headlined Falling transit ridership poses an ’emergency’ for cities, experts fear.
        
        The article was based on a report from New York-based public transport advocacy group TransitCenter, using data from the US Department of Transportation’s National Transit Database.
        
        “Researchers concluded factors such as lower fuel costs, increased teleworking, higher car ownership and the rise of alternatives such as Uber and Lyft are pulling people off trains and buses at record levels,” the article said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        Sydney light rail contractor Acciona suing NSW Government; further delays to construction likely – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-07/light-rail-contractor-sues-nsw-government/9629948
        
        The firm building Sydney’s light rail is taking the NSW Government to court, claiming it is owed more than $1 billion extra, prompting Labor to call the project a “total embarrassment” for Premier Gladys Berejiklian …
        
        … But the Opposition said the 24-kilometre line from the CBD to the eastern suburbs could now become the world’s most costly light rail project.
        
        “It started at $1.6 billion, now it’s up to $3 billion perhaps,” Opposition Leader Luke Foley said.
        
        “If the Government had done its homework there would be no dispute.”
        
        Deputy NSW Labor Leader and Opposition spokesman for planning and infrastructure Michael Daley said this was the worst project he has seen in his 20 years of public life. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … Are New Zealand politicians better project managers ? … really ? ….
        
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      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The Minister of Transport Phil Twyford says there is a “great deal of interest” from private capital providers when it comes to investing in New Zealand’s transport infrastructure – he is welcoming their interest | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/93209/minister-transport-phil-twyford-says-there-%E2%80%9Cgreat-deal-interest%E2%80%9D-private-capital
        
        Minister of Transport Phil Twyford has sent a clear message to would-be investors in New Zealand’s transport infrastructure – “the Government is open for business.”
        
        He is sending Associate Transport Minister Shane Jones on a fact-finding mission to Australia tomorrow to investigate the best ways investors can work with the Government on public-private partnerships (PPP).
        
        “The message from our Government is we’re open for business,” Twyford said after addressing a business and local Government summit on the “changing direction in transport for New Zealand.” … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 16, 2018 2:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      Electronic collection of tolls is taking delays and queues out of toll roads and bridges.
      
      The Green-Labour coalition may have this in mind.
      
      The motorist-hating Greens won’t toll cyclists on their new bike ways.
      
      Toll roads by private-public partnerships will push up the cost of delivering goods around the country. There will be inflation.
      
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      April 16, 2018 2:48pm
- KevOB
  
  Hugh you seem to be appreciating common sense. We agree this present Labour lot are thoroughly incompetent.
  
  I don’t care who is government so long as they are capable and have integrity and honesty.
  
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  April 16, 2018 11:38am
BeaB

Radio NZ lost the plot this morning and became a sports channel.
I’d love a story about ‘generational change’ that looks at the geriatric line-up propping up Ardern – Winston Peters, Helen Clark, Michael Cullen, Heather Simpson, Margaret Wilson, Annette King.
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April 16, 2018 10:37am
EAD_TWO

Putin was right all along:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FrexB/status/985212620306354176
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April 16, 2018 10:42am
JasonJohns

There are powerful forces, sinister forces, monitoring kiwiblog. did anyone else spot the trick they played on david garrett yesterday?
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April 16, 2018 11:03am
- pentwig
  
  i didn’t.
  explain it to me.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:10pm
JasonJohns

‘The only possible outcome is a removal of a lot of the world population’

Hitler tried that.
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April 16, 2018 11:07am
Nookin

RIP Ivan Mauger. It’s time for reflection when the heroes of your teenage years pass on. Fergie last week. Now Mauger. He was a star.
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April 16, 2018 11:11am
- MT_Tinman
  
  A great man.
  
  I met him a couple of times when he was riding in both England and New Zealand (on special occasions).
  
  From memory (rather shaky nowdays) he had just beaten Brigg’s record of four championships at the time.
  
  A bloody good bloke.
  
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  April 16, 2018 11:35am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I was fortunate to see Mauger ride a couple of times in the early 1970’s, when he was World Champion, and at the very top of the sport. Unfortunately for him, the “bogan” image that speedway enjoyed at the time (and still does today, although to a lesser extent) meant his achievements were underrated by the New Zealand sporting media.
  
  He was an absolute magician on his bike, and it was easy to see why he was so well regarded by those who knew the sport. Sincere condolences to his family, and to his many speedway friends all around the world.
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  One of the greats of NZ motorsport. RIP.
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:25pm
JasonJohns

It’s 50 years since Enoch Powell made his immortal ‘rivers of blood’ speech in Britain. The context for the speech was the thousands of Asians who were pouring into the UK from Africa. In Kenya the African government had decided to Africanise and force out Indians and others who had lived there…and these Indians and other Asians started to go to Britain. They had British passports from the old days when India etc were part of the empire. they were using this loophole to get in. Enoch Powell ran a strong campaign to keep the Asian refugees from Kenya out. He also staunchly defended the UK from the Indians who tried to wash up there a few years later after Idi Amin turned against them. Powell’s argument was simple – yes, it’s sad that you are being forced out by an African government, but no, you cannot be allowed into a white nation.
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April 16, 2018 11:11am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Much of what was said, about rivers of blood, and being burdens on society, and being the white man that will be forced to adapt and assimilate has come to fruition, why all across europe in Denmark for instance schools no longer serve danish meatballs because ‘muslims find it offensive’.
  
  In NZ we are constantly reminded not to do this, or do that, in our own country, for fear of offending some foreigner. Go down at look at any WINZ office, look at any state housing suburb, or in any school, full to the chops with foreigners. And who is paying, the original peoples, the NZer, or the Australian…
  
  I wrote yetsterday on this blog, that since the original inhabitants of this country, the White European Colonialists that literally Built and Founded This Country do not have enough children to replace them and therefore have a declining population that;
  
  All the New Schools, Hospitals, Roads and the like that we pay for in our taxes are not for us, they are for these new people, because when you have a declining population you don’t need more Schools, more Hospitals, more Roads, you don’t have a housing crises or any other over population crisis for that matter!
  
  And you can go to any school, any state housing suburb, any WINZ office or any prison, look at any person on some sort of state assistance and 9 times out of 10 its one of these low-skilled, low-wage immigrants whom come from some poor country, and frankly this is where all our taxes come from….
  
  Now this isn’t racist, or offensive or anything, it is a fact, and facts are not right, they are not left, they are not wrong, they are factual. And anyone who has a problem with facts, has a problem with their opinions, has a problem with their ideology, and that problem is that they only dislike the facts, because the facts show that they are wrong in their opinions and politics….
  
  Freedom of thought, freedom of speeach, freedom of association, and freedom of freedom never hurt anyone! But I am sure some snow flake will take offense to pointing out that the vast majority of taxes goes not to ‘our community’ or ‘our children’ but to someone elses community…
  
  And they will say “you can’t say these facts, because if people hear this and use ‘brain-think’ they might decide that they don’t want this mass immigration, and these high-taxes and this burdensome regulation, and even god-forbid, even these useless politicians we keep arround for god knows what?”.
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:37pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    ‘the original inhabitants of this country, the White European’
    
    Thankyou for affirming that an ancient white civilisation flourished here thousands of years ago. Unfortunately the truth about our white ancestors is hidden by a PC conspiracy. And we even have people desecrating with graffitti the 5,000 year old Bombay Obelisk, the ancient sacred monument of white NZ
    
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    April 16, 2018 1:04pm
    - stephieboy
      
      JasonJohns, your voices getting to you?
      
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      April 16, 2018 1:40pm
      - pentwig
        
        are yours sillyboy?
        
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        April 16, 2018 8:13pm
Monique Watson

Ivan Mauger has died. He was a super-achiever and it’s with sadness we witness his passing.
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April 16, 2018 11:12am
JasonJohns

I think nearly everyone at Kiwiblog will say ‘amen’ to these words of wisdom by Enoch Powell

‘Why?’ the people used to ask me, ‘is the Government bringing these dark-skinned people into our country in ever-growing numbers? And where is it all to end?’ I tried to explain that the law of England could not distinguish between one British subject and another and that therefore the inhabitants of darker, lower nations India, Africa and the West Indies were all the same in law as the inhabitants of Wolverhampton.

Racial equality was a fiction, perhaps a romantic fiction, but one which could only be maintained if no practical effect was given to it. Year after year, in government and out of it, I begged colleagues to bring the law into line with reality, to keep those of brown and black skin away from the white; but the majority of Ministers and Members had no personal knowledge of what was happening in a few concentrated areas.’
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April 16, 2018 11:42am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  People would say that is racism, but what about the racism of taking the so called (and I don’t think we are getting much of it however) ‘very best’ from each and every one of these impoversihed countries so desperate for decent Human Resources to develop?
  
  Too take their best and brightest (those with a chance of turning their countries arround), for those people whom make something of themselves to cash out as soon as they can? How is a country supposed to develop economically if anyone that gets ahead or anyone worth anything is brought over to another country?
  
