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duggledog

Taika Waititi’s ‘NZ is as racist as f***’ diatribe seems a little naïve and I think he has bought his own publicity and become what most kiwis call a ‘wanker’.

I mean, he’s quite funny and good at observing genuine kiwi culture (ref. the scene in Wilderpeople where he is a bizarre Church pastor) but at the end of the day Thor Ragnarok was totally shit and he is only a film director, who did well partially because the NZ Film Commission does not consider any proposal that doesn’t have Maoris, gender confused people or refugees in it.

Taika (if that is your real name lol) hate to break this to you but –

People are ‘racist as f***’ in NZ because they watch the TV news, listen to the radio, read the paper, watch Police 10-7 and fully understand the ethnicities of those who commit the most crimes, are continually the most needy etc
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April 14, 2018 8:02am
- Paulus
  
  Am I supposed to know who he is ?
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:18am
- Harkman
  
  If we’re funding these movies in future, I’ll make it perfectly clear, I don’t won’t any of my taxes going to this lefty prick.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:34am
  - Yvette
    
    Taika Waititi is likely to be on the Board of the new RNZ Plus state television channel along with Carol Hirschfeld and Susan Devoy when Ardern helps Curran get her krap together.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:27am
- Longknives
  
  I enjoy the Marvel Films- But Thor Ragnarok was probably one of their weaker efforts.
  NZ Media went completely over the top (‘Taika has changed the game’ etc etc) as usual.
  Reality is- It was actually pretty disappointing.
  I think he is buying into his own hype..
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:37am
  - Longknives
    
    I should add I haven’t seen Black Panther- After reading all the ‘This is OUR movie”White People aren’t welcome’ etc stuff on the Net…
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:38am
    - cmm
      
      Ah, yes, Black Panther launched to tie in with Black History month.
      
      Now there’s a racist movie if there ever was one!
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:11am
      - holysheet
        
        I’ve just seen the new Black Panther film at the cinema in stunning 3D.
        With all those black hands coming out the screen it felt so real.
        
        I even checked I still had my wallet in my pocket before I left…
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Most times he comes within my sphere of awareness I find him a complete wanker. Agree he is very impressed by his limited abilities, and with those who find him ‘adorable’!!
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Eagle vs Shark – his first effort as a Film Director and Writer – was funny.
    https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/eagle-vs-shark-2007
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:46am
- yossarian
  
  If Taika believes people are racist as f#£k because they don’t pronounce Maori place names correctly, I wonder how he pronounces cities like Paris, Moscow, Prague, Mexico City, Rome, Barcelona etc?
  
  As he totally believes that ignorance is not an excuse, then he may need to look in the mirror.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:40am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yup, Firenze, Roma, Turino, Venezia, Napoli
    
    From now on I will consider all New Zealanders who refer to those cites as Florence, Rome, Venice etc “as Racist as Fuck” and I will be offended… Vaffancoulo Taika
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:11am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Yes. Depending on which of her three languages she’s using, my wife comes from Hong Kong, Heung Gang or Xiang Gang. Depending on which language I’ve been asked in, I come from New Zealand, Laau Sailan or Xin Xilan.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:21am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Well, in a few years we will all be referring to our country as Xin Xilan. Actually has a nice ring to it….
      
      Chines military base in Vanuatu, next stop Auckland
      
      sorry 奥克兰 Àokèlán
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:30am
  - itstricky
    
    If Taika believes people are racist as f#£k because they don’t pronounce Maori place names correctly, I wonder how he pronounces cities like Paris, Moscow, Prague, Mexico City, Rome, Barcelona etc?
    
    He was clearly talking about New Zealanders, in New Zealand, pronouncing Maori place names.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:27pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      But is modifying the pronunciation and grammar of Maori words when incorporating them into English racism, ignorance or unexceptionable behaviour?
      
      For some guidance on this, worshippers of one of our founding documents might note that some English words have been given a Maori form – tiriti, Niu Tirani, Kuini Wikitoria, Ingarani, Wiremu Hopihona.
      
      Denouncing people for using modified forms of words from other languages in their own language is linguistically naive and closer to racism than the act of modification itself, IMO. Let people choose whichever form they feel comfortable with. I notice that I usually say all six syllables of Paraparaumu quite distinctly, but I also say Oderhu for Otahuhu. If others say these words differently – fine.
      
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      April 14, 2018 5:34pm
      - itstricky
        
        I’m not saying that I agree with him, but I presume that as we’re all New Zealanders, living in New Zealand (I, again, presume you are), then we should be making a decent attempt at “proper” Maori pronunciation.
        
        So, yes, correcting that “Oderhu”. But if there’s some sort of colloquialism like there are a couple for Paraparaumu, it seems like a far stretch to call that a problem.
        
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        April 14, 2018 6:48pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Last time I went to Odourhu it looked and smelt like a shithole. I see no reason to alter it’s pronunciation! 🙂
        
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        April 14, 2018 6:51pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    When he promises to stop being racist, under his own definition (pronunciation), and pronounces EVERY language on the planet correctly.
    Then maybe he will have a claim as to the pronunciation of this near dead language called Maori.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:22pm
    - itstricky
      
      Have a crack at replying to my post. It’s right there, just above yours.
      
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      April 14, 2018 3:06pm
- holysheet
  
  A boy says to his dad, “Why do they say gardeners have got green fingers when their fingers aren’t green?”
  His dad replies, “It’s just a saying, son. It’s like when someone is caught stealing something, they say that they’ve been caught red-handed’, even though their hands are actually brown.”
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:02am
  - starboard
    
    More fact.. Prison stats back that up.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:24am
  - RF
    
    Bugger.
    
    There goes my coffee.
    
    Off to buy a new keyboard.
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:31am
  - 4077th
    
    True as Fuck 🙂
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:45am
  - itstricky
    
    Ah, the precious irony of 34 upticks for this joke, immediately following a dissing of olde Waititi. Hilarious. You guys don’t know whether you’re coming or your going.
    
    I guess we just blew all the nods of agreement with this post out of the water, didn’t we:
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/a_young_maori_women_defends_old_white_men.html
    
    ?
    
    And it was less than a week ago.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:33pm
- cmm
  
  Stating the truth is not racism. It is just statistics.
  
  Nor is it “homophomic” to point out that the alarm over the rise of STDs amongst Kiwis is mostly a rise amongst homosexuals.
  
  “Gay or bisexual men made up 70 per cent of cases, in which 21 per cent were also HIV positive.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103102919/syphilis-spreads-among-kiwis-cases-double-in-two-years
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:09am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And once you have syphilis, the chances of getting HIV increases substantially, as its the T cells fighting the syphilis that are prone to HIV infection. Too bad, so sad…
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:13am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    They say in the article that regular partners should use condoms. I assume they mean heterosexual married and de facto couples. The chance of a man getting an infection by his wife is almost nil except for immigrants.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:32am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      It could be to protect the wife!!
      
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      April 14, 2018 11:05am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    For the Ministry of Education to be logically consistent and to uniformly discourage school children from unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as drug use and smoking, I would expect them to also discourage youngsters from experimenting with homosexual or bisexual practices.
    The statistics indicate sub-par health outcomes for such behaviors.
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:05am
    - dubya
      
      As a gay man, I can’t dispute that statistically, we’re pretty dire for venereal diseases and HIV infection (though I have neither personally!).
      
      However I would counter that it’s unwise to discourage sexual practices that would occur regardless. Discouraging something as bad and dirty just increases the risk factors that occur alongside the inevitable actions, as that behaviour is forced to hide. Likewise, whilst I strongly doubt a lot of gay men will ever be monogamous, as homosexuality is normalised in society more gay men feel comfortable openly dating and getting into happy relationships, rather than hanging around seedy bars or worse, public toilets.
      
      I fully expect someone to try and counter this argument with “but what about ATEED’s infamous event ‘KiwiFist’?”, mind you!
      
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      April 14, 2018 11:36am
      - starboard
        
        Being homosexual is not the norm despite those who try and say its accepted now in society. It has been forced down peoples throats and if you disagree in any way shape or form you are instantly labelled homophobic. Same with Maori.. disagree and you are wacist.
        Homosexuality is not, and never will be ‘the norm’. Leave it in the public toilet, or in your bedroom.
        Now, don’t start me on ratepayer funded fist-a-thons….
        
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        April 14, 2018 12:14pm
      - dubya
        
        The bedroom and the public toilet are very different things – I like the former, the idea of the latter repulses me, as it does basically every gay man I know.
        
        And I never said it was the norm, and certainly don’t seek to usurp the basis of society and human reproduction, I’m just happy to coexist.
        
        My personal philosophy is that my life can exist quietly alongside yours or anyone else’s and is no better or worse – I’d never tell someone my lifestyle (and note, being a gay is very small part of my life) was any better than theirs, but if someone, unprovoked, told me I was a less worthy member of society simply based on who I went to bed with, they’d rightly get an earful.
        
        I agree many acronym-activists are fucking idiots and completely misguided, and inevitably left wing and obsessed with identity politics which is a major turn off. As a result I have very little to do with the ‘official’ gay community. I don’t think that’s unusual in itself mind you – conversely most relatively conservative nuclear families think anti-gay activists like Brian Tamaki are fuckwits.
        
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        April 14, 2018 12:37pm
      - Fletch
        
        However I would counter that it’s unwise to discourage sexual practices that would occur regardless.
        
        You could make the same case for any other harmful practice. “Oh, they’re going to use drugs anyway, so we may as well legalize it and bring it out into the open”. Society has a duty to limit practices that are harmful to the polis at large, not to endorse them using the faulty reasoning that the people practicing those harmful things might hurt themselves. Police shouldn’t chase speeding cars in case the fleeing person gets hurt, etc.
        
        Conversely, I would say that it’s wrong to encourage such practices, the way society is doing right now.
        
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        April 14, 2018 1:39pm
      - dubya
        
        Fletch, with respect I do not think society, especially schools, are ‘encouraging’ sex (gay or otherwise) simply by acknowledgement of it’s existence and, through sexual education programmes, making people aware of potential risks associated with that behaviour (STDs) and mitigation strategies (condoms, testing, etc.).
        
        The perverse elements of any sexuality will always attract media and popular attention. Recently ‘choking’ (erotic asphyxiation) appears to have become a bit of a heterosexual pop culture phenomenon despite the obvious dangers, yet I doubt it is practiced by the vast majority of couples. Likewise most gay men are rightly horrified at the thought of a whole fist up their anus, ratepayer funded or otherwise!
        
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        April 14, 2018 1:59pm
- redeye
  
  I caught a 60 second spell from radio live yesterday afternoon as I passed through the shed. They were discussing this issue. Lisa Owen said something to the effect of;-
  It’s not even what they say. It’s the way they look at you. Just slightly different to the way they look at others.
  Looks like we’ll be getting the thought police, trained in recognizing racist facial expressions.
  Having a bad day and dont hide your emotions well? Wear a burka to work.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:17am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Like Shane and his facial contortions?
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:30am
PhilBest

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I just picked up a beautiful one-liner from Peter Hitchens (brother of the late Christopher). Referring to the UK Tories total lack of principles and spinelessness (same as our John Key Nats) he says “they would guillotine the Queen in Grosvenor Square if they thought it would keep them in office”.
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April 14, 2018 8:02am
- KiWombat
  
  It wasn’t the Nats who did the deal with the devil, however !
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:06am
  - PhilBest
    
    That’s ironic, given that on the record of the last 3 terms in office, they continued on the trajectory of “the devil’s” program for NZ, effectively giving her a 4th, 5th and 6th term. I have no faith that they will do anything different “next time” either.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:23am
    - CHFR1
      
      Phil as much as I hate what you are saying it is, unfortunately, the truth and we need to face the fact that National will not reverse anything Labour does just slow the car heading for the cliff.
      Like Labour they are poll driven and want to be liked by the media, who they fool themselves into thinking are representitive of the electorate. As much as Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson were polarising figures they pout this country on the road to prosperity and the current mob seem intent on taking the dead end road up ahead. I have little confidence Simon Bridges will be any different from Jacinda but my one glimmer of hope is the fact he has MP’s around him who have had real world experience and they may drag him onto the right path.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:46am
    - cmm
      
      I must agree with you to an extent.
      
      National is a bit like Labour-lite with better management.
      
      Imagine having Cindy during the GFC or the earthquakes!
      
      However as National have drifted left, Labour are drifting even more left to make their mark. Hence toying with 1970s/80s unionism etc.
      
      National will have to change that to keep alive.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:14am
      - septic skeptic
        
        National will have to change to get my vote. I don’t care how bad this COL gets, I’m not voting for National if I think we will get the same crap policies run a bit more efficiently.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:27am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        I’m with you on that septic skeptic.
        
        I’d rather have the Devil, if the only other option is Devil in disguise. The only way to purge the cuckservative progressivism out of National is if their MPs lose their seats. Short-term pain for a better longer term outlook.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:37am
      - RF
        
        Must admit I am impressed with Judith Collins.
        
        She has Twitford on the run…..
        
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        April 14, 2018 1:19pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I liked this exchange
  Rubin: You were a Marxist at one time in your life
  Thomas Sowell: Its not that unusual
  Rubin: What was your wakeup to what was wrong with that line of thinking?
  Thomas Sowell: Facts
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:10am
  - PhilBest
    
    Isn’t it ironic? Some proportion of outright Marxists see the light and become staunch principled classical liberals because of the facts, while “centre right” politicians won’t bother to even use the embarrassment of riches of facts to defeat the left’s lies.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:17am
  - stephieboy
    
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    All on Red ,
    
    “Thomas Sowell: Facts”
    
    “Like Obama is likened to Hitler ”
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:40am
    - Manolo
      
      You really love the messiah, don’t you?
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:42am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Manolo, you really love yours too?
        
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        April 14, 2018 8:44am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Facts:
      
      – Obama adopted an overtly anti-semitic approach with foreign policy (UNSC 2334)
      – Obama also swept to power on lies and broken promises and ended up driving his countries to its knees because of his insanity
      – Obama actively fostered and supported racial disharmony replace “Black Lives” with “Arran Race” and “Snap!”
      – Obama was yugely pro-Islam
      – Obama used state security organs to attack political opponents domestically too
      – Obama was almost constantly invading other countries when in power too
      – Obama was also very keen on ignoring the constitution to disarm the populace also like Hitler
      . . the list of similarities is endless.
      
      Facts vs your feelingz
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:50am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Exactly
        Obama…”Travon Martin could have been my son”
        My first thought
        What? Your son would have been an expelled from school drug dealer who died trying to kill a man?
        Or
        Did you mean …because he was black?
        
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        April 14, 2018 2:59pm
    - dime
      
      lol stephie is just racist. cant handle the thought of a smart black man.
      
      so it finds the same hitler thing everytime sowells name is mentioned.
      
      cant debate facts, just the hitler thing..
      
      stephie would probably hand thomas from a tree if he could
      
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      April 14, 2018 12:42pm
- PhilBest
  
  Which is a very similar way of looking at it, as my own “Vichy” label for “centre right” governments who pretty much follow the program of their long-term enemies, all while presenting an illusion “not to have actually lost the war”.
  
  Simon Bridges says they wouldn’t repeal the petrol tax. Actually, I don’t believe they’ll repeal the ban on offshore drilling either, or anything they say they will repeal – going by the last time they had 3 terms in government.
  
  They might even pass a water tax themselves if Jacinda doesn’t get around to it, just like they passed an Emissions Trading scheme that Helen hadn’t quite got around to. Especially if they end up in a coalition with the Greens (how low can they go?)
  
  There’s a wealth of facts out there that could and should be used as ammunition in the political arena, by the political right – letting the Left’s lies win all the time is certainly deserving of the label “Vichy”.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    Phil Best, put your weird political ideas to the voter.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:46am
    - 4077th
      
      Is the power still off over at the Stranded today?
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:51am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Alternatively. What would happen if the CoL took their scorched Earth policies to the ballot box today. NZ 1ST and the Greens would be gone. Labour would be on 22%
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:54am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Well you might want to listen to the interview Shane “I’m a bit of a movie buff but not a fan of the buff movies” Jones gave after the oil/gas decimation announcement. A supreme example of pompous about face you will never, ever encounter.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:13am
- PhilBest
  
  I don’t believe the Nats will restart Charter schools either. Or restart highway building. Or restore the “3 strikes” law. There should have been 300 charter schools going after 3 terms in office, in fact the whole system should have been moved to “parental choice” and “funding following the child”.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:15am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    You may be right Phil but I would also consider the fact a majority single party government is in the making thanks to this inept shambles of a coalition. If that happens then watch this space. They won’t be hamstrung by the two faced Maori party or slimy Peter Dunne.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:20am
    - PhilBest
      
      Knowing some of the Nats MP’s, it will require a victory on the part of those who have principles deep down inside and have been biding their time, versus the ones that pretty much tossed a coin to decide whether to become candidates for National, Labour, or The Greens. The ones who never read anything written by anyone to the right of Noam Chomsky all their lives, and who think “Hayek” is a Mexican actress.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:28am
      - PhilBest
        
        Two anecdotes: one on public record: Rodney Hide taking Dr Vincent Gray along to talk to Wayne Mapp about global warming, and Mapp wouldn’t even see him.
        
        A friend of mine went to see his local National MP years ago, and talking about his concerns, gave her a copy of an article by Ian Wishart to read. Not only would she not read it, she refused to ever talk to my friend again because he had shown himself up as a dreadful far right-wing nut.
        
        VICHY! VICHY! VICHY!
        
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        April 14, 2018 8:53am
    - stephieboy
      
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      SC , what is the real measure of voter support for you out there.
      
      Own up. Zilch!
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:48am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        I’m not running for anything or do you need remedial reading comprehension.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:16am
  - peterwn
    
    They will restart highway building just as the post Clark National Government did – lack of highway building will be a major driver in Col’s defeat if not in 2020 then 2023. Agreed there would be no widespread electoral advantage in re-starting charter schools or reintroducing 3 strikes.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:30am
    - PhilBest
      
      The “no widespread electoral advantage” is BECAUSE no political argument is being made and the entire national political agenda is being set, by default, by lefty MSM writers and talking heads. Trump has shown it is possible to take them on head-on and show them up, instead of being their doormat all the time.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:50am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No, it should be three strikes plus.
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:35am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Rather ironically you refer to principles – Winston -he’s really clinging to his isn’t he. The enquiry king hasn’t made a squeak about the dodgy behaviour even from the Minister for Open government. Spinelessness – Jacinda – any half decent leader should have chopped one or both of Kirton or Curran as I believe this will come back to bite. Why is it only the RNZ employee gets chopped?
  This lot will cling tooth and nail even if the only trump card they have finishes and they return to Andy support levels.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:27am
  - peterwn
    
    That is what happens – if you have to produce a scalp you produce from someone lower down. Anyway I think Carol Hirchfield will be the next chair of RNZ.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:34am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Wouldn’t that be a huge ‘Fuck you” to the taxpayer!
      
      But given the COL is one gigantic FU, you could be right.
      
      Nice call peterwn. Shame I can only give one uptick.
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:59am
  - PhilBest
    
    I have frequently condemned Winston on that very point. Every single person I know who voted for Winston is spewing now – and what is more, I warned them all against voting for him in the first place. I think he must intend to retire this term after achieving his dream of becoming “PM”, because he surely knows he has shafted his support base more comprehensively than ever before in his entire career.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:45am
    - namron
      
      My fear is that Winston might get a knighthood in the Queen’s Birthday honours in June! [when he could be Acting Prime Minister!]
      
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      April 14, 2018 1:52pm
- Chris R
  
  What a stupid comment. You ought to be embarrassed. It was hardly the right of centre who oiled-up the guillotine in the French Revolution, rather it was the unwashed, unthinking losers who today are well represented in this country amongst the trades unionists, sociology departments and the Greenie Party.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:00am
lifesgood

There are strong rumours circulating on Twitter that a coup is brewing in Labour. Fat boy, Robbo, Twit Twyford and nasty Parker are jostling to replace the worst PM ever….are any of them any better?
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April 14, 2018 8:05am
- fernglas
  
  That would have to be one of the most unlikely rumours ever. Labour is stuffed without Ardern, and all of them know it.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:12am
  - Colville
    
    Yip. Labour would be under 20% in a heartbeat if it wasn’t for the pregnant mouthpiece.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:17am
    - Chris R
      
      I hope you’re right but I am not at all sure. Grant Robertson is an idiot, Twyford is a hideous snob but Parker is astute. He knew exactly the right response to Donald Trump’s announcement re the TPPA. I think a Parker led Labour would survive comfortably until 2020…after that I wouldn’t make a bet other than to say Bridges wouldn’t win against Parker. (Judith would though.)
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:04am
      - sooty
        
        I think it would depend if the unions were behind it or not.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:54am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Parker’s a weasel. I agree the other’s are just stupid.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:55am
      - dubya
        
        Parker usually waits until someone has a stroke to replace them, rather than a pregnancy.
        
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        April 14, 2018 12:15pm
      - dime
        
        put the lotion on or it gets the hose parker?
        
        didnt he do the dirty on his partner or something?
        
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        April 14, 2018 12:45pm
  - lifesgood
    
    You are not allowing for massive egos.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:01am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    But Jacinda is only any use during an election and that’s 2.5 years away. And they might be regretting the deal to make Winnie King, they could say “new leader, new deal” what’s Winnie going to do? Side with the Nats? They can never trust him again and they know if he throws his toys out NZ 1ST are history if there iz an election..
    
    It’s a good call from lifesgood
    
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    April 14, 2018 11:04am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Are they that bright. Self interest, blinkered vision.
    
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    April 14, 2018 11:11am
- Viking2
  
  Ha, well I would not be surprised. took the time to watch/listen again to the video of the oil announcement.
  The expressions and the body language is amazing to watch let alone the words from Jones.
  