  What about the racism in that such a policy effectively arrests the development of 99.99999% of the developed world, or quotas that prevent the importation of refined products like refined sugar, so that these countries cant process their own raw materials, keep a larger share of the value chain, and develop economically??
  
  Or the manner that we ended colonialism which caused civil wars, unrest, dictatorships, the aid we send which goes straight into the pockets of dictators and our various medlings and interfences thereafter in their internal affairs?
  
  Doesn’t fit the left’s feel-good anti-racism mantra does it… I personally blame the left for the sorry state not just of what they did to europe, but what they did and continue to do to Sub-Saharan Africa…
  
  But I guess it is ok if you are an asian, for some reason the asians actually had development assistance, foreign investment and the like…. We only want the raw materials from africa, not interested in the people at all…..
  
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  April 16, 2018 12:57pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    ‘People would say that is racism’
    
    Racism is one of those PC words that are used to discredit people like Enoch Powell and Ian Smith.
    Powell simply believed that white and black skinned peoples should be kept apart because they had different innate aptitudes and roles.
    
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    April 16, 2018 1:06pm
    - stephieboy
      
      JasonJohns , and blacks were inferior to Whites.
      
      Right ?
      
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      April 16, 2018 1:42pm
    - GoVege
      
      “Different innate aptitudes and roles”?
      What bullsh*t.
      The only thing wrong with “darker..nations” are their sexism and other unfortunate features of their cultures.
      Once they get to the West, most make the effort to assimilate and adopt the customs and attitudes of their hosts.
      (Except when too many immigrate at once.)
      The only exception are Muslims who follow a warlike prophet and should be carefully vetted to ensure they do not support Sharia law.
      The values of Muslims who follow Sharia law are totally incompatible with democracy.
      
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      April 16, 2018 2:28pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        GoVege I advise you to reconsider your opinion for it is factually incorrect, you maintain that these foreigners are fine, that they are integrating and living a New Zealand lifestyle, and whilst that may be true for many of the very small minority of foreigners that arrive in this country already wealthy, or descendent from wealthy foreigners, for many of the foreign migrants that is far from the case….
        
        Many of the foreign migrants, and that is if they have the decency to work at all (certain groups in the past which shall go unmentioned have not) end-up working in low-skilled low-paid jobs such as taxi/courier driver, dairy owner, road builder, chef, retail, hospitality, call-center worker, cleaner etc..etc….
        
        And these are not jobs which pay enough to live a NZ lifestyle in this country, subsequently you do not see many of the indigenous colonial settlers (or their descendents) that built and founded this country in these types of jobs… And the end result is that these foreigners do not earn enough to support themselves, they can not support their children, so the state (i.e. us, the taxpayers) step in and pay for it all, they pay for the new hospitals and schools and roads that need to be built for these people, they pay for their rent, they give them working for families, they pay for their childrens doctor visits and school education….
        
        And under labour they are going to be building housing just for them, they will sell it to them, but don’t be so foolish as to think they will actually pay much for it, no labour has already announced that they understand many of these houses will be too expensive, and so the state will retain ‘nominal ownership’ of a part of them (and assumably pay the rates, maintainance, insurance and other outgoings), and these people can pay whatever it is they can ‘afford’, kind of like a state house, but you get to keep it because it is your legal property…..
        
        And when you look at the housing estates, prisons, schools or a WINZ office they are not NZers their, but foreigners, that is where all our tax money goes. Because foreigners have many more children per women than an actual NZer…
        
        And equally bad is when we get a good one, someone whom is actually worth enough, that they can earn enough to have a decent NZ lifestyle, and those are the ones that assimilate and live like us, but as I just said, those are the people they need back in their country for their own economic development….. So absoloutely it’s good for us, because if we take all their decent people they can’t develop and we don’t need to compete with them…..
        
        But you know what, stealing their best and brightest, the people with the money, skills and knowhow to make economic development in their countries happened, it absoloutely is racist! And frankly I don’t see what islam has to do with that! Were the Hutsis islamic? No, but they still murdered their Tutsi neighbours and friends with Machetees…. Don’t blame islam for all the problems in the world, and ignore things like the Tutsi Genocide….
        
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        April 16, 2018 4:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        Holly: if immigrants were filling our jails, I think we’d hear about it.
        From what I hear and read, it is our native indigenous population filling our prisons.
        (They also have the biggest families, which has a lot to do with their kids turning to crime.)
        I talk to immigrants in dairies, small businesses, service stations and fast food joints.
        With rare exception I find them friendly and keen to learn and better themselves.
        Most only have two children, and the older ones often tell me how their kids are going to university.
        They work incredibly hard, often for low wages, and are targeted by the kids of lazy bludgers born here who let their numerous neglected kids run wild.
        They are an asset to this country.
        The only ones I DON’T like are the hard-line Muslims who strut around in their medieval costumes with their multiple wives and make no attempt to assimilate.
        We can see from other western nations just how things will pan out in another generation. ..or less.
        
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        April 16, 2018 8:44pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        Whether or not dairy owners and taxi drivers are friendly (news flash, no one in hospitality lasts long if they aren’t) has no bearing over whether or not their incomes are sufficent to meet their own costs, and that of their children, newsflash ‘dairy-owner’ doesn’t pay very well, it’s why they can’t employ ‘other people’…..
        
        Whether they work long hours for little pay, again this isn’t the issue, the issue here is these low-skilled low wage people have nothing to offer the country, actually are a burden on the indigenous colonial taxpayer who has to pay for their shit, and their children, the new roads, schools and hospitals that they will use… This is the issue… Not how much low-paid work they are willing to do, or their supposed work ethic…
        
        I do believe that if they had half the work ethic you say they do, and were half as good as you say they were, they would not be a dairy owner or a taxi driver (they would have something a bit better), plenty of asian immigrants with good IT jobs who contribute as net-TAXPAYERS to our society… And if other people from their country/culture could become high-paid IT workers and contribute to society then so to could they, if they had the work ethic and whatnot that you claim these people have….
        
        Again those people, the high-paid IT workers and the like aren’t a problem, except for the fact that pinching them from their country denies that country the skilled labour they need to develop economically…. Which I repeat again is good for us, it means we don’t have to compete with more developed countries….
        
        Try to stay on topic will you? You are sounding like a typical rabbid leftist, with your circular talking, unrelated and unsubstatiated offshoots, rantings and diversions…
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:11pm
      - GoVege
        
        No need to sling insults around to get your point across, Holly.
        I thought the topic was immigration.
        We are not “stealing” the best and brightest from poor nations.
        Poor nations are poor because of sexism, corruption and class/caste systems.
        They can’t succeed there so they come here.
        Do you really believe that a dairy or small business owner doesn’t work hard?
        It’s not easy to succeed in business unless you work extremely hard.
        These people are very much like the immigrants to the United States about a century ago who worked in sweat shops so the next generation would have the chance of higher education and good careers.
        These are the kind of people we need here.
        
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        April 16, 2018 10:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        BTW Holly, you’d be hard pressed to find an Indian or Asian person taking up a statehouse in this country.
        A lot of Pacific Islanders do, but more of them are buying homes and seeking higher education for their kids.
        It’s a lot easier for them to come here anyway because of the quota system.
        Yes, tribal warfare is very vicious, and people who live in villages and kill animals on a daily basis tend to have less trouble killing their own species.
        But at least we don’t need to worry about Hutus and Tutsis and their ilk moving to the West and murdering hundreds or even thousands of innocent civilians at a time because they hate their values. Or want to impose their own twisted sexist laws on the countries they emigrate to.
        
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        April 16, 2018 11:04pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “Powell simply believed that white and black skinned peoples should be kept apart because they had different innate aptitudes and roles.”
      
      That doesn’t make sense. If people have different innate aptitudes and roles, then all the better that they can work together and learn from each other.
      
      It’s when you keep peoples apart that the human tendency to fear and demonize the unknown grows stronger. Better they learn about each other’s strengths and weaknesses.
      
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      April 16, 2018 3:41pm
      - Holly Roggerz
        
        They were, it was called colonialism, and you know what you are right, look at pre-Mugabe Zimbabwe or South Africa, much higher standard of living than any other sub-saharan african country…
        
        Look at NZ and compare it to say… Papua New Guinea…. Kinda worked, somewhat….
        
        Then they werent, and you had decades of civil war, racial violence and the like, as various factions fought for control of the state, or too settle previous disputes (since european powers enforced peace)… And the dictators, and proxy wars between USSR and USA, etc..etc…
        
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        April 16, 2018 4:35pm
- UpandComer
  
  Stephie don’t worry Jason is on your team. But it’s noticeable the archness of his irony and sarcasm is receding. He might be starting to be ‘got to’ by the facts, the tiniest bit. Powell was prescient. If 1 million little girls in working class old Labour towns raped by immigrant Muslims and a disarmed, cowed, persecuted, ignored, despised, indoctrinated hostage population arrested for pointing out their daughters being raped live is the price of diversity, many would perhaps say, to hell with diversity. Powell was right. The cost of it in England is so dire, and the advantages so fleeting, nebulous and concentrated, that it seems his speech was prescient. Maybe it will be the case he was wrong. Maybe England will start treating rapist dindus like normal not standard citizens. Maybe the other diversity proponents in the ruling class will change years of contempt for the British people. But it’s fairly unlikely.
  