  I suspect that there is plenty of scrapping going on.
  I would guess that this announcement was made because the Greens have issued an ultimatum to the COL. Do this or we are movin on. The whole presentation in the video points directly at that sort of action. The only one smiling is Shaw with supercilious smile. Jones hides his face in a face wipe and his words are just mindless crap and he has an expression the doesn’t hide his telling porkies given this an about face to his previous position. Megan Woods looks like she has swallowed a stinking turd and Jacinda ain’t that Happy. All in all a Green fiasco I think.
  Doomed to failure.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103078353/jones-looked-a-little-green-and-it-wasnt-envy
  
  Have another look.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:15am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Shaw is interesting. Expressionless eyes and seems very unaware of the reaction of others around him. He is seldom challenged openly which is a shame because of the times he has, he has not reacted at all well. I strongly suspect he is psychopathic.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:25am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I thought Shaw had cold, expressionless eyes the first time I saw he appeared on TV after his arrival in the GangGreens. There is a zealot there that most don’t see. My old mum and I were discussing Marama Davidson as the new co-leader of greens because she thinks JAG is a horrible individual. Then she said she liked James Shaw and I told her he was dangerous and he has cold eyes. She laughed at me. Time will tell old girl… ?
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:56am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Your mum thinks JAG is dangerous but Davidson isn’t?
        
        I would take JAG anyday
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:29am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Mum, well into her 80’s, is annoyed at JAG’s announcement about old men and wanting to put us all on public transport. I said the co-leadership choice was between JAG, a greenie nutter and Davidson, a dangerous socialist. She didn’t know about Davidson’s deeply socialist background.
        She can’t stand Winston Peters either.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:49am
    - Chris R
      
      I strongly suspect he is pathetic. Jimmy “two Mums” Shaw is not a leader as he displayed when he allowed Turei’s criminality to all but destroy his ridiculous party. Perhaps Turei ought to have remained simply to finish off this unthinking envy-ridden gang of bandits.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:44am
  - PhilBest
    
    National and Labour always should have gone into a “Grand Coalition”. Oliver Hartwich suggested it, I suggested it. They have a lot more in common than either of them has with the Greens or Winston. Cut the loonies and political chameleons out of it.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:48am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yes, I agree, it would be a lot better than the clusterfuck of dictators we have now. A lot of what the COL is doing is very much a de facto dictatorship.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:34am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Thanks Viking. It seems to be well down the list of news on the Stuff site now.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:07am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Whats with Jacinda’s head bobbing. It’s almost as she prepared the speech and is nodding in agreement to the statements as they pop out. Look at her, not at wanker Jones ( I only watched a few seconds, don’t want to vomit this early on a Saturday morning…)
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:18am
- Paulus
  
  No – the Unions will keep Angry Andy – beard and all at the next Labour Party Conference.
  No young Labourites will be invited without their parents permission.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    They all have to wear chastity beelts as well.
    But who wil hold the keys?
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:46am
- MrTips
  
  Lifeisgood: gotta link for that? Depends who is saying it.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:08am
- Ross12
  
  There is no way there will be coup in the normal sense of the word. There could be a carefully managed change, when the baby arrives with Ardern saying she cannot do both things at once.
  If you are proved correct , lifesggod, and I’m wrong (assuming a change occurs) then these guys are not only hopeless at governing but hopeless at basic politics.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Of course Calamity Cindy will return like General McCarthy – she is a middle aged Wonder Woman so can do everything.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:03pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Surely it is more likely that they are positioning for Cindy not returning after having the baby. There is no chance they could roll her in a contested selection process.
  
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  April 14, 2018 10:36am
duggledog

Lifesgood –

Behold, the very reason foreign corporates wanted the ability to sue the New Zealand Government (during the TPP negotiations).

An unelected, cobbled-together shambles of an administration unilaterally and with little mandate or consultation vows to ban all future oil & gas exploration. I actually think this might be stupidity on an unprecedented level in recent NZ history.

Foreign capital will be looking very carefully but also cannily at this nation right now and it’s just heartbreaking.

Some (like me) will optimistically think gravity and laws of nature will assert themselves and all will be well in a year or two. Sadly, some will decide to withdraw and come back in a few years to buy up cheap from the smouldering ruins.

Seen it before.

Who can forget Lange saying ‘I need New Zealanders to understand the enormity of the situation we find ourselves in’ or similar words.

Jacinda looks terrible. The words ‘wan’ and ‘drawn’ were made for the way she appears. Babies in utero do not like stress or travelling. God forbid.
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April 14, 2018 8:07am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have no sympathy for her “situation”. She effectively misled New Zealand voters by not revealing her intention to get pregnant. How many “luvvies” would have voted for her knowing that in a few months she would be handing the reigns over to Fucking Winston Pol Pot Peters? Hope she gets medically banned from flying home.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    Worse than that she was already pregnant when she accepted office and Winston knew that. Our whole situation is simply outrageous and if it wasn’t really happening, would be unbelievable.
    The rumours are purported to have come from the labour camp @geoff News of New Zealand
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:22am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Who was the wit on here who described that secretive pregnancy as “the immaculate deception”.
      That poster was brilliant.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:40am
  - Viking2
    
    I agree. Deceived the voters of NZ.
    
    Little must be feeling shafted as well. His home electorate (which he has never managed to win ), is of course Taranaki. Wonder if he will hang his hat there again?
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:22am
    - Longknives
      
      Not a lot of sympathy for Andrew Little from me.
      This is the guy who is prepared for some ‘Collateral Damage’ when he releases Murderers and Rapists from jail. (All so Jacinda can Virtue Signal her way to a UN job..)
      I hope the ‘Collateral Damage’ is his family and not mine.
      Wanker.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:42am
- si_rangi
  
  I want to know why she isn’t taking the full 26 weeks parental leave that her government pushed for and made law when they took office. Surely it’s a little bit hypocritical to not do so? Her workplace Minister Lees-Galloway should be having a quiet word to her. It was he who said “The Government is committed to giving children the best start in life and longer paid parental leave is just the first step in that direction”. Or is Clarkee taking the remaining 18 weeks?
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    26 weeks parental leave is for the hoi-polloi.
    When you can afford nannies and have extended family on tap, then you can pretend to be wonder woman and live the dream.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:55am
- Harkman
  
  Ha, Parker was scoffing at Trump warming to the TPP. Trust me whatever Labour claims to have gotten out of the negotiations, they’ll be out the window if the US wants back in and all the other countries will give Trump everything he wants. Their economy is simply too big. There is only one thing worse for NZ than the original TPPA, NOT being in the TPPA.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkaman,
    
    Trump is calling backsies on exiting the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal
    
    Trump has directed his economic advisers to look into renegotiating the US back into TPP.
    
    By Tara Golshan Apr 12, 2018, 2:05pm EDT
    
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/12/17230058/trump-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-renegotiate
    
    This with the President’s current debacle over steel and Aluminium Tariffs which has hit his heartland farmers with higher machinery and equipment costs.
    
    Also, their soya and Sorghum trade threatened by China retaliatory tariffs.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:00am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Morning Stephie. Place was great until you started fingering the keyboard. Now, Fuck Off.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:20am
      - KiWombat
        
        He suffers from clue deficit disorder !
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:29am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        And all the single, lonely, downticks started appearing… Bit like you, (Stephieboy) single, lonely downticked. (Goats don’t count and on that matter I see goat meat is the new rage. How’s that for the complete deal, a shag and a meal all in one!)
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:15am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    China is certainly finding that out. Trump seems to be calling the shots in that little argument over tariffs and access.
    
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    April 14, 2018 11:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Having worked for a group of major US financial offshore tax haven consortium the US will not join the TPP unless they get “everything” their way.
    Unfair practice to them is the bloke who hits them first.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:08pm
    - Komata
      
      PauluS
      
      Very true. ‘Fair Trade’ in American parlance means all and anything that advantages ONLY them.
      
      Everything else is automatically ‘UN-fair’.
      
      It has been ever thus.
      
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      April 14, 2018 2:29pm
starboard

When is the next Liarbour underage sexual molestation party due?
Who was the molesterer at the last one?
Is he going to be held accountable?
Bit more serious than the ponytail ‘saga’
they constantly beat off about.
Vile hypocritical Filth.
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April 14, 2018 8:10am
- nasska
  
  ….”Is he going to be held accountable”…..
  
  No. He’ll be awarded a high list placing & be groomed for future Labour leadership.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  Has the perp shaved his beard off ?
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:22am
- Inandout
  
  Expect no offender’s name until after the furore that will follow the royal baby’s arrival. I would love to know what pressure has been put on the victims’ parents, and what form it took. I can understand a dyed in the wool Labour parent being loyal to the Party, but as the CoL disintegrates surely such loyalty would take a back seat? The offender’s identity is out there offshore, but with how Facebook and Google are acting at present, I suspect it may be very hard to discover.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:31am
  - G152
    
    Just name all the males who attended that event..
    The innocent will dob the KF in
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:43am
Awww C-mon

Troll School, even on weekends!

Lesson #4, Be consistent with your targets, play the ball not the man

Or the woman as the case maybe! consistency in playing the ball, or sticking to the subject will lead to another key benefit, carrying on like a butt-hurt bi-atch with passive aggressive wording and content will naturally cease as a your trolling and commentary improves.

Following these first 4 points:

1. Know the rules
2. Have a plan
3. Know your subject matter
4. Play the ball not that man

Should lead to more positive experiences for your fellow bloggers, in fact at this stage you risk no longer becoming a troll but actually a contributor!

Today’s lesson is bought to you but the Hamilton Expressway, A road that is fucking awesome! Take a hint Robbo
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April 14, 2018 8:11am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  5. Have a plan to troll every person you meet.
  
  😉
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    6. Don’t be afraid to challenge sweeping assertions, gross generalisations and unsubstantiated claims.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:04am
    - KiWombat
      
      Don’t think – it might sprain your brain
      Are you always so stupid, or is today a special occasion ?
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:20am
    - 4077th
      
      You mean like, NZ is Racist as fuck?
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:59am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      See what happens when you try and get ahead of yourself Stephie-keen, downticks to oblivion.
      
      Keep Calm and Be Patient.
      
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      April 14, 2018 11:20am
- sooty
  
  Can you give stephie some homework.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:51am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Working towards it Sooty…
    
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    April 14, 2018 11:20am
AgainstTheFlow

After the ban on oil and gas exploration, I wonder how many other extremely bad ideas have to be announced because they were the price of the Coalition?

The 39-page Labour/NZF secret plan must have some shockers in it.
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April 14, 2018 8:16am
Humble Capitalist

All we need is a petition with 1% of the population to get the Barque Gas Prospect underway potentially creating 6000 jobs and $32 billion in royalties. Just think North Otago could be a success story like Taranaki and this government is all about the regions. Some of the royalties can go towards cleaning our waterways and towards the carbon neutral target. We won’t even have to start importing gas in 2028!
Cindy will stop half way through child birth to meet the hairy arsed petition presentation on parliament steps.
There will then be a 7am announcement the following day at a Polyrech in Oamaru that it’s all on.
1% folks that’s all we need. F-all manifesto policy, f-all consultation and f-all in house debate. This is how democracy works in NZ.
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April 14, 2018 8:17am
- Harkman
  
  You’re right, just treasonous. I’d love it if one of these oil/gas prospectors currently searching came out and said “We’ve just found at least $40b in gas but we aren’t going to do anything until there’s a change in government.” That would be a birthday and a Christmas present all wrapped in one.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:50am
Liberty

Are the Greens to thick to Google,

“Auckland Transport was awarded $500,000 from the EECA Low Emission Vehicles Contestable Fund towards one of the buses and charging infrastructure. Auckland Transport’s contribution towards the cost of the buses is $1.21m.”

$1.2m to try out 2 buses

When you can buy a Electric bus for US$40,000

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/40-seaters-monocoque-body-electric-city_60671131464.html?spm=a2700.7724857.main07.12.e0242967MO51

Then it would have chinese sounding name. That might be a bridge too far for Col.
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April 14, 2018 8:20am
- Paulus
  
  Electric buses will only work if you have electricity.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:25am
  - yossarian
    
    Don’t worry, we’ll burn some huntly coal for that… ops
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:47am
  - Liberty
    
    “Electric buses will only work if you have electricity”
    That is true but the supply will be fine for a couple of years.
    By then Col would be gone.
    I’m a big supporter of public transport. But it has to be competitive.
    Buying gold plated buses when you can purchase a fleet of buses for a similar
    Amount. Is not going to be competitive
    Why reinvent the wheel again with a money wasting wasting trial. A city is a city
    What makes Auckland so different?
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:49am
    - sooty
      
      Someone else has done it all before. If they are still doing it, it works, if they ain’t, it don’t.
      It’s not rocket science!
      But just think of the trough and junkets.
      
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      April 14, 2018 10:13am
    - Komata
      
      Liberty
      
      Re: ‘What makes Auckland so different’?
      
      ‘Aucklanders’! (Well, you DID ask 🙂 )
      
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      April 14, 2018 2:24pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In most countries, electric cars are coal-powered cars.
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:07am
    - Komata
      
      Odakyu-sen
      
      Shhh, you’re not supposed to have noticed that….
      
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      April 14, 2018 2:31pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Dear Komata,
        
        My most humble apologies.
        
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        April 14, 2018 5:25pm
  - chwaga
    
    Electricity only works if you have insulation and guess where modern insulation comes from
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:30pm
rightoverlabour

Is this the start of the Nanny State telling us how much we can drink? The best is the example of falling down the stairs… FFS
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/drinks/103090986/new-study-reveals-alcohol-is-more-dangerous-than-we-thought

Look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Most of the highest ranking countries are well known for their wine consumption. Look at Italy for example!

So I am telling them a big Fuck You and will consider upping the amount consumed forthright.
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April 14, 2018 8:20am
Manolo

It is all on between Comey and Trump:
https://nypost.com/2018/04/13/comey-its-possible-trump-was-with-hookers-peeing-on-each-other/

Ex-FBI Director James Comey said “it’s possible” President Trump was with hookers “peeing on each other” in Moscow, according to excerpts of a new interview released Friday.
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April 14, 2018 8:22am
- Inandout
  
  You know of course Comey has been compared to JK Rowling in the area of fiction. Questions are being asked as how this guy can release a book whilst Mueller is in ‘full investigative’ mode.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:41am
  - Harkman
    
    I caught 10 seconds of Hannity last night and the links between Strzok, Comey, Mueller, McCabe and others is astounding. No other western democracy would call this a neutral investigation. Comey is simply using the parts of the Steele dossier that he dismissed publicly to sell books and smear Trump. I hope he ends up doing time.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:55am
    - MCos
      
      That’s a long ten seconds.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:09am
Happychappy

Andrew Little as Labour’s Mr Fix It Man ha ha he couldn’t run a piss up at a brewery. People who make comments like this forget what a failure he has been, led the largest decline in Union membership inthe Unions history, failed to win the safe Labour seat of New Plymouth twice in 2011 and 2014 and failed miserably as Leader of the oppostion with support never getting above 34% and that is being generous finally relinquishing the job to a Woman that went on to Govern NZ with the help of Winston Peters and the Greens. That the re’sume that will fix NZ problems.
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April 14, 2018 8:26am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  That’s because he gives people of all persuasions the thrupenny bits
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:40am
Justitia

New Zealand is fucked. We are living in a dictatorship run by smug puerile student polllies kept in power by incoherent geriatric fart.
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April 14, 2018 8:27am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Justitia,
  The problem will solve itself over time.
  The students will grow up and get mortgages, and the geriatrics will die off.
  
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  April 14, 2018 10:09am
Monique Watson

My brother saw a black witch doctor in Kenya with a massive cock, so he asked him how he could get a cock like that.
The good doctor said he had to stretch it, by tying some string round it and hanging two bricks from it for four hours a day for a week.

A week later he asked “Has it worked?”

“I’m half way there” Bro replied.

“What d’ya mean half way?”

“Well it’s turned black”….
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April 14, 2018 8:33am
- MCos
  
  And he’s the smart one in the family . . . . .
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:11am
rightoverlabour

If stuff comments are anything to go by I think the tide has turned, not one Commie Bastard has commented yet. ( at 8:32)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103078353/jones-looked-a-little-green-and-it-wasnt-envy
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April 14, 2018 8:33am
- lifesgood
  
  Hope so! But give the commie bastards time, they’ve got to get up to Ponsonby for their smashed avo on toast first!
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:38am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Oh, I get it now.
    
    Smashed avocado on toast is the new Eggs Benedict!
    
    (Why didn’t I see this coming?)
    
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    April 14, 2018 5:28pm
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  The extreme left’s favourite rant (AKA The Daily Blog) hasn’t even mentioned the oil and gas ban.
  
  They must be working out how it is good for socialism to close down an industry in the provinces..
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:52am
- Monique Watson
  
  The lazy fuckers haven’t got out of bed yet.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:57am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Now they have. Interesting the number of times the word “dictator/dictatorship” appears. However, I reckon the spilt is about 90/10 in terms of comments. I have never seen that before on a political article on Stuff. Left comments seem desperate ( as they do here on Kiwiblog). This could give Jones and like minded an opportunity to save their political futures, walk now….
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:08am
- thedavincimode
  
  The other good news in all of this is that angry has just shat on all the people whose shoulders carried him into Parliament in the first placw. I wonder how his union constituency feels.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:37am
cas

If Jacinda is virtue signalling about our carbon emissions she could have done a wonderful virtue signal by staying at home and SKYPing the Queen and Prince Charles and CHOGM.
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April 14, 2018 8:35am
- thedavincimode
  
  Does that mean she shouldn’t have flown over there on Air Force 0.01 burning up the ozone layer. Or perhaps she needed an empty 757 to cart some new clothes home.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:49am
  - mikewasmild
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    You seem to have overlooked hole in the ozone layer is reducing, thanks to an international agreement negotiated over thirty years ago. Perhaps you would like to see a similar success story with carbon emissions.
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:52am
    - thedavincimode
      
      I see. So she should have flown to the UK in an empty 757 and left angry and porno to deal with the fallout over her announcement of job losses in the gas and related servicing industries.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:08am
      - mikewasmild
        
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        You have three different questions there. But maybe I should indulge you.
        Should the PM attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in the UK and meet Her Majesty? – Yes, she should
        Should the PM use an RNZAF jet for travel to and from the UK? – I guess that depends on the travel requirements – itinerary and number of people travelling, so, um, maybe?
        Should she remain in New Zealand to answer questions about the decision to allow no new exploration permits after 2030, rather than let cabinet ministers explain the policy? – No.
        Anything else you need explained?
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:22am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Two out of three wrong there and another implicit wrong answer by not addressing the hypocrisy. Sorry old thing, that’s a fail.
        
        Sadly (and of course I don’t mean that), if any further proof were required that your socialist princess is a spineless puppet for those around her, this is it. Unlike you, I think the announcement of closure of the oil and gas industry and its downstream consequences is a big deal. Her pitiful and gutless responses to the sex assault allegations, her gutless responses to the nz first corruption with the regional fund, porno shooting his mouth off and now this reveal that in reality she’s a sock puppet with no idea and even less concern about the damage she does. Fancy timing this so she can run away overseas and let others deal with it. I have to hand it to klerkula, none of this would have happened on her watch but then as PM she was never a silly little girl playing student politics. She would also have been smart enough to not reveal that Trumpy wasn’t as ‘orange’ as she expected him to be.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:33am
      - niggly
        
        Nor call a US president an “arsehole” (Trump in this case) when being interviewed by the MSM.
        
        Even Clark had the smarts to never say publicly what she really thought of leaders she didn’t agree with! In fact she did her best to work constructively with them for NZ’s sake even if their “politics” didn’t align (Bush)!
        
        The silly school-girl promoted well above her abilities has so much to learn but isn’t even prepared to!
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:47am
      - mikewasmild
        
        So, you didn’t agree with my answers, but chose not to debate those but instead launch into a less-than-hinged tirade about all the the failings you observe.
        Which point could you have a rational discussion about?
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:48am
      - thedavincimode
        
        You’re not having a good day are you? You deliberately ignore the juxtaposition of her travelling in the least environmentally efficient manner with her exploration announcement and the economic significance of it and you expect me to address your transparent squirrel responses. No.
        
        And what you assert is an unhinged tirade merely links this latest bout of shameless hypocrisy and spineless behaviour to other instances confirming that adern is a vacuous and utterly pointless flake. Poor old you stepping up to the plate to defend her day in day out. Even the media now seem to think she’s a waste of space.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:01am
      - mikewasmild
        
        I didn’t call it an unhinged tirade; it was less-than-hinged.
        Why has your usual good humour evaporated?
        You want me to address the hypocrisy you perceive in the PM flying overseas by jet immediately after announcing a move away from the exploitation of fossil fuels in New Zealand? Can I do that, or would your response throw in all the other things that seem to have put you in such a bad mood?
        
        So, an end to oil and gas exploration from 2030. Consistent with the government’s policy to move to carbon zero. But, it’s twelve years away, man. Plenty of time for your mob to get back in and change the policy. But that’s not what they do, is it? You I and both know that next time National is in power they will happily run with whatever policies Labour has introduced – see Familes, Working for; Scheme, Emissions Trading; and Loans, Interest-free for Students.
        As for the travel, I have already said that I don’t know the itinerary or passenger numbers. It is entirely possible that a commercial flight would have been more carbon-efficient. But I’m not sure that you are seriously suggesting that our PM should not represent us overseas because you are worried about her carbon footprint.
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        April 14, 2018 10:13am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Goodness milky, you really are plumbing the depths now. You’re tossing squirrels around because you’re concerned that if you actually address the point it might upset me?
        
        Maybe take some time-off this weekend as I suggested. You’ve plenty of work ahead.
        
        As for my state of hingedness, I’m afraid that I come from the school that views anything being less than completely hinged in all respects as being unhinged. But then I acknowledge the view in your political sphere that there may be different hues of reality; for example that bare-faced lying is more appropriately described as ‘mis-speaking’.
        