  I must link to the Harvard and Stanford Journals now saying that the science of genetics is going to make the position of the Tabula Rasa individual literally as impossible to hold as Aristotle’s theory of humours within ten years.
  
  All the ‘pro science’ climate change people are responsible for the replicability crisis, and their precious worthless bromides about social science are all going to be rent.
  
  Powell is wrong on an individual level. But he’s right on an aggregate level.
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:41pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephie don’t worry Jason is on your team.
    
    I can imagine Stephieboy and Jason Johns playing beach volleyball together, both awkwardly shuffling their feet, while trying to compete against the opposing team. But they’ve got problems. Their bikinis don’t match. They’re not a coordinated team. And they’re not likely to win any Commonwealth Games medals! 🙂
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:15pm
- Jack5
  
  ~~Kea~~Jason Johns satire in full flow today.
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:43pm
Monique Watson

Oh Theresa May. Is it too much to ask for a woman to back her own decisions? She wants to get the approval of Commons and Boris. At least she doesn’t give a wop about what Corbyn thinks.
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April 16, 2018 11:43am
RF

I felt it my duty to communicate with a former colleague who now works for the BBC, London.

He is now in receipt of a detailed email concerning the commie chick and recent events involving her.

I trust this enlightening information will be dispersed amongst his colleagues. I also enclosed tit bits that for some unknown reason our media ignores.

Don’t worry, I also included lover boys pedigree.
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April 16, 2018 12:40pm
- rangitoto
  
  Send it to the Telegraph and DM as well. The BBC are lefties.
  
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  April 16, 2018 1:02pm
- RF
  
  Well that backfired.
  
  My BBC contact working on his nightshift indicated that he would keep my info on file but did not believe his colleagues would be interested.
  
  I suspect the file is a round metal one under his desk.
  
  Bugger.
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:25pm
  - niggly
    
    Don’t worry, once Jacinda makes a fool of herself or NZ over there, the BBC will be hastily reading the file and put 2 and 2 together!
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:01pm
    - RF
      
      Hope so as I felt I was pissing into a strong wind.
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:36pm
noskire

Watch out dairy farmers, you’re next.
“Urgent action is needed, at a level not previously contemplated.

“We all need to be focused on the transition to a net zero emissions economy,” says Mr Shaw.
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April 16, 2018 1:05pm
- rangitoto
  
  1. ~~Charter Schools~~
  2. ~~Oil and Gas~~
  3. ~~Ballet Teachers~~
  4. ~~Rescue Helicopters~~
  5. ~~Cows~~
  6. ~~Roads~~
  What’s next?
  
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  April 16, 2018 1:19pm
  - stigie
    
    “What’s next?”
    
    Vehicle registration, Sweet Cheeks needs the money and fast.
    Remember when it was $308 under the last Labour government..?
    
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    April 16, 2018 2:46pm
    - niggly
      
      “What’s next?”
      
      The question is, what will NZF do? 😉
      
      Continue to act retarded or actually defend NZ’s way of life & prosperity (and use some of the income and taxes generated to help fix up the environment i.e. win-win)?
      
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      April 16, 2018 3:06pm
    - MH
      
      abolition of the NZ defence force from the Minster of Disarmament.
      
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      April 16, 2018 3:17pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Us.
    
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    April 17, 2018 5:25am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Tourists flying to NZ use about 20-25% of all fuel in NZ about 2billion litres a year. As an industry it is by far the biggest single source of CO2 emissions. You can’t do electric aviation, so growing tourism at the cost of other industries is the worst solution from a Green perspective. #Letsbefuckinghypocritsaboutthis
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:16pm
  - milkmaid
    
    Sshhh, don’t tell them that. They could ban visitors next. Who know what these idiots are capable of?
    
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    April 16, 2018 2:56pm
  - niggly
    
    “#Letsbefuckinghypocritsaboutthis”
    
    That will cause a quandary for the Greens, because they have previously stated they support tourism (eg would rather have “clean green NZ” tourism than say mining in terms of jobs and revenue etc)!
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:04pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Tourists flying to NZ use about 20-25% of all fuel in NZ about 2billion litres a year.”
    
    If this is true, then tourism must be curtailed at once (to reduce NZ’s carbon emissions, of course). Waiting for the media to bring this up in 3 – 2- 1-
    
    (2 weeks’ later)
    
    Sound of crickets chirping.
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:43pm
JasonJohns

‘Miscegenation caused by interbreeding of people from different racial stocks will cause chaos in Britain and throughout Europe’
– Enoch Powell, 1967

Has Powell’s warning not been proven correct?
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April 16, 2018 1:09pm
- mandk
  
  No.
  Powell got some things correct, but I don’t think miscegenation is a big factor.
  The chaos now being witnessed in the UK and Europe is largely the result of uncontrolled immigration by Muslims.
  And they almost always breed with their own kind.
  
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  April 16, 2018 1:33pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Miscegination is an enormous factor. It is why Israel have a strictly enforced marriage laws so that the Juice can maintain their racial purity.
    
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-could-you-marry-in-israel-1.5250455
    
    A derancinated, misceginated Europrean population ruled over by Jews is what Coudenhove Kalegri said should be forced is his book “Practical Idealism” – excerpt below:
    
    The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. […]
    
    Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process.
    
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    April 16, 2018 2:05pm
    - mandk
      
      I should have known.
      It’s a Jewish plot.
      Enough already!
      
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      April 16, 2018 3:05pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        These are the exact words from Coudenhove Kalegris book published in 1925.
        
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        April 16, 2018 6:37pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “And they almost always breed with their own kind.”
    
    I think it’s even more inward-looking than that.
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:45pm
    - mandk
      
      I’m guessing that you are alluding to marriages between first cousins.
      
      Some studies have disputed whether these marriages increase the risk of congenital problems in the offspring, but it’s not clear whether there is a distinction to be made between a unique first cousin marriage and marriages that involve parties that are both from generations of first cousin marriages.
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:20pm
      - holysheet
        
        In stoooopidboys parents marriage we have proof the the union of cousins has consequences. Finally we know why he is such a fuckwit. It’s his parents fault.
        
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        April 16, 2018 4:46pm
Fletch

Via NZ Taxpayers Union –

Healthy Auckland Together, a coalition of public agencies and taxpayer-funded health groups, used taxpayer money to shut down a Youthline fundraiser because they objected to Coca-cola’s involvement.

You would think that a public health group would be concerned about youth mental health, but in this case, they are blocking vital Youthline revenue for the sake of nannyism and anti-capitalism.

The story on Radio NZ –

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/351124/coca-cola-and-santa-don-t-mix-advertising-watchdog

The same thing happened with Ronald McDonald House being shut down by the virtue signalers, who would rather that mums and dads are not able to be housed near their sick children than be funded by someone they don’t like.
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April 16, 2018 1:42pm
stephieboy

Enoch Powell’s Reivers of blood speech was directly concerned with West Indian Immigration in the 1960s.

The speech turned out to be wrong as it will be the case with Muslim immigration .

BTW Muslim immigation has been going on since the 1960s from South Asia.
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April 16, 2018 1:45pm
- Jack5
  
  Stephie X, you mean “since the 60s from Pakistan.”
  
  It’s okay you can mention the country’s name in NZ.
  
  Bangladesh was part of Pakistan in those days.
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:39pm
Monique Watson

Don’t be a hold-out @RF.
Shitty death, who doesn’t know a BBC employee and pray they won’t end up just being lowlife scum paid for, for just breathing by APN.
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April 16, 2018 1:45pm
EAD_TWO

The thread #EnochPowellwasright is an excellent anecdote to the Stephieboys of this world.

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23EnochPowellWasRight

Not one person has ever given a reasoned counter argument to what Enoch Powell said. All they do is lie and call him ‘racist’ – which is the modern equivalent of calling somebody a heretic.

As a reminder, Enoch was:
– Classical Scholar
– Graduated Cambridge with double first
– Professor of Ancient Greek aged 25 – youngest ever Dr in the history of the Empire
– Wrote 30 books
– 6 years Army service reaching the rank of Brigadier General
– Poet
– Fluent in Latin, Welsh, German, Portugese, Modern Greek – Curator of Nicholson Museum
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April 16, 2018 2:09pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Well, in essence, what he was saying was ‘racist’ – whether he was or not. It has nothing to do with skin colour. But he wasn’t wrong ultimately.
  
  The ‘truth’ that I see is much simpler and you can find examples throughout the Old Testament that people love to characterise as ‘bloodthirsty’.
  
  Cultures, and their value systems, have existed for generations and are deeply embedded in the psyche of their peoples, frequently rooted in the origins of time as they conceive it to have related to their source. It’s ingrained in human identity.
  