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        April 14, 2018 11:06am
  - NZpatriot
    
    CO2 emissions don’t harm the ozone, that’s HFCs etc.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Presumably along side Calamity Cindy and her doxy will be as many sycophantic media people as possible for photo shoots.
    Free flights too.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:13pm
- mikewasmild
  
  What an excellent and original point.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:50am
  - sooty
    
    Did you ly awake all night to think up that one. Just imagine if you went a week without sleep. It would be a ripper!
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:55am
    - mikewasmild
      
      I was trying to match the boldness and originality of cas’s excellent witticism. Sadly, I fell short.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:06am
      - thedavincimode
        
        It wasn’t edgy enough. Remember, milky be mad now.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:15am
      - mikewasmild
        
        I’m not sure that my madness is a match for some of the truly crazy denizens of Kiwiblog.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:24am
      - thedavincimode
        
        That was a bit of a flat come-back, but then you’ve had to work overtime with porcelain chops fucking things up at every turn and ztev and gabby in the sin bin. Why not take the weekend off and come back revved up on Monday. There’s bound to be another shitload of liebour disasters to deal with next week as well.
        
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        April 14, 2018 9:42am
    - MCos
      
      Fifteen minutes
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:13am
rightoverlabour

Hmm, how long before one of our COL try this type of stint?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/13/doj-ig-releases-explosive-report-that-led-to-firing-ex-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe.html

MAGA
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April 14, 2018 8:44am
Inandout

If you have a Google account sign in to find out how much info you have given them. If you use Google on your phone you are being tracked in the most Stasi-like way. I have wiped everything that I consider personal.
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April 14, 2018 8:45am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I wouldn’t worry too much, to become invisible one would have to stop using eftpos, atms, flybuys, the internet. The worst they are doing is sending adds for Russian Brides. This, however, could be a concern. Look at the videos.
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43751276
  
  However, unless you are threatening to assassinate some politician or are a member of some underground gang, (or you are dating an Emirates Hosty while Partners preggy and flying away a lot) you don’t really need to worry.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:53am
  - Inandout
    
    Do a bit of digging around Google and see what has been retained and what has been deleted, especially in the area of photos. WO must have a library of unauthorised photos because most of what he publishes are now gone in Google search. Even that fat lesbian with the t-shirt saying in effect she won’t be groped, now has her face removed.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:54am
Paulus

Did I not understand that the great one time Labour Speaker (worse ever on record, but Trevor close) has been given money to sort out the Nurses pay.
God forgive them that they are so desperate to bring back such a person.
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April 14, 2018 8:46am
- sooty
  
  Puddles running empty, with all them troughs running.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:58am
rightoverlabour

Now this looks interesting…

One way to create a militia without anyone getting suspicious! It’s only a dating club!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/13/pro-gun-dating-site-aims-to-connect-second-amendment-lovers.html
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April 14, 2018 8:46am
- mikewasmild
  
  Guns + Lovers = ?
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:54am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Not too many blanks fired….
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:03am
    - mikewasmild
      
      From the pistols anyway, which might be simple compensating devices for other fundamental inadequacies.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:07am
sooty

Haven’t you got a big gun in your pants.
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April 14, 2018 8:59am
EAD_TWO

For those following the Syrian so called “chemical attacks”, this is a must watch as the former head of British Armed Forces gets cut off by Sky when he goes off-script on Syria:

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/984789066569998338

Makes you wonder what the MSM is trying to hide….
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April 14, 2018 9:00am
- wiseowl
  
  Sadly EAD looks like Trump has succumbed .
  An attack on Syria now is wrong and the consequences could be very serious.
  What the hell is the west trying to achieve./
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:08pm
burt

Banning oil exploration, how’s that going to impact people’s KiwiSaver ?
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April 14, 2018 9:01am
- mikewasmild
  
  Why don’t you tell us?
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:08am
  - burt
    
    If I did and I said something you were ignorant about I’d get to watch you make a complete cock of yourself again.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:17am
    - mikewasmild
      
      Well, it’s nice that you have that sort of imagination.
      Did I miss comments from you on the Helen Kelly thread. You are usually good for something relevant about the Trade Hall bombing, like how suspicious it was that Ernie Abbott had a colour TV at a time when you couldn’t afford one.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:26am
      - starboard
        
        Let’s start a new political party. The Silent Majority Party. We will take back our country. Homos, browns, freaks, Willie Jacksons of the world, fit in or fuck off.
        We will close down all govt quangos, women’s affairs, race relations dept etc, all gone overnight. Money saved we will top up funding for our hospitals , double nurses pay etc etc, you get my drift.
        120 pollys. . Gone. We will start again.
        Judges.. Soft ones.. Gone. Build less prisons, contract China and send the Filth over there. The G Burtons of the world will be injected and disposed off.
        Oil exploration, open cast mining etc will be absolutely encouraged. Drill baby, drill. Taxes will be massively cut.. Gst to 25%. Fuel taxes slashed.. Toll roads going forward. Waitangi Tribunal.. Gone.
        Gravy train dismantled. Again, fit in or fuck off. Feel free to add to the list.
        LETS DO THIS!
        Tick green agree, red disagree.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:02am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Ernie Abbott was killed, but his dog, Patch, survived.
        If it had been the other way around, the people of New Zealand would have rioted in the streets and demanded the death penalty for the bombers.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:15am
      - mikewasmild
        
        Let me know when you have signed up 500 members and registered with the Electoral Commission and I’ll think about joining.
        Meanwhile, there should be ample room in your bed-sit for the establishment committee to meet. With the right mirror, your membership will double to two.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:16am
      - starboard
        
        That’s what I really like about you mikey
        … nothing. ?
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:26am
      - burt
        
        mikewasmild
        
        It obviously burns that Kelly was fawning over how well off Abbott was. Take what she said and replace the name Abbott with a wealthy business owner from the time. Image Kelly recalling fondly how she visited ‘wealthy business owners’ big inner city apartment with all the mod cons living a life their workers couldn’t afford.
        
        I’m sure you’ll understand where I’m coming from but I doubt you’ll admit it, just like you can’t admit that union bosses live the life of the CEO’s that the union members fight against.
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:43am
      - mikewasmild
        
        I can understand how you would begrudge an old man a luxury item that you deem too expensive for him.
        You like to judge people by such superficial appearances. It perhaps makes you feel better about yourself, because you certainly would not want to admit that a caretaker for Trades Hall might have been a good person. Does it help you to imagine that he deserved to be blown up?
        
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        April 14, 2018 10:50am
      - burt
        
        Of course he didn’t deserve to be blown up, that was a tragedy and it’s apauling nobody was held responsible for that. But that’s not the point I’m making. The point I’m making, which you appear to be deliberately avoiding, is that he lived a lifestyle the union members couldn’t afford and Kelly remebered him (and that) fondly. I’m making the point she almost certainly would not have recalled fondly business owners living a lifestyle union members could not afford.
        
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        April 14, 2018 11:17am
      - burt
        
        I can understand how you would begrudge an old man a luxury item that you deem too expensive for him.
        
        You need to stop projecting your own union/nanny state command and control mentality onto me mikewasmild.
        
        I don’t begrudge anyone the fruits of their labour/talent or the rewards from the risks they take. I don’t protest people are earning more than “I think they should” like a union member would. I don’t claim all business profits are unpaid wages and I don’t think people should be paid by job title rather than by their individual worth to their employer.
        
        Please stop this pathetic projecting where you try and paint me with the brush from your own ideology of envy.
        
        Make a case Ernie Abbott deserved to live that lifestyle his union members couldn’t afford, but see if you can honestly make that case while still making a case business owners don’t deserve to live a similar lifestyle. Just try to do that without projecting your own world view over mine please.
        
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        April 14, 2018 12:27pm
EAD_TWO

Daniel Hannan makes an ass of himself tweeting trying to say that Enoch Powell was wrong and that: “Britain became multiracial without the unrest that he and so many others predicted.”

Tolerant Fellow calls him out:

https://twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/984784574604595200

Britain now has more people violently killed in a week than they used to in an entire year. They’ve had bombs on buses and trains, soldiers almost beheaded in the streets, policemen butchered , gangs of Nogs warring with machine guns against Paki gangs, mass rapes, “honour” killings, their cities are dangerous unfriendly unsafe scary hell-holes.

Hannan is such a lying POS that is typical of the Permanent Political Class that infests the west. Despite being a “conservative”, his political party “conserve” nothing, least of all actual people of the British Nation.
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April 14, 2018 9:20am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It always amuses me the way that the people who wish to conserve the state of nature (by eliminating introduced mammals) are often the same ones who want to permanently change the makeup of the people of the nation (by introducing new mammals).
  
  Conservative with animals, but progressive when it comes to society.
  
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  April 14, 2018 10:19am
Manolo

Some Obama minions close ranks:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/383008-ex-cia-director-tears-into-trump-your-kakistocracy-is

Former CIA Director John Brennan on Friday went after President Trump over his attacks on former FBI Director James Comey, tweeting that Trump’s “kakistocracy is collapsing after its lamentable journey.”
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April 14, 2018 9:35am
MCos

To my mind the biggest beat up of the Commonwealth Games has been the overreacting to the less than impeccable spur of the moment behaviour of Sam Gaze towards Anton Cooper after an hour and a half of gut busting mountain bike racing.
These two guys are both Kiwis and probably see each other all the time for years, having come first & second in the last Commonwealth Games. It was obvious when they were being interviewed the reporters were trying to drive a wedge between them by asking leading questions of Cooper.
Gaze flew off the handle over some technicality, thought better of it & apologised, first to Cooper & then to all and sundry. He was fined a paltry ammount by the bike people, which reflected the seriousness they saw in the incident.
No drugs, no sandpaper, no fisticuffs.
No suspension, move on.
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April 14, 2018 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  Slightly off but Commonwealth Games
  Why are there so many swimming races – the good old Ossies won 73 swimming medals in 50 different classes in the pool.
  
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  April 14, 2018 2:20pm
cmm

Why do so-called journalists keep perpetuating the lie that we have the second highest incarceration rate after USA?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12031343

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate (perhaps not the best source, but good enough) we’re 69th.

And we’d be way further down the list if the cops in other countries were as good as ours.
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April 14, 2018 9:42am
- mikewasmild
  
  Lazy journalism. I think we are just second-worst in the OECD, but I’d have to check.
  I take it you disagree with Bill English that our imprisonment rate is a moral and fiscal failure.
  
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  April 14, 2018 10:20am
  - mandk
    
    I don’t agree that our imprisonment rate is a fiscal failure.
    
    The cost of investigating and clearing up after crime is huge. And so is the cost of prosecuting crime.
    
    Most people in prison have many convictions and have probably committed many more offenses, so paying to keep them in prison is good value for money.
    