  When God told the Israelites to wipe some culture out, he told them to do it completely – men, women, children, animals etc. and to take nothing of that culture into their own. The aim I believe so they would do it to achieve social stability, not for simple plunder or profit. Because if you don’t, 50,100,200 years later, someone will lead a ‘movement’ based on their ‘origin’ and the conflict will all happen all over again. Such ‘movements’ have been happening throughout human history in every ’empire’ which ever existed – none so much as now. NZ has it with Maori/other.
  
  We find ‘genocide’ anaethema on a human level – unsurprisingly in ‘Christian’ philosophy. But individuals who willingly integrate and accept the main culture, fully adopting and merging with the accompanying identity can be accepted. Those who don’t will inevitably cause not only conflict but generational polarisation of that conflict.
  
  Multiculturism must fail because it refuses to take account of that. The time it would take, without major genocide, to institute voluntary ‘blended’ culture is far in excess of the timing of people’s desire to return to their native and predictable societies – and you can’t stop the resurgence of individuals who don’t accept the loss, including those from nostalgic later generations.
  
  Multiculturalism was always doomed to failure as a viable durable form of society. It’s one thing when ‘immigrants’ had a source home to return to if they chose. But now, they don’t because all societies are being/have been ‘corrupted’. The only choice, then, is to fight for supremacy of your particular system within the society you’re in.
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ann of Glen Eden, the Roman Empire was multicultural. To maintain the empire the Roman Army was forced to use auxiliaries drawn from Barbarian Tribes, North Africa and the Middle East etc.
    
    Rome by c 200 AD had become very multicultural where those of different ethnicities and races could obtain Roman Citizenship.
    
    https://www.quora.com/How-multiculturally-integrated-was-the-Roman-Empire
    
    What evidence do you have that multiculturalism is harmful in NZ? Other than your personal dislikes and prejudices?
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:23pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      stephieboy, I suggest you google civil wars in and rebellion against the Roman Empire. It was relentless. And in the end – does it still exist? No.
      
      Does the Mongol empire? Alexander’s Greek empire? Any of them? They were all ‘multicultural’. Even the UK is struggling – and Ireland has already broken- not to mention California wanting to secede from the US et al. or Brittany from France.
      
      As far as NZ is concerned, I haven’t said anything about it, other than that it is subject to the same tensions and pressures that all societies are – and must in the end either involve integration of its people – or its destructive fragmentation by one means or another.
      
      It’s a process of the species – doesn’t matter what I or anyone else think about it – and one that is purely a matter of time.
      
      Your question is reminiscent of arguing about the force of gravity. Do you think if we ‘discuss’ it, based on wishful thinking, we can change its operation?
      
      People do debate whether the earth is flat or round? Do you think their ‘debate’ actually changes the truth?
      
      You’re attributing a ‘belief’ to me and then arguing against it. I’m just stating historical fact and observable truth about human beings everywhere, including in NZ.
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:09pm
  - MH
    
    just look at the Akld Blues……the decline in male teachers…….
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:41pm
  - SGA
    
    The time it would take, without major genocide, to institute voluntary ‘blended’ culture is far in excess of the timing of people’s desire to return to their native and predictable societies
    
    Is that necessarily true, I wonder. The history of what’s now the UK is one of blending, isn’t it? The Celts, the Angles and Saxons, the Norse, and the Normans (the Romans didn’t have the same sort of lasting footprint, from memory). Our extensive, sometimes redundant, English vocabulary is a testament to the blending of diverse groups of people.
    
    – and you can’t stop the resurgence of individuals who don’t accept the loss, including those from nostalgic later generations.
    
    On the other hand, in NZ while there are those individuals that spend time bemoaning what blending is going on, I’m not sure that they are stopping it.
    
    Just a thought.
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:42pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      It’s a thought.
      
      Have you noticed that Ireland has not only separated from the UK but split within – and threatens every day to return to slaughtering each other. Scotland’s current government is dedicated to leaving the UK. The Welsh have their own version.
      
      I watched an interesting program the other day on the Vikings and Europe, especially England. In particular, King Canute was to become the ruler of an empire which, at its height, included England, Denmark, Norway and part of Sweden. Is that still the case? No.
      
      Lasts for a while – then returns to the local people, of mixed heritage I grant you. But still only prepared to accept a ‘local’ society and shared values – integration or fragmentation.
      
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      April 16, 2018 4:18pm
      - SGA
        
        In particular, King Canute was to become the ruler of an empire which, at its height, included England, Denmark, Norway and part of Sweden. Is that still the case? No.
        
        Yeah, but so what? Lots of empires have been built the past, and eventually they all crumbled. I’m not sure that you can lay all of that on “blending” cultures.
        
        Lasts for a while – then returns to the local people, of mixed heritage I grant you
        
        Exactly, a somewhat different local people – which was the point I was making.
        
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        April 16, 2018 5:18pm
- Kimbo
  
  Not one person has ever given a reasoned counter argument to what Enoch Powell said.
  
  Not for those who will not listen or consider beyond their existing prejudices, no. But the New Zealand experience, where the European settlers of predominantly British and Irish Anglo-Saxon and Celtic heritage intermarried with the existing Maori population, to form one of the most stable democracies in the world, based on the same Westminster constitutional system as Powell’s nation, confirm his prophecies of doom regarding miscegenation ain’t necessarily so.
  
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  April 16, 2018 2:54pm
  - UpandComer
    
    I know you think I’m a particular kind of way. But I actually agree with you. New Zealand is probably the only country in the world that is making it work successfully. I hope we can continue to do so. Bill English was right in his valedictory when he said it’s NZ’s chief competitive advantage vs the old world sophisticated civilisations. But it’s tenuous. If we had a 5-10% muslim population, or less goodwill from the middle class, it wouldn’t work. The Coalition of Losers will strain competitive advantage, just like all the others.
    
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    April 16, 2018 3:42pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    stable democracy’…LOL!
    If this is a stable democracy why am I living underground in fear of PC communist dictatorship?
    and why did i lose friends to the clark dictatorship…?
    
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    April 16, 2018 7:10pm
UpandComer

Where is Kimbo?

Kimbo quoted the protocols and medieval wives tales at me when I said Israel was arming ISIS who were then going on to murder Christians.

I quoted two senior Israel policy advisers saying exactly that ISIS should not be eliminated if it served Israel’s interests, and a stable middle east did not serve Israel’s interests.

I promised commander quotes.

I found it:

Major General Herzi Halevy, Israel’s military intelligence chief said openly at Israel’s Herzliya Conference, quoted in the Hebrew language NRS site linked to Maariv:

– Israel prefers ISIS over the Syrian government;
– Israel does not want to see ISIS defeated in war;
– he was concerned about offences at the time against ISIS, saying that the militants faced their most “difficult time” since the inception of the Caliphate;
– the defeat of ISIS might cause the superpowers to leave Syria, putting Israel in a hard position after opposing the survival of the Syrian government;
– he said “Israel will do all we can so as not to find ourselves in such a situation”.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2016/june/22/israeli-intel-chief-we-don-t-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

Israel also got caught red-handed helping Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria in 2015:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/al-qaeda-a-lesser-evil-syria-war-pulls-u-s-israel-apart-1426169708

It’s pay-walled, but outlines assistance with hospitalisation of commanders, logistics, and materials that include ammunition, medical supplies, and tactical equipment.

This article is free, but not from as reputable a source – but it gives a gestalt of the Wall Street Journal story:

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/04/wall-street-journal-israel-caught-red-handed-aiding-al-qaeda-in-syria/

Why is Israel helping muslim terrorist groups that have murdered tens of thousands of Christians in the Middle-East in horrifically brutal ways, and displaced millions of muslims into Europe where they have committed terrorism and mass rape, and are straining the very fabric of western society?

Here’s an update on that as well: A reputable German economist thinks the refugees in Germany, who are meant to be paying for the boomer pensions, will COST Germany 1 trillion pounds:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/691638/Germany-migrant-crisis-immigration-economy-trillion-pounds

It’s survey walled but you can find secondary sources.

So I don’t want to hear from Israel fetishists denouncing every criticism of Israeli’s, whether it be their colour of outfit, to their cuisine, to their most minor policy decisions as ‘another holocaust’ and ‘anti-semitic, gee, better shut it down and destroy your free speech and privacy and institutions for your own sake”

Their military commanders and senior officials are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Christians in Syria and all over the Middle-east.

There is no ‘Judeo’ Christianity. I won’t get into the complex theology about why that is the case, but the contemporary betrayal by the ‘Judeo’ half of the equation is enough, without getting into the Old testament and what the Talmud actually says.

So I don’t want to hear the usual standard low-tier invective and fetishization, and all the Whale0il frequenters better get it into their heads what they’re supporting – the murder of Christians by muslim proxies fulfilling Israeli policy. Policy which I’ve demonstrated in this post, and yesterday.