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    April 14, 2018 10:41am
    - Piniwi
      
      Funny mandk as we have been informed from those who know the truth of this issue it takes a tremendous number of conviction to finally get locked up. All be it for the minimal sentence set down resulting in stuff all time being served.
      It was funny watching Davis walk into the trap of acknowledging their catch and release policy so expect that to come up again in OQT. Sadly that won’t be until May day(May 1st) which is that most significant date for some dictatorial nations.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:41pm
  - VicParking
    
    No the people who we put in prison are moral and fiscal failures
    
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    April 14, 2018 12:44pm
  - Viking2
    
    Listen to this and then tell us how you would protect ordinary people from the nasty and bad.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/simonjbridges/videos/1894018467296980/?hc_ref=ARQ6jnRGyUqJag4w1Z_r3M6bmH-bMTQY1boTJV7tzXFi3ZNcuSF45KcVw1B-3hM4kaA
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:58pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks cmm but even with that magical number that can be written forwards and backwards it is still possible for them to get it wrong.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:34pm
sooty

Has anyone seen or heard from Winston Peters! Has he gone missing?
He sent Shane Jones out front, when he should have been supporting Commuist Chick.
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April 14, 2018 10:01am
- kevn
  
  @sooty… Maybe he is prepping up with a blood transfusion to revitalize him for the upcoming pinnacle of achievement (PM).
  
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  April 14, 2018 10:06am
  - VicParking
    
    Chemo lots and lots of chemo
    
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    April 14, 2018 12:42pm
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Consult the NZ Racing Guide to see which club is hosting the Minister today.
  
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  April 14, 2018 10:12am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Actually Winston has started a study, to be conducted by a highly esteemed Australian, into the NZ Racing Board. This should have been done nine years ago, but the previous racing ministers really were a waste of space.
  
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  April 14, 2018 11:12am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Including himself.
    
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    April 14, 2018 11:31am
- Paulus
  
  Peters in Brussels, sorting out the EC I expect.
  
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  April 14, 2018 2:21pm
Manolo

All cultures are equal, insists our practising Muslim stephieboy:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fashion-week-comes-to-saudi-arabiain-modest-style-1523634323

At this catwalk show, only women are allowed to watch, skirts can’t show off the knees and cleavage is strictly forbidden.
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April 14, 2018 10:02am
niggly

Apologies in advance to the good people of Auckland affected by the power outages (this is directed to the Labour/Green supporting luvvies – not them)!

Not happy about having no electricity to light, heat and cook with in your home, these last few days?

Not being able to enjoy a night out with friends dining and drinking coffee at the local cafe whilst discussing the how marvelous the COL govt is by smacking down big-oil?

Well get used to it luvvies, this is a sampler of your carbon neutral Green Party/Labour supporting future, where supply is curtailed and cannot match demand, resulting in less power and gas security and availability.

Oh and get used to paying higher prices for everything as a result, as businesses pass on their higher costs for energy importation on to you, the consumer, luvvies!
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April 14, 2018 10:56am
- Inandout
  
  This is a good place to start.
  http://candles.nz/product-category/pillar-candles/
  
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  April 14, 2018 11:23am
  - niggly
    
    Woah you’ve stumbled across what the COL want to promote as the “transition” solution from oil and gas!
    
    Solves the home lighting “transition” problem – tick!
    
    James and Shane are now working on the “10,000 candle-powered” heater model, and the “20,000” candle-powered oven replacement. And “yes” of course it will work, Jacinda then applies the finishing touches by sprinkling star dust on them as they come off the production line!
    
    Oops unintended consequences aleart – we will need to be felling millions of trees at the same time as Shane’s cuzzies plant new ones – Kiwi’s will need thousands of matchsticks to light the oven!
    
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    April 14, 2018 12:04pm
    - VicParking
      
      Or the use the Green Party trick to keep your head warm, “stick it up your arse”
      
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      April 14, 2018 12:41pm
  - mandk
    
    No, No, those candles really won’t do. They’re made from oil.
    
    I think the CoL should dictate that we will move with immediate effect to beeswax and tallow candles only.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:48pm
- Viking2
  
  You forgot about charging the electric car to get to the eating hose and the bath house.
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:55pm
RF

Just a thought. Will the ban on oil & gas include LPG.

Think of the households with appliances that run on gas.

Also we have heaps of petrol driven vehicles in NZ.
Many of these are second hand dungers as Labours traditional voters are not wealthy.

Just cannot see the above being able to afford battery powered vehicles so I suspect the Luddites want us to ride bikes.

I eagerly await the next political poll as going by recent conversations with complete strangers our COL is going to get a mighty kick in the arse.
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April 14, 2018 11:14am
- thedavincimode
  
  No more barbies I’m afraid. Unless you use charcoal and pay the carbon taxes on it. Hangis exempted of course when put down by the indigenous people for their own use or for the entertainment of non-indigenous peoples who pay a koha.
  
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  April 14, 2018 11:19am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Colmar Brunton coming out in a couple of days, although possibly done before this oil announcement.
  
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  April 14, 2018 11:26am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Announcement neatly timed to slot in between the Colmar Brunton polling and porcelain chops skipping the country to avoid the fall-out and embarrass us with the Queen and the Commonwealth fraternity.
    
    I expect they’re hoping that $25m ‘scandal’ they’ve invented regarding Middlemore will balance out the multi billion dollar consequences of the oil and gas announcement.
    
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    April 14, 2018 11:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      But thedavincimode the real target was to get the announcement out before the Commie Chick got to CHOGM so she can top Lengies nuclear moment. Remember this is her generations equivalent while we wait in anticipation of the global warming scam to be finally exposed. Then it will be confirmed to the rest of the world that she is truly a vacuous airhead just like we see her at home.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:51pm
- kevn
  
  @RF… I have never owned a new car (don’t choose to, think depreciation) run secondhand ‘dungers’ and I’m not a labour voter.
  Don’t be so ‘broad brush’ with your assumptions. That is a labour trait.
  
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  April 14, 2018 11:38am
  - RF
    
    kevn.
    
    Thank you for the correction.
    
    I was think more about dungers that only shit heads drive. No WOF, Rego, bald tyres etc…..
    
    I have owned dungers but they were safe to drive on our roads.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:24pm
- burt
  
  Also we have heaps of petrol driven vehicles in NZ.
  Many of these are second hand dungers as Labours traditional voters are not wealthy.
  
  The reality here is that wealthy people will quickly switch to electric vehicles which until 2021 will not pay any RUC. So wealthy people get to use the roads (tax free) that are paid for by low income people who can’t afford a fuel efficient vehicle.
  
  The unintended consequences of poorly though out policy.
  
  Oh and lets not forget the irony that Jacinda is spinning around in a Tesla (paying no road tax) while smacking her voters with more petrol tax because they can’t afford a fuel efficient vehicle let alone a Tesla.
  
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  April 14, 2018 12:42pm
  - Viking2
    
    People who look after their wealth don’t buy new cars. A hole with no bottom.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:51pm
fluffykiwi

Given Shane’s regional fund, given Shane’s comments relating to oil and gas in the past and given the comment from Cam slater that Winnie managed to water down the Oil and Gas ban suggesting that labour and the greens wanted to turn the taps off now (large contract payout requirements?)
Surely if Winnie or Shane want a seat in the next parliament NZ First walking on this one piece of legislation would ensure that vote coming from the provinces.
Winnie could have said that it was a bridge too far. So I wonder if Winnie really put up much of a fight on this one. He was in the box seat after all forget any coalition agreement never bothered him before.
That is if he really is concerned about the provinces.
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April 14, 2018 11:25am
- niggly
  
  Reckon its more Winnie slurping WO BS that Winston “watered it down”.
  
  If LabGreens really wanted to halt exploration in an instant as WO claims, the country would have been in an uproar as thousands of people were laid off overnight – there would have been a revolution in the making, or if not, mass on-going protests in the streets throughout the country as economic realities kick in. Who needs that as a Govt?
  
  The Govt’s coffers would have instantly lost up to $500m in royalties and Robbo would have had to coughed up billions out of his fiscal hole to compensate Industry.
  
  Sound like yet more WO spin protecting his keeper WinstonFirst. Speaking of which, where is the drunken dwarf – isn’t he the DPM, what’s his take on this, especially as the Savior for the Regions? Had Enough already?
  
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  April 14, 2018 12:27pm
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps fluffykiwi but do you seriously believe Slater when he badly needs to justify his unconditional support for the old drunk. He needs to make something up to save face. Meanwhile the majority doubt that NZF had any influence in this decision since they too were taken by surprise. Those who believe otherwise will certainly be interested in the bridge for sale.
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:58pm
stigie

This photo of economic sabotage will be around for years to come !~

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April 14, 2018 11:35am
- VicParking
  
  Hear no evil, see no writing on the wall and speak not at all.
  
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  April 14, 2018 12:37pm
Monique Watson

What type of dick-knocker would run their Aston into the path of a storm.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12032415

Especially in Otahuhu. Fuck, hubby hasn’t let me in the BMW since I had a misjudgment two years ago.
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April 14, 2018 11:50am
Anne Glen Eden

I see Lizzie Marvelly is seeking to continue the perpetual whine that NZers are ‘racist’ because of mispronunciation of Maori, echoing Taika Waititi.

Firstly, there is no people in the world who universally speak their language ‘properly’. Just whose version do you accept? The academics? The ‘common people’? The ‘privileged people’? The leaders? The followers? There is no possibility of anything other than a huge and wide variation in spoken language in any population.

Secondly, if anyone wants to hold as a goal a ‘pure’ language, especially spoken language, it can only be even partially achieved by restricting the ethnic identity of the population, and the spoken language, to that one ethnicity/language. That ship has sailed in entirety and forever in NZ. Not only was the choice made 200 odd years ago, I haven’t noticed Maori supporting a policy of zero immigration now, continuing to weaken native NZ ‘culture’ (which includes generations of English, British, South African, Dutch, European (not further defined), European Australian, Samoan, Cook Islands Māori, Tongan, Niuean, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Korean, Middle Eastern/Latin American/African, Others.

It’s an absolutely certain bet to accuse people of ‘mispronunciation’, which can go on forever, having no consistent language authority or standard in the first place, let alone that human beings are incapable of such uniformity at any time. I wonder just how far Maori currently living in other countries have gone to ensure that they speak the languages of their hosts with perfect precision – or how they choose which ‘authority’ to base it on.

I most certainly do not see Taika Waitit as a ‘brave man’. I see him as someone who is completely integrated with ‘other’ culture, to the extent that he can take a minorly prominent place in it, certainly from a NZ perspective. In order to remain ‘popular’ at home and with ‘whanau’ he must engage with and perpetuate the Maori ‘narrative’ of perpetual victimhood, whining about ‘racism’ with accusations which are simply fraudulent. I certainly see him as a ‘sycophantic [Maori] nationalist’ spouting racist ingratiating platitudes.

“He, like many other Māori, has grown up in a New Zealand where the Pākehā way is the default. Pākehā have controlled the narrative, the power, the resources. They still do.”

On the one hand, 90% odd of the country not being Maori, that is a truism and not worth the breath. On the other hand, Maori have huge control of an increasing quantity and proportion of resources and all the sensory input of all NZers, all the time – and most of it malign to the 90% odd. They’re simply abusive, claiming the right to be from their history, and determined that this will persist into eternity.

Whatever ridiculous claims Maori make, or believe they have the right to make, any ‘success’ they have in the world means integrating with it – and that world is not Maori and won’t be Maori. They’re not going to do it with haka and poi; they’re not going to do it with tribal affiliation; they’re not going to do it on marae; they’re not going to do it with racist accusations of racism – however much they may force some NZers into it on a temporary basis. It is a complete fiction to suggest that they can.