These aren’t Palestinians where there is argument to be had about fault, causation and history. These are innocent Druze, Coptics, Catholics, and all other Christian denominations, being butchered like cattle by muslims holding Israeli weapons, or bandaged with Israeli bandages, or eating Israeli food.

The ‘Israel’ in Herman Wouk’s the Hope, doesn’t exist, and it never existed.

Now I’m sure many Jews if they didn’t know about this would be appalled. This is not an attack on them ‘Of Course’. But it is what it is.

There you go Kimbo.
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April 16, 2018 3:18pm
- Kimbo
  
  So where is the evidence that the opinions of senior Israeli analysts translate into tangible action on the ground? None. Is the old story, if a Gentile politician or financier or intellectual has an opinion, it is just an opinion, but one Jew? Must be an indication of a worldwide conspiracy.
  
  You just have “cut bono?” innuendo and plot theories of what you surmise the Israelis may be doing in surrounding Middle Eastern nations, especially Syria, including with regard to ISIS. More likely, as the Zionists knew since before 1948, they live in an unstable region, so while threats may come and go, and events can happen fast, their best policy is to stay out of politics beyond the their own borders if they can help it, and stay eternally vigilant. Any attempt to meddle will be construed as a Zionist conquest and incite even more anti-Semitism.
  
  Same uncorroborated speculation that Jews influence British immigration policy. A thousand Anglican clergymen speak out in support of accepting refugees? Nothing untoward. But a thousand rabbis? Jews!!! And then we get arseholes like you (and after calling me a prick and an idiot last night, you had that coming…arsehole) demanding that “the Jews” have to give a statement about the Rotherham rape gangs? Fuck off you anti-Semitic shit bag. Only thing you deserve is contempt. Including from me. So don’t call me out again, arsehole. Did I mention you are an arsehole?
  
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  April 16, 2018 3:59pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Lol you inveterate liar.
    
    Pilpul some more.
    
    You have Israel’s chief of intelligence saying over and over and over and over and over that ISIS needs to be helped. ISIS is Israel’s desired choice of government in Syria etcetera.
    
    Then you have comments from senior policy officials I provided yesterday saying a stable Middle East and defeated ISIS isn’t in Israel’s interests.
    
    Then you have the WSJ covering Israel providing medical, logistical, tactical supplies and ammunition to ISIS fighters, from in Israel. Caught red-handed.
    
    But it’s all a conspiracy and a double standard.
    
    Pilpul more. Tell me some more about that Kimbo.
    
    I think this holocaust of Christians slaughtered with the support of Israeli policy, like the holocaust of girls raped in England, again with the support of Israeli policy, is really reprehensible, and immoral.
    
    Are you implying that German atrocities in world war 2 were all a misunderstanding? Because of Germans cultural heritage and the opprobrium in which they were held post world 1 they were simply held to a higher standard?
    
    Absolutely shameful.
    
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    April 16, 2018 4:28pm
  - UpandComer
    
    “uncorroborated speculation”
    
    I linked to at least two dozen different groups, across Sweden, Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States, including a statement from 1000 separate Rabbis, from 1000 separate whatever your equivalent of a disocese or parish is, all calling for an end to white racism and the embrace of more refugees.
    
    “uncorroborated speculation”
    
    Tell me some more about uncorroborated speculation Kimbo.
    
    Yes, the Jewish establishment in England should give a statement about the 1million raped little girls. After all, that would just be ‘tikkuning the Olam’. We are all part of a rich ‘Judeo-Christian’ tradition, aren’t we. And being that the latter half of that ‘Judeo-Christian’ tradition is being raped, still, right now, in the “Judeo” halves nation, it would be germane of them to comment. After all, they care so much about the well-being of the British people, and doesn’t it remind them of the atrocities their own people have suffered in Israel, at the hands of Palestinian terrorists.
    
    You know why they won’t comment Kimbo?
    
    Because the woman in charge of the investigation who shut it down and got a golden hand-shake to do it, was one of them. Just like the individual who deleted all the Jimmy Savile investigation evidence in May’s administration.
    
    They know very well that the rapes are ongoing. They helped draft the laws that get fathers pointing through windows at the live rapes of their daughters arrested. Because, you don’t say!? Just like there is a precious ‘Judeo-Christian’ tradition, there is also a long-standing ‘Islamo-Judaic’ tradition. Remember Islamic Spain! A golden age! An attack on these poor innocent muslims, raping 1 million kaffir Christians out of cultural misunderstanding, is ‘Islamo-phobia’, an attack on fellow post-world 2 diaspora by racist and ‘privileged’ Europeans.
    
    Tell me some more about the Jewish communities noble silence on Rotherham Kimbo.
    
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    April 16, 2018 4:40pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Kimbos silence speaks volumes.
      
      (FWIE – He’s down thread commenting on safe space topics like poll results for the Greens & NZF)….
      
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      April 16, 2018 6:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeah, because a guy who calls me a prick, idiot and inveterate liar deserves the courtesy of my interaction. Says plenty about you, EAD. Maybe you need to counsel your triggered Nazi protege, because I don’t think Kiwiblog will be his idea of a safe space. ?
        
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        April 16, 2018 6:47pm
MH

all Muslim immigrants should be interviewed by a gay extrovert in transgender drag. whilst a porno in full view is being played behind the interviewer, of consensual acts.
It may end up reversing the expected reaction. No, lets just see if they can recite the names of 10 All Blacks and have a basic understanding of the knock on rules of Rugby Union.

BTW why is it when a player knocks the ball on HE?SHE has the right to regather-surely rather than a scrum a penalty should apply.
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April 16, 2018 3:29pm
rockape

What has happened to all the polls? Usually we get a Roy Morgan once a month but nothing since mid November. Are the press, the backers of Jacinda mania afraid if they commission any they will look fools?
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April 16, 2018 3:31pm
Anne Glen Eden

I don’t know about Kimbo but what a long-winded way of saying, for some absurd reason skewed against Israel, that human beings are subject to the values of:

1. My survival is paramount. I will do whatever it takes to secure it.
2. The enemy of my enemy is my friend – and the floating between ‘if you’re not for us, you’re against us’ and ‘if you’re not against us, you’re for us’. And everything in between.

None of that means anything. There is no country or people in the world who will not fight for their survival – and can and do commit all manner of atrocities while doing it. Everyone has very convenient morality where and when the ‘end justifies the means’ for their own profit, let alone at individual levels.

NZ has been actively supporting China and Russia for decades – by extension North Korea and Syria et al. If not actively supporting them, trying to ride a line of not condemning them (of course, supposedly in the name of ‘diplomacy’ – in reality just not wanting to affect their trade.) Having said that, much of that has been caused by the EU restricting world trade with Europe while in pursuit of its own empire building, forcing myriad others to ‘deal with the devil’. While it’s at it, it’s attacked all of Christendom and certainly refuses any and all responsibility for helping ‘Christians’ in the same countries – and proud of it in the name of multiculturalism etc., as do most of the ‘Christian’ countries.

The Judeo-Christian tradition has nothing to do with any definition Israel may make of it – or not. It’s part of Christianity on a standalone basis. There isn’t an option about that. Christ is a Jew – and head of the ‘Christian church’. He came to ‘fulfil’ the Law, not abolish it.
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April 16, 2018 3:42pm
- UpandComer
  
  Brilliant.
  
  Tell me some more about how New Zealand has done what Israel did.
  
  I remember that time New Zealand provided ammunition, medical supplies, tactical support and hospitalization to Chinese paramilitaries murdering Kiwi expat Chinese in Northern China.
  
  Wait, oh, wait. That didn’t happen?
  
  Ah. So you’re a twit.
  
  Noted.
  
  Your comment about the covenant is unlettered, wrong, and irrelevant. Judaism hasn’t been an old testament religion for centuries. It is a Talmudic religion. The Talmud doesn’t have very nice things to say about much in particular. But certainly not the ‘Judeo-Christian’ religion.
  
  The whole ‘Judeo-Christian’ myth, and it is a myth, is founded on a single line in Genesis 12:3 “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse”.
  
  The sole beneficiaries of this myth, and hint, it isn’t the Christians, say the ‘you’ is them.
  
  It isn’t them. It isn’t them theologically. It isn’t them in reality. It isn’t them because the zionists occupying Israel aren’t remotely related to the tribe of Israel.
  
  That one line is worth about $10billion a year to Israel. So you bet that myth gets propounded. It get’s propounded almost as much as the ‘myth’ and it is a myth, of the ‘melting pot’ again almost as propounded as much as the myth of ‘nation of immigrants’. All non-western, made-up, modern myths.
  
  I’m really interested in your comments about those tens of thousands of Christians slaughtered by ISIS with Israeli policy approval.
  
  What do you mean by this?
  
  “There is no country or people in the world who will not fight for their survival – and can and do commit all manner of atrocities while doing it. Everyone has very convenient morality where and when the ‘end justifies the means’ for their own profit, let alone at individual levels”.
  