I applaud people who value their native ethnicity and culture as part of their identity. I have no time for those who insist that everyone else should have to adopt that to the exclusion of their own. I have even less time for those who are simply irrational.
In the meantime, I have to agree with the eventual summation – “We’re not taking an honest look at ourselves. We’re not making progress….The truth hurts. It will also set us free. But first, it will piss us off.”

The ongoing racist Maori whining and divisiveness is doing NZ no good at all. If Taika Waititi is to be any model of ‘progress’, it lies in his integration and willingness to blend with ‘other’, taking them exactly as they come – human beings with an equal right to their own dignity and self-determination.
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April 14, 2018 12:19pm
- VicParking
  
  Let’s not forget that half the Maori words are “pidgin” English anyway and that there was quite a large diversity in the way Maori was spoken from North to South.
  
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  April 14, 2018 12:35pm
- holysheet
  
  Teke Waititi is a dickhead.
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:05pm
  - Longknives
    
    And Lizzie ‘I once sang at an All Black game so I am an expert on everything!’ Marvelly is a silly,silly little girl.
    
    “Especially when the English names given to many of our largest centres were plastered over Māori names that had been in existence for centuries.”
    ” Auckland whitewashed Tāmaki-Makaurau. Wellington violated the mana of Te Whanganui-A-Tara. Christchurch paved over Ōtautahi, while Dunedin ran roughshod over Ōtepoti.”
    
    Utter Garbage.
    It astounds me that The Herald would print such made-up nonsense.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:22pm
    - Paulus
      
      No – Guyon Espiner every morning on so called Red Radio Morning Report.
      He practices his Maori as he is told to by his Maori wife.
      
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      April 14, 2018 2:26pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Totally agree Anne. It is time for maori to use all their settlement money to take themselves and “their people” forward by taking responsibility, instead of playing the victim card.
  
  Maori need to set their own house in order, start changing chaos into order so they have a firm basis to build on (Jordan Peterson 12 Rules of Life must also work for groups?) Blaming everyone else for their lack of achievement after all the support they have received is getting tiresome.
  
  We will all cheer your success!
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:51pm
  - Komata
    
    WG
    
    Sorry, but it’s unlikely to happen. The rationale as it was explained to me, was that IF every member of (for instance) Tainui was given an equal share of what the tribe had earned or received in ‘settlement’ from the government, there would be those who would quickly spend it and be back at the same place they are at now; poor. Far better to let the tribal ‘financial experts’ invest it and acumulate it and ‘slowly’ use it to help with tribal infrastructure projects as required.
    
    Unfortunately this idealistic view fails at the hurdle of self-agrandisement which sees (again for example), Tainui tribal leaders drive around in late model vehicles and accumulating all sorts of nice trinkets while their tribe’s ‘Lower orders’ still receive government assistance, housing and almost everything else. Meremere is an example that comes readily to mind!
    
    Short of a revolt by the ‘Lower orders’, nothing is going to happen, and such is the tribal mentality that it is accepted that the ‘Tribal Leaders’ are ‘entitled’ to their cars etc as a ‘reward’ for being just that and for making the ‘serious’ decisions for the good of the tribe; decisions that only the ‘Upper Cl;ass’ know how to make, since they are the ‘educated’ ones (Even when they patently aren’t).
    
    With such an entrenched mindset as that, nothing will change.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:56pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Well Komata that as we know would be the silliest way to try and share the windfall but the problem is that as a people they do NOTHING with it for “their” people. If they as a people by tribe or dare we say as a unified group looked at the reason that their people dominate all the wrong statistics they might understand that is “their” problem. They might then initiate a plan to help those in need by working right back their own cultural family ways to bring about change. Starting with whatever little steps are needed to make it work in such a manner that ALL their people can relate to.
      Sadly they ignore them and instead need the Government to pick up the pieces left at the bottom of so many cliffs. Instead they are managing to create a division of resources with so many additional bodies just for them in health, education, welfare and justice adding to costs with no real gains.
      Best example is what has now become a new Ministry of Far Now or Never Health that achieves nothing more than increased health costs not to mention a whole new bunch of bureaucrats. Whites need not apply to avoid disappointment of no appointments.
      Back in the day there was no issue with race for most New Zealanders where Maoris were fewer but purer and we all got along just fine. Now the bloodlines are so diluted it has swelled the numbers and along with that the demands for more “inclusion”. They have never been excluded from anything but always think that playing the race card trumps the whole deck. We would prefer that they would just start with a full deck and understand they can have or be whatever they wish in life just like everybody else. Instead they resort to the them and us mantra that is fertile ground for racism to flourish.
      
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      April 14, 2018 9:48pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Are Maori “racist as fuck” because they so often mispronounce and butcher the Queen’s English?
  
  Oh wait, I forget “It’s OK when the left do it!”.
  
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  April 14, 2018 2:08pm
- Southern Raider
  
  When will Māori learn to speak English properly?
  
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  April 14, 2018 7:56pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND: HOUSING MINISTER PHIL TWYFORD’S UNNECESSARY AND DAMAGING CONFUSION …

… FOCUS ON THE FRINGES … AND THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF …

… Do watch IN FULL this superb interview of New Zealand Housing Minister Phil Twyford by Newstalk ZB Christchurch’s Chris Lynch yesterday (Friday) … where still … sadly … the Minister is failing to FOCUS ON THE FRINGES … so ALL FORMS of development become increasingly affordable … ESSENTIAL VIEWING …

https://www.facebook.com/chrislynchzb/videos/1768362633223469/

… National Opposition Housing Spokesperson Judith Collins outlines what Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern REALLY THINKS of the Unitec development debacle …

Governments backflipping worthy of gold – Judith Collins – NZ National Party

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1804/S00123/government-back-flipping-worthy-of-gold.htm

The Prime Minister and her Housing Minister have been left red-faced and scrambling to explain critical statements Ms Ardern made when in Opposition about plans to build thousands of houses on the Unitec Site in Auckland.

“When reminded of Jacinda Ardern’s statements last year criticising the suitability of the Unitec Site for the then planned 2,600 dwellings, Phil Twyford could not address the concerns raised by his boss. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… LABOUR’S AUTHENTIC GREATS (who really did give a toss about the poor and disadvantaged) Michael Joseph Savage and John A Lee, will be turning in their graves in horror at Ardern’s and Twyford’s grossly expensive dense developments … shockingly … repeating the mistakes of the British …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4

…. as the ‘costs out of control’ bureaucrats at central and local level are still running things to suit themselves (bugger those who pay their wages … and … the wider public interest) … little wonder Housing Minister Phil Twyford is talking nonsense … with only gentle questioning from the Oppositions Judith Collins and Gerry Brownlee …

National’s Judith Collins says the likely small size of the dwellings in the new Unitec development housing area will put pressure on borrowers, as it means banks will require a larger deposit | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/93052/national%E2%80%99s-judith-collins-says-likely-small-size-dwellings-new-unitec-development
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April 14, 2018 12:50pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … while the governments dreadful dense development drivel gets slammed … left, right and centre … led by the Ministers own officials …
  
  MBIE says Kiwibuild may be unaffordable for buyers | Kiwiblog
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/02/mbie_says_kiwibuild_may_be_unaffordable_for_buyers.html
  
  KiwiBuild – otherwise known as “pulling numbers out of your arse” | Infometrics
  
  http://www.infometrics.co.nz/kiwibuild-otherwise-known-pulling-numbers-arse/
  
  Rodney Dickens says section prices are the key to solving the housing affordability problem, not higher density around transport hubs. He warns against force-feeding in areas that won’t deliver the intended outcome … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/92556/rodney-dickens-says-section-prices-are-key-solving-housing-affordability-problem-not
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  … While we are waiting (patiently after 13+ years … since the release of the 1st Demographia Survey early 2005 … http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm ) for progress on REAL issues so that REAL houses can be built for REAL people …
  
  Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
  
  … extract …
  
  Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
  
  Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
  
  JUST TWO QUESTIONS …
  
  1. When are the Auckland Urban Limits to be abolished ?
  
  2. When is bond financing of infrastructure to be introduced nationally ?
  
  Read Ardern / Twyford Section
  http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
  
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  April 14, 2018 12:51pm
  - kevn
    
    @Hugh… We all know and see almost daily the coalition of losers and liars (aka spray and walk away) dropping the ball with everything they touch.
    So what is your solution to the Akld housing issue??
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:42pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Hugh.
    Why don’t you link to all the macrobusiness articles on mass immigration which is the cause of the housing shortage?
    NZ and Australia are pursuing policies that are nonsensical.
    Cut immigration and lift the standard of living.
    
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    April 14, 2018 1:46pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/lessons_to_learn_from_ireland.html/comment-page-1#comment-2187121
    
    Construction Minister Jenny Salesa confident KiwiBuild targets will be met | Newshub
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/04/construction-minister-jenny-salesa-confident-kiwibuild-targets-will-be-met.html
    
    The Government won’t be making it easier for foreigners to get construction work in New Zealand, despite being tens of thousands of workers short.
    
    Construction Minister Jenny Salesa told Newshub Nation on Saturday despite the grim outlook, she’s confident the targets will be met without increasing
    
    “We have 10,700 here on work visas for construction. The majority of our workforce in this area – 256,000 people – are New Zealanders. We’re looking long-term at how we train up our own people… the majority of our workers are New Zealanders, they are local people.” … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    April 14, 2018 6:11pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I’d be fuckin worried about buying a house built by someone called “Jenny Salesa”. Sounds too much like that old joke about Sale getting off the coconut plane and seeing all those free house’s with the “For Sale” sign! 🙂
      
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      April 14, 2018 6:17pm
      - RF
        
        Johnboy.
        
        You have to admit that female Labour MPs are an ugly bunch.
        
        Dear Jenny is a good example.
        
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        April 14, 2018 7:39pm
- stigie
  
  “ESSENTIAL VIEWING” …
  
  Really got better things to do Hugh !~
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:05pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  You posted exactly the same 2 comments on the Lessons to learn from Ireland? thread. Your 12.50 pm comment (this thread) corresponds to your 12.43 pm comment (the Ireland thread). And your 12.51 pm comment (this thread) corresponds to your 12.45 pm (the Ireland thread). And you’ve posted your “JUST TWO QUESTIONS …” several times over the past few weeks.
  
  What does all this mean?
  
  1. Your contributions to the Ireland thread weren’t responsive to the subject-matter of that thread, and could be politely described as link-spamming.
  2. You don’t have original material. When someone asks you a question, all you can do is copy-and-paste something from your link-spam archive.
  3. You need a new hobby.
  4. You don’t have well-honed EQ attributes. I can imagine you as the boring old fart at a BBQ who no one wants to talk to. Actually, you don’t get many BBQ invites, right Hugh?
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:32pm
Manolo

British, French and American missiles raining on Syria.
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April 14, 2018 1:18pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Interesting that this is a multi-level attack – US/British/French jets also in the air, with targeted bombing.
  So it’s not just missiles from ships located in the Mediterranean.
  It will be a fine line not to draw the Russians into this.
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:28pm
- Andrei
  
  So to punish Syria for dead children from a gas attack (which was bogus anyway) the superior Anglos will kill Arab babies wit cruise missiles ri show how civilized they are
  
  Makes no sense to anyone with brains
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:34pm
  - mandk
    
    Dead babies?
    