  I understand. Listen, I think your anti-semitism is appalling. The German people may have been fighting for their survival, but discounting the Holocaust, on the very eve of it’s remembrance, when it is the foundation mythology of western civilization, is truly appalling. Have you no decency? No consideration for our fellow ‘Judeo-Christians?
  
  Your comment is too incoherent and stupid to be readily understood. But tell us some more about how Israel playing both sides, arming the people killing Christians and killing western coalition forces, including commonwealth and American forces, whilst taking billions in aid and telling us diversity is our strength, and taking our hand and talking about the wonders of the “Judeo-Christian” tradition is just, sensible, reasonable, pragmatic real-politik.
  
  Really interesting.
  
  Tell me some more about that.
  
  Here’s a suggestion. Let’s hear nothing more. Not a word. Not a single word of the supposed ‘moral superiority’ and ‘self-effacing, human-rights focussed, non-aggression’ of our fellow people of the book.
  
  What Israel did is a betrayal that is so monumental it defies description.
  
  Even the muslims still committing all the rapes in England on tax-payers money don’t pretend to be the best friend of their victims, and talk about an ‘Islamo-Christian’ tradition.
  
  Lets not have any more stupid comments about the noble Israeli’s any more, thanks.
  
  That’s probably enough from me for a good while.
  
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  April 16, 2018 4:56pm
MrTips

Ah well the next one has come up to the plate.
Come in David Clark!!! You knew since October about Middlemore:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103133209/health-minister-and-dhb-clash-over-middlemore-hospital-building-issues

Interesting that the media are fishing for this now.
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April 16, 2018 3:52pm
- holysheet
  
  Liar just like the rest of these Liabore fuckwits.
  Each day we get more of the same. Lies and more lies. One would have thought, with the princess of lies out of the country, things might ease up a bit.
  Alas, it is not to be.
  
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  April 16, 2018 4:06pm
Nookin

A number of commenters, myself included, marked the passing of Ivan Mauger earlier.

Some PoS decided that respectful comments deserved down-ticking.

We really do have some low-lifes cowardly lurking in the background.
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April 16, 2018 4:02pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  I wasn’t one of the down-tickers – and adored Ivan Mauger’s bike riding.
  
  However, as DF said in regard to Winnie Mandela’s having committed both good and bad deeds in life, I’m aware that Ivan Mauger’s life had a much larger context than justs motorbikes, and not all the people in it would accord him the same simple ‘hero’ status that you do.
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:03pm
fernglas

Comey doesn’t really like Trump very much, does he? Was his book advance 30 pieces of silver, or is he an honourable man caught in a dishonourable time? Pick a news outlet to suit your opinion and sit back.
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April 16, 2018 4:06pm
Fletch

Britain is becoming No #1 in the Western world for stabbings, with a machete attack every 90 minutes!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5609593/One-machete-attack-90-minutes-UK-streets.html
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April 16, 2018 4:21pm
- holysheet
  
  False news surely, all those followers of the paedo proffit are a peaceful lot and wouldn’t think of doing crap like this.
  
  Is it any wonder with shit like this…..
  
  A Muslim kid asked his mother, “Why don’t you have big boobs like granny?” “Because I’m twelve,” she replied.
  
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  April 16, 2018 4:38pm
  - stigie
    
    Well, i suppose 12 is better than 10 !~
    
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    April 16, 2018 5:06pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Oh my!
  I am thinking of taking my family to England for a vacation later this year. Perhaps I should prepare myself for the dreaded “Paris Syndrome” that apparently affects a significant number of (naiive) Japanese tourists to that city.
  
  Ref: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/paris-syndrome-culture-shock-sickness-sends-japanese-tourists-packing
  
  Of maybe I should invest in a Kevlar vest…
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:03pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Another one – this time a woman in her 30’s.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5619465/Man-arrested-woman-30s-stabbed-death-south-London-road.html
  
  If only this women was taught one of life’s trusims:
  
  If you burn the coal, be prepared to pay the toll
  
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  April 16, 2018 6:51pm
Chuck Bird

New poll on TVNZ tonight.
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April 16, 2018 5:05pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Are you expecting a big lift for your team? Especially now that shane jones has had an opportunity to demonstrate his leadership credentials by taking down Air NZ, the Mark Mitchell business and saving the day with the oil & gas announcement.
  
  Will you guys be supporting the tax increases in the upcoming budget?
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:17pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I put the comment up as a service. I wondered who the moran was who down ticked me. Thanks for letting me know.
    
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    April 16, 2018 5:28pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Chuck, moron is spelt with an o.
      Thanks for the heads-up about the poll but it is TVNZ!
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:31pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      #metoo
      
      How a Winston First supporter can call someone else a moron is beyond me, particularly when they can’t spell moron ?‍♂️
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:32pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      chuckie, downticking seems a bit pointless to me. If I’m going to have to log in to downtick someone, it’s really no more trouble to reach out and share in writing. That way there’s no misunderstandings.
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:37pm
- Happychappy
  
  Has your mate Winson hit the wall or has Jacinda lost her stardust interesting poll result no doubt. But lets hope National are holding their own.
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:29pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    chuckie’s mate just hits the bottle. Although, at least he can spell. Maybe that’s something else chuckie can learn from him.
    
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    April 16, 2018 5:31pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      I hope that wasn’t you down-ticking me chuckie. Wot a moran.
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:41pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        David Tua: O for Awesome
        
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        April 16, 2018 5:43pm
stigie

Im hearing this poll will be before the oil and gas anouncement. Im hopefully picking Mr 7% will become Mr 2% !~
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April 16, 2018 5:23pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I gave you an uptick.
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:29pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Greaser. When are you interviewing colly wally’s party?
    
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    April 16, 2018 5:32pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Fark me… I’m sure Stigie is sending you a chocolate fish as I type.
    
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    April 16, 2018 5:34pm
    - stigie
      
      Rather send one to Dad..?
      
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      April 16, 2018 5:55pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Dad might decide to go with the “return to sender” option?
        
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        April 16, 2018 6:11pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        The way keep bringing him up are sure you wouldn’t rather give one to him?
        
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        April 16, 2018 6:21pm
      - stigie
        
        Now that’s just awful Awww C-mon !~
        
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        April 16, 2018 6:30pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Lol, just say’n ?‍♂️
        
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        April 16, 2018 6:55pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  On reflection, I hope NZF and the Greens get 4.9%
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:45pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Gosh chuckie, you’ve got fingers like feet tonight! I’m sure you meant 9.9%. Or maybe even 19.9%?
    
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    April 16, 2018 5:51pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Thedavincimode:
      
      Apparently National can count on Chuck for his support:
      
      13 February 2018: “I might vote National. It depends who is leader.”
      
      27 February 2018: “I wanted Judith but am happy with Bridges.”
      
      Of course, there’s a lot of time between now and the election, and who knows what “bottom lines” will be announced then!
      
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      April 16, 2018 6:05pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        [splutter font] but … but … but … what about win? his policies? porno’s leadership qualities? Teaching National a lesson?
        
        He’s so fickle. I expect a good top up on chuckie’s Gold Card, a helicopter ride to the races and a slap up lunch at Kermadec should see him safely back in the fold.
        
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        April 16, 2018 7:08pm
Happychappy

I gave you two, one for each of your posts so it is not me.?
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April 16, 2018 5:33pm
- BananaLlama
  
  I downtick just to shit stir
  
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  April 16, 2018 5:47pm
waikatogirl

Gloss has worn off. Liebour are down below National:

Nats 44% up 1
Lab 43% down 5
Greens 6% up 2
NZF on 5% up 1
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April 16, 2018 6:02pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Doesn’t really matter much.
  Without political support National are still in the wilderness – completely overwhelmed by the CoL vote.
  
  National have a long way to go – and cannot rest on a chance of the CoL falling apart of its own accordd, however much we gnash our teeth and hope/plead/pray it happens.
  
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  April 16, 2018 6:07pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  So the greens and NZF bouncing around the cliff of oblivion (5%)
  ACT holding on to one seat
  Nat’s still ahead
  I see, in the very short time that Simon Bridges has been leader his support for PM has increase 10 fold and is double that of winnies, JA’s is down (honeymoon over).
  Greens fall 1% NZF fall 0.1%,
  Nats govern alone
  ie
  Nats 60 (53 + 7 overhang)
  Lab 59 (52 + 7 overhang)
  ACT 1
  
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  April 16, 2018 6:35pm
  - RF
    
    If I hear Mule tooth say “absolutely” again I will bloody scream.
    
    She just trots out those sound bites that are meaningless.
    
    Dear God please keep her overseas.
    
    Actually Liz as you are our monarch throw the stupid bimbo in the tower.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:38pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Left of Center Party (aka National) 44%
  Far Further Left Party (aka Labour) 43%
  Totalitarian Party (aka Greens) 6%
  Gang of One Party (NZ First) 5%
  
  When will NZ vote for a small-government, red-tape-cutting, trough-overturning, identity-politics-rejecting, personal-responsibility-promoting party? (Or is would such a party be branded by the opposition as “far right wing”?)
  
  Don’t hold your breath.
  
  Things are going to have to get a lot worse before they get better.
  
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  April 16, 2018 7:52pm
  - Holly Roggerz
    
    Funny that the national candidate played the card of “National is right wing, I support right wing values” but couldn’t describe aforementioned values….
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:28pm
ex-golfer

How the hell can Greens and NZF be increasing their support! Just shows the average mentality of the general NZ electorate.
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April 16, 2018 6:03pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Thought the same ex-golfer. Lots of politically unaware people out there.
  
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  April 16, 2018 6:06pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well it won’t be long for all the we don’t like Simon Bridges brigade to come out saying the voters going back to Winston because they don’t want him as leader.
    
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    April 16, 2018 6:46pm
  - holysheet
    
    Nah with the likes of Chuckie, morans will always be morons.
    
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    April 16, 2018 7:11pm
- Kimbo
  
  The support for NZ First was likely on the back of Shane Jones’ criticisms of Air NZ and the Warehouse. You only need 5 in 100 who are idiots enough to think it is good politics and business. Mind you, I’m guessing most of this poll was done before the announcement to stop oil and gas exploration, so that may be sufficient to bring one, maybe even two of those idiots to their senses. ?
  
  The Support for the Greens should always be above 5%, such is the power of their brand. Bear in mind that it was only the idiocy of Turei’s benefit fraud announcement, and then Jacinda-mania put them in danger of not making it last election, compared to their true level of about 10% as in 2011 and 2014.
  
  But no matter what thelevel of support for the Greens, it is irrelevant because, in the main, they will be swapping votes back and forth between Labour. Instead, as always the real battle is in the the centre between National and Labour…and whether NZ First can stay above 5%.
  
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  April 16, 2018 6:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The sample size is so small and unrepresentative as to be meaningless.
  
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  April 16, 2018 7:25pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What Maggy said.
    
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    April 16, 2018 7:54pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Maggy, you have a science background. The poll is 1000. Do any other polling companies use a larger sample? I do not think many would be much bigger.
    
    DPF would know the optimum sample size. It does not need to be as big as many people think if it is done properly.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Its all spin, Chuck.
      
      Do you really think a sample of 1000 people (500 on a landline, 500 on mobile phone) tells us anything meaningful about NZ’s voting population?
      
      It’s an excuse for the Media folk to spin a story that some suckas suck up.
      
      Anyway….that’s my view.
      
      Oh, you asked for my view as a scientist… Well, then Polls are brilliant…The research says it is so.
      https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00323187.2017.1321589?src=recsys&journalCode=rpnz20
      
      Oh dear …. it’s going to cost you $US 42.50 to have access to that paper for 24hours……(and our taxes paid for that research!!!!!!).
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:59pm
BananaLlama

NZF serving up crow again.
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April 16, 2018 6:15pm
Anne Glen Eden

The poll results as far as Labour and National are what I would have expected.

In particular, though, so are the results for Simon Bridges. I can hear people saying it’s ‘early days’ – and he says ‘people will get to know him’. I think that’s really irrelevant.

What he comes across as is ‘limply intellectual’. What NZers respond to and want is a passionate ‘champion of the people’. That can come across in a variety of ways. With Bill English it was a largely quiet but intense commitment and stamina, backed by results – and saying so. With John Key it was probably a universal recognition that he really didn’t ‘need’ the job – either for ego or for money – combined with a clear preparedness to relate to everyone easily – and saying so.

Simon Bridges needs to discover some passion for the real people of NZ, rather than leading a political party. If he does have some, he needs to learn how he can most naturally express it and get it across. If he doesn’t have any, he needs to learn to pretend that he has, much better than he currently is.

You don’t need a degree or business experience to care about people – and that is the most crucial quality wanted by the population. It’s also a lot more than just being seen in the ‘right’ places. It’s looking people in the eye, paying full attention to what they say, and then demonstrating comprehension of what they’re on about. John Key was exceptionally good at that.

Then he can bear out policy with the reasoned arguments. He’s not too bad at that – but without the passion, it’s futile and probably seen as just being intellectually clever and divorced from human beings.
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April 16, 2018 6:30pm
- howitis
  
  If Simon Bridges is the answer, it might well be time to rephrase your question.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:13pm
JasonJohns

These polls are fakeburgers – just ask Trump.
My informal patriotic polls have Labour plummeting – even lower than the dismal 22% they scored on election night, before the balot stffing started. Big gains for National and its splinters/allies.

One real issue for Nats is need to unite. The Reform-United dvision that has hung round since the ’30s needs to be buried. members need to start defining themselves as Nats, not as United or Reform Parties. Those parties belong to an earlier, gentler period in our history.
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April 16, 2018 7:06pm
- Kimbo
  
  True. But isn’t “National” kinda pussy? Just call it what the policy and government should be: “right wing military dictatorship”.
  
  As always, love your work, JJ. ?
  
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  April 16, 2018 7:11pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    National Party = pussy
    National Front = penis
    National crisis = stimulation
    
    They will copulate and spawn. Result will be PM John Ansell.
    
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    April 16, 2018 7:18pm
    - Swifty
      
      Lol!
      
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      April 16, 2018 7:24pm
- nasska
  
  Haven’t heard much about the NZ Conservatives lately.
  
  They must be taking time off to regroup! 🙂
  
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  April 16, 2018 7:16pm
  - stigie
    
    If my memory serves, wasn’t Reddy a Conservative Nasska but not very religious (by the way he spoke to you) ?
    
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    April 16, 2018 7:44pm
    - nasska
      
      It was never in the stars that Baity & I would get along stigie. He was an absolute social conservative who contrarily held that nanny state should be able to control morals yet supported freedom of association & thought.
      
      I believe in the right of an individual to live his/her life free from unnecessary coercion or duress from state or church.
      
      Funnily enough we were both fiscal conservatives but he never twigged. 🙂
      
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      April 16, 2018 7:58pm
EAD_TWO

The MSM have been wheeling out a lot of these “survivor” stories in the past week to coincide with the strikes against Syria. Propoganda much?

https://youtu.be/gowz2s64PXA

The top-rated comments are encouraging:

* “I’ve been shocked recently to find that the official narrative of ww2 is almost certainly not correct. We can discuss pretty much anything in our society but we cannot question this subject… why?”

* “I find this offensive the lies and propaganda surrounding the second world war still being pushed and the so called survivors still cashing their cheques makes me sick to the stomach”

* “Not a day goes by without the media mentioning (usually numerous times) the Jews in WW2, it’s almost as if someone’s trying to push an agenda. Never any mention of the Holodomor, which happened in the same era, despite the fact more people were murdered.”

* “Give it another 100 years and they’ll still be dragging up survivors from this so called Holohoax.”
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- Kimbo
  
  it’s almost as if someone’s trying to push an agenda
  
  Yeah, one or two of us have come to that conclusion about some of those who crawl out from under their rock and regularly post about one topic, or people group in particular here on Kiwiblog. ?
  
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  April 16, 2018 7:20pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    I sometimes wonder how old EAdolf is, and how he imbibed his Jew-hatred. But then I realise that I care as little about him as a person as I do about his loathsome, yet laughable views.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:09pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I’m the same, but without wanting to engage in doxxing (and yes, EAD would be about the last one I’d be interested in tracking down)
      
      …but from memory hasn’t he mumbled something about “coming to the truth” while doing a history degree at Otago in the early ‘80s? Which from memory was when Michael Laws was a presence on campus. ☹️
      
      Or he may have said the early ‘70s, so work back twenty years from there for a DOB.
      
      Bored with the topic already. ?
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:32pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Have you ever wondered, perhaps, why opinions which the majority of people quite naturally hold are, if anyone dares express them publicly, denounced as ‘controversial, ‘extremist’, ‘explosive’, ‘disgraceful’, and overwhelmed with a violence and venom quite unknown to debate on mere political issues? It is because the whole power of the aggressor depends upon preventing people from seeing what is happening and from saying what they see.
      
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      April 16, 2018 10:26pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        Nice rationale, Enoch, but it depends on your unproven assumption that your opinions are shared by the majority.
        In the real world, we have this thing called democracy, despised by Nazis like EAdolf, which despite all its flaws enables a crude mechanism for societies like our to express aggregate political preferences. So, to date in New Zealand, we don’t find any political parties composed of ‘race realists’ who blame everything on the Jews.
        
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        April 17, 2018 5:19am
noskire

I’m beginning to wonder if the coalition agreement between Labour, NZF and the Greens may in fact be unconstitutional, given that it has not been publicly released.
Nookin and David Garrett, your thoughts?
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April 16, 2018 7:26pm
- mikewasmild
  
  The coalition agreement was published. The other stuff that wasn’t published may or may not have constitutional significance. Probably not though. But you would have to define what you think ‘unconstitutional’ means.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:06pm
  - nasska
    
    The coalition agreement effectively rode over the campaign commitments of three parties. It has promoted garbage such as the oil exploration moratorium which is probably backed by less than 15% of the population.
    