    Nah, that’s a baathist speciality.
    
    With support from Russia in this instance.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:29pm
Longknives

So all those people shrieking that Israel Folau should be ‘banned from entering New Zealand’ etc etc will no doubt equally condemn his Kiwi Netballer Wife?
Who today supported his comments….

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/04/maria-folua-posts-on-instagram-supporting-husband-israel-over-anti-gay-comments.html
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April 14, 2018 1:25pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Those calling for sanction of Israel Folau (for daring to have an opinion) are just colonialist racists, they can’t stand that a man of colour like Folau has the temerity to speak out in this way without being a Muslim.
  
  They’re trying to force the situation where a fella called “Israel” becomes a follower of Islam where such views would be warmly welcomed in the name of diversity.
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:46pm
Viking2

The United States has launched a joint military strike with the UK and France against Syria, US President Donald Trump has announced.

The attack came in retaliation for a suspected deadly chemical attack in the war-torn country which killed upwards of 80 people in the rebel-held town of Douma.

The United States has launched a joint military strike with the UK and France against Syria, US President Donald Trump has announced.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/103108258/us-decides-on-syria-strike–reports?cid=facebook.post.103108258
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April 14, 2018 1:44pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Bombing Syria is all about Jacinda
  
  What the libtards won’t understand is that Trump is playing 3D chess all the time with socialist cretins, and this:
  – isn’t about teaching Assad a lesson for using chemical weapons on his own people
  – isn’t about making Putin “put up or shut up” with all his posturing in the middle east
  – isn’t about a further show of force for the little Nork dictator.
  
  This is all about one thing, and one thing alone.
  
  This is about making sure that Jacinda’s ban on oil is old news, small beer and trivia when she turns up with the other cucks at CHOGM.
  
  No one is going to pat Gnashers on the butt and tell her what a heroic pregnant woman she is for killing one of NZ’s fastest growing export industries – when Trump is doing his damnedest to start a world war.
  
  The infinitely vain and self-centred little Hillary that is Jacinda is going to be bitter and twisted that Trump has stolen her thunder and that the fish and chip girl is once again less relevant than yesterday’s newspapers.
  
  Altogether …. “Awww poor Jacinda”.
  
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  April 14, 2018 1:53pm
  - kevn
    
    @DP… More like poor JA’s baby. So much air travel and associated CHOGHAM action so close to a June birth date. Airlines strongly suggest an up to 36 week no fly.
    Quite risky.
    
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    April 14, 2018 2:37pm
    - holysheet
      
      Is it a phantom pregnancy?
      
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      April 14, 2018 3:20pm
      - RF
        
        She will have help as the serial fornicator will be close at hand.
        
        He was not trusted to remain behind.
        
        Has anyone warned Fergies daughters that he is heading their way.
        
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        April 14, 2018 7:29pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps DP in more ways than you expect at first glance after the Commie Chick made sure the quick decision to kill an industry that also contributes so much to the public purse. The urgency was to provide a special platform for a soft landing pad for herself at CHOGM. Look at me, I did this.
    It is wise also to note that while being held at “home” this time it is well attended but still only those from that belong to this exclusive group. More colorful than a rainbow parade and about as significant.
    
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    April 14, 2018 9:59pm
Fletch

“Who’s putting up the tax on the petrol
Who’s swallowing the climate change lie?
Who’s capping knees, the energy sector
Everyone knows it’s Cindy.”

(To the tune of Windy, by The Association – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xfJpPNg2SM ).

Can’t think of any more verses yet….
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April 14, 2018 1:56pm
- Evadne
  
  Who’s claimin’ that they care about children
  Then closing the schools that actually work
  Who’s promising to give me a rainbow
  Everyone knows it’s Cindy
  
  Who’s tripping round the photo op’tunities
  Smilin’ at everybody she sees
  Who’s reachin’ out to capture a selfie
  Everyone knows it’s Cindy
  
  And Cindy has scowling eyes
  That flash at the sound of her lies
  Cindy thinks she’s wings to fly
  Above the facts (above the facts)
  Above reality (above reality)
  
  Who’s paying for beers for all of the students
  Saying there’s nothing for anyone else
  Who’s promised the world but can give us nothing
  Everyone knows it’s Cindy
  
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  April 14, 2018 2:14pm
  - RF
    
    Quick. Get Neil Finn to write a song with those words.
    
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    April 14, 2018 5:12pm
    - Evadne
      
      Or Evadne writing a Neil Finn song? Challenge accepted… GD tomorrow.
      
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      April 14, 2018 11:20pm
mandk

I’m sorry this guy got hurt, but riding a bike up the inside of a line of traffic is really not very clever.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/shocking-helmet-cam-video-shows-car-door-hits-cyclist.html
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April 14, 2018 3:07pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m not sorry he got hurt because he’s a fuckwit.
  The only things I’m sorry about is the fact that my taxes had to get used to fix the idiot up in hospital and some poor bastard lost his insurance excess to get his car door fixed.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:17pm
GazzaW

I have been away from KB since Tuesday due to Aucklands power problems and this has probably already been discussed but I need to vent my spleen to those who applauded Sky TVs loss of the Rugby World Cup rights. If TV Ones coverage of last nights the women’s pole vault and shot put at the Comm Games was any indicator of what we are to receive next year from Japan then God help us. It was a continuous programme of ads and Toni Street interspersed occasionally with some Comm Games footage. No continuity, no idea of who or who was not still in the running for medals. It was quite appalling.
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April 14, 2018 3:58pm
Inandout

We beat Oz 4-1 in hockey final. Cindy, Clarke and the Bandit were there for the last quarter before they fly off.
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April 14, 2018 4:20pm
- MrTips
  
  Saw that. I shall refrain from comment.
  
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  April 14, 2018 4:26pm
- Muttonbird
  
  She was there for the whole match.
  
  First gold medal for for the women ever so it just goes to show how much she inspires people.
  
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  April 14, 2018 4:42pm
  - Inandout
    
    Glutinous Muttonous, you really do have a sense of humour. I had heard she was intending to leave early but our winning prompted her to remain.
    
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    April 14, 2018 4:50pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”goes to show how much she inspires people”…..
    
    You could be onto something. The sight of her inspires me to throw up.
    
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    April 14, 2018 4:59pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      That’s because you prefer men.
      
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      April 14, 2018 6:25pm
      - nasska
        
        If White Fang was the last woman left on the planet I would find merit in that suggestion. 🙂
        
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        April 14, 2018 6:30pm
      - itstricky
        
        You gotta admit that, despite any faults he has, as all humans do, that was a bloody good decisive body slam comeback. Put ya partisan pride aside and give the man an large uptick.
        
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        April 14, 2018 8:28pm
    - RF
      
      More opportunities for selfies.
      
      Liz and Phil the Greek will run away screaming when she turns up with her camera wearing those bloody old boots.
      
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      April 14, 2018 7:31pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103109334/new-zealand-accepts-reasoning-behind-usled-strike-on-syria
Our amateur T6 Texans will be right behind the force’s of good in this airstrike said Taxcinda! 🙂
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April 14, 2018 5:28pm
Viking2

boxer gets a gold.
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April 14, 2018 6:00pm
- nasska
  
  Was Chompers there too? 🙂
  
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  April 14, 2018 6:03pm
Johnboy

Oh dear how sad. Poor animal lovers doing what they do best. Passing the problem on to others. I’m always available to inject the poor little furry buggers with highspeed lead! 🙂
Thank Christ we never allowed urban fuckwits to own anything bigger than a Great Dane! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103091529/landlords-left-to-rehome-abandoned-pets
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April 14, 2018 6:09pm
nasska

From JB’s link:

…..”The court found a couple, Kenji and Tieko Osaki, who were renting a property, were not liable for fire damage caused by a pot left on the stove.

“It found that tenants are not responsible for damage caused to a rental property. That has made a lot of landlords already worried about damage even more worried about pet damage and that’s had a definite effect.” “…..

Funny how a law written to absolve tenants from any consequences of their actions has ended up disadvantaging more than a few of them.

https://www.landlords.co.nz/article/6014/tenant-damage-ruling-overturned
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April 14, 2018 6:21pm
- Johnboy
  
  Christ I had to read that twice nasska! I thought Kenji and Tieko had left a “pet” on the stove! 🙂
  
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  April 14, 2018 6:28pm
- Viking2
  
  Been ongoing for a long time. The Nats were to useless to change the legislation covering damage after this court case so it remains and I don’t think that the Col will change it. Basically if the damage is covered by insurance the tenant walks away with no penanlty unless the damage is dekiberate. The first test of this ruling allowed a tenant to walk after their pets damaged a house despite the tenancy agreement saying no pet. The pets were kept inside and pissed and shat all over the place. It went to appeal and it was overruled because the court ruled the damage as a deliberate act.
  Been all sorts of rulings since but the greatest effect has been to up the insurance premiums which unfortunately can’t be passed onto the tenant.
  In the original case that caused the ruling the tenant had a stove fire and the insurance conpany decided to recover the money from the tenant. 18k from memory. Its dragged out for 7 years and at the end the insurance company lost but created grief and the new ruling which in turn is now costing the landlords and insurance companies a lot more money.
  you can read more here:.
  https://www.propertytalk.com/forum/showthread.php?39861-Rental-property-damage-Landlords-liable-court-rules&highlight=osaki
  
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  April 14, 2018 6:57pm
Johnboy

Landlords with any brains would evict all the scum that rent their hovels, drop them on the market and flick them off to the best bidder then let the COL house all their useless mates. For the life of me I cannot see why folk own rentals apart from greed and the hope of vast capital gain. 🙂
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April 14, 2018 7:39pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The capital gain has gone so either the rent has to go up (lots) or the houses get flicked.
  Renters: Stump up and buy or you’ve got a problem.
  
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  April 14, 2018 9:22pm
Southern Raider

Just read a post from Mark Mitchell that Labour is looking to bring in legislation that would make it illegal to call themselves a teacher without a 3 year Batchelors degree.

Means a dance teacher could be fined $2000 for using the term

If true this Govt is more fucked than we thought
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April 14, 2018 7:55pm
- Brigitte
  
  I doubt it’s true. If so it’ll be an interesting period of time coming up given they want to increase the number of registered teachers (which will be a trifle tricky when a large chunk of existing teachers lose that part of their title).
  
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  April 14, 2018 8:01pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    It’s on his Facebook page. If you search Mark Mitchell MP you can see his post
    
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    April 14, 2018 8:07pm
    - itstricky
      
      “It’s on Facebook, so it must be true”
      
      Something doesn’t quite sit right with that.
      
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      April 14, 2018 8:26pm
- Piniwi
  
  Sure SR but it is a essential that they all get indoctrinated in all those PC criteria and native knowledge to endure achievement stay suppressed.
  
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