    So yes. Since the unpublished items which undoubtedly are the most controversial haven’t been published we have no way to tell what policies have been shit-canned & which have been melded.
    
    If that’s not constitutionally important it must be getting pretty close to it.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:22pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      Any conversation or agreement between political parties could be constitutionally important.
      While I think the government should be more open, I can’t see that they are violating any part of the constitution by not doing so.
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:34pm
Monique Watson

Netanyahu isn’t taking any shit. Quite happy to redraw some 1948 borders. And there’s no fucking weasel words, like with May, just instant deployment of F-16’s.
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April 16, 2018 7:29pm
Chuck Bird

I will be listening what Simon Bridges has to say on moral issues on 5 July on Forum on the Family put on by Family First.

I am fortunately at a stage in life where financial bribes like a gold card make any difference to me. I have enough money with existing super and my investments to live comfortably and provide for my children and grandchildren after I die.

I am interested in moral issues than bribes. Simon Bridges is conservative so I expect he will get my vote unless the Conservative Party is able to improve their polling.

Most younger people vote on how much money is for them. I choose to vote on other issues. That is democracy.
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April 16, 2018 7:32pm
- thedavincimode
  
  I choose to vote on other issues.
  
  Oh I say; yah! Like teaching National a lesson? winston first policy (corruption, supporting economically & socially destructive policies – the canning of charter schools, oil and gas, compulsory bargaining, putin, tax increases – all to get a crack in the big chair)? porno jones’ leadership qualities? Are those the reasons chuckie? All bread and butter stuff for a conservative like yourself!
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:13pm
noskire

An OIA request on how many overseas trips have been taken by Government ministers and MP’s in the last six months could be interesting too..
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April 16, 2018 7:36pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Only your laziness prevent you from finding this information.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:02pm
  - noskire
    
    Well I might just go and do that request my friend.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:50pm
    - mikewasmild
      
      The easiest way to do so is through fyi.org.nz.
      But you might not have to as I think the information is routinely released anyway.
      
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      April 17, 2018 5:27am
DigNap15

As I walk around my local suburb I feel outnumbered by low lifes from a certain sub continent.
Most of them look like male “students” or older men and women who look like they are from Myanmar or somewhere.
What do they do
What do they contribute
Who let them in?
Why are they here?
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April 16, 2018 7:41pm
DigNap15

Amazing that NZF and the Greens have gone up!
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April 16, 2018 7:42pm
noskire

Apart from Labour dropping 5%, it is all within margin of error.
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April 16, 2018 7:49pm
rightoverlabour

Between Jacinda and Jones we have comedy central. Then this just to up the ante….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/103148984/driver-tasered-after-12kmh-crosscountry-tractor-chase
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April 16, 2018 8:06pm
Suze Wainwright

Does the latest poll cover the petrol excise and oil exploration announcements?
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April 16, 2018 8:09pm
- mikewasmild
  
  Google is your friend.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:12pm
  - nasska
    
    Haemorrhoids playing up again tonight Mike?
    
    You don’t seem to be your normal good natured self. 🙂
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:35pm
    - Kimbo
      
      His time out on the naughty chair has made his tolerance of those he considers fools even shorter. I like the new mikey. Burning with righteous indignation, it’s like having a smart arse Dr Martin Luther King here on Kiwiblog. ?
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:42pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Burning with righteous indignation”…..
        
        Nah! I’m still going for the piles option. Half a dozen Anusol suppositories & he’ll be as good as new. 🙂
        
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        April 16, 2018 8:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think it’s a different Mikey.
        This one seems to have long absences during the day (?employment!!!!)
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Just hope that when AgentBallSack gets out of the cooler in about three weeks
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_07_march_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2156242
        
        …he doesn’t let himself get trolled so easily by Kea/realityczech/felching straw.
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassileiff
        
        Ouch!
        
        Be fair. No matter what his incarnation, mikey lives in the prosperous Hutt Valley, not Gisborne. He doesn’t need Shane Jones’ tax-payer funded industry and employment support. ?
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:14pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Maggy – it’s just that he’s exhausted having to carry the load all by himself. Huge effort over the weekend. It’s the same milky; only now – milky be mad! As in weally mad!
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:16pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Thanks Mike, sorry, I’ve been at work all day and haven’t had time to sit down and read all the social media.
    So the impacts of these new policies haven’t yet had time to be evaluated by a decent number of voters then… (let alone anyone actually had to pay for their extra cup of coffee per week yet)?
    Oh well, I guess if the girl’s not for turning…
    
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    April 16, 2018 9:13pm
Suze Wainwright

Anyone looking for employment with a progressive organisation…?

Then these could be just what you’re after:

https://careers.parliament.govt.nz/jobdetails?ajid=PPYw7

https://careers.parliament.govt.nz/jobdetails?ajid=HSYw7

https://careers.parliament.govt.nz/jobdetails?ajid=5XYw7

Not sure if understanding of finance is all that important or not for the last one…
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April 16, 2018 8:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There would be hell to pay if you’d overspent the sustainable pencil and Macha Tea budget for the week.
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:40pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The Senior Digital Advisor is responsible for growing our online communities and building public support for the Green Party’s vision and policies. This also includes:
  
  – Writing innovative, engaging, and compelling, web content and emails to trigger action and deepen engagement
  – Developing engaging and effective supporter journeys
  – Writing digital campaign strategies for Green Party campaigns and policy launches
  – Develop the digital narrative and email story that will deepen supporter engagement in a project
  – Develop our database and segmentation to ensure that we’re delivering relevant communication to our supporters
  – Provide expert advice to the Communications Team to ensure we’re growing our supporter community and gaining valuable information about these supporters
  
  We should send in Redbaiter as a deep-ops digital commications specialist!
  
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  April 16, 2018 8:47pm
  - mikewasmild
    
    Apart from his inability to write anything, develop anything or provide anything, he would be perfect.
    
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    April 16, 2018 8:50pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      It’s a golden opportunity for Redbaiter to launch phase 2.5A of his 20-year conservative crusade against leftists and other non-conformists on the internet (admittedly from an unexpected Green Party source – but this mission requires a covert approach and a trojan horse makes a good disguise). Twitter doesn’t have the same potential!
      
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      April 16, 2018 8:59pm
      - nasska
        
        Settle down Nostra!
        
        You’ll end up labelled as an example of homo knuckle-dragging marxist leftist scum handwringing NZ into Progressivism. 🙂
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        “homo knuckle-dragging marxist leftist scum handwringing NZ into Progressivism”
        
        That’s a good headline for a Green Party media release – guaranteed to generate lots of clicks!
        
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        April 16, 2018 9:07pm
- noskire
  
  I love this wording for the office biatch job – “We’re looking for an enthusiastic yet professional individual”. Which means what, if you’re enthusiastic, you’re not professional? Or vice-versa?
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:12pm
- Harkman
  
  I might apply under the name Mohammed Bin al-Arabia
  
  Experience:
  
  – 4 Years Syrian Interior Ministry
  – 6 Years Syrian State Television (SATRBC)
  – 3 Years United Nations Development Program
  
  Education:
  
  Bachelor of Engineering (Chemical Engineering), University of Damascus.
  
  References:
  
  -Bashar al-Assad
  -Helen Clark
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:28pm
JasonJohns

wanto know how communists work…by infinite stealth. pol pot took over cambodia and implemented his new order by ultimate stealth, one tiny step at a time…the cambods didn’t know what hit them til afterwards…they thought the whole thing was some organic food deal!

well look at how the new com gov in nz operates…a small step each day…today’s step: nickey Hager running the SIS!!! http://www.igis.govt.nz/media-releases/announcements/establishment-of-igis-reference-group/
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April 16, 2018 8:55pm
- Kimbo
  
  Sorry, JJ, but Philview already owns the copyright for the “Long March through the institutions of government” motif here on Kiwiblog. ?
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, I never.
  
  Reckon we will read all about in tomorrow’s newspapers?
  
  Na!
  If that Press Release was at 2pm today, it should have been all over the News by now.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:09pm
- noskire
  
  I’m sure PaulL will give him a run for his money.
  
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  April 16, 2018 9:16pm
Prince

Tonight’s poll was taken between April 7 and April 11.
So the impact of Labour closing NZ industry in favour if importing oil is not included.
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April 16, 2018 9:08pm
noskire

PM meets French President
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April 16, 2018 9:37pm
DigNap15

Paris is the world’s fashion capital.
They will just love Jacinda’s boots.
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April 17, 2018 6:15am
- softail 1450
  
  D N, i just saw jacinda giving a press conference in paris ,she will undoubtedly be invited to attend a fashion parade where her specialty design will be “how to make the best use of carpet for a stunning dress” FFS cant someone give her some tips on dress sense,it’s truly embarrassing.
  
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  April 17, 2018 6:49am
  - mikewasmild
    
    Was it more embarrassing for you than when Helen Clark wore trousers to meet the Queen?
    
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    April 17, 2018 7:14am
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      No, they are both as embarrasing to me as a New Zealander.
      
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